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What up, Crossing Family? 
I'm so excited to welcome you 

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guys from all of our different 
locations and from wherever you 

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are joining us online or inside.
God bless you. 

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I'm so thankful that we get to 
partner together and expand 

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God's Kingdom together. 
I have a special announcement to

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make. 
You may remember back in 

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Thanksgiving of last year, we 
encouraged many of you to 

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participate with us and making 
an in your corner gift to help 

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us acquire our Jacksonville 
location. 

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And we have been meeting with 
title companies and attorneys 

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and we have been doing all the 
negotiation stuff. 

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And about two weeks ago, we were
finally able to ink the deal and

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we own our Jacksonville campus 
outright debt free because 

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there's so many of you guys 
going on the journey with you. 

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To those of you in Jacksonville,
I hope you know that there is 

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entire region of Christians who 
call the crossing home, who are 

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in your corner and are rooting 
for you to make Jacksonville one

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of the hardest places on planet 
earth to get to hell from. 

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And we hope that you will take 
that as this is a sign that 

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we're for you and we can't wait 
to see what God's going to do 

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through you today. 
We are in week two of our new 

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sermon series and you guys have 
been great. 

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You didn't clap, you didn't send
emails, and you've been 

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incredibly gentle and respectful
so far. 

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And I want you to keep that 
energy up as we step into this 

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second week. 
And I have brought in Caleb to 

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come and help us navigate this 
these next two weeks in the 

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sermon series. 
Caleb is a trusted counselor and

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guide to churches all across the
country to navigate these 

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waters. 
He's been down this river many 

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times and he has been more than 
generous to come and spend 2 

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weeks with us to help us learn 
how to do this well. 

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How to love God, how to love 
people, how to uphold scripture,

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and at the same time make sure 
that we are seeking and saving 

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the lost. 
He's not going to do this 

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because he's not the kind of guy
who would push it, but he has 

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written two incredible books. 
One is called Messy Grace and 

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the other one is called Messy 
Truth. 

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And if you are a Jesus follower,
you're a family member, you're a

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friend, you're a coworker of 
somebody who may be in this 

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situation. 
These would be go to resources 

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for you and you can take 
advantage of the QR code on the 

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seat in front of you from 
wherever you're joining and 

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it'll take you to the Amazon 
link for those books or you can 

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get them anywhere books are sold
and if you're not a reader you 

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can get them on Audible or 
however that is. 

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But would you please welcome to 
the and you can clap. 

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Would you please welcome to the 
Crossing our good friend Mr. 

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Caleb Kaltenbach. 
I can't wait. 

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You're going to do all thank. 
You so much. 

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All right. 
How are we doing today? 

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Good. 
All right. 

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Hey, I'm so glad to be with you.
And by the way, I love. 

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Pastor Clayton and Pastor Jerry,
who was here before him and just

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the team here. 
If you are looking for a church 

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or somebody invited you, I just 
want to let you know you are in 

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a great church. 
This is a church where you can 

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follow Jesus and people just 
wrap their arms around you no 

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matter who you are, no matter 
where you are in your walk. 

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So I hope that you'll keep on 
coming back and checking out 

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this church. 
I hope you also invite some 

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people with you next time you 
come. 

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So anyway, we're we're glad to 
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I'm going to start off telling 
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I'm originally from Columbia, 
MO, and Kansas City, home of the

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greatest football team in the 
NFL. 

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I I knew. 
I knew this church was saved. 

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There are several of us in 
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I live in Los Angeles now 
because my family and I enjoy 

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not having money and we enjoy 
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So that's why we live there I 
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But I will tell you this, many 
Chiefs fans are out there 

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because of Joe Montana. 
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him over to the Chiefs when he 
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haven't left because we have our
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quarterback anyway. 
Also, I'm married to my 

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beautiful wife. 
Her name is Amy and she is a muy

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caliente Latina and she goes to 
the gym every single day, has a 

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six pack. 
I think you can tell I enjoy 

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Netflix a lot. 
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We have my 14 year old daughter 
Rachel, my 16 year old son Joel.

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My son is 6 foot two. 
I asked my wife if we need to do

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a DNA swap. 
I said I'm not going to be mad, 

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I just need to know who's paying
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That's the biggest deal. 
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Cross, but we're talking about 
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So anyway, anyway, when we first
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kids immediately because we were
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We immediately wanted to have 
kids, and we tried and we tried.

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No matter what happened, we 
couldn't get pregnant and we 

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both kind of got destructive in 
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I became a workaholic and my 
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movies over and over again and I
just said we're going to get you

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pregnant one way or another 
because the the vampire 

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sparkling vampires have got to 
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Okay, no more. 
And we went to a fertility 

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clinic. 
We got pregnant with my son Joel

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in our first try and my daughter
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I love them equally. 
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Joel's birth when he when we 
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we were so excited. 
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We became the annoying couple 
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over because we monopolized 
conversations and talked about 

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our pregnancy. 
You know, it had been two or 

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three years of waiting, and we 
finally got pregnant and we lost

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friends because that's all we 
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And we said, who cares? 
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We'll be alive longer. 
And I couldn't wait to get to 

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the hospital because I had seen 
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I knew what to expect. 
I knew that when my child came 

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out, my son, he would be like 
there would be a light shining 

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down from heaven. 
Epic John Williams, Star Wars 

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music underneath, you know, He 
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grab my finger and with perfect 
pronunciation would say the word

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father. 
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We got to the hospital and 
everything was great until the 

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pain hit my wife and she became 
somebody I had not exchanged 

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bows with At that point. 
I tried to comfort her and put 

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my hand on her shoulder and she 
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glowing red. 
And she said, don't you touch me

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right now. 
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Blair, Emily Rose, whatever your
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I don't know if we need drugs or
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So we tried the drugs and she 
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others at that point. 
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son to come into the world and 
the doctor comes in and what 

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looks like a hazmat outfit and a
welding mask and they put tarp 

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everywhere. 
And I'm like, is something 

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getting ready to explode? 
Because I've got, I'm not 

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covered anywhere. 
And then when my son came into 

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the world, I remember my 
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how it felt. 
My expression went from this to.

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I was like, You sure you 
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some more? 
I mean, I think he's got some 

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more time left in the oven. 
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He was a color that Crayola had 
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Ever. 
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He made the most awful noises 
I've ever heard when he came out

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and stuff was coming out of his 
mouth and like he smelled funny,

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his head wouldn't, like, stand 
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And they wrap it in a blanket 
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They said, what do you think? 
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you'll find out real quick. 
I have a DHD and I really don't 

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have much of A filter sometimes.
And in that moment I just looked

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at him in my first words when I 
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looks like a turtle. 
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like, this is what we produced 
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This my daughter came out, she 
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ladybug. 
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would have said. 
Man, it was messy. 

