1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:05,010 Hey, friend, Welcome to another episode of the KPC Podcast, and 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,530 we hope that this finds you enjoying your week this summer 3 00:00:09,540 --> 00:00:11,550 week. Whether you're listening on 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,620 Monday, that would be ambitious because we're just recording 5 00:00:14,630 --> 00:00:16,610 this on Monday. So if you're listening on 6 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:20,420 Monday, like, well done. Very likely later on in your 7 00:00:20,430 --> 00:00:23,570 week, which we realize is a wonderful thing. 8 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:26,850 So I've got Elena with me and a welcome back. 9 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:28,780 This is like Round 2 for you. Yeah. 10 00:00:28,790 --> 00:00:29,960 Great. Yeah, thanks coming back. 11 00:00:29,970 --> 00:00:31,800 This is really fun, glad to do it again. 12 00:00:31,860 --> 00:00:36,720 So we're going to jump into a conversation on Luke, chapter 8, 13 00:00:36,970 --> 00:00:41,280 three verses only. It was 19/20/21, which is 14 00:00:41,290 --> 00:00:45,800 Jesus's redefining of what family looks like inside the 15 00:00:45,810 --> 00:00:48,540 Kingdom. And it's a really pared down 16 00:00:48,550 --> 00:00:52,840 version in Luke of other accounts, like Mark has this 17 00:00:52,850 --> 00:00:55,280 account. It's a lot longer in Luke. 18 00:00:55,290 --> 00:00:58,620 It's just really small. So I'm going to read it and then 19 00:00:58,630 --> 00:01:02,030 we've got some questions. We received a few questions from 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,170 folks in the congregation, which is great. 21 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:07,470 And so we're going to tackle some of those and then I think 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,370 have a few questions to hopefully help you continue to 23 00:01:11,380 --> 00:01:16,050 have your own discussions around these these verses. 24 00:01:16,060 --> 00:01:19,150 And I think in this sense that the challenge we were talking 25 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,570 about this ahead of recording, Elena, you mentioned like the 26 00:01:21,580 --> 00:01:26,810 challenge to really wrestle with how this, you know, if you call 27 00:01:26,820 --> 00:01:29,970 yourself a follower of Jesus and if you're trying to live your 28 00:01:29,980 --> 00:01:34,080 life inside of community, how it challenges you kind of 29 00:01:34,090 --> 00:01:37,950 regardless of what your relationship to family has been, 30 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:40,850 whether it's good or bad, whether it's fraught with 31 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,290 conflict or whether it's full of love and joy for most people, 32 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:49,800 somewhere in between it. This really challenges, I think 33 00:01:49,810 --> 00:01:53,500 many of us in our understanding of what family is, what it is 34 00:01:53,510 --> 00:01:56,230 inside the Kingdom and how we're to act toward one another. 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Like it changes our relationships inside the church. 36 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:02,000 And so all that we're going to get into all of it. 37 00:02:02,510 --> 00:02:07,000 Let me read the passage 1st and and then we can jump in. 38 00:02:07,010 --> 00:02:10,780 So I preached from the NIV. I'm going to read from the ESV. 39 00:02:11,490 --> 00:02:13,720 And so there's a few words that are different. 40 00:02:14,370 --> 00:02:19,070 Probably don't need to touch on that, but this is what it sounds 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,330 like in the ESV. So then his mother and his 42 00:02:22,340 --> 00:02:25,840 brothers came to him, but they could not reach him because of 43 00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:28,880 the crowd. And he was told Your mother and 44 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:31,520 brothers are standing outside desiring to see you. 45 00:02:31,700 --> 00:02:35,590 But he answered them. My mother and my brothers are 46 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,310 those who hear the word of God and do it. 47 00:02:40,340 --> 00:02:43,590 Yeah, great. So we are going to write jump 48 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,490 right in with a question we received on e-mail. 49 00:02:46,500 --> 00:02:48,950 So thank you so much for everyone continuing to send in 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,700 those questions to us. This person said that you used 51 00:02:52,710 --> 00:02:56,550 that bonded set analogy in the sermon, especially in the 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,420 context of golf, and you touched on it. 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,530 But can you expand on the church community? 54 00:03:02,540 --> 00:03:05,990 We Christians are often accused of setting up what is similar to 55 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,540 this bonded set. You are now in the club and 56 00:03:08,550 --> 00:03:11,880 there are expectations. How can we overcome that 57 00:03:11,890 --> 00:03:14,760 perception that there is this checklist of things that we have 58 00:03:14,770 --> 00:03:18,700 to take off in order to be in? And also how can we walk 59 00:03:18,710 --> 00:03:22,420 alongside friends who might consciously or unconsciously set 60 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:24,770 up those boundaries or those checklists? 61 00:03:24,990 --> 00:03:27,920 So can you expand on that a bit? Yeah, couple questions for us to 62 00:03:27,930 --> 00:03:32,390 discuss within the one within the one question, right. 63 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,170 I, I love that somebody's wrestling this out because I 64 00:03:35,180 --> 00:03:38,810 think that and I like, I wasn't hard on churches so much in the 65 00:03:38,820 --> 00:03:42,230 in the sermon, like directly. Yeah, but I think it's really 66 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,250 easy for people to see that churches can fall into that 67 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:49,990 bounded set mentality of like group organization. 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,610 And you know, I gave the I gave the caveat like the disclaimer, 69 00:03:54,620 --> 00:03:56,190 I'm like, I'm not a mathematician. 70 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,960 I realize like, you know, this is there's some math involved 71 00:03:59,970 --> 00:04:03,260 here on, you know, at, at at like a theory level with these, 72 00:04:03,270 --> 00:04:07,980 these terms, but just very simply for those people who 73 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:11,860 might be listening who or watching who don't, who didn't 74 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:13,280 see the sermon or don't understand. 