1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,360 Hello everyone, welcome to the Aztec show. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,280 I am your very own host Shruti Sinha and today with us we have 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,760 Gaurav Manti who is a writer stand up comic and an author. 4 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,800 Hello bhaiya. Hi, please just call me Gaurav. 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,160 It's perfectly fine. Thank you so much for having me 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,080 here. I'm really looking forward to 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:29,760 this on this. My pleasure is on that. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,240 So I'm going to introduce the first question that comes to my 9 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:39,720 mind is first law, then standard of Congregate and then author. 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,960 So what exactly are you trying to do? 11 00:00:43,160 --> 00:00:47,130 I think I always had this whole. The Leonardo da Vinci fantasy in 12 00:00:47,130 --> 00:00:50,170 my head that I wanted to try every venture that I could. 13 00:00:51,290 --> 00:00:55,530 I remember when I was a kid on my room door I had there are 14 00:00:55,530 --> 00:00:57,610 these stick ONS where you could paste, so I had to put a stick 15 00:00:57,610 --> 00:01:00,410 on that. Dr. Gaurav Mohanty, ACP 16 00:01:00,410 --> 00:01:05,209 Director, MBA, FIC, CAC. All the degrees that I knew at 17 00:01:05,209 --> 00:01:06,530 that point of time, I'd pasted them. 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,240 And I think that was a latent desire to always sample 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,280 different things because you don't know which coffee flavor 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,080 is your favorite unless you have tried everything. 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,880 Yeah. So I think that was always there 22 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,160 at the back of my head. But in my final year, I was very 23 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,720 fortunate that I got a job very early on, like on day zero. 24 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,880 But the first day of your fifth year and how law school works is 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,400 the last year is always scheduled for your internships, 26 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,080 which luckily I didn't have to do anymore. 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,680 I had a lot of time in my hand, and I'm a productivity mean. 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,480 I need to make sure that the r's and the seconds that pass by 29 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,210 count we can see that. Thank you. 30 00:01:36,610 --> 00:01:38,490 So I think that's where the whole writing journey started. 31 00:01:38,490 --> 00:01:42,090 I thought, OK, the Indian journal is missing something, 32 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:45,690 which is the favorite journal that I like to lose myself in. 33 00:01:45,690 --> 00:01:47,850 So I thought, why not try something and never had a 34 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:51,050 thought that this is going to turn into like a full-fledged 35 00:01:51,050 --> 00:01:53,050 book. I just wrote a chapter that 36 00:01:53,290 --> 00:01:57,090 metamorphosed over time and became this Fans of Darkness 37 00:01:57,090 --> 00:02:00,050 here. So you ever had this thinking? 38 00:02:00,620 --> 00:02:03,500 I want to write a book and it has to be something like this or 39 00:02:03,580 --> 00:02:06,500 something about. I think I never thought of 40 00:02:06,500 --> 00:02:10,020 writing a book per se. I mean, I think all of us at 41 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:12,100 some point of time think that our life is becoming too 42 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:14,740 dramatic. Like Jeet from Jab We Met the 43 00:02:14,740 --> 00:02:15,420 Coffee. Interesting. 44 00:02:15,420 --> 00:02:17,300 Oh yeah, Book the like, let's say a cube. 45 00:02:17,380 --> 00:02:19,300 Sorry. Yeah, it's from Jab We Met and 46 00:02:19,340 --> 00:02:21,500 it's too much excitement. And this needs to be like part 47 00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:23,940 of some autobiography that will be very exciting for viewers to 48 00:02:23,940 --> 00:02:25,560 see. Is it some kind of no? 49 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,880 No, it's not. It's not metaphoric. 50 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,640 No, not at all. I mean, as a writer, I mean, 51 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:32,840 like, I think there's a quote which goes in that when a 52 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,400 Kalakar is putting the best of himself or herself or themselves 53 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,720 in a role, they split their personality and put different 54 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,880 parts in different roles that they enact. 55 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,320 I think as the same goes for the writer, since I have multiple 56 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,920 characters that I'm writing, I kind of have. 57 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:52,230 Practices whole multiple personality disorder where I'm 58 00:02:52,230 --> 00:02:54,310 like a serial killer was different versions and different 59 00:02:54,310 --> 00:02:56,350 faces. And whenever I was writing from 60 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,870 the perspective of 1 character, I used to step into their shoes 61 00:02:59,070 --> 00:03:02,910 so that my responses to situations that as a writer I 62 00:03:02,910 --> 00:03:05,190 came up with. Let's see if there's a situation 63 00:03:05,550 --> 00:03:09,250 and what would react as. Is not the same thing with Shaku 64 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:12,130 Nude Reactor because his experiences, his live journey is 65 00:03:12,130 --> 00:03:15,010 very different. So I think that multiple 66 00:03:15,050 --> 00:03:20,530 disorder serial killer trick really helped me canvas the 67 00:03:20,530 --> 00:03:22,010 multiple character that are there in this book. 68 00:03:22,370 --> 00:03:25,090 So, but to come back to your original questions, I mean, we 69 00:03:25,090 --> 00:03:28,290 are going to keep diverting when we absolutely keep asking these 70 00:03:28,290 --> 00:03:32,570 questions. But I never believed or 71 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:35,250 envisioned that I'd finish this book because it took me 4 years 72 00:03:35,250 --> 00:03:37,550 to write this book. And cuz I was balancing this 73 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:39,590 with my law firm job which is 9:50 because this. 74 00:03:40,630 --> 00:03:44,310 While I was working, yes. So it was just a world that I 75 00:03:44,310 --> 00:03:47,230 used to escape to because as a lawyer your life is very black 76 00:03:47,230 --> 00:03:48,830 and white. So this kind of added some color 77 00:03:48,830 --> 00:03:50,470 to it. So when I used to come back it 78 00:03:50,470 --> 00:03:54,910 was and it was like I was Thanos clicking my thumb and 79 00:03:54,990 --> 00:04:00,470 reimagining an entire universe. So but once I started reaching 80 00:04:00,470 --> 00:04:02,710 the final chapter that could see, OK, wait, there is 81 00:04:02,710 --> 00:04:04,630 something here. It might just work. 82 00:04:05,180 --> 00:04:09,060 And when I submitted the book to publishers, they kind of gave 83 00:04:09,060 --> 00:04:10,780 the validation that, hey, this will sell. 84 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:13,580 So I think that's when I realized, OK, maybe I could be 85 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:16,980 an Orth. So were you an avid reader from 86 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:19,860 the very childhood? Because you seemed like a very 87 00:04:20,540 --> 00:04:23,780 vibrant personality and your choreograph is also very 88 00:04:23,780 --> 00:04:27,900 versatile. So were you avid reader or any 89 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:30,020 author that inspired you to write this? 90 00:04:31,220 --> 00:04:32,980 OK, just two questions. Was that I would read it 91 00:04:33,060 --> 00:04:36,460 absolutely. I think my mother played a big 92 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:38,900 part in inculcating that habit from the very beginning that we 93 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:41,780 used to have this tradition where she used to and I was in 94 00:04:41,780 --> 00:04:43,740 Balasore then. So she used to buy Amatitra Kata 95 00:04:43,740 --> 00:04:47,260 books which were these comics on Indian mythology and something 96 00:04:47,260 --> 00:04:48,140 in. Ghana. 