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Services and reconnect and 
refresh and so and so forth. 

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Thank all of the ministries of 
Brother Doctor Jerry Mason, Alex

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Mason Bishop, Brother Zach 
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while we were gone and afforded 
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And so we appreciate that, Amen.
But it's good to be back home, 

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Amen. 
Good to be back in the route. 

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I say routine, not hit the 
routine yet. 

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Bishop has put the clinker in 
the routine. 

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All right, so I haven't found 
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Amen. 
We're on Bishop routine right 

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now. 
So but it's good to be back, 

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Amen in Mount Carmel. 
Good to see each one of you, 

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Missy. 
So good to see you. 

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I heard you haven't been 
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op. 
And so we're we're going to like

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tie you down tonight. 
Me and sister McGee after 

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service send you home on a 
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But anyway, glad to have each 
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Amen here. 
I'm going to have doctor makes 

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it come out here and join me 
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Over the past year here we have 
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sessions with hopefully from the
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church or church life or things 
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My wife and I did one about 
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that because she's like a 
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whatever that is. 
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brother Alex Mason. 
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media and that definitely within
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realm, not just what comes from 
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Christian, how we post. 
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cognitive of what we're doing 
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And so tonight we want to do an 
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And before I get into it, I'll 
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you know, background. 
I know you don't have to be 

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prepared for that. 
You don't know your background. 

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Nobody does. 
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background, because we're going 
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and some might just right from 
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don't hold a leadership 
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So that doesn't involve me or 
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I'm that's not me. 
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mindsets that we're hoping maybe
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evening by this talk. 
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me tonight. 
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leadership, but I don't know, I,
I never get all the little 

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particulars just right. 
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embarrassment of botching that 
and him having to come to me 

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after this is done and saying I 
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say what that is tonight before 
we get started again. 

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He'll be able to do some of 
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side. 
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principles of leadership that's 
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community, but can also transfer
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well, though it may have its 
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focus. 
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give a little about himself. 
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there's people in line that 
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And so just just to get us 
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waist deep into this tonight. 
All right, Doctor Mason. 

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Praise the Lord, everybody, 
praise the Lord. 

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So educationally, my doctorate 
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management with an emphasis in 
CEO leadership. 

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See so. 
Already watched it. 

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That's that from an educational 
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done in my career over the last 
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and wraps up inside of that. 
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No, I appreciate that very much.
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that everyone leads. 
Does anybody see themselves as a

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leader in this place tonight? 
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themselves as a leader. 
We have a lot of panic, back and

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forth questions and such tonight
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We may not get through all of 
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I'll try to be conscious of time
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anybody upstairs you don't mind 
to start a time for me. 

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Just so I know where I'm at here
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tonight about leadership. 
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leadership as tied to a formal 
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And so with that in mind, 
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Mason, I asked you this. 
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leadership and they think about 
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serve in. 
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My definition of leadership in 
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leadership is not about a title 
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it as leadership is doing hard 
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so many people shy away from 
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easy. 
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wouldn't still be publishing 
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leadership. 
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seminars we wouldn't be talking 
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It would be a one and done and 
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Leadership is not easy and since
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understanding and defining what 
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difficult if you don't stop, if 
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you. 
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what it is. 
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It's it's not fancy, it's often 
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The definition of everyday life 
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we didn't have to put a label on
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we wish we didn't have that day 
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want today to be different than 
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Doing hard things. 
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Is it though even safe to say 
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we're not necessarily 
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is hard, maybe it's even second 
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possibly still leading in that 
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leaders and I didn't? 
Pan the crowd. 

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see some of you shake your head 
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So that's where we have to start
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If you're breathing, you're 
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something, Hopefully you're 
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can't effectively lead other 
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yourself 1st. 
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problem with society, I don't 
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but one of the problems I think 
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America, because our leadership 
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other countries, is we don't 
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relationships, God relationship.
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be on purpose. 
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you parent on purpose. 
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accident, you go for an 
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yourself there. 
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accident. 
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There's too many people 
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easy to lose 1. 
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So I think if you're breathing, 
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Management is doing things 
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right things. 
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direction than authority. 
With that in mind, in your 

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experience and and maybe 
research that you've done for 

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your doctorate and other things,
what makes someone a leader even

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if they're never been given a 
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That'll help you understand if 
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listening. 
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whether it's a child, 
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doesn't matter. 
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coming to you saying hey, I need
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influence. 
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you've got an opportunity and 
you've got a not necessarily a 

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following, but you have an 
availability, an open door where

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what you say matters. 
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authority is not leadership. 
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confused between job title and 
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authority figures as leaders. 
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leadership. 
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leadership. 
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last three months. 
And one of those trips I had, I 

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had a bit of a an awakening 
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morning, if you can believe 
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So I was with a group of people 
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Different time zone. 
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Downtown Indianapolis at A, at a

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breakfast joint eating there was
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From a organizational 
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ranking person there, but it was
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It wasn't about that. 
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We're done eating. 
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a little bit before we get up. 
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before. 
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very loud and it screamed at me.
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stood up. 
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stood up. 
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I didn't say anything. 
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quietly scoot my chair back and 
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And as soon as I stood up, all 
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stood up immediately. 
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me just a bit. 
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on command. 
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the sidewalk, I realized that's 
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respect because of that rank 
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but I'm trying to define define 
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Authority is not leadership. 
In that moment I really wasn't 

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leading. 
I stood up and because the boss 

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stood up, everybody else knew 
automatically it's time to 

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stand. 
That's authority, plain and 

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simple. 
Let's not confuse authority and 

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rank and what we see with 
leadership, because leadership 

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is not just about the name on 
the marquee and the person 

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holding the microphone and the 
person with the title or the 

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initials behind their name. 
It's simply you looking in the 

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mirror saying I'm going to do 
better today than I did 

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yesterday. 
That's leadership all. 

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Right. 
And I think we could all do 

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better tomorrow than we have 
today, that's for sure. 

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I go into a biblical reference 
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Jesus said in Matthew 514, and 
he was addressing his disciples,

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He said you are the light of the
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world. 
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believing then that their 
influence was unavoidable 

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because light permeates anything
and everything that's around it,

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that influence is unavoidable. 
So we're shining something, 

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whether good or bad, it's 
permeating. 

