1 00:00:00,980 --> 00:00:03,550 Hey, friends. Welcome to another episode of 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,370 KPC Podcast, which is just slowly becoming the name of this 3 00:00:07,380 --> 00:00:09,830 thing. We're grateful to have you with 4 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:14,030 us and talking through some of the questions related to Sunday 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,630 morning and more specifically related to the passage that we 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,190 preach through toward greater application in your life. 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,030 And one of the things that we've been asking for is some 8 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:26,740 feedback. We've been asking for questions 9 00:00:26,750 --> 00:00:30,930 and we've been asking for comments to be sent to questions 10 00:00:31,150 --> 00:00:34,200 at KPC. Our. 11 00:00:34,210 --> 00:00:35,800 Church.org. There you go. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,920 One day I'll learn this. And we have both of those this 13 00:00:39,930 --> 00:00:41,680 morning. So we received a good question 14 00:00:41,690 --> 00:00:45,480 in that we're going to discuss in a little bit, and we also 15 00:00:45,490 --> 00:00:47,840 received some feedback from last week's episode. 16 00:00:47,850 --> 00:00:51,180 So last week's rules were a little bit reversed. 17 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:55,540 I got to sit interviewing Lindsey after she preached and 18 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:57,980 we talked around the idea of Sabbath. 19 00:00:58,050 --> 00:01:02,080 One of the questions that we left you with was just describe 20 00:01:02,090 --> 00:01:04,220 some of your own Sabbath practices. 21 00:01:04,379 --> 00:01:07,650 Hmm. And I think in a in a hopes that 22 00:01:07,700 --> 00:01:11,270 we would be able to encourage each other to practice Sabbath a 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,390 little bit more intentionally, we received some suggestions or 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,940 some comments on what's working for some folks. 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,410 So yeah, this is great. There's one family gave just 26 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:25,930 like a little mini list of some of the things that they've been 27 00:01:25,940 --> 00:01:31,230 doing, which is great. They mentioned no tech Sundays, 28 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,340 that is. That's a hard one to keep with 29 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:35,410 kids needing computers for school. 30 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,400 But loosely they try to do no YouTube videos, digital 31 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:43,540 entertainment. So that's that's one thing they 32 00:01:43,550 --> 00:01:46,250 do. They do Sunday walks with the 33 00:01:46,260 --> 00:01:53,070 dog in an off leash area. They do visits with visits with 34 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,270 family, which is always great. They do Sunday evening board 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,070 game night, which is that's great. 36 00:02:00,140 --> 00:02:01,540 Goes hand in hand with the no test. 37 00:02:01,550 --> 00:02:03,950 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, that's one of our 38 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,070 gotos. Like pull out, Uno, skip bow, 39 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,300 things like that, Yeah. I have Uno card remaining from 40 00:02:12,310 --> 00:02:15,470 my Uno deck like it's just. Lost. 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:16,860 Oh no, we see. We have we have three. 42 00:02:16,870 --> 00:02:20,450 I could let you borrow one. We have Mario Kart, Uno, OHS. 43 00:02:20,460 --> 00:02:24,960 We have Uno all Wild, which is like all the cards are crazy, 44 00:02:25,030 --> 00:02:28,070 OK, and then just regular Uno. That's chaotic. 45 00:02:28,110 --> 00:02:33,610 Yeah, Yeah, that's great. And then finally upper they 46 00:02:33,620 --> 00:02:37,710 supper is simple with smoothies and fresh from the oven muffins, 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,350 which I love. I love that it's like barely, 48 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,450 you know, you don't have to cook a crazy meal or something like 49 00:02:44,460 --> 00:02:46,210 that to. Do you like that? 50 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:49,430 Yeah, I like all of those. I would love to include all of 51 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,790 those practices in my Sabbath practice. 52 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,000 Yeah. It's interesting how we've taken 53 00:02:55,010 --> 00:02:58,970 a lot of those. So I would, I think I'm safe in 54 00:02:58,980 --> 00:03:04,660 saying none of those were in the original iterations of the law 55 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:10,370 around Sabbath. However, all of them make sense 56 00:03:10,620 --> 00:03:15,170 in terms of what like a biblical view of Sabbath would include. 57 00:03:15,460 --> 00:03:18,510 And so I love that piece. Like there's intentional time 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,910 together with family. So there's cultivating good rich 59 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,260 relationships. They mention Sunday, so I'm like 60 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:27,430 I'm assuming churches in there. There's intentional, say, like 61 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:31,490 fasting from technology, you know, to use that language, 62 00:03:31,620 --> 00:03:34,970 which is different than fasting from food, but to intentionally 63 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:38,270 go without something for the sake of something else. 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:44,410 And so, you know, you do see people who still observe this 65 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:48,070 observe the Sabbath. Would, you know, I think 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,690 consider in some ways technology to be work of some sort, right? 67 00:03:51,740 --> 00:03:56,790 And so that's off the table. And I just think that's great. 68 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,950 I can go a day without your phone. 69 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:02,720 It's hard and like I also I love that. 70 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,140 So the smoothies and muffins, there's you've got a plan for 71 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:08,620 that. There needs to be preparation 72 00:04:08,630 --> 00:04:10,100 ahead of time. You got to think it through. 73 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:14,140 It's intentional and you're trying not to cook like we're 74 00:04:14,150 --> 00:04:14,610 just. We're not. 75 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:15,600 Working. It's simple. 76 00:04:15,610 --> 00:04:18,180 It's exactly Yeah, I love all of those. 77 00:04:18,290 --> 00:04:21,160 If you could include one of those, just try one of those. 78 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:23,380 This week. I'm gonna try the smoothie one. 79 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,080 That's great. Awesome. 80 00:04:26,980 --> 00:04:29,710 So we got some questions for Luke Six. 81 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,150 Yeah, still in Luke 6. So this week we're only what 82 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,070 this is only our second week in look 6 right, Just preparing. 83 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,090 That's right. It's good. 84 00:04:37,100 --> 00:04:42,110 But it's gonna get into some real intense stuff at the church 85 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,150 here. We're going to be doing our 86 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,660 community Bible study starting this week and throughout the 87 00:04:46,670 --> 00:04:50,000 month of May and it will be exclusively dealing with some of 88 00:04:50,010 --> 00:04:52,670 the the segments from Luke chapter 6. 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,210 And this is sort of the the precursor. 90 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:59,800 It's sort of as you described as anti right described. 91 00:04:59,860 --> 00:05:01,820 Yeah, it's sort of the the huddle. 92 00:05:01,890 --> 00:05:05,100 It's the huddle with the with the, the football team, soccer 93 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:10,980 team or hockey team or whatever before, before the, you know, 94 00:05:10,990 --> 00:05:13,970 they're given the game plan, but you got to gather around first, 95 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:14,880 right? And that's kind of what's 96 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:17,640 happening here. Jesus calls the disciples. 97 00:05:17,690 --> 00:05:23,120 He calls the 12 particularly distinguishes between disciples 98 00:05:23,130 --> 00:05:28,640 broader and apostles, who in this case was was 12, which 99 00:05:28,690 --> 00:05:29,990 we'll get into that a little bit more later. 100 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,050 But that doesn't necessarily mean that there were only 12, 101 00:05:33,060 --> 00:05:37,550 period. But so, yeah, there's a great 102 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,540 little game plan. And then you see this, you know, 103 00:05:39,550 --> 00:05:43,310 this Kingdom moment where, you know, Jesus is just there and 104 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,250 people are being healed and receiving, you know, receiving 105 00:05:48,260 --> 00:05:52,370 cures from impure spirits and just power, the power of the 106 00:05:52,380 --> 00:05:55,090 Kingdom just flowing out all over the place, which is like 107 00:05:55,180 --> 00:05:57,370 pretty cool. So got all this happening right 108 00:05:57,380 --> 00:06:03,010 before these really these really meaningful teachings that Jesus 109 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:05,320 provides. And so we have this unique 110 00:06:05,380 --> 00:06:09,720 little moment here. And you touched on this idea of 111 00:06:10,860 --> 00:06:14,610 I of the symbolism, the the you check with the alarm bell of 112 00:06:14,620 --> 00:06:16,870 like, hey, this is like this should be ringing some bells 113 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,070 When you hear some of this language, language of the 12 114 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,990 language, you know, that would hearken back to the 12 tribes of 115 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:29,730 Israel and language that would bring us back to many parts of 116 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,770 the Scriptures from Genesis to to beyond to the kings. 