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Oh, I want to welcome those of 
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and a very special welcome to 
those of you who are here for 

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the first time or the first time
in a long time. 

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I really believe this. 
I believe that today could be a 

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significant moment in your faith
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Now, before we get to that, I 
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couple things that I think will 
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One, camp registration is open 
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That's exactly, exactly right. 
So if you hop in the app, you'll

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find that that in the 4U 
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So if this is a perfect time, 
our church has grown, which is a

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great thing. 
And there's only so many beds at

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camp. 
So you want to sign your kid up 

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early and you will save if you 
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Second thing is there might be 
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what, I want to help send kids 
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There are two ways for you to do
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One is through the in your 
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registration for that is in the 
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We use the funds from that golf 
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They'll be for them across this 
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will make a difference and to 
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in providing scholarships for 
camp you're going I'm not going 

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to golf. 
I love Jesus but and I love 

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kids, but I don't love golf. 
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and creating a scholarship in 
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Our goal is simple. 
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kid who wants to go to camp will
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And for anybody who is looking 
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their generosity, you could join
Jennifer and me. 

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We totaled it up. 
We're going to have 9 camps this

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summer for our kids, which is 
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And to send one kid to each of 
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$18190.00. 
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taking that step alongside 
Jennifer and I, you can do that.

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You can find all of that 
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the app and it will point you in
all the directions that you need

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to go. 
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noticed in my years of ministry 
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the table from hundreds of you, 
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There is almost always a 
question of faith that needs to 

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be answered before a step of 
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And that is why I am so glad 
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You see, God is not afraid of 
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we. 
In fact, we believe that God and

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His Word not only welcome every 
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every major question about life 
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And just to kind of give you 
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of our weekend services has been
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There are a bunch of questions 
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over the course of our weekend 
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So if you didn't hear the answer
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rattled around in your brain 
when we post the services 

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online, feel free to watch all 
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catch caught up. 
But to help you take your next 

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step of faith, we have invited 
Doctor Sean McDowell to part 

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with us this weekend. 
Doctor Sean McDowell has devoted

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his career to help bring truth 
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As a college professor, a high 
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he has exceptional insights into
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imparts his observations to 
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students alike. 
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Professor of Christian 
Apologetics at Biola University,

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the largest and top ranked 
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the world. 
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teacher, Sean was awarded 
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hometown. 
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speaker, which is why we were so
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to come here. 
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churches, universities 
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on radio and television shows. 
He's a best selling author and 

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has written and Co written over 
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He has a masters degree in both 
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PhD from apologetics and 
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This guys tired folks. 
He's incredibly tired. 

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He is also the Co host for the 
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since 2000. 
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California, where we're going to
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Blink if you want to move. 
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So would you guys please welcome
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stage? 
Thanks brother. 

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This has been a blast. 
That's fun. 

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So we've done. 
I think this is what is, is this

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our fifth? 
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12344, yeah. 

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This is our fifth, isn't it? 
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Week in Thursday, Thursday, 
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Yeah, it's fine to teach math. 
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Now what I want to do is I want 
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this matters to me. 
I felt called to go into 

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ministry, and so I enrolled in 
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spend not just the rest of my 
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entire eternity on it. 
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apologetics class in Bible 
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And one of the very first books 
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More Than a Carpenter, and it 
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And so part of my faith journey 
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And now part of your faith 
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family. 
Tell us a little bit about your 

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faith journey. 
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So that book, more than a 
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story. 
Some of you might recognize the 

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name Josh McDowell. 
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spoken to more young people live
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reasons I think it's like 30 
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tells his dramatic story of 
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abuse. 
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who took her own life, be 
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consider the claims of Christ, 
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surprised by the evidence. 
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down that he was able to look 
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and say I love you and I forgive
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That's the family I grew up in 
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I'm fishing around on this new 
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Maybe you've heard of it called 
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Mid 90s and I come across this 
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arguing that Christianity is 
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content. 
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thought, Oh my goodness, I could
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I don't know how to answer this.
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went to my father and we were 
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like this. 
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the eyes. 
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it's true, but I'm not sure that
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true. 
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the eyes. 
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great. 
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I mean, imagine if your kids or 
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would you respond? 
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my faith. 
You've got to seek after truth, 

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build your own convictions. 
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convinced you'll follow Jesus 
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I helped my dad update that 
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me, but I've dedicated my life 
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there's answers if we're willing
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believers who are open to 
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Christianity makes sense. 
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So let's start off with a big 
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Now each of like I said, each of
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This will be fun. 
This is. 

