1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,920 In the autumn, the trees turn golden in preparation for 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,600 emptiness. The air gets crisp, ready to be 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,960 cold. The light begins to fade into 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,120 Gray. Crops that have been growing all 5 00:00:12,120 --> 00:00:15,520 year are harvested before they die, and many of us already 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,080 begin to feel wistfulness for the life that is disappearing 7 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:21,440 before our eyes. But of course, before the chill 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,720 Gray truly moves in, there are fall glories, apple picking, 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,840 favorite films, harvest festivals and celebrations, 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,159 annual culinary favorites, and yes, pumpkin spice lattes. 11 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,880 A harvest feast takes things that are dying and in a way, 12 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,280 marks them for eternity in the form of unforgettable flavors 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,120 and memories. In fact, in the waning days of 14 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,040 the long green season before Advent, the church has long 15 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,760 celebrated All Hallow Tide, 3 days of feasting that connect 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,320 our gratitude for the past with our hope for the future. 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,960 The world around us is quick to dismiss the past, and we 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,480 Christians have sometimes been too quick to join our neighbors 19 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,600 in writing things off that don't last. 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,040 But autumn is an opportunity to do something different, to 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,240 recognize that our timeless God works in things that appear to 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,480 be fleeting, and to consecrate the moment for eternity. 23 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,880 Welcome to the Imagination Redeemed podcast, everyone. 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,440 I'm Sarah Howell, and I'm joined today by Brian Brown and our 25 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,840 special guest today, Caroline Williams. 26 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,960 Caroline is our associate editor and outreach coordinator here at 27 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,480 the Anselm Society. And while you think you probably 28 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,280 haven't heard her voice before, I would argue you have. 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,520 She's behind the scenes, but her voice is very much present and 30 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,200 all that you read and see from us. 31 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 And so it's great to have your literal voice on the show today, 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,680 Caroline. And thank you for reading our 33 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:47,040 introduction story as well. Thank you, I'm so happy to be 34 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,000 here. So today is a new kind of 35 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,920 episode. We are kicking off our quarterly 36 00:01:55,240 --> 00:02:00,160 episode in which we are going to discuss the new quarter seasonal 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,000 theme. We're going to talk about what 38 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,680 drew us to the theme, why it seems timely and we're going to 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,360 also offer up a little preview of what's to head. 40 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,240 But before we do so, I wanted to kind of set the scene. 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,120 Why are we doing a kick off episode? 42 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,760 I like to think about this kick off episode as setting the table 43 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,840 because it reminds me of the story, the short story, but 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,480 that's Feast. That story in and of itself 45 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,440 deserves its own podcast episode. 46 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:34,120 So I I won't belabor on the the summary too much, but if you can 47 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:40,160 imagine these Puritan like community villagers who live in 48 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,800 the north North Atlantic seashores where there's really 49 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,320 nothing to eat but fish. They live a very ascetic 50 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,520 lifestyle, like a true life of simplicity. 51 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,000 But at the climax of the story, of course, there's a thief. 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,800 And when I first came across the story, I watched a film 53 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:01,400 adaptation of it. And it just struck me that at 54 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,640 the feast I didn't. I didn't expect that the 55 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,120 villagers would have no idea what they were eating. 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,160 But why would they? They were all like 12 year olds 57 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,000 trying to eat caviar for the first time, kind of disgusted 58 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,680 but but trying to understand why this would be an important or or 59 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,880 good thing. But the author does something 60 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,840 really interesting. He puts this wildly out of place 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,920 character right at the feast with them, this general who 62 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,600 really understands high French cuisine, and he freaks out every 63 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,160 time a new dish is presented. He just starts giggling, almost 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,320 in delight at certain points. And the villagers begin to 65 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,040 understand what they're eating. And as they kind of loosen up 66 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,960 and enjoy the way that the general is enjoying, they begin 67 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,360 to actually feast. And so I think this is a 68 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,680 profound idea, just a beautiful image that if I can relate it to 69 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,280 our own lives, I would argue that we're all those villagers 70 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,760 in some way, shape and form, and that the Father of this world 71 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,000 sits down with us and delights over his creation. 