1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Welcome to the Gamer Dad Podcast, where we talk about all 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:04,600 things Magic the Gathering and gaming. 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,080 We strive to keep things fun fit into our busy lives because 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,640 gaming's worth finding time for. I'm Gamer dad Bob, a 30 year 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,600 Magic the Gathering veteran who's played formats from Legacy 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,800 to Standard to Commander, and I've brewed some absolute 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,520 nonsense decks over the years. Jesse can vouch for that. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:26,240 But nothing quite as chaotic as and as fun as what our guest 9 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:31,320 brings to the table tonight. And I am Jesse Hoagy, also a 30 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,080 year Magic the Gathering vet dad of 2 gamer girls, a guitar 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,240 player of questionable questionable skill, and the guy 12 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,240 who somehow still blames manuscriu for all his life 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,160 problems. That's right, it bleeds into 14 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:46,200 real life when when you get manuscript. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,040 Tonight we are joined by Jane Judge. 16 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,520 You might know her as Jane plays Magic Grixis, evil dungeon 17 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,440 master, community builder and con regular. 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,040 Now, I've seen you at every con for like the last couple years. 19 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,600 I'm doing my best. We're going to get into all of 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,040 it, the decks, the content, the community. 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,440 What exactly is a Hex girl? And yes, the person behind it 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:09,360 all. But before we dive in, remember 23 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,960 this podcast is powered by you, our listeners. 24 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:14,560 If you'd like to support, we do head over to Patreon. 25 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,600 Most of what's there is free. It's kind of where I post my 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,120 blogs, essays, deeper thoughts around MTG, the podcast, 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,000 production work. If you want to chip in a few 28 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,960 bucks, it helps keep everything running. 29 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,960 The podcast, the gear, the time it takes to get this stuff 30 00:01:27,960 --> 00:01:29,640 right. It's completely optional, but it 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,640 is the best place to keep up with everything happening behind 32 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,960 the mic. And also, don't forget to stick 33 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,360 around for flavor text or song lyrics. 34 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:40,400 At our midway point, will Jesse try to stump me with some 35 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,840 obscure card or pull something off my plate? 36 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,560 And before we really jump in, let's talk a little bit about 37 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,640 who we have sitting with us today, because this is someone 38 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,680 whose presence has genuinely made waves across the MTG 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,320 community. Jane. 40 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,240 As most of you know, her Jane plays Magic, has built one of 41 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,600 the most creative corners of the Commander scene. 42 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,640 She's the grixist witch behind the Hex Girls themed pods. 43 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,919 She's dabbled in CEDH, just told me she has a CEDH tournament 44 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,920 coming up very soon, cooked up some new formats, or at least I 45 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,920 think so in secret partners and somehow makes it all look 46 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,560 effortless. She's a Las Vegas creator, 47 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,800 cosplayer, dungeon master, and full time community builder. 48 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,800 Her audience keeps growing, over 1500 subscribers on YouTube, 49 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,080 more than 1600 followers on Blue Sky, and a few 100 loyal 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,280 regulars tuning in on Twitch. Those might sound just like 51 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,200 numbers, but what they really show is connection. 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,200 People show up because her tables are fun, inclusive, and 53 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,280 authors authentic. Jane has championed marginalized 54 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,440 voices, lifts up the trans community, and brings that come 55 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,640 as you are energy to every Commander table she touches. 56 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Her streams mix style, personality, and play skill in a 57 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,520 way that's completely her own. And if you've caught her live, 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,360 you've already know that energy is contagious. 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,200 We're thrilled to have her here today to talk magic, creativity, 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,080 and what it means to show up as your full self in this hobby. 61 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,560 Jane, welcome. Thank you. 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,920 Thank you. It's so crazy to hear you say 63 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:15,280 all of that about me. I'm really here living my 64 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,360 dreams, just playing some Magic the Gathering for everyone to 65 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,400 watch. And you do want to watch, and 66 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,760 I'm so honored. And it's all true. 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,240 At least Jane approved it. So it's definitely true. 68 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,360 Right. So diving right in here. 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,800 So I like kind of getting people's magic origins and not 70 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:35,120 for like the sense of give me your magic credentials and why 71 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,240 it's important on how long you've been playing and 72 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,000 everything. But I feel like seeing you in an 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,640 interview, maybe it was with Shivam, you mentioned that Lord 74 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,280 of the Rings was your entry point. 75 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,160 Is that correct? So. 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,400 Did Universes Beyond do its job here? 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,800 Tell me a little bit about that. I do think so. 78 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:58,920 I started playing Magic in 2020. I was a COVID magic baby and I 79 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,160 did just mostly stuff at home. And then my partner and I just 80 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,160 went to the LGS one Friday. We were like, OK, it's time, I'm 81 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,160 going to go do a draft. Let's try that out. 82 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,920 And it ended up accidentally being the pre release for Lord 83 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,160 of the Rings, which we didn't know was a thing at all. 84 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,760 And it was the most magical experience of, you know, 85 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,440 anything that I've ever done in magic. 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,000 And I drew Gollum patient plotter. 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,560 And I was like, oh, though before this I had been just been 88 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,760 playing for my partners collection who loves Selesnia. 89 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,080 So he had traded away all of his cards that weren't like, you 90 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,800 know, little token creators or big stomp guys. 91 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,320 And Gollum was a graveyard kind of mechanic. 92 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,240 And so I built this deck about graveyard mechanics. 93 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,320 And that was the thing that really was like, OK, I'm into 94 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,160 this. It has stuff that I like too. 95 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,960 So did did knowing the Lord of the Rings lore kind of help you 96 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,760 understand the cards a little bit better? 97 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,240 I'm assuming that that's what pulled you in also, right? 98 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Absolutely. I am an extended versions Lord 99 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,840 of the Rings girly. I know all the little facts 100 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:00,320 about Viggo Mortensen's toe and the tomato and you know. 101 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Love it. Freaking love it. 102 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:03,320 So fun. Fact. 103 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,000 Definitely. From my hometown. 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Really. Yeah, his parents raised him in 105 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:11,080 Watertown, NY. That's where I'm from. 106 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,720 Small world, huh? And you've never. 107 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,600 Fun. When he was, when it was like 108 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,360 the whole movies were in in the theaters and stuff, I was like, 109 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,120 hey, he's from my town. That's cute. 110 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,000 I think one of our best is like Kelsey Grammars from Saratoga or 111 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:27,760 something. Jesse. 112 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,200 Yeah, yeah, somewhere around there. 113 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Jesse and I grew up in the in the same area. 114 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:34,120 We do not live near each other anymore though. 115 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:37,360 Yeah. I decided to move South into 116 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,960 better weather. I got tired of the winters and 117 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,280 now I'm thinking about moving back. 118 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:45,160 N So what do you remember about picking up the game for the 119 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,440 first time? So we have playing your 120 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,840 partner's decks, right? And and you got a heavy dose of 121 00:05:50,840 --> 00:05:53,600 selesnia. Were there any decks that you 122 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,000 looked at from his stuff? And then you're like, well, I 123 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,320 don't quite like this, so I think I'm going to try and build 124 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,720 something. What made you go Yeah, this is 125 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,080 my jam? My partner realized I was 126 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,480 getting bored, I think, and he got some of the dual decks. 127 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,880 We had Obnixilis versus Nyssa, so I of course played the evil 128 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,120 Abnixilis. Lots of hot cards in that deck. 129 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,000 It was really fun. But the one that really got me 130 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,720 was the Might versus Mind dual decks and the Mind 1. 131 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,880 You have like this three cards in a row that you have to play 132 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,800 and if you do them all on one turn, you get to go in your deck 133 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,920 for free and find the Unspeakable and put it out on 134 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,520 the battlefield. And he didn't tell me about 135 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,200 that, so he just sat me down with the sleeved up deck and was 136 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,720 like, here you go, you're going to solve this little puzzle. 137 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,920 And that was interesting, maybe the best Magic experience I've 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,920 ever had. Somebody just handed me a deck 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,240 that was a little puzzle I didn't know was coming. 140 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,000 And yeah, that was quite the experience. 141 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,560 And you solved it. It sounds like too as you were 142 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,320 playing. A few games, I didn't do it the 143 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,440 first time and I was like, I don't wanna shuffle, I don't 144 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,200 wanna see, I don't wanna know what's in there. 145 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,000 I wanna find this out like naturally through the game. 146 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,160 So yeah. Okay, that's kind of cool. 147 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,640 It was really fun. I highly recommend the dual 148 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,800 decks. There may be one of the best 149 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,360 magic products out there in my opinion. 150 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,360 I think any of those kinds of decks are really good entry 151 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,200 point into TCG. Like my son is into Pokémon and 152 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,800 I'm trying to find some of those decks, but of course scalpers 153 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,040 get them all first. But I love those dual decks, the 154 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,960 entries. I mean, I remember Angels versus 155 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Demons, those dual decks from from the thousand 10s, right? 156 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,720 Those were fun too. And and Jace versus Chandra. 157 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,000 That was some of the first plane planeswalker decks I saw. 158 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,280 I didn't know what the hell planeswalker was. 159 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,280 I was like, what do you mean they have planeswalk? 160 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,800 Like what planeswalk? Yeah, they can attack in a 161 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,520 plane. No, no, these are a different 162 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,720 card type altogether, Bob. I was out of Magic for so long 163 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:50,160 and came back in like prime Lorwin planeswalkers coming into 164 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,120 Origins here and Oh my gosh, talk about drinking from a 165 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,200 firehose. I can't imagine what your, your, 166 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,400 your life has been like here. And then you gravitated. 167 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,680 I get to play a game. And then every time someone 168 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,680 shows me a new card, that is just a fresh experience to me. 169 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,640 So and then you gravitated toward Grixis, right? 170 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,960 Which is the blue, black and red Shard. 171 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,320 So was it Sauron? Was it Saurmon was it? 172 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:17,000 You know what was inspiring there? 173 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,280 I love. Brixus I went shopping for pre 174 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,800 cons and I was like OK, I want a vampire, I want something that 175 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,800 does sacrifice and I found the new Kapena one on Hello the 176 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,320 painter. That's my my very first Brixis 177 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,200 deck and I haven't taken it apart to this day because I just 178 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,640 love playing it. I think the commander deck just 179 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,960 in the box plays so incredibly well. 180 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,200 It's a perfect power level to not be totally overpowering if 181 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,320 other people are playing pre cons, but also you get to play 182 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,520 26 tap 22 zombies sometimes. It's very exciting. 183 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,840 It's a deck with a lot of drama and flair in it. 184 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,720 Chris Mooney did this deck. He also made Parnessa, who's 185 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,480 like maybe the more powerful alternate commander in that one. 186 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,200 But you know, Anhala's got the flavour. 187 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,200 But Chris Mooney also did the Avatar decks. 188 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,560 So I'm really, really excited to play with the quick question 189 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:02,560 there. He was the head designer for 190 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:04,200 this one. Yeah, you have them pre-ordered 191 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,320 then? Of course. 192 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,080 Love it. So was it? 193 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,440 It was always Grixis. Never dabbled in like the Esper 194 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Shard, the white, blue, black, or Bant, the white, blue-green 195 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,560 or. Did think I was Demir 196 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,120 originally, and then I was like, red is a little too crazy. 197 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,720 I don't know, I don't want to just discard my stuff. 198 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,400 I didn't like exiling my cards and not doing some sort of 199 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,560 graveyard value thing with them. But then yeah, the red really 200 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,640 accelerates the on Hello deck in a way that no other color can 201 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,120 really do. It just makes it go a little 202 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:35,920 faster, you know? Goblin Mayhem. 