117 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:42,180 But particularly here there is this image of Moses ascending 118 00:06:42,190 --> 00:06:46,920 the mountain and returning and and that that seems to be the 119 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:49,970 most poignant image that is created there. 120 00:06:49,980 --> 00:06:52,850 That would be fair to say. Yeah, yeah, I think so. 121 00:06:52,860 --> 00:06:55,700 I think certainly going up the mountain, whether it be it Moses 122 00:06:55,710 --> 00:06:58,850 or, you know, I think certainly Moses going up the mountain to 123 00:06:58,860 --> 00:07:03,810 receive the 10 commandments is probably the most significant, 124 00:07:03,820 --> 00:07:09,270 one of the most significant, you know, moments in in biblical 125 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,210 Israel's history. Yeah. 126 00:07:11,220 --> 00:07:16,640 So yeah. Yeah, so, you know, cause Jesus, 127 00:07:16,650 --> 00:07:19,500 in some ways he, he is, he's ascending. 128 00:07:19,620 --> 00:07:23,100 He comes back down and he's like, OK, we gotta talk. 129 00:07:23,150 --> 00:07:26,760 You know, like there's, there is definitely some of that there. 130 00:07:26,810 --> 00:07:30,050 So one of the questions that I had, this is not one of our, our 131 00:07:30,060 --> 00:07:32,630 reader questions, but one that I thought was a, a good place to 132 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:39,140 start was, and I, I know we were kind of veering into the, you 133 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:42,800 know, speculating a little bit, but I think it's, it's a 134 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:46,570 worthwhile speculation of how would the hearers have heard 135 00:07:46,580 --> 00:07:48,460 this? How would the, the early 136 00:07:48,470 --> 00:07:51,700 hearers, the early readers, those who were present, you 137 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:55,390 know, let's say for the first, you know, 1st century post, you 138 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,190 know, post Jesus during that time, how would they have seen 139 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,280 these events? For those who would have 140 00:08:01,330 --> 00:08:06,380 certainly had a the the the Jews would have certainly had a, a 141 00:08:06,390 --> 00:08:09,850 framework for the, the symbolism. 142 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:14,510 There are a lot of when you read through the the entire Bible, 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,550 there are a lot of numbers are very important. 144 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:22,290 A lot of a lot of repeated patterns are very important. 145 00:08:22,300 --> 00:08:23,970 They are. They symbolize something that's 146 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:29,040 very meaningful. And so would they have received 147 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:34,679 this as, like, deeply offensive? Would this have been scandalous? 148 00:08:34,770 --> 00:08:37,580 Would this have provoked curiosity? 149 00:08:37,690 --> 00:08:41,730 Would this have given them hope? Yeah. 150 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:45,520 Like I'm just trying to think through what this would have 151 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:49,360 meant to the people. So I feel like the safe answer 152 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:51,220 is just yes to. All of those, right? 153 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,660 Yeah, You know, I, yeah, I, I do wanna be. 154 00:08:56,740 --> 00:09:00,430 On the one hand, I, I think there's a fairly straightforward 155 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,890 answer. And I, I think the answer is 156 00:09:01,900 --> 00:09:04,510 yes. I think people would have seen 157 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:10,770 what Jesus is doing and that would have stirred in them 158 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:15,160 something. See, that's not the same thing 159 00:09:15,210 --> 00:09:17,900 for everybody, right? So the crowds follow him, 160 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:20,330 obviously, like the crowd here is growing. 161 00:09:20,510 --> 00:09:24,520 So not only do we have like all over Judea, we also have 162 00:09:24,530 --> 00:09:29,940 Jerusalem being included here. Like the religious for, for you 163 00:09:29,950 --> 00:09:34,920 know, for Israel, for Jewish followers of God like this, this 164 00:09:34,930 --> 00:09:37,590 is everything happens around temple. 165 00:09:37,650 --> 00:09:41,480 And so they're coming out from like the centre of the religious 166 00:09:41,490 --> 00:09:46,660 universe in their understanding to see Jesus, to hear his 167 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:49,940 teaching, to be healed, to see what's happening, to see other 168 00:09:49,950 --> 00:09:51,880 people being healed. Like for whatever reason, be it 169 00:09:51,890 --> 00:09:56,920 curiosity or, you know, commitment, like conviction or 170 00:09:56,930 --> 00:10:00,900 judgment, anger, concern, you know, you see all of it. 171 00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:06,420 At least I think we see all of it not only from Judea and 172 00:10:06,490 --> 00:10:11,100 Jerusalem, but now from from Tyre and Sidon as well, which 173 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:17,070 were, I believe Phoenician provinces of Rome. 174 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,510 And I might be wrong on that. Somebody can Fact Check me and 175 00:10:19,580 --> 00:10:25,930 and let me know. But distinctly not Jewish or not 176 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:31,150 overtly Jewish areas. And so like the crowds growing 177 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,950 here. So I think it's fair to say in 178 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,710 Luke's telling of the story that people are hearing about Jesus, 179 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:41,670 and at very least they're curious. 180 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:43,830 Yeah, right. So they're going out to see him 181 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,110 to here to witness what's happening. 182 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:51,440 And you know, I, I think there's some deep conviction in certain 183 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:54,800 individuals. So you have the women who the 184 00:10:54,810 --> 00:10:59,860 woman who reaches out and touches Jesus cloak because she 185 00:10:59,870 --> 00:11:03,440 just, she wants to be healed, you know, and be it like a last 186 00:11:03,450 --> 00:11:07,980 ditch effort or full faith or, you know, maybe some mixture of 187 00:11:07,990 --> 00:11:13,400 both, which feels pretty human. Something's happening and people 188 00:11:13,410 --> 00:11:16,930 wanna get close to to Jesus and experience it for themselves. 189 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:20,650 And then there's also individuals and groups together, 190 00:11:20,660 --> 00:11:24,150 like we see the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who at 191 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,810 this point are like plotting. They've begun to plot against 192 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,580 Jesus. After seeing, I think 193 00:11:28,590 --> 00:11:32,250 particularly the the healing of the paralytic and, and the 194 00:11:32,260 --> 00:11:35,650 interaction about the forgiveness of sin, you know, 195 00:11:35,660 --> 00:11:39,110 there there's certainly a reputation being built. 196 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,010 Yeah. So I think again, Luke wants to 197 00:11:41,020 --> 00:11:43,340 make it very clear that that people are seeing what Jesus is 198 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:46,700 doing. And either they are intrigued, 199 00:11:46,710 --> 00:11:53,940 curious, convicted, convinced, or their, you know, to some 200 00:11:53,950 --> 00:11:58,560 degree plotting part of this, this religious group that, you 201 00:11:58,570 --> 00:12:00,080 know, can't allow for this to happen. 202 00:12:00,090 --> 00:12:03,420 It's it's, you know, it's, it's not happening that maybe it's in 203 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:07,330 their mind like the way it should or with the people who 204 00:12:07,340 --> 00:12:10,840 should be involved and included, you know, why aren't we in? 205 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:12,370 There's a little bit of that going on. 206 00:12:12,380 --> 00:12:16,570 So I think it's fair to say that people are seeing what Jesus is 207 00:12:16,580 --> 00:12:21,680 doing and recognizing it as something significant and 208 00:12:21,690 --> 00:12:25,770 powerful. And yet we also see this, you 209 00:12:25,780 --> 00:12:31,030 know, in John, I think in John's Gospel, especially the way that 210 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,670 narrative progresses, there are these constant lines, like right 211 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:37,670 up until Jesus's death, the disciples still didn't fully 212 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,430 understand. They still don't fully 213 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,110 understand what's about to happen. 214 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,170 But you know, when they see Jesus post resurrection, then 215 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:46,350 they start like things start to fully click. 