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Anyway, enjoy the episode. Mikey Angelo, that really rolls
up the tongue, actually. Oh, thank you.
Mikey Angelo. Yeah.
My parents did their big one. You, you are a
singer-songwriter, music producer, rapper.
You have a very large, large presence.
Mikey Grande yes. Which star is Ariana fan account
stuff. But now you like, it's more
like, it's like a lot of recaps, right?
Yeah, yeah. It's like a recapping pop
culture and just like everything that's happening on your
timeline and like memes and stuff.
Yeah, but you are a thriving songwriter and performer.
What does that look like? We'll talk about sex in two
seconds. But like what?
What's the Do you have a goal in mind right now?
Is it like, do you have an album out?
No, no, I don't have an album. Yeah, I would love to that.
That's actually a big a big goal of mine.
But right now I'm just kind of like I've, I just had my first
studio sessions with like music producers the other day and it
was like this. It's the scariest thing 'cause
you just walk into this room with nothing planned.
Like you have to create something out of nothing.
And like, I had been pushing that off for so long just 'cause
I was so scared really. And I finally did it and like,
it went so well. I I'm like kicking myself that I
didn't do it so much longer ago, but like.
You're doing it now. Yeah, I I ripped the Band-Aid
and we're here and it's so much fun.
And I'm like, I'm genuinely like, I see like a transition
from being like a Tik toker into doing like music full time.
And Oh my gosh. That's the dream, to do music
like. Wait, that's so cool.
The whole the session, they're called sessions, yeah, or
whatever. And then are you, do you like
date around with producers or how did you find your producer?
Do you what I mean? It is kind of like dating.
Yeah. It's so funny.
You like shoot your shot and their DMS like you're like, hey,
like I had to like like DM a bunch of producers being like,
hey, I would love to get a session with you.
And and like 2 of them reached back and were like Oh yeah,
let's do it. Oh my God.
Yeah, so you. Slid into the DMS of producers
I. Know and they and it worked yeah
it was great. And then with that, like you
had, how long was the session? Each session was like 5 hours so
it's like all an all day thing. Wow.
And you? Kind of just like snack and hang
and like what about this? Are you thinking this?
So you could go in with a very flushed out idea or you could go
in with nothing. Or are you supposed to come
blank slate for both of you? Yeah, I came in with, like, a
couple ideas of, like, stuff I would want to write about.
But yeah, you go in and there's no beat.
Like you watch him, like, make the beat in real time and kind
of just describe, like, the kind of music you're wanting to make.
And then this guy I worked with, Oh my gosh.
His name is Marky Styles. Shout out to Marky.
He it was just incredible. Like he got me talking about
just like my life. And I was like, it was like a
therapy session and it was kind of scary, but he was like just I
was like, I don't know if I can put into words like what I'm
going through. And he was like, well, just try
to just start talking and who knows.
So I started talking and then all of a sudden he started like
playing the piano and it was like, is this becoming a thing?
And then I said like a specific thing.
And he was like that right there.
That's it. Oh my God.
By the end of it I was like, this was so fun.
I I loved it so much. It was incredible.
I'm trying to think of what that's when he first started
talking about it. I was like, oh, it's like
tableside Glock. Like they, you come in, they mix
all the ingredients, the other. But that's so that's so much
more. That's like improv with creating
a song that might be around forever.
Yeah, absolutely. It was so fun.
It was, yeah. I loved it.
OK, so Tower Bottoms the end lookout for Mikey Angelo's
thriving music career. But to talk about sex, let's go
back to the beginning of your story.
Do you remember the first thing that made you aware of sex?
Or like your coochie tingle or horny?
Horny downstairs? Yes.
And I've actually never said this out loud.
An exclusive you. Know what?
We're going to get into it today.
Yay. I have a lot of embarrassing
stories, but who cares? Like it's so this, do you
remember the movie 13 going on 30?
Yeah, of course, of course. So this was circa 2000
something. I don't remember how old I was.
I was probably like 9 or 8 so. Young you were born in 98.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was like around 8
years old when I watched this movie and there's a scene in 13
going on 30 for y'all who have seen the movie and maybe there's
other gays out there who can relate to this.
But it there's a scene where there's a man in his underwear
and he's like tighty whities and and he's like dancing on a
coffee table or something and like.
The Bulls was there. And I remember as a kid having a
reaction to it and like looking down and getting my first boner
ever. As a.
Child, like a lot of people say that you can't get boners as a
kid, but I was like, I was definitely bricked up as a kid.
Like so that was the first time I was like, Oh my God, what is
happening? And I remember going back after
watching it with my family and rewinding the scene and like
every time that scene would come on, it would happen to me.
And I was like, what is this? It was like is this?
Witchcraft. Wait, how do you play out?
OK, this is jumping ahead. But like, you know, random
boners. They happened a lot in like
middle school, high school. But like you're getting bricked
up with like family sitting like behind you or like are you
laying down? Like what's like how are you
hiding a boner? Or are you even hiding her?
Are you like what's wrong with my Dick?
That's this. That's the most embarrassing
part of the story is that because obviously I was an
innocent kid. I didn't know anything.
I like I told my whole family, I was like, you guys, why is it
like when this scene plays like this happens and like I didn't
obviously I didn't have it out or anything, but I was like, Oh
my gosh, you guys like. Kidding.
Yeah. Yeah, so and like my siblings
all scream like my, my older sisters, they were like
screaming and like we were playing it and like look like
like it was like a it was like a thing.
I. So it wasn't shamed.
They were just like. No, no, no, no, not at all.
Wow. Wait, was was anybody using the
word gay at this point? Or was anybody or was it, was
this like a happy memory? Yeah, yeah.
OK, OK, OK. Yeah, no, this, I don't have any
negative, like, feelings about this memory.
But yeah, I didn't really know much about gay.
I grew up Mormon, so I was like very sheltered.
Like I had no idea anything about being gay or sexuality or
sex at all. So it was like none of us kind
of really knew what it meant. It was just.
Do you remember how you first stumbled upon more information?
Was it like Internet vibes or I? Think it was.
Well, I think it's also just after that.
That was my first memory of like, seeing a bulge and being
attracted to it and then, you know, like.
Bulges are great. Bulges are great.
And then yeah, it's like the common thing.
We're like going to to Walmart or Target or something and
seeing the. The underwear pack.
The underwear and like looking at the bulges.
Also, I desperately wanted to undress a mannequin.
A full size mannequin. Those mannequins, yeah, they
they really be. Bulgian.