203 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,160 Jesse, you love red decks. I love red decks. 204 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,320 Like I think all I can't. I have a hard time thinking of 205 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,280 any deck that doesn't have red other than Slesnia. 206 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,760 I'm a big slesnia guy too. My first ever commander deck I 207 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,000 had was Celestnia and it was Rise the Redeemed and that 208 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,040 actually had like the original duels. 209 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,920 I had a Gaze Cradle in there and then I sold my car. 210 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,200 That's but yeah, red is always, I'm always a John guy usually. 211 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,720 So I'm always, always using the red. 212 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,640 Was there an early moment where your deck did the thing that I 213 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,000 was supposed to do? And what did it feel like 214 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,480 finally to dial that that in? I mean, I think you already 215 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,480 described it was kind of that the puzzle thing that you had. 216 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,000 Yeah, I do love the puzzle. But honestly, when I was first 217 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,560 building that Golem deck, my very first commander deck I ever 218 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,560 made, my partner was like, is this even going to work? 219 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:23,400 Does this do something? You know, because he's just 220 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,720 paying me for one every time. It's just like the smallest 221 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:27,240 little thing. And then when it finally 222 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,520 happened and I was like, OK, this is going to work. 223 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,840 You know, I'm building it out of traps. 224 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,560 So it took a few traps, but we got there and we got something 225 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,520 that really, you know, it slapped. 226 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,640 And that was really fun to design something that wasn't 227 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,600 just something that was handed to me in a little magic package. 228 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,360 I think a lot of everybody's commander experience, it's like 229 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,600 I'm just throwing these cards in a pile of 100 Singleton. 230 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,320 I think there's some synergy here. 231 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,560 Let's see what it does. And then you kind of reform, you 232 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:56,640 know, you refine it from there and it's like, OK, now I've got 233 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,200 some combos, now I've got some synergy, now I can do the thing. 234 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:03,440 And, and I think that's really cool that you you kind of found 235 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,320 that in the Golan deck. Sorry. 236 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,000 But I love playing a hot stack of garbage. 237 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:08,760 It's so I was. Going to say that's like 238 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,560 everybody's commander experience really is you. 239 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,760 You have your first deck. It's just the card that you 240 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,520 like. It's like all these are my 241 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,120 favorite cards. I'm gonna throw them all into 242 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,720 like this doesn't work, so let's try this. 243 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Let's try this. And then it's kind of like just 244 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,640 iterating on it every every single time you change it. 245 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,400 Yep, Jesse and I saying the same thing. 246 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,960 That's so wild that that just popped into our heads there like 247 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,600 that. So you came into Magic Jane in a 248 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,400 very connected area, right? There was such an amount of 249 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,040 content. There's Discord servers left and 250 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,440 right. I've lost count of the amount of 251 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,200 ones that I'm a member of at this point. 252 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,800 There's online pod spell table. It's such a different starting 253 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,040 point than a lot of us had in Magic the Gathering. 254 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,360 How do you think that's shaped what Magic means to you in 255 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,280 particular? Well, funnily enough, for the 256 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 first two years that I played Magic, I didn't really engage 257 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,040 with any of that. You know, my partner, I had some 258 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,360 questions or whatever. They showed me a professor video 259 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,760 and I was like, OK, that seems like it's for nerds. 260 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,160 Took me a few years to figure out I was one of them. 261 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,720 But I think I just didn't really engage with the Magic content 262 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,480 that was out there because, you know, personally, it just didn't 263 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,120 feel for me. It was focused on making decks 264 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,400 more powerful and that wasn't really a problem I was 265 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,240 encountering. So it wasn't, it wasn't 266 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,520 something I really wanted to watch. 267 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,960 I only really started getting into like the online community 268 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,080 when I started being a creator. And that's just because I was in 269 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,160 the mail. And it's more fun to be in a 270 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,960 community that you can actively participate in, at least in my 271 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,120 experience. So until I had something to say, 272 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,280 I didn't. I didn't come in What? 273 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,080 What was your first play group liked, if you remember that and 274 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,120 you still play with those people? 275 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,480 I do, I do. My first play group was just 276 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,280 kind of my local community, my friends. 277 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,760 We got a lot of them into Magic because, you know, we didn't 278 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,280 have a lot of Magic playing friends. 279 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,800 But it turns out there are a bunch of weird nerds in Las 280 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,040 Vegas who like to play Magic too. 281 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:00,240 So we found them all and you know, some people from my very 282 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,760 first play group moved to the Netherlands and so we have like 283 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:05,320 an every other week spell table game with them. 284 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,240 I think Magic is such a great way to stay connected with 285 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,880 people and it has really been that kind of through line in my 286 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,800 life. How I feel bad? 287 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,920 Yeah, like Bob said, he moved away and we we still play 288 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,320 commander over spell table. So it's it's definitely a great 289 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,000 way to stay connected. It's a great excuse to sit down. 290 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:25,920 She said the Netherlands and I'm like now I feel bad because I 291 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,120 have one of my good college roommate friends is is Dutch. 292 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,880 He lives in the Netherlands now and I'm like, I never talked to 293 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,760 him and we never play because of the time you. 294 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Went to. Amsterdam. 295 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,280 Together to the I went. To Magic Con, I went to Magic 296 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,680 Con Amsterdam, but I haven't talked to him much since. 297 00:13:39,680 --> 00:13:41,880 It's it's, yeah. You got to wake up early in the 298 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:43,400 morning. I got to do better. 299 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,120 I got to do better. It's funny because you're 300 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,120 friends with him and I also was in online games with him too, so 301 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,360 it's like we got to swap friends back and forth. 302 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,080 She was like, did any other creators help pull you in early 303 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,240 or was it more like friends that were kind of polishing things 304 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,280 up? Oh, I was so lucky when I very 305 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,160 first went to a Magic Con. I went to Magic Con Vegas in 306 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,040 2024. This was like right when I was 307 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,720 first kind of toying with the idea of being a content creator. 308 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,960 And I came to Magic Con and I met some of the people in Birds 309 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,480 of Paradise and I went and sat at their purple tables at the 310 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,480 the Magic Con thing. And it was like a, you know, 311 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,280 safe space for queer gamers or whatever. 312 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,120 And I met so many cool people. And those connections are really 313 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,240 what skyrocketed me to where I am today. 314 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,720 And I'm so grateful to the people who talked to me when I 315 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,000 came and I was nobody with weird decks and a weird outfit on, but 316 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,360 everyone wanted to say hi. The Magic community is very open 317 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,360 and welcoming. What'd you say? 318 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,280 The Gathering Grounds. That's where I spent most of my 319 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,840 time in Atlanta this year. I was hanging out with the 320 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,480 Pendragon crew the. Gathering grounds is rad. 321 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,520 It, it is really cool. There's you get so many people 322 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,920 in and out of there too, Like if someone who's standing with a 323 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,920 clicker, I mean, the amount of people that rotate in and out 324 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,840 from those tables, it's wild. And and the Birds of Paradise 325 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:02,320 booth was always packed, right? I love it, I love it. 326 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,960 Always packed as as I observed. That representation really 327 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:08,720 matters, you know, we find each other. 328 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,840 For sure, for sure. And, and, and you know what, 329 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,160 we'll touch on this a little bit later, but like having that 330 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,600 welcoming presence is so important as a creator in 331 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,440 general. You don't want to put up those 332 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,520 walls. You, you need to be there for 333 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,560 everybody and you have to truly care about it because you're not 334 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400 going to succeed if you don't truly care if that's not who you 335 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,040 are. So when did it go from playing 336 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,400 games with your local play group to sharing them, to recording 337 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,200 them, putting them up on YouTube to streaming them? 338 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,760 What made you decide, yeah, I'm going to hit that live button? 339 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,960 I guess I had already had a little bit of training. 340 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,920 I had done some D&D streaming, and I was looking for a new way 341 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,760 to do something that I streamed like a game on Twitch. 342 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:59,440 And so Magic kind of filled that space for me because I was 343 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,680 really nervous. You have to get three people 344 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:06,160 together to do a Twitch stream. It is a big ask, gathering three 345 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,440 of your little friends together to do a game on a certain time, 346 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,320 and they have to look a certain way, be presentable or show up, 347 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,680 have all their lights on and whatever. 348 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,480 You know, it's really, really hard to to do, but luckily there 349 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,720 are like a good fifty of us that are very motivated and all come 350 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,560 on each other's streams. So ever since I started, it has 351 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,720 been easy to fill pods and I'm so so grateful for the community 352 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,560 for doing that for each other. Was it nerve wracking at first? 353 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,280 I don't know, it's kind of nerve wracking, but like I said, I had 354 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,720 training and you know, performance is in my blood. 355 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,320 I need a little something to get me nervous and ready to go. 356 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,240 I always have, you know, some weird performance that I'm 357 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,720 planning or you know, moving towards and Magic gives you so 358 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,640 many opportunities to do that. You know, at Magic cons, which 359 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,720 is my favorite thing in the world, doing the spectacle 360 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,240 plays, doing events. I love to do that kind of like 361 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,360 crowd work and big performance in person. 362 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,360 You. What was the the was it 363 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,200 spectacle play that you had with Brad and Steph was and it was 364 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:07,079 like weird first person cameras. That that wasn't a spectacle 365 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,359 play. They just had a a table over in 366 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,319 the creator zone at Magic con Atlanta and they let the 367 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:14,920 creators apply to like have an hour or two there. 368 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,200 We just filmed an episode in VR 360 because I have a lot of 369 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,599 VR360 camera. So I just brought it. 370 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,720 I hooked it up. If you go to my YouTube, you 371 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,000 know, you can go sit at the convention and watch like, you 372 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,280 know, the decked out crew have meet and greet right next to us 373 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,560 playing an episode of magic. It's wild. 374 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 It's really, really fun. Yeah, I, I caught it on your 375 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,400 channel. I was like, what, What am I 376 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,960 looking at here? This is this is a very different 377 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,840 camera angle that I'm used to for these these kinds of games. 378 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,400 You can click and drag around if you want to watch and if you. 379 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,760 Have a VR headset you. Can plug right in so you can 380 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,640 see. I wish I could do that. 381 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:47,560 I'd. Try that with my. 382 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,880 I'd get most of Jesse. You're going to have to tell me. 383 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:50,880 Yeah. I have. 384 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,760 It's not the Quest 3, it's the Quest 2 I have that. 385 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,680 I'll have to try that. Yeah, our VR camera shoots an 386 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,160 8K, so it should look crisp and delicious. 387 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Wow. So you've built this real 388 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,080 identity with your hex girls pods. 1st I'm going to put my 389 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,640 old man hat on because I I truly don't know this. 390 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,640 What is a hex girl and can can I be 1? 391 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,760 And then second like how did the idea start for these? 392 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:23,040 OK, OK, so a Hex Girl is a scooby-doo fake band. 393 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,840 So it's like a three girl band. They're all goth, they're all 394 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:27,640 witchy, they're gorgeous, they're punk. 395 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:33,440 You know, it's this sort of like witchy band that like, you know, 396 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,720 defends the castle. There's like a, you know, a big 397 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,240 monster who like comes and is threatening them. scooby-doo 398 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:39,640 people save them whatever they did. 399 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,960 A couple of these movies, they're great. 