216 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,460 And in the years that follow after, you assume that I can 217 00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:54,290 imagine them going, Oh, my goodness, how did we miss that? 218 00:12:54,660 --> 00:12:56,510 Right. Just sitting around, remember 219 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,410 when what? Like that was so much more 220 00:12:58,420 --> 00:13:00,530 significant than we could have seen in the moment. 221 00:13:00,540 --> 00:13:03,370 So like, I think there's some of that as well going on. 222 00:13:04,020 --> 00:13:06,200 That's why I say like, yes to all of it. 223 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:10,330 Yeah. I think the thing that is clear, 224 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:17,600 I think probably fairly universally agreed on, is like 225 00:13:17,650 --> 00:13:22,540 Luke is making it clear here. So I think in the writing of it, 226 00:13:23,330 --> 00:13:27,160 Luke wants us to see Moses. Yeah, Like that's intentional. 227 00:13:27,470 --> 00:13:31,280 Whether everybody in the crowd as Jesus came down from the 228 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:32,930 mountain, we're like, this is Moses. 229 00:13:32,940 --> 00:13:36,250 It's a new. Like that's a that's a stretch 230 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:39,020 to say like, yeah, definitively, yes, absolutely. 231 00:13:39,090 --> 00:13:43,280 What we do know is that it's an intentional move for Luke. 232 00:13:43,330 --> 00:13:49,180 He wants us to see it, and it is indicative of the time, Like the 233 00:13:49,190 --> 00:13:53,130 mountain was the place of revelation from God. 234 00:13:53,790 --> 00:14:00,310 And it was seen as in many ways, a place of prayer, place where 235 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,380 God is close, a place where God delivers messages to his people, 236 00:14:04,430 --> 00:14:07,640 and a place where we go to find out what God is doing and what 237 00:14:07,650 --> 00:14:09,740 we're doing and what needs to change in all of those things. 238 00:14:09,750 --> 00:14:14,360 So I do think that that would have been instilled in certainly 239 00:14:14,370 --> 00:14:20,670 the Jewish observers be like, this is maybe not, you know, 240 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,470 Messiah, Son of God, Son of man fully, God fully. 241 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,210 Like maybe not all of those things, but I do think they 242 00:14:29,220 --> 00:14:32,430 would have been going ohhhhh, something's happening. 243 00:14:32,740 --> 00:14:37,870 I, I'm just thinking this out in real time, but I also wonder if 244 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:42,950 there's a little bit of a, a kind of a political underpinning 245 00:14:43,010 --> 00:14:47,110 with, you know, contextually, Moses is in the wilderness 246 00:14:48,500 --> 00:14:52,320 leading, you know, leading God's people to the promised land 247 00:14:53,010 --> 00:14:55,980 right now for Israel, it probably feels like they're in 248 00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:58,580 the wilderness, even though they are settled in this land, but 249 00:14:58,590 --> 00:15:02,980 they're under Roman occupation. And, and you have this, you 250 00:15:02,990 --> 00:15:07,980 know, Moses type figure, OK, what's, what's the message he's 251 00:15:07,990 --> 00:15:10,300 going to deliver from, from on high? 252 00:15:10,350 --> 00:15:13,700 You know, there's, there's, there's a little bit of that, 253 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,080 you know, as we've seen leading up to Easter, this OK, what is, 254 00:15:18,150 --> 00:15:21,710 is this going to be a political movement that this person is now 255 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,410 going to to bring that will speak to our current paradigm 256 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:29,190 and reality? I think that's, I think that's 257 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,340 good. I think that's good. 258 00:15:30,350 --> 00:15:32,630 There's this line and I can't remember exactly where it is. 259 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,830 It's gonna bother me, but in part of the workings out of the 260 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,910 law, the the line is so that it may go well with you. 261 00:15:45,010 --> 00:15:48,890 And, you know, I I do think people are sitting there going 262 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:51,410 like, well, things aren't going particularly well for us right 263 00:15:51,420 --> 00:15:52,690 now. What's that about? 264 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:54,960 And they're. I do think there be some 265 00:15:54,970 --> 00:15:59,220 expectation or longing for. Yeah, absolutely. 266 00:15:59,270 --> 00:16:03,440 The whole zealot movement born out of things are not the way 267 00:16:03,450 --> 00:16:06,360 they're supposed to be. We need to change them. 268 00:16:06,410 --> 00:16:09,600 The only way to change them is by military force. 269 00:16:09,750 --> 00:16:14,600 So way you go, right? And what's, what's kind of wild 270 00:16:14,610 --> 00:16:18,580 and without, you know, getting too far into it, like when Jesus 271 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:23,700 starts teaching like these, these teachings are are very 272 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:29,070 charged, you know, even like love, love for enemies just 273 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:34,420 being one. Yeah, you know, like that the, 274 00:16:34,430 --> 00:16:38,760 the the things that he then brings are probably not what 275 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:43,740 they anticipated or expected, but critical, critical teachings 276 00:16:43,750 --> 00:16:46,520 for followers of Jesus. There's no way to know this but 277 00:16:46,530 --> 00:16:50,700 like I I do think post sermon there would be a lot more people 278 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:52,420 disappointed than like pre sermon. 279 00:16:52,430 --> 00:16:54,580 They're all riled up. They're yeah, you can imagine. 280 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:59,850 And then after they're like, are we sure Yeah, because that 281 00:16:59,860 --> 00:17:04,150 sounds a lot harder than I was anticipating in not the right 282 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:05,109 ways. Right. 283 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,950 Like it it it does like it cuts to the core of our expectation 284 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,390 and even some of the language and math you like you have heard 285 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:13,970 it said. But I say to you what Jesus is 286 00:17:13,980 --> 00:17:20,930 ramping this stuff up not in a legalistic make it or break it, 287 00:17:20,940 --> 00:17:23,609 do it or die kind of way, but in. 288 00:17:23,619 --> 00:17:27,589 A reframing a Yeah, an expansion. 289 00:17:27,780 --> 00:17:30,340 Yeah. Well, and again, going with 290 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:32,780 this, this idea of, you know, like Moses coming down from the 291 00:17:32,790 --> 00:17:36,520 mountain with the 10 commandments, the 10 292 00:17:36,530 --> 00:17:39,600 commandments are, are, are good principles to live by. 293 00:17:39,610 --> 00:17:41,570 Like, you know, generally, you know, there's a reason why 294 00:17:41,580 --> 00:17:44,260 they've stood the test of time as as good, you know, like 295 00:17:44,270 --> 00:17:46,690 don't, yeah, don't lie, don't steal, don't murder, you know, 296 00:17:46,700 --> 00:17:48,570 don't like honor your parents, right. 297 00:17:48,660 --> 00:17:51,030 And and like, but in some ways they're hard to do. 298 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,320 Some of them. Hopefully it's not too difficult 299 00:17:53,330 --> 00:17:56,110 to not murder. But like, you know, there are 300 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:57,530 there. They're not. 301 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,200 You can read them. Be like, yeah, I could. 302 00:18:00,210 --> 00:18:02,180 I could do that. I could I could abide by those, 303 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:05,920 you know, generally speaking, but then Jesus like his 304 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:07,920 teachings. There's so much harder which 305 00:18:07,930 --> 00:18:09,740 we're we're gonna unpack more in the weeks ahead. 306 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:14,240 But so we don't wanna, you know, jump too far ahead, but there is 307 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:20,100 there is some interesting, you know, parallels and then not 308 00:18:20,110 --> 00:18:22,460 parallels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 309 00:18:22,530 --> 00:18:24,490 No, absolutely. And like we're gonna read, We're 310 00:18:24,500 --> 00:18:28,600 gonna read lines like that says love your enemies, do good to 311 00:18:28,610 --> 00:18:32,620 them, lend to them without expecting to be repaid. 312 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:37,180 Like we just like there's so much of what we would sort of 313 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:40,220 consider to be like quote. And if you're listening to this, 314 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:43,120 I'm doing air quotes like modern sensibilities be like, well, 315 00:18:43,130 --> 00:18:45,200 surely that doesn't apply anymore. 316 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:48,900 And I go, well, yeah, you know, like, OK, well, you gotta take 317 00:18:48,910 --> 00:18:54,090 some of this stuff seriously. Yeah, You know, so yeah, it's, 318 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:58,330 it's gonna get difficult in in some very real personal and 319 00:18:58,340 --> 00:19:01,110 corporate ways as individuals and as the church. 320 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:06,060 But I think in some, yeah, it's just beautiful ways that have 321 00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:08,410 great potential to lead toward life, so. 322 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:09,670 I'm excited. I am. 323 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,110 Too. It's going to be fun, especially 324 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,090 because some of the most intense teachings are on the weeks when 325 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:19,850 we get to discuss it with like 100 other people in the room. 326 00:19:19,860 --> 00:19:23,120 And that'll be cool. That's great. 