Jordan Thule. Hey, Zach.
Thanks for coming on the pod. Yeah, absolutely.
This is our first time, like having a real like one-on-one
conversation. Yes.
And it is a sex podcast. Yeah, but does that scare you or
freak you out at. All.
No, I don't think so. OK.
I think maybe like five years ago or 10 years ago, I
definitely would have, yeah. But.
How old are you? 31.
OK, I was like would that make you 16 or like should I not be
talking to that version of? You start at four years ago.
Wow, 31. OK, OK, yeah.
How long have you been in LA? Two years.
I grew up in LA. Oh, OK, OK.
So I went to college when I was 18 and I moved back two years.
Ago. Got it.
Yeah.
Did you do East Coast at all? No.
OK yeah, fuck the East Coast, fuck the.
East Coast. I don't need the East Coast.
Where are you from? St.
Louis, MO Oh, OK. But I went to Indiana for
college and then I moved out here and I've been here 17
years. Oh, wow.
Yeah, it's been in it. That's awesome.
Yeah. I love it.
I love it too. I'm like, I, I'm so used to it.
Everybody complaints about the same things, but I, I like it.
And yeah. I mean, you have traffic.
This is the thing too. People in the East Coast like,
oh, traffic, traffic, traffic. Have you tried to get from like
the Upper West Side to Brooklyn? And you that's taken you an hour
too. Or even like Brooklyn to
Williamsburg. You'd think they're right next
to each other and they're not, no.
They make it sound like we're like the traffic city.
No, it's congested there too. The only difference is they
could look at their phone while they go.
I know from 1:00. To the other, well, I look at my
phone. Yeah, with less, you can really
lock in on the subway. I mean, there's nothing more
scary. I walk around a lot because I
live in West Hollywood. Everything's pretty walkable.
But I'll look into cars, people just driving these one ton
machines like this, like looking down into their lap like it's so
it's so scary. And, and every cop is looking at
their like, laptop, yeah, it's an even bigger screen.
Yeah, that's got to be so interesting.
They're they're like looking up everybody's details and stuff.
I would do that for sure. Background.
Everybody's. Anybody who looks weird to them,
they could look them up. I'm sure they're doing it
constantly. I would just use it.
If I saw like a cute person, I'd look up their license plate and
be like, what's their whole deal?
And I'm relatively mentally well like do.
You ever have something that your parent told you when like a
long time ago and then you get older and you go wait what the
fuck? Yes.
My my dad told me long time ago that in the 70s if him and his
friends saw a hot girl it they would bump into her car so that
they can get out and talk to her.
And I guess that was back when cars had huge like bumper car.
Bender. Bender Yeah.
This much better but it's insane.
You get older and you go what you like.
What accident so horny you like bumped into her.
That's insane. That's crazy.
That's assault. It really is.
My mom actually told me a fucked up story too.
She was visiting her sister, my aunt, when she was a teenager.
My aunt was like 21. And they're walking back to my
aunt's apartment and they get jumped to these two guys jump
out of an alley with a gun and they hold them up.
They robbed them. Oh my God.
And they gave them like a, a few dollars, some crappy jewelry.
And they're about to like go their separate ways.
And my aunt goes, she felt like bad, I guess.
And she's like, I'm so sorry. We didn't have anything.
I live right there. Oh my God.
No. And my mom jumped in and she
goes no, no, no. There's nothing of value there
either. We don't even have ATV.
Why don't we walk with you until you find other people to rob
like we'll like help you find? For the robber.
It I don't it's an accomplice at that point you're like we're
we'll make you look more like like OK.
Yeah, that's like an origin story.
And she's like, I thought I was clever.
I'm like, you're a criminal anyway.
OK, So. Oh, for those of you who don't
know, Jordan's an incredible comedian.
You I know for sure have a Don't Tell set out?
Is that like the main thing people should go to check?
Out. Yeah, OK.
Yeah, clips online and don't. Tell us and maybe a podcast
again in the future. A podcast with a very flimsy
premise. Coming your way.
OK, OK. Is that it's because it was too
much of A premise before? Yeah, I think I'm like kind of
backlashing. Can you say what the premise
was? The the old premise.
I had a podcast in like 2014. Oh my God. 16 probably.
And it was, it was like mainly me and another comedian friend,
like the joke was that it was a bad idea.
We used to be awful comics. We all were drowning in irony
and like you know. But it was the called the Birthy
Birthday Show. And love it about birthdays.
And we would take like, whoever the guest was, we would find
their birthday and like, give them like fun facts about it and
like trivia. I love this so far do.
You like this and it's so joyous.
Yeah, it it was. It was just very silly, like
which of these is true? And like making up games about
it. And then it had like sound
drops, my friend was like making songs for different segments
that I would. OK, now we're getting extra.
Yeah, it was a lot. It was too much.
I like the flimsiness of if you took the birthday thing, like
finding out your guest's birthday and then looking up
astrology stuff, looking up famous people that they were
born that time and then like quizzing them and stuff.
Yeah. And I.
Think that's what it and the guest is like, there's that
natural. They go like, oh, I didn't know
that. Yeah, of course.
Why? Would I?
National Hot Dog Day? I had no idea.
Exactly. Yeah, but the new one is just
gonna be like a show up and chat.
Jordan time, yeah. At the Jordan zone an.
Hour with Jordan. Yeah.
Jordan cast. I respect that, too.
Keep it loosey goosey, keep it fun.
Have your friends on. Yeah.
For me, it's just like, I do this to use it like, do you
know, do you ever have too much like, kind of like too much free
time on your hands? Sort of, Yeah.
And then it's like, well, at least this is like something I
have to do. You know, I find I, I either
have existentially dreadful amount of free time or I have
absolutely no free time and it's never in between.
Which do you? Also, which you prefer would say
the existential dread? But like, right now, I feel very
busy. I have a bunch of things I'm
working on and I'm like, kind of like missing the times where I
would like, play Fortnite for four hours and just like, be
hanging out. So that sounds nice.
But I would have like bouts of depression in that time.
And those times it doesn't happen as much now because I'm
so distracted. Of course, so and that is the
the crime involved. I remember in February being
like I had been traveling a lot and I was like, I wish I was
just like in LA for a bit cut too.
I'm in LA for a. Bit monkey's paw, get what you
want. Panicking, I'm like, I'm done,
I'm done. I've aged out.
No work for me. Like, yeah, too much, too much
time to think. I know.
Well, that's what straight about travelling is.
