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Hello everyone, I'm Diane 
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I'm also known as Silver 
Disobedience, and this is the 

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Silver Disobedience Perception 
Dynamics podcast. 

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And we're recording an iconic 
Manhattan center, which is 

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really cool. 
I love the studio. 

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We're in TV too, so this is a 
lot of fun. 

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I have got a really fascinating 
guest. 

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He's one of the most 
knowledgeable people that I have

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ever met about health and 
nutrition and longevity and just

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plain looking good. 
What you're going to see when 

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you see him. 
His name's Doctor Fred 

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Pescatore. 
Full disclosure, he's been my 

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personal physician for years and
has really helped me over the 

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years with losing weight after 
children, staying healthy, 

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staying strong. 
And we're going to be talking 

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about the myths that proliferate
all over online. 

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And we're just going to have 
this free for all conversation, 

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which should be a lot of fun. 
Oh, and I also want to mention 

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he's the author of many, many 
books that you will want to 

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read. 
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dieting to asthma to think, how 
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them healthy. 
A really great selection to 

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consider. 
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see him here today if you find 
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because he is the celebrity, go 
to commentator. 

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Hello, Doctor Fred Pescatore. 
Hello, Diane. 

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Thank you so much for having me,
and I don't know if I could live

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up to that introduction, but we 
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Oh, I have no doubt you can and 
you do. 

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So let's just start with the 
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any form of social media, 
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Facebook, there is always some 
new diet trend that somebody's 

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touting. 
What is the first advice right 

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off the top of your head that 
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they say I saw this new thing on
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I would say stop, stop following
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No, I, you know, there are a lot
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I'm not going to or TikTok, 
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that, right? 
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people I've even known to do 
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credible people on there. 
You offer great cooking tips. 

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My cooking show. 
It's silly but fun. 

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But yeah, I mean, it's 
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I would have had a different 
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this week about this question 
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for my newsletter about this 
study that just came out 

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comparing 8 different diets, 
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DASH diet that this the American
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know, just all sorts of eight 
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And they were looking at terms 
of does it affect longevity? 

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Oh. 
And the PEEP, no matter what 

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diet you looked at, the people 
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longest. 
That is fascinating. 

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So it's just plain the idea of 
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That is all because. 
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And I think because these diets 
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there's certainly because no 
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a ton of sugar, no diet's going 
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None of those diets are going to
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things that cause chronic 
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So I think if people, and I've 
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people need to do things 
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proves it. 
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diet that I follow and, and that
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others, as you know. 
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I, I say this to people all the 
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of people on the planet. 
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like that. 
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to what we eat. 
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So the answer to that question 
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You know, choose a lane and stay
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the biggest obstacle, and I've 
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30 years and diet and nutrition 
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The biggest obstacle is I can't 
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The I can't, I can't give up. 
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do this. 
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mean, it's that simple. 
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well, as awful as our food 
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plentiful for every budget. 
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be willing to just explore and 
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I'll do it for two weeks. 
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vacation for two weeks. 
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back on it. 
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I try to tell people it's like 
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school was a goal for many of 
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high school, college and all the
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that goal. 
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our health. 
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I want to look like you, you 
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Well, it takes a lot of work and
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if you have a goal that's here, 
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have a goal that's here and you 
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it, that's a lot of work, right?
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line, you'll get to that goal. 
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thing for people to acknowledge.
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young boy, 14 years old, 15 year
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He is feeling, he's been on my 
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He's been feeling the best he's 
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Like was on ADD, Medicare, like 
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kids are on these days, ADD 
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stomach medications, because 
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medications that cause stomach 
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ADD medication now has never 
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What did they say? 
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can I go off this diet? 
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so good. 
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When can I go off this diet? 

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instead of a long term. 
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how we have so long thought 
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on a diet. 
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program that you follow. 
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vegetarian. 
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patterns that we follow. 
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it's not, I'm going on a diet. 
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That's how I eat, right? 

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educating themselves about it. 
And it's not, I'm doing this for

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X. 
To achieve Y, No, Y is to live 

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the longest, healthiest life you
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you've got to sleep, you've got 
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to do all those fun things. 
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mother used to say, which was 
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known how long I'd live, I'd 
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You would feel better. 
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it was easier for them to be 
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always have shorter life 
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on women's life expectancies of 
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the life expectancy really was. 
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many older women that have lived
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generation of our parents, he 
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War, which I can't even imagine 
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out of service, how they still 
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It's, it's, you know, I've been 

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reading, I've been doing a lot 
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about the number that you live 
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are getting to that number. 
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interesting statistic that came 
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you've sort of you've, you've 
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Do you agree with it? 
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I mean, I think it's, I mean 
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the study just does go on to 
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not, you know, they will 
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healthier 85 or a healthier 95. 
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arthritis and things like that. 
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these chronic illnesses that we 
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I'm, I'm, my heart is in really 
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Like what you put in is what 
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biotechnology, which is which I 
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There's a time and a place for 
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Yet at the same time it's, oh, 
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you know, and chronic diseases, 
I want to say to people all the 

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time, if only you would just 
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such resistance. 
I can't imagine your day and the

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resistance you face. 
It's all day, all day. 

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Every day is resistance. 
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I tell people, they ask me what 
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I tell them and it's it's this, 
it's a negotiation, right? 

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What should I get? 

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bottle, don't even get water. 
Like walk away. 

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I said I'm never going to 

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condone what you get in 
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condone fast food. 
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But if you want to do it, you 
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you like so far. 
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to what they can have and not 
getting the full concept that 

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basically you're somehow 
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I mean, I'm not sure what that 
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equation of. 
Course, you're not harming my 

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health by going to McDonald's 
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Well, I shouldn't say that, but 
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health when you eat fast food, 
processed food, ultra processed 

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foods. 
I mean, I'm so happy now all of 

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that's coming to light and in 
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We've been talking about ultra 
processed foods for how many? 

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My entire career I've been 
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foods, plastic. 
I haven't used plastic in a 

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decade at least. 
You were also the person I first

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learned about the differences in
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Yes. 
You know, I remember you talking

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about macadamia, olive oil. 
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the traditional seed oils. 
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health. 
And I'm not here to say you have

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to be perfect, right? 
We're not perfect people. 

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None of us are. 
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say you do something 90% right, 
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dieting, what a difference, what
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how you feel, how you act 
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yourself to the world, how, how 
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It's it's just remarkable to me 

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when when people do those 
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for their own good. 
If someone was to say to you, 

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what's the first number one 
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I'm not ready to change my life.
I just want to feel better. 

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What would you tell them? 
Probably to exercise. 

