1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,400 Welcome to the Gamer Dad podcast where we talk about all things 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,360 Magic the Gathering and gaming. We strive to make things fun, 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,840 fit into our busy lives, families, keep things casual, 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,000 and show you how you can too. I'm Gamer dad Bob, a 30 year 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,920 Magic the Gathering veteran who's played four match from 6 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,480 legacy to standard 2 Commander. And right now I'm living in a 7 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,960 perpetual state of sickness in our house already. 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,440 My kid has been in his first year of kindergarten and I think 9 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,560 he's been sick since school started like 6 weeks in a row 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,360 now. Tell me it gets better, Jesse. 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,240 It it doesn't. I knew you were going to say 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,000 that. It gets worse. 13 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,720 It gets so much worse, and I'm Jesse Hoagie. 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,560 I'm also a 30 year Magic Gathering vet. 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,560 I'm a proud dad of 22 Future Plans Walkers, a guitar player 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,320 who still can't quite nail Stairway to Heaven, and the guy 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,400 who somehow manages to top deck the worst possible cards at 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,680 exactly the wrong time. Is that like a magical power, a 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:53,560 superpower? 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It's free to everyone. 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Check it out and don't forget to stick around for flavor text or 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,320 songs lyrics at our midway point. 33 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:34,680 And will Jesse try to trick me with something fancy here, or 34 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,680 will he hit me with some real obscure flavor? 35 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,640 I have one left so thankfully I didn't have to scramble to find 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,760 one. I have 3 left and I feel like 37 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,560 they're all the easiest ones I've had. 38 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:46,560 Oh. God, I'm doomed. 39 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,880 I am doomed. All right, so let's talk a 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,040 little bit about one year ago, I was up at your house sitting 41 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,560 around my deck on your deck with a jacket on. 42 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,320 And we were talking about the commander bands and and the big 43 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,200 changes and and everything that was going on, right? 44 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,039 Bands, people buying out jeweled lotuses, commander advisory 45 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 group resignations, the Rules Committee resignations, threats 46 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,080 to people's lives. It was unbelievable what was 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,520 going on and not to down don't play it, but the sky was was 48 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,400 falling for all commander players out there. 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,880 They were pretty freaked out. One year later, here we are 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:31,880 again. What actually changed? 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,840 So that episode was called Everybody panic this episode, 52 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,160 and everybody calmed down. Calmed like everybody calmed in 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,600 the past tense. Nope, no. 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Yeah, the Commander players have no chill. 55 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,000 No, no. And what changed? 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,680 That changed us about as much as my ability to win a game at 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,520 Friday Night Magic. Absolutely none. 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,800 It really doesn't feel like a whole lot changed over our year 59 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,320 of playing commander and and sub formats for that matter. 60 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,840 And and that's kind of a a nice little spin that I have at least 61 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,120 is I've been enjoying sub formats of commander as well. 62 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,720 Kind of moves away from, you know, the hyper competitive 63 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,080 stuff of like I have to have Joel Lotus dockside extortionist 64 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 and you know, I again, I don't have my finger on the pulse for 65 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,640 CDH, but I'm pretty sure it's thriving and healthy right now. 66 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,680 So. I think so too because maybe 67 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,560 it's just people got used to it but he don't hear anything about 68 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,800 it anymore. Jesse, I don't think I heard 69 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,440 anything about these bands outside of the first two weeks, 70 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,680 right? I mean, and it was all financial 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,480 fallout. Everybody was pissy that their 72 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,640 cards lost value. That was it. 73 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,240 And that was that was it. Like there was there was nothing 74 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,760 else about it. Down to 31 dollars. 75 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,480 OK. So that definitely affected it 76 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,560 quite a bit. Yeah. 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:53,840 What was $100 card? According to that Who shall not 78 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,960 be named the top in October 2070, Bucks. 79 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,640 OK, so it lost more than half its value. 80 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,920 And now, yeah, now it's down to like the last market sold was 81 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,080 2993. OK. 82 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,560 Do you ever think that card's coming back or any of those 83 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,160 others? Command. 84 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,040 Not without something printed that can combat it, I don't 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,240 think. Like, I think we'll see prime 86 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,519 time before we see that. Yeah, I'd love to see Prime Time 87 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,480 back. So how did this affect our 88 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,680 Commander Pod? Well, it only hit one deck. 89 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:29,000 That's right. None of us build like that. 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,920 None of us did. And it hit my Averna Chaos Bloom 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,120 and I had manicrypt in it and it was just to have what Christ 92 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Manicrypt was a zero drop or am I? 93 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,160 I can't even remember anymore House. 94 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Pathetic. How much would play with these 95 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,680 cards? I, I just wanted something for 96 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,440 my cascades to hit and guess what? 97 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:51,400 I took that deck apart It it's, it doesn't even exist anymore. 98 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:56,440 So the gameplay impact for us was 0 at the at right out the 99 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,480 gate. And then how did it affect how 100 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,680 we build decks over the year, Jesse, did that change what 101 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,200 decks you chose and and tweaked and everything in your card 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,720 selections? One bit like I don't even look 103 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,320 at game changers, like I don't even pay attention to those. 104 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,240 It affects nothing. I hit none of my decks at all 105 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,320 because I never built with those cards and it I never even give 106 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:18,480 it a thought when I build a deck. 107 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,520 And did it, did it really change the way our games played out? 108 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,320 Not one bit. So that's that's the interesting 109 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,600 thing and and obviously small sample size are our little pod 110 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,760 that that, you know, plays when we can. 111 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,520 It didn't do much of anything. And then and then to boot, we 112 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,920 also proxy cards. We're a proxy friendly group. 113 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:46,200 So like the value proposition, it wasn't a thing for us. 114 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,320 It wasn't. We were proxying cards then, 115 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,920 right Jesse? Yeah, Oh yeah. 116 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,800 So I wasn't making them myself, but. 117 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,720 We were right, right. So that it didn't really do 118 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,360 anything. And then the drama just died 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:57,840 fast. Wattsy took over. 120 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:01,040 Ha ha. This is our stuff now and then 121 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:09,200 like OK, the this this went out with a bang and or in with a 122 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,880 bang and out with a complete whimper. 123 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,840 In the span of two weeks, two weeks, it was gone. 124 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:17,040 So like anytime. That they had, I think in here 125 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,080 anytime they had like a ban restricted announcement, they'll 126 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,480 see like you'll see rumblings of like, hey, are they gonna unban 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,120 anything the commander, but nothing has happened. 128 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:30,040 No, no. And I again, we expect some 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,080 unbanned. We got some unbanned if you 130 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,840 recall Coalition victory we saw coming back. 131 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,240 What's that? That weird 7 cost blue card that 132 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,880 nobody raised? Is this Sway the Stars or 133 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,880 something like that? On a braids kabal minion. 134 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,440 Kabal minions back, Yeah. We all we all went out and 135 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,280 bought some because like, oh, they're going to skyrocket in 136 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:52,840 price, No. No, no, we are clearly bad bad 137 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,400 collectors as far as like value and everything. 138 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,160 Goes and I still got it for $0.32, so I still got it for 139 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,360 cheaper than it is now. Yeah, yeah. 140 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,800 So the bands looked really big and well, I don't think they 141 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,640 really mattered a year later, I think. 142 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,440 I think they needed the bans and standard and are going to matter 143 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:10,760 more than commander at this point. 144 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,640 Standard's another animal completely just the the whole 145 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:18,440 scape of landscape of Magic the Gathering is a whole another 146 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,680 animal right now let's talk a little bit about what the new 147 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,480 Rules Committee under Gavin Verhay has been doing. 148 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,120 So they brought in a lot of different people from different 149 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,800 walks of life to the Rules Committee, some former card 150 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,400 advisory group commander advisory group members, some 151 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,720 former Rules Committee members they brought in and they formed 152 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,520 a new rules Rules Committee, right I mean that's basically 153 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,280 what it is and they introduced bracket systems and they 154 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,120 highlighted that these were drafts, these were works in 155 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,760 progress and I'll start with this for myself here. 156 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,240 The thing that tweaks me the most about the bracket system is 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,040 we're a year into this now almost, and it's still a work in 158 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:00,760 progress. They have not said, hey, these 159 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,760 are finalized. We're comfortable with these. 160 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,640 We like the, the way that these are. 161 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,280 So our, our play group tried them. 162 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,160 We, we, we tried them. We tried to talk about them. 163 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,280 And man, a year later, that's what we're still talking about 164 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,560 and debating and talking about whether they made sense, whether 165 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,720 they didn't make sense, what brackets in particular felt the 166 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,480 worst as far as how they were defined and everything. 167 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,440 And, and the big disconnect that I have with the bracket system 168 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,240 and, and everybody keeps hammering on this, oh, it's a 169 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,559 Rule 0 conversation, right, Jesse? 