1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,800 Welcome to the Gamer Dad podcast where we talk about all things 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Magic the Gathering and gaming. We strive to make things fun, 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,640 fit into our busy lives, families, keep things casual and 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,440 show you how you can too. I'm gamer dad Bob, a gamer since 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,680 1987. And you ever get the feeling of 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,160 Deja Vu? I'm an IT manager, lover of 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,840 sports RPGs, father of one very energetic 5 year old who just 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,000 started kindergarten, brought home a sickness. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,920 I have COVID thanks to him and apparently is quite the 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,120 storyteller according to his teacher. 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,280 And I'm Jesse Hoagy, gamer, guitar player, and full time dad 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,600 trying to keep up with his two daughters who can already beat 13 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,360 him in Mario Kart. And I'm not teaching them how to 14 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,280 drift. I'm probably losing a game on 15 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,320 Marvel Snap, drawing terrible hands and Magic Gathering, or 16 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,000 analyzing why gaming villains are sometimes way cooler than 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,040 heroes. I'd just be Expedition 33 and 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,120 I'm emotionally broken. All right, pause, pause. 19 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,840 So I just want to say I'm like super proud of you for finishing 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,400 a game first and foremost, because this is finish it. 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,680 This is not something that Jesse does. 22 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:08,080 This is a big deal chat and and anybody listening because I 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,320 recall you saying at the end of Act 2 you're like, Oh my God, 24 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:13,560 what's the point? I did, I did, and then by the 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,120 end of act three I was blubbering like a baby again, 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,880 sending messages like 10:00 at night like what the heck just 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,320 happened? Yeah, I I was the same way. 28 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:23,080 It was. It was a rough, rough ending. 29 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,160 The game just tugged on every emotion that you could find. 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,040 So this is a big deal for Jesse. And he finished the game that I 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,400 recommended, which is even more rare, mind you. 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Usually I recommend games to you. 33 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,840 Yeah, so, you know, slow clap for Jesse on that one. 34 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,720 So next I I finished it so I can have my whole slate clean for 35 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,080 Ghost of Yo Tai. Although now Hades 2 is coming 36 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,080 out in 2 weeks. Yeah. 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,520 Anyway, so buckle up, lower expectations, and remember, if 38 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,400 you learned something today, it was purely accidental. 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,840 And remember, this podcast is sponsored by you, our listeners. 40 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,960 So head on over to our Patreon, subscribe, give us a follow. 41 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,640 There you can get exclusive content like our video podcast. 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,320 The only place you get the video now is here live. 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,200 And then it's gone off to Patreon. 44 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,760 Subscribers to Patreon also get notified when we post updates to 45 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,160 our podcast recordings. And check out my new gamer Dad 46 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,080 rules of Thumb series on YouTube. 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,240 If you're a gamer, a parent, you might relate. 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,440 Finally, don't forget to stick around for our trivia tonight. 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,080 I'm sure I totally won't come up with it during the podcast and 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,720 have one planned ahead of time. I promise, I promise. 51 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,560 All right, let's get into it today because this is a fun one. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,760 We're going to talk about villains, Video game villains in 53 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,640 particular. Not just bosses, not just end of 54 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:48,240 level. We're going to talk about the 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,160 ones that scare us, the ones that make us laugh, the ones 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:56,560 that just refuse to stay dead. This isn't a tier list or who's 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,360 the greatest of all time, so we're not going to be arguing 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,680 that. It's just all about the villains 59 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,240 that stuck with us. The ones you still remember long 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,600 after you put the controller down. 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,680 And as you're listening, think about yours. 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,600 Which villain do you still carry with you and why? 63 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,560 So our first segment touches on the villains who never die. 64 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,920 And I always argue that movies need good villains and and 65 00:03:19,920 --> 00:03:21,920 villains that never die is very important. 66 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:25,320 And that's why I think the Marvel Universe did so well with 67 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,280 the Thanos thing for a very long time because they dragged him in 68 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,720 as kind of the puppet master pulling strings and and 69 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,000 everything else. And the villains that never die 70 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,280 are the best the best ones. Spoilers. 71 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,400 I was just going to say something One of Jesse's later 72 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,640 ones. I mean the Spider man 3 movie 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,640 killing off Venom was like, what? 74 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,920 What the hell was that? You killed off one of the best 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Spider man villains of all time in a movie. 76 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,200 The best spider man villain of all time in my opinion. 77 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,520 Like so he. He is his like his Yang to his 78 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,400 Yang. So by the way, again, if I sound 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,920 stuffed up, it's because my son brought COVID home from 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,200 kindergarten and I'm just on the tail end of it. 81 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,680 I want to talk about a couple of early, early ones from the 82 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,120 Nintendo days that that didn't quite make it bubble to the top. 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,680 But let's talk about Dracula from the Castlevania series and 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,520 Mother Brain and Metroid. Those are some very classic 85 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:18,920 immortal enemies, bosses. You know, Dracula is always 86 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,480 resurrected. He just always comes back. 87 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,280 And it's usually the damn Belmont family that's doing it. 88 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,520 So it's, it's like we have to kill Dracula. 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Shit, he's already dead. Let's bring him back and do it 90 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,040 again. We need something to do for the 91 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,240 game #2. And mother Brain has been around 92 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,560 forever and now I, I know Metroid is kind of moved away 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,160 from mother Brain being the bad guy. 94 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,240 And it's it's definitely more about the Metroids. 95 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,040 Go figure, the title creature there. 96 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,520 But mother Brain was always one that that was curious to me. 97 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,280 It kept coming back in in in different ways. 98 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:56,240 But mine, my favorite bad guy that always came back is Doctor 99 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,960 Wiley. And I have him tattooed on my 100 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:03,480 arm. There he is, our dude with the, 101 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,960 the UFO and the, the, the eyebrows. 102 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,160 The the Magnum Pi eyebrows thing. 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,280 You know, did you ever watch Magnum Pi, Jesse? 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,960 No, I didn't. So Tom Selleck would look at the 105 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:17,720 camera at the intro and do the the eyebrows thing and Doctor 106 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,360 Wiley's doing that as he's escaping in his thing. 107 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,360 So who is Doctor Wiley? He is a former colleague of 108 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,680 Doctor Light. That's the protagonist good guy 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,960 and and you turn bitter rival, jealousy being the root. 110 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,160 And it's always the same cycle with Doctor Wiley build these 111 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,000 new robot masters, then Mega Man tears through them. 112 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,880 You go into his fortress, which is like a, a, a, a snake pit of 113 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,920 traps and everything and some different bosses. 114 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,800 And then you get to Wiley, you defeat him and he makes a 115 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,480 dramatic escape and you get through Mega Man one. 116 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,960 It's that you get through Mega Man 2. 117 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,360 It's that. And then Mega Man three, you're 118 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,200 like, yes, you finally catch him, right? 119 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,960 He doesn't run off the screen or anything. 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,680 And then his head pops and it's a spring. 121 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:03,720 It was actually Doctor Wiley robot, you know, And then at 122 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,920 Mega Man 5, they frame Proto Man. 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,080 That's a nice twist. But of course it's it's Doctor 124 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,920 Wiley again. The bad guy isn't Proto Man. 125 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,160 Are you kidding me? Get out of here. 126 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,360 And he always has that, that, that UFO that I have tattooed. 127 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,240 So that's always fun. He's iconic. 128 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,760 And Wiley always resonated with me as a kid because of he just 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,960 never goes away. He's he's that bad guy. 130 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,360 He's like, I'm just going to send all these robots at Mega 131 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,080 Man. He's going to do his best. 132 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,000 And of course Mega Man's going to win because it's Mega Man. 133 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,000 I mean, he's awesome. And then why is Wiley so cool? 134 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:42,160 He always endorse and persistent villains always feel mythic to 135 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,040 me, right? It's not stale because it's the 136 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,120 same guy. And it's like, why can't we beat 137 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,920 this guy? Why won't he go away? 138 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,880 He's petty, he's ridiculous. And yet somehow, for me at 139 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,160 least, Wiley is lovable. That's why I have that tattoo, 140 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,760 because it's not just a game about Mega Man, Proto Man, 141 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,840 Doctor Light, the robots. It's about Wiley. 142 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:08,760 And and like, the crazier thing is like I was thinking about it 143 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,840 today as I was preparing for the podcast and I was like, if your 144 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,440 Dragon Ball Z fan, like Doctor Wiley and Doctor Jarreau are 145 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,200 almost the same person. And that's a weird thing of like 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:24,640 branching evolution as far as characters go, because Akira 147 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Toriyama did not take any influence from Doctor Wiley from 148 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,600 Capcom. So these are two very similar 149 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,280 characters who make robots, who are evil geniuses whose legacy 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,440 lives on after they're dead, because after Wiley's dead, he 151 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,360 created Zero in the Mega Man X universe 0 contained a virus, 152 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,360 the Sigma virus. So there's all kinds of stuff 153 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:52,160 that that's tied in and and like in Dragon Ball Z, Doctor Giroux 154 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:57,440 creates the androids, creates Cell after he's dead, Cell does 155 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 things. It's just, it's so wild how much 156 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:02,120 parallels there are. And I was Googling it. 157 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,680 I was like, come on, Toriyama had to take something. 158 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,560 He's like, that had to be Doctor Wilson. 159 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,240 And it's not there. There's no evidence that 160 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Toriyama took Doctor Wiley and said, I'm making Doctor Giroux 161 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,480 this character. So man, it's crazy how things 162 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,560 work. It's like, we're going to take 163 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,720 this trope here and we're just going to run with it. 164 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,320 Capcom's like, we have our thing. 165 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Toriyama says. Dragon Ball Z will have its own 166 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,160 thing from the Red Ribbon Army. And they just ran with it and, 167 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,120 and it was so fun researching that and everything. 168 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,240 I was like, come on, there's got to be something here. 169 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,679 But there wasn't. So that's why Doctor Wiley makes 170 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,080 the first part of my list so fun, because he just doesn't go 171 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,280 away. And these kinds of bad guys are 172 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,400 the best ones in my opinion, and that's why they're in Segment 1. 173 00:08:46,560 --> 00:08:51,560 So mine it's two of them that are sharing the same the same 174 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:54,960 kind of vein that won't go away. Mine are from two different 175 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:59,880 games also both published by Nintendo and it is Bowser and 176 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,320 Ganondorf, two different games. Mario Brothers, Zelda. 177 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,160 So same general premise of like your Mega Man guy. 178 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,240 They never die, they always come back no matter how many times 179 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,360 you think you beat and they never die. 180 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,840 I'm kind of going one good, one bad. 181 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,360 So Bowser in my opinion, as I'm getting older, it always seems 182 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,320 the same. The boss battle with him always 183 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,080 seems the same. Everything, the whole trope, the 184 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,600 whole story behind him always seems the same. 185 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,480 It's always his unhealthy obsession with Peach. 186 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,400 He kidnaps her and you have to go save her. 187 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,520 And and really and and maybe I haven't played enough of the non 188 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,840 main Mario games but like Odyssey is the only one to me 189 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,160 that felt like changed up the boss battle with him. 190 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,600 But all the other ones seem exactly the same. 191 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Whereas Ganondorf the battles are similar but they're 192 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,040 different enough that where every game it's like it's he's 193 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:57,200 evolving. It's like Ganondorf to me feels 194 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:01,280 like Jason from Friday the 13th, like you're finally dead, you're 195 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 good, blah, blah, blah. Everybody's rejoicing, Roll 196 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,480 credits. And then his arm comes up or 197 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,200 something. Something happens. 