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So how do you see the biblical 
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the modern leadership principles
of influence? 

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Kind of that comparison, 
contrast or parallel between the

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biblical model and the modern 
day leadership model. 

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So I realized there would be 
people that would debate this 

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and there are people, especially
anti religion people would 

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debate this fiercely. 
But I think they're one in the 

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same Textbooks, case studies, 
Harvard Business Review 

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articles. 
You, you can you can run the 

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gamut on what you pick as your 
reading material. 

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When it comes to leadership, 
many of them quote the Bible. 

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They don't exclude it. 
Now, they may not appreciate it 

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for what it is from our 
standpoint, but they quote it 

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also from a leadership 
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Many even teach corporately 
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religious perspective. 
They teach the the principles of

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leadership that Jesus possessed 
in not possessed. 

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But yeah, I guess portrayed in 
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Change the world. 
That's a case study in 

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leadership. 
So the real question is if we 

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don't see ourselves as leader 
leaders, are we being the light 

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of the world? 
That's good because the two 

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should not be separable. 
I my, my first, really, we'll 

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call it good encounter with what
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leader. 
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2003 and I came home and I told 
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I can remember it vividly. 
If this guy is not baptized in 

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Jesus name and doesn't have the 
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confused. 
Because he demonstrated light 

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through his leadership. 
Through true leadership. 

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He demonstrated what a leader 
was supposed to be, not somebody

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sitting up on a lofty perch 
waiting on everybody to serve 

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him. 
He demonstrated what it was 

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truly like to serve others, to 
care about others, to pour into 

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others, and he opened up 
something to me that I didn't 

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even know truly existed or I 
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Now, as it turns out, it took me
several months to figure this 

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out. 
He did not have the Holy Ghost 

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and he was not baptized in Jesus
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And I make this next statement 
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And I'm not trying to dive 
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caverns here, but he possessed 
something in his leadership that

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it's been very difficult for me 
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and, and I'm not blaming the 
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the church circle, we are guilty
over the years of separating 

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church and leadership. 
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They should coexist together. 
Right through everything you 

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just said, made me think about 
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would think that maybe someone 
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that he was a good leader. 
He's praying, he's giving alms, 

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he's doing these sorts of 
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Though he may have showcased a 
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far as in those things, but 
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everyday influence. 
John Maxwell is famous for 

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saying leadership is influence, 
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If that's true, everyone here is
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influences someone. 
So how does that idea play out 

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in the different spheres, like a
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setting, you know, in those 
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we encounter? 
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on what you do with it in you 
mentioned three things there, 

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family. 
Family, workplace, work, church 

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so. 
Let's let's hit family first. 

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So in family, if you, if you 
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family, then you have to accept 
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happens to it. 
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there's a couple of different 
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There's, there's different 
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There's leaders, there's 
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themselves, but by title, by 
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there's nothing wrong with that.
They're skeptics. 

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And then there's there's anti 
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people. 
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with a victim mentality. 
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allow life to happen to them. 
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you're just leading yourself. 
I've got to be intentional. 

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It may not be perfect, but I'm 
going to make a conscious 

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choice. 
I own this. 

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I'm making a decision to do XYZI
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No one's doing it to me. 
Life isn't happening to me. 

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I am making a choice to own my 
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that. 
So influence what happens with 

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it is, is really depends on what
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If you're accidental, that's 
what you're going to get. 

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And those people almost never 
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because everything is everybody 
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Most leaders, and I'm talking 
good leaders, I'm not talking 

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about Washington, DC. 
Most good leaders, most servant 

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leaders, will almost always 
blame themselves first. 

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It's not necessarily a 
prerequisite to being a leader, 

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but if you study leadership 
deeply, you'll find that most of

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the good ones always stand and 
say, what could have I done 

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differently? 
Not this is my fault. 

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Not not that it's their fault. 
It's what could I do? 

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One of my biggest pet peeves on 
the job and we've worked hard 

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over the last four years to kind
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And I'll let you interpret what 
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But is leaders by title, who 
every time something happens 

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wrong says, well, as the team 
members fault, we'll retrain 

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them. 
They messed up. 

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Our approach is if they messed 
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equip them to do it right. 
So how it plays out, it's up to 

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you. 
It's it's approach, it's it's 

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activity. 
It's what am I doing with the 

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influence I have. 
And it really has to start with 

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you recognizing you have 
influence. 

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Studies show that people make an
average of 35,000 decisions per 

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day. 
For those indecisive ones, I 

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apologize. 
I feel sorry for you. 

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But each one impacts someone 
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So what are some ways people 
unknowingly lead either 

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positively or negatively in 
their daily lives? 

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Unknowingly. 
Lead Well, that's that's good. 

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That's deep. 
I, I think, I think it's easiest

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unfortunately to maybe to focus 
on some negative examples first.

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How do we unknowingly lead our 
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So a couple of mornings ago, 
I'll tell them myself. 

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So a couple, I LED somebody the 
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morning, I'm at the corner of 
4th and Mulberry at a stop sign 

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and going down Mulberry way. 
There is no stop sign there. 

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So there's a car coming. 
I'm, I'm headed out of town to 

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work and everybody who knows me 
deeply or or closely knows by 

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nature I'm I'm not a morning 
person, so. 

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Can we silence all comments on 
Facebook at this time? 

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Yeah, OK. 
I the the drive to work is 

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beneficial for me since I'm not 
a morning person. 

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So I'm, I'm sitting there 
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get my drive going and there's 
a, a pickup truck coming from my

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left and he's, he's going slower
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I could have got out and and 
walked faster than he was going,

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but I'm at the stop sign and I'm
sitting there thinking, are you 

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serious right now? 
Come on, come on, come on. 

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And then, man or woman, I don't 
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It was dark, but whomever it 
was, when the pickup truck got 

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right in front of me at the pace
of the street sweeper, I look 

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up. 
I thought, you dog, you're 

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driving so slow because you're 
reading your mail or you're 

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checking Facebook. 
So what did 5:30 in the morning,

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Jerry Mason do? 
I laid on the horn. 