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And some of you have been there 
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Some of you'll be there in the 
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Good luck. 
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that in that moment, I don't 
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I just love my kid. 
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And and I still love my 
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Trust me, my children have done 
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Listen, OK, They have taken my 
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They've gotten me sick. 
They brought home the stomach 

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flu. 
Before children I used to look 

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like Zac Efron and then I had 
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And now I look like this right 
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I will probably die two years 
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OK? 
They they have not added to my 

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life in that way. 
But at the same time, I cannot 

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imagine my life without them. 
So they've done nothing that 

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they did to earn my love, but 
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And I just want to let you know 
today, whether you know it or 

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not, that's exactly how God 
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There's nothing that you can do 
to earn his love our best 

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efforts. 
Are but stained gifts that we 

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offer him. 
But yet God looks at you. 

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And when other people say they 
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label you, they push you to the 
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God takes you out of the corner.
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He doesn't pay attention to the 
definitions and he says that's 

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my child and he keeps pursuing 
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Now that's really good news for 
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I don't know about you. 
I just don't know how God can 

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love some of the other people in
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You you know exactly who I'm 
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You know the people that you 
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you see them coming, You're 
like, goodnight, and you walk 

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around the long way to go to the
bathroom, you see them at school

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and you're like, oh, I'm going 
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even though I'm not you. 
You like, you're at the gym. 

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They want to talk to you. 
You pretend like you can't hear 

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them. 
These are the people. 

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And I'm not talking about the 
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I'm talking about the people 
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candidate we voted for. 
I'm talking about the people. 

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They're in different 
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I'm talking about the people 
that have different ideals that 

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work in different jobs that 
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there, that are in situations 
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we would be in. 
And yet, here's the thing. 

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God loves messy people. 
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of messy are ME, me. 
I got to admit that I'm messy. 

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And that God loves messy people 
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And God loves messy people not 
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And so that's really what I 
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I want to talk to you about 
messy Grace. 

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And some of you like Caleb. 
The Lord's grace does not messy.

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I get that. 
Give me some room here and I'll 

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explain it later on. 
But I want to talk to you about 

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messy Grace. 
The next week I'm going to talk 

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to you about messy truth. 
OK, So to kind of help you and I

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navigate this, how do we love 
people that we don't agree with?

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How do we love people? 
That make relational decisions 

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we would never make. 
What does that look like? 

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How if you have your Bibles 
through your mobile devices, you

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can turn to John Chapter 8. 
In just a moment I'm going to 

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have the words on the screen for
you and if you don't have your 

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bibles, that's fine, you can 
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Now just to set the scene, Jesus
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Jesus is in the temple courts, 
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the temple in Jerusalem and he's
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Whole bunch of people are around
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And an extraordinary thing 
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Like, I think if Jesus were 
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own reality TV show. 
There's never a normal thing 

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that happens to Jesus. 
And so this is one of these 

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Take a look at John chapter 8, 

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of verse six. 
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temple courts, where all the 
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he sat down to teach them. 
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Pharisees brought in a woman 
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They made her stand before the 
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teacher, this woman was caught 
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law. 
Moses commanded us to stone such

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women. 
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Just going to read the beginning
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They were using this question as
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for accusing him. 
And so you have the Pharisees 

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and the teachers of the law. 
The Pharisees were like the 

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celebrity pastors of the day. 
You'd be reading their books, 

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listen to their podcasts. 
They'd be speaking at 

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conferences. 
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some 6000 Pharisees. 
They're roaming around the land 

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of Judea. 
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of the law. 
And and these people have like 7

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doctorates, and they don't have 
a life. 

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They're 90 years old, still 
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living in the basement. 
That's who these people are, OK?

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And they hate Jesus. 
Because the Pharisees, while 

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they came from good origins and 
they started out trying to 

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protect God's word, they have 
started trying to manipulate 

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people to their point of view 
and become controlling. 

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And they use fear to control 
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And then here comes Jesus and he
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conviction and compassion. 
He offers principle and he 

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offers love. 
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go follow him. 
So they're always trying to 

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catch Jesus. 
And so this is their latest 

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ploy. 
They find this woman who is 

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caught in the act of adultery. 
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It says they caught her in the 
act, In, in, in the act. 

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You're like, how I'm like, I 
don't know, they're creepers, 

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right? 
So they catch her in the act, 

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They take her out, they drag her
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They put her at the feet of 
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What do you say? 
Now here's the interesting 

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thing. 
They think they have Jesus in a 

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catch 22 because if Jesus says 
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but he will lose faith with the 
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But if he says don't stone her, 
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people, but he's breaking the 
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And if you're not used to 
reading the Gospels, let me just

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clue you in on something that 
you may or may not know. 

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Never ever try to checkmate 
Jesus. 

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It really doesn't go well. 
And what's interesting is the 

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fair season. 
The teachers law are so worried 

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about keeping the law that they 
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broken it. 
They don't have witnesses to 

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corroborate what she did. 
They don't even have, like, a 

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trial. 
The law says you have to go 

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through a trial. 
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where's the dude? 
I guess that doesn't matter, 

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right? 
You see, it makes me mad when it

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says they're using this question
as a trap in order to have a 

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basis for accusing him. 
They don't care about her. 

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They are using her as much as 
the man who's having an affair 

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with her was using her. 
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Jesus, I think you'd have to 
admit that's messed up right 

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now. 
I don't know what your response 

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would be. 
Some of you are emotionally 

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reactive. 
You'd start yelling and 

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everybody would be a casualty. 
Some of you would blow up. 

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Some of you would internalize 
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But Jesus, he does something 
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And some of you are like Caleb. 
Don't call what Jesus does 

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weird. 
I'm not saying it was creepy bad

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strange. 
It's awkward. 

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It's probably something you 
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Look at the rest of verse 6. 
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to ride on the ground with his 
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That's an awkward response. 
Now some of you are not 

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realizing this because you've 
read this book, this story, for 

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a long time. 
Some of you have been Christians

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since God was a boy, Okay. 
I mean, that's how long. 

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And you're familiar with this. 
When was the last time you were 

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in an argument and you said, 
hold on, I tried it with my 

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wife. 
We were in an argument last week

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and I started, I got on the 
ground, started riding on the 

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ground. 
She's like, what are you doing? 

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I said, acting like, Jesus, I 
figured one of us should. 

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I did not say that. 
You know how I? 

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You know that? 
I didn't say that because I'm 

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alive. 
The fiery wrath of Latina. 

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I'm not going to deal with that.
No, no, no. 

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I'm just like yes, ma'am, yes, 
me, esposa Bonita. 