Yeah, somebody. Or it's a full.
It looks like a billiard. Like a ball, you know, from a
pool table. Do you remember your first
orgasm? Yes, I do.
Yeah. Yeah.
So this it kind of goes hand in hand with my first time seeing
porn and it was on accident. I was trying to look up a video.
There was like there was this web series on the early Internet
days called the early YouTube days, not the early Internet
days. It was called Salad Fingers.
Oh yeah. Rusty spoon.
Yeah.
So we were, my siblings were obsessed with it, but they had
like a website that specifically was was that.
Ebaum's world Or is that something different?
It was OK, OK. I felt like it was like
something, it was something pie mouth or something like that.
OK, OK. And I typed in the wrong thing
like I think I typed in pie. Hole.
Oh, OK, OK, OK. Pie hole instead of pie mouth.
And that was the first time seeing like naked erect penises
on in like anything. So I was like, Oh my gosh, this
I kind of I was like, this is crazy.
I put it down. It was like stuck in my mind
like the next couple weeks and then I little by little would
like search for that specific website again and like watch
more and more each time like a little bit more.
And then finally I like touched myself to it and didn't come
like I came, but like not nothing came out like it was.
Like, Oh yeah, but you had like a.
Yeah. And do you remember yours?
Like it's, it's so intense. Like I thought it was dying.
Like it was so scary. You are in the majority of
people who said the same thing. They're like, what was that?
I learned about it in like, I'm older than you.
We were like check out books or like movies that like had sex in
them from like a library situation.
And there was a book that explained masturbation.
And I was like, that can't be that can't be real.
Like the man will stimulate his penis.
And I like, followed the instructions in the book
basically. And I came like a like, very,
like a liquidy, like water almost.
Oh, my God. And I was like, OK.
And then I was like, then I was like, let's was the same for
you. Was like, OK, we're doing that
more. No, for me it was like instant
guilt and shame and like I, I remember cuz yeah, I just, I, I
was so sheltered I didn't know anything about sex.
So I remember Googling afterwards, can you get aids
from masturbating? Like I was like, I think I have
like an STD. Like that's how like naive I was
to everything. And I was like, so scared and
like, I was, yeah, just really hard on myself about it.
I felt like I sinned and it was like this really intense thing.
But then I obviously started doing it again.
And yeah. OK, talk to me then about the
influence of your religious upbringing with, like, when did
you realize you were gay? Did you ever identify as gay?
Yeah. Yeah.
When did you realize you were gay?
Did you fight that feeling? What, Jenny, would you talk
about it? Was it a big secret?
Yeah, it was. I would definitely.
I definitely fought being gay a lot.
But also I feel like I was the most flamboyant of my four
siblings. The three of the four of my
siblings are queer. I have a gay brother and a
lesbian sister. So very queer family.
Wow. But I was the most flamboyant.
My voice was super, super high pitched and like, I like to sing
Kelly Clarkson. Yeah, yeah, everybody just kind
of I I, I was called gay before I knew what gay was like at in
school and stuff. So it was a big insecurity.
And it was something that I was like, I was told so much that I
was like, am I? But I would I would like fight
it so hard. And I remember like repeating to
myself over and over, like you will marry a woman, you will
marry a woman, you will marry a woman.
Witchcraft. Yeah.
And I remember, like when you're a kid, like you really think you
could do it. Like I was like, I can actually
fight this for the my entire life.
I can just force myself to marry a woman and eventually maybe
I'll come around. Maybe.
They don't just fall into place.
Maybe they can start making. It yeah.
So yeah, for a long time as a kid, I was like, I kind of knew
deep down, but I, I was prepared to, yeah, hide it my whole life.
At what point did you well, I should ask, when do you remember
your first sexual experience with another person?
Yes, yeah, that was, that wasn't until high school and it
actually was with a guy. So I'm a what do they call it?
A golden *? Or a Gold Star.
Gold. Yeah.
I've never been with a woman. Engaged with a vagina.
Yeah. Tell us about this guy.
And then at this point, had you come to terms with the gay thing
or were you still like, I'm going to push this down, but I'm
a, I'm a have a taste test. A taste test.
So let me get a little sample. Could I get yeah 1 scoop?
I want to see what this is all about.
No, I mean, even still when it I was a maybe a junior or a
sophomore in in high school, even still, I was trying to
suppress it as much as I could. It was like a secret
relationship with a guy that I met in drama.
The drama. At your school, though.
Same. Same year.
Yeah. Oh my God.
Wait. I love this.
I hope it has like a happy ending.
No, no. Oh, you were you.
Were in for a a rough time. OK, Does not have a happy
ending. No, but that was my first time
doing anything sexual. I remember the first time I
tried bottoming, it was like we used.
Was it with him? Yeah, I was with him and we used
lotion. And it like, did you get, like,
did it hurt? Absolutely.
Yeah. It didn't really work.
And like, burning inside maybe? Oh, burning.
And then like definitely terrible idea.
Do not do not do that. I don't think anyone would but
like. Well, no, I mean that was
definitely of the 2000. Well, just, like, I'm trying to
think like, there was a period in time where YouTube and TikTok
weren't, like, explaining how to do everything.
So it wasn't like we were Googling, like, how would have
anal sex as a teenager, you know?
Exactly. Yeah.
Wait, but this guy was all of your firsts then.
Yeah. And then talk to us a little bit
about, like, how you sussed each other out.
Like how? Like was that exciting?
Very exciting. It was like, it was visceral.
Like, I remember like hanging out with him as friends and
like, there was just, yeah, we just had like a chemistry and we
would have sleepovers. An like that first experience
with another guy. When you're like slowly inching
your way to making moves like maybe you like, put your hand.
And then like there's you feel that and then neither moves it.
And you're just whole body is like shaking and like your heart
is pounding and it's just like this.
It was. It's crazy.
We all have that experience with like.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, honestly, the first like
I wanna say five years of like hooking up with guys was very
that because he was like, are they gay?
Like OK, are they like talking to me more?
Like are we like touching more? And then like for me it was like
I got drunk enough or they we got drunk enough combined and it
just like off to the races. Yeah, was your was your first
kind of similar like a a friend that turned into to more than
friends. Or like was the I famously
sucked a Dick before I kissed a boy.
So it was like actually a straight guy who to my knowledge
is still straight, but maybe just like a good friend.
And he was like, you can suck my Dick.
And I was like, OK, and I did and it's great.
But then freshman year in college, I went away for school
dorms. Facebook was new.