97 00:04:48,940 --> 00:04:51,620 So she used to bring them, and she used to make sure that I 98 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:54,300 will read only one per week so that I don't exhaust all of them 99 00:04:54,300 --> 00:04:56,260 in one day. And I remember when she Her 100 00:04:56,260 --> 00:04:58,580 afternoon naps are very important and nobody could ever, 101 00:04:58,900 --> 00:05:00,660 ever mess with my mother's afternoon nap. 102 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,920 So when she used to be sleeping, I used to just quickly go to the 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,400 drawing room, figure out where the locker is, where she just 104 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,400 kept all these books, and just consume all the books in one 105 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,160 way. So I think that's where the 106 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,760 reading habit started. And I remember stealing into her 107 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,840 library and picking up books which I was not supposed to pick 108 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,120 up on. Like I picked up Sidney Sheldon, 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:22,800 Tell Me Your Dreams, Which was way beyond my age at that point 110 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,560 of time to read, because I was probably in standard two or 111 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,840 standard 3. The whole idea of murder and 112 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:29,960 serial killing or something, which I had no idea. 113 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:33,920 But when I read those books, it was such a beautiful journey 114 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,960 that the book took me through that I knew that I'm gonna be a 115 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,880 reader for life. Now, as to which author inspired 116 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,000 me to write, it has to be George RR Martin. 117 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:44,770 He's like my. De facto Acharya Drona. 118 00:05:44,850 --> 00:05:47,890 You know, I don't know if anyone remember the story of Eklavia, 119 00:05:48,330 --> 00:05:50,290 the idea that Dronacharya refused to teach him. 120 00:05:50,570 --> 00:05:54,570 So Eklavia practiced archery by creating a mold of Dronacharya 121 00:05:54,810 --> 00:05:57,250 and just practicing thinking, what could Dronacharya tell him? 122 00:05:57,810 --> 00:06:00,170 You know, obviously I haven't met daughter or not in real 123 00:06:00,170 --> 00:06:01,450 life. If I do, I'll pass out. 124 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:08,010 But I think he was the North Star which guided me in writing 125 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:10,330 the book that I wanted to read because. 126 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:13,630 A Song of Ice and Fire, of which I mean, which is popularly known 127 00:06:13,630 --> 00:06:14,950 as Game of Thrones. Yeah, what? 128 00:06:14,950 --> 00:06:18,430 The series has inspired me to write a similar kind of book in 129 00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:24,190 an Indian setting. So what exactly is the plot of 130 00:06:24,190 --> 00:06:26,550 this book? You don't have to give it all 131 00:06:26,550 --> 00:06:30,990 over, but it's. So sons of darkness is a dark re 132 00:06:30,990 --> 00:06:35,310 imagination of this ancient epic from the Mahabharata. 133 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:40,600 So Mahabharata has been recited. In a narrative style of 134 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,680 historical chapters, OK, this happened. 135 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:43,520 This happened. This happened. 136 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,120 What I wanted to do was I wanted to step into the shoes of 137 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,480 characters who are traditionally perceived as evil because no one 138 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 ever thinks that they're a hero or villain in their story, 139 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:56,080 because everyone thinks they are right. 140 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,520 For some person, you might be a terrorist. 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,960 For another person, you might be a freedom fighter, right? 142 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:04,130 And I love that concept. I think it was since I started 143 00:07:04,130 --> 00:07:06,810 watching gang the Wasipur. I really like the one of. 144 00:07:07,130 --> 00:07:10,050 My favorite anti hero culture. Yeah, and I think we all are 145 00:07:10,050 --> 00:07:12,850 anti heroes in our own kind. Like there is goodness in us, 146 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:15,970 and there are also places where we have done actions which we 147 00:07:15,970 --> 00:07:18,290 think are great, but for the world of the society or your 148 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:19,930 friends or your family, Some people, it's wrong. 149 00:07:20,050 --> 00:07:22,730 It might not be the greatest thing which you've done, so I 150 00:07:22,730 --> 00:07:25,050 wanted to approach it from that perspective because so far what 151 00:07:25,050 --> 00:07:28,010 had happened was Indian books, especially dealing with 152 00:07:28,010 --> 00:07:30,630 mythology. We're going along this whole 153 00:07:30,630 --> 00:07:32,910 Gandhian line of, you know, black versus white. 154 00:07:33,470 --> 00:07:34,870 Yeah. And I wanted 50 Shades of grey. 155 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:39,710 So I took out these characters who I thought had very 156 00:07:39,710 --> 00:07:44,710 interesting facets to them and kind of put them in a reimagined 157 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:47,510 ancient Indian world. See, what has happened is, and 158 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:49,870 I'm sorry, this is Bhubaneswar weather playing, misbehaving 159 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:53,310 with my foreign. But what has happened is because 160 00:07:53,310 --> 00:07:56,710 of colonialism, there has been this. 161 00:07:57,730 --> 00:08:02,330 Perception of ancient India in our myths as a place that is 162 00:08:02,330 --> 00:08:06,170 stuck in the age of wheel huts, snake charmers. 163 00:08:06,770 --> 00:08:08,290 Yeah, the land of Snake. Charms. 164 00:08:08,810 --> 00:08:12,210 That's been this whole racist colonial perspective that has 165 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:14,250 always looked at India. When you look at Greek 166 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:17,810 mythology, whenever they're imagining Zeus or Poseidon, not 167 00:08:17,810 --> 00:08:20,770 all the Greek gods, it's just totally glorified all over the. 168 00:08:21,050 --> 00:08:24,690 World not just in very sticks, back and palaces and forts. 169 00:08:25,260 --> 00:08:26,820 And I don't know. Like we have come up with 170 00:08:26,860 --> 00:08:30,060 amazing concepts that Pharaon authors around the world are 171 00:08:30,100 --> 00:08:33,220 using to make their own movies and franchise. 172 00:08:33,380 --> 00:08:37,820 For example, Matrix is this amazing movie and the entire 173 00:08:37,820 --> 00:08:40,020 concert of Matrix has been picked up from the concert of 174 00:08:40,020 --> 00:08:43,140 Maya in Vedic philosophy. Or we don't even have to go that 175 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:46,380 far. Let's talk about Interstellar. 176 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:50,140 OK, Christopher Nolan's movie where Matthew McConaughey was 177 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:51,940 stuck in this planet called Miller's Planet. 178 00:08:52,220 --> 00:08:55,920 Where? One hour spent there was equal 179 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,840 to 10 years back on Earth. Yeah, that is something which 180 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,800 was amazing to the Ferrans and everyone. 181 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,440 Wow, what a beautiful concept. Gravity is working at an amazing 182 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,000 level. But ancient Indians had thought 183 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,480 of this moving back centuries ago, and they had put this in 184 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,440 form of a story where a warrior had gone and was fighting for 185 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,400 Indra. And once the war is over, Indra 186 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,480 tells him I'm sorry. You fought well for us, but one 187 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,760 day that you've spent here is equal to 100 years back there, 188 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:24,000 so your entire family, your entire Kingdom is all gone. 189 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,440 So it's amazing that we have thought of this concept way back 190 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:32,560 and we have not shown it to the world, or profited out of it, or 191 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:37,400 shown how glorious an ancient text a lot of it was, you know, 192 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,880 inunded away when the Britishers came to India. 