72 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,840 And it really does us all good to see what God has set before 73 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,880 us. And in this context, what we're 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,640 attempting to do is take a theme and set our table, so to speak, 75 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,240 for what we prayerfully think are some of the rhythms God is 76 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,040 set before us in the autumn season. 77 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,960 And so let's dive into those rhythms. 78 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,720 I want to start with you, Brian. I want to ask you what drew you 79 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,840 to this theme for the fall that we are planning? 80 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:40,360 Well, I've been itching to do something with feasting and food 81 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,720 for a while. Because if you, if your only 82 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:48,760 connection to the Anson Society is the podcast, you may not know 83 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,120 what some of the folks who are local do, which is that we love 84 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,760 to feast. We love to not just the eating 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,800 piece of it, but the the warm, communal piece of it. 86 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,880 And often singing and storytelling, feasting is, we'll 87 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,280 get into this in other episodes, but it's, there's so much more 88 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,720 to it than that. And, and, and autumn in 89 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,000 particular is one of those seasons that a lot of us, I 90 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,360 think have kind of an aesthetic pull towards. 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,520 A lot of people will say fall is their favorite season. 92 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,400 And, and you know, there's memes and jokes about it, right? 93 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:28,800 Like Mr. or misses Autumn with her pumpkin spice latte and her 94 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,040 thick sweater and her trips to Target and all the things. 95 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,840 And, and I'm totally guilty of most of that, except for the 96 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:41,720 trips to Target. But the the autumn piece in 97 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:47,480 particular was something that I thought was really important for 98 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,680 us to work in because contemporary Christianity in the 99 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,400 United States is very good contemporary. 100 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Pretty much no matter what kind of church you go to, chances are 101 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,400 your day-to-day faith is very much present driven. 102 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,640 That's our natural inclination as humans anyway. 103 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:14,520 And a lot of kind of post second grade awakening Christian 104 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,320 influences in the United States make it even even more that way. 105 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,560 And when you're locked in the present, it's much harder to 106 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,000 wrestle with these questions of how to relate to eternity. 107 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,400 How does my grief relate to eternity? 108 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,440 How does my joy relate to eternity? 109 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,600 How does that thing from my past that has shaped who I am relate 110 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,720 to eternity? In other words, how do I enter 111 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,240 into the life of God and feasting in Jennifer Eternal and 112 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,720 Autumn in particular, give us a chance to wrestle with a lot of 113 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,520 different things that have to do with marking the present and and 114 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,600 a lot of things to do with how to wrestle with the past so that 115 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,200 they're all wrapped up in one thing that we're entering into 116 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:57,440 the life of God with I. Like that, Brian, that's 117 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,200 exciting. I, I'm excited about thinking 118 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,400 about time. I don't know if it's my place in 119 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,360 life, if it's how I've been raised, but to me, I see the 120 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:13,000 beginning of the year so much more in the fall than on the 121 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,440 arbitrary January 1st, just with the start of school. 122 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,160 There's something about the death all around and that 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,040 wistfulness that makes me feel connected to what happened last 124 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,120 year at this time, what happened the year before that. 125 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:34,080 There's a, a timeless nature as I see the season kind of 126 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,720 shifting where I, I begin to think about those questions of, 127 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,520 oh, am I the same person as, as, as change around me is 128 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,400 happening, Am I changing with it? 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:51,680 And so that idea of new beginnings change time and, and 130 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:57,280 I guess perhaps for me, there's also just a, a reflective nature 131 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,800 that happens in the fall because things do start to slow down. 132 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:07,560 Things do start to get a little quieter in terms of the seasonal 133 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,760 time and the nights getting longer and the days getting 134 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:15,120 shorter. But that's me Caroline. 135 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,320 When you think about the autumn and this idea of redeeming time, 136 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,560 what comes to mind from your own experience? 