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What up Crossing Nation, it is 
so good to be with you. 

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I want to welcome all of our 
different locations, those of 

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you watching online and inside, 
but I want to wish a very 

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special welcome to those of you 
who are here for the first time 

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or the first time in a long 
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I believe that today could be a 
significant moment in your 

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spiritual journey. 
And before we jump into all 

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that, I want to make you aware 
of a couple big things that I 

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know matter to God and matter to
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Camp registration is open and 
available today. 

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If you open up the app, you'll 
find that in the For You 

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section. 
And I just want to tell you, 

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sign up early and safe. 
Our church is growing. 

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We want as many kids to go to 
camp as we possibly can, but we 

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only have a camp that's so big. 
So get your kid in early so that

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way the neighbor kid, you know 
well, try and get the neighbor 

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kid to come too. 
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for those of you who like to 
support what we're doing through

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the camp, there's going to be 
all kinds of opportunities. 

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One is the in your corner golf 
outing, and that's also going to

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be in the for you section in the
app. 

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And if you haven't downloaded 
the app, download the app. 

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These 4G outings across our 
region will provide funding for 

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kids who want to attend camp but
not or might not be able to 

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afford it. 
And your participation will make

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a difference. 
And so for those of you who are 

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interested in doing that, 
another way you can help with 

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scholarships is you can just 
give a scholarship to help kids 

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go to camp. 
And everything you give helps. 

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One of the things that Jennifer 
and I are trying to do this year

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is where we put a stretch goal 
in front of us is we're going to

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have nine different summer camps
and to send one kid to every 

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single one of those camps is 
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And if you're in the mood to try
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that, you can join. 
But if you can't do that, do 

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whatever you can. 
Our goal is that every kid who 

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wants to go to camp will be able
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their financial position. 
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doing that. 
So all that information is 

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directly in the app. 
Pay attention to that and jump 

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in now about this weekend. 
In my years of ministry, what 

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I've experienced sitting across 
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is I've noticed a pattern. 
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this pattern, that there is 
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faith before a step of 
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That there is a question that 
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you can take your next step. 
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you are here today because I 
believe that God is not afraid 

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of your questions. 
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are we. 
In fact, I believe that God and 

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His Word welcome every question.
In fact, I think they have the 

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best answers to every major 
question about life and about 

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faith. 
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I believe that God's way is the 
best way in every area of your 

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life. 
Now, just so you know, each of 

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our services are going to be 
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So if you want to hear some of 
the other answers to some of the

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other questions that we're going
to be navigating, make sure you 

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take full advantage of watching 
our online service or watch on 

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playback. 
Now to help you take your next 

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step, we have invited Doctor 
Sean McDowell to partner with us

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this weekend. 
A little bit about him. 

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He has devoted his career to 
help bring the truth to the next

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generation, which our church 
loves. 

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As a college professor, as a 
high school teacher, as a 

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prolific author. 
He has exceptional insights into

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prevailing culture and imparts 
his observations to fellow 

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educators, pastors, parents and 
to students. 

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He is currently the Associate 
Professor of Christian 

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Apologetics at Biola University,
the largest and top ranked 

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graduate program of its kind in 
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As a part time high school 
teacher, Sean was awarded 

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Educator of the Year in his 
hometown in San Juan Capistrano.

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Now he is a highly sought after 
speaker. 

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We were very, very lucky to be 
able to have him come and spend 

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time with us this weekend. 
He spoken at various camps, 

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churches, universities worldwide
and is a frequent guest on radio

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and television shows. 
He is the best selling author 

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and has written and or Co 
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So if you're a reader, pay 
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He has a master's degree in both
theology and philosophy and APHD

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in apologetics and worldview 
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And on top of that, when he's 
does this guy sleep? 

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He is the Co host of the Think 
Biblically podcast. 

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But most noteworthy, he is a 
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He's been married to his high 
school sweetheart Stephanie 

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since 2000. 
He lives in beautiful Southern 

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California, which is where we 
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we can get out of this weather. 
He has three children. 

