1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,360 Welcome to the Gamer Dad Podcast where we talk about all things 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Magic the Gathering and gaming. We strive to keep things fun fit 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,640 into our busy lives because gaming's worth finding time for. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,880 I'm Gamer dad Bob, a 30 year Magic Gathering veteran, format 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,720 hopper, nonsense deck Brewer, and someone who still gets way 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,080 too excited about clever card design. 7 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:25,360 And I'm Jesse Hoagy, a 30 year Magic Gathering vet, A2 time 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,240 girl dad, and still in a Thanksgiving food coma. 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Pretty sure I'm exiled. Leonard Enchantment called too 10 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,440 much Turkey. Are you sleepy, Jesse? 11 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,240 I'm very sleepy. I, I, I, I'm a little sleepy 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,480 too. We had a rough day in our 13 00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:40,080 household, but it's OK. It's because it's my birthday 14 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:41,760 and we're going to, we're going to get through this. 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,440 So happy birthday. Oh, thank you. 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,280 I'm I'm 44 today, so 44 years young. 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Today we're joined by someone who has carved out a really 18 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,480 distinct niche in Magic the Gathering content space. 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,120 Josh, or as many of you know him, JMR Game design. 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,160 If you've seen his Spellify solves or his short form card 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,080 breakdowns, you know the appeal. He understands how Magic speaks, 22 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,400 the templating, the cadence, the structure, all the tiny 23 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,760 linguistic patterns most players never notice. 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,520 And before we dive in, Please remember this podcast is powered 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,000 by you, our listeners. If you'd like to support what we 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,400 do, head on over to Patreon. Most of what's there free is 27 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,640 free. Words are hard. 28 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,480 It's where I post my blogs, essays, and deeper thoughts 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,600 around Magic Gathering, podcasts and production work. 30 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,320 And if you want to chip in a few bucks, it helps keep everything 31 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:31,560 running. The podcast, the gear, the time 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,920 it takes to get this stuff right. 33 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,760 It's completely optional, but greatly appreciated. 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,080 And don't forget to stick around for flavour text or song lyrics. 35 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,160 At our midway point. Will Jesse try to stump me with 36 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,840 something obscure like you did last time, or pull something off 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,520 my playlist? And before we jump in, let's 38 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,840 talk about who's sitting down with us today, because Josh is 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,760 someone who's brought something genuinely fresh to the card 40 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:59,240 knowledge side of content. So Josh has built a growing 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,200 corner of YouTube with over 1100 subscribers and climbing, mind 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,800 you, almost entirely through sharp, focused card level 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:08,800 insights. He's become known for 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,960 recognizing cards from almost nothing, decoding templating 45 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,920 patterns in real time, and breaking down what Magic's 46 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,160 language. What makes Magic's language 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,200 tick? That is hard to say. 48 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,920 And I stumbled on it even practicing, and here we are 49 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:24,920 live. And I did it again. 50 00:02:24,920 --> 00:02:26,000 You got through it man, it's all good. 51 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,040 And what's wild is that this depth came together fast not 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,400 long ago, and we'll get into this and into the timeline. 53 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,160 He first picked up Magic, but he approaches the card file like 54 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,320 someone who's been studying it for years. 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,280 His work isn't gameplay, isn't discourse. 56 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,200 It isn't hype. It's clarity. 57 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,320 It's pattern recognition. It's seeing the bones of the 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,320 game translating into the content that people actually 59 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,200 want to watch. We're excited to talk to him 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,920 today about Magic, cognition, and what it means to carve out 61 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,400 your own lane in a crowded community. 62 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,760 Josh, welcome. Thank you for having me guys, I 63 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,720 really appreciate it. I'm excited to have you on 64 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Jesse. I know this is going to be an 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,040 interesting one for you too as, as we kind of work through this. 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,000 I, I, I can't wait to see what you come up with here as some 67 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,000 fun follow-ups and everything, because this is, this is unique, 68 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,120 right? Josh has a unique space that 69 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,720 he's carved out. I haven't seen anybody else 70 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:21,920 doing this either. So you know, this is where it 71 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:24,840 gets fun. So Josh, when you, what, what 72 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,120 drew you to Spellify in the 1st place, right? 73 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,120 And when did you realize it was the format where your brain just 74 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,240 clicked? Oh, if I my own timeline might 75 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,480 be a little goofy here. I remember I was came up on like 76 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,200 EDH Rex thing about like I think it was who God, who was it like 77 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,520 I think script or scrimp on a on TikTok had put out the first 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:46,840 like couple spellifies there. I was like, Oh, that's kind of 79 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,280 cool. So I you know, I started doing 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,800 it and it's like, OK, this this seems like a cool little game to 81 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,160 do. I think when I started doing it, 82 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,360 it may have been like really early and when they actually 83 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:59,280 started doing like Spellify game stuff between that and like this 84 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,600 is around the time when I think they finally were pushing Wardle 85 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,560 really hard into Discord. So like everyone's trying to hop 86 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,880 into their own world games. So I started doing it figured 87 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:10,480 OK, the problem, I wouldn't say a problem per SE, but like on my 88 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,520 channel, the content I was trying to focus on the time was 89 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,480 somewhere between like long form and not quite risk study style 90 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,760 content, but more just like longer form videos. 91 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,160 And my frustration was like, well, I don't think I have the 92 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,080 time with my particular editing style. 93 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,160 I don't know if you guys looked too far in my other videos, but 94 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,400 most of it's like 0 punctuation style, like animatic kind of 95 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,520 stuff. That's just harder. 96 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,880 That's just harder to like mass produce compared you just 97 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,960 sitting in front of a camera and just gap it for a while, right? 98 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,320 So I thought, OK, it's a way to make some daily content. 99 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,560 Hopefully I can whittle this down into a fastish enough 100 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,360 system, I can actually have some good content put out and it just 101 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,120 kind of, I wouldn't say it became my life, but it is now 102 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,120 actively a part of my daily routine. 103 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,680 Like it is. I work in LGS, so part of my 104 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,560 schedule turns into, all right, I work like 12 to 10, get home 105 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,200 at like 10:00-ish, chill for a while, midnight rolls around and 106 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,000 that's when it like the clock hits on Spellify. 107 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Like awesome, do you spellify? Let's see. 108 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,680 OK, so these are happening like midnight. 109 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,080 This is these. Are these are happening like 110 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,080 most of the time? Unless it's like a lazy day for 111 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,720 me, which sometimes happens, sometimes doesn't, but I am 112 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,680 generally doing them somewhere between like a minute to like 10 113 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:19,840 minutes after the cards gone live. 114 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,840 Adam. Not tired or anything. 115 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:23,000 I. Jesse. 116 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,680 That doesn't compute. Yeah, just that doesn't compute. 117 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,040 For just enough if you noticed on if if you go back far enough 118 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,600 to when the earlier spellifies before I really I made I try to 119 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,000 tighten up my editing in like the zone in stuff. 120 00:05:36,280 --> 00:05:41,360 It has like the, you know, time till next spellify over there 121 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,440 and it's more than likely ever like 20-3 hours and like some 122 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,680 kind of minutes. Oh man, I I don't. 123 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,720 The last time I stayed up past midnight was like this week, but 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,840 it was because I was sick. I I wouldn't say I'm a night owl 125 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:58,840 but I'm also just like owl. It just makes sense to stick her 126 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:01,280 out for it so I can do it in the evening, record everything, then 127 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:02,520 edit in the morning before I go to work. 128 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,040 Wow. And it and is that something 129 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,920 that you just picked up doing come like quickly or is it that 130 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,960 you kind of gradually build up to it over time? 131 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,880 It's something I just kind of decide I OK, I'd say is more of 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,680 like stubbornness. I I kind of describe at least 133 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,520 just my attitude, something like, OK, I am on a project, 134 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,040 some cost fallacy be damned. I'm, I'm just gonna, you know, 135 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,920 I'm gonna see the project through and with Spotify, I just 136 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,520 turned into doing it and like, OK, I can keep, I can keep this 137 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,160 up. And then it turned to, OK, well, 138 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,040 I want to keep consistently having daily content. 139 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,680 And I've done this enough now that I'm aware, aware of enough 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,120 of my rhythms and how to put it all out. 141 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,680 So just kind of became the consistency because obviously on 142 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,560 a social media video stuff, whatever they will, they reward 143 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,600 consistency. And I figured, all right, well, 144 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,520 if I can't have consistent long form, damn it, I'm going to have 145 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,800 consistent short form. I kind of pivoted to that 146 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,800 myself, you know, with what we're doing and how I'm putting 147 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,480 shorts on my channel. And you're right, consistency is 148 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,640 definitely rewarded, although my short today is not performing 149 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,720 very well and I'm kind of bummed because I thought it was funny. 150 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,680 Anyway, you live, you learn, right? 151 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,080 So how did you train your brain as you were doing these to 152 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,840 recognize these templating so quickly, right? 153 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,400 Was it intentional practice? I mean, you mentioned 154 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,640 stubbornness, right? Or did it kind of come together 155 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,160 naturally as you got more engaged with magic's language 156 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,320 so. I'd say it's a combination. 157 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,320 For one, I have a massive card game background. 158 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,840 History wise, I've been playing TCGS for upward like 15 plus 159 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:34,160 years. My first game was Yu-gi-oh. 160 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,800 Then I got into Magic and just my brain's kind of always been 161 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,880 like dialed and geared in for the card game stuff. 162 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,880 With Magic specifically, part of it was, I work at an LGS and a 163 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,840 lot of my job is going and entering our bulk and like 164 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,760 putting, going through bulk and just grading through cards. 165 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,280 So over the course of the day you see a bunch of cards. 166 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,040 They might be the same ones, but you still see a bunch of them. 167 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,120 And I, I don't remember exactly when, but it was from doing 168 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,240 enough spellifies and just all the card and stuff you just got 169 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,960 to pick up on like, wait, hold on, this is all formatted about 170 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 the same. And I don't know, pattern 171 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,360 recognition just kind of kicks in after a while. 172 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,360 Yeah. And now I wouldn't say it's very 173 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:13,240 easy, but it is probably more consistently keeping streaks now 174 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,240 compared to the early days. So when that new spell, if I 175 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 loads at 12:01 AM, mind you, what's the first thing you're 176 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,720 reading? Is it the spacing? 177 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,600 The punctuation, The templating? What's kind of your entry point? 178 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,520 What are you looking at first? So entry point, I'm usually 179 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,799 checking the name. Generally if a card is talking 180 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:35,880 about a named character, usually it's an apostrophe somewhere in 181 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,120 there for a possessive. So I think the one that came out 182 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,760 today, if you don't want to do it in the next 3 1/2 hours, 3 183 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,680 hours, it's Saunders Ignition. So it's like taking a look at 184 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:47,200 the name. It's like, all right, if it's 185 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,080 possessive, what magic characters kind of fill in for 186 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,080 about that name? Like it's not Jessica's because 187 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:53,280 it's not Jessica's will. It's formatted differently. 188 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Another important thing is, I mean, stupidly enough for like 189 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,120 OK, card type instant sorcery artifacts, trying to narrow it 190 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,600 down from there, Magic design branching out into like all the 191 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,240 other weird stuff of like, OK, like nowadays colored artifacts 192 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,640 are a pretty common thing, but they're not as common if you go 193 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 further back from like Core 19 as a for instance. 194 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,320 So it's stuff like the name, it's stuff like the card types. 195 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,120 It's stupidly stuff like, you know, from that point, looking 196 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,600 the text for specific, this is going to get like really, really 197 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,440 specific, but like particular symbols. 198 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,240 So generally if something has like A-IN it, for instance, 199 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,480 that's almost always like a choose X number type effect 200 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,320 because the way Magic cards are formatted, it's going to go 201 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,120 like, oh, choose one big hyphen and then like bullet points down 202 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,000 the side. If there's a slash somewhere in 203 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,800 the text, then it's either talking about a power and 204 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,080 toughness change, so like a pump spell, or it's talking about 11 205 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,640 counters. In that case, it's like, cool, 206 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,200 there's a little slash there, there's your digits. 207 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,640 And then if you look to the next of it, that's, you know, your 208 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,760 kind of next inference for if it's talking counters or a 209 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,320 different pump. It's kind of like adding up all 210 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:03,280 these little language inferences kind of thing to them in my 211 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,080 head. Go, OK, it's not talking about 212 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,200 counters. It's talking about a power 213 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,960 toughness pump. It's a creature, it's a 214 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,160 legendary or, or it's not legendary. 215 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,040 We're like, OK, this has like 15 card types here. 216 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,680 What it you know, what is this going to be? 217 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,080 It's just kind of taking the amalgamation of not as maybe not 218 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,600 necessarily starting in one particular spot, because 219 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,040 especially I wouldn't, I'm really trying not to brag on 220 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 this because I think this is a very niche section of knowledge 221 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,800 that I don't think anyone should reasonably have. 222 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:30,920 Just like, yes, I, I could deduce a magic card from no text 223 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,720 whatsoever, But like, it's, it's these little things here and 224 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,000 there of like, all right, what other, like if you're trying to 225 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 like vision it in your head, like the big one that I'm always 226 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,680 kind of locked in looking for is an ETV trigger that's almost 227 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:45,240 always formatted the same. It's always like whatever, you 228 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,360 know, this creature enters or for legendaries, whatever card 229 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,480 name enters, you know, do XYZ things. 230 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,200 And those are almost always like the easiest to kind of pick out. 231 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,840 There's a lot of stuff has ETB effects or dies effects or all 232 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,600 that. And it's really like kind of 233 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,640 just finding like an anchor and then using that as like a, to 234 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,120 use like a code analogy, like a binary search tree of like, OK, 235 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,360 every little new piece of information keeps whittling down 236 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:15,800 the available card pool and just kind of going from there down 237 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,840 until finally cool. It's like XYZ card. 238 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,360 So each time you're, you're able to kind of infer something, you 239 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,360 reach like a pivot point where you're like, OK, now we go here. 240 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:28,880 Yeah, reasonably because of. Now we go here because of. 241 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,280 OK, you got that's, that's interesting. 