1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,240 Hello everyone, I'm Diane Griselle. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:05,800 I'm also known as Silver Disobedience, and this is the 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,400 Silver Disobedience Perception Dynamics podcast. 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,760 And we're sitting in iconic Manhattan center. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:19,400 So great mojo here, super Juju, and I'm excited to have a very 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:23,800 interesting episode with you. What we're going to be talking 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,600 about is this, and I'm going to look at some notes because I 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,640 want to make sure I get all these statistics correct because 9 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,680 they're very fascinating to me. Did you know annually in the 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:39,360 United States alone, the fashion and beauty industries combined 11 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:49,080 are valued at a whopping $475 billion, 55,000,000 US 12 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,560 millennial women. We're going to take the group 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:57,960 of, let's say age 27 to 42 are each spending on average $6000 14 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,760 each, or about 260 billion annually. 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,160 Those are big numbers. Jump to my age group. 16 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:13,240 We'll say the women aged 57 and up and you add another 155 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,760 billion into the annual spend on fashion and beauty items. 18 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:22,800 So that's about $3700 per woman aged 57 plus. 19 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,920 Yet here's where this topic gets interesting and what we're going 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:32,640 to start to look at today. Most advertising caters to, or 21 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:38,880 shall I say features the 18 to 28 year old female demographic. 22 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:45,760 Now that demographic spends 68 mil, excuse me, 68 billion, or 23 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,960 about 4000 annually. So that's a big drop compared to 24 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,680 either of the other two. So I'm going to be talking today 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,000 with Charlotte Reardon. She's a Wilhelmina model and she 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,840 is bringing an entirely new look to the runway and has been an 27 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,960 advocate for really showing all kinds of women, all kinds of 28 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:11,039 shapes, athletic, tattooed, different. 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,000 And it's working. It's getting the attention of 30 00:02:15,640 --> 00:02:20,400 advertisers, companies worldwide, and certainly a lot 31 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,240 of magazines. She's graced the pages of many 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,360 of the glamour magazines that you might imagine, and we're 33 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,120 going to be talking about modeling the industry, the money 34 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:35,880 and other ventures. Welcome, Charlotte. 35 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,680 Hi. Diane, thank you so much for 36 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,320 having me. I'm so glad to be here. 37 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:42,280 It is so much fun to have you here. 38 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,240 You have had a really interesting background. 39 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,680 You didn't start as a model. I didn't know Diane. 40 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Well, you know how I started. Well, let's talk about that. 41 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,520 How did you start? Yeah, so I came to America as a 42 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:04,160 dancer, as a struggling dancer, almost 17 years ago to the day, 43 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,640 quite literally. Yeah. 44 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:08,200 My, I think my anniversary is coming up like this week. 45 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,120 And I started out auditioning nothing, you know, yadda, yadda, 46 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,600 yadda. Like everyone else that comes to 47 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,040 New York is like, I'm going to make it in New York. 48 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,720 And I eventually became, among other things, a Rockette. 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,720 And that was kind of what I guess catapulted my career and 50 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,200 from dancing. Wait a second. 51 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,800 We can't just go. I became a Rockette because I 52 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:37,080 have to pause a second there because seriously, I've seen the 53 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Christmas show and a few other Rockette shows at different 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,440 times of the year and and the symmetry, the I can't imagine 55 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,200 the stress of being a Rockette. Yeah, that's why I was it for 56 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,840 one season only. It only happened for a short 57 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,120 time. And you know what's so 58 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,440 interesting? Diane is obviously I'm British, 59 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,280 so coming from England, I go home and I'm like, hey guys, I'm 60 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,760 a Rockette. Nobody knows what that is. 61 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,400 So it's like it's a big deal over here, but you go back to 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,360 England, they're like, OK. And yeah, so it it's definitely 63 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,600 hard work. I think I got very lucky because 64 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,520 I didn't do the lining up, the audition process, the yadda, 65 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,760 yadda, yadda. It was me finding one way in, 66 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:20,399 which was literally a flash mob at Christmas in August, and 67 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,080 finding, you know, whoever was in charge there and, you know, 68 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,160 just working your way up. But yes, definitely the 69 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,400 rehearsal process is, for want of a better word, sorry, a 70 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,400 nightmare because everything has to be completely perfect, 71 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:39,160 literally by the inch or less. And yeah, from there, moving on. 72 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,840 I think my dancing career got cut shorter than anybody. 73 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,040 Well, everybody always wants it to last forever, right? 74 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,000 But let's be honest. And my father would always say, 75 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,880 what are you going to do when you can't dance anymore? 76 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:54,000 And I say, yeah, but Dad, I'm going to dance forever. 77 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,320 I'm going to dance forever. And about you? 78 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,680 Still have some pretty good moves. 79 00:04:57,800 --> 00:04:59,840 Well, they just might not be on the stage. 80 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,360 Yeah, it's not exactly the same, but at about. 81 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,400 You do a mean Macarena. Thank you, I agree. 82 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 I highly encourage you all to follow Charlotte. 83 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,760 We're going to have links for her, but you've got to go back a 84 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,800 year or two and find her doing the Macarena. 85 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,640 I promise it's priceless. I can. 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,880 I'll redo it for you. It'll be better this time. 87 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,400 So, yeah. And then moving on from there, 88 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,720 you know, at about 24 or 25, I was kind of lost for what to do, 89 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,200 really lost. And you know, although I have a 90 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,880 great upbringing, great school, I didn't really have any 91 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,400 direction because I was so obsessed with being a dancer. 92 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,840 So once that stopped, I felt like I'd kind of lost my 93 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:44,320 identity, you know, Because when you do something so much at a 94 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,120 young age, you kind of become it fully. 95 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:48,520 I don't know if that makes sense. 96 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,760 Yes, it does. You really? 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,160 So engrossed, Like all my friends for dancers, my 98 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,520 boyfriends for dancers, my roommates for dancers. 99 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,320 Everything was so dance, dance, dance oriented, like all the 100 00:05:58,320 --> 00:05:59,800 videos I watched, yada yada, yada. 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,200 So for me, from there, I was very lucky again, but I pursued 102 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,200 a lead from a family friend in London for a modelling agency. 103 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,560 So I was like, well, I guess I could be on a talent agency. 104 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,080 Like, that's the same as dancing, right? 105 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,720 Turns out you and I both know how different modelling is to 106 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,520 anything else on the planet and different to what anyone else 107 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,840 thinks modelling is that isn't in the industry. 108 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,200 So that's a conversation for another day, maybe because it's 109 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:33,920 a long a long one, but yeah. So getting signed with MSA in 110 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:40,640 2010, I think it was, yeah, 2010, which are now state 111 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,400 management. So they changed hands probably 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,400 like 8 or 9 years ago. But in 2010, it was MSA and it 113 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,280 was the biggest fit modeling agency, and I didn't even know 114 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,520 what a fit model was. Yes, I think that would be a 115 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,160 good one to explain to everyone what is a fit model, because 116 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,000 it's a very unique specialty in the world of modeling. 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,280 It really is. And it's, in my opinion, I call 118 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,760 it the James Bond of jobs in the modelling industry because it's 119 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,400 the one that is so fundamental to fashion, in my opinion. 