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Things that broke out on their 
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asked those that were around 
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the Ark of the Covenant? 
It'd be at one town. 

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They pawned it off another town.
Same thing that happened to 

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them. 
They're like pawned off your and

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they're all, they're all like 
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What shall we do with the Ark of
the Covenant, which is the 

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presence of the Lord in that 
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Amen. 
I'm glad that I'm not pawned it 

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off somewhere. 
Like what? 

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What should we do with it? 
I hope we're not ever in the 

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situation that he moves in and 
we're like what? 

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What should we do with this? 
I hope we know what to do with 

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it, right? 
Amen. 

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That we engage with it. 
Hallelujah. 

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Engage with the Spirit in the 
presence of the Lord. 

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He man. 
Just a few announcements 

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tomorrow night, ladies, night 
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You are leaving the church at 
5:15 ladies night out. 

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You're leaving at 5:15. 
This coming Sunday is Mother's 

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Day. 
Just be 1 service in the AM and 

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the sister McGee will be 
speaking mothers on that Sunday 

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morning and there'll be no PM 
service again. 

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Those who there is a sign up 
sheet on the bulletin board If 

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you want to participate or help 
in bringing a dessert for 

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feeding the firemen then on 
Monday the 12th and bring that 

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on Sunday or then there's also 
time frame there on Monday that 

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the sister Milan and brother 
Reese would be your doors open. 

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You have any questions about 
that time frame You can see them

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and such on the 12th also. 
This is very important if you 

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are going to camp. 
This is important on the 12th is

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camp registration. 
So keep your eyes on Facebook. 

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I know brother Alex Mason keep 
things have posted things he 

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always post things on our church
site district stuff. 

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Amen. 
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you want to be there before that
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at your computer of your phone. 
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you want to be ready to go. 
It's like a race. 

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I mean, it's just like a race. 
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You don't want to. 
Oh, I'll do it at 30 minutes 

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later, 30 minutes later you 
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Well, let me say like you 
probably ain't going. 

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Yeah, and it's Eastern Time. 
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Pardon me. 
OK, 6:00 PM Central, 7 Eastern. 

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So you 6:00 your time PM. 
So just kind of putting that out

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there to kind of, you know, keep
damage control down and by 

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coming to me crying on my 
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it's seriously, I might be 
crying. 

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I go out there for my four man 
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ain't staying. 
I would if I had to game of 

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night the 23rd of of of May. 
That starts at 7:00 PM game 

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night. 
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25th of May. 
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service in the AM and then we're
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Our, our plan is to do and we'll
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do like hot dogs and hamburgers 
and like potato salad and things

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that just kind of like that 
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aspect. 
And I'll be getting a menu up 

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for people to be able to sign up
and be trying to talk to a few 

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men, see if they want to bring 
maybe two or three girls here at

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the church that we can cook off 
of them such outside and such. 

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So we have a good time and have 
a good time. 

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And then June the 1st through 
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of time. 
So, you know, like a broken 

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record, that's OK, but it will 
be revival with Adrian Sanford. 

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That's a Sunday through a 
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Wednesday. 
Amen. 

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Stamp me turn to the book of 
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left off last week. 
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I'm going to finish out the 
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How about that? 
How about that, Amen. 

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Also at the end of service, I 
got some books up here that I'm 

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ready to go on with, like pass 
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So anybody that's interested in 
the book, you can come after 

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service, peruse, take it, take 
one or two. 

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I got one called a good man. 
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for men from Baroness to 
Fruitfulness. 

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The end of me. 
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All right. 
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next year, connect. 
And then this is a little bit of

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a technical read on the science 
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nerd. 
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Parasite Rex, it's all about 
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your body that's there right 
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It's pretty interesting. 
So it is, it is a little bit of 

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a technical read though, on 
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So for some it might be good 
reading material for going to 

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sleep for some of you. 
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16, and verse #4 is where we're 
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All right. 
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unto Hagar. 
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And when she saw that she had 
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despised in her eyes. 
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wrong be upon thee, I have given
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And when she saw that she had 
conceived, I was despised in her

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eyes. 
And the Lord judge between me 

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and thee. 
But Abram said unto Sarah, I 

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behold, thy maid is in thine 
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thee. 
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her, she fled from her face. 
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and then I'll continue reading 
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The overall title for all of 
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Pain. 
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Amen. 
Lord I need you tonight God, 

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we're great for those that have 
gathered in on this Wednesday to

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once again send our lives around
your word. 

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I pray God it is a word. 
The Lord, these are the words of

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life. 
Jesus said God and I know Lord 

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that they can be life giving for
us even tonight in our personal 

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walks, relationship with you. 
We will not Lord fail to honor 

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you that I pray Lord Jesus with 
what we have learned and 

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understand from here this 
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You may be seated and I'll 
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to go and read to the end of the
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go from there. 
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her by a fountain. 
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Okay. 
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And the Angel of the Lord found 
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fountain of water in the 
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By the fountain, and the way to 
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whither thou go? 
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face of my mistress Sarai. 
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unto her, Return to thy 
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under her hands. 
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unto her, I will multiply thy 
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This is not being said to Abram,
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And the Angel of the Lord said 
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child, and shalt bearish, and 
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Ishmael, because the Lord hath 
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And he will be a wild man, and 
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man, and every man's hand 
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And she called the name of the 
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God seest me. 
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looked after him? 
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Wherefore the well was called 
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bread, and Haggar bear Abram a 
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name, which Haggar bear Ishmael 
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Scores is 20 years all right and
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Ishmael to Abram all right, so 
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Heaven Ishmael, God bless Abram.
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I was just the other day I was 
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a dentist. 
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friend of theirs were just 
having her second child and they

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were like my age. 
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bless him. 
I said I and that's fine. 