242 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,760 So you mentioned in your panel in Atlanta that the templating 243 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,800 repetition teaches you how Magic speaks basically, right? 244 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,400 How much does that inform your spellify guesses? 245 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,480 Because there, there's clearly the right way to template cards, 246 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,520 right? For ease of reading, for, for 247 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,320 ease of understanding and stuff. So just the flow of the, the 248 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,920 text on these cards teaches you how Magic speaks. 249 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,600 So how does that help with your Spellify guesses? 250 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,560 I you talked a little bit about enters the battlefield and stuff 251 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,320 like that, but what else? What else is there? 252 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,920 I mean, the big like I'm trying to like as like I guess point 253 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,520 out some specific things, but like generally like card 254 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,400 formatting is it's one, I mean, I think the the panels on 255 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,840 YouTube, like the big part of it is like how Magic organizes 256 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,360 information physically on the cards. 257 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,680 So generally it's even doing things way before like an ET BS 258 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:22,320 trigger or leaves. It's doing like here's a static 259 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,600 thing that might be changing how you actually cast the card or an 260 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,000 additional cost to cast the card. 261 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,400 And then from down there, it's talking about static effects. 262 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,600 It's talking in there about like sometimes it changes between 263 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,000 some cards, but it's like generally goofiness flying. 264 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,880 Yeah, first static, static parts of the cards and then going to 265 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,680 the things that I, you know, maybe we as players more pay 266 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:47,440 attention to like, you know, ETV's, dyes, triggers, leaves, 267 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,120 triggers. And then the really goofy stuff 268 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,240 down below, which I thought was really weird that like Threshold 269 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,600 and Metal Craft tends to just like sit towards the bottom of a 270 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,880 card, which I guess makes sense because it's something that's a 271 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,360 little more fluid and not as maybe not always as relevant to 272 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,520 a board state. They're also. 273 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,000 So conditional abilities, right? Because they might not always be 274 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,160 turned on. Metal Zack, for example. 275 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,760 Yeah. So I guess in terms of how that 276 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,240 has taught me styling of a card, maybe not so much as styling 277 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,640 just more as helping to recognize per SE, just like of 278 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,800 all the how to say just like just kind of like how like the 279 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,400 big one, maybe that isn't as realized. 280 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,640 Strifell uses because they pull EDA truck pulls from Strifell to 281 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,880 make the text of the cards they're pulling from the most 282 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,760 recent Aradas, which doesn't seem super relevant. 283 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,480 But then there's the thing that happened pretty recently that 284 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,000 now, well, the the enter stuff, but more specifically, instead 285 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,600 of saying like when entire card name enters, it'll just whittle 286 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,640 down to when this artifact, this creature enters. 287 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,280 I. Missed that which? 288 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,000 Is it's not, it doesn't always come up, but it's a thing there 289 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,160 where it's OK now it's like a more recent dish print kind of 290 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:57,760 thing or just more recent errata. 291 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,920 I guess trying to I've realized I keep deviating away from the 292 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,520 question, but for like, how is it? 293 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:02,600 I don't know. I I get you, yeah. 294 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,320 But just like where it keeps with the, I guess the to boil it 295 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,720 down, it's less that it's teaching about necessarily for 296 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,880 me how cards are set up just more of like reinforcing like, 297 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,680 OK, here's how all this information is spread out 298 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:18,200 necessarily for players and just understanding the cards that. 299 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,600 Idea that is magic having a language. 300 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,080 When did that start to like click for you maybe? 301 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,880 Like maybe. I don't think necessarily ever 302 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,760 clicked per SE. It was, I think more of like 303 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,720 when I was actually putting the stuff together for the Spellify 304 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,160 panel and, you know, trying to organize all my, I mean, 305 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,200 genuinely, because it's like a thing that in the moment, 306 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,720 because when I'm, when I'm doing spellifies, they take, I've had 307 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:44,160 some, I've had some longer ones, but the like the most amount of 308 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,440 time that Spellify generally takes me is somewhere between 15 309 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,360 to 20 minutes on average, probably more like 5. 310 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,320 So it's really small chunks that I don't, you don't really kind 311 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:53,720 of sit on at that point. It's like, all right, you did 312 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,600 it. It's like, it's like potato 313 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,080 chips. It's candy kind of thing. 314 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,240 You consume it. And then he goes to the editing 315 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,680 Bay to start being worked on. But it wasn't until I was 316 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,960 actually sitting down to try and articulate my thoughts for 317 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,440 Spellify because I realized, OK, this is like kind of a goofy 318 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,400 little game. What are the points I actually 319 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,680 want to talk about? And then I kind of sat down kind 320 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,200 of thinking through like, OK, what's like, you know, how to 321 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:19,000 explain to people, hey, here's how a magic card is organized. 322 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Like, if it seems super like niche, but then again, 323 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,480 especially with stuff like secret layers of people having 324 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,240 their own thoughts nowadays for how stuff like Universes beyond 325 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,000 should be, you know, expressed in the game. 326 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,280 You have maybe not a massive push, but a a rise of people 327 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,960 wanting to make custom cards and not to be like, oh, well, you 328 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,040 know, people should make like counterfeit cards and put that 329 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,840 into the atmosphere and have people like, you know, it's a 330 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,080 fake leak. Yeah. 331 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,640 Yeah, yeah. But I think it's warranted. 332 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,240 Like, hey, if you want to actually have something kind of 333 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,040 legit that have to be taken seriously as a design by the 334 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,600 community, you should know how to format it. 335 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,040 It's kind of like if you're writing like an essay, you know, 336 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:59,760 you should have some semblance of proper punctuation, proper 337 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:05,120 annotations, kind of thing, like kind of going back the the 338 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,400 language lock and really came up when I was organizing my 339 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,320 thoughts on the Spotify panels. Like, OK, how am I explaining 340 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:10,520 this? And then realizing, wait, hold 341 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,040 on a minute. There's just a bunch of little 342 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,280 like really tiny things like, all right, here's this giant 343 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,960 graph of oddly important words based on letter counts. 344 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,800 So like, all right, 4 letters. What's what's important in that 345 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:21,760 you don't realize? All right, Josh. 346 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:26,080 Had like 4-4 slides of that like with just words on and he's like 347 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,200 these are the four letter counts, these are the five. 348 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,120 I they were just riddled these slides. 349 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,880 I realized in hindsight that was awful. 350 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,840 Who The Who the hell is gonna look at all that actually try to 351 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,760 like All right, let me try to look at this for my seat 30 feet 352 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,640 away. I. 353 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:44,040 Was sitting in the back too. But it's like little things 354 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,960 like, OK, a four letter words of magic that like are relevant to 355 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 understanding a card. It's like, OK, does it draw? 356 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Does it talk about a card is talking about that? 357 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,880 If it's talking about, you know, targeting and all that, or even 358 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,600 6 letters targets different colors because Magic doesn't do 359 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,280 things like the card games where it'll have like an iconography, 360 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,600 it'll just ward out most of the pertinent text. 361 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,119 Or like if it's single digit, that's, you know, the whole 362 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,839 numbers game with like the counters and pumps and all that. 363 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,440 I I keep like loop around the questions basically when I 364 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,599 started actually making my panel then I realized wow this is 365 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:16,960 actually way deeper and I hope I can better explain this to 366 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,040 people they can understand it I. Think that's pretty interesting. 367 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,160 I think it's pretty cool actually, in a sense, because 368 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:23,839 you've kind of backed yourself into a corner. 369 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:27,160 You're like, oh shit, I'm committed to this panel now how 370 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,800 do I, how do I get this information to my audience? 371 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:32,520 I'll. Be so real with you. 372 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,320 I submitted that panel on my creator badge applications 373 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:37,680 thinking they're not. I'm thinking like, I, I mean, 374 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,840 like my, my creator badge records been kind of crap. 375 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,120 They're not going to take the panel because who cares about 376 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,960 Spellify of all things? And then I got the I got the 377 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,160 e-mail back. I'm like, oh I have to make this 378 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:52,120 PowerPoint now. Yeah, I feel that in everything 379 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,560 that you're saying lead. I mean, we we kind of got that. 380 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,640 That's where that was that was going there. 381 00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:01,000 That's so funny. So what about Spellify that lets 382 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,360 you showcase your magic brain, right? 383 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:07,720 That like normal gameplay or playing a game of commander on 384 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,480 spell table or or something like that. 385 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 How does this let you show showcase the way that you think 386 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,560 more than gameplay or other content? 387 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,200 So for me, the way I like to play Magic is, bluntly put, I 388 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,520 love combo decks. I am a combo aficionado at 389 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,440 heart. And I wouldn't say part of this 390 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,520 is to show like, yes, I'm just that I'm so much smarter. 391 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:30,960 I know more about the game kind of thing. 392 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,880 I like with Spellify that you can kind of demonstrate just 393 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,600 kind of like, I'd say brute kind of card knowledge. 394 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,320 It's very, it feels good when it's like, oh, here's maybe a 395 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,240 card you haven't heard about kind of thing, even though it's 396 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,800 pulling as as Andy talked about in the panel. 397 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,960 Yeah, it's pulling from not an unknown list of cards it's 398 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,920 pulling from, I think like the top 500 or so. 399 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,240 So it's not stuff you probably haven't heard of, but there's 400 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,280 still a couple here and there that are like, oh, I've never 401 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 heard of this card before. But for me, at least personally, 402 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,240 it's very I like being able to express just kind of my raw 403 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,600 knowledge of a game. As much as I said before, like, 404 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,760 Oh, I'm so much smarter. It's just more of like the the 405 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,400 niche interaction stuff. When I got into Magic, one of 406 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,280 my, I wouldn't say formative experiences, but when I moved 407 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,240 out to actually live on my own, buy my own magic cards, one of 408 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,880 my more formative experiences was hopping into a pod with my 409 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,440 friends who did, Hey, let's do a six Man Group hug game, which is 410 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:26,560 I'm not the one of group hug, but it's like, all right, five 411 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:31,080 guys on group hug. The stack is the the stacks of 412 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,680 Jenga tower like every interaction you're getting sunk 413 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,480 into the rules and I think it's really cool to be able to like 414 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,000 kind of show off like hey, here's like my just general card 415 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,720 knowledge. And I think from there it lets 416 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,120 you expand into, well, if the cards, then maybe you understand 417 00:19:45,120 --> 00:19:46,560 how they interact with certain decks. 418 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,400 And that's how you can then get some cooler stuff in deck 419 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,760 building where it's not just like here's your typical 420 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,000 attraction deck, here's your typical or dragon deck. 421 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,520 There's at least some novelty you can bring into otherwise 422 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,560 exhaustive decks. That's Jesse and I have talked 423 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:06,360 about how we don't really feel that EDH rec is good for the 424 00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:11,080 game in several places. So kind of that full on amalgam 425 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:16,120 of same, same decks is really exhausting to us from time to 426 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:17,680 time. So it's interesting that you say 427 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,880 that. I can agree on like the some 428 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,360 levels of of agreeing that definitely, yeah. 429 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:23,840 The problem, the problem I think is more, I think like Sylvia 430 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,840 Snell that people talked about, it's more so how people use EDH 431 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,840 rec because like a lot of times people just kind of pull from 432 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,320 like the average deck. Basically. 433 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,320 It's like, well, throw all these into the list and I don't like 434 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,560 like on the one hand, it's great that there's such a big resource 435 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 that if you have no idea where to start with something, you 436 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,800 have a pretty easy template or something to run off of. 437 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,280 The problem is, I think when people zone in way too hard into 438 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,120 that and don't bother to really expand out. 439 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,440 I mean, people expand out with their pet cards, but it's more 440 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:55,840 so when you're just not considering. 441 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,880 I mean, Magic is a game with like 10,000 plus game pieces. 442 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:03,240 It's like, why limit yourself to the top 288 track? 443 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,880 Kind of thing. That's that's that's where we're 444 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,040 at also in that sense. And and newer players may not 445 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,880 have that nuance or that curiosity either and they just 446 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,680 get what EDH rec just feeds to them and they're like well these 447 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,280 are obviously good cards so must put them in my deck. 448 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,880 Prices be damp. There's a fine, there's a fine 449 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,440 line that I think people need to draw. 450 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,120 And then maybe something needs to be expressed to newer players 451 00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:28,120 more. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say 452 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:29,120 forcefully. That's the threat. 453 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:32,240 We're like more out there to be like, hey, guys, like EA track 454 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,800 is a great resource to understand where like the the 455 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,800 player hive mind consensus is. But make sure you know, and then 456 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,760 from there you can start digging to like some of the other stuff 457 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,360 of like, OK, the stuff that's like the negative percentage 458 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:46,240 list kind of thing where it's like, OK, actually this might be 459 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,320 kind of interesting to throw it. Yeah. 460 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,080 Yeah. So do you have changing gears 461 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,600 back to the cards? Do you have a favorite like I 462 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,440 know exactly what this card is moment or or one that like you 463 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,680 have just. Blanked OK, so my my favorite, I 464 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,960 think was like chromatic Lantern and that was like, OK, there's a 465 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,560 couple and it's like a lot of times I feel like when it's a 466 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,680 car that I know I feel like I have I'm more I'm more have to 467 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,920 talk to pad time to be like. So I was just going to say. 468 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,560 Do you just, have you ever just dove in and been like Chromatic 469 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,200 Lantern? Like, yeah, I know that. 470 00:22:18,360 --> 00:22:21,000 That's the short. I I've never had it where it's 471 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,560 just that short because I think that's a bit of a like like 472 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,960 disservice to it to not breakdown what's going on. 473 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,880 But there's some words just like, OK, I know what this is. 474 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,080 I got up at the time and explain like where, why I know it's XYZ 475 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,480 thing. There are two that stand out as 476 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,920 like almost shattering the streak whatsoever. 