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I think I would do that. 
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is just cut out sugar and 
processed foods, right? 

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That that's the best thing you 
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But but what really what we're 
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decrease inflammation in our 
bodies. 

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And we're understanding more and
more how inflammation, you know,

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things like Alzheimer's disease,
neuro inflammation, shocking, 

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you know, things like multiple 
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the diseases we fear, they're 
all inflammatory related. 

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Heart disease is inflammatory 
related. 

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Cancer probably has an 
inflammatory basis as well. 

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So, so why are we not addressing
the real causes of, of 

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inflammation, right? 
And that's the stressors we 

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personally do to ourselves. 
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stress. 
There's not nothing we can do 

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about that. 
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that? 
Why would we make it worse? 

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I, I think that's really, you 
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goes on in my mind like you're 
drinking soda, really. 

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Well, that's one I mean. 
So maybe give up soda. 

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Maybe that's something simple, 
you know, they only have to be 

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simple steps. 
Give up X you know. 

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How about stop chewing gum with 
all the micro? 

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Quests because I do love to chew
gum. 

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Oh the micro plastics in the 1st
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something like 683 on average. 
Micro plastics A. 

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Piece of gum. 
Every kind of gum. 

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Every. 
Kind of bumming my. 

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Head, whether it's natural gum 
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unnatural gum, whatever you call
it. 

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No, yes, I just wrote an article
about that. 

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It's just it's crazy how much 
microplastic is released in gum.

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I have never heard that and I 
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Oh wow, don't negotiate with me.
I'm, I'm gonna, I, I can't 

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exactly, you know, that's my 
problem in life. 

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Once I hear something, I can't 
put the genie back in the 

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bottle. 
So now that's going to be 

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bothering me or I'll be living 
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dissonance, you know, and like 
that conflict, that self 

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conflict of, oh, I can't put 
that gum in my mouth. 

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Wow. 
Yeah, microplastics and gum. 

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Yeah, well, gum's made out of 
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plastic, a lot of it. 
What about that? 

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What about that gum that tastes 
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No. 
They tested natural gums and 

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they tested artificial gums. 
There's no way I'm getting 

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around gum here. 
Nope. 

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Wow. 
Nope. 

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Nope. 
OK, I might not ever invite you 

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back. 
Wow. 

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Every time I meet with you, you 
open up my mind to something 

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new. 
And like you, you can't change 

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it to me, once I know it, I 
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And you know, here F1 has become
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like, oh, is McLaren beating 
Ferrari? 

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And when you think about it, I 
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human body and what we put into 
it. 

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And as great as those cars are, 
in a split second, the human 

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body's doing more than that F1 
car is doing and you know, it's 

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lap or whatever. 
Absolutely. 

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We're an incredibly complicated 
machine. 

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I was just in Ferrari world 
actually. 

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You were. 
Last week fun, but yeah, that 

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was super fun. 
But anyway, that's off topic 

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but. 
Ferraris are never off topic. 

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They are a fine machine, but 
they're not as fine as the human

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body we're talking. 
About, and, and if you think 

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about what the human body 
actually does, right, how we 

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have managed to, we don't feed 
it correctly. 

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So we don't, we, so we give, 
we're giving a Ferrari unleaded 

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gasoline, right? 
We, we breathe in things that 

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are terrible for us. 
We, we, we're just, I mean, we 

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don't sleep enough. 
Our digestion is really bad. 

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So if you think about what we do
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expectancy still goes up every 
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So it's amazing how our bodies, 
you know, and along with, you 

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know, along with medical 
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and whatever, whatever, but it's
amazing that our bodies are able

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to cope with all the change that
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100 years. 
Like we were basically the same 

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up until 100 years ago, the way 
we ate, you know, we didn't have

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the air pollution, we had the 
water pollution. 

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We didn't have any of that stuff
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And everything changed, 
including our awful food supply.

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When you see the bio hackers and
the trend in biohacking, what 

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are your thoughts on that? 
My thoughts are I'm very 

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interested in it, obviously. 
I think there's certainly 

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something to all of it. 
We don't know yet, right? 

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And then, and only time will 
tell, but you know, there's, 

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there's an article that came out
recently about santiotic cells 

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and how cells die and, and those
types of things. 

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And I think that's what people 
are trying to do is to prevent 

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cells from dying, you know, and,
and if we have biohacking on a 

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grand scale, you know, there's 
there's ethical concerns clearly

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about that because, you know, 
maybe we want older people to 

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pass and younger people with 
different ideas to move into 

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those spaces and give the world 
a chance to grow in a different 

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way. 
But that's an ethical 

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conversation. 
But from a simply medical 

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conversation, I think it's 
fascinating. 

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I mean, the fact that we can 
look at things like metformin, 

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which is a, you know, an anti 
blood sugar, you know, a blood 

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sugar drug that increases 
longevity in mice. 

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I'm sure it probably increases 
longevity in humans. 

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But why? 
Because it keeps blood sugar 

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low, right? 
Because sugar is one of the key 

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inflammatory ingredients in our 
body. 

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Oh, that food nobody wants to 
acknowledge is a problem. 

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Absolutely. 
I think it should have AI think 

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it should have a big warning 
label and it should be hashtag 

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sugar kills on the on every 
ingredient and everything that 

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has sugar in it. 
But. 

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You know, it's interesting you 
say that. 

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I remember, Oh my gosh, it has 
to be almost 40 years ago 

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reading, I think it was written 
by Herbert Shelton possibly. 

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And you know, so we're going 
really back in writing. 

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What was he writing in the 8, 
the late 1800s, early 1900s? 

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And he was comparing sugar to a 
crystalline substance that sold 

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for thousands of dollars. 
And you know, you're reading 

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this whole thing, but you think 
you're reading about the heroin 

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trade, you know, or something 
like that because he's talking 

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about how it got smuggled across
borders and and the price it 

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went for per pound when it was 
first out. 

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And then all of a sudden he says
yeah, and we're talking about. 

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Sugar. 
Exactly. 

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Sugar used to be expensive. 
Sugar was a treat. 

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Very special occasions. 
People couldn't afford sugar. 

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And the addictive nature of it 
was acknowledged at some point. 

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Yes, acknowledged, but nothing 
done about. 

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It exactly So what do you think 
went into that history where it 

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kind of got ignored is it just 
plain manufacturing and. 

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I think it's manufacturing. 
I think it's got to do with big 

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pharma, probably because they 
don't have no interest in 

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keeping us healthy. 
I I. 

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They only have interest in 
keeping us unhealthy. 

