1 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,400 Hello and welcome to the Weekly Scroll Podcast. 2 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,480 My name is Ryan. Real quick, here's a volume 3 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,760 warning. And where is my fucking lamb 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,000 sauce? There we go. 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,080 And, and today we're joined by a very special guest. 6 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,920 It is mall. How are you doing today Mall? 7 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,880 Hello, thank you for having me. I'm doing great. 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Yeah, absolutely. Got to see them all recently at 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,680 Gen. Con. 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,200 We'll talk about that here in a little bit. 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,680 But for those watching who might be unfortunate enough not to 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,000 know who you are, who the heck are you? 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:45,480 What? What? 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,160 Why, why, why are you here with us today? 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm just a little guy, you know? I'm just kidding. 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,200 Hanging out, you know, Thought it'd be fun just to come and 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,360 have a little look. No, seriously, I'm Mole. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:02,240 I go by Molamute Online. I am a artist, a TTRPG designer 19 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,760 person. I'm trying to become more 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,720 confident and comfortable with saying those things I hate. 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:09,920 That's one of my things right there. 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,400 Hell yeah. I also do marketing and events 23 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,640 for and that's another one of my things. 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,840 You guys so prepared I'd. Love that one. 25 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,240 I do marketing events for some of it, publishing, who you may 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,120 have probably heard of if you've seen me at one of their 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,840 convention stands. Say hi, you know, Yeah. 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,880 And I did because I I we both recently were at Gen. 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,000 Con where I was helping out this whole Muppet booth for a couple 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,840 hours every day, which was fun. And I think we've talked about 31 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 this before. I don't know, 100 have we is so 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Muppet. The games we reviewed the most, 33 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,520 Maybe world champ. It's between those two. 34 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:53,960 Those are the top 2 at. Least we've got to get our 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,720 numbers up, apparently. And hey, listen well, I don't 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,120 think you have to release more games. 37 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:00,920 I think we've reviewed everything at this point. 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Inevitable and the loss and the damned, I think, are the only 39 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:06,720 two that we haven't. Everything else. 40 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,520 Everything else, yeah, I, my, my 3 copies are just off screen on 41 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,520 the sole Muppet shelf right here that I'm going to shelf. 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,720 I got I had to get all sole Muppet. 43 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,560 You know they put special covers for everything so I have to get. 44 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,480 All the one. Yeah, I think your sole Muppet 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,080 shelf actually looks better than mine, which is kind of 46 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,280 terrifying as their marketing manager, you know? 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,840 Yeah, I. He's re shelved everything like 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,760 8 times so you know. Not everything 'cause I still 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,280 got like 10 stacks in my living room on the floor that I've been 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,240 there for. Like the? 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Entire time I've been in this apartment, which is well over 2 52 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,240 years at this point so it's eventually I hope to get 53 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:59,760 everything up off the floor but you know we'll see let's. 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,160 Yeah, floor books are the way to go. 55 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,360 I mean, got to have those doom piles. 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:09,040 That's where the ADHD is, right? I can actually, let's see, Boom, 57 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,120 I'll throw my shelf up onto the screen real quick. 58 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,240 I love these shelf picks. Look at, look at, look at that. 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,040 That is, that's what's behind me. 60 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,160 So you guys can all see the the fancy soul Muppet shelf back 61 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,080 there. It's the funniest thing when I 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,400 sent this in the group chat and Zach was like, what's that blue 63 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,040 and orange box? I'm like, it's a blue and orange 64 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:35,000 box. No, but yeah, so saw a Muppet. 65 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,800 That is what you do. That is what's going on. 66 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,160 We did go to Gen. Con. 67 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Was that your first Gen. Con? 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:41,440 That was, yeah, it was my first Gen. 69 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,800 Con. It was insane. 70 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:47,480 I'd kind of been like, Oh yeah, it's a super big convention. 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,240 You know, we have those in the UK. 72 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,760 It's it's fine. And then the, you know, the 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Thursday and the Friday, I was like, yeah, this is this is 74 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,040 cool. And then I actually managed to 75 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,880 walk around at one point and I was like, oh, this is insane. 76 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,840 There is just so much going on, not just in the convention hall, 77 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,480 but also like in the freaking is it Oil Stadium or something? 78 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,680 I was just like that. I can't. 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,320 It's the Indianapolis Colts football stadium, Lucas Oil 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,000 Stadium. That's right, next. 81 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,160 To the Yeah, it's right next to the Convention Center. 82 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,320 Yeah, and the hotels? And the hotels, it's it's 83 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,680 ridiculous. I was always told that gin Con 84 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,640 was big. I was, I had never understood 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,840 that. It was literally the entire 86 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:32,880 massive Convention Center, all of the hotels and an entire 87 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,760 freaking football stadium, including all like the floors 88 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,280 beneath it where they were doing like LARP dungeons and shit. 89 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,080 It was too big. After the first day where I kind 90 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,840 of looked around a little bit, I was like, Nope, I'm going to 91 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:45,720 find the door that is closest to the exhibitor hall and I'm going 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,080 to walk from that door to the exhibitor hall and out every day 93 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:49,200 and that's it. I'm not. 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,760 I didn't even, I didn't go to the stadium. 95 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,600 I didn't do any of it. I'm like I'm it's and I slept in 96 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,320 every day. Yeah, I mean, and like, I think 97 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:01,160 this is such a weird thing, but as like at UK conventions, there 98 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,640 are quite a lot of, like, you know, there's always the 99 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,400 emergency exits in your convention centre when you go to 100 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,760 Auk Con, there are like security guards on everyone. 101 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,360 So if you need a 5 minute break outside, you can just go, hey 102 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,480 dude, how's it going? I'm an exhibitor. 103 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Let me pop outside. You cannot do that at Gen. 104 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,840 Con, right? If you want to leave and like, 105 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:20,880 have some fresh air, you got to go all the way outside. 106 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,360 And that was weirdly, like, confusing to me. 107 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 I was like, but I just just want to pop outside and breathe for 5 108 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:28,880 minutes. But yeah. 109 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Yeah, no. Well, what's crazy is anytime 110 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,840 you even would step outside, there's like 1000 people just 111 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:38,880 like hanging out right outside. If you actually want to get 112 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,520 away, you have to walk like literally blocks away to really 113 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,040 not feel like you're still in a con. 114 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:48,200 Which have you been to? Have you ever been to other 115 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,960 conventions in in the US or obviously been to some in the 116 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,880 UK? Only packs, but not as an 117 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:55,840 exhibitor. We just went and had like a look 118 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,240 around to see if we could maybe go this year. 119 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,200 But yeah, so I saw. You all in person. 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,520 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah, I personally I like 121 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,800 packs a lot better, which everyone told me I would, and 122 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,720 they were completely right. I'm glad I did Gen. 123 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,400 Con once but I don't know if I would do it again. 