327 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:29,000 OK, so switching gears a little bit, we talked a little bit 328 00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:32,020 about disciple and apostle. Hmm. 329 00:19:32,060 --> 00:19:37,230 So a disciple is a follower of Jesus, is someone who is, you 330 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,000 know, like there were, you know, a rabbi would have many 331 00:19:40,010 --> 00:19:44,790 disciples who were who were adherence to their way of life 332 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,670 and teaching. Yes, yeah. 333 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:53,900 And and so an apostle is a word that means like messenger sent 334 00:19:53,910 --> 00:20:00,580 one and and Jesus distinguishes between the disciples and the 335 00:20:00,590 --> 00:20:04,720 apostles here, the disciple, a larger group of people, apostles 336 00:20:04,790 --> 00:20:09,900 in this case, 12 and he and then they we named them and you know, 337 00:20:09,970 --> 00:20:14,440 yeah, you got. All the all the different, all 338 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:17,190 the different guys, some of them who they get a little bit of, 339 00:20:17,620 --> 00:20:21,060 they get a little bit of a, you know, a story alongside them. 340 00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:25,380 You know, like Simon, who was called the zealot Judas, not 341 00:20:25,390 --> 00:20:30,640 that Judas and then Judas, yes, that Judas, you know, but it's 342 00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:33,480 worth, I think, talking about that word apostle. 343 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:42,060 It's a word that in some Christian circles is reserved 344 00:20:42,370 --> 00:20:47,340 for only the biblical Canon. There, there are some that would 345 00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:53,720 say once, once the church was established, they would say 346 00:20:53,770 --> 00:20:56,580 they're they're those were the apostles. 347 00:20:57,110 --> 00:21:01,150 You're not an apostle. I'm not an apostle that's done 348 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:05,670 that the Apostolic era is over. And then on the other hand, 349 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,450 there is a, another group. I don't mind naming it because I 350 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:12,640 think it's, it's just worthwhile saying it's, it's so there's 351 00:21:12,650 --> 00:21:17,300 the, the new Apostolic reformation and I don't want to 352 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:19,770 make it ultimately about them, but I, I think it's, it's worth 353 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:22,430 as, as a, as a launching pad to talk a little bit. 354 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,840 What, what actually is an apostle? 355 00:21:24,850 --> 00:21:28,090 What isn't an apostle? How do we think about apostles 356 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,910 today? And yeah, how, how does our 357 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,170 understanding contrast with some of the understandings that are 358 00:21:35,180 --> 00:21:37,830 out there today? That's a broad question. 359 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,450 I think we can narrow a little bit. 360 00:21:40,260 --> 00:21:44,030 Maybe maybe I should narrow it down by saying or by asking, 361 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:53,270 when you look at say the very conservative use of or or lack 362 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,070 thereof of the term apostle, how do we, how do we see that? 363 00:21:57,700 --> 00:22:03,110 And then how do we see maybe a perhaps overly, overly overly 364 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:05,330 liberal use of that term? I don't know. 365 00:22:05,370 --> 00:22:07,330 Yeah. No, I think this is helpful 366 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:10,230 because I like I even in prepping for this sermon, we 367 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,970 talked a little bit on Thursday about that reality. 368 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:18,250 Just, you know, folks in our, even in our congregation very 369 00:22:18,260 --> 00:22:21,660 likely having different views and understandings and history 370 00:22:21,670 --> 00:22:26,120 with this type of word, right? I think there's a difference, 371 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:31,260 though, between what the church would historically say or call 372 00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:36,490 an office. So the office of apostle, the 373 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:39,870 office of prophet, priest, changer. 374 00:22:39,940 --> 00:22:44,470 Yeah, yeah. So there's a difference between 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:53,240 the office and then maybe what we would call gifts that are in 376 00:22:53,250 --> 00:22:58,860 line with those like, you know, and what I would say, you know, 377 00:22:58,870 --> 00:23:02,590 I wouldn't call any anybody that I know in my life. 378 00:23:03,260 --> 00:23:07,290 I wouldn't name them capital P profit, right. 379 00:23:07,340 --> 00:23:09,450 But I would say that there are some people in my life who are 380 00:23:09,460 --> 00:23:12,200 prophetic. Yeah, but that's their like one 381 00:23:12,210 --> 00:23:17,430 of their gifts is to be able to speak prophetically into peoples 382 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,850 lives. Now usually those are the people 383 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:24,030 who actually try to avoid naming themselves profit. 384 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,990 Like, you know, typically the ones who come the boldest and 385 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,530 quickest with a prophetic word are the ones who don't actually 386 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:35,370 have gifting in that area or who want to take on the mantle of 387 00:23:35,380 --> 00:23:38,230 profit. It's the people who have a fear 388 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:42,730 and trembling that like, Oh my gosh, I, I, I think I have 389 00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:45,170 something. I think, I think God has said 390 00:23:45,180 --> 00:23:48,650 something to me or has, you know, that there is a 391 00:23:48,660 --> 00:23:50,860 weightiness to it. And if we don't have the 392 00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:53,510 weightiness to it, I've got I've got concerns. 393 00:23:53,550 --> 00:23:56,130 Absolutely, yeah. So you know, I had, I had 394 00:23:56,140 --> 00:24:00,270 somebody like early on in, early on in ministry, like just in 395 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:04,260 leadership in general. But early on when I was in in 396 00:24:04,270 --> 00:24:07,980 ministry, somebody said, you know, just when you when you 397 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:11,460 enter into a new situation, context, organization, church, 398 00:24:11,470 --> 00:24:19,480 whatever it is, go slowly and take extra precaution with, you 399 00:24:19,490 --> 00:24:24,300 know, people who try to win over too much influence from you too 400 00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:25,670 fast. Hmm. 401 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,890 And, you know, I have had interesting conversations over 402 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:35,410 the years with individuals. You know, I could look back and 403 00:24:35,420 --> 00:24:39,470 say, Oh yeah, OK, alright. Yeah, like very first person 404 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:45,870 trying to gain too much info, like too much influence or too 405 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:50,170 much of an air, just too much. Yeah, authority, be it whatever 406 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:53,100 it is. So I like, I think there's a 407 00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:59,600 slowed down way in which to approach the gifts that are 408 00:24:59,610 --> 00:25:03,050 named in Scripture, right? So don't rush to name it for 409 00:25:03,060 --> 00:25:04,890 yourself. I think that's a great place to 410 00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:14,770 start #1 So office, I think the let me try a as quick an answer 411 00:25:14,780 --> 00:25:22,100 as possible here. I think there are again offices 412 00:25:22,150 --> 00:25:27,040 that we would consider are accomplished in and through the 413 00:25:27,050 --> 00:25:33,230 person of Jesus ultimately. And so I I brought because I 414 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,330 knew we had a we had heads up. I had a heads up on this 415 00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:37,310 question. I. 416 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,190 Was wondering why that was. So in our denomination, we're 417 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,950 Reformed. So we're Presbyterian, which is 418 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,470 part of the Reformed tradition. And we have in in our tradition 419 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,360 what are called subordinate standards and their subordinate 420 00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:55,090 standards because they are lesser than their subordinate to 421 00:25:55,180 --> 00:25:59,750 the Bible. So they're not inspired by God. 422 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:06,010 They're not on the same level, but they are agreed to be the 423 00:26:06,020 --> 00:26:12,230 confessions creeds theologies corporately worked out that 424 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,990 capture a shared faith. And one of the things in the one 425 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,930 of the questions in the the Westminster Confession of Faith, 426 00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:25,000 which is one of our subordinate standards as Presbyterian Church 427 00:26:25,010 --> 00:26:33,540 in Canada is, um, question 42, which I'm going to try to not 428 00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:37,340 say all the ifs and F and doth like it, it, it is. 429 00:26:37,410 --> 00:26:40,260 It when was this written? Not for not not. 430 00:26:40,270 --> 00:26:44,590 It's been a minute. So the question 42 is why was 431 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,790 our mediator? So why was Jesus called Christ? 