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They do that. 
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do it a little younger so I'd 
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that came into my house. 
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So most scholars, and I'm just 
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the way tonight because in my 
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I don't just do title of the 
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sections of my sermon. 
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bit for here to begin tonight 
about the womb, A womb, not a 

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woman womb, not a woman. 
Because Haggar, again, according

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to verse #1 was an Egyptian. 
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before she was a handmaid or a 
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And so with that in mind, that 
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was a female slave of, of some 
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one of the reasons why. 
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Sarah's, Sarah's handmaid, all 
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speak. 
And whenever I, I feel like I 

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could do a whole lot of 
explaining right here, because 

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oftentimes we start talking 
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we all think about our recent 
history in America of modern day

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slaves. 
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but nonetheless, So I don't have
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All right. 
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that's not what it's like, all 
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But nonetheless, here she is a 
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here a little later after that, 
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and she sees a little attitude. 
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the attitude difference and how 
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that she goes to Abraham talking
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this and Abrams response to her 
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basically your maid is in your 
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Your maid is in your hand due 
due to her as as you please her 

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as you would want to do so 
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is really Sarah's made her 
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they first went down into Egypt 
about what might actually happen

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to his wife member. 
You know, say that you're my 

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you're you're you're my sister, 
not my wife. 

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You remember the whole scenario 
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of of of him a little bit the 
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Well, here's really kind of a 
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doesn't advocate for another 
woman his life, the one that now

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carrying the seat of his first 
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Let's do it for what you want. 
So this this almost gets a 

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little bit confusing to me, but 
the Hebrew term that that 

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describes Haggar's slavery 
identifies her as a non Jewish 

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female slave expected to perform
difficult or menial tasks within

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the household. 
And it's actually derived from a

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root that specifically refers to
this an extra appendage. 

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An extra appendage, something 
else, right. 

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And so it's like that's the 
viewpoint of Haggar within the 

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household of Abram and Sarah, 
the extra appendage, it's almost

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like you have a complete nuclear
family here and you're just 

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extra. 
I already got two hands. 

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I really don't need another one,
but you know what I'm saying? 

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And so she's she's in this row 
then really supplementary, 

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supplementary to them, if I 
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Let's put it in modern day 
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She didn't matter. 
She's the take it or leave it 

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type of option, you know. 
And so as a slave, though, 

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Haggar has no control over her 
fate. 

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She has no control over the 
places that she she would be 

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taken. 
She's considered by cultural 

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standards, she's considered 
property. 

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She's considered property. 
And so she appears to have no 

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control over her life or the 
events that happened around her 

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in her life. 
As a matter of fact, even her 

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sexual relations and activities 
are controlled by her mistress, 

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Sarah or Sarah. 
And so that's why we see Sarah 

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giving Hagar. 
She's giving Hagar to Abram, and

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Abram has relations to her in, 
in verse #4 And so at this 

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point, Hagar has has no doubt 
again been drawn into a 

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situation here. 
She has been given to Abram. 

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She's been drawn into a 
situation she doesn't have any 

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control over. 
All right? 

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No control over it. 
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so Sarai sees Hagar as a womb. 
She's a womb. 

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And so Hagar assumes the role 
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play in, and she does fulfill 
the role she fulfills a role 

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that Sarai couldn't fulfill with
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Well, folks, you, you, you, you 
take a person that's an extra 

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appendage that's non essential, 
that doesn't matter, and you let

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them fulfill something that 
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Master couldn't. 
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almost any human being is going 
to have a little feelings come 

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up inside of them. 
I'm, I mean, I'm just being on. 

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I mean, I probably would have 
too. 

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I know I can't get pregnant, but
I'm just saying, I probably, I'm

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just saying the, the dynamics, I
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that also. 
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all these menial tasks. 
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be present in the room, but I'm 
unseen, you know, I, I don't 

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really matter. 
I just viewed as extra 

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unnecessary appendage all these 
things. 

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So now though she's been given 
this task she's needed now, the 

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non essential is essential now. 
And so she became what Sarah 

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couldn't pregnant, pregnant. 
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some things that develop and 
this is my next setting. 

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They're in this shared space. 
Speaking of Sarai and Haggar 

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without shared understanding, 
according to Sarai, Hagar's 

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sense of worth now after she is 
conceived has somehow altered 

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her attitude to a certain degree
towards Sarai. 

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We read in verse 5 and some of 
these verses that Sarai even 

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picks up on that she's she's 
despising me. 

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Sorry. 
She's saying she's despising me.

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She's spiteful toward me. 
And maybe she felt Hagar was 

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trying to, you know, claim some 
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right? 
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situation, but here's Sarah. 
I, we got to understand these 

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two lives, these two women, 
their two lives, Sarah is 

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dealing with a delayed promise 
in her life, or at least what 

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she feel like is delayed. 
She's barren. 

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She's aging, right? 
Bible says that Abram was 86 

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when Ishmael was born. 
She's aging. 

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She's desperate, all right. 
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Hagar has been living with this 
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She's used. 
She's given to someone like, I 

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mean seriously given another 
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being and she's controlled. 
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really at peace. 
They have their own things that 

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they are contending with in this
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Sarah's identity, here she is. 
She has barrenness that has 

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marked her life. 
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marked her life, not hers, but 
someone else owning her. 

