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On this episode of Queen's 
video, Greg Baker is back, baby 

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to discuss Grindhouse. 
We also review ARCO, Project, 

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Hail Mary, and of course, Wicked
for good. 

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Welcome to Queens Video, 
everybody. 

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I'm Carl Swanson. 
I'm Brian Griffin. 

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And we have a very special 
guest. 

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He's back on the podcast. 
He's a massive hit, and we are 

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so excited to hear what he has 
to say about several movies. 

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Back, back again, ladies and 
gentlemen, welcome back Greg 

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Baker. 
Ladies and gentle themes, 

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welcome back Greg Baker. 
Thank you so much for having. 

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Me Oh, very excited It. 
It has been a pleasure. 

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I think it's been about a year 
since we had you on last. 

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Time it's been about that. 
Yep. 

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How have you been? 
How's life? 

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Quite legit dairy legend. 
Quite like legs and dairy. 

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That's fantastic. 
Legs and dairy. 

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Good Wife DUP job DUP. 
Your boyfriend is the cutest 

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too. 
I haven't met your boyfriend. 

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Shout out to Kevin. 
He's been here. 

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Kevin. 
Kevin. 

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Well, this is the thing. 
I feel like every time Kevin and

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you and I hang out, it is in a 
massive crowd. 

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And I'm sorry. 
I will bleep his name if he 

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wants to remain and I that's 
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And so, yeah, like he, he seems 
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And it seems like every time 
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in the worst possible social 
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It's just like really chaotic 
and then we're like, okay, well 

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goodnight, we'll have like a 
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okay. 
No, he makes you're lovely. 

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We'll have a nice candle at 
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Brian and me and Ian and Kevin 
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It'll be fantastic. 
Love it. 

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Beautiful, beautiful. 
But yeah, life's good. 

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Still watching movies I've 
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I watched more Oscar movies than
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entire life. 
Like I made a concerted effort 

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this year to watch as many of 
the Oscars. 

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You were rhyming off a few. 
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have. 
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but do you want to just kind of 
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idea of what your thoughts have 
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for Oscars this year? 
I think the winners were well 

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deserved. 
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just about anything that 
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far as who got what best 
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Honestly, I'm not often moved to
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Oh yeah. 
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Hamlet. 
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Holy it is. 
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especially like the last 30 
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devastating but also like heart 
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So she really really deserved 
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Sinners was pretty much my 
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Last year, I wonder if we even 
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were on the podcast the last 
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I should have listened to it, 
but we like that came out in 

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like March of last year. 
I think we made Did it come? 

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Out. 
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It came out for Easter. 
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We'll have come back, roll the 
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Did we talk about it? 
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No idea. 
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professional. 
I should have fucking reviewed 

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the last episode that you were 
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And so here's what you said 
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is why you're dumb. 
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battle after another. 
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another? 
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fun. 
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expected. 
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Like president, I think we 
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the actual situation when they 
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How? 
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known and? 
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Kevin, my partner, while we were
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wait, when did this come out? 
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Wait, script was written a month
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They did all production in two 
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Both production one week. 
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It's like the South Park of 
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No, I'm kidding. 
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satisfying as like Hamnet or 
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as much of A kick, especially 
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Hamnet didn't. 
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then that you brought up when we
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haven't even heard discussed at 
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And that was the best animated 
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So, Greg, tell us about Arco. 
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kind of caught in the moment 
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prepared myself a little more. 
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produced it. 
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but tell us what's it about. 
It's about a child's named Marco

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who comes from a distant future 
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of like man made trees in the 
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sustain their civilization 
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travel. 
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to be able to travel to very 
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quickly. 
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away because it really, I went 
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and that really lent itself to 
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So it's primarily about Arco, 
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relationship that ARCO builds 
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these like, remote suburban 
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there's like a huge 
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where they both live. 
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like fantastical high sci-fi 
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other child is living in this 
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future suburban neighborhood. 
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of a fish out of water, but it's
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It looks beautiful. 
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kind of childish sort of 
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it's very beautiful. 
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much it it really is one of 
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you not knowing the least 
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Possible. 
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But it is such an emotional 
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It is a incredibly emotional 
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And I would say out of all the 
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affected me the most. 
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Cool. 
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It looks like it's and it's it's
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It looked like. 
That's right. 

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like it looks vaguely anime, but
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that a lot of that kind of style
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Miyazaki kind of. 
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as we know that like Miyazaki 
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sort of like emphasis on food 
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very Miyazaki esque. 
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fish out of waters, whimsical 
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both of these child's existence.
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rambling a little bit about 
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know, and then the the villains 
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well. 
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like comedic villains and it's 
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villains of the movie and it's 
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between the two children. 
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Exactly, they are a bit team 

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rockety. 
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called again? 
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On this be like surrender now 
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Me, out, me. 
That's right. 

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Movie or ES, but there's some 
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but there's some stuff, there's 
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going to be like, OK, let's talk
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I'm trying to look this up 
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fantastic and I'm sure you'll be
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Greg. 
They're a bunch of voices, 

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really famous voices too. 
Like it's, it's it's really 

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like, yeah, you're right. 
It is a French movie. 

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But the English voice actors, 
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The Hulk. 
Mark. 

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Ruffalo, yeah. 
Mark Ruffalo's in it. 

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He plays. 
He plays one of the fathers. 

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There are a lot of like, 
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In it. 
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looking it up on IMDb, but of 
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French, Yeah. 
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I want to say the Christian bell
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Kristen. 
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Yep, that and that rings a bell.
Damn it, Hold on, hold on, hold.

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On Well listen if you can 
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voice cast of Arco. 
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Videopodcast@gmail.com. 
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not have. 
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To do a Google search for 
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Oh, Natalie Portman. 
That's right. 

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Natalie Portman plays the 
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Mark Ruffalo plays the father. 
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mother. 
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villains. 
Who else? 

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Andy Sandberg is like one of the
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It's just like a really a bunch 
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That is a good voice cast. 
I like all of them. 

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The one I clocked right away was
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I was like, that's Will 
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Yeah. 
Inescapable. 

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good. 
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villain, yeah, he's amazing. 
Cast will. 

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Ferrell. 
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villain. 
Mogato. 

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Mogato Yeah, in Lego Movie. 
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head. 
Mr. Head. 

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Is that what he's called? 
I can't remember. 

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end. 
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I I saw something hilarious, 
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because you know how like 
spaghetti westerns are westerns 

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that were produced in Italy and 
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like it's like Italian, you 
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tropes there. 
Somebody had a name for anime 

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that is not produced in Asia, 
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Airbender or even even going to 
as far as like The Karate Kid or

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that kind of thing. 
And the name and it's I can't, I

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think it's it's not hamburger 
hentai or hamburger manga. 

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It's like hamburger hamburger 
something or other. 

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And it's because spaghetti 
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So hamburger hamburger hentai is
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And hamburger hentai. 
I wouldn't describe article as a

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hamburger hentai. 
But we also that's not what 

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hentai is. 
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seen Project Hail Mary yet. 
No, I have not. 

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OK, you have to go see Project 
Hail Mary. 

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I really want to Brian and I saw
it so like Brian. 

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I'll plug my ears, honestly. 
No, there's nothing to spoil. 

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I think everything. 
Because everything's in the 

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trailer, but it's still very 
compelling. 

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So Project Hail Mary is the new 
Brian or Brian Gosling, Ryan 

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Gosling movie that came out. 
He like it's this, it's this 

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high science action adventure, 
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Core, they're calling it. 
The kids are calling. 

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It you know what somebody said. 
I want to talk about Hope Corps 

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when we're done talking about 
this because I have, I've talked

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about Hope Corps before and like
the video game storytelling, 

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right? 
But yes, yes, Hope Corps, I love

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this. 
This is part of the Hope Corps 

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of. 
True. 

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But I mean, I also like somebody
said it's an adventure. 

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And I was like, oh, yeah, it's 
it's just, it's an adventure. 

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Yeah. 
It's it's about Ryan Gosling. 

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It's yet another movie where the
sun is dying and they have to 

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restart the sun. 
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sense. 
It's written by the the it's 

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adapted from a book that was 
written by the guy that did The 

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Martian. 
Yes. 

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Andy Weir. 
Yeah, Andy Weir and the 

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directors are the Spider verse 
directors. 

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Right, Phil Lord and Chris Lord 
and Phil. 

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Lord. 
And so this movie takes place. 

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It's it's kind of in two 
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Half of it is is Ryan Gosling on
the spaceship trying to solve 

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the mystery of of, you know, how
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And then the other half of it is
kind of his getting roped into 

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Project Hail Mary, which is the 
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space. 
And with Sandra Huler, who is at

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her. 
Sandra Huler. 

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I honestly think she's the 
secret assassin. 

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I think she's the. 
Magic. 

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No, no, no, no makes it. 
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secret assassin in that movie is
Rocky, the space alien sidekick 

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that he meets at, Tao said. 
Hey. 

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Carl, there's a space alien 
sidekick. 

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Oh my God. 
So far did. 

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You catch that rocky is not a 
water based life form. 

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Yes, Yeah. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
Thank you. 

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Well, and this is the thing. 
So there are so many elements in

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Project Hail Mary that just tie 
together because it's perfectly.

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It's just masterfully. 
You know, like the screen 

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writing is. 
Impeccable. 

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Yeah, I would say unimpeachable.
Yeah. 

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Impeachable. 
And it's a blast. 

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And I, you know, I laughed and I
cried and I did. 

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Where did you see it, Brian? 
I saw it at the Carlton. 

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I saw it at the Carlton too. 
Shout out to Carlton cinema. 

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Everyone was like, like this 
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for IMAX, like, you know, just 
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I was like, fuck this, I'm going
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the Carlton Cinemas. 
In a packed Carlton cinema where

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the audience are fucking loving 
the movie and they're crying and

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laughing with you, that's how 
you watch a movie. 

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So, OK, yeah, Brian, what did 
you think of Project I? 

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Really wanted to hate it. 
I don't know why, but I didn't 

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want to see it and it was 
recommended and everyone said 

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it's five stars. 
Everyone was throwing. 

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It was a real wicked moment. 
Yeah, but no, you don't. 

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You actually like joy The more 
we don't do it. 

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But the 1st 20 minutes I was 
like crossing my and 

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curmudgeoning. 
I was like he is so snide. 

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I don't like that man. 
Well I can't stand him. 

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And God damn it, it melted my 
heart. 

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Exactly the 20 minute mark I was
like this is fucking a 

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masterwork. 
This is amazing, acting amazing.

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Jamie Lee Curtis moment where 
you were like, this is a 

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masterpiece. 
Yeah, it truly is though. 

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Everything's working so well. 
Yeah, it's just a really well 

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made movie and it's it's 
touching and beautiful. 

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And heartbreaking, you know, And
there's some, yeah, actions 

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sequences that like, you know, 
that they're going to be OK. 

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And it is the most hope gripping
things that you've ever seen. 

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But OK. 
So Greg, tell us what? 

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What is Hope Corps when you say 
this? 

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Well, so my interpretation of 
Hope Hope Corps, I can't 

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remember when I first heard it. 
I think I saw it in like a 

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Reddit article when I was 
talking about like Hades, the 

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the video game Hades, where 
there is no actual central 

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conflict to what's going on. 
But it is this idea that 

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everything is going to be all 
right and that all of the 

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characters, there's no kind of 
like grand betrayal or like 

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cataclysmic tragedy. 
This is my interpretation. 

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I don't know if it's like this 
in in in the movie, but this is 

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what what I how I understood 
Hope Core when talking about 

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Hades, but it was just like 
another example I think of, and 

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this might be a hot take, is the
Shining sequel. 

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Oh, wake up or not wake up. 
Doctor sleep, Doctor sleep. 

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Doctor Sleep, what are the good 
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There is a moment of tragedy in 
that movie, but the good guys 

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are kind of like always winning 
in that movie. 

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Like they're kind of like, OK, 
something bad happens. 

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They're like, OK, well, we're 
just going to go kick these bad 

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guys asses. 
And then they do, and they keep 

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winning and they keep winning, 
and they keep doing better and 

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better and better. 
And better, that could be a hot 

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take. 
Well, it could be. 

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I, I mean, I, I think that's 
possibly one interpretation, but

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I do think that. 
So I'm wrong is what you're 

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telling me. 
What's that? 

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Well, no, I just don't like 
it's, I mean, I think Project 

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Hail Mary is definitely very 
hopeful, but I do think it has 

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kind of, again, the same Andy 
Weir story thing of The Martian,

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like that thriller aspect where 
the protagonist is constantly 

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presented with problems that 
need to be solved and sometimes 

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things go very wrong and 
sometimes, you know, bad people 

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do bad things. 
I mean, I think his character is

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relatively unflappable. 
I mean that might be the core of

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it, like. 
I think that's maybe what it is,

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yeah. 
Bad stuff will happen, like 

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things can get stressful, but 
he's he's going to have a good 

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time and just be pull up himself
by his bootstraps just getting 

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and. 
He's going to win and he's. 

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Going to get, well, he's he's, I
mean, and that's The thing is 

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Ryan Gosling is kind of 
perfectly cast in that role 

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because he's endlessly 
charismatic no matter what he 

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does. 
I mean, like, you laugh with 

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him, you cry with him, but you, 
just like you, cannot take your 

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eyes off of him. 
I get bummed out by him because 

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of this and only this. 
He was famous for doing dark 

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edgy movies and then he did 
Blade Runner 2049 which is the 

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ultimate dark edgy movie and 
then it flopped and then he 

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started doing fucking family 
shit. 

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And like, I'm funny and nice 
look, I smile and I make jokes 

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and I just don't like that he 
took that direction. 

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Although he is very successful 
in it and he's he's kicking it 

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and he's terrific at it in 
projects. 

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Hail Mary 100%. 
Here's a question for the table.

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Do you think Ryan Gosling is a 
good actor? 

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Yeah, Yeah, he is. 
Why? 

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And he's hot. 
Because, I mean, he is. 

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He's always been hot. 
I don't find him attractive. 

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I think, and this is somebody, 
you know, this is something that

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comes up a lot. 
I think Ryan Gosling is very 

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good at playing that character. 
Quiet and drive, bubbly and 

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Barbie. 
He's somewhere in between there,

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you know, in Project Hail Mary 
or like, you know, like, like, 

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you know, Lars and the real 
girl. 