124 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,160 How did you feel about like the crowd edge and con? 125 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,960 Like the like the vibe of what they were looking for. 126 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,600 It was really interesting. I think that I really expected 127 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,520 more. Again, I'm not sure if it's we 128 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,600 were in a bit of an odd position, but I thought that 129 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,600 there would be more people eager for TTRPGS and wanting to stop 130 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,960 by. I maybe because of the way we 131 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,840 positioned. Maybe we're a semi popular 132 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:46,640 company already and a lot of people have our books, but I 133 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:51,560 think there is this real growing space of TTRP GS as a lifestyle, 134 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,520 right? And folks are kind of here just 135 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:58,200 for like play games and hang out with friends, which is totally 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,840 fine. Or, you know, to buy that 137 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:06,960 branded mugs. The the convention culture is 138 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,800 really different to the than it is to the UK. 139 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,400 From what I've seen, at least the UK convention culture 140 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 doesn't have as much gameplay happening, right. 141 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Whereas at Gencon, every single hotel room and every single 142 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,560 outside space were filled with tables of people playing Rocket 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,240 Games. And that was nuts to me. 144 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Yeah. I mean, I got to play a little 145 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:34,560 bit in in the hotel lobby at after a day once, but yeah, they 146 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,520 had huge sections of people playing all the time. 147 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,520 It was definitely, I felt as though that it was definitely 148 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,160 different than packs because we we know we actually worked 149 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,280 packs. And so the people that were 150 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,440 coming up to the world champ booth or the versus at packs 151 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,120 versus the people that were coming up to the Sol moped 152 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,520 booth, and they seem like a very different group of people. 153 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,280 Like I can't count the number of times people walked up to us at 154 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,400 Gen. Con and we're like, so are these 155 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:01,880 novels. And it's like, no, no, no, 156 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,840 they're tabletop role-playing games where at packs every 157 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 single person rolling up was it's it's tabletop role-playing 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,160 games. So I felt like PAX is very much 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,040 like ATTRPG convention that also had some like board games and 160 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:16,840 card games. And Gen. 161 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,680 Con to me really felt like it was a almost more like a board 162 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,600 game and card game convention that had some TTRPGS outside of, 163 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,960 like you said, just the mass number of games that were being 164 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:26,640 played. So it was a very interesting 165 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,880 group. Can I ask a question? 166 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,800 No. OK. 167 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,159 Go away were. There a lot of booths selling 168 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:39,760 novels because like in my mind I find that as a weird question at 169 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,720 the gaming convention of anytime. 170 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,920 So I think that this is literally what I was about to 171 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,200 say. We were there was a writer's 172 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,880 block. I think now you guys called it 173 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,600 like, not you guys. Gen. 174 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,080 Con called it authors Ally, I think 'cause I remember being 175 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,480 annoyed that the author was spelled wrong. 176 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,520 No OUR. It's just, don't even get me 177 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:04,200 started. It's fine. 178 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:10,160 And so I maybe that was why, because we weren't too far away 179 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,680 from that bit, right? There was like Authors Ave. and 180 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:16,680 then there was a bit of Artist Alley and then there was like it 181 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:18,800 just kind of continued into regular con. 182 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,800 But yeah, it was really, really fascinating because that's not a 183 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,560 question I was expecting at that convention. 184 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,520 So yeah, who knows? Yeah, yeah. 185 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,400 I mean, it's also because all of your books are gorgeous. 186 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,120 They don't have, you know, like D&D covers. 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,680 You don't see A5 adventures back-to-back with like a dragon 188 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,320 behind them. You know, when you look at 189 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,600 orbital Blues, like I can absolutely see someone being 190 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,080 like, oh, that looks like a cool sci-fi book, You know what I 191 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,920 mean? It has kind of a novel esque 192 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,720 kind of cover to it. Inevitable a little bit 193 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:58,720 different, especially with like the, the, the pages open, you 194 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,000 know, to, to the art and the words inside. 195 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,280 But to an extent I can see if people first first looked at 196 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:09,200 that or, or even Amy Allen's books, you know, I can see why 197 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,960 someone might have thought maybe those were were a little bit 198 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,120 fiction. But you know, I mean, I think 199 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,880 the longest line I saw for that entire convention, no matter 200 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,480 what, was like the doomsling line that was wrapped around 201 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,720 half the convention the entire friggin time. 202 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,040 But you know, again, that was kind of in a big like card game, 203 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,360 board game section. But I don't know, it was fun, it 204 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,760 was interesting. It was way too big. 205 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,680 Like I said, if I do it again, I would do it in a fairly 206 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:39,240 different way. And, and the last thing I'll say 207 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,600 about it was damn, Indianapolis was so nice. 208 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,600 Like I can't get over because I've, I've lived in LA, I've 209 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,880 lived in Philadelphia, I've lived in a lot of big cities. 210 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,640 I don't know how big cities are in Europe or in the UK, but they 211 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,160 all smell like piss and there's garbage everywhere. 212 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,840 In Indianapolis was beautiful. Like it was spotless. 213 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,720 The architecture was great. It was like a city, but it was 214 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,640 like the architecture was, was gorgeous. 215 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,560 And I would say that to the Uber drivers every time I hopped in. 216 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:09,880 And they're like, yeah, there's literally a team of people the 217 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,000 city hires to just go around cleaning the city the entire 218 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,120 time. And I'm like, I don't understand 219 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,520 why every place doesn't do it. But I thought I just. 220 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,200 I was shocked at how just how nice Indianapolis was. 221 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Good job, Indy. Yeah. 222 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:22,360 Well done, Indy. Yeah. 223 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:27,640 So we're talking about serving up disaster. 224 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,480 But prior to that, this is the project that you have currently 225 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,600 running on Kickstarter right now. 226 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,640 You have done a couple of other things, things that we kind of 227 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,520 like showed up on screen. So I guess not not going all the 228 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,920 way back to like, so tell me about your childhood, but like 229 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,400 what kind of got you into into TTRBGS kind of to begin with? 230 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,880 And then what got you from you know what? 231 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:51,920 What Connor held up to to serving up disaster. 232 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:57,520 So I think like most people I started with D&D, but my actual 233 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:04,360 first introduction was trying to run a campaign of 3.5 and 234 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:10,200 downloading APDF of some, you know, dodgy website probably. 235 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:13,600 And just being like, I do not understand what's happening 236 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,000 here. And my friends are coming over 237 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,200 in half an hour and I said I was going to run this game, fuck it, 238 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,720 I'll just make my own thing, right? 239 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,280 And I quite enjoy that, that my first interaction with 240 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,760 role-playing games was, I'm just going to make my own rules. 