432 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,470 And the answer is, our mediator was called Christ, because he 433 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,670 was anointed with the Holy Spirit above measure, and so set 434 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:03,670 apart and fully furnished with all authority and ability to 435 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:09,190 execute the offices of prophet, priest, and king of his Church 436 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,720 in the estate, both of his humiliation and exaltation. 437 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:20,510 So in who he was as human and who he is as divine as God, in 438 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,910 his death, in his life, in his resurrection life, in and 439 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,970 through all that, that that Jesus has full authority and 440 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:31,950 full ability to execute offices of prophet, priest and king. 441 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,590 So Jesus is the ultimate once and for all prophet, priest and 442 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,490 king. So prophet, he speaks on behalf 443 00:27:38,500 --> 00:27:44,080 of God. He is the full word, so to use 444 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:46,360 language that become for Christians a word of God. 445 00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:52,180 But revelation of God, He's the fullest revelation of who God is 446 00:27:52,250 --> 00:27:54,280 toward humanity. We understand in the person of 447 00:27:54,290 --> 00:27:57,260 Jesus. So he is to the fullest extent 448 00:27:57,270 --> 00:28:02,390 prophet speaking on behalf of God as God, he is priest. 449 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,610 He is the high priest, the one who with his own death and 450 00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:10,130 resurrection paid for. And we don't have to get into 451 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,430 today another episode theories of atonement, but you know, 452 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:22,340 fulfills the role of high priest in his death and so does away 453 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:28,700 with sacrifice. And then he is king rules over 454 00:28:28,750 --> 00:28:34,440 his church and the world also in here as mediator as one who who 455 00:28:34,450 --> 00:28:40,700 constantly intervenes and works on our behalf toward God right. 456 00:28:40,790 --> 00:28:43,990 And then it goes in and I'm not going to read all of it, but how 457 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,580 does Christ execute the office of profit of priest of king? 458 00:28:46,590 --> 00:28:54,970 So the the the confession would say that Jesus is prophet, 459 00:28:54,980 --> 00:28:59,750 priest and king. And I think the church, we would 460 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:07,960 probably agree that there are still giftings in those areas as 461 00:29:07,970 --> 00:29:10,680 well that are useful to the church today. 462 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:13,620 Yeah, that are that continue to be displayed in people. 463 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:17,950 But we know, or at least we need to know and understand that that 464 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,230 Jesus is ultimately prophet, priest, and king. 465 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,910 He defines what that is and and how that rolls out in his 466 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,250 Kingdom. And our giftedness is 467 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:31,510 subordinate in that sense to Jesus's role in those in those 468 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,050 places. So we don't step into those 469 00:29:33,060 --> 00:29:40,400 offices like Jesus does and it is not the same because Jesus is 470 00:29:40,410 --> 00:29:43,290 who Jesus is and these apostles are are human. 471 00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:48,430 But in some way, I think I have a similar understanding of 472 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:55,450 apostle that these 12 because we're dealing with Luke 6 and 473 00:29:55,460 --> 00:30:00,800 not so after Judas, after Judith dies, they replaced Judas so 474 00:30:00,810 --> 00:30:04,910 that there continues to be 12, which just adds weight to the to 475 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,080 the number. So refer often to Paul as an 476 00:30:09,090 --> 00:30:10,130 apostle. Right. 477 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,530 So I think that which which at least initially got himself in 478 00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:18,870 trouble doing it right, like it was, it was even debated within 479 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,310 the early church, the Jerusalem church and you know, drag Paul 480 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,700 in front of them and they're trying to figure out who is this 481 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:26,560 guy and is he actually an apostle? 482 00:30:27,290 --> 00:30:30,780 Because this this office of apostle does seem to be linked 483 00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:36,920 to these specific individuals who were literal eyewitnesses to 484 00:30:36,930 --> 00:30:40,550 the accounts to the life of Jesus is teaching. 485 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,190 And then who Jesus anoints to bear his same message into the 486 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:51,190 world with his authority and to carry on the found really the 487 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:57,630 foundation of the church. So I don't think that anybody 488 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,650 steps into that same office of apostle in the same way that 489 00:31:02,660 --> 00:31:09,900 these did or that Paul did, because that serve that office 490 00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:14,280 served a role in a very specific moment of the church's life. 491 00:31:15,270 --> 00:31:24,460 Now equally though, I don't think that the gifting of like 492 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:31,570 Apostolic giftedness or gifting that is toward apostle ship 493 00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:36,080 being a messenger, if you're just kind of carve away all of 494 00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:39,850 what we can create something into and just use the language, 495 00:31:39,860 --> 00:31:41,700 which is what I try to do on Sunday. 496 00:31:42,910 --> 00:31:47,750 I think there is something for every Christian to take away 497 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,770 from the language of being and becoming a messenger. 498 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,430 One who bears the life of the Kingdom in our bodies with us as 499 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,590 we go. One who has authority to speak 500 00:31:59,660 --> 00:32:02,490 and to act and to do the things of the Kingdom. 501 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,830 And you even see that in so I would just pull up Romans 16 502 00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:09,890 where Paul is referring. He's doing all these big 503 00:32:09,900 --> 00:32:13,620 greetings and, and he refers to to Phoebe, who I believe we 504 00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:17,230 understand as the, the, the messenger of the letter that she 505 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,050 came and would read the letter and, and in some ways interpret 506 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:24,190 the letter. And, and so in some ways she is, 507 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,310 is doing an Apostolic role there. 508 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,470 And then and later on it refers to Junior, who is someone who is 509 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,940 named as an outstanding among the apostles, right. 510 00:32:35,950 --> 00:32:39,590 So, so there there is. There's something kind of cool 511 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,230 about. I just wanted to name two women, 512 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,450 especially because I don't think, you know, some people 513 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:46,730 will say, well, it's just there were 12 men and that that was, 514 00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:48,870 it was like, actually, no, there, there were some Apostolic 515 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,590 figures who were women, right? Right, so we need 12 elders to 516 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,140 continue to rule the church and they can only be men. 517 00:32:55,150 --> 00:32:57,010 And away we go. Which is a completely different 518 00:32:57,020 --> 00:32:59,170 topic for another. Day for sure, but I just 519 00:32:59,180 --> 00:33:02,690 thought, you know, like it's the yeah, the the office of like the 520 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:08,410 Apostolic nature of of God's people should not ever end 521 00:33:08,820 --> 00:33:11,010 right. You know, and then in in 522 00:33:11,070 --> 00:33:15,370 Ephesians 4, Paul like kind of lists what we call like apest 523 00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:19,990 the apostle, the the profits. That's what I pulled up. 524 00:33:20,350 --> 00:33:22,530 Yeah, go ahead. Now these are the gifts Christ 525 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:26,750 gave to the church, yes, right. So that would seem to indicate 526 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,150 some level of those giftings still continue, right? 527 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,410 The apostles, prophets, evangelists, the pastors and the 528 00:33:33,420 --> 00:33:36,590 teachers there. And this is what people think. 