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He was definitely very different
in that, but I think, you know, 

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he's kind of occasionally will 
veer towards that Al Pacino 

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thing where you cast him in a 
movie because you want Al Pacino

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to play that part. 
You cast Ryan Gosling in Project

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Hail Mary because you want Ryan 
Gosling to play that part and 

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you start to lose a bit of 
differentiate. 

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Like besides the fact that like 
he had a wig on as Ken, there's 

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there can occasionally not be a 
lot of you think 

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differentiation. 
There isn't a lot of range. 

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I think she doesn't have the 
range. 

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Do you think you don't think she
has the range? 

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But do you think maybe in that 
in that sense, do you think 

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maybe Ryan Gosling maxed out on 
dark and brooding and like like 

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sexy love interests? 
And now he's sort of like 

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veering into a bit of, I guess 
maybe like a caricature of 

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himself or the plays, the things
that he plays are like 

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caricatures of what he's doing 
taking seriously for. 

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Yeah, I I don't think it's bad 
acting. 

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Like I think he's a very good 
actor. 

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I just, I just don't. 
He's not. 

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He's now Pacino actor, not a 
Meryl Streep actor. 

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I think you're right to bring it
up, Carl. 

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I think we have to look at it 
sideways to understand it fully,

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no? 
Sideways was Paul G Maddie. 

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I think he's. 
Sandra, sorry. 

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I think he's a great actor, but 
yeah, you have absolute great 

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points. 
Yeah. 

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Thank you and yes I do. 
I want him to do more. 

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Blade Runner I know well that 
Blade Runner Blade I don't hate 

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that Blade Runner movie. 
We so. 

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You've never seen it or you 
hate. 

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It no, I didn't hate it the 
first time. 

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I thought Brian took Ian and me 
to go see this. 

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Is kind of a tragedy. 
Blade Runner 2049 in the 

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Sinosphere. 
In the IMAX. 

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In the Sinosphere. 
The next week, they shut it 

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down. 
Unexpected. 

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And now it's going to be a spa. 
Great. 

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So right into Doug. 4 big they 
used to have big movie nights 

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there Well what? 
Yeah, I. 

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See, they did like all the 
Christopher Nolans and stuff 

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there. 
Yeah, what was the one the the 

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the one shot World War One 
movie. 

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Oh yeah, War 2 movie. 
Yeah, that was their opening 

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movie I can't remember the name 
of. 

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It. 
I watched that there. 

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What is it? 
19. 01917. 1917, yeah. 

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Which which year of World War 
One was that about? 

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That's great. 
But OK, Speaking of big movies 

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though, Greg, we would be remiss
to have you back on the podcast 

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if we didn't get your opinion on
Wicked for good. 

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The second part of the Wicked 
Cinematic Universe. 

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The birth of my villain arc. 
Greg, what did you think after 

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all of the drama that we have 
went through the three of us 

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about Wicked Part 1, what did 
you think of Wicked Part? 

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Two colossal disappointment. 
Couldn't figure out what it was.

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It lost its whimsy, it lost it's
like it's it's quirk and it was 

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like I've turned into a weird 
superhero movie. 

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I still love Cynthia Revo. 
So what's the deal? 

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Is it because is it that it 
tries to be very dark? 

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Like it goes the dark route? 
It's like. 

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Yeah, kind of. 
And like you know. 

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It's not a bad approach like 
because I think of it like I I 

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like that idea, the idea of it 
having not seen the movie at. 

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All it moves very fast, but this
is also a criticism of the 

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second like the second-half of 
the musical is that it moves 

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very fast and it just like 
really flips on its head the 

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tone, which may I feel like may 
work in a sequel movie, right? 

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It's switching the tone very 
quickly, but it just like crams 

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so much together. 
None of the added content is 

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really really lends itself to 
what's going on. 

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It kind of it it feels like it 
it's not committing to the dark 

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quality of like alpha buzz sort 
of fall from grace. 

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And it keeps throwing in these 
sort of like quirky, like comedy

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moments that sort of like cut 
the tension. 

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It just it just doesn't work. 
It was messy. 

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It was fine. 
Like it was a fun movie to 

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watch, but it did not move me 
the way the first one did. 

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Did you think there would have 
been a way that they could have 

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done it? 
Because I know going into this I

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was like, and I think a lot of 
people who are familiar with 

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Wicked were like, yeah, I mean, 
that first, first act is 

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fantastic. 
The second act of Wicked is much

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harder. 
So do you think there's a way 

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that they could have made two 
Wicked movies and had the second

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one be any good? 
No. 

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So so how about this then? 
Is there a way they could have 

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just made one Wicked movie? 
I think they could have. 

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Well, how long was the first 
one? 

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The first. 2 fucking long. 
It was really. 

453
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:52,080
Long, about 2 1/2 hours. 
Well. 

454
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,680
Too long for you? 
Let's. 

455
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:57,640
Honestly, I thought it was the 
perfect life I remember. 

456
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,200
Looking at my watch and being 
like we're two hours in and they

457
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,680
were about to go on a Ruby green
train to to Oz for the first day

458
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,880
fucking time. 
I was like. 

459
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,000
To see the wizard. 
There isn't even a hint of this 

460
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,640
movie wrapping up and we're at 
two hours. 

461
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,000
You bet. 
You bet I don't know how they 

462
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,680
would have done it. 
I feel like usually I actually 

463
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,560
that's a common mindset that I 
put myself in is if I get don't 

464
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,840
like a movie, I'm like, how 
would I have done it? 

465
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:29,560
Because obviously I'm an amazing
filmmaker and I think I just 

466
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,320
left and I was like, Nah, I'm 
kind of over it. 

467
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,960
It really. 
Oh, you know what? 

468
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,960
And I'll actually what I would 
have done. 

469
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,600
And you know, we've talked about
this with like Guillermo del 

470
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,840
Toro and his like, quality of 
film production. 

471
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:45,040
They leaned so hard. 
And then on the CGI in the 

472
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,360
second movie, that's so like, 
so, so hard. 

473
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,000
Yeah, 'cause the good point of 
the first movie was the the, 

474
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,240
their attention to detail and 
their the those magnificent 

475
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,160
sets. 
Set designs, yeah. 

476
00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,480
And that really robbed of it. 
Robbed it of it. 

477
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,520
It's like magical quality. 
And that's, you know, that's 

478
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,960
what like brought us into 
Wizard. 

479
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,680
Of the first why? 
Why is the movie The second 

480
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,560
movie? 
I'm sorry this is just why is 

481
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,200
there so much CGII haven't seen 
the movie. 

482
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,400
Maybe I should see it. 
Cheaper. 

483
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,120
It's cheaper always, but like, 
is it set mostly outdoors? 

484
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:18,320
Is that why or like, Whereas a 
lot of the first movie is like 

485
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,880
in that college and so the 
interiors could be these 

486
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,000
elaborate sets, whereas once you
go outdoors, it's incredibly 

487
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,920
expensive to make a set. 
I guess so. 

488
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,840
I think there is an element of 
that, like it starts off pretty 

489
00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:32,320
good. 
It's kind of like a fight scene,

490
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,920
which is kind of cool, but I 
think maybe the sets become a 

491
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,600
little bit more elaborate. 
But I just don't think that's an

492
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,600
excuse. 
You're like, no good deed goes 

493
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,760
unpunished. 
Yeah. 

494
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,840
CGI song, but it was brown and 
muddy. 

495
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Yeah, yeah. 
There was nothing that like, 

496
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,000
drew me in, that made me feel 
like I was under the witch's 

497
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,240
castle, you know? 
I was like, that's a, that's a 

498
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,640
green screen, but that's a blue 
screen. 

499
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,080
We haven't, I don't know if we 
talked about it that much, but I

500
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,840
did see Avatar Fire and Ash and 
I did I mean like like does 

501
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,320
Avatar Star Movies, they're just
fun. 

502
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,560
They're just great. 
But the other thing that they 

503
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,000
are is really good looking and 
they're completely it's 

504
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,480
completely artificial. 
So like I mean like. 

505
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,840
There's a way to do it. 
CGI is one of those things. 

506
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,560
I think we talked when I did my 
like film studies rant, that one

507
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,560
episode where I was talking 
about like indexicality and all 

508
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,280
this bullshit, and I'm very 
proud of myself for that. 

509
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,880
But this thing where it's like 
like CGI does. 

510
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,640
The bottom line is CGI doesn't 
need to look like shit. 

511
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
It doesn't. 
It really doesn't, but it and 

512
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,160
the and it is a crutch. 
And you're right, it it's lazy 

513
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,800
and it's cheap. 
It's cheaper and a big movie 

514
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,920
like that shouldn't do that. 
That's bad directing, guys. 

515
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,800
Well. 
Especially if they you set the 

516
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,320
precedent on like good set 
production, good costume 

517
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,400
production. 
Yeah, like set and. 

518
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,320
Choreography then you know, like
like that's the not only are the

519
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,560
sets great and everything in in 
the first wicked, but there are,

520
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:54,600
you know, in dancing through 
life. 

521
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:58,560
They have people dancing on all 
the like Wheeling, you know, 

522
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,440
bookshelves and also cool and 
there's. 

523
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,560
Really set piece. 
There's really none of that in 

524
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:05,400
Wicked for Good. 
It's a lot of sorry, no, go 

525
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,600
ahead. 
Well, it's a lot of you know, a 

526
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,440
person's in a room, the second 
character walks into that room, 

527
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120
they have a scene where they 
discuss things and then one 

528
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,920
character walks out. 
Repeat that 7 or 8 times. 

529
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960
Yep, you know. 
I think there was. 

530
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,320
I think that the the scene that 
that drew me in the most was and

531
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,440
they confront the wizard in his 
lab, I think kind of middle 

532
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,680
towards the end. 
Yeah, that was a set and that. 

533
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,520
Was a good scene cool. 
That's cool. 

534
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,760
I feel like immersed in what's 
going on here. 

535
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,360
But similar to what you're 
saying is saying CGI is a 

536
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,040
crutch. 
I've always thought CGI should 

537
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,840
enhance good set production or 
good like production design. 

538
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:46,080
Like I think that the 8th, 7th 
Star Wars movie did a good job 

539
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,640
of that. 
Yeah. 

540
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,040
Was that like CGI was just used 
to kind of like enhance 

541
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,520
something that they had already 
built? 

542
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Yeah. 
What the hell happened? 

543
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,800
And actually, I will say, I 
mean, then we let's go to break.

544
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,840
But when we come back from the 
break, let's talk about a little

545
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,360
movie where they did a little 
bit of digital effects on a 

546
00:26:04,360 --> 00:26:09,080
certain actress's leg. 
In the meantime, just had one of

547
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,160
the most ridiculous, expansive 
bullshit sets that you've ever 

548
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,440
seen. 
Unhinged. 

549
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,560
Unhinged is I think the word. 
And we're going to talk all 

550
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,400
about that movie right after 
this break. 

551
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:48,720
So did. 
You guys see this movie when it 

552
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,160
came out? 
Half. 

553
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,760
Yes, I did. 
You did OK see and and Greg. 

554
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,400
So when you watched it, was it 
released as like Planet Terror 

555
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,400
and or was it released 
individually or did you see the 

556
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,480
whole grindhouse ensemble thing 
in 2007? 

557
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,560
It was a dude. 
It was a double. 

558
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,280
Feature. 
Yeah, I that was the same way 

559
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,280
that I saw it. 
So when? 

560
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,600
When? 
Single movie double feature with

561
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,680
fake trailers in between. 
Exactly this was we're of course

562
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,800
talking about the the Seminole 
work of of Robert Rodriguez and 

563
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,680
Quentin Tarantino 2007's 
Grindhouse. 

564
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Now Part 1 of that was the 
action epic Planet Terror 

565
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,360
directed by Spy Kids director is
that. 

566
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,440
True, Part 1 was was part. 
One's planet terror. 

567
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Part 2 is. 
Death Brew. 

568
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,200
Death wild. 
I because OK. 

569
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,080
So, OK, Brian, you saw this as 
two individual movies? 

570
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,760
Two individual movies. 
So Grindhouse flopped fucking 

571
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,200
hard in the US and Canada I 
suspect. 

572
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,040
It didn't do well. 
Well, I mean it had against it 

573
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,760
that it was too 2 movies for the
cost of admission of one, yeah. 

574
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,560
Yeah, why is that like? 
But to be honest, I would kill 

575
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,440
to have that experience now. 
It's, that's, that's the 

576
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,240
grindhouse experience, right? 
So like the, the history of 

577
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,160
grindhouse was, it was like sort
of counterculture to like upper 

578
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,640
scale cinema, right? 
And so grindhouse was the idea 

579
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,760
of grindhouse was what they 
would continuously play movies 

580
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,040
in these theaters throughout the
day. 

581
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:21,560
And then the cost of the movies 
would would change as the day 

582
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,120
goes. 
But the movies were always like 

583
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:30,440
artless low production value sex
Violence International. 

584
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,200
Movies. 
They were bought cheaply. 

585
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,760
They they were just. 
But I mean, that would be where 

586
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,400
you'd go to see like a 
blaxploitation movie or or or 

587
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,880
slasher or slasher, but also 
like, yeah, giallo spaghetti. 

588
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,160
Westerns. 
Yeah, like it's a very 70s kind 

589
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,680
of B movie phenomenon. 
So yeah, I mean, Quentin 

590
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,240
Tarantino and Robert Quentin 
Tarantino having just made Kill 

591
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Bill and Robert Rodriguez having
just made Spy Kids were. 

592
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Very ambitious. 
Oh no, he was in that. 

593
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,400
Oh no, that was. 
The faculty, that was the fact 

594
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,600
that which also Robert Rodriguez
won. 

595
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,280
Yeah. 
I mean, they were on top of the 

596
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:04,480
world. 
And they were like, Quentin 

597
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,360
Tarantino had apparently been 
screening double features, you 

598
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040
know, to his friends. 
And Robert Rodriguez was like, 

599
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,400
hey, I have this exact same 
poster as you. 

600
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,000
We should do a double feature. 
Let's go to Miramax and say, 

601
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,280
hey, the next movie we want to 
do is a double feature. 

602
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,520
Has double features. 
So yeah, they in 2007 they 

603
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,120
released Planet Terror and Death
Proof and all of us 20 something

604
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,040
hipster film nerds were like, 
this is the greatest thing I've 

605
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,000
ever heard of. 
I cannot wait to see it. 