Like Facebook started my freshman year in college and we
all, we found each other. Like we all all of a sudden,
like one of the cheerleaders for the school was in my DMS and I'm
like, hi, what's up? And then like that was I'll
never forget too with that guy. We made out and he, it was the
first time I had a guy lay on top of me, like, like his whole,
you know, his body weight, like, Oh my.
God, was he like a Was he bigger than you, or was he like a teeny
little guy? He was.
He was bigger than me. You said lay it on.
Lay it on. I didn't even know.
I didn't know. It was like a new sensation.
Yeah, for sure. But back to you with this guy.
OK, so you tell your first Oh, you sussed each other out.
Did you say yet how it happened? Yeah.
But it was kind of just like having sleepovers and like, we
would like, yeah, like, like it would be more touchy with each.
Other Did you share a bed or did you have sleeping bags next to?
Each other. We did share a bed.
Yeah. That'll do it.
I remember the first night that we finally, like, rolled over
and, and like, kissed each other.
It was the. Yeah.
It was so intense. And I was like, I cannot believe
that just happened. But the next day I was like, my
life has changed. Like, it was so.
Yeah. I just remember being like, I
I've never felt anything like this before.
It was so visceral and just. Yeah.
Did they have a similar experience?
Yeah, I think I feel like they were probably further ahead in
their journey than me a little bit because I feel like they
kind of were leading me. Like, I still, I was still
coming out of being Mormon and like, yeah, I was.
So you you walked away from Mormonism in high school?
Yeah. OK, yeah, like I went to
seminary every morning at like 6 before school.
And yeah, I was. I started high school being
Mormon. Was your family Mormon?
Yeah. And did they stay Mormon?
And how they feel about you not being Mormon anymore.
You know, luckily we all, my mom and my queer siblings and all of
our all of us, we all left at the same time, pretty much.
My dad's the only one who's still kind of in it.
But no, yeah, luckily we all left at the same time.
So there was no talk of damnation for gay stuff.
No, no, not yet. And like, we were never like
like strict Mormons like that. Like, I never felt any judgement
from either of my parents about it.
So, you know, that was like a really.
Yeah, that obviously meant a lot.
That was like a big thing for me.
Yeah, you're lucky. Yeah, it was just the church in
general and like what they believe was like what was kind
of ingrained in me. Sure.
So. OK, so with this boy, how long
were you together? And like, how did it end?
So we were together for maybe 4-5 months, which like when you
have your first boyfriend that's like a long ass time.
Also, were you thinking like it's forever?
Yeah, I at the time I was like, Oh my gosh, this is it.
Like I was like, I, yeah, it was amazing.
It was the first man I ever loved.
And like, I was. Yeah, it was.
We just, we were, we had to be in secret, too.
And there was something about, like, keeping a secret
relationship that was so, like, exciting and risky and like,
yeah. So that just like heightened all
of it. But nobody knew that we were
gay. He was caused to too.
And so we would, like, run around the drama department,
like, when people would leave, we would kiss behind, like,
corners and steal kisses. Yeah.
So it was it was it was really
cute. But as these things often happen
in high school relationships, it got really messy.
At some point, he started getting more comfortable being
gay. And I was like not there yet.
And that just caused like all sorts of problems ended up like
telling people about us, which I got really upset about.
And it's, I don't remember exactly what how it ended, but I
remember that like he egged my car.
We broke. We had like a messy breakup.
Damn, you took me right back to high school when people would do
shitty things like that. Like you would wake up and see
your car like egged in the morning and it was like.
Your house TP. Something.
Yeah. And like, I couldn't talk to
anyone about what happened, obviously, because yeah, they
didn't. Nobody knew.
So flash forward. We have this messy breakup.
It's like we're we're, we have bad blood and we have to see
each other at school. Whatever.
Are you both juniors still? Are you seniors now?
We're juniors, yeah. OK, OK.
My SO flash forward my my little brother, he's two years younger
than me. He joins, he he gets into high
school and he joins my drama department and I noticed him
starting to like kind of become friends with with this ex who's
and it's very this breakup is very new when this happened like
no more than like a month, but nobody knows about it.
Nobody knows. So I see my little brother join
the drama department. He makes friends with all my
friends which like at the time I was like can I not have my own
life? So I was already feeling like a
little territorial and like annoyed.
It's like a brother, a sibling thing, whatever sure.
But he they started hanging out more and more and I was like I
don't know what to do about this.
Like this is this feels really weird.
Also the X should know not to right?
Absolutely. I almost felt like he was, like,
doing it out of spite, kind of like, sure, it just, yeah.
It felt very strange. I didn't know what to do.
It got to the point where I started, like, hearing my ex's
voice in my house. Like, my brother would invite
him over and they would be, like, hanging out.
And I would have to, like, see my ex in my home.
And it was just like. And pretend to be friendly.
Pretend to be friendly. Like it was so rough.
I Oh my God, it was, it was terrible.
On the outside, did people think you just had a friend break up?
Because like, obviously you were like friendly to each other
before and then like, you break up and now you're like, I get me
away from this guy. Yeah, I forget exactly like what
lie. I can't like what excuse I came
up with for why we stopped being friends, but like I had to just
go with that. It was my only thing and so I, I
remember telling my brother about it.
He like kind of just brush it off and like kept hanging out
with him more and more. I'm thinking my brother is
straight at this point too. I do I have no idea that my
brother is also gay. Oh my gosh, insane.
So one night I finally, like, break down to him.
And I'm like, I have to tell you, this is my ex that you're
hanging out, that you're becoming, like, close friends
with. And I just spill everything to
him. And I'm like, this is what went
down. I'm gay.
Like, this is the first guy I've ever been with.
Can you please, like, not be friends with him anymore,
Basically, like stopping him around.
Is that OK? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK. So.
I'll close these things, but keep going.
I'm listening. I'm listening.
So. Oh, they're closed.
Yeah. Like it's, it's, it's
interesting how these really do just pick up your voice.
Oh, OK, that's good. So it's isolated.
So anyways, yeah, we had this like, long, deep talk.
I spilled my guts to him. And then maybe like a week later
one of our mutual friends. This is so like convoluted and
crazy. I'm sorry if this is like a lot.
No, I love it. I are you kidding?
This is like, this is like very hot Goss, but like obviously for
people I will never meet. Yeah, So one of our mutual
friends, this girl who was also in drama and happened to have a
crush on my brother at the time, she called me crying and being
like, I was at this like sleepover, hang out with your
brother and the blanks. And they started like making out
in front of me. And she was like heartbroken.