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I laid on the horn and I started
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Now he didn't hear me. 
I kept my window up and I'm like

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come. 
On. 

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Then by the time I got to the 
stop sign at the top of the 

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hill, I felt shame. 
It was like, you're better than 

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this, You're better than this. 
They may not have heard you. 

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They may not have even heard the
horn. 

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I don't know. 
But you're better than this. 

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So negative examples, they 
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They happen quickly. 
Unfortunately, they happen 

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easily. 
But when we don't get out of our

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own bubble and we don't stop. 
I talked about this Sunday 

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morning and we don't take a 
pause before we speak and we 

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don't think about what we're 
going to say. 

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Most often that abuse is to the 
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But that doesn't make it right. 
Just because they just because 

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they love us doesn't mean we 
have the right to talk to them 

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that way. 
So our attitude surfaces, our 

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leadership suffers, and we 
influence them in some way based

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on that negative attitude. 
So you think it's maybe safe to 

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say? 
Cuz in my personal opinion, I 

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think that can go two ways, Like
those that are near to us, we 

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can unknowingly lead or 
consciously lead just because 

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they're close. 
We think we have a relational, 

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you know, equity with them. 
So we can get by with poor, poor

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leadership in that mode. 
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sometimes around people we don't
know or around people we don't 

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know. 
And we said we didn't do that 

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because I'll never see them 
again anyway. 

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And so I can just, you know, it 
don't matter because they don't 

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know me. 
I don't know them. 

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So a moment of just me, raw, 
without self-awareness, nothing 

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lost. 
That's really the key, 

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self-awareness. 
We'll never know any of it 

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without self-awareness because a
lot of people in life will not 

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come to you and tell you, you 
hurt my feelings the other day. 

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That's true. 
That's. 

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True, a lot of people will not 
come to you and say you 

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impressed me the other day. 
We don't do that. 

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Either either or Yeah. 
It just goes unsaid and then we 

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move through life not knowing 
any difference. 

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So without self-awareness, we 
think everything's OK. 

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self-awareness needs to teach us
when we're right and when we're 

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wrong. 
That's a that's a tough journey 

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of acceptance. 
Another scripture want to refer 

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to tonight is Proverbs 11 and 
verse #3 says the integrity of 

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the upright shall guide them. 
Character is the compass of 

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leadership. 
How does personal character 

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shape leadership more than skill
or position? 

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So I don't think personal 
character should ever be 

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separated from leadership. 
And the reason why we have 

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people leading in ways that 
don't define what we call good 

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leadership is because they 
separate character from 

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leadership. 
Character should absolutely 

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define your leadership because 
your leadership is made-up of 

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who you are. 
Good character or bad character,

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it's going to, it's going to 
show through your leadership and

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not to get I'm, I'm trying to 
stay apolitical here because not

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every bad leader is a 
politician, but we often, we 

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often look at bad examples as 
politicians. 

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And one of the reasons for that 
is because they're elected 

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positions. 
There are a lot of, and I'm 

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generalizing here, right, 
throwing everybody into one 

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bucket, which is somewhat 
unfair. 

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But a lot of those elected 
offices, they're running for a 

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paycheck or they're running for 
an office, they're running for a

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certain class of job. 
They're not running for heart, 

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they're not running for passion,
they're not running for calling.

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So it's not about character for 
them, it's about office. 

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So we have to be very careful 
not to separate character from 

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leadership, because when that 
happens is when I think we have 

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ethical, moral failures. 
Let's talk a little bit about 

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now leadership in the church 
because again, our context is, 

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is hopefully the church and some
of the things that even been 

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mentioned thus far have church 
application in Scripture. 

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Many of the most influential 
people had no official title. 

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For instance, the boy with the 
five loaves and the two fishes, 

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we never even know his name. 
No title. 

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We have the servant girl who 
told name and where to find 

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healing or who to go to. 
Again, just a certain servant 

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girl. 
There was also then the widow 

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with her two mites. 
Nameless yet no doubt showcased 

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leadership in her actions. 
So who stands out to you 

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personally as a great leader 
without an official title? 

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And if you're going to go in the
world, I didn't, you know, this 

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is not in anything that we 
rehearse because you probably 

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have a great one in mind. 
But then if you can quickly 

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switch from that, if it's not a 
biblical one, try to switch for 

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me a biblical one that is also a
great leader. 

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Maybe that title. 
Is perhaps I've really struggled

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with this question I'm. 
Glad I could make it more 

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difficult. 
So there are plenty of examples 

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in the world of great leaders 
without titles. 

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Those that have impacted me 
personally, very difficult for 

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me to come up with one that just
purely just did not have any 

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type of title whatsoever. 
The closest I think I can get is

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some of the most influential 
people to me may not, may have 

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never been on a grand stage. 
Right. 

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Sure. 
The world doesn't know their 

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name. 
Right. 

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The evangelist that preached a 
Sunday night service on August 

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the 9th, 1996, Nineteen 86. 
Excuse me, the night that I 

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didn't pay attention to one word
that was said during the 

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message. 
But when he started giving an 

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altar call service and the Holy 
Ghost fell, a 11 year old 

457
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,840
drummer from the back row made 
his way to the altar to pray and

458
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,360
God filled him with the Holy 
Ghost. 

459
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,120
The world does not know that 
man's name. 

460
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,360
Matter of fact, a lot of the 
modern church world doesn't even

461
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,520
know his name. 
But it was one of the most 

462
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:14,840
defining moments in my life. 
It's the best of God. 

463
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,840
So that's good. 
I didn't know really where he 

464
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,000
was going to go with it. 
So now that's great because that

465
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,320
kind of keeps us in the church, 
in the church realm for sure. 

466
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,760
Ephesians 416 says that the 
whole body is fitly joined 

467
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,920
together according to the 
effectual working in every part.

468
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,480
That means every believer has a 
leadership role to play in the 

469
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,120
body. 
How can church members embrace 

470
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,160
leadership in their own circles?
Whether his parents, friends, 

471
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,920
coworkers, how, how can they, 
how can they possess and and 

472
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,840
embrace that leadership aspect, 
even church aspect, you know 

473
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,400
all. 
So how can church members 

474
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,600
embrace their leadership in 
their circles? 

