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Well, hello Crossing Church. 
How are you doing today? 

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Now, I really appreciate that 
and but I know a lot of you 

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aren't telling the truth. 
That you know, you, you, you put

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yourself together, all of our 
locations. 

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And you know, I'm so glad that 
you're here, that you're here in

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person. 
Those of you that are inside and

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online, I know that you're not 
able to be here in person, but 

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and maybe you know you're still 
in your pajamas or whatever or 

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whatever you might be doing. 
But the fact is, is that we want

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to always present something, you
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everybody else around us. 
But in truth, a lot of times we 

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are not what other people 
perceive we are that there's 

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stuff going on inside of our 
lives and we would just rather 

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not burden them with that. 
You know, we would just rather 

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just kind of hold that quietly 
inside of ourselves and put a 

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good face on and. 
And if people ask us how are you

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doing? 
We'll just say fine, when that's

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not the truth, It's kind of how 
we are, right? 

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I mean, it would take a long 
time if you actually wanted to 

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just, you know, back up the dump
truck and let it out, you know, 

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and just say how you doing? 
Well, why don't you sit down. 

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True. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, for a lot of us that 
that's how it is. 

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And we're in the book of Romans 
and we are getting into some 

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real practicality in the latter 
chapters of the book of Romans, 

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and I'm in Romans 14 and 15. 
And it really is a discussion on

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people whose faith is weak and 
people whose faith is strong and

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how those two groups of people 
might interact with one another.

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And we're in the the part of the
series we entitled noticeable 

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neighbors like kind of how are 
you living your life in the 

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context of the people around 
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And one of the things that we're
going to be discussing today is 

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this idea that or this truth 
that we're all damaged and we 

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all are to some extent. 
We're all damaged and damage is 

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actually a part of life. 
And I know that a lot of us are 

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trying to avoid it. 
The parents are trying to keep 

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their kids from having to deal 
with it. 

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We're trying to avoid damage. 
We really can't do it because 

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we're surrounded by it. 
And we we aren't always the 

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victim. 
Sometimes we're the perpetrator,

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you know, because human beings, 
that's kind of what we do. 

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We live in a sinful world, and 
it's a world full of damage, and

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we tend to damage each other. 
Some of the worst damage, 

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though, happens inside of a 
context, like you're in right 

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now is in a church. 
Because I think that we believe 

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that this ought to be a safe 
place, kind of devoid of damage.

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Like, you know, we we, we should
be able to be more transparent 

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here. 
We should be able to be more 

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real here. 
We should be able to trust each 

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other more here. 
But if you've been a part of a 

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church for a very long for any 
time at all, you've probably 

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experienced some of what we 
might call church damage or 

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church hurt. 
And the reason I know we we tend

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to want to like label it as the 
church, like this. 

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This church hurt me. 
But the reality is that churches

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are full of people, and the 
people that fill churches are 

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damaged people. 
And when you're in the proximity

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of damaged people, it can damage
your life because that's just 

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human nature tends to be what we
do, and it might take a lot of 

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different forms in the church. 
It might be that you felt 

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overlooked, maybe you felt taken
for granted. 

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Maybe like in a small group or 
something, you shared some 

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stuff. 
I mean, you risked it, you got 

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open with some other people and 
maybe they shared it with other 

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people and they shouldn't have, 
and you felt betrayed by that. 

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Maybe you were stabbed in the 
back, or maybe you were accused 

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of something that you didn't do.
Maybe it was even more serious 

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than that. 
Maybe you experienced something 

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emotionally abusive or 
physically abusive and there are

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people in churches that have 
been sexually abused. 

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Maybe whatever happened to you, 
you experienced when you were 

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new in your faith and then it 
made you go, you know what, 

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church, that's just like another
one of these institutions. 

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It's just another one of these 
things that you just can't 

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trust. 
This is another club and it 

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really isn't very hard to get 
cynical. 

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And church can be viewed as 
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Like, why do I even need to 
trouble myself with that? 

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I'll just kind of stay back and 
I'll, I'll, I'll keep a healthy 

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distance between me and all of 
whatever's happening in that 

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place. 
I've had people come to The 

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Crossing over the years, share 
stories with me about how broken

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they are when they feel like 
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that story. 
And they will talk about their 

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previous church experience. 
And I begin to realize just what

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a major step of faith it was 
just to walk through the door of

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another church again. 
Some of these people were some 

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of the hardest workers in their 
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some of the most committed 
people in their previous church.