529 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,630 This is what people need to hear as well. 530 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,230 Their responsibility is to equip God's people to do his work and 531 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,770 build up the church, the body of Christ. 532 00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:49,950 This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith 533 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,670 and knowledge of God's Son that we will be mature in the Lord, 534 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,330 measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ. 535 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,390 Yeah. So there's like there's a 536 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,970 continuation there that I don't think we've attained. 537 00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:09,050 Definitely right. And but I also think like 538 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:11,929 listen, like there's there's, like you said, use your word, 539 00:34:11,940 --> 00:34:14,790 which is a great word. There's weightiness to it. 540 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,900 Their responsibility is to equip God's people to do his work. 541 00:34:19,969 --> 00:34:24,320 And that's where I think we, this is where I land harder on, 542 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:30,780 uh, yeah. You know, embracing the call of 543 00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:36,000 the apostles to be witnesses, to be messengers to, to carry it in 544 00:34:36,010 --> 00:34:38,860 our bodies, to live it out day-to-day. 545 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:44,530 Because I think we can guess, guess Christians. 546 00:34:44,540 --> 00:34:51,190 We can often get caught up in the benefits of Christ without 547 00:34:51,460 --> 00:34:55,989 bearing the full weight of responsibility of Christ, which 548 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,790 like New Begin works out. So I brought another book 549 00:35:00,210 --> 00:35:01,980 because. I thought they were decoration. 550 00:35:02,030 --> 00:35:04,460 Yeah, no, they're not just. They're not just props. 551 00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:10,210 New begins. Got this and I'm gonna have to 552 00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:11,150 find it. Yeah. 553 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:13,670 So. OK, so he's got this great way 554 00:35:13,740 --> 00:35:20,400 of talking and writing. So he says, uh, to see. 555 00:35:20,410 --> 00:35:27,490 So what he would call Christians are chosen bearers of like the 556 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:30,190 promised blessing. Hmm. 557 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:38,280 And so he says bearers, not exclusive beneficiaries, right. 558 00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:42,120 So we there's a responsibility to go and do the things of the 559 00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:45,320 Kingdom, not just to benefit from the things of the Kingdom. 560 00:35:45,370 --> 00:35:49,070 And we like we can. I mean, I just think, and maybe 561 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,100 this is like, maybe me, like I was just like, can I just soak 562 00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:56,600 up the benefits for a minute? Like, right there is there is 563 00:35:56,610 --> 00:35:58,260 benefit to living inside the Kingdom. 564 00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:00,720 Like, let's not say there isn't there is. 565 00:36:00,730 --> 00:36:03,580 There ought to be like it is a new way of living that is life 566 00:36:03,590 --> 00:36:07,770 giving to toward flourishing might not look exactly like what 567 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,180 want or expect, but there's a benefit to knowing Jesus. 568 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:13,940 We can kind of sit in it though and be like, oh great, I made 569 00:36:13,950 --> 00:36:14,880 it. I'm here. 570 00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:18,090 I'm gonna enjoy these benefits. And that's where he says no, you 571 00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:21,970 bear the Kingdom. You don't benefit from the 572 00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:24,080 Kingdom. What you do, you do benefit. 573 00:36:24,140 --> 00:36:26,580 You also bear it. Toward other application with 574 00:36:26,590 --> 00:36:28,850 that word bear is that it? It is. 575 00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:31,400 It's a burden in some way. It's like that. 576 00:36:31,410 --> 00:36:36,770 There is a like, yeah, there, there there should be a, a 577 00:36:36,780 --> 00:36:43,010 burden to someone who who is, who has received a word from the 578 00:36:43,020 --> 00:36:47,230 Lord. Same with same with someone with 579 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,850 Apostolic gifting. That there should be a a 580 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:53,870 weightiness and a burden that is theirs to bear. 581 00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:56,230 There's a weightiness and you and I know this there and we've 582 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:57,510 talked about it. There's a weightiness to 583 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,550 preaching. Yes, right there. 584 00:36:59,790 --> 00:37:03,820 And that's not that's not to say that we don't enjoy it. 585 00:37:03,830 --> 00:37:06,970 Like, I love what I get to do and I absolutely love preaching, 586 00:37:08,090 --> 00:37:13,820 but there is a weight to it that's hard to describe in the 587 00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:15,680 same way. And it's not, it's not the same 588 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:18,320 like, in the same way that I like, I don't know, the weight 589 00:37:18,370 --> 00:37:23,960 of, let's say, like a paramedic who walks into a situation be 590 00:37:23,970 --> 00:37:25,900 like, am I going to have to say, am I going to literally, am I 591 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:27,980 going to have to save somebody's life today? 592 00:37:28,050 --> 00:37:30,840 Yeah, like a firefighter, right. Am I gonna have to pull somebody 593 00:37:30,850 --> 00:37:32,360 out of a burning? But there is a way to do that 594 00:37:32,370 --> 00:37:35,900 that I have no idea of. There's a witness to these 595 00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:38,090 things. So Newbigin continues, and this 596 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:41,910 is the open secret, which is his introduction to theology of 597 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,190 mission. And Nubian, I think, is 598 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,280 brilliant in helping the church understand healthy mission. 599 00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:54,960 Like in our own backyard, yeah. And he lived it out. 600 00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:55,760 He. Absolutely. 601 00:37:55,770 --> 00:37:58,680 So that he wasn't just a thinker, he was a he was a doer. 602 00:37:58,690 --> 00:38:03,130 And then wrote about. It missionary in India, part of 603 00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:08,560 the monumental movement like Church of India that really 604 00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:11,580 almost made, I don't know, maybe single handedly redefined what 605 00:38:11,590 --> 00:38:14,660 it meant to be ecumenical in some really cool ways. 606 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:20,440 So he writes there and he's talking here about Israel being 607 00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:25,130 elected and they're being a burden to that and his where 608 00:38:25,140 --> 00:38:28,160 he's going to go. So the the the church Christians 609 00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:33,320 being elected requires the like, there's a burden there, right? 610 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:37,200 So he says there lay the constant temptation again and 611 00:38:37,210 --> 00:38:39,700 again. It had to be said that election 612 00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:42,780 is for responsibility, not privilege. 613 00:38:43,590 --> 00:38:45,170 Hmm. Again and again. 614 00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:48,030 And and so like I said, you talk about, he says unfaithful Israel 615 00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:51,330 had to be threatened with punishment because it was the 616 00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:54,610 elect of God. And then he quotes from Amos, 617 00:38:54,860 --> 00:38:58,510 you only have I known of all the families of the earth. 618 00:38:58,580 --> 00:39:01,980 Therefore, I will punish you for all your iniquities. 619 00:39:03,730 --> 00:39:06,460 So he says the meaning of Israel's election and of its 620 00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:11,390 misunderstanding of it is depicted with the supreme 621 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,020 dramatic power in the story of Jonah. 622 00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:18,120 And then he goes on to talk about how Jonah called the go to 623 00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:19,900 Ninevah. He's like, absolutely not. 624 00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:22,180 I'm going to go in the exact. And it's almost like it is. 625 00:39:22,190 --> 00:39:25,480 It's poetic comedy, like I'm going to go in the exact 626 00:39:25,490 --> 00:39:29,260 opposite direction and I'm going to flee as far as I possibly can 627 00:39:29,470 --> 00:39:36,350 to a ridiculous degree. And, and yeah, so he ends up on 628 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,820 this ship and there's a massive storm. 629 00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:47,740 He's hiding in the in the boat and the Pagan sailors are 630 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:52,800 praying to God for deliverance. Even in his rebellion. 