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And So what we see that happens 
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processed correctly in our own 
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other people's lives. 
Because now that Haggar has this

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shift in row of being the 
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speak, to Abram, and she 
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that right. 
And she projects some resentment

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towards Sarai, toward her 
mistress. 

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But Sarah seems to project her 
frustration right back, no doubt

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largely connected to the fact 
she could get pregnant. 

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And I couldn't look at the 
Bible, says Genesis chapter 16 

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and verse number six. 
We are ready to look at it 

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again. 
Here's where Sarah goes and 

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consults Abram about what what 
she senses. 

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And it says that Abram said unto
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thy hand due to her as it 
pleaseth thee. 

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And where Sarah, I dealt hardly 
with her. 

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She fled from her face the 
translation of that last phrase 

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there there's various various 
meetings from different 

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translations. 
Some of the translations read 

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that Sarah I dealt harshly or 
cruelly with Haggar, that she 

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oppressed Hagar or afflicted and
mistreated Hagar. 

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The Message Bible even goes this
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abusive to Hagar. 
Mr. Bruce and Fist says this. 

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He said if Sarah couldn't send 
her slave away, and the reason 

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why he says this is because 
there was some old Babylonian 

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law and code that that that said
that you couldn't just send them

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away. 
You couldn't just send your 

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slave away. 
He says if she couldn't send her

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away, he said then she could at 
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the poor girl would leave on her
own. 

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So the scenario, the plot 
thickens for me. 

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I think it gets a little bit 
more interesting because here 

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Sarah has dealt with years of 
bareness and Hagar's dealt with 

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years of servanthood. 
And so they both each, each 

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woman has their own insecurity. 
They each have their own 

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insecurity and, and everything 
that it entails of being barren 

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for Sarah and everything it 
entails of being a slave or 

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owned for for Hagar. 
But fact of the matter is, this 

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one and the other may not 
understand what this moment 

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brings to the surface for the 
other one. 

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In other words, whenever the 
conception takes place, one may 

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not understand how the other one
is feeling in this matter at 

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this particular juncture of 
time. 

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Because Sarah, she's no doubt 
seeing this girl's getting 

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rebellious. 
She's there's something rearing 

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up inside of her, right? 
But then Haggar's feeling 

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rejected by Sarah. 
Huh. 

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Sarah's feeling dishonored, 
right? 

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And then Haggard, she's, she's 
feeling quite discarded, 

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especially with the mistreatment
and stuff that's coming. 

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And so it's more than just 
Haggard serving in the role that

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Sarah should have for Abraham. 
It's that these two ladies are 

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colliding because they both have
some unspoken wounds in their 

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stories that they're both coming
to the same table with. 

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They're both in pain, different,
categorically different, but 

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they're both in pain. 
And so they're sharing similar 

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space, same household, but they 
lack empathy for one another. 

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Amen. 
They lack empathy. 

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And so Sarah gives Haggard, she 
gives her away to Abram as a 

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wife. 
She mistreats her. 

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Then after the conception, after
everything that was performed, 

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here's the thing. 
She wanted what happened, 

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happened, right, Sarah? 
That's what Sarah was going for.

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That's what she was hoping would
be the end result. 

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But now she's mistreating her 
for what she wanted to happen, 

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and she sees she's 
misunderstanding. 

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Really the reflection in Hagar 
because she just doesn't 

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understand really where she's 
coming from. 

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Folks, the end of the day, it's 
this. 

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There's a lot of times even in 
church life, we share space, but

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we don't share understanding. 
Your pain is not my pain, but we

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all set in here to some degree 
with some portion or mount 

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categorically of pain. 
And you interpret things that I 

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project from the unhealed stuff 
in my life, and you project 

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stuff from the unhealed stuff in
your life. 

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And then we're more like this 
than like this, when a good dose

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of empathy all around could 
really change the whole feeling.

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Amen. 
And so Sarah, those remember 

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this whole thing because it's 
the promise, the promise. 

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They come in, you know, quick 
enough for them. 

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And so this situation is created
and she goes through with it 

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with with giving Haggar. 
And then she can't handle the 

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consequences or she can't handle
the consequences of all this. 

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So Sarah's insecurity is causing
her to interpret Haggar as a 

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threat. 
And now Hagar's feeling a little

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good because she was non 
essential. 

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Now she's essential. 
So there may be a little bit of 

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pride in there to make you, I 
mean, come on, you know, welling

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up inside of her possibly, you 
know, And so she started to 

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interpret. 
Then this pregnancy is, you 

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know, superiority. 
Got a leg up on the mistress. 

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You know, I could bear children.
So when it comes down to the 

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neither woman is fully seen, 
fully heard, fully understood. 

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But also it's important to note 
though, Haggar wasn't just a 

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womb for hire. 
She was a person. 

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Not just a womb for hire, a 
person who has a breaking point.

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She might have been quote UN 
quote A servant, but she had a 

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breaking point. 
Just because she was labeled A 

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servant didn't mean she wasn't 
human. 

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She had a breaking point. 
Look at your neighbor and say, I

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have a breaking point. 
That is a very, very good thing 

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to admit. 
We all have a breaking point, 

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right? 
And so all of Sarah's bitterness

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kind of blinded her from the 
consequences, even from the 

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consequences of her own cruelty 
that she's showing back, the 

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mistreatment that she's showing 
back toward Hagar. 

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And the Bible says that Hagar 
fled from her face. 

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Think with me, folks. 
I mean, just take a moment to 

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think. 
The promise is delayed. 