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But now if you find if you can 
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of in the back in the dark and 
they kind of want to stay in the

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shadows. 
It's hard to reengage. 

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Boy, I sure would like to stand 
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just goes one way, but it 
doesn't because I have to tell 

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you that people at the crossing 
staff at the crossing, they have

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done their fair share of hurting
others and driving people away. 

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And I think it's easy for us to 
make excuses for our own 

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behavior or to find fault with 
people for leaving. 

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But there is no doubt that we've
damaged people too. 

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You know, some of that damage 
comes from well meaning 

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Christians. 
And what well meaning Christians

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are trying to do is maybe 
educate. 

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Or we use the term disciple, 
newer believers, right? 

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And so this is what the Apostle 
Paul is beginning to refer to in

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Romans chapter 14. 
Let's let's read it together. 

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It says except the one whose 
faith is weak without quarreling

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over disputable matters also 
stop right there. 

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How many matters do you ever 
face that are disputable? 

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Like all of them? 
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So should we be quarrelling over
disputable matters? 

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Maybe somebody is pretty new in 
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Maybe you've been in your faith 
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Maybe you were kind of raised up
in a different context, this 

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other person, and they're trying
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You think you've got it figured 
out, and so you want to disciple

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this person or help this person 
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And you say some things that may
be really discouraging when 

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you're really just trying to 
help someone else, maybe because

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you're inside of a disputable 
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I think it's something that we 
all deal with. 

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And I think there's a real 
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And the real question is that 
we're. 

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Well, maybe it's a The question 
is, are we are we trying to help

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people to become more like Jesus
or are we trying to help people 

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to become more like us? 
Maybe that's a little tougher 

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way of putting it. 
I think sometimes the real truth

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isn't just Jesus. 
It's Jesus and Jesus and my 

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interpretation of the Bible, 
Jesus and my choice of worship 

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style. 
Jesus and my political leanings.

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Jesus and my worldview. 
Jesus and my group. 

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Jesus and my culture. 
Jesus and my color. 

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Jesus and my education. 
You get it. 

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You talk, you, you get the 
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The point is there is no and 
there's just Jesus. 

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And we keep trying to change 
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But ultimately changing people 
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It's not what we do. 
We're supposed to be cooperating

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with him, not standing in front 
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We need to let him do his job 
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Now. 
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gives examples of this in the 
Roman churches context when he 

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talks about faith and he talks 
about food restrictions in 

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verses two to four of chapter 
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Listen to what he says. 
One person's faith allows them 

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to eat anything, but another 
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vegetables, and the one who eats
everything must not treat with 

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contempt the one who does not 
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everything must not judge the 
one who does, for God has 

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accepted them. 
Who are you to judge someone 

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else's servant to their own 
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A servant stands or falls and 
they will stand, for the Lord is

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able to make them stand. 
So now we're in the context of 

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Romans and food restriction was 
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world and we've already 
established through the study of

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Romans. 
Hope you're still doing that, 

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that the Roman church was an 
established church with with 

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Gentiles and with Jews, and so 
they were having to learn how to

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get along together when they're 
coming from very, very different

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backgrounds. 
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raised Jewish there, there's a 
whole lot of rules associated 

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with your faith. 
It's called eating kosher or 

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eating pure. 
Now, Gentiles, they didn't 

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follow those regulations and 
they were not required to follow

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those regulations. 
But that didn't stop Jews from 

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looking down on Gentiles because
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And it was a big deal to them 
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problems. 
How do we, how do we connect 

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that to our world today? 
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And in many ways, Quincy is a 
very Catholic community, right? 

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There's 8 parishes in Quincy and
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the rest of the other ten 
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that's a reality. 
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Jewish man that moved into a new
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predominantly Catholic community
and and so and all of his 

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neighbors were were Catholics. 
And so on Friday, one of the 

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things that this Jewish man 
loved to do was cook a nice 

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steak on the grill. 
And so every evening Sky was out

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there and he's cooking a steak 
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And all of these Catholics that 
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were taught that they could only
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And so here comes this aroma 
wafting over the back fence, and

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it's just driving all of his 
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And every single Friday night, 
this guy is cooking a nice juicy

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steak on his grill. 
And eventually they just can't 

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take it anymore until they have 
an HOA meeting. 