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They sell more product that way.
I mean, now with the gang, but 

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you know, with the weight loss 
drugs, they're making more money

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than they know what to do with, 
which I think is, you know, a 

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blessing and maybe a curse. 
I don't know. 

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I haven't figured that part out 
yet. 

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I'm still working on that. 
But but I do think, you know, 

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people don't realize that sugar 
is not supposed to be plentiful 

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and it's not supposed to be in 
everything. 

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Well, you know, it's, it's 
interesting. 

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I have to go to the weight loss 
drugs because I, because, 

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because you bought it up, you 
opened the door and we discussed

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the operating systems of society
here. 

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And I know people who I can 
absolutely say that I would, it 

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probably have to say I think 
it's changed their lives because

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of how they're viewing 
themselves. 

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I mean, if you're carrying £100 
or more and in a short period of

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time you can get that off. 
And you know, they're, I, I am a

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big believer with what you look 
like helps how you feel, how you

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function, how people perceive 
you, whether you want to accept 

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that or not. 
To me, you're ignoring certain 

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social biology. 
If you ignore that people aren't

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attracted to a certain look, 
whatever that look is, people 

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get attracted to certain looks. 
So to lose all that weight, I 

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think that's fantastic. 
But I really wonder about what 

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is coming after it, you know, 
what are going to be the side 

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effects that start to rise from 
these drugs, which are really 

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the effects of them. 
And that really concerns me. 

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You've, you've seen how a lot of
the weight that's lost is, you'd

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know the percentages. 
It's close to 40% of the weight 

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lost is muscle mass. 
But see, here's here's the 

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misconception about that. 
OK, I want to hear. 

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It from you, your conception 
about that is you have to 

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realize, let's think about a 
piece of steak. 

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Yep. 
Like, let's think of a nice rib 

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eye, all that delicious marbling
and all of that. 

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That's fat in the muscle. 
When you take the fat out of the

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muscle, the muscle shrinks. 
It's not the muscle shrinking, 

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it's the fat in the muscle 
shrinking. 

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OK, I I can't argue that one. 
That's an interesting point. 

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And, and a lot of people who are
not, and not by people, I mean 

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practitioners or silly people 
that sell this stuff online, you

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know, and. 
That online stuff's insane. 

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Ridiculous. 
But the point is, you've got to 

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be able to tell your patients 
because as you probably know, I 

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have many, many, many patients 
on these things and have for 

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years. 
They never get the saggy face, 

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they never get the droopy skin. 
They never get any of that. 

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Because you also have to tell 
people you got to exercise, 

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you've got to lift weights while
you're doing, you've got to 

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increase your protein content, 
all of those things that will 

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keep that muscle. 
This is why you are essential to

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the It's serious. 
I'm really serious because first

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of all, I do know people who are
getting this online, which is 

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insane. 
I interviewed a DEA agent not 

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too long ago who's telling me 
about how 2 grains of sugar, if 

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it was fentanyl, could kill you 
and how much is getting into the

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drug supply that people are just
because there's no manufacturing

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controls and the fentanyl could 
be made in the same place the 

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fake Ozempic or Wagovy are 
getting made. 

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So he's saying stop ordering it 
online. 

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That's number one. 
But the other thing that's so 

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interesting about what you say 
is a lot of these people are 

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getting it from a doctor and not
really under medical care, 

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nutritional health care. 
They're not getting that doctor 

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like you, who I know would make 
sure that person's paying 

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attention because you would give
them the information to not have

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your one meal a day be brownies 
because you're now all over the 

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place and you're like, I didn't 
eat all day so I can eat this 

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tray of brownies. 
Exactly, exactly. 

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But that doesn't decrease the 
inflammation in your body now, 

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does it? 
Right. 

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So it might decrease the weight,
but it doesn't. 

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Now look, I think these drugs 
have the potential to change the

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world, right, because they can 
decrease inflammation. 

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They can, which means they'll I 
get people off of blood pressure

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medications, cholesterol 
medications, all a diabetes 

448
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,720
medic, all except for this one 
drug. 

449
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,280
So big shift. 
So while they may have been on 

450
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,240
10 different drugs, they could 
be on one drug. 

451
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,560
That's phenomenal right there in
itself. 

452
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,680
I got to concede because you 
don't have the potential 

453
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,120
interactions because none of 
these drugs, you know, a blood 

454
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:21,880
pressure drug is never tested 
with you know what a cholesterol

455
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,800
lowering medication in the same 
trial. 

456
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,440
It's extremely rare, right? 
Right. 

457
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,360
So I just think it's, it's, it's
so I mean, these drugs now may 

458
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,600
or may not help Alzheimer's, 
probably because of 

459
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,600
neuroinflammation. 
They may or may not. 

460
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,880
I mean, they do help kidney 
function, you know, which will 

461
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,240
make your blood pressure go 
away, which will decrease 

462
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,760
cardiovascular events, which 
will decrease stroke risk. 

463
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,680
You know, all of these things. 
I think it's pretty remarkable 

464
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,000
if we don't see some awful thing
happening 10 years from now, 

465
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,720
right? 
You know, but I would think, and

466
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,240
you know, if you think in 
science, science purely 

467
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,280
scientific terms, the way you 
figure out whether a drug is 

468
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,720
going to work is by how many 
it's called powering. 

469
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,000
So I need 10,000 people to prove
that that's called powering or I

470
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,800
need 5000. 
That would be the power. 

471
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,880
So we have millions of people on
these drugs now for at least a 

472
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,040
couple years, Millions. 
Wouldn't we have seen something 

473
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,320
by now? 
Well, the biggest thing we're 

474
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,960
seeing which is very interesting
is I saw a couple of food 

475
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,760
manufacturing companies, I was 
listening to the quarterly 

476
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,800
announcements by them and 
reading some of the quarter 

477
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,800
quarterly reports and snack 
foods are way down in 

478
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,640
consumption. 
Less people are buying them. 

479
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,800
The cereal based foods have gone
down in the snack kind of things

480
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,680
have gone down and I've heard 
more than one CEO say we call it

481
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,120
the Ozempic effect or the 
Wagovia effect. 

482
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,080
Absolutely. 
I mean, I think, I mean, it's 

483
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,840
changing the way people eat, 
which is not a bad thing at all.

484
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:03,320
You know, and I and I also don't
believe that we need to worry 

485
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
whether someone has to stay on 
it for the rest of their lives. 

486
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,760
You just read my mind. 
I was going to ask you that. 

487
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,600
Are these lifetime medications? 
For a lot of my patients, no, 

488
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,160
because again, they're working 
with me. 

