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Welcome to the Gamer Dad podcast
where we talk about all things 

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Magic the Gathering and gaming. 
We strive to make things fun, 

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fit into our busy lives, 
families, keep things casual, 

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and show you how you can too. 
I'm gamer dad Bob. 

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I'm gamer dad Bob. 
You know that guy? 

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A 30 year Magic Gathering 
veteran who has played formats 

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from legacy to standard to 
commander. 

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I like Harry Potter, but before 
you crucify me in this opener, 

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take a step back for a second. 
I cannot and will no longer be 

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supporting anything JK Rawlings 
doing. 

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She doesn't get one more cent of
my hard earned cash. 

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I've hit my absolute breaking 
point. 

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I actually hit it months ago. 
Do you remember like that cigar 

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smoking super yacht selfie that 
she took like, Yep, almost like 

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the, I love the smell of napalm 
in the morning sort of thing. 

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Like it was her supervillain 
selfie and and that was that was

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the, the turning point for me. 
I was, I was absolutely done. 

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I remember talking to my wife 
about it. 

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I was like, we're done here. 
We're just done here and I'm 

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Jesse Hoagy. 
I'm also a 30 year Magic the 

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Gathering vet. 
I'm a gamer and a two time girl 

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dad and I just want to know what
to do. 

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Music. 
Everyday there's some new 

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controversy with a brand or 
person I admire. 

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What's next? 
Keanu Reeves? 

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Henry Cavill? 
You can tell me the Henry really

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isn't built like a Greek God and
he's just an AI image that we've

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been seeing. 
If so, plug me into that matrix 

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and teach me Kung Fu because I'm
on board. 

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Henry, remember this podcast is 
sponsored by you the listeners. 

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So heading over to Patreon and 
subscribe there. 

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You can find exclusive content 
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The only place you can get the 
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then it's gone and off to 
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Subscribers to Patreon also get 
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our podcast recordings. 
I'm also going to start treating

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Patreon as my own little 
personal blog. 

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I'm going to be putting some 
bits and other some fun stuff up

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on there as well. 
And Jesse, you have creator 

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access now too. 
So if you you want to have your 

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own subsection, that is all 
yours, so check it out. 

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See. 
Hoagies really bad. 

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The guitar riffs. 
Also, don't forget to stick 

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around for our flavor text or 
song lyrics at our midway point.

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Will Jesse try to trick me with 
stuff that's on my recent 

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playlists, or will he hit me 
with some really obscure flavor?

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OK, now with all that out of the
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So here's the thing. 
I did not think I'd be here 

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talking about sleeves, but it's 
August 2025. 

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Ultimate Guard just fully 
admitted to using AI tools to 

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extend art on deck boxes. 
Dragon Shields still silent on 

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their past Harry Potter 
merchant, Oh, by the way, still 

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has character and actor sleeves 
for sale as of this recording in

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their store. 
And neither one of them seems 

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particularly interested in 
addressing the why behind 

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people's frustration, especially
from trans folks and their 

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allies. 
And I wasn't going to say 

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anything. 
I was waiting. 

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I gave these brands space to 
talk, but now I've seen what 

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they're willing to say, what 
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That's actually louder, by the 
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I'm done waiting And, and this 
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This hurts me. 
I grew up with Harry Potter and 

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until recently I, I'll admit I 
couldn't define what a turf was.

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I didn't know. 
I, I'm literally the 43 year old

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old dude Googling turf. 
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Not turf war. 
And I was like, oh gosh, what is

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this? 
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know, and you may not, it's a 
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By the way, TERF. 
It's an acronym meaning trans 

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exclusionary Radical feminist, a
shorthand to describe one cohort

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of feminists who self identify 
as radical and are unwilling to 

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recognize trans women as 
sisters, unlike other feminists 

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who do. 
Wow. 

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Not cool and not cool. 
I'm not trying to underplay that

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by saying not cool either. 
Here's the other thing I use 

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ultimate guard gear. 
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It's been helping me a ton, but 
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also do not like environmental 
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God. 
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have I joked whenever we use AI,
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another sloth in the rainforest 
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It's, I've been saying this I 
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recent report, like there's a 
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that uses more electricity than 
all of Vermont and New Hampshire

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combined. 
Come on man, I went to college. 

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One single data center 1. 
I want to believe in good 

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intentions here. 
There's there's just some point 

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when silence becomes a stance. 
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we're sitting here trying to 
figure out if our sleeves, yes, 

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our actual card sleeves, My 
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And card boxes. 
Are going to get us blacklisted 

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for not being loud enough fast 
enough, right enough in social 

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media. 
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It's it takes so many cycles of 
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Should I not be saying 
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What does my silence mean? 
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It really is exhausting. 
So this episode, it's going to 

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be messy, it's very personal, 
and it's not going to end with 

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an easy answer. 
And finally, I'm not here to 

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pretend that I've always had 
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I'm here because I'm learning. 
And maybe if you're listening 

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now, later, maybe you're 
learning too. 

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And really quick before we dive 
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everything here, just to be 
clear, we're not both sides in 

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anything here. 
But turfs are bad. 

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Trans rights are human rights, 
and that's not up for debate in 

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this podcast at all. 
We're not upset. 

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People are angry. 
A lot of people have ever reason

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to be. 
And what we are talking about is

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how hard it is to keep up, you 
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to support the right creators, 
to speak at the right volume. 

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And those expectations shift 
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Goal posts. 
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And this isn't a call out, this 
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This is just a reflection and 
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If you're still with us, you 
know, talk about what happens 

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when we're doing the best still 
doesn't feel like enough, you 

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know, and it's, it's so hard to 
keep up with. 

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It's very hard to. 
Keep up it is and and we're not 

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full time creators either. 
So you know, we scroll through 

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blue sky and other social media,
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And there's a common thread 
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wanted to talk about this stuff 
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standpoint. 
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what's happening right now. 
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text, so I apologize in advance.
So Ultimate Guard issued a 

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statement. 
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It was this week, I think it was
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About using Adobe's AI extension
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So let's read this word for 
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Earlier this month we saw a post
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AI use in our Halia and 
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box. 
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flip and trade deck box is. 
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conducted an internal review and
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claims. 
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unfortunately here. 
Let's, let's keep going. 

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Let's see how unfortunate it was
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When adapting 2D card art for 3D
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Our review found that in some 
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a feature called an Adobe called
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Upon further research, we also 
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number of other products in 
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We deeply value the artists we 
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the trust of the community. 
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no longer use Generative filler,
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process for Magic the Gathering 
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Period. 
Notice what they didn't say and 

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any that were in production have
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no future AI assisted Magic 
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be made or sold by Ultimate 
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We recognize that the heart of 
this issue is a concern for the 

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livelihood of artists 
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Ultimate Guard wholeheartedly 
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To that end, we have been 
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Time Team of illustrators and 
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We also commissioned unique art 
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community, a practice that has 
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Ultimate Guards DNA. 
Thank you for your understanding

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and continued support. 
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That I got first, I thought it 
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And then I read it again and 
it's like that last paragraph is

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like basically saying we're not 
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extend it, we're going to extend
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And eventually we're going to 
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going to be able to recreate 
this so I don't have to pay 

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artists anywhere at all. 
That's how I read it too it it 

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screams you caught us energy. 
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And it's like how many things 
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they use this for? 
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I guarantee there is no one's 
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And how many other brands are 
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It's not just them. 
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really just said, well, oops, 
Magic the Gathering, oops. 

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We're, we're, we're, we're going
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They they the the implications 
here as I'm I'm looking at this 

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for for God, I've lost count of 
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The implication here is that 
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We're not saying we're not going
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A lot of not said stuff that's 
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So they're pivot. 
Well, we're not paying original 

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artists still. 
We're just going to hire 

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internal people to extend the 
art it to me and I ski did this.

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What the hell is blue sky? 
Ski. 

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Ski did this. 
I was like, I was like, so why 

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not just compensate the artist 
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You know the the one in question
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couple 100 bucks I would have 
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They didn't ask. 
They didn't ask and and I was 

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quiet on blue sky until Ultimate
Guard said something because I I

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feel like places deserve a 
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It's my understanding that 
Ultimate Guard has had a 

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practice of some bad behavior 
that I'm now seeing as this all 

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unravels. 
I I'm just not that close to 

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everything. 
So that statement of theirs flip

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the switch for me and all all 
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I used to be a big supporter of 
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Man the amount of different card
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I'm shopping around now. 
I just got the rock guards and 

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today they literally just came 
in today and I literally just, I

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got almost all of my commander 
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sleeves and now it's like 
Flitch, I gotta do it all over 

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again. 
Right, that that's the crazy 

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part. 
And I'm a big supporter of AI. 

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It's it's been helping me a lot 
in my job. 

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It's been helping me a lot in 
life and other things and this 

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isn't it. 
This is not the way to use. 

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AII don't think anyway is to use
AII do not like AII only have to

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use it because of my job, but 
this is definitely not it. 

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I am you were there along with 
my logo journey for for all my 

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content stuff. 
I did AI first. 

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I didn't think about it. 
I didn't think about what, you 

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know, what this did to people. 
And then it's like, OK, we're 

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talking about it. 
Brought it to my attention. 

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We started and we went down that
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it's not theoretical. 
It's about who's getting paid 

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for the creative work. 
It's not. 

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And I just got all this the 
content, the not the I the 

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graphic stuff from Holy MTG for 
my my channel. 

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And there's no AI that could 
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Like it looks so good. 
There's nothing AI that could 

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have made that. 
And you paid an artist for 

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that's, that's the important 
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So here's the other thing. 
Ultimate Guard got on a call 

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today with people. 
I guess they're the people that 

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they sponsor and everything and 
man, they're they're losing 

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creators so fast. 
I've seen a couple yesterday, 

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Sam wristic studies. 
Sam said he's dropping them. 

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Carlo MTG today said he's 
dropping them. 

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It's it's a matter of time 
before they start losing a lot 

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of their their base on on 
ultimate guard here. 

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But, and it's I didn't read 
Sam's thing, but was it because 

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of AI or was it because of Harry
Potter? 

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Now you're putting me on the 
spot. 

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I don't remember. 
I know Carlo was Harry Potter, 

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which is a completely different 
issue than AI. 

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Let me see if I can find what he
said. 

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Effects today have resigned from
working with Ultimate Guard as I

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can no longer support the 
company's creative or business 

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decisions. 
I think it was a blanket 

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statement. 
Probably both. 