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I'm doing this so that maybe we 
can help the promise along. 

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This will still be a child from 
Abram's bowels. 

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She's pregnant with the child. 
Let's make it hard for her so 

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she'll leave. 
What? 

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Right. 
It's like the thing that you 

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thought you wanted, now you 
don't want. 

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Hey, man. 
So, well, you know what that all

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really boils down to that. 
That boils down to the results 

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of trying to push God's will 
through human means. 

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And so with that, let's go a 
little step further. 

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I want to talk to you about 
outcasts and covenant places. 

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Genesis 16 verse #7 So Haggar 
has fled, the Bible says and the

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Angel of the Lord found her as 
found Haggar by a fountain of 

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water in the wilderness by the 
fountain in the way to sure I'm 

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you know, I'm not a woman, 
number one, I'm not pregnant #2 

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what is? 
Sometimes you're trying to 

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identify with characters in the 
Bible and stand in their shoes, 

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right? 
And so I'm thinking, oh, sweet 

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or sweet or not hack ours. 
Probably a little dish 

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disillusioned right here by the 
whole play out of things. 

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I mean, seriously, think of it 
for a moment. 

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So Egyptian slave, slave of 
another. 

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But here's the important thing. 
She's not just the slave or the 

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handmaid just to any other. 
She's the handmaid to someone 

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and in a household that's in 
covenant with God, that's 

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important. 
She has no personal possessions 

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of her own, but now she feels 
like she has part ownership 

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because of what's starting to 
grow in her womb. 

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And whether even if she don't 
own it, because that would 

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typically be than Sarah's kid, 
you know, she feels responsible,

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feels responsible for what's 
growing there. 

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And she looks ahead. 
Future looks kind of bleak, 

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right? 
And so with all this Haggard's 

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like, mistreat me. 
You know, you gave me to him. 

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I didn't have to say so on that.
Anyway, mistreat me. 

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I'm, I'm out of here. 
I'm I'm going to go back. 

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I'm going to go back. 
She goes into the wilderness, 

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the Bible says, on the way to 
Sure. 

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The way to Sure is the 
southernmost route from Canaan 

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to Egypt. 
In other words, the the land of 

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Sure itself is near Egypt. 
It seems as though that Haggar 

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is on her way back to where she 
was before she ever met Abram 

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and Sarai. 
It's as though she's going back 

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to Egypt. 
John H Walton said this. 

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He said if Abrams Camp is still 
in Hebron, which we read earlier

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in the scriptures, that that's 
last one of the last places 

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we've seen him. 
If he's still there, then Haggar

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traveled about 70 miles through 
inhospitable territory, and 

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she's been on the road for 
probably about a week. 

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So she's a pregnant woman. 
Come on, ladies. 

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Come on, Sister Grace. 
She is a pregnant woman. 

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The, the, the terrain is not. 
It is not. 

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It's not forgiving. 
It is difficult. 

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She's travelled 70 miles, more 
likely on foot for about a week.

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You want to rub your feet at 
night, rub Hagar's feet. 

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This isn't good. 
She had a place, a household. 

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Now she's totally dis dis. 
You know, she's discarded from 

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there. 
She don't even have a place. 

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She don't even know going back 
to Egypt. 

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What's that going to be like? 
I was a handmade there as well, 

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right? 
And so so she's desperate. 

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She's walking back toward Egypt.
The one and evidently listen to 

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me, she's walking back toward 
Egypt. 

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Evidently they didn't want her 
to begin with because they gave 

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her away to Abram and Sarah. 
I'm just saying, I don't know. 

449
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,680
So what, what does it say? 
Let me put it in these terms. 

450
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,560
What does it say when someone 
would rather return to the world

451
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,880
than stay near the people of 
promise? 

452
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:55,270
Because what I see in this 
picture can also be a church 

453
00:28:55,270 --> 00:29:03,390
problem sometimes having 
insecure covenant people like 

454
00:29:03,390 --> 00:29:09,880
Sarai and I'll name some others 
here in scripture, Saul and 

455
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,000
Israel as a nation. 
And Ahab. 

456
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,960
Let me point out to you what I'm
getting at. 

457
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,720
Outcast with or in covenant 
people. 

458
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,960
First Samuel 27 and verse one, 
the Bible said, and David said 

459
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,800
in his heart, I shall now perish
one day by the hand of Saul. 

460
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:34,280
Saul was a Israelite, David was 
a Israelite, Saul was king. 

461
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960
All right. 
These guys know each other quite

462
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,280
well. 
He says, look what David says. 

463
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,280
There is nothing better for me 
then that I should speedily 

464
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,600
escape into the land of the 
Philistines. 

465
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,960
And Saul shall despair. 
Saul shall despair of me to seek

466
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,080
me anymore in any coast of 
Israel. 

467
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,520
So shall I escape out of his 
hand. 

468
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:08,840
David, Saul, there's considered 
Israel covenant people. 

469
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,880
But David said the way that 
things are right now with Saul, 

470
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,560
there's nothing better for me 
than to resort and be a part of 

471
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,480
someone that's known as the 
enemy of ours, then stay here 

472
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,240
with someone that's supposed to 
be a covenant person with me, 

473
00:30:32,150 --> 00:30:35,800
someone hearing me. 
So what we have here, he said 

474
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,000
there's there's nothing better. 
OK, you might say, well, David 

475
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,200
could probably go there and Saul
wouldn't go there, you know, 

476
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,240
because he that's the enemy 
territory. 