120 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,000 I mean, literally without fit models, you do not have 121 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,920 garments. Whether it's AI generated, 122 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,080 whether it's done on a mannequin, whether it's done on 123 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,080 a human, it's still a fit model. And I also believe that it's 124 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,080 like the superpower that's been holding it together and the one 125 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,400 that nobody knows about, Diane. Exactly. 126 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,320 Nobody knows. They say, Oh yeah, you're a fit, 127 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,840 you're a fitness model, you're a fitness model. 128 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,840 That's exactly it. Absolutely. 129 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,920 Except those opposite a fitness model because if I was fitness 130 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,040 and old muscles galore I would never get hired because the 131 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,680 majority woman isn't doesn't look like an action man so. 132 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,760 Although you are incredibly fit, so we're going to talk about 133 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,640 that too in a minute, but. First thing that, but let's 134 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,320 elaborate so. What is a fit model? 135 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,080 What does a fit model do? Yeah, I think it doesn't. 136 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,040 A fit model is many, many things. 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,200 But what I will try and say in a sentence or two is you're 138 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,040 essentially a human mannequin and you work at the back end of 139 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,000 a fashion house with a production assistant or a 140 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,240 production designer and you are helping construct the garments. 141 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,200 So every, every item of clothing that you're wearing that anyone 142 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,080 on the planet is wearing has been approved by a fit model. 143 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,360 So you help with the measurements, you help how this 144 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,120 is lifting, you help how long the sleeve is going to be. 145 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,680 You essentially are a certain size. 146 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,200 And I was a certain I was between A4, a six and at one 147 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,120 point even made it to an 8 depending on the brand. 148 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,880 And you fit an exact set of measurements. 149 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,320 So most of the time it was a straight size 6, which is like a 150 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:52,160 waist 2728 and it's essentially the mid size of the brand that 151 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,200 sells. Now, is that size 6 when you say 152 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,160 you fit a size 6, is that a size 6 for Calvin Klein? 153 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,280 The same as? OK, so let's talk about that. 154 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,840 So each brand, which is what you notice in stores, each brand has 155 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,440 their own sizing. And something I will say to try 156 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,080 and solidify what a real fit model means, because it it is 157 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,640 kind of open, it's kind of a creative as well at times 158 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:23,480 because sometimes fit models just test fabrics and sometimes 159 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,760 fit models just do something called a fit test, which means 160 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,040 you're trying on a final sample size. 161 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:33,160 But for me, I usually worked with most of the brands that I 162 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,320 had, and I mean, you name it, I've worked with them. 163 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,760 Fit modeling. I mean, you could name every 164 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,960 brand under the sun and I could tell you I've either been to a 165 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,960 casting or work with them in some capacity. 166 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,240 But what you're doing is you're starting like, let's say you 167 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,600 want a T-shirt, Diane, and you have your production assistant, 168 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:51,920 you have your design team, you have the fabrics, you have 169 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,400 everything. And then you have the fit model 170 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:56,160 because that's the person that you make the clothes on. 171 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,640 So it's the beginning to end process essentially as a fit 172 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,760 model. So there's no photo shoots, 173 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,000 there's no hair and makeup, there's no runway shows. 174 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,280 You're in a fit test, you're in a room, you're doing a corporate 175 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,280 job. It's a nine to five or whatever 176 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,760 it is. So that hopefully I've made that 177 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,440 clear enough for your listeners to understand what that is. 178 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,120 You can Google it and they'll give you a few other answers, 179 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,120 but essentially you're a human mannequin. 180 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:23,840 And for me, what I was, for example, I guessed jeans, I was 181 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,760 a size 6, I would say straight apple bottom. 182 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,280 Jeans, I was a four back in the day, you know, because it's 183 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,680 slightly curvier. Calvin Klein. 184 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:38,440 I was always a 6G3, which is kind of the umbrella that has 185 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,480 Calvin Klein, Karl Lagerfeld, CK Performance, the Gap, a bunch of 186 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,320 other brands. I was between a four and a six. 187 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,800 So I would shuffle my way through the floors. 188 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,800 It's on 5th Ave. and being different sizes because 189 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,480 depending, it's really all on sales, isn't it? 190 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,840 So depending on what sells the most is what size I would fit 191 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,920 for. So like, let's say, for example, 192 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,000 years ago, I used to fit for White House Black Market, which 193 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,840 is slightly bigger sizing in terms of like it was what you 194 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:18,440 call Missy or contemporary. And Missy is a term for somebody 195 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,560 that has had children or is older than 29, let's say. 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:24,960 So your body changes after children. 197 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,240 I believe it does. But I would still fit that Missy 198 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:32,600 and contemporary is more like imagine a Forever 21 or a 199 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:37,280 slightly younger brand, which is for 20s or younger. 200 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,960 So those were the difference in White House Black market was 201 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:47,440 more Missy and for me I would be a very small size in White House 202 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:52,520 black market because of the way in which they graded the sizes. 203 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,720 But I would still fit for them because size fours and sixs were 204 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:01,360 the most that sold and that is how a fit model usually is 205 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,840 determined. So I hope. 206 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,240 Fascinating. That was a good education. 207 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,440 So when you're working as a fit model, I guess every measurement 208 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,480 becomes crucial and you really have to stay very static on the 209 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,640 line, not flexing above it or below it. 210 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,440 That's a challenge, yeah. Definitely a challenge, but I 211 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,880 also feel like when I first started, I was so regimented and 212 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,040 I had, you know, little to no clients. 213 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,160 I went through an array of agencies and at first was like, 214 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,880 oh God, I had one or two clients, right? 215 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,040 But I was so regimented on trying to make sure that I was 216 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,640 exactly 27. And if I'd gone, my waist had 217 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,360 gone lower than 27, I was like, Oh no, have a giant coffee. 218 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,920 Or, you know, I would. Really do have a giant coffee to 219 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,000 go up. To try and, you know, to just to 220 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,240 do anything I could. Spoken like a true model. 221 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,960 Well I think I'll have a coffee to add. 222 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Add an inch to my waist. With a lot of cream. 223 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,880 How about that? I don't know, but yeah. 224 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,920 So for me, I don't. Or a pastry maybe as well. 225 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,880 But for me now, I think it was more about I, for me, it's about 226 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,840 forgiving myself through my body changes. 227 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:12,280 And like a couple of years ago, I was probably more of a 2 and 228 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,920 now I'm headed more into a six. And that's OK. 229 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,960 It's very hard, obviously, when you're working for a brand 230 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,720 because it's not personal, Diane. 231 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,000 It's like if you're an electrician and you can't make 232 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,040 the lights work, they're not going to hire you, right? 