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That's smart. 
Sam's done with both. 

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That's smart. 
They're still ultimate guard. 

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Not only are they moving 
forward, those house theme, the 

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Harry Potter house theme deck 
boxes, they're already out in LG

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s s in the wild. 
So they they said screw it, they

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went to print and we're selling 
them and that's that. 

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They didn't do any distancing. 
That they're, they're thinking 

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probably from a purely financial
standpoint like we paid how much

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money for the license it and we 
want to make that money back. 

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Right, right. 
And and. 

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Oh, by the way, let's talk 
about. 

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By the way, this episode's 
called The Quiet Elephant in the

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Room. 
I thought that was a very 

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apartment title. 
Yeah. 

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Dragon Shield previously sold 
some Harry Potter house sleeves.

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Not previously. 
Those are no longer for sale, 

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the house ones, but Jesse did 
some research. 

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Tell us what you found. 
They're still selling stuff 

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under on their website. 
It's like the character faces. 

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It's all the Harry Potter stuff.
It was I think 1699. 

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And it's not like it's a 
reseller, like an Amazon selling

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like a reseller selling it, 
right? 

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It's so I can chill directly on 
their website, right? 

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Right. 
And do you have you seen 

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anything from them about it? 
No. 

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And where's the the outrage for 
that? 

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It's weird, right? 
Why are we not attacking them 

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right now for a missing a 
complete opportunity to yank 

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that product? 
Holy cow, ultimate guard fumble.

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Let's make sure that we don't 
have any Harry Potter stuff 

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still for sale except for our 
actor Hermione Ron Weasley Harry

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Potter sleeves. 
Well, we'll still. 

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Sell. 
Sell Harry Potter. 

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Sell that. 
And last I checked, Rowling gets

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paid on that as. 
Well, so, and I'm skipping to 

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another point here, but you 
mentioned like, where's 

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everybody's outrage on that? 
What about other brands? 

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Like what about Lego? 
There's Lego Harry Potter stuff.

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Lego hair and and there's so 
many of us that love Legos. 

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I love Legos. 
Do people boycott going to 

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Universal Studios in Harry 
Potter world? 

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Yeah, We both have the same 
thing that's all like behind us.

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We. 
Got the tall neck behind us 

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here. 
You know, we, we like Lego. 

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What about Universal Studios? 
I tried the world. 

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I tried to go but I got COVID 
late 2019 I'm pretty sure and 

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Amazon. 
Walmart, they all saw official 

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Harry Potter merch, Kohl's, Alex
and Ani. 

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I I stopped looking at when I 
got all that many brands. 

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Are you telling us, Jesse, that 
it's very hard to ethically 

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consume products? 
It is because like I have an HBO

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Max subscription. 
Well, sorry, it's not. 

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I don't think it's called. 
Is it called HBO? 

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Max. 
I don't know what that was 

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called anymore. 
I. 

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Think it's back to HBO Max. 
It was Max and now it's back to 

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HBO Max. 
They have they have rights to 

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play Harry Potter. 
Should I not watch HBO Max 

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anymore? 
I don't. 

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I don't know what to do there. 
Yeah, this, the Harry Potter 

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thing hurts for me. 
It was just part of growing up. 

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You got to realize we're in our 
40s, right? 

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We are in our early 40s, Jesse 
and I. 

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So Harry Potter was prime in our
formative years, college years, 

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when that came out, so I 
remember. 

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It was on my campus anyway. 
It was like Team Harry Potter or

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Team Lord of the Rings, so it 
was quite funny. 

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But like that, that was just 
ingrained in our culture. 

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So the books, the movies. 
I've bought so many official 

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movie props for my wife because 
she loves Harry Potter. 

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This one hurts more emotionally.
Like it's such a gut punch that 

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that such a fun world was 
created by such a terrible, 

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terrible person. 
And and, but honestly the AI 

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stuff still makes me angrier. 
And it's it's interesting, too, 

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because Harry Potter was so 
inclusive. 

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It was. 
In the world. 

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There was also shades of 
anti-Semitism with the goblins 

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and and and some other other 
weird stuff going on, but 

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everybody was like, Oh, you can 
overlook it. 

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Wizards, magic, he he he 
fictional characters that is 

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just interlaced with 
anti-Semitism. 

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So there were signs if if you 
know, 1820 year old Bob knew 

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better, if he was a bit more 
seasoned in life, you know, and 

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people growing up now all of 
that is out there for them to 

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consume. 
And no early Internet stuff for 

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us. 
I wasn't finding out that Harry 

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Potter was the goblins were 
were, you know, symbolic. 

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No idea. 
I know that I, I tend to read 

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things at face value first. 
That's why I failed English. 

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OK, I didn't fail English class,
but that's why I got criticized 

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when I was reading poetry. 
And they're like, you're not 

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supposed to read it literally. 
And I'm like, why not? 

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It was, it's it's tough. 
So there, there are no clean 

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choices in cardboard capitalism,
Magic Gathering, right? 

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There's no such thing as clean 
consumerism period anymore. 

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Jesse just rattled off a bunch 
of stuff. 

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I still buy things from Amazon. 
So do I, I just did half an hour

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ago. 
Walmart. 

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Yep. 
We get a big chunk of our food 

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from Walmart. 
We have to. 

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It's affordable. 
But being ethical is no longer 

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just about what you buy. 
It's about what people think 

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your purchases mean. 
How do we navigate? 

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That. 
Yeah. 

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Because like, I have katanas on 
my my cards. 

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Does that mean I support JK 
Rowling? 

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No, doesn't mean I support AII 
like sleeves. 

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They like that all. 
That doesn't change the fact 

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that the sleeves are good. 
Yeah, but. 

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By purchasing them, that means 
money is going to check out 

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Rowling. 
In a roundabout way, it does 

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now. 
Somewhere, yeah. 

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I never liked Dragon Shield 
sleeves, if you recall, even 

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back when we were first playing,
I tried to avoid them. 

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I I was playing with ultra pros.
I was all Dragon Shield, that's 

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all I was using. 
And then you showed me the 

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katanas, and I switched to 
katanas mostly because locally 

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all the LGS is around me. 
That's all that carries dragon 

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Shields, so they're so easy to 
get. 

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Yep, yeah, the ultimate guards 
coming right from from Europe 

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most of the time. 
And let's be honest, those 

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katanas were the go to high 
quality, reliable. 

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They've been our favorite for 
the last, what, 2 years now? 

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Look, look at the Prof you know 
he put out a video comparing 

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sleeves and what were his top 2 
katanas and dragon Shields. 

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Yep, and and if you weren't 
already using those, you were 

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definitely curious. 
Yep, that's what made us pay 

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attention to it. 
So now, like I said, I'm already

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experimenting with other sleeve 
brands I've got, I mean, I've 

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literally got like game 
gamegenic ones here. 

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I've got rock guards on on other
stuff. 

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I'm trying to find sleeves that 
I like now, which is, which is a

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challenge in itself and I don't 
want to. 

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That shuffle man it's so hard to
shuffle like 100 card deck 

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already. 
Yep, you don't want the sleeves 

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to lay down. 
And I don't want to sound like, 

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oh, poor me, Bob has to find 
different sleeves. 

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Guess what? 
I'm going to find different 

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sleeves. 
I'm going to find ones that I 

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like. 
The market is saturated and we 

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can so. 
Many sleeves out there. 

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And we can choose, we can vote 
with our wallet here and and I, 

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I intend to. 
It's like I said, it's not just 

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the sleeves either. 
It's sleeves, It's deck boxes. 

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It's like Game Genic is really 
stepping up on a lot of their 

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deck box stuff. 
Yep, Yep, I. 

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Have I Want the Rock Guard or 
whatever it is nerd gaming a 

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playmat thing behind me too, 
along with the sleeves that came

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in today. 
So there's so many out there. 

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There's so many options and I 
think that is another important 

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thing is that it is easy to 
pivot if things are going South 

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if you don't resonate with a 
brand for any reason. 

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If if a brand has gone nuclear 
like ultimate Guard with the 

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stupid stuff that they've been 
saying and the things that 

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they're not saying, we can pivot
and we should. 

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Here's the other thing. 
I'm not burning my other 

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ultimate guard sleeves. 
No, the Cortana. 

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I'm not burning them for 
practical reasons. 

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Like think about like the 
chemicals, like if if I burn 

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them and you know, or if you. 
Throw them away. 

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You know, it's like I literally 
have a bulk box behind me. 

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That's. 
There's three rows. 

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Two of those rows are full of 
sleeves because I don't want to 

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get rid of them because it's. 
I don't want to throw them away 

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because it's bad for the 
environment. 

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But we don't need to erase the 
past here. 

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I think it's important that we 
the, that we, we move on though.

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You know, I I will use these 
sleeves until they're no longer 

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useful to me and I will get new 
ones. 

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I have two boxes of Ultima 
Guards I haven't opened yet. 

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I don't plan on opening them. 
I have one back there. 

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Maybe No, it's a deck box. 
You know there. 

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There's no no more of this. 
Ultimate Guard is the best. 

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The katanas are the best Talk 
that that that is a line that we

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will draw. 
I'm boring Jesse over here. 

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No, it's the it's 9:00. 
Everybody's getting up early now

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because of school. 
Yeah. 

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And here's the other thing about
the market, right? 

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We most of the Magic the 
Gathering community, at least in

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the creator space that that we 
bump elbows with Jesse, right? 

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What seller are we not using 
anymore? 

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No, I will not use TCG player 
ever again. 

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You know that that hits close to
home for me. 

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Right. 
Syracuse is like an hour and a 

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half away from me. 
You know, I used to go to 

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Syracuse all the time when I 
lived over that way. 

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And, you know, them closing that
plant instead of, you know, 

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letting them unionize, it 
affected 200 people, over 200 

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people's jobs. 
So manipul, man. 

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I mean, they came at a great 
time. 

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They have a great site. 
They have a great shipping tool.

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That they have the best optimize
that screw anything else. 

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Like their optimizer is better 
than TCG players on a on a good 

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day. 
Like their bad day is bad. 

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It's not even close. 
Not even close. 

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So they came out a great time. 
You know I. 

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Freaking love manapool. 
I I've got another order out for

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another deck that I'm building 
already. 

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I can't stop. 
I said I was going to stop and 

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and I I. 
Just say here, I was just going 

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to say you said you're going to 
stop. 