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He is here with us this weekend 
to help you grow in your faith 

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and help you jump start your 
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If you don't have a faith, would
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Welcome to Doctor Sean McDowell.
Thanks money. 

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So before we get into the deep 
stuff, I I told him a story. 

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I might as well share it with 
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I went off to Bible college 
believing in God. 

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Believing that God had called me
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there were a lot of questions 
that were still bumping around 

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in my soul. 
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apologetics classes at Bible 
college because I was going. 

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There are some questions about 
faith that I need to get figured

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out. 
And if I'm going to bet not just

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my salvation on it, but my 
entire life here on earth on it,

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I better know the answers to 
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And one of the very first books 
that I read was a book called 

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More than a Carpenter, and it 
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And they have actually updated 
that book you, I mean, he was 

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written 20 books, so you can buy
all of them. 

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But I tell you that story 
because they're, I, I know I'm 

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not going to be able to get 
through all the questions this 

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weekend. 
And between all five of the 

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services, we're just not going 
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But I know that you have 
questions and I want you to know

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there are really stinking good 
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And so I want you to chase those
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on a growth track. 
But what we want to do right now

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is we want to stop hearing from 
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We want to start hearing from 
somebody who is way, way, way 

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smarter than me. 
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and he's just been a gift for me
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sure that I'm building and 
bolstering my faith. 

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So you guys ready for some big, 
heavy questions? 

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If you're ready, turn your 
neighbor and say I'm ready. 

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You ready for this one? 
All right, let's go. 

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The Bible Is it a product of 
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Great question. 
What's unique about the Bible is

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it's a divine book that is 
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So God has chosen to communicate
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So he communicates through 
prophets, God communicates 

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through creation. 
He communicates at times in 

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dreams, but when he wanted to 
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clearly known, he chose to 
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beings. 
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chapter one. 
It says that no prophecy has its

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source in human will, rather it 
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And then you use this really 
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like God carries along the 
riders as they report it, almost

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like wind carrying along the the
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speak. 
So what's unique about the Bible

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is it's actually both. 
And this matters for a few ways.

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So if you look at like the Greek
of Matthew, it's going to read a

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little bit differently than 
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Why? 
Because they're both God's Word.

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the personality of Luke or Mark 
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Why is this important? 
It matters that the Bible's a 

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divine book because the source 
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The Bible's unlike any other 
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In one sense, that's true for 
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It's been read more, it's been 
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translated more. 
It's had more influence on the 

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world lives than any other book.
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that means there's an authority 
in this book that there's not in

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any other book. 
God is the source of this. 

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If I can give just one quick 
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Bible's divine, you say, OK, 
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a divine source? 
Well, one way you could say is 

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there fulfilled prophecy within 
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I think there's dozens. 
But one of my favorite ones from

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the Old Testament, Isaiah 
chapter 13 and Jeremiah chapter 

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50, describes that Babylon, the 
ancient city, one of the most 

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influential largest cities in 
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never rebuilt, and things like 
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would live there. 
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archaeologist in the Middle 
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chance to go into ancient 
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Iraq. 
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Babylon, which is right next to 
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Hussein's palace was. 
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graveyard to this day. 
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you know, few, 100 years later, 
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And you see owls, jackals and 
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predicted a long time ago. 
That's just one example. 

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We could give many more. 
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wait a minute, There's something
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different. 
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we would see it changing so many
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So I got to warn you. 
You said it again. 

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You said I've been, you know, 
for those of you who are at 

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church and those of you who are 
back church haven't been here 

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for a while, I warn you, if 
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with an open heart and an open 
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Hebrews 4 says it is like a 
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A lot of books can change your 
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I'm thrilled to hear about More 
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That's amazing that my dad's 
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But that pales in comparison to 
the change that the Bible can 

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make and does make and will make
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God is the ultimate author. 
That's an incredible answer. 