631 00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:57,620 He's he's he's, he's fulfilling his calling to be a witness to 632 00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:59,580 who God like, to who the true God is. 633 00:39:59,750 --> 00:40:04,800 And, and you know his anyways, the story unfolds. 634 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,830 The the city repents and then he gets mad about it exactly like 635 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,270 and, and there's but there is something about there that that 636 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,880 is, you know, it is, it is revealing of, of what has 637 00:40:17,890 --> 00:40:22,660 happened in, you know, Israel's heart in that, you know, their 638 00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:26,340 original call, their original call as a as a chosen people 639 00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:28,660 were to be a blessing to the nations. 640 00:40:29,230 --> 00:40:34,180 And so like my, my, one of my deepest hearts for our church 641 00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:36,400 community, for all church communities really, but you 642 00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:41,920 know, for us pastors here, like in our city, is that we would 643 00:40:41,930 --> 00:40:47,780 fully embrace that same weighty election toward responsibility, 644 00:40:47,870 --> 00:40:52,580 toward hard work for the sake of the other. 645 00:40:53,090 --> 00:40:57,360 Because, you know, as cliche as it is, like good people die 646 00:40:57,370 --> 00:41:02,090 every day without knowing Jesus, and also good people die every 647 00:41:02,100 --> 00:41:07,550 day hungry, and good people die every day on the streets 648 00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:11,590 houseless. And people are wrestling with 649 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:16,310 brokenness inside their homes. And we carry the weight of the 650 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,220 Kingdom in a way that is meant to push against those dark 651 00:41:21,230 --> 00:41:23,580 places. So that's one of the things I 652 00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:25,720 love, and I hope this came across like I do love this about 653 00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:28,860 our church. I think that there's beauty in 654 00:41:29,310 --> 00:41:32,160 sharing communion together, and I think there's beauty in 655 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:35,310 digging in the dirt on Saturday together like, you know, a bunch 656 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,330 of people were doing. We did, yeah, both those things 657 00:41:37,340 --> 00:41:39,180 this past weekend, which is which is kind of great. 658 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:40,780 Right. But I think that in some ways 659 00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:44,580 captures what we're, what we ought to be about. 660 00:41:45,740 --> 00:41:49,760 So when we just returning back to that word apostle because 661 00:41:49,770 --> 00:41:54,700 we've been talking around a little bit, but yeah, how do we 662 00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:58,720 think about there there are some there are some streams that 663 00:41:58,730 --> 00:42:02,520 would use that word as a as a title in the same way that, you 664 00:42:02,530 --> 00:42:05,030 know, people might call you Pastor Grant or myself, Pastor 665 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,020 Justin, they would say I am Apostle Grant or Apostle Justin. 666 00:42:10,890 --> 00:42:14,100 I'll never do that. Is that a clear enough answer? 667 00:42:14,170 --> 00:42:18,140 Yeah, it's very clear. But, you know, more broadly is 668 00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:25,590 that, you know, maybe just to be contrarian, if if you can, if 669 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,970 you can go read Ephesians 4 and see that there's an offer Office 670 00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:33,280 of pastor. Yeah, could there not be a, a 671 00:42:33,290 --> 00:42:36,520 category for, for saying some, you know, someone is more 672 00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:38,770 pastoral, someone is more of a teacher, someone's more 673 00:42:38,780 --> 00:42:40,540 Apostolic, someone's more of a profit. 674 00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:43,220 So therefore, we're going to call them by their, by their, 675 00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:45,860 their, their title. Primary gift. 676 00:42:45,870 --> 00:42:49,520 Yeah, right. So here's my here's my $0.02 677 00:42:49,590 --> 00:42:57,430 worth of, I don't know, 1 cent. My, my sense of it is I, I, 678 00:42:57,500 --> 00:43:02,230 there is something in me that that pushes against it. 679 00:43:03,780 --> 00:43:07,400 But equally, like, you know, I've, I've had good friends and 680 00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:13,320 shared leading services over the years with Catholic priests who 681 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:16,640 love Jesus and who are doing incredible things. 682 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,120 And yeah, had was able to share in leading services together 683 00:43:25,500 --> 00:43:27,810 while I was working as a chaplain in a psychiatric 684 00:43:27,820 --> 00:43:30,790 hospital with a Catholic priest there. 685 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:35,070 You know who like I'm, I'm not saying, well, Jesus is the only 686 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,100 priest, you can't be priest. Hmm. 687 00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:41,330 And equally I would say, well, like Peter talks about the 688 00:43:41,340 --> 00:43:45,550 priesthood of all believers. So there's still that language 689 00:43:45,610 --> 00:43:47,770 exists. And yet I would firmly say no, 690 00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:53,030 Jesus is the fulfillment of that office of of priest. 691 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,070 Yeah. So, you know, I think there's 692 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:01,710 there's room there. My for me, the main, the main 693 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:05,540 thing is recognizing also, and it is maybe important to name 694 00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:11,980 that. I think we see, we see this in 695 00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:17,120 churches and cultures that I don't come from, you know, say 696 00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:22,650 that for me, right, more predominantly in other countries 697 00:44:22,660 --> 00:44:26,700 than Canada and in different cultures that I don't walk in 698 00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:29,550 and, and understand. So I want to be careful with 699 00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,720 that as well. And that's a good word, just 700 00:44:31,730 --> 00:44:37,420 naming that. Yeah, I think though, if 701 00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:44,700 somebody, if somebody is ordained a pastor by a body of 702 00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:47,930 Christians, then that's something I'm gonna carry with 703 00:44:47,940 --> 00:44:51,190 weight and I'm gonna respect with weight and sit with it. 704 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,530 Doesn't mean we're gonna agree on everything. 705 00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:53,990 Absolutely not. Doesn't mean that we're not 706 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,770 gonna like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna just receive 707 00:44:57,780 --> 00:45:00,930 absolutely everything you have to say necessarily. 708 00:45:02,220 --> 00:45:06,550 But if, if a if a group of Christians have together 709 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,490 discerned in prayer and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit to 710 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:15,450 lay like a a title or a mantle on somebody to call somebody to 711 00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:19,930 use like our language to call somebody into that office that 712 00:45:19,940 --> 00:45:23,340 role, then I think that's something we just have to carry 713 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,470 with with care and concern like just move carefully in it. 714 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:39,540 If it's something that a title that somebody takes on in and of 715 00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:42,620 themselves, I'd be willing to say that. 716 00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:45,340 I think that is just a problematic way to start. 717 00:45:45,450 --> 00:45:46,320 Yes. OK. 718 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:51,000 So I think there's nuance there. Like I didn't ordain myself 719 00:45:51,070 --> 00:45:55,360 pastor and I didn't call myself pastor until I was ordained. 720 00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,890 And actually for me, like I don't, I don't go by reverend 721 00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:03,810 because I actually think there's more weight to pastor. 722 00:46:04,650 --> 00:46:07,020 Yes, I I feel it, at least for myself. 723 00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:13,690 Yeah, Reverend is a cultural meal much more like, much, much 724 00:46:13,700 --> 00:46:17,310 more recent term within the Church and has much more to do 725 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:25,090 with power and authority than it does or ought to service and 726 00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:30,400 weightiness to ministry. So that's why for me, But I I 727 00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:33,880 try to as much as possible, I I go by Pastor Grant. 728 00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:36,860 I think that makes more sense to people who don't have a sweet 729 00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:38,760 clue, like walk into a church for the first time. 730 00:46:38,770 --> 00:46:42,420 You're like, OK, like I what's going to make the most sense? 731 00:46:43,410 --> 00:46:46,420 But actually personally I feel more weight to. 732 00:46:46,430 --> 00:46:51,180 That I only ever use Reverend if I'm writing like official 733 00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:54,500 communique, like as a reference letter for like the government 734 00:46:55,310 --> 00:46:58,540 because it's it's a title that they understand. 