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I can't freaking stop. 
I have another deck coming, 

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Jesse. 
No company safe. 

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And, and let's also be crystal 
clear on this, billionaires are 

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the problem. 
They are so many problems. 

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This is just one of the many 
problems that they create, but 

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yeah, they are. 
Billionaires are part of the 

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problem here. 
Amazon, groceries, clothing, 

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everything. 
Just who profits? 

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00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:19,720
Billionaires. 
The billionaires that's. 

455
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,600
Really it's, I mean, obviously 
the billionaires are top of the 

456
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,200
problem, like they're the heads,
but really just the whole money,

457
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,560
like all the like, make money no
matter what is the problem. 

458
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,000
Like the whole capitalist, the 
whole capitalist way, the United

459
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,280
States is the problem. 
It's funny, my wife and I talk 

460
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,840
all the time about billionaires 
and it's like the second you hit

461
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,240
a billion, good job, you win 
capitalism, you now have to 

462
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,640
donate the rest of your money. 
There should be no billionaires.

463
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,680
Like, we'll put up a statue in 
your honor. 

464
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,360
You won capitalism. 
Good job. 

465
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,480
I I mean, you don't get to be a 
billionaire a second time. 

466
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:59,840
There are no good billionaires. 
There's no simple good or bad 

467
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,520
list either anymore, right? 
As as we've already beat to 

468
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,440
death. 
I still shop at Walmart, I still

469
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,040
like Legos, I like Amazon. 
I use Home Depot as my primary 

470
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,040
hardware store. 
What's wrong with Home Depot? 

471
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,240
They're political affiliations 
and and the lineman's Jesse are 

472
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,680
are. 
What about Lowe's? 

473
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,160
Way right? 
Next to me. 

474
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:21,520
Right. 
They're they're not good. 

475
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,840
So I mean, this is the crux of 
it, right? 

476
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,800
You saw, if you're watching, you
saw the literal Jesse. 

477
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:28,880
I roll over that. 
Yeah, yeah. 

478
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:33,200
Because it's like, well, what 
the hell, What am I supposed to 

479
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,520
do here? 
There are some like there are 

480
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,000
some pretty hard limits for me, 
like I used to be a huge NASCAR 

481
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,480
fan, we both used to be. 
And honestly like I stopped 

482
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,880
watching when the the stage 
racing kind of started or. 

483
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,000
They were like throwing 
attention. 

484
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,400
Cautions. 
And then my final nail in the 

485
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,760
coffin was the Let's Go Brandon 
crap. 

486
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,480
Granted, that was like, that was
Xfinity, but after that I'm 

487
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,040
like, no, like I have not 
watched it at all. 

488
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,680
Like maybe I'll catch like the 
final ten laps of a race. 

489
00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:05,680
So that's it. 
Like I don't pay attention 

490
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,240
anymore. 
Yeah, just because of all the 

491
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,680
political. 
Crap, yeah and and the worst 

492
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:14,240
part in all this in I live near 
Raleigh, NC, I am in the. 

493
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,600
Center of Charlotte. 
I am in the center of NASCAR 

494
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,440
land. 
Yep. 

495
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,840
I'm close. 
I'm, what, 3 hours away from 

496
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,720
Watkins Glen? 
Yeah, I, I went to New 

497
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,160
Hampshire. 
That was a couple hours away. 

498
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,840
There's got to be 5 or 6 tracks 
within three hours for me, yeah,

499
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,560
3-4 hours there's got to be. 
There's 100%. 

500
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,760
You have Bristol, you have 
Richmond, you have Charlotte. 

501
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Martinsville. 
Mountain Martinsville, That's 4.

502
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,200
Is there a track in Atlanta? 
Yeah, Atlanta. 

503
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Yeah, that's that's, that's six 
hours. 

504
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,640
I mean, we are in the heart of 
NASCAR country and my kid loves 

505
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,560
race cars. 
We got to bring them at some 

506
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,440
point, right? 
Yeah, yeah. 

507
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:56,600
Just make sure you have 
earmuffs. 

508
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,680
There's no good or bad list 
anymore. 

509
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,280
Every purchase we make feels 
like it comes with baggage. 

510
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,800
What do we do about that? 
Yeah, because every purchase 

511
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,280
goes to a company that's run by 
a billionaire who donates to GOP

512
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,160
like that, like it all, it all, 
like every rich person seems to 

513
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,200
be that way. 
And and I don't want to hear 

514
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,520
from comments or anything. 
Well then just buy local. 

515
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,560
I do, yeah. 
I love to patronize local 

516
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,520
places. 
I I would love it. 

517
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,440
I knew every chance I get. 
Like my wife and I like we 

518
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,760
rarely like this is a simple, 
very simple like pizza. 

519
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,880
We rarely buy any pizza chain. 
The only time we will is when 

520
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,400
our girls are, you know, 
complaining they want stuff for 

521
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,280
us because there's no local 
place that does that. 

522
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,240
But we usually buy local. 
We always buy local. 

523
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,520
Patronize your local places. 
That helps. 

524
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,480
Everything I would buy is local 
if I could, but they're all 

525
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,120
closing because of big chains. 
Yep. 

526
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,600
So like luckily here, like we 
have, we have a place called Mr.

527
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,560
B's that is like an Arby's. 
An Arby's actually got run out 

528
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,000
of town because everybody went 
to Mr. B's when they left. 

529
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,760
Wow. 
That's one of the very rare ones

530
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,680
where it's flipped. 
I would love to play or buy 

531
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,960
local but they're a they're 
closing and B when they're not, 

532
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,920
their prices are double what 
everybody else's. 

533
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,920
It's hard. 
It's incredibly hard. 

534
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,280
This is heavy. 
This is to to quote Marty McFly 

535
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,680
here. 
I mean this is heavy Doc. 

536
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,640
There's something wrong with the
gravity in in the in the. 

537
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:33,000
Future yeah, this this is heavy.
They're they're it doesn't feel 

538
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
like there's a right answer no 
matter what we do. 

539
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,600
And if you were to bring boilers
down to the NTH degree and, and 

540
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,640
nobody has because there's no 
comprehensive list, it's not 

541
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,400
possible. 
It's just not a thing. 

542
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,240
Where, where could you shop? 
What could you buy? 

543
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:52,720
There's some point, nothing 
aligns with your values, your 

544
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,120
ethics, your morals. 
It's it's a horrible situation 

545
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,440
in the world that we're in right
now. 

546
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,400
I don't like it. 
So what are we doing about this?

547
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,880
Where do we draw the line? 
And it's not always the same 

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,240
line. 
So here's the thing. 

549
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:16,280
Since becoming more visible as a
creator, I now have to draw 

550
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,960
clearer lines, right? 
I may be small. 

551
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,080
I've got 77 whole followers on 
my Twitch channel. 

552
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,040
I've got. 
I have 27. 

553
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,040
I just hit 400 on Blue Sky this 
week. 

554
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,520
I have, I have no engagement on 
blue sky, but that's 400 

555
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,680
different pairs of eyes that see
what I'm posting or not posting.

556
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,920
I have to draw clearer lines. 
And that's not out of fear. 

557
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Don't mistake that. 
That's not out of fear. 

558
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,200
It's out of awareness. 
And that's, that's where it's 

559
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,400
different. 
I'm not not saying things or 

560
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,640
saying things because I'm scared
to or not scared to. 

561
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,520
It's because I am so hyper aware
of the current political 

562
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,760
climate, the current climate in 
general, what's going on? 

563
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,440
I listen. 
Literal climate. 

564
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,400
I read posts, I listen. 
I listen to our our friends. 

565
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,960
Everything we do is under the 
microscope now, even the quiet 

566
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,160
choices. 
Right? 

567
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480
I'm going to go to Magic on 
Atlanta with ultimate guard 

568
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,120
sleeves. 
Do you think people are going to

569
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,080
judge me? 
Maybe. 

570
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,520
I mean, sleeve wise, let's be 
technical. 

571
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,160
There's no branding on the 
sleeves, so you won't know 

572
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:28,960
unless you shuffle them. 
Like I will know when I shuffle 

573
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,440
them. 
But there's going to be ultimate

574
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,720
guard booths, I guarantee it. 
Yeah, I wonder how that's going 

575
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,120
to be. 
I'll take a picture for sure. 

576
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,800
Like for sure, I'm, I'm very 
curious how that's going to be. 

577
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,400
As I get older, the maturity and
awareness that I didn't have in 

578
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,040
my 20s and 30s is just piling 
up. 

579
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,520
It's that combined with how much
information we have access to 

580
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,640
now. 
That's true too. 

581
00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,160
I mean to be honest, like if 
Rowling wasn't so vocal about 

582
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760
her terrible views, we never 
would have known. 

583
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,960
Well, she she chose to be vocal 
too though. 

584
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,760
She did, but if the Internet, 
you know, social media wasn't 

585
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,600
there, would she have done in an
interview? 

586
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,520
Probably not. 
I doubted that. 

587
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080
Not early on. 
She didn't do it early on. 

588
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,120
She didn't do it till she hit 
that billionaire mark, you know?

589
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,200
Yeah, like it's, it's, they seem
to, I mean, you see it. 

590
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,600
They live with Musk and all 
those people. 

591
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Like they get rich, they some 
get brain damage or something. 

592
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,880
I don't. 
Know crazy, they get crazy. 

593
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560
I, I don't I don't understand it
for me now that I'm I'm older, 

594
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,040
more experienced and everything 
that, that maturity and 

595
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,680
awareness, it's also there. 
It's hard to describe. 

596
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
It's, it's just there now. 
I put myself in other people's 

597
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800
shoes way more often than I did 
even 10 years ago. 

598
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,200
You know, I have a family now, 
which makes a big difference. 

599
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600
I have, I have a 5 year old, big
difference. 

600
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,280
Everything that we do and 
experience helps change your 

601
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,680
perspective on things. 
And we're still growing, we're 

602
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,960
still learning, so. 
For me, this, I don't know if 

603
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,200
this is a good example, but 
before I had girls and before I 

604
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,560
was married, I never really 
thought too much about how my 

605
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,880
actions would affect women and 
that makes me sound like a 

606
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,600
terrible person. 
I probably was, but now it's 

607
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,840
like, how do I want the world to
be for my kids, my two 

608
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,440
daughters? 
But you've seen that. 

609
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760
You've, you've seen that. 
Recognize that. 

610
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840
Yeah. 
And you're you've changed. 