You're on the go, so like, you can't get back to that e-mail.
You're on the bus. Totally.
Yeah, you can't write that thing.
You're on the plane, you're doing something.
Yes, you're sitting and you're looking at your phone, but
that's doing. Something you're travelling
working? Yes, that's working.
OK, let's go back to the beginning of your like, sexual
journey. Do you remember when you were a
kid the first things that made you aware of sex or dare I say,
like horny? Yeah, OK, let me think.
Wow. As a kid I, well, I remember
kind of the first things I was like looking up on online.
You like? Fully had Internet when you were
like, yeah, becoming a curious kid.
Yes, but the like it was like a bit of like proto websites, but
I I would go to likeplayboy.com sure 'cause that's like what I
knew to type in outside. Ofboobs.com.
Yeah, yeah. Boobs Playboy.
Totally. And I, I was like, pretty, I, I
had a friend who would watch like hardcore porn, like right
off the bat. And that was too scary for me.
I kind of do that. So I, I would do these like, I
remember something I was really into was these, I think it was
on Playboy. It was like these slider puzzles
where you would solve a puzzle and it would like, make the
image like, yeah. I can picture it, it's.
Like, very slow, and like the vagina doesn't freak you out by
coming too fast, you know? But you gotta know where it's
gonna. Be it slowly flicks into place.
That's so funny. Were you of the era of like
downloading porn clips? Like did you do that on like
Limewire or anything like that? No, my brother did that and
thanks to this day that I didn't know he was doing that, but.
Did you guys have a family computer?
Yeah. Well, he, this was his big
gambit is he had an external hard drive smart and he never
put together that I could take the external hard drive and just
put it into a different computer.
Plug it in. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
A few years later when I got a computer, it was weird stuff on
there, really. Yeah, it was like.
Wait, I don't want you to like. I don't want you to like, be
like. You have to take that out.
I also don't want to thank you for catching that.
I don't want to say either, but. My brother and like he would
talk about this, he got into furry stuff like furry stories,
but like in like the early, late 90s, early 2000s like that blew
my parents mind like they did not know what like are we having
our son committed like do we need an exorcist?
Like what is going on? It's.
Scary and this is also that saying my brother had weird
stuff was also like on the backdrop of me being like
nervous about it in general. I think it was like a gang bang.
To me that was. Sure.
You're doing violence against women?
Yeah, I also love the porn. Scared you at 1st that when we
found a video at my friend's, my friend's dad had a video that we
put in and I was like this isn't real.
Like whatever is happening is not real.
Like, I just didn't understand that Dick's got like that and
like. You know what I mean?
It blew my mind. Right Oh this is another like
that just like triggered a memory which was.
He start weeping, I. Haven't thought about.
This. My, I think I was like with
playing with my friend at my house and one, we were like
talking about boners. Cause like when you're, when
you're a little boy, you know what a boner is.
You don't know what it's for, but you know, you totally know
what it is. Yes.
And then I, my dad said something like, he, he did that
thing where he's like, oh, don't say that.
And that's what made us go, wait, why?
And he said, 'cause they're sexual.
And I went, what do you mean they're sexual?
And that was like starting to like put it together.
Woo woo, the puzzle piece from the Playboy.
I'm saying. Oh.
Together. Oh my God.
It's so trippy to think back of when we didn't know I.
Know you know another one is. Oh my God I love this.
OK. In Austin Powers or no, it's
Wayne's World. In Wayne's World, there's a line
where I think Garth says like sphincter says what?
And I asked my dad what's a sphincter?
And I swear to God, word for word what he said, He said it's
something deep up your butt that when you touch it, it makes you
go. Oh no, that's not even right.
That's so wrong, it took me so. Long to realize that wasn't
right. I also think he meant the
prostate. He was clearly confusing it for
the the prostate. But props to your dad for
knowing something in his butt made you go woo.
I know, crazy that that's what we were.
We went to these people for guidance and they fucking told
us stuff like that. That's why we needed the
Internet and playboy.com. Thank you.
Yeah. There needs to be there needs to
be like an adult TikTok, like really let loose and like talk
and show things that you like, need to know about.
That's true. Yeah.
I it's. And it's funny too that like, I
personally haven't felt the woo from that.
And I'm like, did my dad? Had my dad to that point.
He did, but I think it's crazy that he knew about it but he
didn't know. Right, that's what makes me
think. Maybe he didn't, but he's like.
So like, I could never. He's so homophobic, I can never
see. Is he really?
Oh yeah. Oh, then woo up the butt
doesn't. Even track doesn't track.
Like he was calling us my dad's nuts, but he was like calling us
the F word always as it was always just something we were
throwing around. And it was just like constant.
Oh my God. Yeah.
And he's like. Is he still?
You know, yeah, I think so. I was asked, like you, I'll
often times I have a gay guest and I always ask like what was
the vibe on the subject of gay in your house?
But like, were your parents pretty?
Like not into gay people? I actually still, I don't think
my mom, my mom is seemingly indifferent, but my dad, like
I'm pretty sure, yeah, he's like what?
He's Auntie Gay. He's Auntie.
Yeah. I was like Andy, That's my
grandpa's name. That's not my he's.
Andy as he's. Andy, Andy Junior.
He yeah, he it was always, I mean, also like in 2005, a lot
of people were saying gay. Oh for sure.
For like. I don't know if they were
calling their kids the Efsler, no.
I but no, I like I, I would be with my brother and I would
like, I would want to go to another store to, to look at
shoes and that was gay. That was like.
Yeah, OK, listen, I called a lot of things gay like, and I still
do in a funny, funny way, but I know what you mean.
Everything like dumb was gay or the R word.
Or yeah, yeah, but yeah, I think so.
And then I, I, I actually when I got into college, I.
Congrats by the way. Thank you so much.
I, I'd like to thank I, I, well, I, I guess part of the, the
sexual journey is I think I had a few years where I thought I
was gay in, in like, in when like teens.
OK, Yeah, The next question was going to be, do you remember
your first orgasm? Yes, OK, we can start there,
which was just. I'm excited and I won't forget
that. OK, I'll.
Come back to that thing later, OK, OK OK.
But first orgasm was much later than most of my friends.
I think I was like in like 10th grade maybe.
Did people were people talking about it?
Oh yeah. OK, like in middle school people
were talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And stuff. And I would just be like, yeah,
totally. Were you a late bloomer or OK?
Yeah, I think I I still can't grow a beard.
Aww. But you have this I.
Look, the tedious bit. Yeah, hold.