735 00:46:58,610 --> 00:47:02,240 Right. And so versus pastor, which is 736 00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:07,380 can be more nebulous, yeah, but. Yeah, agreed, 100% agree. 737 00:47:07,390 --> 00:47:09,670 And I do the same thing just like, you know, wear clerical 738 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,120 collar when I walk into sick kids. 739 00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:14,190 Yeah, because it is helpful, right. 740 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,520 Like I'm here to serve and with some urgency. 741 00:47:17,530 --> 00:47:20,860 So can we help one another? Fine. 742 00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:23,320 We're trying to go, but I think it's worth, I think it's worth 743 00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:28,300 saying like you and I were both were both ordained by groups of 744 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:31,680 Christians, by congregations, by denominations. 745 00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:38,050 Like that is an important part of how we got to where we are is 746 00:47:38,060 --> 00:47:41,750 that there were other people calling that out of us and 747 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,110 naming it and affirming it and then ultimately ordaining, yes. 748 00:47:46,330 --> 00:47:51,430 And that I think continues to be a really important measure for 749 00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:59,260 individuals of, of what I think is or can be. 750 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,030 So not we're not always right, not always like we don't know, 751 00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:08,230 you know, but what is a healthy approach to these offices and 752 00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:12,820 titles? And so to sort of cap, cap this 753 00:48:12,830 --> 00:48:17,100 discussion, you know, when we look at some of these different 754 00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:20,560 roles that Christians may or may, you know, may have 755 00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:23,780 strengthened, may have lesser strengthen. 756 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,130 I think it's, I think it's fair to say, and this is I attribute 757 00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:34,270 a little to this to some of the like church futurist thinkers, 758 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,090 guys like Alan Hirsch, who have done a lot of thinking about 759 00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:39,450 this. Where, where they would, they 760 00:48:39,460 --> 00:48:44,310 would say the Apostolic gifts that they describe in Ephesians 761 00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:51,310 4, that is Jesus similar to prophet, priest, king Jesus is 762 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,270 the perfect embodiment of all of those. 763 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:00,210 And that as we become more Christ like, we should grow in 764 00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:03,750 all those That as we are even just to go through them, as we 765 00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:10,030 are growing in Christ likeness, we will feel a greater urge 766 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:13,490 toward being messengers of God's Kingdom. 767 00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:21,970 That as we are growing in Christ that we will be more attuned to 768 00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:26,670 who God is and what God might be saying in a circumstance. 769 00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:34,080 As we grow in Christ, we will become more willing to share of 770 00:49:34,090 --> 00:49:38,050 our faith with those around us. Evangelist, as we grow in our 771 00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:39,840 faith, we will shepherd people better. 772 00:49:39,850 --> 00:49:43,400 We will be better lovers of people that we will care better 773 00:49:43,410 --> 00:49:49,830 for people as we, we will also become better pastors, teachers, 774 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,800 all these things, right? That we could all grow in these. 775 00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:57,120 And yet I would still probably reserve a little bit of, you 776 00:49:57,130 --> 00:50:00,220 know, thought that our, you know, some of our bent, some of 777 00:50:00,230 --> 00:50:03,460 our, our, you know, some of our just perhaps even God-given 778 00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:06,770 bents are going to be that we're going to be better at some of 779 00:50:06,780 --> 00:50:08,510 those, you know, in this lifetime. 780 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,840 You know, like I can think of people I know that they wouldn't 781 00:50:11,850 --> 00:50:14,700 call themselves apostle, but that they would, I would look at 782 00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:18,600 that and I would look at them and say they have just like an 783 00:50:18,610 --> 00:50:21,320 Apostolic spirit about them where they're just willing to go 784 00:50:21,330 --> 00:50:24,320 where God calls them to go. They'll just get up and leave. 785 00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:27,520 And I'm like, that's amazing. We need people like that in the 786 00:50:27,530 --> 00:50:28,730 church. Yep. 787 00:50:28,910 --> 00:50:33,010 Yeah. So I think the just to to double 788 00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:36,660 down on what you've said, the main thing that we want people 789 00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:39,690 doing is striving to be more like Jesus. 790 00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:42,890 Yes. And in our attempts to be more 791 00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:47,820 like Jesus, gifts are going to be given, right? 792 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,720 Anointing will happen. The Holy Spirit's gonna empower 793 00:50:52,730 --> 00:50:56,600 you to do some pretty cool things, maybe some scary things, 794 00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:59,420 maybe some things that you never would have found yourself doing. 795 00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:03,160 But it's not because you're striving for a position is 796 00:51:03,170 --> 00:51:05,640 because you are trying to be more like Jesus. 797 00:51:06,050 --> 00:51:09,140 Make that, make that the goal, yeah. 798 00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:10,560 Absolutely. That's good. 799 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:14,610 That feels like a pretty good place to close out. 800 00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:15,450 It's. A wrap up. 801 00:51:15,460 --> 00:51:18,180 Yeah, one of the lingering questions that I have that I 802 00:51:18,190 --> 00:51:23,260 think we might tackle just to give a little bit of a taste of 803 00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:25,770 over the next 4 weeks while we're doing the community Bible 804 00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:28,110 study. One of the questions that I have 805 00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:33,150 lingering from this kind of opening is, is this the same 806 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:37,870 sermon as the Sermon on the Mount, like Luke's version of 807 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,030 the Sermon on the Mount? We're gonna solve it. 808 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,390 Yeah, exactly. We're gonna crack. 809 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:47,140 It or is it different a different time, 2 sermons spoke 810 00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:49,590 in different places, same place, all of it. 811 00:51:49,660 --> 00:51:53,550 Some of those technical pieces that you never answer in a 812 00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,050 sermon because you're like, this is not. 813 00:51:55,060 --> 00:51:57,830 The time or place matter, but it nags at you a little. 814 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,610 Bit but it just goes like, Oh yeah, where are the places? 815 00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:04,440 So I'm looking forward to it. I think it's gonna be fun and we 816 00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:06,010 hope that this is encouraging to you. 817 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,180 Please, especially over these next 4 weeks, we're hoping that 818 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:13,890 more of you are are are listening to this podcast, not 819 00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:17,120 because we want just more listen like views, whatever, but 820 00:52:17,130 --> 00:52:22,110 because we think that between the sermon and the Bible study 821 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,720 and the podcast together. We're gonna cover a lot of 822 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:28,710 ground. Yeah, the goal is not to just 823 00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:33,570 repeat all the things, but to have each of those different 824 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,850 places and spaces and modalities be a different angle on these 825 00:52:37,860 --> 00:52:39,630 texts. So we hope you're along for the 826 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,290 ride and send us your questions as we go, even if you want to 827 00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:47,530 look ahead and read some of these passages through Luke 6, 828 00:52:48,340 --> 00:52:51,860 where we're going to be hanging through the community Bible 829 00:52:51,870 --> 00:52:55,090 study through this month. Send us your questions in 830 00:52:55,100 --> 00:52:57,400 advance if you'd like as well. But we hope that it's 831 00:52:57,410 --> 00:53:00,930 encouraging for your day today, wherever it finds you, and we 832 00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:02,320 will see you in the next episode.