198 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,760 Gandorf really is the main one here because he has a whole 199 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,520 mythology behind him. Oh yeah. 200 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,160 Whereas Bowser is just I like that girl, I'm going to kidnap 201 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,960 girl until she likes me. What is? 202 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:21,360 What is that? Is it? 203 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,880 I don't know. The unhealthy obsession is a 204 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,760 pretty good way to frame it. Like what? 205 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,160 What is that? But Gandorf, he is truly 206 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,720 immortal, and it is the central theme of all of the Zelda games 207 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,800 really. And it's really two factors I'm 208 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,160 going to dive in a little bit of mythology with. 209 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:45,800 So you have the cursive Demise and the power of the Triforce. 210 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:51,120 So Demise's curse ensures that Gandorf, as the embodiment of 211 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,840 hatred, like he's the embodiment of hatred, will always be reborn 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,640 and always be resurrected to plague each new generation of 213 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,560 Lincoln Zelda. Meanwhile A Triforce which 214 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:05,760 Gandorf inevitably claims in every single era grants him God 215 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,880 like strength, longevity. Longevity and resilience makes 216 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,480 him very hard to kill and with permanently and with that power 217 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,760 he can survive any fatal wounds and only special divine weapons 218 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,920 like the Master sword or some games plus arrows. 219 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,960 The light arrows. The right arrows Yep, can 220 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,840 destroy him physically physically, and even then his 221 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,920 malice can linger beyond his death, which can be seen as 222 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:39,080 Calamity Gannon in a later games and his spirit will reincarnate 223 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,120 given a new any time enough time goes through. 224 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:47,160 So he effectively cannot truly die as long as the cycle, the 225 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Triforce and the goddess's bloodline continues. 226 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,480 So he's always going to be there. 227 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,000 So that's why I crossed all of the zealot of games, no matter 228 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,320 which one from the ancient going all the way back when they go 229 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,760 back and they all this is when I started to the new stuff like in 230 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,680 tears in the Kingdom, he's always coming back. 231 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:08,160 He's eternal, he's the embodiment of evil in the whole 232 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,320 game. So to me Bowser is in my opinion 233 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,840 lazy design and very outdated whereas Ganderorff has a whole 234 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,240 mythology behind it and it's like he's reinvented and 235 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,760 refreshed every time whereas Bowser he just comes back and 236 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,720 does the same thing every. Yeah, he, he's, he really is 237 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,080 like that. I'm going to kidnap the 238 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,640 Princess, throw her in a tower trope, you know, and and what, 239 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,920 what is Bowser? He's he's he's like a lizard 240 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,440 king, right? I I mean, yeah, but what is he 241 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:37,960 going to do with a human Princess? 242 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,720 That's just weird, guys. And sometimes, like you, you 243 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,200 fight his kids. I guess they are. 244 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:44,680 Yeah, there's. Bowser Junior. 245 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:48,560 And then there's, like, all of the kids, the Ludwigs, the 246 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:52,160 where's the mom? Iggy Koopa's the yeah, where is 247 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,200 the mom? Where's where's Bowser's? 248 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,840 I don't know, man. Maybe he adopted them all. 249 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,280 Fun, fun fact, after the the Mario movie, my daughter's like, 250 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,520 where's Bowser's wife? I'm like, I don't know. 251 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,840 And then she's playing the games like these are Bowser kids. 252 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,760 Where's the mom? It's this is just running joke 253 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,160 with you. And I was like, who who's the 254 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Bowser's wife? Who's the mom of all these kids? 255 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,640 OK, that's, that's great. You know, Ganondorf is one of my 256 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,320 my favorite bad guys too. So I'm glad you covered him 257 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,280 because the The Legend of Zelda games are just so iconic. 258 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,600 Those, I mean, clearly I'm wearing a Legend of Zelda shirt 259 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:27,880 tonight. Deliberately. 260 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,840 Any of the Legend of Zelda tattoo? 261 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,120 I have plenty of Zelda tattoos. There's a hilly and shield right 262 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,600 there. There is Link Between Worlds, 263 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,760 the little mosaic guy coming popping out. 264 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 I have a Triforce up here. There it is. 265 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,480 So I have plenty of Legend of Zelda tattoos. 266 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:45,480 Freaking love those. You still. 267 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,320 Won't play the new games. They're too hard. 268 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,920 You know how I stand on that. They're just, they're too hard. 269 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,720 They're too sandboxy. It's not my thing. 270 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,640 And, and unfortunately, that means Zelda's probably going to 271 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,680 leave me behind. Like, I don't know what Calamity 272 00:13:56,680 --> 00:13:59,120 Gannon is. I, I don't know any of that or, 273 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,680 or what those creepy hand things are that are, are chasing you 274 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:04,800 all over in in tears of the Kingdom. 275 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:07,720 I, I will never know what any of that is because I just can't get 276 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,040 into those games. And that's OK. 277 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,680 I, I mean, if you look at the very first game, like if you let 278 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:17,000 the title run, you get a little bit of the back story and 279 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,880 everything, but you don't know why Gannon is like doing Gannon 280 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,440 things. You just know he's like this 281 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,040 weird pig monster bad guy, that's all. 282 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,640 And. I you saying you're not going to 283 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,680 play the games like I'm not going to play the high rule 284 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,480 warriors games. No, I'm not either. 285 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,560 I I tried the first one I'm like this is just isn't for me. 286 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,040 I love the Dynasty Warriors game, so I was like, Oh yeah, 287 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,520 high rule warriors and everything, and it played like a 288 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,720 dumbed down version of Dynasty Warriors and I just didn't care 289 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,240 for it. There's more nuance and 290 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,600 everything to the Romance of the Three Kingdom story than there 291 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,440 is to the high rule Kingdom story. 292 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,160 There's more depth to it. I mean the Romance of the Three 293 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,160 Kingdom I've got in two gigantic take books on the bookshelf up 294 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,560 there. It is a very long Chinese story. 295 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,800 So there's a lot of material that they can build into the 296 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,040 Dynasty warriors games. And I'm sure you could put a lot 297 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,760 of stuff from Zelda into books and everything, but not 298 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 romantically 3 kingdoms big and there's not as many characters 299 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,480 either. It's kind of it's kind of hard 300 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,400 to do. Gannon's a good one. 301 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,320 Jesse, that was a good pick. I like that. 302 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,840 So moving on to segment 2, as we as we move into our bad guys and 303 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,920 everything one and done's your bad guys from games that just 304 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,280 they're the only bad guy. They don't come back. 305 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,440 You see him one time. And for me that's real simple. 306 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:37,200 My favorite bad guy period, hands down, no debate for me is 307 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,960 Kafka from Final Fantasy 6. And he's also on my arm 308 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,040 somewhere right there. There he is, there he is. 309 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,560 You can hear him laughing in the tattoo. 310 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,320 Jesse doesn't know that because he hasn't played the game. 311 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:50,760 I know. It's the magic card Kafka. 312 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,480 That's quite OK. So Kafka's awesome. 313 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,920 He's like, it's hard to explain because he's one of those bad 314 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 guys that kind of wins at the midpoint of the game, like at 315 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:04,240 the end of act one. But like, I was prepping for 316 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,640 tonight and I was like, you know what? 317 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,840 I have played this game and I kid you not, I've probably 318 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,600 played Final Fantasy 6 start to finish like 30-40 times, no 319 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,880 exaggeration. And there's no lore dump on his 320 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:18,280 origins within the game. There's some very small 321 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,120 implications on where he started, what his deal is. 322 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,120 So I was like, OK, I need to research this. 323 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,000 So as I was prepping the the deal with Kefka is he was the 324 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,120 very first human magitech infusion experiment. 325 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,560 Jesse's going, I don't know what that is. 326 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,720 Nope. Listeners, if you don't know 327 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,880 what that is, let me explain. In this world and Final Fantasy, 328 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,160 humans are not born with the gift of magic. 329 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,280 It has to be infused in them through very, very weird 330 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,800 scientific genetic alterations to human bodies. 331 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,640 And Kefka was the very first person that they succeeded with, 332 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:01,080 but it was kind of unstable. You know, he got the power of 333 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,640 magic and everything, but in the process, it fried his mind so 334 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,400 suddenly he's cruel and chaotic and it and it just makes more 335 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,480 sense than going. Why is this guy just this weird 336 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,240 psycho court jester mage clown type guy and and Kefka's 337 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,520 insanity. Just as the game goes, his his 338 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,359 sanity just continues to plummet. 339 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,440 Right. So you're playing this game and 340 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,640 you get these what the hell moments throughout the story, 341 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,680 like near the very beginning, he decides, I didn't get the answer 342 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,960 I liked from someone, so I'm just going to burn the entire 343 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,120 castle down, just punish everyone, just burn them all 344 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,520 alive, no big deal. And then later he poisons an 345 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,240 entire castle of people by poisoning their water supply. 346 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,920 And one of the gut punches is like one of the soldiers comes 347 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,080 up to him. He goes, you know, we have 348 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,160 captives in that castle and Kafka's like, well, they were 349 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,760 stupid enough to get caught, by the way. 350 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,480 Where have we heard that before? Without getting too deep into 351 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,720 our American politics, where have we heard that before? 352 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:00,720 And he kills them too. He does, just doesn't care. 353 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,920 And then you have multiple encounters with this this bad 354 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,320 guy as as the game goes on and you're like, finally I get to 355 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,920 kill this asshole and you don't. He escapes and he gets slightly 356 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,040 more powerful, but he's really kind of nerfed, if you will. 357 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,560 He's strong enough to get to put up a fight when you face him, 358 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:23,240 but ultimately he just doesn't go away until the end of the 359 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,720 game, until the end of act one where he actually achieves his 360 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,120 goals. He finds these magic statues, 361 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,760 the warring triad. That's a magic cartoon Jesse 362 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:37,120 that holds the entire balance of magic in the world and what does 363 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,920 he do? He absorbs their magic. 364 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,440 He stands in the middle of them and he absorbs their magic and 365 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,640 becomes basically God like because he absorbs all of their 366 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,640 magic that supplies pretty much the world of magic and he ends 367 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,800 up destroying the planet. Essentially. 368 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:56,040 He tears it to pieces and it becomes the, the, the formal 369 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,440 names for the world's are the world of balance, which is the 370 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,440 normal world that you're in, towns and everything. 371 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,160 And then the world of ruin, where Kafka essentially 372 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,000 rearranges the face of the globe. 373 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:07,960 All the continents are shifted. Things that were buried 374 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,640 underwater are suddenly above ground again, things that were 375 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,000 above ground or below. He shreds things up and he sits 376 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,000 in this tower of junk that he created and he has this thing 377 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,120 called the light of judgement. It's basically just a, a fire 378 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:25,600 laser that he can torch towns with at will because he can't. 379 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,560 And you know, you get through the end of act one, you're like, 380 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Oh my God, we lost, we lost. And act 2 starts and you have to 381 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,560 find your entire party again. And you're traveling the world 382 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,240 and getting your party back together. 383 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:40,880 And finally you get to Kefka's tower. 384 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,360 And you get there and you get to the final area. 385 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:46,680 And he gives this huge speech and monologue at the end about 386 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,360 how irrelevant life is and how he wants to destroy everything. 387 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:55,440 This guy is a true narcissist and the battle I'm going to show 388 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,680 off tattoo again. Here is this thing right? 