On I mean it's, it looks, I mean it's, it's like shaped, but it's
like there, that's. As much as it it like, it just
becomes anyway. Whispers.
It's whispers. Oh my gosh.
Does your dad have a facial hair?
Yeah, he has a whole beard. Bullshit.
Maybe it'll come in. Yeah, I think so.
I'm a lady bloomer. You're 31, Yeah. 31 It's coming.
You're a child. I still, I look in the mirror
and I go, it's really coming. In I go, this is the year.
OK. So you had your first in 10th
grade. Do you remember like what the
circumstances were or are you like, it's time?
I think it was like it's time. I think I was like rubbing
myself and I was like it. I remember, yeah, jerking off in
my bed at my I was like my, my dad moved in with my
grandparents, so I was like at my grandparents house.
Did your parents split up? Yeah, my parents were divorced
and then my dad got like, removed from his apartment and
went into rehab. Oh, OK.
Yeah, he. Is he sober now?
Yeah, he's sober now. Nice.
Yeah, he was sober for 18 years. Relapse somewhat recently.
Oh my God. And yeah, the night of the Don't
Tell taping, which is kind of crazy, which was like.
That's how bad yourself was, Yeah.
Was he there? No, luckily I didn't even get to
see the text until the next morning.
Thank God. Could you imagine you're getting
ready to go on stage for your taping?
And Dad, We can't find Dad. That would have been, you know,
what's crazy is during the set I said because I was doing jokes
about him and I knew he was going to see it.
I never do this. I went my dad's 18 so but give
it up for my dad and the whole crowd clapped for him and that
night he was relapsing. Isn't that crazy?
That's. It's crazy.
I know it's really odd. I told him we were like in the
hospital the next day. He was all fucked up and big
laughed in the hospital room when I told that story.
Oh, good. That's good.
Yeah. Even from him.
Yeah. OK, well he was still drunk so
he thought it was funny. Wow, I really want to know more
about that. But we that's your dad's story.
And if I ever talked about in the pod.
I'll ask him, but yeah. So in 8th grade he got like.
Oh moved from his apartment. Physical when everybody shows
up. Intervene.
Or like intervention, yeah.
And then moved in with my grandparents and then, yeah, it
was like. And so horny at your
grandparents. House at my grandparents house
like upstairs and there's like 2 twin beds in a room.
My brother was somewhere else. And after that, that's like all
I did on the computer. Yeah.
I was, like, obsessed and like, there's my parents had to know
that all of a sudden I was super interested in the computer.
Like, also like, I I think that, like, now it's pretty obvious
that if you jerk off, you can, like, come into a rag or
something. Yeah.
But that took me a long time to figure out.
So I would, like, run to the bathroom and come in the toilet.
In the toilet. Yeah.
So that was another like high stakes thing of like every time
I would have to like. Sprint down the hallway.
Crazy. That's OK.
I don't understand you. That's crazy.
Yeah, Like, yeah. Because, like, the toilet paper
exists. Tissues exist.
Didn't even cross my mind. Wow, I'm done like that.
Like, I got to get rid of the evidence.
Wait, so then as you're nearing completion, you, like, hustle
down the hall? That's dangerous alone.
I know. What do you run into someone?
It's ridiculous. It's in your hand, you.
Know it's funny, I haven't thought about this until right
now, but this is that that was a thing.
Maybe I'll do a joke about. It I love it.
It's crazy. It's one of the funnier things
I've heard on this hot. It's nuts, but it OK, but it
obviously at some point you realize like, oh, I can come
into something. I think it's 'cause that first
time it was so surprising and I made such a big mess, so unhappy
with the mess. I was like, never again.
That goes. It's like pee, it goes in the
toilet. Wow.
OK, OK. Do you remember your first
sexual experience with another person?
Yeah, I have a bunch of weird stories.
I. Whatever you feel comfortable,
you know what I mean. I don't want you to like.
No, I don't. OK, OK.
OK, OK, OK. How should I tell this in a way
that the cops don't? One time, this is the first time
somebody else saw my penis, which was I was like, you know
how I don't know if you were like this, but in, in high
school, it was like we had like a friend group and there were
like 4 boys and four girls and there was like best friends.
But also, sometimes people would date and sometimes you'd have a
crush on one of them. Like Dawson's Creek?
Yeah. AW, we were like all at a house
one time. Parents were gone, we were all
drunk and two of them decided that they wanted to suck my Dick
together. Girls girls and I did not want
to. I was like scared.
So I said no for a solid hour and like one of them was like
way more drunk than the other one.
And then finally I said yes. And it it probably lasted like
20 seconds. I didn't even come.
It was just like they just kind of like, well, that was crazy.
I think they just wanted to have the moment of like this is so
crazy. But then like one of them was
the person my friend was dating. It caused so much drama.
And then also people were like, you know, she was really drunk
when she did that. I was like, I don't even want
to. I said no, I got.
I got falafel. What about her, my friend?
Who was sober with her? What about?
Her This was part of your core friend group.
Yeah, crazy. Isn't that crazy?
Crazy. Crazy, crazy.
So that was the first. I was like that, 'cause I, I
don't know if every, I don't think those guys are like this,
but I was very nervous to show anybody my Dick.
Yes, guys are like. OK, but but the the common idea
is that people whip it out. Well, yeah, but like, like you
said, like a you weren't like asking, you weren't asking to do
that in any way. So immediately.
You're on the wrong side of the Yeah, if you like if could you
imagine if two guys like we want to eat you out to a girl and she
was like, no, thanks. And you're like, come on.
And she like takes her pants. You don't even like.
It's. All kind of like yucky, I mean,
but obviously teenagers, obviously friend groups,
obviously drunk, you know, and you, you.
Fine line. I was like, uncomfortable.
Yeah. But no, they yeah, that's not
cool that that happened. Do you true OK, we and then.
But the funny part is like after like a week later, I could tell
somebody the story, 'cause I'm 16, I'd be like, yeah, that
happened. All of a sudden I'm like bad
ass. Even though you know 'cause in
hindsight it sounds cool. 2 girls want to suck your Dick?
Yeah. Yes, and, but at the time it
wasn't that cool. Did it get easier then to show
people? OK, so then this is the this is
the first time that I tried to have sex, which was that it was
at a party. We left the party and went into
a car. I was on mushrooms.
She didn't know that. And we were in the car and I
think I was 16 and going to get it up.