606
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,400
And unfortunately, that only 
meant about a $20 million gross 

607
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,720
on a $60 million budget. 
So sad. 

608
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,560
Us nerds, meanwhile, over in 
fucking Ireland, were watching 

609
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,520
from afar as the whole thing was
fucking collapsing while it was 

610
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,000
making no money. 
And it was. 

611
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,120
And the release was obviously 
going to get butchered for for 

612
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,560
for us. 
So I think what happened was 

613
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,920
Tarantino wanted to submit death
proof to can his version of it, 

614
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,320
like the complete 1. 
So that got released first, 

615
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,920
which is why my mind is blown 
that like in the actual thing, 

616
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,000
it's. 
You're hearing it now, 

617
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,120
listeners. 
The Queen's video. 

618
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,840
Yeah, it. 
Was was the concept of 

619
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,680
grindhouse not a cultural 
phenomenon in Europe though Made

620
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,000
because grindhouse was like no, 
like American? 

621
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,520
Grindhouse was. 
That's a fairpoint to it also 

622
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,680
isn't a thing in in Europe. 
Maybe it it was, but it's not 

623
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760
not something recognizable. 
Yeah, like the the closest thing

624
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,760
we have is video nasties, which 
is auk thing where like all 

625
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,240
these, they were kind of like 
grindhouse features, but they're

626
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320
they're more like 80s horror 
movies that were sure all banned

627
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,840
from video stores so. 
I think Leonard Swanson, when 

628
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,960
you hear this, you should write 
into Queens video and tell us 

629
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,760
about what the grindhouse 
theaters or like in New York 

630
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,800
City and at the turn of the 70s 
and beginning the 80s, because 

631
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,480
the audience would love to hear 
about that. 

632
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:46,720
But sorry, Greg, what were you 
going to say? 

633
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,680
Oh, I was just like, I was made 
sure that I, I was reading up a 

634
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,880
little bit on the history of the
grindhouse because I wanted to 

635
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,680
make sure I had something to 
talk about And you know, and 

636
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,040
like, especially and maybe your 
dad will have like a bit more of

637
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
like a ground level. 
I like I never went to a 

638
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,000
groundhouse. 
Grandhouse Theatre, that was. 

639
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,520
Before my time, no, I mean like 
when when I moved here, there 

640
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,600
were like, I mean some of the 
like like there's there's great 

641
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,320
review like the review cinemas 
around now and probably the. 

642
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Closest thing we. 
Have yeah, like, you know, bluer

643
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:17,440
cinema. 
But I mean, that's not 

644
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,080
grindhouse, that's the those are
like cinemas. 

645
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Yeah, Grindhouse ones would have
been even like scuzzier. 

646
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,480
Well, they would be. 
They were often kind of 

647
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,400
associated with like burlesque 
theaters as well, right? 

648
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,200
They were like lower class 
cinema. 

649
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Yeah. 
And then I know that they they 

650
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,320
sort of started to die out as 
like, television became a thing 

651
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,840
because those like, cheap 
entertainment couldn't offer 

652
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,640
what television was offering. 
Television was offering cheap, 

653
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:45,480
of course. 
Yeah, actually, that's true. 

654
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,120
And so they started to die out 
and then they kind of had to, 

655
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,000
like, amp up what they were 
giving to audiences and then 

656
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,480
like, slashers and like, and 
cheap B horror movies. 

657
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,160
Probably also porno. 
And porn started becoming more 

658
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
common in these like grindhouse 
and I, I think I'm doing a bit 

659
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,000
of an abridged like idea, but 
that's kind of like the 

660
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,760
impression that I was. 
Getting when I was doing I, I, I

661
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,640
imagine the concept was we got 
to buy like distributors buying 

662
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,040
cheap movies. 
Yeah. 

663
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,280
And a lot of it's international,
but a lot of it's probably gold 

664
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,640
as well. 
Like the also like the the stuff

665
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,600
that we see now is prestige 
cinema. 

666
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:25,160
Like to tan that one the can the
the what is it called the Cannes

667
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:30,320
festival at the Pandora that if 
it came out in the 1970s would 

668
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,600
have 100% been a grindhouse. 
Easily been grindhouse, yeah. 

669
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,240
For sure. 
So okay, given that this is the 

670
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,920
historical precedent for these 
movies, Texas. 

671
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,360
Chainsaw Massacre was a 
grindhouse. 

672
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,600
Yeah, yeah, I guess it was it. 
Was but I I all the night, the 

673
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
the night of Living Dead, Day of
the Dead, those were those were 

674
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,280
considered grindhouse. 
So there's a history of zombie 

675
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,400
films being that, you know, 
grindhouse movies, Yeah. 

676
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,440
Unless I'm wrong, somebody 
proved me wrong. 

677
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,080
No, I didn't. 
Improve me right because the 

678
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
Italians Co produced Dawn of the
Dead was Co produced by Dario 

679
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Argento. 
So that would have been an 

680
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,080
international picture. 
And one of the people that was 

681
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,760
involved with Dawn of the Dead 
is legendary makeup artist Tom 

682
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,080
Savini. 
Yes, plays one of the costs in. 

683
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,680
Planetary. 
And I'm pretty sure does the 

684
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,200
does the makeup and and costume 
effects for Planet Terror, which

685
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,800
is. 
Oh, they should be. 

686
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,040
They should be shocked. 
They should be strung up. 

687
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,040
The effects in that movie are 
monsters. 

688
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Guys, we need to tell the 
audience what the fuck this 

689
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,920
movie. 
Oh yes Sir, nobody has Planet 

690
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,280
Terror. 
Robert Rodriguez's movie 

691
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,040
contribution to Grindhouse is a 
film called Planet Terror 

692
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,280
starring Rose McGowan and Freddy
Rodriguez from this movie. 

693
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,920
This movie is like it is the ox 
in a Fergie. 

694
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,440
Yeah. 
Fergie is in it. 

695
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Freddy Rodriguez from Six Feet 
Under is in it. 

696
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Naveen Andrews. 
From Lost. 

697
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,080
And sensing and sensing, 
exactly. 

698
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,200
And so, and, yeah, this is this 
is the plot of this one is 

699
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:05,600
there's a Iraqi bioterrorist 
weapon that gets smuggled back 

700
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:12,239
to Texas and a go go dancer 
named Cherry. 

701
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Cherry Darling, right, is caught
up in the middle of this zombie 

702
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:23,480
outbreak that's brought out by 
these Bruce Willis's evil Iraqi 

703
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,120
army veteran squad. 
That or no? 

704
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,000
Yeah, that killed Osama bin 
Laden. 

705
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,960
That was you. 
That was you. 

706
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:31,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

707
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,560
And so, yeah, this, the movie 
kind of devolves from there, 

708
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,920
where everybody is slowly 
getting, you know, bitten by 

709
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,280
zombies and turned by this 
planetary virus. 

710
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:47,760
Josh Brolin isn't Marie Marley. 
Not Marley Matlin. 

711
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,560
What's the? 
Woman is his life. 

712
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,520
Yeah, who's like, who was dating
Fergie? 

713
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Or it's like secretly. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

714
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,280
Then she's Mary. 
Shelton. 

715
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,320
Mary Shelton Yeah, yeah, Mary 
Shelton is a Josh Brolin is her 

716
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,600
abusive husband, and she's 
driven to psychosis by the 

717
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000
abuse. 
And she has the lost the kid 

718
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200
that's at the beginning of the 
movie is playing with two 

719
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,200
dinosaurs and has the immortal 
life. 

720
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,160
I'm going to eat your brains and
gain your knowledge. 

721
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,440
So, boys, what do we think of 
Planet Terror? 

722
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Divine, Absolute. 
Obsessed. 

723
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,560
Greg, why do you what's? 
Why do you like planetarism? 

724
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,120
It's complete nonsense. 
It is complete nonsense from 

725
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,200
beginning to end, and I sort of 
love that It never takes itself 

726
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,840
seriously for even a second and 
I like that. 

727
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,840
I love the randomness of the 
casting. 

728
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,320
Josh Berlin was my first, like 
my earliest memories of like 

729
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,680
having a crush on a boy. 
Really. 

730
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,120
He's. 
Peacock in this too, he's. 

731
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,200
Like Peacock, but like he was in
this, Yeah, no fucking 

732
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,680
disgusting in this, I mean. 
I mean when he's hot shut. 

733
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,240
Your dirty mouth. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, shut your 

734
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,080
dirty mouth. 
Sorry, sorry, sorry mom. 

735
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,680
But no, like I remember having 
crushes, a crush on him in The 

736
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Goonies. 
Yeah, yeah, the brother Goonies.

737
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,360
But it's just great Bros. 
McGowan is. 

738
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,560
This is her movie. 
This is her. 

739
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Kids, can I. 
So I wanted to get the Harvey 

740
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,360
Weinstein bullshit timeline 
straight. 

741
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,320
Oh, that. 
Also kept rattling me. 

742
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,480
I kept seeing Harvey, right 
Weinstein's name, the credit. 

743
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,040
It's part of this movie. 
But so like, and this is 

744
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,800
actually I could you mind if I 
tell the whole story? 

745
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,680
Sure, because we've we've really
I mean, we tiptoe around the me 

746
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,520
too movement constantly on this 
podcast. 

747
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,720
Like we were talking about it 
last time with Mira Sorvino 

748
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,960
because she was one of the 
people that was that came 

749
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,200
forward with. 
Sexual assault. 

750
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,200
Allegations from Harvey 
Weinstein. 

751
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,640
So what happened? 
For clarity, what happened to 

752
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,720
Rose McGowan was she was cast in
Scream in 1997? 

753
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:49,800
Yes, at Sundance when they were 
touring Scream, Harvey Weinstein

754
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,280
sexually assaulted her and then 
blacklisted her from any further

755
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,360
Miramax Weinstein Company 
productions. 

756
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,920
In 2006, Sin City comes out 
directed by Robert Rodriguez, 

757
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,080
and this is 16 years into Robert
Rodriguez marriage, but he meets

758
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,880
Rose McGowan, I want to say in 
can. 

759
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,240
And in 2006 she's like, I saw 
the movie. 

760
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,920
I loved it. 
I wish I could have been in it 

761
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,080
because I love film noir movies 
so much. 

762
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560
And Robert Rodriguez is like, Oh
my God, well, you should have 

763
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840
auditioned for it. 
Like you would have been great 

764
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,880
in the movie. 
And so she at dinner discloses 

765
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,080
all everything that's happened 
to her at that point. 

766
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,800
And Robert Rodriguez and Quentin
Tarantino are, you know, in 

767
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,320
talks obviously with the 
Weinstein Company because 

768
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,680
they're big hits with them and 
they're going to do another 

769
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,440
movie with them. 
And so Robert Rodriguez, upon 

770
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,960
hearing what Harvey Weinstein 
did to Rose McGowan, was like, 

771
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,600
I've got a movie coming out. 
I'm writing the lead role for 

772
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,760
you, and you are getting cast in
it. 

773
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,120
And Harvey Weinstein is not 
going to be able to say no 

774
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,080
because if he says no, I will be
like, oh, really, Harvey, why 

775
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,160
don't you want her in the movie?
And so he wrote the part of 

776
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,240
Cherry for Rose McGowan as a way
of getting her around the 

777
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,400
Miramax Weinstein Company 
blacklist. 

778
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,640
Snaps to him. 
But there's also an element, 

779
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,760
because this is a dimension. 
Films film yeah, Dimension Films

780
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:19,840
was Bob Weinstein's company they
share always the credit but they

781
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,720
had two different like 
production, the lines, the. 

782
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,320
No pun intended. 
Cherry on top of this whole 

783
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,200
thing is that at that dinner 
table, Harvey Weinstein was like

784
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,080
walking around and Robert 
Rodriguez was like, hey, Harvey,

785
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560
come here. 
I want you to meet Rose. 

786
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,080
She's fantastic. 
I don't know if you've met her 

787
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,560
yet, but I think I'm going to 
cast her as the lead in the next

788
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520
next movie. 
And Harvey Weinstein tripped 

789
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,240
over himself to be like, oh, 
Rose McGowan, I've seen your 

790
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:49,280
work. 
You're wonderful, You're 

791
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,560
fantastic and stuff. 
He he and then he like stumbled 

792
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,000
away and Rose. 
I know the story. 

793
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,720
Like, like that, you know? 
She'd never seen that. 

794
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,040
Is this? 
Did she dictate this story? 

795
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,960
This is. 
No, this is Robert Rodriguez's 

796
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,400
When Me Too happened, when Rose 
McGowan came forward with the 

797
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,000
allegations against Harvey 
Weinstein. 

798
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560
This was Robert Rodriguez's 
press release. 

799
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,520
And he was like, I have, I have 
not told anybody this story 

800
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,080
because I didn't want to violate
Rose Mcgowan's NDA. 

801
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,200
It's her story as. 
Well, it's not. 

802
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,560
His story. 
And so once, once she came 

803
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,200
forward with her allegations, he
was like, so This is why I cast 

804
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,200
Rose McGowan in Planet, which, 
and I wanted to clear that up 

805
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,400
because like, it's a very 
salacious movie. 

806
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,200
Like the, the scenes where like 
she, you know, like, like she's,

807
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,640
she's being ridiculous. 
But then also it has that the 

808
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,520
hilarious like, sex scene with 
her and Freddy Rodriguez, where 

809
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,560
then like, and then like, and 
then like freezes. 

810
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,880
This is on her completely naked 
body and then goes like missing 

811
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,520
reel. 
And then the whole place is 

812
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:50,000
caught on fire, you know, And I 
was like, that's brilliant. 

813
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,600
But and I was kind of relieved 
when I heard that story because 

814
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,520
knowing how horrible Harvey 
Weinstein was, I was just like, 

815
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,400
oh, God, was Rose McGowan 
sexually assaulted and then had 

816
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,160
to come to set every day to do 
this exploitation movie where 

817
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,960
she knew that the executive 
producer was her rapist. 

818
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,480
And it it's it. 
At the very least, from Robert 

819
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,840
Rodriguez's explanation of 
events, there's actually a bit 

820
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,520
more of a heartwarming story 
behind the whole. 

821
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,360
Yeah, class not it's almost like
a fuck you. 

822
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,040
It's like in your face kind of 
We're, we're so big, we're going

823
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,200
to, we're going to fuck you 
over. 