611
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,160
That Oh yeah, I'm completely 
different than I was before I 

612
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,800
had kids. 
And it's like I never saw things

613
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,480
through that that lens before. 
And now it's like, holy shit. 

614
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Now I have two girls that I 
don't want to have grow up in 

615
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,680
the world that I grew up in. 
Right. 

616
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,080
And what can I do to change 
that? 

617
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,840
And, and, and the other thing 
for me is I've, I've grown up, 

618
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,320
grown up and, and been in this, 
in this space. 

619
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,720
It's never been in my nature to 
judge others on their product 

620
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,160
choices. 
Ever. 

621
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,720
No. 
Like, yeah, that's that nailed 

622
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,080
it, right? 
For us, it's not Apple versus 

623
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Android energy, it's not Windows
versus Mac, it's not Linux 

624
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:13,040
elitism. 
We see everything and every time

625
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,360
a family member asks me as an IT
person, well, should I get an 

626
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,280
iPhone or an Android? 
What do you think, Bob? 

627
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,920
You do this for a living. 
What's my answer? 

628
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Who cares? 
Get get what you like. 

629
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,040
Get what you like. 
I literally have a device in my 

630
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,960
house that runs every operating 
system. 

631
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,960
I have one that runs Android, 
iOS, Mac, Linux, Chrome, 

632
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Windows. 
I have everything. 

633
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Granted, part of it was because 
I want to have the experience 

634
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,000
and be able to support it in my 
job, but I was like tinkering 

635
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,840
with it. 
You know what? 

636
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,280
They're all the freaking same. 
They're all the same. 

637
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,880
I can't judge people on that. 
Draco all. 

638
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Do the same thing. 
Draco and chat. 

639
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,080
I only judge the lewd anime 
girl's sleeves. 

640
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,520
OK, that's. 
Fair and the playmats. 

641
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,520
That's fair. 
And the playmats and the the 

642
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,400
shirts that people wear and then
the pillows they bring to anime 

643
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,880
conventions and. 
That's. 

644
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Never mind. 
People buy for. 

645
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,760
The vivid memories coming back, 
Drake, I appreciate that, I 

646
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,920
really do. 
People buy what works for them. 

647
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,160
That's always been my stance. 
It always has been my stance. 

648
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,880
So when Cortana sleeves were the
best for me, that's what I 

649
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080
bought. 
Yeah, we you, you convert. 

650
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,320
Like I said, you converted me. 
I literally switched 10 or 15 

651
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,760
decks over to them and now it's 
like son of a bitch. 

652
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Now I have all these sleeves 
that make me feel dirty when I 

653
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,800
use them. 
But again, the hardest dirty, 

654
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360
the hardest shift for me has 
been Harry Potter. 

655
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,640
And and I already mentioned 
this, right? 

656
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,600
I lived through the magic of the
first wave, the books, the 

657
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,800
movies of joy. 
But looking back now, like if I 

658
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,000
could go back and warn 18 year 
old Bob about Rowling, I'd have 

659
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680
never gone that deep. 
Never, never if I could have 

660
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,720
said, hey, Bob, you're this this
lady who created this wizard 

661
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,040
universe. 
She's a terrible person. 

662
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,520
She's a turf. 
It's it's very hard because my 

663
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,720
girls are at the age where they 
could start watching Harry 

664
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,000
Potter. 
What do you say? 

665
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,520
What do you say to a nine year 
old? 

666
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,040
A7 year old? 
How old's? 

667
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,400
How old's your oldest? 
9. 9 What do you say to a nine 

668
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,160
year old about I'm sorry honey, 
you can't watch this because the

669
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,960
creator of this is a terrible 
person. 

670
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,880
Lately it's been no why don't we
watch K pop Demon Hunters for 

671
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,480
the 100th time? 
Hey, listen, I'm on board for 

672
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,040
that. 
I'm on board for that. 

673
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Harry Potter was tied to joy, 
right? 

674
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,440
That's where it initially was. 
It was tied to joy. 

675
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,320
And, and for the younger 
audience, please bear with us 

676
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,120
and understand that I'm not 
saying it's OK, but please 

677
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,760
understand that younger Bob 
liked Harry Potter because it 

678
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,320
brought joy. 
It's just not cool anymore and I

679
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,360
have no intention of making it 
cool anymore. 

680
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520
No, like we, we. 
And it's weird too, because 

681
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,920
like, we own here. 
We own all the movies like we 

682
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,040
bought them. 
Yep, I own them. 

683
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Owns all the books. 
Yep, she bought them. 

684
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,480
What do we do? 
Should we burn our our past, our

685
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,639
history? 
I'm not burning books, by the 

686
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,040
way. 
No, no. 

687
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,280
And we already like the money's 
already gone. 

688
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,360
You know, personally, when I'm 
what I'm like for myself, it's 

689
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,080
teaching my kids better. 
Yeah, that's what we can do. 

690
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,199
That's what I because it's 
something I can do and it's more

691
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,320
of a like a personal thing, how 
you teach your kids and stuff. 

692
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,080
But like looking back at my 
childhood traumas and stuff I 

693
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,440
went through, like I can't fix 
that, but I can sure as hell 

694
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,360
make sure my kids don't go 
through it and they grow up 

695
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,600
better and they grow up, you 
know, a more diverse thinking 

696
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,880
way than I did. 
So that's you can control that. 

697
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,960
And watching a movie is not 
going to change that in my 

698
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,960
opinion. 
Buying new stuff sure as well 

699
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,000
because you'll get more money, 
which I'm not going to do. 

700
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Yeah, I I just can't do that, 
you know? 

701
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,800
And you and I offline touchdown.
Like what if I bought Hogwarts 

702
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,360
Legacy second hand? 
Yeah. 

703
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,760
Like because you're not, you're 
not directly buying it. 

704
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,240
You're like, say I bought it 
from you or. 

705
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,600
You're not buying it from the 
publisher. 

706
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,400
Say I bought it used from 
GameStop. 

707
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,040
That might be money. 
That doesn't go back to Rowling 

708
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:19,680
though, it goes directly to 
GameStop. 

709
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,680
Right. 
Because they already got it and 

710
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,000
they're reselling it. 
So is is is that is that OK or 

711
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,880
are we OK with a loophole like 
that? 

712
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,280
I mean, what? 
What do you? 

713
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,360
Do that sucks too because Hot 
Rock slightly was a great game. 

714
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,720
It was and, and I think we talk 
about this later. 

715
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,120
On Yeah, I know we're jumping 
around. 

716
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,000
We are, we are jumping around, 
you know, we, we can't support 

717
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,040
anything. 
No. 

718
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
And there's with games like 
that, there's a weird thing too 

719
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,320
of like player count too, like 
playing it like UPS the player 

720
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,280
count. 
It's so it's, yeah, it's messy. 

721
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,160
So, OK, I'm late to the Harry 
Potter issue. 

722
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,960
A lot of sis white dudes were 
it, it just wasn't on our radar.

723
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:02,120
I'm sorry. 
But we're learning now. 

724
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,360
It's it's unavoidable. 
And and I get why people are 

725
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,000
angry and that's part of what 
we're learning, why we're trying

726
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,080
to be better allies. 
We get it. 

727
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,560
I I can't directly put myself in
anybody's shoes here that is 

728
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,640
affected by this legislation. 
I can't. 

729
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,400
But I can listen. 
I can empathize. 

730
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,040
I can donate my time, money to 
causes. 

731
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,720
I can do all of that. 
That is what's going to make me 

732
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:33,360
a good ally. 
Not yelling out, you know, off 

733
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,440
the roof, rooftops. 
I wish I'll on her, you know? 

734
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Yeah. 
That. 

735
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,640
So on platforms like Blue Sky, 
there's there's pressure from 

736
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,600
trans creators and often 
rightfully so, right? 

737
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600
For us to do something for the 
sys creator side, it can feel 

738
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,080
like there's no win. 
If I'm quiet, I'm complicit. 

739
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,560
If I'm loud, I'm performative. 
If there's no pivot, if I don't 

740
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,280
do anything about Ultimate 
Guard, if I condemn, don't 

741
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,000
condemn them, I'm canceled, 
right? 

742
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,560
We're canceled. 
And it's, it's hard to for the 

743
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,440
creators that are sponsored by 
them. 

744
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,840
You know, granted, there's some 
that have come out and said, you

745
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,680
know, I'm not dealing with them 
anymore. 

746
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,480
But what about the smaller ones 
that maybe that's their only 

747
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,480
sponsorship? 
Or it is it? 

748
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,920
Maybe it's a big source of 
income for them? 

749
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:21,720
What are they? 
Going to do. 

750
00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:23,360
It's puts them in an incredibly 
bad spot. 

751
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,640
Incredibly bad spot. 
There's no, there's no silver 

752
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,320
bullet for that. 
And same with, like us, not 

753
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,280
like, what do we do? 
Like, yeah, like, I wish I could

754
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,000
go protest. 
I wish I could go do stuff. 

755
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,360
I wish I could donate more 
money. 

756
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,560
I have family. 
Like, when is it the point where

757
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,320
I'm donating more money than I 
am? 

758
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,920
Like it could go to my family. 
We have to show up. 

759
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,440
I think that's that's the 
important first step. 

760
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,840
We have to show up. 
We have to do what we're doing 

761
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,400
tonight. 
We have to have this 

762
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,920
conversation as awkward as we're
making it because again, just a 

763
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,880
couple of sis white dudes here. 
Yeah, it's incredibly awkward. 

764
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,480
Like, I don't know if it's 
coming across, but it's, it's 

765
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,760
hard because in like if you, for
me personally, if you hear more 

766
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,920
like pauses, I'm trying to think
without, you know, blurting and 

767
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,600
saying the wrong thing. 
But it's it's hard because like 

768
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,920
you said, we can't put ourselves
in those shoes. 

769
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,600
No. 
We don't know how it feels. 

770
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120
We're born with the privilege 
and and that's that. 

771
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,480
Yeah, I think we're incredibly 
privileged. 

772
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,000
We're white men of that are 
employed. 

773
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,760
I mean, being employed is a 
privilege. 

774
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,080
These days. 
I have the privilege of having 2

775
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,840
girls in the house, you know, 2 
little girls that I'm learning 

776
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,640
from everyday. 
It's not helping me. 

777
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,880
But we are very privileged and 
it's very hard to and. 

