1 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,960 On this holiday episode of Queen's Video, we discuss Batman 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Returns. We also review The Master, 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Predator, Badlands, Pluribus, Running Man, and why movies just 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:43,000 don't feel real anymore. Don't forget that this is the 5 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,680 one don't. Forget that this is the the 6 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,520 holiday episode. Of Queens video Carl. 7 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,120 Happy Christmas. And merry, merry melodies to you 8 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,560 too, Brian. Goodwill toward all men. 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:58,480 I am just so and women that it is the, you know, absolutely 10 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,040 like like now that it's the holidays, I'm just feeling 11 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,120 really joyful to the world joyful. 12 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,680 Joyful. God we adore. 13 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:09,720 What's this song? No one ever does sing. 14 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,360 No one. This song doesn't get any 15 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,120 airtime anymore, but it's like a Lisa song and it's like. 16 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,440 Lisa from BLACKPINK Lisa Simpson. 17 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,200 Lisa, I think her name is Lisa, but it's from the movie Toys. 18 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,400 And it's like, do you know the one I'm talking about? 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,880 I was like during the 90s it was. 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,760 It was a big holiday one. Yeah. 21 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,920 Well, listen, while our producer Ian is looking that up, Brian, I 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,440 would just like to welcome you to the Queens Video Holiday 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Special. I'm Carl Swanson. 24 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,720 I'm Brian Griffin. And we wish you all out there in 25 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,480 podcast land a very Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:51,560 Happy Hanukkah, crazy Kwanzaa, and a Solomon dignified Ramadan. 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,280 Go out there and destroy the environment this season. 28 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,080 Just get real. Like as much plastic and and and 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,600 and and. Just wrap that up in more non 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,200 biodegradable bullshit. I mean, I think that we'll get 31 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,560 into a, you know, a subtle critique of consumerism later in 32 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,160 the episode. Ohh. 33 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:10,479 Yeah. Like, yeah. 34 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,040 In the meantime, yeah. How's it going? 35 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,040 Brian, how you doing? Pretty good, pretty good. 36 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Yeah, I I haven't got the sads just yet, but. 37 00:02:17,640 --> 00:02:21,880 Ohh I fully I have seasonal onset depression in like August 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,880 now. Like as soon as the weather gets 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,360 slightly colder and I can tell that the sun is setting early, 40 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,280 yeah, I now like fully. I'm just like Oh well I need to 41 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,680 hibernate and also maybe just be sad all the time and it's only 42 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 because the sun is setting at like 9:00 PM instead of 10. 43 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,560 Yeah, I I got my lip crossed going this week, which was. 44 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Oh yeah. Yeah. 45 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:42,920 And you know what, it's nice to get in early. 46 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,240 What's What's the update there? We have an update from the 47 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,040 producer closing. Of the year slash Happy Burgers, 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,320 the closing of the year Wendy and the I miss Wendy. 49 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,800 I'm not a big fan of Wendy. Wendy is not the best Lisa 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:57,840 though. That Lisa. 51 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,440 Oh. Feature seal. 52 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,640 Featuring Seal, Yeah, well. I would say, do you? 53 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:03,520 Guys know the song though. Or am I just fucking? 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,000 No. No, it's listen to it you. 55 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,240 You'd be like, Oh yeah, It seemed like every ad for 56 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Christmas ever in the 90s, but not anymore. 57 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,440 I yeah, I I'm, it's on the tip of my tongue. 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:18,960 If I cannot bring you hope, I can't remember. 59 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,960 This fucking song to. Be honest, the lyrics. 60 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,000 Brian, I'm going to save you right. 61 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:23,760 Thank. You. 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,480 Listen, I'm sure you've also watched a bunch of movies over 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,880 the last month or so. Shall I tell you about some of 64 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,680 the ones that I've been watching? 65 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,280 Would you please for me now, This is the best way to combat 66 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 seasonal affective disorder. Just get into a dark room, sit 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,040 down and let somebody else take control of your. 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,400 Life. Honestly, that's a fantastic 69 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,520 idea. I also approve of doing it in 70 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,360 your living room or even just sitting and watching your 71 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,760 computer or on your telephone, because the thing I wanted to 72 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,640 bring up is a couple of nights ago I watched a. 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,600 Telephone fuck. Off I watched a very interesting 74 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,560 YouTube video. Oh, I mean YouTube. 75 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,760 We can all get behind that. Fully this this YouTube video 76 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,240 it's the channel is like stories of old. 77 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,360 So I'd highly suggest everybody go out there and and take a look 78 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,760 at this channel like stories of old. 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:11,080 The the video is titled why movies just don't feel real 80 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:11,960 anymore. Oh. 81 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,800 My God, I think this was targeted towards me. 82 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,399 Absolutely. That's so weird that that that 83 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:22,040 very video and the video is screenshot of two movies and 1 84 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,560 is like. Two Jurassic Parks 1A clip of 85 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,320 the guy in the original Jurassic Park and the other one, Scarlett 86 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,680 Joe Scarlett Joe. So kind of the thesis of this is 87 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,760 he's talking about like he does. It's an in depth film studies 88 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,280 analysis of the difference between basically, I want to say 89 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:44,560 digital film and analog film. But really it's more a case of 90 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,080 like, you know, why everybody has this general idea that 91 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,720 movies just don't feel real anymore. 92 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Then the the host is fantastic. I would say, don't listen to 93 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,920 what I'm going to say because we're I'm, I'm just skimming the 94 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 surface here. But he's talking about, I mean 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 like, like one of the things that he kind of starts with is 96 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,480 this idea that there's like a cinematic look now, you know, so 97 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,840 a lot of movies, basically the entire movie, unless they have 98 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,040 something special to do, is a whole bunch of medium shots. 99 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,880 So shots of the character kind of from the the tits up or the 100 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,040 shoulders up and then everything in the background is blurry. 101 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,960 And you'll see this very is a very common composition in film 102 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,440 now is to have shots set up like that always. 103 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,800 Tits with you, Carl. You know I'm a I'm a tits man. 104 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,080 When am I gonna grow tits? And so, yeah, this, this lends 105 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,440 to a lot of kind of sameness in, in movies right now. 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,800 And I mean, like, especially in in Jurassic Park, you know, 107 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,840 they, he shows some comparisons side by side of like, you know, 108 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,160 new Jurassic Park with Scarlett Johansson and Jonathan Bailey. 109 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,200 And they're walking around and, you know, everything is just 110 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:45,200 kind of blurry in the background. 111 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,440 And it's a shot of, of, you know, the two of them bust up. 112 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,400 But, you know, Old Ones is like, is like Sam Neil and Laura Dern 113 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,160 and the two kids walking through the grass and you can see the 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,160 car in the background and you can see the grass in the 115 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,880 foreground. And it just like making those 116 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,520 kind of comparisons. One of the things that is very 117 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,680 interesting that he talks about is that the one of the 118 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:08,440 differences between physical film and digital film is that 119 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,080 physical film has what he calls indexicality. 120 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,360 So this is going to start to get a little bit like, you know, 121 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,200 like esoteric here. But indexicality is the idea 122 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,440 that, like when you're looking at a symbol, that symbol is a 123 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,640 direct correlation to the thing that it represents. 124 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,520 So as in, if I were to take a picture or shoot a film of 125 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,200 something, that picture or that film is a direct representation 126 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:41,000 of the photons from what has been shot hitting the film, and 127 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,920 then you're looking at that through your eyes. 128 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,360 Digital film does not have indexicality In the same way. 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,400 When you shoot something digitally, the photons from 130 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,960 whatever you're shooting hit the digital recorder and then that's 131 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 that's where they're recorded Later at some point, you can 132 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,680 pull those pixels out and those digits and kind of make that 133 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,680 image into whatever you want it to be, which is why like like 134 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,720 that's a useful tool because everything gets like reprocessed 135 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,440 then and you can make it. You can as a director or a 136 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,680 studio, make it kind of look however you want. 137 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,160 But like humans are really evolved people. 138 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:19,840 We know when we're looking at something that is not indexed 139 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,520 like like real film is. And then the other really cool 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,720 point that he makes in this is that there's a, there's a film 141 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,920 theorist called Laura Marks and she talks about you. 142 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,360 There's a great quote where she says film is grasped not solely 143 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,600 as an intellectual act, but by the complex perception of the 144 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,920 body as a whole. So basically what she's saying 145 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,720 is like when you watch a movie, you're not just like looking at 146 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,200 the movie and understanding it, but there's actually something 147 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:51,280 where like it has you register a movie physically, you know, like 148 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,960 obviously you're looking and seeing it, but your brain also 149 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,040 so kind of understands how the the space works with the feel of 150 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,320 the space is, you know, like, like what the, if the characters 151 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,760 are touching something, what that touch feels like. 152 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,600 I mean, like thinking gladiator where there's the shot of 153 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,520 gladiator, like walking through the, the, the sheaths of wheat. 154 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,480 You know, that scene is so powerful because not only is it 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,400 kind of beautiful, but it's beautiful as a movie to watch 156 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,160 that because your body knows like what the hand is feeling 157 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,720 going through the wheat and stuff. 158 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,560 And so in like modern movies, one of the reasons why movies 159 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,720 don't feel real is because they just aren't able to achieve that 160 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,320 sensation again. So and then I'm going to shut up 161 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,280 about this real quick because you should just go and watch the 162 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,080 video yourself. But this film critic Laura 163 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,679 Marks, she has makes this difference between what she 164 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,280 calls haptic visuality and optic visuality. 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,400 So haptic visuality is when you're watching a movie, your 166 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,480 eyes aren't just registering what you're looking at and what 167 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 you're seeing. Your eyes are also then an organ 168 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,520 of touch and understanding. And so like, like when you're 169 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:06,200 watching a movie and it's like, you know, wet and hot and muggy 170 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,040 or maybe sexy and intimate or like violent or something, your 171 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,400 eyes are not just registering what that looks like, but also 172 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,680 what that feels like and what that sensation is. 173 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:16,600 Versus like when you're just looking at something in the real 174 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,080 world, your eyes are registering things like color and distance 175 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,120 and depth and stuff. And so in old movies, because 176 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,880 they are like indexed, it's much easier to achieve haptic 177 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,800 visuality because your eyes know that they're seeing something 178 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,560 real. Versus in like new things that 179 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:39,120 are really constructed, have really like blurry backgrounds, 180 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:42,840 have really like bizarre colors and stuff, your brain is smart 181 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,320 enough to know that that's not a real thing. 