193 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Correct. I think because when they came, 194 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,200 they started treating. So see they colonized half the 195 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,520 world. I mean it's the truth. 196 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,520 And they kind of became the deciders or arbitrators of what 197 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,720 is cool and what is not. And from that perspective they 198 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,720 decided that Greek classics be in the Iliad or the ODC. 199 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,840 They are high literature and they will be taught in Oxford 200 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,550 and Eton and all their. Ivy Colleges and Ivy is 201 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:07,750 obviously an American concept, but basically the top premier 202 00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:10,790 colleges in UK. But when it came to indie 203 00:10:10,790 --> 00:10:13,750 literature they started. Since they could not understand 204 00:10:13,750 --> 00:10:17,630 the Sanskrit language, lost in translation and whatnot, they 205 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:21,110 reduced it to Hiddens. They thought of it as third year 206 00:10:21,110 --> 00:10:24,230 literature because they couldn't decipher what was written and 207 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:26,230 everything. They look down upon our 208 00:10:26,230 --> 00:10:28,230 exaggerated. So because of that, they were 209 00:10:28,230 --> 00:10:30,950 very happy in burning a lot of vortex and they give the same 210 00:10:30,950 --> 00:10:33,220 treatment to the Chinese. Mythology as well. 211 00:10:33,220 --> 00:10:36,420 Like there's an episode called as the Burning of the pecking 212 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:39,540 palace where they destroyed 1000 year old manuscripts because 213 00:10:39,540 --> 00:10:41,740 they didn't care about it, because they couldn't understand 214 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:43,060 it. What you don't understand, you 215 00:10:43,060 --> 00:10:45,860 fear or you disdain. So I think they went along those 216 00:10:45,860 --> 00:10:49,780 lines and because of so many years of their subjugation, it 217 00:10:49,780 --> 00:10:53,580 kind of entered our the psyche of national consciousness that 218 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:55,910 OK. You know, yes, Ma Bharati is 219 00:10:55,910 --> 00:10:57,230 awesome. Yes, Ramayan is awesome. 220 00:10:57,430 --> 00:11:01,190 But you know we will not deal with the magical aspects of it 221 00:11:01,430 --> 00:11:03,270 because no, it shows as if it's stupid. 222 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:06,030 Yeah, you know, even Amish is immortal to Meluha, which is 223 00:11:06,030 --> 00:11:08,790 such a beautiful book and also is Ramachandra. 224 00:11:08,910 --> 00:11:12,550 Correct all of those books and amazing stuff, but that book has 225 00:11:12,550 --> 00:11:17,070 tried to introduce a kind of science to justify certain 226 00:11:17,070 --> 00:11:19,910 aspects of the past which was considered magic. 227 00:11:20,410 --> 00:11:23,010 Like, for example, Mahabharata has astras, which are these 228 00:11:23,010 --> 00:11:25,050 weapons that you fire, which carry nuclear power. 229 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:29,890 But what he does is he does. He says, no, it's not that. 230 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:32,050 It's just a simple arrow, which is great. 231 00:11:32,210 --> 00:11:33,850 It's one way of telling the story. 232 00:11:34,130 --> 00:11:37,050 But I've always believed that magic is nothing but unexplained 233 00:11:37,050 --> 00:11:39,250 science. You know, like if you ask our 234 00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:42,890 grandparents if they could ever imagine a car that drives on its 235 00:11:42,890 --> 00:11:46,090 own, they will think that we're talking for them. 236 00:11:46,090 --> 00:11:47,450 Tesla would be magic. I'm so sorry. 237 00:11:47,930 --> 00:11:50,480 And. So I guess from that perspective 238 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,760 I wanted to build on that magic. So in Suns of Darkness, there's 239 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,080 an entire system where this Assassin's apprentice is 240 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,520 learning how to kill and murder people using yoga, chakras, and 241 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,640 mandaras. I don't know if you've heard of 242 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,440 the anime cartoon called Naruto, which. 243 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:12,070 There's a lot of concert chakras there where he invokes them and 244 00:12:12,070 --> 00:12:14,190 he's able to ascend to a super level of power. 245 00:12:14,470 --> 00:12:17,670 That is completely the origin story of that lies in Indian 246 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:19,950 philosophy where you have 7 chakras in our body. 247 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:21,910 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Thank you. 248 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:25,230 So when you meditate and do penance, you can raise that 249 00:12:25,230 --> 00:12:28,230 Kunderini snake and it goes around your chakras until you 250 00:12:28,230 --> 00:12:30,710 treated the crown chakra and then you ascend to a superior 251 00:12:30,710 --> 00:12:32,430 level. And that's amazing. 252 00:12:32,430 --> 00:12:35,870 So I want to use this to create this entire magic system so that 253 00:12:35,870 --> 00:12:38,770 India. Has its own Vestros or Hogwarts 254 00:12:38,770 --> 00:12:40,930 or Narnia, so that's the whole idea. 255 00:12:40,930 --> 00:12:45,290 With something about coming back to the fun part, Yeah, I just 256 00:12:45,290 --> 00:12:49,530 wanted to ask Keir, Obviously college may and there is a lot 257 00:12:49,530 --> 00:12:53,450 of pressure, especially local, but still, somehow we managed to 258 00:12:53,450 --> 00:12:57,730 have a lot of fun here. So anything you want to share 259 00:12:57,730 --> 00:13:01,730 about your college that was fun? A little mysterious kind of. 260 00:13:02,150 --> 00:13:05,150 I mean, I spent half of my nights wasted completely in bars 261 00:13:05,150 --> 00:13:07,550 and whatnot, So I was a very regular writer. 262 00:13:07,710 --> 00:13:11,150 Is always a sort of, you know, fools in melancholy. 263 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:13,950 Yeah, somehow I didn't fit that writer cliche. 264 00:13:13,950 --> 00:13:17,670 I was very to put it in the best I was possible. 265 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:21,270 I was someone from the Slytherin House and how good looking like 266 00:13:21,790 --> 00:13:23,870 I was. I really enjoyed having a great 267 00:13:23,870 --> 00:13:27,430 time and I knew that somehow I was always aware that college 268 00:13:27,430 --> 00:13:30,390 life is a very limited time period that you have to make the 269 00:13:30,390 --> 00:13:34,750 most out of. Free and unburdened time, right? 270 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:38,470 So, you know, planning to go traveling outside, backpacking, 271 00:13:38,470 --> 00:13:42,390 trekking, going to party, even just like having a great time 272 00:13:42,390 --> 00:13:43,790 with your friends. I think that was a very 273 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:46,070 important thing for me, especially in the last two years 274 00:13:46,070 --> 00:13:48,070 of law school. I remember we used to maintain 275 00:13:48,110 --> 00:13:49,550 something called record of attendance. 276 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:50,750 It's a WhatsApp group, which I have. 277 00:13:50,750 --> 00:13:52,710 I still have it actually. So it's a group which our 278 00:13:52,710 --> 00:13:55,910 friends made just so that. See what happens is when days 279 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:58,070 are passing and if you're not recording it. 280 00:13:58,470 --> 00:13:59,910 They all get blurred in your memory. 281 00:13:59,910 --> 00:14:02,590 Yeah. And remember So what we did that 282 00:14:02,630 --> 00:14:04,870 we started noting down like if on a day we have gone somewhere 283 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:06,790 out and had a great time out, there's been a great memory We 284 00:14:06,910 --> 00:14:09,630 used to noted down. Now what happened I had two 285 00:14:09,630 --> 00:14:10,990 effects. One, obviously that it got 286 00:14:10,990 --> 00:14:14,230 preserved like as if it's a journal or diary of our group. 