475
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,600
Protect each other? 
The Bible talks in the book of 

476
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,080
Jude about some pulling them out
of the fire, and that may be an 

477
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:17,680
extreme example, but we need to 
stop allowing to we need to stop

478
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,760
watching our friends walk away 
from God. 

479
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,280
We want to talk about leadership
in a church aspect. 

480
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,520
You have a voice in the person 
sitting next to you or you 

481
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,720
should we. 
We need to stop, allow. 

482
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,360
We need to stop leaving 
everybody's spiritual success up

483
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:44,520
to the pulpit. 
We should be our brother's 

484
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,960
keeper. 
Now, I this, there's a whole 

485
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,040
other sub element to this of 
right way, right approach that 

486
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,440
has to be considered. 
You can't just go up to somebody

487
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,360
and say you're going to hell. 
You need to stop it. 

488
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Yeah. 
Please don't do. 

489
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,440
That. 
But when you know someone, when 

490
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,360
this man operates in the spirit,
that's one thing. 

491
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,400
But in the moments when that 
supernatural prophetic word 

492
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,840
doesn't happen and you've got a 
friend that you know is toying 

493
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,840
with things of the world, you 
need to get them to breakfast 

494
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,160
and get in their ear and start 
carrying on them. 

495
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Not condemning them, but you 
need to start loving on them. 

496
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,600
I think we position ourselves 
for avoidance too quickly 

497
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,520
because it feels awkward and we 
don't know what to do. 

498
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,480
All we need to do is love each 
other. 

499
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Love is leadership and the 
absence of love is negative 

500
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,360
leadership. 
It's us choosing to walk away 

501
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:51,760
when Jesus said He never would. 
Absolutely. 

502
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:57,000
And that whole aspect of 
appreciation, everybody likes to

503
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,600
be appreciated. 
It doesn't matter who you are or

504
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,560
what you serve in. 
And sometimes a small word of 

505
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:08,080
appreciation peer-to-peer, 
however that dynamic may be, 

506
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,200
you're breathing life into 
someone. 

507
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,120
And I think I think that's being
a good leader given that 

508
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,400
appreciation at every level. 
And some, you know, visit John 

509
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,120
Maxwell that says you need to 
see a 10 above everybody's head.

510
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,640
Isn't that correct? 
And sometimes it's may be hard 

511
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,120
to find certain people are more 
of a Rubik's Cube. 

512
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,280
Sometimes it's hard to find that
aspect. 

513
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,000
But if you look, you'll you'll, 
you'll find what you're looking 

514
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,840
for. 
You look for something negative 

515
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:36,960
to somebody, you're going to 
find it. 

516
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,400
You look for something positive 
in someone as hoard as it could 

517
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,760
possibly maybe be, you're going 
to find it because you'll find 

518
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,920
what you're looking for. 
And so I think that that comes 

519
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,960
to bear on that as well. 
Paul, the apostle Paul, that is,

520
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,520
often use the body metaphor, 
showing that no part is less 

521
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,360
valuable than another. 
We've done teachings and things 

522
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,240
on this before. 
And so leadership in the church,

523
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,160
as whether Doctor Mason has 
already said, isn't, isn't about

524
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,440
a pulpit, it's about 
participation. 

525
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080
So how does leadership function 
in the body of Christ where 

526
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,920
every part, even the Scripture 
underscores every part, is 

527
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:26,800
necessary? 
When every part isn't 

528
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,560
functioning, things are getting 
missed. 

529
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:39,040
We talk about 5 fold ministry 
and there's, I've often heard 

530
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,760
Bishop and I've heard pastor 
talk about it, how we need all 

531
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,360
five in the church, we need all 
five in the local assembly. 

532
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,200
And when you don't have that, 
you have a gap. 

533
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Something is missing. 
It's the same thing with your 

534
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,440
leadership. 
When you aren't leading, that 

535
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,200
means something's not getting 
done that only you can do. 

536
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Because we've allowed our enemy 
to trick us into thinking that 

537
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:12,600
our lot in life is to sit on a 
seat, clap our hands during 

538
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,639
worship, and that's it. 
Well, I don't know what I'm 

539
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:19,159
supposed to do. 
That's fine. 

540
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,800
Pursuit happens. 
The journey of discovery needs 

541
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,199
to happen. 
But if you're not on a journey 

542
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,920
of discovery for what God's will
is for your life for you to do, 

543
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:38,520
then you're missing opportunity.
Because every single person. 

544
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,520
You don't have to teach a Sunday
school class. 

545
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,520
You don't have to run a media 
booth. 

546
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,440
You don't have to vacuum a 
floor. 

547
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:54,320
There's something for you to do.
So I, I think I, my answer is 

548
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,520
how does that operate? 
It operates at its fullest when 

549
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:03,440
everybody finds their place and 
the accident that has happened 

550
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,960
over the years or the mistake 
that's happened over the years 

551
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,840
is we, we, we want to focus on 
only the things we see. 

552
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,480
I've known too many people that 
wanted to focus on singing a 

553
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,880
special song. 
Singing was not their gifting. 

554
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,920
Just an example. 
Find your gifting. 

555
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
If music's not your gifting, 
find your gifting. 

556
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,880
There is a whole lot and I'm not
trying to be anti what we do 

557
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,480
because I love what we do, but 
there is so much more to leading

558
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,760
in church than pulpit ministry, 
music ministry, Sunday school 

559
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,600
rooms, all of the popular things
that we see. 

560
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,840
There's so much more that is the
culmination of a whole lot of 

561
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:00,200
other stuff and it all works in 
tandem together so much better 

562
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,840
when more people are involved 
and more people are doing their 

563
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:08,040
gifting. 
Because then Once Upon a time, 

564
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,040
some of you know this, Once Upon
a time Bishop, when he was 

565
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:18,120
pastor, he was pastor, he was 
yard mower, baptistry operator, 

566
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,920
carpet cleaner, dust mop 
sprayer, sound man. 

567
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,560
If you as a pastor back in the 
80s and 90s and maybe early 

568
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,120
2000s and you didn't know how to
do everything, you was lost. 