170 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:42,520 It's a Rule 0 conversation. But how many people are super 171 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,240 duper introspective to the point where they're like, well, my 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,360 deck punches up or down even though it's by definition this 173 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,560 bracket? Like, I don't play, I don't say 174 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:53,400 I don't pay publicly, but I don't play unless I'm playing 175 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,480 with people I really know. And it's I don't say it's 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,840 impossible, but it's very difficult to expect somebody 177 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:04,160 that you just met to be that open and honest to you, right? 178 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Or something because A they probably don't have the time and 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,240 B they just want to play a game. Yeah, that's that's actually a 180 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,480 really good point. I was just I was thinking about 181 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,000 that when I sat down with some people in Magic Conn Atlanta, 182 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,400 like nobody had a rule 0 conversation. 183 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,320 Like I I started the conversation about my Pendragon 184 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,560 deck. So I was like, hey, this is what 185 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:25,560 the deck does. This is what to look out for. 186 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,680 Like my my mono white Voltron deck. 187 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:32,480 I was like weapons vendors. My Arthur Wrecking Ball arm is 188 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,720 is the Excalibur weapons vendor does stupid things with this 189 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,520 equipment and it's a Voltron deck and you really need to pay 190 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,080 attention when both of those two things are out. 191 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,520 And and that was the extent of my conversation. 192 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,160 Or like my Jundeck. I was like, yeah, my intention 193 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,360 is to draw a bunch of cards with mask of Grizzle brand and bring 194 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,800 back this persistent Arthur and then bring it back again out of 195 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,760 the command. So, so I mean, I tried to have 196 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,360 those conversations, but most most of the people at casual 197 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:05,080 tables, even at a con kind of shrug and be like, cool, could 198 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,600 can we play now? Yeah, like, I don't care. 199 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,480 I mean that that was literally my experience and and nobody got 200 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,920 salty over plays or anything like that. 201 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,360 I think with Pendragon in particular that they kind of 202 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,920 know what they're getting into anyway. 203 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:23,040 I got blown out by a tainted strike which really tweaked me 204 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,680 because. In fact, itself just tweaks. 205 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,120 Yeah, there, there was no real Rule 0 conversation there. 206 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,680 And that was a funny one because I know Draco listens to this 207 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:33,520 podcast. I'm not. 208 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,000 I'm going to call you out here, Draco. 209 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,320 It's one of your pet cards for your Pendragon decks. 210 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,080 And you built a deck and handed it to someone else who had no 211 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,960 idea it was in there, right. So there was no no plan for a 212 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,880 rule 0 conversation. You didn't have it because you 213 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,880 were so excited to watch the deck, you know, play the way it 214 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,160 was supposed to. And then I got blown out by a 215 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,080 tainted strike at 32 life and Pendragon. 216 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,840 I mean, that's a. Feels I was trying to think for 217 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,920 the last time I actually played in public or played with people 218 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,640 outside our pod and it was probably I went to Mother's Day 219 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,640 thing in May and it was with a relative of my wife and her 220 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,640 husband and one of his friends and I literally knew where I 221 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,280 knew where I was going to play Magic. 222 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,280 So I bought like four or five decks. 223 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,720 We brought four or five decks. I literally showed him what I 224 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,600 had. He picked one, I picked one of 225 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,560 his decks and we played. We didn't even like right 226 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,000 discuss what the thing was. They're like they picked Prosch 227 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:33,200 and I'm like just, you know, I'm like, it's going. 228 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,240 It's like a machine gun. They're like, we wanna see that 229 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,040 go off. So that's all it was. 230 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,560 I wanna see the deck do the thing. 231 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:45,920 Yeah, that's pretty cool too. Yeah, that's also half the fun. 232 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:50,080 Sometimes I don't mind losing if someone else's deck goes off and 233 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,240 does the thing. It's the weird plays or the 234 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:58,440 salty plays or the min Max plays that kind of tweak me from time 235 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,040 to time. I guess the take away from the 236 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:04,440 bracket system for me is that rule 0 is still important to 237 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,120 have. And I really, really, you think 238 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,280 guys, we need to start having rule 0 conversations with 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,400 strangers and encouraging them. See, I'm going to learn from 240 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,200 this from my Magic con experience, encouraging them to 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:20,120 talk about their decks, you know, because I didn't go what's 242 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,520 your deck like? Because I just, I expected 243 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,120 reciprocity. I talked about mine and I 244 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,400 expected other people to talk about theirs and I didn't get 245 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,880 it. They just shuffled up and wanted 246 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,040 to play. So I think some one of my 247 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,640 learning things from that is I need to just encourage people to 248 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,280 talk about their decks. Did you even? 249 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,120 Did anybody say what bracket are you in? 250 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,760 Well, not so. Here's the thing. 251 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:46,720 I only played Pendragon games. Yeah, not really a Pendragon 252 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,360 bracket I guess. We were in Pendragon, That was 253 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,840 the bracket, right? But nonetheless, people didn't 254 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,920 talk about their decks so still a rule 0 conversation was 255 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,720 missing there after I talked about mine. 256 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,040 What I think the brackets might be good for? 257 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,560 Or like brewing frameworks and everything. 258 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:06,000 As you brew a deck you might be adding or thinking about cards 259 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,360 you select and and thinking does this card make my deck abusive? 260 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:12,960 Is this deck punching up? Is this deck? 261 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:17,840 Does it say it's bracket 3, but it's really a janky bracket 2 262 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,400 because of the way I built it like my mind Skinner deck. 263 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,960 I'm calling it like bracket 1.5 because it's not an all in mill 264 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:27,560 deck. That's not the whole goal, 265 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,800 right? It's to play off of the stupid 266 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,880 ability keywords on the mind Skinner that when an opponent 267 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,800 takes damage, they instead mill that many cards. 268 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,680 And I put as many cards in that deck that deals stupid pinger 269 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:44,920 damage as I could instead of forcing just mill strategies, 270 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,720 you know, So that's that's not a high tier deck. 271 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,680 It's bracket 2 by definition, but it's probably more bracket 1 272 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,000 theme jank. And that's the conversation you 273 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,800 need to have and, and, and people need to encourage as I'm 274 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,360 building that though, I'm looking at it, I'm going that's 275 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,960 not a bracket 2 deck. I'm sorry, by definition it is, 276 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,520 but it ain't a bracket 2 deck. So it does help in my opinion on 277 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,240 brewing frameworks, but it doesn't help with matchmaking 278 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,280 because God. Our play group has discussed 279 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,440 hours worth. Literal hours worth on bracket 280 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,120 three. We had a podcast on fixing 281 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,520 bracket three. Bracket 3 is gigantic. 282 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,000 Bracket 4 is gigantic. You can't say that you're a high 283 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:33,520 3 or a low 3 or whatever and then expect to roll sometimes 284 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,920 with the same bracket and and either not pub stop or get blown 285 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,760 out because of the way that that's designed. 286 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,800 Right. So it's easy to say, you know, 287 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,720 doing your own evaluation of something when you're building 288 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,600 it, but that's not going to help when you're playing somebody 289 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,200 else. You don't know, like when you 290 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,120 have a pod like we do, like, you know, like whenever I make a 291 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,520 change, I literally put it in the discord and say, hey, I'm 292 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,240 considering this and this. What do you, yeah, we all do 293 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,040 that. It's for two reasons, right? 294 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,560 We're letting each other know that we've, we've updated our 295 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,080 deck. And then two, hey, what do you 296 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,960 think of this change? Yeah, like, am I missing 297 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,040 something? Is this too too oppressive? 298 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,960 Or is this even good? Like I swapped out this for this 299 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,560 and then sometimes you even get the I'm not sure you should take 300 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,080 that card out conversation. Right, but you can't do that in 301 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,640 a public setting. No. 302 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,760 So that's where, like you said, the Rule 0 conversation. 303 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,920 You sit down, you get with people and you say, hey, this is 304 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,640 my deck, this is the theme, this is how I play it. 305 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,400 Yeah, I still love the Steel City elevator pitch thing for 306 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,080 how you present your deck. That's the easiest way to 307 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,120 present things and talk about what your deck does, kind of 308 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:45,960 what a turn loop looks like and how you win in addition to, you 309 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,120 know, any gotchas. Where I I differ from them a 310 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,840 little bit is I'm not super comfortable sharing out my 311 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,840 entire deck list. If someone wants to see it. 312 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,840 There's got to be some fun, some surprise and not knowing things. 313 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,640 It's 100 card Singleton format for a reason. 314 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Like if people knew my deck had one single fog in it versus 3 or 315 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,160 4 fogs, they're probably going to play against me differently, 316 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,320 right? Yeah, the way I look at it is 317 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,840 like when I play like, not that I play Brawl anymore, but you 318 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 don't know what they're playing. Sure don't. 319 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,160 So and that's like you look at the person you go to untapped 320 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,240 and they happen to have untapped and they happen to be playing 321 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,440 the same deck. So I don't know how I feel about 322 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:32,640 that. Like, telling them what the deck 323 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,920 can do is one thing, but yeah. I'm not here to disclose. 324 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,520 Like I don't even know if I want to disclose all of my game 325 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,280 changers. Right. 