Like she was sad. She had no idea, obviously that
it was going to affect me that way, but.
When you had your coming out to your brother, did he also go I'm
gay too? No, OK, no.
So yeah, I still didn't know until.
This moment, God and like and you're like.
My heart sank 'cause I was like, I just like spilled my guts to
him about that and now they're like making out and whatever.
So I was so distraught that that's how I came out to my mom.
I just like yeah, right after that I.
My brother's a slut. I went to her and I was like
mom, I'm gay and so is amazing and and he's dating my my
brother actually came out to my mom before so I didn't like out
him like he had already come out.
Like you didn't know that though.
I didn't, but like, I was distraught I was.
No, no, no, your siblings. That's an interesting playing
field. Yeah, my poor mom though, like
just having this sprung on her that like all this, not only
does she have two gay sons, but they like.
They're Eskimo or they're, you know, Scissor Sisters or
whatever it's called. So I came out to her.
It was like this big dramatic thing.
She like brought me to his room and tried to like settle it.
And it was just, it was a mess. It was really bad.
Oh my God. So then what?
What happened? Did they?
They they. Ended up dating longer than me
and him did like they dated for like 8 months after that and for
the next 8 months like I wouldn't talk to him.
We had it was me and my brother had just like the worst like era
of our relationship ever. Like we, I, we hated each other
like we would not speak to each other.
I was so hurt by him and like now we we talk about it and we
laughed that we like had the same first guy and like I
totally understand just talking about how visceral and exciting
that experience was. That's what he was going through
too. So like.
And he uses an upperclassman exactly, which is like oh.
Yeah, so it's like, I totally get it.
Looking back, it's like it is what it is.
It's so funny now. It's just like a a funny like
high school thing, but in the moment it was.
Oh my God. So awful.
Intense. Yeah.
End of the world scenario end. Of the world, yeah.
OK, so this is high school. Did you have other flings in
high school or or relationships in high school or?
That was pretty much it. I think that was my one.
I think that was my one time. Like I had girlfriends in high
school too that like that was pretty much it.
It wasn't till college that I started like hooking up with
guys and like that weren't my boyfriend or that I weren't
dating. So that's when like my hooking
up started. Talk to us about it.
Yeah, I mean, I was grinder. I mean, it's so that was my
first. And where were you?
This was in Albuquerque, OK, Yeah.
Albuquerque grinder. Albuquerque Grinder.
It was just such a yeah, I just didn't know it it existed, but I
had like, heard, I started hearing things about it from
like, other gay people and it kind of piqued my interest.
And so like, yeah, I got on there and the first guy I met up
was met up with was a married man, actually.
Wow. Yeah.
Do you remember, like, OK, so you had this like high school
guy and the next thing you did was grinder?
Was it motivated by horniness or by wanting to be in another
relationship or just, I guess, general gay interest?
I would say horniness, yeah. I think I was just like wanting
to dip my toes back in the pond 'cause I had, I had like taken a
break after that experience and was like, OK, maybe I'm not gay
'cause that was the worst experience of my entire life.
Oh my God. So it took a while of like, not
trying to like, fight it again. And yeah, I didn't give in until
like, yeah, it was later on in college and stuff.
But do you remember the married guy scenario and is that a type
for you marry like a a a straight married man?
I mean, definitely not straight anymore.
I and I think daddies in general are like one of the biggest
types of mine. Like I love a daddy.
I love a good older daddy. Scruffy bears, any like, yeah,
just daddies in general are like a big type of mine.
So I think it had nothing to do with like I didn't seek out a
married man. Absolutely.
Not but it just I. Remember showing up to his place
and like I was like why is he being so?
Like why is he sneaking me through the garage?
And like it was. Was the family home.
I don't know. I still to this day don't know.
But like how I realized he was married is that I saw pictures
up of like him with like a woman.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like. What?
What are the odds that's the sister and his nieces and
nephews? That he's just like gay bestie.
Like, no, yeah, it was. So that was how I figured it
out. But this was a straight up hook
up. Yeah.
Were you nervous? Do you remember?
I was. Very nervous, yeah.
I still get nervous sometimes. Yeah.
Like once the plan's made and like, I'm on the way or they're
on the way. I like, I catch my heartbeat,
like, speeding up, like, OK, it's we're OK.
Like it's gonna be fine or it'll be mid and then I'll go on with
my life. Yeah, it is.
It is a very scary Did was your first on grinder 2 or was it
like in in the wild? No, in the wild, I didn't even
get on grinder till I moved out to Lai.
Got grinder when I was like 22. OK, yeah.
And I'm actually, I've been off it now for six weeks, which
feels very like, like a weight has been lifted.
Oh my gosh, that yeah, that's amazing.
Yeah, it's so funny too 'cause I'm like shooting my shot more
like out and about or just like smiling, nodding, introducing
myself, going to things 'cause I don't know about you or if
you're even still on Grinder or whatever.
But like I'll like lounge at home with like TV or movie on on
Grinder. And it's like, oh, I can't do
that anymore. So yes, I can lounge at home and
like watch TV. But like, I'll probably go out
to watch Drag Race at like a bar 'cause there will be gay boys
there maybe like. I love that.
No, we're this is something we can bond about 'cause I haven't
been on Grinder in like over a year now.
It's been a long time. OK, talk to us about that.
What was your journey with Grinder or the apps in general?
I had a tumultuous relationship with Grinder.
I feel like it wasn't good for my self esteem and also like I
had an instance where pictures I shared with someone ended up on
the Internet and that was like not that was.
It'll make you feel so vulnerable.
Yeah. And it's just like, wow, I can't
trust anyone on here. And like majority, at least in
my experience, majority of the guys on there want to see nudes
before hooking up. So it's like you can't, you
can't really get a hookup plan with someone without sending
nudes. But I knew I couldn't do that
anymore because they would end up on the Internet maybe like,
so it was just, that was like a big part of it.
Was your face in the nudes? No, no good.
OK, this is what floors me. Guys be sending nudes full face,
full face, full body. There's like holding their Dick
like, but I'm like, bro, even if you're like a finance guy, like
you don't want this floating around.
Yeah, it's insane. Absolutely.
Yeah. The faces just be out.
My friend show me we were just like having lunch or whatever
and he got a text he looked at and he showed he just chose his
phone and it's a guy on his back butt hole out and his face is
like like like dude like like literally that's what happens.
Oh my God. Gay friend shows it to the
nearest gay friend. And he saw it.