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I mean, they get the neighbors 
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Catholic neighbors, they go, 
what are we going to do? 

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This is like, this isn't making 
it impossible. 

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I mean, you know, here I am, I'm
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I'm smelling. 
This is killing me. 

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And so they're talking about it,
and they decide, you know, what 

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we got to do? 
Let's convert this Jewish guy to

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Catholicism. 
That's what we'll do. 

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And so they started ganging up 
on him as neighbors, like, like,

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you know, encouraging him and 
talking to him and working on 

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him. 
And over a period of months, you

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know, they started to break this
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And before long they had him to 
the place where he was ready to 

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convert from Judaism to 
Catholicism. 

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So they took him to their to 
their church. 

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It took him before the priest. 
And I don't know what it is that

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the priest has. 
It has the water in it, you 

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know, like the holy what? 
What is that thing called? 

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I don't know what that thing's 
called anyway. 

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You know, there's a sprinkler 
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That's the technical term. 
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It's so the the Jewish man comes
there and and he gets down on 

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his knees and the priest 
standing over him and he's 

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sprinkling the holy water on him
and he goes born at you, raise 

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the Jew now Catholic and all of 
the neighbors went yes, that's 

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it. 
Solve that problem. 

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Next Friday, here comes that 
smell, the smell of a nice steak

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cooking on that guy's grill. 
And they go, we've got him now. 

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And they all join up in the 
street and they head over to his

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house. 
They walk into his backyard and 

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there he is over the grill with 
his little water bottle. 

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And he's going born a cow, 
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Brothers and sisters do not 
determine who their parents are,

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even though a lot of you, 
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your older brothers and sisters 
try to convince you that you 

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know who your parents were and 
weren't. 

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And what does the word accept 
mean when Paul uses it? 

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It means not to reject. 
It means not to ignore. 

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It means not to treat someone 
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Acceptance is a basic 
recognition of family. 

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It's understanding not only who 
we are, but who's we are. 

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That it isn't us who determines 
our siblings in Christ. 

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It's Christ that's determined by
the parent. 

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We don't have to agree, but when
we disagree, we need to disagree

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in a very agreeable way. 
Years ago when I lived in 

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Indiana and our children were 
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And there's a famous deli 
downtown called Shapiro's in 

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Indiana, Indianapolis. 
And Allison is trying to manage 

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these children, toddlers at the 
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and at the same time order. 
So she's not just ordering for 

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herself, she's also ordering for
them. 

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And this is one of those places 
where I kind of step back and 

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let her do that, right? 
Or thankful that she does do 

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that. 
And so she's kind of going fast 

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at Shapiro's. 
And so she goes for one of the 

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kids. 
She says like a ham sandwich. 

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Shapiro's is a deli. 
It's a Jewish deli. 

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Are you? 
Is it too early in the morning? 

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They don't serve ham. 
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counter could have gotten 
frustrated by that, but they 

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could see that there was a young
mom here dealing with kids and a

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dad. 
And I I remember that moment. 

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I looked at her and I went, Oh 
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the counter said, hey, wouldn't 
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I mean, he didn't make a big 
deal out of it. 

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He didn't say, Did you not 
understand that this is a Jewish

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delicatessen and we don't serve 
ham? 

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That ham is not kosher meat? 
He didn't scold her, give her a 

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hard time. 
He just said something nice 

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back. 
If we're going to disagree, we 

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need to disagree in agreeable 
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All goes on to talk about how in
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important to another. 
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value. 
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law between God and the Jews, 
part of the 10 commandments was 

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the 4th commandment, which was 
remember the Sabbath day to keep

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it holy. 
But Gentiles were not a part of 

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that covenant law. 
And in the New Testament, when 

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we see the church established, 
you see this movement from the 

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Sabbath day, which was a 
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And by the way, it wasn't a 
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or I understand a Saturday 
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on our Friday at 6:00 PM and it 
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But that would be the way that 
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of Rome would understand it. 
But Gentiles didn't feel that 

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way. 
And when the church was 

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instituted and acts, two people 
began to worship the Lord on 

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Sunday, the first day of the 
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Lord's day. 
So we we see this movement from 

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the Sabbath, the Saturday to the
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Now that would have sent a 
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culture at that time. 
Then he talks about things like 