326 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,920 No, I don't think you should. So that's my own thought on 327 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,480 that. A lot of people are want to be 328 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,400 more open about that and everything else. 329 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:56,040 What you can do is ask are there any cards that you really don't 330 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:01,480 like actually physically bother you being seeing played, You 331 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,480 know, like a tainted strike or something? 332 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,000 In fact, do you get a visceral reaction from a card that I 333 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,960 might play? And then if it's in my deck, 334 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,240 yeah, I'm going to talk about it. 335 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:12,880 If you name one of the cards in my deck, I'm going to be like, 336 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,880 yeah, it's it's in there. And this is how it gets played. 337 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,599 Do you still want to sit down and play? 338 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:22,200 But rule 0 is is is King still in my mind? 339 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,359 Yeah, it always will be. Jesse, you've talked about the 340 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,040 bracket system in your own way and how you felt that it was 341 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,440 just never great to start with from from the gate, right? 342 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:36,080 Jesse was like, I even I I didn't like the old system, but 343 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,480 this is the meet the new boss, same as the old boss sort of 344 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,360 situation. Do you want you want to expand 345 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,240 on that a little bit? Yeah, I felt like I wasn't a big 346 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,560 fan of the old bracket system, but the new one I feel like 347 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,880 makes it worse. So have like I've been saying, 348 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,560 you know, I have a bracket three deck. 349 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,080 No, I really have a bracket 6 or I have a bracket 7. 350 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,760 It should be at least 10 in my opinion, because you get like 351 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,080 you said, you have the the narrowing of it and you have 90, 352 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,640 probably 80 to 90% of the decks are going to be bracket 3, 353 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,040 right? And then when everything is 354 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,160 there, then why have four or five? 355 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,560 Like what? Have you heard of anybody say 356 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,360 the deck was a bracket 5? I'd never have. 357 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,520 I'm not playing CDH, so I'm not sitting down at those tables. 358 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,000 I haven't played any bracket four games outside of our our 359 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,400 own decks that we we call out and classify as bracket 4 360 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:28,600 because we have to. Right. 361 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,920 And it it's, it's the way it's laid out now is an issue because 362 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,440 they have no mana, no lands in there. 363 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,640 So like yeah, you've mentioned this before, like fetch lands 364 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,480 and those type of things need to be mentioned if the bracket 365 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,880 system is going to work. Smooth mana bases where all of 366 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,560 your lands are perfect untapped lands. 367 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,320 You're, you're not going to, you're not going to suffer a 368 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,960 turn because a land comes in tapped and and it's very easy to 369 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,520 build a mana base like that with, with what's available 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,600 right now. Well, you take it's an easy way 371 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,800 to do is literally you take a precon deck with that precon 372 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,400 mana base. You take the exact same deck but 373 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,920 with a mana great mana base upgraded said upgrade 1 is going 374 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,440 to win every single time. Yeah, that that deck is going to 375 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,040 run so much smoother because it, if you're hitting land drops, 376 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,720 you're going to you're going to curve out easier, faster. 377 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:23,560 And that's, that's what makes the current thing, the current 378 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,000 bracket system. In my opinion, one of the 379 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,880 biggest flaws is it does not account for manabase. 380 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,200 It just doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't account for 381 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,720 intent. Like. 382 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:34,800 What is the intent of the deck? That's. 383 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,000 Just because I have, I could have 10 game changers in the 384 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,920 deck, but the intent won't be what the bracket system calls it 385 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,640 to be. And it's really not a bracket 4 386 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,040 deck, it's a bracket 2 deck because of my intent. 387 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,920 Yeah. In the flip side, I could have 388 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,200 no game changers and by their definition it'd be a bracket 2 389 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,280 deck. Yep, but my intent is completely 390 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,000 different and I blow everybody out of the water every time. 391 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,320 Yep, and, and they do talk about that. 392 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,000 They're like, well, the, the bracket system really is a 393 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,760 framework to talk about the intent of your deck because 394 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,080 that's really the overarching theme. 395 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,920 So that always trips me up because it's like, So what, 396 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,400 what's the bracket system for? And that's why, you know, that's 397 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,640 why I said earlier, it's almost like the bracket system is more 398 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,680 from a, a building standpoint and and not for a gameplay 399 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,680 standpoint. It's. 400 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,560 Two things that are kind of different. 401 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,640 It's it's a little bit weird to me so. 402 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,200 Yeah. And if it's if they their intent 403 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,360 of it was to make it for a building thing, then why have it 404 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,440 at all? Because when when you're going 405 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,480 to play somebody, you're not going to tell them how you built 406 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:33,920 the deck. No, you're not going to tell 407 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,400 them your thought process of well, I was thinking about this, 408 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,200 I put this in and then I thought that you're not going to do 409 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:39,440 that. You just want to play. 410 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,320 Yeah. It's not quick enough to be 411 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,640 talked about in the middle of a game, and it's not expansive 412 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,600 enough to cover everything that's out there. 413 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:50,560 Right. Right. 414 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,040 Is it a good start? Maybe. 415 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,480 Yeah. Again, the problem I have is 416 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,520 that we're still in like second draft mode on this and it's been 417 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,200 a whole year almost. There's been no changes in the 418 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,480 last year either. There's been no changes since 419 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,280 July. Yeah, they added some, added 420 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,960 some to the the Game Changers and they unbanned stuff. 421 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:10,880 That was it. Right. 422 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:15,120 They they didn't really branch out into thinking about what the 423 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,160 brackets actually mean. At 3:00 and 4:00. 424 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,640 There was no even I don't recall here. 425 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,440 So I might be wrong and I'm OK with that, but I don't even 426 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,000 recall them saying, yeah, we recognize that Bracket 3 is 427 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,040 gigantic and it's a challenge for everybody. 428 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,360 I don't think they did. I really don't think they said 429 00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:33,240 that because I think we would have had that aha moment and 430 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,120 gone good. They they recognize this and 431 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,280 they're going to work. On it, I don't think they did. 432 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,440 So yeah, that that's frustrating. 433 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Brackets do not replace human honesty. 434 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,920 That's the bottom line. Have that rule 0 conversation. 435 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,840 Ask other people to have that rule 0 conversation. 436 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,960 I talked about my deck and it's fine. 437 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,000 If you want to talk about your deck first, you start the 438 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,000 conversation yourself. Hey, how about yours, Jesse? 439 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,360 What's your Pross deck do? It does a lot of really broken 440 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:02,640 things. I. 441 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,880 Mean the main thing is like I would tell people the main thing 442 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,360 is the machine gun you down. I think I have a bunch of things 443 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:14,480 that proc when I sacrifice stuff and it amplifies damage the more 444 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,040 I get and there's times where I could literally deal 60 damage 445 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 to everybody else. Yeah, Jesse had a city on fire 446 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:23,280 out on time with his stuff set up. 447 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,080 It was brutal. It was brutal. 448 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,080 Too, like you mentioned about having an open house 449 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:32,840 conversation, I think that the competitive side of people stops 450 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,840 them from being honest, and that's just human nature, I 451 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,080 think. That's that's still hard to shut 452 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,080 off, even for casual. It is because you're. 453 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,840 Like I want to win the game and if I tell them this trick, I 454 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,640 have a less chance of winning. So I'm not going to do, I'm 455 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,240 going to be as vague as I possibly can to cover what I, I 456 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,080 think I need to cover. And then that's it. 457 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,320 That's, I mean, it's, it's, it's all fine to say, you know, you 458 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,080 need to be honest, you need to open, but in actuality, most 459 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,800 people you're going to come across are not that way. 460 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,280 It's just how humans are, and it's kind of foolish to expect 461 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480 people to do that. And when then you get into the 462 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,440 situations where you're doing it and nobody else is and then you 463 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720 feel bad. So then you stop doing it and 464 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,400 then nobody else is going to do it because everybody stop, 465 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,760 right? So I don't I don't know what the 466 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,360 solution would be on that. Because yeah, I'd love to say 467 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:24,400 that Jesse and I have a fix for all this. 468 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,320 And we tried. We tried to have that 469 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,440 conversation in one of our episodes. 470 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,600 And the more we talk about it, the less we feel comfortable 471 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,480 about where the bracket system is at. 472 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,120 It's funny too cuz like how many times have we joked that Andy 473 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:38,120 wins? Every single time. 474 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,240 And it doesn't matter what bracket deck he's playing 475 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,520 sometimes. And his like he could be a 476 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,880 bracket 2 deck and we could have all be bracket fordex and we 477 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,040 still could Bravo stump by ante. Yeah, they're they're really 478 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,000 solid builds. They yeah, they refill his hand, 479 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,800 they carry momentum. They they synergize very well 480 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,320 and sometimes a deck punches up like I said. 481 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:01,760 And if he's a min maxer he and wants to pub stomp, he could go 482 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,160 into you know, bracket two games and say this is a bracket 2 and 483 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,040 then pub stomp people. Because if he's using the 484 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,280 literal definition of the bracket system, it's A2. 485 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,760 But then you look at the intent and that the skill of the deck 486 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,160 builder, he's a great deck builder. 