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I'm reading through the cards. 
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Let's start here. 
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Jesus Christ? 
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was a, you know, fact fiction. 
Is there any historical evidence

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not just including the Bible? 
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is it's rooted in the person of 
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historical Buddha was is 
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Hinduism. 
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and prophets, but the identity 
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Hinduism. 
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unlike Jesus, didn't claim to be
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There are other prophets. 
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person of Jesus being born of a 
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dying on the cross and raising 
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your faith is in vain. 
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question. 
Is there historical evidence? 

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We obviously have the Gospels. 
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the New Testament. 
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that come after the apostles one
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in the 90s, Tacitus of Roman who
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chronicling the life of Jesus, 
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remarkable. 
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Jesus is the most famous and 
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government power. 
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to in a obscure corner of the 
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But we have tells the story that
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Jesus was crucified and then at 
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that the tomb was empty. 
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discovered the empty tomb and 
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man. 
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discovering the empty tomb? 
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Jesus lived, died tomb is empty 
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claims of people who said they 
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women, the apostles, James who 
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the claim that they have seen 
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That's why Acts 420 says we 
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we have seen and heard. 
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things. 
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says in Acts 2, he says the 
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He's tested by wonders and 
signs, and you yourselves know 

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this is true minimally. 
That's a lot of confidence for 

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my witnesses to say these facts 
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true. 
I could keep going, but yes, 

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there is good evidence for the 
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resurrection. 
And in fact, I mean clean this 

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up if you need to, but most his,
almost all historians and truth 

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thinkers agree universally that 
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lived on a real planet earth. 
The question is for them whether

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or not he was divine. 
Really quickly, there's basic 

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facts around the person Jesus 
that he lived, that he died, he 

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was buried, tomb was empty. 
Paul claimed he saw the risen 

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Jesus. 
Apostles report beliefs they saw

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the risen Jesus. 
There's widespread agreement 

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about these things. 
But there's only one explanation

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that can account for all the 
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history, and it's that Jesus has
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So yes, there's historical 
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is Jesus really God? 
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It's getting personal, so 
there's incentive many times to 

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come up with other theories and 
explain it away. 

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OK, while you're talking, you 
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and you know what we would call 
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False prophet, But give us some 
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Christianity and Islam. 
Love it. 

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So let's start with some of the 
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Islam, Judaism, Christianity, 
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We believe in one God who's a 
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Buddhism or Hinduism or other 
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identity of Jesus. 
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Things which are massive things.
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Quran, which I do not believe is
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inspired. 
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which the scriptures revealed 
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about. 
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works. 
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they say salvation is from 
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you are to work and follow the 
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salvation. 
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6, What work must I do? 
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Lord Jesus Christ and you shall 
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It is a free gift of grace. 
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in. 
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in Houston a number of years ago
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cab driver was a Muslim and he 
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I said, well, I just gave a talk
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Christian. 
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because we worship the same God.
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I played a little bit dumb. 
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God? 
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It's called shirk to associate 
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one person deity, you might say.
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worship the same God, but 
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they'll reject that Jesus is the
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and so overwhelming, it's really
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OK, so let's go a little bit 
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we're trying to get the people 
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their Bible. 
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start in the New Testament. 
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you know what, I'm going to 
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doing, you know, pretty good. 
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get into some books, the Bible, 
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that are kind of difficult to 
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importantly, really difficult to
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It appears in Scripture that God
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way out of character for God. 
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That is not what's taking place 
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Nonetheless, there's some pretty
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Amalekites and the Canaanites 
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as like, wait a minute, this 
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You asked me about suffering and

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you asked me about evil. 
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God allow evil? 
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Friends, this is an example of 
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stopping it. 
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it both ways. 
You can't say God doesn't act 

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enough and God acts too much. 
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know about the Amalekites and 
the Canaanites, I see kids in 

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here, so I'm not going to go 
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the sexual perversion. 
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the wickedness that was there. 
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come in and judge wickedness. 
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Genesis 1516, God is speaking 
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till 400 years that you inhabit 
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Amalekites has run its course. 
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future, but he gave them every 
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century after century. 
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them prophets and words to 
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That's one piece to keep in 
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come to the story of Jericho, 
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out, there's Rahab who lived 
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show up, she had heard the 
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She was spared because of her 
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So in many of these 
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would flee, it wasn't you still 
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them every time it was. 
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sense because this is where the 
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Now, admittedly with this 
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so much more in packing, so much
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I fully concede that. 
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God gave the people when we look
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wickedness that was there, when 
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would warn people and they could
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the stories, and we think about 
God saving the world through 

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that land, through his Messiah 
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We can begin to piece together a
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One last thing I would say is 
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By the way, God can kill, but he
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Why? 
Because God is the one who gives

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us life. 
God is the one who gives us 

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breath. 
God is the one who made 

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everything. 
He doesn't owe you and me 

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another breath. 
He doesn't owe us that. 