778
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,120
And here's here's the other It's
not my brand, my personal brand,

779
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,720
not gamer Dad Bob. 
It's not Bob's brand to post a 

780
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:50,600
big I'm quitting something 
thread on social. 

781
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,560
I'm not going to record a video 
about it. 

782
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,320
I'm not going to post a big 
thing about it. 

783
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,600
I'm going to put my time, my 
shifts quietly, right. 

784
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,560
I'm going to drop dragon shield,
I'm going to drop ultimate 

785
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,840
guard. 
That's that's just quiet stuff. 

786
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,480
But but quiet can come off like 
indifference. 

787
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,800
And that's, that's something I'm
really struggling with right now

788
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,000
because again, small creator 
here. 

789
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,480
I don't want people to see my 
silence as complacent. 

790
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,680
I don't want them to be like, 
well, Bob hasn't said anything 

791
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,000
about Ultimate Guard until his 
podcast. 

792
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:26,720
And then who knows who's 
listening to it? 

793
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Who's who knows who's going to 
listen to it? 

794
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,360
You know Draco is. 
After Yeah, Thanks, Draco. 

795
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Appreciate you being here. 
You know, we don't know who's 

796
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,400
going to listen to it. 
And then then they still don't 

797
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
know, right. 
And and do I have to shout from 

798
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,440
the rooftops? 
That's just not my brand. 

799
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,240
No, where where I was always a 
quiet person that still am. 

800
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,480
You know, I only drawing 
attention to myself, you know, 

801
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,160
personally, like when I find the
sleeves that I like, I will 

802
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,920
advertise them. 
I will say, hey, you know these 

803
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,800
is I love these sleeves and 
it'll be 1 post That's it. 

804
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,720
Yep, unless I get sponsored, 
which then I'll do as many posts

805
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,800
as they want me to. 
Same with like manipul, you 

806
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,560
know, I'll do as many posts as 
we we need to. 

807
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,400
Yeah, right. 
But I'm not the type of person 

808
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,080
and I'm not in the position to 
be that type of person because 

809
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,320
content creation is not my only 
thing, You know, I have a full 

810
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,920
time job. 
Yep, I work. 

811
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,240
You know what I mean? 
I'm lucky to work remotely. 

812
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:26,880
I can kind of make my own hours,
but I, I work, you know, that's 

813
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,040
not how my income. 
I get no income from streaming. 

814
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,680
I get no income from anything. 
Everything I just did for my 

815
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,120
graphics is all lost because I 
don't make any money. 

816
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,400
Yep. 
So same with you. 

817
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,720
Yeah, I was going to say I've 
I've been a Twitch affiliate 

818
00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,080
since December and I haven't 
gotten a payout yet. 

819
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,160
Yeah. 
It's not lucrative. 

820
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,440
It's fun. 
I enjoy doing it. 

821
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:48,120
I. 
Enjoy doing it. 

822
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,960
Yeah. 
Like, I enjoy, like sitting here

823
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,440
talking with you. 
I enjoy having Draco and chat, 

824
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,440
you know, giving us stuff. 
I'm not in this for the money. 

825
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,760
So the endorsements and 
everything else, the CYA, it's 

826
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,120
not as powerful for me and I 
don't have to right now, but I'm

827
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,800
still still going to quietly 
make some good decisions here. 

828
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,680
And again, that's such a hard 
position for the people that are

829
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,640
getting money from these brands 
because when it's on your 

830
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:18,600
livelihood, like if you get a 
sponsorship, that is your 

831
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:20,560
livelihood. 
What the hell? 

832
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,360
Are you gonna do? 
What do you do? 

833
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,920
Especially like, imagine if, 
like Ultimate Guard was our 

834
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:30,440
first big break. 
Yeah, imagine if this podcast 

835
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,200
was sponsored by them and it's 
our first big break and we have 

836
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,400
money to up our production level
to hire a full time editor to, I

837
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,560
don't know, something right. 
I, I don't know what their tiers

838
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,160
look like or what it would be, 
but imagine it was like a first 

839
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
major break. 
And then this comes along as 

840
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,720
we're small creators, we have to
drop them. 

841
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,800
We have to, there's no question 
there. 

842
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,520
And because we're already doing 
this on our own dime and 

843
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,200
everything else, we're just back
to there. 

844
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,840
And I think that's still the 
right stance to take, you know, 

845
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,080
because that was bonus. 
And this, this is our standard 

846
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:06,480
here, what we're doing right 
now. 

847
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,000
And we we're capable of this on 
our own dime and everything. 

848
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,760
So making that statement 
matters. 

849
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,000
We'd probably do it quietly 
because that's just our style. 

850
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,520
You know, we're not saying 
sponsored by whatever anymore. 

851
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,800
And this is all hypothetical 
anyway, because hypothetical 

852
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,520
we're not. 
We have no sponsors, just you 

853
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,960
guys, if you're joining our 
Patreon. 

854
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,080
So anyway, let let's take a 
break and I want to do our lyric

855
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,600
or flavor text for this time 
this month. 

856
00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,760
I still have two. 
I have, I'm looking at mine. 

857
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,960
I have more than two. 
I have a couple that are like, 

858
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,000
that's too easy. 
Oh, it's too easy. 

859
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,520
They're all too easy in my 
opinion. 

860
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,160
But. 
I have one that's too easy also 

861
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:45,920
and I I still want to do it. 
I mean, if you do your easy one,

862
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,280
I'll do my easy one. 
All right, and I think rather 

863
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,960
than reveal at the end, I think 
it's probably better given the 

864
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,840
the heavy, the weight of this 
podcast. 

865
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,080
We'll just do it in the middle 
here. 

866
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,480
I'll go first. 
So my my lyric or flavor text is

867
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:04,280
royal flames will carve a path 
in chaos, bringing daylight to 

868
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,320
the night. 
No idea. 

869
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,360
How's that easy? 
Sounds like flavor text. 

870
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,080
You want to think on it and then
read me yours. 

871
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,600
Sure, so I'm changing mine now 
because I thought yours was 

872
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,760
going to be easy. 
Every year that passes rings you

873
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,920
inwardly with memory and might 
wield your heart, and the world 

874
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,400
will tremble. 
I'm going to cross this off as 

875
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,120
you're thinking so I don't reuse
it. 

876
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,440
Does it sound like a Goo Goo 
Dolls song or something? 

877
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,080
I don't know, man. 
These are hard. 

878
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,600
We came up with a hard game, 
Jesse. 

879
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,880
Hey, it's fun. 
I think it's fun. 

880
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,920
Royal flames will carve a path 
in chaos, bringing daylight to 

881
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,160
the night. 
I read it at a different 

882
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:49,240
cadence. 
Does that help? 

883
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,080
You did that cadence sounds like
a song. 

884
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,880
Now I'm going to say a song. 
You've seen this band live, 

885
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:58,160
Jesse. 
I feel like it's Shinedown now. 

886
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,120
I've you know how many bands 
I've seen live? 

887
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,320
It's like 40 or 50. 
All right, so let me give you 

888
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,400
more context. 
I was sick and didn't make it to

889
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,840
that show. 
You just said that earlier on 

890
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,640
the podcast, didn't you? 
No, that was Universal Studios. 

891
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,320
Yeah, you sick and didn't. 
Disturb close. 

892
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,920
Who else played at that one? 
Alter Bridge? 

893
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,720
Who did you say was amazing that
night? 

894
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,360
I know what concert you're 
talking about. 

895
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,840
Breaking Benjamin, Avenged 
Sevenfold. 

896
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,400
Oh, Avenged. 
Yeah, because they had the 

897
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,760
opening. 
They they hung a guy like a fake

898
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,840
guy. 
That's hail to the King. 

899
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:36,040
Hail to the King. 
Yep. 

900
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,960
The. 
Cadence. 

901
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
The cadence was made it sound 
like you. 

902
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,280
You changed it and it's a song, 
right? 

903
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Yeah. 
I thought it sounded like flavor

904
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,640
text as I was, as I was thinking
about stuff, I was like, that's,

905
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:54,040
that would be cool that that. 
That's probably a white card 

906
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,720
just thinking. 
I was thinking white, like 

907
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,880
flames of like purity or 
whatever. 

908
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,640
Yep. 
So each year that passes rings 

909
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,120
your inwardly with memory and 
might wield your heart and the 

910
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,280
world with trouble. 
I tried to have a neutral 

911
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,800
cadence there. 
Yeah, he he gave it a neutral 

912
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,840
cadence. 
He's making a hard mode for Bob.

913
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,200
All right. 
It's a 5050. 

914
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,800
Hard mode. 
I don't know, I I think I just 

915
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,080
suck at this. 
The only time you I think the 

916
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,760
only time it was easy when we 
had the same one. 

917
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,080
Last time that was funny. 
Or two times ago. 

918
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Wherever. 
Yeah. 

919
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,040
You gave me ghost lyrics last 
time. 

920
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,760
Yeah, I'm going to go with 
flavor text. 

921
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,320
It sounds like some kind of card
draw. 

922
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,280
It is flavor text. 
Is it a blue? 

923
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:34,920
Car. 
Nope. 

924
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,760
Not a blue car. 
Dorian the siege tower. 

925
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,960
Dorian, the siege tower. 
Door in the siege tower. 

926
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600
I love it. 
The old original Absan 

927
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,760
commander. 
Door in the siege tower. 

928
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,800
Who attacks with his butt? 
He does attack with his butt. 

929
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,880
I love it. 
He slams you with his roots, OK.

930
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,920
Let's dive in and get serious 
again. 

931
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,560
That was a nice little interlude
there. 

932
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,280
The pressure to be loud is real,
is it not? 

933
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,600
It? 
Definitely. 

934
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,400
Feels like it. 
I've stayed very quiet until the

935
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Ultimate Guard stuff this this 
past week or so. 

936
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,400
Their response to the AI thing? 
Hollow, tone deaf. 

937
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,080
That was the turning point for 
me. 

938
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,920
I I don't know why, I don't know
why something snapped and 

939
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,200
triggered in me, but the whole 
start of that is what triggered 

940
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,680
me coming up with this podcast. 
Yeah, it did. 

941
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,880
And I was like, I was like, 
Jesse, we got to talk about 

942
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,240
this. 
It's not only is it relevant, 

943
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,280
but it's, it's this is, this is 
what needs to be said. 

944
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,280
And, and that moment right there
was where silence wasn't an 

945
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,440
option for me anymore. 
I just could. 