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And so a lot of people try to 
figure out what in the world was

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Jesus riding on the ground. 
Was he riding down the sins of 

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the people in the crowd was he 
writing down versus the 

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scripture? 
I I found this really 

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interesting verse. 
See if you can make the 

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connection. 
Jeremiah 1713. 

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It's in the Old Testament. 
Lord, you're the hope of Israel.

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All who forsake you will be put 
to shame. 

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And those who turn away from you
will be written in the dust. 

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And in the Hebrew, this word for
dust could mean sand, dirt, mud,

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ground. 
Why? 

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Because they have forsaken the 
Lord, the spring of living 

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water. 
And if I were a betting person, 

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I bet Jesus was writing down the
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teachers of the law in the 
ground. 

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That's just a guess because we 
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sense. 
Because he was living out 

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literally what this says. 
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them, You think that you are so 
close with God because you're 

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keeping the letter of the law, 
but you're further away than 

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this woman is. 
Hear me out. 

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Quick tangent. 
I think it's okay if we do a 

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tangent in here, but let's find 
out. 

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Clayton will let me know 
afterwards. 

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Here's the deal. 
God doesn't care how much you 

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know. 
If you don't have any compassion

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to show, God could give a rip 
how much you have. 

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The Bible memorized. 
If you don't have any compassion

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because you can have correct 
doctrine, but be a complete 

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heretic in how you treat people 
and live out your theology and 

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God's like, that's a clinging 
symbol in my ear. 

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You're like Caleb. 
I don't like that. 

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Well, blame Paul. 
He said it, not me. 

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Don't get mad at me. 
Just get mad at Paul. 

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He's dead, not me. 
Just leave me alone. 

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Let's go back to John. 
Chapter 8, verse 8. 

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Because they don't get it. 
Verse seven, I mean when they 

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kept questioning him, Jesus 
straighten up and said to them 

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let anyone of you who's without 
sin be the first to throw a 

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stone at her. 
And again he stooped down he 

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rolling ground. 
Now I think this is brilliant 

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because Jesus knew after that 
challenge they would not throw a

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stone because back then they 
believed what I believe what 

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your church leadership believes,
that God is the only sinless 

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being in existence. 
And so if the Pharisees picked 

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up a stone and threw it. 
They would be claiming to not 

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have sin, and that's like a big 
deal. 

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That's called lying. 
And out of the 613 commands in 

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the Old Testament, God put lying
in the top ten. 

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You know why? 
Because lying breaks the 

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relationship, right? 
Lying at least harms the 

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relationship. 
But there's another reason why 

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Jesus knew they wouldn't throw a
stone. 

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Because if they picked up a 
stone claiming to be sinless and

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they threw the stone at her, 
that very stone would be used to

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throw right back at them and 
kill them. 

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Because if the only sinless 
being in existence is God, and 

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they're claiming to be sinless, 
they're claiming to be God, and 

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all their friends would know 
that they've sinned. 

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And like, that's automatic death
penalty. 

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But you may not believe in Jesus
yet, but you got to admit he's 

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got mad skills. 
You do not want to get in an 

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argument with Jesus and I love. 
Look at this verse nine. 

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I love verse nine. 
It's almost comical at this. 

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Those who heard began to go away
one at a time. 

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The older ones first. 
I love that until only Jesus was

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left with the woman still 
standing there. 

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Jesus straightened up, and I can
see Jesus kind of hamming it up 

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a little bit, saying woman. 
Where are they? 

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And by the way, that's that's a 
complimentary term. 

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There are some people who are 
like, why do you call her woman?

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It's not. 
No, no, it's 1st century. 

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It's not like woman. 
No, he's saying ma'am. 

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That's another way of saying 
ma'am, he's being ultra 

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respectful to somebody that had 
no respect that day. 

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Ma'am, where are they? 
Has no one condemned you? 

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No one, Sir, she said. 
Then neither do I condemn you. 

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I love that. 
Aren't some of you glad that 

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Jesus said that? 
Neither do I condemn you, but go

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and leave your life upset. 
You see a big part of of this 

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series that Pastor Clayton's 
doing that he's going to talk 

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about is really how do you 
handle faith and love, grace and

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truth, compassion and 
conviction. 

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And he's got a great sermon he's
going to do in a couple weeks on

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that. 
And so today I want to talk 

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about the grace side of things. 
Messy grace and somebody like 

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God, Caleb. 
God's grace isn't messy. 

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No, it's not. 
But it feels messy. 

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When we're supposed to love 
people, they're doing things 

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that we don't like and we don't 
agree with that help hold views 

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that we don't like, that we 
don't agree with. 

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And so here's the principle I 
want you to get from this story 

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right here. 
Grace is for everyone, and that 

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includes anyone. 
I feel like we're not all on the

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same page. 
OK, so I'm. 

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We're going to do this together.
You're going to help me say this

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because some of you are looking 
like a deer before it gets hit 

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by a car glazed over. 
Are you serious? 

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I have to love people I don't 
like. 

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Yeah, I know it's hard. 
God didn't say you have to like 

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him. 
He said you have to love him. 

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OK. 
Grace is for not everyone said 

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that. 
We're going to try again. 

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Grace is for and that includes. 
And then I added this. 

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Dot, dot, dot, even the any ones
that we don't like, understand, 

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or agree with. 
So here's the thing. 

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One of my favorite verses is in 
Romans 5. 

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While we were yet sinners, 
Christ died for us. 

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Christ pursued us before we even
liked him. 

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Jesus died for us before we were
even born. 

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God was pursuing us when we were
indifferent about him. 

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I'm just telling you, grace is 
for everyone, and that includes 

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anyone. 
What does that look like? 

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What does that look like? 
When you believe that in your 

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life, usually you come up to 
this feeling like grace is 

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messy, even though it's not 
because of the emotional 

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attachments you have in the 
relationships in your life. 

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So let me tell you, for a lot of
my life who that was for me. 

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My It was my mom and dad. 
You see, my parents used to be 

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professors at the University of 
Missouri, Columbia, and at 

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Stevens College. 
And when I was two years old 

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they divorced and both of my 
parents went into same sex 

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relationships. 
My dad had a lot of friends. 

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He was never in a monogamous 
relationship, but my mom was in 

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a 22 year relationship with a 
woman named Vera and they were 

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activists and they moved to 
Kansas City and I went back and 

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forth on I-70 between Kansas 
City and Missouri and I was just

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raised in the L GB TQ community.
I grew up preschool, elementary 

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age, middle school, going with 
my parents to pride parades, 

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bars, clubs, Hangouts, camping 
camp outs, all that kind of 

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stuff. 
And here's what I learned from 

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my mom over and over again. 
OK, Christians will not like you

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if you are not like them. 
That's what I learned. 

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Christians hate gay people is 
another thing I learned. 