477 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,400 There is serif Viper's Fang from midnight hunt. 478 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,240 It's a green drop that like your tap guys have death touch. 479 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:43,720 Your untapped guys have hex proof. 480 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,920 You can pay 1 and tap it to untap something. 481 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,200 That one. I just was like, OK, I just kind 482 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,560 of hell married on like the the last part of the name. 483 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,680 I just wasn't sure what it was. More recently, I think it was 484 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:59,200 like last month or so. Kazul, Tyrant of the Cliffs from 485 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,840 I think originally Worldwig. It's like a it's a red legend. 486 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,120 Card. It's like a it's like anti 487 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:08,080 ghostly prison where it's like if you want to oh, you, oh, you 488 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,720 have the copy, you have a copy over there. 489 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,240 It's. Sitting on my desk. 490 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,800 Hell yeah, yeah, it's like it's like anti ghostly prison. 491 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,360 It's like you pay 3 or you or yeah, you just like fill out the 492 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,960 the crack pack for it. There's a bunch of ogres and I 493 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480 vividly remember I was staring at my computer for like I I 494 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,560 think that one might be the longest raw footage for a 495 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,480 spellify like 2 minutes where I'm just like staring at my 496 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,200 screen going you got to be kidding me. 497 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,920 I'm going to die to this dumb ass red creature. 498 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,520 And I I something clicked of like, OK, I think I know what 499 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:38,800 this is. I know what the effect is. 500 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,120 The name is stuck here and I just sent Kazul and I got I was 501 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:48,640 like, I'm not dead, let's go. Kept the streak alive. 502 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,680 Everyone blanks on cards obviously sometimes. 503 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,520 Do you have a white whale that? So thankful like cuz Zool's the 504 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,960 closest I think to being the white whale of like net of like 505 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,920 not getting it. I am, I, I, if I did hard mode, 506 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,240 I'd probably have a couple more there. 507 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040 If I I'd want to be more hard mode with the problems that I 508 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,760 act, I want to like be able to edit my stuff out in timely 509 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,320 manner. And I think hard mode would just 510 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,720 be too much editing for me, not too along with the regular yeah, 511 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,200 stuff I should do hard mode. It's just because I'm starting 512 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,440 to see some duplicates actually pop up that I've seen before on 513 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,640 Spellify. So I think I keep seeing some 514 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,000 duplicates. I'm going to go, OK, let's see 515 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,080 what hard mode does and if I can get something fun here from 516 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,840 there. But like at the panel, I don't 517 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,320 God, I think in the panel I don't know if I would have 518 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,640 gotten the IT was like some random land like one of those 519 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,000 game lands from. God, that's right, it was from 520 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Bloomborough. Yeah, no, it was the yeah, it 521 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:39,680 was Lilypad Village or something. 522 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,680 Lilypad. Village, Yeah. 523 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,160 I don't know if that's. One that would have been like 524 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,360 the white whale, but that's where I was like, I don't got a 525 00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:45,720 clue what this is. Audience. 526 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,080 Give me your. Give me your best. 527 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,360 Bet we got there. We got there. 528 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,720 I I was blanking really hard on that. 529 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,400 The rest of the audience helped us out there. 530 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,440 That's my buddy. Jordan, Yeah. 531 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,960 So you touched on this a little bit, but let's let's dive in a 532 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,200 little bit deeper here. So how did your Spellify videos 533 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,840 evolve over time, right? So obviously you, you, you kind 534 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,960 of dove in, you, you threw some editing together and you're 535 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,520 like, OK, this is going to work. But what changed from your early 536 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,760 attempts to the rhythm that you've settled in now? 537 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,400 So the the bones remain about the same. 538 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,800 The meat is I think where it's a little different because before 539 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,080 it was just vaguely just like recording just the Spellify 540 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,040 screen and then just kind of going from there and just my, my 541 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,760 audio and that event. Cuz at that point I was still 542 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,720 trying to be like a faceless YouTube type just cuz like I, I 543 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,640 not that I'm like, oh, I don't want to show my face online. 544 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,080 I have my own website that has my face from LinkedIn from like 545 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,600 five years ago. So it's not like it's a, it's a 546 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,640 privacy thing. It's just more of like, well, 547 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,400 how long should I keep the face thing going to like face reveal? 548 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,240 But it turned it for more of that into like, OK, let me add 549 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,240 like my face Cam into this to then have like my reaction cuz 550 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,040 maybe that'll like look better kind of thing. 551 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,640 And then another part of it that happened was captions. 552 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,320 Surprisingly, up until recently I I always do my captions all by 553 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280 hand to like. Yeah, you'd go. 554 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,120 In the editing, you'd go back and oh man, yeah. 555 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,440 And he's just typing. Them out. 556 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,880 Yes, I mean actually I'm now using different software for the 557 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,800 reason why is because I don't use cap cut for my videos. 558 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,600 I use Sony Vegas, but I don't have Sony Vegas. 559 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,600 The version that I'm using doesn't have a like an auto 560 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,560 caption feature. If I watch you then it's like 561 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,400 cool, I got to drop 300 on like Sony Vegas 23 or something like 562 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,240 that. So for a while it was like all 563 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,160 right, cool, I want captions in here because captions seem to do 564 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920 well socials wise. Let me just type those up and 565 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,880 then like some other little things like OK, like positioning 566 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,000 where the camera is having a little border on there. 567 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,120 Up until recently, I got some help from a girl at the green 568 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,400 suit to like kind of help with like how the setup of things is. 569 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,280 And then the the one that I'm I'm genuinely the most happy 570 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,080 about kind of recently. If you know deep pocket monster, 571 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,680 he does the should I open it or keep it sealed Pokémon openings. 572 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,640 Yep, Yep. And I decided, well, I should 573 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,880 have a jaunty musical intro in my videos too. 574 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,880 So I have the little the little spellify intro in there now 13 575 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,480 gets for courtesy. It's Spellify in 60 and I have a 576 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,920 little like logo kind of pop in kind of rolling for it. 577 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,400 I don't know if I want to change it more from there. 578 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280 I'm liking where the formatting and just kind of how everything 579 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,000 is set up right now. I mean, look, most of it, like I 580 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,840 said, has been just kind of like meat and presentation, rather 581 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,200 like the bones. The bones have always been the 582 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,040 same. It's been all right. 583 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,280 Can I like get this done as fast as possible? 584 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,320 I'll be honest, the in 60 is kind of a misnomer. 585 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,840 I think in reality, like most of the videos, the raw footage is 586 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,000 probably like 4 to 5 minutes because it's like half the time 587 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,800 me yapping about the card at the end and cutting stuff out or 588 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,280 it's like just, you know, taking a little bit longer to solve the 589 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,360 thing. But I try I was trying in the in 590 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,480 the beginning to really keep it down to 60 seconds and then 591 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,520 YouTube shorts opened it up to be 3 minutes long. 592 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,240 So they're cool. I have some breathing room to 593 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,320 like make some more edits and actually let this breathe a bit 594 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,040 instead of just going like all right see you guys next time 595 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,120 that's. That's kind of like Voldemort. 596 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,840 It just over my head. Exactly. 597 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,080 That's how it. Goes. 598 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,200 Does it feel different going back and watching those early, 599 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,000 early videos compared to the ones that you do now? 600 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,080 Oh. Yeah, I look at this and go, 601 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,400 wow, I can't believe I'll let these out. 602 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,680 But that they're an archive, right? 603 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,720 That is historical footage that you used to stay there. 604 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:16,920 Oh. Man, if we're talking like 605 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,360 looking back on things, I was checking just out of rock 606 00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:22,440 curiosity today, I've been adding to the playlist on 607 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,200 YouTube since I've been publishing them out. 608 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,720 There are now almost 600 spellify shorts that would hurt 609 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,440 just a little bit. Like God, I've been doing this 610 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840 for all those two years now. What are you talking about? 611 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,800 That's. A trip that is a trip that's 612 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,320 that's a hell of a streak too. I mean, if you think about it, I 613 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,000 mean, you said you got into a rhythm. 614 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,320 This is just what you do everyday. 615 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,360 Clearly in three hours, Josh is going to be doing the next one 616 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,240 after this podcast. So you are. 617 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,400 Absolutely correct. I don't like you clock and be 618 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,120 like that but you are 100%. Correct. 619 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,240 I mean, this is where we're at. That's all right. 620 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,320 We're gonna give you a little bit of a buffer and a lead in 621 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,520 you get to chill after this and then boom, right into it. 622 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,640 We'll be looking for it next. So do you ever think of Spellify 623 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,680 as like a form of design training? 624 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,600 Like sharpening your ability to understand how Magic 625 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,280 communicates through card language. 626 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,720 I'll be honest, it's one of those things that also probably 627 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,520 didn't come up till I was actually working on the Spellify 628 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,120 panel, because at that point it's just like, OK, just like 629 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,800 knowing the card information. But obviously as I'm going into 630 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,480 it, to kind of want to explain to an audience why they should 631 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,760 care about this thing as much that I care about it as much as 632 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,080 it is like a little bit of bragging rights. 633 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Like cool, I know a lot about Magic, but also like, OK, it's 634 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,960 just bragging rights. You know, why should I care 635 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,160 about this? Like I said kind of before 636 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,800 earlier, there's a growing sentiment and just group, you 637 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,720 know, group of fans that want to make their own cards. 638 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,480 And it makes sense that they should have an idea of the 639 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,520 design language and design etiquettes of Magic in order to 640 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,600 express those designs properly. I mean, bluntly, if you ever go 641 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640 on like R slash custom Magic, I'm pretty sure for a while they 642 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,280 had like a post that was like 5 the five worst rated submissions 643 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320 this week. And part and part of the like 644 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240 the poorness of the submissions for some of them is like, yeah, 645 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,440 these designs are like bad or not good or just not healthy for 646 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,560 the game, but happens the formatting's bad. 647 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,600 They don't they haven't set it up correctly. 648 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,760 It just looks like a very sloppy attempt to design a card. 649 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,320 And I think on some level Spellify helps for that, at 650 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:30,280 least for presenting cards to people, because you obviously, 651 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,560 yeah, it's still pulling from like a very well known list of 652 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240 cards. But I mean, in that case, like, 653 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,400 well, cool, these are so well known. 654 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,800 These are probably the ones that people really like. 655 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,160 So not only are you learning on some degree how to properly 656 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,720 format a card, there's also the level of why do people like 657 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,880 these cards? It's not something that that 658 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,880 specify like makes public like, oh, hey, this is the 500. 659 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,720 I mean, I, I literally only found out the whole 500 like 660 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,880 account information at the panel with everyone else slide news to 661 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,760 me too. But I think it just helps people 662 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,480 by exposing them to the language and kind of like with me, like 663 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,120 for going through it so much you pick up if you want to like kind 664 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,920 of sit down and just go through every day. 665 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,600 Eventually something's going to stick. 666 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,360 You're going to recognize how Magic organizes their 667 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,200 information. And by knowing how that 668 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200 information is organized, you can better express yourself with 669 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200 your cards to the community at large. 670 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,120 And whether whether the ideas are good is up for debate, but 671 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,200 at least your forming will be correct and people won't give 672 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,160 you People won't have an easy out to discredit your ideas 673 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,600 right because something isn't formatted properly. 674 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,680 Kid can't even read a. Little Billy. 675 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,960 That's just cardio players though. 676 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,880 A. Little Billy Madison for you. 677 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,160 So you talked about this a little bit, right. 678 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,440 So a lot of the 62nd boundary just became out of shorts, 679 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,240 needing to be 60 seconds or anything. 680 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,520 But do you set your own actual constraints in your head? 681 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,920 Like do you have a clock that's going off as you're doing this? 682 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,080 And you're like, Oh no, I'm over 5 minutes. 683 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,960 I got a lot of anything to do. Oh no. 684 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,520 It's it's like in my head, it's me looking over OBS and seeing 685 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,560 like the recording time and I'll be half the time the recording 686 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,160 constraints are more so me going like, Oh my God, I have to edit 687 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,760 this in the morning. But I mean like the, the 688 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,600 constraints are really more so just like the combination 689 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840 bragging rights more just like wanting to like show off, show 690 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,000 off that knowledge of I can get this done kind of quickly. 691 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,960 I'd, I'd say the comfortable amount is somewhere between like 692 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,400 3 to 4 minutes of like the entire thing of solving the card 693 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,880 and then yapping about it for a while. 694 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,240 I tried my constraints that I tried to basically like spend 695 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,320 not a lot of time solving the card and then maybe a minute or 696 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,360 two talking about it later. So then like whittle back down 697 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920 and editing and then however much time between like add reads 698 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,760 or anything else that I want to throw into the video. 699 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Initially the kind of the time constraints were like oh man, I 700 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,480 like really hard and fast like I got to do. 701 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,240 It this fast? I think there was one where it 702 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,080 just took like 10 minutes to solve and I'm staring at it 703 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,160 later that morning. Like how do I get this down to a 704 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,760 minute? Because part of the problem of 705 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,000 the time was and like YouTube Shorts having to be a minute 706 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,840 long and right at that point, it's not even out of like, oh, 707 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,080 can I show something the card in a minute? 708 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,040 It's like me wanting to show the thought process too. 709 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520 Because I think like if it was just, I'm pretty sure we'd 710 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,400 agree. If it's just like me looking the 711 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,520 card and then going like, ah, this is the card. 712 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,280 That's not really good. That's not an informative video. 713 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,000 That's not like, that's not an April. 714 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,480 Fool's one, by the way. And that's, that's a good one. 715 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,040 That's, that's the thought. Just like, all right, here's a 716 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,640 card. Bye guys, I'll just see you next 717 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,680 time. Cut the black. 