241 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,200 It'll be fine. You know, Played a lot of 5th 242 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,240 edition after that, kind of got bit more into it. 243 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:41,080 And then there's a couple of, like, little indie game stores 244 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,120 here in the UK. And my partner and I just went 245 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,720 into one, one time, I think, to look for a 5th edition book. 246 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,560 And there were just this thing called Other games. 247 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,920 And we were like, whoa, what is happening? 248 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,840 Why are these so cool? And yeah. 249 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,520 And it just kind of like spiralled from there. 250 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:04,880 I just started kind of linking my art with my games. 251 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,040 So I wrote a little kind of weird little goblins Zine, which 252 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,440 is just use some dice, generate A goblin. 253 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,800 And yeah, it's just kind of spiraled from there, to be 254 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,080 honest. Yeah, I don't know if. 255 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Let's see if I got one of those to hand. 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,880 What? Excuse me? 257 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,880 It's probably not going to show up on my terrible, terrible 258 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:25,960 screen. There we go. 259 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,560 Oh cool. Just weird little goblins. 260 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,040 Roll up the weird little goblins for me. 261 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,040 Yeah, you want. You want a weird little goblin? 262 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,200 Yeah, roll up. Yeah, right. 263 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,160 Roll a weird little goblin. We'll call it a weakly scroll 264 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,240 Goblin. Weakly scroll goblin incoming. 265 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,960 Give me a number between 1 and 20 my friend. 11. 11 Your 266 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,280 goblin's name is Burp. Perfect. 267 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:58,400 And then a number between 1:00 and 12:00 please. 9 Was that A9? 268 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,360 Yes. Your goblin has webbed feet, 269 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:08,480 Nick, and then a number between 1:00 and 10:00. 5. 270 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:18,360 They fight with a meaty stick between 1:00 and 8:00 3/3. 271 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,240 They're very combustible. Perfect. 272 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,240 Combustible I get. It right there, very combustible 273 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,880 and then a number between 1:00 and 6:00. 4. 274 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,160 The war machine of this goblin band is the poop tube. 275 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,680 I wish it was more sophisticated than it sounds. 276 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,360 And who do they serve? Finally, a number between 1:00 277 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,400 and 4:00. A2. 278 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,720 A2 The Doom Shrieker. This goblin saw the future once 279 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:51,760 and now screams the coming of death. 280 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,280 There you go. Hell yeah. 281 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,400 That's awesome. That's awesome. 282 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,800 That's that, that is like, that's an NPC right there. 283 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:03,760 Exactly. And and an encounter. 284 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,200 That's like, that's like my favorite kind of little 285 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,960 peripheral to get, you know, I mean like something like funny 286 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,000 like that where you just, it does a thing and it's, it's 287 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,800 interesting and you can drop it into stuff. 288 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Yeah. And then I have, I have. 289 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 What is this? A dungeon for ants? 290 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,080 Yes, by Malamute and it's this. Tiny. 291 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,880 Little thing that I got. From tiniest, tiniest scene, 292 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,000 yeah. Which is, which is wonderful. 293 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,920 This sits here on my desk with me. 294 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,960 And then we have Serving Up Disaster. 295 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,920 So yeah, what is what is Serving up disaster? 296 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,560 What is? So this is a project you 297 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,800 currently have on Kickstarter. And what is what is the pitch 298 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,320 for them? I mean, the pitch in the 299 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,760 shortest thing possible is it's a TTRPG of Kitchen Nightmares. 300 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,520 I kind of boiled it down to two questions when pitching its 301 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,280 people at Gen. Con. 302 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,920 The first question is, do you know Kitchen Nightmares with 303 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,640 Gordon Ramsay? And then do you like playing 304 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,720 role-playing games? What if we made them kiss? 305 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,880 And that's pretty much it. Your GM is Gordon Ramsay. 306 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,160 Because what is more like a frustrated GM than Gordon Ramsay 307 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,560 walking into an absolutely collapsing restaurant? 308 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,960 And what is more like a a player than causing as much chaos as 309 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,080 you can to frustrate your GM? Yeah, so it kind of spawned from 310 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,840 my absolute obsession. Love Hyper Focus with Kitchen 311 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,440 Nightmares. I am not going to say how many 312 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,680 times I've watched each episode because that would be. 313 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 Wow dude, you, you were among friends. 314 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,400 Too many. It's free on YouTube, so like 315 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:50,720 it's. Something exactly he's. 316 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Playing at my place like there's no one even in the room it'll be 317 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,960 playing it's. Just there. 318 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,600 Yeah. It's just good, easy watching. 319 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,880 And it's to be clear, it's a terrible show and that is why I 320 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,760 love it. It's so bad. 321 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,040 And the UK version? Forget it, I'm not interested. 322 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:11,680 He's too nice. There's no booming sound effects 323 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:15,079 constantly. I need to be over stimulated 324 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,440 constantly. You know, by the brown. 325 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,200 It is interesting how civilized the UK version. 326 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,000 I watch this episode. Oh, these are nice. 327 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,720 This is. Yeah, you know. 328 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,960 You know, they the, the kitchen standards aren't too bad, they 329 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,880 just make some questionable decisions and maybe the guy is a 330 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,800 bit of an asshole, but like, it'll be OK. 331 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,960 No, I'm not here for that. I need Gordon Ramsay looking 332 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:46,280 directly into the camera as he squeezes a four week old radish 333 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:47,000 or something. Who's? 334 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,920 In Gordon Where's Gordon Ramsay from? 335 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,080 He is British. So is he? 336 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:57,320 Does he host the British version? 337 00:17:57,880 --> 00:17:59,320 He does, yeah. Yeah, OK. 338 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,680 All right. So the British guy host both 339 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,200 the, yeah, the American and British version. 340 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,240 He he gets to do both of them. He's still very blunt. 341 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,000 He's just plus yelly, you know? I'm about to probably get shot 342 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,720 because he is actually Scottish. I would say I thought he was. 343 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,000 I did not think he was British, I thought he was Scottish, but 344 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:16,520 whatever. I. 345 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,720 Well, I mean, technically isn't Scottish British? 346 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,800 Well, no, it's part of the UK. Don't say that. 347 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,720 Don't, don't. I'm gonna. 348 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,360 I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. 349 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,280 Stop now. No, I'm gonna ask because I need 350 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,120 to know. So the UK is the entire United 351 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:39,920 Kingdom which includes all of the island and Northern Ireland. 352 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,960 Isn't Great Britain the island which includes Scotland, Wales 353 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,560 and England? So aren't technically any 354 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Ireland British? You know Welshman. 355 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,480 Either. They're not English, I mean, 356 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,880 they're. Welsh too, by the Scots built 357 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,440 Patriots Wall and you know what? Fair for them, you know. 358 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:03,760 Hey listen, I mean, we all know how everyone in the world feels 359 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,800 about England, so. That we you love us and that we 360 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,600 always give back the things that we have borrowed for a short 361 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,800 period of time and it. Is funny to say that as an 362 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,080 American, you know, like criticize another country. 363 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,080 We fought a war about it, you know, That's all I'm saying. 