137 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,800 Well, I relate to a lot of what both of you are saying and I 138 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,760 will say to you, I was the most excited for this theme when we 139 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,120 first came up with the idea last September because I love a 140 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,200 pumpkin spice latte as much as the next girl. 141 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,720 But my feelings have always been very conflicted around this 142 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,240 season. Spring and summer are very easy 143 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,039 to celebrate. Time kind of stretches very long 144 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:47,320 and liquid in the summer. And once autumn rolls around and 145 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:53,760 the school year starts, time can start feeling very rushed and 146 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,720 there are a lot of demands on it, especially as a mom. 147 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,320 And even though Christmas is in December, a lot of the 148 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,280 preparation, a lot of the scheduling and planning starts 149 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:09,720 happening as soon as October. And so I think I my excitement 150 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,520 around exploring this this topic more this season comes from a 151 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:19,320 realization that I really have a lot of answers I need to find 152 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,000 for myself in terms of how I approach my time without a 153 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,480 cynical, stressed, rushed approach. 154 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,600 Also, my birthday is in November so I think I I tend to face my 155 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,840 own mortality and the passing of time a little bit more in the 156 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,560 season maybe than most people. We'll dedicate the November 157 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:37,360 kickoff episode to your birthday. 158 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,040 Just theme it around mortality and. 159 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,280 Right. Caroline though I appreciate you 160 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,160 saying that because even in your response, you can see the two 161 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,840 different kinds of personalities and mine and then yours that 162 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,680 enter into the fall. I think that it's the slow, 163 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:58,480 wonderful time of thinking about death. 164 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:07,480 And and I, I, I, I am such a romantic in the traditional 165 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,280 sense of the word, where I, I love the wistfulness and the 166 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:16,600 kind of more mortality of the change of seasons. 167 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,360 And rightly so. You're you're calling to the 168 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,600 other kind of person who I'm absolutely ridiculous. 169 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,920 I love that about you. Yeah, the, the, it's, it's that 170 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,720 back and forth. Like one minute you're, you're 171 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,120 sort of reveling in and, and not everyone's like this, but 172 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:42,040 clearly the three of us are. One day you're sort of reveling 173 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,240 in it and you've got your, your coffee or your tea in your 174 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,560 toasty sweater and you're looking at, you're looking at 175 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,120 the fall leaves and it's also perfect. 176 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,920 And then, yeah, the next minute you're, you're absorbing the 177 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,320 Gray and you're contemplating your mortality or you're 178 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,600 depressed because you're thinking that winter's coming 179 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,520 or, or yeah, you have there's, there's those pangs of looking 180 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,720 back toward the past. Why do we do that? 181 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,160 Why does pretty much everybody who loves fall do that? 182 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:18,640 The back and forth between the really deep, rich positives and 183 00:11:18,680 --> 00:11:23,280 the the really deep rich negatives. 184 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:28,200 And at the same time as those practical themes, there are 185 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,120 theological themes that we want to weave in there because there 186 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,400 is a reason for this. There's a reason, frankly, that 187 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:41,080 a lot of us spend a great deal of time either trying to avoid 188 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,040 our past, personal or collective, or going to therapy 189 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,560 to try to wrestle with them. Then let's dive in. 190 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,040 Brian, can you give us a little bit of a false preview of what 191 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,080 is ahead, what we want to try to wrestle with we. 192 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Want to talk about this idea of redeeming the time? 193 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Saint Paul says that I think twice in his letters and TS 194 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Eliot thought that the it's it's the default posture of the 195 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Christian. But it's so hard. 196 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,600 Like we are supposed to do this thing called redeeming the time. 197 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:18,080 What is that? So we want to get into that 198 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,240 because it sounds hopeful. It's a beautiful little phrase, 199 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,240 but it it needs some some unpacking. 200 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,240 Why is there in the 10 commandments? 201 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,920 Why is there a command to honor your father and mother that it's 202 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,200 different from children? Obey your parents. 203 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,160 They're different. They're different commands. 204 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,800 And, and Christians have historically had a very honoring 205 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,960 posture toward the past and a very grateful posture toward the 206 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,120 past. How does that add up to a 207 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:52,680 healthy rather than an unhealthy theology of tradition? 208 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,160 Even something as simple as as Halloween, right? 209 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,680 Christians have all kinds of fights every year about whether 210 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,240 they should celebrate Halloween and how they should celebrate 211 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,680 Halloween, and we want to dive into that. 212 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,880 There's a lot of thought that we can do with this. 213 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,480 One thing that I that I will say a lot in when I, when I'm 214 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,120 teaching is that the Christian imagination is a corporate 215 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,560 imagination. I think in a lot of ways the 216 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:23,160 contemporary American evangelical imagination is an 217 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,440 individualistic imagination. It's about my relationship with 218 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:33,000 God, my conversion at its worst, my, my happiness. 