718 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760 But no, like the, the constraints are more of like 719 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,120 kind of kind of going to brag. And also just like for 720 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:40,080 conveniences, convenience sake of wanting to kind of get 721 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,360 everything down into a nice format. 722 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,800 One of the things that I I think I'm at least kind of good at is 723 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,560 taking a bunch of information and getting it down really into 724 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,120 like a bite sized chunk. I was working on one of my long 725 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,600 forms is the Sammy deck profile or the the deck tech on like the 726 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,120 Sammy from edge of eternities. And I'm reading through with my 727 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,440 with girl, the green suit. Actually, she's helped me write 728 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,480 the script for it. And I'm kind of going through 729 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,280 and by this point I've gone through like the mana base, the 730 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,840 creatures it's getting to like the, it's, it's probably about 731 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,639 like 4 or 5 pages of script that I've gone like in my recording 732 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:14,360 about that points maybe like 4 or 5 minutes. 733 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,280 And she goes through with me. She's like, how did you, how did 734 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,320 you explain all that in like 5 minutes? 735 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,960 Just too much information. But like the time constraints 736 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,280 are really more like combination recording and more of me wanting 737 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,800 it to be kind of fast because I'm really short. 738 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,440 It's just like, OK, you can't really be lingering way too long 739 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,199 on things. So my timer is really the amount 740 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,000 that I am comfortable trying to edit down later. 741 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,239 And if it's too long, then I will. 742 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,600 It's not a bad, it's not like a bad outcome. 743 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,560 It's just more of me being angry with myself of like, come on 744 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,800 dude, it's a. Rougher morning get it together 745 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,440 I get it I get it so you you kind of answered my next 746 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,080 question come on Josh, you're killing me so you talked a 747 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,560 little bit about striking that balance right I want to yap a 748 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,080 little bit about my thought process, but we also need to 749 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,520 solve the card and I need to edit that down so that's that's 750 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:04,880 important. I think you strike the right 751 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,360 balance right. I think you found that balance 752 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:08,800 I. Tried to I honestly, one of the 753 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,960 things that I hope people actually do is stick around pass 754 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,920 solving the card most because like I'm starting my YouTube 755 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,080 analytics for like, OK, where are people like engaged with 756 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,880 this? And I can't deny the the the 757 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,160 links, the graphs are very similar across most of the 758 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,600 spellifies. It starts like kind of big, does 759 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,720 like a little thing and then about where you saw for the 760 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:28,520 card, it just like not a quite like like not a 90° drop 761 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,680 doesn't. Crater it's not. 762 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,960 A crater, But it's like, let's do a half pipe kind of thing. 763 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,760 I'm like, all right. So I found that too with my 764 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,600 Pendragon decks of the week once once I've named the Arthur and 765 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,760 the Excalibur, they get it and they're they dip. 766 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,240 So the payoff is the guessing the card, right? 767 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,720 Yeah. So and how do you work that into 768 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:52,360 your analytics? Like, well, I can't not guess 769 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,600 the card. That's my sticks. 770 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,920 So how do I slow roll it? Do I slow roll it? 771 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,560 It's tough it. Actually is another thing I 772 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,200 should have mentioned earlier for how it has evolved. 773 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,000 I have now for better for worse is the way because I realized 774 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,840 what happened before was towards the end of the video. 775 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960 That's where I would do some advertising like OK, subscribe, 776 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,720 please check out my affiliates about the channel. 777 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,200 So for better or for worse, I I've been putting a little bit 778 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,480 like right before I saw the card of like all right, and it is and 779 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,840 then it like little tension bit and it goes before you do the, 780 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,080 you know, before you see what it is. 781 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,160 If I'm right, you know, hit the bell affiliates, yadda yadda, 782 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,280 and then finish it off and then go yapping about the card. 783 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,760 Thoughts. Yeah, the. 784 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,360 The payoff matters. It truly does. 785 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,640 And and that's that's what you get from looking at analytics. 786 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,600 So I mean, you're doing it right. 787 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,760 I hope I. You realize that Yeah, this 788 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,000 format feels like me I. Don't think there's ever really 789 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,480 a point where I was like, oh, this is me. 790 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,640 I think it was more of AI have been doing this so long that 791 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,920 it's just kind of been like attached to me, if that makes 792 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,360 sense. Like it is something where I 793 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,560 didn't really realize, I guess like that is because that is 794 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,080 like a bit absorbed into me until I'm until kind of sitting 795 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200 after. I was like, huh, I've been doing 796 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,600 this a lot. Like I was counting up the 797 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,560 results, I think from a, another part of the panel where I was 798 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,920 checking the like my win rate between like last year and it 799 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,040 was like, OK, my win rate was like 65% of getting it in zero. 800 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,480 And then otherwise, you know, never having missed one. 801 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,840 And then the numbers, I think up until I think the numbers might 802 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,360 be slightly better now, But at least when I was editing the 803 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,280 PowerPoint, it was like 81% or some crazy like get it in zero 804 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,040 rates. And at that point I was like, 805 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,440 oh, this is me now. It wasn't a thing. 806 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,560 I'm like, ah, yes, this specify is my thing. 807 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,480 It's more of a being, being in the weeds so long you're like, 808 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,320 ah, I am a weed. I'm I have become part of the 809 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,760 Meadow. Has working in these quick 810 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,240 structured bursts right that that you're asking your brain to 811 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,320 do for these, right? Yeah, Midnight. 812 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,560 I'm gonna keep emphasizing that. Chat Midnight. 813 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,040 Has it taught you anything about your own strengths as a person, 814 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160 as a creator, as a player? As a creator, I think it's 815 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,840 taught me like, I guess just like once I figure out the 816 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440 process, I can get it down pretty, pretty well. 817 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,800 Like on one side, yeah, it's all midnight. 818 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,720 But now it's a maybe it's combination of process, maybe 819 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:14,560 it's combination of routine, but it is a very like structured 820 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,040 process that it is now. It is literally like cool, like 821 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,120 spell if I goes up record it, it now goes back through OBS to get 822 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,960 remuxed because it records as MKV and I have to put it to like 823 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,840 an MP for specifics drag into my editing software, throw in some 824 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,040 couple plug insurance to help break up the edit out the 825 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,920 silences, make a couple other edits and then go cool. 826 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:36,240 I'll let out the rest of this in the morning. 827 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,720 And now that I have like a thing to actually make my subtitles 828 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,160 for me. So I'm not just, you know, doing 829 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,120 it manually like a maniac. I guess creator wise thing. 830 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,720 It's taught me just like how to actually keep a process and keep 831 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:50,360 the systems going as a player. I I think it just reinforces 832 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,160 like the, the Cardinals that I have, it's, it's nice to be able 833 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,000 to like know what cards and what people are talking about, 834 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,040 especially like it maybe gets a little granular, but like 835 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,920 working in a game shop where it's like people are trying to 836 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,480 feel like, hey, what's like a good card for this thing? 837 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,520 What's something you'd recommend? 838 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,880 It helps people to be like, Oh yeah, you know, XYZ card. 839 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,080 Do we have it? OK, we have it or we don't. 840 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,120 At least now they have like a good direction to go off of or 841 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,720 something else for a deck recommendation. 842 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,520 What was the third one that was player creator? 843 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,000 What was the third one? I was. 844 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,240 Just saying as a person, a person. 845 00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,120 Is also maybe a little bit tougher to like pin down 846 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,800 exactly. Maybe honestly, I'd say just 847 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,200 like consist, like my ability to be consistent and maybe that's 848 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:31,520 making me feel good for like, all right, I've been able to 849 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,320 consistently keep this one video type going regardless if like 850 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,200 I'm on vacation or if I'm like, you know, not necessarily at my 851 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,120 full editing grade to do this. I remember there was a trip I 852 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,680 went out to for a different card game competition and I realized, 853 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,080 oh, I have to record. Let me learn how to use the 854 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,600 screen recorder on my phone real quick because I still have to 855 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,760 fill in for Spellify. Do you feel like it highlights 856 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,120 part of your personality that doesn't always come through in 857 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,520 long form play? I think it. 858 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,520 Does there's? I don't think I've necessarily 859 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,640 tried to exert a different persona of myself within my my 860 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040 long form stuff. I think the person I at least 861 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,000 try to give off is like maybe a bit smarmy, but someone that 862 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,480 knows what they're talking about and is, you know, competent in 863 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,160 the skills as in in the game of magic. 864 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080 And I think maybe some of that kind of bleeds through in 865 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,400 Spellify. The other part that maybe 866 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,480 Spellify gets to show off that I don't get to show off my regular 867 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,040 content is just like meeting getting to like kind of gush 868 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,200 about cards without having to necessarily go off a script. 869 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,760 Because sometimes like the Draco Genesis video or just like the 870 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,120 other, there's some other like hard focus videos I did a couple 871 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,520 years ago when it was like all the the out outlaws Thunder 872 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,920 junction commander decks. I try to like find an 873 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,360 interesting card from each of those decks and highlight it or 874 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,200 just something different about it to talk about. 875 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,040 And obviously that's like one kind of different because it's 876 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,040 yeah, it's stream of conscious, but I also want to edit it so I 877 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,000 can like, you know, make it be good for the video kind of 878 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,480 thing. As much as I want retention and 879 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,960 all that for Spellify, I do like that I kind of get to sit around 880 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,840 for like, you know, 3-5 minutes, edit it down later, just like, 881 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,640 yeah, this card's all right, I guess. 882 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,400 So we're like, it's got a dog water, it's got a good, you do 883 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,520 some goofy stuff with it. OK, OK, so we've reached kind of 884 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,200 the midway point. So this is where Jesse and I 885 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,320 like to do flavor text or song lyric. 886 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920 So what Jesse and I do is we will read some words at each 887 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,800 other and we have to guess whether it is Magic the 888 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,560 Gathering flavor text or a song lyric. 889 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,280 Jesse, I have like 4 to choose from. 890 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,160 Tonight I came prepare. I have 3. 891 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,640 You are equally prepared. We were down to like zero last 892 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,280 time. So we did our homework. 893 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,920 I think I'm going to go with this one and I think. 894 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,920 I'm curious if Josh is going to be able to identify it with his. 895 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,040 Knowledge, Josh, you get to play along, but we don't, we don't 896 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,600 share our answers till the end. OK, Yeah, get some. 897 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,080 Time to kind of Stew on it. Yeah, yeah. 898 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,360 Do you want to read first or second, Jesse? 899 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,200 It doesn't. Matter to me. 900 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,680 I will read first, all right? As the red day is dawning and 901 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,600 the lightning cracks the sky, they'll raise their hands to the 902 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,560 heavens above with resentment in their eyes. 903 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,080 Josh. Immediately smiled as soon as he 904 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,080 just I. Know this? 905 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,640 All right, mine is If it comes for you, die boldly or die 906 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:27,000 swiftly, for die you will. OK, I don't recognize that I. 907 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:28,960 Don't either, but I think I have a good guess. 908 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,840 Yeah, it's if he. Gets both of them. 909 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,800 That would be hilarious. That would be. 910 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,960 Great, again, that just tells us how his brain works, right? 911 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,760 I'd be fine with it. That feels forrexian. 912 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,280 And I say this every friggin time because Jesse. 913 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,920 Jesse's got a theme. I mostly. 914 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,600 Because my heavy metal lyrics are very forrexian. 915 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,280 I guess for me it sounds like something not forrexian but it 916 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,400 does sound like something that'd be on a like an old border side 917 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,440 like pre modern. Yeah, yeah. 918 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,280 All right. Diving back in. 919 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,640 So when you think about how process games or puzzles in 920 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,880 general, like how you think about them, what parts of your 921 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,160 background or interest do you feel show up in the Magic 922 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,240 content? I'd like to hope. 923 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,280 For. Going to school for four years 924 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,040 for it. My game development decree shows 925 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,120 off a little bit for it. I wasn't like a big puzzle 926 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,760 gamer. The the most I did was a project 927 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,720 that me and a bunch of friends worked on our sophomore year, 928 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:23,640 like a little puzzle game called Valo. 929 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,440 You like changed the the idea was basically you would like 930 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,080 freeze and unfreeze different colored platforms. 931 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,240 That was like just a puzzle game. 932 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:34,160 So obviously a bit of a different mental metric of a 933 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,240 puzzle compared to like a lot of the magic stuff. 934 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,360 But like one of the things I've really hoped for my content it I 935 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,080 don't. That is one thing I am a little 936 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,560 nospellified. I don't think I'm able to really 937 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,480 show off as much of my game designer content or like my game 938 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,680 developer brain just because of the time restrictions. 939 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600 I don't think you really have as much liberty to kind of dive 940 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,920 into the cool mechanicalness of a card unless you make it super 941 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,600 brief. In that case, you probably 942 00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,560 deserves a more long form video to talk about it. 943 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,960 But a lot like the puzzle stuff, I think just kind of boils down 944 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,080 with like less of how do I say I'm losing track of the 945 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:11,640 questions for sure. This also paints a picture of 946 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,840 how Josh's mind works my. Mind is a hamster wheel that 947 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,600 sometimes gets unbolted and just starts rolling down the road. 948 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:25,040 But now with at least so far at the puzzle game side, I hope 949 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,320 that my game designer stuff gets to pop through is like, OK, 950 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,720 here's kind of how I'm understanding and where it's all 951 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:31,760 piercing together from. But like I said, I think that's 952 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,840 not crosswords. I don't think that's like any 953 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,000 space. I can really show off the 954 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,200 Spotify stuff maybe a little bit towards like the end on card 955 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,160 discussions. And I wish I kind of wish there 956 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,920 was a better game out there EDH. I could work on that to show to 957 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,760 show off on that kind of side of things to the design standpoint. 