182 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,280 And so it doesn't register haptically. 183 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,560 It only registers. Right. 184 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,440 Anyway. No, it's, it's totally valid. 185 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,920 You know, Carl, I've always said the eyes are the nipples of the 186 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,440 face. I and and the nipples to the 187 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,360 soul. Brian, I've totally ran over my 188 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,600 time just talking about this YouTube thing, but I want to say 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,200 that this instigated me to a fuck. 190 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Instigated. That's the word of the day I was 191 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,920 telling you, and I've said this word instigated more in the last 192 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:13,520 like. You're such an instigator, I'm 193 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:18,520 sick of you instigating issues. Instigating film criticism. 194 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,080 Instigating Queen's video. Anyway, I'll try to wrap this up 195 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,120 really quick. But anyway, they were. 196 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Showing Karl you take the time you need to express what you 197 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:26,800 want. Go. 198 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,080 They were showing a whole bunch of clips of the Master, so I 199 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,120 finally watched Paul Thomas Anderson. 200 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,520 The Master haven't. Seen it in years but you go, 201 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:35,760 well what do you what do you think? 202 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,960 That's your sense. I mean, so Paul Thomas Anderson 203 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,360 is obviously he's the director of 1 Battle After Another and a 204 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,360 bunch of other. Great stuff. 205 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,120 He is a really good director, but he made a video that came 206 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,800 out last decade starring Joaquin Phoenix and Philip Seymour 207 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Hoffman and, like, a broadcast that also like, has Amy Adams. 208 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Yeah. Yeah. 209 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,800 Rami Malek, Jesse Plemons. Rami Malik in that. 210 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,640 One Rami Malek is in that Jesse Plemons plays Philip Seymour 211 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,240 Hoffman's son, which is such good fucking casting because 212 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,640 they just look like they're the same father. 213 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,680 He's the heir. Apparent of Philip Seymour 214 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:10,880 Hoffman. I think you said that to me 215 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:12,840 recently. Well, and I mean, it's 216 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,040 heartbreaking watching it because you're just like, God 217 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,200 damn it, Philip Seymour Hoffman was a great actor and. 218 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,080 Is that the last? It's got to be one of the last 219 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,960 ones, yeah. The last movie was like a Hunger 220 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,880 Games or whatever, but it's the last important one. 221 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:28,080 Well, and this one is a very important movie like it's it is 222 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:34,600 about Joaquin Phoenix plays a American Navy seaman who at the 223 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,920 end of World War 2 is just completely lost. 224 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,400 And so and an alcoholic and an absolute kind of, you know, like 225 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:43,480 has a lot of of of, you know, mental health issues. 226 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,280 And he falls into the orbit of Philip Seymour Hoffman, who is 227 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:53,000 the master of this cult that is very loosely Scientology esque. 228 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,720 Like he meets them on a boat and they go on a boat for the first 229 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,280 act of the movie. And so the whole movie is about 230 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,920 like power and psychology and, and the, you know, how how 231 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,240 people have deep emotional problems and how people exploit 232 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:12,240 those deep emotional problems. But then also it's just visually 233 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,400 stunning. Like it's, it's shot. 234 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,600 They made a big point of the movie being shot on film and it 235 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,560 fucking looks like it. Yeah, like every shot. 236 00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:21,880 There's these great shots where Joaquin Phoenix is a 237 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,600 photographer. And so Paul Thomas Anderson sets 238 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,960 up the shot and it just looks like a still image of like a 239 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,520 50s, you know, Sears photo booth thing and where like. 240 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:37,440 And it's, it is just strikingly visually striking. 241 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:39,440 Anyway, I'm you've seen it right? 242 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,880 Years ago, I can't even remember, but yeah. 243 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:43,800 And it's one of those I don't think I appreciate it. 244 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:45,680 I think I saw it and was like I don't get it. 245 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,240 I think the whole time I was watching it, I was like, I'm 246 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,840 going to need to watch this a couple more times. 247 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,880 This is a it's a movie that I can tell is great, but it's also 248 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,240 like 2001, a Space Odyssey where I just don't quite understand 249 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,440 everything that's happening at all. 250 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,080 Times. It's a it's a solid story about 251 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:06,240 one person kind of falling into the orbit of somebody possibly 252 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,640 exploitative and, and maybe finding their way out. 253 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,800 Nobody's a really good person in it, yeah. 254 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,080 And PT Anderson is like that. His films are, they're not like 255 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,640 other films, they're not like, you know, they're not like a 256 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,480 quick fix. They're not like McDonald's. 257 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,160 They're like, you have to take your time and enjoy this 258 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,800 sumptuous feast that's in front of you. 259 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,560 It's a Michelin star restaurant. You're getting 7 courses. 260 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,360 That's what you get with PT Anderson. 261 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,760 You, you have to go back and, and reappraise all of these 262 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,880 films because they work on so many levels. 263 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,080 But. That's a very good, It's a very 264 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:40,000 good metaphor. Yeah. 265 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,120 Yeah. It is like his movies are like, 266 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,400 they're, they're going out for dinner. 267 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,920 They're not fast food. Yeah. 268 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Yeah, percent. Listen, you've seen any good 269 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,560 movies lately? Yeah, I saw a bunch of fast 270 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:54,600 foodie movies lately. Yeah, love them all. 271 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,640 Not all I saw I've been looking forward to for a while now. 272 00:13:58,640 --> 00:13:59,680 Predator. Badlands. 273 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:03,160 Oh yeah. Good feeling about it, and I was 274 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,880 right. Predator Badlands. 275 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:07,840 Predator Badlands. It's kind of in the title. 276 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,280 It's about a predator. A predator. 277 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,320 He's in a very bad land. Yeah. 278 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,840 So the story is this is a predator. 279 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:18,960 He comes from the predator, Predator Prime planet. 280 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,320 I don't know what it's called. Predator Prime. 281 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,560 And he's actually a small predator. 282 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,080 He's a little. There's something wrong with 283 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,200 him. He's like smaller than the rest 284 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:29,320 of them. So his family want to kill him, 285 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:34,880 so his brother elects to save him or whatever and put him on a 286 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:39,520 ship and send him off. He figures the only way for him 287 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,920 to prove himself to his family, to his tribe, is if he kills the 288 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,600 most dangerous creature that exists and the most dangerous 289 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,400 creature that exists. I can't remember what it's 290 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,720 called, a Zub Zab, a Zub Azorb. It's on this, it's on this 291 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,520 incredibly dangerous planet which he has no choice but to go 292 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,560 to. So he has to get the head of 293 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,400 this creature to prove himself, otherwise his tribe will fucking 294 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,880 kill him or they'll just, he's just excised from from the 295 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,560 group. So he gets to the planet, it's 296 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,760 very inhospitable, he loses all his shit, he's in danger, and he 297 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:20,120 meets another friend who is Elle Fanning, who is a Wayland Eutani 298 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:22,520 robot. Wayland Eutani is also on the 299 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,200 planet. Because they want the same 300 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,200 creature, because there's a couple of surprises. 301 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Wayland Eutani and this is the company from Aliens. 302 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,640 Yeah, they really it's a close those. 303 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:35,440 Fuckers really just are everywhere you do not want them 304 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:36,440 to be. Right. 305 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,960 And the thing about this movie is that it's very fan family 306 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,200 friendly. It's not violent. 307 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:45,640 It's not like a horror splatter vibe that Predator movies. 308 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,480 I think they generally should be and in the past, so about 309 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,720 halfway through this movie, I was like, where are the 310 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,960 exploding human heads? I think I fucking hate this 311 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,320 movie. I think I don't like this movie, 312 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,880 but I was like, it just works so well. 313 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:02,280 It like convinced me. It like completely changed 314 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,360 genres, completely switched gears and it convinced me. 315 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,200 I I fucking love this movie. It has a great little third act 316 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,520 twist. Elle Fanning has two roles in 317 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,640 the movie. She there's a like she has like 318 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,040 a sister robot that's pure fucking evil and menacing and 319 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:23,000 just the ending is wild. It like it it it it's it's it 320 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,880 could parallel aliens. It's so much fun. 321 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,600 It actually references aliens too. 322 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,560 It's like the you know, the stay away from where you bitch robot 323 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,840 machine. There's one of those on fucking 324 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,400 on. Oh, OK, it's so much fun. 325 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,000 It's just a a great pulpy piece of fucking fun. 326 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,360 Nice that you could actually bring the kids to, to be honest. 327 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:42,320 That's interesting. Yeah. 328 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,400 And that's definitely striking a different tone than both of 329 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,760 those franchises are known for. Yeah. 330 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:48,960 And it's. Cute and lovely. 331 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,400 That's what I wasn't ready for as well. 332 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,600 Like the the filmmaker is very smart at like just taking 333 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,600 aspects of of Predator and flipping it on its head. 334 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,720 Like this Predator is very likeable. 335 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,360 Like there's the way they animate them. 336 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,680 They spend a lot of money animating this Predator's face. 337 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,960 He's got like cute little eyes and like he's, he's very emotive 338 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,119 and it's just very convincing. Everything's just very well done 339 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,040 and detailed and marvelous. Who's the director? 340 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,599 Do you remember? Oh. 341 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:16,359 He did pray. He actually directed. 342 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,480 Oh, Dan Trachtenberg loved Prey. Yeah, Prey is fantastic. 343 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Prey is the Predator movie that's set in just post colonial 344 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,400 North America. And another. 345 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Just excellent idea. Tribe of, of Native Americans 346 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:31,440 fighting a Predator. Yeah. 347 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,200 And that was like, I, I mean, I'm a huge Alien fan. 348 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,480 Yeah. I like the first Predator. 349 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,240 I just don't think that a lot of those Predator movies have the 350 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,400 same kind of thematic depth that the Alien ones do. 351 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,120 It's unfair to. Yeah. 352 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,280 Prey nails it. Prey is right up there. 353 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,600 I think Prey, Prey and Alien Romulus were like Disney. 354 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,440 The first Disney Yeah attempt at adults movie. 