489
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,000
I'm counseling them. 
They know, you know, let's say 

490
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,800
they've been on it for a year, 
they know to instead of taking 

491
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,120
it every week, they'll take it 
every eight days, every nine 

492
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,040
days, every 10 days. 
They'll take it before they go 

493
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
on vacation, They'll take it 
when they get back from a 

494
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,080
vacation, just things like that.
So they'll micro dose it because

495
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,000
the one thing people love about 
these medications is the food 

496
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,440
noise going away. 
They're not thinking about 

497
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,920
eating. 
They're not worried what they're

498
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,120
putting in their mouth. 
It's not that constant. 

499
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:46,600
What am I eating? 
What am I going to eat next to? 

500
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,920
Am I going to eat with, you 
know, all of that food noise 

501
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,280
that people have around food 
behaviors? 

502
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,000
Why does that happen? 
Why does it go away? 

503
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,160
We don't know. 
That's why they're studying 

504
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,920
these drugs for for medical 
conditions. 

505
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,120
I mean for mental health 
conditions as well, but it's 

506
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:04,680
just quiet. 
It also from just in this is 

507
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,800
strictly from patient 
population. 

508
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,640
People want to drink less as 
well. 

509
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,120
So drink alcohol less. 
So they're looking at, you know,

510
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,760
for alcohol use disorder. 
They're doing studies on alcohol

511
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,320
use disorder for this. 
So it just decreased the desire 

512
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,280
to put things in your mouth. 
That's quite a phenomenon. 

513
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,200
And we don't know why yet, but 
someone will figure it out. 

514
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,240
I mean, if there's money in it, 
someone will figure. 

515
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:36,240
It out now you're when you have 
someone come in and you're, 

516
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,280
you're talking with them about 
their diet. 

517
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,720
You we said, OK, let's try to 
eliminate XY or Z. 

518
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
What would you try to get them 
to maximize? 

519
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Maximize. 
In addition to what they're 

520
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,440
eliminating, maybe they're 
cutting out the soda. 

521
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,280
What should they maximize? 
I mean, I think people need to 

522
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720
maximize. 
Besides exercise, we were just. 

523
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,040
Talking, No, no, I think they 
need, they need to maximize lean

524
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:05,120
protein sources, whether that be
OK, there's levels here, right. 

525
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800
So if we're going to start at a 
very basic level, the basic 

526
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,920
level would be eat leaner 
proteins, more fish, more 

527
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,360
poultry, that sort of thing, 
less red meat, increased 

528
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,000
vegetables. 
I mean, even today I had someone

529
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,640
say, well, I want to go to the 
Ponderosa. 

530
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,440
I'm like, I didn't even know 
they still existed. 

531
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,160
But yeah, I want to go to the 
Ponderosa and I'll get my steak 

532
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240
and my baked potato. 
And then he looks at me, he's 

533
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,520
like, oh, maybe not the baked 
potato, I'll have two vegetables

534
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,320
instead. 
Like, there you go. 

535
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,680
You'll have two vegetables 
instead of a potato. 

536
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,720
So I think so. 
It's increasing your vegetable 

537
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:47,240
content, Good healthy oils like 
nuts, You know, people forget 

538
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,840
about nuts. 
They think they shouldn't have 

539
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,560
them because they were so 
fattening. 

540
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,400
They're not fattening. 
They're part of a healthy diet. 

541
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,400
So that's where. 
So if they had to lose weight, 

542
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,160
that is where I would start 
first. 

543
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,400
Absolutely, 100%. 
If they didn't need to lose 

544
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,920
weight, you'd had in the 
legumes, you'd had in, you know,

545
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,240
healthy legumes, lower sugar 
fruits like berries and melons 

546
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,840
and things like that. 
So so just to have a more 

547
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,320
balanced, more colorful diet. 
Let's talk about steak. 

548
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,440
OK, let's go back to that. 
Yeah. 

549
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Red meat? 
What are your thoughts on? 

550
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,120
That I love red meat. 
I eat it all the time. 

551
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,720
I'm not, I'm not, I, I don't. 
But my red meat is not only 

552
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,000
grass fed, it's grass finished. 
So I know exactly where my cows 

553
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,640
are coming from. 
I know the farmer who's who's 

554
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,360
farming them. 
I know that they're past. 

555
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,080
They're moved from pasture to 
pasture. 

556
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,640
They're not like stuck in a pen 
somewhere. 

557
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,480
And they're grass finished. 
And that's the most important 

558
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,520
thing because grass fed is one 
thing and everybody's big on the

559
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,520
grass fed bandwagon because 
somehow that message has gone 

560
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,800
through. 
But what people don't understand

561
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
is grass fed means up until the 
last month of that animal's 

562
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120
life, it has to be grass fed. 
The last month you could feed it

563
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,840
anything you want to fatten it 
up before slaughter. 

564
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,480
That's very interesting, and I 
want to talk about eggs because 

565
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,360
you have written a lot about 
eggs. 

566
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,280
You have taught me a lot about 
eggs. 

567
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,080
Let's talk about eggs and the 
kind of eggs people should look 

568
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,800
for and why there's a 
difference. 

569
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,720
Well, there's a very big 
difference in I mean, we're one 

570
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,320
of the only countries probably 
in the world that uses has those

571
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,880
white bleached awful things, 
right? 

572
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,840
They're just disgusting. 
The reason why, you know, the 

573
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:35,440
reason why we have a bigger 
problem with, with bird flu and 

574
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,440
having to kill so many chickens 
is because of the way we raise 

575
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,520
chickens, stuffing them in a 
room. 

576
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,800
And on this table there'd 
probably be 100,000 chickens. 

577
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,320
Yeah, maybe, maybe 50,000. 
I don't know, but a lot like a 

578
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:51,480
lot more than there. 
Ought to be. 

579
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,400
I mean, if you see any of those 
videos, it's like a guaranteed 

580
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,840
way to become a vegetarian. 
Exactly. 

581
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880
But I think eggs. 
So an egg that has come from a 

582
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:07,080
hen like that has 16 times more 
inflammatory Omega sixes than 

583
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,240
Omega threes. 
An egg from a from a chicken 

584
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,760
from a hen that has gone out and
eaten earthworms, roamed around 

585
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,720
the yard, went back home to 
roost, like the whole thing. 

586
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,680
That egg is 1 to 1, which is the
way Mother Nature intended it. 

587
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,080
So inflammatory and 
anti-inflammatory, 1 to 1, not 

588
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,880
16 times more inflammatory than 
anti-inflammatory. 