75 00:04:13,290 --> 00:04:18,320 So, so bounded set is a way of talking about groups that 76 00:04:18,329 --> 00:04:22,380 organize together. So this is within mathematics 77 00:04:22,530 --> 00:04:27,020 and like set theory, we're not going to get into that. 78 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,940 It's also used by sociologists to talk about how groups of 79 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:35,290 people organize together, and that's sort of what I lean into 80 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,560 more. Feels more like our domain as as 81 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:44,060 a church. So if you picture a box and for 82 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:46,350 those of you who are listening, I'm drawing a box with my hands 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,890 here. But like picture a box and it's 84 00:04:49,900 --> 00:04:53,820 very clear if you are a member of the community, you're inside 85 00:04:53,830 --> 00:04:56,140 the box. And if you're not a member of 86 00:04:56,150 --> 00:04:57,920 the community, you're outside the box. 87 00:04:58,290 --> 00:05:04,400 And the box is very clear. Like it's, it's bold, like bold 88 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:09,990 lines, clear delineation, very clear expectations on what gets 89 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:15,410 you membership within and what excludes you from membership on 90 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:17,760 the outside. So you can start to think like 91 00:05:17,770 --> 00:05:22,470 churches fall into this, this way of organizing. 92 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:26,050 Yeah, somewhat, maybe somewhat naturally in some sense. 93 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:29,470 But like, I think it's problematic that we do where 94 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,790 it's perceived that there are insiders and outsiders and it's 95 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,920 very clear who those insiders and outsiders are. 96 00:05:37,980 --> 00:05:41,060 So one of the criticisms that I received early on in my 97 00:05:41,070 --> 00:05:43,150 ministry. And so like, this was my first 98 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,570 church. I had somebody invite me out for 99 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:49,830 lunch and like, I won't, you know, absolutely would would 100 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,610 never share the name of this person, right? 101 00:05:51,620 --> 00:05:53,710 But like had somebody invite me out for lunch and sit me down 102 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,370 and explain to me why I needed to be wearing a suit and tie, 103 00:05:57,380 --> 00:05:58,530 OK. And preaching. 104 00:05:58,580 --> 00:06:02,470 So, you know, like this was very important to this person that I 105 00:06:02,540 --> 00:06:06,450 dress a certain way and look a certain way when I preach. 106 00:06:06,460 --> 00:06:08,650 And I understand that there are some people who still like 107 00:06:08,660 --> 00:06:11,310 probably in our own congregation would, would lean in that 108 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,650 direction, right? But it gave me an opportunity to 109 00:06:14,660 --> 00:06:18,580 say this person listen, like what you might see as haphazard, 110 00:06:18,590 --> 00:06:23,480 like I do very intentionally. So I wear jeans or like 111 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,540 whatever, like khaki pants, whatever I'm wearing. 112 00:06:25,550 --> 00:06:30,240 But like, I don't wear a suit, like, right, I don't wear a 113 00:06:30,250 --> 00:06:31,680 suit. I don't wear a collar. 114 00:06:31,690 --> 00:06:33,980 Like some many clergy wear collars. 115 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:38,340 I don't do that on a Sunday. And I don't do it for a very 116 00:06:38,350 --> 00:06:40,880 specific reason. And the reason is that I want 117 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:45,710 anybody to be able to walk in and see from the start that goes 118 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,240 on the plaque, those people on the platform who are leading 119 00:06:49,450 --> 00:06:52,080 look like me. Yeah. 120 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:56,300 Like there's an immediate ability to to identify with 121 00:06:56,310 --> 00:06:58,390 those of us who are leading. Yeah. 122 00:06:58,450 --> 00:07:03,160 And so I want somebody to walk in and feel like, oh, this is a 123 00:07:03,170 --> 00:07:07,420 place that I can belong before I believe. 124 00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:13,280 And that is like the main idea, I think, that pushes us away 125 00:07:13,290 --> 00:07:17,630 from being a bounded set. So bounded set would be you need 126 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:23,210 to believe the same thing as us and prove it or demonstrate it 127 00:07:23,410 --> 00:07:28,100 before you can belong. It's a qualifier for belonging 128 00:07:28,210 --> 00:07:31,280 that you believe the certain theological doctrines. 129 00:07:31,410 --> 00:07:35,680 You have the same language, you dress and look, maybe dress and 130 00:07:35,690 --> 00:07:37,460 look a certain way as part of it. 131 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:42,870 But those things become the qualifiers for membership, like 132 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,750 for belonging, for being a part of the community. 133 00:07:45,830 --> 00:07:47,470 Hmm. And what we want to say is no, 134 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,550 none of it is. You can belong here before you 135 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,430 believe the certain things, like believe the same things we 136 00:07:54,440 --> 00:08:00,100 believe before you, even before you behave certain ways, right, 137 00:08:00,110 --> 00:08:02,410 Which is some language that that's not my language, like 138 00:08:02,420 --> 00:08:05,800 there's a language that other churches use as well, but that 139 00:08:05,850 --> 00:08:10,080 your, your belief can change. We understand that and can 140 00:08:10,090 --> 00:08:12,340 shift. And it doesn't need to be 141 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:14,990 exactly what we believe before you can belong. 142 00:08:15,250 --> 00:08:21,470 And neither do you need to, you know, behave certain ways before 143 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:22,800 you can belong. You can show up. 144 00:08:22,810 --> 00:08:25,380 So I, you know, I want someone to walk in the door to the 145 00:08:25,390 --> 00:08:28,710 church because they feel like that's the place they need to be 146 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:32,830 and they don't immediately feel like they're faced with, oh, I 147 00:08:32,890 --> 00:08:37,450 don't fit in here. I don't belong because of what 148 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:40,380 they are wearing or because of the baggage that they're 149 00:08:40,390 --> 00:08:44,590 carrying in because of any number of different reasons, 150 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:47,630 right? So I think the bounded set, like 151 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,350 we can look like a bounded set in some ways, right? 152 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:55,550 We have expectations on members. Like, I expect that people who 153 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:59,120 are in like if you are in, if you call yourself a Christian, 154 00:08:59,130 --> 00:09:02,880 if you've, you know, made a public profession of faith, if 155 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:05,390 you've joined as a member officially, if you've been 156 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:12,680 baptized, like there are expectations on our community to 157 00:09:12,970 --> 00:09:18,580 live a certain way, but they're not barriers to entry into the 158 00:09:18,590 --> 00:09:21,580 community. And I think that's the that's 159 00:09:21,590 --> 00:09:25,900 the distinction between the two. So we're what I would like to 160 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:30,270 call us would be centre set, which is that we're all, we're 161 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,040 all facing Jesus. We're moving in that direction. 