477
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,080
Well, maybe so. 
But if that was the case, David 

478
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,800
had to consider if he went 
there, that maybe he would be at

479
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,920
harm's way at two. 
But evidently he felt at less 

480
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:57,240
harm's way being among his enemy
than he did being among his 

481
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:05,240
people. 
For David, he said if he's seen,

482
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,440
if I stay here with God's 
people, all I see there's a 

483
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,960
death sentence on my life. 
But if I can go to Akesh, that's

484
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,560
where he went. 
Note now he went to gas. 

485
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,560
Now, if you're a Bible reader, 
that should cause your mind to 

486
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,000
think Gath, Gath, whatever. 
I heard Gath. 

487
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,640
Oh, Gath, I tell you where you 
heard Gath, Goliath. 

488
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:34,160
He was from Gath. 
Now the pot sweetens. 

489
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,040
And this is after the Valley of 
Elah. 

490
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,040
This is after David battled 
Goliath. 

491
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,160
He's saying there's nothing 
better for me to go to the 

492
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,200
hometown of the man that I 
slaughtered. 

493
00:31:48,760 --> 00:32:00,040
I would be safer there than with
the people of God. 

494
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,040
Another case in point, the 
prophet Jeremiah you read in the

495
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,840
book of Jeremiah, he's the 
weeping prophet, right? 

496
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,440
Israel never wanted to listen to
him. 

497
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:18,400
His own people beat him, his own
people imprisoned him, and his 

498
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,840
own people virtually hated him. 
But do you know who Jeremiah was

499
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,800
protected by? 
According to Scripture? 

500
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,440
The invading empire that was 
coming into Jerusalem after 

501
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,400
Jerusalem's fall. 
The Bible tells us that the 

502
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:39,160
Babylonian king, which was 
Nebuchadnezzar, instructed his 

503
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,640
captain to care for Jeremiah. 
This is what the Scripture says.

504
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Jeremiah 39 and verse 12. 
This is what Nebuchadnezzar said

505
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,120
to the captain. 
Take him. 

506
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,960
He's Speaking of Jeremiah. 
Take him. 

507
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,760
Look well to him. 
Do him no harm, but do unto him,

508
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,400
even as he shall say unto thee. 
Jeremiah's got two different 

509
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,400
scenarios among his own people. 
Beaten, imprisoned, among what 

510
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,520
would be considered his enemy. 
Take care of him. 

511
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,520
Do no harm. 
I know no one wanting to hear me

512
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,320
right now. 
We also see what happens. 

513
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,920
Elijah flees from Ahab and 
Jezebel. 

514
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,160
Those are Israelites. 
They're Israelites and he goes 

515
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:36,680
to Zarapath. 
Zarapath is a Gentile town, not 

516
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,400
an Israelite town. 
He goes to a Gentile town inside

517
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:48,040
and where the Bible says a widow
woman sustained him there during

518
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,240
the famine. 
And Jesus uses this very example

519
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:58,240
in the New Testament of Luke 4 
whenever he says there were many

520
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:06,000
widows in Israel during the days
of Elijah, but he was sent to 

521
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,719
none of them. 
He was sent to a Gentile widow. 

522
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,080
God said I didn't send, I didn't
send him to any widows of our 

523
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:29,040
people. 
I sent him to a Gentile widow. 

524
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,639
Why? 
Because sometimes you can be an 

525
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,679
outcast in covenant places with 
covenant people. 

526
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,120
And I say, Amen. 
It's warm up here. 

527
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,120
Help me, Jesus, I want to talk 
to you a little bit about I have

528
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,560
some water over here somewhere. 
I want to talk to you about the 

529
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,280
God that sees me or the God who 
sees me. 

530
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400
This is the first time in 
Scripture, and you can read it 

531
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,840
there in verse #7 but this is 
the first time in Scripture that

532
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,920
the Bible mentions particularly 
the Angel of the Lord that 

533
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,320
disappears. 
In Scripture, this label 

534
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,040
typically identifies A 
theophany, which means God 

535
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,080
manifest in himself in some way.
Nonetheless, whenever we see 

536
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,320
this the first time, it's 
mentioned other times in 

537
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Scripture, but this is the first
time it's mentioned. 

538
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,600
The first time it's mentioned, 
it's not because the Angel of 

539
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,760
the Lord is appearing to Abram. 
It's not because the Angel of 

540
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,400
the Lord is appearing to Sarai. 
The Angel of the Lord is 

541
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,000
appearing to the Egyptian slave 
girl who's running away, 

542
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:45,120
pregnant and alone. 
And that that holds weight for 

543
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,760
me, that the first time we see 
it is with someone that wasn't 

544
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,840
in covenant with God. 
And he didn't find her. 

545
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,760
He didn't find her in the tent. 
He didn't find her there. 

546
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,720
No, he found her in the 
wilderness. 

547
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,760
She's a runaway at this point in
time. 

548
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,320
She's a runaway female slave, 
which for their culture was one 

549
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,280
of the lowest of lows. 
That is number one, to be a 

550
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,360
slave and secondly to be a 
female slave, yet he finds her 

551
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,200
and he didn't he didn't speak to
her through a patriarch. 

552
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,480
He spoke directly to her and 
more more important than 

553
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,320
anything else, he called her by 
name. 

554
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,840
Look at verse 8 again. 
And he said this is the Angel of

555
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,080
the Lord. 
And he said, Haggar Sarah's Mae,

556
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,800
whence Camus thou whether wilt 
thou go? 

557
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,120
And she said, I flee from the 
face of my mistress Sarai. 