487 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,920 That's it's not going to matter. Yep, Yep. 488 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,840 And and and you can't stop bad actors there right now, Andy 489 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,960 tells us about his decks. You can't stop someone from min 490 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,440 maxing a bracket to deck and being like, well, I'm sorry, 491 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,160 it's a bracket to deck. I don't know it, it needs a lot 492 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,600 of work and I'm not, I'm not loving where we're at right now. 493 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,560 I I just, I would love to see gosh darn it. 494 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,640 I just changed the sensor temperature sensor for my office 495 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480 because my office is 75° right now and I'm. 496 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,800 Sweating 62 down here. Yeah, that's give me that. 497 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,840 All right, I think we beat brackets to death here. 498 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,040 So let's talk a little bit about the state of commander. 499 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,520 How do we feel about Commander? And we touched on it. 500 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,080 Commander to me feels the same as it was a year ago. 501 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,520 It really does for me. Nothing changed. 502 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:10,240 Not a damn thing changed. It's what you make of it. 503 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,440 And we, we've still created new decks over the last year. 504 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,840 We've tweaked our decks, we've done everything. 505 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,680 We've paid attention to the bracket system. 506 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,640 It still doesn't feel much different for us the way that 507 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,280 we're doing things. But outside of the table, it's 508 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,520 been Magic the Gathering has been exhausting. 509 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,040 And yeah, like you all know, I was super hyped for Final 510 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,760 Fantasy and I bought a lot of product and I have three Final 511 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,720 Fantasy commander decks, right? So I I went all in on it. 512 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,560 But the constant saturation of products the we're always in 513 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840 spoiler season is really starting to wear on me. 514 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,440 Like didn't like the first week of spider man get kind of 515 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,000 trumped by Avatar spoiler. Like it was like spider man 516 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,680 spoilers before the set came out. 517 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,160 And then like a week after that it was Avatar because it was 518 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,840 like. Before Edge of Eternity even got 519 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,640 released. That's right, Edge of Eternities 520 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,600 exists, the last in universe magic set that we had. 521 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560 Yeah, that wasn't even out yet and they were already spoiling 522 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,360 Spider Man. They were already spoiling last 523 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:14,560 Avatar or last Avatar, Last Airbender. 524 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,920 It's insane, absolutely insane. It. 525 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,040 Is and the universe is beyond burnout. 526 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,600 Is is palpable in the community. Like professors talked about it. 527 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,200 Kibler released a 30 minute video today about it. 528 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000 I watched Kibler's video. He had some really good points 529 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,640 and it was nice. Is there anything that that that 530 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,920 dude can't talk about? It's nice to see that Kibler 531 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,120 looks at it from a standard perspective from a Magic player 532 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:42,120 who has been playing for 30 years. 533 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,600 And that's not the other stuff that we saw. 534 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,560 Where did that originate? Twitter, Reddit, the the slop 535 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,160 nonsense. That was Reddit at 1st and 536 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,000 Pleasant Kenobi actually released something about that 537 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,760 too. So like that, that's Kibler's 538 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,600 thing was, was irrespective of that, it didn't even it didn't 539 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,160 even not acknowledge that existed. 540 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,440 But you could hear the exhaustion in him from like he 541 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,280 touched on alchemy and he yeah, I know, just flat out called 542 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,720 alchemy garbage. He was like this, this is a set 543 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:18,600 of cards that they did to put in between releases to sell more 544 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,680 cards. But now we're having seven sets 545 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,120 a year, you know, and if we we look at the the standard release 546 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,800 schedule for next year, it is 7 sets. 547 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Still 7. Seven sets. 548 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,400 That's just the the sets that are getting into standard. 549 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,680 That's not including any of the circuit layers. 550 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840 Yep. That's not including any of the 551 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,880 commander only cards. That's not including. 552 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,440 I don't know if they're going to have like direct to modern, like 553 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,200 modern Horizons. Maybe that wasn't included in 554 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,080 there. Yeah, that would be. 555 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Included in any Alchemy sets in Arena. 556 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,360 Yep, Yep. And mind you, these universes 557 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,720 beyond sets are going to be standard legal. 558 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,880 That's the other weird. Except if you're in Arena and if 559 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,200 it's Marvel, then it's not going to be that. 560 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:06,520 It's going to be something different. 561 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360 Don't bury our lead here. We we already talked about that 562 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,960 later. It is, it is exhausting. 563 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,480 And and the thing that that I think tweaks me the most that 564 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,120 Kibler reminded me of today. Do you remember we were supposed 565 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:19,400 to get Lorwin this year? Yes, we were. 566 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,400 It was delayed. And they never said why and 567 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,960 they're not going to Nope. They're they're not gonna. 568 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:31,000 It's it's probably licensing or something that spider man 569 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,560 avatar, someone needed to get that license out and used for 570 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 2025. My guess is Avatar right? 571 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,280 Because I did. Read somewhere that they're, I 572 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,120 think that they're gonna go in 2027. 573 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,200 They're going back to six sets. Yeah, I believe that's. 574 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,960 Also it's 4 universes beyond and two in universe 1 I bet. 575 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,200 It wouldn't surprise me if they flip the sword. 576 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Maybe 5 universes beyond and one in universe. 577 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,920 It's it's exhausting. I like a lot of the universes 578 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:04,080 beyond stuff but at some point it breaks the why I play magic 579 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,040 to begin with kind of universe thing. 580 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,280 Like Spider Man's real world. Like he's he's running around 581 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,680 New York City. How does? 582 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,960 You have a freaking bagel and schmear card. 583 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Like come on. Really. 584 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:21,360 How does New York City interact with Dominaria or the Edge of 585 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,720 Eternities? Like what? 586 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840 So I don't know, to me, it breaks the immersion. 587 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,440 And we talked about that as well. 588 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,240 So I'm not going to continue to beat a dead horse. 589 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,400 But let's talk about this Spider Man set that completely 590 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,720 underwhelmed me. And and it completely 591 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,120 underwhelmed a lot of people. And this is a set that was 592 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,320 designed to be a small set originally, like the Assassin's 593 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,200 Creed stuff, like an epilogue booster, right? 594 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:52,240 And after Aftermath absolutely fell flat on its face, they 595 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,000 pivoted to larger sets and they had to scramble and, and jam in 596 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,440 a bunch of cards for Spider Man, right? 597 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,400 And I shared this with you and I'm going to share this with the 598 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,160 audience. And, and you guys probably 599 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,920 already know this, people who are listening. 600 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,800 But let's let's reiterate this. The Spider Man set is 188 cards. 601 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,160 Jesse, tell me, how many are legendary cards in that set? 602 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,040 Thankfully I have a script in front of me so I don't have to 603 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,400 guess. That's right. 80 of them. 80 / 604 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:27,240 1/3 close to 1/2 of that set are legendary cards, but Wizards of 605 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,320 the Coast is out here saying we're not catering directly to 606 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,960 Commander. Excuse. 607 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,720 Excuse me. That's utter bull crap. 80 608 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:42,840 legendary cards and I think only one of them is non creature so I 609 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,960 think it's like 79 legendary creatures cold. 610 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,160 Stone is only non creature one right? 611 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,600 Is that it? I think you're right. 612 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,240 I think you're right. So and then we have Avatar next 613 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,920 and that's that can't be any different. 614 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,920 I mean, if you think about the characters in Avatar, they have 615 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,880 to be legendary. They have. 616 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,640 To be I wonder you mentioned like the aftermath. 617 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,200 I wonder if they stuck with that smaller set if spider man would 618 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,000 feel better. I think it would. 619 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,640 I think it would feel tighter. I think it would feel more 620 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,160 cohesive. I think it would because every 621 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640 effing card is named spider man in this set. 622 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880 Like how many varieties of Spider man are? 623 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,920 Coming from the Marvel Snap world, there are a ton of Spider 624 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,880 Man. Yes, there are. 625 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,400 I recognize that. But you didn't have to put them 626 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,720 all in one set. Does it translate to the Magic 627 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,320 the Gathering game in the same way it would for Marvel Snap? 628 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080 You know what I mean? If he spaced it out, they had so 629 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 much more content to put in little tiny ones. 630 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,000 Yeah. Like aftermath size ones, yeah. 631 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,400 So Avatar is going to slam us in the face with a bunch of 632 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,360 legendaries also come this winter. 633 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800 And this is another set where like Spider Man, I at least can 634 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,680 say I know that card. I know that villain, I know that 635 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160 card. Me Final Fantasy. 636 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,000 I'm like who? Avatar I'm. 637 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,800 Going to be. I'm sorry about that because I 638 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:05,640 have you to. Tell me who it is though. 639 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:07,960 I have you to tell me stuff. That's true. 640 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,200 For Avatar Joe, I think Joe may know Avatar. 641 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,920 I got nothing and I even tried watching it and everybody I 642 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560 talked to at Magic Con, when I said that they're like, yeah, 643 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,920 Avatar Last Airbender, like the first season is all lore dump. 644 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,440 And it's not like super interesting. 645 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,280 It's dry lore dump. And I'm like, Oh no, you heard 646 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,120 me say it. Dry lore dump. 647 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,200 So how is that going to translate to magic? 