355 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:55,440 And they did. They knocked it out. 356 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,000 Yeah, did you like Alien Romulus? 357 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,440 I did, yeah. I just. 358 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,680 I just wish I could have done with less fucking robots from 359 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:04,640 the first movie. Yeah. 360 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,400 You know, like references, like. I think it works fine. 361 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,800 You don't need all that. It works fine by itself. 362 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,040 Like by its plot by itself. You don't need to just inject it 363 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,160 with all these little yeah, little fan servicy things. 364 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,040 Stay awake. Oh God. 365 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,720 And I think that was where the movie kind of lost me. 366 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Like I liked Alien Romulus. I thought it was interesting to 367 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,240 kind of set it with a a bunch of young people. 368 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,200 Yeah. And I originally I was like, oh, 369 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,120 that's, you know, the like we talked about in our review of 370 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:30,840 Alien. Yeah. 371 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,640 You know, kind of the charm of Alien is it's about middle-aged 372 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,320 people just doing a Joe job and having that I'll go to hell. 373 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,560 And I was kind of like, oh, well, this is just young. 374 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,960 They're just trying to make it a Hollywood thing. 375 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,320 But no, I thought there was an A point where you could make a a 376 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,880 cool social commentary about how young people now are spit up by 377 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,560 corporate America. And it it started to make that 378 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,240 point, but then at the end it was all just kind of like hokey 379 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,000 1 liners from old movies and winking at the camera. 380 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:59,240 That's the frustrating thing. But one thing, sorry before last 381 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,640 thing, last thing. I love that scene in Alien 382 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,760 Romulus where they she shoots the shit out of all the aliens 383 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,160 and the acid starts and she's in 0G and the acid starts to 384 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,960 comfort. She has to like do all this like 385 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,600 diving through the acid. Amazing. 386 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,200 There's, you know, yeah, there's cool. 387 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,160 Stuff. Yeah, Predator, Predator, 388 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,400 Paddlins, same vibe. Like Disney are knocking it out. 389 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:19,000 It's tremendous. Tremendous. 390 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,320 Love it. We got to talk about Pluribus, 391 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Brian. We must simply sit down and talk 392 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,320 about pluribus and tell me I I understand that it is the 393 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,280 moment. This is the moment, yes. 394 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Pluribus is the new show by Vince Gilligan. 395 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,440 Vince Gilligan is the showrunner for, most recently Better Call 396 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,280 Saul and Breaking Bad. What's that? 397 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,880 Yeah. What's Breaking Bad? 398 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,800 I don't know. What that. 399 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,280 Yeah. It's not like an obscure 400 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,280 independent production. Pluribus is the newest movie in 401 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,680 the Albuquerque cinematic or the newest TV show in the 402 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,160 Albuquerque cinematic. Universe. 403 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,320 Is it set in Albuquerque? It's also set in Albuquerque. 404 00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:59,360 Baby. It's cool. 405 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,400 Vince Gilligan loves is. Vince Gilligan from Albuquerque 406 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,480 it. Must be good question anyway. 407 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,920 I mean like obviously you know, big fan of Breaking Bad, big fan 408 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,960 of Better Call Saul. Pluribus is a total different 409 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:17,080 story, but it's stars Raya Seahorn, who is the she was the 410 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,240 she was the female lead in Better Call Saul and she's 411 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,000 outstanding in Better Call Saul. Like she she when she plays Kim 412 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,520 Wexler in Better Better Call Saul, she just is a really good 413 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,040 actor. She plays this like like like 414 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:35,120 career woman lawyer really well, but like you're just watching it 415 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:36,560 and you're like, why is she not in movies? 416 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,440 Why is she not a massive * so? She. 417 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,600 She gets the lead in pluribus Pluribus starts out, she plays I 418 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,520 think the name is Carol and she's an author of like chick 419 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,240 lit. And as she kind of finishes her 420 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,280 book tour for her first for her newest book, comes home with her 421 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,120 manager slash girlfriend. And as they're having a quiet 422 00:21:00,120 --> 00:21:04,400 moment, you know, outside of the, I want to say hotel or or 423 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,600 apartment building, all of a sudden the world ends and 424 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,960 everybody turns into a mindless zombie that is all connected 425 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,520 with one mind. And she gets a phone call from 426 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,840 the president saying, Carol, don't worry, you know, we're all 427 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,000 connected now and everything is going to be fine. 428 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,840 And just give us a second. We're figuring this out, and 429 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,880 we'll have you connected to as soon as we can. 430 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:33,800 And so the tagline of the show is the most miserable woman on 431 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,600 the planet has to save the world from happiness. 432 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,720 And that's all I'll tell you about Pluribus. 433 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,120 Yeah, I, it's, it's frustrating. I read a thing today and it 434 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,560 ruined a bunch of it. And I was like, fuck, one 435 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:49,320 sentence just ruined like a good chunk of this like that. 436 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,640 I would have loved to discover it for myself, but I'm so 437 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,320 excited for it. It sounds amazing. 438 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:56,720 I mean, as I was watching the first episode, I was like, 439 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,520 listen, Vince, I trust you got your start on The X-Files. 440 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,360 If anybody knows TV, you know, TVI don't know how the hell this 441 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:08,440 is supposed to work, but as you keep watching it, it's beginning 442 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,400 to make a little bit more sense. Plus it just has all of the 443 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,040 like, fun, like visual flourishes that he loves to do. 444 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,960 You know, lots of like, like long. 445 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,320 Teddy bear in the swimming pool in in Breaking Bad. 446 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,240 It was iconic. Yeah, you know, second episode 447 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,040 starts in Lebanon with a completely unrelated character 448 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 and you're just like, what the hell does this have to do with 449 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,560 anything? But I I trust that by the end of 450 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,560 the episode I'll know. And then, like, you know, you 451 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,840 do. So yeah, it's it. 452 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,840 Listen, I we're I'm 3 is. It five star television. 453 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,560 I I don't want to give it a rating yet because I'm 3 454 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,920 episodes in but it. Is it's so safe Carl, just come 455 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,600 out with your an opinion strong. I'm going to say 2 very 456 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,760 enthusiastic thumbs up, Brian. Oh, I love that Carl. 457 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,440 That's that's amazing. I'm I'm fuck it, I'm going to 458 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,560 get into it. I'm deliberately not been with 459 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,520 Apple TV is. Gold Apple TV is good stuff. 460 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,480 I mean, it's hard to keep up with it. 461 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,360 Now I'm going to dangle Pluribus over me to make me watch the 462 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:05,120 rest of that shit. Well, yes, because you said 463 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:08,600 you're watching Silo right now. Silo and I need to also get back 464 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,920 into Foundation, which I love. I've heard Foundation is very 465 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,240 good. Oh. 466 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,080 Man, I just who's that sexy guy? Lee Pace. 467 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,560 You. Lee Pace, who is 6 foot 5 inches 468 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,640 tall. If you were attracted to him 469 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:27,360 before, watch Foundation and you will know what attractiveness 470 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,320 is. Well, I mean, that's as good a 471 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,480 reason as I need to watch it as. I mean, that's a Segway because 472 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,800 he is also in a movie that I saw recently. 473 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,200 OK. Good Segway. 474 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Yeah, that he plays. I don't know if this is a 475 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,760 spoiler, so just skip ahead now, less than a minute if you don't 476 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,720 want a spoiler. But Lee Pace plays the villain 477 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,240 in Running Man. Yeah, and he wears a mask, and 478 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,920 you don't know it's him. And, like, the whole time I was 479 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,160 like, who is it? I'm almost certain to say I was 480 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720 like, is it Cheyenne Jackson? Is it, What's the other guy, the 481 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,080 other gay guy that's really hot and and tall? 482 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,680 The one from fellow travelers? Yes, Matt. 483 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,720 Matt Bomer. Matt Bomer. 484 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,080 I was like, I was like the whole way. 485 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 I was like, oh, it's not either of those gays. 486 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,480 It's another one, right? Yeah. 487 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:08,960 But anyways. It's Lee Pace. 488 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,880 He's terrific. Did he come out of the closet? 489 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,920 Are we outing Lee Pace? Good question. 490 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,840 I don't know. Anyway. 491 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,480 Who knows what's what's gay, what's sexuality you. 492 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,640 Tell me, just Jonathan Bailey and his slutty little glasses. 493 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Yeah, yeah. Tell us about Running Man, 494 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:26,560 Brian, what is Running Man about? 495 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,840 Running man is so frustrating. Carl, it's a Stephen. 496 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,360 King Story. Based on Stephen King's novel, 497 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960 it's a very angry movie. Or it's supposed to be an angry 498 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,280 concept. It's about a set in a realistic 499 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,080 future where games shows are are, you know, they're basically 500 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,720 the Coliseum, the ancient Greek Coliseum. 501 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,360 Like it's if people sign up for game shows, they compete to 502 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:55,080 death, whatever. So Glenn Powell is really low on 503 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,760 money and he's got a bit of a socialist vibe. 504 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,160 He likes to help out his fellow man. 505 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,000 He signs up for this this game show. 506 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,880 They're excited to have him because he is pissed all the 507 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,280 time like. He has. 508 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,920 Like pissed energy wise, like he is an angry person, so he's got 509 00:25:12,120 --> 00:25:13,240 pent up. Yeah. 510 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,600 And that's exactly it. So they want to put him on 511 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,360 there. So there's three of them, three 512 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,760 contestants. They are released into the 513 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,080 streets of I think it's Boston or New York, I can't remember. 514 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,680 It starts in New York, I think they released into the streets 515 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,160 of this future state city. They're given a 24 hour head 516 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,320 start and they're given $10,000 and they just run like fuck. 517 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,560 After the 24 hours is up, the people on the street, people can 518 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,640 participate. The public, they will take a 519 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,960 picture of them if they see them and that will notify a team of 520 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:51,080 hunters to come find them. So their, their goal is to like 521 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,040 fly under the radar and stay out of the way and stay and survive 522 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,920 the the hunters. So Glenn Powell, so fucking 523 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,080 sexy. That man is just a solid block 524 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:05,480 of handsomeness. He's released and it's just 525 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,840 action sequence after action sequence after action sequence. 526 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,440 Honestly, this film is a five star movie when it's an action 527 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,560 sequence, but when it's not an action sequence, it's so plain 528 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,920 Jane and and and run the mill and kind of cliche and not 529 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,360 really make it the sensor. It's it's, it's a very silly 530 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,200 movie. But then that's interesting 531 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,440 because Edgar Wright is he's the director of Scott Pilgrim versus 532 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,120 the World. He's the director of like Shaun 533 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:34,120 of the Dead and that kind of stuff. 