Well, mushrooms are famously not a very horny yeah, especially if
you do a full dose. I know her and I are are still
friends and I told her that years later and she was just
like why don't you tell me? And I was like, I don't know.
No. Have you been on shrooms?
It's not exactly a logic. There's a lot of.
New stuff happening at that it wasn't.
Like in a normal position, can I ask had was that you skipping
hand and mouth stuff and going straight to sex or like you were
trying to like fool around? Yeah, that was skipping, I
think, except for that first thing that wasn't that, yeah.
Was having sex like a big motivator for you when you were
like that age? Like, did you want to have sex
or were you just kind of like fumbling through it?
Oh, I think I did want to have. Yeah, I definitely wanted to
have sex. All my friends like had.
It was like a lot of like. Keeping up with the Jones.
Yeah, but I was always like arid on this side of like being
nervous. So it it like.
And are we at the place where you think you might be gay?
Right, so I and that's like, so when you're 16 and you can't get
it out the shrooms of it all wasn't even really in my head.
I was like, that means I'm gay. Totally can't get a boner.
And then I it happened again where like maybe a year later,
hooked up with somebody didn't get a boner.
Yeah, that means I'm gay, which is like it's like a, it's like a
it's a good like boiling down of like what this 17 year old boy
thinks of his gay, which is like can't fuck girl crazy equals
gay. Flawless logic.
No. No.
I swear it wasn't until like another year later where I
realized like gay means attracted to men.
Men, Yeah. Like specific.
Performance anxiety perhaps, right?
Also like what were you attracted to?
Like jerking off to? Like was it 2 dudes rimming each
other or was it? Another obvious like giveaway
wasn't. And were you like lusting after
your guy friends or you know what I mean, like.
Yeah, no, I, I don't know, it's just shit.
Fuck, I'm gay. But this is another weird thing
that is embarrassing, which is that I was homophobic growing up
in that environment in LA and going through that like 2 years
of thinking I was gay. I think rid that, rid it of me
because I was like, wait, that's me.
And I can't be mean to me. It's so sympathetic for like,
isn't that like? May may every straight guy be
blessed with two years of thinking he might be gay.
Like wait wait wait. It's actually not cool to bully
based on this. You guys, you guys think easy.
I think that might hurt his feeling.
I know which sounds gay, but stay with me.
Stay with me. But wow, yeah, I think I think a
lot of people would like lose their virginity to a girlfriend
where there's like safe conditions and there's like
you're comfortable but my first like 4 times probably having sex
were like drunk and like at a party or something.
And with classmates or with people from different schools
or. Yeah, probably people from my
school. Yeah, actually that first person
was from a different school, but yeah.
And then like into college and I like am now in a eight-year
relationship. And before this relationship I
was still just kind of, I would like to date somebody for like a
month. Yeah, but that's me.
I would still like, I never had the like space to like
understand what being like. I'm not good at sex now, but at
the time I was bad, you know what I mean?
Not saying you're not good at sex.
Yeah. But like, I don't know, it's
like I, I never had that like. You didn't have like consistency
to like. No communication even a little
bit sure of like it was just yeah.
Was it a lot of drunk hookups? So like, you'd go out with
friends? A party.
And with the goal of meeting a girl?
Yeah, and with the goal of just hooking up or dating.
Like I'm going to meet a cool girl tonight and.
See what's there. I think that's was probably
somewhere was part of the goal. But also, yeah, just trying to
like hook up I think. Sure, that's a very part of 20s.
Culture. Yeah, yeah.
And like, I even like it would. I would have crushes on people
for like, forever and then never, like, work up the courage
to, like, make a move. Like.
So. Yeah.
So then like, I think I needed in my mind to get really drunk
in order to, like, have the courage to which I think, like,
around age like 23, I realized you could just be like, hey, can
I kiss you? Which some people think is lame,
but it after that I was kind of off to the races.
Oh, I can just ask. Yeah, easy now.
And if they say no, it's OK. Yeah, exactly.
Wait, that's, that's very cute. First of all, can I kiss you?
Yeah, 'cause in movies it's like people say, like the cool line
that the writer wrote. Yeah, like sparkles, like your
eyes, and then that's the cue to lean in.
But I never say cool stuff, so I never have the moment.
Most people don't and I would argue a guy saying I love the
sparkle in your eyes. I'm like, get away from me.
I'd much rather a guy come up knowing that we've been eyeing
each other and me like I really want to kiss you.
Done, done. But like obviously it's like
that. You have to really be able to
read people, I think. And like, obviously it's better
asked these days, especially consent over like be cringy and
ask for consent rather than 'cause I know I've heard, I've
heard girls and guys be like, oh, and then he asked if he
could kiss me. He's like, just kiss me.
It's like, well, in a different universe, though, you end his
life like moments later. So yeah.
Yeah, that that like the the idea of leaning in and then like
pulling back is like, but for some reason asking and I'm
saying, no, you you could be like.
I was kidding, ugly. I'm gay.
That 'd actually be really funny if straight guys said, I'm just
kidding, I'm gay when they didn't want to kiss them.
Because then, like, honestly, a friendship might start, Yeah,
between the girl and the guy, and then you'd.
Be gay for five years being their friend.
Yes. And then you trick them.
Yeah. And then she's like, I wish you
weren't gay. And you're like, well, do I have
news for you? Playing the long game.
Wait, OK, so you're in your 20s, you're kind of hooking up, and
then at 25, No 23, you meet the eight-year relationship person.
Yeah, I guess that was at 23, which, and it's somebody who I
was getting drunk and hooking up with in college.
Really. Yeah, we met like freshman year
of college. Wow, which?
Is crazy. And then yeah, we would get
drunk and hook up never with the next like never talk about
anything. And I really had feelings for
her. And then at the end of like,
sophomore year, I told her that I liked her.
And she said she just wanted to be friends.
And then she went to Costa Rica for a year and then she came
back. And then I was like, it was
awkward. I didn't really want to like,
push it. I was like.
Oh yeah, yeah, you've been shot down.
Yeah, and then a year later, she came back into the Bay Area and
it was, like, rekindled. Wow, like unspoken like you kind
of just like started hanging out again We.
Hung out a couple times and then like we I actually told the
story in front of her recently and she she pushed back a lot on
different elements of it. But I'm like I've been telling
the story a long time and which maybe is makes it have lies in
it, but. It definitely becomes the truth,
Like the more you say it, you're like, that is what happened.
Yeah, I remember because I said this last week.
But yeah, we were, we were like at her friend's house that all
of her friends were supposed to come back from a bar, but then
they just kind of never came. And we was just, I was drinking
wine. And then she was like, you know,
I never really stopped liking you.