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eating meat or abstaining from 
meat and how some people would 

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only eat vegetables. 
Now if you go into First 

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Corinthians chapter 8, it'll get
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kind of culturally what would 
happen anytime you would go to a

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butcher shop to buy meat. 
During this era, all animals 

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that were slaughtered were taken
through like a tunnel and they 

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were passed underneath an idol. 
So all of the animals that were 

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slaughtered, that were killed 
and then butchered technically 

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had been offered to An idol was 
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So, you know, they were trying 
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gods about the sacrifice of an 
animal even though they were 

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going to butcher it for food. 
Well, there were some people 

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that were new in their faith 
that were saying no, no, no, 

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nothing. 
Unclean's going to enter my 

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mouth. 
This was offered to an idol. 

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I won't eat it. 
So they would only eat 

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vegetables. 
And other people would say, come

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on, the fact that people are 
doing whatever they're doing 

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with that animal as far as 
passing it under an Isles, no 

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big deal. 
All this meat is clean. 

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God's made it clean. 
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And you can see how there would 
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difficulty and mean spirited 
talk and people would get 

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frustrated. 
They would step away from it 

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because of what was going on, 
right? 

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And you might think to yourself,
that would not happen today. 

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We wouldn't do that in a church 
today. 

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Come on, you know what I've 
noticed? 

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I don't know about this and all 
the other our other communities 

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been in Quincy. 
Halloween is a pretty big deal. 

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I mean, some people, like, go 
crazy, like with their yards and

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everything, right? 
They just go nuts to celebrate 

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Halloween. 
But there are some people, well 

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meaning Christians, that are 
like, That is the devil's 

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holiday and no one should ever 
celebrate Halloween because 

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you're glorifying the devil. 
For many years my wife ran the 

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preschool in here in Quincy and 
we did a Halloween alternative 

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for preschoolers. 
It was called Noah's Ark Park 

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and kids would dress up as 
animals to go on the ark. 

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But there were some well meaning
Christians tending to disciple 

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others. 
That said, how dare you dress 

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little children up as animals 
for Noah's Ark Park because 

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you're trying to give them an 
alternative to Halloween cause 

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it's really just Halloween you 
pagans. 

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Now you can see how some people 
by faith are saying we should 

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never do anything called 
Halloween. 

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Other people by faith, are 
saying it's not a big deal. 

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And there's even these positive 
ways that we can do this. 

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Would you call that a disputable
matter? 

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Sure, certainly I would, because
we all have our opinions. 

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But our opinions should never be
more important to us than the 

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people that Jesus died for. 
For goodness sake, look at 

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verses 7 to 10, it says. 
For none of us lives for 

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ourselves alone, and none of us 
dies for ourselves alone. 

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If we live, we live for the 
Lord. 

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If we die, we die for the Lord. 
So whether we live or die, we 

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belong to the Lord. 
For this very reason Christ died

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and returned to life, that he 
might be the Lord of both the 

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dead and the living. 
You then why do you judge your 

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brother and sister? 
Why do you treat them with 

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contempt? 
For we will all stand before 

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God's judgment seat. 
We have to recognize that it is 

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not our job to judge or condemn 
other people. 

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Leave that to the Lord and you 
just bring Jesus that not Jesus 

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and just Jesus to people. 
Now in our movement of churches 

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called the Restoration movement 
there are churches that are 

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instrumental and there are 
churches that are non 

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instrumental. 
As a matter of fact from this 

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location where I'm preaching at 
48th and main, if you go over to

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State Street about 46th and 
state there is a Church of 

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Christ. 
It's a non instrumental Church 

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of Christ because the people of 
the non instrumental Church of 

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Christ do not see instruments 
being used to worship God. 

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In the New Testament, they're 
worshipped in using instruments,

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The Old Testament, but not in 
the New Testaments. 

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And since the New Testament is 
silent about the use of 

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instruments in worship, they 
don't use instruments and they 

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sing a cappella. 
Now they're fine with music in 

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any other setting, but when it 
comes to worship, no 

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instruments, how should we feel 
about that? 

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Will? 
You obviously know how I feel 

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about it, because you know, we 
love music and all forms and 

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instruments. 
We think that's fine, but what 

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if I were to invite, and we have
before, someone from the non 

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instrumental Church of Christ to
come and speak at the crossing? 

