1 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,080 Hello everyone, and welcome back to people you want to know 2 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:20,600 podcast. In this episode of our go you 3 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,720 will enjoy season, you are literally seeing me talk to one 4 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,800 of my dream guests, Brianna Wu. Brianna Wu is a video game 5 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,840 developer, political commentator and former congressional 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,400 candidate known for her outspoken advocacy on 7 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,280 technology, online culture and free expression. 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,920 She Co founded the indie game studio Giant Space Cat and 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,600 became nationally known after being targeted during the 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,640 Gamergate controversy, which propelled her to broader 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,120 conversations around Internet harassment, media and politics. 12 00:00:49,480 --> 00:00:53,360 In recent years, Wu has become a prominent centrist voice in 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,840 debates around progressive politics, gender, online 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,000 discourse, including appearances and commentary connected to the 15 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,440 Free Press. She's also run for Congress in 16 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,680 Massachusetts, and she remains active across tech, journalism 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,920 and political media. Brianna is a voice of reason in 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,080 this crazy time and such an incredible ally for us. 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Back when the Free Press hosted debates on their podcast, I 20 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,640 eagerly awaited the debates between Brianna and Bhatia Anger 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,400 Sargon because it was so useful and interesting to make sense of 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,880 the world. We are going to see Brianna 23 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,760 accomplish so much. I really feel like she's just 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,880 starting. I have so much respect and 25 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,680 admiration for her, and I told her after we recorded. 26 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:35,920 I really, really admire her and her communication style is just 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,200 exceptional. You'll hear me ask a bunch of 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,400 different things. In this episode we learn about 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,160 Brianna's story, her take on the Democratic Party, her take on 30 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,560 combating anti-Semitism. I mean we cover so much terrain. 31 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,480 Truly one of my favorite episodes I've ever done. 32 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Please enjoy. Hello Brianna, Welcome to PEOPLE 33 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,360 Jew Want to Know podcast. Thanks so much for being here. 34 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,120 It's really my honor. You know, I'm always so 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,760 thrilled, you know, when people reach out and want to talk to me 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,400 about my favorite subject, which is Jews in the United States 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,360 being increasingly unsafe and what we do about it. 38 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,360 So thank you so much. How crazy is that? 39 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,320 I imagine that, you know, you didn't picture this being the 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,320 way that your career kind of played out. 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,320 I will say it wasn't really the plan, but, you know, I think in 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,440 the last few years, no one in politics has really been doing 43 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,880 what we expected to be doing. You know, I grew up in 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,080 Mississippi, and, yeah, I feel like I've been kind of swimming 45 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,080 in, you know, the waters of hatred my entire life. 46 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,640 I remember seeing how, you know, black people and gay people were 47 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:41,000 treated in that state growing up and, you know, I certainly saw 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,960 anti-Semitism there. What I couldn't have expected is 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,000 for the rest of the country to follow suit on that, which is 50 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,960 incredibly disturbing. So yeah, love that for everyone 51 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,160 in America. It's great. 52 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,640 I was actually curious if you have an opinion on what happened 53 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,800 to us as America. I think there's an emotional 54 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,680 answer and there's a technical answer. 55 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,720 I'll give you the technical answer first, which is, you 56 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 know, there's been a long term project to turn the Democratic 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,280 Party against you and it has started. 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,600 I say this as a Democratic insider. 59 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,000 You know, they've been placing pro Islamist operatives within 60 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,040 our party working for free for the last decade. 61 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,320 I've been here, and I assume for before this, and they've been 62 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,720 basically introducing a alternative storyline about the 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,280 history of Israel and what the history of Jews in America are. 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,680 And for whatever reason people aren't willing to check it out 65 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,600 and see if it's true. And we are seeing the effects of 66 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,600 both political parties essentially having an organized 67 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,560 information warfare campaign against Jews is when the 68 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,440 shorter, more emotional answer is America has decided to betray 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,320 our Jews, like many countries before us. 70 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,960 And, you know, there's something really dark in human history and 71 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,160 the human character that I don't know why y'all are just the 72 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,880 first in line when society falls apart. 73 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,840 You're the first up against the wall. 74 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,640 And I didn't really understand this until I went to Jerusalem. 75 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,240 And I think you can feel, Yeah, I'm not a woo woo spiritual gal. 76 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,160 There's something there. There's forces of light in this 77 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,040 world and there's forces of darkness and for reasons I don't 78 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,200 understand as a Christian, Jews just sit really close to that 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,720 light. I don't know why, but it's it's 80 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,680 clearly the thrust of history in my view. 81 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,120 It's interesting that you talk about, you know, the rewriting 82 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,440 of history in terms of Israel. I feel that in the last, you 83 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:46,560 know, 10-15 years, American history has been rewritten. 84 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,640 The values that average Americans stand for have been 85 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,520 rewritten to the point where the average person supposed to be 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:59,720 not proud to be American, when the reality is that I I come 87 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,040 from Ukraine, right? I come from what was considered 88 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,920 a developing nation. There is no better country than 89 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,640 America for someone like me to live in. 90 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:12,480 And even our poorest people live better than the vast majority of 91 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,560 the world. And it just breaks my heart. 92 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,040 I'm curious, you talk about, you know, being an insider in the 93 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,880 Democratic Party. Do you think the Democrats, and 94 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,200 this is a very broad stroke statement, do you think they're 95 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,920 honest about this happening? Like is there a consensus that 96 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,840 this is happening or is your opinion considered like off the 97 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:34,280 beaten path if you will? So, you know, this doesn't make 98 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,600 me proud to say that I'm going to tell you the truth. 99 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,560 And the truth is the elites in the Democratic Party know 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,080 better. We do. 101 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,680 We know this is bullshit. And I have conversations every 102 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,280 single week about it. But the truth is they've made a 103 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:54,600 political calculus to betray. They don't understand how dire 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,680 the situation is. And look, I say this as a proud 105 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Democrat. I I'm deeply proud of our party 106 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,400 and our healthcare policy. And I used to be proud of the 107 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,680 the way we stood behind our national security strategy when 108 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,960 it really mattered and the chips were down. 109 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,760 But there is something that is increasingly cowardly about the 110 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Democratic Party and unwilling to stand up for what is right 111 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,560 because no one wants to be the first person shouted down. 112 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,480 What I'm about to say to you is as a transsexual woman, I 113 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,240 transitioned over 22 years ago. I am ultra pro trans rights. 