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Would you guys give a big round 
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OK, that one, you know, that was
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Let's let's ratchet it up right?
Lots of people say they believe 

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in God, but is there any 
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existence? 
There's actually a lot of 

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different kinds of proofs. 
So there's some historical 

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proof, like fulfill prophecy 
that we gave, or historical 

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proof that Jesus did miracles or
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There's philosophical proof or 
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arguments. 
If there's really a moral law, 

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the best explanation is a moral 
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But there's also what we might 
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proof. 
Now, there's a bunch of 

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different kinds I won't go into 
like really quickly. 

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For example, like when we look 
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we see more information, more 
sophisticated than anything 

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humans can create. 
We see information. 

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The best explanation is an 
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Another kind of argument would 
be what's called the fine tuning

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of the laws of physics and 
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There's a number of different 
laws of physics that have one 

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strange thing in common. 
They're set exactly on the 

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parameter they need to be set at
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supporting life. 
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chance, like the fine tuning of 
an old radio points towards a 

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fine tuner. 
Those are two kinds of arguments

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from something we physically see
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But one I want to spend a little
bit more time on is called the 

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Cosmological Argument for the 
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Now, it sounds fancy, but it's 2
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I was sitting on a plane not 
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goes, do you believe in God? 
I was like, well, I pulled out a

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napkin and I literally dropped 
this argument and we talked 

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about it. 
So here's what's significant 

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about this is for years up until
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century, scientists thought the 
universe was eternal and had no 

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beginning. 
But then with findings of 

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Einstein and some other 
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the redshift, Big Bang cosmology
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being eternal, but having a 
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Well, you see the problem right?
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this seems to point towards the 
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universe to bring it into 
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beginning in places like 
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Germany were persecuted because 
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beginning of the universe 
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So here's the simple argument. 
Just it's it's so common sense. 

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Whatever begins to exist has a 
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Whatever begins to exist has a 
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exist, we know it had a cause. 
We don't see things popping into

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existence uncost, right? 
If something begins to exist, it

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has to have an adequate cause. 
Premise #1 Premise 2. 

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The universe began to exist. 
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arguments for that. 
Now we know the science points 

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towards the universe beginning 
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So track with me here. 
If whatever begins to exist has 

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a cause, and the universe began 
to exist, then what's our 

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conclusion that the universe? 
Had a cause. 

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Has a cause? 
Exactly. 

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Now if the universe has a 
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Something outside of time, 
outside of space, something 

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smart, something really 
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This is sounding a lot like God.
So just as we say, to answer 

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your question, physically, the 
DNA points towards an 

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information giver, the fine tune
of the universe points towards a

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fine tuner, the beginning of the
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beginner. 
I think these are three good 

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arguments from something we 
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being best explained by their 
mind. 

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Bring it into existence. 
That is a perfect answer. 

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What am I? 
Oh yeah, give them a big round 

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of applause. 
What you know, you said one of 

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my favorite lines in there. 
You said common sense, and I'll 

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tell you why. 
A couple of things you need to 

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remember. 
I mean, you can correct me where

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I'm wrong. 
Just so you know, the church has

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never been the enemy to science 
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enemy to the church. 
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responsible for most of the 
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it was a part of their worship 
to the God that they were trying

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to learn and understand. 
And recently I there was a guy 

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who was making some waves for 
his fun, which is different than

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my fun. 
His kind of fun is he goes 

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places and he stacks rocks. 
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He gets a pile of rocks and he 
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they're trying to find out. 
Watch this. 

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Who stacked the rocks? 
Stay with me. 

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So if atheists see stacked rocks
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that, how on planet Earth do you
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come to the conclusion who did 
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It's common sense. 
If you leave here today at all 

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of our locations and you see ten
rocks stacked on top of each 

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other, you're going to ask 
yourself who has been stacking 

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rocks? 
You're not going to be going, 

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wow, something shifty's 
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OK, now so you've you, you've 
proven you've made a great 

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argument that there is a God, 
but let's get more personal. 

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What kind of God is he? 
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God being a loving God. 
But how can a loving God send 

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people to hell? 
OK, so hands down, I think this 

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is one of the hardest questions 
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Why? 
Because this isn't just 

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intellectual. 
Like, let me lay out the 

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scientific evidence. 
This is personal, isn't it? 