364 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:24,640 You. Guys did one thing right and 365 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,440 that was to leave us behind, you know, there we go. 366 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,200 But downhill. Anyway, not to not to insult any 367 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:39,040 of the Scots or Welsh or or or anybody, but maybe I, I, I 368 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,680 always thought that anyone that's on the island was 369 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 British, but I'll not say that again out loud. 370 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,800 Anyway, kitchen nightmares. I'm not a big I was never big 371 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,640 kitchen. I was I think I was leaned more 372 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,080 into desserts instead of the food. 373 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:55,600 So I watched a lot of great British Bake Off all of the like 374 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,400 cupcake in an hour things. The only real like food show I 375 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:05,480 watched way too much of was. Guy Fieri he has not like diner 376 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:07,600 jugs and the dives is great, but the show he did where it's 377 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,560 basically like Supermarket Sweep plus the kitchen stuff, I can't 378 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,000 remember. That's when I watched a ton. 379 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,360 But obviously we've all seen Gordon Ramsay do the Gordon 380 00:20:17,360 --> 00:20:18,800 Ramsay thing for a very long time. 381 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,640 And also, I hate to be that guy but guy also says this as well. 382 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:30,320 It's Fieri. Yeah. 383 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,960 Now we're all in trouble. Wasn't there somebody at Gen. 384 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,000 Con that was just as Guy Fairy and. 385 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,720 It was like, yeah. Like a fairy. 386 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,040 Yeah, it was a fairy. They had like the the, you know, 387 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,600 the the spike tips and everything. 388 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:50,080 But anyway, OK, so for those that maybe haven't watched a lot 389 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:55,920 of Gordon Ramsay, what does that mean in making that a tea to 390 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,960 RPG? So yeah, again, I think it kind 391 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,400 of comes back to this. It's all about honestly, it's 392 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,880 all about annoying your GMA little bit, right, and causing 393 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,840 as much chaos as possible to try and kind of build up towards 394 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,520 this final big resolution where you desperately try and save the 395 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,440 restaurant. It's actually again, so if 396 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,880 you're more into the TTRPG side rather than the Gordon Ramsay 397 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,640 side, if you know Brindlewood Bay, it is genuinely A twist on 398 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,800 those mechanics and that throws people a little bit because 399 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,040 they're like, how are you doing a non mystery game with 400 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,960 Brindlewood Bay? I'm like, well, it's kind of 401 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,760 like you're still solving a problem, right? 402 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:40,920 You're still figuring out different things that have gone 403 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,960 wrong with this place. And at the end coming together, 404 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,040 going through how you solved the issue and having a big 405 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,160 resolution that kind of read the relaunch night. 406 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,600 So yeah, it's I think it's one of those things that's a really 407 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,400 interesting twist that I don't think I've seen people do with 408 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,680 Brendawood. Brendawood has been used a lot 409 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,400 for mystery games and a lot for kind of weird spooky stuff. 410 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800 But yes, it's A twist I've never. 411 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,320 It's interesting. Brendawood Bay is interesting 412 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,000 because I think a lot of people would also ask how do you do a 413 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000 mystery of Brendawood Bay? Because for those who know the 414 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,480 mechanics of Brendawood Bay, you know, you know what I'm saying? 415 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:24,080 So I it's interesting is that you use that because it makes a 416 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,400 lot of sense to be like, well, the end is kind of what you make 417 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,600 of it of what you kind of did along the way. 418 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,160 And using that as like the mechanic to do kind of like the 419 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,640 relaunch and everything is fantastic. 420 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,000 I think that's such a great system to convert to exactly 421 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:42,120 what you're doing here. And so mechanically, when you're 422 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:47,200 actually playing the game, what and what does that look like? 423 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:55,480 So as you all basically, there is a set of, it's a basically a 424 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,240 session cycle structure because every episode of Kitchen 425 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,560 Nightmares literally follows the same structure you are going 426 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,880 through piece by piece. You know, the introduction, 427 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,720 chef's trying the food, he's watching, you do service, he's 428 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,880 refurbishing the restaurant, and then you finally have a 429 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,760 relaunch. Whenever characters are trying 430 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,560 to show chef something or do something that is called the 431 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,920 surface move, it's kind of a 2D6 and you're adding one of three 432 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:29,080 stats, either communication, control or cookery. 433 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,080 Chefs are starting with, I'm sorry, characters start with 434 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,520 negatives to these stats, and over the course of the session, 435 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,000 they're given opportunities to improve it by working with chef. 436 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,400 When chef looks for a problem within the restaurant, that is 437 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,400 called revealing problems. If you know Brindlewood, this is 438 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,360 kind of like looking for clues. So yeah, so this is something 439 00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:01,200 that Chef, the GM, is rolling for and is influenced by how 440 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,880 awful the rest of the table, the rest of the characters are 441 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,160 doing, right, how they're being affected by it. 442 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920 It's a a really interesting way to do it. 443 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,800 I think that this kind of like back and forth between players 444 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,520 wanting to get themselves into worse situations so that Chef 445 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:25,320 can find more problems, so that Chef wants to help them improve 446 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,800 so that at the end they're better at solving the issue. 447 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,400 It's it's a kind of weird back and forth, but I think it's 448 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,480 really interesting. Yeah, I mean, and it's a great 449 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,280 inspiration for our tabletop role-playing game. 450 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,600 I mean it like, and you can see how it can be gamified. 451 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,360 I'm almost surprised this hasn't something like this hasn't been 452 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,200 done already. Like I'm shocked there's not 453 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,000 more like Food Network tabletop role-playing games. 454 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,360 Maybe this will spawn, you know, a glut of them going forward. 455 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,360 Yeah, I'm already inspired to do so many other terrible reality 456 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:02,720 TV shows as well in this kind of like same structure every 457 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,440 session, new characters desperately trying to kind of 458 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,760 like this. Will eventually branch off into 459 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920 like those weird, like, romance reality TV shows and we'll have 460 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,160 like, The Bachelorette tabletop RPG and like, Love Island, yeah. 461 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,160 I've already been talking about did you guys ever watch Catfish? 462 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,440 Yeah, I think that would be a fun. 463 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,240 That would be fun because you could actually like make your 464 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,520 character and then decide in character generation whether 465 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,800 they're real or like a catfish and get the role play the 466 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,080 catfish. That's fantastic. 467 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,080 I really want to get like a hack of this for Bar Rescue. 468 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,440 That's one that I've seen a lot more because people that work on 469 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,000 the TV all the time, it's basically the same thing, the 470 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,240 worst. Human to ever walk the earth. 471 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,680 He's just a more annoying, more scripted Gordon Ramsay for bars 472 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,360 like that. He's also he's also like a weird 473 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:50,200 far. Right, like capitalist so. 474 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,760 Yeah, well, I mean. Just a character, you know, 475 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,520 You've got a twist on it a little bit, you know? 476 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,560 Yeah. One thing I do want to talk 477 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,280 about is my goodness, the graphic design in this. 478 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,880 Now, who did this beautiful graphic design? 