946
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,320
I can't, I can't. 
I have a platform. 

947
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:49,000
We have a platform, right? 
We have 20 subscribers or 

948
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,880
something on Spotify, so 20 
listeners. 

949
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,280
Out there? 
I didn't know that. 

950
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:54,520
Yeah. 
Nice. 

951
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,920
To all you 20 listeners out 
there who may eventually listen 

952
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,480
to this, right? 
This is our platform. 

953
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,440
And this is where silence is no 
longer an option. 

954
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,760
And it wasn't like because 
Ultimate Guard used AI. 

955
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,920
It's that they chose like the 
least human route, you know? 

956
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,760
Yeah, yeah, the the whole 
response, like I said, to them 

957
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,000
hiring their own artists, it's 
like, what the hell, man? 

958
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,600
Like AI is, is I had this point 
down. 

959
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,280
Like AI is going to become the 
norm eventually and it's going 

960
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,520
to be expected that they're 
going to be using AI. 

961
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,880
But I was saying we're going to 
use and hire our own artists 

962
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,360
instead of paying artists. 
I mean, I hope they're paying 

963
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,720
artists or maybe hiring their 
own artists is hiring their own 

964
00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,680
GPT. 
Like maybe it's hiring and 

965
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,960
making their own AI artists. 
Are we going to see like, are we

966
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:47,000
going to see job positions that 
are like prompt writer, like LLM

967
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,320
prompt writer, GPT prompt 
writer? 

968
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,680
Because I watched a video today 
because I just had my YouTube on

969
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,360
and it was just going to the 
next one. 

970
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,760
Like it was just suggesting 
stuff and one of them was how to

971
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,720
make ChatGPT better. 
And the guy said, I guarantee 

972
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,560
that IP for companies is going 
to be the the company's prompts.

973
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:08,320
And I am like, really? 
And then I actually like, I paid

974
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,800
attention to this video. 
I'm like holy shit I didn't 

975
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,880
realize how powerful your 
prompts are. 

976
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,400
Yeah, they matter so much. 
Like, so you're 100% right. 

977
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,480
Because the way he did it is 
like he said, once you get the 

978
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
way you want it to, like your 
e-mail to be created the way you

979
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,000
want it, whatever, tell it. 
Tell me the system prompt that 

980
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,760
would get me this result. 
Yeah, and. 

981
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,440
Then you could learn the white, 
white prompts, and then it's 

982
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,240
like people are going to start 
copywriting their prompts or 

983
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:36,240
something. 
Yeah. 

984
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,280
Prompt writer is going to be 
art. 

985
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,040
Too. 
We're going to see that job 

986
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,680
everywhere in the next couple 
years. 

987
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,680
Yeah. 
And that, that just kills me. 

988
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,520
Absolutely kills me. 
Anyway, Silence in our space 

989
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,240
used to feel safe just not 
saying things. 

990
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,280
Now I think silence feels 
suspicious. 

991
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Why aren't they saying 
something? 

992
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,000
What are they thinking? 
What? 

993
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,520
Are they hiding? 
Why aren't Jesse and Bob saying 

994
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,400
anything? 
What are they hiding? 

995
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,600
Do they? 
Do they feel the opposite of 

996
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,200
this outrage? 
Is that why they're not saying 

997
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,760
anything? 
If they're not saying anything, 

998
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,200
they must feel the opposite. 
That's how people think. 

999
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:17,640
That's how we're trained. 
That's how we're we're 

1000
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,520
conditioned to think these days.
It is. 

1001
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,040
It is because it's safer to not 
say anything sometimes no more. 

1002
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,520
And as a sis hat white dude, I 
keep saying this. 

1003
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:29,760
What's hat? 
Heterosexual. 

1004
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:31,920
I've never heard it like that 
way. 

1005
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,040
There's more risk in speaking 
than staying quiet. 

1006
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,160
Just based on our position, we 
will never be in some of those 

1007
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,800
shoes. 
No. 

1008
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,200
Never. 
So speaking is risky. 

1009
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Well, what do you mean, Bob? 
It's it's scary. 

1010
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,440
And that's all shifting, right? 
Because because not saying 

1011
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,000
something feels like complicity.
I don't, I don't know what to 

1012
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,760
do. 
I'm doing personally, I've done 

1013
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,120
like I put AI, never put 
political signs up at all. 

1014
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,360
I did this year. 
Yep. 

1015
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,360
To combat some in my 
neighborhood and I actually had 

1016
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,760
an old like 80 year old woman 
come up and ring our doorbell 

1017
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:12,240
and tell us thank you for doing 
it, which was we were so 

1018
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,160
terrified. 
I remember I was, I think I was 

1019
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,280
on the toilet or something and I
saw her get on my Ring doorbell.

1020
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,280
Yep. 
And I'm like, don't answer the 

1021
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,000
door, don't answer the door. 
But it was actually good. 

1022
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,000
And like, I don't log on to blue
sky to perform. 

1023
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,080
I'm terrible at at like 
engagement post. 

1024
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,960
Yeah, it's it's. 
ChatGPT tells me I'm terrible at

1025
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,320
engagement post by the way. 
It feels so fake and like forced

1026
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,200
for me. 
Exactly, and there's nothing 

1027
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,560
wrong with engagement posts, but
it's so hard for me to do stuff 

1028
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,080
like that. 
So I'm not on to perform. 

1029
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,360
Guess what? 
I'm also not on Blue Sky to do 

1030
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,920
or Twitter before it went to 
pot. 

1031
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:51,840
I'm not on to pick fights. 
That ain't me. 

1032
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,360
I don't have the energy. 
I didn't have the energy 10 

1033
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,800
years ago. 
Before we had kids. 

1034
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:03,040
I I'm not picking fights. 
I log on to Blue Sky to listen, 

1035
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,040
to learn, and that's my 
important take away right now 

1036
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,760
with everything that's going on.
So my silence, it's listening, 

1037
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:18,520
not complicity. 
And the outrage that's going on,

1038
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,920
often it's real genuine fear 
from marginalized folks, 

1039
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,880
Absolute, genuine fear. 
I mean, look at the latest news 

1040
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,160
out of Minnesota. 
With everything that's going on,

1041
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,920
the trans community has every 
reason to be terrified and we 

1042
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
have every reason to support the
trans community more now than 

1043
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,040
ever. 
What the hell is going on? 

1044
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,040
And that's so infuriating to me 
because it has nothing to do 

1045
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,000
with that person. 
The freaking guns. 

1046
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,880
The problem? 
Like the guns, the the 

1047
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,760
brainwashing of how everything 
is today, like the whole you got

1048
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,720
to be angry. 
It's just it's driving people 

1049
00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:02,160
mad and their orientation had 
nothing to do with what 

1050
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,680
happened. 
No, they were just freaking 

1051
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,280
deranged. 
I don't have a better way to 

1052
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,120
put. 
It no. 

1053
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,240
If JFK or whatever his name is 
has any saying, he's gonna say 

1054
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,320
it's the medication they were 
on. 

1055
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,160
RFK. 
Whatever his name is, yeah, he 

1056
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:17,560
doesn't deserve to have his name
said, right? 

1057
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,640
He's going to. 
He's going to say that it's the 

1058
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,360
medication they were on that 
drove him to it, and then 

1059
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,280
they're going to try to ban 
that. 

1060
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:24,280
You want to bet? 
I I will bet you money right now

1061
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:25,920
that's what's going to happen. 
It's horrible. 

1062
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,840
But it had nothing to do. 
And, and like, depending on 

1063
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,840
where you look, they spin it a 
different way. 

1064
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:33,720
Like one site will tell you it's
because of the religion, The 

1065
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:35,800
next site will tell you because 
of the orientation. 

1066
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,640
The next is because they don't 
like Trump. 

1067
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,720
It's like this person hated 
everybody. 

1068
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,000
But they sure did. 
Then they did clearly. 

1069
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,920
And guess what? 
They didn't get in the building.

1070
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,360
They did not get in the 
building. 

1071
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,520
They shot through the windows. 
So you tell me that the gun is 

1072
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,920
not the problem? 
Gun is the problem and they just

1073
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:58,840
had a knife. 
Would they have done anything? 

1074
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,360
No, because they're in the 
freaking building. 

1075
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,520
I don't want to make this about 
what what happened but people 

1076
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,440
have every right to be scared 
it's or mad. 

1077
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,200
I'm my kids go back to school 
next week. 

1078
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,080
I'm freaking terrified. 
I I my kid is starting 

1079
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,960
kindergarten for the very first 
time and I hate. 

1080
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,600
It now my wife's the teacher, 
she's going back. 

1081
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Yep, my wife's also a teacher. 
I hate it. 

1082
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,680
I hate it. 
Every time I get a call inside 

1083
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,560
of school hours from my wife, I 
tend to freak out. 

1084
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,600
Yeah, same here. 
I I I just don't know. 

1085
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:31,280
I don't like it. 
The creator anxiety is real from

1086
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,480
us. 
The small creator anxiety like. 

1087
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,520
Yeah, sure. 
It's nothing we do is right. 

1088
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,720
I'm sure it's palpable from this
podcast for, for those who are 

1089
00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:43,520
listening that and that fear is 
constant because Jesse and I are

1090
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,960
trying to build a space that's 
welcoming, inclusive, safe. 

1091
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,720
And you look at us and you go, I
don't know, are these guys safe?

1092
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:57,240
They don't say enough. 
The fear isn't necessarily what 

1093
00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,320
if someone calls me out for 
being bad, right? 

1094
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,000
It's what if I accidentally say 
the wrong thing or signal 

1095
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,040
something harmful without 
knowing? 

1096
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:09,840
Yeah, like, you know me, I joke 
all the time. 

1097
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,920
That's just my how I am. 
And I don't know how many times 

1098
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,840
I've joked about the wrong thing
and not realized it until after 

1099
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,400
it like I said it. 
And you need, we, we need, we 

1100
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,720
need people to pull us aside, DM
us or whatever and correct us 

1101
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:28,080
or, or, or, or level set us or 
pull us out of something. 

1102
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Bob, get your head out of your 
ass. 

1103
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,760
Why you talking about this? 
And I need understanding so I 

1104
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,560
can learn. 
We're not here to offend or 

1105
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,800
harm. 
We're here to learn. 