287 00:14:14,550 --> 00:14:17,910 But most importantly, the days we did not fill anything, it 288 00:14:17,910 --> 00:14:20,790 kind of gave us a feeling, hey, one second we didn't meet. 289 00:14:20,790 --> 00:14:23,110 We're letting days pass by without actually doing 290 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:23,950 something. Exactly. 291 00:14:24,310 --> 00:14:27,030 So I think that kind of really made sure that. 292 00:14:27,890 --> 00:14:30,890 We utilized each and every day of our college life and as we 293 00:14:30,890 --> 00:14:33,290 could and just chill and just had a great time. 294 00:14:33,490 --> 00:14:40,010 So okay, So like any specific event that you did like, I came 295 00:14:40,010 --> 00:14:42,930 here telling my mother that I have tuitions and I'm going to 296 00:14:42,930 --> 00:14:44,690 the tuitions, but actually I came here, right? 297 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:46,610 So anything of that. I'm glad you're confessing with 298 00:14:46,610 --> 00:14:50,970 some camera when going something very risky, something risky like 299 00:14:50,970 --> 00:14:54,900 this where there is a fear of. Yeah, if you are getting caught, 300 00:14:54,900 --> 00:14:56,060 yeah, I love that fear of getting caught. 301 00:14:56,060 --> 00:14:58,580 But I'm just wondering what all can I tell on camera and what I 302 00:14:58,580 --> 00:15:00,660 can't tell on camera? Because whatever I'm getting 303 00:15:00,660 --> 00:15:04,060 right now is completely something NSFW, which you can't 304 00:15:04,060 --> 00:15:05,980 tell on camera. Yeah, like 1000 things of my 305 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:08,380 entire diary can be called, My Autobiography, can be called 306 00:15:08,380 --> 00:15:10,940 NSFW. So I'm just figuring out what I 307 00:15:10,940 --> 00:15:13,100 can say, which does not actually. 308 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:15,140 This is the fun story. I remember I went to Kashmir 309 00:15:15,300 --> 00:15:18,020 with my friend and this was actually. 310 00:15:18,020 --> 00:15:20,260 And when we reached Kashmir, it became actually a troublesome 311 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:24,070 period there because. There was all stone pelting 312 00:15:24,070 --> 00:15:25,910 going on, army vehicles and whatnot. 313 00:15:26,670 --> 00:15:29,950 So when we came, we went to a tracking point and then we 314 00:15:29,950 --> 00:15:31,590 returned. They had blocked the traffic. 315 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:35,590 They said that we have to wait for 12 hours and then we can go 316 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:38,270 to a resort. And our tracking result was 317 00:15:38,270 --> 00:15:40,310 literally 15 minutes away from there. 318 00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:42,110 And we tried to convince them, but I understand obviously they 319 00:15:42,110 --> 00:15:44,830 could not let them pass because there was a danger that vehicles 320 00:15:44,830 --> 00:15:47,950 would be pelted at, but obviously Hamsani ticket. 321 00:15:48,190 --> 00:15:51,670 So my friend and I, the driver, told us the locals are allowed 322 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:54,510 to go, not tourists. So the local driver told us K 323 00:15:54,550 --> 00:15:57,710 Aapnan Niche is a chale jao cross the like a River 324 00:15:57,710 --> 00:16:02,710 checkpoint and come up OK and like idiot OK, we thought this 325 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:05,280 is a great idea. Okay, this will be like a memory 326 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,280 to like live on so the adventures of God of Monty. 327 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,200 Yeah. Then it started and we decided 328 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,040 to go, you know, and not realizing that if someone 329 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,080 supports us, we'll be shot down by the Indian Army. 330 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,480 And it's not going to be the most glorious, That ticket 331 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Pakistani army shoots, at least, you know, will be brought down 332 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:25,360 back to our home with honors and probably an Indian flag, Indian 333 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,680 army, Aha. Then, so I remember we went 334 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,640 there and the car finally like comes across the checkpoint and 335 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:32,720 we're supposed to cross over there. 336 00:16:33,700 --> 00:16:36,020 Now we are waiting and we can't see the car and we're freaking 337 00:16:36,020 --> 00:16:38,620 out. I have the idea let's capture 338 00:16:38,620 --> 00:16:39,860 this memory. So I turn around. 339 00:16:39,860 --> 00:16:41,340 I thought we'll take a picture. So I took a picture of my 340 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:43,500 friend. She said what are you doing? 341 00:16:44,020 --> 00:16:45,780 I just want picture just to capture this memory. 342 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:49,300 And I click the picture, The flash was on shit, OK? 343 00:16:49,340 --> 00:16:51,060 And it flashed and suddenly there was moved. 344 00:16:51,060 --> 00:16:53,580 I was like, fuck. And then we ran down again and 345 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:55,340 we crossed to when the car was a little ahead. 346 00:16:55,870 --> 00:16:58,910 And we just got into it and we just like really thought that 347 00:16:58,910 --> 00:17:01,390 the cop, the army is gonna come at any point of time. 348 00:17:01,390 --> 00:17:03,830 And this caught us and I don't know, put us in camps or 349 00:17:03,830 --> 00:17:06,349 something. But we survived very life 350 00:17:06,349 --> 00:17:07,990 threatening adventure. Yeah. 351 00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:11,030 So that's definitely something where the fear of getting caught 352 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:13,910 was more like fear of getting out of life. 353 00:17:14,510 --> 00:17:19,910 So, yeah, so I wanted to ask this very controversial question 354 00:17:19,910 --> 00:17:23,980 which is in the media and nowadays it's about the Shiv 355 00:17:23,980 --> 00:17:27,380 Shakti point that marks the point where the Chandrayaan 356 00:17:27,460 --> 00:17:30,340 trees land are successfully landed on the Luna surface, 357 00:17:30,340 --> 00:17:32,220 right. So India being a secular 358 00:17:32,220 --> 00:17:37,220 country, naming it Shiv Shakti is very, you know, people are 359 00:17:37,220 --> 00:17:39,020 creating a lot of controversy surrounding it. 360 00:17:39,420 --> 00:17:43,260 What are your thoughts on it? So India secularism as the 361 00:17:43,260 --> 00:17:46,780 constitution makers envisaged it, is something that means the 362 00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:49,500 respect of all religions rather than. 363 00:17:50,180 --> 00:17:52,980 Let me compare it with Francis secularism concept which means 364 00:17:52,980 --> 00:17:58,260 absence of any religion, right. So we our idea has always been 365 00:17:58,260 --> 00:18:01,300 that each religion needs to be respected rather than be ignored 366 00:18:01,660 --> 00:18:05,340 and you know as if we proceed as they do not exist. 367 00:18:05,780 --> 00:18:10,580 So the idea that a point was named Shiv Shakti in isolation 368 00:18:10,780 --> 00:18:15,100 to me it does not look wrong because I mean it's not that it 369 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:18,540 is a Hinduism related concept because the whole idea of 370 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:21,750 Shaivism and Shakti. Which refers to the masculine 371 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:24,750 energy in a person and the feminine energy in every person 372 00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:29,830 is a yogic philosophy which predates even the rise of it is 373 00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:31,070 right from the Harbin civilization. 374 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:34,670 These concepts have existed but we can't look at things in 375 00:18:34,670 --> 00:18:38,470 isolation because this is real life and given the rise of right 376 00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:41,590 wing fundamentalism which has kind of plagued the country. 377 00:18:43,820 --> 00:18:46,020 I think this was an opportunity for the government to kind of 378 00:18:46,020 --> 00:18:49,060 dispel such criticism by naming it something which could 379 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:51,980 probably maybe if they call it a good point. 380 00:18:51,980 --> 00:18:56,300 For example, that would have really gone a long way in 381 00:18:56,740 --> 00:19:00,700 cleaning up India's image, which has been tarnished recently 382 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:04,980 because of the attacks on minority and so on and so forth 383 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:09,330 so. But then again, when I look back 384 00:19:09,530 --> 00:19:11,730 and let's look at the missile testing center, which is an OSR, 385 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:14,370 right, which is right on the coast of which used to be called 386 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:17,570 Wheeler Island, but now it is called Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam 387 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:20,010 Island, which is a Muslim name, right. 