400 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,560 The Hex Girls songs, though, spectacular and the styling on 401 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,720 them is like such classic 90s goth girl punk. 402 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,040 Like it's a real cult sensation, I would say with the girlies, 403 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:58,680 especially the gay girlies. So everyone had a favorite hex 404 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,880 girl that you had a crush on and a hex girl that you wanted to 405 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,360 be. So it was very, very easy to get 406 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,120 people to build a Hex girl decks because everyone had this 407 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,360 emotional connection to them. And you know, I'm doing a couple 408 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:11,800 of other media tie insurance and stuff like that, like maybe 409 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,440 Powerpuff Girls and things like that. 410 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Stuff that people have a like a real strong color identity 411 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,800 associated with as well as an emotional connection to. 412 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,960 But out of all of them, Hex Girls is definitely the one that 413 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,560 took the pod by storm. And and we've seen like the all 414 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,440 braids pods, right? The the you had an all venom pod 415 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,720 also. OK, OK. 416 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,240 So we're, we're we're getting a theme here, right? 417 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,280 I love to do a silly theme, you know, I am a soccer for a mini 418 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,560 game or you know, anything like that. 419 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,600 I didn't write this question down, but do you find that you 420 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,280 you kind of role play a little bit in these pods? 421 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,600 Do you, do you almost, you know, you get to put on your Dungeon 422 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Master hat and you get to role play a little bit as well for 423 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,200 these pods as as you're going, as you build the themes out. 424 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,600 Most definitely I will put on a silly voice and I have a little 425 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,280 attitude and energy about it. I really love that. 426 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:05,360 I think something that magic feels for me is that like play 427 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,640 space where you can be an adult and it is still acceptable for 428 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,320 you to do a silly voice and do a little plaything together. 429 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,880 It's really a space where people are open to that kind of magic 430 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,960 and that kind of connection, and that's, you know. 431 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,680 I thrive on that. I always joke that one of these 432 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,480 days, of course, I I can't do this now because I don't, but I 433 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,960 was Jesse, do you remember I used to joke and say that I was 434 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,640 going to sit down at our F&M and role play the entire night as as 435 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:32,640 a planeswalker playing the deck. I used to threaten that and and 436 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,440 say, I'm just going, I am Bob the enchanter and I cast counter 437 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,320 spell and and I would have gotten kicked out so fast. 438 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,440 But that's the kind of safe space that that you have where 439 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,000 where people can be someone else at the table. 440 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600 I love that put on your secret identity with me. 441 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,520 Yeah, you've also been running something called Secret Partners 442 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,160 and I have to know, is this something that you've cooked up? 443 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,840 Because I haven't seen that in any sub formats or anything. 444 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:08,360 And, and the idea that I, I of it sounds so fun and so insanely 445 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,520 chaotic. Can you, can you talk to us a 446 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:15,520 little bit about that, that format of EDH and, and and just 447 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,800 describe what, what it is? Yeah, it's really such a blast. 448 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,640 OK, so before the pod sits down, I have my partner who is not in 449 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,880 the pod assign a name to everybody. 450 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,600 So he just randomizes our names and hands out a name to 451 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800 everybody. Sometimes you do a little pod 452 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,040 design to mess with me, like, you know, changing patterns or 453 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,360 whatever. But everybody has an assigned 454 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:39,160 partner and you win if only you and your partner are left on the 455 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,040 board. But if your partner dies, you 456 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,520 can't win. That is just off the table. 457 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:47,240 So it's like an alternate win con, a secret, and also a 458 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:51,720 diplomacy game rolled into one. So there's a lot of like trying 459 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,120 to throw people off, like not trying to say who's your secret 460 00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,600 partner in the beginning. There's a lot of drama involved 461 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,040 in this. So I think it's really fun 462 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:01,560 actually did not invent this, though I did steal it. 463 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,840 I think I watched it on a Tabletop jocks episode actually. 464 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,560 I was going to say who? Deserves the credit there. 465 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,800 Let's make sure that they get that if we can. 466 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,640 I do think the tabletop jocks stole it too so it's something 467 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,280 that's been out there for a while man and I highly suggest 468 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,760 if you want to do it on your channel, please play some secret 469 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,360 partners. Mini games are so fun. 470 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:23,520 That has got to be so wild, like, and obviously there's the 471 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,240 unspoken rule, right? I can't be like, Jesse, come on, 472 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,920 we got to do this, get your shit together. 473 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,400 You know, we got to win this, do that. 474 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,840 Though, you know, and that works as a bluff, as a different 475 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,760 tactic. You know, there have been people 476 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,200 with all sorts of strategies that come to the secret partners 477 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,120 table. Sometimes people don't know that 478 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,680 we're doing that or, you know, don't build decks around it. 479 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,280 But I've had people come on with the deck that is like, I'm gonna 480 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,120 kill at secret partners with this deck. 481 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:46,760 So. Huh. 482 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,960 Yeah. That's a whole new dynamic that 483 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:51,280 I haven't followed. Yeah, that sounds fun. 484 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,240 Yeah. Yeah, it does. 485 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,400 I did come up with one mini game which I think is such a blast 486 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,400 and if you want to steal this one please feel free. 487 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Also it's called Chaos EDH where we have a random Skyfall card on 488 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,840 the screen and anyone can cast it with mana of any color. 489 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,760 That one's it's really intense. It speeds games up quite a bit. 490 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Is it like 1 cast or cast at any time you want? 491 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,200 You cast it, and if you cast it, a new card comes up. 492 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,760 So sometimes people cast it just to get it out of the way, so 493 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,600 there's a new something cool. Yeah, it's fun. 494 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,720 That's really cool. I know Joe Kilchar is playing 495 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,600 that now on this channel so. OK, that's completely random. 496 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:31,600 Like you don't choose it it it's just random. 497 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,760 Wow, sometimes it's a crappy one and we just all like agree to 498 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,080 that one software. We're just switching. 499 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,240 It's very vibes based. Cool. 500 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,920 And you do CDH two, you're pretty much doing everything. 501 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,320 You went all in on that. Do you flip like a switch 502 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,480 mentally to go from like casual to competitive? 503 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760 You know, this may surprise you, but I play CDH almost exactly 504 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,920 the same way I play casual. If we're on my channel, CED has 505 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:57,880 takes these vaccines. You know, we're talking about 506 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,880 people's turns. Like, I don't know, I get that 507 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,840 it's serious and we're competitive and we're all trying 508 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,520 to win, yes, but like, what if we all tried to learn how to 509 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,400 play a CED H Jack Better Together? 510 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Would that be more fun? Right, So do those does that 511 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,000 change the dynamic of CDH for you guys? 512 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,640 So you you mentioned that there, you know, you guys get to do 513 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,880 take C backsies and stuff. Is it like I fumble the combo 514 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,280 and and the rest of the table is going to be like, here's how it 515 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,920 could have gone and then you kind of walk through it. 516 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,640 Sometimes it's like that for people who are very new or 517 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,120 playing a combo for the first time. 518 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:32,080 Yeah, I do think that's really helpful. 519 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,560 You know, people did it for me when I started playing Tasiger 520 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,920 in my, you know, 20 step hoarding brood Lord combo. 521 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,160 Lord knows I needed a lot of help trying to learn how to do 522 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,880 this. In the beginning, sometimes I 523 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,880 would tutor for the wrong thing and people would be like, oh, 524 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,320 wait, you're going to get stuck there. 525 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,320 You know, I think that kind of learning is really helpful. 526 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,360 And as I have grown as a CEDH player now I don't need that 527 00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:54,840 anymore and I can take off those training wheels. 528 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080 But I really enjoy the space to have the training wheels and not 529 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,440 feel like an idiot when you mess something up and your friends 530 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,880 are like ha ha you suck. It's a different vibe than that. 531 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,640 Did you did you stream those or were those offline to start? 532 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,440 My very first ones were offline. I was so nervous. 533 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,240 I was like, I'm gonna mess up every piece of this. 534 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,120 I wrote flash cards, like color-coded and stuff like, you 535 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:20,480 know, I don't if I'm playing casual, I'm very low stakes 536 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,120 about it. But if I'm playing competitive, 537 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:25,320 I am here to win and I'm here to crush you and I need to do well. 538 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,200 My emotional well-being rests on this in a way that it probably 539 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,720 shouldn't. So, you know, even when we're 540 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,120 playing casual CEDH, you know, we're trying to win. 541 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,840 It's not like totally free for all, whatever goes. 542 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,440 I don't know, Jesse. It sounds like Jane does flip 543 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,640 the switch. It does. 544 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,880 It does. It's there. 545 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,480 It's there, you know, and there's a certain point at 546 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,920 which, you know, we're in a tournament. 547 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,400 There's no take these backsies here. 548 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,680 There are spaces for certain things. 549 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,960 But you know, that's the code switching of Magic the 550 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,440 Gathering. You got to be able to read the 551 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,480 vibe. Speaking of switching, OK, now 552 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,600 it's kind of a bad segue. So do you tend to prep or play 553 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,760 different decks for camera as opposed to like just offline 554 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,720 with your friends? Does does your deck building 555 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,480 change? You know, sometimes Jesse, and I 556 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,760 know this all too well. We, we feel the pressure to 557 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,080 build these decks to perform on camera, streaming them, you know 558 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,120 what I mean? And it's like, sometimes it's 559 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:22,000 more than just like the deck needs to be efficient, but how 560 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,840 big is the thing that it does? How fun is the thing that it 561 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,520 does? And, and I mean, I, I build to 562 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,280 do the thing I am. Jesse, I think you'd agree. 563 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,560 I'm a much more casual commander player than than you are in 564 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,920 general, but my deck builds sometimes bleed into competitive 565 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,600 anyway. But I don't necessarily play the 566 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,640 decks cut through. You know, there's kind of, so do 567 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600 you, do you kind of prep your decks different? 568 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,960 Do you play them different depending on what's going on? 569 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:51,280 How does that go for you? Yeah, I think kind of no matter 570 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,360 what deck I'm building, I'm building for the drama, for the 571 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:56,160 entertainment, for the excitement. 572 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:58,240 Even if I'm playing just personally, that's the thing 573 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,000 that I like about Magic. So all of my decks are built to 574 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000 do a big, dramatic, exciting thing, not necessarily to win, 575 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,440 but I'm in the kind of unique spot where my play groups 576 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,160 offline are very low power, usually like one to two bracket 577 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,880 at the most. People are playing with chaff. 578 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,720 My friends who are local maybe don't buy a lot of cards or even 579 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,480 go to pre releases and stuff like that. 580 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,560 So I have to sort of code switch, shift my energy, shift 581 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,000 my attitudes and play with them at a lower power level, a lower, 582 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,880 you know, competitiveness level, which is fine, which is fun, 583 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,480 honestly. Sometimes I will play my decks 584 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,760 that are threes and fours and I will just play entirely 585 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,160 differently, not necessarily wrong, but like with a different 586 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280 energy and a different goal in mind. 587 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,960 And that's fine. You know you could sit at a 588 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,040 table with any kinds of decks together as long as you have the 589 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,520 right vibes. That's that's. 590 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,880 True online, people are playing fours and fives and you know, 591 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,440 content creators go crazy. If you have access to all of the 592 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:51,880 tools, you know you're going to use them. 593 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,520 So people who have a larger Magic library, a larger 594 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,240 collection, you know, you have to, you have to play differently 595 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,240 around people who have been playing for 30 years like you 596 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,120 guys. Well, both of us sold our 597 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,960 collections, so we're not as. Originally, yeah, we're we're 598 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,800 we're definitely a doubt and that he could. 