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I have loved ones, I have 
friends who don't believe in 

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Jesus, and if I'm right about 
this, they're going to be 

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separated from God for eternity.
I don't like that Hell bothers 

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me. 
If you haven't been bothered by 

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hell, I'm not sure you've taken 
the time to really think about 

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what the Bible says about it. 
That's good. 

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But I also know that something's
not true or false whether I like

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it, something's not true or 
false whether I'm comfortable 

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with it. 
So why should I believe that God

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sends good people to hell? 
Well, the first thing is I don't

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think God sends people to hell. 
We see from the beginning of 

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God's covenant in the book of 
Deuteronomy. 

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He tells the people choose life.
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worldview is God has made us as 
agents who can choose to follow 

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him, choose to love him or 
choose not to follow him and 

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choose to reject him. 
And God is going to honor that 

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choice. 
It's CS Lewis who said he said 

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there's two kinds of people in 
the end. 

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Those who say to God thy will be
done or those to whom God says 

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thy will be done. 
All who are in hell choose it. 

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I don't think God sends people 
to hell. 

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I think God honors our choice 
and lets us choose to repent and

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be with Him or not. 
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question was how can God send a 
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Here's the answer. 
There's no such thing as a good 

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person. 
Now there was one good person 

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and we crucified him. 
Jesus said it's out of the heart

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that comes sloth and comes lust 
and comes idolatry. 

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Romans 3, Paul says no one is 
good. 

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No, not one. 
Look, if I had like the 

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mechanism to take every one of 
your thoughts and like, tweet it

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out or exit out to the world, 
would you be like, that's 

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awesome. 
Nope, it would not be good. 

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All of us know in 5 seconds. 
You know what? 

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I have thoughts I'm not proud of
and I'm glad I don't say those 

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things. 
Where does that come from? 

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You know where that comes from. 
That comes from your heart. 

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That comes from your heart. 
When I was a kid, I remember I 

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was watching the news and there 
was a, there was, I can't 

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remember, some kind of murder 
story that was going on. 

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And I said, and that's so 
inhumane. 

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My dad stopped me. 
He goes, son, that's not 

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inhumane. 
Inhumane means not human. 

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He said. 
Humans did that, and you're 

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human. 
That means whatever that person 

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is capable of, you have the 
capability that in your own 

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heart. 
And that stopped me in my 

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tracks. 
None of us are good. 

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We know what we've fallen short 
in some fashion. 

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So why believe in hell? 
OK, think about it this way. 

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If I told you after the service.
That I was going to hold an NFL 

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clinic. 
How to be an NFL quarterback. 

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Let me save you some time. 
None of you should show up. 

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I got nothing. 
I'm a Chargers fan. 

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And we're, you know, we're 
happier now with Harbaugh. 

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We're feeling like our time is 
coming. 

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But if my man Herbert showed up,
go. 

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He's an expert. 
He has the authority to speak 

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about this. 
Let me ask you, compared to 

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anyone who's ever lived, who has
the most authority to speak 

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about the afterlife, God's 
judgement, and heaven and hell? 

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And I'm going with the guy who's
the sinless, virgin born, 

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prophecy fulfilling, miracle 
working son of God who rose from

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the grave on the third day. 
I don't like hell. 

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I don't like it at all. 
But if Jesus said it's real in 

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Mark Chapter 9, verses 43 
through 48, he warned us about 

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it. 
I don't feel liberty go yeah, 

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I'll pick this from the Bible 
and not that. 

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That's gold. 
That is absolute gold. 

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We're going to have we're going 
to do this one quick and this is

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probably we're going to. 
I'll be fast. 

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I'm ready to go. 
I was going to do, well, do it, 

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do it all right. 
Lots of people right now are 

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seeing their news feeds. 
No, no, no. 

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I'm a shift. 
Give me a second. 

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I'll be fast, I got this. 
Christianity verse Mormonism? 

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What separates Christianity from
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And you got 4 minutes. 
OK, let me answer this. 