958 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,320 There you go. So every creator brings a 959 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,680 certain toolkit, if you will, with them. 960 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:54,880 What do you think yours looks like? 961 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,160 My toolkit's probably somewhere between. 962 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,120 It's something that I don't think I'm going to try to not be 963 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,240 braggy about it, but just like, it's not a thing a lot of Magic 964 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,640 content creators have of just having played other games. 965 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,720 Bluntly put, being at a game shop, people are very, I don't 966 00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:13,760 think the word's possessive, but just like very like like very 967 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,440 intense about the games that they like especially, you know, 968 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,960 like unfortunately so much for like Yu GI or Magic where it's 969 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,520 like, yeah, no, the other, you know, Yu-gi-oh player, it's like 970 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,200 you play magic, you know, bad game or like especially more so 971 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,640 with Magic where it's like they look people that play Magic, at 972 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,840 least from some of the game shops have been to really look 973 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,320 down on like Yu-gi-oh players, that kind of thing. 974 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,160 But at least the the part of my tool kit that I'm particularly 975 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,760 proud of is that I've just played a bunch of different card 976 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,960 games and I just don't think that's something a lot of other 977 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,000 Magic players have really done. Part of that's just from like 978 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,040 working at the game shop where it's like, OK, well I have to 979 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,560 play these games so I have an idea of what I am physically 980 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,960 selling to somebody to give them an idea of what they do. 981 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,520 Part of it's also for my work helping on some other games here 982 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,600 and there and also just playing other games like if I was to 983 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,480 name the games I've probably played the most besides Magic 984 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,560 Yu-gi-oh for years I was a massive Hearthstone gamer. 985 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,280 Like from high school onwards, Olestrals. 986 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,440 I've helped out some parts here and there design wise which have 987 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,760 been really fun. Kind of besides that like Battle 988 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,520 Spirits Saga, which is a Bandai game that they unfortunately 989 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,160 killed off way too soon in my opinion. 990 00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:17,880 Now you're good enough. Now that's like one of the major 991 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,360 parts of my tool can I'd say the other part is just bluntly like 992 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,720 being having the game development background. 993 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,200 I think one problem that the community has sometimes, 994 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,640 especially with just like the fervor that gets wrapped up for 995 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,760 like a card reveals kind of thing for like this card's 996 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,280 crazy. It's going to nuke the game. 997 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,960 It is the it's blindly to say it is a lack of understanding. 998 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,640 I think the community has for what goes into designing Magic 999 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,160 product in general and having any sort of, I don't want to say 1000 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,760 like, Oh, well, you've never been there, so you know what 1001 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,040 you're talking about. But there's also a level to it 1002 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,960 of like, not having the awareness of what goes into it, 1003 00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,960 despite the massive amount of stuff online from Rosewater and 1004 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,520 Gavin Verhey about what goes into designing magic products. 1005 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,240 Yeah. And and when Aaron Forsythe was 1006 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,320 writing articles as well from from R and DI mean really 1007 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,520 pulling the curtain back on all that it it's very important. 1008 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,920 That's a really good point. It is. 1009 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,040 It is shocking because I think Magic has some of the most 1010 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,280 publicly documented information on a card game like Konami for 1011 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,000 you yo. You'd have to like water board 1012 00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,520 them to get any information out of what goes on behind the 1013 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,240 scenes. Design wise. 1014 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,760 Pokémon I don't think really focuses as much the design side. 1015 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,280 There's probably more out there about like what gets decided on 1016 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,000 what Pokémon get like art done for them, or what cards get made 1017 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,600 for a set, rather than the gameplay decisions or the design 1018 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,000 decisions and intentions that go into these games. 1019 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,080 Bandai is maybe a little bit better on their games because 1020 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,840 they actually have some breakdown on why certain cards 1021 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,400 get banned versus limited in their games and have some sort 1022 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,600 of breakdown explanation there. Konami has maybe a tiny bit for 1023 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,920 like the Yu-gi-oh mobile game stuff. 1024 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,760 Like I said, it's shocking with just how much stuff there is out 1025 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,800 there for magic that they're still like, I guess the fervor 1026 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,240 for like they don't know what they're doing. 1027 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,440 There's a lot of things I could personally disagree with for 1028 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:11,320 what decisions get made, but it's, it's, it's not like an 1029 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,240 attitude of like, oh, they're ruining the game. 1030 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,560 It's like nuking it down. It's like, no, like the maybe 1031 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,920 that's another thing I can at least point to. 1032 00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,600 I try to not get super fervored into like overall discussions. 1033 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,960 There are cards I will get extremely passionate about for 1034 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:30,640 saying if they suck or not Draco Genesis is one of I literally 1035 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,360 just recorded a thing about the walls of bossing. 1036 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:37,280 Say that card slight miter tangent, that card is $25. 1037 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,520 You're paying 8 minutes to get time walked by an abrade. 1038 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,760 I refuse. True the cards good. 1039 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:47,160 It's true anyway, might not just like the I guess the between 1040 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,160 stuff, the toolkit, just like the the general ability to 1041 00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,800 discuss a game design concepts to an everyman. 1042 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,160 One of the things I was doing through college and even like 1043 00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,480 afterwards was producer work. So kind of a lot of like being 1044 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,040 the person to translate different disciplines to other 1045 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,280 people. So it's like, OK, art needs 1046 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,320 something. I don't explain that to the 1047 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,000 design team. Design team needs something. 1048 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200 I need to spend the programmers. Programmers need something. 1049 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,960 Explain it back to the art team in all the context that they can 1050 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,200 understand between code switching and just like what 1051 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,680 everybody needs to be able to do. 1052 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,960 And I'd like to think I can bring that with my general 1053 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,480 contents and my scripting of you don't maybe, yeah, you need to 1054 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,800 have some magic knowledge to understand like some of the 1055 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,720 combos or just kind of the explanations for why something 1056 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,840 is there. But I'd like to hope I can also 1057 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,400 explain it well enough that you don't need all the background 1058 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,200 knowledge to understand, oh, This is why this concept is good 1059 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,160 in this particular deck, this particular strategy, etcetera. 1060 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,280 Josh brings a lot. That is what I'm hearing. 1061 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,560 So I'm a lot of. Yapping too. 1062 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,120 Everyone has a thinking style, right? 1063 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,280 What? What do you default to? 1064 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,120 What's yours? Are you structure first? 1065 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,080 Are you a pattern person? Do you go logic first? 1066 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,080 Is it option D? Something else? 1067 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,520 When? It comes to spellify. 1068 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,520 Obviously that's something that's like just pattern based 1069 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,280 just from like how much I've been doing it when it comes to 1070 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,800 if I was kind of give an example of like another one, I guess 1071 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,320 maybe it maybe it does overall like kind of go patterns. 1072 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,680 One big one was a video I put out like last year. 1073 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,160 I'm hoping to make like a follow up for it. 1074 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,400 But it was basically converting Yu-gi-oh cards into Magic and 1075 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,040 then having them playoff other Magic decks in that same time 1076 00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,280 era. So part of it was kind of going 1077 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,000 like, OK, a Yu GI card is organized like this. 1078 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,520 So it's like, OK, how can I interpret the level, the 1079 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,120 attribute, the stats, the effect? 1080 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,360 How can I translate that into Magic and still have it retain 1081 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,400 the essence of Yu-gi-oh card kind of regardless of the of the 1082 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,800 power balance to be honest. So I guess from that side, more 1083 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,240 pattern based, more interpolation of going like, OK, 1084 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,960 so like this card is level 4. So that means it's probably for 1085 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,960 CMC and Magic, the stat lines of stuff. 1086 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,760 So like blue eyes white dragon is like the capstone for 1087 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,880 Yu-gi-oh. It like 3K attack stat. 1088 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,800 What is 3K translate to in Magic that still is representative of 1089 00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,000 that general CMC power level card types. 1090 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,720 One big thing I was struggling for with that with like mad with 1091 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,040 Yu-gi-oh trap cards is like, OK, how do you you translate this 1092 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,840 into Magic is a card that you can't necessarily cast from the 1093 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,040 hand. It needs to be played down. 1094 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,640 Set first should maybe be interacted with potentially, but 1095 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,880 otherwise how do you translate that? 1096 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,160 And that turned into making the track cards have to be foretold 1097 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,760 first or cast from exile to be able to be activated. 1098 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,440 So I guess in that vein the it's combination of like mostly 1099 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,520 patterns, but then like some logic and just like how to 1100 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,360 interpolate something from one set to another or just from 1:00 1101 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,240 dialect to another does. That same style show up and how 1102 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:42,800 you handle other work and and other hobbies. 1103 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,320 Hard, hard to say only just because I guess like in the in 1104 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,360 the dialogue kind of side when I'm trying to talk with people 1105 00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,640 about different card games at the shop where it's like, OK, if 1106 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,280 you've played like one thing, here's how this can translate 1107 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,880 over to or like kind of a more surprising one. 1108 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,040 When people come in wanting to like pick up magic and it's 1109 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,560 like, Oh, my friends, get me into this. 1110 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,440 I just want to get a commander deck. 1111 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,800 Then I kind of been defaulting to like, OK, so like, do you 1112 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,520 play other video games? What other what types of stuff 1113 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,120 do you play? What type of character or 1114 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,920 gameplay style do you like? And then part of us trying to 1115 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400 pick out the like the little bits from what information they 1116 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,520 can give to me from there to then go, OK, you like, you want 1117 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,200 to help people, you're a healer in a game, Go take the Bumble 1118 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,640 Flower commander deck from Bloomberg. 1119 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,760 Or like you like to be really aggressive or you want to like 1120 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,120 Paul, take the table, then probably take blame game from 1121 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,760 Carloff Manor. Or like another one where it's 1122 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,840 just the case of like, all right, well, I've never, it's 1123 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:36,800 like, well, I've never played a game. 1124 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,200 It's like, all right, cool. So let me like take you over 1125 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,920 here and let me break down how kind of like how a commander 1126 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,920 precon is kind of set up. There's like 3 styles of it. 1127 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,000 You have like something based around a card type, you have 1128 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,880 something based around a mechanic type, or you have 1129 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,920 something that's just kind of based around a general strategy. 1130 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,600 And then just trying to fill their brains with all that kind 1131 00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,760 of information. So I guess in that same vein, 1132 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,920 it's all the same interpolation like, all right, how can I 1133 00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,000 express this information to somebody in a way they'll 1134 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,040 actually understand it? Are there traits or habits from 1135 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840 your non magic life that you notice influencing how you 1136 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,760 create or solve things Stuff. My non magic life. 1137 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,280 Unfortunately, most of my life is pretty dominated by magic, 1138 00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,720 but that doesn't exist. There's no sense, yeah. 1139 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,120 Yeah, no, but like I'm trying to, I'm trying to think here, 1140 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,280 not not to like, I guess like people like push the joke 1141 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,840 further at least like a lot of my outside life has kind of been 1142 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,240 around magic for a good choice around the people that I've been 1143 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:28,160 just like the the places I'd say like the stuff that probably 1144 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,080 bleeds into my magic life is I wouldn't say like 1145 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:37,040 competitiveness, but it's kind of like the way I want to, the 1146 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680 way I'll say it is like the way I kind of expect people to want 1147 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,960 to operate. Maybe it's off like my 1148 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,480 competitiveness, but my my journal style when I want to 1149 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,200 play Magic is I'm going to play to the best of my ability. 1150 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,000 This is to win, but I'm also expecting you to have the 1151 00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,800 courtesy to do the same because I want to. 1152 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,320 Maybe it's like a personality. I want to see people performing 1153 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,000 at their best. I don't like it when it's like, 1154 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,520 OK, don't kneecap yourself. Don't like don't dumb yourself 1155 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,480 down. Oh man, Josh would not like. 1156 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,680 Playing with me then, yeah. There is there is a level, I 1157 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,720 guess, in gameplay etiquette of sandbagging of like, OK, like, 1158 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,880 you know, you want to still make a fun experience at the table. 1159 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,200 And I've definitely done that myself too, where it's like, all 1160 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,760 right, I recognize that maybe I've brought like a little bit 1161 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,720 too much heat, so I got to tone down the spice. 1162 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:30,400 But kind of the attitude is like I want people to I want to see 1163 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:33,480 people their best. And it's a little disingenuous 1164 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,040 if you're going to, for one, I guess, complain to me about 1165 00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,560 like, oh, why, like, you know, why are you pushing so hard to 1166 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:40,760 win? I don't want to win. 1167 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,200 I just want people to do their best. 1168 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,000 And it doesn't it doesn't preclude anybody when you were 1169 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,880 actively kneecapping yourself. You should be trying it. 1170 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,360 I understand that magic is not a serious of a crap for some 1171 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,360 people. I am and I probably someone 1172 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,560 takes magic probably too seriously. 1173 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,760 We all might be people that take magic too seriously because we 1174 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,320 have surrounded ourselves knee deep into this murk, this swamp 1175 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,120 of magic. But Despite that, I don't think 1176 00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,960 you should be the type to complain if like, oh, like if 1177 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,320 someone's going to our kind of thing, it's like, well, no, it's 1178 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,720 something you need to learn from, something you should 1179 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,440 experience. You should be able to take 1180 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,240 something away from that to hopefully improve your own 1181 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,840 mental, improve your own like attitude on this thing. 1182 00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,240 And if not, then hey, that's on you. 1183 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,920 But I, like I said, I personally just want to see people run at 1184 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,320 their best. I want to see, I want to see 1185 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,600 people run their their optimum. So could that also be like, Josh 1186 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,680 wants to bring out the best in people? 1187 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,040 I'd like to hope that I try to is there. 1188 00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,120 Something outside of gaming that ended up translating really well 1189 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,680 into the way that you approach magic. 