569
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,680
So we're a lot more blessed 
today than we used to be, but I 

570
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,080
still am afraid that we're 
missing about 80%. 

571
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
God's will is not for us to just
be participants. 

572
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:53,160
He wants us to be active leaders
in whatever the gifting He has 

573
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,840
given you to be. 
And then our, our 

574
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,840
responsibility, of course is 
underscoring the value of 

575
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,320
everyone. 
I will not get the saying right,

576
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,280
but the, the, the gist of it is 
there. 

577
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,800
It's a little saying that says 
for one of a nail, Speaking of a

578
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,320
nail that goes into a horseshoe,
one of a nail, the horseshoe is 

579
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320
lost. 
One of the horseshoe, the horse 

580
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,280
basically lay in the, the 
trotting was injured and one of 

581
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,120
the horse then the carriage it 
was pulling wrecked and one of 

582
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,400
the carriage, the people that 
were riding in it lives perished

583
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,520
all for the want of a nail. 
And so it kind of underscores 

584
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,600
the value of there's a 
succession of domino effect just

585
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,320
because of the loss of a nail. 
And so the value then of that is

586
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,720
you can't, it's priceless. 
And I think that same mentality 

587
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,640
then for everybody that operates
within the organization of the 

588
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,600
church at whatever level, the 
value is just beyond putting a 

589
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,400
figure on because it's needful 
and, and, and it's necessary. 

590
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
I want to talk a little bit 
about growth and responsibility 

591
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,440
here. 
You mentioned Harvard, Harvard 

592
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,960
Business Review. 
So here we go. 

593
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,440
Let's quote them. 
Harvard Business Review notes 

594
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,360
that 70% of a leader's 
development happens on the job, 

595
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,040
not in formal training. 
Growth is about daily habits. 

596
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:21,200
What practical steps can someone
take to grow as a leader, even 

597
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,240
if they don't see themselves as 
one? 

598
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,400
Take a very practical 
perspective. 

599
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,280
Find leaders in your life. 
People that you would determine 

600
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,880
would be leaders. 
Watch them to study them. 

601
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,320
I used to try to emulate people 
because they they possessed 

602
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,720
certain behaviors that I wanted 
to be the type of person that 

603
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,640
possessed that behavior. 
So I studied that person. 

604
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,800
How? 
How can I adapt that read? 

605
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,040
I know that sounds like dirty 
words to some people because 

606
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,400
some people like to brag that 
they don't read, but everybody 

607
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:09,280
in this room reads. 
You may not read books, you may 

608
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,600
not read novels, but everybody 
in this room reads. 

609
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,680
If you don't read delete 
Facebook off your phone. 

610
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:24,480
Do that 300 foot death scroll. 
You're reading people that read 

611
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,240
the newspaper but don't like to 
read books. 

612
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,400
That's fine. 
But you're reading. 

613
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,640
So find you some materials that 
fit you sure that help educate 

614
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:40,040
you. 
So the majority of my Instagram 

615
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:49,440
scroll is stuff I can learn from
and it's usually quick 15 second

616
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,120
reads. 
If I don't have time to sit down

617
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,560
and read a few chapters in a 
book. 

618
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,640
I've, I've got things, I've got 
a following that I follow that 

619
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,080
I, I check out to see, OK, what,
what can I pour into my mind? 

620
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,160
So you have to. 
Take practical steps to develop.

621
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:12,120
You don't have to have school. 
I appreciate my journey, but my 

622
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,400
journey is not for everybody. 
And people that don't follow my 

623
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,560
journey, that does not make them
bad leaders because some of the 

624
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,480
best leaders that I've had in my
life do not have the educational

625
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,960
background that I have. 
And that by no means makes me 

626
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,720
better than them. 
And that kind of goes on the 

627
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:33,440
Harvard thing on the job, not 
necessarily formal training 

628
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,480
experience. 
He's a great teacher. 

629
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,040
I would start with practical 
things. 

630
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,040
If you have an appetite for 
wanting to develop, find an Ave.

631
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,080
to be developed. 
Amen. 

632
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,040
I was thinking of another 
illustration a little bit while 

633
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,960
he's talking that we could the 
value thing. 

634
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,720
OK, since it's the holidays, 
will you indulge me for a 

635
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:56,040
moment? 
The Grinch goes down to the big 

636
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,360
Christmas tree that's not lit 
up. 

637
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,160
He finds the one light bulb 
twist. 

638
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:06,720
Oh yeah, I'm just saying, I know
it's ridiculous, right? 

639
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:09,760
And I'm probably being silly, 
but it was just one light bulb 

640
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,320
that it's that we kept the 
circuit incomplete whenever it 

641
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,120
wasn't engaged. 
And so anyway, nonetheless 

642
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,800
another one Paul told Timothy, 
be thou an example of believers 

643
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,040
in first Timothy 412. 
That's leadership at its 

644
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,000
simplest, right? 
Be an example of the believers 

645
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,920
realizing someone is always 
watching your example. 

646
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,680
But how should Christians handle
the responsibility that comes 

647
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,680
with the fact that people are 
always watching their example? 

648
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,720
So that's heavy. 
You have to 1st accept the fact 

649
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,680
that people are watching. 
And if you, if you refute that 

650
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,120
fact or try to fight against it,
it's going to be a hard life. 

651
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,720
But here's the thing, whether 
they're watching your Christian 

652
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,480
walk or watching something else,
there's always somebody watching

653
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,680
something that are watching you.
So we might as well give them a 

654
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:07,120
good show. 
We might as well give them the 

655
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,120
right things to watch. 
How? 

656
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,920
How can we approach it? 
1 Accept it to own it. 

657
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,120
But I think maybe the most 
important thing we need to 

658
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,320
recognize, and this applies to 
both just Christian walk and 

659
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,240
leadership, is we need to 
understand that leaders are not 

660
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:28,080
perfect. 
And the same amount of grace 

661
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:34,000
that we want for ourselves, we 
need to apply to others, even 

662
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,920
those in leadership positions. 
Because the person that's in a 

663
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,320
leadership position or in a 
leadership posture in your life 

664
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,320
is likely going to make you mad,
disappoint you, or hurt your 

665
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,040
feelings faster than anybody 
else because you're looking to 

666
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,680
them for guidance and you're 
hanging your hat and your hopes 

667
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,720
on them. 
Help me, lead me, guide me. 