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What would I do? 
Would I have an expectation that

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they just need to just get over 
it or would I do something 

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different? 
I've literally done this and 

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I've asked people to come and I 
I've told them, listen, we will 

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cover our instruments and we 
will sing acapella because we 

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want to honor you. 
Because whether we have 

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instruments or don't have 
instruments doesn't mean 

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anything compared to who Christ 
Jesus died for. 

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And we need to honor each other 
that way and not get caught up 

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so much. 
Indisputable matters because 

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ultimately we are all going to 
have to answer to God for this. 

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That's what that scripture says.
Look at verses 12 and 13. 

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It says so then each of us will 
give an account of ourselves to 

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God. 
Therefore, let us stop passing 

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judgment on one another. 
Instead, make up your mind not 

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to put any stumbling block or 
obstacle in the way of a brother

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or a sister. 
That's the main thing. 

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We're not supposed to forget it.
Let's look at another verse, the

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19th verse. 
It says Let us therefore make 

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every effort to do what leads to
peace and mutual edification. 

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I wish I could frame that and 
hand it out to everybody. 

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Let us do whatever leads to 
peace and mutual edification. 

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Edification means to encourage. 
It means to build up, make 

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another person feel pretty good 
about where they are. 

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So, and it's so. 
There's two things there, peace 

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and mutual edification. 
Here's two questions we should 

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always ask ourselves before we 
ever get into a conversation 

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that is going to devolve into a 
disputable matter. 

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Number one, does my part in the 
conversation lead to peace? 

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Are the things that I'm saying 
or the ways that I'm responding?

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Doesn't matter if I brought it 
up or they brought it up. 

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Is it leading to peace? 
#2? 

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Do the things that I contribute 
to the conversation actually 

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build the other person up in 
some way? 

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I want you to think about before
stuff came out of your mouth. 

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How much different would your 
life be if before anything came 

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out of your mouth? 
You ask yourselves those two 

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questions and then lived 
according to them. 

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Is it contributing to peace? 
And I am I encouraging the other

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person in some way? 
I would imagine a lot of us 

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would have a lot less to say. 
I imagine that a lot of us would

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be spending a lot less time on 
social media and it and and we 

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would look at our phones and 
when it got we got our screen 

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time thing, it would say, well 
you're really down. 

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You know it's like yeah, why? 
It's because of that if those 

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things are not happening, we 
need to ask why. 

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Could it be because we have this
Pride issue that we want to be 

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right, That we just want to be 
right here? 

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A couple of weeks ago, I 
received an e-mail. 

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Some people had come to me and 
they had asked me to use my 

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influence as the publisher of 
Christian Standard magazine to 

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promote something. 
And they were being so nice to 

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me. 
And I took them out and we had a

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meal together and, you know, was
sharing with them. 

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And then immediately I got 
emails back. 

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Just really positive. 
Boy, I really appreciate your 

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time. 
Really appreciate the things you

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shared with us. 
I'm so excited about this. 

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I'm so excited about that. 
But as some people do, sometimes

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they don't realize that they 
have other emails to one another

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attached to the e-mail that they
sent to me. 

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And the two guys were emailing 
each other back and forth 

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talking about me and hadn't 
realized that they sent that 

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along, that that was somehow 
attached. 

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You know, you'd never do 
anything like that. 

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That's never happened to you. 
So I'm reading this and I'm 

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like, wow, that. 
So that's what they think. 

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That's what they really think. 
One guy was saying to the other 

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guy, I, I, I, I'll place a bet 
that he doesn't call, he doesn't

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e-mail us back for two weeks, 
stuff like that. 

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I showed it to my wife. 
She got really upset. 

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And so there's a part of me 
that's going and I was working 

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on this sermon and I went great 
sermon illustration, but it 

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doesn't lead to peace or mutual 
edification Flood go right and 

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some of you are going are going 
well that never that's never 

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happen Anything like that's ever
happened to me. 

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Oh yeah. 
Oh yeah. 

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Well, maybe it hasn't. 
Maybe it didn't have an e-mail 

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issue like that. 
But maybe to a person's face, 

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you've said the things you know 
that they want to hear. 

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But when you get with somebody 
else and you talk about that 

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person, the conversation is very
different. 

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And we're all guilty of that. 
Look at the 22nd verse. 