479 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,560 That would be me. So for those that aren't in in 480 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,840 in podcast land, and if you're on Spotify, you can watch the 481 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,760 videos now too. It like it clearly, obviously 482 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,320 inspired by, you know, restaurant menus and things all 483 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:20,920 the way through, even to the point where there's like grease 484 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,920 stains on on a bunch of the pages and stuff. 485 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,560 It's gorgeous all the way through. 486 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,720 How? What? 487 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,120 Cuz I saw this when it was very like light blue a while ago. 488 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,720 What? At what point were you just 489 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,960 like, duh, menus like, you know, how did that come about? 490 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,520 So I knew that I always wanted to have that kind of menu 491 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,200 design. So you're talking about the kind 492 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,360 of the original Ashcan version that has been out Pay what you 493 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,840 want on Itch for about a year now. 494 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,240 The light blue you're referencing, I have been kind of 495 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,320 calling Channel 4 blue. That will again mean nothing to 496 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,360 the Americans in the chat, but every British person just went, 497 00:26:58,360 --> 00:26:59,440 Oh yeah, I know the blue you mean. 498 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:06,160 And even if you look at that, it's kind of laid out like a 499 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,400 very basic menu. It's very structured in certain 500 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,120 ways and very much pulling from that inspiration. 501 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,480 I then and I'm going to upset a loss of layout people in the 502 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:25,800 chat right now. I then discovered Canva and I 503 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,320 would not recommend using Canva to layout anything bigger than 504 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:36,400 maybe 30 pages. And again, I recommend it for 505 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:42,480 this type of layout and probably nothing else because they've got 506 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,880 so many kind of like inspirations that you can pull 507 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,800 from. A lot of this layout is me 508 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:52,840 going, oh, it's a kind of terrible diner menu here. 509 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,320 Let me just like grab that, utilize the colors or the font 510 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,840 styling or the kind of the way it's laid out. 511 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,440 And by the end of it, it looks nothing like the original, but 512 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:09,520 it's a good jumping off point. It honestly started as me kind 513 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:13,120 of going, I'm going to like try and lay out a couple of pages so 514 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:17,000 that when I hire somebody, maybe I kind of have some inspiration 515 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,600 for them. I then maybe hyper focused over 516 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,480 the course of like 4 days and then the thing was done and I 517 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200 was like, oh that happened again. 518 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,160 Don't recommend that. Please make sure. 519 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,880 Every single thing that on our show is done in Canva, every 520 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 single layout, every single overlay, everything for small 521 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,520 stuff exactly as you're talking about it is incredible. 522 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,720 And the number of templates and things that are available, like 523 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,600 you said, is great. But even just the ease of moving 524 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,000 stuff about, like it's it's so much easier than Illustrator or, 525 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640 or, you know, whatever Affinity's version of it or 526 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,160 whatever, because you don't have to learn new tools. 527 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,360 It just does whatever you want it to do. 528 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Like if you want it here, you just put it there. 529 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,440 And if you want to drag it, you just drag it and then like it's 530 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,440 fine. So yeah, for small stuff, it's 531 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,600 great. And again, the overlay that 532 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000 you're all looking at right now can the babies. 533 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,200 So you're definitely not the win US over her Canva. 534 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,080 Yeah, but it looks fantastic. Like it looks really great. 535 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,840 It does look really good. It's really fun to go through. 536 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,520 Like, I love, I love the little food caricatures too. 537 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600 Like, I love how I love how distressed they all clearly are, 538 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,400 you know? This is the other thing, like I 539 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,240 just pulled so much of that just straight from Canva. 540 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,440 And again, Canva has an open license for a lot of their 541 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,440 images. In fact, I think all of them. 542 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,080 And so you can, as long as you're kind of like not just 543 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,440 straight up pasting it on a mug, you can mix and match. 544 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000 And so much of it has just been pulled straight there. 545 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,240 That's so funny. A couple of them I have like 546 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,160 slightly edited. So I believe on page 11, if you 547 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,160 have it open, there is a very sad looking chef holding a moldy 548 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,120 piece of bread. He was originally a very happy 549 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600 chef. And you know, I've flipped his 550 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,960 mouth upside down, flipped his eyes a little bit, given in my 551 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,720 hand and make them hold some moldy bread. 552 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,920 So sorry chef, but you know it needed to be done. 553 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680 Mom, I think my favorite character without the entire 554 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:22,080 thing is the bird on page 7. Or smile thumbs up. 555 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,760 And then the thought bubble is I hate working here. 556 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,960 If you've ever worked in service, you know those ones, 557 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:28,680 yeah. Totally. 558 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,120 Oh. Yeah. 559 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,200 Oh yeah, I have I. Have both served and worked in 560 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:37,560 the kitchen so yeah, definitely I I relate to this heavily. 561 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,600 Yeah, definitely did my share of of restaurants. 562 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,240 My group at home right now, all of them worked in the kitchen 563 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,160 together. I haven't worked with them, so 564 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,360 this will be a funny one to bring to the table with them 565 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,240 because they all worked in like a kind of shitty kitchen. 566 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,280 So we'll have like nom style flashbacks, you know? 567 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Yeah, I mean, another big, I think a big reason why I love 568 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,840 Kitchen Nightmares so much is that I used to come home from a 569 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,160 shitty service job and I used to pop it on the TV and I used to 570 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,120 just watch 4 episodes and by the end I was going maybe, maybe my 571 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,520 job isn't so bad, I can go in again tomorrow, you know, it'll 572 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,080 be all right. That's crazy because I used to 573 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,480 do the same thing but sometimes I'd be like Oh my God that's 574 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,160 actually worse at my job for a couple. 575 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,000 I don't remember what my what my post. 576 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,480 I think I watched a lot of Reno 911 like binging after like work 577 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,520 in school and stuff. I think that was one of my go 578 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:44,280 TOS, but but yeah, I mean, and what's great too is throughout 579 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,920 the layout is all the different types of menus too, because you 580 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400 can literally see breakfast menus in here. 581 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,960 You can see lunch menus in here. You can see dinner menus when 582 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,320 you get like towards the back and stuff. 583 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,320 It's just it's it's great. And I'm really glad that it 584 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,560 switches up like that. You didn't just go with like 585 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:01,680 let's go breakfast menu the whole way through and keep it 586 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,880 kind of like dinery looking. It's it's, it runs a gamut of 587 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,000 everything and it really keeps the entire thing feeling like 588 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,080 fresh and interesting every time you switch into a new the news 589 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,720 section. And so this PDF that we have, 590 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,960 the preview PDF is clocking in at about 30 ish pages. 591 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,560 Is that before stretch goals and stuff? 592 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,240 Is that most of what is that most of the book done? 593 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,920 So yeah, that is apart from stretch goals, that is the book 594 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,880 finished. It is going to be a quite small 595 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,640 Zine. I believe it is the Yeah, I 596 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400 think you're right. I think it's 32 pages question 597 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,720 mark. Something divisible by 4. 