233 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,360 If you need to be a size 4 and you're suddenly a size 6, it's 234 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,120 not, you know, a lot of people get, I think get it misconstrued 235 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,920 and it's really not that. It's not, Oh my God, how dare 236 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,640 you be in fashion. You're the wrong size. 237 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,360 It's like I was once fitting for a massive brand that used to 238 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,840 sell to QVC. I mean, Humongous brand that I 239 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:46,080 won't obviously name here and I had a full time job with them 240 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 and I got dropped because I lost 2 inches on my waist by no fault 241 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,480 of my own. I just thought I'm going to have 242 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,320 green juices instead of whatever it was. 243 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,360 I used to have to like drink mochas in the morning or 244 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,280 something. Instead of having a hot 245 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:58,760 chocolate, I'm going to have a green juice because it's good 246 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:00,080 for me. And I suddenly dropped two 247 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,280 inches on my waist and they noticed that the sales were 248 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:06,360 going off skew with and that's my fault. 249 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:08,320 That's my responsibility. So of course I'm going to get 250 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,440 fired. But you know, at the time, bit 251 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,120 younger, 10 years ago, I'd be like, oh, no, you know. 252 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,320 But now it's more like, hey, I'm just going to accept who I am, 253 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,560 where I am, and whatever client I go with, it's going to be 254 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,640 fine, you know? At some point, in addition to 255 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,320 fit modelling, which you did very successfully and you still 256 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,800 do, you started to go on to runways. 257 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:38,840 Yeah, Yes, I did, Diane. And actually thanks to you for 258 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,840 because we've known each other quite a long time now. 259 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,040 When you and I first came connected, I just done my first 260 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,600 few runway shows and it was my story kind of how we met each 261 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,640 other, our intro to becoming connected. 262 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:59,080 But yeah, I am not, I can't recall exactly where it came 263 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,040 from, but I do remember one exact client I was working with 264 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,160 and they were like, hey, you know, you're not bad looking. 265 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,720 And because fit models also are notorious for kind of having 266 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:12,840 great bodies and like doing good things but not being the most 267 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,640 attractive model on the planet, you know, not the Victoria's 268 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Secret style. It was more, you know, 269 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,800 lifestyle, right. But hold on a minute. 270 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,080 Isn't that everyone in America or in the world? 271 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:29,160 Not everyone one is that top .1% of massive attraction and 272 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,520 everyone is attractive in their own special way. 273 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,640 And I had a really cool brand. If I may be so judgmental and 274 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,600 say pull me aside and we're like, hey, Charlotte, you know, 275 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 you might be 5, seven and a half. 276 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,800 I say I'm 5/8. You know, you might be a size 6 277 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:50,480 with bruises all over your legs, the thighs not the size that you 278 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,560 would usually see on the runway and two arms full of tattoos. 279 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,640 But you fit our brand really well. 280 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:57,400 And we really like the way you look in the clothes. 281 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,720 So would you do a runway show? And it was literally a 282 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,920 presentation. And I thought nothing of it. 283 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,360 I was obviously terrified and incredibly nervous and, you 284 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,280 know, just like, oh, my God. But it was great because of my 285 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,040 background in dance. Yes. 286 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,280 You know, so you go in, you have a rehearsal, you go into hair 287 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:13,360 and makeup, you do all these things. 288 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,320 And I realized, Diane, I love it. 289 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,160 It was, it was so fun to me and it really scratched that itch 290 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,440 that I think you can't quite get anywhere else when you're when 291 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,440 you stopped dancing and being on stage. 292 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:34,320 So for me, I did my first runway show in 2021, I believe, gosh, 293 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,880 February 2021, I think, or was it 22? 294 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,920 I think it was 21. And that was the catapult of 295 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,800 kind of now what I've been doing each Fashion Week and every 296 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,240 Fashion Week, it's always funny because you and I text, you're 297 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:50,520 like, what are you doing this Fashion Week? 298 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,040 I'm like, I haven't booked anything. 299 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,120 This is my last Fashion Week. And then I always get something 300 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,560 somehow. And you're always like, don't 301 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,800 worry, I think you're going to get it. 302 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,240 You know, it's always this like last minute thing. 303 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,600 But that's the world of. It's really fashion. 304 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,800 Modeling, so much of it is, you know, what are you doing 305 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:09,720 tomorrow or you know, we just sent you a call sheet, make sure 306 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,760 you look at it. You're on set tomorrow at six 307 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,280 AMI. Mean, you know it so well, you 308 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,440 know it so well. So exactly that. 309 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,400 Or hey, you know, we're in hair and makeup already. 310 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:20,960 How far are you from? Yeah. 311 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,079 This event space, can you get can you get here in an hour? 312 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,119 If you remember a couple of years ago, I had I need 313 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,920 Charlotte Reardon model in a text message sent to me and I 314 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,480 was like, OK, Diane, I think we're getting in a cab. 315 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,360 Do you want to come or? Yeah, we went from the, I think 316 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,760 it was a nulcha show in Mercedes, in the Mercedes 317 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,160 building down to Soho for a. Yeah, it was ideal glass. 318 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Yeah, Oh, ideal Glass, yes. For a last minute runway show 319 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,360 yeah, So that's how it goes. But yeah, so that was what 320 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,480 started and what also piqued my interest because although it's 321 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,400 all fun and games, doing a runway show, I felt like I had 322 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,840 so much to stand for. And I felt like I also had a 323 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,480 responsibility to my age demographic getting up there. 324 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:10,680 And I still feel like that now. I'm still most of the time, 325 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,440 believe it or not, the oldest person in the room. 326 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,320 Unless I'm there. Unless you're there. 327 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,800 Yeah, Unless you're there. Which I'm. 328 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,760 Usually the oldest person in the room. 329 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:21,880 It's really funny. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 330 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,840 And it's so funny for you and I because we we always have this 331 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,920 discussion off camera, obviously, but me being in my 332 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,400 mid almost to late 30s now and you obviously being in your 60s, 333 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,200 we're almost 30 years apart. Yeah, or a little bit. 334 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,960 Of solid a solid at least. A good yeah there you go see so 335 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,120 and how we still have great connections. 336 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,080 But for you for your demographic, you're usually 337 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,840 older and me I'm older and runway is so young. 338 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,080 It really is so young and I definitely feel I feel like I 339 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,400 have a lot of work to do obviously here. 340 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,040 But it has been really fulfilling and really special to 341 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,800 sit in the makeup chair next to a 19 year old girl that you 342 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,280 know, is got flown over from Paris to do this show and what 343 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,320 have you and me being like, hey, you know, sometimes it does feel 344 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,640 like a lot because I'm walking in a next to nothing bikini at 345 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,600 Miami Swim week and I can. And I will say you looked good 346 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,960 in that bikini. Thank you. 347 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,320 But it, you know, I do still feel a certain level of self 348 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,400 consciousness and I think everybody does. 349 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,480 But yeah, it's been really fabulous. 