114 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,480 You know, what is happening to people like they in this country 115 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,440 really disturbs me. But I think this is an excellent 116 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,800 example of what is going wrong in the Democratic Party because 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,400 20 years ago, people like me got our rights because we went 118 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,880 through a medical process. We had surgeries, we had 119 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,840 clinicians diagnosing this. And if we were changing our, you 120 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,960 know, sex legally, there's a long process that we went 121 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,640 through. Democrats helped get us those 122 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,680 rights. Today. 123 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,320 You literally have a process in states like mine where you just 124 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,840 declare your gender and you know predators are ending up in 125 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,160 women's faces. This is a horrible public 126 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,760 policy. No one I talked to behind the 127 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,960 scenes can defend it. But, you know, there's not that 128 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,400 willingness to stand up and say, you know what? 129 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,240 We screwed up. And this particular policy is 130 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,240 putting women in danger and trans women in danger because 131 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,080 it's driving a project to take away, you know, everyone's civil 132 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,920 rights. That same issue is happening 133 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,200 with Jews because this genocide slur has proven to have so much 134 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,120 salience. And there's this Death Star out 135 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,960 there that's prepared to controversialize any Democrat 136 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,000 that stands with Israel, and no one has the guts to stand up and 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,360 call this what it is, which is bullshit. 138 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,400 It's just a lack of moral character. 139 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,480 I I can't explain it or justify it. 140 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Something that I really admire about you is throughout your 141 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:05,400 career, you have always been first to call on some of the 142 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,840 kind of Canaries in the coal mine, if you will, that are 143 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,240 happening in society. Because you're willing to be 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,920 honest, even if it's not pretty, even if it's not serving 145 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,720 somebody'd interests. Because you want what's best, 146 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,480 you know, in the long term, even if that means some pain in the 147 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:25,200 immediate. I think about that when I think 148 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:26,520 about how you spoken up for Jews. 149 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,680 Obviously, I remember, you know, Barry's show. 150 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,480 I would wait for that conversation that you would have 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,120 with Bot Young or Sargon every week or every other week to 152 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,440 hear, you know, a voice of reason on the Internet and with 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,080 the gamer community. This was your philosophy as 154 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,280 well. You were talking about 155 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,920 harassment online years before anybody took what's happening 156 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,040 within, you know, the gamer ecosystem seriously. 157 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,960 How do you think we can inspire others to be willing to speak 158 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,400 up? I. 159 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Think I would be really honest to say there's no incentive 160 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,040 structure to speaking up. You know, if I put a dollar 161 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,440 amount on the amount of money I've lost standing up for Israel 162 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,680 as well into the six figures at this point, you know, and don't 163 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,440 get me wrong, I went and found other work. 164 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,880 I'm doing fine. But you know, there is a 165 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,440 financial cost and there's a social cost for me as a trans 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 woman, I get called a man literally thousands of times a 167 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,640 day by Free Palestine and the people associated with that. 168 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:27,720 It's, it's a very deep cost. I think for me personally, you 169 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,840 know, when I was the first student to ever transition at 170 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,120 the University of Mississippi 20 years ago, integrity had a very 171 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,320 high price for me to stand up in that culture at that school and 172 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,480 say, this is who I am, this is how I was born and this is how 173 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:46,640 I'm going to live my life. I lost my adoptive family to 174 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 have that integrity. And there's just nothing I care 175 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,560 about more than that integrity. And, you know, I just, I can't 176 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:59,320 sit by and say nothing as I see this really organized project to 177 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,400 expel y'all from not just American life. 178 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,400 We're seeing what's happening in the UK. 179 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,440 It's happening in the countries all around the world. 180 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,800 It is terrifying. And I just, I, I feel so 181 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,880 frustrated with the lack of integrity with people that I 182 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,640 know for a fact know better because I talked to them behind 183 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,000 the scenes. Congress people, senators, 184 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,120 elected officials in Massachusetts, school board 185 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,960 people over and over. They know they're blowing it, 186 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,920 but the price of of speaking up is just not something they're 187 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,280 willing to pay. Now that the dust has settled in 188 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,880 some part on Gamergate, if you will, are have you re engaged 189 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,400 with the gamer community at all? How are you feeling about it? 190 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,720 It's. A complicated question I just to 191 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,040 let people know Gamergate was at its core a discussion about how 192 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,120 women were treated in the game industry. 193 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Now, there was a lot of crazy stuff that we advocated back 194 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,760 then, myself included things like really second guessing, 195 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,280 like sexualized character designs in video games, which, 196 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,000 you know, on second thought, that's free speech issue, you 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:07,920 know, let people make the art they want to make. 198 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,160 But there were some really important issues at play there. 199 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:17,400 The lack of like the difficulty women had and getting promoted 200 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,320 through their career, the maternity leave policies, you 201 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,200 know, even women employed in major journalism outlets to 202 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,160 review games, which certainly like effects how the work is 203 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,560 perceived if it has gameplay outlets that play appeal to 204 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:34,880 women. There were some really salient 205 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,640 important issues there. And I I 100% stand by that. 206 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,200 I don't think women are given a fair shot in the tech industry 207 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,600 to this day. That said, a deep extreme 208 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,800 regrets about supercharging this progressive movement. 209 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,840 So when we're watching the LA mayor's race have ADSA candidate 210 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,080 in there up against Spencer Pratt. 211 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,760 Yeah, I am giving you an honest man called. 