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I saw it time and time again. 
I I was in pride parades, seeing

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people holding up signs who 
claim to be Christians saying 

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God hates you, turn or burn. 
And if that wasn't bad enough, 

451
00:23:25,790 --> 00:23:28,470
when people from my mom's parade
would go try to talk to them, 

452
00:23:28,590 --> 00:23:31,030
these socalled Christians would 
spray them with water and urine,

453
00:23:31,030 --> 00:23:32,390
saying this is what God thinks 
of you. 

454
00:23:34,590 --> 00:23:39,110
That made an impression. 
I saw family members ignore 

455
00:23:39,950 --> 00:23:44,590
their young sons who are dying 
of AIDS at the start of the AIDS

456
00:23:44,590 --> 00:23:50,390
epidemic in the 1980s. 
I saw them not go to the 

457
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:52,310
hospital because they're taking 
a moral stand. 

458
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:55,110
There was a difference between 
taking a moral stand and being a

459
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:58,660
moron. 
I saw families who would go 

460
00:23:58,660 --> 00:24:01,540
visit their young sons. 
My mom and her partner would go 

461
00:24:01,540 --> 00:24:04,940
say goodbye to these young men 
who are in their community, and 

462
00:24:04,940 --> 00:24:07,500
their family would be pressed up
against the wall like they're 

463
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:10,780
waiting for a firing squad. 
So I got the message real clear 

464
00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:14,740
Christians hate gay people. 
If you are not like them, they 

465
00:24:14,740 --> 00:24:17,260
will not like you. 
And by the time I got to high 

466
00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:19,340
school, my life was just out of 
whack. 

467
00:24:19,340 --> 00:24:22,580
I was sneaking out, partying it 
up, getting drunk, all that kind

468
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,660
of stuff. 
And then when I was a sophomore 

469
00:24:24,660 --> 00:24:28,350
in high school in the 10th 
grade, I got invited by another 

470
00:24:28,350 --> 00:24:31,470
high schooler to his Bible study
that he was putting on at his 

471
00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:34,710
house for other high schoolers. 
And I thought, this is going to 

472
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:36,350
be perfect. 
I'm going to go and I'm going to

473
00:24:36,350 --> 00:24:39,630
be a pretend Christian, and I'm 
going to learn about their faith

474
00:24:39,630 --> 00:24:42,750
and I'm going to discredit it 
and move on the next Bible 

475
00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:43,830
study. 
And you could tell that worked 

476
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:45,230
out real well. 
That was a great plan. 

477
00:24:47,030 --> 00:24:51,630
And so I went and the way that 
I'm going to describe their 

478
00:24:51,630 --> 00:24:53,950
house, if this describes your 
house, please don't take any 

479
00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:55,700
offense. 
As long as you don't have a 

480
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:57,460
posters of Nickelback in your 
house. 

481
00:24:57,740 --> 00:25:00,620
I think you're good. 
That band's awful. 

482
00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:02,700
Don't ever put up a poster of 
that band. 

483
00:25:02,860 --> 00:25:07,140
But however you want to have 
you, you have Christian stuff up

484
00:25:07,140 --> 00:25:07,860
on your wall. 
Good. 

485
00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:10,580
Me too. 
But as an unchurched, 

486
00:25:10,740 --> 00:25:13,660
unbelieving 16 year old, I had 
never stepped foot in a 

487
00:25:13,660 --> 00:25:16,380
Christian household, much less a
Catholic household. 

488
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:19,860
And when I walked in to this 
house, it looked like they had 

489
00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:25,480
raided a Bible bookstore. 
Like they had Christian breath 

490
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,920
mints. 
Did you guys know we have our 

491
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,080
own breath mints? 
Did you know that? 

492
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Anybody tell you that they're 
called testaments? 

493
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Yeah, right there. 
And I'm not joking either. 

494
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,960
Tell me you're like, huh, huh. 
Don't Google it right now. 

495
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,520
Ask afterwards. 
Person next to you will tell you

496
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
okay. 
And don't try them unless you 

497
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,240
want to see what cyanide and 
spearmint taste like together. 

498
00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:50,860
Then they had the Christian 
bookstore like art on the wall, 

499
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:52,460
the frame pictures. 
You know what I'm talking about?

500
00:25:52,460 --> 00:25:57,140
Like I'd never seen a house 
before where somebody had a 

501
00:25:57,140 --> 00:26:02,060
frame picture of a sheep on the 
wall that they didn't own would 

502
00:26:02,060 --> 00:26:04,260
maybe like a Bible verse. 
I'm like, this is strange. 

503
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:08,820
And then they had a picture of a
lion with a cobra and a kid, 

504
00:26:09,700 --> 00:26:11,380
little shepherd kid with a Bible
verse. 

505
00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:13,700
And I'm like, are we going to 
sacrifice a chicken tonight? 

506
00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:16,970
This is these people have framed
pictures of animals they don't 

507
00:26:16,970 --> 00:26:20,370
own on the wall. 
And then my friend comes up from

508
00:26:20,370 --> 00:26:22,770
the basement and says, ah, 
you're here. 

509
00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:24,850
We've circled up. 
Won't you follow me downstairs? 

510
00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:26,770
And I'm like, well, this is the 
beginning of a horror movie. 

511
00:26:30,890 --> 00:26:32,490
So I went downstairs to the 
basement. 

512
00:26:33,370 --> 00:26:35,330
Everybody's reading from First 
Corinthians. 

513
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:38,290
I can't find it because I didn't
know God put a table of contents

514
00:26:38,530 --> 00:26:40,810
in there. 
And I read a verse from First 

515
00:26:40,810 --> 00:26:49,020
Chronicles about some dude 
getting impaled, and they're 

516
00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:52,860
like, where are you? 
And I said, well, I'm in First 

517
00:26:52,860 --> 00:26:54,060
Chronicles. 
They're like, you're in the Old 

518
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:56,060
Testament. 
I'm like, is there a new one? 

519
00:26:57,620 --> 00:26:59,500
Like, I didn't know. 
We had it updated 2.0. 

520
00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:03,060
And so I was really embarrassed,
but I really, I started going 

521
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,780
back to this Bible study again 
and again. 

