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When the Catholic novelist 
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see with the eyes of the church,
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to that large body of Pious 
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So long been famous. 
The tensions of being a 

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Catholic, novelist are probably 
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until the church becomes. 
So much a part of his 

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personality that he can forget 
about her Flannery O'Connor. 

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This is the redeemed imagination
podcast, a podcast of the Anselm

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Society on re enchanting the 
church. 

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Welcome to the inaugural episode
of the redeemed imagination 

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podcast, my name is Brian Brown.
I am your host and the director 

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of the handsome Society. 
An organization based in 

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Colorado, whose mission is a 
Renaissance of the Christian 

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imagination with me are the 
members of the Anselm Society. 

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Ward, who will be regulars on 
this show, Lancia Smith, Heidi, 

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white matter. 
Net and Joel Clarkson. 

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The story behind this podcast 
and what you're getting yourself

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into here is a long one, but the
short version goes something 

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like this. 
Five, six years ago now and 

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2013. 
Father, Matt, and I sat down and

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said, what could we do to 
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our church? 
And a few months later, we 

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hosted a lecture. 
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another and it was almost a 
coincidence that the first 

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couple were or a few of the 
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Don c.s., Lewis, and Peter light
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And he wondered if anyone would 
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Hey, these are great speakers 
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And next thing we knew 250 
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and we had to use the backup 
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We still had overflow from there
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person after person after person
exceptional people, people who 

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had incredible gifts to offer 
the kingdom of God, we're saying

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to us. 
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I thought I was the only one I 
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teenagers who came in armed with
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Dusty. 
ASCII story saying, I didn't 

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know that the stuff related to 
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I didn't know that my love for 
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a passing impact on my faith. 
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born out of that, we helped 
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local artists. 
More churches, joined, and it 

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grew. 
And there are we live in a time?

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We're fortunate to live in a 
time when more and more churches

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are passionate about spiritual 
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who are thinking deeply about, 
what does it mean to form a 

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whole person? 
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someone with the best stories 
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What does it mean to teach 
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What Being to inhabit our part 
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What does it mean to be on to 
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Beyond not merely a Sunday 
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but to be able to approach our 
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who is 95% formed by the world 
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training here and there on the 
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So thoroughly by a vision of the
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So thoroughly by a total 
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So thoroughly by the notion that
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only in the work of God but in 
the very character of God in the

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here. 
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next thing we knew as thing kept
growing and we started a 

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podcast, belief to see podcast 
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I've met half a dozen people who
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were fortunate enough to add a 
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Just speaking with joy. 
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see is about art and Faith, it's
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are trying to integrate their 
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The second speaking with joy is 
about integrating art into your 

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life, about approaching art in 
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in such a way, that not just the
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beautiful inhabit, you and 
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And thorough way, the way that 
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and the piece that was missing 
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become the focal point of the 
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increasingly large and exciting,
International tapestry of 

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organizations that are working 
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Christian imagination is that 
our space is really reconnecting

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the Arts and the church helping 
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Be places that know how to 
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to engage artists as partners in
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Every Soul. 
Everybody in the church, there 

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are many organizations that 
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many organizations that focus on
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that focus on publishing or 
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Niche. 
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specifically the space working 
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of this puzzle. 
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re-engage the church, those who 
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been burned, those who maybe 
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Church experiences with just 
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of things or feel that this huge
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connected as it could be to 
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part of the kingdom of God. 
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towards that end towards 
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Those of you who are past And 
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the toughest questions, the 
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What do I do? 
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If I'm starting from Square One,
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If I feel like I've been doing 
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area or that that I could be 
doing better, you're not alone 

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in these conversations, you're 
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and we want to be a resource for
you and engage you in an ongoing

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conversation, a two-way 
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hold of Of on Facebook or 
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those of you who are artists, we
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church that is open to you. 
That needs you in which you like

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every other member of the 
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Every other member of the 
kingdom of God are a sub Creator

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created in the image of the 
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category, Church leader or 
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We want to show you that on some
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to be a steward of the kingdom 
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called you to and a patron of 
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ReDiscover. 
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creative side. 
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one, which is a myth by the way.
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perhaps a redefine 21st century 
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the Arts in which you can 
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spiritual, maybe Financial 
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That a Renaissance Patron might 
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or just their Prestige, that's 
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If into this is the redeemed 
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moment and allow you to meet the
rest of the team and then we 

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will look forward to joining you
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conversation in our first 
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is Father, Matt Burnett I've 
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co-conspirator who started and 
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and I will let him introduce 
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Can church. 
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church. 
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father through the son, by the 
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Is Heidi white and I want to 
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people cool things about all of 
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I'll let you two talking Heidi. 
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interesting, Brian that you 
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leaders or artists and I would 
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I love the Anselm Society. 
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the vision for it and seeing it 
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church and the artists who are 
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I'm a literature Teacher book, 
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So I tog I speak in lecture and 
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And so I think that education in
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and jelly, they belong together.
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with the Anselm Society. 
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be here and finally physically 
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Lancia Smith. 
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I'm Lancia. 
I'm the founder of cultivating 

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is an online magazine dedicated 
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Jane Christians everywhere, but 
especially those were engaged in

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the creative arts. 
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cultivating project, which is a 
discipleship Initiative for 

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people who are working as 
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about. 
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Lotsa, and calling in from 
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Today is Joel, Clarkson, Phil? 
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I am a composer. 
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concert music, all sorts of 
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that I'm doing here in Scotland,
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Institute. 
For theology imagination in the 

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Thanks Joel and fun. 
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Probably six months ago now and 
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and Logistics and what we need 
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a ton of it was Vision, a ton 
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this stuff? 
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And we got to the end and we 
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body and we have a microphone on
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seed of this podcast was born. 
I'm going to wrap up this 

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introductory episode and allow 
you to get on to the real stuff 

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for the enzyme Society board of 
directors, I'm Brian Brown. 

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Talk to you soon.