534 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,760 He is usually a very interesting director. 535 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Like he, he likes, he likes visual jokes. 536 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,080 He likes to frame things and shoot things in a way that is 537 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560 engaging. So it sounds like it sounds. 538 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,240 Like it's. True, sounds like he manages 539 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,240 that in the action but not in script. 540 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,760 The other it's. Script to me To me it's the 541 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,640 script. I also had a problem with the 542 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,560 ending, the ending and and this they're like I I was looking it 543 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,360 up after as I was like that ending was a little like a 544 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,600 little very happy and not really in line with the rest, like how 545 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,080 I would have expected this movie to end. 546 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,680 I I feel like there's a reshoot or a studio interference there 547 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,400 somewhere. The movie. 548 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,120 I'm not maybe not going to ruin it, but like the book ends very 549 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:20,680 ambiguously, like he's he's going to do something big kind 550 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,120 of terroristy to just, you know, to like prove a point or 551 00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:26,960 whatever. That kind of happens in the 552 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080 movie, but not really. And it, like, segues into some 553 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,800 other weird subplot where they've, like, really try and 554 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,360 wrap things up super quick. Very frustrating. 555 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,720 The cast is stacked. Michael Cera is in this, so it's 556 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:39,280 nice. Yeah. 557 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,840 Scott Pilgrims back, baby. Nice. 558 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,560 He is brilliant. Josh Brolin plays the mincing 559 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,480 villain. Terrific. 560 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,440 Oh, fun. Yeah. 561 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,840 It's just a wild ride honestly. I, I, I'm not, I'm just saying 562 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,400 I'm not saying it's a bad movie. I I recommend this movie. 563 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,680 I just feel like there's something wrong with the 564 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,840 plotting. But watch this for action, for 565 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,080 the pure sheer pulpy action. It's a joy to watch. 566 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,360 That's great. Huge flop, not making any money 567 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,920 at the cinemas. I think the studio kind of got 568 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,640 scared and like they tanked this one on purpose. 569 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,600 That's too bad 'cause what the hell else is there to watch 570 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,320 these days? Yeah, what? 571 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,920 What? 8 this weekend? 572 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,600 Oh fuck. Do you know what it You know 573 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:21,960 what it lost out to? What? 574 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,440 Now you see me, now you don't. Oh, somebody was saying this. 575 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,400 Yeah. And have you seen any of those 576 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,000 movies? I. 577 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,960 Can't. Like I cannot get my head around 578 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,640 how that could be a movie. But everyone loves it. 579 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,680 I was really, yeah, there there was a huge like, like, like pent 580 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,280 up demand for a Now You See Me sequel where that everyone then 581 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,000 was like, Oh yeah, fuck, I used to love those movies. 582 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,880 I haven't seen a single one of them. 583 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,720 But the cast is so black as well. 584 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,000 Well, I'm like starring Jesse Eisenberg, not Jesse Eisenberg. 585 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,680 Is it Jesse Eisenberg? Yeah, he's the social network 586 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,280 one, right? And who's that Australian 587 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,320 actress? Margot Robbie. 588 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,720 No, she's she's in Kippen. She's in. 589 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,200 She plays Rebel, she's in. Oh, Rebel Alley, Howard. 590 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,120 Rebel Alley, Howard. Oh, Elsa Fisher, right? 591 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,840 Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, nobody good is in those 592 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,800 movies as far as I'm concerned. Hey I got to do it on the 593 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,320 running man topic. Did you see the there was a 594 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,240 great like clickbait article that was like why Pennywise 595 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,120 isn't in running man. Oh what? 596 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,280 Oh fuck I. Was like, why? 597 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,760 Why Running Man doesn't take place in the Shawshank 598 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,840 Penitentiary? Why Carrie? 599 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,320 Isn't in running. No because it's just they're 600 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,080 just written by the same author. They have nothing to actually do 601 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,480 with each other. So I saw a friend of mine on on 602 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,960 on blue sky quote quote posted it and was like why babe isn't 603 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,560 in Mad Max Fury Rd. Brilliant. 604 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,920 I would love if they connected those two universes somehow. 605 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,800 Listen, I think we should just get everybody who's ever written 606 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,760 two stories to. Mash. 607 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,920 Both of those characters together and while we're doing 608 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880 that. I'd like a break, please, Carl. 609 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:31,080 Why don't we take one? Carl, it's beginning to look a 610 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:37,600 lot like Batman. Carl, I I had a question for 611 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:38,320 you. A question for you. 612 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,840 You know, did you know Mistletoe can be deadly if you eat it? 613 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,600 But Brian, a kiss can be deadlier if you mean it. 614 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,440 No, it can't. That's the dumbest. 615 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,080 It fully can who? What the hell? 616 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,600 OK, so we're talking about Batman Returns. 617 00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,240 Yeah, that that line is said in that movie maybe too many times. 618 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,800 But that's obviously a carryover from Batman One, right? 619 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440 Like the first Batman, where it's like you. 620 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:08,400 Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight? 621 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it's like a repetition of 622 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,160 that, even as like a child. I recognize that it did the same 623 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,280 thing twice in in those movies. That's right. 624 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,560 But what's interesting is that they have two different 625 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,240 screenwriters. So what's going on is who's is 626 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,080 is the second screenwriter identifying that was a thing 627 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960 that was successful in that first movie and then porting it 628 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760 over because that screenwriter incorrectly identified that. 629 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360 I think that shit is terrible in the original Batman. 630 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,200 Do you agree? But Carl, well. 631 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,920 I rewatched the original Batman in preparing for Batman Returns 632 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,400 because I don't think I'd. I don't think I'd seen these 633 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:47,800 movies for probably 20 years, but well, but I mean, they were 634 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,360 big movies when we were kids. So we're talking about the, you 635 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,120 know, I want to say original series Batman. 636 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,080 In 1989, Tim Burton directed Batman the movie, which was the 637 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,800 first Batman feature length film, starred Michael Keaton as 638 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,080 Batman and Jack Nicholson as the Joker. 639 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,760 And this was like kind of one of Tim Burton's first big movies. 640 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,760 Like, I think he's he had done peewee. 641 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,280 Yeah. And then I think Batman came out 642 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,560 and then he did like Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands. 643 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,680 And then he did Batman Returns. I think Beetlejuice came first 644 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,200 because I think that's why the idea the thought of getting 645 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,520 Michael Keaton for Batman came from and they didn't want him 646 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,240 for the Warner Brothers did not want him for Batman. 647 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,640 They were like, no, he's a comedian. 648 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,520 We don't like that. He's a comedy actor. 649 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,760 We don't like that. What do you think of Michael 650 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,000 Keaton as Batman? It's really hard to answer that 651 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,480 question and be fair because to me he is Batman. 652 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,240 Like he's the first Batman I saw. 653 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,360 I'm Batman and I love it. I think he does a great job. 654 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,200 We'll talk more about like Batman Returns and how he's not 655 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,240 really the main character of. Batman Returns, Absolutely. 656 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,560 We'll we'll get into that shortly. 657 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,200 But anyway, Long story short, the studios, kind of like 658 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,360 superhero movies, were not what they are now, no in the past. 659 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,240 We had RoboCop, RoboCop and Batman. 660 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,960 That was it. Like, well, the prototype. 661 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,640 I would say more importantly, we had Superman. 662 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000 Like don't forget about the Superman 1970s Superman starring 663 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,360 Christopher Reeve, which is like I I haven't seen that movie in 664 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,720 ages, but it's a very fun. Movie. 665 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,280 Yeah, it's a great movie. Yeah. 666 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640 So Batman, when Batman came out, it was a bit of a risk, and it 667 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,960 was a bit of a risk with their like, you know, gothic director 668 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:39,240 Tim Burton, that weirdo. But they ended up being one like 669 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,160 the, I think at the time it was the fifth highest grossing movie 670 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,480 in history. Like, people loved it. 671 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,040 They flocked to the theaters to see it. 672 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,200 So immediately they were like, OK, well, we got to do a sequel. 673 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,520 I think it's, I think back in 1989, this was fresh. 674 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,280 Like they were, they were looking at us. 675 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,200 It's like me, whatever. And like us looking back in it. 676 00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,240 We'll probably roll our eyes at it. 677 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,000 But like the idea of like a really dark gothic superhero 678 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:04,840 movie. Yeah. 679 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:06,840 Yeah. Was very unique. 680 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,360 It was a good fucking idea in hindsight. 681 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:11,480 Well, sure. But I mean, like, like, you 682 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,400 know, talking about blockbusters before that, I mean, we've 683 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600 we've, we've seen the Terminator lately. 684 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,080 Yeah. And Aliens had just come out a 685 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,760 couple of years earlier. This was like it was a time of. 686 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,679 But then also, I mean, like, then you had all those big, big 687 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,320 westerns, like the the you know, the movie that won best picture 688 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,679 in 1992, which is when Batman Returns came out, was Heaven's 689 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,760 Gate. Have you seen Heaven's Gate? 690 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,560 No, me neither. Clint Eastwood, though, that is 691 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,159 a shame on us because like Heaven's Gate is an important. 692 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:48,840 Movie, sure, but I what I'm are. You sure haven't skated. 693 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,639 I think so, yeah. OK. 694 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,920 Michael Camino, OK. Sure. 695 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:54,679 Anyway. But but what I'm trying to get 696 00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,600 at is the the landscape for film, and specifically the 697 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,800 landscape for superhero movies as action movies was much 698 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,920 different then. Yeah. 699 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,040 So let's Fast forward two years or three years. 700 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,520 We get Batman Returns, Tim Burton's come, Tim Burton comes 701 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,280 back for it inordinate amount. Of money to yes, because he 702 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,680 didn't want to do it right. Yeah, and. 703 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,240 Yeah, and and like, it's one of those weird things where you can 704 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,640 tell he didn't want to do it, but in a terrific way because 705 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,560 the movie is great, but it's so well, you're going to say it, 706 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,200 but you said it alluded to it earlier, but we it's it's anti 707 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,800 consumerist and it's it's a it's a reaction to the merchandising 708 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,000 frenzy of the original Batman. Yeah, which is? 709 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,440 Themes that Tim Burton loves, like like Brian. 710 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080 What do you think about Tim Burton as a director? 