350 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,320 So I'm really grateful to vouch for those mid 30s women, the 351 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,600 millennials with those bigger thighs, with those cyclist 352 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:35,920 thighs and those boxing arms and tattoos and whatever else 353 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:39,200 stretch Marks and yeah, yeah. Well, you're such a good 354 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,040 spokesperson and you're certainly a good visual look for 355 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,520 it. I mean, when you see pictures of 356 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,120 you, you move so fluidly. You do, you do. 357 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,360 We can't see really any tattoos now, but you do have tattoos up 358 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:56,960 your all over and it's it's a different look on the runway and 359 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,240 it's a different look when you see it in a fashion magazine. 360 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,720 Yeah, I, I do, I, I agree. I mean, obviously I agree, yeah. 361 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,840 But I, I do think it is a missing demographic. 362 00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:11,880 I, I do believe that deeply. And I also think that's why it's 363 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,400 been such a struggle for me to break into high fashion and do 364 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,440 runway because it's just everyone like kind of does this 365 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,520 like autocorrect, like, no, no, you don't know, like a runway 366 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:23,680 model. I don't know if this is good. 367 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,560 And then suddenly when you get through that like error error. 368 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,280 That most casting directors tend to have around runway shows. 369 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:31,680 They're like, oh, wait, hold on a minute. 370 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,520 This is going to boost our sales. 371 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,400 Oh, wait, hold on a minute. Yeah. 372 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:39,120 Yeah, that's exactly it. It's when he that's why I wanted 373 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:40,640 to start off the show with the numbers. 374 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,880 When you look at those numbers and you see who's really buying 375 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:49,400 things, I mean, when I see a 24 year old telling me that this 376 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,000 particular cosmetic is going to help my wrinkles, I'm like, 377 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920 honey, who? Who cares? 378 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,720 This person, no offense, I mean, she's gorgeous and she looks 379 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,360 great and she caught my attention, but she doesn't know 380 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,800 a thing about wrinkles. Well, exactly. 381 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,960 True and and there are statistics that I don't know 382 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:14,360 exactly off the top of my head, but most 19 to 25 year old women 383 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,440 girls are getting cast for mid 30s. 384 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,120 Yes, advertising all. Right, I always joke. 385 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:25,960 My first my first big campaign, I was the chic 70 year old and I 386 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,720 was 56. See, there you go. 387 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,760 And I think it's also not good because it puts an. 388 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,600 I mean, this is a big topic as well. 389 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:40,400 It does. It's a false sense of reality to 390 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,800 everyone, not just women, not just whatever to literally 391 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:45,640 anyone. It's a lot of pressure it it 392 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,440 really is. And it's also not real. 393 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,320 And I think that that's something that's very important 394 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,280 to address. And me, I don't have children 395 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,200 yet. Every single one of my 396 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,120 girlfriends and I could name you 10 off the top of my head, all 397 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:02,640 have children or are in the process of having a child. 398 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,880 Your body is changing in your mid 30s, whether you like it or 399 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,760 not, frankly. And and onwards. 400 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,240 It's constantly changing and it doesn't mean it's getting bigger 401 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,320 or smaller, I just mean it's. Just changing. 402 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,920 Yeah, and after you have a child, you know. 403 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,440 Even more, and no matter what you do, I mean it's changed. 404 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,400 Yes. And for me, I really, I mean, I 405 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,600 have a girlfriend that called me up last night who he's English, 406 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,040 but she lives in San Diego and she's like Charlotte, I'm 407 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,640 nursing. I have to go on holiday. 408 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,120 She's just had her third baby in four years. 409 00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:39,040 Can I just add and she's like, I'm nursing, I have to go on 410 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,680 holiday. Can you please give me a swim 411 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,200 brand that will cover my half belly because you know, she's 412 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,800 still getting rid of her pregnant belly and that I can 413 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,040 nurse very quickly. And I was like, yes, I know this 414 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,520 one brand. It's great, but it costs a lot 415 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,560 more money. But she doesn't mind spending 416 00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:02,200 more money for easy access for for modesty pads, for a fit that 417 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,200 actually suits her body type, for if her child is sorry 418 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,160 vomiting all over her, she can throw it in the wash and it 419 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,720 won't get ruined like if you buy a fast fashion brand. 420 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,480 So something I notice and I know that we all know is when you 421 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,560 reach a certain age, you're willing to spend a bit more 422 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,160 money. Oh, you're willing to invest in 423 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,880 something that has quality, that has good fabrics, that has a 424 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,440 good fit, that has taken more time to cultivate a product that 425 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,360 is going to deliver those things rather than quickly buying four 426 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:39,080 different swimsuits at the quickest dollar store you can 427 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,320 find. And I, I believe that, well, 428 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,760 it's shows in the stats. I mean, they, they speak for 429 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,160 themselves and how much money women my age spend on fashion. 430 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,000 So why are big brands still casting for want of a better 431 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,480 world, You know, 20 year old college students for when women 432 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,960 my age are calling me, they, they want to know from women 433 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,000 like me what I want. And it's the same with 434 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,920 everything. It's even household things. 435 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,240 I mean, you buy houses. I only want certain toasters now 436 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,360 because I know that if I buy a toaster or a kettle from around 437 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,240 the corner, in a couple of months it's going to pack up and 438 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,240 have to buy another one. And I don't want the hassle of 439 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,600 that, let alone to have to toss it out, buy a new one, you know. 440 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,680 So it's the same with everything I think. 441 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,160 You know, it's funny, since you mentioned toasters, I want to 442 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,280 you have another side of you besides fit modeling, besides 443 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,000 doing runway, besides cycling all over New York City. 444 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,120 You know, which is how we first met when you walked into an 445 00:24:41,120 --> 00:24:43,480 event in your with your cycling helmet. 446 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,240 And a mini skirt. And a mini skirt. 447 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,920 May I add, and it was a fan. It was at the Rainbow Room. 448 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,840 Yes. I felt so out of place. 449 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,120 I was in sneakers and a tiny little mini skirt and a helmet 450 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,520 in hand. And thank God I met you, Diane. 451 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840 You were like, hi, I'll be your friend today. 452 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,160 I was like, thank goodness. And it was sort of a wonderful 453 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,000 friendship. Yeah. 454 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:07,320 But you mentioned toasters and I want to go to that topic because 455 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:13,640 you have an interest in homes and, excuse me, in construction 456 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,800 and you've been buying properties with that modelling 457 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,720 money. You've been buying properties 458 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:27,320 and turning them into homes and homes not just for you, but 459 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,680 others I'd love to hear about. This. 460 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,960 Side transition that is a very equally weighted part of your 461 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,280 life. I am so passionate about it 462 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,120 also, especially coming from England and obviously I grew up 463 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,840 in London, so it's still slightly smaller living, but I 464 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,320 grew up in a house and when I moved to America, I was like, 465 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,800 wait, this is an apartment. This is like a glorified 466 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,920 roommate situation. Everyone's like, Oh no, like we 467 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 all grew up in apartments. Like that's, you know, very a 468 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,640 New York thing. But I'm especially, I'm 469 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,320 especially passionate about this because of living in New York, I 470 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,600 think, and living in literal shoe boxes for so many years. 