648 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,920 It's just characters, Wattsy doesn't care and they have the 649 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,680 Lord to rely on. At least the cards feel 650 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,560 mechanically accurate to the characters. 651 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:47,840 You know right like now the spider man set felt kind of 652 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680 bland in design seeing as it was a mini set. 653 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,760 I think they tried to dumb it down a little bit to to have 654 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480 better reach for new players and everything. 655 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,000 But when like every Spider man card says, when Spider Man 656 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,160 enters the battlefield, what does that mean if you have three 657 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,560 other different Spider Man's? Kibler brought this up today. 658 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,680 I was like, Oh no, that's a really good point. 659 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,480 Like newer players aren't going to understand what that means. 660 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,600 It's funny because Snap has a similar issue. 661 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040 They have 3 Captain America type cards. 662 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,640 They have Captain America, they have Captain America. 663 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640 Sam Wilson. OK. 664 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Who has a shield that does stuff in buffs Captain America? 665 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,520 It just says Captain America and then you have. 666 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,360 Captain Carter, OK. So the whole when Captain 667 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,600 America, Sam Wilson came out, they're like, OK, does that buff 668 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,200 the other Captain America? And then when Captain Carter 669 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360 came out, we're like, does the shield also buff this captain? 670 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,040 Because the shield just says all the shield says it's captain. 671 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,080 It doesn't say Captain America or Captain Carver. 672 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480 And come to find out, it's only Captain America. 673 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,200 Oh man. So it has a similar issue. 674 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,920 So do you did people build decks kind of hoping that that 675 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,800 mechanically that was going to buff them? 676 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,920 And they definitely. Tested it when it first came out 677 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,240 to make sure and luckily there's like a bunch of streamers that 678 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,920 you know will do that as soon as it comes out. 679 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,360 Like I watch multiple streamers like it's like it comes out 3:00 680 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,239 on a Tuesday is when the cards are released and they have decks 681 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,920 built already before that. Yesterday I was with it's guest 682 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,920 gaming. I was on with him and on on. 683 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,239 Today we were building decks for next week's release and as soon 684 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:20,360 as it comes out they do it and they meatless say it doesn't 685 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,679 work, don't bother There you go it's great. 686 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,840 The thing I'm wondering if Marvel Snap had an effect on how 687 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,639 the magic set was built like because like spider man in 688 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,520 Marvel snap there's multiple versions of them but there's one 689 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,159 the main one where he comes into play, he moves to a different 690 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:44,560 lane and moves a card with it. So it's like. 691 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,199 And then? Yeah, and Uncle Ben is in there. 692 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,520 And when Uncle Ben is destroyed, Spider Man comes out. 693 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,679 And then there's Spider Man 2099 where when he moves somewhere, 694 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,720 he destroys a card in that lane. So I'm wondering if there was 695 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,800 some clause or something in their licensing where it says 696 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800 you can't encroach on Marvel Snap and what? 697 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,560 Marvel Snap does that'd be something I. 698 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,000 Mean that's that's obviously why it wasn't in Arena. 699 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,960 And and and oh, by the way, fitting all these cards in the 700 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,320 bracket solution is just another exercise in pain. 701 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:19,920 What? Spider Man's the stronger. 702 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,600 Cards like yeah my God when there was like 5 legendaries in 703 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,160 a bring back the. Planeswalker Rule 2. 704 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,080 By the way, I want my baby Jace to kill Jace the Mind Sculptor 705 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,200 again. I know that still throws me for 706 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:32,480 a. Loop. 707 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,920 Every time I see it I'll still think in my head, I can't play 708 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,720 this, No I can't. I sure can't. 709 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,280 I can play the exact. Same one that even that doesn't 710 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,800 matter. Yeah, I remember the. 711 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:42,960 I remember the day is not used to. 712 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,480 Be removal like you wanted to get rid of the thing you packed 713 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,760 baby you packed baby Jason the. Sideboard against mine sculptors 714 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,040 I guilty as charged. I did that and it worked really 715 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,760 well. Or sometimes it was who plays 716 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400 the first chase wins, wins that war. 717 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,600 So yeah, Commander's fine. It's fine. 718 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:04,080 Keeping up with all the product and everything is is the problem 719 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,440 and it's not getting better. I mean, I was sending you guys 720 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,240 pictures from the preview panel live and. 721 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,240 I mean when that star. Trek popped up. 722 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,040 I was like, oh God, we called that like it's actually. 723 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,680 Happening, yeah. Like we all called it as soon. 724 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,720 As we saw spacecraft, I said Star Trek or Star Wars. 725 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:24,880 It's going to be one of those. Like I could probably dig up my 726 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,720 my post on Discord about that, but I knew it was going to be 727 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:28,880 Star Trek. I had a feeling it was going to 728 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,880 be Star Wars first or Star Trek first, because Star Wars already 729 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520 has. Yeah, and Disney. 730 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,200 Disney is going to be a really hard IP to double dip on because 731 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,800 they own Marvel too right now, right? 732 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,960 They do. They do. 733 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,360 So it's like, oh, man. Like, is Princess Leia a Disney 734 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,720 Princess now? Right. 735 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,320 But. And like, how was I going to go 736 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,640 into Loracana? Yeah, like the licensing. 737 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,080 War over that is got to be so costly. 738 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,160 Yeah, so let's. Talk a little bit now. 739 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,520 About the community and the culture over the last year, and 740 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,360 I will say at least what I've observed is the Rules Committee 741 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,160 has been deliberate, professional, and open to 742 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,440 feedback. I've seen several Discord 743 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,600 servers that I'm on. I see plenty of blue sky post 744 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,240 from actual committee members asking for feedback. 745 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,680 Now, what are they doing with that feedback? 746 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,800 Is it all posturing? Is it all just a show? 747 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,960 I don't know. I don't know what to believe. 748 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,120 I, I know Jesse, you're more skeptical than I am about this. 749 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,680 That's a way to put it. But I will say like nobody's. 750 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,200 Absolutely demolishing the Rules Committee at this point. 751 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,480 I think Gavin's done a very good job, at least with who he put in 752 00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,840 the committee, who he has aligned. 753 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,760 What I don't think they've done a good job on is a communication 754 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520 cadence. Like the last time we heard from 755 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,040 them was July. And I think for the largest 756 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,400 Magic the Gathering format currently today, probably even 757 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,680 larger today than standard ever was if you want to think about 758 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,560 it that way. We're owed a better. 759 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,520 Communication cadence. What have the Rules Committee 760 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,600 done with our feedback? The fact that they haven't said 761 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,720 anything officially since July, I don't think that's cool. 762 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,400 We should be getting at least quarterly communications from 763 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,240 the Rules Committee. Here's what we're working on. 764 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,960 Nothing's in stone, but something hey, we're talking 765 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,120 about unbanned. We're talking about more bands. 766 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,920 You know, that's always a slippery slope too, because 767 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,360 speculative trading and all kinds of other nonsense starts 768 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,600 happening and the scalpers get in on it and all the people who 769 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,200 who invest in this game, which is stupid in my opinion. 770 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,160 Cardboard is so volatile, you know, unless you're dealing in 771 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,200 reserve list and and you know, highly low investments unless 772 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,080 you're Rudy. Right. 773 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,840 Like you're not going to make. Millions on Magic the Gathering. 774 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,120 Sorry to burst your bubble. The creator ecosystem. 775 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,800 I don't think that any of the changes to the Rules Committee, 776 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,760 commander bands, I don't think it's changed the creator 777 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,320 ecosystem at all. Big voices still big small 778 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,680 voices still grinding. Like we're still doing our 779 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,680 thing. We're we still have this 780 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,280 podcast. We talked about Magic the 781 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,600 gathering, all things Magic the gathering and gaming. 782 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,080 There's our catch line, catch phrase, you know, so like, we're 783 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,200 still doing this. We're we're still talking about 784 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,520 it. We're trying to get our voices 785 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,680 out there as as a voice in the community for Magic the 786 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,160 Gathering. The big contention for me still, 787 00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,080 it's the brackets. I'm not going to continue to 788 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,240 beat it up. Jesse and I have talked about 789 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,640 this in conversations in Discord DMS, in Discord. 790 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,800 What the hell are the brackets? We don't even know anymore. 791 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,200 And again, that guy that goes back to, can the Rules Committee 792 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,920 please communicate more with us please. 793 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,480 Like even the original Rules Committee had the web page and 794 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,560 everything and they had blog posts and, and other stuff on 795 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,240 that. We're not even getting that as 796 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:53,960 often out of on the official wizard site. 797 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:58,600 So if any of you guys listen to this or know anybody who 798 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,480 listens, who's on the Rules Committee passes on, please 799 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,920 communicate more with us from, from an IT manager whose main 800 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,880 role is customer service. It's not good customer service 801 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,320 right now. I don't feel like the community 802 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,960 feels like it's being listened to it all. 803 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,400 And I'm not talking about the mouth breathers who have stupid 804 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,040 complaints. I'm not talking about that. 805 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,800 But the people who genuinely care have genuinely good 806 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,680 feedback. We don't know if we're being 807 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,120 hurt and that's where I have a problem. 