162 00:09:33,780 --> 00:09:37,700 You know, we're going to be at different distances from the 163 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:38,880 centre. Yeah. 164 00:09:38,930 --> 00:09:43,200 But what's more important to me is that your heart and your 165 00:09:43,210 --> 00:09:46,370 intention is directed toward Jesus. 166 00:09:46,380 --> 00:09:51,400 You're moving in that in that direction and that matters more 167 00:09:51,410 --> 00:09:55,030 than what you wear on a Sunday or what you're able to prove to 168 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,610 me that you believe what what scripture you've memorized. 169 00:09:58,620 --> 00:10:02,570 Like memorizing Scripture is a great thing to do, but none of 170 00:10:02,580 --> 00:10:06,500 that will be like, hey, like we got to check your like Jesus 171 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:09,930 card at the door before you can enter into who we are and what 172 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:12,460 we do and how we worship. No, like we want, we want you 173 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:13,380 here. Yeah. 174 00:10:13,390 --> 00:10:17,500 And you can belong. So the difference is, is it a 175 00:10:17,510 --> 00:10:21,900 barrier to entry or not? Yeah, That's what I think the 176 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:24,380 major difference is. And then once you're in, I go, 177 00:10:24,390 --> 00:10:27,020 yeah, expectations. Like I have expectations on our 178 00:10:27,030 --> 00:10:29,500 on our people. Yeah, I expect, and I'm going to 179 00:10:29,510 --> 00:10:30,980 give this plug because you won't. 180 00:10:31,210 --> 00:10:35,790 But like kids, men, I expect like when we baptize baby, 181 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,410 right. So I had to I had this 182 00:10:37,420 --> 00:10:41,460 conversation with somebody this weekend and this this individual 183 00:10:41,470 --> 00:10:45,140 was saying like, hey, like if you, if you, if you stand up 184 00:10:45,150 --> 00:10:49,490 there as part of the church and promise to help raise this kid, 185 00:10:49,710 --> 00:10:52,920 like shouldn't you also be volunteering in Sunday school? 186 00:10:53,390 --> 00:10:56,380 And like, yes, absolutely. So like here's this guy who's 187 00:10:56,390 --> 00:10:59,200 like, you know, he's like their family, they're all in and 188 00:10:59,210 --> 00:11:01,760 volunteering and love it. I'm not also not going to share 189 00:11:01,770 --> 00:11:05,060 the name of this person, but like this was this was the his, 190 00:11:05,070 --> 00:11:08,640 his point was like, you know, we as a congregation, we make 191 00:11:08,650 --> 00:11:11,040 commitments to our kids to help raise them. 192 00:11:11,050 --> 00:11:12,290 They should be teaching Sunday school. 193 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:13,380 Like they should be volunteering. 194 00:11:13,390 --> 00:11:15,630 And also I'll give that plug because your kids been director 195 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,420 and you're always looking for more volunteers, people who are 196 00:11:18,430 --> 00:11:21,490 going to be invested and buy into our culture and how we are 197 00:11:21,500 --> 00:11:24,400 here, how we are with the kids. Like, you know, we're going to 198 00:11:24,410 --> 00:11:26,580 ask certain things out of you if you're volunteering. 199 00:11:26,590 --> 00:11:32,030 There are expectations, but it's not like it's it's not a barrier 200 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,400 to entry into the community. Same with tithing. 201 00:11:34,410 --> 00:11:38,170 Like, you know, I think I say when when we talk about our 202 00:11:38,180 --> 00:11:44,170 tithes and offerings, it I do expect that like it's it is 203 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:50,200 biblical to talk about and have an expectation around tithe and 204 00:11:50,210 --> 00:11:53,340 not like tithes and offering. Yeah, but it's not like a 205 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:56,480 Netflix subscription that buys you privilege. 206 00:11:56,810 --> 00:11:58,440 And again, there's another difference. 207 00:11:58,490 --> 00:12:01,540 So is it a barrier to entry or not? 208 00:12:02,030 --> 00:12:05,500 Are people excluded because they do certain things or not? 209 00:12:05,510 --> 00:12:10,790 Like that would be bounded set. And does it buy you privilege 210 00:12:11,470 --> 00:12:12,980 again? So now we're talking more 211 00:12:12,990 --> 00:12:16,290 bounded set. So, you know, we go through 212 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:23,200 lengths here so that almost nobody knows what anybody gives. 213 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:27,160 Like that's very important. And so like, I like me as lead 214 00:12:27,170 --> 00:12:31,740 pastor, I don't know what individuals give. 215 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:33,560 And and that's like, I will never know. 216 00:12:33,570 --> 00:12:36,640 Like that's not, it's something I'm very like very adamant 217 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:39,240 about. And we're very, very like, 218 00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:43,250 there's very specific policies that we follow for our 219 00:12:43,260 --> 00:12:47,640 denomination around all of this. So so that it's not like, well, 220 00:12:47,650 --> 00:12:51,910 that person gives X number of dollars, we better make sure 221 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,110 they're happy. Yeah. 222 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,950 Otherwise they might leave and then we might lose their money, 223 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,310 right. Like that's the kind of dark 224 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,990 hole that it goes down. But again, tithing is it's an 225 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,010 expectation that you are financially invested in this 226 00:13:05,020 --> 00:13:08,370 thing, but it doesn't buy you privilege. 227 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,620 It doesn't get you an extra vote. 228 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:15,010 And what matters is the heart posture that you take as you do 229 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:17,350 it. Again, like their scripture all 230 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:22,630 through this, but like cents, dollars, hundreds of dollars, 231 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:27,110 thousands of dollars, Like what matters is that you're convicted 232 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,450 by God to do this thing and to respond because God asks it of 233 00:13:31,460 --> 00:13:33,340 you. It doesn't buy you any 234 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:37,700 privilege. So yeah, barrier of entry, 235 00:13:37,890 --> 00:13:39,350 that's a good way to talk about it. 236 00:13:39,410 --> 00:13:41,580 Privilege also a good way to talk about it. 237 00:13:41,670 --> 00:13:43,960 And that's where you can start picking apart the difference 238 00:13:43,970 --> 00:13:47,660 between what would be bounded set. 239 00:13:48,010 --> 00:13:52,340 Is this excluding inside or outside our language or is it 240 00:13:52,350 --> 00:13:54,940 centre set? Is it about right and good 241 00:13:54,950 --> 00:13:57,800 expectations of how we are to live together? 