471 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:12,440 In 2017, I did was very lucky enough to work incredibly hard 472 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,440 as a fit model and make enough money to buy my own house. 473 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,680 And at the time I was living in the meat packing district, which 474 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,520 I thought was fun and cool, and I was looking at studios in the 475 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,000 West Village, and for the exact same price I could buy a house 476 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,320 just across the water in Jersey City. 477 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,240 And so I did just that. I bought a house. 478 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,280 It was way too big for me, but I was like, Oh my gosh, wow. 479 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:36,800 I. Had a space finally. 480 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,760 I had a kitchen that wasn't in the same room as my bathroom, my 481 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,360 living room. So I was like, wow, OK. 482 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:43,920 I also had a dining room. It was fabulous. 483 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,280 I had a basement like that was amazing. 484 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,480 But yeah, so I bought my first house and I'm so glad and 485 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,280 grateful that I did that. And I really think all my time 486 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,920 in fashion, or, you know, coming from dancing to move into 487 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,120 fashion, really help cultivate that for me because I do have an 488 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,120 eye for interiors. You do. 489 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,440 I've seen some of your work. That's phenomenal. 490 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,520 Thank you. And I really think it's very 491 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,400 important. And I feel like I sound like my 492 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,480 father or everyone's mother or father here, but I feel like 493 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,280 it's so important to have a side hustle, not to have a backup 494 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,320 plan per SE. Like if you want to be an 495 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,440 astronaut, you can. Apparently Katy Perry just did 496 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,760 it too. So if you if. 497 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:31,160 You. That's a whole other topic. 498 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,600 Yeah, if you want to be anything, I really believe that 499 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,360 you can be absolutely anything you want. 500 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,520 I mean, even if it's like a ladybug, you can be anything you 501 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,960 want. But I do think it's very 502 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,880 important. That's another topic too. 503 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,520 Yeah, I do think it's very important to be able to have 504 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,680 different side hustles and different pools of things to go 505 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,600 into. I do think diversity is very 506 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,560 important. I think I'm slightly I get very 507 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,360 bored with one thing. I don't I can't do a nine to 508 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,920 five. I can't be stuck in a box. 509 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,960 I always want to do what I want to do, which is it can be come 510 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480 across as very spoiled and stubborn. 511 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,480 But I also think I'd like to say it's also a good trait because 512 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,320 it makes me more entrepreneurial. 513 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,640 And so in saying that I've decided to buy a house because I 514 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,320 didn't want to pay rent anymore and I just thought it was silly 515 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,400 to keep paying rent and also to buy a tiny little shoebox apt. 516 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,360 I was also paying HOA fees on that. 517 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,040 I was like, I'm going to buy house and I'm going to do it. 518 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,840 And so I did. And then I had a horrific 519 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,080 accident in 2020. I was hit by a car and COVID 520 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,640 happened and the whole world stopped. 521 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,800 But also so did I. I really stopped. 522 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,280 And not only did I fly out fashion and everything I ever 523 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,840 thought I even had, I couldn't walk for six months. 524 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:57,720 So it was a really crazy time for me emotionally, mentally in 525 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,760 many ways, and the rest of the world, of course, but I 526 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080 especially got. Excuse. 527 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,760 Me, I got hit pretty hard. Yeah. 528 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,720 And I also ran out of money. And at the time I again, being 529 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,880 stubborn was like, I am not selling my house, old friend, 530 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,360 you are not selling your house. You worked so hard to get here, 531 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,960 yada yada yada. Long story short, I got talked 532 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,120 into selling my house and I did. And I made money on it, Diane. 533 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360 And I didn't just make a small amount, I made a good amount of 534 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,040 money on that. And I was like. 535 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,440 In Jersey City, it was a point everyone wanted to move out of 536 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,680 New York. Well, it was also perfect for 537 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:41,160 that because I'd I was right by the PATH train very accessible 538 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520 into Manhattan. It was a house with a back 539 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,680 garden in a cool ish neighborhood that was 540 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,200 affordable. I mean, all of these houses are 541 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,880 well under $1,000,000. Some of them are even under half 542 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,760 a million. So that's really in New York 543 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,600 City. Boy, is that affordable or close 544 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,000 enough. Like everyone would jump at 545 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,160 that. And at COVID they did. 546 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440 And so I was really glad to make money on that and I put my money 547 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,880 instead of sticking it all in the bank, I did put a little bit 548 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,760 of money in the bank. I did also buy myself a few 549 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,440 fancy handbags, what can I say? And then I bought a small 550 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,480 apartment from there and I thought I'll live in the 551 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,640 apartment and keep the other the rest of the money and whatever. 552 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,640 And I didn't ended up renting out, made money on that. 553 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,040 And then a year later, I had more money from working and 554 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,960 doing other things. And I, I bought a really, I mean 555 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:36,360 when I mean money, these houses are falling down, just to be 556 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,120 clear. And you've seen. 557 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,040 I saw one of them, Charlotte, and if I didn't see the 558 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,080 aftermath, we wouldn't be taking on this portion of the show. 559 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440 When I saw the before, you know what I said? 560 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,720 I said. You were like, do not. 561 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,680 You got to be kidding me. You know this. 562 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480 There's no way you can do this on a on a budget. 563 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,920 Yeah. And, and not go completely 564 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,360 upside down. And not only did you do it, I 565 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,240 was truly blown away by the end result. 566 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,680 Yeah, unbelievable. Well, thank you for that. 567 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,520 From not just the design, I mean the the hard things, but then 568 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:16,280 all the how you decorated it. Yeah, so, so essentially I, I 569 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,600 bought and sold and bought and sold and I, I, I flipped 4 570 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:27,920 houses and flipped 6 properties, so apartments and I even bought 571 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:33,120 an apartment in Miami during COVID and that did incredibly 572 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,000 well because everybody moved down to Florida. 573 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,960 Now, yes, my timing was lucky, but also I, I believe in luck to 574 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,000 a certain degree, but I know that I'm a bit of a hustler and 575 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,240 I, I did what I needed to do. I also make sure I'm there for 576 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,480 every viewing. So I'm selling the house myself 577 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,720 and everybody gets to meet me, the girl that blood, sweat and 578 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,800 tears in that puppy. So that's kind of what I did and 579 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,800 I managed to gross 2.4 million in that amount of time, which is 580 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,400 a good number. That's a big number. 581 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,960 And I'm very proud of myself. You should be proud of that 582 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,560 because that's been a side hustle. 