And I was like, I spent a lot of time trying to get over her and
trying to not like, push it and be respectful.
So I was kind of a Dick. And I was like, Oh yeah, what
are we going to do? Make out now?
I was like, mean. And she went, I don't know,
maybe. And I was like, what?
What? Are you?
Talking about it was a real like what the fuck?
That's kind of shitty. Well, unless this is the part
she pushed back on where it's like she put you in the friend
zone and then like this night she's like I never stopped
liking you. So this is this is where the
miscommunication happened, which is that, you know, we're in an
open relationship now. She thought that that first time
I told her I had feelings for her that I was asking her to
like to be my girlfriend and maybe I said something like
that. I don't think so though and she
didn't want to be in like a monogamous relationship.
OK. And I guess just assume that I
wouldn't be down for what we have now.
My communication is key. Obviously a lot of assumptions
going on. Totally.
That's like all the way up until like a few years ago, all
assumptions, not talking about anything, but but yeah, that
that's what she would say to that.
And part of me is like. Is that true?
Yeah. I mean, there's no way to prove.
That right? Are you all both in LA?
Do you live together? Yeah.
Wow. Yeah, so we lived in the Bay
Area for six years. Is that where you started
comedy? Yeah, in Santa Cruz.
I went to UC Santa Cruz, Santa Cruz in the Bay, and then I
would see you at the punch line. You would come to the punch line
sometime to do the Sunday showcase.
And that's the first time I saw you.
Very funny. Crazy.
And then moved to LA couple years ago she spent a year in
LA, wasn't really feeling it. So last year she was like long
distance kind of with her hometown at by Tahoe.
And now this year she's like recommitting to it and making a
bunch of friends. Oh good.
And now she's in Sedona with her new friends.
Oh my God. Pretty cool.
Is she a comedian? No.
OK, thank God. Yeah, I know.
Can you, without telling her story or like airing her stuff,
can you talk to us a little bit about what being in an Oprah
relationship is like? I'm glad you said that.
That's like a good reminder to like that she's a big part of
this. Yeah, cuz there's this whole
thing too. It's like, well, she's not here
to like, be like, yeah, that's cool, or don't talk about that.
Also I think I'm so used to stand up where you can kind of
get away with something in the room cuz it's like you just.
Isolate it over, Yeah. You know.
I'm not taping it. Yeah, like you tape it.
That's on you. Yeah.
Sure. We I think, wait, I'm sorry,
your question was just like, how, how?
Oh yeah, yeah. Like what's like, I guess like
have you always been open to an open relationship or are you
like more monogamy and you're doing it for this partner or
like pitfalls or good aspects? I, I think that all, both of us
were always open to it. And I think that there's like a
part of, you know, OK, so I used to be really on my high horse
about being against monogamy. Like I read that book The
Ethical Slut and like. The sitting there half red.
I would try to like. I read parts of it.
I read the show. I, I would like, try to like
convince my friends and like a friend of mine would be like
jealous. And I tried to be like, you
know, actually that's like, not very, you know, and I try to
like win the argument the most annoying person possible.
But now I, I, I think I'm just recognizing we're all different.
And whatever part of your brain that is that makes you jealous,
I just don't have that. I don't know why.
It's not 'cause I've done anything.
It's not 'cause I'm like, read the book.
A lot of people read the book. But yeah, so we were always, I
think we just talked about it before we started dating that we
were both into that. And then both of us, yeah,
don't, I don't know. There's a lot of tenants to it
that we both agree on. One is like if one of us was to
meet someone we like more, we should go be with them.
Really. Yeah, because like.
Wow, that's really emotionally mature.
It's so interesting because I think that's how everyone is,
but you'd be hard pressed to find people admitting it.
Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, because obviously if the person I like is happier with
someone else, I can't hold them. Yeah.
And that's like, in theory, that's what marriage is, is
like, you promise that you're going to ignore that.
The older I get, the more I'm like, marriage sounds childish.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like forever. No matter what.
It's like what? Yeah, no matter what.
No, I can, I can list like 40 things.
And if you do, yeah, I'm out. Right.
So like, what are we talking about?
Yeah, and also divorce. Yes, it's totally a thing.
I actually think, and I used to joke about this, that marriage
licenses should expire and you have to like re up.
That's good. So like every three years you
have to go somewhere and be like, yeah, we wanna renew.
Yeah, like a lease. But if you don't, yeah, if one
of you is like, I think we should be done after this next
renewal. Yeah, that's why people break up
on the the on the year of the lease because it's like that's
the time when they can like get out, yeah.
I've broken up with someone on Valentine's Day, but only in a
reflective way where I'm like, I don't love them.
That happens though, because it's like people, that's a
common thing of like breakups on Christmas and birthdays and it's
like, oh, that person's fucked up, but it's like, no, that's
the day where it's like make or break.
You can't fake it on that. Day, right?
You're reflecting and you're like, no, I don't, I don't want
to wake up with them. Right.
So you don't have a? You've never been?
Yeah. You're just chill about it.
I like it. It's not that I've never been
jealous because like, like I was saying earlier, I was like in,
in like middle school and stuff. I was like had a crush on my
friend's girlfriend, you know, and like I would like, I would
be very like unrequited love and it would like pain me, but like
I, yeah, I don't, I don't know. There's like a trust there that
we have that I like she has been with guys and like her, her
style was that she would kind of date people for a while.
And we neither of us have done, have like utilized this part in
the relationship. And it's all like 5 years.
So that's worth saying. But it's still like active and
we'll we'll check in about it. Oh, neither of you are
practicing correct ethical non monogamy right now.
Right. But but like on paper, it still
is. Like bisexual in theory.
Right. Yeah.
But like, I like if like I we're both allowed to hook up with
people. Yeah.
It's just doesn't. I don't think either of us
really want that. And actually just recent, well,
maybe this is the thing. I shouldn't say on her back, but
yeah. You ultimately know her
obviously better than I do, and it's a gift, something that,
yeah, but we can steer clear of it.
Yeah, but like, okay, there's elements of monogamy as like
traditional relationships that annoy us both.
We both really dislike couples that are two couply who like
move as one person. Oh my God, Like who?
Like you go. Can you sing out Tuesday?
Like I guess let me see what Brad's doing.
Oh my God. Or like or like if.
You're making dinner plans and they like team up and they like
skew the odds on where they want to go and stuff like that.
