It's me, your host Zach Newey Towers, looking sexier than ever
if I do say so myself. I just wanted to let you know
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Good. Morning Sad Mites.
Zach Zoe Towers. Justin Easer.
That's me. Hi, am I on your show right?
Now you're on your show. You're on the show right now.
It's very, very calm, cool, chill conversation.
Cool. I'm going to put my phone on Do
not Disturb. I don't want to.
I don't want to be disturbed. So you and I have known each
other for technically, like, over a decade.
Yeah. Isn't that crazy?
Oh, maybe, maybe not. Maybe just about 10 years it.
Would have been 2016. Wow.
Yeah. I feel like that date sticks
out. It's like, it's always like it
was 2016. Damn, yeah, for lots of reasons,
but you have taken an interesting path in life and how
would you like introduce yourself now 'cause you do.
You're a content creator, but in a in a kind of a niche area.
I'm a lot of things. I'm like a content creator,
journalist, news conglomerate owner.
So I started, well, I started out in Hollywood, did the whole
that thing. It was fun.
I worked in TV development and then I did America's Got Talent
and I started my own YouTube channel called Justin Tech where
I did like all consumer tech. And then during that and during
COVID, I got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes incorrectly.
I actually had type 1 diabetes. And a lot of people don't know
that you can be diagnosed later in life with type one.
In fact, and what we used to call juvenile diabetes.
In fact, 60% of diagnosis of type 1 juvenile diabetes are
over the age of 20. And I got, I mean, I didn't even
say this. I got diagnosed thanks to
TikTok. Oh my God, like someone you you
stumbled upon someone who had the symptoms of that you had.
No, so I was posting videos about like, hey, I'm Justin, I'm
a newly diagnosed diabetic and today we're testing my blood
sugar. And so I was just like in the
same bathroom everyday doing like little things.
And I was testing my blood sugar, taking long acting
insulin for the first time. And my doctor was just like you
have type 2, we're going to give you metformin.
We're going to. We were going on this journey.
It had been a six month journey of misdiagnosis.
So I was posting these on TikTok and they blew up.
And I just got so many comments from this community I didn't
know existed saying like, no, you have you have type 1 go get
tested, get a pump, get a CGM. And so I did.
And it inspired me to like, keep sharing my story on.
Did you keep? First of all, it's not as simple
as just a test that tells you if it's type one or type 2.
Like how was it misdiagnosed for so long?
Well, it the sad part is that it is just a test, but there's so
much, there's not enough awareness even in like the
medical field. They spend like one day talking
about type 1 and type 2 diabetes in medical school.
So a lot of doctors don't even know that you can be diagnosed
later in age. So my doctor just looked at me.
He was like, you're old, you have type 2.
And they'll do that way if you're overweight, you know, if
you're a certain race, like they'll just kind of diagnose
you with type 2. Wow.
Yeah, and you said 60% of people are diagnosed over the age of
2020. Wow.
And is it that symptoms get worse as you get older or?
Well, yeah, for me it got bad like very quickly.
OK, the, the signs are always blurred vision, thirsty all the
time, peeing all the time, irritability and general like
malaise. And I, I had all of those and,
and that's usually what everyone experiences.
But a lot of times because people go misdiagnosed, they'll
go into what's called DKA, which is diabetic ketoacidosis.
And like, they go to the hospital and I mean, it can be
deadly, too. Wow and like comas come into
play, right? That's or is that like you go
too low, which is something that I still like it could happen.
That means you need insulin. No, the opposite.
No 'cause that will like kill me.
Wow, I need sugar at that point. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, this important work. What a roller coaster.
And we'll get to the OK, this is
a sex pod, but obviously feel free to be as candid or whatever
as you want because I do want to know what your sex life has been
like since the diagnosis. But going back to the beginning
of your sexual journey, do you remember the first thing that
made you aware of sex? Yeah, at the time I was probably
having, I just, I think I just had like these thoughts that
like came into my head of like attraction and like night, like
dreams I guess were kind of like when I first was thinking about
sex and my dreams included women, only women at first.
You and women. Yeah, and like, I've never told
anyone this, but they were like kind of like sex slave women.
Yeah. I don't know.
I, I I'm none of that. Holds true.
Yeah, right. Yeah, it was.
Like weird. That was very short period.
And then I was at my dad's office, I and I was on his
computer and I have no idea how I stumbled upon this, but I've,
I saw an image of like 2 men together and one was on his
knees, like about to suck the other guy's Dick, I guess.
And I have no idea how I, it was like, it was like, you know how
it used to get pop up. Yeah, yeah, It, it was very much
that and not that my dad's computer at his office had like
a virus like that, but it was I, I stumbled on something like
that. And that was the first moment
that the idea of gay had ever crossed my mind.
At that point I hadn't seen, to my knowledge, I, I hadn't
realized I had seen like Will and Grace or anything like that
was the first gay thing. That was the first time I even
knew gay was a possibility. What was your aid, sex and
location at this time? Obviously male.
Lynbrook, NY and I was 12 or 13. I I was in, I had just 7th
grade. Yeah.
What was the vibe? OK, This is when he became aware
of like a boy and boy. So you didn't know anything
about gay culture. Was there a vibe about gay?
Was it like spoken poorly of in family, friends, school?
I had been called gay all throughout like elementary
school, probably like 5th or 6th grade and.
You're like, no, I'm not. I have sex slaves and they're
all women. That is not me.
My phone is on do not serve it's.