1106
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,480
We're here to grow. 
I mean, think about it, Jesse, 

1107
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,240
where we grew up in upstate New 
York, mostly white Christian 

1108
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:49,800
towns, right? 
Oh yeah, I, I was a little bit 

1109
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,440
better because where I was was 
right near the Army base, Fort 

1110
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,960
Drum. 
So there was a lot of non white 

1111
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,320
people there of all kinds of 
backgrounds. 

1112
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:03,400
So that definitely helped me. 
But yeah, definitely religion 

1113
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,040
wise it was Christian town, 
that's for sure. 

1114
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,320
I mean, I went to College in 
Vermont. 

1115
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,800
That helped open my eyes to the 
LGBTQ community. 

1116
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,760
Vermont's a great state. 
Enjoyed my time there, I learned

1117
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,520
a lot. 
My former resident director 

1118
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:26,360
transitioned from female to 
male, went from Audrey to AJ and

1119
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,560
the thing that pissed me off the
most about that? 

1120
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:33,400
Hold on chat AJ. 
Dude grew a better beard than 

1121
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,400
me. 
I was so mad about that. 

1122
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,960
It's like, why is your beard so 
good? 

1123
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,600
It's like, I don't know, you 
suck, Bob. 

1124
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,080
Sorry that that that's where my 
mind went right. 

1125
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,720
So it's not like, oh, that's 
weird. 

1126
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:48,880
They transition. 
No, it was why does AJ have a 

1127
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:53,280
better beard than me? 
What the crap, by the way, it 

1128
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,280
looks good, dude. 
And then I moved to North 

1129
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Carolina, which is in the 
Raleigh area. 

1130
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,160
It's a melting pot and I have 
learned so much from people of 

1131
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:08,720
color here that my whole world 
has has been upside down from 

1132
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:11,520
living in upstate New York. 
I'm so much more understanding. 

1133
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,360
And then let's add spaces like 
blue sky, like Wooburg sky. 

1134
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,400
They're all they're all helping 
us expand our perspective. 

1135
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,880
It's all helping because I'm 
listening. 

1136
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,200
I'm here to listen. 
You know it's. 

1137
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:31,280
Been It's been incredibly tough 
for me only because my dad was 

1138
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,880
every IST you can think of. 
Like he was racist. 

1139
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:36,720
You know he was. 
My father is too. 

1140
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,800
Misogynist. 
So that's what I grew up with. 

1141
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,840
That's like what I was told I 
had to be like. 

1142
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,080
We're still deep. 
Programming years of that, 

1143
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Jesse. 
It's it's insane. 

1144
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,720
Like I'm listening to, I can't 
remember any of the book, but 

1145
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:53,840
I'm listening to this book about
emotionally unavailable parents 

1146
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:58,320
and it's like, Oh my God. 
Like it's so revealing. 

1147
00:56:59,240 --> 00:57:01,840
It is so revealing, like the 
amount of trauma that we have to

1148
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,000
unpack. 
And it's like I saw a meme or 

1149
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,880
not a meme, a clip of like a 
bunch of glasses that were lined

1150
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,040
up and it was very thick 
colored, like red colored wine 

1151
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,160
or whatever. 
And it said this is the 

1152
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,000
emotional trauma of like 3 or 4 
down right? 

1153
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,680
It was a a bunch of wine glasses
or glasses and like the very 

1154
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
left most one was the trauma of 
like your great, great, great 

1155
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,800
grandparents. 
Oh, I've seen that. 

1156
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,280
And then and. 
Then it goes to your 

1157
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,120
grandparents, nothing changed. 
It goes to your parents, nothing

1158
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,280
changed. 
It goes to you, nothing changed.

1159
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,040
Unless said you realize what's 
going on and then it pours in 

1160
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:38,320
water to clarify it and it says 
like therapy and this and this 

1161
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,600
and then you pass it on to your 
kids and it's not there anymore.

1162
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,680
Yeah, it's more and more 
diluted, right. 

1163
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,480
Everything, everything is just 
deprogramming for us because 

1164
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,200
like I said, my dad was 
incredibly racist and he's 

1165
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:54,120
incredibly misogynistic. 
Like, like if I cried as like a 

1166
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,320
5 or 6 year old, he would tell 
me, I'm going to give you 

1167
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,640
something to cry about. 
God, he would smack me and. 

1168
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,720
Say, why are you crying? 
Men don't cry. 

1169
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,240
And it's like, my God, like it's
so much deprogramming that we 

1170
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,480
have to, like a lot of the 
younger people don't have to do 

1171
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,200
that 'cause their parents are 
our age. 

1172
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,920
Yeah, like they're, I feel old, 
'cause there's a lot of kids 

1173
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,120
that are in their 20s, that 
their parents are our age. 

1174
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,560
We're we're older parents with 
younger kids. 

1175
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,040
Is that the best way to describe
it? 

1176
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,560
I guess like we waited, like my 
oldest is 9, I'm I'm 42. 

1177
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,480
We waited a long time to have 
kids. 

1178
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,760
There's people I know that had 
kids right out of college, right

1179
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,080
out of high school somewhere, 
and their kids are already in 

1180
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,120
their 20s. 
Yep. 

1181
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,920
So they grew up already not 
having to deal with the trauma 

1182
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,200
because the parents didn't pass 
it on. 

1183
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,400
Maybe some did, I don't know, 
But a lot of it's debrogramming 

1184
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
for us. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1185
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:50,080
One of one of my big credos, 
mantras, whatever you want to 

1186
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,240
call it. 
Like it's just be good, do good.

1187
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,800
That's my compass. 
It's really simple. 

1188
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,120
Be good, do good. 
No, religion didn't teach me 

1189
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,120
that. 
That's just me. 

1190
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,640
Yeah. 
I'm just trying. 

1191
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:03,760
These days will not teach you 
that. 

1192
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,640
I'm just trying to be a good 
person. 

1193
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:12,560
I want to do good things and, 
and, and if I slip up, right? 

1194
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:18,440
If it's pronouns terminology, 
please understand there's no 

1195
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:22,040
malice behind it. 
There's none at all, right? 

1196
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:28,000
Pull me aside, DM me, help me 
learn, help Jesse learn. 

1197
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:32,000
Respecting names, names, 
pronouns. 

1198
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,880
That's just baseline humanity. 
Gender ID. 

1199
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,240
People can't friggin get that in
their heads. 

1200
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,040
I don't understand. 
It's not difficult and if you 

1201
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,000
don't know frigging ass I I just
don't understand it. 

1202
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,480
And and one of the coolest 
things that I think that I'm 

1203
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,640
seeing out of blue sky is that 
like in Wooburg sky, that 

1204
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,840
community, the queer community 
is leading in that space. 

1205
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,520
And I am learning so much just 
by listening. 

1206
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:09,440
So again, here as the sis heck 
guys in the room, we are not the

1207
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,080
default voice right now. 
We're we're not there, Jesse and

1208
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Bob. 
Privileged, but that's OK. 

1209
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,080
Here's the weird thing. 
I haven't seen other creators 

1210
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,800
cancelled over innocent 
mistakes. 

1211
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,960
So that tells me that this 
community is willing to teach 

1212
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,560
people to help them learn. 
The creators I have seen 

1213
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,400
cancelled, they've done some 
serious harm in the community, 

1214
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,840
right? 
We've seen some SA and and other

1215
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:38,600
things going on out there. 
Oh yeah. 

1216
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,360
That there's no tolerance for 
that. 

1217
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,640
There shouldn't be. 
That those are arrestable 

1218
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,640
offenses in my opinion. 
So yeah, they should probably be

1219
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,960
cancelled. 
And yet after all of this, that 

1220
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,080
I've said, OK, we still have to 
measure everything that we say. 

1221
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,120
And I'm still going to support 
causes. 

1222
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,440
I'm still going to donate. 
I am still going to be mindful. 

1223
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:02,720
It's just who I am. 
It's who we are. 

1224
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,160
But I. 
I'm the same, like I donate to 

1225
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,280
trans lifeline every year, you 
know? 

1226
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:09,600
I've donated multiple times this
year. 

1227
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,280
Yeah, that and then like 
whenever Prof has his, you know,

1228
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,320
fundraisers, I always donate to 
that. 

1229
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,200
It's but it's it's very hard to 
to know. 

1230
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:21,000
These shirts help help pay for 
it also. 

1231
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,320
I have one of. 
This year is this year's out. 

1232
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,080
I haven't seen. 
It yet did I? 

1233
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,800
Did I miss this year's one? 
I haven't seen it yet. 

1234
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,760
I've bought them the last two 
years, this is 2 years old now. 

1235
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:35,200
Yeah, but like I, I reposted 
ultimate guards post at 1st and 

1236
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,040
then I deleted it after I'd like
read it and like, wait a minute,

1237
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,600
there's between the lines here. 
I don't want to repost this. 

1238
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:42,480
Yep. 
So we're, we're, we're always 

1239
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,280
learning. 
You know, we don't, we're not 

1240
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,760
always going to get it right the
first time. 

1241
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:50,640
So here's where we're at as as 
we start wrapping up and and we 

1242
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,760
we enter our last segment here, 
burn the bridge but not the 

1243
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,640
binder. 
What the hell does that mean, 

1244
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:00,360
Bob? 
Don't pollute. 

1245
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,800
Give a hoop, don't pollute. 
The burning wood is better than 

1246
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:08,400
burning plastic. 
The Harry Potter movies are very

1247
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,240
much background noise during our
holidays. 

1248
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,960
They always have been, but 
that's all they are. 

1249
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,840
I'm not supporting this creator.
We just put them on. 

1250
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,520
I own them, physically bought 
them a long time ago. 

1251
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,880
I'm not streaming them through 
Disney, Netflix, HBO, wherever 

1252
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,920
the frig they're at now. 
Nobody's getting another dime 

1253
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,120
out of me on that. 
I mean if they. 

1254
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,800
If my kids want to watch them I 
will throw them on my Plex. 

1255
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,920
Then nobody gets any stream out 
of it. 

1256
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,640
We both played Hogwarts Legacy. 
Great game. 

1257
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,160
I thought it was really frigging
well done. 

1258
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,920
And we know that Rawling profits
off of the game. 

1259
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,960
We don't know how much that's 
undisclosed. 

1260
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,960
We don't know what percentage 
that's undisclosed, but what 

1261
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,640
about like, and Jesse and I have
talked about this offline a lot.