219 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,880 It's not that there's no corporate element to it, but 220 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,920 it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking it's kind of me and 221 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Jesus. But the Christian imagination 222 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,600 is, is corporate. It connects us not only 223 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,000 vertically to God, but horizontally to the people on on 224 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,640 either side of us and around the world. 225 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,800 But it also connects us to to the cloud of witnesses, to past 226 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,160 and future. So it's one thing to say that as 227 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,120 rhetoric, but how does it work? And to get in our most 228 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:09,600 classically and Selmish place, what do stories and songs have 229 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,560 to do with building this imagination in US? 230 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,200 I'm really excited about recording and not necessarily 231 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:25,880 one specific episode that I think this this little strand 232 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:31,400 that I I hope we follow through the season of understanding how 233 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,840 wistfulness and death help us understand the gift of life. 234 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:46,240 I think that the the biblical themes of a seed dying so that 235 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:52,640 life can be born feels very close to the heart of the fall 236 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,640 in in my experience. Obviously you plant seeds in the 237 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:01,120 spring, but the fruit comes in the fall. 238 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:06,680 And one thing that I know we're excited to talk about is the way 239 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:13,160 in which a feast is taking that life off the vine right before 240 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,600 it's, it dies. And as it's decaying, to offer 241 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:23,520 it back, to offer it back to the Lord, offer it to the community. 242 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,280 And that from that death there is born great life, great life 243 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,480 of community, of worship, of, of sacrifice. 244 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:39,800 So whether it be a food like I just described or in seeds, I 245 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,520 think at the heart of that the the wistfulness that comes about 246 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:48,600 and harnessing that in a healthy way is what I am particularly 247 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,080 curious to see how how we explore that concept. 248 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:59,120 And Caroline, from a list of the center standpoint, so you in 249 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,520 addition to being involved in all of our podcast planning, you 250 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,360 also run our sub stack. So you see the comments that 251 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:12,200 come back, you are dialoguing a lot on both social media and sub 252 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,880 stack, more specifically with our listeners. 253 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,160 What do you think is is is going to be particularly resonant with 254 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,400 our listeners? What do you think they're going 255 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,400 to be most excited about? I'm really excited to dive into 256 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,680 feasting, and I really think that that's something that 257 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,760 people tend to resonate. We even saw that in our Bombadil 258 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:39,080 reading group and I think these episodes that explore food and 259 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,160 feasting and something a concept that can be so wildly 260 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,720 misunderstood in our society, especially on different groups 261 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:48,560 of people. I just, I'm really, really 262 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,200 excited to revisit that and I think our our readers and 263 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,760 listeners will too. Earlier I mentioned that I tend 264 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,160 to vacillate a lot between a lot of highs and lows in the fall of 265 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,560 enjoying the season so much and then also falling into it's so 266 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,240 silly. But the the line from the Disney 267 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,440 remake of Beauty and the Beast where the beast is cursing the 268 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,720 fading of the light. I find myself cursing the fading 269 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,319 of the light in the fall. And I think the things that our 270 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,119 listeners heard on the podcast in the summer about pipe smoking 271 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,359 with Malcolm Guy and being present and slowing down, that 272 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,800 all sounds really wonderful when school is out. 273 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,720 But the rubber definitely meets the road in the fall when your 274 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:30,760 time becomes so scarce. And I think there's a lot of 275 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,800 potential for these concepts to really be brought home in what 276 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,560 it looks like to find that merriment and that joy while 277 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,880 your time is the days are getting shorter, so. 278 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,400 Yeah, for sure. Caroline I like that because the 279 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,160 summer does feel like this really nice, simple training 280 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,280 ground, right? And training grounds are meant 281 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:58,680 to be a kind of an easy plane that you get to make the 282 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,520 obstacles that you want them to be right. 283 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,560 You get to decide where you're going to go and what you're 284 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,120 going to work on. But the terrain of life that 285 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,600 happens in the fall, like you're saying, when like kind of hits 286 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,760 you and you have to kind of start again. 