711 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,600 I really enjoy him. Always have. 712 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,720 What are Tim Burton's like styles? 713 00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:54,800 That that come to mind. He loves like dark. 714 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:00,520 Gothic like just the deepest darkest gothic architectures and 715 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,000 then just fun cartoon, like silly, big eyed, beautiful 716 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,400 cartoon people walking around like they're almost like, like 717 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,600 it's almost what what's the word? 718 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,760 I'm, I'm trying to say like absurd absurdism and like put 719 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,440 absurdism in this like dark, weird culture and like make it 720 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,040 kind of funny and weird. Like it's, it's very 721 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,080 idiosyncratic and I love it. It's it's just this, this polar 722 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,960 diametric opposite of each other, two like sort of 723 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200 aesthetics fused together, but working somehow. 724 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:36,880 Yeah, he loves to, you know. Throw oppositions, yeah, you 725 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,880 know, have Edward Scissorhands be in the, like, beautiful 726 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,560 suburb or have, you know, the like, like 2 nice married 727 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,520 couples turn into horrible weird ghosts and haunt punt the, you 728 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,000 know, Winona Ryder or, you know, like, like then and and this is 729 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,440 kind of classic Tim Burton, I'd say like, like Tim Burton then 730 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,720 kind of meanders off and I don't know if there's been a good Tim 731 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:04,400 Burton movie in a very long time. 732 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,840 Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is fun but but. 733 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,760 But to your point, like like yeah, the the quality really 734 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:11,840 tanked. Yeah, there. 735 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,680 But Disney it did for. Sure. 736 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,760 Well, and he he never really liked. 737 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,840 Disney initially, and actually there's a little bit of that in 738 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,600 this one like that. I feel like when you see that 739 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,560 picture of the cat, that's the Shrek logo. 740 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,000 I'm like the chatter cat. Well, yeah, and it's also 741 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,120 vaguely Mickey Mousey, so it's a little bit here making. 742 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,240 Fun of this thing, you know, they put that the Cheshire Cat, 743 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,520 and specifically that design of the Cheshire Cat is in Alice in 744 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400 Wonderland, his Alice in Wonderland movie made by Disney. 745 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,600 So it's like very circular, the whole thing. 746 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,640 You're right. I think it is. 747 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,280 Tim Burton's got a wit to him. Yeah. 748 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,720 But anyway, OK, so the story of Batman Returns. 749 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,720 It's the second Batman movie. In this one it is Batman, but 750 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,720 it's also Catwoman and the Penguin. 751 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,080 Wrong. It is Catwoman and the Penguin. 752 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,880 But also Batman. Well, yes, yeah. 753 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,160 And so. In in Gotham, it's like 754 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:06,840 Christmas and and out of the the the sewers of Gotham, this like 755 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,000 monster Penguin man comes out well and and so to see him as a 756 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,600 monster. No, absolutely. 757 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,960 And nor does the movie. Like the very first, the very 758 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,080 first shots of Batman Returns are Penguin being born and he's 759 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,600 this horrible monster baby, so his parents throw him away down 760 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,440 the river. And so like, like immediately 761 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,920 it's evoking sympathy for the antagonist of the movie. 762 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,680 There's a weird like fairy tale vibe to. 763 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,080 That, yeah, the way it's filmed and even the way it's scored, 764 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,920 it's quite, it's quite beautiful actually. 765 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,520 It's a very strong opening. Yeah. 766 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:41,280 Oh. Oh, and you know who plays 767 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,840 Penguin's father? I do. 768 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,120 Who plays Penguin's father? Paul Rubin's baby. 769 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,040 I was looking at that. I was like, is that Pee Wee 770 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520 Herman I know and the mother is the mother from? 771 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,840 Twin Peaks? No. 772 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,160 Oh. I missed that. 773 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, she's not the. 774 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,720 Mother, but she's in Twin Peaks. OK, nice. 775 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,880 Then the other plot. Of the movie is that it's kind 776 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,640 of and it's oh, the comment plot is the best. 777 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,160 I love that, but they're all woven really well together. 778 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,240 Because kind of the, the the main thrust is that Christopher 779 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:13,400 Walken's character, Max Shrek, is this parallel billionaire in 780 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,000 Gotham who is trying to build a power plant that's a kind of an 781 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,720 evil power plant. And he doesn't have support from 782 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:23,440 the mayor. And he then also is just kind of 783 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,720 really shitty to his secretary, Selena Kyle. 784 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:28,520 Not shitty. He's fucking. 785 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560 Evil, like just no respect. Yeah. 786 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,640 And she's, she's this. Like every woman who's like, you 787 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,600 know, in a shitty job, works for a shitty boss, doesn't have much 788 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,080 going on in her life. And so she's she has she's 789 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,600 desperate, but she then, like is pushed out the window by Max 790 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,840 Shrek and saved by a whole bunch of cats and is reincarnated as 791 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,880 Catwoman. I am Catwoman. 792 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,640 Yeah. Is she the best part of the 793 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,000 movie? Yeah, look, look, is she the 794 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,480 best part? Of the movie or are we just? 795 00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,440 2 gay guys, no reflecting back. But it it like because both 796 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,720 performances are amazing and poor Michael Keaton because he 797 00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:09,200 really got he's having fun too. I think he is. 798 00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,160 He's not. Yeah, I would say he has very 799 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,480 positive feelings about his costars, but Danny DeVito is 800 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,560 fucking phenomenal when he's on screen and I think he's better 801 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,480 than the Joker and I'd. Only say that because like, 802 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,480 like, like, I don't know if it's because the makeup got better or 803 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,600 because he's just gives a better performance in it. 804 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:31,520 But the Joker in the first one has this weird face smile thing 805 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,840 that's going on and it just it, it's a little bit of a mask. 806 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,320 It you know, everybody loves Jack Nicholson and that, but I, 807 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,400 I, I didn't have the kind of rose tinted glasses and 808 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,480 everything, but the Danny DeVito is wearing this padding, this 809 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,120 hook nose, this massive wig of hair and out of him. 810 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,520 Constantly and he. Nails it. 811 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,880 It's like this. Not my, I'm sorry. 812 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,680 It's like this clown thing. I don't. 813 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:57,800 I don't know if it's a performance. 814 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,360 I don't. Know if anyone's a particularly 815 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,360 better actor? I think it's a it's a thing of I 816 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:06,480 think maybe Tim Burton enjoyed working with them, with him. 817 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,040 And there's like this because like you can see him goofing 818 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,960 around in the background. Even when the scene is kind of 819 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,480 finished, he's stopped exchanging. 820 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,160 You can still hear him like grunting and kind of giggling to 821 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,600 himself. He's like, he's just, he's just 822 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,240 vamping in the background. Having a good time with this 823 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,400 fucking and character Michelle Pfeiffer though too. 824 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,160 Absolutely nails, but I think the script loves this. 825 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,920 Character, yeah. Like the sexuality, it's in the 826 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,320 script. I really feel like that. 827 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,960 I agree. But I think the script is great 828 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,560 for all. Of them like I think one of the 829 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,040 things that again, how you know this one versus the first one. 830 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,440 I I thought a lot of stuff just kind of happened in the first 831 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:44,960 Batman movie. I didn't think a lot of the 832 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,000 motivations were very clear so much in that first Batman movie 833 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,760 is all. Just coincidence and just kind 834 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,440 of implied they're but so Joker's. 835 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,960 In love with. The man he's dated the the the 836 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,080 woman that Batman's dating, Yeah, that's a big coincidence. 837 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,360 Oh, Joker killed Batman's parents and made him Batman? 838 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,120 Wow, that's a big coincidence. Like dumb. 839 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,320 Whereas in Batman Returns everything. 840 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,160 Is explicit like it is, and you, you Penguin is the way that he 841 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,920 is because of the way he was brought up and you're shown that 842 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,440 Catwoman is the way that she is because she is, you know, 843 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,400 demonstrated by the man and. She sure her arc is that she 844 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,960 wants. Agency over her own life. 845 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:23,960 Max Shrek is the way that he is because he is a rich, powerful 846 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120 man who wants to abuse that power. 847 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,880 And he is an explicit foil for Bruce Wayne. 848 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,280 And then Bruce Wayne is a little he had maybe he has a little 849 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,200 weakness of the movie. Maybe sure, but I. 850 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,040 Will say we were talking about Michael Keaton. 851 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680 I think he's he's good as Batman in this. 852 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:41,680 He's better as Bruce Wayne. Yeah. 853 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,480 Like, yeah, you're right. You're right. 854 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,000 You know, it's it's a it's a funny movie. 855 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,760 It's very Batman light. There's very little, like there 856 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,200 are whole series of scenes without Batman, Batman's 857 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,640 involvement or even the shadow of Batman, which is fun. 858 00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,640 I fucking love it. I think it's great. 859 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,560 It's a cool ass movie. This movie was never going to be 860 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,600 successful. I don't know why it still was 861 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,720 like it was I. Mean it wasn't as successful no 862 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,240 no no no no it was still like one of the highest grossing 863 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,000 movies of that year. It just the expectations were 864 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,640 sky. High. 865 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,920 They had not. They had a big they. 866 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,600 They understood they had a. Big cash cow. 867 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,760 Well, do you want to wrap this segment up by? 868 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,440 Talking about McDonald's, McDonald's were fucking. 869 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,400 Livid. So when they sent over like the 870 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,240 images in the movie, they were like, OK, you're going to make 871 00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:30,680 toys, I guess going to go on Happy meals. 872 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,640 Here's Penguin. Here's Joker or Catwoman and 873 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,000 Batman. They were like Catwoman and 874 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,040 Batman. Yeah, we can work with it. 875 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,920 What the fuck is this? They look at the Penguin and 876 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,080 they're like, we are not making a child's toy out of this 877 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,640 fucking monster shit. This is horrendous. 878 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,080 Yeah. And then Catwoman, and she's 879 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,040 just in in. S&M gear, yeah, But you can toy 880 00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,320 that up, you know what I mean? You can. 881 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,520 Make that kidzy. But I think it's also more than 882 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,520 that though. I mean like this is a. 883 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,000 Movie that, that every people walked out. 884 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,640 People walked out of the movie, you know, kids were in tears. 885 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960 It's all very sexual. It's all very weird. 