808 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,120 How do you feel about the community and culture right now? 809 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,040 Jesse and I? Will say kind of a tangent. 810 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,680 The communication stuff is not isolated and magic because I 811 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,040 have a in the air on the Marvel Snap side. 812 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,760 A lot of people, a lot of streamers I talk to are 813 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:45,720 actually, they have a creator program that has a Direct Line 814 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:48,400 to the developers and they talk to. 815 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,480 Them all the time. And their communication isn't 816 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,440 heard. They say it's heard, but it's 817 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,720 not. Nothing just happens. 818 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,280 OK, so it's not. Just magic. 819 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:03,600 But I think it is all Magic Snap, all of these other big 820 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,880 games that are controlled by big corporations. 821 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,200 It's all goes back to shareholders. 822 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,920 I think it's in mine and I apologize now for being so 823 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,520 negative, but I think it is all just a front. 824 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,600 I think if they're all saying how we hear you, blah, blah, 825 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,800 blah, but in reality, nothing we say is going to change anything 826 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,920 because it is all about the dollar. 827 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,240 I think as soon as Wizards took over, that was the nail in the 828 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,280 coffin for Commander because now all that matters is money and 829 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,000 all that matters is how much they can make. 830 00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:39,360 You know, they had, they put all the right people on the Rules 831 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,480 Committee because those are the people that community trusts. 832 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,360 But then they cut it off of the knees and stop the communication 833 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,440 that it seems like that. Could be the driving force 834 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,560 behind it. That's what I think it is, 835 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,000 because Marvel snaps the. Same way all they care about is 836 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,480 making money now in the Marvel Snap side they were. 837 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,360 They had a developer that was a publisher, I should say that was 838 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,440 the same publisher at that owned TikTok. 839 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,320 And when TikTok went down earlier in the year in the US, 840 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,760 so did Marvel Snap. Yep, I remember that. 841 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,320 Now they they're self. Publishing now. 842 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,960 Second dinner is self-publishing. 843 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,080 And we all thought, oh, this is going to be great. 844 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,240 You know, they're going to self publish. 845 00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:17,400 Things are going to be better. Things are worse. 846 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,240 Like now prices go up. You know the greed is going up, 847 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480 just like magic for now. The prices are going up, the 848 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,560 greed is going up just like everything else in the world is 849 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,880 not just related to games. No groceries, everything is 850 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,600 more. Really good point, Really good 851 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,800 point. It's everything. 852 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,440 And then you have and I'm going on. 853 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,320 Tangent, but then you have like kind of light at the end of the 854 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,880 tunnel. We have games like Hades too 855 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,720 that came out. Critical freaking. 856 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:46,240 Acclaim Game of the Year talk 20 bucks. 857 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,360 You have clear Obscure Expedition 33 clear Game of the 858 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,480 year has to be 40 bucks. Sandfall Studios. 859 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,640 Came out of or Sandfall Interactive. 860 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,280 Came out of yeah nowhere. You have Hollow Night Silk song. 861 00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,120 Game of the year candidate independence 20 bucks. 862 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,720 Yep, so that. Shows that. 863 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,440 You can definitely have quality over quantity, but people will 864 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,320 spend money. But when you. 865 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:15,120 Have giant corporations like that that are in the billions. 866 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,960 You can't have quality because they don't get the quantity 867 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,360 because shareholders demand more. 868 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,720 Did you catch? I don't know if how. 869 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:26,520 Much your finger is on the pulse with the Magic community these 870 00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,880 days. Did you catch Seth from MTG 871 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,560 Goldfish's deep dive into the financials of Hasbro? 872 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,160 What percentage of revenue do you think Magic the Gathering 873 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,240 brings into Hasbro? I think it's like 80%, right? 874 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,880 Higher. It's higher. 875 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,040 Oh my God. It's it's about I. 876 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,760 Think he said it was like 9091% of their income of their revenue 877 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,320 is generated by Magic the Gathering. 878 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,120 I mean, you go where I think Hasbro. 879 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,080 Bought him in 2001. I want to say it was a long time 880 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:56,680 ago. Yeah, right around when Pokémon 881 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,360 left. Right. 882 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,000 Was it Wizards of the Coast? Wizards. 883 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,560 Yeah, like the first Pokémon. Set was was the coast like a 884 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,400 little like it's it's like hilarious that it was was the 885 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,920 ghost like it's a lot of people forget about that, but so it's 886 00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,480 hard to say like magic died when the Hasbro bought them because 887 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,840 back when we we were standard grinder grinders, it was great. 888 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,680 It was thriving, but it. Seems like I think. 889 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:24,760 When like you have Hasbro here and you have Magic when Hasbro, 890 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,720 the rest of Hasbro is doing this and Magic, yeah, I think. 891 00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:32,800 That's when it changed. Like I'm like I'm try to be 892 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,400 optimistic, but I'm not stupid, right? 893 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,520 I know how money. Works. 894 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,480 I know how the world works. Right, Don't just piss on. 895 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,040 My leg and tell me it's raining just like with like streaming. 896 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,480 Like I was thinking about this today, like remember when 897 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,520 streaming first came out, I was like, oh, it's the death of 898 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,280 cable. It's going to be so much. 899 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,480 How much are you paying for streaming now compared to how 900 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,040 much you pay for the same thing? Probably the same as cable at 901 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,000 this point and many. People are paying more, you're 902 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,360 paying double. We used to paying cable. 903 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,920 If you put everything together, so it's like the greed is just 904 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,320 astronomical with so many things. 905 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,240 And that's what's driving magic, unfortunately. 906 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,440 It's feel like that's it, that's it. 907 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,800 So. How do you feel about the Rules 908 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,720 Committee today? Do you, do you? 909 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,320 Do you feel like it's lip service because of the greed? 910 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,440 Do you think it's like forced lip service? 911 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:21,880 I think it is forced lip service. 912 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,320 I. Think the people that are on 913 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,000 there are genuine, like Olivia is great. 914 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,920 You know, all the other people that are on that committee. 915 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,000 I think Shivam was or used to be and then decided not to be. 916 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,920 He's he's not on the on the current. 917 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,840 He was on the On the Card advisory group. 918 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:37,760 That's what it was. But I think the people. 919 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,880 Commander, Advisor, Gavin himself, I think. 920 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,680 Gavin incredible person means well, but I think they are 921 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,800 control. I think they are I think them 922 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,520 themselves are fighting a battle like I'm I don't want to speak 923 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,720 for them because I have not talked to any of them. 924 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:53,600 I mean, anybody who's worked in corporate America. 925 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:56,960 Though knows that you can't fight the board of directors. 926 00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,920 No, that's that's yeah. It's like, I think they're. 927 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,560 Trying to do what they can. I think they're trying to 928 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,720 influence what they can, but when it comes down to it, their 929 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,520 voice is miniscule compared to the almighty dollar in the show. 930 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,560 That's that's the problem, right even. 931 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,320 My small, not-for-profit that I work for, our board of directors 932 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,280 still makes a lot of the decisions for us and everything, 933 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,520 even even with data handed to them that says one thing. 934 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,320 It's like, no, yeah. And unfortunately. 935 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,960 Until you realize it and even me, I still struggle with it 936 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,520 today is like we've we've been in corporate for how long and I 937 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,240 still struggle with it. Like you're not going to succeed 938 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,760 unless you try to play the game. And I think, I mean, I don't 939 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,680 know if they had to sign an NDA or something, but I feel like 940 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,720 they're trying to play the game and not, yeah, any game company 941 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,160 is going to. Force you to sign some kind of 942 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040 an NDA? Yeah, regardless, I guarantee 943 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,520 like I take I think. If we take somebody who was on 944 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,560 the committee in a couple years and they leave and the NDA 945 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,520 expires, expires, excuse me, I guarantee they'll have some 946 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,280 stories to tell. Like I guarantee the board like 947 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,280 I don't know who as original leadership of Wizards are still 948 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,640 there like. I'd I'd be curious what? 949 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,200 Richard thinks, honestly, he doesn't care. 950 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,160 He probably. Doesn't care because he got all 951 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,280 his money. Well, I think Richard Garfield 952 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,280 has, truly. Just moved on from Magic the 953 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,200 Gathering as he as he created it and he just doesn't care because 954 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,840 it's not his game anymore. It's it's like a full 955 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,920 bastardization of his game at this point. 956 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,880 It really is what does Mark Rosewater, actually. 957 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:26,280 Think like if he wasn't corporate hat on, if he was 958 00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,200 actually what he actually did. You think that air foresight is 959 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:29,960 his? Boss now. 960 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,360 Yeah, yeah, I didn't. Realize. 961 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,400 I wonder what? Aaron thinks, like, are they? 962 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,920 Full on corporate now. Or they actually have and this 963 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,760 is love. I loved Aaron. 964 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,200 'S just real, take articles about R&D and everything when he 965 00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:46,160 was writing and I loved how just transparent he was, how 966 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,800 realistic they were about their testing, about future, future 967 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,600 leads, stuff like that. And I wonder what the R&D looks. 