824
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,680
A little bit, yeah. 
So then he divorced his wife of 

825
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,000
16 years, and he and Rose 
McGowan dated for three years 

826
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,760
and then they broke up in 2009. 
Well. 

827
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,920
He's Robert Rodriguez is hot. 
Well, was was. 

828
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
I always had a bit of a cross 
when Robert. 

829
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,040
Rodrigue, I don't even know what
he. 

830
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,200
Looks like Oh, he's cute. 
Well, I mean, like, like, 

831
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,240
clearly they cast Freddie 
Rodriguez. 

832
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280
He's his cousin in real life or 
something. 

833
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,920
I mean, you know they have the 
same last name. 

834
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,000
No, I, I looked it up because I 
remember being like, they do 

835
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,480
have the same last name and he's
in that movie. 

836
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,680
He's kind of, he's as cute as 
Robert Rodriguez was at the 

837
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,120
time, so I'm sure that there 
was. 

838
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,240
Rodriguez as a honey? 
Yeah, I was into it. 

839
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Yeah, I will also say though, 
it's getting very, it's very sad

840
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,800
to see Bruce Willis now in 
movies. 

841
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,200
Yeah, it is a. 
No, but all he does is play 

842
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,120
himself. 
He's also under. 

843
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,560
He's not in this movie movie 
like he's he's. 

844
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,080
In it for a little. 
It's a big cast. 

845
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,760
It's a big cast. 
Yeah, he's in and they give him 

846
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,440
this big makeup thing that I 
feel like doesn't pay off. 

847
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,920
That's my 1 little gripe with 
the movie is that like, it's 

848
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,760
this big disgusting splatter 
fest. 

849
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,640
Yeah. 
It literally like makes it it. 

850
00:41:25,720 --> 00:41:29,560
It goes out of the way to be as 
explicit as possible. 

851
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,200
But then as vile part where he's
like kind of starting to 

852
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,520
explode, it becomes almost like 
a Akira, you know what I mean? 

853
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,600
Where he's like, oh. 
Sure, sure, tenderly monster, I 

854
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,360
can see that. 
Yeah, And they shoot him or 

855
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,160
whatever and it it's all off 
screen. 

856
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,240
I'm like, is that a budget 
thing? 

857
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,880
Like did you imagine that he 
would pop like a big blood 

858
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,040
balloon or something? 
But you just. 

859
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,080
I wonder if they're, I don't 
think it's a budget thing. 

860
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,960
I mean, for Quentin Tarantino, 
it's I don't think it's going to

861
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,000
be a budget thing. 
I feel like they were doing 

862
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,080
those things on purpose to mimic
Grindhouse because grindhouse is

863
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:06,000
low budget and if you can't get 
like the big explosive thing, 

864
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,440
you you you. 
Cut away from. 

865
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,000
You cut away and you leave it to
the imagination of the viewer, 

866
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,840
right? 
And so I, those things felt very

867
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,560
intentional to me. 
Yeah, because they were like 

868
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:18,760
reminiscing about what 
Grindhouse meant to them. 

869
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:19,840
I agree. 
Yeah. 

870
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,000
I do like to. 
I think one of the things that 

871
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
this movie does specifically 
even better than Death Proof is 

872
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,320
the way that they do the the 
fake film grain stuff and the 

873
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,440
fake degraded film. 
But they do it so like 

874
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,160
expressively like the film grain
gets worse when when something 

875
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,480
exciting is happening or when a 
really gross bad guy comes on 

876
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,400
the screen. 
Or then they do it for great 

877
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,600
jokes too. 
That's really one of the charms,

878
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,880
especially of Planet. 
Terror is the kind of incidental

879
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,200
or intentional kind of like film
green overlay is. 

880
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,880
Yeah, I found that very 
charming. 

881
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,920
It's a very, you're right, it is
charming. 

882
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,640
It's it's oozing with charisma. 
It is such a fucking dark story 

883
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,120
when you actually think about 
what happens. 

884
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,160
Oh God, like a kid shoots 
himself in a car. 

885
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,480
I. 
Actually forgot that that 

886
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,440
happened too. 
And then they're sitting there 

887
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,040
in the car. 
And then I saw, like, you see, 

888
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,800
like the flash. 
I was like, Oh yeah, I forgot 

889
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,640
that kid shoots himself. 
On them. 

890
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,240
Yeah, but it and right before 
that, but. 

891
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,880
It's so arch, it's like a 
stupid. 

892
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,240
It's the mother's like Tony. 
Here's a gun like it's. 

893
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,920
Really don't shoot yourself in 
the baby when he. 

894
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:25,280
Comes to the car, you shoot 
them. 

895
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,720
Even if it's my dad. 
Especially if it's your dad. 

896
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:35,240
Oh my God, so good. 
But this is like a giant John 

897
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,640
Carpenter homage, the whole film
end to end. 

898
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,360
Sure, yeah. 
John Carpenter Like, there's 

899
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,000
Halloween, there's the fog, 
there's. 

900
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,400
Just gone. 
Assault on Precinct 13. 

901
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,120
It's all all just like the 
ultimate John Carpenter movie 

902
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,520
without John Carpenter 
directing, which I loved. 

903
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,920
There's a scene at the start 
where like, someone's driving 

904
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,360
away or whatever, and they do 
like the classic Michael Myers 

905
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,680
jumping on top of the car. 
Halloween. 

906
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,800
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
It's so iconic. 

907
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,800
I love it so much. 
Isn't. 

908
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,240
That, yeah. 
Is that when Fergie gets eaten? 

909
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,640
No, no. 
It's before that. 

910
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,240
It's it's a Naveen Andrews. 
Driving away, driving. 

911
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,280
Away. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

912
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,160
So many good things and the 
music is so good so. 

913
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:16,880
Cheap. 
Oh yeah. 

914
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,560
So John Carpenter, 1 Cynthia. 
It's good. 

915
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,760
And the way they use the theme 
too, like they establish the 

916
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,480
theme right at the beginning and
then it plays throughout the 

917
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,760
thing. 
And then like when they do the 

918
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,880
sex scene, they do the theme, 
but it's a soft piano version. 

919
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,680
And then when they're all like 
hiding in the basement, too, 

920
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,440
there's a saxophone guy player 
in the basement with them that 

921
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,760
yeah, that is genius. 
Genius. 

922
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,000
So crazy. 
Yeah. 

923
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,840
But that and that, those are the
things I love it, that I love 

924
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,080
about it. 
It's so absurd at every single 

925
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,000
corner that it like it can't 
take it seriously. 

926
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,520
And it is. 
That's what charms me about it, 

927
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000
is it does not take itself 
seriously for even a second. 

928
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,280
I wanted to talk, talk about the
the cameo that Tarantino does 

929
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,680
so. 
Oh yeah, Alfred Hitchcock 

930
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,720
himself shows up in. 
This and it's frustrating 

931
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:03,680
because again Tarantino's cameos
used to be they went they 

932
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,880
started strong and as the years 
progress they get worse and 

933
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,280
worse to the point where they're
really unwatchable. 

934
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,800
They're really like just they're
boils now in his movie, he's 

935
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,200
being. 
Boiled. 

936
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,040
I was just. 
Gonna say that they are 

937
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:22,720
literally boils in this movie. 
But the IT it's much better in 

938
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,400
planet Terror. 
The planet terror cameo he does 

939
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,000
is much better and it's a lot of
fun. 

940
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:31,320
And that makeup is absolutely D 
fucking disgusting. 

941
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,520
I so, so I mean, to kind of 
close this off, do you think 

942
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,080
that they were taking the piss 
of Harvey Weinstein in that? 

943
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,040
Camera. 
I wonder? 

944
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,040
I'd love to hope so. 
Now that I now because I did not

945
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,400
know that story, but in 
retrospect, sure, yes, 

946
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,480
absolutely. 
Like that that why wouldn't they

947
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,720
not be doing that if this whole 
like even casting Rose McGowan 

948
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,840
was a revenge scheme? 
Like, yeah, the movie would for 

949
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,680
sure be a little bit mocking. 
Him. 

950
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,880
Yeah, that they would make a 
gross serial rapist that was 

951
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:07,080
disgusting and holding them 
hostage, but then she gets to 

952
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,720
blow apart with a friggin M16 
machine gun. 

953
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,720
She, she, she, well, she breaks 
off her, her her wooden leg and 

954
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:17,760
she's like stabs it in his eye. 
Yeah. 

955
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,280
Oh, that's right. 
Yeah. 

956
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,920
And then she gets the machine 
gun after that. 

957
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,640
Yeah. 
Well, listen, why don't we go 

958
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
for a quick break and then when 
we come back from watching a few

959
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,440
trailers, we can get to Part 2 
of this Grindhouse double 

960
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,720
feature, Death Proof all. 
Right. 

961
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,440
So Death Proof is probably it's 
the most experimental of the two

962
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,680
movies. 
I think so. 

963
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,920
Like I think Planet Terror is 
maybe like prototypical 

964
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
grindhouse movie. 
What was the parody of itself? 

965
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

966
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,720
Whereas Death Proof is maybe 
like an oddball movie that you 

967
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:13,880
might find in a grindhouse 
experience. 

968
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,720
It's weird how it's put together
that it's almost 2 movies placed

969
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:19,920
together. 
I. 

970
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,760
Think yeah, there's no Sid field
React screenplay. 

971
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,880
No, no, but it's genius and it's
we were talking before about 

972
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,240
Planet Terror being maybe a 
takedown of the Weinsteins. 

973
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,360
This could also be a like. 
This is a very feminist film. 

974
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,000
Tarantino does have very strong 
female characters and he should 

975
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,280
be applauded for that. 
And I think the the cast in this

976
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,800
movie is fucking amazing and 
terrific. 

977
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,160
Yeah. 
They've all, they're all of 

978
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:48,640
them. 
Especially the second-half, 

979
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,840
they're amazing. 
Well, the cast is 1/4 of the 

980
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,600
cast of the film of Rent. 
Oh, is that right? 

981
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Who's Rosario Dawson? 
Rosario Dawson and Tracy Topper 

982
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,040
in it man. 
Like, did he? 

983
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,160
He should have had. 
He should have had. 

984
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,160
What's his face? 
Adam Pascal and the other white 

985
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,160
guy from Rent as the two creeps 
in the bar. 

986
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,040
And the bar. 
Eli Roth and the other guy. 

987
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,720
But we're getting ourselves. 
Plays a creep too. 

988
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:17,760
Greg, can you tell our audience 
what Death Proof is about? 

989
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:23,680
I would say death proof is about
an incel with a car then. 

990
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:31,440
Let me let me put it this What 
is the story of Death Proof this

991
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,560
is. 
Our podcast. 

992
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,760
Because it's bad for this. 
We're always just like, oh 

993
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:36,080
here's blah blah blah blah blah 
blah blah. 

994
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,760
And everyone is like, what 
fucking movie? 

995
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,640
We'll start with that. 
So Stuntman Mike, who is 

996
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,520
Stuntman Mike? 
Stuntman Mike is a body double 

997
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:50,040
slash stuntman, Yeah. 
Who makes a habit of using his 

998
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,600
car to kill women. 
Yeah, but not in a traditional 

999
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,800
sense. 
He doesn't run necessarily. 

1000
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,640
Run them over with them. 
I would say he's a serial killer

1001
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,400
and his weapon of choice is his 
heart. 

1002
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,040
He. 
Terrorizes women with his car. 

1003
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,840
With his car. 
Yeah, it's not just that he 

1004
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,920
murders them, although it nearly
always leads to murder. 

1005
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,640
But yeah, he, he he just 
terrorizes women. 

1006
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:21,160
He derives giant amounts of 
pleasure terrorizing women until

1007
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,760
he gets terrorized. 
By the ladies, yeah, the ladies 

1008
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,600
come for him. 
Yeah. 

1009
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,600
Zoe Bell. 
Yeah. 

1010
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,600
But yeah. 
So yeah. 

1011
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,000
Death Proof. 
Death Proof is a slasher movie, 

1012
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,240
and the slasher is not a guy 
with a knife. 

1013
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:35,360
He's a guy with a car. 
The car. 

1014
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,040
Yeah, the car is Death Proof, 
but only if you're sitting in 

1015
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,040
the. 
Driveway to get the real benefit

1016
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,240
of it, honey. 
Yeah, you got to be sitting in 

1017
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:46,120
my seat. 
What do you guys think of Kurt 

1018
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,800
Russell in this movie? 
Great. 

1019
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,040
Terrific. 
He's great. 

1020
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,800
He's the best part I. 
Didn't like him. 

1021
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,000
I'm watching it again. 
I thought it was all over the 

1022
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,240
place and not kind of in a way 
that was balanced out with the 

1023
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,640
rest of the movie. 
I like, I don't like the movie 

1024
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,400
actually, so. 
And that's another thing. 

1025
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,520
Watching it this time, I didn't 
either. 

1026
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,920
So boring. 
I'll I'll say I leaned towards 

1027
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,320
Planet Terror more this time 
than I ever had previously. 

1028
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,200
And I think when I saw them 
first, I was in love with Death 

1029
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:16,520
Proof. 
I was like, oh, this is so 

1030
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,400
fascinating. 
This is so sophisticated. 

1031
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,920
I see what Quentin Tarantino is 
trying to do here. 

1032
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,680
He's trying to, you know, just 
make a heightened, you know, 

1033
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,920
it's like psycho in that, you 
know, it gets you connected with

1034
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,160
the characters in in thralled 
with their lives and then and 

1035
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,240
then scars you by murdering them
horribly. 

1036
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,800
Watching it this time, I was 
like, this is so boring. 

1037
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,360
This is so exploded. 
If I don't care what any of 

1038
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,240
these people are doing and then 
and then they die. 

1039
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,880
I do love sort of the 
relationship building with the 

1040
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,480
initial 4-5 ish women because he
kind of like killed some of them

1041
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,360
separately. 
I do love that initial like 

1042
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,240
relationship building and that 
tension, that sort of almost 

1043
00:50:55,240 --> 00:50:58,080
sexual tension that he's 
building with the girls in the 

1044
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,720
beginning, which I think that 
makes the murder pay off all the

1045
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,760
more shocking. 
It's very gnarly and it's very 

1046
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,640
creepy and it does. 
It's a bit will come out of. 

1047
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,120
Nowhere to do. 
Will he won't he is like what's 

1048
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,720
actually going on here? 
But and also my like, I love the

1049
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:16,960
dialogue. 
I love his whole like, are you 

1050
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,560
in my good book? 
Are you in my bad book dialogue?