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So whatever you believe about 
these things, keep between 

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yourself and God bless. 
The One is the one who does not 

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condemn himself by what he 
approves. 

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That's some really, really good 
advice. 

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Have you ever gotten into it 
with someone about some petty 

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thing? 
And then after the damage is 

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00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:58,740
done, you look back and you say 
to yourself, it would have been 

453
00:30:58,740 --> 00:31:07,180
just better if I would have kept
my foolish mouth shut, keeping 

454
00:31:07,180 --> 00:31:09,100
some things just between you and
God looking. 

455
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:12,890
It's okay if you want to say to 
God, this person just really 

456
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:16,370
hacks me off. 
I don't know you. 

457
00:31:17,050 --> 00:31:19,650
God can handle that. 
You keep, you know, you complain

458
00:31:19,650 --> 00:31:22,810
up. 
It's OK, he'll work through 

459
00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:24,490
that. 
He'll remind you of all the 

460
00:31:24,490 --> 00:31:30,570
things that you do right. 
But this other direction is not 

461
00:31:30,570 --> 00:31:34,010
good. 
This direction from 22 is really

462
00:31:34,010 --> 00:31:38,210
good advice. 
And the other thing that you see

463
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:42,930
from this is that Jesus takes it
personally when people insult 

464
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:46,770
you because of your faith, it 
offends you. 

465
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:50,130
When people insult you because 
your faith, it also offends him.

466
00:31:51,010 --> 00:31:53,730
And you might go, OK, all right,
it's nice to have someone stand 

467
00:31:53,730 --> 00:31:54,810
up for me. 
That's a good thing. 

468
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:59,410
But wait, he also takes it 
personally when you and I talk 

469
00:31:59,410 --> 00:32:03,090
down to someone because of some 
shortcoming they might have. 

470
00:32:03,090 --> 00:32:07,770
Or maybe not to someone, but 
about someone to someone else. 

471
00:32:11,380 --> 00:32:16,180
Chapter 15 verses one to three 
says, we who are strong ought to

472
00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:19,020
bear with the failings of the 
weak and not to please 

473
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:21,860
ourselves. 
Each of us should please our 

474
00:32:21,860 --> 00:32:24,060
neighbors for their good, to 
build them up. 

475
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:28,540
For even Jesus, even Christ did 
not please himself. 

476
00:32:28,540 --> 00:32:33,620
But as as it is written, the 
insults of those who insult you 

477
00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:40,870
have fallen on me. 
Truth is, sometimes we know just

478
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:45,350
enough about the Bible to hurt 
people and we need to step back.

479
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:50,070
And we need to do our best to 
learn practical ways that we can

480
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:53,750
walk out our faith and live out 
our faith without hurting other 

481
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:58,110
people, because that hurt can be
profound. 

482
00:32:58,110 --> 00:33:02,990
I want to close with this. 
When I read a story in the 

483
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:06,990
Bible, it's not uncommon for me 
to want to identify with whoever

484
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:09,590
is the hero because I want to be
that person. 

485
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:12,470
I want to be the one who does 
the right thing. 

486
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,910
Isn't it interesting that so 
many of us tend to want to 

487
00:33:17,910 --> 00:33:22,430
identify with the hero in the 
story, but when it comes to our 

488
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:26,870
own intimate, personal 
relationship with Jesus, we have

489
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:30,150
to understand there's only one 
hero and it's never us. 

490
00:33:32,270 --> 00:33:36,750
Jesus is always the hero of the 
story, and the glory goes to 

491
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:38,870
him. 
Doesn't go to us, right? 

492
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:41,390
Well, maybe you're going well, 
you miss me on that one, Jerry, 

493
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:44,950
Because when I read a story in 
the Bible, I'd identify with the

494
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:45,790
victim. 
Okay. 

495
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:49,470
Maybe you identify with the 
victim because, you know, we 

496
00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:51,150
kind of live in a victim 
culture. 

497
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:56,070
And so, yeah, this because we're
not thinking about maybe being 

498
00:33:56,070 --> 00:33:58,030
the good guy. 
Maybe we're thinking about the 

499
00:33:58,030 --> 00:34:02,470
other person being the bad guy 
and me being recipient of that. 