1262
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:00,520
What about the devs, the 
artists, the QA testers, the IT 

1263
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:05,120
staff, the people who are 
employed because of this game 

1264
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:08,000
that are able to go home and 
support their families or 

1265
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,360
themselves? 
Maybe they're single because of 

1266
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,560
this game, whatever, because of 
this game. 

1267
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,280
Now, should they have to 
ethically decide whether they 

1268
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,360
want to be employed or not and 
and survive, frankly. 

1269
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,160
So there's there's, there's more
nuance to this than good and 

1270
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,880
bad. 
The same with the movies too. 

1271
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,200
Like the production staff, like 
all the people that made the 

1272
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:30,200
movies they still get royalties 
out of. 

1273
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,840
It Yeah, what are we doing about
like the production staff that's

1274
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:36,400
freaking I'm going to have to 
get a Pendragon shirt. 

1275
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,760
Sorry, I'm just looking at chat 
Shiny squirrel. 

1276
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,040
Look what about the like the the
upcoming TV show? 

1277
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,600
Yeah, that that's where I was 
going. 

1278
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:45,280
Thank you, Jesse. 
I. 

1279
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,680
Knew it. 
Like, what about the people that

1280
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,800
are making that? 
Like, that's their life. 

1281
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,920
Yeah. 
Like the productions, Utah, like

1282
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,280
the production staff making 
those. 

1283
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,520
They don't make a lot of money. 
The actors, yeah, they, they do.

1284
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,600
The kids, you know, that could 
be the first acting. 

1285
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:02,280
Do we think these kids even 
understand? 

1286
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,560
They probably don't. 
Because I bet all their parents 

1287
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,120
see your dollar signs. 
Oh, I'm sure they're probably 

1288
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:09,840
all childhood actors. 
The parents are probably pushing

1289
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,320
them to do it. 
Like like the Ryan kid, the 

1290
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,880
YouTube and my kids always 
watch. 

1291
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,920
His parents are probably pushing
them to do it, but like, it's 

1292
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,400
all, they're like all collateral
damage. 

1293
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,720
Like nobody. 
It just seems like nobody's 

1294
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:24,360
thinking of that. 
And maybe I just just maybe 

1295
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,960
that's just my, you know, closed
off mindset on it, but it feels 

1296
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,120
like there's so much that are 
affected by it. 

1297
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:31,840
Yeah, just a surface level 
thing. 

1298
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,200
There's so like, it's an 
iceberg. 

1299
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,240
Like you have all the surface 
level stuff and then a whole 

1300
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,640
bunch of stuff underneath it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1301
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:41,120
I, I've said there's a bunch, 
like the Harry Potter stuff 

1302
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:42,640
hurts deeply. 
It was magic. 

1303
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,280
It meant something. 
Now I can't, I can't say 

1304
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,640
anything without risking 
blowback. 

1305
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:49,600
And please don't condemn me for 
supporting fictional Wizards. 

1306
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,960
You know, and I keep hearing, I 
keep hearing like, if you 

1307
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:56,000
support fictional Wizards, then 
you're part of the problem. 

1308
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,800
And that rhetoric feels really 
extreme and really scary. 

1309
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,440
Yeah, like I support Jennifer 
Vanderberg. 

1310
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,600
Am I part of the problem? 
No, but if you support. 

1311
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,080
She's a wizard. 
She's a wizard. 

1312
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,840
Harry Potter? 
She's a sorceress, Jesse, come 

1313
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:16,360
on, Sorceress. 
If you support Harry Potter by 

1314
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,600
consuming movies that you own, 
you're part of the problem. 

1315
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,560
Like I hear a lot of if you 
still like those stupid 

1316
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,360
fictional Wizards, you suck. 
OK, but can I just hate JK 

1317
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,920
Rowling and not give her any of 
my money? 

1318
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,200
Where's the line? 
Is there owning something and 

1319
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,800
then celebrating it? 
That's very different is they're

1320
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,080
watching something and then 
repeatedly streaming it, adding 

1321
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,120
to a revenue stream to use a 
streaming stream stream. 

1322
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:47,920
Like I'm not here to platform 
it. 

1323
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,640
I'm not recommending Harry 
Potter to anyone at this point. 

1324
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,960
I'm acknowledging it as part of 
my past. 

1325
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:59,520
Like there's this similar 
tension, tension right now and, 

1326
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,800
and in our current political 
climate and history debates, you

1327
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,680
know, what's being what's being 
done right now. 

1328
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,880
You can't erase the past 
entirely. 

1329
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,920
Because up to Trump, you could. 
You can't celebrate the harm, 

1330
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,000
either. 
Look at what's going on with the

1331
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,960
Smithsonian. 
I was just going to say that 

1332
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,200
like it was on the tip of my 
tongue. 

1333
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,480
He's literally saying the 
Smithsonian puts too negative a 

1334
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,880
light on slavery. 
Are you kidding me? 

1335
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:24,280
Yeah, really. 
What do we do there? 

1336
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,920
Like this is the same thing 
going on in real life and like 

1337
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,640
to the same extent, right? 
We want to tear down Confederate

1338
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,600
statues, but at the same time, 
we're not here to erase the 

1339
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,360
past. 
Those are two different things. 

1340
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,680
They can be two different 
things. 

1341
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,080
Our past was bad. 
Our past was terrible. 

1342
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,080
Harry Potter bad. 
Like nobody, like, like how many

1343
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,640
people bring up the fact that we
came over to this country and 

1344
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,480
murdered everybody that lived 
here. 

1345
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,560
So many natives. 
Like nobody pays attention to 

1346
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:54,480
that. 
Like you want to kick out 

1347
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,720
immigrants, we should kick 
ourselves out. 

1348
01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:59,360
Right, Right. 
And we come still. 

1349
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,600
I've said this a bunch of times,
too, from a place of privilege, 

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and we know it. 
But right now, for Jesse and I, 

1351
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,760
for small creators in our space,
for your average white dudes 

1352
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:15,600
like us, it feels lose, lose. 
And we're not asking for a pass.

1353
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,960
We're asking for nuance and room
to grow. 

1354
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,760
Man, this was heavy. 
Yeah, there it is again, That 

1355
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,120
word heavy. 
Is there something wrong with 

1356
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,720
the Earth's gravitational pull 
in the future? 

1357
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:28,920
That's two Back to the Future 
jokes. 

1358
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,200
I apologize. 
I had one SO. 

1359
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,800
We're human, we're trying, we're
fallible. 

1360
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:37,640
If you don't know what that word
means, look it up. 

1361
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,440
We care deeply about this 
community in this silly card 

1362
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,120
game that we all love, Magic the
Gathering, and we hope that you 

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01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:51,120
show us the same care. 
If we mess up, Teach us, don't 

1364
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,600
condemn us. 
And in a space where everyone is

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01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:57,240
welcome, where hate has no place
and understanding is king. 

1366
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:04,200
So if you're a small creator 
listening right now or later or 

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01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:06,920
any time at all that you listen 
to this podcast where a podcast 

1368
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,600
can be found, we see you. 
You're not alone. 

1369
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,560
We are you. 
I'd love it if we could 

1370
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:21,040
normalize some quiet growth. 
Let's celebrate people changing,

1371
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:27,279
trying, making better choices. 
Jesse and I are not aiming for 

1372
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:29,560
perfection. 
Lord knows that we're not 

1373
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,200
perfect in this space at all. 
I. 

1374
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:32,560
Don't want to be perfect? 
Boring. 

1375
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,000
My threat assessment is still 
suspect from time to time, 

1376
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,319
right? 
So we're, we're, we're aiming 

1377
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:43,359
for progress. 
So with us, Ask questions before

1378
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:47,680
judging us, invite conversation,
DM us. 

1379
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,880
Just don't DM us asking if we 
want to Commission our pieces 

1380
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,040
please. 
Especially using AII, can't 

1381
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,359
draw. 
You guys have seen my 

1382
01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,680
infinitokens. 
All right, let let people get it

1383
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,720
wrong and then course correct. 
One mistake is one thing, but a 

1384
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,080
pattern of my bad's, well now 
that's different and it's 

1385
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,800
important that you guys know the
difference out there. 

1386
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,319
Real talk now, if you are a 
trans listener hearing this, we 

1387
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,800
want to ask you something. 
This is coming from a place of 

1388
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:21,160
genuine care here. 
Do you understand where we're 

1389
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:24,640
coming from? 
Like, do you see the crux of 

1390
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,680
what we're trying to unpack? 
We're not asking for a pass or 

1391
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,520
anyone to tone it down. 
We know a lot of this anger is 

1392
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:33,439
justified. 
It it legitimately is. 

1393
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:39,160
Your existence is trying to be 
erased by the current political 

1394
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:43,160
climate. 
That is beyond terrifying to a 

1395
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:45,000
point where I could never 
understand that. 

1396
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,439
So I know this anger is 
justified if you have 

1397
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,640
constructive thoughts, 
suggestions, or even gut checks 

1398
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,440
on how we can show up better, 
especially assist creators, 

1399
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,080
right? 
We generally genuinely want to 

1400
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,600
hear them. 
DM us, DM me, comment whatever 

1401
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,320
feels safe for you. 
We don't want to center 

1402
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,000
ourselves in pain, but we also 
don't want to quietly sit on the

1403
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,960
sidelines and pretend we're not 
part of this too. 

1404
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,160
So, yeah, if you like this, 
stick around. 

1405
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:21,680
We're here to build, learn. 
It's been a hell of a ride 

1406
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,840
already, wouldn't you say? 
Yeah. 

1407
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,840
I think we can all make 
something cool together. 

1408
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:30,640
I really do. 
All right, Jesse, as usual, any 

1409
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,240
final words of wisdom from you 
tonight? 

1410
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:34,360
Actually wrote this one down. 
Usually I go on like a whim, 

1411
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,200
like does in the immortal words 
of the great humanitarian Jerry 

1412
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,760
Springer. 
Deep down we're all the same. 

1413
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:45,000
We all want to be happy. 
We cry when we're hurt. 

1414
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,080
We are angry when we are 
mistreated and we want to be 

1415
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:52,320
liked, accepted and respected. 
And not to mention loved is the 

1416
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:56,480
greatest gift of it all. 
Take care of yourself and each 

1417
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,200
other. 
Be awesome out there, Be 

1418
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,120
excellent to each Bill and Ted. 
Got it. 

1419
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Right. 
Honestly, but my thing, be 

1420
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,960
awesome out there and we'll see 
you next time guys. 

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:06,440
Take care.