1051
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,200
So creepy. 
I He's such a creep and that's 

1052
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,160
fun. 
It's like, weirdly flirtatious. 

1053
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,760
And sometimes it does get like, 
it's he, he treads this very 

1054
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,760
interesting line where you're 
like, oh, wait, is he actually a

1055
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,040
nice guy? 
Oh, is he actually a creep in 

1056
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:35,160
it? 
You're never. 

1057
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,520
It's unsettling because you're 
never sure what side of the line

1058
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880
he's falling. 
On And that's why he's an insell

1059
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,640
well. 
Yeah, there is an air of 

1060
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,040
authenticity to it too, because 
when I saw the movie, at first I

1061
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,000
was kind of all the way I was 
like, wow, what is this? 

1062
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,000
I've never met anyone like this.
I've never seen anyone like 

1063
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,280
this. 
But it feels like a real, real 

1064
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,920
rounded person. 
Feels like someone out there. 

1065
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,600
You know what I mean? 
And it makes sense because 

1066
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,720
Tarantino is probably very 
influenced by the business of 

1067
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,360
those car movies and stunts 
performers. 

1068
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,000
He's he's met him all he's seen 
him all he, he knows all their 

1069
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,720
types. 
So he definitely is basing that 

1070
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:17,120
on real life people or, you 
know, a consolidation of an idea

1071
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,520
of it. 
So for that reason, I think he's

1072
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
a good actor. 
But I, I get what you're saying 

1073
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,600
to Carl. 
It's there's a lot of dialogue 

1074
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,440
in this movie and it really 
leans on it. 

1075
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,160
And I think for us it it could 
be back then it was snappy and 

1076
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,520
interesting, but now cinemas 
kind of maybe evolved away from 

1077
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,280
it. 
Yeah, I mean, it's very they're,

1078
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,920
they're Quentin Tarantino 
scenes, you know, too. 

1079
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,920
Too much so, almost. 
Yeah, I mean like like that's a 

1080
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,040
matter of taste. 
You're like, you're like, he's 

1081
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,560
just talking about himself the 
whole way through. 

1082
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,800
Like Rosario Dawson's director 
boyfriend. 

1083
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,000
Yeah, that's just you, right? 
Yeah. 

1084
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,000
Or Jungle Julia talking about 
the fun stuff she's doing on the

1085
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:55,800
radio. 
Yeah. 

1086
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,200
But sorry, Greg, what do you 
want to say? 

1087
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,760
Sometimes with Tarantino movies,
especially when he kind of like 

1088
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,040
puts himself in them. 
I don't get me wrong, I love, I 

1089
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,880
love a Tarantino movie, right? 
Like, But when he puts himself 

1090
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:12,040
in, sometimes I feel like these 
movies are a bit masturbatory. 

1091
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,960
Yeah. 
From Quentin Tarantino's 

1092
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,680
perspective, like, sure. 
Really. 

1093
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,640
When Jungle Julia's sticking her
feet out the window of the car 

1094
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,720
for 10 fucking minutes, you 
don't think that's that's 

1095
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,960
masturbatory? 
It's about if you. 

1096
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,680
Think that's masturbatory? 
Is is this the movie where we 

1097
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,240
were all like, oh, there is 
something going on here? 

1098
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,800
No, because he's talking about a
sexual, non sexual foot massage 

1099
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,120
back in Pulp Fiction. 
Yeah. 

1100
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,320
And then in Kimville she's like,
wiggle your big toe. 

1101
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah, your big toe. 
Yeah, maybe I will. 

1102
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,320
Say maybe this is the one where 
he he's like, okay, I get that 

1103
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,560
you've all caught on to this. 
I'm really going to shove it. 

1104
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Yeah, there's a lot of feed in 
this one, like particularly 

1105
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,920
large you need to feed. 
But the story, yeah, Greg, you 

1106
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,480
think it gets a little 
masturbatory, I guess a bit of 

1107
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:57,400
masturbatory and a bit. 
I'm kind of like, oh, you're old

1108
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,440
man. 
He's not of a good. 

1109
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,440
He's not acting good in that 
scene. 

1110
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,840
Oh no, of course not. 
We don't expect. 

1111
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:04,720
Him to in this one he plays AI 
don't. 

1112
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,840
Expect him to. 
No, but but if you're going to 

1113
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,120
put yourself in your own movie, 
then have a good thing that like

1114
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,880
you understand your limits, you 
know what I mean? 

1115
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,200
Like so have it be maybe a 2 
minute scene, not a fucking 10 

1116
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,800
minute scene where he's like 
buying him shots and like it's 

1117
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,320
not interesting what he does. 
He cut him out completely. 

1118
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,200
Well, that's and that was a bit 
of a criticism, like he was in 

1119
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,000
that bar scene for a very long 
period of time. 

1120
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,640
I think it worked more or in 
Planet Terror because he was 

1121
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,920
kind of the butt of the. 
Jail. 

1122
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,800
I love it in Planet terror, to 
be honest with you. 

1123
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,960
It's hilarious that the effect 
is gross and the fact that he's 

1124
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,440
playing a creep and it plays 
into like what we were 

1125
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,720
discussing. 
But in this one, it's it doesn't

1126
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:41,320
sit right, doesn't work with for
me. 

1127
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,480
But you're right, it is. 
He just wanted to be on the set 

1128
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,640
with his cast and enjoy the 
scene. 

1129
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,120
Maybe I should appreciate the 
movie. 

1130
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:49,640
Maybe I should appreciate that 
and look at from that 

1131
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,240
perspective. 
Yeah, it's through these movies.

1132
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,320
I sometimes I'm kind of like 
you, you just, you just are you 

1133
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,840
being a bit of a creep, Like you
know all of his and you know his

1134
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,800
women are hypersexual as well, 
which is fine. 

1135
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,560
I would say hypersexual. 
They're not hype, they're real 

1136
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,160
women, I think. 
They're all strippers. 

1137
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,360
They're all. 
Like. 

1138
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,160
Sexual I I I'm actually going to
side with Brian on this one. 

1139
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,120
Like they're sexy, but I mean, 
like, this is actually a great 

1140
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:19,920
example of that. 
Like it's like which movie 

1141
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,080
sexualizes women more? 
Planet terror or death proof? 

1142
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,800
Planet Terror. 
Planet, planet terror. 

1143
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,920
Oh yeah, I agree. 
But like Death Proof, the girls 

1144
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,280
are sexy and they do sexy stuff 
and there's a little like that. 

1145
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,840
That scene where they leave Mary
Elizabeth Weinstead with the 

1146
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,440
creepy by Hillbilly who gets the
car and she stares at him and 

1147
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,560
goes golf. 
I'm like, oh Jesus Christ, they 

1148
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,400
just wrote this scene where poor
Mary Elizabeth Weinstein is just

1149
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,360
about to be sexually assaulted 
so that her friends can go on a 

1150
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160
joint. 
And it's very creepy that part 

1151
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,760
as well. 
Like they could have downplayed 

1152
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,280
that. 
It could have been funnier if it

1153
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,040
was a little bit more subtle. 
But I think also it was probably

1154
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,960
funnier at the time before all 
of history happened in between 

1155
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,320
the movie. 
It was, yeah, like it was a kind

1156
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,240
of an earlier time. 
And I enjoy it. 

1157
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,560
And I enjoy a sexy male 
character always at all. 

1158
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,120
Times you're the most 
heterosexual person in this 

1159
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,240
room. 
Yeah, obviously. 

1160
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:13,000
Yeah. 
Wait, where was that thought 

1161
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,160
going? 
I was going somewhere. 

1162
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160
I. 
Again, we're talking about 

1163
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,160
Quentin Tarantino's making 
strong female characters versus 

1164
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,560
sexualized female characters. 
I think the point is, sometimes 

1165
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:27,640
I feel like Quentin Tarantino's 
a bit of a creep, but maybe he 

1166
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,600
knows he, he like, comes across 
as a bit of a creep and so 

1167
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,240
that's why he like, makes fun of
himself. 

1168
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,200
I think it's self-awareness. 
Yeah. 

1169
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,800
And so, OK, maybe it's 
self-awareness. 

1170
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,800
And I think that's like part of 
the format of the film too, 

1171
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,400
because the first part of the 
movie is another movie. 

1172
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,560
It's not Death Proof. 
It's called something called 

1173
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,360
Thunderball, Thunder Roll or 
Thunder something. 

1174
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,960
Do you guys notice that? 
No, there's like a title and 

1175
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,840
then it goes Death Proof like 
there's another title for the 

1176
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:54,960
movie. 
Oh, I don't remember. 

1177
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:59,040
And so like, I think the concept
is it's an unfinished film, an 

1178
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,720
unfinished exploitation film 
that gets finished later on with

1179
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,640
like a good like the resolution.
So, so like it's like 2 cultures

1180
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,080
clashing almost like it's the 
idea of an exploitation film 

1181
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,640
from the 80s. 
And then once the synthesis of 

1182
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,080
that now is that like, will they
get their revenge? 

1183
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,440
The girls get their revenge and 
women. 

1184
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,280
And so that's why the tone is 
kind of different between the. 

1185
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,680
Oh, and the filming, The film 
quality changes the aesthetics. 

1186
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,560
Getting more of a girl. 
On trip I find the second-half. 

1187
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,080
I was going to say, like, one 
thing I noticed watching Death 

1188
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,680
Proof is that, like Quentin 
Tarantino does some of the same,

1189
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,320
like artificial degradation 
stuff that Robert Rodriguez 

1190
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,960
does. 
Yeah, but there's less of it. 

1191
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,360
And then he kind of it seemed 
like he lost interest in it. 

1192
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:48,960
What do you mean by stops 
offering? 

1193
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,280
Oh, like, like the the like the 
film lines, the the pretend, 

1194
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,160
like maybe it looked like the 
film was song apart. 

1195
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,800
Yeah. 
And then the missing real joke 

1196
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:57,880
and all that kind of stuff. 
And then and then he doesn't do 

1197
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,160
it in the back half. 
And I was like, did he just like

1198
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,440
forget? 
Did he no interest in doing it? 

1199
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,720
That's an interesting point. 
Because the second-half is 

1200
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Christine. 
It's beautiful, vibrant, modern,

1201
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,440
like they're wearing pinks and 
yellows. 

1202
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,000
And whereas before they're 
wearing all like, you know, 

1203
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,800
jeans and grey and white and 
like it's, it's saturation to 

1204
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,000
the NTH degree. 
But also it's weird that two 

1205
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,080
women, the two sets of women, 
they mirror each other in a way 

1206
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,160
like Jungle Juliet. 
And like I happened to, I 

1207
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,880
watched the first puff twice and
I watched, I watched it all 

1208
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,600
wrong, basically. 
I watched the second-half twice 

1209
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:37,120
because that's where I started 
to be like. 

1210
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,920
The second-half. 
Second-half is glorious. 

1211
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,280
Second. 
Half like like the the I think I

1212
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:45,320
think planetary is a little kind
of blue bit of a slog to watch 

1213
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:51,040
until Zoe Bell got gets on the 
hood of that freaking then my 

1214
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,960
God, is that not one of the best
car chase action sequences 

1215
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:59,640
you've ever seen it. 
And again, so Greg? 

1216
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,720
Oh, no, I just like had this 
like revelation because we were 

1217
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,680
talking. 
I was like, it's a great car 

1218
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:10,640
scene, but there's a car chase 
scene sort of at the end of 

1219
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,240
what, the Leo DiCaprio movie. 
One battle after, one battle 

1220
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:15,480
after. 
Yeah. 

1221
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:16,760
Yeah, we love. 
That similar? 

1222
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,680
Yeah, they're actually very 
similar. 

1223
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:19,800
A car chase scene. 
Very. 

1224
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,960
And I would say. 
Actually very simple, but very 

1225
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,480
exciting. 
But yeah, yeah, yeah, 1 battle 

1226
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,960
after another car chase is one 
of the best car chases I've seen

1227
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:27,160
in a movie in a long. 
Time. 

1228
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:28,440
Yeah. 
When I watched that, I was like,

1229
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,320
oh, and then I just like started
noticing the similarities and 

1230
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,200
these like kind of like winding 
dusty country roads in the 

1231
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,680
middle and like the the heat of 
the sun sort of. 

1232
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,240
It's it's about being smart 
though, knowing where to put the

1233
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,440
camera and and like you can have
a, a woman on top of a hood, but

1234
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,200
also go wide, go wide to give 
the audience like some scale. 

1235
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,360
Yeah. 
And show them this back scale. 

1236
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:55,240
Yeah, but it also is like so 
saved and made awesome by just 

1237
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,240
by the fact that Zoe Bell is 
such a good actor and a good 

1238
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,160
stunt woman. 
And so that's like for, for some

1239
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,320
context here audience. 
Zoe Bell has like been a stunt 

1240
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,040
woman basically for her entire 
career. 

1241
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,960
She's gotten acting roles now 
because she's hilarious and 

1242
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,680
cute, but she was the she was 
Uma Thurman's stunt woman for 

1243
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,040
Kill Bill. 
Didn't know that which. 

1244
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:17,960
Was how she got this role. 
And she's loved, they all loved,

1245
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,320
you know, loves her and like you
can see why. 

1246
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:22,800
And you're right, this film 
could have been. 

1247
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,080
This film is made, make or break
based on her alone. 

1248
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,360
Yeah, because he can get the 
camera close to the car and you 

1249
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,120
see, like, it's, it's not a 
stunt woman on the hood. 

1250
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,520
It playing Zoe Bell. 
It is Zoe Bell. 

1251
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,320
Yeah, like literally playing 
herself. 

1252
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,560
The character is. 
Her and this feeds into the like

1253
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,280
the energy and joy of this of 
this these movies, this movie, 

1254
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,600
it's it's friends making a movie
together. 

1255
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,480
It's like it's like friends, 
college friends making the 

1256
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,720
biggest budget student film in 
the world. 

1257
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,720
You guys know so much lore about
this movie. 

1258
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,440
I feel like I was like, I didn't
know know any of this. 

1259
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:00,320
We've been. 
Talking about doing this for 

1260
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,920
years, we we love. 
We, like our audience, expects a

1261
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,640
high level. 
I'm sorry, audience, I didn't 

1262
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,080
know. 
Oh. 

1263
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:08,360
My God, no. 
You came in. 