599 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,960 Probably quote guys cradle from memory so you know, you have to 600 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,280 play differently around people who know these tools that I 601 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,400 don't always understand. That's true. 602 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,600 And and there's a lot of, you know, you talked about this last 603 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,280 week, a lot of insider lingo and everything that that isn't 604 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,120 explicitly there for people like if I talk about Bob the card, 605 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:30,080 Bob, some people, many people actually don't know. 606 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,280 That's dark confident. I am going to say I did not know 607 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,320 that one. I know a lot of them. 608 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,680 I know. Steve, you know, and to be fair, 609 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,840 that's fine. And that's Bob. 610 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,720 Steve, you know what about? Sad Robot? 611 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,240 Do you know Sad Robot? I do know Sad robot, yes. 612 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840 OK, nice. OK I play EDH now so I'm 613 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,120 learning all the little words. See, this is perfect. 614 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,600 So, you know, I find that I will definitely be able to play 615 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,520 suboptimal lines in strong decks to kind of balance things out 616 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,120 depending on how the table situation is too, right? 617 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,440 So yeah, you don't you don't have to play the optimal play 618 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,560 for the board state given the time, especially if like you 619 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,400 want to just prolong the game and hang out with your friends 620 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,160 longer. It's like, I don't know, I could 621 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,440 win right now or I could do this and continue. 622 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,880 The game play. Yeah, right. 623 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,960 So, you know, pitch that board. Yeah, there are multiple times 624 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,360 where someone in our pod has a way to end the game right then 625 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,240 and there, but we're like, I'm not gonna do that yet because 626 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,880 we've only been playing for 15 minutes. 627 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,640 Yeah. But like we want to play a 628 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,280 little bit longer. It's happened multiple times I 629 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:38,680 think so usually. It's from you. 630 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,720 Yeah, yeah, cuz like Miram or Edgar or something that will go 631 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,440 off and I'll have like the. Purpose when you play the 632 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080 heater. Yeah and then I'm like, OK, I 633 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960 could kill everybody now and then I don't. 634 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,840 And then 10 minutes later I regret it cuz I'm dead. 635 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,160 Across the YouTube, Twitch, blue sky, all social media stuff, you 636 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000 have probably a lot of different different following, but a lot 637 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,920 of crossover for the following. Does each base feel different to 638 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,200 you or is it kind of like all the same and it just doesn't 639 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,760 matter like what color the icon is that you're going to be on 640 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,400 that day? I mean, there's some proof to 641 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,960 that, but each individual space has a different community, a 642 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,840 different energy. Like blue sky is where all the 643 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,800 girlies are. That's where you know, the gay 644 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,920 people hang out online. Twitter is a hellscape that 645 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,680 nobody posts on anymore. You know, they all have a 646 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,040 different energy. I really like Twitch. 647 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920 The people are chatty. It's a great vibe in the room. 648 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,520 It's very companionly because everyone is talking to each 649 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,480 other real time. And YouTube is sort of like, I 650 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,800 don't know, screaming into the wind and hoping three people 651 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,800 will hear you. And you know, those three people 652 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,320 hear you and they come watch all your content. 653 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,800 And I love them. Yeah, what? 654 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,840 How do you feel like? What's your honest feeling about 655 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,440 the engagement in Blue Sky? It's weird because I have been 656 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,000 on so many different social medias where it's really really 657 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,840 easy to grow. Blue sky is very difficult to 658 00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,920 grow on. The algorithms don't really 659 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,920 prioritize good content. They just show you all of the 660 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,720 most recent content, which has its benefits. 661 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,920 It also has its drawbacks. You know, every algorithm is 662 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,720 going to make choices and they're going to hurt somebody. 663 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Content creators can grow really easy on algorithms like 664 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,000 Instagrams, but also Instagrams algorithm is deeply punishing 665 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,760 for those of us who don't conform so. 666 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Yeah, that's that's interesting because I even find myself 667 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,160 guilty of this on Blue Sky. Like I will like a post, but I 668 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200 don't click the button. I'll just kind of nod silently 669 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,800 and scroll on, you know, and, and I think that's just that's 670 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,680 blue sky in a nutshell. It's most people in blue sky 671 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680 right now vibe with each other and the validation loop, 672 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,680 feedback loop doesn't exist right now And, and we still need 673 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,800 to train each other. Oh shit, I like that. 674 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,720 Let me hit that like button. Let me repost that because no 675 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,800 algorithm is feeding that and oh, by ever, by the way, 676 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,920 everything in blue sky is so fleeting. 677 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,960 Like if you ever see yourself post something, it's gone from 678 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,680 from your feed in minutes. You have to Scroll down for, you 679 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,640 know, 6-7 scrolls before you even see your post again. 680 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,360 And you're like, oh, that's why I have no likes on that. 681 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,760 You know, it's like. We treat your friends. 682 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,400 We treat artists you like. It's free. 683 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,080 Exactly, exactly that we need to train each other better for blue 684 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:13,960 sky. That's that's actually a really 685 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,960 good question, Jesse. So segueing off of that 686 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,920 actually. So The thing is, the followings 687 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,600 that you have and everything, are you like elbow deep into the 688 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,960 analytics on like YouTube like I am? 689 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,000 Or are you just kind of like going on vibes and kind of like, 690 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,720 OK, this one worked. Maybe I can lean into this. 691 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,760 Or are you a little combination of the two? 692 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,640 I mean, I have looked at the stats pretty at length I would 693 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:42,000 say, but I am kind of doing this as a side hustle still and I'm 694 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,240 putting every spare moment of my energy that I can in, so I'm 695 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120 just grateful for whatever I can do. 696 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,080 Content creation is always a formula. 697 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,520 There are ways to use an algorithm to succeed, and you 698 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,360 have to learn those. So if you don't look at your 699 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,400 stats and you don't learn those little pieces, then you know you 700 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160 won't succeed. That's just a part of the job. 701 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,320 That's boring. But. 702 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,600 Banging your head against the wall with the same thing and 703 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,800 true definition of insanity at that point. 704 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,200 Yeah, unless, unless that's just your brand, right? 705 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600 Because it is important to stay true to yourself also, right? 706 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,560 Because I'm not someone to start with, you know, breaking down. 707 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,200 Why Avatar card is controversial or not or something? 708 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,640 That's not my brand. So I'm not going to dig into 709 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,680 that side of content. I'm going to keep doing what I'm 710 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,360 doing and I'm going to refine that based on the stats that I 711 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,400 see. So that's a really good point 712 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,440 too. So pivoting, you have this like 713 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:37,760 whole other side now as as this cosplayer, as Adm as a dungeon 714 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,800 master. And when did that creative side 715 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,120 start crossing over with your magic content or which which 716 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,400 came first? I think I know the answer, but. 717 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,520 So I've been playing D&D and role-playing games like Vampire 718 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,560 to Masquerade and stuff forever. This is actually how I got into 719 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,320 the nerd space. This is the thing that I found 720 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,760 out that I love to do because you get to dress up and play a 721 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,880 little character and do a little voice and everyone else is doing 722 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,520 that. And that's exactly what I would 723 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,200 like to do. So I really love D&D. 724 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,240 You know, I am the person who shows up with a three page back 725 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,480 story. I am here with the outfit and 726 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,600 the energy. So I really, really love that 727 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,880 part. And that has, you know, really 728 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,320 increased the size of my costume closet as well. 729 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,400 I, you know, I did Monsters University, my first DND game 730 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,080 live stream before I came and did magic stuff. 731 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,480 It just really turns out that the people are watching magic 732 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,040 content in a way that they aren't watching RPGs. 733 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,719 There's a different level of investment that you have to have 734 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,000 as a viewer and watching an RPG is a weekly thing. 735 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,000 And you are like, you know, kind of committed for like a long 736 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,679 period of your life to this magic, to this DND content and, 737 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,639 you know, magic games. You can just watch 1. 738 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,320 You can just watch half of it. Yep. 739 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,280 Did you? So you you Vampire Masquerade 740 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,520 mentioned? Did you also LARP Vampire the 741 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,920 Masquerade? I never did any larping but I 742 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,199 did do a lot of Vampire the masquerade games. 743 00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,639 I DM DA few. I was in a bunch here in Vegas. 744 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,640 It was really fun. OK our our buddy Matt from our 745 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,160 pod just did some LARP LARP ping with that with vampire. 746 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,560 I did too in college for a hot minute. 747 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,560 Realized that one of my buddies from college is actually friends 748 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,880 with our buddy Matt and they don't live near each other. 749 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,320 It was it was the strangest thing. 750 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200 It was, but but the point is it was all because of vampire the 751 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,560 masquerade LARP like these sorts of things bring people together. 752 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,160 So so that's they do. I think it's great that that's 753 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,560 that other part of you here that that I I find very interesting 754 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,400 and and it just paints the whole picture right. 755 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,320 Who is Jane? Have you tried any of the 756 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,680 Vampire the Masquerade video games? 757 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,920 Have the soundtracks Incredible. They're. 758 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,320 Incredible. Yeah, The gameplay is not 759 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,760 exactly for me. I'm a yeah. 760 00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,400 The second one just came. Out bloodlines too just came 761 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,520 out. I haven't picked it up yet, 762 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,960 probably one of those like on sale I'll pick it up things, but 763 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,080 I played the first world lines for I don't know how many hours 764 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,160 I was so into that the. First one was pretty fun, yeah. 765 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,960 It was good, like the gameplay, like the combat wasn't so good, 766 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,600 but the story was in the environment and like the whole 767 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,040 vibe was really cool. It's kind of real aesthetic 768 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,440 vampire. You should try it, they're 769 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,720 really fun. It's good. 770 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,880 The first one it's, I mean we're talking like I think it was over 771 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,360 10 years ago the first one came out. 772 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:14,240 So it's very old graphics, very blocky, but the story is 773 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,720 phenomenal on the second one, I think came out two or three 774 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,480 weeks ago. So it's a lot different 775 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,280 obviously, but I hear it's pretty good. 776 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,600 It's not like the best, but it's pretty good. 777 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,840 I think as far as story and vibes, like Vampire really hits 778 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880 for me because it's almost like magical realism. 779 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,200 It's like the real world, like, you know, exactly. 780 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,320 I think Vampire LA, right? Yeah, yeah. 781 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,920 And it's just a little bit of extra magic on top of it, and 782 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,640 that's really cool. I think that's fun to play with. 783 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,520 So it looks like you're you blend performance and play a 784 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,960 lot. Is that something that just 785 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,560 comes naturally or do you have to kind of force yourself to do 786 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,920 it? I mean, I kind of structured my 787 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,720 entire life so that I could do this for everything. 788 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,120 I think, you know, here in the US we have sort of a lack of 789 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,040 third spaces and a lack of adult play spaces. 790 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,880 This is something that sort of had a resurgence in recent 791 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,120 years, you know, like escape rooms have become a thing. 