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We're not far from Nauvoo or the
Kinderhook plates. 

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You drove past Kinderhook on 
your way here, OK? 

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So hold on. 
This Is Us, OK? 

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So let me answer this generally 
and I'll tie it to Mormonism. 

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This is a part of a larger 
question. 

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What makes Christianity unique 
compared to other religions and 

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other faiths? 
And I'll say three things. 

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One is salvation by grace alone.
It is only within Christianity 

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that salvation is a free gift 
you cannot earn. 

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Friends. 
That is not the case within 

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Mormonism. 
Second, Nephi 2523 says that it 

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is grace. 
You are saved by after all that 

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you can do. 
Hold on a second, Nephi is in 

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the Book of Mormon. 
Yes, thank you. 

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In the Book of Mormon. 
I don't want them. 

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Trying to look it up at their by
when they get home and not 

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finding. 
It you know what, that would be 

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a lesson in itself. 
It is by grace you've been 

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saved. 
After all that you can do. 

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That's very different then in 
Ephesians chapter 2 where Paul 

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says it is by grace you have 
been saved. 

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It is a gift from God, not by 
works, so no one can boast. 

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And Islam is a religion of 
works. 

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Every other religion you have to
earn it and work for it. 

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Christianity is by grace. 
Second, Christianity invites 

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investigation. 
So Acts 2 verse 22 says this. 

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Jesus of Nazareth was attested 
to you by God with miracles, 

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wonders, and signs that God did 
among you through him. 

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As you yourselves know, the 
apostles right witnesses that 

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Jesus says love God with your 
heart, your soul and your mind 

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and Isaiah says come, let us 
reason together. 

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Whereas in the Book of Mormon, 
what's the test for the truth. 

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Read the Book of Mormon and 
you'll have an internal feeling,

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a subjective experience. 
The biblical testimonies go look

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at the external evidence. 
Mormonism invites a subjective 

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internal reference and the third
one is the person of Jesus. 

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I think the Book of Mormon in 
the Mormon church, and I don't 

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say this lightly, gets the 
identity of Jesus. 

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Wrong. 
Jesus always has been and always

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will be God. 
Period. 

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God is a Father, Son and Holy 
Spirit. 

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God is triune. 
Jesus is not one amongst many 

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gods. 
He is the one and only God who 

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exists, yet he's one with the 
Father and he's one with the 

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Spirit in substance and in 
nature, as we see clearly taught

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in the Gospel of John. 
So I think Mormonism teaches 

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something different about the 
person of Jesus and his nature, 

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and he teaches something 
different about the nature of 

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salvation. 
It has a different test for 

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truth, and they also add a 
different additional scriptures 

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that I think actually go against
what's taught in the New 

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Testament as well. 
Perfect. 

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Thank you so much. 
Jesus was hanging out with his 

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disciples ancestry of Philippi, 
and it kind of sounded like it 

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was Jesus's version of the Lake 
of the Ozarks. 

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It's where you kind of get away 
to hang out. 

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And when he was with them, he 
asked them this question. 

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Who do you say that I am? 
In Matthew chapter 16, verse 14,

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we hear the response of Jesus 
followers. 

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They replied, some say John the 
Baptist, others say Elijah, 

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others say Jeremiah or one of 
the prophets. 

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And a lot of people, people you 
know, they would answer that 

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question the same way the 
disciples answered it. 

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There are people in your life 
who'd say he's a fictional 

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character. 
He never existed. 

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Some will say that he was a 
prophet. 

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Some will say he was a really 
good teacher. 

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Others will say he's a 
charismatic leader. 

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Some might even say he was a 
misunderstood 1st century Jew. 

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All of this that we made out was
never his intention. 

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But Jesus didn't end the 
conversation there. 

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In the very next verse, he asked
the most important question. 

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But what about you? 
Jesus asked. 

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Who do you say that I am? 
The question in front of you, 

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the question that Jesus puts to 
all of us, is not what do other 

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people believe about me, but 
what do you believe about me? 