583 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,520 So being able to get into real estate and flip houses. 584 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,200 And this isn't a real estate broker, this is more of an 585 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,200 investor situation really. But with not a lot of money, it 586 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,720 is possible, you know, And I could still model on the side. 587 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,200 Granted, it wasn't always easy if I had like a nightmare with a 588 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,560 tenant or something, but it's definitely manageable. 589 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,760 And now I'm on my property number six and I have tenants 590 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,120 living upstairs. I, I, I make a good amount of 591 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520 kind of rent, as it were. And I have an Absolutely 592 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:39,480 Fabulous property. And I feel so grateful, Diane, 593 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840 to be able to be in this situation. 594 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,840 Granted, moving 22 times in 17 years. 595 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,640 Oh, I can relate. It's probably not ideal and also 596 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:57,520 moving seven times in four years is and last year I moved three 597 00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,360 times in one year. So those kind of things people 598 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,800 don't want to do and it's not fun, but equally the reward 599 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,240 after all of that slogging around And when I mean I move, I 600 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,680 have a 70 gallon fish tank that I'm moving with me every time. 601 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880 Like it's not just and six bikes. 602 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,800 It's not just like I'm moving a few things here and there. 603 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,360 It's it's it's a hefty. Move. 604 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:27,560 But that that kind of that work for me is it's still worth it. 605 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,360 And I love the process of having a team of managing a team of 606 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,880 understanding. You know, I'll tell you and 607 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,640 everyone that that house that I bought was infested with rats. 608 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,200 And I didn't know it was so bad. I mean, it was so bad, but you 609 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,640 know, how what do you do with rats? 610 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,040 Because rats aren't mice. You have to call the city for 611 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,600 rats. That's just the city problem, 612 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,760 You know, do I want to move into a rat infested house? 613 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,080 Should I just drop this and leave? 614 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,280 You know, a lot of big, big problems, mold issues, walls 615 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120 falling down, things that I would never big girl problems, 616 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,120 as you say, things that I would never even think about. 617 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,960 You know, somebody cut a tree down at the front of my house 618 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,960 and I, the city started fining me and I had no idea what I was 619 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,320 getting fined for, You know, all of these issues. 620 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,719 But this is life. And this is also being a 621 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,440 homeowner and this is the problems you bump into when you 622 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,159 do want to kind of progress. And so although they're very 623 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,760 annoying, it's kind of learning to take them on and be like, 624 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,520 alright, I'm just going to let that part go and I'm going to go 625 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,239 and focus on this modelling job I have or whatever. 626 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,239 And I think the diversity in being able to flip houses, the 627 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,440 creativity behind that, in being able to design my own kitchen to 628 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,560 make. Multiple kitchens. 629 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,080 Three in one house. Three in the last one, three 630 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,719 kitchens and they all look different. 631 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,880 They do. Thank you. 632 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,440 Yeah. So, yeah. 633 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,280 So just to close on that, really, I do feel very grateful 634 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,600 for that. But it's not for the faint 635 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,040 haunted, like, you know, people that aren't willing to just like 636 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,440 dive in the deep end and just hope that you swim, don't drown. 637 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,920 I don't recommend it for some kinds of people, but me just 638 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:03,360 being that ex dancer turned kind of how am I going to hustle my 639 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,320 way to make money and do this and kind of figuring out the 640 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,120 game and puzzle that is making money in life and so so yeah, 641 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,800 yeah. Where do you imagine this going 642 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,920 next? Thank you for that question. 643 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,120 Yeah, I would like to be able to not flip the house that I live 644 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,600 in. And I think moving forward, I 645 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,640 would love to be able to, which I've been looking at, as I told 646 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,440 you before we started to buy an apartment building and it's kind 647 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,320 of for New Yorkers, ish. And I know because I've been a 648 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,040 New Yorker, even though I have this accent for many, many 649 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,840 years. And to give people with less, I 650 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,760 guess kind of the less than not the highest income to give 651 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,560 people that are on rent controlled apartments actually a 652 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,400 good experience because everyone's always like, Oh my, 653 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,800 my landlord. And but I have a great rent. 654 00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:03,680 And it's like, I would love to be able to offer great rents and 655 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,840 also give you a really awesome living experience in New York or 656 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,080 the surrounding area. So and also maybe give you a 657 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,800 nice looking apartment too. So let's see. 658 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,160 I mean, dreams do come true. But yeah, I would love to 659 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:21,920 continue my house flipping venture wherever that takes me. 660 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000 And it's only been me. I'm a one man shop. 661 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,200 So I've done the investing, I've done the flipping, I've done the 662 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,920 construction, I've done the managing. 663 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,440 So I don't know if I would want to get more of a team or find a 664 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,120 way because I'm quite, as you and I both know, because we've 665 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,000 worked together, definitely quite. 666 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,560 I want it like this, I want it like that. 667 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,440 So not sure if I'd be able to manage A-Team, but maybe I 668 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,640 would. I think your sense of excellence 669 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,520 shows you know you're very demanding, not just on others, 670 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,160 but yourself. Very much so myself. 671 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,600 And I think that's how it kind of bleeds in to standards being 672 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,800 very high for everybody. Yeah. 673 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,120 So, yeah. So I would like to continue 674 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,640 that, but I would still like to continue modeling because I 675 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,280 think it has been, we've discussed this. 676 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,760 I I think it's so fun to be able. 677 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:15,360 I also feel so privileged to be in a position that I can be and 678 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,600 do these runway shows and then flip a house next week and then 679 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,800 do another runway show and then maybe do a podcast with Diane 680 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,400 and do all these different things. 681 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,480 Or a commercial or an advertisement. 682 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,480 Because there's that's the fascinating thing about the 683 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,800 model modeling world and commercials and print that if 684 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,080 you look at ads, there's every kind of person in them. 685 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520 It's just you don't see it as much in the fashion side. 686 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,960 But if you think about commercials in general, it's an 687 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,360 it's an opportunity that you could continue with your whole 688 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,880 life. And I want to because I enjoy 689 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:56,520 it, but also because I know how desperately needed it is for my 690 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,080 demographic. I really believe that to be 691 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,800 true. And I'm not talking about 692 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,200 inclusivity because I think the fashion industry, now this is 693 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,040 incredibly controversial. I believe that they've become 694 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,000 very inclusive. I think putting someone very, 695 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,040 very slim, very, very tall on the front of the magazine is 696 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:17,880 fine. And I think putting somebody 697 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,440 that is, you know, also in the plus size range on a magazine 698 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,880 also fine. But there is a hell of a lot of 699 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,680 missing pieces in between that and also ages in between that. 700 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,720 And I, I hope that it will continue to evolve. 