1264
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:11,080
You came in with the entire 
context and history of 

1265
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,480
grindhouse cinema that we badly 
needed. 

1266
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,200
That was excellent. 
I do know a little bit you. 

1267
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,680
Also saw the film OG. 
I've always said this. 

1268
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:22,000
I would kill to see the whole 
fucking thing with the with the 

1269
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,120
the actual all fake trailers and
everything. 

1270
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,840
Yeah, we only got the fake. 
We got the fake trailers at the 

1271
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:28,760
start of the movie which is dumb
and point. 

1272
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,040
But did they actually turn out 
to be that fake? 

1273
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,760
They didn't turn out to be that 
because all of those movies got 

1274
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,160
made. 
Should we? 

1275
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:36,840
Should we talk about some of 
those? 

1276
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,800
Hey, why don't we, let's end 
let's end this segment by going 

1277
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:44,720
over all of the fake trailers 
that are in grindhouse because 

1278
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:46,040
that's like. 
One of this. 

1279
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,320
One of the bit like that's kind 
of one of the most fun parts is 

1280
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,280
that they have truly these 
ridiculous fake trailers. 

1281
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:57,080
So the first one was the fake 
trailer for Danny Trejo in 

1282
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,240
Machete guy. 
While I'm bringing this list up,

1283
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:02,880
why don't you guys tell us, tell
our audience about Machete? 

1284
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,200
I've never seen Machete 
actually, but I know that. 

1285
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,640
Well, the trailer is about like 
a scorned, I guess he's like a 

1286
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,280
he's a Mexican. 
Ex federally and a Mexican. 

1287
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,800
Day laborer. 
Oh, that's right. 

1288
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,720
And so he's he's like scorned by
by by the man. 

1289
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,320
And then he turns. 
In government. 

1290
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:21,440
Oh, right, they, they set him up
for an assassination or 

1291
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,200
something, right? 
And then they frame him and they

1292
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,240
try to kill him and then he's 
like, well, I'm going to kill 

1293
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,640
you with my machetes. 
And then that's the movie. 

1294
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,040
So the actual movie is an actual
like honesty. 

1295
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:35,400
Every shot that's made in that 
fake trailer is in the movie 

1296
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:36,880
that they. 
Have and so when and when you 

1297
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,480
say actual movie it's it's that 
they made all these fake 

1298
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,000
trailers and then like they were
like hey, if anybody wants to 

1299
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,400
make. 
This actually these sound fun, 

1300
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,200
yeah. 
These are fun. 

1301
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280
Yeah. 
Robert Rodriguez loved making 

1302
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,520
that trailer, so yeah. 
And of course this was with the 

1303
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,280
tagline. 
They just fucked with the wrong 

1304
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:58,400
Mexican or no? 
No, it's and when you send 

1305
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:04,000
Machete to kill the bad guys, 
make sure the bad guy isn't you.

1306
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,760
So that was the first one. 
Second trailer is Rob Zombie's 

1307
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:15,240
werewolf Woman of the Ash. 
Oh yeah, I forgot that one. 

1308
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,640
But that's not even a little bit
funny. 

1309
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,880
I remember like and what is 
there? 

1310
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:26,480
A cameo from Nicolas Cage's But.
Which is because, which is also 

1311
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,040
like the the stereotype is also 
a Marvel villain, which they 

1312
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:34,040
make fun of in the Iron Man 
movies, which Danny Trejo is in.

1313
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,760
Yeah. 
Which is a bit the. 

1314
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,720
Serpent eating its own snack, 
and then yeah. 

1315
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,360
That would have come out after 
Grindhouse as well that. 

1316
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,760
Not long after, 'cause That's 
Iron Man 2 is the one with Danny

1317
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:46,920
Trejo in it. 
But then Iron Man 3 is the one 

1318
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:48,360
with Fu Manchu. 
Oh, is it with? 

1319
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:49,800
Ben Kingsley as Fu Manchu? 
Yeah. 

1320
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Which in itself is also a tongue
in cheek joke because Ben 

1321
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:57,760
Kingsley played Gandhi right? 
Oh my God, there's so many 

1322
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,040
layers. 
There's layers. 

1323
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:03,440
There's layers. 
Sherry Moon Zombie in Sherry 

1324
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,160
Moon Zombie and as officers 
slash sisters Ava and Gretchen 

1325
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:12,120
Krupp, the she Devils of Bells. 
Is Sherry moon zombie? 

1326
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:13,920
I have a theory. 
She's a great actress. 

1327
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,840
She has potential. 
What else is she in? 

1328
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:21,200
She was in the zombie Rob Zombie
Halloween movies as Michael 

1329
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:25,800
Myers mother and so they found 
ways to like bring her into both

1330
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,720
movies and she's great. 
Guys, bless her hair, yeah. 

1331
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:34,320
My favorite of the fake trailers
is, of course, Edgar Wright's 

1332
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,040
Don't It. 
Is the best by a long. 

1333
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,800
And that's the one that. 
Didn't give me Yeah, but it's it

1334
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,280
looks amazing. 
How could you make that movie? 

1335
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,000
That is so this is the. 
This is the. 

1336
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,840
It's yeah. 
You just make it. 

1337
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:47,960
Yeah, so good, I think. 
Machete. 

1338
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,200
But also the original screen 
trailer for Scream, which is a 

1339
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:53,520
dimension movie. 
Yes, I feel like there's a a 

1340
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,880
layer here because the original 
trailer for Scream, I remember 

1341
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,240
it so vividly. 
It was don't answer the phone. 

1342
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,400
Don't. 
Open the door. 

1343
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,640
Don't. 
Scream, are you serious? 

1344
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,800
Yeah, that's actually that's 
where the joke is. 

1345
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:06,920
I don't know. 
I don't know, but it's 

1346
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:11,760
definitely well given the. 
Given the sort of like the like 

1347
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,880
the Rose McGowan, like trail to 
trail to Grindhouse, that would 

1348
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,320
make sense. 
Yeah, that would be. 

1349
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:23,000
And that would also lend itself 
to the to the legend of Fuck 

1350
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,720
you, Harvey Weinstein. 
More of a. 

1351
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:25,760
Fuck. 
Absolutely. 

1352
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:27,880
Yeah. 
Did Edgar? 

1353
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:29,480
Oh, no. 
Yeah, but that's Edgar Wright. 

1354
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:30,760
He's hilarious. 
Yeah. 

1355
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,400
Because we love Edgar Wright. 
Yeah, OK. 

1356
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,640
Eli Roth, though Thanksgiving me
was Thanksgiving. 

1357
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,240
Yeah, Eli. 
Roth is a director that I could 

1358
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:44,520
take or leave, but that trailer 
is glorious fun. 

1359
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,680
Greg, what's the best? 
And that movie he made? 

1360
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,080
Have you seen it? 
Oh it's so good. 

1361
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,720
I love it. 
It's so to me it's as good as 

1362
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:53,400
screen Screen. 
Roth one, right? 

1363
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:55,840
Yes, yeah, yeah. 
So yeah, this is one of the ones

1364
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,760
that actually got made. 
So this is a it's a Thanksgiving

1365
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,080
theme. 
But it's different. 

1366
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,160
Movie. 
It's more like, and they had a 

1367
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,120
different approach to the new 
movie because it's not like 

1368
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,640
Machete where they like 
basically make that again. 

1369
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,960
Yeah, the new movie, the new 
Thanksgiving movie has a totally

1370
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,520
different vibe. 
It's like set now and it's not a

1371
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,640
grindhouse movie. 
It's more of a a modern day 

1372
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,400
slash. 
It's it's more of like a 

1373
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,400
contemporary, like it's, it's 
that sort of self referential 

1374
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,680
scream vibe. 
But it's like it starts in a 

1375
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,880
Walmart, right? 
Yeah. 

1376
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:28,360
Yeah, I feel like they still 
covered a lot of the same shots 

1377
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,520
though, because I haven't 
actually seen things. 

1378
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,160
No, what am I? 
I I'm just about to say, I did 

1379
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:34,040
see Thanksgiving. 
Yeah. 

1380
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,360
I didn't sit down and watch it. 
It was on in the background at 

1381
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:37,760
some place. 
And I kept like, you know, 

1382
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,920
tuning in and being like, oh, 
hey, they actually made that 

1383
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,520
Thanksgiving movie. 
You know what it is? 

1384
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,720
It's giving a little bit. 
I know what you did last summer.

1385
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:46,200
Yeah. 
Because there's like this 

1386
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:47,720
tragedy that occurs. 
There's. 

1387
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:49,400
A real whodunnit vibe that's 
great. 

1388
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,000
Yes, yes. 
Yes. 

1389
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,560
So aesthetically it's not 
grindhouse anymore. 

1390
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,160
Like they they just say, oh, 
let's make a, like a genuine 

1391
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,240
slasher, yeah. 
But they're give it like, I 

1392
01:06:57,240 --> 01:07:00,080
think they're trying to like go 
with that idea because it comes 

1393
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,720
across as a genuine thrasher in 
the trailer. 

1394
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,400
But yeah, when they actually end
up and it was only made three 

1395
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:07,560
years ago. 
Yeah, this. 

1396
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,280
It was like a Netflix direct to 
Netflix movie and no. 

1397
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:12,040
I went to theaters. 
I saw something just. 

1398
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:13,800
Good. 
Oh I didn't see in theaters. 

1399
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,440
I saw it on Netflix but it is 
super. 

1400
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:17,560
Fun. 
It's a good one, yeah. 

1401
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,280
The final one though, and now 
Brian and I guess Greg, I, I 

1402
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,320
think you would have seen this, 
but Brian, I don't know if you 

1403
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,560
did. 
Did you see the trailer for Hobo

1404
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:28,160
with a Shotgun? 
No during Grindhouse. 

1405
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:33,120
No that isn't like I literally 
watched this movie today twice 

1406
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:38,800
to prepare and I don't remember 
the the trailer but I know the 

1407
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,640
movie because it was produced in
Toronto. 

1408
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:45,080
So when I watched Grindhouse 
back in 2007, Hobo with a 

1409
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,360
Shotgun was one of the trailers 
that was in it. 

1410
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:50,400
And if this was one of the ones 
Robert Rodriguez had like a 

1411
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,480
contest for like fake trailers 
that you know, if if he would 

1412
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:58,880
and he would add the best one to
showings of Grindhouse. 

1413
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,360
So hobo with a shotgun was like 
from Dartmouth, NS, I think like

1414
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,400
it's a Canadian one that a bunch
of little Canadians made that 

1415
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,040
then aired as one of the fake 
trailers in Grindhouse. 

1416
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,680
And then they ended up making a 
movie of it with Ricker Hauer as

1417
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:15,200
the hobo with the shotgun. 
That's that's I didn't know 

1418
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,040
about hobo with the shotgun. 
Did not know that was the 

1419
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,200
origins. 
Are there other like fake 

1420
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,279
trailers in that competition 
that were? 

1421
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:22,600
Well, I don't know about other 
ones that were in the 

1422
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:23,800
competition. 
This is the only one that 

1423
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,319
actually released with the 
movie. 

1424
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,359
But Greg, you said you knew 
people that actually were 

1425
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,560
involved in this movie. 
Yeah, I used to work with 

1426
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:35,600
somebody that was went to like 
Humber for sound design and that

1427
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:39,560
was one of her like big gigs. 
She left, I used to work for the

1428
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,520
Apple Store and she left Apple 
the I think she left to work on 

1429
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,040
Hubble with a shotgun. 
No way. 

1430
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,920
But I remember that coming up on
her social media and she like 

1431
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,479
really great. 
It was, it was well received. 

1432
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,160
Like it was it was a cult 
classic. 

1433
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,120
Yeah. 
Or it had just a it had a cult 

1434
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,479
reception for sure. 
Yeah. 

1435
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,359
And yeah, I just thought that 
was really cool that that was 

1436
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:03,080
kind of her breakout thing in 
sound design. 

1437
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,479
And she worked on Hobo with a 
shotgun. 

1438
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,840
I would love to have a cool 
thing like that in my sure. 

1439
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:09,120
Repertoire. 
Right, even that. 

1440
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,200
Yeah, yeah. 
Just even to have it. 

1441
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:12,880
Like that's the one thing I ever
worked on. 

1442
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,760
But it's cool and it's mine, you
know what I mean? 

1443
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,160
Like I always think about the 
cool thing in the world is that 

1444
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:23,600
actor who plays the weird 
puppeteer guy who's in Mad Max 

1445
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,120
Fury Rd. 
You know, the guy with the 

1446
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:26,000
guitar and the. 
Fire. 

1447
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:27,520
Oh yeah, he's, that's the, 
that's. 

1448
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,600
You don't see the guy's face, 
You better believe that actor is

1449
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,560
like, so happy. 
He's immortalized. 

1450
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,800
Exactly, Yeah. 
Just to, like rewind a little 

1451
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:37,960
bit though, because we were 
talking about this person I knew

1452
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:41,000
from sound design, I actually 
really appreciate sort of the 

1453
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:46,080
classic mode of, of sound mixing
that they do on throughout both 

1454
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:46,920
of these movies. 
Yeah. 

1455
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,200
It's not as refined as, like, 
the sound mixing you'd find in 

1456
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,920
like, a more recent film, but I 
can really picture kind of like 

1457
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,160
the mix artists, Yeah, being in 
there like crumpling paper and 

1458
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:01,480
like, clinking glasses on the 
table to, like, create the sound

1459
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:03,120
effects. 
And also they have to like 

1460
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,320
backwards educate themselves too
because. 

1461
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:07,280
Yeah, how would they? 
Do the artists is like I know 

1462
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,760
how a woman stiletto sounds, how
did a woman stiletto sound and 

1463
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,560
what did they use for that back?
Then and they were, that's, 

1464
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,360
that's literally what they were 
doing is they were, they weren't

1465
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,080
using contemporary like Foley 
techniques. 

1466
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:25,880
They you clearly were using 
techniques from this era of 

1467
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,760
blind house. 
And I think that was cool. 

1468
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:31,040
What is what is Foley for those 
in our audience that might not 

1469
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,360
know that? 
Well, Foley in movie production,

1470
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,480
the the money I noticed. 
Yeah, well, this is for people 

1471
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:42,320
who don't know the the mics that
people use often don't pick up 

1472
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:46,320
background sounds. 
In fact, they almost never do. 

1473
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:50,080
They only pick up dialogue and. 
Like in this podcast, you guys 

1474
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,680
haven't heard that Ian has been 
frying bacon this entire? 