598 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,480 Yeah, yeah, Whichever one it is, I, I know, I know my printing 599 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,120 that's been drilled into me from working at some of it. 600 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,960 But yeah, so I've got a couple of stretch rolls to add on to 601 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,720 it. That is, they bring up my. 602 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,720 Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. 603 00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,520 Well, let's, let's just hop over to let's hop over to the 604 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,320 Kickstarter page and we can, we can kind of talk about that from 605 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,640 the start. Let me see, do I did I pull the 606 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,040 window up? I did. 607 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,960 So you funded already? You funded day one because, yes, 608 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,160 you for some reason chose to launch it while we were at Gen. 609 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:20,720 Con so that you could both be working and be like freaking out 610 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,400 about it at the same time. So I was very glad that it 611 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,800 funded immediately and that was great to see. 612 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,760 Yeah, I said to people before I went, I was like, this is either 613 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,920 going to be the best idea I've ever had or the worst idea, and 614 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,640 we won't know until the end. I think it was a good idea. 615 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,240 I'm going to. I'm going to stand by it. 616 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,800 It was a nice distraction. It was also nice to be 617 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,840 distracted so I didn't constantly watch it, and it was 618 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,920 nice to be able to tell people about it while I was there and 619 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,880 be like, hey, I am literally crowdfunding this right now, you 620 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,640 can go and check it out. Yeah, cuz you had little Flyers 621 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,520 that you were like hanging out and talking to people about, 622 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,520 which was again, I mean, what better way to market it than 623 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,840 learning out of convention? Very good idea. 624 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,800 Yeah, QR code and everything on it. 625 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,560 Yeah. I think that amount of stress 626 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,400 would have been a lot for me, but you are very smart to have 627 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719 done that. Promoting an attic convention is 628 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,440 a great idea and obviously you totally smashed your goal. 629 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,400 Yeah, it's done a lot better than I expected. 630 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,000 I mean, I've had to add some some extra stretch goals because 631 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,800 I didn't think it would push. Nice. 632 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,560 That's a solid problem to have, though. 633 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:35,159 You know you're cool is what I'm going to speak in USD about $673 634 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,639 and you're currently about about 3500. 635 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Which is £500 and you're just over 2500 lbs. 636 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,000 Which did unlock another Kickstarter. 637 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,159 So from the top though, when when people come over here and 638 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,239 back it, if they haven't already, what can people get 639 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:54,800 when they back? So you can, I'm going to speak 640 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680 in pounds and you guys can try that. 641 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,120 So the lowest tier 10 lbs that is a digital PDF copy. 642 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,480 You just you get the PDF. Any kind of digital stretch 643 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,480 goals that I add on, for example, I'll be adding some pre 644 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,560 generated characters and restaurants that you can play. 645 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,360 I'm going to be adding a little kind of expansion that covers 646 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,560 one of Gordon Ramsay's other shows called Secret Service. 647 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:24,400 There will also be a digital character sheet that folks can 648 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,560 use. Then at £20 you can get a 649 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:34,520 physical copy and that kind of again comes with a saddle stitch 650 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,160 scene, a PDF copy attached that will include all of the the 651 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,880 extras. And then the top tier at 40, you 652 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:49,000 will also get a paper chef toke, which is the little white hats 653 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 that you can get. So your chef can put that on and 654 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,600 go ahead and wear it. I also managed to unlock AGM 655 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,080 screen, which is going to be kind of like a literally I'm 656 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,200 going to use a menu print and it's just going to be that kind 657 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,600 of like 3 or 4 fold pull out that you can put that in front 658 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,840 of you with just some quick, quick reference rules. 659 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,560 That's also available as an add on if you're kind of at the 660 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,720 lower tier. Yeah. 661 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,360 So I'm kind of trying to keep it relatively simple. 662 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,160 There is it is just the scene and a couple of add-ons and 663 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,840 nobody told me not to do the paper hat. 664 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,200 And so now we have the paper toke. 665 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,520 I warned people. Funny because I backed it. 666 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,520 I was with you, but I was also gonna back it anyway. 667 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,040 But I got the e-mail jumped on was like, what's the highest 668 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,720 click it. And then I remember later going 669 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,720 back to him be like, okay, So what did I actually get? 670 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:47,640 And looking at you going, what's a toke? 671 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:48,800 And you're like, it's a chef sat. 672 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:54,400 I'm like dope, I'm getting a chef sat all right, but but 673 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,440 yeah, so you you I have the stretch goal thing up here. 674 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,880 You you funded, you got the GM screen digital character keeper, 675 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,040 which again is a great thing to it's nothing that's going to add 676 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,240 any, you know, extra physical stuff for you at all, which is 677 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,600 really cool. You've already passed the Secret 678 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,960 Service expansion. You've already now passed the 679 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,840 pregen staff and rest Yeah, I've just. 680 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,520 Noticed I need to actually update that I hadn't actually 681 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,640 spotted so and. Then you're going to go on to 682 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,680 solo rules, which is great because we cover solo games now 683 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:26,560 here on the show, but you still have, I mean, it's not far in. 684 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,360 You got 19 days. You are in basically 1/4 of the 685 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,680 way, no, 1/3 of the way through the project and you're already 686 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:39,640 adding on stretch goals. So, So what happens I see after 687 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,560 solo goals, it's just panic. So what happens after that? 688 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000 Is that just going to be like, are you going to keep trying to 689 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,200 add stretch goals? Are you just going to say, you 690 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,720 know what, it's successful, I get to pay some people some more 691 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,920 and then we're going to take it. Yeah. 692 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,920 So I think that the only kind of other maybe expansion I'd like 693 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640 to add is obviously I've done Secret Service, which is Gordon 694 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:03,640 Ramsay's new ridiculous show, which is he breaks in to a 695 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,840 restaurant basically with a spy on the inside. 696 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,400 And it's ridiculous. He has spy equipment. 697 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,280 And, you know, he's got the black light and the, you know, 698 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,320 the long tune. Light. 699 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,840 Oh, it's stupid. It's hot take. 700 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,920 It's not as good as I wanted it to be. 701 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,200 I wanted more spy, but it's OK. You know, I think that the fun 702 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,920 thing about that is that I'm going to have it. 703 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,600 So at the start of the game, you choose somebody to be the 704 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,920 insider who is like feeding information to Ramsay. 705 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,720 And so kind of like throughout each section of the session, 706 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,200 everyone's going to pass a note to the chef that they think, you 707 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,800 know, they think they're saying who is the insider, but the 708 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,360 insider is going to write a little kind of extra problem 709 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,280 that they can include. Yeah, cool. 710 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,760 Yeah, So kind of like a little bit Among Us esque as well, you 711 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,160 know, that kind of like emergency meeting, who's the 712 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,840 insider? I'd love to add potentially 713 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,760 doing Hotel Hell, which is his kind of, it's Kitchen Nightmares 714 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,320 in a hotel very kind of similar but maybe slightly different 715 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,520 prompts, you know, have a little bit. 716 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,800 He stays the night as well quite often. 