212 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,920 I am one of the people back then that turned the Democratic Party 213 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:11,480 from a a smart vehicle to pursue civil rights into something 214 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,520 obsessed with culture war and morality and cancelling anyone 215 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,520 that dared disagree with it and and I helped turn our party into 216 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,520 them and deeply regret it. What I can say is it doesn't 217 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,600 work when you morally invert the hierarchy of oppression. 218 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,520 You turn organizations into something incredibly brittle 219 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,440 because it's never about how you ship a game or how you got 220 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,920 public policy passed. It becomes about this bitter in 221 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,320 fighting behind the scenes, about who's actually the most 222 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,480 depressed, who deserves a voice. It's not about treating everyone 223 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,640 working on a problem equally. It's about this kabuki theater, 224 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,920 about who's up this imaginary lab. 225 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,440 So, you know, there's the stat parts of I stand by, but I think 226 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,840 directionally I empowered something that is destroying our 227 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,720 country. I. 228 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,400 Was thinking about it recently because I was in college, you 229 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,280 know, 2015 to 2018 and back then the snowball was not running 230 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,560 down the hill so quickly so it was almost kind of hard to 231 00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:17,480 discern what was going on. And it was well meaning people 232 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:22,240 who genuinely cared about rights, about equality, about 233 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,200 opportunity and success for as many people as possible. 234 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,760 We were feeling, you know, healthcare system needed to 235 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,680 reform, more diversity in the workplace. 236 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:33,720 These are conceptually wonderful things. 237 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:39,400 And the only time that my mind really shifted and suddenly I 238 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:43,600 was like, oh, shit, I cannot endorse this any longer was in 239 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,880 2020 after the murder of George Floyd. 240 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,880 I'm originally from Minneapolis. I went to the University of 241 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,720 Minnesota. I was a fresh grad at the time, 242 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,160 pretty much. I had moved to New York, but I 243 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,480 came back to Minneapolis because of Covad and when I saw people 244 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:02,680 on air saying, well, rather than criticizing us for looting the 245 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:06,560 Apple Store, you should be thinking about what conditions 246 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,320 drove us to loot the Apple Store in the 1st place. 247 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,720 Something felt wrong to me about that. 248 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,680 That's when the line had been crossed. 249 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,360 You know, seeing the mayor cry and pray in front of George 250 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Floyd's golden coffin, the we had left, you know, the kind of 251 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,720 bracket of reason. And that was an irreversible 252 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,000 change of heart for me. And it means a lot to to hear 253 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,840 you say what you say because it gives me hope that the 254 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,160 Democratic Party can come around and it's people. 255 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,280 It's going to take people like you as hard as it is. 256 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:46,320 Going back to your upbringing in Mississippi and your story, how 257 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,480 did you what were your first experiences with Jews? 258 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,520 Well, the the first time I heard about a Jew was one moved onto 259 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,680 our block and we're sitting at Thanksgiving dinner and, you 260 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,680 know, all our relatives are over and people start talking about 261 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,240 them. It was the exact same way I'd 262 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,360 heard them talk about black people and it was with disdain 263 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,920 and hate. And you know, they're talking 264 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,920 about this weird religion. We're like, I don't believe this 265 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,000 to be clear, I'm just saying what they said of the, the 266 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,720 people that killed Christ that lived on our block. 267 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,720 And I remember sitting there looking at my, my parents and, 268 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,080 and just thinking like, I know y'all don't believe this. 269 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,800 I hope you don't believe this. Why don't they speak up like I 270 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,720 was, I was like 8 at the time. I'm not going to speak up to 271 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,160 like, all my my relatives. And, you know, it was my first 272 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:43,000 impression that, you know, when those chips come down, people 273 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,600 don't speak up and say what they believe and say what's right. 274 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,040 And I think what was so disturbing is, you know, I used 275 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:51,720 to think that was just Mississippi. 276 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,800 It's not. It's the rest of the country. 277 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,120 You know, on a more personal level, when I transitioned at 278 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,560 the University of Mississippi, I was the first student. 279 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,960 Jews were some of the only people that stood up to the 280 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,360 therapist that, you know, got me a diagnosis of gender identity 281 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,480 dysphoria. This was 22 years ago, back when 282 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,400 we had actual tough clinical standards to get through. 283 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,320 Yeah. He was a Jew in Mississippi. 284 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,320 He didn't have to specialize in this and go read books to 285 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,040 understand like the diagnosis for people like me. 286 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,360 They took the time to do that. He wrote a letter to my parents 287 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,920 asking them not to disown me, which was my fear. 288 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,840 They did. But, you know, my, my point is 289 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,880 the people that really had my back for the most difficult 290 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,760 thing I ever went through were Jews that, you know, if people 291 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,880 are watching the video and they think I, I look reasonably good. 292 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,400 It was a Jewish plastic surgeon, Doctor Spiegel, that did this 293 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,720 for me. He's worked with me for over a 294 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:50,240 decade on trans healthcare. So, yeah, when October 7th 295 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,760 rolled around, I really realized, yeah, due to those 296 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,360 experiences, I had a responsibility to pause and make 297 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,920 sure I got this right because I didn't know as much about the 298 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:04,960 conflict back then. What's surprising to me is how 299 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,760 few other, you know, non Jews seem to be interested in that. 300 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,720 You know, we seem to be really interested in just bleeding this 301 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,040 propaganda narrative that we got from social media. 302 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,839 And just one more thing, you mentioned you're from Ukraine. 303 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,920 And I find this so confusing because Democrat Party generally 304 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,400 speaking is able to identify this Russian disinformation on 305 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,040 Ukraine and all these false stories that are out there. 306 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,680 And I don't understand why we can't understand it when the 307 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,120 Islamists are doing the exact same to us. 308 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Why are we so smart on one form of information warfare and so 309 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,400 susceptible to another? Are we just that eager to 310 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,920 believe anti-Semitic narratives? I don't get. 311 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,200 Thanks. For calling that out, I think 312 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,160 you can imagine my dissonance being a Ukrainian Jew, 313 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,960 especially because some of my relatives are not Jewish. 314 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:05,240 So it's just a weird spot to be in, especially with the rich 315 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,760 anti-Semitic resume that Ukraine itself has. 316 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,320 But I think they're coming around in some sense. 