389 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,240 So you start with this guy and then you climb further and 390 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,080 further and further up and it's it's a four part battle, OK, And 391 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,680 it's just epic. And you get to Kafka and the way 392 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,200 that they they designed him. He's like this twisted Angel 393 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,520 form. So he's like a God. 394 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,520 It's like, you know, the, the, the Michelangelo picture where 395 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,560 they're, they're touching, you know, kind of imagine Kefka 396 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,680 looking like that kind of just a little loincloth with some wings 397 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,720 and everything going just God like. 398 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,320 And, and the fight is hard. The music elevates that. 399 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:38,280 If you look up the, the final song dancing mad, by the way, 400 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:43,040 magic card Kefka dancing mad. It's beautiful, absolutely 401 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,160 beautiful. And, and I think there's a live 402 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,160 performance of it done by the the Final Fantasy Symphony. 403 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,480 And he's got this signature move in this battle. 404 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,440 It's called fall in one. At least that's what it was 405 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,400 called in the in the old SNES days. 406 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,960 And what to do? It drops your entire party to 407 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,640 one hit point. There's no dodging it, there's 408 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,400 no buffing against it. It just puts you down to one, 409 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,480 one hit point and you have to respond quickly. 410 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,160 Either pop a mega elixir, pop a heel, do something because if 411 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,480 you don't, he's just going to wipe you with his next attack. 412 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,360 And if you're under leveled like I've done a couple times, 413 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,680 because again, every once in a while I like a challenge with 414 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,200 this game, the fight becomes really unforgiving because 415 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,560 you're not dishing out enough damage for him and he'll get two 416 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,520 or three swipes at you with that fallen one that you have to 417 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,920 respond to. And I remember this one 418 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,480 playthrough I got through, I was under leveled and the character 419 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,120 Locke, who is the thief of the party, call me Treasure Hunter. 420 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,680 He's my last guy standing at this point. 421 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,920 And I was like, Oh my God, the fight with Kafka dragged on and 422 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,720 I just hit the attack button because that's really all he's 423 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,520 good for. And I discovered that they built 424 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,240 in these things called desperation attacks in the video 425 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,720 game. And if you if you Google it, if 426 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,520 you YouTube it, they're they're each character has a desperation 427 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,560 attack that may or may not trigger when they're at critical 428 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,360 health and locks triggered. And it killed Kafka. 429 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,840 Yeah. I mean, talk about like the 430 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,800 ultimate ending swipe that I had on him. 431 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,360 So that was really, really funny. 432 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,360 It was just an unforgettable icing on the cake for me. 433 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,440 And why does Kefka endure in my mind? 434 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,720 Well, one. Final Fantasy 6 is one of my 435 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,480 favorite video games of all time, start to finish. 436 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,120 The cast, the way they designed it, the story that they tell and 437 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,320 everything is great. But Kefka in particular, his 438 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:40,640 insanity, the spectacle of him, the challenge at the end, in 439 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,600 that singular climactic exit, he doesn't just dissolve off the 440 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,000 screen, right? He slowly dissolves into dust as 441 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,200 you've destroyed him, as if he's just vanishing from existence. 442 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,200 And in a way, Kafka got what he wanted. 443 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,800 It was really poetic. So that's why Kafka is my 444 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,360 favorite, favorite villain, hands down. 445 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,400 One off, one off villain in particular here. 446 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,680 And Jesse, I think you've got a fun one too. 447 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,520 So I got a question first though, why are always our gods 448 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,040 and God like characters so scantily clothed? 449 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,960 You know they don't like clothes. 450 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,800 They don't need clothes anymore. What is it with a loincloth? 451 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,680 I don't know man, I'd if I was God like I'd probably be walking 452 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,200 around in the buff too. Does that mean Tarzan is God 453 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:29,280 like? Maybe. 454 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Maybe. Anyway, my choice it's it wasn't 455 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,840 even a choice. It was like the easiest thing to 456 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,800 me is the one and done. And it wasn't really the big 457 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,600 boss of the whole game. It's the big boss of a certain 458 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,160 area of the game, and that's the Bloody Baron from Witcher 3. 459 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,480 This is an interesting spin, so pay attention, Chad. 460 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Might be my all time favorite bad guy, but is he really a bad 461 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,680 guy? So the moment that girl that's 462 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,720 the main protagonist. For those who doesn't know, the 463 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,040 Witcher meets the Bloody Baron and you meet him on Crow's 464 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,080 Perch. It's clear that he's not just a 465 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,240 bad guy, his name is Philip Stranger. 466 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,200 Bloody Baron is like kind of a new name for him. 467 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,720 He's a warlord, he's a war load. He's very violent. 468 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,280 He's known for his violent temper and it's what they call a 469 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:22,400 three mile long cruel street. So, and that's in Gerald's 470 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,480 journals because like you, when you meet people, you have kind 471 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,640 of like a bestiary type thing and, and read journals in there 472 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,280 as the whole quest unfolds. The Baron, he, he, he's not 473 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,760 really your whole 2 dimensional dark Lord type person. 474 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,000 He's so much deeper than that. He's not the ultimate villain. 475 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,960 He's really just a tragically flawed person. 476 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,920 Tragically isn't. That's even an understatement in 477 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,760 my opinion. Yes, I would, I would, I would 478 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,600 angle even like cursed. Like, I know, not like cursed, 479 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,160 deliberately cursed, but like cursed by the gods if you will. 480 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:58,120 So in in his past, he, his wife Anna, he beats her, which causes 481 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:01,040 a miscarriage. He terrorizes all the people 482 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,520 that he's ruling over, which makes him an antagonist for 483 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,200 sure. But he also has remorse like his 484 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,080 missing daughter that we have to help find. 485 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,800 He he truly misses her and he truly loves her and he kind of 486 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,560 has a certain charm about him and you could tell that there's 487 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,440 good in him. You know, after doing searching 488 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,400 and stuff, someone summarized him well. 489 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,600 It says brash and boorish but with a kind of charm, a drunk 490 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,320 and bad husband and father but knows this makes. 491 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,160 But he knows that he's that and makes his realization that he's 492 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,560 lost everything like totally sad. 493 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,280 Like Mole Quest is just just a gut punch. 494 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,320 It is. And the fact that he's so self 495 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,440 aware and you can sell that he has guilt is totally UN unlike 496 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600 any other villain. I think like most, most villains 497 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,160 don't feel remorse. They don't feel guilt and he 498 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,280 does. And that the writer themselves, 499 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,640 the quest writer, says nobody is only good and no one is simply 500 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560 evil. A black and white world would be 501 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,680 plain boring, as would a black and white game. 502 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:06,120 So he is Gray mortality twitty. Morality. 503 00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:10,640 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Twitty and his character kind of 504 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,480 theme is mirrors the themes of fatherhood and lost that Geralt 505 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,600 has with Siri, and I think that's a perfect way to start 506 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,080 the game. It's kind of like to me the the 507 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,640 big the least from when I was playing, the first big thing to 508 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,760 me is gross Perch and that and what a way to start the game, 509 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,240 man. Like it's amazing. 510 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,560 Yeah, you are. You are fully invested in the 511 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 game at that point. Like you're like, OK, this is a 512 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,360 massive quest, a massive undertaking with so many 513 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:39,800 branches and and pieces that have to pull it together. 514 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,960 And you've got this one dude, the Bloody Baron, who you just 515 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:48,040 want to punch, but you. Feel bad about doing it. 516 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,080 There's even. I think. 517 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,080 I think there's a certain part in the game where girl does hit 518 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,080 him. Yeah, they fight, Yeah, because 519 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,120 he because he's hammered. Yeah. 520 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,840 And like they have like a fist fight and really like, the way 521 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,360 it kind of goes wrong is Baron is kind of like a dark 522 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:03,560 reflection of what Gorrell could be. 523 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,840 Yeah, under different circumstances. 524 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,160 Like it has so much layers to the relationship and like he he 525 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,440 sheltered and saved Siri when she was running from something 526 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520 I'm going to talk about later. And she's like she was an 527 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,920 orphan. She need she was in need. 528 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,520 So he cared for her and gave her shelter and protected her. 529 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,680 And that's very good to him, which adds some more like Gray 530 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,720 apart. But he's not really a hero and 531 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,400 he's not really a villain. Like to like the definition of 532 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,040 it. He is a tragic person and it's, 533 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,760 it's often discussed along like between my research, he he's 534 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,440 brought up as some of the greatest villains of all time. 535 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,440 And it's and it's it's, it's, it wasn't surprising to me, but it 536 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,040 the thing I like about is it's so intimate and self-contained. 537 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240 Like outside. Once you're done with that, 538 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440 depending on your choices, you never think or see or hear about 539 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,840 him again. Like there's some choices where 540 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,960 you do see him hanging from a tree, but it depends on your 541 00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,600 choice. And he's not reoccurring. 542 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,720 He's not coming back. It's just this happens, gut 543 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,720 punch done, and then you move on and you're like, yeah, I want to 544 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,600 do that again. Like is there is I don't know 545 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,560 how many times I played that game and redid that whole quest 546 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240 line just to see what other choices and what other outcomes 547 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,680 come of it. Yeah, I, I think there's three 548 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,880 major outcomes, right. I think there's only two. 549 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,280 I could be wrong. There's there's, I've gotten 3, 550 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,200 so you've got the the good. Ending on it. 551 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,440 The good ending, right? He's he's reunited with wife, 552 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,840 daughter. Yep. 553 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,040 The wife is turned into a hag ending. 554 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,760 Yep. And then the tree and. 555 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,720 Then the tree, yeah. So I I haven't gotten the hag 556 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,640 one I guess. The hag one was interesting. 557 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,080 I did that by accident. You got to replay Witcher 3 now. 558 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,840 Jesse I was just gonna say it means I have to replay The 559 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,960 Witcher 3, but there there's so many different like examples of 560 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,880 like 1 and done characters like a Gunter or Dim. 561 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,120 He's my favorite. He was amazing. 562 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,680 My favorite. That entire Hearts of Stone 563 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,320 story was so creepy. Freaking loved it. 564 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,680 Very creepy, but and it's it's just I love the fact that he's 565 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,520 not like some supernatural demon. 566 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,000 He's not like this all powerful person. 567 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000 He is just a tragic classic literary character and he's not 568 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,280 your conventional game boss. Yep. 569 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,040 And you, you, the only fight you have with the Bloody Baron is a 570 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,560 fist fight in a yeah, there's no actual boss fight with him, 571 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,560 right? It's it's incredibly personal to 572 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,600 grow like it's incredibly personal just because they have 573 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:43,320 Siri there and as you discover the crap that he's done to his 574 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,840 family and then you have the whole botchling thing and 575 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,920 burying his on board kid because he killed, you know, or cause 576 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,160 his wife to miscarry. It's it's just incredibly 577 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,160 personal and it's it's just so well done. 578 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,440 He will always be my favorite or one of my favorites. 579 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:03,760 He's so good, so good. So do we think the impact comes 580 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,840 from knowing they only exist in one story? 581 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,840 Do we think that's kind of like, it's like one of those those 582 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920 FOMO things kind of where you're like, oh man, this guy's so 583 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,520 good. I, I, I want him to come back. 584 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,760 But at the same time, it's so like you said, it's, it's just 585 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,560 encapsulated in, in this one story. 