668
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,080
And they're human. 
So we, we have, if we're going 

669
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:11,520
to do this together and do it in
harmony, we have to allow each 

670
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640
other the grace of knowing that 
leaders are not perfect. 

671
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,040
They're going to make mistakes. 
Right, Yeah, they are. 

672
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,480
And and I know sometimes the 
statement is what about is human

673
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,360
right? 
And that's true. 

674
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,960
And it's we got to be careful 
though, with that statement 

675
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,280
because it can become in the 
catch all excuse there anything 

676
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,520
we want to justify in our lives,
right? 

677
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,320
And so we got to be careful with
that. 

678
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,600
At the same time, just because a
person's leader, they don't need

679
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,560
to be look at this perfection 
level status where nothing will 

680
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,160
error, nothing will go wrong as 
well. 

681
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,640
By no means because the. 
Key The key to whether or not 

682
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,200
you continue to follow them 
after their mistake or not is 

683
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,560
how they respond to their 
mistake. 

684
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,400
Sure, sure. 
It's less about the mistake and 

685
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,840
more about the response, the 
repentance, the the change. 

686
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,520
Sure, so giving each other 
latitude goes a long way in that

687
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,760
respect. 
We often think leaders have to 

688
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:15,080
be on the top rung, but history 
shows many game changers were in

689
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,720
the middle. 
For one biblically, think of 

690
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,120
Daniel, who was taken from his 
country to a foreign land 

691
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:28,560
serving under Pagan kings, yet 
in that position, he's shaping 

692
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:33,000
that entire Kingdom. 
Can you share a moment where you

693
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,640
saw someone perhaps lead 
powerfully from the middle of an

694
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,800
organization, church, whatever 
it may be, rather than the top 

695
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,800
kind of that 360° leader type of
thing? 

696
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,240
So there there is an example 
that stands out in my mind. 

697
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:51,920
I I hope it hits what you're 
looking for. 

698
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:57,880
If not, tell me, OK, it's an 
example that I, I, I really like

699
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,280
and I appreciate it's, it's one 
of my staff members. 

700
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,520
We were traveling together. 
We were in a series of meetings 

701
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,480
to give you a little bit of 
context. 

702
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520
Yet you have to understand 
something in, in my line of 

703
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,760
work, especially in a Japanese 
companies are managed 

704
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,440
differently than American 
companies. 

705
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,880
And so the, the management 
expectations is even just a 

706
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,760
little different. 
There's a nuance to it that's a 

707
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:26,560
bit different, which ultimately 
just means as a top leader, I am

708
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:32,280
expected to know a whole lot 
because when when my boss has 

709
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,520
asked me a question, they expect
me to know the answer or to be 

710
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:39,160
able to at least provide 
guidance to get the answer. 

711
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,960
So it's not like some typical 
American companies where the top

712
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,880
guy doesn't know anything and 
the, the, the lower people are 

713
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,640
doing everything. 
Everything's kind of integrated 

714
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,040
that provides a lot of pressure.
So I was in AI was in a meeting 

715
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,240
one time and I, I had one of my 
managers with me and then one of

716
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,160
his specialist and the room drew
their attention. 

717
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,880
The guy that was speaking drew 
his attention to me as the, the,

718
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,880
the top guy representing our 
company in that meeting. 

719
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,520
And he was asking a question. 
And I'm going to be honest with 

720
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,040
you, it was a question that I 
really didn't know the answer 

721
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,000
to. 
And but I was getting ready to 

722
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,720
talk because that comes with the
job. 

723
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,920
You have to. 
You just have to dive in. 

724
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,360
So I was getting ready to talk. 
And the specialist guy, who had 

725
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,920
been in his role less than a 
year, just jumps in. 

726
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,080
He says, well, if you don't 
mind, I'll answer that one. 

727
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:47,960
And I'm like, so when he got 
done, I was like, yeah, what? 

728
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:55,200
He said no, but it what it what 
it did for me is it it showed me

729
00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:00,120
he wasn't afraid to speak. 
So I was very happy and proud 

730
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,040
about that. 
But it was an example of pure 

731
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,440
leadership because he could have
just very easily went by rank 

732
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,680
and said they're not talking to 
me. 

733
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,920
I'm not talking. 
But he knew the answer because 

734
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,800
it was actually his job field. 
He knew the answer. 

735
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,240
He knew what needed to be said. 
He knew how he needed to best 

736
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:21,400
represent our company in that 
moment. 

737
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,880
So he jumped in to support. 
And it wasn't a Jerry didn't 

738
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,800
know what to say. 
So I'll do this for him. 

739
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,840
It was him genuinely when the 
right heart, right mind jumping 

740
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,480
in because in his mind it was 
his job. 

741
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,720
So he jumped in to answer the 
question, answer the concerns, 

742
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:44,840
whatever it was at the moment. 
So that's one another is a bit 

743
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,120
maybe, maybe more generically. 
And and I see this happen at 

744
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,880
work too, And I think when it 
can happen, right, it's a 

745
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,400
healthy environment. 
But there's there's a phrase 

746
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:57,880
that's been around for years 
calling speak truth to power. 

747
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:06,160
And there are people, there are 
people that just want to pardon 

748
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,480
my my way of saying stick it to 
the man, right? 

749
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,040
That's their mentality. 
They whatever they can do 

750
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,680
against the company or against 
the boss, that's what they want 

751
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,160
to do because they want to show 
them up. 

752
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,080
That's the wrong mentality. 
But there are people who have 

753
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,200
the leadership in them that when
they know something's not right,

754
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,120
they'll say it. 
Even when they're saying it to a

755
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,240
position of power, they say it 
with respect and they say it in 

756
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:39,560
the right way. 
That's leading from the middle 

757
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,680
ground. 
I was thinking too, while you 

758
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,800
were speaking as I was thinking 
of Jesus, because in his earthly

759
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,440
ministry, I believe that he was 
attempting to foster that middle

760
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,080
leadership even from his 
disciples and people that was 

761
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680
around him of times He posed a 
question, not because he didn't 

762
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,600
know the answer, but he was 
inviting them into a place to 

763
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,640
take their stand, their voice, 
the concept and, and and go with

764
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,800
it because of course Jesus knew 
and he had told them, you know, 

765
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,280
I'm going to be going away. 
And so you're going to be 

766
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,360
serving in this capacity in row 
and I I see him fostering that 

767
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,160
even before it was absolutely 
needed in the moment because 

768
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,440
because he he seemed that that 
that middle leadership was was 

769
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,480
important just a little bit and 
I just a few more questions 

770
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,240
because I see our time already 
correcting misconceptions. 