317 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,800 Both the Prime Minister and the president are born Jews. 318 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,320 They don't necessarily identify as Jews. 319 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,480 They identify as Ukrainians ethnically, but they are Jews 320 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,160 and they're part of the tribe regardless. 321 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:28,400 We're two, 2 1/2 years in. What do you think are things 322 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,640 that the Jewish community can do to make your life easier? 323 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:35,040 My life easier I'm. Not worried about me, I'm 324 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,520 worried about y'all. You know, I think the stats 325 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,120 coming out for violence against Jews, that's terrifying. 326 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,440 I think, you know, what would help is seeing Jews fight in a 327 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,280 smarter way. You know, I do believe y'all are 328 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,760 the Canary in the coal mine. I used to think that was just 329 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:52,920 hyperbolic bullshit that you told yourselves. 330 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,640 It's not. Go read a history book. 331 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,520 Like the way it works is they target y'all, they get a 332 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:59,440 foothold and they go after everyone else. 333 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,400 That's happened over and over again. 334 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:08,400 So what I need is for the Jewish organizations to wake up and 335 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,120 understand you're not fighting with a war you can win with 336 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:15,720 respectability politics. And yeah, you said you 337 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,960 appreciate me telling you the truth, so I'm going to tell you 338 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,320 the truth right now. I need these Jewish groups to 339 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,960 stop doing conferences where you talk to yourselves. 340 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:26,560 I need people to stop worrying about whose name is on what and 341 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,240 who gets credit for it. It does not fucking matter. 342 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,800 The mission matters. The information warfare matters. 343 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,800 And this isn't a time to feel special. 344 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,600 This is a time to fight for survival. 345 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:40,880 You can read about Israel in 1948 and, you know, stockpiling 346 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,760 weapons because you knew you were going to be under attack. 347 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,560 Your top mission is to stop doing the stuff that doesn't 348 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,600 make sense and feels good and start doing stuff that is 349 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 effective. I mean, full on information and 350 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,440 warfare back and we have the advantage of actually telling 351 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,400 the truth. We need to invest in influencers 352 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,200 that can actually put a narrative out there to push back 353 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,440 on all this horseshit the Islamists are selling. 354 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,160 We need to, you know, create an incentive structure for 355 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,760 politicians with the guts to stand up to this. 356 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:13,800 It's not just a check from AIPAC. 357 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,760 You know, it's got to be deeper than that. 358 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,960 You know, we need to start putting constituencies together 359 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,600 to understand the threat of Islamism. 360 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,600 And that means sane LGBT people working with Christian 361 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 conservatives, working with people, they're capitalists and 362 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,760 see the threat that this DSA mindset is bringing to our 363 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,280 economy and our country. We've got to do the hard work of 364 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,600 putting together a sane coalition in the middle to stand 365 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,360 up for American values. Because just being entirely 366 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:44,800 honest, I'm not sure Britain is going to make. 367 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,760 And I think there's still enough time for us to save ourselves. 368 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,560 But we've got to understand like we are frog in a pot and it is 369 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,640 boiling. Thank you for saying that. 370 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,720 It's it's so interesting to hear you say that because I subscribe 371 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,160 to newsletters of all sorts of people and I read things in the 372 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,640 Jewish community. They're like, should we 373 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:07,040 redefine, you know, Zionism? Should we focus on changing, you 374 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,480 know, what language and call it Jew hatred and whatever. 375 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,840 And I'm not going to say who it was, but I had a guest on the 376 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,600 show that off the record was like, I don't understand these 377 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,560 Jewish organizations. They are concerned with all 378 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,360 these things around Zionism and vocabulary and whatever. 379 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,880 If you want to stop anti-Semitism, you should be 380 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,080 lobbying to stop letting in Islamists into the country. 381 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,000 That's a foolproof way to ensure that there is no anti-Semitism. 382 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,160 Like go to the root cause of the problem. 383 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:42,760 Stop patching up the ship that's sinking and it sounds like anti 384 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,000 PC, you know, but he's he's right. 385 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,720 Unfortunately, we. Had in, you know, the days of 386 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,920 the Cold War, we were thoughtful about who we let into the 387 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,000 country and if they were, you know, working with the enemy 388 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,840 there, you know, this is just the truth. 389 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,240 You know, we've been ever since 9:11. 390 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:05,160 There's a very dangerous ideology that struck us on 9/11. 391 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,280 And they continue to want to hurt us. 392 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,880 We have a very porous southern border. 393 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:11,920 I'm sorry. I'm a Democrat, but that's still 394 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,160 the truth. You know, Israel's closer, so 395 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,680 they get attacked more. They're just as happy to kill 396 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,000 us. Of course, it makes sense to 397 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,240 update our immigration policy and be more thoughtful about who 398 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 we're letting in. You know, we'd literally just 399 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,200 had our Jewish brothers and sisters set on fire a few months 400 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,800 ago. We have, you know, this is such 401 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,200 an obvious move. And, you know, I do always feel 402 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,160 compelled to say, you know, religious freedom is part of 403 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,880 this country. I have no issue if someone wants 404 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,640 to practice Islam that is different than this theocratic, 405 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,640 you know, political project to dismantle the state and 406 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,280 institute religious law. And instead, yeah, I think we 407 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,800 need to be willing to say that. I don't get it. 408 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,880 Like I say this all the time about, you know, the Christian 409 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,040 right that wants to take away my rights as a trans, as a 410 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,360 transsexual woman. It's the same thing. 411 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,720 Like, why can't we be thoughtful about this? 412 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Like they objectively want to kill us. 413 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,200 Even Hillary Clinton is over there looking at what the 414 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,240 effects of in mass migration on Europe have been. 415 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,600 She will tell you it's gone too far. 416 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,760 So you know it's I don't wake up every day asking myself how to 417 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,680 side with President Trump. He's dead on with this. 418 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,920 I've had a couple of different trans guests on my show, some 419 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,440 that would identify, you know, right of center, some would 420 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,160 identify left of center. And I can't get a good pulse on 421 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,600 what is actually happening in the trans community. 422 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,720 So, you know, I asked my friend who's right wing, like, are you 423 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,360 concerned about what are what is happening under the Trump 424 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:44,920 administration to the trans community? 