287 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,280 You have to learn all the rhythms of school routine for 288 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,760 either yourself or your kids or what it's like to not have a 289 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,120 school routine if that's something you're used to. 290 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,840 I I like that because I think at the time of fall, when the light 291 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,520 is fading, when the training wheels come off and you're set 292 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:38,400 off into actual terrain, we get to defiantly come together as a 293 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:39,840 community. And I think that's something 294 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,440 that's really important about the concepts of feasting and 295 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,840 honoring the past that we're going to focus on this season. 296 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,240 That that we're not doing that alone. 297 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,880 That while we're maybe out of the training ground of ordinary 298 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:59,160 time, we get to come together and and make those defiant 299 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,160 decisions too slow, or those defiant decisions to revel in 300 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,520 abundance when all we see is a scarcity of light. 301 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,000 Yeah, well said. So yeah, Brian, do you want to 302 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,480 go through and, and kind of just give us a, a quick fire drill of 303 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,480 what episodes we'll be focusing on at in what part of the 304 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,160 season? Yeah. 305 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,600 And and yeah, we'll give you the give you all the the quick 306 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,280 rundown, saving all the good stuff for the episodes 307 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,440 themselves, of course. But but you guys jump in with if 308 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,920 they're, you know, important things I'm missing or things 309 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,920 you're particularly excited about or things you want to get 310 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:39,880 on the record as we got to talk about this. 311 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,880 So that then if if we fail, fail, it's it's our fault 312 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,000 because it's set in stone. It's on the air. 313 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 All right, so we will start in September with an episode on Why 314 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,640 We Feast and that's going to double as a session for the 315 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,880 rabbit Rooms house moot event. If you guys are not familiar 316 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,640 with the house moot thing that the rabbit Room does, if you 317 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,760 listen to this podcast, you're probably already familiar with 318 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,240 the rabbit room. If not, you can Google them, but 319 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,960 they do a cool thing for those of you who can't make it to 320 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,120 their October conference. They do an an at home thing with 321 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:19,640 special sessions just for. People to listen to and discuss 322 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,800 together and we will be part of that. 323 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,440 And so why we feast. We're going to look at feasting 324 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:32,240 as reconciliation and how feasting can get into healing 325 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,320 the divisions that the fallen world creates. 326 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,400 And I will get to get over excited about theology of food, 327 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,600 which always gets me excited. So that's number one for 328 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,040 September. But we can't just stop there. 329 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,680 We have to do more feasting. So then we're going to do an 330 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,920 episode on the three feasts of Lord of the Rings, which will be 331 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,320 a conversation with our very own Amy Lee. 332 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:01,240 She gave a talk at the Weight Center at Wheaton about new 333 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,320 catastrophe and hospitality and mental health. 334 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:09,120 And she touched a little bit on this idea that there are three 335 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,440 key feasts in the Lord of the Rings that that represents an 336 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,520 exploration of past, present and future. 337 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,600 And we really liked that. And we said, Yep, you got to do 338 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800 more with that. So we're going to have a 339 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,120 conversation with her about that. 340 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:27,600 But she's also giving a talk on that at our long expected feast 341 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,760 fall event, which will be right around the same time in in late 342 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,000 September. So by the time you're listening 343 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,080 to this, it might already be sold out, but we will do our 344 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,720 best to squeeze as many people in as we can and sell some 345 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,880 online tickets if we can. And then we'll hit October. 346 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,360 And this is just something that Christians, I think Christians 347 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,000 don't talk about enough. And that is, what are we to do 348 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,240 with the past? So we're going to do an episode 349 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:02,040 getting us ready for Halloween, or more specifically All Hallow 350 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,400 Tide, the three day period that includes what is now called 351 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,440 Halloween and was originally a Christian holiday. 