242 00:13:58,030 --> 00:14:00,900 Because again, they get the gospel ought to convict us to 243 00:14:00,910 --> 00:14:05,180 live differently. So we live differently and that 244 00:14:05,190 --> 00:14:08,300 requires doing things. But it's not going to get you 245 00:14:08,340 --> 00:14:09,500 entry. It's not going to get you 246 00:14:09,510 --> 00:14:11,180 privileged. It's not going to get you like 247 00:14:11,230 --> 00:14:13,660 extra time with like a pastor or whatever. 248 00:14:13,670 --> 00:14:15,740 Yeah. It's just that's not how we 249 00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:17,580 roll. So I think that's some of my 250 00:14:17,590 --> 00:14:20,560 language around answering that question and distinguishing 251 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:21,720 between the. Two, yeah. 252 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:24,140 And I think you did a good job on Sunday when you were 253 00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:28,470 explaining how in the culture that Jesus was in, it was almost 254 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,600 like those hard lines around entry because it was lineage. 255 00:14:31,610 --> 00:14:35,510 If you were a descendant of this tribe, Abraham, you know, you 256 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,280 could trace your lineage. You were very clearly in this 257 00:14:38,290 --> 00:14:40,080 family or outside of this family. 258 00:14:40,090 --> 00:14:44,740 And there was really not, yeah, that kind of cross crossing over 259 00:14:45,330 --> 00:14:48,510 in or out. And Jesus then comes and with 260 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,770 the statement he, he does break down that barrier to entry that 261 00:14:52,780 --> 00:14:57,520 was purely blood and family. But then with that, he opens it 262 00:14:57,530 --> 00:14:59,760 up. He opens up that that idea of 263 00:14:59,770 --> 00:15:02,840 anyone can come in. But he also issues a challenge 264 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:05,680 there because there is like you saying, there is that 265 00:15:05,690 --> 00:15:09,320 expectation it is those who hear God's word and puts it into 266 00:15:09,330 --> 00:15:12,580 practice. And we might even tie that back 267 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:14,760 a bit to the parable of the sower, which we looked at a 268 00:15:14,770 --> 00:15:19,220 while ago, where it is not just hearing, but it is it taking 269 00:15:19,230 --> 00:15:21,620 root inside of you and it producing something. 270 00:15:21,630 --> 00:15:24,410 So I was wondering if you could talk a little bit more around 271 00:15:24,420 --> 00:15:30,460 that idea of why is it hard sometimes to to hear and do and 272 00:15:30,470 --> 00:15:32,400 how those two things have to go together? 273 00:15:33,470 --> 00:15:34,910 Sure. So this is great and I 274 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,300 appreciate that you took us back to the sewer because that like 275 00:15:39,310 --> 00:15:43,180 this really in some way is the conclusion to that. 276 00:15:43,190 --> 00:15:48,740 Like I didn't call it that in the sermon, but I think there 277 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:54,120 was 1 iteration of my sermon. There was an early draft where I 278 00:15:54,130 --> 00:15:56,320 had, you know, essentially set it up as like this. 279 00:15:56,330 --> 00:16:00,530 It's a three-part series miniseries that we did really on 280 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:04,200 the same idea, which is the parable of the Sower. 281 00:16:04,310 --> 00:16:08,240 And it starts in, in eight, 1:00-ish. 282 00:16:08,250 --> 00:16:10,750 But I think 4 is when we're really into the, the actual 283 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,170 parable. But from the beginning of 284 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:16,730 chapter 8, we've got the parable of the sower and then Jesus 285 00:16:16,740 --> 00:16:19,890 teaching about parables, the purpose of, of them. 286 00:16:19,980 --> 00:16:24,190 And then we had the, the lamp under a jar. 287 00:16:24,260 --> 00:16:27,110 Like nobody lights a lamp and then hides it away. 288 00:16:27,340 --> 00:16:31,830 So again, like that's the language developing the language 289 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:37,650 of the parable in many ways. And then we've got the Jesus 290 00:16:37,660 --> 00:16:41,620 mother and brothers. So it's it's really 3 moves that 291 00:16:41,630 --> 00:16:45,720 Luke is making and wants us as readers to see all connected 292 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:49,540 together. That it is about like Jesus is 293 00:16:49,550 --> 00:16:54,860 making three times in a row this same point that what matters is 294 00:16:54,950 --> 00:17:02,790 your heart posture that you are receptive and wonder and 295 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:09,190 question and think and contemplate hope for all of 296 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,740 those things like that you essentially that you are 297 00:17:11,790 --> 00:17:17,720 remaining open enough to what Jesus is speaking so that it 298 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:22,930 lands and in the gardening language it takes root right in 299 00:17:22,940 --> 00:17:27,520 the lamp language. You're not hiding it and in this 300 00:17:27,530 --> 00:17:31,280 language of of Jesus mother and brothers you, you're hearing it 301 00:17:31,290 --> 00:17:36,350 and doing it. I think what is pushed a little 302 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:41,270 bit forward in this final section is so when I look at 303 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,720 those 3 movements, I see in the parable of the sower, Jesus 304 00:17:45,730 --> 00:17:50,870 talks about us hearing the word and and receiving it in a way 305 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:56,210 that transforms us. And really so at the end it 306 00:17:56,220 --> 00:18:01,890 says, you know, As for that, that is As for the seed in the 307 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:06,310 good soil, there are those who hearing the word, the word, hold 308 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,480 it fast in an honest and good heart and bear fruit with 309 00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:15,900 patience. So it's this idea of allowing 310 00:18:15,950 --> 00:18:21,140 the word of God and we can talk different ways about that. 311 00:18:21,150 --> 00:18:25,900 Jesus here, I think, is talking both about his own teaching and 312 00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:31,340 himself as the word of God. So in John One, that's how Jesus 313 00:18:31,350 --> 00:18:37,280 is himself described. So it really in receiving, in 314 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:40,780 receiving the teaching of the Kingdom and in receiving the 315 00:18:40,790 --> 00:18:43,590 Kingdom, ultimately what we're talking about is receiving 316 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:44,660 Jesus. Yeah. 317 00:18:44,730 --> 00:18:48,320 So you can't receive the teaching of Jesus without also 318 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:50,700 receiving Jesus. You can't live into the Kingdom 319 00:18:50,710 --> 00:18:52,600 of Jesus without accepting who he is. 320 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:54,980 Like all of like it is synonymous. 