Probably my. It's probably my laptop.
I was like, yes, sorry, no, no, you're kid.
That's so funny though 'cause I'm in work mode in my phone.
And so it shouldn't. Have come?
Yeah. That's unprofessional.
I know. Anyway, OK, so you were called
gay. Yeah, I was called gay and it
like sucked and like that was like one of the main and it
wasn't, it didn't suck because I it hurt.
I was picked on a lot and that was like the go to phrase was
like Justin's gay and the other one was mole, mole, mole, mole.
Because I have a mole here. It's really hard to see and like
forever. I wanted a a beard and I got
one, but I don't care anymore. But yeah.
And so I have a mole here. And Goldmember had just come out
at that time too. And he like the mole, mole,
mole. Oh no.
It was the worst. Yeah, that's unfortunate timing.
Not cool. I wanted to write a letter to
the producers and be like, you ruined my life.
Like, were you not? Thinking anybody I honestly
that's a class action suit. Anyone.
In the mole we should do it. I mean, you should do it.
I would have never seen it. Isn't that crazy?
Some people are like, oh, your mustache is a little uneven.
I'm like, no, it's it's mole do. You remember your first orgasm.
I do. It was actually either the same
day as me seeing that image or like the next day.
I think it was the same. Day.
That's such a quick turn around. Yeah, so I me and my dad go back
to my home and I like going on a deep dive.
I'm like, I want to see more of this.
So I must have used Google. Like man on ease with man.
Pretty, yeah. Like man on man with man kissing
man with man. Like blowing a a penis, I guess.
I don't know, like very blown in.
Penis, I guess. I didn't know what was possible.
Like I didn't know what guy, what I didn't even know what
guys or girls would do with sex. All I knew was like I knew.
This insertion first. Straight at least yeah, I knew
insertion, so I was just searching that stuff up and I
was seeing images and I was like oh wow, this is like, I'm into
this, this is really cool. Yeah like, well, I hadn't
actually. I hadn't seen anal.
No, I was just seeing like, mostly blow jobs and like, hand
jobs, OK. And then my family's like, oh,
we're going to go get froyo. They're like I don't want any.
No, I, I say I'll go. Oh, but they, we were going to
stop at the gap first. OK, brought to you by the gap.
Wow. So we're, we go to the gap,
we're in the parking lot and I decide I'm going to stay in the
car. They're going to go into the
gap. And so my family, my mom, my dad
and my sister going to the Gap to go do their little shopping
and I stay in the car and I just start thinking about all this
stuff I was saying. And I was like about your
research. That was cool.
Yeah. And all of a sudden, like, I
have this urge to touch myself for the first time to my
knowledge ever, like. And I'm kind of just like doing
that. Yeah.
And I do it long enough in the parking lot of the gap that you
I orgasm. You have my first.
Orgasm. Yeah.
And thank goodness there were tissues on the floor in the back
seat. I freaked out, though.
I didn't know that this could happen.
Did you know that that could happen the first time you did
that? Did someone help you or like.
No, I read. I read about it in a book, OK.
And I was like, and it was very clinical and it was very like
the man can stimulate his genitals by rubbing up and down.
And I was like, it was like a a recipe.
I was like, this can't, is this witchcraft?
What's going on? And I like came like a very
watery substance. But I was in the comfort of my
like bedroom. Who's letting their kids
discover this on their own? Like, should we not be like,
just so you know, like one day, heads up, yes, I freaked out.
I it felt amazing. It was, I mean, it hasn't felt
as good since, right? Like it's never going to.
Feel. Wait, that's so funny.
Yeah, I mean, it was the most incredible thing I'd ever
experienced in the. World and it really does stand
out to you as the best orgasm you've ever had.
I think so. I mean it.
I mean it was holding up for 13 years.
Yeah, so cleaned it up with the tissues.
My family, I timed it out. Like, my family's coming toward
the car and freaking out. I open the door as they come in
and I drop the tissues out of the door and close it and we go
get froyo. And my mom mentioned she's like,
there's a weird smell in here or something.
Yeah, it was my semen. Oh my.
Gosh, I think I got like pomegranate yogurt froyo.
Wait, wait, wait. Have you ever come clean about
that to your family? No, never will.
They are not listening to this and if they are, I'm so.
Sorry, maybe they are. Maybe.
They are. OK, wow, OK.
Do you remember your first sexual experience with another
person? Yeah.
OK. It wasn't.
Great. OK.
Yeah, I could tell that actually from the way you said, yeah.
I was taking advantage of it, OK, It felt like that.
Sure. It's a, it's a, it's a lot of
people's experience, I've found. Yeah, well, we do not have to
talk about that. If it's like, oh, I.
I talk about it, OK, I'm actually, I've never, it's
funny. I like.
I haven't really talked about any of this with anyone.
So I know, and that's honestly the underlying mission statement
of this podcast is like to be make sex more conversational and
make it not so scary or shameful or like 'cause we, it's like you
just said with the parents, like not giving their kids a heads
up. It's like you also know what it
felt like, knew what it felt like to be in the dark about
this and stumble upon it and be very scared and ashamed maybe so
wouldn't you want to be like, I'm not going to do that to my
kid? Here's APDF.
Give it a read like about what may happen with your body.
I'm gonna give them VR, they're gonna wear a headset.
They're gonna be like going through.
They're gonna go through the veins of the penis.
They're gonna see how the semen works.
It's gonna end everything, end at a gap.