425 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,680 And she's like, no, because if I care about my protections as a 426 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,400 Jew versus a trans person, I'm going to prefer and I have to 427 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,440 pick one. I'm going to prioritize Jew. 428 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,800 And then I asked my friend who's, you know, on the left, 429 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240 how concerned are you about Trump's policies? 430 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,200 And she's telling me it's to the point where I'm scared to renew 431 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,960 my passport because I'm afraid they will force my passport to 432 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,880 say male instead of female. And it's very self-evident to 433 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:21,240 anyone who meets her that she is not a male after all the work 434 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 and investment she's made to feel comfortable in her skin. 435 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,520 What is actually happening to the trans community right now? 436 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,480 And how can we help so as? I sit here, I wish this the 437 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,040 stakes were just an M on my passport. 438 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:39,000 It is so far beyond that. And you know, the Trump 439 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,880 administration is getting more and more extreme on this. 440 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,840 You know, just a few weeks ago, Idaho passed a ban if I use the 441 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,960 bathroom there. As someone who has had 442 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,160 vaginoplasty, I'm legally female. 443 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,320 I've not even held a girl's hand romantically since 444 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,880 transitioning. I've got no interest in in 445 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,880 women. I've been married to a man for 446 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:04,640 18 years, for God's sakes. Even someone like me who I think 447 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,200 I'd pass reasonably well, you know, if I use women's bathroom 448 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:13,040 in Idaho, it's a felony and I go to jail for five years. 449 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,280 This is extreme public policy and I think y'all don't 450 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,800 understand what happens if I just merely go around, you know, 451 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,320 my life, outing myself. People look at you differently. 452 00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:30,080 They it's a risk of violence. Men get weird when they're 453 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,680 attracted to you and you're trans Y'all have no idea. 454 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,200 Then you take a step further. It's incredibly degrading. 455 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,040 Yeah. I really am unsure if in five 456 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,440 years insurance is going to pay for any of the treatment that 457 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,600 made my life livable. And to be clear, I paid for it 458 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560 myself. You know, this new generation of 459 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,840 girls, thank God, had coverage for all this surgery, which is 460 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,160 objectively so helpful. I think this is going to 461 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,360 disappear. And to be clear, I do blame the 462 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:06,480 Trump administration and the right wingers, but I also blame 463 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,320 this extremist political project by progressives that has put not 464 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,520 just the right wing against us, but normal sane people in the 465 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,720 middle that are looking at policies like they can clearly 466 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,960 see these identities are being marketed to their children that 467 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,360 don't have gender dysphoria and they want to push back. 468 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,640 So, you know, I am desperately scared if trans people are going 469 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,160 to have any future in this country. 470 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,480 And I have had discussions with people like, would you like, can 471 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,600 I stay at your place in Israel if we keep going down this path? 472 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,560 I'm not sure I'm going to have access to HRT at all in 10 473 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,880 years. I'm really worried about that. 474 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,960 And I think respectfully, I would tell your right wing trans 475 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,120 friend that came on your show to wake up because they just don't 476 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,960 have a good appraisal of this situation. 477 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,240 Is there? Anything that we can do, is it 478 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,480 voted out? Is it something else? 479 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,640 I think we need good people to stand up in the middle and 480 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,560 develop a constituency in the middle. 481 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,360 Because, you know, this is really the problem, isn't it, on 482 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,560 trans public policy? The way to push back on this 483 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,680 traditionally has been to vote for Democrats. 484 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,920 I can't blame a Jew for not voting for this version of the 485 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,040 Democratic Party. Look at what we're doing with 486 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,040 this Iran policy. It's so clearly International 487 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,680 Security interest, and we're trying to undermine our 488 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,200 president. It's absurd. 489 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,680 So, you know, I would love to tell you that to vote harder 490 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,120 from the Democrats would solve it. 491 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:38,240 But we're so far beyond that. Like both of us have got to 492 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,560 start carving out this same, you know, public policy pathway in 493 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,000 the middle and start rewarding people on both sides that have 494 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,920 same policy. Like it's so the stakes are so 495 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,880 much bigger. I, I want to be honest to say I 496 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,360 don't think Jews are going to be safe from the Republican Party 497 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,800 long term either. I think right now it's a better 498 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,800 home for you than the Democratic Party. 499 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,360 But like, unless all of you are planning on moving to Israel at 500 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,680 some point, we're going to have to do this hard work carving out 501 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,120 a senator again for my public policy and yours in supporting 502 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:18,080 Israel one. Of the themes of the season is 503 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,600 the understanding that when it comes to teaching about, you 504 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,280 know, anti-Semitism or Israel, it is a lot more effective when 505 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,680 done by non Jew. The non Jews are reliable 506 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,160 narrator in the way that the Jew apparently is not right. 507 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,600 And I'm curious, what do you think is most effective and 508 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:42,640 compelling non Jews to understand how things kind of 509 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,680 really are and to get them to walk back from this extreme 510 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,200 position they may have taken? Again, I'm going to tell. 511 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,280 You the truth. I'm not trying to be offensive 512 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,440 but I think when Jews talk about your history to non Jews, I'm 513 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,560 sorry it's a history lesson or ramping it up in the Holocaust. 514 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,840 Or it's assuming like I know about the six day fucking war 515 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,120 and all this stuff is assumed. So much knowledge. 516 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,640 You gotta set the stakes better. It's like look these Islamist 517 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,520 nut jobs fired 10s of thousands of missiles at civilians in the 518 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,160 last few years. You've got to be able to tell 519 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,360 this story more plainly and more emotional terms. 520 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,920 And you know, this is something I really wish y'all would do. 521 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:34,440 This show Israel kicking more ass like this is America we are 522 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,320 the country. The main Top Gun for one movie 523 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,080 in multiple decades. Yeah people going and defeating 524 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,720 evil by kicking some ass is a very American like storyline. 525 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,640 I don't understand why images in the IDF, y'all don't just 526 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,200 blanket the media with it. That beeper attack, you know, 527 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,080 against, you know, Hezbollah. That was one of the finest 528 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,160 operations like in human history. 