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What do you believe about Jesus?
Who do you think he is? 

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Well, we have an answer. 
Peter was there, raises his 

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hand, talks before he's called 
on. 

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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,120
This is what he says. 
Peter answered. 

456
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:02,760
You are the Christ, the Son of 
the living God. 

457
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Peter's answer was the right 
one. 

458
00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,400
He realized that Jesus was the 
Christ, the anointed One, the 

459
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,840
promised Messiah, God in the 
flesh, who was going to deliver 

460
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,320
people not just from the penalty
of their sins, but from their 

461
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,240
sins themselves so they could be
reunited with Him in heaven. 

462
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,120
And you might be thinking right 
now, I just want to say 

463
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,920
something to the skeptics right 
now. 

464
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,760
It's OK to be a skeptic. 
She's not OK to stay that way. 

465
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,640
I know what you might be 
thinking. 

466
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,720
You might be going easy for 
Peter to say he was with Jesus. 

467
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,080
He saw him do all of those 
things. 

468
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,200
And you are exactly right. 
He was an eyewitness. 

469
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,520
And just so you know, he died 
taking his eyewitness account to

470
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,960
the nation's because he believed
that Jesus was the Christ. 

471
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,120
When we talk to you about 
placing your faith in Jesus, 

472
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,760
hear me, it is a step of faith, 
but it is a reasoned step of 

473
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,000
faith. 
When I say reasoned, here's what

474
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,240
I mean. 
There were eyewitness accounts 

475
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:08,000
not just of the life of Jesus, 
but also of his death and his 

476
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520
resurrection. 
Jesus appeared to over 500 

477
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,000
people after his resurrection, 
showing him that He is indeed 

478
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,360
the way, the truth and the life.
The biblical text that you and I

479
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,560
read it can stand up to critics 
and to skeptics. 

480
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,560
The evidence for the existence 
of God not only stands up to 

481
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,520
scrutiny, but it they deliver 
the best and most reliable 

482
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800
answers. 
It is the best answer for the 

483
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,480
beginning of the universe, the 
fine tuning of the universe, the

484
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,520
laws of nature, and the 
existence of objective moral 

485
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,400
values. 
Hear me, that is before you take

486
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,160
into account the countless lives
that have been changed, 

487
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,080
transformed, redeemed, 
repurposed, of which I happen to

488
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,640
be 1. 
Hear me, you might be saying 

489
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,040
today, I don't know everything I
need to know. 

490
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,200
And I want you to know I get it.
But I want you to hear me say 

491
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,040
this. 
I think you know enough. 

492
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,320
You've heard me talk about this 
before. 

493
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,760
Raise your hand fellas. 
If you know everything there is 

494
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:11,000
to know about women, I see no 
hands raised. 

495
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,400
Raise your hand if you knew 
enough to know you wanted one. 

496
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,560
If you didn't put your hand up, 
fellas, and you're with your 

497
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,680
wife, this would be the time to 
put your hand up. 

498
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
Or your Valentine's Day just got
real expensive. 

499
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,280
OK, You're going from farm and 
home to Zales. 

500
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,480
OK, That mistake cost. 
You hear me? 

501
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,960
I didn't know everything. 
I still don't know everything 

502
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,120
there is to know about Jennifer,
But I don't want to spend a day 

503
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,280
without her. 
I knew enough. 

504
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,720
And to be honest with you, it 
makes sense to me. 

505
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,520
It makes sense to me that a God 
who created the world, set the 

506
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,840
stars in the place, wrote the 
laws of nature, moved the 

507
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,520
mountains into their place, and 
is big enough to hold the waters

508
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,280
of the ocean. 
And the palm of his hand might 

509
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
be a little bit too big for me 
to completely grasp. 

510
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,440
But I do know this. 
I know enough to know that I 

511
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,680
need Him. 
I know enough to know that I 

512
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,040
want Him. 
And if you're here today, that 

513
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,360
is the question I want to put in
front of you. 

514
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,840
When is your faith going to stop
being on you and start being on 

515
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,040
him? 
Do you know enough to take your 

516
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,720
next step of faith? 
And I think, I think you do. 