388 00:19:20,250 --> 00:19:23,650 So if you look at the nobody, it's a piece of them, correct? 389 00:19:23,690 --> 00:19:26,130 Correct, but it's still. A Muslim name? 390 00:19:26,170 --> 00:19:27,530 Yeah. So in that sense, could we have 391 00:19:27,530 --> 00:19:30,770 taken a bridge at the fact that? One second, why is this an 392 00:19:30,770 --> 00:19:35,010 Islamic thing? So the fact that scientific 393 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:39,600 names or points are named. We the religion, it itself is 394 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:44,000 not an issue unless it's being done singularly just to glorify 395 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,320 one religion, right? I think the fact that this is 396 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,880 the is awesome, and if we again land at noon, I wish we'd name 397 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,920 it something different so that that kind of shows neutral. 398 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Correct. I think recently, just probably 399 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,520 yesterday or day before yesterday the the four racers 400 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,510 who kind of broke. Records by being one of the 401 00:20:05,510 --> 00:20:09,430 first Indian teams to break into the whole men's relay race and 402 00:20:09,430 --> 00:20:11,710 they each went. Each of those runners in that 403 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,270 relay race were of different religion. 404 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:16,590 And I think that shows the beauty of India that each of 405 00:20:16,590 --> 00:20:18,310 them belong to a different religion and they all 406 00:20:18,350 --> 00:20:20,670 participated together and correct. 407 00:20:20,670 --> 00:20:24,710 So because of each individual effort we won. 408 00:20:25,550 --> 00:20:28,150 I think that's something which India is, that's what India's 409 00:20:28,150 --> 00:20:31,510 secularism stands for. So naming it Shivshakti itself 410 00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:34,500 is not an issue, but if that becomes a singular thing that we 411 00:20:34,500 --> 00:20:39,020 need everything this way, which only panders to one religion, I 412 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:42,660 think that's a dark thought which would unsettle me. 413 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:49,660 Another question, don't you think that the minority religion 414 00:20:49,860 --> 00:20:55,140 is given a way more importance than the majority religion? 415 00:20:55,140 --> 00:20:59,860 I mean people when they like keeping the religion aside. 416 00:21:00,290 --> 00:21:02,930 Aren't we all humans? I mean, I understand the concept 417 00:21:02,930 --> 00:21:06,490 of unity and diversity, but it is not very much practiced here. 418 00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:08,770 So what are your viewpoints of that? 419 00:21:09,090 --> 00:21:10,970 So there's actually psychological concept called 420 00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:13,890 narcissism of minor differences. What does this mean? 421 00:21:13,930 --> 00:21:17,770 It means that when people look alike, behave alike, eat alike, 422 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:22,050 they get very obsessed with every tiny difference that 423 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:24,810 differentiates both of them and they start obsessing over to 424 00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:28,050 such an extent that it becomes a big point of contention. 425 00:21:28,590 --> 00:21:31,870 Now let's say if there were Germans staying amongst us or if 426 00:21:31,910 --> 00:21:36,990 there were people from Australia or Africa, right, the point of 427 00:21:36,990 --> 00:21:39,990 dissension would be very less because we are completely carved 428 00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:42,790 out in the way we look, in the way we eat, in the way we are. 429 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:46,590 But when you look at Indians, we have, we are all S Asians at the 430 00:21:46,590 --> 00:21:48,110 end of the day. That's our origin point. 431 00:21:48,510 --> 00:21:50,710 We look very similar. We are very similar. 432 00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:55,070 So what happens is there is this tiny part in our brain that kind 433 00:21:55,070 --> 00:22:00,880 of really aggravates these differences and turns it very 434 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,880 violent. So it starts from a very small 435 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,360 thing where you can see it in very innocent examples where I'm 436 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:09,120 an ICT student and I will say, hey, CBSE students, you know can 437 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,720 do. They know this concept of CBS 438 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,000 system to correct ICC students. So Bhubanesha people will look 439 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,640 down on other people, other people will look down on 440 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:19,920 Bhubanesha people. Then eastern Orissa will look 441 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,330 down on western Orissa. ODESA will look at every level 442 00:22:24,330 --> 00:22:27,690 in the high structure. Huge regional differences and 443 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:30,850 correct people make fun of the other states as well. 444 00:22:30,850 --> 00:22:34,850 The other culture as well, yeah. So if it's done in a humorous 445 00:22:34,850 --> 00:22:38,610 sense, which does not is not malicious in nature, it's fine. 446 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:41,370 I think there's a sort of sense of humor which we should all 447 00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:42,690 interpret. Anyone correct? 448 00:22:42,690 --> 00:22:43,770 Correct. But. 449 00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:48,450 But The thing is when it comes to the question which you had 450 00:22:48,450 --> 00:22:50,650 asked, like there have been so many issues between religions 451 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:52,490 and whatnot. I think they have always 452 00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:54,690 existed. But what has happened because of 453 00:22:54,690 --> 00:22:57,090 Twitter, because and because of social media? 454 00:22:57,090 --> 00:23:00,290 Why am I singing on Twitter? Suddenly each and every one of 455 00:23:00,290 --> 00:23:03,770 us has a voice, right? Only everyone was scared to 456 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:06,330 voice out their opinions because somewhere in the back of their 457 00:23:06,330 --> 00:23:08,770 head they knew that this might be wrong or this might not be 458 00:23:08,770 --> 00:23:10,210 accepted by the society as a problem. 459 00:23:10,210 --> 00:23:12,530 By the society, Correct. But now what happens? 460 00:23:12,530 --> 00:23:15,250 A bunch of periods speak out on Twitter and they find this echo 461 00:23:15,250 --> 00:23:18,430 chamber right where suddenly their view is being resonated 462 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:20,550 and equal. If one person says something 463 00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:22,830 then correct. I need 2-3 people, support them 464 00:23:22,830 --> 00:23:25,470 and then it just grows, right? So now their views are getting 465 00:23:25,470 --> 00:23:28,310 amplified and validated. So they think this is great. 466 00:23:28,830 --> 00:23:32,470 So very violent, aggressive views against different 467 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:33,750 religions. Doesn't have to be minority, 468 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:36,590 minority against majority, religion against religion, state 469 00:23:36,590 --> 00:23:40,190 against state. These viewers which are so toxic 470 00:23:40,190 --> 00:23:43,150 in nature are being celebrated in those echo chambers. 471 00:23:43,150 --> 00:23:46,640 So they're not able to know that this is wrong and I think that 472 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,560 is the dark side of social media, the. 473 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,880 Validation that they can see, right. 474 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Yeah, that is so you don't realize that. 475 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,200 OK, one second. What voices you're amplifying, 476 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,800 you're just making you're basically heard of jackals, you 477 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,200 know, as compared to. But in their head they're 478 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,680 thinking they're alliance, right. 