589
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:35,280
So it really is important how 
our food it gets to our table, 

590
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,240
how it gets to our table, but 
also well, how the animals are 

591
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,120
treated in the before any of 
their product. 

592
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,400
Because whatever bad stuff the 
animals are doing gets into us. 

593
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,000
If we're eating it from hormones
in the, in the, in the milks to 

594
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,320
all sorts of antibiotics in the 
in the food supply because that 

595
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,320
because of the living 
conditions, they have to give 

596
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,520
them so many antibiotics and all
sorts of different things. 

597
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,240
So, So it's, yeah, as we've 
mentioned about our toxic food 

598
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,360
supply, that's part of the 
reason why I call it so toxic. 

599
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,480
It's not like they're out to 
poison us. 

600
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,920
It's just they are poisoning us 
slowly over time. 

601
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,520
You know, there's a reason why 
one in 38 children are now on 

602
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,680
the spectrum, 01 in 30. 
Eight that because you have 

603
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,800
written books about kids and 
nutrition. 

604
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,160
Yes, let's get into that. 
When I was in medical schools, 

605
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,200
like one in 10,000 kids, yeah, 
were on the spectrum. 

606
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,600
Then when I started writing 
about children 30 years ago is 

607
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,640
11 in like 1 in 100. 
Now it's one in 38. 

608
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,560
That's. 
Just I mean, I got goosebumps 

609
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,560
all. 
Over and that's just in a 

610
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,440
generation, that's in one 
generation went from one in 100 

611
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,640
to one in 38. 
Yes, we are. 

612
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,520
We know about it. 
We diagnose it more and maybe we

613
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,240
even push to diagnose it in 
schools so that schools can get 

614
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,880
extra money and all of that 
stuff and extra time and blah, 

615
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,840
blah, blah. 
So there is a little bit of 

616
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,800
that, but it can't go from one 
in 10,000. 

617
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,960
Yeah, that's a huge. 
To one in 38, that's, that's not

618
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,560
just, you know, the way we're 
looking at it, that's a big 

619
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,040
difference. 
Something is going on. 

620
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,120
What do you think that something
is right? 

621
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Those children are exposed to 
chemicals from the minute 

622
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,239
they're conceived. 
From the moment they're 

623
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,880
conceived. 
Yeah. 

624
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,159
What was it? 
I can't remember the exact 

625
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,159
statistics, so I'll give it 
roughly 2 generations ago, cord 

626
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:33,520
blood had no chemicals in it. 
This new generation and probably

627
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,840
the generation, I think it's the
generation before them, not Gen.

628
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,440
A. 
Not alpha but ZI guess average 

629
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,159
court number of chemicals in 
cord blood is over 600. 

630
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,920
Oh my gosh. 
Yes, so there's a lot of 

631
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,480
chemicals that we're 
inadvertently exposed to, like 

632
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,239
touching this table chemicals 
because it was cleaned. 

633
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,920
What it's cleaned with is a 
chemical, you know, so so I'm 

634
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,320
not saying we have to live our 
lives in a bubble because we 

635
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,800
can't. 
I just want people to be aware 

636
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,600
of it, right. 
Maybe not choose your your water

637
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,400
from a plastic bottle, right? 
You know, choose it in a glass 

638
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,080
bottle. 
Might be heavier to carry around

639
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,240
but it's certainly better for 
your health and it'll build your

640
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:22,560
bones strength. 
Find that exercise all over the 

641
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,000
place. 
Absolutely. 

642
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:31,200
Oh my gosh, you know when you 
when you hear about all the 

643
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:37,120
kids, you know, and the rise in 
attention deficit hyperactivity 

644
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,440
disorder, we've got the 
nutritional component. 

645
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:47,240
How much do you think is social 
impact on the kids with 

646
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,120
technology with the lack of 
running around these days or the

647
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,120
over scheduled schedules that so
many kids are under? 

648
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,400
It's all of it, right? 
Is it not all of it. 

649
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,680
I mean, I so again, we have a 
human body that's very 

650
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,800
resilient. 
We know that. 

651
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,120
We've talked about that before, 
but we're now putting these 

652
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,160
generations into a mix that has 
never occurred before in 

653
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,160
history. 
That over scheduled mix that 

654
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,920
that everybody knows what 
they're doing at every step of 

655
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,520
them at every moment in their 
lives because they want to 

656
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,080
remember when we were kids and 
we like wanted to find the 

657
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,240
coolest club or the coolest 
thing to go to. 

658
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,640
We wouldn't. 
We had to find it. 

659
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,880
And then we wouldn't tell people
because we didn't want them to 

660
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,120
find it. 
Exactly. 

661
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,240
They just go on Instagram and 
TikTok and just let's go to this

662
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:36,520
and let's go to that and let's 
do this. 

663
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,680
They do everything in mass, 
which is a different phenomenon 

664
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,040
for me. 
I'm not used to it at all. 

665
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
I like things being kept, you 
know, sort of a little more 

666
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,680
private, a little more private. 
A lot more private. 

667
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,560
But I I think they're under 
pressures we'll never understand

668
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,920
and they come from a not so 
healthy place. 

669
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Yeah. 
So you know neuro inflammation, 

670
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,360
right? 
And that's. 

671
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,600
You know, I wonder about their 
neuro inflammation just from the

672
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,960
stress of looking at themselves 
constantly in pictures. 

673
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,840
I mean, I, my, our kids will say
to us or particularly me, 

674
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,160
they'll say, mom, you know, how 
come you don't have any 

675
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,400
pictures? 
You know, from high school? 

676
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,640
I'm like, cuz Betty Reese didn't
bring her 110 Instamatic camera 

677
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,800
to that event. 
I mean, it cost a lot of money 

678
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,600
to, you know, buy the film that 
was your whole week of 

679
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,720
babysitting money cubes, yes. 
However, yes. 

680
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,480
They were so expensive. 
Yeah. 

681
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,280
And even when they became the 
one, the 35mm disposable, it was

682
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,800
still, it cost a lot of money to
get that film developed and you 

683
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,640
made sure you got the picture as
best as possible. 

684
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,880
And I'm sorry you still cut off 
everyone's head. 

685
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,080
Exactly. 
Exactly. 

686
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,600
You know, now kids are 
constantly looking at 

687
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,520
themselves. 
They're looking at every angle 

688
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,200
of their face. 
Ironically, Josh, who's the 

689
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,960
chief engineer here at Manhattan
Center, said to me today. 

690
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,720
The same thing my brother said 
to me yesterday, you know, Are 

691
00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:10,760
you, we never thought about 
whether you're we're filming on 

692
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,160
your preferred side or not. 
I'm like my preferred side. 