Yeah, yeah. I'll get the Gap to sponsor.
That yes, perfect. I'm a content creator.
So then, yeah, talk us through then how this first experience
came to be and how it played out.
So the first person I ever told I was gay was this guy MJ.
Thank you MJ for like helping me come out.
It was his ex that I started talking to like.
And again, what age are we at? 6/15/16.
And we all went to the same school.
Me and MJ went to the same school, that's How I Met him.
He introduced me to his ex BJM. J and BJ.
Yeah, yeah. Wow.
So I, BJ and I are talking on like AOL Instant messenger or
something. Used to be such a thrill.
See the boy come online and be like, is he going to message me?
Yeah. Yeah, Oh my God, those are the
days. Those are the.
Days, did you dabble in xy.com? Did you?
It was like, wait. It was that a gay.
Website, yeah, it was like, I think so for like young guys,
very it was like very like teen gay website.
I remember it. I don't remember being too
involved. I was part of like, the GYC.
The gay youth community was like a website I was on.
Yeah, like back in the day, like we had to find these like the
Adam. Well, there was gay.com.
That I chat room. Oh, really?
And Adam for Adam Manhunt. Manhunt.
Yeah. Anyway, OK, sorry.
So you were chatting with BJ and at this point did you think BJ
was cute? Were you like OK?
Definitely thought he was cute and him and I had just been
talking for a while. There was flirtation there and
we decided to meet up. I don't think, I don't think.
I couldn't even drive. I didn't have a car.
He had to come pick me up. Was he significantly older?
He was 18. OK, so does that mean it was
illegal? I'm sure there's like yes,
'cause it or there's like a separation of like 16 to 18
because I feel. Like that should be fine.
I mean it, I guess it there is probably a hard and fast law.
Obviously I err on the side of it being illegal, but.
Yeah, don't try this at home. But like, honestly, but like,
seniors have dated freshmen. Do you know what I mean?
And that's about that gap 1518. Yeah.
Anyway, OK, proceed. So he picks me up and the whole
I think like the plan was to have sex.
Like that was the plan. I think I just hadn't had it and
he knew I hadn't had it before. And so that was the plan.
And so he picks me up. We go back to his house.
His mom is on vacation. So we have like the place to
ourselves. And I didn't know what to
expect. I mean, my, I thought we were
going to like have more of a moment.
Like I don't know I I wanted it to be more of a date or to.
Like. Have chemistry and make out.
Yeah, that was kind of my expectation, but it was kind of
weird we got there. He like, he's like, oh, let's
watch porn. So like we he like, turns on
porn to watch. I'm like, OK.
And then he's like, all right, like, let's get undressed and
like we just get undressed separately.
No, he doesn't take my clothes off.
It's like you take off your clothes.
No. Damn, I don't think we kissed at
all. Damn.
Which was really heartbreaking for me.
I sucked a Dick before I kissed a boy, so this is not the same
thing, but it's like, yeah. Yeah, so I think we just like I
get on top of him and we don't kiss and and we like have sex.
I think that that was it. Like I don't even remember a
blowjob being involved. It was very it was so sterile.
Yeah. And it was like, and I don't
remember. I think I topped really.
Yeah. Yeah, that first time.
Wow, that's interesting. The second time I bottomed OK,
yeah. Was it with BJ?
Yeah. And was it the same day?
No, it was another day, but it was in a car.
And did you ever kiss? I think I got to kiss a little
bit, like I made sure of it. Like I was like, we're going to
kiss this time. Yeah, that's so interesting
'cause you also think like, I mean, that's so to me
disconnected gay guy in his like twenties, 30s, where it's like,
no, I'm just, you think it'd be more like, yeah, kissing,
grinding, HJBBJ it. Felt so transactional.
It was like we are doing this just to have sex.
It was and the reason I say I felt taken advantage of it just
I don't know, I. Well, he knew what he was doing
and you didn't know what you were doing.
So it was like definitely like misplaced trust and confidence
in, in an, an elder, you know, and if you it, all that really
matters is that you felt it was not kosher.
And that's a huge bummer. And it took time for me to,
like, digest that. At first, I was like, well,
maybe this is how it's done. Of course, you didn't know.
Yeah. And a few years later I was
like, that was kind of weird. So did you so after you bottomed
in the car, Bottoming in cars with boys after you got them in
the car was at the end of you in beach.
I think there were a couple more times.
I think they were all car related too.
I I actually like cars were. A thing.
When you. When you don't have a place.
When you're gay and you're not out and you don't feel
comfortable bringing home a guy, like 'cause who's the guy?
Maybe if they're your friend from school, but if it's just
some random guy, I don't know, I, I just never, I didn't feel
comfortable bringing guys home. And even if I did bring them
home, it's like, why are you in your room?
You know why? And it why is it the?
Door No, you don't have to explain how like difficult anal
would be in your childhood bedroom.
Yeah, so cars were the the spot for a while.
Did you? Do you have a fondness for them?
Do you hook up in cars now? No, but I want to, you know,
like I see it on the apps where people are like car playing.
That would be fun. Yeah, see, I see it's not as fun
as. No, no, no, no.
And you're like trying to get comfortable trying to get into a
position 'cause I know like I'm also of the generation where
like road head was like a thing. Like people at least talked
about it a lot. Like, oh, I'm driving, she's
sucking my Dick. It's like, it's hard to do that.
Like it's hard because they're kind of at like a decline.