558
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,040
What's so important about that? 
Because all the verses prior, 

559
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,440
when you read about Abram or 
Sarai talking about Hagar, it's 

560
00:36:53,440 --> 00:37:01,120
always my maid and thy maid. 
They never call her by name, but

561
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,040
the aims of the Lord shows up in
her life to this extra 

562
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,360
appendage, this non essential. 
And when nobody else recognized 

563
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:13,680
her by name, that's the first 
thing that he came to her with 

564
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,360
was her name. 
He. 

565
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,240
I know you've been called my 
maid. 

566
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,080
I know you've been called the 
handmaiden. 

567
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:20,840
I know you've been called a 
slave. 

568
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,960
I know you've been called extra,
he says. 

569
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,480
But let me call you who you are,
Hagar. 

570
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:30,560
And he calls her by name. 
Though aren't you glad tonight 

571
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,760
that you serve a personal God? 
He didn't call. 

572
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Listen, God could stand up here 
tonight, start calling some of 

573
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,400
us by our mistakes and calling 
us by our past and calling. 

574
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,880
But but he don't. 
He comes and he calls us by our 

575
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,680
name because Haggar, he's 
saying, what are you always 

576
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,360
doing, Haggar? 
You're not limited to what you 

577
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,960
can do. 
You're not limited to what you 

578
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,080
can do in society or such. 
Amen. 

579
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,160
You're not limited by what? 
But the church world maybe even 

580
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200
calls you. 
I'm going to call you by name. 

581
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,960
And so he want her to know. 
I see you. 

582
00:38:05,240 --> 00:38:09,560
I know you for that matter, if 
no one understands you, I 

583
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,720
understand your circumstances. 
And he called her by name. 

584
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,760
That's something very human. 
Us humans. 

585
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,040
Listen, there's not a person in 
this building that doesn't like 

586
00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:20,520
somebody that they met before 
coming up to them again and 

587
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,440
remembering their name. 
That's there's some there's a 

588
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,920
feeling that comes up. 
They they remembered my name. 

589
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,280
Yeah, they remembered my name. 
And so God shows up to this poor

590
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,240
Haggar and he calls her by name.
There's there's just a sight of 

591
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:35,720
humanity that longs for that, 
that he knows your name. 

592
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,240
And this is what Haggar realizes
in the moment. 

593
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,280
It's the reason why she named 
the welder as it does. 

594
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,720
She said, thou God seest me. 
I've been in the court of Sarah 

595
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,560
and Abram and I've stood in a 
room and been unseen. 

596
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,080
But God, you see me. 
I've left and I've from the 

597
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,040
cruelty and the mistreatment of 
of these covenant people. 

598
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,080
But God used to me. 
I'm out here in the middle of a 

599
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,600
wilderness trying to make my way
back to Egypt. 

600
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,040
Nobody might even care if I'm 
God. 

601
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,600
But God, you showed up right 
here in the middle of this 

602
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,640
wilderness and you called me by 
name. 

603
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:21,340
I mean, I've lived my life 
having no control over it, but 

604
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:26,840
you see me. 
I've been mistreated because I 

605
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:32,960
was obedient. 
But you see me, I've run away 

606
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,520
and I'm clinging to a small 
little fountain out here in the 

607
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,680
middle of nowhere and you see 
me. 

608
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,080
And listen, we have no record 
that anybody else is around. 

609
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,840
So this is a very poignant, 
purposeful, narrowed out trip 

610
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:57,760
for Haggar. 
I'm telling you folks, there's 

611
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,160
been times when I've not been 
with anybody not in the church 

612
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,280
setting that God's come down and
made himself known. 

613
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,840
And it's at that point in time. 
It's not because there was good 

614
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,000
service or good music that he 
just passed by, but because I 

615
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:18,240
was important of the God. 
How is important enough to God, 

616
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,320
essential enough to God that he 
said, you know what, there's 

617
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,720
going to have to be anybody else
there. 

618
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,120
Don't have any music, no other 
worshippers or praisers. 

619
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,320
You're important enough. 
I'm going to stop by and just 

620
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:39,200
say Paul, because God sees me 
and God sees each one of you as 

621
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,800
well. 
I got to go on, I got to hurry 

622
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,480
and I said go get through the 
chapter and go get through 

623
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,920
chapter. 
Now I want to talk to you about 

624
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:54,240
this. 
When God names the pain, when 

625
00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:58,800
God names the pain, I'm sharing 
these with you. 

626
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,160
I usually just have these in my 
notes as indicators to me. 

627
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,400
A transition's happening. 
I know where I'm going, but God 

628
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,040
names the pain. 
Verse 10. 

629
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:14,960
So not only does he come to 
visit, and I'd point this out as

630
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,520
we was reading the text, God 
promised to multiply Hadgar's 

631
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:26,920
seed exceedingly. 
You might say, Well, wait for a 

632
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,840
moment. 
Her son's not the son of 

633
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:33,480
promise. 
That's true, He wasn't. 

634
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:41,880
But there are aspects of 
Ishmael's life that flow from a 

635
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:48,480
promised father. 
Abraham was promised that his 

636
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,360
seed would be as the stars of 
the sky, as the sand along the 

637
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
shore. 
That which was in Hagar was 

638
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,280
Abraham's seed. 
Maybe not the promised child, 

639
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,800
but his seed nonetheless right 
back and we'll get to it later 

640
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600
where Abram even has 
conversation with God says, oh 

641
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,160
God, you know, you know, Ishmael
let him. 