693
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,880
I mean, I take a lot of pictures
but I never really think about 

694
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,400
my preferred side. 
It's just, you know, the kids, 

695
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,320
do they, do they know what their
preferred side is? 

696
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,800
They know what the lighting 
they're supposed. 

697
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,520
To have is. 
Can you imagine the stress of 

698
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,840
that starting at a young age? 
I know when I see a 8 year old 

699
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:38,120
posing my heart breaks. 
I know, I know it's, it's, it's 

700
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,920
a real tragedy, but it's, it's 
unfortunate that, you know, 

701
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,400
they're living through that, but
maybe that's what they know. 

702
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,240
And, and, and it's going to be 
OK. 

703
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,400
That's the only thing I can 
think is that it'll be OK 

704
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,080
because they will learn how to 
move through this and navigate 

705
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,080
it, and they will. 
That's the one thing about 

706
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,880
humanity, you know? 
Moving forward, I mean, they 

707
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,200
blame us for a lot of problems 
and, and I get it, you know, I 

708
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,480
get it. 
We did just poison the world in 

709
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,880
a lot of different ways and put 
money ahead of everything. 

710
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,480
And we live in in that culture. 
And they're I think a lot of 

711
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,360
them are trying to fight against
that or or at least be more 

712
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,480
socially conscious about things 
and be more sustainable, 

713
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,200
etcetera, etcetera. 
You know, all the all the new 

714
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440
buzzwords about that. 
I think kids are really trying 

715
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:29,680
to correct some of the things 
our generation has done, but 

716
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,240
they will navigate it. 
And I think it's just our 

717
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:38,240
generation is still clinging to 
the power, the power of big 

718
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,280
pharma and the power of big food
and the power of big 

719
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,960
manufacturers. 
And, you know, until we figure 

720
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,320
out how to get their power away 
and not make it about them, but 

721
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,080
make it about humans, you know, 
we're not doomed. 

722
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,280
But it's a battle. 
Yeah, it's, it's interesting now

723
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,080
with the new administration and 
that the possibilities that we 

724
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,080
might see a shift. 
It's going to be interesting to 

725
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,800
watch, you know, how the new 
shifts might happen in the food 

726
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,440
supply in what you know gets 
approved with the FDA. 

727
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,760
Will things come to market 
faster? 

728
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,560
Should they come to market 
faster? 

729
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,560
Should people have access to 
clinical trials like we saw with

730
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,920
Duchesne's? 
You know, the boys that weren't 

731
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,920
allowed to get into that trial 
and weren't allowed to continue 

732
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,960
it because it hadn't been FDA 
approved. 

733
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,800
You know, that moral and ethical
aspects of, jeez, it was helping

734
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,840
those boys. 
Why the hell couldn't they have 

735
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:47,000
stayed on? 
It was experimental all the all 

736
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,520
along. 
But no, the trial had to come to

737
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,240
the end. 
It was. 

738
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,560
But but that's science. 
Yes, that is science and that 

739
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,280
has to occur. 
Agreed. 

740
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,360
That doesn't mean that doesn't 
mean, you know, the doctors like

741
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,400
myself have worked around that 
for a long my entire career I've

742
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,960
worked around the system. 
But you can't break the system 

743
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,120
because you won't get the real 
answer. 

744
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,120
I do agree, you know, and that's
to me, one of the most 

745
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,160
disturbing things we've seen. 
What has become science hasn't 

746
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,280
been debated the way we need it 
debated. 

747
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,200
Science needs, we have to debate
science. 

748
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:30,440
You know, we can't just take, 
you know, dogma and and you 

749
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,640
know, the science, the science 
to me has usually often been 

750
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,960
there. 
It's the other stuff like the 

751
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,680
myths that we talk about, right,
That, you know, this is good for

752
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,920
you and you know, Instagram says
this is good for you, then I'm 

753
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,720
going to be doing it all. 
You know, that's the stuff that 

754
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:48,760
we live our lives in. 
We don't really live our lives 

755
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,120
in the science. 
We live our lives in the 

756
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,480
pseudoscience. 
And and that's the part that 

757
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,440
worries me. 
You know, the, the other part 

758
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,000
that worries me is that there 
are so many billionaires running

759
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,120
the show right now. 
Where, how are they going to 

760
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:08,040
continue to make their billions 
without pharma and without food 

761
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,200
manufacturing, without this, 
without us being sick, without, 

762
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,320
you know, all of that. 
See, I don't know where any of 

763
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,080
this goes. 
It's a good question from here, 

764
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,240
it's a really good question. 
But you know, I like things are 

765
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:22,560
being questioned. 
It's just, I'm afraid they're 

766
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,720
just being what I'm personally 
is that they're being surfacely 

767
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,360
questioned and dismissed 
offhandedly. 

768
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
Like there are two long term 
trials being done right now at 

769
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,280
Columbia that are serious risk 
for being defunded at the 

770
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,000
moment. 
And they're ongoing trials that 

771
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,280
have been going on for seven 
years and their endpoint is 10 

772
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,320
years. 
And without these long term 

773
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,960
trials, we don't really know 
what really happens. 

774
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,240
Right, Right. 
You know, I mean, the, the, the 

775
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:53,360
nurses health study, which that 
has been going, that has taught 

776
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,480
us so much stuff. 
Yeah, what if that were just cut

777
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,600
off and stuff and the funding 
would just disappeared for all 

778
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,680
of that? 
We've learned so much from 

779
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,120
things like those 3040 year 
studies, the Framingham Heart 

780
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,840
Health Study, the Woman's Health
Initiative. 

781
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,720
There's another one that with 
physicians and nurses, you know,

782
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,080
so there's so many things that 
we've learned from long term 

783
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:16,040
trials and to lose funding for 
those is makes me a little 

784
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,880
nervous as a, as a scientist. 
I I would agree there. 

785
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,960
There's a lot, a lot of point 
there. 

786
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,200
And the other thing that I've 
observed over the years, though,

787
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,920
is when the study proves 
something out, how that evidence

788
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,640
can get squashed. 
Oh, without a doubt. 

789
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Which is, I mean, I have done 
crisis management, yes, I've 

790
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,200
done crisis management for a lot
of different companies when all 

791
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,480
of a sudden they proved 
something out and some other 

792
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,560
bigger player on the other side 
said, well, you know, that 

793
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,640
funding for that is ending now. 
And it's like, well, wait a 

794
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,480
second, we know what this just 
proved. 