886 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,520 And they were kind of like, what the fuck did we just see? 887 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,840 So. So listen, I went. 888 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,080 To see this movie in cinemas, it's not the first, but one of 889 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,600 the 1st movies and I, I should not have been in that. 890 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,760 How old were you? I was 7 did a lot of the. 891 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,760 Rapey stuff go over your head. Did a lot of the sexy stuff go 892 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,040 over your head? Listen, I I watch this movie 893 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,960 very regularly. It's one of my all time favorite 894 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,200 movies. We had like this on VHS. 895 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,560 We didn't, we'd like taped it or something off of a a neighbor or 896 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,720 whatever. But we watched this at home a 897 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:37,320 lot and I had never, I had no clue what any of the adults were 898 00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:38,760 saying. So part of the fun for this 899 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,000 movie for me was like deciphering, like watching the 900 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,520 scenes with the scene with Catwoman and Penguin and 901 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,760 Penguins trying to come out to Catwoman. 902 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,880 Yeah. I must rewatch that like 50 903 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,560 times to be like, what are they saying? 904 00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,920 What is going on in this scene? I do not understand a single 905 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,560 thing. It's it's visually fun, though. 906 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,520 You know, she eats the bird. The bird flies out of her mouth. 907 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,400 That's cool. There's all these cool gags and 908 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:02,720 stuff. And he's, like doing the bat 909 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,880 signal with his hands. And there's all these fun visual 910 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,680 things to entertain you. But this, I would not let a 911 00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,840 child watch this. Yeah, Like, I would not. 912 00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,840 It was a mistake to let me go see this. 913 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,480 And yet we all did when we were kids. 914 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:15,960 Yeah. Yeah. 915 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,400 Yeah, I I again, I don't. Want to go to break because? 916 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,000 We want to, I want to talk about thematic stuff in the second, 917 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,320 you know, segment here. But but before we get to that, I 918 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:29,120 just want to acknowledge how many live animals there were in 919 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,000 this movie. Like there was you're watching 920 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,320 and you're watching all those Penguins and you're just like, I 921 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,320 can see which of those, you know, are little people in 922 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,960 Penguin suits. I can see which of those are 923 00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,280 puppet Penguins, and there are a lot more just real live Penguins 924 00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,800 in there. And then there's the monkey. 925 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,400 And then, oh, the monkey's great. 926 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,040 I love the monkey. All of the cats. 927 00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:51,440 The dogs, the dog. And the woman with the. 928 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,360 Dog and then and then you. Just mentioned there's Penguin 929 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,360 has the the cute little bird and and that scene and Catwoman, 930 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,760 because she's a cat, eats the bird and then opens her mouth 931 00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,280 and the bird flies out. And that was a real bird that 932 00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,800 Michelle Pfeiffer. She swallowed a real bird. 933 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,280 She put it in her mouth. She was like, I'm doing this in. 934 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080 One take. She is so fucking cool. 935 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,120 Absolutely. She's cool. 936 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,160 All the whip stuff. Michelle Pfeiffer. 937 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,520 Did you have to see the Internet video I've seen? 938 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,440 It I've seen and I'm just kind of like. 939 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,920 There's. So what we're talking about 940 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:27,320 audience, is the scene where Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman is 941 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,760 raiding a department store and she walks in and whips out her 942 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,480 her whip and whips out, whips off the heads of four 943 00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,360 mannequins. Yeah, no fuck ups and all in a 944 00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:38,840 row. Yeah. 945 00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:40,680 And there's a video on the. Internet of. 946 00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,600 Just the shot of her doing that and then everybody cheering on 947 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,640 set as soon as she's done. And so watching it in this in 948 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:51,160 they they keep the shot of her whip, of her whipping off 3 of 949 00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,320 the hats of the heads. And they cut away before the 950 00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,400 4th. And I'm just like, no, why would 951 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,960 you cut away? You need to show her do the 952 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,120 entire thing. Oh, yeah, that's a shame. 953 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,520 Yeah, no, but. It it's fucking iconic and cool 954 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,160 and that video isn't it. You can hear Tim Burton say cut 955 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,800 and then the whole fucking erupts. 956 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,840 It's amazing and. Michelle is thrilled because she 957 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,520 fucking well, apparently they didn't want her to do it. 958 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,520 They were like, no, we're going. To train someone to do it and 959 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,600 they'll do it and we will was shooting behind or whatever and 960 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,600 she's like, no, I do this. Michelle Pfeiffer, she went out 961 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,200 and did it in the first. Take amazing. 962 00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,640 Just her. Pussy is on fire. 963 00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,600 And on that note, why don't we take a break? 964 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,800 Carl Bryan, How? Influential, do you? 965 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,760 Think this movie is on your the sexual or any sexual fetishes 966 00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,520 that you might have very. Like I think this is a very 967 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,560 heterosexual movie. Like heterosexual, but. 968 00:48:15,720 --> 00:48:20,640 Sexual and fetishistic? Yeah, women are fetishized. 969 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,240 Men are fetishized. This was the thing that I was 970 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:25,280 noticing again. I think we were talking about 971 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,360 this, you know how you have a different reading on it as an 972 00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,040 adult than you do when you're as a kid? 973 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,120 You're just like, I don't understand why these two people 974 00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,360 are on the bed with each other. And I don't know why this scene 975 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,680 is going on so long as an adult, you're just like, OK, oh, 976 00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:41,200 they're all insane. I love that. 977 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,000 And and like and like fully like the joke of, of of when, when 978 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,400 Penguin is being disgusting to Catwoman and Catwoman is like 979 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,800 you make you're disgusting. You make me want to take a bath. 980 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,400 And then she licks herself and starts doing the cat thing. 981 00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,680 And it's a hilarious joke. But it's also, like I mentioned 982 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:04,160 earlier, how I like how clear all of the characterization is 983 00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,720 in this movie. Penguin's a great place to start 984 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,280 with that. There isn't actually any 985 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,960 difference between plot and character. 986 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,920 Everyone is like plotting character are two separate 987 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,480 things. Not ideally. 988 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,680 Ideally plot drives character. Character drives plot. 989 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:21,640 So like Penguins plot in this is first of all, you see why he's 990 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,760 as fucked up as he is and he was mistreated as by his parents as 991 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,160 a as an infant, abandoned by them. 992 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,720 And then, you know, raised like when he's introduced, he has a 993 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,120 clear motivation. It's that he wants to come to 994 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,360 the surface, find his parents and gain respect to people like 995 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,440 he Penguin is motivated by wanting to make a connection 996 00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,360 that he was always denied for his entire life. 997 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,360 Now the, the, the tragic flaw of the Penguin is that because he 998 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,440 was, he had all this childhood trauma, he can't do that. 999 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:01,720 So he's always reaching out to people and trying to, you know, 1000 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,680 trying to connect in the way that that he was never able to. 1001 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,000 But he can't do it because he's, you know, because because of his 1002 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,280 upbringing, he was raised, you know, fairly by Penguins. 1003 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,000 So he can never really, he can never not be a freak. 1004 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,880 He can never not be a monster. And so then in the second act of 1005 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,640 the movie, he goes from this ascension into the world that he 1006 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,080 finally gets everything he wants and that it all comes crashing 1007 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,440 down in the end. And so then the climax of the 1008 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,680 movie is him seeking his vengeance on the people that 1009 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,720 have always shunned him. I have a different reading. 1010 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,080 What is your reading of the? Penguin. 1011 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,200 I think the Penguin. Always came into it. 1012 00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:40,600 Always with bad vibes. I think he got distracted. 1013 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,920 I think Max Shrek manipulated him into doing the mayoral 1014 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:44,520 stuff. Yeah. 1015 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,000 He didn't really want to do that shit. 1016 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,440 He just wanted to kill those kids. 1017 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,160 That's all he wanted from the start of the movie. 1018 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080 So there's that shot at the start of the movie where the 1019 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,000 Batman's watching him. Yes. 1020 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,680 And he rolls by the Batmobile and Penguins inside, like the 1021 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,640 library looking up shit. And you can see it's like papers 1022 00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,920 with babies be hands printed on them. 1023 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,280 So he's like doing that shit real early on. 1024 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,840 He's he's his plan is like in place all he want, he's pretty 1025 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,960 irredeemable. All he wants to do is fucking 1026 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,800 kill those kids. So that's it to me. 1027 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,640 That's my reading of it, yeah. Interesting. 1028 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,080 I think that's all. All he wants is to get in, kill 1029 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,400 those kids, get his revenge. He just wants revenge on the 1030 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560 city. So you think you're the Penguin 1031 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,480 plot? Is more kind of a mystery that 1032 00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,800 needs to be solved. Yeah, like and also his. 1033 00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,640 Parents, he knows they're dead. He he he always did. 1034 00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,200 And he's like whole thing of that being like Dragic inside. 1035 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,840 It's all it's all for for show, which the movie shows us, right. 1036 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,600 But I think he's the leader of a crime syndicate. 1037 00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,880 He's a very smart, intelligent person. 1038 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,480 He knows what he's doing. The mayor thing is just fun 1039 00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,640 thing that he got sidetracked with, but he's manipulated into 1040 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,040 doing that. Interesting. 1041 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:52,000 Yeah. I I mean. 1042 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,640 Look that it could be worse. My nose could be gushing blood. 1043 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,600 Yeah, I. Love how all the characters in 1044 00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,640 the movie are foils for Batman in different ways. 1045 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,840 Penguin is a foil for Batman in the because Batman's trauma as 1046 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,440 well as a childhood trauma. Well, Batman and Penguin are the 1047 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,720 same because. Like, yeah, it's weird. 1048 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:15,400 They're all tangentially connected with Batman identifies 1049 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,640 with Max Shrek, he identifies with Catwoman, and he identifies 1050 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,640 with Penguin, which I guess is why the movie is called Batman 1051 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,520 Returns. But yeah, it's weird that they 1052 00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,480 are all shadows of Batman in a weird way. 1053 00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,560 Let's talk about Max Shrek though, because like, like. 1054 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,000 This is the he's almost kind of the primary antagonist because 1055 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,480 he's the one that that everybody circles around. 1056 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,360 Yeah. Christopher Walken is 1057 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,480 Christopher Walken. I love the. 1058 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,200 Side note in this. Like obviously the design and 1059 00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,680 everything is great. The Senate, the special effects 1060 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:47,120 are great, but I love how expressive the hair is in Batman 1061 00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,760 Returns. Like, like, like, because Selena 1062 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:54,640 Kyle's hair goes from like, like, like dowdy to crazy. 