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right based on His sovereign 
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That is a really, really good 
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to hold this intention. 
I would say there are no easy 

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answers that's right to these 
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question, but there are good 
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I kind of unpacked this a little
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God is perfect in his love and 
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There is nobody who has ever 
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by anybody other than God. 
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that, he was still, he was still
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OK, two, if a bad guy was trying
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bad things, you would issue, you
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He's saying you can't get mad at
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evil, and then get mad at God 
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Does that make sense? 
You guys got to hold. 

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You got to hold a little bit of 
that intention. 

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The Bible tells us that when 
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died. 
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All of us have sinned. 

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they live, but why does God 
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live? 
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person in the work of Jesus 
Christ that we are allowed to be

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saved from our sins. 
So God was still operating 

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inside of his loving character. 
He was still operating inside of

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his divine power. 
He was still doing a right and 

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righteous and just act even 
though it is hard for us to 

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swallow and navigate. 
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Let's get into this. 
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So if God is perfect, why does 
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imperfections and chaos? 
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this. 
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When we say perfect, that's what
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He is holy and he is perfect in 
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If God is going to make a 
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What? 
What do I mean by this? 

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If you said Sean, what's a 
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well, what do you want that 
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If you needed to edit videos, 
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To me, a perfect laptop is 1 I 
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in the middle seat between two 
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So what do I need? 
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people that are built like me, 
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for a perfect is going to be 
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It has more power, but bigger is
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there's going to be some give 
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So I'm not sure what it even 
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perfect body, a perfect 
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naturally give and take involved
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is also because of the fall. 
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inventing something. 
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chapter 3 taught in the Bible 
that God made creation and it's 

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good. 
He repeats on every day it's 

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good. 
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Genesis chapter 3, we are told 
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groans because of this. 
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the world, the brokenness in our
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creation, the imperfections 
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The third thing I would say is 
often what we think are 

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imperfections are not 
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driven by a worldview. 
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naturalistic world view assumes 
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accidentally without purpose. 
So they point towards a lot of 

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imperfections in the human body.
And there used to be a thing 

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called junk DNA. 
The assumption was DNA in our 

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bodies came about through this 
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So we'd expect to see a lot of 
it not have a purpose, but 

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certain people motivated largely
by what you might say a 

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judeo-christian or intelligent 
design approach that says, you 

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know what, I don't think DNA 
came by accident. 

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I think there's a designer, 
let's go find those purposes. 

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Guess what they find? 
They find purposes for them. 

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So I'd caution people like 
tonsils. 

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In the past, they say take your 
tonsils out. 

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It's an imperfection, we don't 
need it. 

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And then later they go, oh, 
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So with those three things, give
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But then be careful assuming 
there's certain imperfections 

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wedded by a Darwinian worldview.
We consistently find purposes 

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and reasons for things as we 
probe further, which is what we 

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would expect if there really is 
a designer. 

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Man, that's an incredible 
answer. 

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Would you guys give him a big 
round of applause? 

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Thank you so much. 
Jesus was hanging out with his 

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disciples ancestry of Philippi, 
which is kind of like the Lake 

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of the Ozarks of the Middle 
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And they're on a, you know, a 
mini hangout sesh. 

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And while he's there, he looks 
at them and he says, and who do 

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you say that I am? 
And in Matthew chapter 16, verse

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14, we get their answer. 
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Baptist, others say Elijah and 
still others Jeremiah or one of 

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the prophets. 
And there might be some of you 

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here today who you know, people 
who have a different view of 

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Jesus than you do. 
Some will say he's a fictional 

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character. 
Some will say he was a prophet. 

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Some will say he was a good, a 
good teacher, a great example 

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for us to look to. 
Some will say that he was a 

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charismatic leader. 
Others will say he was a 

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misunderstood 1st century Jew. 
But Jesus presses further. 

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He turns him and says, OK, but 
what about you? 

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Who do you say I am? 
And that is the question that 

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each of us have to wrestle 
through today. 

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Because the question you not 
have to answer is not what do 

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other people believe about 
Jesus, but what do I believe 

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about Jesus? 
What do you believe about Jesus?

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When you die and you stand 
before God, he's not going to 

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ask you, what did your mom 
believe? 

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What did your dad believe? 
What did your neighbor believe? 

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But do you believe Simon Peter 
raises his hand, starts talking 

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before he gets called on and he 
says you are the Christ, the Son

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of the living God. 
And Peter's answer was the right

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one. 
He realized that Jesus was the 

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Christ, the anointed one, the 
promised Messiah, God in the 

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flesh, who was going to deliver 
people from their sins and save 

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them from eternity without God. 
And you might be thinking, well,

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yeah, sure. 
Easy for Peter to say he was 

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with Jesus. 
And I would say to you, yeah, he

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was. 
And he died taking his 

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eyewitness testimony to the 
nations. 