968 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,680 Like there because so many of these new cars just feel like 969 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,880 reskins of everything else. Yep. 970 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,960 And so many things like how did the VV Vivi or whatever gets 971 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,520 through seven sets? A year, that's how. 972 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,760 Jesse, there there's not adequate time to test things. 973 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,080 It just seems, seems, seems so. Less cohesive than they used to 974 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,800 be. It's just like, do they even 975 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,920 have an R&D anymore? They do even QA anything and. 976 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,480 It and it's very staffed from what I understand. 977 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,920 That's that's the scary part yeah. 978 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,560 I mean if if arena. And the client itself is any 979 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,440 indication they don't QA anything Arena. 980 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,280 I'm glad I uninstalled. It yeah and and snap is. 981 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,560 The same way the bugs we get in snap, we still have bugs now 982 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,520 that I had two years ago. Jeez. 983 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,280 Like it's like. The game crashes. 984 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,080 Constantly like the I don't know how like I had a crash twice on 985 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,720 me today, I think, and you watch any popular streamer, it's going 986 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,880 to crash and then multiple times during the stream and it works 987 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,320 the same way yeah, universe is beyond. 988 00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,560 Saturation we touched on a little bit, but let's talk a 989 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,960 little bit about Fleem and through the Omen pass I, I, I. 990 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,440 I've paid 0 attention. I don't know what the hell fleem 991 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,200 is. So fleem is the reskin. 992 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,320 Of Green Goblin. I need to, that's how much 993 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,040 attention I'm paying to arena. Like I don't even. 994 00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,720 Know what Fleem is. Gobin, Jean. 995 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:13,080 Splice Savant Yeah, it's Norman Osborne and then Green Goblin. 996 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,880 So Fleem is this lovable little character here. 997 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,680 It's a Goblin human villain cuz Gobin's in the picture, I don't 998 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,120 know. And it's just a little goblin. 999 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,760 And everybody seemed to attach themselves to this thing as a 1000 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,960 mascot for Through the Omen Pass. 1001 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,520 In fact, to the point where Through the Omen Pass feels like 1002 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,760 more Magic the Gathering than Spider Man. 1003 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,320 And people loved it like the legendaries felt not special 1004 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,520 because everything is Spider Man, you know? 1005 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,400 And what they did with Through the Omen Pass was kind of change 1006 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,360 that up, right? Not everything is spider man 1007 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,160 now. Apparently there's an influx of 1008 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,040 spiders in the multiverse because I mean, everything is 1009 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,840 spider typed for this friggin set. 1010 00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,200 So I do find that amusing as well. 1011 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,160 Like spider tribal got a major, major boost. 1012 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,440 I wonder if like job is? More viable commander now from 1013 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,960 one of the ranks it probably is for. 1014 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,600 Arena, yeah, for Brawl, the licensing mess, they didn't ever 1015 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:15,800 say what the deal with that was outside of it was a licensing 1016 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,840 problem. And it's Marvel Snap, I 1017 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,200 guarantee you. Yeah, you know. 1018 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200 And the big irony here is? Flame has had more hype than 1019 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:25,680 spider man. I'm not even kidding. 1020 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,040 Like people are begging for physical versions of through the 1021 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,920 Omen paths proxy. And that's what they're doing. 1022 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,680 A bunch of my cards like I printed probably. 1023 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,600 I think 9 or 10 just to have them and I almost printed the to 1024 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,880 the home and path version just because I wanted to be that way 1025 00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,800 they people are. Begging for them. 1026 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,040 So like do universe's Beyond sets create real magic players 1027 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,080 or just novelty buyers at this point? 1028 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,400 Are they just for collectors? And I realize there's some 1029 00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:00,320 crossover right? Because you love Fallout, you 1030 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:05,240 also love Magic the Gathering. You are in the Venn diagram for 1031 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:09,680 both and I think that's probably more the exception than the rule 1032 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,640 though, you know? Yeah, because like, like I. 1033 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,880 Got Wolverine for example. I got that. 1034 00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,560 I proxied that but I still want to get a real version just to 1035 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,200 have as a collector. Yep, should have gone to magic 1036 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,240 like anytime. I see pack openings. 1037 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,680 On like Instagram Reels or whatever, it's always people for 1038 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,040 money. Yeah, it's, it's all finance. 1039 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,560 Nerds. It has nothing to do with. 1040 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,480 Actual games like I want to play this game. 1041 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,640 Yep, I want the card to pulls the most amount of views because 1042 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:39,760 it's worth the most amount of money. 1043 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,640 Yep, Yep. So but like. 1044 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,640 Collection wise like. I absolutely love Lord of the 1045 00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,400 Rings, so the Hobbit's going to be fun, but. 1046 00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,560 The Lord of the Rings Universal. Is beyond set was tight. 1047 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,600 It was great. It was. 1048 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,440 Amazing everything. Felt so perfect and I also loved 1049 00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,600 how the cards looked. There's a lot of care point to 1050 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:00,920 the design. Of that set. 1051 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,920 So if The Hobbit is anything like that. 1052 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,600 And that's going to be great. Yeah, I will say as a final. 1053 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,520 Fantasy nerd. There was a lot of care put into 1054 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,400 the design in that set as well. Like I don't even know Final 1055 00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,480 Fantasy. And I could see the care that 1056 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:18,320 was put into it and, and so. Why are in universe sets kind of 1057 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,680 a little bit worse now too? You know, because like because 1058 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120 of the the. Ether drift in all the secret. 1059 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,280 Layers. Ether drift is like. 1060 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,360 Now one of the worst sets of all time considered. 1061 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,760 I think it where's the care there? 1062 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,640 Worse than Homeland and worse than? 1063 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,400 Fallen empires I mean gone in. 60 seconds and then what's right 1064 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,160 behind what's right? Underneath the Outlaws of 1065 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,800 Thunder Junction. It's just, it's such a bummer. 1066 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,960 Because they, they, they show that they can put care into sets 1067 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,560 and then we get that nonsense and it's like, oh gosh, why are 1068 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,120 we doing this? And then you're like, well, wait 1069 00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,800 a minute, if the in universe sets suck, I have to play these 1070 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,560 universes beyond sets that I don't vibe with now? 1071 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:04,200 Also, what is going on? Yeah, like before when universes 1072 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,280 beyond. Wasn't standard legal. 1073 00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,320 I think they were more like accepting. 1074 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,760 I was more accepting of them personally because I didn't have 1075 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,080 to play them right. I didn't have to play with them. 1076 00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,280 Now thinking back like. Can you imagine if one of the 1077 00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,600 rings was standard legal? Like getting the one ring, the 1078 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,480 one ring, that's OK. We got we got suplex in Final 1079 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,680 Fantasy a year later, Yeah. But it's I don't know. 1080 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,560 Man, it's, I feel like there's so many things that are coming 1081 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,040 out. It's diluting everything from 1082 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,400 top to bottom. It is, and it really it does 1083 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:39,520 feel like. They're. 1084 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,200 Focusing more on universes beyond and in universe stuff is 1085 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,960 more of a like an afterthought. Although I will say Edge of 1086 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,520 Eternities I thought was great. I thought it was pretty cool. 1087 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,600 I it wasn't. My favorite Dragonstorm I 1088 00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,760 thought was great. Dragonstorm was awesome, I 1089 00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:55,240 thought that. Was a really well done set and 1090 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:57,520 the story was good too. I didn't read edge of eternity 1091 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,360 story. I should probably do that. 1092 00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,960 But the whole space C Star Trek E thing isn't my thing. 1093 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,320 Like I'm a Star Wars guy, I'm not like a Star Trek E guy. 1094 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,000 So that didn't that didn't vibe with me. 1095 00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,160 Star Trek I. Can't tell you how. 1096 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,840 Loud the crowd got for the Lorewin stuff. 1097 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,760 Oh yeah. At the preview panel. 1098 00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,760 How loud the crowd got for The Hobbit. 1099 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,520 Like Lorwin and Hob are the only two. 1100 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,320 Sets I'm looking forward to and the crowd got very loud for. 1101 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,160 Star Trek. They were very I've not watched 1102 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,800 Star Trek in my when my. Youth, it was always Star Trek 1103 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,160 or Star Wars. You can like both and I always. 1104 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,400 Liked Star Trek or? Star Wars. 1105 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,400 Yeah, me too close. Me too. 1106 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,920 Like Star? Trek, to me, was for the old. 1107 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040 Fogies like the old people that you know that were boring. 1108 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,760 Oh, that's so funny. It's just Gen. 1109 00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,680 Xers, dude, that's all. Yeah, they're not all. 1110 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,880 I remember my grandmother. 'S husband, because it wasn't. 1111 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,960 My grandfather was a terrible, terrible person and he likes 1112 00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:01,800 Star Trek, so that might be like subconsciously why I don't like 1113 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,360 it. Yeah, that's true. 1114 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,520 But your brain. Connected that and said bad 1115 00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,880 people like Star Trek so universe is. 1116 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,000 Beyond was supposed. To grow Magic the Gathering. 1117 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,360 But what it's really doing right now is burning out in trench 1118 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,200 players. The characters people actually 1119 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,120 love the most aren't licensed at all. 1120 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,320 Flame Gobin's creation. Flame. 1121 00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,560 Flame is a avatar or a pet or some are both on friggin arena 1122 00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,520 right now. Everybody loves flame. 1123 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,240 Not to be confused, I think. Flan, what's happening? 1124 00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:36,000 Is you have the entrenched players are leaving is still 1125 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,040 lower than the amount of new players that are coming. 