And like, then you're like trying to get their pants and
they're driving like it's a, it's a real to do.
Yeah, I've only, I've done that once and I think I was just the
provider. You blue?
Yeah. Nice.
Yeah, he may have blown a red light or something, but
everything. I heard it.
Yeah. I want to check my blood sugar
real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a low in the. That's live.
Oh yeah, no, I I mean, I'll. Potentially.
Unless you pass out and then I'll be like.
Oh then that would be really good TV.
Let's see. OK, I'm just going to have a
couple gummies just in case. And I'll also by all means keep
your monitor near you. Yeah, I don't.
I didn't realize it wasn't. It would have sounded, but
sometimes like you just know. Yeah, I knew, my body said every
bottom right before he shat on someone.
Diabetes is all about listening to your body.
Wow. Yeah.
My friend Jacob, who is diabetic, Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's every time we hang out,
he's injecting himself. He's using meat, he's still
using a pen. He's not using a pump or
anything. No.
Interesting he. That's interesting.
Do you think that's a good nostalgia thing?
I think that people have a hold up.
I think there's a couple things there is comfortability with
wearing something both personally and also externally
like other people. I don't he probably, I'm sure
he's like well established and like feeling confident in
himself. So probably not that.
But there's also the I have great results, why would I
change it? But what a lot of people who are
using pens don't realize is just how many extra decisions and
mental distress that they have because they manage like that.
That would go away with a pump and that's in.
Fatigue, but it's like. Decision between yeah, people
with diabetes, they say make like 180 more decisions, micro
decisions a day about like diet, like I wake up is my blood sugar
high? I, I, I start breakfast.
OK, I have to give myself blood sugar now.
Oh, I have a meeting at 11:00. Well, I don't want to go low.
Oh, I'm going on a podcast. I don't want to go low for that,
so I'm not going to eat. Oh, I need to get my gummies.
Oh my PD Ms. over there Let me get.
It what am I going to do? Like that's right.
So it's a it adds up to like 180 decisions.
And then it's like you go on a hike and you forget the gummies
in the car and you're like, can I get back down?
I've had some, yeah. There's like scary situations
that have come up that are. Damn, well I'm not jealous.
Good. Yeah, I am.
I I'm also like proud and thankful that I could like, turn
it around. Well, beyond struggling with
like a mystery ailment, like being in the solution must feel
very good, and like learning more must feel good.
I'm very thankful that I've been able to take my diabetes and
turn it around and use it for, to help people because it gives
me a sense of purpose. It gives me a sense of like, OK,
This is why I have diabetes. If I didn't have that going, I
think I'd be a lot more like, depressed about it.
Yeah. Because it'd be one more thing
to to fucking survive in this country, much less the world.
Now it's a bit of an identity and, yeah, passion.
That's great. Yeah.
Community. Like you said, people come up to
you like, Oh my God, I love your stuff.
We actually, before we forget, plug where they can, where Tower
Bottoms can find you. They can find me at Diabetech,
DIABE, Tech TECH anywhere. Like every platform, I have a
podcast, The Diabetic Podcast, but I do a lot of fun stuff on
social media that people even without diabetes.
Can enjoy comes across their desk Yeah, yeah.
So you are fucking in cars fucking or at least sucking in
cars. And this is still high school.
Yeah. And then so beyond MJ and BJ,
what was it like finding were you out at this point?
I came out during National Coming Out Day like it really
does something. That's so it's.
Really incredible. So National coming out Day, I
believe was a Friday. Almost came out to my grandma in
the car that day, but I didn't. But then the next day, that
Saturday, I came out to my mom and then my mom like couldn't
hold it. She was like, we're telling your
dad. Oh, oh, oh, in a good way.
Not like, not in a good or bad way.
They had to know. So yeah, you'd think they had to
know 'cause but like my mom, I think my dad had an inkling or
like, thought it was possible my mom was just like, ignorant to
it or oblivious to it. Yeah.
And do they have a negative? So or.
Concerned. Concern.
This is a phase. I remember a moment where my mom
kind of almost like broke down with me and like was like kind
of made it about her of like, I and I, you know, wanted to have
grandchildren, all this stuff and like, just.
But like, it wasn't it. It was a lot, but it it wasn't
like, you suck like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like. She was just seeing the negative
things that might come with. Yeah, the situation.
And then years later I'll find out from my sister that my mom
actually started seeing a therapist or a psychologist
something. After you came out.
Yeah, because she knew that the problem was with her and not
with me. And my mom's never told me that.
My mom doesn't even know I know that.
I hope your mom never stumbles upon this podcast.
I know, right? It's.
Beautiful. Like, I know that's so stunning.
I love that she did that and my dad was like, my dad knew gay
people. My dad was super chill about.
It great, yeah, Your dad also had a gay pop up on his
computer, so maybe your dad dabbled in a little bisexuality.
Yeah, no, no, but I do. I could.
I wouldn't be surprised if that was like he was watching.
I know he was watching porn on his computer at work.
OK, so this is high school. You've come out on coming out
day. Are there any other gay people
in your high school besides MJ in you?
So MJ graduates and I am the only out person in my in my high
school and I'm out at that point.
So at that point, once he leaves and he was two years older, I
was the only person out. OK.
And was that OK? You know what?
It was pretty OK. Like no one middle elementary
school. Middle school made fun of a lot.
Yeah, high school never made fun of to my face.
Oh, great. And maybe, maybe I don't even
know. If that's all you can really
ask. For I don't, right?