Yeah, like. OK wait, so how's your year off
grinder been? It's, it's been good, but also
it's, it does get hard sometimes when I am relying solely on
meeting people in Yeah in the wild.
Are you on like Hinge or Tinder or anything?
No, I'm not I'm not on any of the the apps.
So it I do have to rely on meeting people in real life or
like Instagram sometimes like you know, Instagram with the
gaze there's like you connect with other gaze you find
attractive and who knows I. Shot my shot on Venmo a couple
weeks ago. How?
OK, how did that work? Like tell me, did you, did we
send a penny to someone? Could you imagine?
Hey, there's more where that came from.
This guy I met, I was opening for a comic and I always go out
to the lobby after to sell my stickers and just like third
donation based. It's just really a meet and
greet situation and cute tall guy talked with me for a while
then mowed me $25 for my sticker.
I saw that it was him. I'm in a hotel in like Des
Moines, IA like twiddling my thumbs and I was like hey thanks
handsome winky face, kiss face and he was like no problem cutie
or whatever. And I was like what are y'all up
to? Like you can comment under a
transaction. So you just struck up a
conversation? I tried, I tried my trip also
like 11:00 PM on like a Sunday night.
I'm like, go to bed. Like leave this married.
He was married to a guy and they seemed both flirty, but I was
like, they have work in Des Moines tomorrow.
You're getting on a flight. Like just go to bed.
That is so funny. And you striking up a
conversation on Venmo. Yeah, like so into.
So oh wait, I kind of cut you off though.
And you said it can get hard, obviously, when you're craving
like human connection or I guess that's a good line of
questioning. Are you feeling you're in a
hookup area, a dating area, a relationship area of your life?
Like, do you find yourself seeking one of those things?
I'm definitely not in a hookup era right now.
I actually haven't had sex in like since January so it's.
The month is it May. May.
Wow. I know, right?
Oh my gosh. Wow.
And when you say sex, what do you mean?
I like penetrative sex. That's what I like.
So if you'd OK, what about mouths?
Oh yeah, easy. So I have to ask.
Follow up question, I haven't bottomed since January.
OK, that's what I should have said.
Sure. OK, OK.
Yeah, my mouth is going on a thing or two.
Super. I'm only human.
OK, so you're not in hookup space but like dates.
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm open to, to dating.
I'm not like looking for anything right now, but like,
open to casual, like fun flirty dates.
Absolutely. Yeah.
And just, yeah, kind of enjoying being social and single and
like, yeah, mingling out and about.
So yeah, I'm not trying to rush into anything, but I'm
definitely more in that kind of zone than like hooking up for
sure. OK, can you tell us any now?
You said as we started, you're like, I'm going to tell you all
of it. Any career highlights and low
lights when it comes to your sex life or like what what what was
in your head when you're like, I'm going to tell you some some
shit. Yeah, I mean, I, I guess I, I do
have a lot of stories. One of my career highlights I
would say is getting with being with my first porn star, Telus
in LA. It was very exciting because
like I had watched his videos and like was fantasizing but I
had shot loads to this. Yeah, I was going to say.
So that was the like I slid into his DMS and like somehow it on
what platform? Instagram.
OK. And I realized he lived really
close to me. And wait, when you said slid in,
was it like a hey, just want to say you're really sexy or hey,
I'm a big fan or what? What?
What is it? What I'm taking notes.
I'm like, how do you, how do you approach like porn?
Star did you Yeah, yeah, it was it was like, hey, big fan of
your content like that's great embarrassing about.
I mean, they must get it 72 times a day.
Yeah, and obviously that can only mean one thing if I'm a fan
of your content and you're a porn star.
So like. Can I ask, are you sending it
from your account? Yeah.
Cool. Yeah for sure.
I have nothing to hide. I was like, I don't think he
would have seen it if I didn't see it from my account.
So he probably has like 1,000,000 twinks in his DMS like
all the time so. Is that what he normally is?
That who he normally FS? Yes.
I don't know why I just censored myself.
That's crazy. The things I've said on this pod
and then I just went. That is who he normally has
intercourse. With so did you kind of see
yourself reflected in his content and you're like, this
could be a match? Absolutely.
Yeah. There was some.
He's like, he's like a really big guy.
Like just a huge man. A huge and his whole thing is he
like, oh, I don't want to give it away.
Yeah, I know. That's OK.
There's a lot of guys who probably do this.
He like lifts up his bottoms. In the air, yeah, I've seen that
a bunch of. Them up, throw them around and
like, that was just something I had also never experienced and,
like, fantasized about too. So being tossed about, yeah.
What are your stats, how tall and how much you weigh?
I'm 510 and I'm 120 a £120. Oh my God, I'm shorter than you
and fatter than you. OK, so wait, you slid in and
then. I slid in and he was like
flirting back and was like oh I like your content too.
And I was like, OK, So what should we, what should we do
about? It yeah, also like, what have
you jerked off to which? One of my wrapping videos really
gets you off, yeah. Wait, so you're like, we should
hang out? Yeah, I was like, we I realized
that he lived close to me, so I was like, well, if you ever want
to hang out, I'm like right next door.
And then, yeah, he was like, oh, why don't you come by whenever,
like next week or something, like we planned to hang out.
And he followed through on that plan.
Yeah, Wow. So I got already.
I did the whole bottom routine. I was like, I can't believe I'm
about to have sex with a man that I fantasized.
Was that determined at this point or was it?
Do you know what I mean? I think so.
I think we didn't outright say that that's what was going.
To happen, but you're like, I'm going to his home I'm.
Going to his home. I'm not going to, what are we
going to do, play video games? Like I was like, I think I knew
what was going. To happen OK, OK, so you you do
share another thing, yeah. Yeah, so I got already gotten my
cute little crop top. I got like extra Twinkie for him
because I know that's what he likes.
Frosted your tips. I frosted my tips.
I swinged it up for the man. I put on my highest pitched
voice. I got.
It was like, I was like, it was, it was great.
Also just it, it was a good like ego boost for me 'cause seeing
the the other like super hot twinks that he fucks all the
time. And I was like, he he chose me.
I still have it. Yeah.
So I went over and it was like exactly what you see on his
videos but have so I got to like live out like the exact fantasy
that I had with him and it was just as good as I imagined.
How soon did the hook up start when you went over?
Did you like kiss at the door? No, we didn't kiss at the door.
I remember he he was coming in from like a hike or something.
Like he went outside, he had no shirt on.