717 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,760 So yeah, that kind of adds an extra cycle and that extra part 718 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080 of the cycle. They show up his butt a lot and 719 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,760 that. Shows up, they do I. 720 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,440 All the time like. He loves getting his ass. 721 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:35,440 Out. And like genuine like frames. 722 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:37,320 I was literally thinking should I say this? 723 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,680 I'm so glad you said it. Yeah. 724 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,480 Don't understand you guys are both talking way over my head 725 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,520 and I don't want to see go Ramsey's ass he. 726 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,000 Takes a shower in every episode of the Hotel Hell the test and 727 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,640 the showers are always like God awful or he's like 6 foot 728 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,320 something and so they're like up to like the shower heads of his 729 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,680 nipple line, but they show a shot of his fucking butt like 730 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,760 every goddamn time. But I'm not sure if it's if it's 731 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,160 Ramsey or if it's the cameraman or if it's just like. 732 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,600 Like make sure you get my ass in the shower. 733 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560 Be ridiculous. If they were like we have to 734 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,200 show Ramsey's ass every episode but then they get like a butt 735 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,200 double, that would be just. You could just choose not to 736 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,440 have a butt double because you're paying someone just to 737 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,880 show their butt. That's crazy. 738 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,240 I think it's Ramsey because like. 739 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,880 I think it's. He goes to the gym like he looks 740 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,120 like a guy who goes to the gym. Sometimes he grabs a thing with 741 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,960 I'm like that. Your arm is like you look like 742 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,080 you go to the gym, bro. So I think he's just like, I've 743 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,880 been working on my squats and I've been doing my hip thrusts. 744 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,480 So make sure you get a shot of my ass in this, you know? 745 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,960 Yeah, and also. Like the idea of Gordon Ramsay 746 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,400 just being like, I don't want to do these fucking shows anymore. 747 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,960 I'm going to do ridiculous shit, like show my ass every time, you 748 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:49,880 know what I mean? Like. 749 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520 He's like cameraman getting closer, you know? 750 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,360 58 year old ass. On screen. 751 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,160 Every time too. Funny. 752 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,400 Too funny. So basically. 753 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,760 A cultural icon by the way, that we're like, I think this game is 754 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,720 great. I think it's also like, I just 755 00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:10,560 think it's very interesting of the fact that like there is this 756 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,800 reality show start that like has been such a part of so many of 757 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,200 our like entertainment experiences. 758 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,280 Like I feel like this game is so incredibly relatable. 759 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,000 Like even if you maybe aren't like a tabletop RPG person, like 760 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,320 millions of people have watched that show and like this 761 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,920 resonates so deeply with like that experience. 762 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,440 I just, I think it's really charming. 763 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,440 Yeah, I think it kind of works quite well, right? 764 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,520 The Venn diagram, right, Of like, even if you haven't played 765 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,280 a tabletop RPGs, but you know what Kitchen Nightmares is, and 766 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,320 you'd love to be able to sit around a table with your friends 767 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,680 and make your own one. But also, if you are a fan of 768 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,000 TTRPGS that doesn't watch Kitchen Nightmares, but you 769 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,640 understand the premise or you kind of, you know, the vibe of 770 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160 what you're going for, I think that it kind of works quite 771 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,120 well, right? Because yeah, it's that kind of 772 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,920 Venn diagram, right? Yeah, absolutely. 773 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,160 You know what, you could also make a family game because there 774 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,880 is he he hosted MasterChef Junior and apparently I did 775 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,440 watch a little bit of it. He's like a fucking sweetheart 776 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,240 to the apparently to the entire time, he's like the nicest 777 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:19,880 person ever. So you can. 778 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,280 Literally split the whole thing. Yeah, Well, yeah. 779 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,800 It's it's it's mostly an act at least, but then he always he's 780 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,640 also like expects better from chefs, right. 781 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,400 So everything he says is super valid, right? 782 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480 Whenever he gets crossed with adult chefs, it's very 783 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,800 understandable. You know, he's also a guy that 784 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,720 has had a very tough upbringing, has four children, 5 I think. 785 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,320 Something like that, yeah. And you know, a wife that, you 786 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,880 know, he's very much a wife guy, and he's just a sweetheart. 787 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,640 And you kind of forget that because you only see him in this 788 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,440 expecting better from adults, right? 789 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,600 Yeah. Yeah. 790 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,800 Six children 6. Children. 791 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,520 Damn, that's why he gets his ass out all the time. 792 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,000 I just say he gets his ass out all the time. 793 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:14,320 He's got six kids. But listen, if I was a 794 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,440 bajillionaire, I would have no kids. 795 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,960 But I can see why some people would would would have a bunch, 796 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,400 I guess. But but yeah, so the plan, I 797 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,080 guess so for stretch goals is to cut is potentially more 798 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,240 expansions. That's kind of the idea is to 799 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,760 just more writing. Is it? 800 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:33,880 Would it all be in the same scene? 801 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,320 Would they be digital expansions? 802 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,520 Like what? How would those come out? 803 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,120 I think it kind of depends. This is going to sound kind of 804 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,120 print heavy, but it depends how many pages they come out at. 805 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,840 I will most likely just include them in the scene because I 806 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,120 think that to have it all together is super easy. 807 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,000 It's a bit more accessible for people. 808 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,600 It's just there on the shelf. I do not want to have like extra 809 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,480 pages floating around if I can help it. 810 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,680 So yeah, but I think that's going to be a point where I'm 811 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:03,880 actually like, you know what, guys? 812 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,720 That's it. That's the game. 813 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,320 I've made it. You could. 814 00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,480 You could do that now if you wanted. 815 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,760 You don't have to scope creep yourself into. 816 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,680 Scope creep in like feature creep. 817 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,080 Do you worry about that at all with your idea? 818 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,640 Add a few more stretch goals. 100% cool I think. 819 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,960 Again, I've worked with some Muppet for nearly two years now 820 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,400 and have worked on several Kickstarters with them, and the 821 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,280 scope creep is real. There is a reason that on this 822 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,560 Kickstarter, although I would love to work with other writers, 823 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,680 there is a reason I'm not because it gets difficult, it 824 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,200 gets expensive. It gets, you know, very easy to 825 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,560 scope creep on both payment and also waiting for people or 826 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,000 relying on other people. I mean, this game is done by me. 827 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,560 Yeah, sorry. I mean, you also now have over 828 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,400 128 people on on on Kickstarter's mail letter. 829 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,600 Basically, you could always not scope creep and just for Kitchen 830 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,920 Nightmares expansion Kickstarter that's coming out next year, 831 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,480 they have a bunch of people on another Zine or another project 832 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,000 or a bundle of of menus that are all the expansions and stuff. 833 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,480 You could always just kind of push it off. 834 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,280 Obviously this one was successful. 