586 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,840 Does that make it better or does it make it worse? 587 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,600 It's hard to say sometimes. Like I I would have loved to 588 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,080 have seen Kafka come back, but sometimes, like existing in just 589 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,240 one story, it makes it all that more impactful. 590 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,440 Yeah, I think, I think his whole character arc, like speaking the 591 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Baron himself would have, I think of overstayed as welcome. 592 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,120 If. If he was present throughout the 593 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360 whole game. So for him specifically, I think 594 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,480 having it that short and contained into short. 595 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,960 You could you could go through that for like 15 hours of 596 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,080 gameplay before you wrap that story. 597 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,000 Contained into Crow's perch, I think was terrific. 598 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Yeah, I agree. I agree. 599 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Bloody Baron is a very interesting character. 600 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,320 It's tragic. I have to download it on my 601 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,160 switch too. There you go. 602 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,920 There you go. All right, Segment 3. 603 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,640 We're calling this one Forces of Nature. 604 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,480 This is an interesting one because it's like, is the game 605 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,440 just trying to kill you or is it this overarching huge celestial 606 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,480 type being the the the OR cosmic entity? 607 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,800 Is it an actual God that's against you? 608 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,240 For me, again, going back to my JRPG roots, it's Lavos from the 609 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,080 Chrono Trigger and Chronocross games. 610 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Lavos. I had to think of a really good 611 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,520 way to describe him. So if you don't know who Lavos 612 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,280 is, I could describe him in 1-2 simple words. 613 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:50,240 Lavos is a gigantic space tick that Burrows into planets and 614 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,760 sucks the lifeblood out. OK so imagine like a meteorite 615 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,840 giant space tick burrowed into the center of the planet and 616 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,960 it's consuming the lifeblood of the planet. 617 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,880 The DNA of every being in the planet, the knowledge, the power 618 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:12,200 of every being. And it's only goal like ticks 619 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,880 are to grow and multiply and find other things to consume. 620 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360 Except this is at a a cosmic level. 621 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,560 So think of Galactus right from the Marvel Universe. 622 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,400 But this is just a parasite instead of a cosmic deity. 623 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,560 And Lavos is very interesting because in Chrono Trigger, as 624 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,680 you find out early on, Lavos basically causes the end of 625 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,760 civilization as as they know it. You stumble into it when you 626 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,720 travel into the future and you see that the future is bleak and 627 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,400 barren and there's mutants and there's not a whole lot going 628 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,280 on. People are hungry all the time. 629 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,160 There's very few people around. There's robots. 630 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,640 Lavos is always this lurking presence, you know, just kind of 631 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,240 looming in the background. You know that Lavos is the is 632 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,640 the main antagonist and no matter which timeline you're in, 633 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,680 Lavos has some kind of an influence. 634 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,400 Because in the game story, Lavos arrived at 65,000,000 years BC. 635 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160 So he's been sitting in the planet for a very long time. 636 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,440 And the world ends and Lavos emerges from his slumber in the 637 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:25,000 year 1999 AD. So 65,000,000 + 2000 years 638 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,200 basically. And after that, he multiplies 639 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,800 and he's ready to go. And you find this all out. 640 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,360 And then as you go from each timeline to timeline, you find 641 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,480 out his influence. You find out that in the Dark 642 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,960 Ages that there's a very powerful mage who is trying to 643 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,200 destroy Lavos. You find out in the age of 644 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,000 antiquity, which is even earlier than the Dark ages, you find out 645 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,760 that there is an advanced civilization, a powerful 646 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,400 civilization that that is relies on magic. 647 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,120 And they've got these machines and they they know that Lavos 648 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,320 exists and they're harnessing his energy. 649 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,040 And that energy turns the queen of that era a little cuckoo. 650 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:07,080 She's a little power obsessed and his influence on there and 651 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:11,000 on her daughter named Shala. And Lavos finds this this 652 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,040 magical conduit in Shala and he begins to obsess a little bit 653 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,679 too much about gaining her power and access to her. 654 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,280 So Lavos is always central to the story because he's 655 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,760 constantly in your face. You know, it's the bad guy. 656 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,199 You know, it is so why Labos sticks around. 657 00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,920 It's because the game. It's not like this personal 658 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,800 vendetta, right? It's not like, Oh my God, Indigo 659 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,840 Montoya, you killed my father. Prepare to die. 660 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,560 It's this. We have to save the world. 661 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,480 We have to preserve the future so that that the future exists 662 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,920 not in the way it does. So this is more about altruism. 663 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,360 You fight to save the plan and the presentation of 664 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,160 inevitability with Labos is what makes him unforgettable and then 665 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:02,400 as you move into Chrono cross, the indirect sequel, Lavos is 666 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,240 very present and this right here. 667 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,560 I know this is you guys aren't going to see this very well. 668 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,880 This is the frozen flame, which is a Shard of Lavos and it is 669 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,400 the Big Mac guffin, if you will, in Chrono cross and Lavos in 670 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,760 Chrono Cross is actually grabbed Shala and has harnessed her 671 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160 power. So now Lavos isn't just a space 672 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,960 tick, he is eternal with her and commands every timeline 673 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,000 imaginable. So not just like the straight 674 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120 linear timeline, like every timeline. 675 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,480 He is called the time devourer at that point. 676 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,240 So Lavos is way bigger, way stronger, way more inevitable 677 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,480 come chrono cross time. And ultimately that's your bad 678 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,320 guy. And Lavos being that that force 679 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,200 that I guess space tick if we're going to downplay it is a big 680 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,040 reason why Kernel trigger became one of my favorite games because 681 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,560 it wasn't just a specific, it wasn't Kafka, it wasn't this bad 682 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,800 guy. It was this force. 683 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600 And you play that game and there are several encounters you have 684 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,320 with Lavos where he just wipes your party. 685 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,560 It's a it's a scripted battle, so you don't get a game over. 686 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920 But like, holy crap, how am I going to beat this guy? 687 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,520 You're telling me I'm going to I'm going to level up enough to 688 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,240 beat this guy toward the end of the game. 689 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:19,400 Forget it. I also have a special, special 690 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,560 shout out to another NES game. Do you ever play the game 691 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,640 Shadowgate, Jesse? No. 692 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,280 So Shadowgate is one of those story driven games where it's 693 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,120 just text based on the screen and you can do different things 694 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,880 with the screens that you're on and everything. 695 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,960 And it's Shadowgate, the force of nature, the castle itself, 696 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,520 the castle Shadowgate that you were in that was out to kill 697 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,600 you. There were so many ways to die 698 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,400 in that game because you clicked on the wrong thing or you did 699 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,960 the wrong thing, or you drank a potion that you didn't know what 700 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,720 it was. I mean, 100 ways to die in that 701 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:55,960 game. And it was so cool and it was 702 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,080 groundbreaking. And I after I finished the game 703 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,120 the first time, I played it a couple more times and 704 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,680 everything. And now I kid you not, I still 705 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,280 have the whole game memorized. I could probably speed run it. 706 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,280 Not like speed run TAS speed, but like I could probably beat 707 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000 that game in an hour hour and a half sitting if I needed to 708 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,360 still. Wow. 709 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,520 I'd probably die once or twice because I forget something, but 710 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,560 like that game is just burned into my memory. 711 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,400 Is one of the coolest games where the environment is out to 712 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,720 get you. Like there's a early on, there's 713 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,720 like a book that you can take off a shelf and like you're 714 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,600 leaning over assumed and you take the book off and the just 715 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,920 the concrete slab just crushes you or, you know, or if you 716 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080 click on the wrong thing that you slip and fall and die. 717 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,280 Or if you open the wrong thing, some slime goes and ET you know 718 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,720 it turns final. Destination the video game. 719 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:51,880 It's so cool. It's so cool. 720 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040 You'll have to look it up. And again, it's just an old 721 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,600 school NES game from 1987. The Shadowgate was awesome, 722 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,000 awesome, awesome. I love that game. 723 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,640 So Chrono Trigger one Shadowgate, special recognition 724 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,920 for for the entire castle being out there. 725 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,800 Like if you didn't light a torch in time, the screen goes dark 726 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840 and then you just die because you don't know where anything 727 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,160 is. So they assume that you fell 728 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,120 into a trap or something like so you have to worry about the dark 729 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:22,040 kills you, the dark kills you. What are you doing, Jesse? 730 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,040 Mine is. You mentioned environmental. 731 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,160 Mine is kind of environmental. It is not just one game, it is 732 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,240 an entire series, and that series is actually ATV show now. 733 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,600 It is the Fallout series from Fallout 1 all the way to Fallout 734 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,760 76 and the TV show to the whole series. 735 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,920 You face so many villains, so many bad guys, but really the 736 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,480 big bad of the whole entire thing is the world around. 737 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,120 So the big question I always, you know, thinking about Fallout 738 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:59,160 and and doing this podcast is would any of these villains 739 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:02,760 actually be villains without the world around them? 740 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,720 The world itself, the post apocalypse, the nuclear world 741 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:10,520 itself created them because I mean some of them they mutated 742 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,720 like I'm. I'm following. 743 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:17,040 Death Clause, Some of them are created because they're trying 744 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280 to survive. So Fallout 1 and Fallout 1, 745 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,240 Fallout 2 and Tactics. I didn't really play a whole 746 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,000 lot, but the Master is a iconic villain. 747 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,680 The whole the whole game. He was originally a guy called 748 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,880 Richard Gray. He's just an ordinary guy. 749 00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,520 And after being exposed to something called forced 750 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,520 evolutionary virus, the wasteland literally warped him 751 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:37,720 into the creature that he became. 752 00:39:37,720 --> 00:39:40,960 And it kind of warped him into something that that was 753 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,520 believed. The only way that humanity would 754 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,960 survive was to be this. And it wasn't like a cartoonish 755 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,080 evil. It was a twisted survival 756 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,800 strategy, like this is the only way humans are going to survive. 757 00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,400 This is what I have to become. And in Fallout 2, you have the 758 00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,080 Enclave, which from Fallout 2 all the way on, I think they're 759 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,480 in 76 a bit. But on paper, like you've 760 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,240 looking at lore, there were there were the remnants of the 761 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:11,720 US government, but in practice they become tyrants because they 762 00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,880 believe the wasteland was contaminated beyond saving. 763 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,800 And only they were pure enough to rebuild civilization. 764 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,440 So anyway, it's now Dan Clave has to die. 765 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520 Perfect. So they were shaped not by 766 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,760 survival, but by paranoia, by scarcity and fear of dying 767 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,920 themselves. And then you get into Fallout 3. 768 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,280 I'm skipping Tactics and Brotherhood, stealing all that 769 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,760 stuff. You have characters like Colonel 770 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,120 Autumn and even the Raiders themselves that you encounter. 771 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000 They weren't born evil. The Raiders were not born evil. 772 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,920 So I'm a certain of them probably were, but most of them 773 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,400 weren't. They're scavengers. 774 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,160 They're victims of the wasteland themselves. 775 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,800 They're trying to get food, they're trying to get water. 776 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,080 They're trying to get, you know, just survive. 777 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,080 And they have to turn to violence to survive. 