642
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,560
He was thinking God, you know, 
Ishmael can be the one that God 

643
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,160
like, no, I make my covenant 
with Isaac. 

644
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,080
He said, but I'll bless Ishmael.
Why? 

645
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Because the seed that's going to
come through Ishmael is still 

646
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,520
seed that came from Abraham. 
Someone say Amen. 

647
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,080
And so we have no record. 
I read the Scriptures, I looked.

648
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,600
We have no record that Hagar had
any other children beside 

649
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:44,440
Ishmael. 
But the Bible tells us in 

650
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,400
Genesis 17 that we'll get to 
that. 

651
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Ishmael had twelve sons. 
It's quite peculiar, honestly, 

652
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,800
because we see later Jacob 
through the promised seed of 

653
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Isaac. 
Through Jacob comes 12 tribes of

654
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,400
Israel. 
Through Ishmael comes twelve 

655
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:10,120
sons, making him also a father 
of a great nation. 

656
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Now the Bible describes and I'm,
I'm, I'm, I don't know, I'm 

657
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,320
feeling like I'm moving slowly, 
but that's OK. 

658
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,240
Some of you all probably are 
too. 

659
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,000
Amen. 
Bible says Ishmael will be a 

660
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,080
wild man. 
Another translation, say a wild 

661
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,080
donkey. 
Either way, what the expression 

662
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,920
is is, is conveying is that 
he'll have a solitary existence 

663
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,480
in the desert away from society.
That's really what it's 

664
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,880
conveying. 
And that there would be friction

665
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,640
between him and others because 
of their different ways of life.

666
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,320
And yes, Brother Ethan, we could
get into the fact right now that

667
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,800
you know, the, the, the, the, 
the Palestinian people and, and 

668
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,480
the Jewish people and stuff. 
That's still a conflict today. 

669
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,600
But I'm not getting into all 
that. 

670
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,720
I've brought that up several 
other times at other places and 

671
00:43:57,720 --> 00:43:58,960
I would not get done this 
evening. 

672
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:05,240
But it appears Ishmael is given 
to Haggar, particularly verse 11

673
00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,720
says, look at it now. 
This is the Angel of the Lord 

674
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:13,000
speaking to her. 
He says you should have a son. 

675
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,600
Thou shalt call his name 
Ishmael, because the Lord hath 

676
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:23,560
heard thy affliction. 
Ishmael's given to Haggar 

677
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:29,080
particularly because God has 
heard her affliction, and 

678
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,000
Ishmael's very name means 
Anybody know what Ishmael means?

679
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:40,840
God hears. 
Now that brings comfort to a 

680
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:47,720
Haggar out in the middle of the 
wilderness, but when she goes 

681
00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:53,280
back home to submit herself to 
Sarai, that can bring comfort to

682
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,920
a sarai too. 
Every time that boy's name would

683
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:06,000
be called, the interpretation of
God hears is being brought up in

684
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,040
the emotions of a Sarai that 
that hasn't had a child yet. 

685
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,920
Someone say Amen. 
So he's going to be born to a 

686
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,160
very complex, a very painful 
situation. 

687
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Ishmael, if I may, becomes a 
living reminder that neither 

688
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:28,760
woman's suffering when unnoticed
by heaven, God hears. 

689
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,440
For the haggard that fled into 
the wilderness under the weight 

690
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:36,600
of the mistreatment of despair. 
Boom, God hears. 

691
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,840
He's heard your affliction. 
Here's Ishmael, sealed the 

692
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,200
moment, sealed eternally, if you
will, in memory. 

693
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,920
But even then, for Sarah, all 
the bareness, all the doubts, 

694
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,640
couldn't find any, any peace, if
you will. 

695
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Even that child born through her
maid, we're going to even be 

696
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,000
proof for her from God that 
guess what, He's not ignoring 

697
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,760
anything. 
God hears God, God listens when 

698
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,680
human understandings, even of 
each other fail. 

699
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,560
Not only that, Ishmael is going 
to be there, that God has been 

700
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:16,720
hearing all alone, even in the 
silence of your struggle. 

701
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:33,560
So yes, God has a promise, Abram
and Sarah. 

702
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,400
Ishmael seems to be born out of 
impatience more so than divine 

703
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:46,320
timing, and although he will not
fulfill the covenant with Abram,

704
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,200
he will never. 
He was never outside of God's 

705
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,480
compassion, presence, and plan. 
What are you saying? 

706
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,800
Because God still said He would 
care for Ishmael. 

707
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400
We give him those descendants. 
We do XY and Z. 

708
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,400
He may have not been the 
fulfillment for the promise, but

709
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:09,000
he also wasn't outside of God's 
presence, compassion, or plan. 

710
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,280
I'm running, I'm running, I 
really AM. 

711
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,720
We're doing all right. 
I know it's not 30 minutes. 

712
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:16,040
I've been doing, you know that 
30 minutes. 

713
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,440
But this is teaching. 
If I preach this, it'd been 30 

714
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,440
minutes. 
I want to talk to you about 

715
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,120
obedience in uncomfortable 
places. 

716
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,520
Obedience in uncomfortable 
places. 

717
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,600
And this is kind of right at the
very end, and I'm kind of going 

718
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,880
back to a verse to talk about an
uncomfortable verse. 

719
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,880
And that's verse #9 when the 
reply to Haggar was that the 

720
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:44,080
Angel of the Lord said unto her,
return to thy mistress and 

721
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:51,400
submit myself under her hands. 
That's a difficult verse because

722
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,160
we know whenever Haggar left, 
she was being mistreated, 

723
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,560
whatever that interprets by by 
Sarai. 