792 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,720 And like, I don't know, men go to like axe throwing places 793 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,320 where you, you know, have a rustic axe you chop into a log. 794 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:11,480 It's all just, it's role-playing. 795 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,280 It's a public space where you can go be a different person for 796 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,040 a few hours. You can pretend to have this 797 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,560 energy that you don't normally have. 798 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,960 And I think we as a society are really hungry for that. 799 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,560 That used to be filled with other kinds of spaces, you know, 800 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,080 like religious community spaces and stuff like that. 801 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,920 And we don't really have those as much anymore. 802 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200 You know, when's the last time you went to an event at your 803 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,320 local library? It's just not something that we 804 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,320 do anymore. So we're thirsty for those 805 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,120 spaces and working for them online. 806 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,120 Yeah, yeah. You do this for your kids. 807 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,960 But like, as an adult, you don't ever have these opportunities 808 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,040 to, like, let that creative piece of you out. 809 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,800 And magic really allows you to do performance. 810 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,800 It allows you to do creative building. 811 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,080 It allows you to do math with your friends. 812 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,200 You know all these things you lose from from growing up? 813 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,400 That's what I would say about magic, is that it really may be 814 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:58,520 good at math. That's the only. 815 00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,640 Reason I'm good at math. It really does. 816 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,440 Not because you were a computer science major. 817 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,320 I mean, that helped, but it's all because of magic. 818 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,200 Magic the gathering helps with math. 819 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,520 You heard it here first. So so Jane, your streams, your 820 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,640 posts, everything you do is just aesthetic, right? 821 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,480 So like the costumes, the camera positioning, your cosplays. 822 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,320 Do you do you look back? Do you have like a favorite 823 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,120 theme or or like a commander pod where where everything was just 824 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,400 perfect aesthetic? It was it was I had I had the 825 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,120 best outfit. My my group had the best look. 826 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,040 We all had the best vibes. Everybody was in character for 827 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,720 that. Do do you ever look back and be 828 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,120 like this one? Was it? 829 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,560 You don't know, I would say I really love my in person games. 830 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,240 I think we have a great vibe at the table. 831 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,560 It's very kitchen table energy. You're just hanging out with 832 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:48,840 friends. And so one of those that was 833 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,080 recent that I really had a good time with was the one with 834 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,680 mental misplay for Roxy and Hannah and Cyrus. 835 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,320 And we played, I think we played secret partners, but we were, we 836 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,440 were playing whatever. And there was just this moment 837 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,760 where I had a demon on field and it does this thing where when 838 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,160 you attack, you sacrifice all your permanence, lands included. 839 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,560 And then you RIP 7 cards off the top and you get to play any of 840 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,480 those for free, but you lose all your lands permanently. 841 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,760 And I played this demon in a very inopportune moment and 842 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,760 everyone was like, I could kill Jane right now, but I kind of 843 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,960 want to watch this demon destroy her whole board if people pass 844 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,440 the whole turn around so that I got to do this thing and I lost 845 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,480 immediately afterwards. But we all just like realized 846 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,960 what we were here for. And it was for this moment of 847 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360 watching this stupid demon destroy my whole board and just 848 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,840 ruin my game plan for me. That's funny. 849 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,760 It was exquisite, exquisite. Great vibes. 850 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,160 See that I think a lot of stuff, a lot of magic is missing that 851 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,920 type of attitude because that's really what it's about in my 852 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,000 opinion. Like, I, I mean, as I'm getting 853 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,720 older and I think Bob is the same way. 854 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,720 Like the competitive side of us isn't really as there as it used 855 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,040 to be. Now it's just we want to have 856 00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,600 fun. We want to do the wacky fun 857 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,760 things. And that's really all that 858 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,320 matters to us. It's just having fun and doing 859 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,200 the crazy things that you might not do hardly at all. 860 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,360 Yeah, If I. Blow up my board and go out in a 861 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880 ball of flames, so be it. Yeah. 862 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,760 Was it Mothman where I milled myself or something like that? 863 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,840 I did it just to. I drew. 864 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:18,680 I decked myself in my Watcher of the Water deck accidentally when 865 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,600 I thought I was going to win. Did you? 866 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,360 Control your own destiny in some way. 867 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,120 I was like, I completely botched that up. 868 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,160 Oh, well. And the guys afterwards were 869 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,960 like, because we all scooped because we thought I won. 870 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,560 And then someone was like, after the fact, Bob, you actually 871 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:32,320 decked yourself. Oh. 872 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,960 God, did you ever build a deck to go with a specific cosplayer 873 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,320 look? Not really. 874 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,280 I cosplay a lot of universes beyond characters, so like 875 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,760 Storm, I don't know. The design didn't really sing to 876 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,320 me in the way that I wanted to do something silly with it. 877 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,280 Storm's powerful, right? And it's a winner of a deck, but 878 00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,080 like, I wanted to be her. I didn't want to play that. 879 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,000 I think sometimes I've gone the other way around where I have a 880 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,560 deck and I want to cosplay the character like Braids. 881 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,400 But yeah, I don't have a Doc Ock deck. 882 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,440 I was going to say let we got to get a doc octet going I think. 883 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,560 Yeah, I did build Venom. That was my Spider Man 1. 884 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,280 So you talked about the DM thing, So let's touch on that a 885 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,880 little bit because I, I don't think people understand 886 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,440 everybody. We talked about this earlier, 887 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,000 right? We talked a little bit about the 888 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,360 crossover between magic role-playing and stuff, and it's 889 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,640 not, it's not connected to a lot of people. 890 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,760 They don't understand what it is necessarily. 891 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000 They're here for the Magic Gathering vibes, not the four 892 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,520 hour Monsters University session, right? 893 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,400 What I'm surprised. So that's that takes some legit 894 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,080 creative muscle, right? World building, performance, 895 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,560 keeping everyone engaged, ad libbing. 896 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,040 What are your favorite stories to tell in in those kinds of 897 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,960 worlds? Well, like I said earlier, I 898 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,280 love the the magical realism, almost normal kind of story, 899 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,640 even magic Monsters University is set in Las Vegas and it's 900 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,320 sort of like a school within like a secret area in Las Vegas 901 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,800 that only the monsters can get to. 902 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,440 And I like that kind of play because it allows for a setting 903 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,400 that you don't have to work as hard at. 904 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,120 You know, I don't have to build Las Vegas. 905 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,760 We all live here. And we know when I say, OK, 906 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,640 we're going down Charleston St. towards the main city, you know, 907 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,240 we know what that looks like. We have picture in our heads. 908 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,680 I have a picture in my head so I can describe the sunset as we're 909 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,120 driving downtown. You know, I like that because 910 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,960 it's easy to ground in a space where everyone feels comfortable 911 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,040 exploring because they've done it in real life and now they can 912 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,760 do it just with a little flare of magic. 913 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,200 You know, you can imagine yourself flying over the streets 914 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,320 that you were once driving in real life. 915 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:53,200 So that's the piece of my creative sort of thing that DND 916 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,440 really hits for me. And I know there are lots of DND 917 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,080 games that I've played in where I'm a silly elf or something or, 918 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,960 you know, I just, I played in one on MTG critical stream last 919 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,360 month where we were in New Phyrexia and it was like a, it 920 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:10,920 was a fun hope story of, you know, hope against all odds. 921 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,480 Kind of was it a was it a one shot? 922 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920 Yeah, it was like a four shot right through. 923 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,720 Oh, OK, OK. Yeah, it was pretty good. 924 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,400 I think we we had some really big story notes. 925 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,680 We told the sort of, you know, all is not lost in times of 926 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,760 trouble story that we all needed in this moment to hear. 927 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,520 And that's the other thing about D&D is it can really give you 928 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,040 catharsis. It can let you work through what 929 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,960 is happening to you, maybe you politically and socially, in a 930 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,280 way where you can just bash someone's head in and get those 931 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,680 emotions out with your friends in a comfortable and safe space. 932 00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,520 DND always provides that for me. You know, I play a horrible 933 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,520 villain or you know, I play my cute little, you know, Angel who 934 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,400 likes to make sponge cake for her friends. 935 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,160 You know, DND lets you be all of these people at once and all at 936 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,160 the same time. Especially as the DM, you get to 937 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,960 play multiple characters in a session for sure. 938 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,600 So let's touch on Monsters University because we've talked 939 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,240 about it, but I don't think our audience knows what Monsters 940 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:10,040 University is so. I don't know what it is. 941 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,040 Other than the movie. Thank you for the four people 942 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040 who watch the entire thing. I popped into one of these as I 943 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,480 was researching and and it was like, if you're not 18 or older, 944 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,520 get the frig out of here. And that's how it opened Jesse. 945 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,760 And I was like, we're in not the movie, though. 946 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:31,560 So this is this is 18 plus monster on monster action, if 947 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,960 you know what I mean. So is this like your own home 948 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,000 brew? Because. 949 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,480 It is, yeah. That's not something I ever 950 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,040 considered to be in the role-playing space, but man, 951 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,880 there's got to be a huge market for that. 952 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,720 We're missing out here. We got it. 953 00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,560 We got to do something here. There is, and let me tell you, 954 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,720 it's the girlies we have been. I'm going to use my 1F bomb, my 955 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,520 PG13-O. I used it. 956 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:58,760 No, the girlies have been monster enthusiasts, let's say, 957 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,640 since the beginning of time. You know, it's that thing. 958 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,440 Where would you choose the bear or the man? 959 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,440 And we choose the bear. And also the bear is hot. 960 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,240 That is something so you had to build. 961 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,160 Is this your world? Like you? 962 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,040 This is this is your thing. Oh my gosh. 963 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,840 I was going to say from other people's worlds, I didn't think 964 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,640 there was the. University was in Vegas but now 965 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:21,720 it's not the movie, so no, I know. 966 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,800 There is no Sully. OK, Yeah. 967 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,600 I was thinking Sully. The entire AD and D system, 968 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,960 that's called Monsters School of Monsters or something like that. 969 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,920 Oh, Monster hearts, that's what it is. 970 00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,680 And it's set in a high school. So I aged it up a little bit so 971 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,600 we could get sexier, and I stole sort of the vibes from it. 972 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,480 But it has a mechanic system, and I didn't like how 973 00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,280 complicated the mechanic system was. 974 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,920 So of course I didn't just homebrew the world, I homebrewed 975 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,080 my mechanics to make it much simpler. 976 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,800 I was playing with a bunch of my friends who hadn't ever played 977 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,880 RPGs before, so I wanted to give them a system with just three 978 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,960 stats and they just have a button that they click that 979 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,840 rolls that stat and they were fight, flirt and a third F word 980 00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,520 that I can't say I can't play anymore. 981 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,640 OK. That's awesome. 982 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,120 It was really fun. It was very silly. 983 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,680 You know, it was just me putting my friends in a bunch of fun 984 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,440 scenarios and playing around. And you know, I hope they had a 985 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,560 blast. I sure did. 986 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,840 I mean, and, and if you're listening out there, it is on 987 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,280 Jane's YouTube. You don't have to scroll very 988 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,600 far. There's some cool stuff there. 