529 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,200 Why are there not 8 movies being made about that? 530 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,640 You've got to be willing to to be less apologetic about who you 531 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,200 are and you've got to be able to tell a quicker, more emotional 532 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,400 story. It's it's just, it's so 533 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,800 convoluted. Normal people cannot make heads 534 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,840 or tails to it. I completely agree with what 535 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,760 you're saying and at the same time I'm worried it will 536 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,080 backfire so bad. Because if you look at some of 537 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,080 the reporting that the ADL has put out, for example, anytime 538 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,680 the Jew is portrayed as strong and Israel is portrayed as 539 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:34,560 strong, it only kind of backfires because then it's food 540 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,680 as like, Oh well of course you know those sneaky Jews are 541 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:43,240 getting America to invest and so they can be strong and bomb the 542 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,440 poor Palestinians. Like that becomes the talking 543 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,480 point I think. That's a fairpoint. 544 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,240 I I think it's actually very well said. 545 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,000 There's certainly a storyline out there. 546 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,360 The Jews are the impressors rather than someone you know, 547 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640 some point 1,000,000, you know, Jews. 548 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,600 And then with the 2.3 million Arabs being targeted by the 400 549 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,800 million Muslim in the Muslims majority country in that era 550 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,840 region. I mean, I certainly agree with 551 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,920 you. That's the storyline. 552 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:14,000 But he's trying to like is portraying yourselves as weak 553 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280 and the victim. Is that really working either? 554 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,520 It's like you're screwed either way so why not just tell the 555 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,920 truth? I think the problem here is no 556 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,560 one's just willing to say the truth. 557 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,200 And the truth is these Islamists. 558 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,040 I saw the secret October 7th video in an IDF paste. 559 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,160 They fucking loved dismembering y'all. 560 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,200 Like I remember this clip of an IDF soldier king like ripped to 561 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:43,080 pieces by a mom and this person like rips up the body part and 562 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,800 holds it over his head with the biggest was gleaming smile I've 563 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,880 ever seen. Lies covered in his blood. 564 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,400 They they fucking loved it. They weren't a great time. 565 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,200 It's disgusting and I don't know what we just can't say. 566 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240 These are some people that are obsessed with killing Jews. 567 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,880 It's the truth. Do you? 568 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,240 Feel there are any Jewish organizations today or maybe 569 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,160 even non Jewish that are doing a good job in telling the story in 570 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,160 a way that's compelling and taking actions in a way that's 571 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,160 prudent Is there anything you've seen I. 572 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,560 Have friends at the ADL that work on, you know, say they're 573 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400 digital extremist Group. They're doing great work. 574 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,520 And I'm not trying to blanket the ADL as a blanket 575 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,400 organization. They do a lot of good work. 576 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,080 It's controversial. I think J Street does some good 577 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,280 work in certain areas that I agree with. 578 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,480 I think the Jewish Federation does good work in like local 579 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,080 organizing. Like all these groups do some 580 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,200 good work directionally. And I would never like there's a 581 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,480 frustration. So I would never like put a 582 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,000 blanket attack on them. But I would respectfully say to 583 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,960 the ADL, here's a really good example that despite all the the 584 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,200 courting of Elon Musk that they did and pulling their punches on 585 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,320 him, he was blasting the ADL to hear him back on Twitter just 586 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,640 last week and none of it mattered. 587 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,920 I think that there needs to be a real awareness that this is not 588 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,320 the 1980s anymore. You are not going to win the 589 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,120 public hearts and minds by putting out a press conference 590 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,160 for CNN and going and doing some television hits with no 591 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,040 attrition. Respectful this is full on 592 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,080 information warfare need to be developing stars that can work 593 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,600 in that format my friend. You know like I don't understand 594 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,400 why Emily Schrader does not have her own Piers Morgan debate ship 595 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,400 that would cost what a few $100,000 a year to produce. 596 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Like why don't you have here her over there producing viral clips 597 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,720 every week of her destroying this miss on these facts my 598 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,840 friend Elon left like why is he not blanketed on the airwaves 599 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,640 with a team of people mind he's attractive, he's smart, he's 600 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,200 well spoken. He appeals to both signs. 601 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,400 I just don't understand why you're not funding this 602 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,720 information warfare. That's got to be a top priority 603 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,360 of these leaks. So that's my view. 604 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,960 It's. Interesting because if only it 605 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,280 it seems like they're only doing the reverse, which is, you know, 606 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,040 Jewish specific streaming platforms and Jewish specific 607 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,880 publications. But this is a non Jews issue. 608 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560 No, which you? Need to be. 609 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,400 Talking to people like me. Yeah. 610 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,800 I'm sorry. Like, I think your, your 611 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,159 greatest strength is your greatest weakness here. 612 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,560 Like, I, as a trans woman, really respect how Jews stick 613 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,360 together. And you have your own culture 614 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,800 and you have your Shabbat dinners. 615 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,760 We hang out with each other. Like you truly have each other's 616 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,639 backs in a way I deeply envy as a trans woman. 617 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,080 The problem is you'd love to talk to yourselves. 618 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,000 And you are low trust right now with the Goya, which I 619 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,440 understand. I get it. 620 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,679 We've betrayed you, but we're still the majority of this 621 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,760 country. You got to make some allies up 622 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,360 there. So, you know, like invest in the 623 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,600 Brianna Woos, invest in Emily. Like you've just got to move 624 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:07,880 beyond having conversations with yourself at glorious conferences 625 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,960 where you preach to the choir. You've got to get in the mix and 626 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,520 it's going to be dirty and it's not going to be dignified. 627 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,480 Like there's nothing dignified but going on. 628 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,920 Pierce Morgan I've done it multiple times, but you know, it 629 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,960 is unfortunately the way politics works in 2026, this is. 630 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,400 Super insightful and I'm grateful for your candor. 631 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,320 I'm grateful that I get to hear it from you. 632 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,560 It confirms some of the things that I think so that I feel I am 633 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,880 not a crazy person. As part of the segment Every boy 634 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080 You Will enjoy it gets to ask me as you a question about anything 635 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,840 you've been wondering. You know your big thing is 636 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,640 integrity and honesty and so is mine. 637 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,760 So you can literally ask anything you would like and I 638 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,880 will tell you straight and if I don't know, I'll tell you too. 639 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,400 So I was wondering if there's any question you have for me. 640 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,680 I do. So, you know, I recently did 641 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:04,200 ADNA test and I want to ask you, how many generations back do you 642 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,280 have to have a Jewish ancestor that you're considered Jewish? 