795
00:43:55,720 --> 00:43:59,440
You know, this drug needs to be 
dosed differently for diabetics 

796
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,080
or women versus the men that 
were in the clinical trial that 

797
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,480
all weighed 220 lbs or more. 
You know, we're going to kill 

798
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,840
off these women on this heart 
medication, which I'm not going 

799
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,160
to go into because I really 
don't want to get bought into 

800
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,440
the lawsuit, but I was involved 
in it, you know, from the crisis

801
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,560
management perspective. 
So like the stuff that gets? 

802
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:24,960
Yeah, but that's that's America 
or I'm not sure that's going to 

803
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,240
ever change. 
I mean, that's that's, that's an

804
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,480
unfortunate part of things. 
But you know, it's like 

805
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,840
companies, I mean, you've worked
with companies your whole life 

806
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,000
as well. 
I mean, one company buys a 

807
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,960
smaller company that has 
something that might compete 

808
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,200
with them, so they buy it and 
then. 

809
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,400
Off the go. 
Away it goes. 

810
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,480
And you know, look, that's the 
way we work at this point in 

811
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,040
time. 
But, you know, from a health 

812
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,360
point of view, I would like to 
believe that what there's still 

813
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,120
some science that people can 
believe in and that we don't 

814
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,160
throw, throw the baby out with 
the bathwater. 

815
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:54,600
So that's how you say it. 
Yeah. 

816
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,960
Yeah. 
Because there are, there are 

817
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,440
some, there are some good 
vaccines, not 32 of them before 

818
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,160
the child's one month, one year 
old. 

819
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,200
Yeah. 
Maybe that's the problem? 

820
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,360
Yeah. 
Maybe not at each individual 

821
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:11,120
vaccine has to go, but maybe 
it's how we administer them, you

822
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,760
know, So just we should be 
critical thinkers and critical 

823
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:18,600
thinking has gone away, really 
has gone away. 

824
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,920
You know, I, I, I personally 
believe we really saw that 

825
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,760
during COVID. 
You know, I remember wanting to 

826
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:30,560
write in a blog when all of you 
know, when everyone was getting 

827
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,920
told we're getting locked down 
and this is going to happen and 

828
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,640
that's going to happen. 
And I remember I wrote a blog 

829
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,600
called The Emperor Has No 
Clothes. 

830
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,600
And my husband said to me, you 
realize you published that our 

831
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:45,600
lives are all going to change 
one way or another. 

832
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,680
And I did not publish it. 
And I admire the people who did 

833
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,600
speak up. 
And then I probably, you know, a

834
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,880
year and a half, 18 months 
later, I started to be more 

835
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,480
vocal because I thought there's 
so many things happening right 

836
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,080
now that if during my 27 years 
of reviewing clinical trials, if

837
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,080
I did any of this crap, I'd be 
in jail. 

838
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,320
So it's like so many things 
flipped in the other direction. 

839
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
And I'm, you know, of what could
be discussed or what couldn't be

840
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,000
discussed. 
I mean, you can take something 

841
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,720
like ivermectin, which one day I
have no idea if it's in or if 

842
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:22,960
it's out or if it's like if it's
just for animals or if it's not 

843
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,080
for animals. 
But why can't we all read it? 

844
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Why can't we all read it and 
make a decision for ourselves? 

845
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,000
It's the suppression that drives
me freaking crazy. 

846
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,520
Yeah, yeah. 
No, information should not be 

847
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,560
suppressed. 
Yeah, I mean, you have, I'm a 

848
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,960
big believer and I always, I do 
this with patients all day long 

849
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,520
as I'll give them the 
information. 

850
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,680
You make whatever decision you 
want. 

851
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,360
But here's the information and 
you make your own decision. 

852
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,920
I mean, you want my advice, I'll
tell you my advice is, but 

853
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,480
here's the information. 
At the end of the day, it's your

854
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,880
life and you have to make that 
decision. 

855
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,560
So I think, I think the same 
holds true for so many different

856
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
things. 
You know, during COVID, one can 

857
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,040
argue that it was a worldwide 
health crisis and none of us 

858
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,200
knew what we were doing. 
The science was brand new. 

859
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,480
You know, you, you make mistakes
along the way in, in situations 

860
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:12,600
like that. 
And it's only when you could 

861
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,840
look back and say, oh, yeah, 
that was wrong, that was wrong, 

862
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,240
that was wrong, Maybe that was 
right. 

863
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:19,840
You know, it's it's, it's a 
funny. 

864
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:24,040
It's more the comical nature of 
things like, OK, so you can walk

865
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,360
into a restaurant and at six 
feet you have to wear a mask, 

866
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,600
but the minute you go to the 
three foot level you can take 

867
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,880
the mask off. 
I'm like, you're kidding me. 

868
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,680
I mean, I know a principal of a 
school who had to have 

869
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,800
kindergarteners, you know, stay.
First it was 6 feet away from 

870
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,560
each other, Then it was 3 feet. 
Like, it's an impracticality. 

871
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,120
You can't keep kindergarteners 
from not climbing on top of each

872
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,480
other. 
Nut but you know, sometimes you 

873
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,120
know the way I look at it, 
especially with the restaurant 

874
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,280
thing. 
Do you think some of these rules

875
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,840
were made so that businesses 
could stay in business, right, 

876
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Yes. 
So it wasn't necessarily. 

877
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,720
Even though it was crushing them
financially, I mean. 

878
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,960
If you think about it, if a 
virus is floating around in the 

879
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,640
air, whether you're here or here
doesn't really matter where that

880
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,840
because you can either breathe 
in it or not, right? 

881
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,200
One way or another, you're 
either going to breathe it in 

882
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,000
and your body will fight it off 
or you're not going to breathe 

883
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,000
it in because it somehow flew 
over your head or whatever. 

884
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,400
But I think a lot of times we 
had to make adjustments. 

885
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,800
And again, it's the adjustments 
that we had to make throughout 

886
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,640
this that crazy five years just 
to satisfy so many different 

887
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,800
special interests, right? 
You know, and, and to keep 

888
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,840
people working and to keep 
people floating and to keep 

889
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,880
people alive. 
And it's a messy time. 

890
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,240
And I hope I never lived through
another one like that again. 

891
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,120
I refuse for sure. 
I refuse. 

892
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,760
I'm not going through it again. 
I don't know what I'll do, but 

893
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,720
it's an official statement right
now. 

894
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,480
My life will not change like 
that for five years again. 

895
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,560
Nope. 
You know, just when you try to 

896
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:00,000
keep track of things that happen
in your life and you see someone

897
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,760
like, you know, and it's like, 
Gee, when was the last time I 

898
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,720
saw you? 
It's, you know, about a year 

899
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,040
ago. 
And then it's like, no, no. 