724
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,800
And so we we have we have 
difficulty reconciling that God 

725
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,560
would send Haggar back to 
someone that had been harsh to 

726
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,120
her. 
And I'm just going to read this 

727
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640
to you exactly like I have it 
written down so I don't get it 

728
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,280
wrong. 
Sometimes God calls us to return

729
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:25,040
to difficult places, not because
they are ideal, but because he 

730
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,760
has a plan that one flowed 
through our obedience. 

731
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:37,350
Submission isn't. 
This is so important, folks. 

732
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:39,910
Submission isn't always about 
the person. 

733
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:42,440
Go back and submit yourself to 
Sarah. 

734
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Submission isn't always about 
the person. 

735
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,640
Sometimes it's about the 
purpose. 

736
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:58,460
God wasn't endorsing Sarah's 
harsh treatment, No, but He was 

737
00:48:58,460 --> 00:49:01,220
calling Haggard to return so 
that the child that she was 

738
00:49:01,220 --> 00:49:04,980
carrying in her Ishmael would 
grow up within that framework of

739
00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:09,860
Abraham's household. 
And Haggard's return was really 

740
00:49:09,860 --> 00:49:14,960
a part of a larger plan that she
couldn't even yet see, and that 

741
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,160
was a future for her 
descendants. 

742
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:25,560
And as we'll see, it positions 
her God's visitation in the very

743
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:31,480
near future in Genesis 21 when 
he meets her a second time in 

744
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,560
the wilderness. 
So I'll conclude with this, and 

745
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,840
you can stand with me tonight. 
See, we're doing good. 

746
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,160
So yeah. 
Genesis 16, Sarah's and Abrams, 

747
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,960
impatience, Sarah's Baroness. 
But it's not about all that. 

748
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:58,280
It's also about a God that sees 
sometimes people that's caught 

749
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,160
in the crossfire of human 
failure. 

750
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,880
And when, when people fail to 
see you, God sees you. 

751
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,920
When your identity is stripped 
from you, when you feel like 

752
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,160
that extra appendage, you'd 
rather trout, right? 

753
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:20,320
Like that third ear. 
You know, we got to understand 

754
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:27,080
that God sees and he doesn't 
just see us, though he observes,

755
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,720
he restores to a certain degree.
He gives dignity. 

756
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,720
He gives dignity. 
He names our pain, names our 

757
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,800
pain, gives us promises in the 
wilderness. 

758
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,400
And whenever Hagar went back, 
she didn't go back to the same 

759
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,720
woman that left. 
Do you understand that in that 

760
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:54,240
wilderness she got a promise? 
She left not with anything, but 

761
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:56,280
she got a promise in the 
wilderness that she could take 

762
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:03,960
back in submission and see a 
greater plan carry out if she 

763
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,160
hadn't, if it that she would see
carried out that she may not 

764
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:14,680
have seen if she hadn't. 
So I guess the moral of the 

765
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:19,040
story is folks, we got there's I
don't think it's just so cut and

766
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,920
dry sometimes as we look at this
chapter, so cut and dry. 

767
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,120
There's a lot of there's a lot 
of things going on with these 

768
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,320
two ladies. 
There's a lot of wounds, there's

769
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,240
a lot of misunderstandings. 
There's a lot of like there's a 

770
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:32,480
lot of stuff. 
It's like a man field, a mine 

771
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,760
field. 
We need, you know, we need a 

772
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,280
licensed therapist to kind of 
deduce this whole thing. 

773
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,840
I'm serious. 
There would be some good content

774
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,720
there. 
Amen. 

775
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:50,840
Let's pray tonight and let's 
pray this that we would be a 

776
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:59,280
church that wouldn't cause any 
of the covenant people trying to

777
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:06,400
look for more security beyond 
this place and find it with 

778
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,400
their enemy more than with their
friend. 

779
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:15,120
God, we come to you tonight. 
We need you, O Lord, in this 

780
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,160
place. 
God, I pray, O Lord, you ever 

781
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,160
anoint our hearts, touch our 
lives. 

782
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,520
God, help us, O Lord Jesus, God 
too, Lord, not to be a soul, not

783
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,720
to be a Ahab, not to be Lord, 
the nation of Israel. 

784
00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:35,760
Lord, toward the Jeremiah. 
I pray, O God today, help us, O 

785
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Lord Jesus, today. 
God of all the widows, Lord, 

786
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,720
that their word Israel. 
Lord, you did not send Lord 

787
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:46,160
Elijah to any of them. 
You sent him to a Gentile widow.

788
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,560
A pre old God minister has got 
all the different people with 

789
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,840
their pains and their woundings 
and all the different things of 

790
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,440
life that they contend with it I
might not contend with. 

791
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,280
Help me God not to project God, 
the own pain of what I'm feeling

792
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,360
on them or toward them or vice 
versa. 

793
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,160
God, Lord, we need your help. 
We need a God that sees us and 

794
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,360
each of us individually and that
we would find a place the 

795
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,800
security and they even walk Lord
God right there God as we walk 

796
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:17,560
with you, help us God to share 
this space and also share 

797
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,240
understanding. 
I pray God under this roof, help

798
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,880
us God to be what you want us to
be in the name of Jesus Christ 

799
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,560
that I pray Hallelujah in the 
church say Amen, Amen. 

800
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,720
Ladies night out tomorrow night 
leaving here at 5:15. 

801
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:33,680
All right, if you're.