1126 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,880 So it's just like a cycle. Yeah, they're just, it's just 1127 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,680 going to be. Cycling. 1128 00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,360 And as long as the new players keeps outpacing the people that 1129 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,680 are leaving, it's not going to matter. 1130 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,600 I think Wizards might have. The the floor drop out from 1131 00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,120 under them when the collectors who were in it just to start 1132 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:58,000 playing and learn it determine that well the next universe is 1133 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,600 set isn't for me and I'm not a huge fan of the in universe's 1134 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,240 stuff so I'm just done playing now. 1135 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,600 Like the people that that Final Fantasy brought in, if they are 1136 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,880 not into Magic the Gathering, they're probably not sticking 1137 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,320 around essentially the way the prices are going. 1138 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:14,640 They continue to go up. Up up. 1139 00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,040 Yeah, people love the non licensed characters right now. 1140 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,360 Please Watsy stick with it. Help us out. 1141 00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040 So listeners, let's let's do a recap. 1142 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,640 We haven't done song. Lyrics or flavor? 1143 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,840 Texts yet? Oh my God, I got so into. 1144 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:32,480 Yelling at things. Let's, let's get into that. 1145 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,240 Let's get into that. What do I have for you now? 1146 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:38,560 This is a fun one. Do you have yours? 1147 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:42,960 I have 3. In front of me and whenever it's 1148 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,520 my turn to go, I'll make a decision. 1149 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,440 All right, pick one. And and and you hit me. 1150 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,600 With it first, this time I'll give you the easy one. 1151 00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,640 Well, I mean, they're all three easy, but I'll give you the 1152 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,280 Super easy 10. God, OK, I'm so sure. 1153 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,160 His verdict is always guilty. His. 1154 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,000 Sentence is always death. That's Judge Dredd right now. 1155 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,080 1st it's. Always guilty his. 1156 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,440 Sentence is always death. That's a Magic card. 1157 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,600 It's got to be. It is a Magic card. 1158 00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,240 His I. Want to say it's one of the 1159 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,760 praters? Or something, but that's not 1160 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,000 right. Is it a Frexian? 1161 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,880 No Ravniken? No, I think his first printing 1162 00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,160 was. In Astrod really. 1163 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,640 Maybe world way? I don't remember the first 1164 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:18,720 printing, I think it was in Astrod. 1165 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,280 It is a vampire and it's a card that always. 1166 00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960 You guys always hate seeing Butcher of Malik here. 1167 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,520 Yep. I think it was World Wake, I 1168 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,640 think. His first printing was World 1169 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,360 Wake. It was, yeah, World Wake. 1170 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,040 It may have got reprinted in Dark Ascension or something like 1171 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,840 that. Yeah, that that tracks. 1172 00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,840 Butcher of Malik here. It's it's God, that card is so 1173 00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,440 good, but it's priced appropriately. 1174 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,080 Like 7 mana is yeah, 7:00 it's 7. 1175 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,280 Mana, guys. And it's nowadays I'm a fragile 1176 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,600 creature. Two or three, all right? 1177 00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,760 My lyric or flavor text is a mind in agony as a Sparrow 1178 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,440 without wings. That's a Magic card. 1179 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,400 It is a Magic card I'll give you. 1180 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,360 That right away you're not going to guess what it is because this 1181 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,640 is my deepest cut. I think it's blue. 1182 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,000 Let me find out. It is not. 1183 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,960 It's from Ice Age. Is it an artifact? 1184 00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,960 No. Then I have no idea. 1185 00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,800 Yeah. Jesse, I didn't even know this. 1186 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,680 Card existed. I was scrolling through Ice Age 1187 00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,360 cards when I pulled this. This is a card called Mind Whip. 1188 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,360 Mind Whip I. Guarantee you, you. 1189 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,960 I mean you. And I played Ice Age. 1190 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,120 I guarantee you you've never seen this card. 1191 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,920 I have seen that card. Oh, you. 1192 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,880 Have I know that art? I know. 1193 00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,600 That art, yeah, that was. New limb. 1194 00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:36,840 Duel Limb. Duel. 1195 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,920 Yeah, that's a limb duel quote. That one goes hard. 1196 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,080 This is. A cool card, actually. 1197 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,560 I didn't even remember that card existed. 1198 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:47,840 I mean, it's not legal in alchemy. 1199 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,640 He. Or she pays 3. 1200 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,120 Or mind whip deals 2 damage to them. 1201 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,160 If it deals damage tap the creature like during that during 1202 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,840 that target creatures controllers upkeep every. 1203 00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,720 Upkeep. Pay for a plating commander? 1204 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:08,680 Just slap it on someone's commander. 1205 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,000 Yeah, I feel like it's a great card. 1206 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,800 To be in commander? I don't know man, it's an 1207 00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:14,120 annoying card. That's for. 1208 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,200 Sure, it's a Bob. Card. 1209 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,080 I think that's probably. The other reason why I I picked 1210 00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,960 like you can have some wacky stuff. 1211 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,800 Where like if you could put it on your own creature and then if 1212 00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,600 you it deals damage to you, you have effects that happen. 1213 00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,360 Put it on. Put it on anti venom. 1214 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,440 Yeah, stuffy doll, although it works. 1215 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,800 Reckoner because it would. It would tap the creature, so 1216 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,240 that's kind of bad. Hi dog, dog is here. 1217 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,640 Dog go sitting on the couch she never lays on like the. 1218 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,840 Couch, couch. She's always on the top of the 1219 00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,800 back cushion and she's ruining the back of the cushion. 1220 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,120 That's so funny. All right, thank you for the 1221 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,680 reminder, Jesse. I got so into the podcast I 1222 00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,160 didn't even think to pause for this. 1223 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,840 Plus I didn't put it in the damn notes. 1224 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,080 That's my fault. So, listeners, do you like the 1225 01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,200 brackets? Tell us. 1226 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,800 Tell us you like the brackets. I promise we won't think worse 1227 01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,200 of you if you like the brackets. I I like the brackets. 1228 01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,200 Not out loud anyway. Jesse. 1229 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:13,720 Won't out loud. Or do you still prefer that rule 1230 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,240 0 conversation over everything is Rule 0 king? 1231 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,080 How about this? Are universes beyond sets 1232 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:22,080 keeping you engaged with Magic the Gathering? 1233 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,240 Newer players, If you're listening, are they bringing you 1234 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,760 in? Are they keeping you in or are 1235 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,640 you just collecting the cards and then kind of learning the 1236 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,000 game and deciding it's not for you or Entrench players? 1237 01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,280 Are universes beyond also burning you guys out? 1238 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,000 It is for me, and I loved Final Fantasy. 1239 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,680 I'm excited for The Hobbit. Hobbit Laurwin, That's all I'm. 1240 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,240 Excited for Spider Man versus through the Omen. 1241 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,040 Paths For those of you who have spent money on both of these 1242 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,760 products, whether it's Arena or the physical cards, which has 1243 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,480 you more excited? Do you really want to see 1244 01:00:55,480 --> 01:01:00,000 through the Omen Pratt Omen Omen Pratt's Omen Paths printed? 1245 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,160 Do you want to see that? And finally, would you build 1246 01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,640 Fleem, Not Green Goblin, not Norman Osborne? 1247 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,040 Would you build Fleem if it hit paper? 1248 01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,480 I guarantee some people would. I guarantee some people. 1249 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160 Have it's their green goblin deck, but it's Fleem. 1250 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,600 They just proxied fleem in Let us know in the comments, DM me 1251 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:21,280 or Jesse let us know in blue sky. 1252 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,000 You know where to find us, All right? 1253 01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,080 One year later, Commander didn't collapse. 1254 01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,080 It adapted. The bands faded. 1255 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,800 Rules Committee held steady. Rule 0 still rules. 1256 01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,720 And the only real exhaustion came from too much product. 1257 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,440 And like parenting, you set boundaries, focus on what 1258 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,480 matters, and find joy in the parts that you actually want to 1259 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,720 play. That's a little dose of gamer 1260 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:48,080 Dad Bob Zen for you guys tonight, Jesse. 1261 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,000 Final words if Commander has taught me anything. 1262 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,320 It's that nothing really changes. 1263 01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,520 The Rules Committee tweaks things. 1264 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,440 We nod, we complain, and then we still lose the same to the same 1265 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,880 busted green spells or the same blue bounce spells. 1266 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,400 Maybe that's the secret lesson here. 1267 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,200 Don't fear change, just fear cyclonic rift. 1268 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,280 I do not play cyclonic. Rift. 1269 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,080 I think I'm the only one that does. 1270 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,480 In our butt now, actually, because I'm not running it's, 1271 01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:13,440 it's in my. Zombies deck? 1272 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,400 No, it's not in. Zombies. 1273 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,040 It's in Miram Miram Miram. Your favorite deck? 1274 01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,160 I did. I'm like the. 1275 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,840 You ever see the TikTok of the dogs getting out of the pond and 1276 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,440 they're going yeah, it's the. Oregano in the pond. 1277 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:27,600 Cilantro. Cilantro. 1278 01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,040 Cilantro. I hate cilantro. 1279 01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,240 Yeah, that's how I feel about Cyclonic Rift. 1280 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,680 It was awesome and standard. I played the hell out of it, but 1281 01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,160 Commander just feels so bad. Anyway, that's it for us 1282 01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,640 tonight. If you guys liked what you 1283 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,840 heard, give us like give, subscribe, follow us wherever 1284 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,120 you can find us. We should be on Apple Music 1285 01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:46,800 podcast soon too. I just hooked that up today 1286 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,120 because I forgot it existed. It's only the top. 1287 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,520 There's the second most streamed platform for podcasts and I 1288 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:55,960 didn't have us on there, so better late than never. 1289 01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,840 All right, that's all we got for you guys tonight. 1290 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,200 Be awesome out there. We'll see you next time.