643 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,400 Oh. Did your DNA test said some 644 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,440 percentage Jewish? I I don't we get into that 645 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,160 publicly, but I will say it's a question on my. 646 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,800 Well, I think the halahic answer would be it's not about how many 647 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:28,640 generations, it's whether you're, I guess, one of your 648 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,200 grandparents for, well, this is where it gets really 649 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,360 complicated. How long you would say if your 650 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,600 mother's Jewish, right? I don't support that. 651 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,480 I support anybody who has, for example, a Jewish parent. 652 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,440 I'm a very big supporter of patrilineal Jews. 653 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,240 Birthright would say is if you have a Jewish grandparent and 654 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,400 that could be on the mother's or father's side. 655 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,480 I believe that it's not so much about how many generations, but 656 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,920 whether you feel you want to be part of a tribe and be part of a 657 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,280 community. And for everybody, that's a 658 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,520 different choice and that's a different comfort level. 659 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,600 I struggle with this because it's not like a person can wake 660 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,520 up and say, well, I'm Jewish now, right? 661 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,040 I feel like there should be some kind of either graduation 662 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,400 ceremony or there should be a process, just like there would 663 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,440 be a process for most commitments that you make in 664 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,080 life. So that I don't know from a 665 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,960 genetic standpoint that there is a clear numerical cut off. 666 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,920 I think it's more of a philosophical one. 667 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,360 It makes a. Lot of sense to me. 668 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,440 Yeah. I just want to say letting 669 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,560 anyone in the gate has not worked out super well for trans 670 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,960 people. So I support Jews in keeping 671 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:37,120 that bar very high. Have a very difficult process to 672 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,280 get in. It doesn't work out well if you 673 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,360 don't. But let me ask you this. 674 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,520 Like as I understand it, there's some reform people that let 675 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,280 trans people in, but Orthodox people would not allow someone 676 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,960 like me to convert to Judaism. Is that correct? 677 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:54,840 I. Believe that orthodox people 678 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,320 would not let you convert not because of your genetics, but 679 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,880 because you're trans and they don't support trans people, 680 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,280 which is a different issue. Reforms. 681 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,720 And they would also not recognize a reform conversion 682 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,040 either. So let's imagine a hypothetical 683 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,840 scenario. You're like, hello, I want to 684 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,440 become Orthodox. I commit to living my life for 685 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,680 the rest of my time as an Orthodox person. 686 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,360 They would be like, yes, that's fine, your conversion counts. 687 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,880 Now you come to them and you say all the same stuff, and you say, 688 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,880 and I'm trans. They're like then never mind, 689 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,760 OK. Is that how long is that in your 690 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,600 book? Like what's the reasoning behind 691 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:33,360 that? I. 692 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,120 Don't know that trans people are in the book at all, which is why 693 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,920 I have so much concern with, you know, the Orthodox understanding 694 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,720 of gender identity. I don't agree with it. 695 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,080 I would have to ask because I myself am not Orthodox. 696 00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:50,480 So I have no idea because these things seem quite 697 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,000 straightforward to me as and for me. 698 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,960 Like if the more people there are that want to commit to a 699 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,160 Jewish life that are serious and intentional about it, the better 700 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,080 it is for us and the longevity of our community. 701 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,800 There is a component of this of wanting to maintain the Jewish 702 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,640 ethnic kind of DNA based lineage, but we also need to 703 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,440 raise Jewish children. So if that comes through 704 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,600 partnerships where one partner is not Jewish, but the next 705 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,280 generation will be Jewish, that's still a win because the 706 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,600 alternative is fully, quote UN quote, kosher Jewish kids that 707 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,680 do nothing Jewish and don't raise their own kids as Jewish. 708 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,440 And it's never an either or. But this matters. 709 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,520 It matters to raise Jewish children. 710 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,840 So if there are people out there that want to be part of the 711 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,080 tribe and are committed to ensuring the the next generation 712 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,840 is Jewish, that should be considered, you know, a green 713 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,760 light, all hands on deck. Those are the kinds of people we 714 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,400 want in our community. Well. 715 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,880 As much as estrogen and progesterone make me think about 716 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:52,760 about being pregnant, unfortunately I would not be 717 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,880 able to help with that much. But let me ask you this and this 718 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:01,880 is a super politically incorrect question so I apologize in 719 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,640 advance if I'm going to get cancelled. 720 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:09,640 But is I have been doing my work it is really hard for me not to 721 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:14,480 notice a pattern and that is people. 722 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,760 That have a tie to Jewish life and are actively involved in, 723 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,200 you know, their synagogue, their temple. 724 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,640 Like involved locally all share an opinion on Israel and share 725 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,960 concern about anti-Semitism. And it's really hard for me not 726 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:35,440 to notice that people that may have a Jewish parrot but don't 727 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,880 actively practice or live in the aspect of Judaism are the first 728 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:45,000 people to be out here saying as a Jew it's a genocide, Israel is 729 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,160 evil, blah blah blah. Is a is that assessment correct 730 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,080 and B is it OK for me to call that out? 731 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600 Like, am I being anti-Semitic if I were to call that out in the 732 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,080 course of doing my work? Which? 733 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,960 Part What are you calling out about them that they're Jewish 734 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,680 and saying is? Look, you don't have any ties to 735 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,840 like, Jewish life. What are you doing here? 736 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,280 Like people that actually do seem to have a different 737 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,560 community. So does your kind of expertise 738 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,840 on Jewish life permit you to critique the community or let if 739 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,040 you have none at all, does that make you once again a reliable 740 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,600 narrator on behalf of the Jewish people? 741 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,760 I agree with you. I think if you're just happened 742 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,000 to be born Jewish and you know nothing about Jewish life, never 743 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,480 engaged, you are not a voice of authority on this matters. 744 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,680 You would say the same for anyone who claims to know art or 745 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,520 science or whatever. We all know how to paint. 