522
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,970
And then I started going to 
another Bible study by that was 

523
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:11,850
led at the University of 
Missouri, Columbia, by a guy let

524
00:27:11,850 --> 00:27:14,610
it named Roy Weiss. 
I went to his Bible study over 

525
00:27:14,610 --> 00:27:17,570
and over and over again. 
And I'm just telling you that I 

526
00:27:17,930 --> 00:27:21,810
could not get enough because I 
realized Jesus was not like the 

527
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:23,690
people on the street corners, 
that he had very deep 

528
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:26,570
theological convictions. 
He had very real expectations 

529
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:29,250
about how we should pursue 
holiness and live and treat 

530
00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:32,010
other people. 
But he also had very real, 

531
00:27:32,050 --> 00:27:35,510
personal, authentic 
relationships with people that 

532
00:27:35,510 --> 00:27:37,470
the religious elite of the day 
would have nothing to do with, 

533
00:27:37,470 --> 00:27:41,430
people that were pushed to the 
side, people that were deemed to

534
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:44,830
be unclean. 
And I was like, man, I love 

535
00:27:44,910 --> 00:27:46,270
Jesus. 
I don't want the sheep picture, 

536
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:49,510
but I love him. 
So I started studying what the 

537
00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:52,710
Bible had to say about 
homosexuality and sexuality and 

538
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:55,150
marriage and intimacy. 
And I came to two conclusions I 

539
00:27:55,150 --> 00:27:57,670
still hold today. 
Number one, I believe that God 

540
00:27:57,670 --> 00:28:00,670
designed sex to be expressed in 
a marriage between a male and 

541
00:28:00,710 --> 00:28:03,070
female, and any kind of 
expression outside of that 

542
00:28:03,070 --> 00:28:06,750
design is a sin. 
But I also believe that our 

543
00:28:06,750 --> 00:28:09,630
theological convictions are 
never catalyst to devalue 

544
00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:14,710
another human being, that our 
biblical beliefs can never be 

545
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:18,310
weaponized to intentionally harm
other people. 

546
00:28:20,670 --> 00:28:24,550
And so I I just kept on learning
and one morning I woke up and I 

547
00:28:24,550 --> 00:28:26,630
called my friend Greg. 
I've been going to his dad's 

548
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:28,670
church on for youth group Sunday
evening. 

549
00:28:29,790 --> 00:28:31,590
I said, Greg, I think I've 
turned Christian. 

550
00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:34,730
What do we do? 
He said. 

551
00:28:34,730 --> 00:28:37,090
Well, let's go to the Chinese 
buffet and then I'll baptize 

552
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:43,370
you. 
And I think that was an Acts 238

553
00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:46,050
1/2. 
And so we did that. 

554
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:51,010
And I was really nervous to tell
my parents because I become a 

555
00:28:51,010 --> 00:28:53,810
Christian. 
I eventually felt like I wanted 

556
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:56,410
to be a pastor and I changed my 
view on sexuality. 

557
00:28:56,410 --> 00:29:00,010
And I had to, as a 16 year old, 
come out to my 3 gay parents as 

558
00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:03,660
a Christian. 
And they both kicked me out of 

559
00:29:03,660 --> 00:29:08,220
their houses for a while. 
And so when I do talk to a lot 

560
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:12,180
of L, GB, TQ students or young 
adults, they're like, well, I 

561
00:29:12,180 --> 00:29:15,460
thought only like Christian 
parents did that. 

562
00:29:15,460 --> 00:29:21,740
I said no human beings do that. 
Human beings fear just like 

563
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:24,260
that. 
As a matter of fact, when we 

564
00:29:24,260 --> 00:29:27,980
think about how do we live out 
this idea of graces for 

565
00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:31,460
everyone, that includes anyone. 
It starts with this principle 

566
00:29:31,460 --> 00:29:34,630
right here. 
Don't allow the fear of some to 

567
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:39,870
determine the value of many. 
Don't allow fear from some 

568
00:29:39,870 --> 00:29:44,110
people to determine the value of
many people. 

569
00:29:44,510 --> 00:29:47,470
Now, first of all, I want to say
there are some people out there.

570
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:50,270
Some leadership gurus will say, 
you know, fear. 

571
00:29:50,430 --> 00:29:52,590
You know, that's a that's a bad 
thing. 

572
00:29:52,670 --> 00:29:54,190
Those people are morons. 
No, it's not. 

573
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:57,070
Fear is not a bad thing. 
God gave you the potential to 

574
00:29:57,070 --> 00:30:00,110
feel fear for a reason. 
Let's say that we're hiking. 

575
00:30:00,110 --> 00:30:02,150
I think you again, You can tell 
I don't hike. 

576
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:07,350
OKI don't I? 
If if I'm running, you need to 

577
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:10,190
run because whatever's behind me
is really bad. 

578
00:30:10,750 --> 00:30:13,190
But you'll probably be laughing 
at the fact that I'm running. 

579
00:30:13,470 --> 00:30:15,470
You'll be like, well, that's the
most adorable thing I've ever 

580
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:20,710
seen. 
Like, God, if if we're hiking 

581
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:24,350
and you see a rattlesnake, are 
you going to be like, well, I'm 

582
00:30:24,350 --> 00:30:27,670
going to name her Betsy and I'm 
going to love her. 

583
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:32,820
And no, no, not too long ago, 
just two houses down. 

584
00:30:32,820 --> 00:30:37,900
My neighbor woke up at 2:00 AM 
because his siding, last door 

585
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:40,740
was rattling. 
Somebody's trying to get in. 

586
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,540
Turns on the light. 
There's a mountain line in his 

587
00:30:43,540 --> 00:30:48,300
backyard. 
He had a gun, Handgun. 

588
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:50,380
He like it scared him. 
He fell back. 

589
00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:52,940
It went off. 
Didn't shoot anybody. 

590
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:57,060
Scared everybody in the house. 
So I'm. 

591
00:30:57,060 --> 00:30:59,260
I'm just telling you, God gave 
you fear to know. 

592
00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:02,800
Oh, oh, trigger warning. 
You see, But there's such a 

593
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400
thing as toxic fear. 
That's why people win elections 

594
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,880
today. 
If you get people to be afraid, 

595
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,320
you can control them. 
And you see that some of us in 

596
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080
this room, we live in fear. 
Here's some free advice. 

597
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680
You don't need to tide for it. 
I think I can say that. 

598
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,920
OK, hear me out on this. 
OK. 

599
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,640
If you want to be less fearful, 
turn off CNN. 

600
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,800
Turn off Fox News. 
I did. 

601
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,070
It's wonderful if something 
happens. 

602
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:33,310
People text you. 
They really do. 

603
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:37,190
You always have those friends. 
They'll text you Okay. 

604
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:40,630
We had a hurricane and an 
earthquake in the same day in 

605
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:44,590
Socal. 
A Hurricwake night before. 

606
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:46,070
People like the Hurricanes 
coming. 

607
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:48,110
I'm like, great. 
I don't know what to do, so I'm 

608
00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:49,430
just going to keep doing what 
I'm doing. 

609
00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:54,550
It's fantastic. 
You see, I used to be frustrated

610
00:31:54,550 --> 00:31:56,310
all the time because I watch the
news too much. 