517
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,800
We're moving to a time of 
decision and we're getting to do

518
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,400
something special that we don't 
always get to do. 

519
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:28,920
Yep. 
Thank you. 

520
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,440
We're staying, we're staying 
live at all of our locations. 

521
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,400
So I get a chance to have this 
intimate moment with all 12 of 

522
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
you locations. 
And I'm so thankful you're 

523
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,360
giving me the privilege to do 
it. 

524
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,520
And what I want to do for just a
second, I want to talk to those 

525
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
of you who have never started an
intimate, personal relationship 

526
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,640
with Jesus Christ. 
Hear me. 

527
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,480
When we talk about God, we are 
not just saying that He is great

528
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,920
and that He is powerful and that
He is majestic and that He is 

529
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,520
mighty. 
All of those things are true. 

530
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
But I need you to know something
else about God. 

531
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:05,800
He is so good. 
So good in fact, that He did not

532
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,440
make you and I get right and 
then make our way to Him. 

533
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,520
Instead, He came down to us to 
make us right. 

534
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760
If you want to understand 
something about His love and His

535
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,880
character and His goodness, you 
turn in your Bible to Romans 

536
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,040
chapter 5 verse 8, and this is 
what it says. 

537
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:31,080
But God demonstrates His love 
for us in this, that while we 

538
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,400
were still sinners, Christ died 
for us. 

539
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,560
Can I unpack that for just a 
second? 

540
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Coming after you was getting 
right with God was never your 

541
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,480
idea. 
It was His idea first. 

542
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,360
He moved on your behalf, 
sacrificed on your behalf, 

543
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,880
before you drew your first 
breath, before you committed 

544
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:57,200
your first sin, before you 
rejected His Son, abandoned the 

545
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,080
purpose He laid out for you, and
He did it anyway. 

546
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,120
And He did not come in and take 
control of your mind and of your

547
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,920
heart against your free will. 
He did all of it, knowing that 

548
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,680
you would have the freedom to 
either receive him or reject 

549
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,120
Him. 
And to those who would reject 

550
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,280
him, he still died anyway. 
How good is He? 

551
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,440
And if you were here today and 
you're going, you know what? 

552
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,120
It's been long enough and you're
ready today to start going. 

553
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,640
You know what? 
It's time for me to start 

554
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,760
chasing Jesus, to be found in 
Christ in just a few moments all

555
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,280
across this region, when the 
people stand around you and sing

556
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:36,920
and some of them come to the 
steps and pray. 

557
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,200
I want to encourage you to walk 
to the side of the auditorium 

558
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,640
next to where your baptistry is 
and talk to somebody about how 

559
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,440
you can start an intimate, 
personal relationship with Jesus

560
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Christ. 
And to the rest of you, to those

561
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,000
of you who already have a 
relationship with Jesus Christ, 

562
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:57,040
my prayer over you is this, that
your faith in God will inspire 

563
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,520
you to greater devotion, greater
obedience, and greater 

564
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,160
participation in the mission of 
His Kingdom. 

565
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560
May it strengthen you in your 
prayers and guide you in the 

566
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,600
darkest of valleys. 
Would you guys stand with me? 

567
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:20,480
Heavenly Father, you are the 
only one who is able to handle 

568
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,280
and hold all of our needs and 
all of our worries and all of 

569
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,160
our requests simultaneously and 
give each of us perfect 

570
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,160
attention. 
And God, you know best what 

571
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,200
every person that is hearing my 
voice right now is going 

572
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,560
through, And you know best what 
every person that is listening 

573
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,400
to my voice needs from you. 
And you know best what every 

574
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,160
single one of us needs to do. 
And so, God, in faith, I am 

575
00:33:53,160 --> 00:34:01,360
coming to you, asking you to 
show us, convict us, reveal to 

576
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,680
us the step that we need to 
take, and then, God, would you 

577
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,400
give us the courage and the 
strength to take it. 

578
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,960
And your name I pray. 
Amen.