746 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,320 It doesn't make us an artist. It should be evaluated on merit, 747 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:47,120 not by identity politics alone. So this whole like as a Jew is 748 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,640 not actually a qualification for a thoughtful opinion at all. 749 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,840 Doesn't matter what the opinion is or where it comes from. 750 00:41:54,840 --> 00:42:00,440 That's why actually it like this is a on PC take from my side. 751 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,160 I was super against affirmative action when it came out because 752 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,920 I thought that the one where there would be like a 753 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,920 rudimentary quota because in the workplace, for example, or in a 754 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:16,200 college campus, your identity alone does not make you 755 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,000 qualified or more or less qualified. 756 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,120 Your application should be reviewed, your resume should be 757 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,360 reviewed, your experience at the same time, because there is 758 00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,320 implicit bias. I believed in things like your 759 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,120 name shouldn't be on your resume so that people cannot infer your 760 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,680 gender or your race and make an assumption. 761 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,040 That's why those blind auditions for musicians into an orchestra 762 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,400 were so successful at getting women through the door, because 763 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:46,160 the implicit bias was removed. We should be evaluating opinions 764 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,320 and thoughts, philosophies on the merit of the idea, the 765 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,840 substance of the idea, not who it comes from. 766 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,960 The thing about like the as a Jew movement is it's very much a 767 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,840 product of this kind of backward inverted morality that you 768 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,560 talked about earlier of identity politics and somebody feeling 769 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,520 entitled just because they're a Jew or just because they're a 770 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,640 minority, just because they're oppressed. 771 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,760 And this contest of oppression, that population is increasingly 772 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,440 growing. And there's not a clear, you 773 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,720 know, there's not a neat answer as to why. 774 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,040 And more importantly, there's not a neat answer as to what to 775 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,960 do about it. So the one correlation that's 776 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,160 been made a parent is that kids that go to Jewish sleepaway camp 777 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,200 tend to not become as a Jew. So what I've seen Jewish 778 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,880 organizations say is you don't want to have an as a Jew kid, 779 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,960 send them to summer camp, Jewish summer camp. 780 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,160 I mean, yeah, no, I see. So many parallels here because 781 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,440 there's so many trans women that try to escape structural 782 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,720 oppression by just going stealth and never admitting it. 783 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,280 And I'm I'm so, you know, I didn't come out publicly as 784 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,280 trans until two years ago because I thought we needed some 785 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,240 sane leadership in this movement. 786 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:02,760 Something I've seen, and this is even with friends, but that 787 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,000 dearly respect is the way that they've navigated anti-Semitism 788 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,040 is to really de emphasize that Jewishness and to not practice 789 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,600 Jewish life and just move it into the background. 790 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,960 Yeah, they marry non Jews. They don't go to, you know, they 791 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,440 don't go to temple. And I get it, I really do. 792 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,200 I lived my life for 20 years, which is not thinking about 793 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,640 transsexuality as much as I I could. 794 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,680 But I think it's, it's different because there's no upside to 795 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,640 being transsexual. Like it's a, it's essentially a 796 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,040 disability in my view. And Jewish life just seems so 797 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,040 rich and interesting philosophically. 798 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,080 I don't know, there's just, it just seems sad to me to see 799 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,720 people I respect like denying parts of who they are to 800 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,360 basically to assimilate into the rest of the American project. 801 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:52,920 I just don't get it. They'll have. 802 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,480 The honor, I always say this, and this is so mean, I said. 803 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,120 They'll have the special honor of being on the last train to 804 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,440 Auschwitz when their time comes. Yeah. 805 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,240 That's what I. Say, this has been incredible. 806 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,200 Tell me, how can people connect with you and keep up with your 807 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,360 work? Yeah, look. 808 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,760 For me, on social, I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook, I'm 809 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,160 on Twitter too much. I've got a big project coming up 810 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,400 that I'm sure people are going to hear about soon on 811 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,000 information warfare. Great. 812 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,280 So when that comes around to you, maybe pay some attention to 813 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:24,880 it. Are you going? 814 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,240 To run for something I would like to vote for you. 815 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,720 I I've. Thought about it, I don't think 816 00:45:29,720 --> 00:45:32,920 my voice is at a point where I could do that for the 8 hours a 817 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,680 day. Yeah, but you know, I'm going to 818 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,120 do another session of another surgery on my vocal folds in the 819 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,120 next few months and we'll see if that keeps improving it. 820 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,840 So fingers crossed on that. I'm so. 821 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,240 Excited for you thank you for the privilege of having this 822 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,320 conversation. I'm team always meet your idols, 823 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,800 you know, or always meet your heroes. 824 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,160 People say never meet your heroes. 825 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,320 I always meet my heroes and I always have the best experience 826 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,400 ever and it's a privilege to add you to the list. 827 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,880 Thank you so much. I have to. 828 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,160 Push back on that. It makes me so uncomfortable 829 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,520 when anyone thanks me for for standing with y'all. 830 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,000 I don't think I I came back later and told some of the Jews 831 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,720 that helped me transition. That was meaningful to me. 832 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,760 But I don't think, you know, I never told my therapist, my 833 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,480 Jewish therapist, he was my hero. 834 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,560 He was just someone, a human doing a decent thing for me when 835 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,080 he saw that I needed it. It's all I'm doing for you. 836 00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:27,400 Like I see my humanity reflected back in y'all. 837 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,920 And I'm so honored to stand with you and I. 838 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,200 I have to say one more thing. I have worked on countless 839 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,960 political initiatives. I got famous during Gamergate. 840 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,080 I've worked in Democratic Party. Me too. 841 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,440 You know, I've been in some of the biggest fights in this 842 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,480 country and I, I genuinely mean this. 843 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,920 I have never worked with a people whose humanity is 844 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:55,720 brighter, who are willing to sacrifice themselves for a 845 00:46:55,720 --> 00:47:00,320 greater cause and just are as decent as the Jewish community. 846 00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,880 And I think part of why I feel so strongly about this issue is 847 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,920 y'all are just fun to work with. So I'm I'm genuinely awkward to 848 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,480 be in this fight with you. Thanks. 849 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:10,000 So. Much. 850 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,160 This has been incredible. Yeah, Thank you. 851 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:12,760 Very. 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