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You see, when we talk about 
placing our faith in Jesus, it 

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is a step of faith, I'll grant 
you that. 

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But it is a reasoned faith. 
There are the eyewitness 

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accounts not just of his life, 
but also of his death and his 

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resurrection. 
In fact, Jesus appeared to over 

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500 people after his 
resurrection. 

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The biblical text can stand up 
to critics, and it can stand up 

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to skeptics. 
The evidence for the existence 

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of God not only stands up to 
scrutiny, but they deliver the 

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very best answers and the most 
reliable answers. 

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It is the best answer for the 
beginning of the universe, the 

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fine tuning of the universe, the
laws of nature, and the 

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existence of objective moral 
values. 

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And that is before you count the
countless lives that have been 

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changed, transformed, redeemed, 
repurposed, of which I am 1 and 

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millions across the globe. 
And you might be saying, yeah, 

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Clayton, but I don't know 
everything there is to know 

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about God. 
And I want you to hear me say I 

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get it. 
But I would tell you, you know 

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enough. 
Let me just talk to the fellows 

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for a second, fellas. 
How many of you know everything 

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there is to know about women? 
Raise your hand. 

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OK, Stay with me. 
But you knew enough to know you 

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wanted one. 
If you didn't raise your hand at

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your weekend just got expensive,
put your hand up, OK? 

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Even if you don't like her, be 
thankful she's next to you still

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OK? 
I did not. 

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And I still do not know 
everything there is to know 

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about Jennifer. 
I just knew enough to know I 

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wanted to spend the rest of my 
life with her. 

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Can I be honest with you? 
It makes sense to me that a God 

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who created the world, put the 
stars in place, wrote the laws 

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of nature, moved the mountains 
to where it would be their home,

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is big enough to hold the waters
of the ocean in the palm of his 

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hand. 
Might be a little too big for me

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to completely wrap my mind 
around, but I know enough. 

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I know enough to know that I 
need Him. 

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I know enough to know that I 
want Him, and I know enough to 

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know that I am lost without Him.
What about you? 

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We're moving to a time of 
decision. 

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This is kind of a special moment
for me because I'm getting an 

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opportunity to share this moment
all across this region at all of

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our campuses. 
And so I just want to take a 

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second. 
I want to talk to those of you 

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who don't have a relationship 
with Jesus Christ yet. 

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I want you to hear me say this. 
God is not just great and He's 

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not just powerful and He's not 
just majestic and He's not just 

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mighty, He is also good. 
So good in fact, that He did not

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make us get right so we could 
come to Him and said He came 

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down to make us right so we 
could be with Him. 

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Romans chapter 5 verse 8 says 
this, but God demonstrates His 

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own love for us in this, that 
while we were still sinners, 

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Christ died for us. 
That means that salvation was 

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His idea. 
Making us right and holy and 

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pure was His idea. 
And when did He do this for us? 

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He moved on our behalf while we 
were still in our sin. 

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That is how good He is. 
Hear me. 

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He did this before you drew your
first breath, before you 

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committed your first sin, before
you rejected His Son and 

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abandoned His purpose that He 
had for you. 

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And He still did it anyway. 
That's how good He is. 

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And if you're here today and 
you've never started a right 

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relationship with Jesus, you're 
on the outside looking in. 

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I have a really good news for 
you. 

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You don't have to stay that way 
any longer in just a few moments

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when the people around you stand
and sing and some of them come 

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to the steps and pray. 
I want to encourage you to take 

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a courageous walk next to the 
Baptist St. each of our 

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locations and find somebody 
who's standing there and go. 

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I've got some questions or I 
want to start my relationship 

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with Jesus right now. 
If you're watching in the chat, 

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you can just say I need someone 
to talk to and they'll get in 

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touch with you. 
To the rest of you, to those of 

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you who know Jesus, you've 
already accepted him as your 

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personal Lord and Savior. 
I just want to pray this over 

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you, that may your faith in God 
would inspire you to greater 

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devotion, obedience, and 
participation in the mission of 

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His Kingdom. 
May it strengthen you in your 

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prayers and guide you through 
your darkest valleys. 

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Would you guys stand with me? 
Heavenly Father, we're just 

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asking you to do something in 
each and every single one of our

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hearts in this moment right now.
Speak to us, make it clear to us

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the step that you want us to 
take. 

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God, show us who you want us to 
become. 

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Point to us, to the sin that we 
need to release, the step of 

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faith that we need to take. 
And then God, would you give us 

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the courage to take it. 
In your name I pray. 

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Amen.