778 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,200 So you haven't played three, but Megaton is as soon as you walk 779 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,680 out of their vault, Megaton is the first civilization you get 780 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,440 to, and they call it Megaton because in the center of Megaton 781 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,040 is an undetonated nuclear bomb. What? 782 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,520 The whole city is built around the whole bomb. 783 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,920 Why would they do that? It's amazing story. 784 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,560 So and you, you as you kind of go and you get the main Megaton 785 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,120 quest line and you go to 10 Penny and thing called 10 786 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,920 Penny's tower and he wants you to detonate the bomb and get rid 787 00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,800 of Megaton. And then obviously you have 788 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,800 people inside that don't want you to do that. 789 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,600 So you have this whole morality thing, you know, do you detonate 790 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,480 the bomb or do you let them live? 791 00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,840 And it kind of is built around your skills. 792 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,960 Like if you have the skill to your science skills high enough, 793 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,000 you can disarm the bomb as long as you try to disarm the bomb 794 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,680 and it blows up. Or you can set. 795 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:52,440 You can set a trap and charge. Go back to Tenpenny Tower and 796 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,120 watch the whole city blow up with with Mr. Tenpenny. 797 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,120 Wow. I've done both and then we get 798 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,400 to Fallout 3. Well, Fallout New Vegas is kind 799 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,920 of completely separate because it was made by a different 800 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,560 company. It was made by Obsidian, believe 801 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,480 it or not, which is the same people that did have vowed, but 802 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,160 it's it's very similar in in the stories, but I'm going to skip 803 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,960 to Fallout 4 because you have what in that is called the 804 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,840 institute. They were kind of robots in a 805 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,560 way that they're like, since they call them since so 806 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:30,080 synthetic humans. And they didn't hide underground 807 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,600 because they were just naturally villainous. 808 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,440 They hid because the world above them was too far gone. 809 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,520 Like they, they saw that humanity was gone and they 810 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,640 wanted to just hide and their experiments in Sith creation, 811 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,400 synth creations. As you play the game, the people 812 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,720 you're, you're, you're seeing like you, you go to Diamond City 813 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,400 and everybody is terrified of sense because people, they think 814 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,640 people are getting kidnapped and turn into sentence like people, 815 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,240 people like disappear and they come back and say they're like a 816 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,240 robot. They're different. 817 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:05,920 Wow. You can't tell because of the 818 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,200 human. So people are terrified of them, 819 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,800 but that was their way of trying to preserve humanity because 820 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,160 they they thought it was already ended. 821 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,560 So whether you see them as villains or saviors, it's how 822 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,640 you interpret their response to the environment. 823 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:23,080 And then you get a 76, which, you know, I it's not really your 824 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,680 traditional Fallout mainland like game because it's a MMO, 825 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,200 but you don't have a traditional villain at first. 826 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,440 You you face environmental threats like the scorch plague 827 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,840 because like people are turned into these zombie like things 828 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,600 because of a plague. They're not evil. 829 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,800 They're normal people that are victims of radiation, mutation 830 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,640 and disease. The world and the villains in 831 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,480 the game were just other survivals, survivors who just 832 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,760 had misfortune and they're trying to survive themselves. 833 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,200 So the whole series from start to finish and it's not finished 834 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,280 yet, but the whole series is doesn't give you someone to 835 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,760 hate. It gives you kind of understand 836 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440 all the villains from my perspective, because they're all 837 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,920 trying to survive and they're all trying to do what they think 838 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,200 is best to survive. So you have the Enclave, you 839 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,960 have the Master, the Raiders Institute, all of a Mr. House 840 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,320 from, from Fallout New Vegas. They're all trying to do what 841 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:17,920 they think they need to do to survive. 842 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,320 And it's it just creates such a good world. 843 00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,720 And the whole central theme, in my opinion, of Fallout 844 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,200 throughout the whole thing is survival demands cruelty. 845 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:34,000 Sometimes in in New Vegas and Mr. House, we still have Kizar, 846 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,880 you know, that his whole thing, he reverts back to tribal, just 847 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,440 pure violence to survive. You know, the strongest survive. 848 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,440 So I'm going to be the strongest and I'm going to kill anybody 849 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,200 else to prove that I'm the strongest. 850 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,720 And that's the whole lesson in my opinion that Fallout teaches 851 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:55,160 is that in a world destroyed by war, morality doesn't die 852 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,360 overnight. It's mutated, it's twisted, it's 853 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,000 adapted, just like everything else in the world. 854 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,600 That's really interesting because you know, we talked 855 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,680 about in our, our game narrative design episode, the world of the 856 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,640 Last of Us, right? And it's very similar. 857 00:45:10,240 --> 00:45:13,440 You know, these post apocalyptic worlds bring out the best and 858 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:17,720 worst in people and it's it's, it's out of necessity, right? 859 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,880 It's out of necessity to survival, to survival to survive 860 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,680 in this world. And evil finds different forms 861 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,640 in a post apocalyptic world, these people. 862 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,560 In fallout are actual people trying to survive to protect 863 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,640 their family and some are actual mutated people that have no 864 00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,120 other thing to do. Because I can't help it. 865 00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:40,720 That's right, the mutations I have. 866 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,080 That's right. So was it more fun, scarier, or 867 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,720 less personal than like this character driven villain? 868 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:52,800 To me, I thought it was in a way scarier because I thought it was 869 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:57,920 more realistic. I can totally see that 870 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840 happening. I can see shades of that 871 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,760 happening right now. And it's like if you know, I 872 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,160 always thought like, because Fallout 3 is like Washington DC, 873 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,280 Fallout 4 is Boston, and obviously New Vegas is Las 874 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,920 Vegas. I like to a tee, I thought New 875 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,240 Vegas was exactly what would happen to Las Vegas if something 876 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,360 like nuclear bombs went off like it to AT and just like walking 877 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,800 in three like walking. This is why I hope they remake 878 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,480 follow three. First is like walking through 879 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,960 the capital wasteland is what they call it. 880 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:32,160 Seeing the monuments, seeing like the Washington Monument, 881 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,600 seeing everything. It's like man, it's just in 882 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,440 ruin. And then like Raiders come out 883 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,640 of it or so you see someone like hiding in. 884 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,360 It's just it just to me, it was incredibly realistic. 885 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,080 It's cool because in that sense, it doesn't matter what the 886 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,720 monument represented anymore. Nope, it's just this is where 887 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,560 I'm. Represents now, yeah. 888 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,360 And then like the whole, like the other central theme is like 889 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,880 a whole like hump for technology. 890 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,840 Sure. I get an advantage on this other 891 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,360 tribe that's also trying to get an advantage. 892 00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,520 Like in Fallout New Vegas, there's the battle for the 893 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,320 Hoover Dam for electricity. Yeah. 894 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,760 You know, it's some basic things like that. 895 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,920 It's, it's very realistic to me and it's very, very scary 896 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,520 because 100% could and probably will happen eventually. 897 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,320 That's, that's insane. I can feel it as you're talking 898 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,720 about it, you know, it's like, God, I hope this doesn't happen 899 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,600 in real life. Yeah, that's one thing like the 900 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000 the TV show, it didn't really get into like a big city. 901 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,120 It was more like outskirts. But now in fault like the season 902 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,200 2 is going to get to New Vegas. So I'm very interested to see 903 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,400 how they how they do new. Vegas. 904 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:39,080 That'll be really cool. All right, it's time for trivia. 905 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,800 The the the Q trivia theme music. 906 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,480 No, I don't have trivia theme music. 907 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,600 Sorry. I'm going to go 1st. 908 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,280 And mine is villain themed for you, Jesse. 909 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,600 So this is this is pretty fun. I think it's a softball and God 910 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,160 knows we say this every time, but this one's in your 911 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,320 wheelhouse. And we just talked about this 912 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,640 villain. So we're piggybacking this in 913 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,480 Ocarina of Time. I know you haven't played that 914 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,240 one in a while. There we go. 915 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,720 I, I knew we were going to say that Ganondorf is the king of 916 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:12,960 what desert tribe? Gorodo. 917 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,760 Yes, the Garudo. The Garudo. 918 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:19,880 Garudo. Yeah, that's what it is. 919 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,560 So fun fact, Ocarina of Time was actually the first Zelda game to 920 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,480 introduce the Garudo as it was, and their big lore hook is that 921 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,440 only one male is born every 100 years. 922 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,200 And that unlucky guy in Ocarina of Time just happened to be 923 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,720 Ganondorf. So before that all the Zelda 924 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,560 games that predated it. You don't know the story of 925 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,640 Ganondorf. You don't know his motives other 926 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:47,200 than bad guy Triforce power trying to rule the the Hyrule. 927 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:53,040 And in Ocarina, they expanded on that and they they introduced 928 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,240 the tribe. They introduced the Garudo as a 929 00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:58,960 people, all the women. By the way, Grudo Valley, that 930 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,960 music from Ocarina of Time, one of the all time bangers of video 931 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,280 game music. Ganondorf was that one male king 932 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,280 of thieves. Yeah. 933 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,120 So good. Good snag there, Jesse. 934 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,280 That was really good. So Garudo is in Breath of the 935 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,680 Wild and they're in Here's the Kingdom. 936 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,360 So that's why I knew it, because it's mentioned in that. 937 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,880 Yes, that's why I was comfortable giving you that one 938 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,080 because I was like, even if he hasn't played Ocarina, I know 939 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,520 the lore dump is there in the in the the two latest ones. 940 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,760 So this one is also a villain for mine and is also something 941 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,360 that you've played and is also in your warehouse and I think it 942 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,080 is a giant softball. Which Marvel villain is the 943 00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:42,400 final boss in Spider Man? Miles Morales. 944 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,200 My God, it's been so long since I played. 945 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,880 That game, like what I said with Ocarina. 946 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,840 Miles Morales, not Spider Man 2. Not one. 947 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,240 Not 2 Miles Morales. Holy crap is it shocker. 948 00:49:53,240 --> 00:49:56,640 No, no, that's not my answer. Do you want? 949 00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,920 It's his friend, or is not. The friend's name like the real 950 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,000 name, not the villain name. No, I'm not going to get this 951 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,320 one, Jesse. It's the it's the girl, right? 952 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,320 It is the girl. What's her name? 953 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,560 She's not the Prowler. Nope, that's his uncle. 954 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,000 I don't remember her name. So her real name is Finn Mason 955 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,120 and her villain name is The Tinkerer. 956 00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,960 The tinkerer, man, I was never going to get that. 957 00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,440 You knew who it was, you just didn't know her official name. 958 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,200 I do because like. I would give it to you. 959 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,520 They build the tension up over the game so well, right? 960 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,880 Like she's coming to dinner at Miles's house and they're 961 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,720 hanging out and and then it's like, Oh no, she's got her own 962 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,640 agenda. Man thought like they were 963 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,160 getting romantic involved like they're that hinted, but yeah. 964 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,640 That game was really well done. All those new Spider man ones 965 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,240 are I'm I'm looking very forward to The Wolverine game. 966 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,160 You, he is my favorite all time, even more than Geralt. 