611
00:31:56,870 --> 00:32:00,460
Okay, I turned off the news. 
I'm not frustrated anymore. 

612
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,740
Now I watch Unsolved Mysteries 
and I'm scared all the time. 

613
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:12,060
So I'm just telling you that my 
parents exhibited that same kind

614
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:14,460
of fear because we naturally 
fear what we don't understand, 

615
00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:17,780
what we can't control. 
But the opposite of fear is not 

616
00:32:17,780 --> 00:32:21,140
courage. 
Fear necessitates leadership. 

617
00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:22,500
That's why we always have 
leadership. 

618
00:32:22,660 --> 00:32:27,820
The opposite of fear is empathy,
leaning in because we follow the

619
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:32,580
one that it has all power and 
knows everything, and that 

620
00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:35,460
enables us to engage any 
situation. 

621
00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:39,500
So the first thing we got to do 
never allow the fear from some 

622
00:32:39,500 --> 00:32:41,420
people to determine the value of
many people. 

623
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:42,700
I got to go through this real 
quick. 

624
00:32:42,900 --> 00:32:44,780
The second thing, here's what 
I'm telling you to do. 

625
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:47,220
Think deeper about people, not 
differently about theology. 

626
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:51,380
I'm not telling you that you 
need to change your orthodox 

627
00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:53,820
beliefs on marriage, intimacy, 
relationships. 

628
00:32:55,180 --> 00:32:57,920
Okay. 
I'm telling you that if you have

629
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,800
a biblical, grounded, orthodox 
view on that, keep your view on 

630
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,640
the historic judeo-christian 
marriage. 

631
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,120
But I'm telling you, think 
deeper about people because 

632
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
nobody is shallow. 
Everybody is deep, and everybody

633
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,040
is a conglomeration of their 
hopes and their dreams and 

634
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
everything else and their 
failures and their pains and 

635
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
their upbringing. 
And so eventually my parents let

636
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,040
me back in. 
Then I went to Bible College in 

637
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,680
southern Missouri, the Mecca of 
Christianity. 

638
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:27,770
Joplin, MO. 
Anybody ever been there before? 

639
00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:28,850
Yeah. 
Don't. 

640
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:31,330
If you haven't, don't go for 
very long. 

641
00:33:31,850 --> 00:33:34,090
You know how most family trees 
branch out down there? 

642
00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:36,730
It's just one straight line. 
It just goes up like that. 

643
00:33:37,570 --> 00:33:40,530
And I preached at this one 
church when I was in Bible 

644
00:33:40,530 --> 00:33:43,370
college for 18 months. 
We were the largest church 

645
00:33:43,370 --> 00:33:45,770
statistically, the largest 
church per capita in the world 

646
00:33:45,770 --> 00:33:49,450
at that time. 50 people in the 
town, 25 of them went to our 

647
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:50,730
church. 
Boom. 

648
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:54,130
Largest church in the world per 
capita at that time. 

649
00:33:55,050 --> 00:33:58,970
And for 18 months I preached 
there the Sunday before my last 

650
00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:01,010
Sunday, which I didn't know I 
was going to have a last Sunday.

651
00:34:01,010 --> 00:34:02,930
But the Sunday before my last 
Sunday, I brought my mom to 

652
00:34:02,930 --> 00:34:07,290
church and she like, you know, 
thought the worship was awful. 

653
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:10,929
And it it was and somebody like,
no, it was beautiful to God. 

654
00:34:11,010 --> 00:34:12,570
I'm not talking from his 
perspective. 

655
00:34:13,570 --> 00:34:17,250
I'm sure it was great for him, 
not for me, not for you either 

656
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:18,650
kid with us. 
Not right. 

657
00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:19,690
No. 
But it's honest. 

658
00:34:19,929 --> 00:34:22,370
Okay. 
And so the next Sunday, she 

659
00:34:22,370 --> 00:34:23,850
didn't show up. 
But there were two elders 

660
00:34:23,850 --> 00:34:26,810
waiting for me on the doorstep 
and they said, hey, Caleb, we 

661
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:28,090
need to talk to you before you 
preach. 

662
00:34:28,409 --> 00:34:30,530
If you want to keep preaching 
here, don't you ever bring 

663
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:35,130
somebody like your mother again.
We don't like those people. 

664
00:34:35,489 --> 00:34:38,889
And I said, well, I I think 
funny thing is, I don't like you

665
00:34:38,889 --> 00:34:39,929
now. 
So I quit. 

666
00:34:41,250 --> 00:34:43,810
Like, right now I quit. 
Like you can't quit. 

667
00:34:43,810 --> 00:34:45,969
You got to preach. 
I said, oh, you don't want that.

668
00:34:47,850 --> 00:34:49,850
You really don't? 
No. 

669
00:34:49,850 --> 00:34:52,239
We need a sermon. 
And so, like, there's a song 

670
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,320
when I was growing up by Bon 
Jovi is pretty popular Blaze of 

671
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Glory that if you're going to go
out, you know I'd written a 

672
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,520
sermon on fasting. 
Who cares about it, Ripped it up

673
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,520
and threw it away. 
And I got up there and I 

674
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,040
preached the sermon on grace and
truth. 

675
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,240
And I walked out and I said, 
God, if you ever allow me to be 

676
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,160
in the church, I want to be in 
the church filled with messy, 

677
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,280
broken people, People who are 
following Jesus, people who 

678
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,040
aren't. 
People who have been in 

679
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,240
addictions, people have been 
divorced something times married

680
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:22,720
something times. 
People who are their life were 

681
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:24,240
falling apart. 
People who are wealthy. 

682
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,640
People have no money, people are
in gangs, people are in this and

683
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,160
that. 
People who just don't know what 

684
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,600
they're going to do with their 
life because people that is what

685
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,520
the church is it. 
It's a beautiful mosaic that God

686
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,520
is united together a broken 
lives, a glorify him. 

687
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:46,480
You see, I do not believe for a 
second that Jesus came and died 

688
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,760
for a place masquerading as a 
church. 

689
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,120
But it's really a fair sea 
factory. 

690
00:35:52,030 --> 00:35:54,230
And there's a reason why some 
lamp stands are removed. 

691
00:35:56,910 --> 00:36:01,990
And so the last principle that I
want you to understand of how we

692
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:04,150
live out this idea that graces 
for everyone, that includes 

693
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:07,470
anyone, is this. 
Acceptance is commanded, but 

694
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:10,310
agreement is optional. 
You are commanded by God to 

695
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:13,070
accept people. 
You are not commanded to agree. 

696
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:15,510
Some of you're like, what do you
mean by accept, Caleb? 

697
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:19,390
I mean that you love somebody 
for who they are and where they 

698
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:22,650
are in the moment, no matter 
what. 