1190 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,560 Maybe just like personality wise, I've had some friends tell 1191 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,200 me where it's like, yeah, you do play, you know, kind of more of 1192 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,400 the spiky kind of attitude, but you're not a, I'm not sure, I 1193 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,480 guess on how cool we are with a swearing on here or if it's too 1194 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,360 much. We're PG13 so you get 1F bomb. 1195 00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:02,400 All right, basically, just like, hey, you know, you're not a jerk 1196 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,280 when you're playing Maddox. You're actually enjoyable to be 1197 00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,560 around. Just I guess a lot of my stuff 1198 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,880 going through like college was doing like student ambassador 1199 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,720 work. So a lot of that was like 1200 00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:11,720 commute was like talking with parents and students like, Hey, 1201 00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:14,760 is this right for you? And not being importantly, not 1202 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,800 being the person that's trying to sell them on the school. 1203 00:56:17,240 --> 00:56:19,080 That was that was financial aid's job. 1204 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,720 And like the other parts of the college, my job was to be honest 1205 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,240 as a student and to give people the actual presentation of what 1206 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,120 it's like being a student of the school, what the experience is 1207 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,760 like. And I wouldn't say blunt honesty 1208 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,560 per SE, but it's like honesty, like hey, this is the real of 1209 00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,280 how it is. And just like the way carrying 1210 00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960 myself personality wise, I guess that has helped to lead me into 1211 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,320 some decent stuff magic wise. Were you also an RA or anything 1212 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,280 at school? I was not an RA. 1213 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,280 You were. Not an RA, OK, because sometimes 1214 00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,480 those go hand in hand. No, I was. 1215 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,000 I was just an ambassador. OK, OK, so you wanted to to show 1216 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,960 off all the cool things, but you didn't want to like be that guy. 1217 00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:01,880 I don't want to be. Someone's parent in an in an 1218 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,640 apartment. My OK my college was not like a 1219 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,920 massive campus. It was 1 three story building 1220 00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,480 out in Redmond, WA that like was previously like a Nintendo or 1221 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,160 Microsoft building and the student the student housing was 1222 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,360 like apartment complexes that the school rented out and then 1223 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,280 sold back to the students. Interesting. 1224 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:21,440 Wow. OK, What parts of magic excite 1225 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,960 you the most right now, today, November 28th, 2025? 1226 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,240 Is it the mechanics? Is it design trends? 1227 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,840 Is it card types? Is it what what approaches 1228 00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,480 Wizards is taking right now? Is it nothing? 1229 00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,640 Are we critical right now? You know, where are we at? 1230 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,720 Where's the pendulum for you, right? 1231 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,680 Now I think if if Avatar didn't succeed as well as it did I'd be 1232 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,160 way more critical. However, design wise, mechanics 1233 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,720 wise, I love what Avatar is doing A I'm still frustrated 1234 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,120 with how spider man turned out just cuz I think that had a lot 1235 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,760 more potential and I think a lot of it got wasted. 1236 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,520 That's an entire video in itself, honestly, of like, I 1237 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,480 mean that. I mean it is the is the 1238 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,680 colloquial drum to beat. It is the dead horse that we all 1239 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,360 must collectively kick. But I think like right now I am 1240 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,000 I like what Avatar did. I like a lot of the stuff that 1241 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,520 came out. It was probably one of the more, 1242 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,480 despite my pool being garbage, probably one of the more 1243 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,880 interesting pre releases I've done. 1244 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,720 I'm over the moon excited for Lorewin. 1245 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,440 Eclipsed Horde of Notions is like my favorite commander of 1246 00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,120 all time. I'm so close to building that 1247 00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,560 but I'm waiting now till the elemental deck in the new ones. 1248 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,240 I feel so bad of like a horde buddy. 1249 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:28,720 I love you. It's gonna. 1250 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:29,880 Get out class. Put you out of. 1251 00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,920 We know. It we know it is. 1252 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,520 That's why I haven't built it yet. 1253 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,000 I was this close to building it a couple months ago, and then I 1254 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,640 saw the commander deck in Atlanta. 1255 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,520 I was like, well that's out, but. 1256 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,320 I'd say right now it's definitely like mechanically. 1257 00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,440 I think surprisingly all the bending stuff feels kind of 1258 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,960 cool. Maybe water bending's the worst, 1259 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,080 but it's still like very interesting for the 1260 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,600 applications. The one part I am annoyed about 1261 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,960 is that more than likely the bending stuff is going to be 1262 00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,400 isolated to solely Avatar, right? 1263 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,320 Unless it's funny, I I heard this decision get done of like 1264 00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,200 them changing web slinging to in web on arena, which is I'm 1265 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,000 annoyed by that because like, cool, you're making a diff, 1266 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,280 you're making it more complicated to get people from 1267 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,440 arena into paper. What's the point of that? 1268 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,160 But then it's funny because like, well, I guess if you want 1269 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,560 to make more bending cards, you have to change the keywords to 1270 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,280 remove the avatar connotation. And I don't want to say I'm for 1271 00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,520 it, but I would love an excuse to get more bending cards into 1272 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,800 the game because the all the bending mechanics are really 1273 00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,080 cool. Like genuinely it's like if if 1274 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,360 they want to errata awaken to just be earth bend X. 1275 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,200 Honestly that might be that might be the way to go about it. 1276 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,360 Right. So there's been obviously a lot 1277 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,640 of variety in in the recent Magic sets. 1278 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,160 Is anything standing out to you that's especially fun to dig 1279 00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,560 into? Let's see out of. 1280 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,000 Other than Avatar I. Mean we got to gush about all 1281 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,640 the bending, right but is there anything else that that's jumped 1282 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,160 out or is that it that's also OK, right so. 1283 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,600 Not that like mechanics haven't bad kind of thing. 1284 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,120 Unfortunately I'm the kind of person that doesn't always do 1285 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:06,800 deck building. I have cats around the same 678 1286 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,520 decks for a while now and like most time I've just kind of like 1287 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:11,360 been adding and like subtracting stuff. 1288 01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,200 The last new deck I built was Sammy Wildcat, Captain from Edge 1289 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,960 of Eternity because I read Affinity. 1290 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,000 Your spells of affinity for artifacts and went I'd saw 1291 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,720 dollar signs because I thought this they could not have legally 1292 01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,280 printed this on a card. I refused to believe that and 1293 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,800 artifacts besides elementals like one of my favorite card 1294 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:32,600 types, and I said cool, I want to break this in half if 1295 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,840 possible, and that's been really fun to do. 1296 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,520 I mean, affinity is an easy mechanic, but in Boros, turns 1297 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,040 out it's a little, well, it's not that difficult because 1298 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,680 there's so many artifacts. But like, yeah, that that's been 1299 01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,040 like 1 cool thing beyond that. Surprisingly, because I did, I 1300 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,960 made a video about it because I made the deck for the 1301 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:52,440 Professor's deck building challenge Symbiote Spider man 1302 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,240 from the from the spider man set with the whole thing about like 1303 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,400 exiling from the graveyard to then put a 11 counter on a 1304 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,360 creature and then giving it his abilities is really cool. 1305 01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,480 Like the I don't think they accounted for the interaction. 1306 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,760 You could put that on a land creature like creeping Tarpit 1307 01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,480 and do it repeatedly and now you have multiple instances of the 1308 01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,840 symbiote spider man's effects. So that's been really cool. 1309 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,200 It's been little like one off mechanics here and there. 1310 01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,800 I think it'd have been really interesting to grapple onto. 1311 01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,000 I think overall I haven't been completely sold to a lot of the 1312 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,680 other mechanics, but like maybe overall set trends like Tark 1313 01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,200 here, Dragonstorm, love seeing the return of like here's an 1314 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,720 excuse to just have like a bunch of mana colors on something but 1315 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,360 also have all the hybrid costs. That entire cycle of you can 1316 01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:40,480 either pay the clans mana or just pay like a generic 6. 1317 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,760 Yep, I think is really cool and I'm kind of surprised we haven't 1318 01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,560 been seeing more of that lately. I think station but. 1319 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,440 Josh, all the hybrid talk right now. 1320 01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,760 Careful, be careful. Okay, that's actually, it's on 1321 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,560 the mechanical side. I I'm torn of the hybrid mana 1322 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,840 argument because on the one hand, I think it's really cool 1323 01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,960 that opens up literally an entire new level of deck 1324 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,520 building. However, the problem is that you 1325 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,680 will run into a problem of just now everything's even more 1326 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,440 generic because now there's like consistently new best options to 1327 01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,040 include into your decks. It's cool, but also it removes, 1328 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,760 I think, a genuine element of deck building that people 1329 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,200 gravitate to, which is restrictions breed creativity 1330 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:24,320 limitations. It's I I like the hybrid stuff 1331 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,040 is cool, but I don't think it'd be healthy for the long for the 1332 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,680 long term creativity and just like overall deck building goals 1333 01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:33,520 of the game might be cool for like some pre con stuff. 1334 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,480 So Wizards now has like a wider pool of stuff to actually add 1335 01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,760 in. But I think on once you've 1336 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,800 elevated out from a pre con status to upgrading or just like 1337 01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,320 more stuff, you are significantly diluting the card 1338 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,480 pool and I think more decks just become good stuff files than 1339 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,600 actually like anything kind of remotely creative. 1340 01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,240 I agree, it's like he read my blog post the 1st. 1341 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,600 I don't think I did actually. That's all my thoughts. 1342 01:02:57,880 --> 01:02:58,600 It's very close. I was. 1343 01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,440 Gonna say, I think I have very similar arguments in there, 1344 01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:03,320 actually pros and cons that you went over. 1345 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:07,320 That's pretty funny. So you're kind of tight with EDH 1346 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,640 rec, right? So a little bit. 1347 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,680 How do you see your role in that space in evolving, maybe what 1348 01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:16,440 they're doing or how they're influencing Spellify, right? 1349 01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:19,560 Because as I think about this and you touched on it, they're 1350 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,320 going to run out of cards eventually for you, for you, for 1351 01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,960 Josh, for me. Specifically, I unfortunately, I 1352 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,280 don't know, I guess what direction they want to take into 1353 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,560 Spellify. And obviously I'm super, I'm 1354 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,320 super stoked. I can say that I've gotten to 1355 01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:36,120 work with EDH rec on stuff like the I'll be 100, much like the 1356 01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,640 initial panel submission for Atlanta. 1357 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,440 I was also equally going like this isn't going to get me 1358 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,320 anywhere submitting my little request e-mail to EDH checker 1359 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,440 like hey or space com media, because that's the parent 1360 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,920 company of like, hey, I'm doing this cool thing. 1361 01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,560 If you can, if any of the people that worked on spell if I want 1362 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,160 to talk with me on this, I'd really love it. 1363 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,120 I get if you don't want to have anybody and when Andy got back 1364 01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,840 to me, like, yeah, I'd love to and it's like, all right, cool, 1365 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,160 let you know if I get a response back and then I had the response 1366 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:02,680 back and said, all right, Andy, we're in business. 1367 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,680 Let's let's like get on a discord call at some point. 1368 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,880 So I, I guess it's weird to think that I actually might have 1369 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,560 some influence for what EE Shrek wants to do. 1370 01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,800 I, I don't want to say that I'm the sole audience that they are 1371 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,560 building games for, but I, I don't know, I would hope that 1372 01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:19,920 there's at least some direction and maybe like a couple other 1373 01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,800 things. Like I know with the crossword 1374 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,280 stuff, they sent me the beta one right before, like the week 1375 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,160 before it came out. So I got the chance to talk with 1376 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,040 Nick, who's like their content creative and I might have the 1377 01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,960 wrong title there, but he's one of the head guys helping build 1378 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,080 content. So I got to actually give him my 1379 01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,560 feedback and say, hey, here's some stuff I thought usability 1380 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,640 wise was bad versus good and. That taps into your game design 1381 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,520 background too, yeah. A little, I mean that less game 1382 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,800 design, more of I guess, like the UI, but that's still that's 1383 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,400 still a moment of game design for like, you know, is your is 1384 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,000 your website usable kind of thing. 1385 01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:57,080 But the for where I think hopefully my influence to 1386 01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:01,520 spellify goes to and what that influences EDH rec to do may 1387 01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,520 honestly, I'd I'd be interested to see if they want to bleed out 1388 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,640 the the card pool to just be wider to start going into like 1389 01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,040 instead of like the top 500 or so, maybe drop into like the top 1390 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,520 1000, just like expand things out, have a little bit more 1391 01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,760 variety, because, like I said, you know, I've been starting to 1392 01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,840 see some duplicates. I think they, I'm not sure like 1393 01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:23,240 how much it's going to be like, oh, I've definitely seen these 1394 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,800 kind of thing or it's more of that. 1395 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:30,000 But I I hope that it encourages them to expand it out, make 1396 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,040 things a little harder for people. 1397 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,360 OK, just. For just to have a little bit 1398 01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,440 more fun there, listen. Feedback is important to anyone 1399 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,520 who's who's trying to build something, so the fact that 1400 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,880 you're able to have those conversations is a big deal. 1401 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,160 Jumping changing gears here. So Josh listen, my anime era 1402 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,600 ended with cartoon networks lineup like Dragon Ball Z outlaw 1403 01:05:51,600 --> 01:05:54,080 star, cowboy Bebop, right that whole wave. 1404 01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,320 So the newest the newest anime I've watched is Dragon Ball 1405 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:58,920 super. That kind of tells you where 1406 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:02,320 where I live right? So when you posted this Gojo 1407 01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,920 card on your YouTube in a Magic frame, I'm like, I have 1408 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,240 absolutely no idea who this is. And then immediately I looked at 1409 01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,880 the card and I went, holy shit, this card is strong. 1410 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:18,280 So when you translate a character idea into a Magic card 1411 01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,400 like Gojo, how do you decide where it actually lands inside a 1412 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,520 Magic's framework? You touched on that a little bit 1413 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,880 with Yu-gi-oh, right? But I'm talking color, identity, 1414 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,280 mana cost, size of the effect, basically, like, how do you 1415 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,160 anchor something that's that wildly powerful? 1416 01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,640 I'm like asking Google, who is Gojo? 1417 01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,720 Is he truly unbeat? Like, I'm not even kidding when 1418 01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,320 I was researching this stuff, right? 1419 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:44,640 So how do you do that? So part of it is from I'm not 1420 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,160 gonna be like reading the source material, but also on the topic 1421 01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:51,280 of like anime, I am I, I, I'm always up to date on Shonen 1422 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,200 Jump. I I love reading manga. 1423 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,040 It's definitely when my pastime's there. 