989 00:46:23,720 --> 00:46:27,520 There is some Enter your stuff. That's also true. 990 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:32,520 Make sure you do when your kids are in bed, do you ever feel the 991 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,960 pressure to just always be on when you hit that go live 992 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,440 button? Like do you hype yourself up 993 00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,480 before you go live or it's just as it seems like to me, it comes 994 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,960 naturally, but I'm assuming that you have to do something to kind 995 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,240 of get in that that mindset. I have a person with a big 996 00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:48,680 energy, you know, I'm loud. You notice me in a room when I 997 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:50,400 come in. But I do have the ritual, you 998 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,240 know, for getting ready. I have my little nails that I 999 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:54,160 put on. I, you know, do my makeup. 1000 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,160 I, I, you know, I always take a minute and make sure that I am 1001 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,880 like, centered and emotionally ready to perform because it's 1002 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,840 really hard to sort of pour out from a space where you don't 1003 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,080 have anything poured into you. So there are ways that, you 1004 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,120 know, you have to take care of yourself before you go live. 1005 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,760 But yeah, I'm a very boisterous person. 1006 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,880 Naturally. Some may call me other words. 1007 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,280 That that is something because Jesse, I mean, you're streaming 1008 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,240 live more with with your marvel snap content and everything. 1009 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,680 Do do you ever find that like, Oh God, Christ, I can't do this 1010 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,760 tonight? And and do you do you ever pull 1011 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080 the RIP cord on it and just say, no, this ain't happening? 1012 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,840 I'm not forcing myself to do this. 1013 00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,760 Like that's so healthy. Yeah, there's been multiple 1014 00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,000 times where usually it's during the week because I am just 1015 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960 eternally tired and need to sleep. 1016 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,160 It's getting easier now that I'm getting more viewers. 1017 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,720 When you're only. Interaction energizes you for 1018 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,560 sure. When you're getting one person 1019 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,920 or it's probably a BA or those stupid spam accounts that just 1020 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,720 hop on and say hey click here from a viewer that kind of 1021 00:47:57,720 --> 00:47:59,960 deflights you. But as you get more and get 1022 00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:02,600 actual people engaging interaction with you, it makes 1023 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,880 me want to do it. Yeah, but there's been multiple. 1024 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,400 Times easier when you know you're going to hang out with 1025 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,400 your friends. Exactly, exactly. 1026 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,920 And when you start getting that kind of community going where 1027 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,720 you have people coming back and you know them and you see them, 1028 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:17,160 and for me, I'm starting to see them and other people streams 1029 00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,120 too. And they're like, oh, hey, 1030 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,000 Jesse, how's it going? That makes it a lot, a lot 1031 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,360 easier to actually stream and not just say, OK, I'm going to 1032 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,880 bed, but I still do that. Like I was going to stream last 1033 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,400 night and I fell asleep on my couch. 1034 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,000 So that didn't happen. That's how it's done. 1035 00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,480 I love it. That's dad energy right there. 1036 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,360 Getting the kids up at 6:00, get them to school. 1037 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,320 You know I'm lucky if I make it past 9:00 these days. 1038 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,720 All right, so we have reached the flavor text or song lyric 1039 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:46,400 portion of the podcast. Jesse, do you have one ready? 1040 00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,920 I actually got a couple of them. I got some new ones. 1041 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,440 I do too. We we actually went through all 1042 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,160 our list last podcast. So we we were empty. 1043 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,720 Yeah, I have some that I have one I want to do, but I'm 99.9% 1044 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,200 sure you're not going to get it. I have a feeling that how does 1045 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,280 that? How does that happen? 1046 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680 From any other I have a feeling? That Jane might know. 1047 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:11,080 It I have a feeling Jane. Might know it, but. 1048 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,920 You should. You should do that then. 1049 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,440 So here's the game. Jesse and I will read a couple 1050 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,480 lines of text and it's on us to guess whether it is a music 1051 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:26,040 lyric or card flavor text. And Jane, you get to play along 1052 00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,360 because you are our guest. And at the end, we will reveal 1053 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,560 which was which. So we have a little bit of time 1054 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,120 to kind of think it over as we continue the interview. 1055 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,880 You OK if I read first tonight, Jesse? 1056 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:38,600 Yeah, yeah. Go. 1057 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,640 Ahead. All right, so mine is. 1058 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,920 She's writing it down. Getting a notebook. 1059 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,160 I love this. Mine is infinite dreams. 1060 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,440 I can't deny them. Infinity is hard to comprehend. 1061 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:58,080 Oh boy. OK I have a hunch of at least 1062 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,240 like if it's song lyrics or flavour text. 1063 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,440 But I I have a hunch. So mine is a world that sends 1064 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,480 you reeling from decimated dreams. 1065 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,400 Your misery and hate will kill us all. 1066 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,440 Jesse really walks the line between flavour text and song 1067 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,400 lyrics every time because. I did do like so. 1068 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,960 Some back story here, Jane. The first time we ever did this. 1069 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,440 I went it wasn't fair. I went and found a metal band 1070 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,360 that made Magic the Gathering songs. 1071 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,240 So they were literally singing about Ursa and the Brothers War. 1072 00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,760 What's that? Was it the planeswalkers? 1073 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:34,200 It was about the brothers war with Ursa and his brother and. 1074 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,000 It was just an ashcraft. Isn't that band? 1075 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,520 Really. So it was he was. 1076 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:41,480 They were singing songs about magic. 1077 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,720 So it was like totally not fair. It wasn't. 1078 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:44,600 Fair. You're rad. 1079 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,400 Honestly go check them out. Y'all planeswalkers. 1080 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,840 That's something. So before we go crazy with this, 1081 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,320 when I say Jesse's kind of walking the line between flavor 1082 00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,800 text in a song lyric, like in my mind that pops popped into my 1083 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,440 head, that's a black card, right? 1084 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,360 If, if, if that is flavor text on a card, I think it's a black 1085 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:04,600 card, but I don't know. I don't know. 1086 00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,640 Stay tuned and we'll find out. Damn it. 1087 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,760 I try to get a try to get obscure, but the last couple 1088 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,200 I've done has been to me. It's been obvious, but that's 1089 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,120 that's me. I got one of the obvious and I 1090 00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,720 completely punted the other obvious. 1091 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,720 Well, we and then that one we did. 1092 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,640 We both did the same song the same week. 1093 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,320 That was Ozzy, because Ozzy died and we both. 1094 00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,520 Picked the same. Song and the same lyric. 1095 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:27,880 It was pretty funny. Wow. 1096 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,680 That was really funny. So when we spoke in Atlanta, 1097 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,160 Jane, we're going to get a little bit more serious now for 1098 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,040 the second-half of this. Interview serious part. 1099 00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,800 I talked about you and, and one of our goals for our interviews 1100 00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,480 that always is getting to know you as the full person who you 1101 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,040 are, right? Pull back the curtain a little 1102 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,520 bit, if you will. And with that comes your day 1103 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,120 job, the sex work, right? And I really respect that 1104 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,800 because you've been open about your day job and, and how it 1105 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,400 intersects with the rest of your life online, right? 1106 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,400 We see some of that bleeding into Monsters University 1107 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,840 obviously, right I. Did Monsters University before I 1108 00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,520 was a safe for work creator. That was just a fun project for 1109 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,320 me. So how do you, how do you find 1110 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,600 that balance being like authentic without feeling like 1111 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,720 you have to explain yourself? I guess I've been really lucky 1112 00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:19,080 in that I just haven't been questioned that often. 1113 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,680 You know, of course there have been some incidents. 1114 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,080 Every community has its people who are not going to be cool 1115 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,320 about it and that's fine. That's their prerogative. 1116 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,720 But it's just, it hasn't really been much of an issue. 1117 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:31,880 You know, I separate my accounts a little bit so people don't see 1118 00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,400 both. If they don't want to, you can 1119 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,160 opt in. But you know, it's just, it's, 1120 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,040 it's not that big of a deal. It's the reason that I have all 1121 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,760 of the equipment and the capacity to be able to do this, 1122 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,600 you know, just the way people are, you know, have a nine to 1123 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,640 five that helps them become a magic creator. 1124 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,360 I was wondering if that was part of your influence for like 1125 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,960 you're like, well I already have all the lighting, I have the 1126 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,200 mics, why don't I just stream Magic the Gathering on Twitch? 1127 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480 This is a fun hobby and I already have all this stuff. 1128 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:01,080 Yeah, I just had AVR 360 cameras filmed the whole episode in 1129 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,240 Atlanta. My setup is somewhat similar, 1130 00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:07,160 not the same vein but all of the equipment I'm using now I also 1131 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,440 use for work cuz I work from home so it's like I'm just use 1132 00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,480 the same equipment. The Internet can be brutal 1133 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360 obviously for judging what they don't understand. 1134 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,480 Do you feel like the magic community has been pretty more 1135 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,160 accepting than other communities? 1136 00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,960 Yeah, I really do. I think the queer influence in 1137 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160 the Magic the Gathering community is huge. 1138 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,840 You know, I think there's a lot of us, and many, many queer 1139 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,200 people have been tangentially involved in sex work or are more 1140 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,840 accepting of it than, you know, more mainstream kind of 1141 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,200 communities. And it's been easy to find my 1142 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,280 people here. And they're so supportive and so 1143 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,160 full of love, and they absolutely don't care. 1144 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,440 And I appreciate that so much. That is something that that that 1145 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,760 my eyes have been open to that in the magic community over the 1146 00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,280 last couple years as I've kind of moved into the content space 1147 00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,040 and everything. And it's like I went from kind 1148 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,440 of sheltered F&M grinder to picking up Commander again, 1149 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,960 talking with everybody and then being like, you know, I guess 1150 00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,720 I'll just hit that live button on our commander pods and then, 1151 00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,680 oh, what else can we do? And then you start talking to 1152 00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:10,120 people and getting to know them and you're like, there's a huge, 1153 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,920 huge queer community in the magic space that I didn't know 1154 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,360 about, that I'm upset that I didn't know about because 1155 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,120 there's some freaking awesome people to talk to. 1156 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,000 And here's the thing, we don't play at the LGS. 1157 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,240 I didn't go play it in LGS for a long, long time. 1158 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,640 I played with my friends at home because I just didn't feel like 1159 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,600 I could walk into an LGS and sit down across from somebody and 1160 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,280 like be respected in the same way that I am at home. 1161 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,400 I'm not gonna lie, I'm a CIS head guy and I don't feel like I 1162 00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,880 can walk into an LGS. They're just. 1163 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,960 Yeah. They're they're two. 1164 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,560 It's. Not exactly a funny welcoming 1165 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,160 space. They're yeah, it's that's not 1166 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,280 it, man. There are some cool shops in Las 1167 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,000 Vegas. You know, every city has its 1168 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,720 cool spots, and some of the places are places where crew 1169 00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:57,920 people hang out. You know, I went to a commander 1170 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,720 shop last night and there were like, you know, lots of women in 1171 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,480 the room and like, OK, I love it. 1172 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,000 That had to be pretty cool. Like the second you open the 1173 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,840 door and you're like, well, this space is welcoming. 1174 00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,960 Good. Yeah, like the spaces that me 1175 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,560 and like Bob, I think you can remember this anytime a girl or 1176 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,480 woman came into our F&M shop, everybody just like girl, like 1177 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:23,120 just like was just a typical. I have experienced the stairs. 1178 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,320 Yeah, and it's not, it's not only that. 1179 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,440 I mean, it's literally the stereotypical too. 1180 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,320 Like, all right, what are your magic credentials? 1181 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,360 Did your boyfriend build? I mean, the actual stereotypes 1182 00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,280 coming out in and it's like, come on, people. 