479 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:04,960 Right. So it's a perception different, 480 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,280 OK. This is my perception. 481 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,920 They might think what views I'm espousing with my group of 482 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,520 people and my friends and whatnot might be something 483 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,160 similar, right. But I think the whole idea, and 484 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,080 I think this is a situation which is not playing India 485 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,080 itself, it's playing the United States, UK everywhere. 486 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,040 The dissension lines have grown very strict and defined because 487 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,640 of the fault lines that social media has created. 488 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,760 Because as I said, each and every one of us has a voice 489 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,800 right now and there is no filter on it. 490 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,600 We're not applying filters to what we want to say. 491 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,640 I think that will change only as a whole mass movement where we 492 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,500 kind of attach this filter saying that if I'm not able to 493 00:24:44,500 --> 00:24:48,140 say what I want to say to the person on their face, I should 494 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:51,700 not say it on Twitter. I think that's the one thing 495 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:55,300 which you kind of. It's a very common like concept 496 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:58,820 like. Haha, exactly. 497 00:24:58,820 --> 00:25:00,540 So we don't want to be keyboard warriors. 498 00:25:00,540 --> 00:25:03,500 If you can actually say it out in front of the person, that 499 00:25:03,500 --> 00:25:06,300 means you should be able to say it on wherever you want as well. 500 00:25:06,340 --> 00:25:09,500 But if you're hiding from that, if you can't do that and I think 501 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:12,300 that means there is something wrong in that thought which you 502 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:15,340 know but you are kind of see every man, every human being has 503 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:18,660 an animal on the inside doctor Jack and Doctor Hyde concept. 504 00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:21,420 So I think we need to kind of make sure that we we're human 505 00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:23,740 beings, the reason we have conquered over the other species 506 00:25:23,740 --> 00:25:26,460 in human beings in the animal Kingdom days because of our 507 00:25:26,460 --> 00:25:28,540 superior intelligence. It's time we use it. 508 00:25:31,140 --> 00:25:35,460 Do you think democracy is the best structure of government? 509 00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:39,220 Because we can say in Germany when Hitler came there was 510 00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:43,670 dictatorship and. Germany was facing a lot of 511 00:25:43,870 --> 00:25:47,790 economic problems in the background, but when Hitler 512 00:25:47,790 --> 00:25:50,710 came, it kind of, it kind of sorted the problems. 513 00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:56,470 I'm not telling that he was a hero, but I hope you want. 514 00:25:57,310 --> 00:26:01,910 I have not, but he under him, the Volkswagen company, it 515 00:26:01,910 --> 00:26:07,190 opened the car. So I think him being a very 516 00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:11,030 violent personality is keeping that aside. 517 00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:14,950 He was very much dedicated towards his country. 518 00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:19,510 What I feel he just wanted to make Germany a established 519 00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:24,670 country in the world. See, I think personally what my 520 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:28,990 opinion is that when I look at world leaders, most of them, I 521 00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:33,590 don't feel that they are driven as much by the patriotic zeal as 522 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:37,390 they show outwardly. It is more about what they look 523 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:39,310 at, what they can mobilize, what they can capture on. 524 00:26:39,810 --> 00:26:42,450 Now if you look at Hitler's background, he captured on the 525 00:26:42,450 --> 00:26:44,810 humiliation which Germany received at the end of World War 526 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:46,410 One. But there were a lot of 527 00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:48,930 restrictions imposed in Germany which completely crippled the 528 00:26:48,930 --> 00:26:50,330 economy. And that's why there was a lot 529 00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:53,250 of resentment amongst the German people which Hitler abused and 530 00:26:53,250 --> 00:26:57,050 misused and rose to power. And when he rose to power, he 531 00:26:57,050 --> 00:27:02,130 rose at the cost of the big community of Jews who were very 532 00:27:02,130 --> 00:27:04,970 rich, by the way, you know, So if you are saying the German 533 00:27:05,130 --> 00:27:08,290 economy developed, we might have to look at whether it was fox 534 00:27:08,290 --> 00:27:12,450 wagon which really improved or did the funds come from the 535 00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:15,450 families of people who were looted, right. 536 00:27:15,530 --> 00:27:17,490 So I don't think we can take that unidirectional approach. 537 00:27:17,770 --> 00:27:19,850 But coming to your original question as to which form of 538 00:27:19,850 --> 00:27:24,130 government is best, I think it every form of government has its 539 00:27:24,130 --> 00:27:28,770 perks and corns obviously, but I'm talking about India. 540 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:34,860 I think this form of pseudo democracy that we do have is the 541 00:27:34,860 --> 00:27:39,460 least worst of all options, you know, because we can see that if 542 00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:42,260 tyranny is allowed to come in, How? 543 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,220 But it is not like India has not seen dictator ship. 544 00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:48,140 Indira Gandhi was a dictator and she enforced Emergency. 545 00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,740 And in a lot of ways she also did a fantastic job at different 546 00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:55,420 aspects. But Indira Gandhi is a live 547 00:27:55,420 --> 00:27:58,140 example of how absolute power corrupts absolutely. 548 00:27:58,540 --> 00:28:04,490 You know, because like using the absolute majority that she had 549 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:07,090 in the Parliament, she brought about amazing laws, she 550 00:28:07,090 --> 00:28:10,090 abolished princely tributes, which we were paying to all the 551 00:28:10,090 --> 00:28:12,690 kings and former Rajas and former kings. 552 00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:14,810 And decided to move correct abolition of pretty person. 553 00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:18,570 So that was a great act. But then again, we saw. 554 00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:20,610 Also the war with Bangladesh, correct. 555 00:28:20,610 --> 00:28:23,850 You know, she did an amazing job in making sure which gave us a 556 00:28:23,850 --> 00:28:26,690 lot of strategic advantage, whether we Pakistan and 557 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:30,050 Bangladesh. But we also see that and that 558 00:28:30,050 --> 00:28:32,610 power which she used so well, she did not. 559 00:28:32,610 --> 00:28:36,410 She completely misused it when it came to press freedom, right. 560 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:41,090 So when you look at that dark period in Indian history and 561 00:28:41,090 --> 00:28:45,050 also the dark period towards which we are slowly inching, it 562 00:28:45,050 --> 00:28:49,130 kind of shows that absolute power at the center is not 563 00:28:49,130 --> 00:28:50,610 something which is great for our country. 