1424 01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,160 And just kind of pulling from that for like how to adapt 1425 01:06:57,160 --> 01:07:01,040 characters was one thing for something like Gojo, where like 1426 01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,720 I broke down a bit in the video, but it's like, all right, the 1427 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,360 elements of match color pie, which on the one hand, yeah, you 1428 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,360 have all these colored bleeds and all these types of effects. 1429 01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,480 But what's nice is that I mean, it consistently kind of talked 1430 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,720 about like, OK, here's kind of what each of these colors 1431 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,560 represents. It's like white kind of revolves 1432 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,200 around a lot of like unity community. 1433 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,080 Blue is a lot of intelligence and like quick wit. 1434 01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,480 Red is more passion, black is more ambition. 1435 01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,600 Green is like nature versus nurture type attitudes. 1436 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,040 It's like with Gojo, I kind of broke down the short there, but 1437 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,960 it's like, all right. So like, you know, kind of 1438 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,800 breaking down as a characters personality. 1439 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,000 Gojo is a character that is insanely battle smart. 1440 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,600 He's constantly rivaled and hyped up as like one of the 1441 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:43,640 smartest characters in the series. 1442 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,400 He's definitely like, you know, passionate, his attitude from 1443 01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,680 parts in the story and just, you know, all of the I mean, you've 1444 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,560 probably seen bits of the anime here and there where he looks 1445 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,560 like a maniac just trying to, you know, like running up 1446 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:56,440 through a through the nature guy, yes. 1447 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,120 As I was, as I was researching this and during your short, we 1448 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,560 saw some of that Yep and. Then just the like the this one 1449 01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,880 that specifically caught to me that maybe wants to who put him 1450 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,440 into black was just like ambition is like his kind of 1451 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,640 overall encompassing attitude. He wants to be the best 1452 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:15,280 sorcerer. That is his like kind of modus 1453 01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:18,080 and he's constantly hyped up as the greatest sorcerer, but 1454 01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,760 ambition like constantly drives him. 1455 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,520 And part of the reasoning with part of the reasoning, at least 1456 01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,240 specifically with Gojo was because I have another couple 1457 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,040 wanting to come out and I want to make a dichotomy with him and 1458 01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:31,160 the main villain Sukhana. So part of it's not just of like 1459 01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,680 also houses character represent in the story. 1460 01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,160 It's also, I guess more so how I, I want you representative 1461 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,840 cards where I can make kind of cool cycles or cool references 1462 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,760 and like kind of the character relations and bring that from a 1463 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,960 show or series into custom card design. 1464 01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:49,479 So in that Gojo design specifically, right, we, we, we 1465 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,840 looked at it, the hybrid setup and everything. 1466 01:08:52,359 --> 01:08:55,560 You could cast him for two black, black, black, right? 1467 01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,800 Yeah. So that that's a deliberate 1468 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,920 choice when you think about hybrid pips, when you design 1469 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,880 this card, you talked about ambition, right? 1470 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,840 And he's this borderline untouchable character. 1471 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,680 How did you come up with your Magic pips for Gojo in 1472 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,920 particular for me? I'll be honest, this is maybe 1473 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,520 hurt some people. It was very much vibes based, 1474 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,279 more so than from a hard design standpoint, because when I think 1475 01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,439 of a pure Grixus character, I think of someone that is like, 1476 01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,200 you know, for unfortunately part of how magic is typecasted. 1477 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,760 But Grixus tends to center around being diabolically evil 1478 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,840 and just kind of that entire framework of character design. 1479 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,319 It's annoying that they haven't really, I guess maybe I think 1480 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:41,479 maybe in the God, what is it the edge of Eternity story, Because 1481 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,359 I know there's like one of the main characters, Alpha Rail or 1482 01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:46,439 something. He's he's a mono black 1483 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,479 character, but I don't think he's necessarily a villain in 1484 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,240 the context of the story. But the problem is that most of 1485 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:56,000 Magic's villains have fallen somewhere into the color pie of 1486 01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:00,120 black plus red plus blue shake up combination pretty much, but 1487 01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,400 always folks around black. Again, part of it was the 1488 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,520 decision of like, OK, well, I want this to tie in with a sook 1489 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,360 and a card later. So I want that dichotomy to show 1490 01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:09,080 there at least with Gojo specifically for the hybrid pips 1491 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:12,040 partly was like, OK, I want to make this like not feel too bad 1492 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,000 to have to cast in the world of being commander given the fact 1493 01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,840 also that to get him out and then his abilities are all like 1494 01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:20,280 different colors of mana type thing. 1495 01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:22,840 So you can just isolate it into black that it makes it a little 1496 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:24,720 easier to do the other parts of the cards. 1497 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:29,320 The other part, again, is a character whose entire like 1498 01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,320 personality and overall attitude is defined by ambition. 1499 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,560 I think that's at least a kind of cool way to express through 1500 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:39,080 the card itself without having to necessarily shout into your 1501 01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,960 ear. Excuse me, Sir. 1502 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,360 This character's goal is being ambitious here. 1503 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:46,360 You know, it's, it's a nice little like it's a, it's a 1504 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,200 design off the cuff hand gesture kind of thing. 1505 01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,200 Like, hey, you can tell this is what this character's all about. 1506 01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:57,120 Like it is, despite having these other elements to them, they're 1507 01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:00,280 defined by this one thing that takes up the majority of their 1508 01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,800 mana cost. So let's talk about the other 1509 01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,320 half of the card, right? What's the line between honoring 1510 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,920 flavor Gojo being Gojo and keeping the design from becoming 1511 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,880 completely unreasonable in Magic context? 1512 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,480 There's probably a level just from the get go. 1513 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:18,720 It's like, okay, this can't be just like an indestructible 1514 01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,880 character. I have come across too many 1515 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,360 copies and versions of Goku on custom Yugioh sites were like, 1516 01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,280 it's like 5 billion attack at level 12. 1517 01:11:28,280 --> 01:11:32,360 It can blow up the moon. Yeah, there's a level, I guess, 1518 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,520 as a player of like, well, do I want what level am I OK with to 1519 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,040 play against this car? And maybe that's a bit of a that 1520 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,920 puts some bias in me because what I think is OK, maybe a 1521 01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,880 little too tame for somebody versus somebody else. 1522 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,320 There might be like Gojos. Busted as you built in. 1523 01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,760 Let let me be crystal clear, but. 1524 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,240 Obviously the thing of like, okay, well, to try to keep 1525 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:58,160 something here and there, well, to represent the Infinity stuff. 1526 01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:02,360 Like okay, he's not completely indestructible, but he just 1527 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,120 can't take combat damage, but you can still hit him with a 1528 01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,280 dismember and break him up that way. 1529 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,920 There's the level of like what you think other people who 1530 01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,800 engage with that type maybe so much for on the universe of 1531 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,360 beyond side, more so than like like a custom character, 1532 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:21,880 different custom card where people understand the impulses 1533 01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,120 and the powers of a character and like what their attitude is. 1534 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:29,040 But something like that, where it's like, OK, this needs to be 1535 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,360 at least at a level where people can agree, yeah, that's probably 1536 01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,080 how they would be expressed as a Magic card. 1537 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,320 I still had, like, a couple of comments, but people are like, 1538 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,880 actually here's how this would be expressed and, you know, be a 1539 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,520 little bit better. But I think it really much 1540 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,280 circles around, like, what I would personally think is OK to 1541 01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,760 see as a card, even if it's a little more overpowered. 1542 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:53,880 And also, what is colloquially OK to bring in and adapt from a 1543 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:56,000 work of media into the game of match? 1544 01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,240 Interesting. Gojo strong. 1545 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:01,000 I'd play the hell out of that card. 1546 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:03,000 I mean, for what it's worth, it's a strong card, right? 1547 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:04,800 The. One part of that card that I'm 1548 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,000 still kind of bugged about is having to include the fight 1549 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,960 stuff on it for Black Flash. I like how it works, like 1550 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,000 flavorfully. But I do recognize, yeah, 1551 01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,440 fighting as a mechanic isn't really a thing in Grixus, but 1552 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,360 it's like, God, I needed some way to like have it in there. 1553 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:22,920 And the other part too, for like with hollow purple, for like 1554 01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,000 having everything like collide together, there wasn't a good 1555 01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:28,560 way to do that either with like, well, like, you know, creatures 1556 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,280 make themselves give each other stats or Midas stats facing 1557 01:13:32,280 --> 01:13:34,600 their power. It's like there's not a, it's 1558 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:36,480 not a clean way to do this. And I could also do the little 1559 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:38,720 bit of like, Oh well, Gojo can like choose himself in something 1560 01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,280 else. He fights it, he gets to untap 1561 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:42,240 and do stuff again. I thought that at least be kind 1562 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,200 of cool. That's another thing too, just 1563 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,120 like whether it seems fun to actually play. 1564 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,480 Of course, that's the factor of cards like whether you can 1565 01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,440 create cool little synergies with the card versus something 1566 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,160 else and right encouraging some stuff. 1567 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,840 Right as a stand alone that's that's one thing. 1568 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,560 But if you're going to have like a series on this in the. 1569 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,920 Context of a whole set, Yeah. That's something entirely its 1570 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,320 own thing to it, though. I think that would be kind of a 1571 01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,200 funny excuse to give black fight spells. 1572 01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:04,680 There you go. Are there areas of Magic the 1573 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:06,960 Gathering that you want to understand more deeply? 1574 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,320 How long have you been playing again? 1575 01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,120 I got into this isn't a. Credentials Check No. 1576 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,920 No, you're way. This is I got into Magic around 1577 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,800 2018 or so because college had no Yu-gi-oh scene and I was 1578 01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,000 like, well I want to try something. 1579 01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,200 So my students, the students store I was working at also sold 1580 01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,280 Magic cards. So one of the first packs I ever 1581 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:30,120 got was like Core 2019. That was like responded Angel. 1582 01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,040 And then I think maybe a little bit before that, there was a 1583 01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,280 that was one part of like the more early experiences. 1584 01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:40,240 The earliest part was going to the University of Washington for 1585 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,440 like their gaming Expo and they were doing drafts of almond KET 1586 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:44,800 for free. They could just like pop and get 1587 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,600 the cards for it. I in hindsight, like the fact 1588 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,920 that I vividly remember someone pulling in order to procession 1589 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:55,040 and someone someone else also pulling an invocation from that 1590 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,120 like draft, like the invocation special cards, those like the 1591 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,760 masterpiece equivalents. Yep, kind of funny that I like 1592 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,360 locked it on that, but the that's like my first. 1593 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:06,480 Maelstrom pulse of one of the hieroglyphs from that. 1594 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,440 The like I I pulled like the simic Nisa that I thought like, 1595 01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:12,960 oh, this is super cool, but I don't know anything when I'm 1596 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,800 drafting, it's like, well, I don't know what I'm doing. 1597 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,760 Sure. That's everybody's experience 1598 01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:20,480 basically, are there? Any like old sets that you want 1599 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:23,720 to really get your arms around? Oddball mechanics, rules, layers 1600 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,240 that you want to dig deeper into? 1601 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:29,240 Different templating arrows? Oh God, I. 1602 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,480 Think I'm I'm a little biased because I just saw there were 1603 01:15:31,480 --> 01:15:33,480 six studies video on it, but Fallen empires would be kind of 1604 01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:34,880 interesting. Like really I need. 1605 01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,080 To watch that still. It like just for all the 1606 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:40,360 weirdness that it has in the set, like all the little 1607 01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:46,080 goofiness and like all the different game elements that 1608 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,760 just didn't really pick over like, OK, here's like odd level 1609 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,360 counters. So instead of just a straight 11 1610 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,840 counter, here's a 12 counter. So all the different elements 1611 01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,280 there. I mean, it helps. 1612 01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,760 We're like going back to that same block in like a month or 1613 01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,160 two. But Lorwin I this might be weird 1614 01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,640 to say I have gained a larger appreciation for the older sets 1615 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,320 of magic because a lot of my work has been going through 1616 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,200 older sets and like pricing out bulk to enter into into our 1617 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,360 system of the shop. So I'm talking stuff like 1618 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:20,480 original Rabnica, Lorwin block, original comma and even like 1619 01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:21,840 some of the the old border stuff too. 1620 01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,240 Like I feel like I really want to dig into that old stuff 1621 01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:27,520 because as it turns out, obviously a lot of it's built. 1622 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,560 A lot of it's the foundation for like modern magic. 1623 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:33,040 Like like literally when you think of it, Ravnica itself is 1624 01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,640 just so it's defined like the color parish the past 20 years. 1625 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:39,600 It's insane that like something from that longer talk. 1626 01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,360 About color Parish, it's which Guild is it? 1627 01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,400 Yeah. It used to be I think just like 1628 01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:47,160 with the OR like the color abbreviations, but now it's the 1629 01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,960 guilds and even like old Kamagawa has a bunch of goofy 1630 01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:50,880 stuff. I was just talking to some 1631 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,200 friends earlier today about I was talking with Jose host 1632 01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:58,760 Beacon and he built out like a bracket one Amane deck from 1633 01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:02,800 Champions of Kamagawa. It's a like a 12 drop golgari 1634 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,720 legend that like if you cast it from your hand you can get a 1635 01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,640 spirit. I know what you're. 1636 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,640 Talking about and then if you like when it dies, you can exile 1637 01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:11,920 it and then get like any number of spirits back to your hand. 1638 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,760 Like those are cool mechanics. They suck in the modern day, but 1639 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,280 it's so cool. It like it's really cool and 1640 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:19,560 that's the kind of stuff that I want to try to maybe at one 1641 01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:23,240 point dive more into for like just how to maybe get some of 1642 01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:26,640 that stuff that was maybe kind of I wouldn't say malformed per 1643 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,720 say, but it's like it was still new prototype. 1644 01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,760 It was still in the oven at that point and try to make it work 1645 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,600 more into the with modern sensibilities, I. 1646 01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:40,320 I think Design, Morrow, Gavin, all of them, they, they have no 1647 01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:43,120 problem admitting their swings and misses and what they learned 1648 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:45,160 from them. And you know, that's, that's a 1649 01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,200 really good point because you get to go back and then you see 1650 01:17:47,200 --> 01:17:49,440 that evolution, you see the stumbles, you see the 1651 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,160 corrections, you see how they're moving forward. 1652 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,320 So that's, that's, that's, that's a good place. 1653 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,920 I would recommend that if you have some free time, go go dig 1654 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,880 into the crappy mechanics in Kamagawa. 1655 01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:02,640 Like tell me what the sweep mechanic does. 1656 01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,160 I don't remember. I know it's a keyword. 