967 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,040 Hero so. The Wolverine game is going to 968 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,280 be so quick. Quick aside, how does a 969 00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:05,840 developer create a Wolverine game for players to play that's 970 00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,800 still challenging when the character is virtually 971 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,800 unkillable? Yeah, I don't know. 972 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,760 Because I mean. Like, he, he, I mean, I guess if 973 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,920 you cut his head off or like in Logan, just shove a giant tree 974 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:21,240 through him. Yeah. 975 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:26,000 OK, so the, The Wolverine has to just age out in the video game 976 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,960 and his healing powers are diminished over 100 couple 100 977 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,040 years. OK, great. 978 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,640 You know? But it's that's always the 979 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,680 conundrum when when making a Wolverine game, it's like, well, 980 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,280 if we're going to stick close to Canon, it's like Logan's near 981 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,720 unkillable. And I'm interested too because 982 00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:43,400 it's the same people that made a spider man. 983 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,160 Yep. And the movement and spider man 984 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,760 is a central thing. I think him swinging through New 985 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:51,520 York City, well, I don't know what they're going to do with. 986 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560 Logan, it looks like they have him like adamantium wall 987 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:58,280 crawling up buildings. Oh, is there a gameplay for it? 988 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,640 I think there's some gameplay footage out there. 989 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,840 Off the look I've I've kind of been purposely not looking 990 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,440 because I I feel like I'm going to get disappointed. 991 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,400 I think that's fair. I think I'm. 992 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:12,440 Excited for that one. So segment 4, this one I came up 993 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,320 with directly. I didn't get any help, but I 994 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,560 thought this would be a fun one to go over because there are 995 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,640 Comic Relief villains in games and they're important for game 996 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,840 structure. So who are your favorite Comic 997 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,000 Relief villains? But mine, I, I, I know guys, I'm 998 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,560 predictable. It's a Final Fantasy game. 999 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,280 Who saw that coming? Nobody. 1000 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:36,120 It's Final Fantasy 8 though in particular, and it's Biggs and 1001 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,600 Wedge. Biggs and Wedge make their first 1002 00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,480 appearance in Final Fantasy 6 at the very beginning and they're 1003 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,920 basically obliterated in the first scenes, so OK, they're 1004 00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,680 there. Fun fact, Bigs and Wedge and 1005 00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,280 Final Fantasy were named for Bigs and Wedge from Star Wars, 1006 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,080 Luke's friends. Yeah. 1007 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,280 They were, they were named for them. 1008 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,120 So Bigs and Wedge and Final Fantasy 8 as the centerpiece. 1009 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,600 The gag villains are a couple of Galbadian soldiers. 1010 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,440 Who's Galbadia? What does that mean? 1011 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,920 It's just a faction of soldiers and they're running gag 1012 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960 characters and and each time they reappear, their ranks have 1013 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,360 been demoted. So each time you run into them, 1014 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,120 you beat them and then they're punished for it and they're mad. 1015 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,320 And the funny part with that is like the battles are always low 1016 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:20,760 stakes. They're they're not hard 1017 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,120 battles. It just makes their constant 1018 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,640 frustration even funnier because they are so underpowered going 1019 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,640 into this. They just, they are just the 1020 00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,000 butt of all of these jokes here. And it's like, you guys caused 1021 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:34,520 our demotion. We're going to thrash you. 1022 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,840 And they're like weaker than the first time you fought them. 1023 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,360 And the humor comes from the player being the reason for 1024 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,440 their downfall, not their incompetence, right? 1025 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,280 It's my fault that Biggs and Wedge got demoted because I had 1026 00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,280 to defeat them. And they're like these these 1027 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,920 perfect mini boss bad guys that it makes you smile. 1028 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,200 You see them because they they have distinct coloring. 1029 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,800 One of them's wearing a blue suit and others wearing a red. 1030 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,240 One of them's kind of more jacked, the others kind of thin 1031 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,920 and wiry. And it's just, it's really fun. 1032 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,880 And and and you see them pop up and you're like, oh Jesus, these 1033 00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,080 guys again. What is going to happen now? 1034 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,760 And like, it's great for early in the game, like they're so 1035 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,800 weak. And in in Final Fantasy 8, they 1036 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,320 had the draw system, which has met with a lot of debate from 1037 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,680 gamers and whether they like the draw system or not. 1038 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,120 To explain the draw system to you, Jesse. 1039 00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,560 So all magic in that game is drawn. 1040 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,480 What the hell does that? Enemies on the screen, you have 1041 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,840 to literally select a draw command and you suck the magic 1042 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,560 out of them. Yeah. 1043 00:54:33,720 --> 00:54:35,600 Yeah, not in draw like for the pencil, like right. 1044 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,400 Draw it out. Yeah, yeah. 1045 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,720 And you stock those spells and it's like RNG related based on, 1046 00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:44,560 I think one of your stats for how many spells you stock. 1047 00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:49,320 So if an enemy contains a Thunder spell and you draw from 1048 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,640 them, you may draw 3 or 4 Thunder spells. 1049 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:56,120 Now their pool is unlimited. So with Biggs and Wedge, they're 1050 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,560 so weak and one of them has a cure spell that you can just 1051 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,800 draw and cast immediately. You just drain them, fill up 1052 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,480 your draw spots, and then you continue with the boss fight. 1053 00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,600 And that's a strategy. And and that's a strategy for 1054 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,040 some other boss fights, but it's in particular fun with them 1055 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,160 because they keep talking smack the whole time. 1056 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,080 And every time they pop up, it's like, it's like the Leo DiCaprio 1057 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,040 meme that you see the. Yeah. 1058 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:19,720 Yeah, I was holding a beer. Yeah. 1059 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,960 Yeah, every time you see them, it's like, Oh my God, they're 1060 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:24,400 back. And then they appear in other 1061 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,240 games. So Biggs and Wedge again, 1062 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,920 obliterated very early on in Final Fantasy 6 and Final 1063 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,840 Fantasy 7. They're Avalanche members, 1064 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,840 they're good guys, They're on your team. 1065 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:39,000 They're let's not count Remake because for some reason Remake 1066 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:41,880 wants to keep them alive. In Final Fantasy 7 originally, 1067 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,800 they don't make it. In Final Fantasy 8, they're the 1068 00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,840 Galbadian officers, Comic Relief recurring villains. 1069 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,880 In Final Fantasy 9, they're airship engineers. 1070 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,520 In Lindblom, which is one of the main cities. 1071 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,280 Final Fantasy 10, they're Blitzball playing crusaders. 1072 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,280 You can recruit them to your team in Blitzball. 1073 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,200 In Final Fantasy 10 too, same thing. 1074 00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,600 They're Blitzball League staff now in Final Fantasy 13, they're 1075 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,120 there. So again, you get the there they 1076 00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,880 are. It's almost like the Sid thing 1077 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,480 in all the Final Fantasy games. In Final Fantasy 14, the MMO, 1078 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,840 they're engineers working for Sid. 1079 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,480 So there's like compounded stuff there. 1080 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,920 And in 15 they're members of the Lucian army during certain 1081 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,320 missions. So they they just, they're 1082 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,760 always there. They're eternal In Final Fantasy 1083 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,600 8, they're the butt of a joke. It's so funny running into them. 1084 00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,400 They have fun dialogue, no real recourse in in playing against 1085 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,600 them, fighting them. It's easy fights and it's just 1086 00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,000 funny. And if I ever make a video game, 1087 00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,200 I'm going to make villains just like them because it's 1088 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:44,440 hysterical. They're going to be the 1089 00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,240 recurring easy villain that gets demoted every single time you 1090 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:52,040 beat them. And quick shout out to Star Wars 1091 00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:56,520 the Rick the door technician. If you ever saw the the YouTube 1092 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,200 shorts on Rick the door technician. 1093 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,240 So you're playing the the newer Star Wars games? 1094 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,000 What the heck were they called? Why can't I think of it? 1095 00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:07,040 Jedi survivor or whatever. Yeah, Jedi Survivor. 1096 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,600 And thank you. I didn't have to Google it. 1097 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:14,000 We just jesseed it. And you get to this area and and 1098 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,800 this guy comes running at you screaming and a boss bar pops up 1099 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,320 and everything. He's running at you and it says 1100 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,360 Rick, the door technician. You're like, what? 1101 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,280 And you swing at him with a light Saber and you one shot him 1102 00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,400 the whole health bar. I started playing one of those 1103 00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:30,360 games. I haven't gotten that far I 1104 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,800 guess. The whole health bar goes and 1105 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,720 it's hysterical. You one shot him and you're 1106 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,320 like, what? And that's when you remember the 1107 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,720 developers have free will to do whatever they want. 1108 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,600 Yes they do. So that's a really, really funny 1109 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,840 one. That reminds me of I can't 1110 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,920 remember his name in the Witcher 3 but he's like this knight 1111 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:54,080 that's trying to get like. Oh my God, that you have to 1112 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,720 fight five times, Yeah. And he keeps coming back and he 1113 00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,360 loses every time. And he's just running away like 1114 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,720 kids to remind me. Of and you have the actual 1115 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,320 option to kill him. Yes, you do. 1116 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,760 I never do. I don't either because he's just 1117 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,200 a doofus. I never do. 1118 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,840 And that was in a Blood and Wine. 1119 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:12,320 Yeah, I think. Right. 1120 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,440 Yeah. And why these villains work is 1121 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,600 because comedic villains always keep the tone like light without 1122 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,480 breaking immersion. They always become beloved 1123 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,200 touchstones for players where you're like there's pigs and 1124 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:24,120 wedge. I love it. 1125 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,320 Yep. So I have two. 1126 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,440 First one is it's from a game series. 1127 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,160 I haven't really talked. I don't think to you about it 1128 00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,520 all. And that's it's not just from 1129 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,800 the game series, but I'm talking about the Joker from the Batman 1130 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,480 Arkham series. So we're talking like an actual 1131 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,720 clown. So he is like I, I thought like 1132 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,720 you have what's his face as the lead singer there of 30 Seconds 1133 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,640 To Mars that he was. A Jared Leto. 1134 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:52,520 Jared Leto. He, I think he tried to be this 1135 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,680 in some of those like Suicide Squad movies, but I don't think 1136 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,920 he hit on it. But it's dark comedy at its 1137 00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:01,160 finest in the Arkham series because he's absolutely 1138 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,720 terrifying. But he is so funny. 1139 00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:08,800 He's constantly cracking jokes. He's constantly taunting you 1140 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,480 because you're you play as Batman and he's just making 1141 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,040 light of horrific things that he's doing. 1142 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,600 Like it's like, oh, look what I just did. 1143 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,760 I just move this guy up. So fun fact. 1144 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:20,840 Slapstick, it's like twisted, it's sadistic. 1145 00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,800 It's it's very absurd. Do you know who voices Joker in 1146 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,240 those games? Mark Hamill. 1147 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,800 Yes. So that's. 1148 00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,960 That's one of my points is, is the voice, but it's it's with 1149 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,800 him. It's so unpredictable. 1150 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,160 Like you don't, you don't know if you should laugh or just be 1151 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,040 completely horrified about what he's doing. 1152 00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,560 Because 11 moment he could be joking about Batman and how he's 1153 00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,960 brooding and blah, blah, blah, and the next he's murdering a 1154 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,840 whole bunch of people. So it's comedy and menace. 1155 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:54,160 And the voice acting is really what gets it because he does it. 1156 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,200 He does the voice in the cartoons too, yes. 1157 00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,360 So he leans into the comedy just enough. 1158 01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:04,400 So even him being cruel, he still gets a laugh and it's 1159 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,000 entertaining and it's such an it's like a whole narrative 1160 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800 function with him. It's makes him bigger than life 1161 01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:11,560 and bigger than what he really is. 1162 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,720 He's almost mythic like you said before. 1163 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:18,600 And even when he's dying or when he's a hallucination, he's still 1164 01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,840 delivering 1 liners and it's always stuck in your head. 1165 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,320 And then my second one hold on A. 2nd So when I said the 1166 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,520 villains that just don't die that you can't kill the villains 1167 01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:33,080 like killing off Venom. This is why you should never 1168 01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,840 kill off the Joker because he is the perfect foil to Batman. 