699
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:25,490
But that does not mean you agree
with every decision they've 

700
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:29,850
made, their relationships, where
they work, their political 

701
00:36:29,850 --> 00:36:32,650
views, their opinions. 
You don't have to agree. 

702
00:36:33,050 --> 00:36:36,130
You do have to love them. 
And if you're not a Christian, I

703
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:37,810
don't know if this is in the 
script or not. 

704
00:36:37,970 --> 00:36:40,930
Clayton, let's find out. 
This might be a good reason not 

705
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:44,570
to be a Christian, because when 
you follow Jesus, you give up 

706
00:36:44,570 --> 00:36:47,850
your rights to be indifferent. 
You give up your rights to be 

707
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:51,140
bitter and unforgiving. 
You give up your rights to treat

708
00:36:51,140 --> 00:36:53,620
people poorly. 
You don't get those rights when 

709
00:36:53,620 --> 00:36:56,940
you follow Jesus. 
There's a big difference between

710
00:36:56,940 --> 00:36:59,700
acceptance and agreement, 
acceptance and affirmation, 

711
00:36:59,700 --> 00:37:03,620
acceptance and approval. 
And so I moved to Southern 

712
00:37:03,620 --> 00:37:08,340
California in 1999, back when it
was popular to do so and got 

713
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:12,780
married like my wife. 
She's a lucky lady, I told her. 

714
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:15,420
I said, do you ever know God 
would bless you so much? 

715
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:17,940
I mean, in your wildest 
imagination, did you ever know 

716
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:22,030
to your knight in shining armor 
look like a cross between Grew 

717
00:37:22,030 --> 00:37:31,070
Uncle Pester and Doctor Evil? 
Here, I said, this is your eye 

718
00:37:31,070 --> 00:37:35,950
candy you wake up to every 
morning, she looks at me and she

719
00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:42,110
goes, yay, that you better hope 
nothing happens to me, because 

720
00:37:42,110 --> 00:37:44,150
husband #2 is not going to look 
like this. 

721
00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:50,040
You can tell a lot of our 
relationship is built on 

722
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,760
laughter here. 
And so we moved to Dallas, TX 

723
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,520
for 3 1/2 years because 
everybody's got to live in 

724
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,280
purgatory at some .0. 
It was awful. 

725
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:06,680
Jerry Jones is there and it's 
extremely humid, and people 

726
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,640
think the Cowboys are still 
America's team. 

727
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,680
And it's like, look, I love 
living in the 90s as well, but 

728
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:21,170
we got to let go, right? 
Hey, Jimmie Johnson is gone 

729
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:24,410
anyway. 
You, you live in your world. 

730
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:25,690
You live in your matrix. 
That's fine. 

731
00:38:25,690 --> 00:38:28,050
Your fairy tale. 
I'm happy for you, Cowboys fans.

732
00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:29,730
You're so precious. 
All of you. 

733
00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:34,210
You're so precious. 
And so I moved back to Southern 

734
00:38:34,210 --> 00:38:37,690
California eventually. 
I was after 3 1/2 years. 

735
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:40,850
And while I lived in Dallas, TX,
both of my parents, they moved 

736
00:38:40,850 --> 00:38:42,450
down there to be closer to our 
family. 

737
00:38:42,890 --> 00:38:45,370
My mother's partner had died. 
They moved down there. 

738
00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:47,450
Then they said, can we start 
attending your church? 

739
00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:51,830
And I said my church that I'm 
the senior pastor of. 

740
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:53,590
And they're like, yeah, I said, 
you know what? 

741
00:38:53,590 --> 00:39:03,710
I preach about relationships. 
They're like, yeah, I said come 

742
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:06,990
on over. 
And two weeks before we left to 

743
00:39:06,990 --> 00:39:08,030
move back to Southern 
California. 

744
00:39:08,030 --> 00:39:11,510
Two or three before we left, my 
parents at the ages of 6/9/70 

745
00:39:11,830 --> 00:39:13,190
gave their lives to Jesus 
Christ. 

746
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:21,540
And it wasn't me, it was the 
church. 

747
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:26,460
And the church knew what they 
about my parents and they 

748
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:28,340
disagreed with him, but they 
treated them well. 

749
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:31,620
And because the church treated 
them well and they treated them 

750
00:39:31,620 --> 00:39:37,300
like humans and not like 
projects, my parents became 

751
00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:39,060
Christians. 
And then in the last year, both 

752
00:39:39,060 --> 00:39:40,500
my parents have gone to be with 
the Lord. 

753
00:39:42,340 --> 00:39:45,850
And I just think every time I 
hear a worship song, they are 

754
00:39:45,930 --> 00:39:49,490
standing before the throne of 
the Lamb and they're 

755
00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:58,010
worshipping. 
Just like it matters what you 

756
00:39:58,010 --> 00:40:01,090
believe, it also matters how you
treat people. 

757
00:40:03,210 --> 00:40:07,290
Never give up on grace, And even
when grace feels messy, you just

758
00:40:07,290 --> 00:40:12,650
got to know God provides the 
opportunity for you. 

759
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:16,020
To have a life altering 
conversation, the difficult 

760
00:40:16,020 --> 00:40:19,260
conversation and grace and truth
sometimes, but you've always got

761
00:40:19,260 --> 00:40:24,100
to have grace there and that's 
what it means to love people and

762
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:28,820
messy grace and right now we're 
going to move into a time of 

763
00:40:28,820 --> 00:40:35,260
decision. 
All he's good. 

764
00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:40,980
And this is a special moment 
because I get the opportunity to

765
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:43,780
have this moment, which I don't 
get to do very often, with all 

766
00:40:43,780 --> 00:40:46,540
of our different locations. 
And what I want to do is we're 

767
00:40:46,540 --> 00:40:48,260
getting ready to close out the 
services. 

768
00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:53,060
I want to remind you that God is
not just a God for messy other 

769
00:40:53,060 --> 00:40:55,500
people. 
He's a God for messy people like

770
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:58,460
you. 
Every single one of you, you 

771
00:40:58,460 --> 00:41:00,940
have your mess that you bring to
the table. 

772
00:41:01,460 --> 00:41:04,340
And our God, He doesn't 
compromise on the truth, and he 

773
00:41:04,340 --> 00:41:06,380
also doesn't compromise on how 
he loves us. 

774
00:41:07,070 --> 00:41:11,270
What I want to remind you is 
that the gospel is still good 

775
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:14,550
news. 
That it is the kind of news that

776
00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:18,030
reaches out to messed up centers
just like you and me. 

777
00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:21,670
And it shows us a way forward. 
It shows us a way out. 

778
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:26,190
It shows us a better way. 
And deep down to the core of our

779
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:29,510
being, we believe that God's way
is the best way. 