835 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,120 And once you have a successful project, it's much more likely 836 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,360 your next project is also going to be successful, especially 837 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,880 with the way Kickstarter pushes the I mean, no matter how much 838 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,240 we all, you know, despise Kickstarter and a lot of things 839 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:35,600 that they've done, they stuff sells on Kickstarter. 840 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,280 Their their algorithm for getting people to back stuff 841 00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,600 that that have never seen the stuff before is really great. 842 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,600 You know, again, once you have one, it's always a lot easier. 843 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,120 So I mean, scope creep could always just turn into the next 844 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,840 project and I'd back that one too. 845 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,320 Thank you. I appreciate that. 846 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,200 Yeah, because again, like there is a point where it's like you 847 00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,200 have to figure out, and I'm going to get a little bit 848 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,200 numbers that numbers heavy here. You have to figure out actually 849 00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,040 how much am I making extra? Because at the end of the day, 850 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,200 if 40 people have bought the book at £20, if that's what I'm 851 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:10,920 going to be selling for, anything that I add is actually 852 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:16,440 reducing from that value for me. And for a Backus point of view, 853 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,800 they always like to be able to push forward to something. 854 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,440 There's a reason that they want to be able to like share or kind 855 00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,440 of like tell their friends or upgrade their pledge or get the 856 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,560 add-ons or whatever. But yeah, it does become a point 857 00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,120 where you have to kind of sit back and go. 858 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:34,320 If I add more and if I put 40 extra hours of work into this, 859 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,840 I'm now not making as much as I would be. 860 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:38,960 Right. Yeah. 861 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,480 Yeah, I mean, and again, you're five times funded. 862 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,200 You could just say all right, 19 days a chill and I'm good like 863 00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,560 we're already there so or or again, make more and we'll we'll 864 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,680 we'll be happy for it. So that is on Kickstarter right 865 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:55,600 now. We're going to make sure all the 866 00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,720 links to that are exactly where you think links are on the 867 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:03,760 Internet. But for yeah, the below beside 868 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,560 around in the about sections, you know, in the comments, 869 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,960 whatever and get in the comments. 870 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:13,640 But for all the rest of of your things we talked about, I assume 871 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,880 you have an itch. I do. 872 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520 I most definitely do. Do you know what your itch 873 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:20,360 address is? This is a. 874 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,240 Question I do. Oh my gosh, because it's just 875 00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:25,480 the. Same as my name molamoot dot 876 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,840 itch dot IO. That's great. 877 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,960 You would be showing the number of people who, Yeah, the number 878 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:33,960 of the show were like, So what? So what's your itch? 879 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,000 And they're like, oh, wait a minute, what is my, where's the 880 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,160 dash? Where's how many dashes do I? 881 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520 Have pulled up and say it before they actually say it so. 882 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,160 Yeah, I am literally at Malamute pretty much everywhere you'll 883 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,920 find me. So yeah, and potentially even a 884 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:56,120 little online web store coming soon maybe or at least an online 885 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:57,880 portfolio. It's something I've been putting 886 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,720 off for a long time and have really wanted to been doing 887 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,720 somewhere where I can say, hey, all of my art is in this one 888 00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,560 place, you don't have to browse my social media anymore. 889 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,680 And you know, because you're not just, you're not just a game 890 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,040 designer and layout and all those other stuff you, you do 891 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,920 are we talked about that kind of in the beginning and you are 892 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,120 accepting commissions now for. Art I am, yes. 893 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,400 I've currently got some emergency commissions open 894 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,120 actually. So if you're looking for 895 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,400 something at the moment, now is the time because I am very much 896 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,840 kind of going donate some money, ask what you want, I'll Draw 897 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,560 Something. But yeah, I usually do it a 898 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,800 little bit more structured than that. 899 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,320 But at the moment I am accepting pretty much anything. 900 00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:46,000 Not help, not hateful stuff, obviously, but yeah. 901 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,520 So just come to me with an idea, tell me your budget and I will 902 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,520 make something work. This industry. 903 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:57,760 I want more human art to exist. I don't want people to go, damn, 904 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,400 I can't afford that. So I'm not going to do it. 905 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,400 Instead, I'm going to generate something or I'm just not going 906 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,200 to, you know, do XYZ. It's OK. 907 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:10,440 Like I have on my itch, I have various Creative Commons pieces 908 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,760 of art that you can go and just put in your game. 909 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:18,320 If you are on a budget, tell me. Just tell me your budget and I 910 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:19,640 will make something work with you. 911 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,120 It might not always be, you know, the most polished, 912 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,200 beautiful piece of art you have ever seen. 913 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,200 But if you say, hey, I only have $25, I really need just like a 914 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,280 little piece of art, great. I'll make something work because 915 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,800 there aren't people out there that have the budget and that 916 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,080 will work with me. And I want to make sure that 917 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:39,600 everyone has a little something, you know? 918 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,280 And that's always gonna be better. 919 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,520 I mean, your own stick figure drawings are always going to be 920 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,600 better than generative AI. I can you can only assume here 921 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,840 on the show how we feel about that if you know how we feel 922 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,560 about everything else. But if instead of your own stick 923 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,320 figure drawing it, you can get them all the mood. 924 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,720 I always suggest that get. Me to draw your stick figure 925 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,320 drawings. There you go, I have. 926 00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:06,280 Been. Write that. 927 00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,600 Write that down, RPG of stick figures. 928 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,280 Oh, I'm I would be shocked if that doesn't exist. 929 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,640 But there, there, nothing says that we can't have more than 930 00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,960 one. But but Malamu, thank you so 931 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,000 much for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. 932 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,480 Yeah, absolutely. Please come on again. 933 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,760 Maybe maybe when this drops and we have the physical on our 934 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:29,000 hands, you can come on and and we can annoy you as a chef and 935 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,200 we can run some here on the show or something but that. 936 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,240 'D be awesome. That would be great. 937 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:35,040 Really appreciate you being here. 938 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,200 Please come back again. Obviously, you know, we're huge, 939 00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,440 some of it fans and and that means we're also big fans of 940 00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,000 yours, both because of and in spite of, I guess, Yeah. 941 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,520 So I can I can be both there? You go so, so again, thank you. 942 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,280 And and that's gonna be us for today. 943 00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,640 So catch us. Catch us. 944 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,080 I don't know. I don't know when, whenever, 945 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,280 whenever we're on. Whenever I think we do have an 946 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,920 episode on Friday, I think we have We're going over an 947 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,440 adventure this Friday, which we've done. 948 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,120 Our first one. Our first. 949 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,040 Adventure. Yeah, we'll see. 950 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,760 But again, thank you so much and we will see you all later. 951 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,120 Bye. Thank you.