321 00:18:54,990 --> 00:19:00,720 Jesus is the Kingdom come and he is his teachings embodied. 322 00:19:01,550 --> 00:19:04,160 So I think it's about allowing the teaching of Jesus, the 323 00:19:04,170 --> 00:19:10,570 Kingdom who he is to, to hold fast to take root in your life 324 00:19:10,580 --> 00:19:12,490 in a way that starts to transform it. 325 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,180 And then in in the lamp under a jar, he goes and immediately 326 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:21,220 says, take care. Then how you hear. 327 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:25,920 So again, he's he's, he's pushing forward this idea that 328 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,550 how you hear, how you listen, how you are intentional about 329 00:19:29,610 --> 00:19:34,200 about doing that matters. And it it becomes important to 330 00:19:34,210 --> 00:19:39,610 not, you know, light a lamp and then just stifle it, like put it 331 00:19:39,620 --> 00:19:44,490 under like it needs the right environment to to remain lit, 332 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,540 but it also requires intentionality there. 333 00:19:46,550 --> 00:19:48,510 Like you, you are intentional about lighting a lamp and 334 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,690 putting it where it is to be seen and useful and helpful. 335 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,570 It actually does something. And in the same way, he says, 336 00:19:54,580 --> 00:19:58,750 hey, like, listen, like this isn't just for you, right? 337 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:01,370 You're not, you're not a lamp lit just for your own sake. 338 00:20:01,380 --> 00:20:03,370 It's not just so you can look good, Like, hey, look at 339 00:20:03,380 --> 00:20:06,050 everybody looking at me. It is to do something like 340 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:09,580 there's a purpose to it. And then here in the mother and 341 00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:13,680 brothers, what what he says is. At the end of the day, like, 342 00:20:15,290 --> 00:20:20,590 yeah, yeah, the most privileged relationship that you could 343 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,700 think of in that day. In many ways, he now alters to 344 00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:29,410 say this is how important hearing and doing inside of the 345 00:20:29,420 --> 00:20:33,030 Kingdom is. Like it represents being mother 346 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,670 and brother, like it represents being family. 347 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:41,080 So, so like it's almost like Jesus saying, I get this through 348 00:20:41,090 --> 00:20:43,840 your head. There's nothing more important 349 00:20:43,850 --> 00:20:46,980 than this because there's, there's no, there's no familial 350 00:20:46,990 --> 00:20:51,360 bond, there's no lineage, There's no, you know, piece of 351 00:20:51,420 --> 00:20:55,900 who you are that that really defines who you are greater than 352 00:20:55,910 --> 00:20:59,040 your relationship to Jesus. So I think that's the piece. 353 00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:02,860 It's a, it's a flip on, on identity in some ways and on 354 00:21:02,870 --> 00:21:06,500 understanding who we are and what's most important about us. 355 00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:11,890 So the the piece of hope that I hope that I hope that I really 356 00:21:11,900 --> 00:21:16,890 wanted people to hear in it as well, is that Jesus is taking, 357 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:19,050 and you alluded to this, Jesus is taking something very 358 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:25,710 specific and almost impossible to breakdown or break into. 359 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,450 Like you're not changing your family of origin. 360 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:29,930 You're not changing your lineage. 361 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:31,730 Like that's not, we don't do that. 362 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:33,890 Like it's like it just is what it is. 363 00:21:34,140 --> 00:21:37,400 And Jesus is saying like, alright, like we're not going to 364 00:21:37,410 --> 00:21:41,030 think about membership into family inside the community, 365 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:45,920 inside the the Kingdom of God as that strict and limiting. 366 00:21:46,170 --> 00:21:49,960 It's actually that's blown open to anybody and everybody who 367 00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:51,930 hears the word and then acts on it. 368 00:21:52,790 --> 00:21:56,860 So I think my mind can go to like it is like it's another 369 00:21:56,870 --> 00:22:00,500 thing to do or it's A to do list or it's a checklist or it's how 370 00:22:00,510 --> 00:22:03,840 do I know I'm doing good enough? Is there, do I have to pass a 371 00:22:03,850 --> 00:22:05,480 test? Like how do I prove that I know 372 00:22:05,490 --> 00:22:07,740 it? What does doing it actually look 373 00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:08,750 like? Do I have to do it all the time? 374 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:10,610 Like what if I forget and like, what if I fail? 375 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:15,920 What if I fall like all of those things and when really it's 376 00:22:15,930 --> 00:22:20,770 intended to be this hope filled realization of oh anybody. 377 00:22:20,830 --> 00:22:23,650 This is open to anybody now amazing. 378 00:22:23,930 --> 00:22:25,650 It doesn't matter what your lineage is. 379 00:22:25,660 --> 00:22:28,110 In other words, it doesn't matter what your history is, no 380 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,490 matter what your past is like this is for everybody. 381 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,430 And that in my mind I go, OK, so that that's just grace and 382 00:22:36,500 --> 00:22:42,900 hopeful and, um, blown wide open as opposed to being really pared 383 00:22:42,910 --> 00:22:44,540 down. The early church really wrestled 384 00:22:44,550 --> 00:22:45,800 with us, right? Yeah. 385 00:22:46,010 --> 00:22:49,760 So like I was flipping over to Galatians earlier just just 386 00:22:49,770 --> 00:22:54,180 quickly because like the early church really wrestled with. 387 00:22:54,970 --> 00:23:01,330 OK, so the Jesus Jesus called Jewish followers. 388 00:23:02,370 --> 00:23:07,350 Now eventually what we see is the the churches is expanded and 389 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:11,280 includes Gentile believers. And then you get this conflict 390 00:23:11,290 --> 00:23:13,260 be like the Jewish Christians are like no, you got to become 391 00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:15,300 Jewish 1st and then become Christian. 392 00:23:15,570 --> 00:23:17,820 And Paul's got to wrestle this out with some of his early 393 00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:19,600 churches. And that's where we get that 394 00:23:19,610 --> 00:23:23,220 great line where Paul's writing to this church in Galatia, who 395 00:23:23,230 --> 00:23:30,680 would be a mixed group of like Jewish Christians, non Jewish 396 00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:33,340 Christians, everybody trying to live life together. 