1183 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,640 Like I, we've heard people literally ask, did your 1184 00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:40,240 boyfriend build that for you? Like it's, it's, it was, yeah, 1185 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,120 it was sick. It's madding, absolutely mad, 1186 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,160 and that's part of the reason why I don't do the LG. 1187 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,040 And like Jesse said, the competitive fire is out, so why 1188 00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,200 go every release? I'll just buy the cards and get 1189 00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,880 the dopamine hit from opening pad. 1190 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,080 So another thing that stood out, Jane, is basically like how 1191 00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,560 chill you are about your job and that's just part of who you are. 1192 00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:04,040 Do you think talking about sex work openly helps normalize it 1193 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,920 for people who only know the world through stereotypes? 1194 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,560 Yeah, I mean, I do think it's important. 1195 00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,400 You know, everyone has watched television and seen the, you 1196 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,760 know, dead sex worker jokes and whatever and thinks that's 1197 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,920 hilarious. But, you know, it's a little 1198 00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,080 different when you know these people as your friends. 1199 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,080 The same way, you know, if you were a person who is not in the 1200 00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:24,760 queer community at all, you meet a queer person, your perspective 1201 00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,360 changes. It just it does change how you 1202 00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:29,720 view the world. You can only as a person, you 1203 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,640 know, have so many strangers in your head and care about them. 1204 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,640 But the second that that gets a face, it gets a real like energy 1205 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,240 to it. You know, you know, it's it's 1206 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:40,800 harder to wish me I'll I would hope. 1207 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,080 I I don't wish any human I'll at this point in my life, I've I've 1208 00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,880 matured to that point really well. 1209 00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,880 There's there's some people in power right now, but. 1210 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,600 Anyway. I was just. 1211 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:50,400 We're not going to. Turn that into a political 1212 00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,280 podcast. Jane, you also mentioned that so 1213 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,960 many people of in your line of work, and I don't remember where 1214 00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,120 you said this, Like they just need to be humanized in the 1215 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,360 sense like they're a bunch of nerds like us. 1216 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,160 And. Gaming, anime, Magic the 1217 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040 Gathering, crocheting, you name it. 1218 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,720 Like I feel like even like I caught like Siri doll in an 1219 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,760 interview and she's like, yeah, I do nerdy shit. 1220 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,560 What do you who do you think I am? 1221 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,680 Like I'm not on camera all the time. 1222 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,200 It just, it just cracked me up because that's so true across so 1223 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,800 many spaces. So what is it about the sex work 1224 00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,920 industry you think makes for that overlap? 1225 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,880 Because the more I'm learning, the more it seems like 1226 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,760 everybody's got the nerdy hobbies on the side, like. 1227 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,800 You know what sex work is, it's going to a place dressing up in 1228 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,200 an outfit and playing a role. You're laughing. 1229 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,040 It just is. And the crossover between the 1230 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,960 people who enjoy that kind of role play, that kind of adult 1231 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,200 play in the other sense, you know they're going to enjoy it 1232 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,240 in in the fun sense too, in the, you know, non sexual kind of 1233 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,160 just for play kind of sense. Also, because it's about telling 1234 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,760 a story with people that connects to people's emotions 1235 00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,840 and you know, that's fun. There's a light bulb just went 1236 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,880 up over my head on that. It's true. 1237 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:05,080 You connected the dots that I was missing there that that just 1238 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,040 makes so much sense. It's like. 1239 00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,320 We have time. We have time in our schedules to 1240 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,360 do this. Do you ever feel like you had to 1241 00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,200 deal with extra stigma because as a creator because of that 1242 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,440 part of your life? I mean, yeah, there are 1243 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,840 opportunities that have been taken from me and from others 1244 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,560 who do the same job. You know, I'm not going to name 1245 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,720 any names or anything, and I'm moving past that. 1246 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,960 It's OK. The people who don't want to 1247 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,680 work with me will filter themselves out. 1248 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,400 And the people who are here to kind of build a better community 1249 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,320 together, they're going to work with me. 1250 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,840 And there's no sense in stressing myself out about 1251 00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,400 people who are never going to convert to my position. 1252 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,760 That's a good point. On the flip side, what has been 1253 00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,400 the most positive surprise? Like, do you have people who 1254 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,760 have showed up and supported you branching into magic that you 1255 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,640 didn't expect them to do? Yes, yes, you know, my friends 1256 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,960 who have come to watch me play Magic also are the realist and I 1257 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:58,960 love them. Thank you. 1258 00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,320 You support my silly little venture from becoming just a 1259 00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,040 thing where I thought I was going to do this for a couple 1260 00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,720 months and then we'll find something else that is going to 1261 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,680 really bring the eyes in. But this ended up being it. 1262 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,120 And I've had two fans in particular who have been 1263 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360 subscribers to my Twitch channel since day one. 1264 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,960 Shell Ringo, thank you so much. If you're a fan, you've said 1265 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,680 hello to them. They're my little welcome 1266 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,160 greeters in the chat. I love them. 1267 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,760 I do think that if you are a person who commands a community, 1268 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,560 if you are a person who people want to hang out with, they'll 1269 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,840 follow you anywhere. It doesn't matter what kind of 1270 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,920 stuff you're doing. If you are online, they want to 1271 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,560 see you. I just love how you're 1272 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,960 normalizing all this, right? Just existing authentically. 1273 00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,680 And I mean, who doesn't love just being horny on Maine anyway 1274 00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,120 every once in a while? I mean, isn't that the dream, 1275 00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,240 especially in our blue sky world, right? 1276 00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:52,960 It's it's much safer for that there. 1277 00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,160 But like, what would you say to listeners? 1278 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,000 Anybody who's going to listen to this podcast who's struggling to 1279 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,040 show up as their full selves, whether it's their career, their 1280 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,000 gender identity, or just feeling no sense of belonging, what 1281 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,960 would you say to these people? Well, the first thing I want to 1282 01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:09,840 say is you're welcome in the honey pod. 1283 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,480 So come on by. You know, we are trying to 1284 01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,840 create that space that maybe wasn't there. 1285 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,640 And I think that's really, really important. 1286 01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:20,200 Like I said at the beginning, that representation, the the 1287 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,640 purple tables, the Bob space, the gathering grounds, all of 1288 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,680 that is so important because it shows that you are a part of 1289 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,600 this community too, and you are welcome here. 1290 01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,240 That stigma is real. You know, even I mean, you joke 1291 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,960 about being horny on main and I am. 1292 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,720 I'm a little spicy on main, but that's not my main. 1293 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,400 Have the separate account people have to have, have that 1294 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,680 opportunity to opt into that kind of stuff. 1295 01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:44,080 Even still, there is this stigma, and that's real. 1296 01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,960 And I don't want to deny that or deny the pain that that causes 1297 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,200 people in any way. But I want to say that you can 1298 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,040 live without that destroying you. 1299 01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,880 You can move past that and you can bring the little queer joy 1300 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:57,040 that you want to see in the world. 1301 01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:01,440 Little queer joy you want to see in the world, I'm going to put 1302 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,240 that on a coffee cup at this point because that's that's 1303 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,400 where it's at. We're going to TikTok shop that 1304 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,360 all the proceeds are going to go somewhere and we're going to 1305 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,840 make that happen. I love it. 1306 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,040 Translifeline. So you've built such an 1307 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,040 intentional space around all this inclusion and kindness, 1308 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,960 looking at where magic is AT and content creation are now. 1309 01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,240 What's something you'd like to see the community get a little 1310 01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:27,560 bit better at still? Maybe I would like us to be a 1311 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,120 little more positive. I know there are a lot of things 1312 01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,640 to complain about. And boy, does the algorithm love 1313 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,960 it when you complain. Sure, yeah. 1314 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,440 But you can also make a thing about something that you like, 1315 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,800 you know, and you can enjoy magic authentically in a way 1316 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,560 that is fun and filled with the theater and the drama. 1317 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,720 I remember when I very first started playing, I wouldn't call 1318 01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:51,960 instance instance. I would call them for the drama. 1319 01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:55,480 I play this I think. Role-playing again, yeah. 1320 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,480 Goes back to role-playing. Bring a little bit of that to 1321 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,680 your table. Honestly, it's worth it to let 1322 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,560 yourself be the little weird freak first. 1323 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,560 You know it opens up the rest of the table to be this for you 1324 01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:06,680 too. You know that's true. 1325 01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,000 And then you get to enjoy your friends weird voices when they 1326 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,320 play Souraman or whatever. I'm trying to think what voices 1327 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,480 I would do for some of my decks. It would be like like what 1328 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:17,960 would. Goblins like Jesse. 1329 01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:18,560 You'd be. You'd be. 1330 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:19,080 Yeah. I gotta know. 1331 01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:24,160 What profit sound like Commander tables these days are more 1332 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,320 diverse than ever, which is amazing. 1333 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,520 What has been the most encouraging shift you've seen 1334 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,640 over the last year or so? You want a spicy tig for this 1335 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:34,720 one. Here it is. 1336 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,640 It's universe is beyond the girlies love it. 1337 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,680 They really, really do, you know, and the people who come in 1338 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,720 to play universes beyond, they're so excited. 1339 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,600 They're like, I'm playing my favorite character and like that 1340 01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,800 joy is so infectious. I'm not a huge Spider man fan, 1341 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,960 you know, I'm not a huge Marvel fan at all. 1342 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,120 But like, man did I have fun playing with the people who were 1343 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,880 huge Spider man fans. And I found the character that I 1344 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,160 love in it and I built a whole deck around him. 1345 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:04,000 And like, you know, there's something to find that is 1346 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,320 enjoyable in every piece of magic, I think. 1347 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,400 And if you aren't finding that, but maybe you need to take a 1348 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,400 little break for a minute and play something else, Find some 1349 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,160 other joy in your life. I think that's a really 1350 01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,320 interesting perspective on universes beyond. 1351 01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:20,440 I think it's a fair perspective. Like I would disagree, but for 1352 01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,720 different reasons. But if you think of me and Jesse 1353 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,720 as archivists of Magic the Gathering, right, 30 years 1354 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,120 background where universe is beyond is kind of crammed down 1355 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,800 our throats. Now all of a sudden that it 1356 01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,960 we're going to have a different experience than someone who was 1357 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:38,360 literally brought in to the game from Lord of the Rings. 1358 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,480 And damn it, I love Lord of the Rings. 1359 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:43,040 That set friggin. Awesome. 1360 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,640 It was fun. It was fun to draft. 1361 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,760 It was fun to play. So good. 1362 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,480 And, and then I look at, you know, unfortunately for me, I, 1363 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,840 I've never watched Avatar. I, I was a little aged out of it 1364 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,360 when it came out. I tried watching it again. 1365 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,880 My life is so busy. I can't sit down and focus to 1366 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,960 actually watch it to, to really dig in. 1367 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,000 So this one, this set's going to miss me, but your point is still 1368 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:07,200 valid. It's gonna bring people in. 1369 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,080 It's gonna bring new perspectives in. 1370 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,760 My concern is, are they all gonna stay? 1371 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,640 What percentage of them are staying? 1372 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:20,400 And the percentage that do stay, are they good for the game? 1373 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,280 Are they bad for the game? Is it a mix? 1374 01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,040 Is it a freaking bell curve like everything else in life that we 1375 01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,880 have? You know? 1376 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,440 But your point still remains, right? 