1063 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,160 Yeah. So like, then in the end of the 1064 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:57,960 movie, it's like puffing out of her costume. 1065 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,560 I love that when it like that cowl is like. 1066 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,680 Encasing it, but there's like, giant puffs. 1067 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,320 Yeah, that's such a Tim Burton ISM, isn't it? 1068 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,880 Max Shrek is. Max Trek is a foil for Bruce 1069 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,640 Wayne. Where Bruce Wayne's hair is all 1070 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,200 nicely done, Max Trek's hair is a big. 1071 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,280 Crazy Gray. And like White and yeah. 1072 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,160 And then Penguin as well has this. 1073 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,880 This like, like his, his hair is matted and gross. 1074 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,240 And I think it even goes as far as then you could say Batman. 1075 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,160 You'd never see Batman's hair when he's wearing the costume. 1076 00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,960 It's all completely covered and restricted and like shut away. 1077 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,400 That's interesting when he's wearing the color. 1078 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,600 Yeah. Anyway. 1079 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,320 That's very well, very well considered. 1080 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,040 I'm not surprised this movie is the the design in this movie 1081 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,880 isn't. A lot of thought went into this 1082 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,800 movie for sure. So that's cool. 1083 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:45,680 That's a cool thing. I'd say that is on purpose. 1084 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,240 Can we talk about feminism? And the role of happy woman? 1085 00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,640 Let's please. Yeah, she's treated like dirt, 1086 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:57,280 and the sad part is about Selena Kyle is that she's on board with 1087 00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,840 it at the start of the movie. Like she, she's shit to herself. 1088 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,960 Like she puts herself down. She's OK and she's like 1089 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,360 listening to her phone messages and she's, oh, I love the 1090 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,400 scenes. I love the. 1091 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,840 Scenes the two scenes in her apartment, yes, where she comes 1092 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,800 home before she's turned into Catwoman versus when she comes 1093 00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,760 home after she's so good are just. 1094 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,000 That is cinema. She's. 1095 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,040 On automatic pilot, yes and just. 1096 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,160 As in you have that apartment. Carl Oh yeah, pink apartment. 1097 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,240 Hello there. Yes. 1098 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,800 Oh, I love that the the design of that apartment where it's 1099 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:35,080 pink, but like you can see that it's like steel beams that have 1100 00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,080 been spray painted pink. Well, it's great and it's just a 1101 00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,280 great way to show character. Very, very good way to show 1102 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,720 character development is just have a scene where a character 1103 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:48,360 is one way, and then have a similar scene later where you 1104 00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,640 can just show the differences in that character. 1105 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,240 Yeah, it's such a good that montage of her putting. 1106 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:57,440 Her suit together and like it's such a great exercise in like 1107 00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,080 they don't really explain what Catwoman is or like, is it a 1108 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,080 supernatural thing? What the fuck happened? 1109 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,000 Did a bunch of cats just bring her back to life? 1110 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,280 Why? Who fucking cares? 1111 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,000 She comes home. You just know she's bummed out 1112 00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,000 and she's and she has a full psychotic like breakdown and 1113 00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,240 makes a suit and she's Catwoman and you buy it. 1114 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,240 It just the performance works. Yeah, everything works. 1115 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,760 It it maybe shouldn't work because it's not nothing's 1116 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,880 really happened. No, but you know why she buys? 1117 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,480 It she is pushed over, let she's not only physically pushed over 1118 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,760 the edge, she is metaphorically pushed over and that's that 1119 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,840 scene where she's like. Dropped from the building. 1120 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,840 Fucking iconic, amazing cinema. I love that there are a couple 1121 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,040 of really good. Shots of falls in this that are 1122 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,480 not that kind of North by Northwest one where in when when 1123 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,760 Catwoman falls off the thing, the camera follows her and then 1124 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:52,160 she like rips through the Cam Yeah, that's amazing yeah, yeah. 1125 00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,120 And then and when and. Now OK, the. 1126 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,560 Ice Princess? Oh fuck. 1127 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,920 Is that Anna Nicole Smith? No, it couldn't be. 1128 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,760 It couldn't. Be is it can we get a producer 1129 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:04,880 listen, I don't think it is because. 1130 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,000 I I feel. Like I would know if it was 1131 00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,920 anyway that. She's the other one that then 1132 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400 gets pushed off and then Batman gets framed as as murder. 1133 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,480 That is a thing and women getting. 1134 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,640 Pushed. Yeah, that's weird, but it's, 1135 00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,440 you know, like, like that's and it's. 1136 00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,480 By men, that's. A fucking theme, yeah. 1137 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:23,800 Men being women, being pushed by men. 1138 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,960 And that's why Catwoman is such an awesome. 1139 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,480 Character, it's because she she's had enough and she pushes 1140 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,640 back and she takes all the agency on herself and is like, 1141 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,400 you know, it like has her own motivations. 1142 00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,320 Yeah, you know, is, is, you know, like, like cat burglaring 1143 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,760 and ransacking stores and stuff. Oh, and cheekily just showing up 1144 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,920 to work and being like. Selena, what do you remember? 1145 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,320 Yeah. You know, it's the. 1146 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,360 It's all a blur. Yeah. 1147 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,800 She's just cheekily saying I know you fucking killed me, 1148 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,840 tried to kill me and I, I own you now, bitch. 1149 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,320 Yeah, it's terrific. Yeah. 1150 00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:03,040 One of the things that I. Saw pointed out was like, again, 1151 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,920 we were talking about the merchandising and the kind of 1152 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,880 consumer aspect of Batman and the Batman franchise. 1153 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,520 Yeah, and somebody hit the nail on the head by saying that's why 1154 00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,560 Ian is saying it's not Anna Nicole Smith, the ice Princess. 1155 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:24,240 Ice Princess Christy Conway. Oh yeah, excellent. 1156 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,920 Job Christy Conway. She related to Kellyanne. 1157 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,040 Conway I hope not. I hope not anyway, because 1158 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,360 because of the. Consumerist like aspect of 1159 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,560 Batman and the Batman franchise that's why Tim Burton decided to 1160 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,680 set it at Christmas time oh wow yeah and there's. 1161 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:43,880 So much like there's so many fucking like apartments or not 1162 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,480 department, sorry, a department store is on fire. 1163 00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,680 Like that scene at the start where Batman is fully fucking 1164 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,520 killing people, like murdering them on yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1165 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,120 But he this is the thing. Batman does. 1166 00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,800 Is he to? Flip sees Batmobile around to 1167 00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,520 set a man on fucking to emulate a man, but he also emulates. 1168 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,640 So this is the thing. The store, the man. 1169 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,400 The man is in front of a store. The store also catches fire. 1170 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:06,960 Do you know what the store is selling? 1171 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:10,400 What Batman merchandise? Yes, yes, I heard about. 1172 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,600 This well and then the other one like yeah he's fighting goons 1173 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,960 and and the one goon comes at him with a a big thing of TNT 1174 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,040 and he like shoves the TNT back at the goon kicks the goon down 1175 00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,400 through a glass thing and then like blows the goon up and 1176 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,760 that's delighted he's like. Yeah, yeah, Batman is fully, 1177 00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,360 he's fully getting a bat boner in that. 1178 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,320 He is. Fully fucking horribly murdering 1179 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,640 these people. It's fascinating. 1180 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,760 I don't know what what other themes do. 1181 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,240 We have in Batman. I mean, there's, yeah, there's. 1182 00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:46,240 There's, I guess there's the the whole theme of like, I don't 1183 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,160 know, like underground, like monsters. 1184 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,640 Like to me, the film is occupied with Hammer Horror era monsters 1185 00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,840 and like what is Hammer Horror era? 1186 00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:58,640 So. Like like your. 1187 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,920 Frankenstein Dracula like the idea of like the the real 1188 00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,360 monster is is is Max Shrek. That's yeah. 1189 00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,720 I think we've already kind of touched on it and talked about 1190 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,000 it, but it's fun that there's like these, there's this 1191 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,720 menagerie of, of freaks and the one that isn't the freak is 1192 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,680 actually the most horrific person of all of them. 1193 00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,040 Yeah. And it's strange, the movies. 1194 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:20,960 In love. Like that's what's excellent 1195 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,400 about the movie is it really loves these characters. 1196 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:26,480 Like even Penguin, who's a deplorable character, he gets 1197 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,160 this weird like funeral at the end with the Penguins. 1198 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:32,040 That's fucking adorable. Like it's the cutest thing in 1199 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,240 the world. And it's genuinely I'm like, I 1200 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,800 feel sad. I don't know why I would, but I 1201 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040 do. This is the movie wants. 1202 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,240 I feel sad that this experience is finished now. 1203 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,520 You know, I think the movie I want you to feel sad about the. 1204 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:45,880 Tragedy of the Penguin. Like, I mean, they, they, they, 1205 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,320 it's really a case of like, Tim Burton understands that. 1206 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:55,000 Like he understands why the Penguin is the way he is and 1207 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,800 thinks that that is something that you should feel empathy for 1208 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,160 and tragedy about, you know, like that, that this, this, this 1209 01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,040 poor. Monsters circumstances led him 1210 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,120 to this life and ultimately killed him. 1211 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,720 And he's like, look, you know, like, let's give it a little bit 1212 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:13,160 of pathos, even if it's by having the pallbearers be 1213 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,240 emperor Penguin, which which is very Frankenstein too. 1214 01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,520 Right, like that. The idea of like a tragic 1215 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:24,000 monster and just tragically dying and, and, and like it 1216 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:25,120 being a bummer, you know what I mean? 1217 01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:26,760 The audience to empathize with it. 1218 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,720 But it's the same with Catwoman too. 1219 01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,240 She is a monster like that. Like the way, like she's a 1220 01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:36,040 monster through the way that it hurt the expressionist 1221 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,640 expressionism of the suit, like the idea that it's stitched 1222 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,080 together. Yeah, she fully looks. 1223 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,960 I was thinking. About this like, and Tim Burton 1224 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,400 loves like a corpse and like a sewed together corpse. 1225 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,640 And so it reminded me of Sally from my hair before Christmas, 1226 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:50,600 right? Yeah, Tim Burton is. 1227 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,320 Obsessed with that because like in Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, 1228 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,640 Monica Belushi's character is basically the corpse bride 1229 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,200 again, a stitched up woman. But yeah, and it's fascinating. 1230 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,640 It's it's, it's a really interesting, like a stitched up 1231 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,920 woman. Like, what is that symbol 1232 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:07,320 symbology? It's it's, it's a woman, I 1233 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,000 guess, on the edge, a woman who's like, but I guess that's 1234 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,760 not what maybe it's more like because she took that garment. 1235 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,360 It's a little silly, but she takes a garment, cuts it up and 1236 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,680 makes it into a suit that empowers her. 1237 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,680 Maybe it's again, it's a commercialism thing. 