564 00:28:50,850 --> 00:28:52,530 I think. I know we have a flawed 565 00:28:52,530 --> 00:28:55,540 democracy, but. Every democracy is flawed, 566 00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:57,500 correct? It has some merits and sound 567 00:28:57,500 --> 00:28:58,540 demerits, right? Yeah. 568 00:28:58,540 --> 00:29:00,700 Democracy is flawed. Yeah, Yeah, So democracy is 569 00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:01,220 flawed. That's it. 570 00:29:01,580 --> 00:29:04,740 Coming through your no background. 571 00:29:04,820 --> 00:29:06,900 Yeah. OK, so there is this. 572 00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:09,740 There are a few cases I would like to discuss. 573 00:29:10,740 --> 00:29:14,180 One of them is some bizarre cases around the world. 574 00:29:14,180 --> 00:29:17,860 One of them is the McDonald's hot coffee lawsuit. 575 00:29:18,020 --> 00:29:23,480 Basically a woman she sued. McDonald's because the coffee 576 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,400 temperature which she was served was between 180 degree to 190 577 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,000 degree and she got third degree burns when she sprayed it on her 578 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,560 lap and around 6% of her body was covered when discussed and 579 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:41,720 the general temperature is 140 to one 1:30 to 1:30. 580 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,720 They saw the coffee very hot, right? 581 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,400 Compared to what they should have said, yeah. 582 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,200 Yes, so. We even discussed the what the 583 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,800 verdict was. But what do you think? 584 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:54,960 According to you, should the verdict have been see the if you 585 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,120 were the judge? If I were the judge, OK, see us 586 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840 is a very different example from what Indian law is. 587 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480 Because each state has a different law. 588 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,880 And like India which has one common law system and the same 589 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,520 law will apply, in Mumbai the same law will apply and we 590 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,240 measure, we don't have a similar system. 591 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,880 So we should depending on the law, the judge will have to 592 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,950 bring that into account. The second thing that you ever 593 00:30:15,950 --> 00:30:18,950 take into consideration is that when US is called with a land of 594 00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:22,950 opportunity, the side meaning of that is it is also a land of 595 00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:26,550 lawsuits because you can sue the person for anything and 596 00:30:26,550 --> 00:30:28,990 everything under the sun. Now when it comes to this 597 00:30:28,990 --> 00:30:32,790 particular aspect, when the coffee was so way hotter than 598 00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:37,230 what is prescribed, yes, there is negligence involved, right. 599 00:30:37,270 --> 00:30:41,630 So if I were a judge, I would see the attending circumstances 600 00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:45,270 like was this something which the user would have known This 601 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:47,710 is the temperature which I'm served and it fell and does she 602 00:30:47,710 --> 00:30:50,150 suffer actually any injury or is this a mischievous lawsuit? 603 00:30:50,350 --> 00:30:53,350 If she actually suffered third degree burns or second degree 604 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:56,030 burns because of the hot coffee, then she should be compensated. 605 00:30:57,150 --> 00:31:00,230 Because if Starbucks or McDonald's has not been 606 00:31:00,230 --> 00:31:01,910 following the standard guidelines, so obviously they're 607 00:31:01,910 --> 00:31:03,750 required to, because it's a whole concert of product 608 00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:06,790 liability where whenever you're manufacturing a product, any 609 00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:11,320 consequences from using it, especially when you're not 610 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840 adhere to what you say that you're adhering to, I think you 611 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,160 should be held liable to us on the next. 612 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,040 I think this is also common sense. 613 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,480 You should not keep such a hot cup of coffee on your lap while 614 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,000 driving a car. This is correct. 615 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,040 I agree with that. But let's if you're looking at 616 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400 strictly from a taught perspective, and I think I'm 617 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 deep dive too much into law in this one, so I'll keep it 618 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,000 simple. Yes, she kept it. 619 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,640 But there's a reasonable assumption in her that even if 620 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,280 it falls, it won't burn her because no matter how hot it is, 621 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,840 it will be the hottest under the prescribed temperature. 622 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,720 But clearly this was I think, 30 or 40 degrees more. 623 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,640 Yeah, which is a lot. So I can imagine that Burn she 624 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,400 must have suffered would have led her to file that lawsuit. 625 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,680 So. So now on this was given that. 626 00:31:55,050 --> 00:31:59,890 It was 20% tall mistake and yet she was given compensation for 627 00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:02,610 the 30K points. I'm glad that the judge and I 628 00:32:02,610 --> 00:32:07,250 are on the same page. Pretty one saved a man sold bird 629 00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:10,690 visa for visa. I guess bird visor for failing 630 00:32:10,690 --> 00:32:12,570 to help him attract beautiful women, right? 631 00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:18,930 So basically the people in America we know, they're very 632 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:22,530 infamous for drinking a lot. So this person saw this 633 00:32:22,530 --> 00:32:26,220 commercial on TV? Where a lot of women conscious 634 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:30,700 flirtious women were involved and every company does that okay 635 00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:33,020 to amplify their ads and everything. 636 00:32:33,460 --> 00:32:38,460 So he thought that if I consume a lot of this beer, I will also 637 00:32:38,460 --> 00:32:43,660 attract a lot of women. And in the the the the court 638 00:32:43,660 --> 00:32:46,540 obviously dismissed his case. But why don't you have that? 639 00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:51,300 I mean if this were allowed, anyone was using axe perfume in 640 00:32:51,300 --> 00:32:53,540 India or will definitely go up to the courts. 641 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:56,860 All are perfume, others it's. Not that dumb, to be honest. 642 00:32:57,940 --> 00:33:02,540 Yeah, I mean, OK, but if I were that, I'd obviously dismiss it 643 00:33:02,540 --> 00:33:05,100 because I mean no reasonable person, sticky, speaking from a 644 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,620 legal perspective, can be expected that this is a genuine 645 00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:11,300 ad that suddenly if you put perfumes, 2530 girls will start 646 00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:13,300 running after you. I think it's ridiculous. 647 00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:16,700 So yeah, I've dismissed it, but I'll have fun with it at least. 648 00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:18,780 You know, I'll definitely talk to worldwide a little saying 649 00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:19,660 that. What is this? 650 00:33:19,860 --> 00:33:20,900 How are you backing up your claim? 651 00:33:20,900 --> 00:33:21,700 Why are you putting the same ads? 652 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:25,580 Also, objectification of So I think the weak companies are not 653 00:33:25,700 --> 00:33:28,540 making sure that this is like stupid people don't really go 654 00:33:28,540 --> 00:33:30,220 after this. There's always this footnote in 655 00:33:30,220 --> 00:33:32,220 all these ads, which are basically disclaimers. 