352 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,040 And we're going to get into this idea of honor your father and 353 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,960 mother and what that means, what that has meant in historic 354 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,240 Christian theology. What does it mean for a theology 355 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,280 of tradition that isn't just if it's old, it's good, but also 356 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,760 doesn't leave us sort of rootless, making everything up 357 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,720 as we go? I'm so excited about this one. 358 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:36,360 I have zero place in, in my historic past of understanding 359 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,040 what the heck to do with October 30th, 31st. 360 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:47,240 And, and I, I, I so resonate, Brian, with that concept that, 361 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:53,920 you know, a lot of modern American Christianity is, is 362 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,760 kind of making up what we could do next. 363 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,320 It's it's always trying to address the present from the 364 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,800 present. And yet, tradition for 365 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,200 tradition's sake literally makes my bones ache if I have to do 366 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:12,040 something just because I automatically want to do 367 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,080 everything I can to foil that plan. 368 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,240 Oh, and we will talk about that. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll never 369 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720 forget one of our earliest standstone lectures. 370 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:31,120 We had the poet Scott Cairns. And Scott is Eastern Orthodox, 371 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520 and he was talking about that instinct in US. 372 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,880 And it's to some extent it's, you know, maybe sort of a 373 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,960 artist's instinct to creative's instinct. 374 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,520 But it's also, it's also to some extent, just a rebel's instinct. 375 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,800 You know, you can't tell me what to do. 376 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,880 And, and, and as Americans, we also have this instinct towards 377 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,320 innovation. Some of my earliest jobs when I 378 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,120 was in my 20s, I couldn't help notice everyone my age lost 379 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,760 their ability to influence corporate culture in the these 380 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,040 workplaces really quickly because they charged and saw 381 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,400 something that didn't make sense to them and tried to change it. 382 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,440 They have this immediate instinct. 383 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,600 If it doesn't make sense to me, it can't possibly make sense, 384 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,800 which essentially theologically speaking makes you just your own 385 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:25,040 private Pope. If it doesn't make sense to me 386 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,880 right now, in this moment as a 22 year old, it can't possibly 387 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,480 make sense, right? And Scott said when it comes to 388 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,760 tradition, especially something like ritual, something that's 389 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,840 repetitive, you have to let it work on you before you try to 390 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,680 work on it. I can see the tie to the next 391 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,640 episode in October being what you're calling the songs, Brian, 392 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:58,120 because songs have to be learned and embodied and and sung, 393 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,200 right? Like you have to become one with 394 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,920 the song in order for you to learn it, like know it. 395 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,080 And so it works on you before you get to work on it. 396 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,520 And to think about doing that on a corporate level. 397 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,400 You know, songs that aren't just about I, but it's about us. 398 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,320 It's about we. And not only songs that are 399 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,400 about us, but that we actually sing together. 400 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,240 It's not just one voice, but there's something special that 401 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,840 happens when a bunch of mediocre or beautiful voices come 402 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,360 together and start singing together. 403 00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:35,960 It takes on a whole new thing. It it's, it's not just your 404 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,640 voice anymore. In fact, your voice is kind of 405 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:43,040 taken up and transposed into this this new instrument called 406 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,760 us. Yeah, well said. 407 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Yeah. And that episode and I, I 408 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,640 started using that, that term we songs and, and we stories for 409 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,960 that matter, to, to describe songs that are specifically 410 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,960 written out of a corporate imagination, out of a sense of 411 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:02,320 memory. There's an us that was here 412 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,560 before I got here and will be here after. 413 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,520 And songs and stories that are oriented toward word uniting us 414 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,840 with that us, uniting us together and pushing us together 415 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,440 toward God. A lot of the contemporary music 416 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,560 of all sorts, not just Christian that we deal with is, is 417 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,080 individual. It's me singing about my 418 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,160 thoughts and my feelings and my relationships and my you know 419 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,640 what not. But most of the most powerful 420 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,080 songs, even when they're written from an individual perspective, 421 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:35,160 connect us to other things as part of the reason Taylor Swift 422 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,000 is so powerful, right? She sings things and her target 423 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,720 audience goes, I've been there. We songs are songs that are 424 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:48,360 written that way intentionally to to communicate not just the 425 00:26:48,360 --> 00:26:54,200 feeling of the moment, but the permanent realities that are 426 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,720 that are universal to humans and that have shaped us over time. 427 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,040 So we've we've had some good episodes in the past about 428 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,560 singing like, like you guys should go back and listen to our 429 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,880 episodes with Amber Salad and they're wonderful. 