771
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,640
I'm going to use the scripture 
here. 

772
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Mark 1043. 
The Bible says some people 

773
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,840
avoid. 
That's not what the Bible says. 

774
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,760
This is kind of a lead in some 
people avoid the world leader 

775
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,640
because the word leader because 
they picture a boss, not a 

776
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,040
servant. 
Jesus flipped the definition. 

777
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,040
Mark 1043. 
Whoever wants to be great among 

778
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,840
you must be your servant. 
How would you refrain the 

779
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:02,680
mindset of people who resist 
being called a leader? 

780
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,040
What else would you rather be 
called? 

781
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,800
Goes back to the beginning of 
the discussion. 

782
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,560
If you're not leading, are you 
light? 

783
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:24,080
So I don't know what we want to 
be called if we don't want to 

784
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:29,760
accept what God, God called us 
to be, because God's calling for

785
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:34,520
us to lead ourselves is a 
personal calling, but it's a 

786
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:43,200
requirement for every one of us.
Pastor often says God's a 

787
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:49,520
gentleman, and I believe we've 
all grown to appreciate that 

788
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,840
statement. 
But even though God's a 

789
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,000
gentleman, he still has 
expectations of us. 

790
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,880
He's not going to force himself 
on you. 

791
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,760
But because he's a gentleman, I 
also don't believe he's going to

792
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,800
do for you what you can do for 
yourself. 

793
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:20,680
So that answer your. 
Question somewhat because Jesus 

794
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,600
course leader, they're saying 
boss in some people's minds. 

795
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,680
Jesus leader says servant and so
it's kind of a dynamic of how 

796
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,160
you view leadership, right, 
whether it's a top or if it's a 

797
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,920
serving. 
It's kind of a contrasting of 

798
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,160
pictures. 
If you say in the mind that 

799
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,720
Jesus very supportive of servant
leadership. 

800
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,320
You know if you can accept the 
word leader if it goes along 

801
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:49,920
with the idea of servanthood 
more than leader, as in I guess 

802
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,160
the misconception of just 
authority and power. 

803
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:59,360
So a Barna found Barna study 
found that only 14% of 

804
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Christians strongly agree that 
they are leaders. 

805
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,160
The mindset leaves most of the 
church underestimating their 

806
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,800
influence. 
What dangers arise when people 

807
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,800
assume leadership is only for a 
few instead of a shared 

808
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,760
responsibility? 
So I think it's very dangerous 

809
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:24,680
and I think the dangers are the 
wrong things happen or the right

810
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,680
things don't happen. 
So I, I, I worry that we've 

811
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:39,720
disconnected or that we've, 
we've not valued leadership the 

812
00:52:39,720 --> 00:52:44,280
right way and we've used 
spirituality as an excuse. 

813
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,320
Let me explain and I'll be quick
because I know we're running 

814
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,600
close on time. 
But when King Saul got into the 

815
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,480
company of profits, the Bible 
says he prophesied because he 

816
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,200
got into a worship atmosphere. 
He didn't prophecy because he 

817
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,320
was a prophet. 
He prophesied because he was in 

818
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:06,400
the presence of God in the book 
of Acts. 

819
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,320
When they received the Holy 
Ghost, the Bible says they 

820
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,120
turned around and they began to 
lay hands on people and 

821
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,960
prophecy. 
It wasn't because they were 

822
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,280
leaders yet, because we've got a
whole lot of books of epistles 

823
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:23,440
after that that lead us into the
gifts of the Spirit on how to 

824
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,760
mature as Christians. 
My point is there's a whole lot 

825
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,240
of things that happen 
spiritually and I'm afraid in 

826
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:33,760
the church we've looked at we've
we've looked at people as 

827
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:40,080
spiritual leaders, as being 
leaders, and there's a 

828
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,400
difference. 
Spiritual leadership does not 

829
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:51,690
equip you for leadership. 
We fail if we don't equip people

830
00:53:51,690 --> 00:53:54,330
for leadership just because they
have a spiritual title. 

831
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:06,720
So we have to somehow have a 
recognition that in the church 

832
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,760
we need both giftings. 
I'm not knocking the spiritual 

833
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,240
at all. 
We need the spirituality, we 

834
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:18,400
need the prophecy, we need the 
worship. 

835
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:24,040
We need God's gifting 
spiritually, but a person when I

836
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,760
when I when we were growing up, 
there was no such thing as 

837
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:34,400
training for the pulpit. 
There, there, there wasn't. 

838
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,880
This is how you put a sermon 
together. 

839
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,640
This is how you teach. 
This is what there was nothing 

840
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:44,240
but get up and do it and hope 
for the best. 

841
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,880
On the job training. 
On the job training, there was 

842
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:55,280
no equipping, so being called of
God to preach and stand behind a

843
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,240
pulpit did not equip me to be a 
leader. 

844
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,880
That's why we have people behind
behind sacred desks abusing 

845
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:09,280
leadership because they usurp 
authority spiritually and it's a

846
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,520
dangerous place to walk. 
It's two separate giftings, 

847
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,680
spiritual giftings in the 
church, and we need leadership 

848
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,760
giftings in the church, and that
starts with you and me. 

849
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,280
It doesn't start with titles, it
doesn't start with positions. 

850
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,680
It starts with each one of us 
leading ourselves the best way 

851
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,280
that we know how. 1% better 
every day. 

852
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,360
And when we mess up, we try 
harder the next day. 

853
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
It's no more complicated than 
that. 

854
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,800
It's trying, it's effort, and 
it's recognizing God called you 

855
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,560
to lead. 
Absolutely. 