He was drenched in like sweat and and like sunscreen and was
like I could tell he had just like hiked and then he brought
me up. We sat down on his couch and
maybe talked for like 5 minutes before he, yeah took control and
started and trading. No, he didn't.
Did you like that or did you not?
Like that, I mean, I'm not someone who like seeks that out.
I'm not like that's not necessarily one of my kinks.
Like I don't like look for that, but I don't mind it either.
I'm like, especially if it's someone I'm into like that and
like, it is what it is. Like I will.
I'll yeah, I'll take a sweaty man any day so.
That's so exciting. How do you?
Feel about sweat, are you? Oh, sweat is fine.
I always say like a a midday man where it's like he showered.
He did put on deodorant. Now it's halfway or 3/4 through
the day and like his scent is fighting with the fake scent.
Yes, OK. I definitely I don't want Musk.
I don't want it to be like, like, pungent.
Yes, yeah, yeah. But like, if it smells like a
human being that I am attracted to, yeah.
Mixed with like a little Irish Spring.
Yeah, like, OK, he did scrub a dub dub.
Absolutely. I feel that I'm.
I'm pretty aligned with you there.
I kind of had a porn star experience too, where I met my
one of my favorite porn stars at Pride and I was like, Hey, just
got to say big fan of your work. And he's like, oh, thanks,
cutie. And I was like, where are you
headed? And he's like, hey, I'm
following your cute little butt. And so we find out we live like
2 blocks away. We text, I go over there.
I like fully don't know how I ever thought this was going to
happen. He's a huge Dick, like huge.
And like when it came times like he was going to like fuck me.
I was like, I definitely like, I like pivoted and I kind of reset
the room and I topped him. Look at you.
We and we are going to exchange who these people are right after
the PUD because I'm dying to know.
But yeah, the same guy. It.
I mean, it could be. OK.
So wait, that's a beautiful highlight.
And we talked a little bit. Oh, did you have a HO phase
ever? Not really I've I've really
never had a huge HO phase like I can.
I think I can count the amount of guys I've bottomed for at
least on like 2 hands like I'm not.
How many hands do you need for topping?
Even less like one hand for topping.
OK, Yeah. Wait, OK, so but then what about
your mouth and other mouths? Oh well, that when we're getting
into that, the numbers get a little a.
Little frantic. It's like Dinesh or whatever the
the Indian got with all the arms in the hands.
Yeah. What is like a driving force
when OK, if you were to create the perfect like hook up like,
what would that look like to you?
I, I've recently realized that I get a lot of enjoyment out of
just like being naked and having like hanging out with people
naked. So like maybe nowadays the ideal
scenario would be like prompting it as, hey, do you want to
exchange like massages where we just have like or something like
it's like a sexy, like naked time and it does not have to end
up in organisms. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which like is big for me. I feel like as a as a bottom and
I still do identify as a bottom, but for the longest time I felt
like I had to always bottom. And now I'm at a point where I'm
like, let's like watch porn and jerk off together and like make
out. And that's like probably more
rewarding at this point. Jerking off and making out is
very sexy and you can like take turns like oh, I'm you have a
little bit you're me out a little bit, maybe one of you
bulls the other for a little bit.
But like this make out. Yeah, the like the build up to
what would be penetrative sex. You just stay in like the like
foreplay space. Absolutely.
And I've I've had great pleasure from bottoming, like I've had
great moments. But now it's just like, yeah,
I'm at a point where it doesn't necessarily like I'm not, I
don't need to bottom now and. Is that motivated by it being
kind of a hassle? It being a hassle and also
brings us to my career low. OK, I this is so embarrassing
also, but like someone has to be a spokesperson for this.
Yes, I want to bring awareness to this.
OK, I went last year. I went through what is medically
referred to as an anal fissure. Oh yes, a tear.
Right, Zach? It was.
It changed my life. It was the worst pain I've ever
felt in my life. It was horrible.
I was debilitated. I swore off bottoming.
It was that bad that I like swore off bottoming.
I was like, I'm never going to bottom again.
I can't risk, like, ever doing that again.
Do you know? Did you know the moment it
happened? No, that's the thing.
I, I didn't know. I in the moment it happened, it
was like with a guy who's being kind of rough with me and like
that was his thing. Like he was into being rough and
like looking back at it, I definitely should have spoke up
for myself. I'm not great at like speaking
up for myself. Well, don't victim blame
yourself about the Fisher. Aw, thank you.
Yeah, I. Appreciate that.
Yeah. Yeah.
So like looking back at it, did I see how it happened, just not
enough Lube? Not yeah, just it was too rough.
And was it like not Was it too much too fast?
Too much, too fast and like a lot of yeah, yeah, very like
forceful and just not listening to my my body or whatever, yeah.
Trying to please. Yeah, absolutely.
God, the plight of the bottom. I'll tell you, but like to
anyone out there who hasn't had an anal fissure, like please be
careful with your holes like it is you don't want to experience
it. It is so so bad.
Have you ever? Not to my knowledge.
OK. I but I would, it sounds like I
would know. You would know.
And then also, OK, so this is the thing.
I, you would know more than I because you've gone through
this. Anal fissure is a tear or like a
rupture inside the anal cavity. And it it's very painful because
you obviously use your anal cavity regardless of sex almost
every day. So it's hard for that wound to
like, heal. Absolutely.
And also it's just it's obviously such a sensitive area
so it it affects your whole body.
Like I I could not move without like wincing in pain so I was
like bedridden for like 5 days. A pain that stemmed from inside
your butt hole. Yeah, yeah.
And like the worst part was that I couldn't sleep because
sometimes this develops with people who get fissures.
You're because it's so sensitive.
You will have these like spasms squeeze your that just like you
tense up really fast and it's so pain.
It's like a knife shooting through your body.
So like every time I would like be drifting off to sleep it
would happen and just like cry. It might be.
It was the lowest point. It was so, so horrible.
So that's like to this day, that's why I'm like low key
haven't been bottoming, of course, of course.
You it happened, the pain came, you thought you could maybe
manage it, and then did you have to see like a doctor about it?
Yeah, yeah, I went to a doctor. I went to my gay doctor, love my
gay doctor, and he was great. He like prescribed me some some
great cream and stuff and like I had a heating pad that helped a
lot. But yeah, I was like in hell for
so long. You can fit a whole heating pad
up your ass. I shoved the whole thing up.
There. But do you sit on it?
Is that how? Yeah.
Yeah, sit on it. And like I took a lot of bath
like sit sits baths is what we call it.