430 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,480 These ones are specifically going to be about what happens 431 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,840 when we prioritize old songs that are oriented towards this 432 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,680 kind of corporate imagination and write new ones. 433 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,560 This is also why we should join our local community choirs too. 434 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,720 Nice. We should definitely give a good 435 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,160 pitch for why every person can sing. 436 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,640 And Brian, would you say that that's something that Amber has 437 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,800 already done a good job with making a case for? 438 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,640 Well, yeah, Amber. So Amber is the the director of 439 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,960 a a church, Well, actually a bunch of choirs, but she's also 440 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,000 the music director at her church in Manhattan. 441 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,120 And she's on the board of the CS Lewis Foundation. 442 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:55,920 And she goes so far as to say the idea that you Can't Sing 443 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,720 and, and especially you Can't Sing to God and you should shut 444 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,080 up because nobody wants to hear you sing is a lie from the pit 445 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,200 of hell. And I agree with that. 446 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,920 Like if, if, and this is true of singing, but it's true of 447 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,720 singing as a metaphor for everything else too. 448 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:22,520 That that if I were the enemy, I would very much want you to 449 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:31,160 think that all of the flaws and insecurities and defects and 450 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,600 just idiosyncrasies that you bring to the table disqualify 451 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,040 you from speaking to God and lending your voice, literal and 452 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,040 metaphorical, to the body of Christ. 453 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,000 So we're going to dismantle that lie and try to rebuild back up 454 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,120 something better poured, something that we're going to 455 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,760 get into in November, which is there. 456 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,400 There's a story in, I don't remember which of Chesterton's 457 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,360 writings it's from, but he talks about how Christianity is in 458 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:11,840 some ways, yes, it's ancient and it yes, it's eternal, but it's 459 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760 also the sort of eternally young religion. 460 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,440 Because God himself has the ability to look at something 461 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,600 good and true and beautiful. And in this case that he has 462 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:29,760 made like a sunrise and never get tired of it and sort of clap 463 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,680 his hands and say do it again every time. 464 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,000 That's something that we struggle with. 465 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,360 I remember having a conversation with a friend once who had the 466 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,800 exact same pizza from the exact same restaurant next to his 467 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,640 workplace every single day. And I and I remember saying 468 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,760 that's quite aside from any health concerns that that crazy 469 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,960 like, don't you get tired of it? And he said, well, no, because 470 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,920 if something is good, it's good every time. 471 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,200 No. I'm not advocating his point of 472 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,360 view, but we've all sort of had the opposite experience. 473 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:05,880 We're familiarity breeds contempt. 474 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,520 You get tired of stuff, and there's so much about fall that 475 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,760 has to do with nostalgia and wistfulness, on the other hand, 476 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,640 but also just things dying around Kanju, the reminder that 477 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,600 things are fleeting. How can we move from this 478 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,880 wistfulness to a recognition of abundance with both the past and 479 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,640 the present? Yeah. 480 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,600 I'm really excited about that episode because it's very easy 481 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,440 to look at the past in a general sense and romanticize things 482 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,080 like antique furniture, you know? 483 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,600 But even just looking back at your own life and past versions 484 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,560 of yourself and it can be a real struggle to find compassion 485 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,400 towards those you know, you and the past, and finding that 486 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,520 eternal approach to yourself and your own life amidst that woods 487 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,880 fullness. So I'm excited about that 488 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:01,000 episode. Yeah. 489 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:05,520 And then most likely after that, our, our current plan with, with 490 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 all of this, we, we reserve the right to move things around if, 491 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,800 if things happen. Sometimes we find ourselves in 492 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,640 possession of a great idea that we want to record right now or 493 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,840 an audio recording for something. 494 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,600 And, and, but right now we're, we're keeping the, the 2nd 495 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,840 November slot free for one session of audio from the 496 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,120 retreat at our, our, our fall gathering. 