Exactly. I don't care if you're saying
shit behind my back. My back.
If anything, you're scared to say it to me, so back on.
I was confident. I mean, I think that there, I
actually think that there was a sense of respect that was gained
that people were like, wow. Good for him.
Damn yeah out and proud. I mean something I.
Actually was like I started the OR there was AGS, actually there
was AGSA, but I was, I became the president of the.
I started mine, but as a straight person.
And then I like had a soft coming out when I was 16,
officially coming out freshman year in college.
But I was like, obviously gay. I like did musicals and like
ballet and stuff. And I was like, I just want to
be a good ally, you know? You're an ally ally girl.
OK, So are you on line? Are you horny?
And are you looking for gay stuff?
I'm like semi horny. I'm like 50% horny right now.
It goes. Oh, right now.
Back then, but I'm glad. I mean, I was going to ask you
now. Anyway, yeah, I am actually.
Can you turn off the camera? I'm like super horny right now.
OK this. No, we're keeping the camera on.
Honestly, I need. So this isn't the new We're
talking high school, yeah. You're the only gay person.
OK. And are you like?
And and like there's a drought, OK, right.
Because there's no one your your pool is gone.
Yeah. So are you looking though like
on the? Adam was probably the go to.
And did you, do you remember any, are there any highlights or
low lights from this period of time?
There were so a few nice little moments, like dates with random
guys that didn't really go anywhere, but just nice moments.
And then there were a lot of older men that I did things
with. I think I just was like really
into that when I was younger. And actually that I didn't even
like. That was kind of that first,
those first visuals I was looking at.
I was really into like much older men with much younger men.
Daddy Boy. Yeah, yeah, that was like what I
was into. I'm not into that anymore, but
that was what I liked, I guess, because I was the boy and I
wanted the man. Do you think you'll be Daddy at
some point? I don't want to be.
Forever boy. OK, you know that's that's the
answer then. Yeah.
And I'm not looking for daddies. I'm right now I'm more so like
looking for just like a regular. Yeah, like a yeah, like a venti
Grande. I don't know.
OK. So OK, OK, then we go to
college. I go to college.
Well, I was, so I went to Emerson College.
Oh, is that here? It's in Boston, and it's like,
well, yes. There's a campus here.
There is a. Beautiful building on.
Sunday. And they do a lot of, like,
journalism. Yeah, OK.
And it is one of the gayest schools in the country, OK.
Yeah, so did you have a lot of gay stuff happen so.
No, I mostly had straight friends, which was weird because
I, I, I moved in. I had five straight roommates,
which is crazy. Because this living situation.
This was the yeah, and it was amazing.
But this was the type of school where they were ganned.
Unless proven straight, that was.
Nice, yeah. Which was a great place to be,
but I only had these straight roommates and then I then all of
their like girlfriends or girlfriends that were on our
floor. So I mostly was friends with
straight people at Emerson. It just worked.
I think I didn't really feel like I related with a lot of the
gays at the school at the time, and so it wasn't actually until
after college that I had my first gay friend.
Wow. I had lesbian friends, but my
first, yeah, my first like guy, gay friend.
That's really impressive that you avoided that college.
Gay college is when I met some of my best gay guy friends.
Yeah, I don't know what it was. I mean, I guess I just.
Then were you hooking up with guys who weren't on campus but
in the surrounding area? Yeah, it was a it's a school
town, so I was having sex with, yeah, people from every school.
Basically. I had a list.
Disdain for gay guys your age at school.
I think there was something about the Emerson students, a
lot of them. And I mean, The thing is, I'm a
theatre guy. Yeah, theatre gay.
But maybe there was a pretentious vibe to a lot of the
the gay guys at this school that I felt that just wasn't.
Doing it for you and also we are coming from the origin story of
you daddy boy, where like these guys all look like boys to you
and you're like what? Get away.
Yeah, I I was still, I still did like older men, more mature.
I liked more mature guys, sure. Yeah.
OK, so college happens. Where do you go after college
here? I come here, so I Emerson
brought me out here through an internship program.
Cool. And then what?
What you made your first gay friend.
So my first gay friend was also my boyfriend.
I'm wondering if it. And he was also 16 years older
than me. OK, did it start as a friendship
or did it start start? Yeah, we work together.
But you were interning. He was like employees.
PA Yeah, I was production assistant.
He was a video editor at the. OK, that's cute.
That's cute. Yeah.
That's like a, that's like a quiet guy.
And I would he was a quiet guy. Yeah.
And I would like go around to all the offices and be like,
what do you want for lunch today?
And maybe like. And I love, I love going to his
office. And then I would hang out a
little bit. And this was like when we were
just kind of like getting to know each other, but I would
already hang around. So he kind of, it was, he's kind
of, he was kind of oblivious to it.
I actually. On the spectrum?
A little bit, no. Maybe.
A little, honestly, maybe a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah, I do.
Yeah. Yeah.
He's, he's got like ADHD. He's definitely like spicy.
Yeah. Well, The thing is too, it's
like he's 16 years older, so he shouldn't be oblivious to a
young guy laying it on. Do you know what I mean?
I wouldn't. Think so?
Well, I had to. I had to make like the first
move. And how did that manifest?
Well, so we're just friends at this point.
I'm obsessed with him. I I just thought he was so cool,
like he was just so interesting. He had this beautiful four story
loft in downtown Los Angeles. Did you know there's a there's a
Pershing perching Pershing Square, Pershing Square.