How long do it take to go away? Maybe like a week total and even
after the week it was still like I had to be super careful and
like also obviously wasn't eating anything that that that
entire day. So I lost like 5 lbs and was
like. Maybe it's you dreaded pooping.
Yeah, absolutely. It was torture.
It was horrible. God.
I once got a parasite from eating ass and I have not eaten
an ass since 'cause it took about a year to get rid of the
parasite. A year because I had to do 3
rounds of antibiotics 'cause it didn't, the first two didn't
kill it. And so you have to like space it
out a little bit and then like sort of ways of nausea.
My belly would feel hot all of a sudden.
Like it was like it literally, it scarred me in the sense we're
like, oh, I, I, I would love to give you this pleasure.
There's no way I'm putting my mouth down there.
I need like a pressure washer. And did you, how did you know
that that's where the parasite came from?
I guess that's a great question too.
It could have come they also, they could have come from like a
parasite, like on a lime wedge or something like that, like
something as simple as that. But my gay doctor was putting
the puzzle together in that way, like that's how he saw it.
So for a year straight you were having like waves of nausea from
this parasite. Yeah.
I mean, like, but I'd have like a few days that were good and
then all of a sudden I'd be like, yeah.
Oh my gosh, Zach, that sounds awful.
It was bad, but look at us changed.
I know, yeah. Look at us on the other side of
it. Yeah, you're going to be like,
obsessed with guys, Like skinny, skinny Dicks.
Absolutely. And like, this was also an
excuse to maybe like, embrace my topside more.
So we'll see. OK, You said you identify as a
bottom. What's been your journey with a
topping? Do you feel pressure to be verse
in this economy like what's that?
What? What's your perception of how
tops, bottoms versus and sides are like perceived?
Yeah, I don't feel any pressure. I actually feel pressure to be,
I get classified as a bottom most of the time.
And so that's kind of what I just identify as cuz most of the
time it is. And I do love bottoming, but
also I love topping too. Like I've had great experiences
topping. It's so much easier.
Oh my God. It's like literally just show
up. Yeah, just show up once.
We'll figure it out on the day. Once you top and realize how
easy it is compared to bottoming it's like fuck maybe I should
just like jump ship. And also, bottoms make great
tops because they know what's going on.
Absolutely, absolutely. You're so right.
Yeah. But I think yeah, 99% of the
guys who are are attracted to me are like wanting to top me as
opposed to. Sure, bottom me that's what you
kind of project. It's harder to find.
Yeah, yeah. Then again, I feel like tops are
praised, like in LA maybe everywhere.
I feel like guys like tops get more.
I'm saying like they wouldn't see you looking kind of twinkish
and this is top. I think they're like, OK, like
get back there. Yeah, that is, that is true.
Yeah, absolutely. But I like topping.
It's it's great. And I'm wanting to explore that
more for sure. OK, let's play a quick round of
Hot or not. This is where I list things and
you tell us if you find them hot or not.
OK. Threesomes and or group sex.
Oh, maybe like a couple months ago I would have said hot, but
now? What happened in the past couple
months? I, I just think I'm, I think I
can right now because I've slowed down so much.
I can, I can only focus on like one person.
Like the thought of like a Group.
A group stresses me out. Wait but sidebar and I meant to
ask you this, are you going to naked events?
Yeah, yeah, I go to naked stuff. It's like my favorite.
Oh my gosh. And then can you this, this is
going back now tell me a little bit about that because I am I am
intrigued by that. And I have another friend who
goes to them. And do they inherently turn sex
sexy? Or is it always kind of
happening a little bit? Just like not in eye line, like
tell us about an event. It's not sexual at all.
Like it's not. You go into it just getting the
joy of like being naked with other people.
It's like exciting to like be naked around people.
I don't. Know if there's like a brain
chemistry thing to that we're like returning to?
Yeah, absolutely. I think most of them too.
They also have like designated areas for people who want to
like, yeah, play and take it further.
But the enjoyment I get out of it is just yeah, getting to be
like casually naked in front of friends and like people.
I think it's so fun. I love it.
So you go with friends. Yeah, yeah.
It's like a, it's like a, they're all intimate.
Like it's like friend, like game nights or like watching.
Parties or something? Yeah, but naked, Yeah.
That's. So interesting.
It is. It's.
Yeah, it's really fun. It's a good time.
And yeah, everyone's just so free and comfortable and like,
it's sexy, but it's not like sexually driven or, or, yeah.
So it's, it's the perfect mix for me.
I I really enjoy it. I will say it does exist in this
space where it's like, I've only ever been in like casually naked
at like Burning Man, which felt very otherworldly, very like
we're breaking society's norms. So the, the concept of doing it,
it's kind of exhilarating to think about.
Absolutely. And and and when it's innocent
and it's friends you trust and so like, that's like, yeah, why?
Why not? Why not?
Yeah. Oh, OK, back to how are you
fingering or getting fingered? Not really.
Yeah, not these days. Not again.
I was the Fisher before the Fisher.
I would have been like, oh, hot. But I think the Fisher was born
from a couple fingers. And like a jagged nail or
something I. Think it was the fingering,
'cause it was like very rough fingering, bam, bam, bam, bam,
yeah, like boom, boom, boom. I'm like, whoa.
I don't like that. Me either.
Yeah. Also, like, if you're going to
jackhammer, baby, it better be the last 30 seconds of this
experience. I don't need to be pounded into
submission. Absolutely not.
Not yet. That doesn't feel good for
anyone. Sex in a public space where you
could potentially get caught. I'll say hot.
OK, Yeah. I've.
I've never. I've never.
Had OK, I was gonna say did you have anything like that?
So that maybe that is why it's hot to me just 'cause it's like,
yeah, I've never done it. I've seen videos online that I'm
like OK I could get into this. Right.
One time I was so drunk and my friend was like, we were outside
of the Eagle and he's like suck my Dick.
And I was like, what? No.
And he was like, he pulled his cig out and I hadn't seen it and
it was like nice and like pretty hard.
So I did for a little bit and I was like, and we were like out
on the street, like they're by a dumpster, but like out.
And I was like, it was more random than anything.
I think it was just exhilarating because it's like, this is so
weird. Yeah, we already said natural
scent and you said kind of basically.
Yeah, I'm I'm the same with you. Like not too much, but a little
bit is fine. Come.
Hot. Where's your favorite place to
come or become? Favorite place to come is.
Oh, it could be person to person too I guess.