397 00:23:33,710 --> 00:23:38,360 And he he says now that faith has come, we are no longer under 398 00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:42,780 a guardian for in Christ Jesus you are all he uses sons of God 399 00:23:42,860 --> 00:23:44,580 through faith. But this is just this is 400 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,490 language of family. For as many of you as we're 401 00:23:49,500 --> 00:23:52,400 baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 402 00:23:52,490 --> 00:23:57,480 There is no, he says no longer Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor 403 00:23:57,490 --> 00:24:00,220 free male, female, you're all one in Christ Jesus. 404 00:24:00,230 --> 00:24:04,610 So he says a lot of the things that used to gain membership. 405 00:24:04,620 --> 00:24:08,570 So here we're talking like in in other words, church. 406 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:12,810 These are categories of privilege and non privilege. 407 00:24:12,860 --> 00:24:15,210 Yeah, right. These are categories that used 408 00:24:15,220 --> 00:24:18,690 to buy, for lack of a better word, or gain you entry into a 409 00:24:18,700 --> 00:24:20,960 community. So it's not about it's not about 410 00:24:20,970 --> 00:24:23,390 your heritage or your Greek, doesn't matter. 411 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,010 What matters is that you've been baptized into Christ. 412 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,560 You put on Christ one of those would have been seen as 413 00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:33,450 privileged, right? So the Jewish community of 414 00:24:33,460 --> 00:24:36,140 Christians thought themselves privileged over the Gentile 415 00:24:36,150 --> 00:24:39,610 community of Christians. Slave or free, same thing, male 416 00:24:39,620 --> 00:24:42,130 or female. Like none of these things gain 417 00:24:42,140 --> 00:24:44,700 you anything or lose you anything. 418 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:47,300 What matters is that you've been baptized into Christ and have 419 00:24:47,310 --> 00:24:49,000 put on Christ in Paul's language. 420 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:52,740 So you've heard the Word and you've begun doing it. 421 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,530 Yeah. In other words. 422 00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:54,990 Right. And again, this is like one of 423 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:56,870 the things that could have included in the sermon didn't 424 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,380 make it in. There's lots that always doesn't 425 00:24:58,390 --> 00:25:01,740 make it in. Yeah, but Paul's not saying that 426 00:25:01,750 --> 00:25:05,450 there's, you know, no longer things that that are distinct 427 00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:06,590 about us. Yeah. 428 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,230 Like he's not saying destroy every category and, you know, 429 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,490 forget everything that once was. But he's saying that these these 430 00:25:14,530 --> 00:25:18,730 these categories that at one point you thought gained you 431 00:25:18,740 --> 00:25:23,110 something inside of a religious community no longer gain you 432 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,330 anything inside the religious community. 433 00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:29,110 What matters is your your, your union with Christ. 434 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,090 What matters is that and in that language that you've put on 435 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:36,370 Christ, that you've heard the word in Jesus's language and 436 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:38,130 you're trying to do it. You're wrestling it out. 437 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:40,670 Yeah. And in that, in that 438 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,830 redefinition of family from Jesus, I think there's so much 439 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,330 like hope. I was just thinking, you know, 440 00:25:47,340 --> 00:25:50,690 that this this would give hope to to the slave, to the Gentile, 441 00:25:50,700 --> 00:25:52,260 to those who had been on the outside. 442 00:25:52,270 --> 00:25:56,000 And even in our modern contacts, we think of those as we're 443 00:25:56,010 --> 00:25:58,700 talking about family. Our families are so complicated. 444 00:25:58,710 --> 00:26:01,490 There is so much brokenness. There are those who are 445 00:26:01,500 --> 00:26:04,150 estranged from their biological families who have never known 446 00:26:04,330 --> 00:26:09,580 that kind of intact close love in the family and Jesus, that's 447 00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:13,600 such a for me is such a profound hope that he's he's opening this 448 00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:15,600 up. He's saying you are now my 449 00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:18,440 mother and my brother and you are one with me and you are part 450 00:26:18,450 --> 00:26:21,460 of this family now and there's that that hope in that. 451 00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:24,370 But then we can also see there how on the other side, there are 452 00:26:24,380 --> 00:26:27,500 those of us who have been privileged to be what would 453 00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:30,000 have, who would have been the free, who would have been the 454 00:26:30,010 --> 00:26:32,480 Jew. And in our modern context, maybe 455 00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:36,500 who are very comfortable with our our family of origin and who 456 00:26:36,510 --> 00:26:38,920 see ourselves as secure. And there's maybe also that 457 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:42,560 challenge then, and how do we we fully live with one another in 458 00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:46,080 this new spiritual family in a way that that Jesus is calling 459 00:26:46,090 --> 00:26:48,510 us to. So yeah, I don't know if you had 460 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,060 any further thoughts on on that. Yeah, it's, it's hard, right? 461 00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:58,470 You get, you get these moments where, you know, there there's 462 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,890 an individual who wants to bury his deceased parent and, and he 463 00:27:03,900 --> 00:27:08,980 says let the dead bury the dead. So there's like an urgency to it 464 00:27:09,030 --> 00:27:13,840 and a sense in which, yeah, we're called into a different 465 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:17,730 community. You don't want to dishonor, 466 00:27:17,740 --> 00:27:19,150 right? Like you also you. 467 00:27:19,380 --> 00:27:24,850 How do you honor your father and mother and also follow Jesus who 468 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:28,790 says leave? Yeah, leave your your family to 469 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,150 some degree, right. And follow me. 470 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,360 The early call to two of the fishermen. 471 00:27:34,410 --> 00:27:36,970 They leave James and John, right? 