500
00:34:03,650 --> 00:34:07,610
I'm not saying that those things
aren't valid, but when you try 

501
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:10,170
to identify with the victim of 
the story, you're doing the same

502
00:34:10,170 --> 00:34:12,330
thing that I'm doing if I 
identify with the hero, the 

503
00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:15,570
story, Because ultimately 
there's really only one victim, 

504
00:34:15,570 --> 00:34:19,530
and that's been victimized to 
this level, to to the highest 

505
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:22,130
level, and that's the same 
person as the hero, the story. 

506
00:34:23,489 --> 00:34:25,929
Has there ever been a greater 
victim than Jesus? 

507
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:30,290
Has there ever been someone 
treated more unfairly than 

508
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:34,870
Jesus? 
And so if you want to get up on 

509
00:34:34,870 --> 00:34:39,909
the pedestal for hero, maybe you
should step out. 

510
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:42,150
Maybe you step off. 
And if you want to get on the 

511
00:34:42,150 --> 00:34:45,110
pedestal for the victim, maybe 
you should step off. 

512
00:34:45,310 --> 00:34:48,630
And maybe all of us together 
need to look to the one place 

513
00:34:48,630 --> 00:34:55,030
where the truth is the one 
place, the one person who was 

514
00:34:55,030 --> 00:35:00,390
the hero of every story, and a 
person who was victorious, even.

515
00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:12,730
But this kind of victimization 
truth is we are a collection of 

516
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:18,610
victims and perpetrators. 
And to be honest, probably 

517
00:35:18,610 --> 00:35:21,250
everybody I'm talking to has 
been both at one time or 

518
00:35:21,250 --> 00:35:32,060
another, maybe even now. 
But Jesus is here, the ultimate 

519
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:37,420
victim and the ultimate hero, 
and he is here to heal the 

520
00:35:37,420 --> 00:35:42,860
victims and to turn the hearts 
of perpetrators back to him. 

521
00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:47,860
If we'll just lean into him 
today, this place was made to be

522
00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:55,220
a place of healing, a place of 
burdens, lightning, place of new

523
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:58,820
life and new perspective. 
A place where old is laid down 

524
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:04,370
and the new is freely and 
gratefully received. 

525
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:11,090
Let's be that place we're moving
to a time of decision. 

526
00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:23,130
Earlier this week, Allison and I
were at We sit at the dinner 

527
00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:27,770
table and we work there. 
And Abby, my youngest daughter, 

528
00:36:27,770 --> 00:36:32,890
came over with her. 
One was at preschool, the other 

529
00:36:32,890 --> 00:36:35,930
one is younger than that and 
brought the younger one. 

530
00:36:37,930 --> 00:36:40,330
And I'll tell you, these two 
kids of hers, I love these two 

531
00:36:40,330 --> 00:36:45,450
kids so much. 
They are all boy and they are 

532
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:51,210
like 2 Tasmanian devils. 
Like if there is something on a 

533
00:36:51,210 --> 00:36:56,370
shelf or there is something put 
away, that is totally a wrong 

534
00:36:56,370 --> 00:36:59,410
thing. 
It needs to be fully displayed 

535
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,600
on the floor for all to be able 
to see and maneuver around. 

536
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:11,240
Sometimes that irritates me. 
Doesn't really seem to bother my

537
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,360
daughter. 
She's a great mom with them. 

538
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:22,320
Doesn't seem to bother my wife. 
So we're sitting there and Abby 

539
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,880
and I are talking about some of 
the different struggles that 

540
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,600
we're dealing with, and she's 
sharing with me. 

541
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,720
She's being transparent. 
I'm trying to share with her and

542
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:32,520
being transparent. 
And she said something to me 

543
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,800
that kind of hit me. 
She goes, I'm such a 

544
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:44,320
perfectionist, but she really 
wasn't talking about how she 

545
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,120
viewed others. 
She was talking about how she 

546
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:55,500
viewed herself. 
And she always falls short of 

547
00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:58,100
what she feels like she ought to
be or ought to do. 

548
00:37:58,100 --> 00:37:59,980
I don't know if you guys connect
with that or not. 

549
00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:05,740
And I was trying to think of 
something I could say to 

550
00:38:05,740 --> 00:38:11,820
encourage her. 
And for some reason, she took 

551
00:38:11,820 --> 00:38:14,140
her eyes off of me while we're 
in this conversation. 