1475
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:56,920
You can't hear it right. 
So we will be adding those sound

1476
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,200
effects and with our in house 
Foley artists. 

1477
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,040
We releases some 40X. 
We'll have the smell of bacon 

1478
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,960
coming through. 
Yeah, it's a Foley. 

1479
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,000
Artists artificially create 
those sounds. 

1480
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,760
The clinking of the glasses, the
clonking of footsteps, the 

1481
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,480
crashing of cars, the splitting 
open of skulls, the bursting of 

1482
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:17,720
putrid zombie blisters. 
It's. 

1483
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,880
Literally an art form like and 
it can. 

1484
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,960
Make so cool. 
It like gets movies in trouble. 

1485
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,400
Like there's that famous thing 
of I don't want to even talk 

1486
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,600
about it, but you know, in 
American history X, where the 

1487
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,520
guy gets. 
His Oh yeah, the curb. 

1488
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:30,680
Style. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1489
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:33,200
That had a sound effect that 
famously had to be. 

1490
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,880
They were like, you have to 
change it or like, OK, we'll 

1491
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,720
figure it out. 
Interesting. 

1492
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,480
Yeah. 
I've only seen the movie Watch 

1493
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:40,840
once and I can't watch it. 
Specifically because I know, I 

1494
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,720
know apparently it's not that 
bad and it's, it's like all off 

1495
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,920
screen or whatever, but it's, 
it's so disturbing. 

1496
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:47,600
I think I was a child when I saw
that. 

1497
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,120
I don't like it. 
Anyways, happy vibes. 

1498
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,480
Yeah, the Foley artist did good.
Listen, you know we're going to 

1499
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:58,640
go watch some. 
I don't know. 

1500
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,280
Popcorn to poppin. 
Yeah, God, I was going to make, 

1501
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:04,000
I was going to make some 
terrible jokes, but no, that's 

1502
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,240
just, it's just. 
Uncomfortable. 

1503
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,680
We should start doing sound 
effects in the. 

1504
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,000
Middle. 
Yeah, just like. 

1505
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:11,000
No, I no, I can't. 
I should. 

1506
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,560
We should just start eating 
cookies. 

1507
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,320
Don't second guess yourself. 
Go with your instinct, Carl, 

1508
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:16,560
What was, what were you going to
do? 

1509
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:18,840
You're going to boop, boop. 
Oh, who's the comedian that 

1510
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,320
smashes the watermelons? 
Oh. 

1511
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:22,960
I've no idea what you're talking
about. 

1512
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,800
That's for the best because I 
was going to make a joke about 

1513
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,480
that, but anyway, anyway, before
I got myself in too much 

1514
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,160
trouble. 
Why don't we take a break and 

1515
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:53,320
we'll be right back, all right? 
Brian, say that again, OK. 

1516
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,640
OK, it's it's it's a nerd. 
It's a nerd core. 

1517
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,760
But in. 
Once Upon a time in Hollywood. 

1518
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,960
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, 
Kurt Russell. 

1519
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,240
In Once Upon a Time in. 
Hollywood basically, it's not a 

1520
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:07,960
big role or anything, but in 
he's plays a like a he's in 

1521
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,560
charge of stunt people of 
wrangling them. 

1522
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,840
Yes, yes, yes. 
And he has a company or a 

1523
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,680
business that looks after it. 
He's is the father of Kurt 

1524
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,600
Russell's character in Death 
Proof. 

1525
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:25,280
So what you're saying is that 
there is a Quentin Tarantino 

1526
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:28,200
cinematic universe being there 
all around us? 

1527
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,080
There always has been. 
So there's a weird thing. 

1528
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,720
The Apple, you know, the Apple 
cigarettes or the red Apple 

1529
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,960
cigarettes. 
They're in some Quentin 

1530
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,440
Tarantino movies, but not all. 
Some of them are connected to 

1531
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:40,520
each other and some are 
definitely, definitely not. 

1532
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,480
Oh. 
Yeah, that's very cool. 

1533
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,080
I was. 
Yeah. 

1534
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,080
Like, So is Hitler dead in Kill 
Bill? 

1535
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:47,760
I mean, I guess Hitler would 
that's. 

1536
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,920
But sorry, let me let me 
rephrase that. 

1537
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,920
Hitler would have been dead in 
Kill Bill. 

1538
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:52,280
No. 
No. 

1539
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,280
But was Hitler killed in a 
cinema fire in? 

1540
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,120
No, because in Kill Bill it, it 
folds in on its, because in Once

1541
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:00,480
Upon a Time in Hollywood, you 
know that scene where Leo has 

1542
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,560
the flamethrower and he kills 
the Nazis with it? 

1543
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:06,480
Yeah, that would have been like 
a remake of like. 

1544
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:09,080
Hitler's, actually. 
Hitler could be dead in Once 

1545
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,440
Upon a Time in Hollywood, is 
what I'm. 

1546
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:14,000
Saying Can I ask, Is Eli Roth 
the creep? 

1547
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,440
I don't know enough about him 
because I can space on the 

1548
01:14:17,440 --> 01:14:20,040
screen all the time because. 
I think he's a nerd. 

1549
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,000
Always had a bit of a heart on 
God, mom and dad. 

1550
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:25,800
I cannot listen to this article.
My God this is terrible. 

1551
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,840
I've always liked him a little. 
Bit Carl has an erection for 

1552
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,840
him, he. 
Plays, he plays. 30 seconds. 

1553
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:36,160
He plays, he plays the role of a
straight broski. 

1554
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:41,200
Yeah, like douche too. 
Well, that's my concern. 

1555
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,680
I didn't even know that that was
Eli Roth, to be honest. 

1556
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,400
On that note though, Greg, you 
did want to talk about how gay 

1557
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,920
Planet Terror is. 
It's gay. 

1558
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,000
It's fucking gay. 
Collaborate. 

1559
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:51,840
OK. 
Well, obviously. 

1560
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,240
Go, go, Greg. 
Not cry, cry. 

1561
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:59,600
Very good, very good it is. 
Go go Greg, and I won't cry cry.

1562
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:04,480
But I mean a lesbians. 
Oh yeah, gay. 

1563
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:05,360
Lesbians. 
I forgot. 

1564
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:08,880
Women can be gay, yeah. 
Lesbians all over the place. 

1565
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,720
Everyone's lesbians all the 
time. 

1566
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,480
I do think that the movie would 
have been better. 

1567
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:19,960
Oh my God, Cherry ended up with 
what's her name? 

1568
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,120
Mary Shelton. 
Character and I felt for like a 

1569
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,040
split second I I've forgotten 
it. 

1570
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,000
I was like, oh, this could have 
happened. 

1571
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,400
This could have been you. 
Could have got them. 

1572
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,160
Could have got. 
Them, yeah, them together when 

1573
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:32,920
they got oh, it's when they got 
on the motorbike together, 

1574
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:35,760
they're like, and I'm like, yes.
Yeah, what's? 

1575
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,440
Your name? 
Oh, I'm just Cherry. 

1576
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,000
Yeah, yes, certainly. 
You certainly are. 

1577
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:42,440
And Naveen Andrews and the 
balls. 

1578
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:44,280
All very gay. 
Oh. 

1579
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,600
That's disgusting but also very 
gay. 

1580
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:51,400
But also the gay plot line that 
goes undiscovered and unspoken 

1581
01:15:51,400 --> 01:15:55,360
about are the bar owner and the 
sheriff. 

1582
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,600
They are not brothers. 
By Michael Bean like Terminator.

1583
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,440
That's right, Michael Bean and 
Jeff Brothers. 

1584
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,480
They barely talk about the fact 
that they're brothers and then 

1585
01:16:05,480 --> 01:16:07,040
in the end is they're both about
to die. 

1586
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,400
They're like, whatever, we're 
going to do this together 

1587
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,640
because we're brothers. 
I'm like, don't shove it in my 

1588
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,320
face. 
They are gay lovers. 

1589
01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,160
They should have been. 
That was an afterthought. 

1590
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:17,240
They. 
Should listen. 

1591
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:20,280
Maybe that's a maybe that's a 
rough kind of grindhouse element

1592
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,640
where, you know, in the first 
draft of the script they were 

1593
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,720
boyfriends and the meta story of
the whole thing was like, we 

1594
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,800
can't have two gay guys in this 
movie. 

1595
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,320
There was going to see it. 
Exactly, There was nothing 

1596
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:35,440
relevant to the plot that 
required them to be brothers, 

1597
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:38,360
and every time that they were 
spoken of his brothers, it was 

1598
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,480
like this, Ham handed, looking 
at the camera. 

1599
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,640
Almost like because they're 
brothers. 

1600
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,720
That's that's interesting. 
Maybe that's a cinematic 

1601
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,320
shorthand. 
Like maybe to say like to have 

1602
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,680
like an intense relationship 
between two men. 

1603
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,120
You can't really say they're 
friends. 

1604
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,800
So if you say that they're 
brothers, they can, they can get

1605
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,200
upset and fucking fight with 
each other and feel strongly 

1606
01:16:58,200 --> 01:16:59,560
about each other. 
They're doing things. 

1607
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,840
That makes it less gay. 
No, no. 

1608
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,480
No, no, no. 
I think you're both saying the 

1609
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:05,640
same thing. 
It's, you know, like if you want

1610
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:07,840
to write, you want to write 2 
gay characters, but you can't 

1611
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,080
because it's the 70s. 
Yeah. 

1612
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,640
So what do you do? 
Or even the mid 2000s, yeah. 

1613
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,560
Or even the mid. 
Yeah, yeah, let's be real. 

1614
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:17,760
Well, but this, I mean, it was 
very mid 2000s to have hot 

1615
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,760
lesbians in the movie. 
Yeah, you couldn't have gay 

1616
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,720
people in the movie. 
You could have about another 10 

1617
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,800
years. 
No, no, no. 

1618
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,440
Yeah. 
What was the movie I was 

1619
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,480
watching recently? 
Where they go back in time? 

1620
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:30,080
Oh, I was watch. 
I watched What's that Toronto 

1621
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,880
movie? 
Oh, I really want to see that. 

1622
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,880
The not Nirvana the band. 
Nirvana, I need to see it. 

1623
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:37,440
OK. 
Nirvana, the bad of the band of 

1624
01:17:37,440 --> 01:17:41,360
the movie. 
And they go back in time to 2007

1625
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:44,200
when they first like their life 
first starts to fall apart. 

1626
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:47,840
And then they go into a movie 
theater to watch a scary movie 

1627
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:49,800
too. 
And then one of them is like, 

1628
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:52,360
haha, that guy. 
Can I say the F bomb on this? 

1629
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,520
Absolutely. 
Oh, that guy's a faggot. 

1630
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,720
And then the two guys who would 
come from the future, like, oh. 

1631
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,560
You can't say. 
I need to see Nirvana, the Vana.

1632
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:04,760
Show the movie so good. 
But that's like that's what I'm 

1633
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,560
saying is like this movie came 
out in 2007. 

1634
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,800
So funny. 
They like literally in Scary 

1635
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,440
Movie 2, they're everybody's 
calling each other faggot and 

1636
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:15,480
these two guys from 2025 go back
in time and they're like, oh 

1637
01:18:15,480 --> 01:18:18,760
God. 
I I watch scary movie 2 recently

1638
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,880
it is appalling. 
So they have a scene where Tori 

1639
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:26,160
Spelling gets sexually assaulted
by a ghost. 

1640
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,480
It's crazy and I'm like why did 
she agreed to this? 

1641
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:31,640
They're like. 
They're like doing, it's like a 

1642
01:18:31,640 --> 01:18:34,200
a, they're making fun of like 
Hollow Man. 

1643
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,920
There's like a rape scene in The
Hollow Man. 

1644
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Whatever, so they do this to 

1645
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,360
Tori spelling as a joke and it's
it's so horrendous, all those. 

1646
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:45,040
And the 7th one or the 6th 1 is 
coming out. 

1647
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,520
Yeah, yeah. 
We're like, you know, yeah. 

1648
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,480
I'm still going to watch Gene 
Holland on affairs. 

1649
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,840
They look amazing. 
They're well and there's, you 

1650
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,840
know, Holland is like an 
acclaimed dramatic actress who 

1651
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,440
was in one battle after. 
Another she was, I've got this 

1652
01:18:56,800 --> 01:19:00,040
terrific in it. 
The one thing I wanted to talk 

1653
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,040
about, though, that we didn't 
talk about about Death Proof 

1654
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,720
kept talking about Hitchcock. 
And I keep joking about Quentin 

1655
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:07,280
Tarantino wishing he was 
Hitchcock by like inserting 

1656
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,760
himself in his movies and all 
that stuff. 

1657
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,200
But this, we've brought this up 
on the podcast before about 

1658
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,640
like, like Alfred Hitchcock's 
theory of suspense. 

1659
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,200
And so Greg, like, I'll pose 
this to you. 

1660
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,040
What is more suspenseful? 
The scene is you have two people

1661
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:26,720
in a cafe and an assassin plants
a bomb under them that then you 

1662
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,000
know he's trying to kill them 
and it blows up and it kills 

1663
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,000
them. 
What is more suspenseful? 

1664
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:33,600
You don't tell the audience 
about the bomb. 

1665
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:37,480
You have a scene of two people 
talking in a cafe and then all 

1666
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:40,120
of a sudden bam, sudden 
explosion. 

1667
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,520
Everybody dies. 
Or do you show the guy planting 

1668
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,480
the bomb, you show him setting a
15 minute timer, you show him 

1669
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,680
walking away from the bomb, and 
then you show the two people 

1670
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:53,120
sitting down in the cafe and 
talking for 15 minutes while the

1671
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,960
audience knows there's a bomb 
under there and it is going to 

1672
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,960
go off Option B. 
And so that's I think what 

1673
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,400
Quentin Tarantino was going for 
in Death Proof because, you 

1674
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:06,840
know, the girls are doomed. 
Like, you know, and like, I 

1675
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,160
think he's doing that exercise 
where like especially, 

1676
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,160
obviously, especially with the 
first one, because I don't think

1677
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,680
it's any surprise to anybody 
that stuntman Mike is going to 

1678
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:20,680
murder these girls with his car.
So the entire like, however long

1679
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:24,640
that is. 35 minutes of that 
first sequence, you are it is an

1680
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,920
extended Alfred Hitchcock bomb 
suspense thing for sure, where 

1681
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,760
you know they're going to die. 
And you spend the every scene 

1682
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,360
where they're talking and 
they're having lunch and they're

1683
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,040
having, you know, and getting 
disappointed by their boyfriend 

1684
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,200
not showing up and all these 
kinds of things. 