472 00:27:36,980 --> 00:27:40,480 They leave their fathers equity in the boat and they followed 473 00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:42,640 Jesus. Like if I'm that dad and be 474 00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:45,980 like, wait, what? Yeah, like maybe he's cheering 475 00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:47,550 them on. Maybe it's like you guys go like 476 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,530 this is everything you wanted go. 477 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,090 We don't, we don't know, Like we don't get that. 478 00:27:52,140 --> 00:27:55,240 But there is this seemingly there's this call repeated 479 00:27:55,250 --> 00:28:00,510 throughout Scripture that it does mean leaving to some degree 480 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,050 your your family of origin. I think it is the challenge that 481 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:16,130 I see is to those who would, who would consider themselves 482 00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:18,630 inside. And again, that's dangerous, 483 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,850 like kind of problematic language. 484 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:24,670 But if you consider yourself part of the church, I think the 485 00:28:24,740 --> 00:28:30,570 burden is on us to choose to be family. 486 00:28:30,620 --> 00:28:35,940 Yeah, for one another. Um, and I like that that 487 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:39,240 becomes, I think that that's where the, the burden lies. 488 00:28:40,490 --> 00:28:44,880 The the burden doesn't lie on the one who is wrestling out 489 00:28:44,890 --> 00:28:49,400 their own broken family and who's trying to enter into a 490 00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:51,930 community of faith. The burden is on those of us who 491 00:28:51,940 --> 00:28:56,250 are in again, inside, but who are those of us who are part of 492 00:28:56,260 --> 00:29:02,540 the community to change, like, to live in such a way that it it 493 00:29:02,750 --> 00:29:07,760 radically alters this individual's definition of 494 00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:11,460 family. Yeah, know that I think that's 495 00:29:11,470 --> 00:29:15,200 the the piece that I would want our people to hear for sure. 496 00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:18,120 Like if you're part of our church have been a part of KPC 497 00:29:18,130 --> 00:29:21,300 for a while, like I think the burdens on us. 498 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:25,460 Yeah. So I don't know if that answers 499 00:29:25,470 --> 00:29:29,720 the question necessarily, but I, you know, I think back to when 500 00:29:29,730 --> 00:29:33,180 we came like my family first, first arrived here and we had 501 00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:34,860 moved like we moved from out of town. 502 00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:38,070 We sold our house. We bought a house before we 503 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,000 bought a house. Like we were receiving emails 504 00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:43,060 from multiple people with like the title, but like, you want to 505 00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:44,840 be our neighbor? Like this house is popped up for 506 00:29:44,850 --> 00:29:47,040 sale. And like we had people, we had 507 00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:51,160 people watching like, you know, for houses that were popping up. 508 00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:52,360 We have people. Yeah. 509 00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:54,940 We had people calling and saying, hey, if you know, if you 510 00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:57,650 need you come move in with us. Like live with us for a little 511 00:29:57,660 --> 00:30:00,420 while until you until you find a place here. 512 00:30:00,650 --> 00:30:05,310 And when we showed up, it was like, it was like there was this 513 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,890 community of people, not the whole like I'm not. 514 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,590 So our entire community was very welcoming, like our entire 515 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560 church was very welcoming and embracing of us. 516 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,630 But there was like a small group of families who basically said 517 00:30:17,860 --> 00:30:19,230 you're ours now. Yeah. 518 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,860 Like you're in, you're part of us. 519 00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:22,880 You're one of us. You're gonna do some things like 520 00:30:22,890 --> 00:30:27,010 you're going to come for a meal. We're gonna drop meals off. 521 00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:29,430 We're going to come clean the house with you. 522 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,570 Once we bought a house, right? Like it was almost like there 523 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,550 were, there were, there were these people just intentionally 524 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,410 said we were. You're like, we're in your life 525 00:30:37,420 --> 00:30:39,130 now because you're in our. Life. 526 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:43,150 And it was incredible, the gift that that was to us. 527 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,250 And I think some of the time we, we don't want to be like an 528 00:30:47,260 --> 00:30:48,730 imposition. Yeah. 529 00:30:48,790 --> 00:30:50,670 On people like. Well, like we'll let you get 530 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,270 settled and you tell us what you need. 531 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:59,570 You need what you need and and then you know, and we're here. 532 00:30:59,620 --> 00:31:02,420 Yeah. And like the beauty of it for us 533 00:31:02,430 --> 00:31:05,020 was like, we had people were just like, Nope, we're in, 534 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,710 we're, we're, we're at, like, we're here for you and showing 535 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,670 up. And that was a, a beautiful, 536 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,890 incredible thing for us. It was a gift to our family and 537 00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:16,380 it changed the way we landed here like it did. 538 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,150 And so I think that's the piece that I want people to really 539 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:25,040 wrestle with is like, yeah, embrace people and don't give 540 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:31,370 them the opportunity to, like, just sit forever on the outside 541 00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,610 of things. I'm doing air quotes if you're 542 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:35,610 listening, right? Like it's again challenging 543 00:31:35,620 --> 00:31:40,050 language. So that would be my, that would 544 00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:47,960 be my challenge to like the every day member of the church, 545 00:31:48,030 --> 00:31:52,400 churchgoer, like choose to be that person who just shows up 546 00:31:52,410 --> 00:31:56,220 like, Yep, yeah, you're, you're, you're you're asked now. 547 00:31:56,270 --> 00:31:58,240 Yeah, this is this is what that means. 548 00:31:58,250 --> 00:32:00,490 And you're going to come for lunch and, you know, whatever 549 00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:04,330 that, whatever that can look like, I think, yeah, bonuses on 550 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:06,470 us. And we need to be the ones to 551 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,850 embrace. I think that's the direction. 