It's on Pershing square. There's perch that there's a
restaurant perch. It was across the street.
This he had. Four stories.
Yeah, between him and a roommate.
And it was huge, lofty, like the top bedroom was all brick but
looked like you were in a cathedral.
I've been to a party at this place.
You've been to his. Place I've been to it was it was
like an outdoor patio thing that wrapped around you went to his
party with like gargoyle, like not gargoyles, but like you felt
like you were on the top of like a hunchback of Notre Dame sort
of yes so. When was the party so?
That was his party. Funny.
I may have been at that. Party.
I mean at least at least 10 years ago.
Yep, Yep. So that was it.
'Cause I was still drinking. Yeah.
Do you remember who threw that party?
No, OK, that was I never knew where I was.
I was just, I was at places. Do you remember the occasion?
No. No, OK, so that what like I was
like just like. Yeah, yeah, like.
His life, him, he was so cool. He like had this like he was an
adult and established. And so we're just friends and
but we're like, we wound up hanging out and then we wound up
hanging out this entire day together.
Well, that's pretty. Huge though to hang out with
someone from work, right? Like you're APA, He's a video
editor. Like how did it like hanging out
to be? Fair.
Like he was a freelancer there, so he would come and go.
That wasn't like a bad time. So he'd be there for like a
month and then leave for a month.
So there was this sense of like, he's not a full on Co employee
and he wasn't necessarily my boss.
Great. He would, he was like above me
on the ladder and I would, I would do tasks for him.
Yeah, exactly. So that night, we, we go by
speaker, we go to Best Buy and buy these speakers.
He wanted these like $3000 beautiful speakers.
We take them back to his place and his friend calls him and is
like, he's like, oh, you should come over with your partner.
Like, let's have a Molly night. And at that point, I guess I had
done Molly in college a little bit, but I was like, I was like,
oh, yeah. And so we do.
We have a Molly night and we're just like singing Wicked with
these new speakers. He has lights.
Do you remember his lights? He's at his place.
Yeah. OK.
He has beautiful lights all around that were moving like he
knew how to throw a throw a party.
And there was this moment where we were rolling.
And there's also a hot tub. Do you remember the hot tub?
An Infinity hot tub. Navy.
It was the neighbour's Infinity hot tub, but no one lived in
that that unit. And he somehow figured out how
to Jerry rig that Infinity hot tub and get it to work.
And so he he would use it all the time and, and somehow the
building never saw the electric bill going up or something.
That's crazy. So we're getting geared up to go
into the hot tub and like, he's like, he's like, it's him and I
in the kitchen. He's like, yeah, like this guy,
blah, blah. He's talking about this guy that
like isn't showing him attention.
And I say to him, I'm 22 years old.
This man is 37 years old or 36. And I say to him, I'm like, do
you not even notice what's right in front of you?
And that was the moment. And then you guys kiss.
Yeah, wait. But what's he really does sound
oblivious, totally oblivious. Wait.
But also, that's so bold of you. I mean, maybe that's the 22 year
old's gift. If I if a guy was talking to me
about a guy he likes not liking him back, I'm like, well,
obviously he doesn't like me because I am right here.
And like, wouldn't you take this as your opportunity?
But. I think he was speaking like
very conscientious of my age and just respect.
You're just like, you're not a thing.
Yeah, like he's like, yeah, it's not even.
It's not going to happen. Like this isn't what he wants
kind of thing. I don't know.
It seemed respectful. That's great.
So he was pleasantly surprised. Yeah.
So you're like, do you not even see what's right in front of
you? And then you kiss him.
Yeah, it was like mutual, Yeah. That I mean this is the problem
though with Molly because like talk about first time orgasms.
How do you even compete with the brain chemistry shit going on
when you kiss your crush while rolling and about to get into a
hot tub? Like it's too many positive
things. It was incredible, Yeah.
That night was one of the best nights of, you know, it's
definitely a marker in my life. Like.
We're not dating anymore, but like that was just a beautiful.
Did you have full sex that night?
No, OK, I don't think I could. Did you see each other's
wieners? Yeah, yeah.
Did you guys fool around with the friends that were there?
No, they were very much doing their thing.
We were doing our thing in that hot tub.
Yeah, it was. I mean, and we're in an Infinity
hot tub overlooking all of downtown Los Angeles and
Pershing Square. I.
Remember those views? 22 years old.
This is cool. When I was there too, I was
like, this is unreal. This is unreal.
It felt, yeah, very yeah, magical.
Very LA. How long did you date?
Here we dated for a year and a half.
This long time. I knew halfway through that I
was probably not gonna. I just was so obsessed with him
and I, I looked at him like as this like he was a mentor.
He really was my mentor. He started teaching me like more
about video editing and got me. I would work for him like and do
photo shoots. He had like a whole photo while
dating while dating. So it was like this work
relationship and this mentor relationship like, and I was
looking at him as like this, just like this idol, this older
brother, this, this, this, this very God gay father that I never
had in my life. He's also like Daddy Junior.
Yeah. He's like, not full Daddy, but
he's definitely a mature guy. Yeah.
Maturer then, yeah. And so halfway through I was
like, I think I'm just like really obsessed with him and
love him being in my life, but I don't in the sex wasn't there.
But I let that go for a while 'cause I was like so excited and
I wanted a boyfriend. He was my first boyfriend, my
first at 22 years old, my first long term boyfriend, my first
yeah boyfriend. Wow.