856
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,440
We'll go close here real soon. 
I just want to go back to the 

857
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,640
previous question because I 
still feel like I haven't quite 

858
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:49,560
given that justice yet. 
What came to mind is I think 

859
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,600
this whole episode of servant 
leadership and seeing the top is

860
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:59,200
this untouchable thing and Jesus
does the most perfect thing in 

861
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,400
John 13. 
John 13 is where the Last 

862
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:10,560
Supper, the disciples are there 
whom have seen this Jesus speak 

863
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,360
a word and bring life back into 
a body. 

864
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,400
Heal the sick, blind eyes open 
the the multitudes being fed and

865
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:25,600
they're like this guy. 
Oh, and the same person walks 

866
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,040
into the room with these people 
and they all have and they 

867
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,480
typically wore like sandal type 
shoes that day. 

868
00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:35,000
That the ground in the area is 
dirt and dusty and people have 

869
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,000
their herds that they do and 
there's manure in the streets. 

870
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,720
They pick that up on their feet.
And it was typical then when you

871
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:43,080
come into a house like that, 
there's going to be some feet 

872
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,080
that's going to be washed. 
And usually the waters provided 

873
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,280
for the lowest of servants to 
come to wash the feet. 

874
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:55,400
And Jesus begins to take off his
robe, which any robe in that day

875
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,600
identified the person who they 
were. 

876
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,200
He shedded that identity, the 
robe that he wore when he healed

877
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,080
the sick, the robe that he wore 
whenever he brought someone that

878
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,440
was dead back to life. 
He took off his identity, girded

879
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,960
himself with a towel, bit down 
in front of each of those 

880
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,480
disciples and assumed that 
position begin to wash their 

881
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,720
feet. 
He turned the whole idea of 

882
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,680
leadership upside down for that 
moment. 

883
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,880
This all untouchable came down 
to begin to touch one of the 

884
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,880
most, you know, probably awkward
things to touch of a person's 

885
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,600
another person's body, their 
feet. 

886
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,440
So about eight years or so ago, 
I was in a corporate training 

887
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:44,720
seminar taught by a former Navy 
SEAL who used John, 13, as the 

888
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,720
basis of his corporate teaching,
in a room full of vice 

889
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,560
presidents and directors. 
And he closed his entire day's 

890
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,440
session with mapping out the 
foot. 

891
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,880
I've got a drawing of it at home
somewhere, and I can't rehearse 

892
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,000
it from memory right now, But 
each toe had a meaning. 

893
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,440
And he closed by saying, think 
of your family, think of your 

894
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,440
relationships, think of your 
team. 

895
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:12,560
Whose feet are you going to wash
and why it's that important? 

896
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,560
Yeah, I think it's somewhere in 
the middle is the heart that 

897
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,840
although the enemy was already 
working on Judas, maybe if I can

898
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:25,360
just touch that region that will
still touch his heart through 

899
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,440
his feet anyway. 
Amen. 

900
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,280
Let's stand tonight. 
I hope this was a meaningful to 

901
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,640
somebody and maybe help somebody
along the way. 

902
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:34,600
Amen. 
This is the only third one that 

903
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,520
we've done. 
Let's give Doctor Mason 

904
00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,080
appreciation. 
Amen. 

905
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:44,440
Tonight for agreeing to join and
be a part and share with his 

906
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,800
experience both in the work 
world, church world and so on 

907
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,040
and so forth. 
Amen. 

908
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,560
This Sunday, folks, we have 
church. 

909
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,440
All right, church coming up this
Sunday, Sunday morning, Sunday 

910
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,600
night, supposed to have a child 
dedication. 

911
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,720
Little Cersei is supposed to be 
dedicated. 

912
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,520
Brittany want to get her 
dedicated to the Lord. 

913
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,000
And so let's pray to the end 
that everybody, she's well and 

914
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,360
everything to be able to 
participate in that. 

915
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,120
And so that's coming up this 
Sunday. 

916
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Again, next Wednesday, no 
service here. 

917
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,040
Gobble, gobble, Turkey, Turkey. 
OK, everybody, if you do want to

918
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:18,120
join in services, there will be 
live streaming, I'm sure, of the

919
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,680
National Youth Convention and 
the services that are taking 

920
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,000
place there. 
And so they're always great and 

921
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,800
powerful. 
And so we pray for a good week. 

922
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,640
The rest of your week, Please 
remember as you exit, Please 

923
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:31,000
remember Bishop and his wife. 
All right? 

924
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,520
I don't know what the outcome of
anything's going to be over the 

925
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,360
next few days or how many four 
days it's going to be all right.

926
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,960
I did tell them though, I've 
made two trips to their house to

927
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,280
get stuff that they needed. 
Have been to Evansville every 

928
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,960
day this week, and I told them 
if they need anything else from 

929
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,240
their house, I'm packing their 
suitcases for a week and just 

930
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:49,680
bring them. 
So I'm not coming anymore, Amen.

931
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,640
But let's just pray for them, 
Amen. 

932
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,040
Let's just dismiss right now 
prayer. 

933
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,080
Father, I thank you tonight, 
God, for your spirit. 

934
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,360
I thank you, O Lord Jesus, for 
your word. 

935
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,960
I thank you, Lord, for the 
example, Lord, that you have 

936
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,200
Lord showcased to us through 
your word. 

937
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:05,480
Lord, even in the area of 
leadership, I pray, O Lord, God,

938
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,680
if someone walked in this place 
tonight thinking the Lord that 

939
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,640
that wasn't them or they, they 
don't influence anybody in any 

940
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040
direction. 
I hope, Lord, a mindset has been

941
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,000
shifted and we see truly that 
each and everyone of us have 

942
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,280
value and we have value in the 
in the area. 

943
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:23,400
Leadership in our lives and in 
our circles that we interact 

944
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:24,800
with. 
I pray, oh Lord, today be with 

945
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,520
your people. 
Give them good weeks. 

946
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,480
God, let those that are sick 
become healthy. 

947
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,880
God, we pray in the name of 
Jesus Christ, Amen and Amen the 

948
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,000
church say Amen. 
God bless you tonight in Jesus 

949
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,960
name. 
We'll see you on.