There's so many little ways that it like they just always support
each other and it's annoying. It's like a 2 headed dragon and
you and then with me, I'm always trying to get between them.
I'm always trying to put them against each other and like.
That's crazy. I know.
I will say though also if they do that and they in any way sour
the evening with some bickering or somewhere, I'm pissed.
Totally. Because not only did you get
your way, but now you're you're killing the vibe.
Yeah, yeah, I'm mad. I'll deal with your shit.
I like when couples, like, have to sit next to each other at
dinner. It's like, one thing if you
don't know anybody, but like, I don't know.
But like, I think both of us like are like the idea of
walking into a party and like. Separate in separate ways,
checking in, texting, Yeah, and like, I'll see you later,
obviously. Yeah.
You're fiercely, like, independent.
Yes, I think so. That's great because I also,
I've dated guys that were like, they needed some hand holding,
which I'm not ruthless. Like, I'm not like heartless,
but like, we're comedians. We hang out with comedians.
Like it's fucking dangerous to jump into a conversation with a
group of comedians. Like, yes, you get fucking
knocked upside the head and with a hand holder.
Oh my God. Yeah, you tell him about.
Oh, you mean a liberal hand holder?
I mean, just like, no, I meant, like, metaphorically too well.
Oh, when they can't, like, stop touching each other, I'm like,
yeah, you don't you just at home?
Aren't you on? Are you on the couch touching
all the time like. But you're right as far as like.
Yeah, it's just like I can't, like I really can't facilitate
your social life. I don't.
Know yeah, that could be stressful.
I I learned so much about a comedian, especially guy
friends, like watching them interact with Julia.
I'm like there's whole sides of my friends.
I I don't know I don't know how they treat women, you know sure.
And then all of a sudden they they like don't make eye contact
they don't ask her any questions and I'm like oh, you're a little
bit of a weirdo. Totally.
Yeah, you're a little. You got some Intel vibes or
whatever. Means are, yeah, I mean, deeply
insecure, very cerebral depressed.
It's. Not a comic store like that.
Yeah. So eight years in this
relationship, 5 the past five have been unlike, not
monogamous, but like not practicing, not monogamy.
Do you, at what point, I guess, do you plan to like encounter
other people or is it just like, it happens to be that you 2 are
both very like just satisfied with where you're at?
That's a good question. I so back when we were more
active with it, I think, let's see.
I think on my side, it was like a combination of people that I
was kind of seeing before, on and off.
Sure. We're still a little bit like.
On the roster. Yeah.
And then it was see them sometimes it would with the and
then in addition to that, just like random hookups, places of
like especially travelling. Oh my God, but did you hook up
after shows? Yeah, well, only kind of once.
You want to hear my 1 crazy? Story yes Oh my God, I was going
to ask we can actually transition into like any career
highlights or low lights with your sex.
Life really OK this is OK. I don't you could judge what
this is OK, but OK. One time in in Portland I did a
show. Good comedy city.
Yeah, I love Portland so much. This was years ago.
I did a show at, like, a sex club.
Cool. And there was like, people in
the front row, like getting all like, handsy, feely and stuff
and like with each other. And there was another comic on
the show. She totally wouldn't mind if I
said her name, but I probably shouldn't just in.
Case she yeah, that's OK, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but there's another comic on the show that we what
happened? We we did the show.
It was weird when I saw her at another show, at that other
show, she showed me Adm from somebody in the crowd who wanted
to hook up with her, a guy, a girl.
And she was showing me like, oh, isn't that she wants to see hang
out tomorrow? And I was like, oh, that is
crazy. And then like an hour goes by
and I'm at home and I get the same DM from the same girl.
And so I I DM this the comedian and I go, she sent it to me too.
And she's like, oh, yeah. And they said it like, sell his
Ray Bans had a really good deal. Yeah.
So we, like, made plans to go see her the next day.
And she was like in town with like sports team, intramural
sports. She was with like 10 friends in
town, like staying in an Airbnb. We she took us on this pub
crawl. So it was like me, this other
comedian, and then this girl who invited us and then a bunch of
her friends on this pub crawl. Were they cool?
The friends or. Were they like, who are these
randos? They they, no, they were cool.
They were like they kind of had a feel.
I think some of them are at the show.
OK, OK, so then we're like, you know, the, the, the, the pub
crawls go and we're having more drinks.
Me and the other comedian are kind of flirting at this point.
And then finally the the person who organized this turned to us
and was like, here's what's going to happen tonight.
We're all going to come back to my place and we're all going to
have sex. Not like the friends, just the
three for the listeners. Zach had his arms out like as
though there were 10 disciples behind it.
We're all going to have sex. So yeah, we had like more shows
we were doing. It was like a Late Show until
10. So by the time we got to her
place, it was like really late. And then we were kind of making
this plan and she kind of like told her like the other people
just go to their rooms or something.
And I guess they did, because we were like in the living room.
Fooling around the living room. Yeah.
And right as right as they were going upstairs, one of the one
of the friends was like, can I join?
And it was kind of awkward. And we were like, like.
No like. Not really somebody we would
have like. Damn, but we can I kiss you?
Yeah. Yeah, I know it got brought back
on me. We were it was kind of awkward
and we were like, yeah, sure. And so it's the four of us then.
And I think we were like playing spin the bottle just to like
kind of listen to get things going.
And then, you know, we it was like the the memory is foggy
because we were drinking a lot, but we all had sex and one
penis, 4 vaginas. One penis, 4 vaginas, 3 vaginas.
Sorry, OK, But this is this is my theory that I came out of
this with is that I believe group sex is exclusively for
queer people. I think it doesn't work it
straight because I'll tell you why, because because I think
this is my theory is that the the majority has to be queer or
else it doesn't work because one of them, the girl that has to
join was straight and like it's like hardcore about it and she
wasn't down to like she's. Like no, you dike touched me.
Yeah. So she was like, kind of like
Drew, like drew a wedge in the whole thing because like, she
was like wanting a lot of attention out of me.
But she's not compatible with anything else.
She's like, I'm not going to kiss them.
I'm not going to. Why would I?
I'm not going to do anything. It was.
A pillow wall up. Yeah, So then it was like this
weird, like Curb Your Enthusiasm moment of like, can you Can you
believe her? And it was like, I'm like
kissing her. I don't want to be.
I like. What?
And then you're being like a gentleman.
Yeah, I'm trying to be nice, girl.
Right, So that was happening and then and then we had to have
like I kind of had, I can't remember how it happened, but me
and the other two original core team, we had a little moment
where we're like we have to kick her out it.