701 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,720 And I think that they finally got the the idea, but I think 702 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:42,480 they've swung the the pendulum so kind of far back and forth. 703 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560 That's a very interesting point that what it's almost like the 704 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,880 extremes are being seen and not like like a Charlotte in the 705 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400 middle. Yeah, well, what about the 706 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,880 people in the middle? Because that's the majority of 707 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,360 us. What about the girls with short 708 00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,560 blonde hair and tattoos and bruises and what have you? 709 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,680 So what about those women in their 30s that are just everyday 710 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,480 women, you know, and I don't mean that in a way that they're 711 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,680 less than or they're, you know, the girl next door style. 712 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:17,160 But I, I mean it in like there is a lot of us out there and 713 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,400 there is probably not as many even plus size demographic out 714 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,240 there as there is that mid 30s to 40s range of women just 715 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,360 sitting at home nursing a baby, looking at what they should buy 716 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:33,040 next. You know, So for me, I feel like 717 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,280 fashion needs to wake up there. And the money that they're 718 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:40,680 losing out on is also like, hello, guys, you know, and I, I 719 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,200 don't know about you, Diane, but I definitely see a lot of 720 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,760 interesting people in commercials and I think that's 721 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,040 fabulous. But I'm not super duper 722 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,920 interesting looking. I don't have purple hair or 723 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,880 shaved head or, you know, piercings everywhere. 724 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,240 I don't think most people do. So as you said, it's those, you 725 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,040 know, they're the extremes, but it's there. 726 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,480 There was a great expression by Edie Weiner, a futurist, and she 727 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,640 used to say the extremes and form the middle because most 728 00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,720 people are in that middle somewhere. 729 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:15,640 And you know, from that rail thin heroine chic to, you know, 730 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,640 the mega plus model, there's the the majority of the people in 731 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,520 between. And you're looking at her. 732 00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,480 Yeah. So yeah. 733 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:31,400 What do you do? You get feedback from casting 734 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,240 agents or brands? I'm just curious about me one 735 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,000 way or another. Yeah. 736 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,280 Well, I'll be honest. Yeah, because I can be here. 737 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,960 Yes, of course, I usually don't get booked. 738 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,280 It's a very small percentage. And then when I do get booked, 739 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,040 Diane, they don't stop booking me. 740 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,960 They don't stop. Yeah. 741 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,400 Oh, I would believe that. Because once they see the many 742 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,800 faces of Charlotte Reardon, because truly, you are 743 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,400 transformative. I mean, I remember seeing 744 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,920 pictures of you sitting sitting behind some fashion show, and 745 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,680 you had very dark eye makeup on. And I'm looking at the pictures 746 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,680 thinking, I wonder why Charlotte put this out. 747 00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:11,320 Because I didn't realize it was you. 748 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,280 And I was wondering who it was. I think I even asked you who it 749 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,800 was and you said that that's me. And so and so took that picture 750 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,160 when I was just sitting in between my walk on the runway. 751 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,440 And I was blown away. And it wasn't like it was horror 752 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,240 makeup or anything. It was just different makeup. 753 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,080 And you took on a whole new look. 754 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,120 And plus, if anyone actually ever saw you move, I mean, like, 755 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,680 I, I was, I wasn't joking about the Macarena. 756 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,800 I meant it seriously. I think it was one of the first 757 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,640 things I saw when I first met you, you know, but and I used to 758 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120 crack up when we would get together and all of a sudden 759 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,840 Charlotte would do a high kick on her head, like hi, Diane. 760 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,000 And the high would be a leg all the way up over your head. 761 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,840 And I'm thinking, Oh my God, my groin, my groin's hurting. 762 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,400 And she just said hello with her. 763 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,560 Leg yes, I did indeed. Yeah. 764 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,560 Well, I think also for me, I have a lot of experience in 765 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,280 fashion. Yeah. 766 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,200 And of course 10 plus years or 13 years as a fit model is one 767 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,880 thing, but. Also that dancing. 768 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,600 Yeah, but I also show up on time. 769 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,800 Yes, I bring all the shoes. I bring a million and one 770 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,160 different shoes. I bring 10 different bras, you 771 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,320 know, and that's just experience, I think, and double 772 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,520 checking the call sheet before you go to bed at night to make 773 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,880 sure, you know, showing up with really no makeup on when they, 774 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,560 when they ask you. And well, you and I have 775 00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,840 discussed that many times. So for me, I think the dancing 776 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,440 part does play a big part, like you said, but also the many, 777 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,240 many years that I have, I have a professionalism. 778 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,320 Yeah, I think so. And I treat it like a job. 779 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,280 I don't treat it like, Oh yeah, I just got booked on this 780 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,480 commercial. It's like, oh, no, no, I have a 781 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,520 job tomorrow. So I've got to go to bed at 9:00 782 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,080 and I need to be up and Adam and have everything ready to go, you 783 00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,520 know, and I print out everything ready to go. 784 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,520 But I also think that people see the moment they do con on to 785 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,680 hiring a girl my age, a woman my age, somebody like me, not only 786 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,480 do they see, you know, the knowledge that I have in fit, 787 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:16,680 but they also see what a difference it makes to have a 788 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,880 store, a sore thumb kind of stick out like that. 789 00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,880 But yes, professionalism, but also somebody like me, my age 790 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,720 and the reaction, because I think it's about changing 791 00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,720 people's ideas and the reaction isn't bad. 792 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,360 You know, it's always good and it's always like, oh, OK, this 793 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,320 is interesting. She isn't like, you know, got, 794 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,160 like I said before, she doesn't have spiky hair or looking. 795 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,960 She's not, you know, causing a somebody to double take. 796 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:56,440 But there is a different level of special which is normal. 797 00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,200 Does that make sense? It, it does make sense. 798 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,200 And, and it's interesting because as I preface this show, 799 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,240 the industry's picking up on it. You're getting a lot of media 800 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,840 coverage, you're getting a lot of outlets saying. 801 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,120 Hold on a minute, maybe. We should exactly hold on a 802 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,840 minute, as Charlotte would say hold on a minute. 803 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,120 Yeah. So, yeah. 804 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,000 So let's try and continue this, you know. 805 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,880 Yes. Now I'm sure you get asked all 806 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,480 the time and we were talking about professionalism and since 807 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:34,640 we might as well save you a lot of time because I'm sure 808 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,880 everyone says, Charlotte, I want to be a model. 809 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,800 You know, can you help make me a model? 