552
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:18,780
Maybe she heard something that 
her son was doing right next to 

553
00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:21,820
her on the other side with 
Allison, with him bouncing on 

554
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:27,940
the lap, watching train videos. 
And I saw that, and it occurred 

555
00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:33,820
to me, I go, Abby. 
I know that may be how you feel 

556
00:38:33,820 --> 00:38:37,820
and how you think, but you need 
to understand that when God 

557
00:38:37,820 --> 00:38:42,700
looks at you, it's just the same
as when you look at Avery. 

558
00:38:46,540 --> 00:38:54,610
That's what he sees. 
He sees you that way, and Avery 

559
00:38:54,610 --> 00:38:57,210
comes into this house and he 
makes all these messes. 

560
00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:01,210
It doesn't seem to bother you 
that much. 

561
00:39:01,730 --> 00:39:05,890
It certainly doesn't change the 
amount of love that God had that

562
00:39:05,890 --> 00:39:08,810
you have for Avery. 
And it doesn't seem to bother 

563
00:39:08,810 --> 00:39:12,130
Allison much. 
Doesn't really change that level

564
00:39:12,130 --> 00:39:15,450
of love there either. 
As a matter of fact, you have a 

565
00:39:15,450 --> 00:39:19,690
lot of grace for a kid who just 
turned 2. 

566
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:26,270
And if you know this scripture, 
and I know she knew this 

567
00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:30,150
scripture, if you then, being 
evil, know how to give good 

568
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:36,150
gifts to your kids, how much 
more will your Heavenly Father 

569
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:37,990
give the Holy Spirit to those 
who ask you? 

570
00:39:43,470 --> 00:39:47,470
Some of you are here right now, 
and you're trying to manage this

571
00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:51,390
stuff all by yourself. 
Trying to carry all your own 

572
00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:55,620
load, trying to be tough enough,
Pull yourself up by your own 

573
00:39:55,620 --> 00:40:02,420
bootstraps, Buck up when maybe 
you just need to be the little 

574
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:10,500
kid that runs to the parent and 
needs to feel the nurturing arms

575
00:40:10,500 --> 00:40:16,540
of a Heavenly Father. 
Encouraging and reassuring. 

576
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:20,500
That's what these steps are for 
today. 

577
00:40:21,350 --> 00:40:23,430
For you to just spend some time 
with the Lord. 

578
00:40:24,550 --> 00:40:26,350
To be reminded that he loves 
you. 

579
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:31,790
To be reminded how He sees you. 
And to be reminded that we've 

580
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:35,110
talked about a couple of weeks 
ago, that he has more grace than

581
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:40,390
you will ever require for you. 
Some of you are here today. 

582
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:43,310
You've never come into an 
intimate, personal relationship 

583
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,950
with God. 
You think you're so tough. 

584
00:40:46,430 --> 00:40:51,930
You think you're so strong. 
I want you to know right now 

585
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:58,610
that you are surrounded by a 
whole room of weaklings, and the

586
00:40:58,610 --> 00:41:01,810
guy you're listening to is one 
of the biggest weaklings of all.

587
00:41:09,410 --> 00:41:13,890
And you can let go of that 
today, and you can let the Lord 

588
00:41:14,690 --> 00:41:18,250
Jesus have his way in your life,
and it'll be messy. 

589
00:41:18,650 --> 00:41:22,280
But what do you think he expects
out of an infant? 

590
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,680
There's going to be somebody 
right over there by that 

591
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,440
baptistry that would love 
nothing more. 

592
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,360
And just to share with you some 
of what the next steps could be.

593
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:37,640
And you could leave this place 
today completely different than 

594
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,960
when you walked in. 
Here's an opportunity. 

595
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,120
Would you stand with me? 
Let's pray together. 

596
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,120
Let's give this moment to the 
Lord. 

597
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,700
In Jesus name, Heavenly Father, 
I pray take this moment. 

598
00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:56,460
It belongs to you anyway. 
But help it to belong to you as 

599
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:58,900
far as we're concerned, in our 
hearts. 

600
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:04,460
And if there are hearts right 
now that are struggling, I pray 

601
00:42:04,460 --> 00:42:09,380
Father that we would put down 
those defenses. 

602
00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:14,660
Be transparent before you and 
let you have your way in Jesus 

603
00:42:14,660 --> 00:42:16,580
name. 
Amen.