Was core team. And we had to.
Kick her out, you have a group drag growing on the side.
Yeah, 'cause it it was, it was too weird.
And I Yeah. And did you successfully kick
her out? Yeah.
We we told her she had to go upstairs.
They're like you're not getting up for.
This Yeah, She went upstairs. And the other two were, oh,
obviously, like ambidextrous. Yes, both hands.
Wow. Both hands.
And then was the threesomes. Wait threesomes are OK?
Or is threesome group? OK so this is the thing,
threesomes are OK if the 2 girls are bi which I would say tips
the scales into overwhelming like mostly queer we have. 2/3.
Right Queer. It just blew my mind.
Yeah, I will say I think the the highest tier of group sex is
unlimited gay dudes. Like that's where it's at,
right? Because we're, we're also these
dudes and they feel like, it's like it's like universal donor.
Vibes. Do you know that John Early joke
where it's about like it's about anal and he goes, sometimes I
stop and I go, wait, this is perfect.
He's so funny. Wait, this is perfect.
This is. I can't believe it.
Because Yeah, yeah, two straight guys, one girl.
The guys are kind of being weird.
Also the. Girls like but at but at at the
same time there is like a for like super masculine guys.
There's like this weird thing that happens where they can like
have sex with the same girl and be all like comfortable.
Cool about it. Straight yeah, the.
I don't know how that that works.
Like they high 5 and stuff. To me, that's that's gay.
Well, that's interesting. That's that's like don't want to
use the word brotherly, but it's like it is as close as they'll
get to like a tender like male, like bond I.
Support it. I just I the only my only
observation is that it's weird that that tends to happen with
the like super mask. Of course that like that's that
like weird horseshoe thing. The Super mask guys are so close
to being super gay. Yeah, it's crazy because they
talk about girls like they're kind of like an accessory or
like they talk down to them and like, men are the like, I'm
like, you're so close to being an alpha gay couple.
And their favorite girls are the girliest ones, Yeah, who, like,
wear makeup and all this stuff. That's their favorite type.
Totally. The most like ritzy.
They. Love little bags?
OK, so the last part of the pot actually let's play a quick
round of hot or not. This is where I just list things
and you tell me if you find them hot or not.
So let's say sex in like a public space where you could get
caught hot, OK? Unless it like.
This is not like a malicious. Thing I know it it's.
You mean you asking the question or?
Well, I'm definitely not that. Yeah, but yeah, it's not.
Like, not with the intent to. Yeah, it's like just.
To ruin someone's day. Yeah, I think it definitely tips
and scales like if I could like totally ruin somebody's birthday
party by like being seen, I think I maybe not.
But if it's like somebody like at the mall might actually like
peak or something. She pulls you into, like, a
janitor's closet. And you like, Yeah.
That's on them. What are they doing in the
janitors? Totally, Yeah.
That janitor is so happy they they walked in on that right
Threesomes. Hot.
OK. Yeah, maybe that will be the way
that you 2 keep the open part is by like recruiting.
Yeah, yeah. And I, I think part of the I
think, but even when I was single, like I wasn't much of A
dater, like I don't have a strong drive to like go out and
get. It's awesome.
Is it? I mean, I guess it is.
It's like I find that calming. It is.
It's peaceful. Yeah, yeah, you do seem from
when we started talking, I was like, oh, this is a very anxious
person. But now I'm like, oh, I think
he's actually a pretty chill person, which is right.
Yeah, that's an interesting. I think I come off in my stand
up is very anxious and really neurotic.
Yeah, but how do you feel I that's.
Do a little check in with yourself.
I think, yeah, I think I don't know.
It's like, you know, people, people like I'm a believer that
like, everybody is like has introverted times and everybody
has extroverted times, depending on the context.
And I think I'm like, I think that I consider myself like when
I go to the Comedy Store and I'm on the patio, I'm like, why?
I have so much social anxiety? But the truth is that it's just
kind of a weird heightened situation where there's like
stakes that are unusual. But then compared to a lot of my
friends who don't do comedy, I'm like considering myself like
very social, of course. So it's like.
Just depends on what room you're in.
Yeah, it depends who I compare myself to, but people will.
Sometimes when somebody DMS me, they'll be like, I love your
awkward comedy. I get that a lot.
And I'm like, I guess I'm awkward.
I guess there's like an awkwardness to it.
You're like, I'm gonna let you know, you don't have to put the
word. That word in.
Just comedy works for me. Totally.
That's so funny. What about sex in the great
outdoors? So like on a camping trip?
On a hike. Hot.
That's great. Oh yeah, Where's your What would
be your ideal place to have sex? Is it bedroom?
Is it living room? Is it mountain top?
Is it cabin deck? I think hotel room is pretty
cool. Those are inherently horny
spaces. Yeah.
And you think it's all bedroom? It's all bedroom and you feel
like you're getting your money's worth a little bit.
And you don't have to like, wash the sheets.
Yeah, there's the rags are there's like 40 of them, yes.
They're like, please have sex. Please.
Yeah. What?
Else I. Am.
That's a good answer. You know what?
Like you know what is the the deceptive 1 is I hot tubs always
make me horny and make me want to have sex.
But as soon as I start thinking about the logistics, I don't
want to have sex in the hot tub. They're like around it.
Anywhere near it, you're asking the hot tub.
Yeah, I can't believe actually, because there's those like Spot,
there's hot tubs where you get like your own private room and
that's like a very horny space. But then as soon as I start kind
of hooking up, I'm like, what are we?
Doing We're squeaky and like all.
What? And it's like kind of dirty.
I am such a hot tub girly. A hot tub.
They also feel inherently horny, like you're just like you're hot
and you're wet and then you're you're junk is like floating.
Around, yeah, people are mostly naked, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. What about like, oh, hand jobs,
hand jobs. There's obviously the lore of
like guys are like, I can I do it best myself.
So like. Yeah, thank you for saying that.
I I tried a joke recently where I was talking about like AI
replacing people, workers. And I think it's funny that,
like, software developers were, like, the first people to get
removed because they're the ones who kind of brought it.
Yeah. Yeah.
But it makes sense that computers would be best at that,
in the same way that jerking off feels best when you do it.
Yourself, yeah. And then I I had that line and
like multiple friends were like, it feels better when somebody
else does it. What are you talking about?
Oh yeah, no, I was like, what? Every time a guy started I'm
like I got it. Yeah, if there was a gun to your
head and it was, or like if it was like if you can come in one
minute, you get $1000, you're not having somebody.