1685
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,400
And the rain is pouring and all 
these things is it's the Alfred 

1686
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,000
Hitchcock suspense because you 
know they are going to get hit 

1687
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:52,040
by a car. 
And legs get set turn out into 

1688
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:53,680
the room. 
Yeah, I agree with you, but I 

1689
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:58,000
have another thought. 
Maybe I agree that it could be 

1690
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,040
Hitchcock, but I'm thinking more
like a a psycho. 

1691
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,640
Well, like as in it's a. 
Mislead. 

1692
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:06,880
Hitchcock is the director of 
Psycho. 

1693
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,760
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, like, as in it's more 

1694
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:14,280
like Psycho's opening where, Oh 
yeah, audiences don't like 

1695
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,880
they're connecting with this 
character and they're not 

1696
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,560
expecting these characters to 
die. 

1697
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,640
Maybe subconsciously they're 
dialed into. 

1698
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,040
It they know something is going 
to happen, yeah. 

1699
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,600
Yeah, no. 
Why can't it be both? 

1700
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,800
It's both. 
It 100% is both. 

1701
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,120
Why can't? 
Why can't it be both a zombie 

1702
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,920
movie and a slasher movie? 
Why can't it be both directed by

1703
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,440
Robert Rodriguez and Tarantino? 
You know, why can't Rose McGowan

1704
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:44,560
be in both planetaries? 
Why can't she have a wooden leg 

1705
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,680
and a machine gun leg? 
I I. 

1706
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,040
Think the thought was that she 
was going to be the same 

1707
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:53,000
character in both movies and 
then a creative decision came 

1708
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,440
down the chain. 
And I think it's with Death 

1709
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:59,120
Proof where they were like, OK, 
I my theory, I think I think she

1710
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,760
was supposed to have her leg out
like as a shot, have her leg out

1711
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,760
and she was going to lose her 
leg and that she was going to 

1712
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:12,280
port over to planet terror with 
like the leg issue like pre like

1713
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:13,440
we actually. 
See. 

1714
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:17,320
Can't believe we've have have 
spent barely any time talking 

1715
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:19,040
about the wooden. 
The machine gun. 

1716
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,160
No, not the wooden leg. 
The machine gun. 

1717
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,560
Rocket launcher, Yeah. 
We forgot that was. 

1718
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,200
Barely in the movie like it 
really. 

1719
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,040
She only gets it right at the 
very end. 

1720
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,800
But it is it's coolest. 
My favorite part? 

1721
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,000
It's coolest. 
It was in the movie poster. 

1722
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,160
It was in every like, magazine 
or whatever. 

1723
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:36,880
It was showing Rose McGowan with
a fucking gun for a leg. 

1724
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:40,040
Yeah, it's wild. 
So OK then boys, to wrap this 

1725
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:44,960
up, let's you know which one do 
you like more, Planet terror or 

1726
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,800
death proof? 
Let's start start with you, 

1727
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:50,440
Brian. 
I'm going to lean towards Planet

1728
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,080
Terror. 
And why would you lean towards 

1729
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,560
planet terror? 
I just for this rewatch, I, I 

1730
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:57,640
really, really opened my eyes to
I like the love for John 

1731
01:22:57,640 --> 01:23:01,000
Carpenter. 
And yeah, I think it's a special

1732
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,800
movie. 
I think it's, it's, it's 

1733
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,160
slightly bigger in scope and 
scale. 

1734
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,520
It's sleazier, it's grosser, 
it's a bit more fringe. 

1735
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:10,880
Yeah, Greg, how about you? 
Planetary or death? 

1736
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:15,200
Proof I'm not even leaning I'm I
am leaping towards death proof. 

1737
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,520
I do find that you like are so 
not death proof, planetary death

1738
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,320
proof I found to be a bit dry 
and about like little bit drawn 

1739
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,080
out. 
The tension really wasn't 

1740
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:25,600
building for me. 
I mean, that being said, I'd 

1741
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,600
seen the movie before and I knew
it was going to happen. 

1742
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,200
Yeah, so perhaps that could have
contributed to it. 

1743
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,880
But I love a fucking ridiculous 
movie. 

1744
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:35,560
If you if the movie is 
ridiculous and the and the movie

1745
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:40,760
knows that it's ridiculous, I am
on board The gore, the violence,

1746
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,280
the hypersexual. 
Like, everyone's a stripper, 

1747
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:45,560
everyone's a lesbian and like 
it's. 

1748
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:48,200
Everyone's a BBQ chef. 
Everyone's a BBQ chef. 

1749
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,960
It's it's like so fucking 
ridiculous. 

1750
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:54,240
I absolutely love it. 
You need to see Machete, then 

1751
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:55,160
you absolutely just. 
Need to. 

1752
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,080
I think I do need to see Machete
knowing I knew it was a movie. 

1753
01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:59,560
I just have never seen it. 
Yeah. 

1754
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,480
And it's so absurd and 
entertaining and disgusting and 

1755
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,320
who doesn't love Fergie getting 
her skull open was. 

1756
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:08,760
In that movie, it was amazing. 
Yeah. 

1757
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,840
I would have to say Planetary as
well. 

1758
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,400
This this time, I think like I 
mentioned before, when these 

1759
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,280
movies came out, I think I would
have said Death Proof was my 

1760
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,520
favorite movie because I 
appreciated what was trying to 

1761
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:22,280
do. 
Well, I was in my 20s. 

1762
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:24,920
I was I, you know, you, you 
think that you think you're the 

1763
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,360
smartest person in the world 
when you are 21 years old. 

1764
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,240
Now that I'm 40 years old, I 
think I'm probably on the low 

1765
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,000
end of the smart people in this 
world. 

1766
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,680
I don't know. 
I don't know shit. 

1767
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,920
But I will say, yeah. 
I think like watching it the 

1768
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:42,800
second time, it's just like 
Planet Air is a more solid 

1769
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:43,920
movie. 
Yeah. 

1770
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:46,640
Than Death Proof. 
Death Proof is, is is almost 

1771
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,600
like an exercise. 
I was gonna say it's an 

1772
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,080
experiment. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1773
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,800
Which is which. 
And I get that, and I 

1774
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:53,280
understand. 
I kind of appreciate what 

1775
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:56,400
Quentin Tarantino is doing in 
it, and I think parts of it do 

1776
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,160
that really well. 
I just don't know if that makes 

1777
01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:00,000
the most interesting movie. 
Yep. 

1778
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,200
You know. 
You got a point. 

1779
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,600
Roger Ebert I of course, of 
course. 

1780
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:06,680
I love to bring up Roger Ebert. 
He gave RIP. 

1781
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,080
Yeah, rest his soul, he gave. 
He gave the whole thing. 

1782
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:14,480
He gave Grindhouse 2 1/2 stars. 
He gave Planetary 2 stars and 

1783
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:16,960
Death Proof three stars. 
Yeah, because he's an 

1784
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,440
inseparable intellectual. 
Oh, you shut your whore mouth. 

1785
01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:25,400
Yeah, Carl's right, but also 
this movie is not made for him. 

1786
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,840
This is not a movie for Roger 
Ebert. 

1787
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,280
They're true, but I mean he his 
his rating system was out of 

1788
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,040
four stars. 
So 2 is kind of mid, 3 is 

1789
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,240
pretty. 
I want to fight about Roger 

1790
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:37,040
Ebert. 
I know you. 

1791
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:37,320
Yeah. 
Great. 

1792
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,200
It's been so nice having you on 
the podcast. 

1793
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,360
Hold on, I. 
I do want to say though, OK, 

1794
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,960
we're sorry, Brian, which? 
One was the one that gave Home 

1795
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,840
Alone 3A good review. 
Oh, Siskel. 

1796
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,000
That was Gene Siskel. 
No, no, no, no. 

1797
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,440
Ebert, Ebert. 
Ebert was the one that gave Home

1798
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,720
Alone 3A really good review. 
You said it was the best one. 

1799
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,840
Yeah. 
That's wild. 

1800
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,040
And then, oh God, no, we're 
misquoting this, that we bring 

1801
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,880
that up all the time. 
And then they're like, well, you

1802
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,120
like Starship. 
Cisco was like, how could you 

1803
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,240
have liked that movie? 
It was trash from beginning to 

1804
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:12,520
end. 
It was so redundant and 

1805
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,160
reductive. 
Who didn't like Starship 

1806
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:18,040
Troopers? 
Oh, Ebert was like thought like 

1807
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:21,680
to defend himself against liking
Home Alone Three. 

1808
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,680
He would throw Siskel under the 
bus by saying, well, you liked. 

1809
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,960
Starship Troopers. 
Starship Troopers was amazing. 

1810
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:30,680
I know he meant it as like an 
attack. 

1811
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,520
It's also so gay. 
Have you guys talked? 

1812
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,320
That was our fifth or sixth 
episode, I think. 

1813
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:38,240
I wish I was there very. 
Much. 

1814
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:40,560
Now, Tamar, have you ever 
listened to the show? 

1815
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,320
Cobble a bunch. 
Listen. 

1816
01:26:45,480 --> 01:26:48,680
Before we go, I was pointing out
to you guys before this that 

1817
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,240
we've had a couple of really 
good weeks. 

1818
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,280
Our our previous episode with 
Tim Spencer got a lot of 

1819
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,440
listens. 
So thank you to Tim and 

1820
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,560
everybody who listened to this 
for the first time. 

1821
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:02,800
But we have had like a big tick 
in listeners and we discovered 

1822
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,680
that a whole bunch of them are 
from Vietnam. 

1823
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,160
So hello to all of our new 
listeners in Vietnam. 

1824
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,360
It's been a pleasure having you 
join us on the podcast. 

1825
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,640
Give me a second here. 
I'll translate something into 

1826
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,600
Vietnamese. 
What should I, what should guys?

1827
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,320
What should I tell our 
Vietnamese listeners? 

1828
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,280
I was going to say like that 
you're in my good books quote, 

1829
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,120
but we don't. 
Want to make them vomit? 

1830
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,720
OK, sorry. 
That's yeah, yeah. 

1831
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,360
You're in my good book. 
You're in, you're in our good 

1832
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:33,040
books. 
It's just so no, that's not 

1833
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,120
going to work because like good 
books is like a it's like a 

1834
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:37,160
colloquialism. 
Which do we have? 

1835
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,360
A Queen's video catch phrase? 
We don't. 

1836
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:41,800
Oh God, this is terrible. 
Yeah, well, why did you? 

1837
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:42,720
Guys have a catch phrase. 
It's. 

1838
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,120
Supposed to be entertainment, 
yeah. 

1839
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:49,560
Why don't I just tell them to 
write into 

1840
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:53,480
queensvideopodcast@gmail.com? 
That's what I'm going to do. 

1841
01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:54,880
OK, hold on. 
I'm just going to type this up. 

1842
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,640
You guys. 
You guys talk amongst yourself. 

1843
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:57,880
We're going to. 
Vamp, we're just going to. 

1844
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:00,640
Vamp Starship Troopers. 
I don't know if sexual 

1845
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,000
awakening. 
But it's very open, like the 

1846
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:04,960
sexuality is very open in that 
movie. 

1847
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:06,960
I think so, and isn't the 
director was his name. 

1848
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,000
Paul Verhoeven. 
Isn't he a MO? 

1849
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:10,640
No. 
Are you sure? 

1850
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,320
No, he's just Dutch. 
Yeah. 

1851
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:15,400
He's just close enough. 
Everybody go back and listen to 

1852
01:28:15,480 --> 01:28:17,720
our RoboCop and Starship 
Troopers episode of Queen's 

1853
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,240
video podcast. 
And imagine I'm there talking 

1854
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:22,600
about it too, Greg, you have 
been. 

1855
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:25,680
An absolute treat. 
We we, we should do Starship 

1856
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,200
Troopers again. 
We should go back to some of the

1857
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,400
old episodes. 
Yeah, like re hate 50th episode 

1858
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:34,400
special idea. 
How about Starship Troopers 2? 

1859
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,520
We review the ones we haven't 
seen. 

1860
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,240
Dad, I forgot. 
No, I'm kidding. 

1861
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,440
I'm absolutely kidding. 
I'm. 

1862
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:41,920
We're not doing that. 
Why you guys don't hate watch 

1863
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:42,880
things? 
No. 

1864
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Oh wait, that's not true. 
We just hate watch wise girls. 

1865
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:51,000
We love we. 
Love we we listen it there was a

1866
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,400
treat I will. 
Sure, I believe you. 

1867
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,640
OK. 
I do, though, want to tell all 

1868
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,280
of our listeners to write in to 
send your questions and comments

1869
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:03,080
to queensvideopodcast@gmail.com 
and for all of our listeners in 

1870
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:17,400
Vietnam. 
GQUENSVIDOPODCASTR. 

1871
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,920
The Mill. 
Jump, Tom. 

1872
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,400
That's right Vietnam listen to 
Queens video podcast and thank 

1873
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,640
you so much for tuning in 
you're. 

1874
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,560
A professional that was 
flawless. 

1875
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:31,240
That was iconic. 
You know, I think I'm surrounded

1876
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,720
by two professionals right here.
Ryan, you're always a consummate

1877
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:36,480
professional. 
And Greg, you have been 

1878
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,600
fantastic on this episode. 
So fun. 

1879
01:29:38,600 --> 01:29:42,280
Thank you so much for fun. 
I love this. 

1880
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:43,880
This was a blast. 
I love these movies. 

1881
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,120
I love you guys. 
Whenever you want to have me 

1882
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:47,880
back. 
Oh, you'll be back soon, don't 

1883
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,640
worry. 
OK, bye, bye. 

1884
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:50,320
Bye. 
Bye. 

1885
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:51,280
Bye. 
Bye, bye, bye. 

1886
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:01,360
Thank you for listening to 
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1887
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,000
Griffin and Carl Swanson with 
extra special guest judge Greg 

1888
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,360
Baker. 
Queens Video was produced by Ian

1889
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,720
O'Connor with theme music by 
Leonard Swanson. 

1890
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:13,280
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1891
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:17,120
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1892
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:20,680
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1893
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,040
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1894
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:23,600
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