1377 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:30,840 Universe Is Beyond is bringing in new faces, new perspectives 1378 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,800 from people that didn't even have Magic the Gathering on 1379 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,200 their radar. I will say my like my kids, 1380 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:40,600 they're nine and six and the My Little Pony secret lair. 1381 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,160 They still play with that. And now that K pop Demon Hunters 1382 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,000 is gonna come to Magic, they are like every day. 1383 01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,200 They're like, is it out yet dead? 1384 01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:50,720 Is it out yet dead? Is it out yet dead? 1385 01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,840 It's like they just announced to give them some time to make the 1386 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,160 cards. My kid is asked me to go see 1387 01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,880 Zootopia 2 today and I was like it's not. 1388 01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:00,880 It's not even in theaters yet pal. 1389 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,720 We are literally McDonald's is giving out toys. 1390 01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,040 We literally watched re watched Utopia one last night because of 1391 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:11,280 the McDonald's toys. There I'm that's this is Jesse 1392 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,320 and I live the same life sometimes just I have I have a 5 1393 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,360 year old boy and he has 2 girls. So when people Jane sit down to 1394 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:24,000 your channel or play a game of magic with you, what is what you 1395 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,920 hope to tip that they take away from their experience? 1396 01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,640 Right? You you talk about your hex girl 1397 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:29,920 pods. You talked about the the the 1398 01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,960 demon pod that that was hysterical, right? 1399 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,520 What, what, what? What's the experience that you 1400 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,280 want people to walk away from every time they play a game of 1401 01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,640 Magic Gathering with you? You know, I hope people forget 1402 01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,360 who won and lost the game and remember the drama. 1403 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,320 That's what I'm trying to bring to every pod. 1404 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,000 That's what I love about the mini games. 1405 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,800 That's what I love about, you know, every different kind of 1406 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:54,440 thing that I bring to Commander. It's all trying to enhance that 1407 01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,680 one thing, which is like the exciting play, the moment where 1408 01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,160 everyone stands up from the table and yells for a second, 1409 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,360 you know, the drama of the gathering. 1410 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,160 And that's what I'm here for. Is there any projects or collabs 1411 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,400 or new decks that you're excited about that you can tease for us? 1412 01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,160 Anything that nobody's heard of yet? 1413 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:15,120 OK, OK, we'll do a little thing that nobody's heard of this 1414 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,920 month. I'm going to be at SCG Con, so 1415 01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,440 if you are in Vegas for that, check me out there. 1416 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,240 They don't do cosplayers or anything. 1417 01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,800 It's very much a sweaty grinder thing. 1418 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,080 So I'll be there playing Magic, but we can hang out, we can get 1419 01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,520 a game in. I will be in Shoebox in March 1420 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,080 and hopefully I will be doing some cosplaying. 1421 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,280 I will definitely be there for Birds of Paradise doing 1422 01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:36,000 gathering ground stuff and I may or may not be running a Secret 1423 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:37,520 Partners mini game. So we'll see. 1424 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,840 And then in Vegas, of course, nothing is confirmed yet, but 1425 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,640 I'm going to be doing cosplays. You may catch me doing another 1426 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,640 trivia. I may or may not paint myself 1427 01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:47,720 blue again. We'll see. 1428 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,760 I will tell you a little tease of a cosplay that I'm going to 1429 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,240 do on Sunday. I think people are getting 1430 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,160 together to do like a Showgirls cosplay. 1431 01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:56,640 I know people have done that in the past. 1432 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,360 I'm going to do a showgirl version of Anya Falcon Rat. 1433 01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,400 I'm very excited about that. OK. 1434 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,920 And of course in my brain it's always been Anji, but it's not, 1435 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,840 it's literally Anya because that's how that's how the J 1436 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,080 works in that Bob. Oh. 1437 01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:15,800 Wait, I always say Anji. I could see the look in Jessie's 1438 01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,200 eyes when she said that. I was like. 1439 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,880 Why didn't you blow your minds? But you know, I do think she 1440 01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,840 says it. Anya, I'm pretty sure you're 1441 01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:24,120 right. I'm. 1442 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:26,640 Pretty sure you're right. That's that's so funny. 1443 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:31,120 So last question. We've reached the last question. 1444 01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:32,240 Wow, wow. We made it. 1445 01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,640 This is. Flown by So for fun outside of 1446 01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:38,760 MTG. We know you have your DM, 1447 01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,840 hobbies and other stuff, but what's 1 hobby or fandom that's 1448 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,520 really still keeping your attention? 1449 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:45,240 OK, here's something I'm obsessed with. 1450 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,200 I have only just started this in the past couple weeks but it has 1451 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,280 taken over every spare moment of my life. 1452 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,880 I'm here for. It, this is like a game show, TV 1453 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,880 show, and it's got everything that I need. 1454 01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,520 It's a reality TV show. It's about money. 1455 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,560 So they're like, you know, dangling money over these 1456 01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:02,400 people's head, making them do all these things. 1457 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,000 It's got puzzles in it. And then every every day they're 1458 01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,680 doing a different puzzle. But then on top of that, there's 1459 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,760 a meta puzzle, like a puzzle above the puzzle that they have 1460 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,640 to solve. And so like, I don't know, it's 1461 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,920 I don't want to get tell anything else, honestly, because 1462 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,720 like the magic of learning it with the players is so, so, so 1463 01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,720 good. It's on Netflix. 1464 01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,200 You should watch it. I know it's done. 1465 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,279 Keep watching it. It's OK. 1466 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,520 It's really, really good. It's a game show for people who 1467 01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,160 want to do math a little bit. So that's my pitch for all you 1468 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,399 magic nerds. It's like so good. 1469 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:37,760 Have you watched Is it Cake? I have watched Is it Cake? 1470 01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:39,399 That's. All my kids are watching. 1471 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:41,920 Is it cake fan? They watch that all the. 1472 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,000 Time they're it's. Like a whole the whole family 1473 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:46,399 thing where we're all, we all vote and see who thinks it's 1474 01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,960 cake or not and who's right. I'm so bad at it. 1475 01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,600 Yeah, it's surprising to me how bad at it I am. 1476 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,520 Man, here I thought you were talking about like blue red 1477 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,240 cake. I was like, is it cake? 1478 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,359 That's the magic nerd, No? Actual like my. 1479 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:00,479 Phone is. Cake. 1480 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:04,520 Or is it a real phone? Niv Niv Mizzit makes a cake. 1481 01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:09,000 Sorry. Look, it wouldn't be a gamer dad 1482 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,040 podcast without a little cringe for me, OK? 1483 01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:13,960 I thought you meant nyvmizit thighs kind of cake, but no, we 1484 01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,720 were talking cake cake, OK. All right, we're back to the 1485 01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,160 Flavor Texter lyrics. I got Jesse. 1486 01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,640 All right, so mine. I'm going to read it again. 1487 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,359 Say. Those infinite dreams, I can't 1488 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,800 deny them. Infinity is hard to comprehend. 1489 01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,200 I think it's song lyric. I'm going to go flavor text. 1490 01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:33,240 There we go. We're split. 1491 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,960 Oh. And it sounds like a Dream 1492 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,120 Theater song, but I don't, I don't know, not a dream. 1493 01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,880 Theater. But is it a song? 1494 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:43,120 It's a song though, maybe? Like Jesse. 1495 01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,800 Jesse is right, it is a song. Maybe like blind Guardian? 1496 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,040 Jane, I'm curious, did you think it was a blue card? 1497 01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,640 I would have thought something colorless Aldrazzi or something. 1498 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,440 Horrible. OK, I like that too. 1499 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,000 Something from Zendikar. This is Iron Maiden. 1500 01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,320 Iron Maiden, Yeah, this is. Infinite Dreams by Iron Maiden 1501 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:01,680 Zegan. Grandmibes. 1502 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,920 Love, love that band. So I was like, let me, let me 1503 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,240 pull something. Your layer sounds like. 1504 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,600 Our main secret layer. I do. 1505 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:12,440 I got some. They're right here, actually. 1506 01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,160 Nice. They look so good. 1507 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,640 Beautiful. Look at that, I didn't get all 1508 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,480 of the ones I wanted because well secret layer cues will 1509 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,960 suck. But I did accidentally get the 1510 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:28,200 encyclopedia one. Like I I joined an hour late, it 1511 01:10:28,200 --> 01:10:31,120 queued me up for 15 minutes and I was like, well shit, now I 1512 01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:36,560 gotta buy it instead of like it. That queue makes no sense to me 1513 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,080 and I'm not gonna go on a secret layer rant here at the end, but 1514 01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,880 no, I did get some of the main stuff they. 1515 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,480 'D make so much more money if it's for on demand. 1516 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,480 Believe it or not, I ran some numbers. 1517 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:50,400 Their scarcity model actually gets them more money. 1518 01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,760 I bet it does, because. They can inflate the prices. 1519 01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,200 Well, I mean, not only that, but they they get to sell out, they 1520 01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,520 get to put that to their stockholders that they sold out 1521 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,560 of a product. It it's a long I'm going to put 1522 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,920 a blog post about it eventually on on my Bob's theories. 1523 01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:08,520 Again, I have no no full data backing it, but I think the 1524 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,000 scarcity method is actually making Wizards more money. 1525 01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,880 But anyway, Jesse. Definitely drawing the hype 1526 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,800 people to read your. Your flavor text or song lyric 1527 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,400 for me. Again, so mine is a world that 1528 01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,840 sends you reeling from decimated dreams. 1529 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,480 Your misery and hate will kill us. 1530 01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,240 See, it doesn't rhyme that much and that's why I'm struggling to 1531 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,080 say it's a song lyric. You said I might know it, so I'm 1532 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,560 going for flavor text. Yeah, my head says flavor text 1533 01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:38,040 as well, and I think it's a black card, but I don't know 1534 01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:39,680 which. You are both wrong. 1535 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:43,520 It is a. Song lyric, but black is in the 1536 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,560 name. It is Welcome to the Black 1537 01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,720 Parade by My Chemical Romance. Oh, OK, OK. 1538 01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,120 Jesse knows I don't listen to them. 1539 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,600 Yeah, yeah. You're trying to get my emo 1540 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,560 roots, I see. Yeah. 1541 01:11:56,720 --> 01:12:01,960 But it's I, I read it in a way where it won't like sound like a 1542 01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:03,360 song. I try to do that. 1543 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,040 A lot of my a lot of the stuff I picked does rhyme, so I try. 1544 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,640 To yeah, we we try to, we try to read them neutral so that they 1545 01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:13,040 don't read as like because I've, if I started singing infinite 1546 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:18,040 dreams, I can't deny them, you know, then you No, it's a song. 1547 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:19,680 That, you know, yeah, that, that. 1548 01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,480 Blows the whole the. Black. 1549 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:25,560 Parade Black was in there. Fine, my brain had something. 1550 01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,080 I don't know. That was that was fun. 1551 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:30,160 Jane, this has been absolutely awesome. 1552 01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:31,800 I really appreciate you coming on. 1553 01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:34,800 Thank you for being so open, creative, letting us peel back 1554 01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,560 the curtain on everything you do. 1555 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,360 Yeah, here we are in just my green screen. 1556 01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,960 I didn't even go to Phyrexia today. 1557 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,440 Before we wrap up, the floor is yours. 1558 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,520 Plug whatever you want. Tell us where you're going to be 1559 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,400 next. Tell us where we can find your 1560 01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,200 stuff. Give us the full Jane 1561 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,560 experience. OK, well the full Jane 1562 01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,240 experience. Welcome to the hottie pod. 1563 01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:58,400 Come by on Saturday at 1:00 PM Pacific Time at twitch.tv/jane 1564 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,040 Judge. That's where we're playing silly 1565 01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,240 stuff tomorrow, I guess maybe if you are live here you'll see 1566 01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,000 this, but you won't know otherwise. 1567 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,920 He's playing CBH tomorrow. We're playing a silly mini game 1568 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,720 every week so stop by. Except for when I'm at SCG Con 1569 01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,920 later this month and you can catch me there instead in Las 1570 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:15,600 Vegas. Perfect. 1571 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,520 Everybody. If you're not already following 1572 01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:20,920 Jane, although I have a big, big feeling you already are, go 1573 01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,160 follow Jane. She's doing some awesome, 1574 01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,080 awesome stuff for the community. And thank you again for joining 1575 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:28,800 us. Jesse, any final words of wisdom 1576 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,440 tonight? My parting words are Magic 1577 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,840 teaches us many things. Mostly that hope is just a card 1578 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,160 before the board wipe. Be awesome out there and we'll 1579 01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:39,480 see you next time I took your job. 1580 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,920 You stole my line guys. Be awesome out there. 1581 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:45,880 We'll see you next time. He gave Ukraine.