1657 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,880 It's is it return a land? So. 1658 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,600 So it's one of those, OK, so I call them spellify, I call them 1659 01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,840 fake keywords because if they were like a full real keyword, 1660 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,200 it would just have the keyword there. 1661 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,280 But instead it's like keyword hyphen. 1662 01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:20,320 Do the thing here and sweep out things like return any number of 1663 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,120 lands to your hand to do this effect which. 1664 01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,680 Is that's it? It's crazy, right? 1665 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,520 You look at that and you're like, is that a real keyword? 1666 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,160 No, it's a fake keyword. There's only. 1667 01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,400 Like 7 cars. 3/4 is what I'm counting and then there's other 1668 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:37,320 car and really. Limited apparently 2IN white. 1669 01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:40,600 One in red, one in black. Crazy. 1670 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:44,680 So when when you look ahead, what kind of magic content or 1671 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,240 exploration interests you? And you touched on this a little 1672 01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:48,600 bit, right? Like with the custom cards and 1673 01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,360 everything, but is it more puzzles? 1674 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,760 Is it more breakdowns? Do you want to go deeper dives? 1675 01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,400 Are you going to maybe go a little bit further into short 1676 01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:59,640 form next? So my, my current like goals and 1677 01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,640 stuff that I have in my head is definitely, yeah, I want to do 1678 01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:03,920 more the custom cards. I use Magic set editor for 1679 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:06,880 design my cards. And I have about like 10 or so 1680 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,200 cards right now that are in some phase of either like I like 1681 01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,560 where this is at and I'll make a video about it or like currently 1682 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,160 in the design stages. And a lot of that's because I 1683 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,960 want to give an excuse to talk about things that I like. 1684 01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,120 Like there's some manga out right now for Shonen jump, like 1685 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,000 Akane Banashi, which is shonen manga about rock ago acting. 1686 01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,080 If you have an Andy that does it's a it is a it is a form of 1687 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,320 acting in Japanese theater where it is just one person kind of 1688 01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:32,160 kneeling on a little pillow and they only have themselves. 1689 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,080 They have a little like red handkerchief and they have like 1690 01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,400 a fan and by changing what they're holding and how they're 1691 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,360 saying things is how they're switching between characters but 1692 01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,520 otherwise functioning one man show and you're like telling a 1693 01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,760 story or adapting something about it. 1694 01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,680 It's is shockingly good and I think it's going to be anime at 1695 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,520 some point, like either end of this year or like next year. 1696 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,960 It's one of my it's been one of my favorite mangas. 1697 01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,080 There's another one each of the witch. 1698 01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,720 It's another shown in manga. It kind of plays like monster of 1699 01:19:57,720 --> 01:20:00,640 the week in a world where only women can be mages. 1700 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,960 We have like the first male mage and he's basically been living 1701 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,400 in the boonies as like hunting animals and just like living off 1702 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,800 the fat of the land. And he's still like, all right, 1703 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,520 you have to be like a witch now and like have all this magic 1704 01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,680 power. Have fun with that. 1705 01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,240 It's a really fun story. So stuff like that or stuff 1706 01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,280 like, so I can have some cards set up right now for like Edward 1707 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:20,960 and Alphonse for Full Metal Alchemist. 1708 01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,800 So talking about those. That's inventive design stuff. 1709 01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,480 Continuing to do more stuff with like converting other games into 1710 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,160 magic or Magic into other games. Some friends in real life know 1711 01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,680 because I've talked about this for like a year now. 1712 01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,400 There is another video in that same vein of like converting 1713 01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:39,080 from goat to goat format, Yu-gi-oh to Magic, except it's 1714 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:44,760 for the 2013 Dragon Ruler deck from Yu-gi-oh to Magic. 1715 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,160 And that's only pertinent because Dragon Ruler at that 1716 01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:50,920 time was like considered one of the end all be all best decks in 1717 01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:54,120 the entire game's history, and I wanted to see how would fare 1718 01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:58,520 into 2013 Modern. So that's like probably my next 1719 01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,640 interesting. So there's. 1720 01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,520 That there's some other little things here and there. 1721 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,520 A friend of mine at work has a commander cube and I've noticed 1722 01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,040 hey, there's not really like a big commander cube or any like 1723 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,240 kind of cube kind of focus on YouTube in the same. 1724 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,560 I wouldn't say the same being of like game nights because I'll, 1725 01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:16,520 I'll be honest, I my personal thing is I want to stay away 1726 01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,760 from necessarily full commander content as possible. 1727 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,560 I love commander content, but fact of the matter is, is 1728 01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,640 diluted. It is everywhere on YouTube and 1729 01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,640 it's like, what do you do to make it different? 1730 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,440 Like, OK, you have like chaos points. 1731 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,400 You have, you have like little gameplay elements into it, but I 1732 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,120 think it might for me, I think it's better if the community 1733 01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,760 could express more formats and that would be more of a regular 1734 01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,840 thing like like shuffle up and play where it's not just 1735 01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:44,080 commanders, just people literally just sitting down 1736 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,720 playing magic. I'd love to make more content in 1737 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,280 that same type of vein of just, and that's kind of what I'd want 1738 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,320 to do with like the the conversion content because I 1739 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,280 obviously have recorded gameplay for it, but it's like, I want to 1740 01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,560 be able to sit down with my friends and just shoot it about 1741 01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:59,440 just like goofy stuff and magic or just like fun little gameplay 1742 01:21:59,440 --> 01:22:01,440 bits. So like I said, it boils down to 1743 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:05,200 just wanting to do more to involve game design stuff into 1744 01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:08,160 my content. My my my channel is called JMR 1745 01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,640 Game design for God's sakes. It can't just all be on the I 1746 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,960 love Spellify, but also I need. I want a way to better show off 1747 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,840 what I think I know about game development and game design so. 1748 01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,440 Is there? Is there something you haven't 1749 01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:23,520 had a chance to try yet, but you want to experiment there? 1750 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:28,960 Is a It originated out from Yu-gi-oh, from a guy named CMO 1751 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,640 who's one of the bigger creators in that space. 1752 01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,120 It's called the Program. On shuffle up and play, it's. 1753 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,600 Called the Progression series. Basically the idea is you start 1754 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,280 with both players or both people or however many people in the 1755 01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:46,000 game, open up a box of a Yu-gi-oh set and then build out 1756 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,600 a deck from it and then you know, progressing through the 1757 01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:51,000 entire history of the game. I want to do something like that 1758 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,880 for Magic. I know there's like 1 channel 1759 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,800 that's done some variation of it with like just from the start 1760 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,040 from. And also like with Modern, 1761 01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,440 basically you're using like pack opening simulators to build out 1762 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:03,040 your collection online because obviously who the Hell's to be 1763 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,800 able to get a full box, 2 boxes, let alone of alpha or beta? 1764 01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:08,160 Let's be completely real here, Nobody. 1765 01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:10,480 I haven't won the lottery yet, so. 1766 01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,520 But it's, it's stuff like that where it's like it, it's, you 1767 01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,320 know, this whole idea of like limitations through creativity 1768 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,560 and especially in like a 60 card format where and there's also 1769 01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,520 like the element of like people getting to kind of watch the 1770 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,040 collections grow over time and people getting to mess with the 1771 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:27,440 decks. It is a series that I would love 1772 01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:30,760 to do but also recognize. It is a massive time commitment 1773 01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:34,560 between everybody involved. I got all of 20. 26 No big deal. 1774 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,760 I got to find people for it too. Yeah. 1775 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:42,640 So if someone's new to your content and wants a wants a 1776 01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,760 starting point, what's a video or project that you'd say go 1777 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:52,160 here first? I would pin my Yu-gi-oh or 1778 01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,600 Yu-gi-oh to magic video. It's like, I think one of the 1779 01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,280 top rated if you go to like popular on my channel from 1780 01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:59,320 converting from go to go to magic. 1781 01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,800 It's a video that I'm personally very proud of just because one, 1782 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,480 it's lovely put it as one of my more successful videos, but two, 1783 01:24:05,480 --> 01:24:08,600 I put a lot of work into it and it's I it combines 2 of my 1784 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:12,280 greatest loves you go magic, and it's something that I like to be 1785 01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,040 able. I think it encapsulates my stuff 1786 01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,680 where I want to be able to educate people on all the card 1787 01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,040 games that I love. And obviously after that, go 1788 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:22,480 check out some spellify shorts. Is there a specific one that you 1789 01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:24,480 would be like? This is the one. 1790 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:27,200 If you are ever going to get hooked on spellify, this is the 1791 01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,760 short to watch. Does anything come to mind? 1792 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,200 There's 600 that I'm asking to parse through now. 1793 01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:36,560 Honestly I wanna say it's the one with Kazul to be completely 1794 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,480 honest cuz that one is like cool. 1795 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:42,000 OK, I. Mean it's more recent ones, it's 1796 01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,480 at least using some of the new editing. 1797 01:24:43,560 --> 01:24:47,240 And it's like, I don't even know if it's a car that I don't think 1798 01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,280 a lot of people would even be able to recognize, like with 1799 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,120 just all the blanks. I mean, you have the deck for 1800 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:52,800 it, but I don't know if I just showed you the blank card. 1801 01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,040 It's like, yeah, this is the card, figure it out. 1802 01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:57,840 Right. This is the second deck I've put 1803 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,760 him in now. So this is going to be a Joel 1804 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:00,560 and Ellie. That's two more. 1805 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:02,680 Decks than I ever put him into I'm going to be completely real 1806 01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:05,120 of you the. Other one is Thantis the war 1807 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:06,600 Weaver, which makes a lot of sense. 1808 01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:08,120 That makes. More sense that makes that makes 1809 01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:09,720 a lot of sense they're. Both jum decks. 1810 01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:11,160 Jessie. You should love that, John. 1811 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,360 'S my John. Jum out, John. 1812 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:14,800 Jum out, John. That's my. 1813 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,000 Playmat is. Josh, absolutely fantastic 1814 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,280 having you on. Thank you for coming on, talking 1815 01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,680 to us about how you, how you think, what you notice, how 1816 01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,920 you've carved out such this fun lane and magic content. 1817 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,680 So the floor is yours. What's the best place for people 1818 01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,800 to follow your work and keep up with what you're doing? 1819 01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,720 Well, if you want to follow me what I do, I am almost everyone 1820 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,000 on social media. You can find me on YouTube, 1821 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,600 TikTok, Instagram, blue sky Twitter at Jmar game designer. 1822 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,360 I think blue sky is like jmar game design dot blue sky dot 1823 01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,360 app, because blue sky wants to just add the random things onto 1824 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,520 the end of there. I have the link tree too. 1825 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:51,600 I think that was just like the link tree slash jmar game 1826 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,240 design. You can find all my other links 1827 01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:54,880 there, including all the affiliate links to the companies 1828 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,280 I work with. If you want to support the 1829 01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,040 channel, check those links out. I know a couple of them are 1830 01:25:58,040 --> 01:25:59,640 doing Black Friday stuff or like Christmas stuff. 1831 01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:02,360 So throw me a couple bones if you want to. 1832 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,880 And I also have my own website that's really more of like my 1833 01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,800 professional game development stuff from when I was working 1834 01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:10,800 more in the industry, jmargames.com. 1835 01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:13,600 Hindsight should probably throw out some like some blogs about 1836 01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,840 like game design and stuff that that probably be kind of cool to 1837 01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,320 put out. But yeah, really the best place 1838 01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:19,720 to find me is primarily like YouTube, Instagram and Twitter. 1839 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,960 Those are my big ones to reach out to you. 1840 01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:24,920 Awesome. Everybody go, go find Josh. 1841 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:28,200 Like subscribe, hit all the buttons, just not at the same 1842 01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:29,240 time. That gets dangerous. 1843 01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:33,800 So we're now back to we're now back to flavor text or song 1844 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,760 lyrics. So, Jesse, as the red day is 1845 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:42,560 dawning and the lightning cracks the sky, they'll raise their 1846 01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:47,480 hands to the heavens above with resentment in their eyes. 1847 01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,720 It. Feels like a red card but I 1848 01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,280 can't figure out what. But it definitely feels like a 1849 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,640 magic card. I'm thinking of the red card 1850 01:26:54,640 --> 01:26:58,560 that gives you like 4 red mana for some reason, but. 1851 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,400 I'm thinking like a seething song or something. 1852 01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,000 Yeah, something like. That yeah, but I'm probably 1853 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,120 wrong. It feels like a red card though 1854 01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:04,960 I. Finally got him, guys. 1855 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,040 I finally got Josh. You know what this is? 1856 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,720 I know what this is. You want you want him to go, 1857 01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,040 Jesse. Yeah. 1858 01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:11,960 What is it? It's. 1859 01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,040 Song where he's dragon force. It's through the fire and flame. 1860 01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,920 See, you had some lyrics. Last week I didn't think you 1861 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,240 were gonna do two in a row. So what, So what, what he said 1862 01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:24,920 that I got so happy because one of the first concerts I've I 1863 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,680 went to moving out to Atlanta here was Dragon Force and that 1864 01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,760 that show was awesome. What happened was like they 1865 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,680 didn't they didn't sing it for the entire day. 1866 01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:34,800 And then at the very end they had everyone like chanting 1867 01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,240 encore for like 3 minutes. They finally came back on board, 1868 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,520 sang it out and you don't get to live till you get to crowd surf 1869 01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:41,760 during the solo. Not gonna listen. 1870 01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:46,560 Wow. So mine is if it comes for you, 1871 01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,960 die boldly or die swiftly, for die you will I. 1872 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,520 Think that's a magic card? It doesn't sound sing songy. 1873 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:55,640 I'm leaning to say a magic card as well. 1874 01:27:55,640 --> 01:27:57,720 That feels like something from like a pre modern. 1875 01:27:58,480 --> 01:27:59,800 You're right. Like it feels like it's 1876 01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:03,480 something like Ice Age or or homelands. 1877 01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:05,920 It still feels Forexian to me like. 1878 01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,000 It's all Forexian to me like. Frexian Devour or something like 1879 01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,080 that, That's where my mind's going. 1880 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,160 It's a Magic card it. Is a magic card. 1881 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,440 It is not forexing though it is not old. 1882 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,640 It is Balefire dragon get. Out. 1883 01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:26,720 Interesting. Great card. 1884 01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,000 Well, I got both, so I'll take it everyone. 1885 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,720 Listening. Go follow Josh where he's 1886 01:28:32,720 --> 01:28:34,040 active. We'll get the links in the 1887 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,280 description and everything. Jesse, any words of wisdom this 1888 01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,160 week? Magic players love puzzles, 1889 01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:43,000 mostly because we create 90% of them ourselves. 1890 01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:46,960 But whether your brain is rearranging letters or trying to 1891 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:49,760 understand why someone cast a spell before combat, just 1892 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,920 remember the real solution was blaming variants all along. 1893 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:55,520 Be awesome out there and we'll see you next time.