552 00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:12,270 Yeah, and even just using that language, I think maybe it's a 553 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,630 Christian cliche calling each other brothers and sisters in 554 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,510 Christ. But you know, it really does 555 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,270 change. I think the way we look at each 556 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,210 other when we do start realizing this is not just my coworker or, 557 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:25,010 you know, someone I have a again, we use that a language 558 00:32:25,020 --> 00:32:27,170 sometimes a transactional relationship with, but this is 559 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:30,550 this is family God. That is what Jesus calls us now. 560 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:35,280 We are part of one another and we are to care for each other 561 00:32:35,290 --> 00:32:38,280 the way we would care for our own flesh and blood families. 562 00:32:38,930 --> 00:32:40,620 Yeah. And it doesn't mean it's going 563 00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:42,360 to be perfect. Yeah, the church is not a 564 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:44,220 perfect family. And I think that's the other 565 00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:48,690 thing that we need to realize is it it doesn't just because you 566 00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:52,300 call somebody family doesn't mean that OHS suddenly 567 00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:54,710 everything's happy and wonderful all the time. 568 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,050 What it means is that you don't have a choice. 569 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,260 Yeah, to love this person. Yes, they're in it for the long 570 00:33:03,270 --> 00:33:04,080 haul. Exactly. 571 00:33:04,090 --> 00:33:04,990 Yeah. Exactly. 572 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,550 And, and you can you can like one another to varying degrees. 573 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,070 You can enter in and out of conflict like there's Show me a 574 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,720 family without conflict and I'll show you somebody who's 575 00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:21,720 wrestling with seeing things accurately or lying. 576 00:33:21,730 --> 00:33:24,600 Yeah, about the way things actually are, having a hard time 577 00:33:24,610 --> 00:33:27,720 processing stuff, whatever. But like, every single family 578 00:33:27,730 --> 00:33:30,740 has conflict in it. And what? 579 00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:38,400 What the the difference is that, you know, so when I think about 580 00:33:38,410 --> 00:33:41,220 like, think, think about your family of origin growing up or 581 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:45,140 think about your family now, like you have conflict. 582 00:33:45,250 --> 00:33:47,280 They're still your family at the end of the day. 583 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,700 And when that conflict is done, they're still your family. 584 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:52,780 Yeah. And there's no getting around 585 00:33:52,790 --> 00:33:56,580 that. So that's the piece for us as a 586 00:33:56,590 --> 00:33:58,480 church is like, it shapes everything. 587 00:33:58,490 --> 00:34:00,060 It's not that. It's not that there won't be 588 00:34:00,070 --> 00:34:02,120 conflict. There will absolutely be 589 00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:06,120 conflict. What what changes is, oh, these 590 00:34:06,130 --> 00:34:10,500 are still the people I'm called love and serve and yeah, live 591 00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:13,300 life with after the conflict is done. 592 00:34:13,370 --> 00:34:15,860 Yeah, so let's do conflict differently. 593 00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:19,250 Yeah. And that's, I think the piece, 594 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:24,250 right, is it's it defines our community differently and it 595 00:34:24,260 --> 00:34:25,370 shapes our community differently. 596 00:34:25,380 --> 00:34:30,350 And it like, yeah, it's no longer something that I believe 597 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,610 you can just walk away from. Yeah, that's the piece. 598 00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:38,219 It's like this is choose to be here and choose the land and 599 00:34:38,370 --> 00:34:40,690 choose to be in it through the conflict. 600 00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:43,880 Yeah, that that's, those are the harder days for sure of 601 00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:48,190 community, but I think that's the challenge to love well that 602 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,230 you're talking about is, is in the good days and the bad days. 603 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:51,840 Yeah. Yeah. 604 00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:54,199 Definitely. So I think that's where we're 605 00:34:54,210 --> 00:34:55,780 gonna land. Yeah, for today. 606 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,520 And we hope that this encourages you and challenges you. 607 00:34:59,970 --> 00:35:05,020 Maybe if I can leave you with one lingering question, it might 608 00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:11,670 be to think about how the language of family causes you to 609 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,690 initially react. Like does it make your like, it 610 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,650 doesn't make your anxiety, your eyes a little bit Or does it 611 00:35:18,660 --> 00:35:22,230 settle you into something that is familiar, like familiar and 612 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:29,290 peaceful and loving, But what direction does it push you in? 613 00:35:29,780 --> 00:35:34,830 And then in that to kind of think through what your 614 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,990 relationship to others inside of a community might might look 615 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:43,830 like if you thought about it more along the lines of family, 616 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,130 how you called the love somebody well inside of inside of the 617 00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:51,020 church. And what's one thing you could 618 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:54,520 do to help somebody belong before they believe? 619 00:35:55,450 --> 00:35:57,960 Yeah. So again, thanks for tuning in. 620 00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:59,800 Only thanks for joining me. Yeah, thanks for having me 621 00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:00,800 again. Great. 622 00:36:00,870 --> 00:36:03,720 And like Justin, I said last week, you're going to see 623 00:36:04,210 --> 00:36:07,350 multiple hosts rolling throughout the remainder of the 624 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,600 summer vacation and preaching schedule, all of it taking into 625 00:36:12,610 --> 00:36:16,740 account. But we hope that you enjoy our 626 00:36:16,750 --> 00:36:19,000 episodes through the summer and that they help you have good 627 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,100 conversation throughout your week.