656 00:33:32,660 --> 00:33:34,020 Yeah. So I think it's very important 657 00:33:34,020 --> 00:33:36,460 for companies to use it. But seeing it from a very 658 00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:39,740 serious perspective, don't you think the quote already has so 659 00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:42,950 many cases which are. Untouched and everything. 660 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:47,830 Even India has this issue of black justice that justice is 661 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:50,270 given. But justice delayed is justice 662 00:33:50,270 --> 00:33:53,790 denied, right? So isn't this burdening the 663 00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:59,510 court with much more stupider cases, which is just not see one 664 00:33:59,510 --> 00:34:02,070 man's stupid, is another man's injustice OK? 665 00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:05,710 Because we don't know. We can't be the arbiter of what 666 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:09,120 is wrong and what is right. Now when you're comparing these 667 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,760 kind of matters, this you won't find in India because obviously 668 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,120 the courts are so burden. It takes 10 years for a case to 669 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,880 solve. US does not have the same 670 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,239 problem there. The disputes get sorted out very 671 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,480 fast and the appellate mechanism is very stringent as in you 672 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,760 can't go High Court, Supreme Court very easily the way you 673 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,080 can do it in India, right. Right. 674 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,719 So matters get sorted out at a very ground level. 675 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,840 So from the burden perspective, US doesn't really have that much 676 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,880 of a problem when it comes to this. 677 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,400 So they have. That's why they have a lot of 678 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:38,530 stupid lawsuits. But the court cannot exercise 679 00:34:38,530 --> 00:34:40,610 the discretion at the very outset that I think this is 680 00:34:40,610 --> 00:34:41,810 stupid. It should not even come. 681 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:44,530 It will dismiss it at the very first time when it hears it. 682 00:34:44,730 --> 00:34:47,610 But it has to give that opportunity because it is true 683 00:34:47,610 --> 00:34:50,610 that justice denied. It's just as denied for another 684 00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:53,449 proverb that says justice should not only be done, but should 685 00:34:53,489 --> 00:34:57,840 appear to be done so. OK. 686 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,000 Another last case is of Leonard versus Pepsi Coke. 687 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,640 OK, where in nine? Like how this turning into like 688 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,880 a mini trash course unlock hell. In 1999, Pepsi ran an 689 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:16,160 advertisement in USA showing a teenager having like 70,00,000 690 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,360 Pepsi points and 70,00,000 Pepsi points will give you a fight on 691 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,200 jet kind of thing. So one person. 692 00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:29,220 Got 70 points, 70,00,000 points and everything but fighter jet 693 00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:33,460 was denied to him right okay. So he went to the court and said 694 00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:35,700 that this is the breach of contract, right? 695 00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:39,140 I mean, can you blame the boy for daring to dream, right? 696 00:35:39,380 --> 00:35:42,060 So actually, at least this is the case or something I know 697 00:35:42,060 --> 00:35:43,820 about, because this came on Netflix as well. 698 00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:49,220 And very interestingly, Pepsi had offered him $70,000 to walk 699 00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:52,390 away, but the adults around him told him to go on with the suit. 700 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:55,030 And ultimately the judge ruled that this is absolutely 701 00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:56,590 ridiculous. The guy who was there in the 702 00:35:56,590 --> 00:36:00,790 lawsuit in the ad can't even be expected to drive a car, let 703 00:36:00,790 --> 00:36:03,270 alone a fighter jet. So no reasonable person could 704 00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:06,870 have anticipated that this was a serious offer, right? 705 00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:10,870 So it's true that this happened, but you know, kudos to that boy. 706 00:36:10,990 --> 00:36:15,350 Clearly he got a lot out of it, the Netflix show. 21 years ago. 707 00:36:15,350 --> 00:36:18,350 So I mean at 21 we are all concerned about law school and 708 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,560 what are the next assignment. And this guy is clearly dreaming 709 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:27,200 big, so cheers to his ambition. So coming to the last segment, 710 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,400 this is a fun segment where? I will tell you a question and 711 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,160 ask you a question so where you have to answer anything 712 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,640 spontaneously that comes to your mind like a coffee with Curran 713 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,910 rapid fire, then I want to assume a very aggressive. 714 00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:44,550 There is no winning or losing. You one ready? 715 00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:48,030 10 Right now there's a lot of performance pleasure to be in 716 00:36:48,070 --> 00:36:50,630 victory. OK, So what do you want for your 717 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,150 birthday? A teleporter. 718 00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:54,950 What's the worst combination with thumbs up Mango juice? 719 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:58,390 Anyone smell good ever to you? I have never smelt oh. 720 00:36:59,710 --> 00:37:02,550 Why do you think Sindand is just stupidest person in this room? 721 00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:05,630 He talks while I'm answering. Do you think Gandhi is stupider 722 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:08,990 than siddhant? No Sons of Darkness in Hindi. 723 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,920 Wow, I'm very cute. But Oh yeah, that's not at. 724 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,920 All Where do you find the hottest in this room? 725 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,680 What's your girlfriend doing right now? 726 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,640 I hope finding a way to be because I have man. 727 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,200 OK. Do you like this podcast? 728 00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:26,560 Yeah, it's lovely. How many X's your X had? 729 00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:29,680 How many times you're farted today? 730 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,040 Zero. OK. 731 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,560 OK. Or there's any questions? 732 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,280 Oh, OK. Wow, I hope that one. 733 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,760 Did anyway. Yeah, yeah. 734 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,530 Thank you. Sorry Sadanth, I had to answer 735 00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:42,010 impromptu. So why? 736 00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:43,650 I had no idea what asked questions about. 737 00:37:43,850 --> 00:37:47,730 He is getting roasted everywhere OK, especially on Watson by me. 738 00:37:47,730 --> 00:37:51,050 So apology that was I called it the hottest person in the room. 739 00:37:51,050 --> 00:37:53,010 By the way, this was no impromptu answer that came 740 00:37:53,010 --> 00:37:55,250 straight off my head. Thank God I. 741 00:37:58,050 --> 00:38:00,610 Was so thank you for doing this podcast with us. 742 00:38:00,610 --> 00:38:02,890 It was a pleasure meeting you. Absolutely. 743 00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:04,130 It was a pleasure having this question. 744 00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:07,770 So thank you for asking them. So like share and subscribe to 745 00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:09,470 the channel. See you next day. 746 00:38:09,670 --> 00:38:09,870 Bye.