1169 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,600 He drives Batman bonkers. He's psychotic, he's hysterical. 1170 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,560 You don't know if you're laughing, you don't know if 1171 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,040 you're cringing, you don't know what's going on. 1172 01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,000 Why? Why would anybody ever kill off 1173 01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,120 a villain like that in a movie series, in a comic series or 1174 01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:55,360 anything else when you have golden opportunities for the 1175 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,880 Joker to do Joker things? Like, that's why villains like 1176 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,680 Joker are both comedic and the never die ones. 1177 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,080 You know, we could throw it all the way back to there. 1178 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,840 Joker's a perfect never die villain. 1179 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,840 I almost named it off at the beginning when I was talking 1180 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,920 about things. I was like, hey, no, no, I know 1181 01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,360 what Jesse's going to talk about later. 1182 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,040 And my second one is, is kind of along the lines of like, oh, you 1183 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,520 beat them when they come back, you beat them to come back. 1184 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,920 And it's Team Rocket from the Pokémon games and the card game 1185 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,320 that and the cartoons. And Jesse is is the girl. 1186 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,800 I'm not to be mistaken with me. And James and Meowth, they're 1187 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,080 you know, they're Pokémon. They are kind of the opposite of 1188 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,080 the choker. They're never really threatening 1189 01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,960 to you in any real match like any of your way. 1190 01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,240 They're just bumbling idiots with schemes that are just 1191 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,640 doomed from the start. And their whole comic, comic 1192 01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,040 comedic part isn't failing because they're always failing 1193 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,520 and everything's botched, you know, from stealing Pikachu or 1194 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,200 any other rare Pokémon they're always trying to do. 1195 01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:01,560 And they always end in some explosion or a pun or some 1196 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,400 gadget that malfunctions. And it's always predictable. 1197 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,120 That's always a punch line. And it's it's very sometimes 1198 01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:10,640 self aware because sometimes they break the false wall by 1199 01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:14,680 cracking jokes about the Pokémon world or exaggerating their evil 1200 01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,080 intentions. And just like with the Joker, 1201 01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,680 it's a narrative function. You know, it lightens the tone 1202 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,480 of somewhat sometimes very serious games because it's the 1203 01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,840 younger players are playing it and they never really feel 1204 01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,920 overwhelmed by the villain because they know it's they're 1205 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,120 like they're going to beat them and they're just they're kind of 1206 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,600 just to be there. And unlike Joker, who totally 1207 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,960 destabilize Batman with humor, Team Rocket kind of reassures 1208 01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,400 the player that it's fun, it's not grim, and they're gonna win. 1209 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:43,720 So. Team Rocket's an interesting 1210 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,400 one, right? Because Jesse and James and 1211 01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,480 Meowth are very much an anime and manga thing, right? 1212 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,000 But we do get a video game time because in Pokémon Yellow, 1213 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:58,120 right, Jesse there in that one explicitly inserted into that 1214 01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:59,240 one. That was the word I was looking 1215 01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,000 for. So while the slapstick and 1216 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,880 everything is much more from the anime and everything, Team 1217 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:09,360 Rocket is very much alive in the Pokémon games in that sense. 1218 01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,200 And it's not just Giovanni the the mastermind behind everything 1219 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,720 with his Persian, not a Meowth, which is a point of contention 1220 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,440 by Meowth in the series. Yeah, they're they're a fun one. 1221 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,400 And and what? What's their catch phrase? 1222 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,880 Team Rocket flies again. No rides again is. 1223 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,440 Blasting off again. Blasting off. 1224 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,520 Blasting off again. That's what I. 1225 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,400 Think yeah, and that's their crack as they're getting blasted 1226 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,640 into the sky through a Pikachu Thunder shock or one of their 1227 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,400 gadgets exploding or something else. 1228 01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,440 It's the best fun fact about me outside of like Aerial. 1229 01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,960 Jesse from Team Rocket was one of my my first anime crushes for 1230 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,320 sure. I had the Hotspur. 1231 01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,760 There's a weird redhead theme there too which is odd. 1232 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:57,040 I guess I like redhead animated characters or something. 1233 01:03:57,040 --> 01:04:01,600 Of redhead, mine from the earliest that I can think of was 1234 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,680 the Wendy's chick. I love it. 1235 01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,280 Yeah, that's embarrassing. Listen, we're old, OK? 1236 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,160 Very old. So do you think their humor adds 1237 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,440 like charm or does it undercut the stakes for? 1238 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,520 You the 2 ones that I mentioned, I think it adds to it like it is 1239 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:20,520 completely like Team Rocket is not really required for the 1240 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,560 story, but it makes it light hearted and it makes it doesn't 1241 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,480 makes you not take it seriously. Whereas without the Joker, I 1242 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,760 don't think there's I mean, there's other villains like Bane 1243 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:35,880 and the Riddler or whatever, but he it's just he is the Yang to 1244 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,080 Batman's Yang. Yeah, he's the. 1245 01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,000 Foil, right? He's the one that gets under 1246 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,160 Batman's skin more than any other villain, without question. 1247 01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,800 Even even when it like he, you know you're going to beat him 1248 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,680 and you know he's he's not going to succeed. 1249 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,000 But it's the unpredictability of it. 1250 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,360 Like you don't know what he's going to do next. 1251 01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,080 You know when he's going to pop up, you don't know what he's 1252 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,280 going to do. And it just makes, to me, it 1253 01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:58,040 makes it more fun. It really does. 1254 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,760 I agree. All right, last segment, the 1255 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,960 scary villains. So I went horror tropes here and 1256 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,440 I went PlayStation 1 horror. So long time ago. 1257 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:17,080 Yeah, my first one is a callback to 1998. 1258 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,640 I was 16 years old in a little game from Square before they 1259 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,320 were Square Enix came out called Parasite Eve. 1260 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,880 And boy, was that a good game based on a novel. 1261 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,440 I'm not sure if it was the same, same name or not. 1262 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:37,760 It's a Japanese novel. Parasite Eve is a story about 1263 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,400 mitochondria. And you're going, wait a minute, 1264 01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,000 wait a minute, Bob, are we going like, back into biology class 1265 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000 from high school? The mitochondria, you know, it's 1266 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,120 the powerhouse of the cell. It helps oxygenation and stuff 1267 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:55,000 so parasite it. Looks very familiar, I think I 1268 01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,400 might have played that. It's it was awesome. 1269 01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,840 Awesome. So the games kind of campy 1270 01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,360 overall because you're bouncing back and forth to different 1271 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,320 areas in New York City and everything, but the cutscenes, 1272 01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:10,320 the body horror still hold up. And like Eve, is this, this, 1273 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,680 this primordial villain, right? It's, it's, it's evolved 1274 01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:18,280 mitochondria and it's, it's the next evolution of human beings. 1275 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,560 And it's like a terrifying next evolution of humanity because 1276 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:25,640 she has control over regular people's mitochondria. 1277 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,160 So she has this immense power. Like one of the opening scenes 1278 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,560 of the the the game is when it's this character's power awakens 1279 01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,680 and she's an opera singer and people in the audience just 1280 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:40,400 spontaneously start combusting. She just triggered all of their 1281 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,880 stuff to to flare up all their mitochondria to fire at the same 1282 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,160 time, and they just spontaneously combust. 1283 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,960 There's another scene in in the Central Park Zoo where she shows 1284 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,920 up at a performance and, and the audience members turn into a 1285 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,520 ball of goo, you know, and just, you know, the, the cutscene, 1286 01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:02,280 it's like, you know, the guy's eye turns into Jelly and then 1287 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,400 it, it rolls down and it, this is all PlayStation 1 graphics. 1288 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,200 So, yeah. But like, that's terrifying even 1289 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,920 for a 16 year old. You're like, what in the world 1290 01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,200 is going on? And even as a player, you're 1291 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,440 like, again, this is another theme here. 1292 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,960 How am I going to beat her? Like, first of all, your 1293 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,400 character's immune. She's got some kind of a 1294 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,800 evolutionary edge here against Eve. 1295 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,720 Mutation or something? And she's able to survive this. 1296 01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,640 Turns out, you find out that she was also experimented on like 1297 01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,680 Eve was experimented on, just in a different way. 1298 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,600 So she again, the yin to the Yang, as you'd say, and you go 1299 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,600 through all of New York City and everything and she's Eve's main 1300 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,920 goal is to produce an offspring. And it's a very mature audiences 1301 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:52,480 game because like she raids a sperm bank to to find, you know, 1302 01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,800 the right, the right donor for herself to get pregnant. 1303 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,880 She does, she succeeds, she has a child. 1304 01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:04,440 The child is the final boss and it's just holy crap that the 1305 01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:09,920 game just it starts at an 11 and it stays there as far as like 1306 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:14,120 the horror, if you will. And of course, my second one, 1307 01:08:15,040 --> 01:08:17,439 it's just a call back to the Resident Evil series in general, 1308 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:20,160 but in particular the original game still is one of the best 1309 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,399 for me. I remember getting the Resident 1310 01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:24,880 Evil Director's cut. Hold on a second, sorry, you 1311 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,600 don't need to hear cold sounds from my sinuses. 1312 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,880 Director's Cut. And that game was so cool 1313 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,439 because the way they use the mansion, right? 1314 01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:34,760 You get that claustrophobic nature of traversing the 1315 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,960 hallways. You have the silence because 1316 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,479 there's not a ton of music in that game. 1317 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,240 The tension, the jump scares, the zombies just appearing 1318 01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,319 around corners. And then there's the that 1319 01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,000 hallway where the dogs jump through the windows at you. 1320 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,800 I remember that. Man, that that was just iconic 1321 01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,520 and and the mansion itself, just fully immersive dread. 1322 01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,600 Then Resident Evil 4 comes around. 1323 01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,760 By the way, Parasite, even Resident Evil 2 released the 1324 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,160 same year. Wow. 1325 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,160 Resident Evil 4 comes around, which is obviously the best game 1326 01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:05,960 objectively. I don't want to hear it. 1327 01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,200 And that stands out as a favor for me because it took that 1328 01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,399 formula and amplified it, the pacing, the enemies, the 1329 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,880 atmosphere, everything about that game, the lust Plagas, the, 1330 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,960 the parasite things and and they, you know, they turn the 1331 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,040 zombies into something a little bit more than than just lack of 1332 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,279 agency that they were controlling things. 1333 01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,760 They were hive mind. It was really well done and and 1334 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,359 Resident Evil 4 stands out to me. 1335 01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:32,399 And and again, like we've described in other other 1336 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:36,319 podcasts, the chainsaw guys and the gore when they get you and 1337 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:40,080 everything like that is horror to the letter. 1338 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,520 And and it was really, really well done and why these games 1339 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:47,200 endure, why Resident Evil 1 still hits for me is they hit me 1340 01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:50,279 at the right age when that fear kind of sticks. 1341 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,399 You know, Resident Evil 1, I was probably 15. 1342 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:55,800 You know, they're not just monsters. 1343 01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,080 They create this immersion in these games. 1344 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:00,160 There's so few games had from before. 1345 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,760 It's like Mega Man, you're just traversing side scroller. 1346 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,200 Metroidvania games, traversing side scroller with Resident 1347 01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,960 Evil, you're there. You are in that mansion. 1348 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:14,040 With your characters 3D. It was just, man, that was it. 1349 01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:17,120 That was pinnacle horror gaming for me, scary. 1350 01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,520 And I know you're taking a different approach to scary, so 1351 01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:21,880 why don't you hit us? And ironically. 1352 01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,040 You talk about Resident Evil. Resident Evil 9 was announced 1353 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:29,600 today Yeah, that the Nintendo Direct so I also have two and 1354 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,760 the first one is probably not what you would imagine or 1355 01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,040 describe as scary, but it's the guardians from Zelda Breath of 1356 01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,200 the Wild, so you probably didn't encounter them because. 