No. I got this.
That's so funny. Yeah.
Because obviously, yeah, you just like, you know your spots.
Yeah, I, I OK, so, but like, I I think like as part of sex, I
like it. But if that was like alone, I
think I'm like. No, no thanks.
Not that interested. Blowjobs.
I like. Are you ideally if you're
engaging in sex? Are you ideally having
penetrative sex? Yeah, OK.
It like all leads up to that. Yeah, I guess so.
OK. Which like, yeah.
OK. No, that's great.
And the last one, facials I guess giving them for you.
Yeah, that means like coming on on their face.
On their face. Yeah, that doesn't do much for
me. OK, Yeah.
That like the porn I grew up with, made me think it was like
where girls insisted, yeah, guys come.
Yeah, like I guess how if they want.
Yeah, but like this is for you. Yeah, not me, right?
There's a comedian, man, I wish I remember who it was of, like
the guys, like the guys like, where do you want it?
And she's like on the ground, honestly.
Do you know? Who that is, There's a few
variations of this. Barbara Gray, some of a joke
where he's like, where do you want me to come?
And she's like in this jar. And then someone else, Jared
Goldstein, has a joke about his boyfriend's cum tasting bad.
And he's like, where do you want me to finish?
And he goes in a Brita picture. And then I think Amy Schumer had
like another joke like that. Where do you want me to come?
Outside would be ideal. Jared has, in my opinion, like
an all time great joke of like, like I'm not a bottom, I'm the
front. Yes, so funny.
And he's like this guy, the middle.
Yeah, stand your toes. It might take a selfie.
You're blurry. Yeah, front and back.
So, Sarah, the great joke writer.
So fun. All right, so.
And the last thing is, what's some advice you give to younger
Jordan before he began his sexual journey?
Oh, I mean, well, that's a good question.
Definitely just like asking upfront if they if you want to
which totally in the consent application 100%, but also just
in the like fear of like making a move application, which for me
was an issue. And I think also just the idea
that like sex is you're supposed to be like comfortable.
So like if you're very anxious, you're not going to get hard,
you're not going to have a lot of fun, totally so.
So having fun and being comfortable.
Yeah, that's great. Yeah.
Awesome. Thanks for doing this.
What advice would you give yourself?
Oh, my God, Actually, at this point, I'm like, maybe like,
have fun, but like, slow down. Also, you don't have to do
anything you don't want to do. I was like a twink.
And I think like, I was definitely paired up with a
bunch of like, bigger, like stronger, sometimes older guys
who were like part of the dynamic was like Dom sub.
And like, when you don't know it's OK to be like, no, but not
that, you know, you're trying to fulfill a role and a fantasy.
And it's like, oh, you can like, you can, you can have
boundaries. Yeah, but that's all.
You're the first person to ever ask me.
Really. Yeah.
You know, this whole podcast, I'm like, it's so rude.
I haven't been asking the. Question.
That would be weird and. Like if you probably answered
these before. Oh yeah, no, it's also like very
like my guest is always very brave because I mean, obviously,
like I said, it's the first time we really had a one-on-one and
I'm asking you like, where'd you come?
Yeah, like it's like it's actually crazy that you feel
comfortable or hopefully you feel comfortable enough to have
the conversation. Yeah.
I mean are most stand ups comfortable to have the
conversation? Yeah, it is like a thing of
stand up where I'm like, I have no more shame.
I think that's great. My whole goal with this sex a
sex podcast is just to make sex more conversational because I
feel like people are so ashamed or they they carry secrets with
them or you know what I mean? It's just like, it's so
important to hear that other people ran down the hall to come
into their toilet or, or, you know, like, didn't know.
It's as simple as asking a girl, can I kiss you?
Like, yeah, yeah. Feel us alone.
There's a, there's a documentary right now on, I don't know if
you like, like cult documentaries, but there's one
on Apple right now about a tantric yoga cult that was like
very hierarchical and like tantric yoga is like sexy, like,
you learn how to have sex and it's like the, of course the
leader was having sex with everybody.
Yeah, But, you know, as is all cult documentaries in the early
stages, you're like, that sounds pretty cool.
And it was like these like organizations, these yoga
centers would like, talk about how to have good sex and like,
like in a community of what? Oh of like leading me starting.
Like a yeah. No, but I'm watching this and
I'm thinking like it's cool that this community is talking about
sex and it's like not nobody's just like quietly like like, I
don't know, it's it's that's cool.
I do. I just think it's insane that
like we have like rampant gun violence and you can talk about
like a school getting shot up, but if you like talked about
like me and Brad are having this weird like issue in our sex life
people like like everyone clams up.
Abortion is like that too. Yeah.
Such a faux pas. Crazy.
Yeah. Abort more babies?
No, but yeah, I just like, yeah, I don't want anyone to feel
embarrassed or alone or like, ashamed.
Yeah, I I think that's like one of the, the, the highest like
ideals of comedy is like even people who are just like, seems
like they're comedy is not about anything important, but they're
like talking about how they're like have ADD like that.
There's a lot of people. Also, like people take for
granted, like anybody, no offense, that's not straight and
white is just taking up the space and being, you know, seen
is like good for like other people who may not be straight
and white totally, you know, Oh, wait, tell the tower bottoms
where they can find love and support you.
Instagram Jordan dot thulis. THEWLIS.
Yes. And also I think that's it I'm
listening to. Yeah, Jordan.
Any shows coming up that you want to like?
Are you doing any road dates or? Anything.
No, I just. I just finished up a bunch of
poor stuff, but I'm like, I'm working on some projects right
now where I'm. Do you know Kylie Vincent?
I'm gonna like, help. I'm gonna direct her special and
I'm gonna direct Jeff Dean special.
Oh, my God. Yeah, that's great.
Check those out. They're both gonna be like
multimedia and cool and interesting, so.
Have they already? Are they in production?
Yeah. In varying ways, like Kylie just
got like AMS diagnosis. So she has a new show about
that. And we're going to have a lot of
behind the scenes stuff and like interviews with doctors.
And then Jeff does these things where he like acts out his jokes
and like turns them into sketches where they like lip
sync kind of Drunk History style.
So we're going to do 20 minutes of that.
Cool, yeah. That's awesome.
Yeah, check those out. Yeah, thanks so much for coming
on the pod. Thanks for having me, yeah.
And until next time, keep sucking and fucking.
Bye. Hello, Tower Bottoms.
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