810 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:47,160 How do you And so we in the future, you can say, well, watch 811 00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,240 the silver disbedience perception dynamics podcast and 812 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,000 watch it all the way to the end, because in the end, I share my 813 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,480 advice about becoming a model. Obviously as we've discussed, 814 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:06,360 anyone can can has a look that is bookable, but how does some 815 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,200 how in your opinion, what would be the advice you would give 816 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,360 someone? So yes, anybody can be a model, 817 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,160 but if you really want to be a model, you have to be willing to 818 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:22,440 sacrifice a lot of money on test shoots, first of all, and a 819 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,760 serious amount of time. And I think people don't take it 820 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:28,360 seriously. People are like, oh, my pictures 821 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,320 are good enough. You know, like my aunt took them 822 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:31,800 and they're photoshopped in a certain way. 823 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,840 No, anyone's going to see through that. 824 00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000 And I think it's how do I explain this? 825 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,400 People can tell the difference between a model and not a model 826 00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,920 when they've been in the industry. 827 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,480 Casting directors will support you a mile off, an absolute mile 828 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,560 off. And if your book isn't 829 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:55,840 impeccable when you're going to interview at a modeling agency 830 00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,680 or what have you, if your digitals aren't the best that 831 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,600 they can be, because then normally they look for Polaroids 832 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,880 or digitals, Same, same thing, which is essentially a very 833 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,880 basic look with next to no makeup on, standing, taken with 834 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,400 a regular camera. And it's not been photoshopped. 835 00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,760 That's like a digital or Polaroid for people. 836 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,000 Which is the biggest hurdle for most people to accept when you 837 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,760 say to them, well, you're going to need digitals, Yeah. 838 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,000 And that's skinny pair of jeans, the tight T-shirt and no makeup 839 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,360 and your hair basically flat. Yeah. 840 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,480 Yeah, and they're like, oh, but I love this shirt. 841 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,160 No, I love this. And I want to put my eyelashes 842 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,400 on. It's like, no, guys, you're 843 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,480 never going to get hired. But for me, it's really a 844 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,440 sacrifice. Like everybody quote and quote 845 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,440 wants to be a model, but people don't realize what the sacrifice 846 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,880 is. And it's the same with if you 847 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,840 want to be a singer, if you want to be a dancer, if you want to 848 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,760 be a, I don't know anything. I, I really believe that there 849 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,240 is so much sacrifice that goes into it. 850 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:51,760 And for me, it took me many years to accept the fact that I 851 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:57,160 need to invest $1500 a year at least just on getting photo 852 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,800 shoots done for myself personally to keep My Portfolio 853 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,080 up today. Because that's what casting 854 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,800 directors look at. I think if you really, really 855 00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,480 want to model, which yes, I do, that's all my DMS, by the way. 856 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,480 That's like every exactly every other DM is. 857 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,000 Yeah, sure, I will absolutely help you. 858 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,880 But are you willing to make the sacrifice? 859 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,240 Are you willing to actually take this seriously? 860 00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:22,560 Yes, yes, I'm willing to take it seriously. 861 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,200 OK. Well, then you need to invest 862 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,760 $5000 in this, this, this, and oh, no. 863 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,000 Well, I couldn't possibly. Well, then you know, so for me, 864 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:34,720 it's really about sacrificing your time and just investing 865 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:36,800 your money in you in your career. 866 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,520 And it's also about not giving up being a tenacious I really. 867 00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,480 Love that word. Yes, it's a good word. 868 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,000 And you are tenacious. Yeah. 869 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,040 And like, I still have so many Nos. 870 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,360 Diane and I have been on hold just alone this month. 871 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,320 I was on hold for five different name brands that you would know 872 00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,000 for sure. And right, currently, I'm on 873 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,880 hold for one of the biggest commercials I think of my whole 874 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,480 entire life. Now, let's hope we book it. 875 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,480 But I'm not crossing my fingers on my toes because I was on on 876 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,960 hold for five different commercials last month and I 877 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,280 didn't book any of them. But I had to hold the date and I 878 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,000 had to wait till 9:00 to get the call. 879 00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,280 Hey, Charlotte, Sorry. We've decided to go with the 880 00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,400 other model. OK, fine. 881 00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:21,480 So you have to be willing to do that and you have to be OK with 882 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,800 even now I'm 15 years in fashion in modeling. 883 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,200 I'm still getting nose today and I'm still getting a lot of them. 884 00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,200 And what people see is my yeses. They don't see all the nose. 885 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,040 Oh. Exactly. 886 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,600 And they don't see that. Oh gosh. 887 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,960 OK, well maybe I should just flip another house this year 888 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,960 instead of whatever. So I think those are the two 889 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,040 things for me is really just being willing to sacrifice and 890 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,600 sacrifice everything. And the early nights, because 891 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,920 you don't know if you're going to get that last minute call or 892 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,440 they're not going out and having a drink or not, or not eating 893 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,400 that slice of pizza. You want to eat at night because 894 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,440 you're hungry at 5:00, but at 9 you actually may find out you're 895 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,680 due on set tomorrow at 6:00 AM. Well, exactly. 896 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:05,120 You don't want to arrive puffy and swollen from the soul. 897 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,480 Well, exactly. And I think, I think, I think 898 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,160 more, I think now I'm a bit more like, well, maybe I'll just have 899 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,000 the pizza. But yeah, no, I agree. 900 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,640 And I also think that some people just are this sounds 901 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:24,080 pretty ruthless. Some people just aren't built 902 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,120 for that. Yeah, I agree. 903 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,560 And some people, you know, people would say they come to 904 00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,000 New York because they want to be an actor. 905 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,480 It's like, do you want to be an actor or do you want to be like 906 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,840 an extra? Do you know what I mean? 907 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,320 And I don't know because I don't know about acting, but I do know 908 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,720 that modeling acting, a lot of these industries have very 909 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,680 similar ways in and they think that just because Kate Moss got 910 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,320 discovered in McDonald's that maybe they'll get discovered 911 00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,880 that way. And 90% of people, you know, 912 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,080 everyone says, oh, you're an overnight, your overnight 913 00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:58,000 success takes 10 years. And I agree with that. 914 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,040 Yeah. Oh my gosh, Charlotte, I could 915 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,480 keep talking to you for at least another hour. 916 00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,880 So we're going to have to schedule a lunch. 917 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,680 Very. But thank you, everyone. 918 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,480 This has been the Silver Disobedience Perception Dynamics 919 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,080 podcast. I have been speaking with 920 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,120 Charlotte Reardon, who is absolutely special. 921 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,240 She's amazing. All of her contact information 922 00:50:19,240 --> 00:50:22,000 is going to be below so you can follow her on Instagram, which I 923 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,680 highly recommend you do. And look for that Macarena 924 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,120 Macarena video or something else she posts because she's 925 00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,200 guaranteed to please with something that will make you 926 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,240 smile and laugh and feel inspired. 927 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,360 Thank you so much, Charlotte. Thank you for having me, Diane. 928 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,320 Thanks everyone. Please hit subscribe and share 929 00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,680 this with your friends, especially your friends that 930 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,280 want to learn more about the modeling industry because 931 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,880 they'll certainly have learned a lot through this episode. 932 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:49,800 Thanks.