780
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:34,070
And that's why we have good 
news, and it's why we have a 

781
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:36,630
better way to live and love in 
our world. 

782
00:41:37,290 --> 00:41:40,410
And there are some of you today 
who you have never trusted God's

783
00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:43,050
better way. 
You've never said, I want to 

784
00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:45,490
make Jesus Christ the Lord and 
Savior of my life. 

785
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:48,650
You've never said I want to 
start an intimate, personal 

786
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:51,090
relationship with him. 
And for those of you who've been

787
00:41:51,090 --> 00:41:52,770
coming around the crossing for a
while, you've heard me talk 

788
00:41:52,770 --> 00:41:54,610
about this. 
But every single week at all of 

789
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:56,490
our different locations, there 
are people who are joining us 

790
00:41:56,490 --> 00:41:58,650
for the very first time. 
And so would you give me just a 

791
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:02,290
moment to talk to them? 
My story is this, that the 

792
00:42:02,290 --> 00:42:05,450
single greatest decision that I 
ever made. 

793
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Was making Jesus Christ the Lord
and savior of my life. 

794
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,520
And I know what you might be 
thinking. 

795
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,080
Well, yeah, Clayton, you're the 
preacher. 

796
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,200
And I'm sure Caleb would agree 
with me. 

797
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,360
But I want you to know is I'm 
not the only one that that's my 

798
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,880
story. 
In fact, my story is similar to 

799
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,880
so many stories in the room that
you are in right now. 

800
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,760
In fact, I'll prove it to you 
crossing family. 

801
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:29,320
If the single greatest decision 
that you ever made is making 

802
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Jesus Christ the Lord and Savior
of your life, would you put your

803
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,040
hand up? 
See, I promised you I wasn't 

804
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,540
lying. 
His Grace is not just good for 

805
00:42:36,540 --> 00:42:39,260
me, it's good for you too. 
I got to tell you a second 

806
00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:40,940
thing. 
Not only is it the single 

807
00:42:40,940 --> 00:42:45,140
greatest decision that I have 
ever made, my single biggest 

808
00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:48,140
regret is that I didn't do it 
sooner. 

809
00:42:48,860 --> 00:42:51,700
Crossing family. 
If that's your story too, would 

810
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:55,500
you testify? 
You're thinking, man, I got to 

811
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,140
get my life together 1st and 
then I can start my relationship

812
00:42:59,340 --> 00:43:01,860
with Jesus. 
No. 

813
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:07,110
If you could save yourself, God 
wouldn't have sent Jesus. 

814
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:12,510
If you could turn it around, he 
wouldn't have died on the cross.

815
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:16,790
If you could fix you, you 
wouldn't need fixing. 

816
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:22,270
He mentioned the verse in his 
sermon that while we were still 

817
00:43:22,270 --> 00:43:26,890
sinners, Christ died for us. 
His love is not available to you

818
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:29,970
once you get it all figured out.
His love is not available to you

819
00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:32,490
after you say the right things 
and believe the right things. 

820
00:43:32,650 --> 00:43:36,850
His love is working on your 
behalf right now, and I think 

821
00:43:36,850 --> 00:43:40,250
the reason why he has you here 
is so you can start that 

822
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:44,450
relationship today. 
And so at all of our different 

823
00:43:44,450 --> 00:43:46,930
locations, in just a moment, the
people around you are going to 

824
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:49,490
stand and sing and the band's 
going to start leading us and 

825
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:51,490
worship. 
And some people are going to 

826
00:43:51,490 --> 00:43:53,290
come up to the steps and they're
going to get down and pray. 

827
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:55,310
But if you're here today and 
you're going, you know what? 

828
00:43:55,310 --> 00:43:57,190
I need to turn some stuff over 
to God. 

829
00:43:57,790 --> 00:44:00,830
I need to start the relationship
that I desperately been longing 

830
00:44:00,830 --> 00:44:03,670
for, that I was destined for. 
You can make your way to the 

831
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:05,950
right side or the left side of 
the stage, and there's a 

832
00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:07,430
baptistry. 
And there will be somebody on 

833
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:10,390
staff who would love the 
opportunity to talk with you to 

834
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:13,030
the rest of you in the room, 
specifically the Christians. 

835
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:14,550
Here's what I'm going to ask you
to do. 

836
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:18,270
Would you join me in spending a 
little bit of time at the steps,

837
00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:21,370
praying? 
That not only would we do a 

838
00:44:21,370 --> 00:44:24,570
better job of knowing our 
scriptures so we know what God's

839
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:28,210
best way is, but that he would 
also give us His spirit and His 

840
00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:31,890
strength to live that best way 
and to treat people that best 

841
00:44:31,890 --> 00:44:33,490
way. 
Maybe there's people that you 

842
00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:37,490
care about, people that you 
love, that you desperately want 

843
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:39,170
to have a relationship with 
Jesus Christ. 

844
00:44:39,170 --> 00:44:41,330
Would you pray that God would 
use you and open up 

845
00:44:41,330 --> 00:44:44,290
opportunities and doors for you 
to have those conversations? 

846
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:47,010
Maybe you're the kind of person 
who wants to see your workplace,

847
00:44:47,010 --> 00:44:50,410
your school, your environment, 
your family changed that. 

848
00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:53,570
God would use His Holy Spirit to
transform you in such a way 

849
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:57,650
where you live in a way that 
draws them closer to Jesus. 

850
00:44:58,370 --> 00:45:00,130
Because one of the best 
testimonies that you can ever 

851
00:45:00,130 --> 00:45:03,130
give somebody is a transformed 
life right in front of them. 

852
00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:05,250
And what if God wants to use 
you? 

853
00:45:05,730 --> 00:45:08,090
Would you guys stand with me, 
Heavenly Father? 

854
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:10,610
I'm believing that you're going 
to do big things in this church 

855
00:45:10,610 --> 00:45:13,020
this weekend. 
That there are people who are 

856
00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:15,460
going to drop off things that 
they've carried for way too 

857
00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:17,660
long. 
That people are going to pick up

858
00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:20,340
the call to be the people you 
have called them to be. 

859
00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:23,580
That they're going to live the 
life that you destined for them 

860
00:45:23,580 --> 00:45:25,820
to be. 
But, God, we know that we can't 

861
00:45:25,820 --> 00:45:29,340
do this life and do the things 
that you've called us to. 

862
00:45:29,340 --> 00:45:31,740
On our own power and on our own 
strength. 

863
00:45:32,460 --> 00:45:33,900
We're going to need your Holy 
Spirit. 

864
00:45:35,060 --> 00:45:38,060
And so God, bring about a 
transformation in us. 

865
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:40,700
In your name, I pray. 
Amen.