1238 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,040 It's a take on let's take it apart and put it back together 1239 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,200 again. I think it is a feminism thing, 1240 01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,920 I think. It's a that that kind of sewing 1241 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,240 and textiles work is a traditionally woman's medium. 1242 01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,440 And so it is that she's she is she's subverting the that well, 1243 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,120 not and not even subverting it. She's like, she's like saying, 1244 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,840 Oh yeah, like like I'm going to the I think specifically that 1245 01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,600 the, the sequence of her sewing together, her costume is this 1246 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:55,840 like very feminine power, you know, thing that she does where 1247 01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,680 she's like, I am a woman. Here are some of the powers that 1248 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,160 I have as a woman, and I'm going to use those to, you know, get 1249 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,760 out of the the rut that I'm in. Even the music is very like 1250 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,960 horror. Music, it's like it's very like 1251 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,680 ominous. And before we wrap up this 1252 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,320 segment. Obviously the music is great. 1253 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,040 Danny Elfman is. I think it's his best score. 1254 01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:18,920 Period. Yeah. 1255 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,760 And I think the only points where it's a little. 1256 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,240 Bit of like weak are just like some of the action sequences 1257 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,840 then where like Batman is being attacked by clowns and Danny 1258 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,800 Elfman does the like boom chap, boom chap, bomb chap, bomb chap, 1259 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,600 bomb chap and I'm like Danny. This is kind of taking me out of 1260 01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:37,200 the scene a little bit. Yeah, There's one act there's. 1261 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,040 One fight scene between him and Catwoman and it's so clunky 1262 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,840 where they're like they're doing like they're exchanging liners 1263 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,080 and she's like eat floor and he goes high fibre. 1264 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:49,320 It's like, yeah, it's like the dumbest and they're like 1265 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,920 exchanging. It's very clunky. 1266 01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,920 But I honestly, it's got it. There's a lot of characters. 1267 01:02:56,920 --> 01:02:59,840 It's kind of fun. I I kind of forgive it too. 1268 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,160 You can forgive anything in this movie. 1269 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,520 It's fucking yeah because like. 2 seconds later the ice cream 1270 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,000 gets fucking. Murdered horribly and they're 1271 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,760 all like it's Batman. He. 1272 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,720 Did it? And Commissioner Gordon's like, 1273 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,200 no, that's a great sequence. I I used to watch that a lot. 1274 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:18,000 The scene where he, his Cape becomes a paraglider. 1275 01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,640 Oh yeah, yeah, that's amazing. I think I had that. 1276 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,720 Toy too. Did you have the bat ski boat? 1277 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,040 No, Oh no. You know what? 1278 01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,760 I. Had I had this, I had from 1279 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,960 Batman Forever, the Bat plane. Oh yeah, and you could take. 1280 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,160 Off the wings and it was. The because you know, in the 1281 01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,240 movie, the plane gets shot down and, and it becomes like a thing 1282 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,760 you could take off the the wings and it became like a, a thing 1283 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,000 you could bring to the bathroom. Honestly, I've forgotten a lot 1284 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,040 about Batman. Forever. 1285 01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,680 But if anybody really wants us to watch Batman Forever, they 1286 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,080 can write into it. Batman Forever is what this. 1287 01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,160 Movie Batman Returns is making fun of 100%. 1288 01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,000 That's a very good point. The Ultra. 1289 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,280 Commercialization of Batman. Cool. 1290 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:02,520 Yeah. Anyway, Brian, why don't we? 1291 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:04,680 Take a break. We'll wrap this up shortly. 1292 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:37,240 Let's go. For the audience, Ian just 1293 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,680 belched and said let's do a voice and what a what a festive 1294 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,520 way. To bring this, I think, I think 1295 01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,240 on that. Note I think we'll break for the 1296 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,640 season. Why don't? 1297 01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,200 We, on behalf of Carl and I, we'd like to. 1298 01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,840 Wish all our listenership a very Merry Christmas. 1299 01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:59,840 Carl, have you anything to express or I just wanted to say 1300 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:01,720 this is? One of the reasons why I 1301 01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,000 suggested this is because it's one of the ones that always 1302 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,040 comes up when people are being cheeky and and talking about 1303 01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,520 alternate how like Christmas movies. 1304 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,840 Well, Christmas is that weird time where? 1305 01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,000 It really brings that part out of you. 1306 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,960 Like either you're like, I love Christmas, this is amazing. 1307 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,560 I'm really in the vibes, or you're like, get it the fuck 1308 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:27,040 away from me immediately. Me, I get sick of Christmas. 1309 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,000 I like it at first. I like it like in November and 1310 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,680 and early December and then I'm like, get me the fuck away from 1311 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,240 all of this. So do you? 1312 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,240 Do you like these? Kind of alternative Christmas 1313 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,000 movies. Are you a are you a die hard 1314 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,200 Christmas watcher? No, I don't like die. 1315 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,720 Hard I think also gremlins is a great. 1316 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,480 One though, yeah. The Gremlins is the anti 1317 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,200 Christmas movie and also anti commercial and that's. 1318 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,640 Kind of why like The Batman Returns is a is a alternate 1319 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:57,520 Christmas classic actually. Like it's. 1320 01:05:57,520 --> 01:06:00,480 For the Goths. That are like you know, yeah, 1321 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,240 this is too materialistic. You know it. 1322 01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,440 You know it subverts all that. Although BAT member terms like. 1323 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,840 Die hard. I don't know if this is a 1324 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,040 tangent, but they both came out during the summers. 1325 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,560 Yeah, yeah. Which is weird that you you have 1326 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,280 like. A summer movie set in Christmas 1327 01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,280 time. They did this. 1328 01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,720 I think they did this. Back in the day, they were like, 1329 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,440 OK, so we'll make it for Christmas. 1330 01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,680 And then they miss the target or they want to take the time to 1331 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,320 make the movie or whatever. They're like, Oh yeah, we'll 1332 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,120 still hit the home video market for Christmas. 1333 01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:29,560 So either way, it's a Christmas. It doesn't matter. 1334 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,320 And it's true. Movies are released several 1335 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,400 Times Now. It goes the other way now they 1336 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,840 they bump. Blockbusters to Christmas 1337 01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,680 because, you know, like James Cameron figured that out with 1338 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,960 Titanic. He was like, wait a minute, give 1339 01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,960 me a little bit of extra time. And instead of making this 1340 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,320 summer blockbuster, we're going to release this at Christmas 1341 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,080 time and everybody is at home and everybody can do nothing 1342 01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,080 except watch movies and there's no summer competition. 1343 01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,120 I don't think they can predict the box office. 1344 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,160 Anymore, I genuinely don't know. I don't think anybody they know 1345 01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,800 when is a good. Time to release a movie. 1346 01:06:58,800 --> 01:06:59,560 Anymore. Yeah. 1347 01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,400 So like, yeah, like, like. Netflix having Guillermo del 1348 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,280 Toro's Frankenstein, which should have been the you, which 1349 01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,160 you would assume you would release October 1st and have 1350 01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,040 everybody watch it all spooky season. 1351 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:16,120 Instead it comes out after Halloween. 1352 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,440 What were they thinking? Yeah, I I, I don't know. 1353 01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:21,040 I. I think there's a weird thing 1354 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:24,080 about Netflix wanting to purposefully sabotage 1355 01:07:24,120 --> 01:07:25,520 themselves. Well, they. 1356 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,600 Don't want the cinema? Release to They want it, they 1357 01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,840 want it, They want an award season contender, so it has to 1358 01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,000 release within a certain window, They don't want it. 1359 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,240 They have to move it into cinemas because of some deal or 1360 01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,720 whatever to get it awards. But yeah, it's, it's, it's dirty 1361 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,400 deals. That's my take take anyways. 1362 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,040 What kind of movies are you going to be watching over 1363 01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,000 Christmas, Brian? What are your Hollywood or 1364 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,640 holiday standards? Oh, you know I really love. 1365 01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,480 That animated spider Man movie, I come back to that a lot. 1366 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:53,240 The Into the Spider verse. Yeah, it's a Christmas. 1367 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:55,480 Movie per SE. And this year, I'm going to 1368 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,480 definitely rewatch. I don't think it's it might be a 1369 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,440 Christmas movie, but Gremlins 2. Oh, yeah. 1370 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,480 Because Gremlins 3 was announced by Bang. 1371 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:03,960 All right. Yeah. 1372 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:05,800 So. Yeah, I think I'm. 1373 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,040 Going to see if I can get Steven. 1374 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:11,680 To watch the Star Trek movies with me, some of the original 1375 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,040 ones, because I love watching those. 1376 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,840 No, he'll never think. I'm curious what he'll think of 1377 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,359 the the 4th 1. Is it the fourth one that that I 1378 01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:20,319 love? That I hate you. 1379 01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:21,240 Love. Yeah. 1380 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:23,439 The one with the whales. The fucking. 1381 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,520 Terrible. And then, of course, Ian. 1382 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,760 And I are going to watch. It's a Wonderful Life and you're 1383 01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,279 careful. About which version you watch, 1384 01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,920 right, Like, because you know, there's like, yeah, there's some 1385 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,720 there's a weird version out there that's like so the music, 1386 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,319 the licensing or whatever, there's like a cheapo version 1387 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,520 that they put out and that's what's on TV or whatever. 1388 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,840 It's like the cheaper version, but like the original is like 1389 01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,560 very hard to track down. Well, this is one of Ian's 1390 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,640 favorite movie. So we will be sure to watch the 1391 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,600 good version. And it's It's a Wonderful Life. 1392 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,840 Yeah. I can't stand. 1393 01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,600 It fully it's yeah, it's. It's a nice here, Ian, do you 1394 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:05,120 want to come to the mic and justify It's a Wonderful Life? 1395 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,520 Then I will support my husband and say that anything that he 1396 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,800 wants to do for Christmas I will do because I love him. 1397 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,040 Yeah, I will, on behalf of the audience. 1398 01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:15,680 I'll, I'll just stand up here for the podcast and just say 1399 01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,359 it's not a good movie. It's stupid. 1400 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,120 Well, on that note. Now that Brian has been put on 1401 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:26,600 every time Naughty puts down a. Movie an Angel gets. 1402 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,160 I can't think of any more appropriate way to end this 1403 01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:37,319 holiday episode of Queens Video season's greetings. 1404 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,760 Do you say Happy Christmas and Happy Holidays to all. 1405 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,880 We'll see you all in the. New Year, and in the meantime, 1406 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,200 everybody get home safe. Hope your flights aren't hit by, 1407 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,040 you know, horrible blizzards and, you know, stay subscribing 1408 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:54,600 to Queen's video. We've got some movies to talk 1409 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:55,360 about. You jinx them. 1410 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:56,880 You jinx them. Yeah, damn it. 1411 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:59,840 OK, bye. Brian, Merry Christmas, Happy 1412 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:12,560 Christmas. 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