1357 01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,800 I don't think you really got. I did. 1358 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,160 I got absolutely murked. Yep. 1359 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,000 So it's like the first time like and you'll never for even like. 1360 01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:49,800 Granted, you replay it, you know what to expect, but the first 1361 01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:54,480 time you come across a guardian and the music starts and the 1362 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,600 targeting noise starts. And that sound haunts me. 1363 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,760 The laser. Like what is that? 1364 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,440 And then boom, you're. Literally, you're absolutely 1365 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:06,320 just obliterated. And it scares absolutely crap 1366 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,600 out of you too. It's like you get anxiety when 1367 01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:11,200 you see an ancient thing in the ground. 1368 01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,480 Like it's not gonna pop out is it's gonna twist around and look 1369 01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:17,400 at me. And like the music for me, the 1370 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:20,680 music and the sound effects of it are what really drive it. 1371 01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:22,960 Because you could be running along on your horse or walking 1372 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,560 along and then you suddenly you start hearing it. 1373 01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:25,480 Like where is it? Where is it? 1374 01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:28,200 Where is it? And a lot of times, by the time 1375 01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,880 it targets you and you see the red dot on you, it's too late. 1376 01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:35,480 Really. It's too late because you can't 1377 01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:38,680 run anywhere and you can't get behind anything. 1378 01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,600 You're gone. And as the game goes along, you 1379 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,640 go against different type of guardians. 1380 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,960 You have some that fly, you have some that actually are on spider 1381 01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:49,920 legs that walk around. You have some that are just 1382 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,720 buried in the ground that their head just flips around and flips 1383 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,640 that. Yeah, that's what I remember. 1384 01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,320 They get harder and harder and actual like defeating him, like 1385 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,000 the actual battle itself before you get like over levelled and 1386 01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:04,440 you know, get all like the end game stuff. 1387 01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,800 It's incredibly, incredibly hard to beat them. 1388 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,320 Yeah, I remember like the first one I encountered. 1389 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,080 I was like, I have to beat this thing, don't I? 1390 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:15,600 So like, and when you get going, like you'll get to the point 1391 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,240 where you have like a metal shield and you can if you time 1392 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,720 it exact, you can deflect it and it will go back and hit them. 1393 01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,480 And or if you have a hiling and shield, you can just block it 1394 01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,040 and it'll just kind of reflect off. 1395 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:31,560 But it's even to the end, like even when you're at the end of 1396 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:34,520 the game, about to go against the final like incarnation of 1397 01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,240 Gandorf, it's still stress inducing to to come across one 1398 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,680 because you don't know if you mistime it, you're gone. 1399 01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:45,480 Absolutely. So part environmental, part 1400 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:49,040 villain, scary, part little bit of everything. 1401 01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:51,480 Those things are eternal. Yeah. 1402 01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:53,480 Then I, I can't remember. I haven't played tears and I 1403 01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:55,200 kicked them in a long time. That's my next to the play. 1404 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,800 I think they're on that too. And then my second one is, and I 1405 01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,040 always go back to The Witcher 3, another villain in The Witcher 1406 01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,560 3, but it's the Crohn's of Crook back fog. 1407 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,360 So this is the rest that I was going to come back to. 1408 01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:12,040 So they are absolutely terrifying because they are kind 1409 01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:15,040 of representative of the of like Slavic folklore witches. 1410 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:19,000 And like you have one that's blind with a cloth kind of sewn 1411 01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:22,800 over her eyes, if one that has a sack over her head and one that 1412 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,080 is just like this post grotesque, like big fat thing. 1413 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:30,480 And it's not just their looks that's really chilling. 1414 01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:34,160 It's how they control people. And if you if, if you remember, 1415 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,680 they manipulate children, they prey on the vulnerable and they 1416 01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,480 demand incredibly gruesome things. 1417 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,920 Ears. Yep. 1418 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:46,520 And they kind of blur the lines between protectors and predators 1419 01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,760 because they're like, we can protect you if you do this. 1420 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,560 If you don't do this, then you're going to incur the wrath. 1421 01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:55,480 And it makes the villagers kind of worship them as like a deity, 1422 01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:58,320 really. And the first time you meet them 1423 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,440 is through the tapestry, like the. 1424 01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:03,880 Part of the Bloody Baron quest, mind you. 1425 01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:06,800 It is. And if you remember how you see 1426 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:12,520 them and sometimes like shown, yeah, these three naked 1427 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,360 beautiful women and you're like, I as soon as I saw it, I'm like, 1428 01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:18,480 no, no, no, there's something wrong. 1429 01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:21,520 There's something wrong. This isn't right and it only 1430 01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,120 like it kind of just unravels into this grotesque reality of 1431 01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,840 what they are as you go along. And it kind of is like a fairy 1432 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,320 tale, kind of like of a Hansel and Gretel to me. 1433 01:14:32,440 --> 01:14:34,440 But it's something it just goes horribly wrong. 1434 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,560 And I love the whole storyline of them, how you like you have 1435 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,400 to fight them. You could like them live. 1436 01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,280 I think there's one where you can kill them and like you can 1437 01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,600 kind of. Choose one escapes. 1438 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,360 Yeah, 1 gets away, but they kind of help Siri in a way too. 1439 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:52,120 So it's like kind of morally Gray, but definitely more 1440 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,320 villain than anything in this one. 1441 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,840 They're so interesting in that, in that world, right, because 1442 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,040 they're kind of like always have been in that area. 1443 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,760 That's it's not like one of those things where they just 1444 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,240 showed up 10 years ago and. They've always been. 1445 01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:08,800 There, they've like always been there, and that's just been the 1446 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,880 way of life for any humans around them. 1447 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,640 It's the the Crohn's. And yeah, we, we don't want to 1448 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,040 piss them off. And they know that they're just, 1449 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,000 they don't have any good motives, right? 1450 01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,720 Like in the saving of Siri, it's because she had elder blood and. 1451 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:29,480 They had only reason. Tasted elder blood in a long 1452 01:15:29,480 --> 01:15:32,520 time, you know, so like. But you're like and you're like 1453 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,440 strangely attracted to them because how they depict 1454 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,240 themselves when they're on their monster form. 1455 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,240 Yep. So it's like. 1456 01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,520 You can understand how some poor villager could get lured in, you 1457 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,240 know. Yeah, they, they also remind me 1458 01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,000 of the Greek Fates, like the, the ones that weave the threads 1459 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,760 and everything, because there's, there's three of them. 1460 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,960 There's Clotho, A lacacus and Atropos. 1461 01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:58,320 And it really reminds me of them too, because it's, it's kind of 1462 01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,920 that dynamic as I'm getting a tickle of my throat here. 1463 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:03,280 This is what I get for podcasting while I'm sick. 1464 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,880 It's kind of like the same dynamic, right? 1465 01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:10,480 They they control the fates of of that area and also like the 1466 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,360 nightmare quest, like the tree thing, Yep, that that was like a 1467 01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:17,720 fourth one or something at some point and they vanished. 1468 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,080 Yeah, wasn't. Didn't you turn out to be a 1469 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,560 werewolf or something? No, that was just guarding it. 1470 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:24,840 Right, that was guarding it. Yeah, I knew there was a 1471 01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:26,760 werewolf involved. There is a werewolf outside the 1472 01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:30,160 tree. But yeah, that story, it's just, 1473 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,040 and again, Witcher 3, the creepy factor with those guys, so 1474 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,800 awesome. Yeah, I'm I'm going to download 1475 01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,120 it on the switch to when I'm done here. 1476 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,200 Actually this makes me want to replay it too. 1477 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,800 So do you think modern games pull it off as well? 1478 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,520 Like or are modern game villains better? 1479 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,400 Or is it the writing like each era unique? 1480 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,480 Like how? How do you feel about modern 1481 01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:02,600 villains compared to the old school 8 bit, 16 bit, But you 1482 01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,960 know what I mean? Like is there's a difference. 1483 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,960 There's a. There's a big difference there's 1484 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,160 and I think the big difference is the modern ones have the 1485 01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:15,920 graphics and have the technology to really make anything 1486 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:17,880 possible. Yeah, whereas like you have the 1487 01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:21,200 8 bit stuff and even the PS1, like you're limited to what 1488 01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,640 villains and what the horror could look like. 1489 01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,040 Now you're not limited to anything. 1490 01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,480 Make it whatever you want. Like have you played any of the 1491 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:31,320 Dead Space games? No, but I don't think I want. 1492 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:36,240 To those are freaking terrifying and it's like you couldn't do 1493 01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,000 that. You couldn't pull that off in 8 1494 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,840 bit error because the little the creatures and the aliens, they 1495 01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:43,040 wouldn't look like that, right? If you wouldn't get scared of 1496 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,800 them right now, you can make it look like whatever you want and 1497 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,440 they're gonna look freaking terrifying because you can make 1498 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,760 them look like whatever. You want, I've seen clips of 1499 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,680 that game and it's at Nope, that's not for me. 1500 01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,120 Like even like the the Alien game where you're like hiding 1501 01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:57,840 from the alien and it knows where you are. 1502 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,720 Direction is that when you. Like the microphone on your 1503 01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:05,400 controllers active and if you make it like, Nope, no thanks. 1504 01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,040 I mean, horror games have a whole new feel to them now. 1505 01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:10,840 And it's it's really incredible. And you can't do that, like you 1506 01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,520 said in the old games, but you can write a really good villain. 1507 01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,800 You can still write a really good villain. 1508 01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,520 And that that's what stuck with me from the old games. 1509 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,000 So villains stick with us for different reasons, right? 1510 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,440 Some never die and become mythic. 1511 01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,480 Some burn bright and unforgettable as our one and 1512 01:18:27,480 --> 01:18:30,280 done's. Some are forces of nature more 1513 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:33,200 world than character, The Fallout Lavos. 1514 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,600 Some make us laugh, Team Rocket, the Joker makes us laugh and 1515 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:42,880 cringe, and some some scared us so bad as kids we remember 1516 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,520 decades later. Like Jesse said, I don't 1517 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,640 remember playing that game, but I remember that scene with the 1518 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,600 dogs jumping through the windows of Resident Evil. 1519 01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:52,600 That scene is iconic. So what makes a villain 1520 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,360 unforgettable isn't just how powerful they are, not their 1521 01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,000 strength levels. It's how they land with us as 1522 01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,520 players. And just like heroes, they 1523 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,440 become part of our gaming memories. 1524 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,360 My tattoos. I've shown off half of our 1525 01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:09,280 villains in tattoos tonight. They've clearly made an impact 1526 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,920 on me and the stories that we still share years later. 1527 01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,480 So we've talked about some villains tonight that we can't 1528 01:19:15,480 --> 01:19:17,280 forget. Now it's your turn, listeners. 1529 01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:19,680 Who's the villain that's stuck with you and why? 1530 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,440 Let us know in the comments. DM me, I don't care. 1531 01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:25,640 Let me know who your favorite villains are and why. 1532 01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,240 Why did they stick with you? And as always, Jesse, you have 1533 01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:30,680 any words of wisdom for us tonight? 1534 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,120 I do, and I wrote this down again because I'm getting old. 1535 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:35,680 I can't remember what I wanted. To do in a row. 1536 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,080 At the end of the day, villains and video games remind us of why 1537 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,880 we play in the 1st place. They challenge us, they 1538 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,720 frustrate us, and sometimes even make us feel something deeper 1539 01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,320 than victory. The best villains aren't just 1540 01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,640 obstacles, they're the reason the story matters. 1541 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,360 Without them, heroes are just people wandering around. 1542 01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:59,480 And with them we get. We get legends. 1543 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,360 I love that. I love that. 1544 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:03,760 Well, thanks for listening tonight, everyone. 1545 01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,480 Be awesome out there. We'll see you next time.