Yeah, I guess it depends. Like if I'm if I'm bottoming my
favorite place to come I guess is like on his chest.
Like if that's hot. Are you like sitting on it?
Yeah, like that's great. That's how if if I bottom I have
to start sitting on it so I can like control.
Control the yeah, absolutely. So that, yeah, that's probably
my favorite place is like on a nice hairy chest.
Oh, yeah, of your bear. Yeah, I would.
They love it too. Yeah, you're gonna.
You're gonna come for me, boy. Kung Fu, Daddy.
Oh. My gosh, I feel like I'm
watching 13 going on 30. I'm getting hard in here.
Daddy like saying like the the the role daddy.
Hot. Yeah, very hot.
Yeah, 'cause you're your boy. Yeah.
I have had guys like take it a little too far before.
Oh no. Yeah, for like.
You're gonna go to church with me tomorrow.
We're going to see your Nana. I had no, literally I had one
guy that was like, it was it's hot to be like, Oh, daddy,
that's like as far as I'll take it.
But like he this one specific guy was like he had a very
specific like role for me as like his youngest son.
He was like, don't tell your older brothers about this.
So get jealous. Don't tell your older brothers
about like your special time with your dad And like it got a
little too like. I think he's reliving something.
So that's why I was like, are you, what's going on here?
Yeah, I wouldn't like that. Yeah, but I wouldn't.
Daddy as a as a role, as a concept is hot to me yet.
There's like a muscle Jack that I blow every other month and he,
despite him being like 27 years old, he calls me boy and I call
him daddy. And I just think it's so funny.
Like it's hot in the moment, but then afterwards I'm like, we got
to stop. That's, that's crazy.
That's your daddy. That's my daddy.
Well, Jeezy, daddy, you know, he's big.
PDA hot. Yeah.
I mean, it depends on the setting of course, but like
definitely hot if we're at like VPL in at precinct, so hot.
Yeah, love that. Have you been to SMD?
I have, yeah. How was that?
Another. Another.
Yeah. Another great place to have some
PDA. It was.
It was great. Is that what we're calling it?
PDA. Yeah.
Affection. Yeah.
Public display of erection. Wait, have you hooked up in a in
a dark room? I've never hooked up in a dark
room. The the first dark room I ever
went to, someone asked me to take a picture and like I don't
get stopped a lot like it doesn't like I don't get stopped
on the street like every day. It's not like a thing that.
Happened. We are recognizable and you have
millions of followers. But yeah, this one darker my
went in happened to I happened to get recognized in and in
front of like a sling and like people like playing all over
asked if he could take a selfie with me and.
I was like, that's. Crazy, It was crazy you.
Did you do it? OK, you're like, you know the
answers. I know I got really
uncomfortable when I was like, I think I just like immediately
laughed and I was like, all right, that was my one darkroom
experience. I promise they're not normally
like that. Thank you.
Yeah. Could you imagine a flash going
off in a darkroom? You see like the horrors all
around you. It's like a crime scene, all of
a. Sudden the blue light like.
Oh my God, that made me think of 10 let's say feet 'cause I can't
think, not for me. OK, eating ass hot.
OK, Would you prefer to eat ass or get your ass eaten?
Get my ass eaten for sure. Yeah.
If I'm going to eat ass, it's like usually it has to be like
someone that I'm like dating or like really close with.
Sure, it's a it's a privilege, not a right spit.
Did these daddies spit on their boy?
Some of them have been known to, oh, I'm going to say not.
I'm like not too big on spit. Like if it happens in the moment
and it's like really charged and like short but I don't.
Like, yeah, you're not waking up in the morning.
I hope I get spat on today. Degradation.
Hot. Interesting.
So then you probably like Dom sub stuff.
Yeah, yeah, Being tied up. Hot.
But I've never. Yeah, I don't think I've ever
been tied up. Yeah.
I hooked up with a guy once. Oh, God, I must have been 19,
and I was drunk and I met him online of some sort and he
wanted to tie me up. And even in my drunk super, I
was like, no, yeah, I don't know you.
Yeah, that's no one knows where I am.
I'm not going to willingly get tied up.
Yeah, it seems like common knowledge, straight guys.
No, not. I know that's something that
really went away for me too. Yeah, like big time went away.
It's like I cringe at the thought of like being industry
guys now. Be by and then we'll talk.
That's hot A. Bye, guy.
Oh, wait. Bye, guys.
Hot.
OK.
Hot. Yeah.
Choking. Not OK.
Yeah, especially like it's like in your like, if it's like
someone that I'm just meeting and they're start choking me,
I'm like suddenly I start panicking and I'm like, what if
this goes too far? And like, I don't know.
I listen to a lot of true crime and like.
Same. And yet I'm still out in these
streets. Hey, can't bring a hoe down.
OK, the last thing in the pod. What is a piece of advice you
give to young Mikey before he began his sexual journey?
Are they? Are you he that they?
He him. No, he him.
OK, OK. I would tell the young Mikey to
just be careful of putting yourself in situations with with
guys where you'll feel taken advantage of or like you'll be.
Yeah, just use your voice, like speak up for yourself and like
don't put yourself in situations where you might be in for more
than what you're ready for at the time.
You're, you know, you bring out something so real because
there's this also thing of like coming of age as a gay man.
I don't know how it is now, but when you were, and definitely
when I was like, there weren't many people guiding us.
We were really relying on the guys that we hooked up with to
be respectful, be kind. But they had no one probably
that was guiding them either. So it's a really like slippery
slope when it comes to finding out what you are and you are not
OK with. Yeah, that's such a good point.
And like, yeah, they, they a lot of times they don't know where
you're at and your sexual journey.
They don't know what, what is too much.
And for me, my yeah, it's like, I don't, I didn't always have
the courage to be like, oh, whoa, whoa, this is not this is
too. I'm not ready for this.
And I would. Kind bear it.
Yeah, exactly. Which is, Yeah, it's like that's
a big part of yeah, what you, what you said.
So I, I do feel like that's the advice I would give to myself is
like, yeah. And then lastly, tell the Tower
Bottoms where they can find love and support you.
Aw, Tower Bottoms, you can find me on all social media platforms
under Mikey Angelo where I update the world monthly on all
things pop culture and yeah, Spotify and Mikey Angelo just
put it on a new song with Jinx monsoon Cool and yeah, going to
be releasing more music soon so. Of course, thank you.
And until next time, keep sucking and fucking always.
Hello, Tower Bottoms. It's me, your host, Zach Newry.
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