Was the sex just not there in a mechanic's sort of way, or a
desire versus interest? Or was it just like?
Mechanic's worth thing, OK, definitely.
And I think that as time went on, I was, it was more like, I
find him so cute, then I find him so godly, godly attractive
it you know. Yeah, you.
Yeah, You adore him. You don't wanna, like, do crazy
things with him. OK, So this happens.
You're still young when this relationship ends.
What's the longest relationship you've been in?
That one. That one.
OK. And do you feel a certain way
about that? I have dated around and OK, let
me start from the top of that. No, that's right.
I think, do I feel a certain way about that?
I've wanted a a long term partner since then at moments of
my life, like it's got I've got it in and out of like I want to
be single. I want a partner, I want to be
single. So yeah, like I, I'm, I feel
very ready right now to be in a long term relationship.
I don't feel like I'm, and I don't feel like I'm
inexperienced. Like I've had enough four
months, six months, two months to really get an understanding
of what I'm looking for and what I'm not looking for.
And I at this point, I'm not gonna just be in a relationship.
To be in a relationship. I know exactly what I'm looking
for. Obviously it's not gonna be you
know, I just know what the red flags that there that exist for
me and and who's right, So I don't waste, I just don't waste
my time with things that I know aren't gonna.
And sometimes it's a know it when you see it type thing.
Wait, do you want to like in a manifesty sort of way, tell us
like what the guy is like? What what the long term guy is
like? Like what are his attributes?
Oh my God, if you get me a boyfriend out of this, I owe
you. Like coffee breakfast like.
Oh, your boyfriend's worth coffee breakfast.
How about a car? How about a + 1 to the wedding?
OK, yeah, no ring bearer. Yeah, like, I mean.
Like we've been dressing as a dog.
Yeah. And I'm gonna and I'm gonna walk
down with it tied to my. OK deal.
If you're out there, you know this is legally binding this.
Is what I'm looking for. OK, you know the first two
things that always come to mind? First two maybe it's one is
passion for something it could be pickleball and it can be your
career it can be art just like you are passionate about
something it lights you up yeah. And drive, I guess drive goes
with that like you're driven and you're.
Participating in life. Yeah, yeah.
So I'd say, like, those are a couple characteristics that
really stick out to me and you need to make me laugh.
I can't be the one that's always making us laugh.
Like it's always the worst when you get back from a date.
You're like, we laughed so much. Wait a second.
We. Laughed 'cause I was the funny
one. No, it needs to be like
somewhere around 5050. Sure.
Yeah. So they need to be funny.
And then all of the people I've dated have been bossy bottoms,
blonde, blue eyed, balding, not saying that.
All those things. Yeah, yeah.
The, the, the five BS, balding, balding, bottom blonde, blonde.
Yeah. The balding one really throw
throws throws me. They just all have a receding
and they're like receding hairline, OK, balding and you
like that. No, it's just consistency.
I'm consistent. I know what I like.
That's just like I I always have ended up with people in with the
with the five BS. And you like, OK, OK, so some
part of you must like the bossy bottom of it all.
I'm a bossy bottom, I'm a bossy verse bottom.
And I do like I do need the person in my relationship to be
like affirmative in lots of ways, including sex.
And then they just happen to all all be like bottom oriented like
verse bottoms. So you have no problem dating
another bottom. I don't think I could date a
bottom. I believe I could date a verse
bottom and up. OK up to top.
Verse top I don't think I really.
A full top. Yeah, it's just too much work.
Oh sure, always being an empty booty hole, no.
I don't got time for that. Is OK, so a lot of people are in
their side eras. Are you still firmly in anal
land or? That's good to know.
No, I I love a side moment. Like, not like having to have
anal. Yeah, that's that sounds great,
right? I love all the other things.
Cuddling, cooking dinner, kissing, hugging, massage me.
No massage. You already said you're a bossy
bottom. I'm a bossy verse bottom.
How does OK, how does that manifest though?
Is it like I'm? Yeah.
I just like if I'm riding the Dick.
Let me write it. More often than not, I like to
take control and I, I think it's like giving up.
I, I will give up control, but like I just, yeah, I like, yeah,
it's exactly that. Like I like to be on top and at
least in the beginning and be like I'm controlling the
situation. OK, a power bottom.
I don't know if I'm a power bottom though, like I don't
know, like I can't go for hours. I don't want power.
Bottom is like he's like using the tops like.
Dick. Yeah, I'll do.
I'll do that. No, but I like to be connected
during that. So like my legs will still stay
connected to them, OK. You know, like I want to be as
close to you as possible. While I'm doing that, wait, do
you have a favorite? Is a missionary your favorite?
Is that what that's called? Yeah, well, no.
Missionary is like he's between your legs and your face to face.
I like looking at you. Yeah, Yeah.
So either that or riding it them laying on their back.
Yeah, I like don't know the names of things.
Cowgirl that I like cowgirl. Reverse cowgirl is your back
would be to the top. I actually not opposed to that
if I could turn around and still kiss you.
Here's a hack. If, if, Oh my God, it'd be like,
actually me sitting on this couch and you seated with your
back on my chest and then like, you're like, back-to-back and
like, the kissing is like happening over the shoulder.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm into that.
Yeah, OK, So you're, you have experience with the the five BS,
but you're open to brunettes. Oh, absolutely.
OK. It's.
Just yeah, it's just happened. Always landed but.