497 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400 And that'll get us up to December, which kicks off our 498 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,720 winter season. So that's our current plan for 499 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,720 the fall. Ladies, thank you for everything 500 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040 that you've put into making it what it is. 501 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:50,400 And for you listeners, this is your chance to sort of jump in 502 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,480 any, if you're using an app like Spotify or YouTube that allows 503 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,640 comments or you're seeing this post on social media, this is 504 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,800 this is your chance to jump in and say, I'm particularly 505 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,240 excited about such and such an episode. 506 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,760 Would you please tackle this topic along the way because we 507 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,400 have not recorded any of the episodes yet. 508 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,720 So this is your, this is your chance to ask your questions on 509 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:15,000 the front end. Absolutely. 510 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:20,840 And an invitation to all the listeners out there, including 511 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,280 Caroline and Brian, is there are two questions that I'm going to 512 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:30,720 try really hard to consider for myself as we go through as we go 513 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,480 through the season. I confess that I mean, if 514 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760 anyone's listened to the podcast for more than two seconds, 515 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,640 they're like, duh, Sarah. But I confess to nonetheless, 516 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,320 that I love to stay up in the clouds. 517 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,560 I love to think about these beautiful big topics and how 518 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,640 they relate to the rest of the world. 519 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,880 And, and I love to spend this little amount of time thinking 520 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,160 about my own personal life and, and what happened yesterday and 521 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,560 what's going to happen tomorrow. With that being said, though, 522 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:06,040 that's where the that's where these big ideas get tied down. 523 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,760 And beauty happens, right? If beauty doesn't happen in the 524 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:15,040 clouds, it happens in, in the, the milieu of all the different 525 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,200 organisms on earth bumping into each other. 526 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:23,600 And so the two questions I have in my mind are, first, what fall 527 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:28,880 traditions in my own life can be seen through the lens of 528 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040 redeeming the time? And so that's really going to 529 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,040 force me to start asking myself when I put on that sweater and I 530 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:41,120 start wanting to go outside to crunch the leaves, that crunch 531 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,680 the leaves tradition. But I revel in so much. 532 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,160 What about that is helping me redeem the time? 533 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,280 And then the second question is, how might my Thanksgiving 534 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,360 celebration, specifically this year, embody some of these 535 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,080 things? I think that Thanksgiving is 536 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:06,240 oftentimes wrapped around the axle of particular personalities 537 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600 coming together and the social dynamics. 538 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:14,360 Or for some people, it's the intensity of how much they care 539 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,120 or despise certain ingredients that will be on the table. 540 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,520 But to, to bring all of life, right, right. 541 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:28,679 Like the the past and all that we are to the table to bring 542 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:36,400 honor to one another in a more global sense to to bring the the 543 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,120 cloud of witnesses to the table with us as we're having 544 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,400 Thanksgiving and as well to understand, like, why does it 545 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,360 matter? How can I be excited about just 546 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,159 eating food together or feasting? 547 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:57,280 Those are things that I hope to bring into preparation for my 548 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,280 Thanksgiving celebration as we kind of dwell and think about 549 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,200 these ideas. So those are my 2, my 2 pitches 550 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,960 to you too, and to our listeners to think about your own fall 551 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,480 traditions in the lens of redeeming the time and to start 552 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,120 thinking about Thanksgiving. We spend a long time preparing 553 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,440 ourselves for Christmas, and I feel like Thanksgiving happens 554 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,680 and I give it about maybe a week's notice in my head. 555 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,400 Well, Caroline, Brian, thank you guys so much for this 556 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,680 conversation. I'm really looking forward to 557 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:35,920 the season, and I pray that God prepares our hearts as well as 558 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,840 our minds to dive into these beautiful stories that we get to 559 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:47,240 explore as we look at feasting and redeeming the time through 560 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,360 not only our food, but also in the way that we honor the past. 561 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,200 The Imagination Redeemed podcast is a production of the Anselm 562 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,400 Society. It is easy to see this world as 563 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,480 disenchanted and to give up hope that there's more. 564 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,760 But you were made to see the world with the eyes of heaven 565 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,800 and to live a bountiful life that participates in the life of 566 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,960 God. Like in the great stories, the 567 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,360 Anselm Society is a place where you can come in and experience 568 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,480 that beautiful, joyful celebration in ancient. 569 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,320 Go out renewed, bringing that life to your location. 570 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:28,720 Home enters. Join us next time as we pursue a 571 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,960 renaissance for the Christian imagination together.