900
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,800
It's that blur. 
It's that five year blur. 

901
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,640
Yeah, like when the your 
producer asked me when I was in 

902
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,080
this building last. 
Like I I always forget about 

903
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,240
those COVID years because I try 
to ignore them. 

904
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,000
I want those years back. 
But anyway, yeah, it is what it 

905
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:26,200
is. 
It happened and it's over. 

906
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,720
Thank gosh. 
And let's move on from. 

907
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:36,720
What is something that you think
if if I'm watching this episode 

908
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,920
and I want to start to step my 
life into the most healthy 

909
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,520
direction I possibly can? 
We talked about exercise. 

910
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
We talked about some of the 
things we can eat. 

911
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,360
Are we eating more vegetables, 
more protein? 

912
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,920
Is there a balance you think 
people should aim for or is it 

913
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,400
again very personalized in some?
I think it's very personalized 

914
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,600
because you have to, as we 
talked, as we started the 

915
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,000
conversation, you've got it. 
Any diet you choose, as long as 

916
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,080
you stick to it is going to be a
good one, right? 

917
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,840
You're going to be healthy, 
you're going to live longer, 

918
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,560
have less strokes, all of it 
proven scientifically. 

919
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:22,080
So what I would say to that is, 
is, is really be honest with 

920
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,040
yourself. 
Just be honest with yourself. 

921
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,280
Ask yourself hard questions and 
be honest with yourself. 

922
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:33,400
Can I give up X? 
Can I add Y and can I do it 

923
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,000
because, you know, those New 
Year's, New Year's resolutions, 

924
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,840
right? 
I'm going to stop smoking. 

925
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,600
I'm going to stop drinking. 
I'm going to stop eating. 

926
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,000
Well, yeah, that'll last for 
about a day, right? 

927
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,040
You can't put too much burden on
yourself. 

928
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,440
You know, people have to be kind
to themselves. 

929
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:49,800
And, and I think a lot of us 
forget to do that is that we 

930
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,880
have to give each other grace 
and we have to give ourselves 

931
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:56,240
grace and, and being healthy as 
part of giving yourself grace. 

932
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:00,240
And, and no matter when you 
start on, on, on this health 

933
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:04,800
journey, whatever it may be, 
you're going to slip, you're 

934
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,360
going to fall. 
Just know, as long as those 

935
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,360
slips and falls get further and 
further apart, you're on the 

936
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,480
right path. 
That is great advice. 

937
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,080
I want to ask you a personal 
question. 

938
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,680
Sure, you've written a lot of 
books. 

939
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,600
I have. 
If if we were going to tell the 

940
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,280
audience which one they should 
start with, which would be the 

941
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,320
book you would recommend for 
people to start reading, to 

942
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,520
start to grasp your breath of 
knowledge? 

943
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,320
I think I would recommend the 
Hamptons diet. 

944
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,160
Oh, that's a good. 
One, because it talks all about 

945
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,160
oils and fat, you know, it talks
really about the food supply, 

946
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,120
about oils and it was my best 
selling book. 

947
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,320
So it's written very easy for 
everyone to understand. 

948
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,800
It's got great recipes in it, 
you know, so it really. 

949
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,120
And you had the subsequent 
recipe book as well. 

950
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,480
I've got them both in my 
kitchen. 

951
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,080
So, yeah, so it goes, I think, 
you know, I think that would be 

952
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,200
the place to start. 
I mean, I have a lot of other 

953
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,280
books that are just about, oh, 
if you have this and what 

954
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,480
supplement do you want to take? 
I mean, there's those types of 

955
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,720
books too. 
But again, I like that to be 

956
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:08,640
more individualized. 
So those are sort of, I don't 

957
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,560
know, those are good books, but 
they're not. 

958
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,040
I would start with something 
that gives you a little bit more

959
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,560
understanding and comprehension 
of the whole. 

960
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,360
And you have a newsletter, too. 
I do right? 

961
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,080
Can anyone sign up for? 
That newsletter? 

962
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,200
It's free. 
Okay, because I'm going to make 

963
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:25,240
sure the links to that 
newsletter are below. 

964
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:26,960
Great podcast. 
Yeah, it's free. 

965
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:27,880
Yeah. 
Sign up. 

966
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,160
You'll get a newsletter four 
days a week that I write. 

967
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,040
Yes, yes, it's a lot, but I do 
it. 

968
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,600
Now, and your office is still 
here in New York City, so people

969
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,120
can book time with you. 
Yeah, but still here in the 

970
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,800
some. 
Really good wake up call, 

971
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,520
personal information and. 
And it's not just about diet. 

972
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,680
Like we could have literally 
talked about any topic. 

973
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:49,880
Yeah. 
Oh wow. 

974
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,440
And we have talked about so many
topics over the years. 

975
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,240
Yeah, we have, you know, so I 
don't. 

976
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,440
But but I think what people 
don't, I hope people are 

977
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,840
beginning to understand, is, you
know, what your grandmother told

978
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,640
you was right, You are what you 
eat. 

979
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,480
So, you know, that is the 
cornerstone. 

980
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,760
That is my bedrock of of health.
You are what you eat and then 

981
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,640
everything else gets built on 
top of that. 

982
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:18,080
So yeah. 
Oh, this time went too fast, but

983
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:21,720
what a closing statement. 
You are what you eat. 

984
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,440
Thank you Doctor Fred Pescatore 
for a great, great conversation.

985
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,560
Thank you Diane for having me. 
It's been great fun. 

986
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,040
Everybody, there is going to be 
lots of good information that 

987
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,560
you can find below this podcast.
So you can follow Doctor Fred 

988
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:40,520
Pescatore. 
You can get in touch with them. 

989
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,800
You can grab his books. 
All the links will be below. 

990
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,000
I highly recommend you share 
this podcast and subscribe to 

991
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,920
watch future ones. 
And this is one. 

992
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,280
There was so much information. 
I'd probably watch it two or 

993
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,960
three times if I was you. 
I'm probably going to because I 

994
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,600
really enjoyed everything you 
had to say and I like to have it

995
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,880
sink in. 
So thank you everyone. 

996
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,320
Thank you, Doctor Pescatore. 
What a pleasure. 

997
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:05,400
My pleasure. 
Thank you. 

998
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:07,440
Thanks. 
Hit subscribe and share this 

999
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,600
episode with your friends and 
even better, play it while 

1000
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,480
you're at the gym working out. 
Exercise that was stuck with 

1001
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:18,920
Doctor Fred recommended on top 
of being good at choosing what 

1002
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,280
you eat.