Interesting. OK, so we're nearing the end
here. Let's play a quick round of Hot
or Not I list things. Oh, actually wait, we we can end
with this. Actually, how has being type 1
diabetic affected your sex life? So the good news is that oh, OK,
it had let me think about how it's affected my my sex life.
I know I feel it's. Definitely made it's definitely
made sex more. I don't really think about the
diabetes It's but it, but things will come up where I'm like
having sex with someone and all of a sudden I hear like an
alarm. Yeah.
And I'm going low. And when you're low, you get
dizzy, you get anxious, paranoid, sweaty.
So like that will happen. I'm just like I do.
I think I do a pretty good job of choosing the people that I do
sleep with now, even if it's just like a grinder hookup, kind
of gauging that everyone's really been supportive in that
and not annoyed or freaked out. I also think I'm a pretty good
communicator of like I'm having a low like this is my pump.
This is my CGMI mean I just need some sugar.
Let's just like sit around then we can talk a little bit or
something. So it, it, I mean, it does add a
little bit of complications. I mean, I also like there have
been times where I'm having sex and like my pump rips off.
Is that painful? Not, not too bad.
It's not. It's not that bad, but it does
add, it adds vulnerability instantly to the situation,
which I'm not always trying to like do that right away, you
know, or trying to keep the moment going.
And it can sometimes be like, you go from like this hot sex to
like, oh, I'm vulnerable right now.
I actually need you to be the supportive person and not like a
sexy demon, whatever, you know. So I'll occasionally like, yeah,
I'll have to take breaks with people and I, I do my best.
I have to think about sex before and not just the booty hole, but
like I have to think about what did I eat before?
How much insulin is on board? Maybe I have some extra snacks
now. Do I put on activity feature
which like sends my glucose a little higher?
Just to be so funny. 'Cause it's a workout and
working out raises your insulin sensitivity, which then means
that the insulin works better, which means it will drop your
glucose down, which means you could go low.
Wow, that is a lot of mathematics, like quick math.
Yeah, but I also think it's, I also think that people find it
hot that I am taking care of myself with this technology,
that I'm so educated by it. They like being taught it.
Like when I'm on the dance floor and I'm like, and someone like
is starting to grind on me, I take their hand.
I put it on my pump. I'm like, that's my pump, That's
my CGM, you know? This is my handle.
This is when I get all low low sugar.
Yeah, and it's, you know, I try to make it fun and educational
and not take the sexiness out of the vibe, I guess.
Keep it, keep it light, keep it fun.
OK, so then yeah, let's play a quick round of Hot or not and
then we'll wrap things up. This is I list things and you
tell us if you find them hot or not.
OK so threesomes and or group sex?
Oh, I only have two options. I mean you can explain.
I think they're hot, but like, I do not do it ever really.
Oh, so you're you're a one-on-one guy?
At least at first. I'd.
I'd prefer that. Yeah.
Like, I'm not like an orgy person really.
I mean, although I'd be down. OK, wait.
I've never invited. Like, no one invites me.
Like you invite me to an orgy. OK, you have to pick you and the
love of your life or an orgy. OK, OK, absolutely wait.
And then so it sounds like actually you wouldn't ever need
to go to an orgy or have a threesome.
If you have like your dude that you really like cute.
Let's see rough sex or sex that could like leave a mark.
Not right hair pulling or pulling hair.
Not pulling, but grabbing. OK.
A firm touch. Firm.
Yeah, like take it and hold it and don't let me go or vice
versa. Don't let go, Jack Oral.
Hot. Which is more hot to you, rim
jobs or blowjobs? Is this giving or receiving?
Yeah, you can give a different answer for both.
OK, so blowjobs, it's hotter for me to give.
Give. Rim jobs hotter for me to
receive. OK.
True bottom, Yeah. True bottom, yeah.
Yeah, like I don't want to. Like I'll fuck it, but I don't.
You don't need it. Only if, like, we know each
other really well and, like, you showered and I'm really in you
and you're my partner for life. Like, yeah.
There's so many, so much in the fine.
Print. Yeah, but I'm not like craving
it. Sure, nipple play.
I you can you can lightly touch it with your fingers or your
mouth, but please. Don't, don't bite.
Pull or bite or. Are they sensitive?
I guess so, yeah. They must be.
Yeah, balls. Neither hot nor not.
OK, just I'm indifferent about balls.
They're there, they hit you in the face, which is nice, but
like I'm not trying to like I'm not like outwardly like trying
to suck them. I.
I in my older age I've grown into liking balls already.
Like, notice when they're nice. I'll have to start looking at
the balls more and I'll let you know like if I can.
You got to give him a rundown like like he's a dog competing
for best in show, you know, like cup the balls and be like.
I did help someone get diagnosed with prostate cancer once.
Yeah. I've actually saved 3 lives.
But we'll, that's another podcast.
Wow. Yeah.
So he, like, owes me.
Yeah. He also gave him an STD.
He was more grateful. Yeah.
Yeah, obviously. OK.
And the last thing is, what is a piece of advice you give to your
younger self before he began his sexual journey?
I mean, confidence is key. I think that that's confidence
is the most sexy thing there is. It's the biggest turn on and I
think when that clicked for me on an Atlantis cruise when I was
23 years old, my entire life changed.
Wow. Yeah, Amen.
Amen. Way Amen.
Thank you so much for doing this.
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Also watch the YouTube. He's a cutie patootie.
And until next time, keep sucking and fucking.
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