1 00:00:00,460 --> 00:00:02,210 Hey, friend. Welcome to another episode of 2 00:00:02,220 --> 00:00:06,300 the Sunday Sit Down, our podcast where we discuss the theme 3 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:09,790 really from our message on Sunday, including jumping back 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,490 into the text a little bit. And it gives us an opportunity 5 00:00:12,500 --> 00:00:15,650 to have some conversation about things that maybe we didn't 6 00:00:15,660 --> 00:00:19,850 cover during the sermon or questions that rose out of the 7 00:00:19,860 --> 00:00:21,650 sermon. And so we received a few 8 00:00:21,660 --> 00:00:24,990 questions this week, which we're going to tackle and we want to 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,590 take that opportunity just to plug really quickly. 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,350 You can always send us questions, questions at 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,650 Cortright church.org. And we would love to love to 12 00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:39,340 tackle some of the questions that you're wrestling through. 13 00:00:39,380 --> 00:00:43,930 Really at the end of the day, we hope that between the sermon and 14 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:48,430 these podcast episodes, you are feeling encouraged and equipped 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,970 and even a little bit challenged to have your own conversations 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:57,890 and voice your own questions. So, you know, to your people or 17 00:00:57,900 --> 00:01:00,830 and or in an e-mail to us. We'd love to do that. 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,129 But I thought this morning what I wanted to do, and recognizing 19 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:06,090 that it's probably not the morning by the time you're 20 00:01:06,100 --> 00:01:11,160 listening to this, I wanted to plug three books that are, I 21 00:01:11,170 --> 00:01:13,130 think, helpful in different ways. 22 00:01:13,190 --> 00:01:17,600 If you are wrestling through the similar question that I began 23 00:01:17,610 --> 00:01:20,820 the sermon with on Sunday, which was, you know, I don't know that 24 00:01:20,830 --> 00:01:25,800 I actually know how to pray or at least pray in the way that I 25 00:01:25,810 --> 00:01:29,800 want to or feel called to or see demonstrated in Scripture. 26 00:01:29,810 --> 00:01:31,780 Or maybe like, you know, somebody who's like, they just, 27 00:01:31,790 --> 00:01:37,210 they pray every single day and you admire that in this person. 28 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,570 Usually those people are elderly. 29 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,410 Like we've got some just phenomenal, what the church has 30 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:47,450 called over its many, many years, prayer warriors, like 31 00:01:47,460 --> 00:01:52,280 people who just are committed to faithfully pray, man. 32 00:01:52,290 --> 00:01:56,110 Like we've got some fantastic people who who are so, so, so 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,000 committed to that. Maybe you're looking at somebody 34 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:00,090 you're like, I don't know how to pray like that. 35 00:02:00,100 --> 00:02:01,940 Or maybe you see Jesus, you're like, I'm not sure how to pray 36 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:04,320 like that. Or maybe prayer is new to you 37 00:02:04,330 --> 00:02:06,340 and you're wrestling out. I don't actually know what to 38 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:09,120 say when I sit down to pray. So three books really quickly, 39 00:02:10,570 --> 00:02:14,500 Pete Gregg's book called How to Pray, and hopefully we'll maybe 40 00:02:14,510 --> 00:02:16,640 be able to drop some links in. If you're watching this on 41 00:02:16,650 --> 00:02:20,180 YouTube, we can put some links into these books, How to Pray, a 42 00:02:20,190 --> 00:02:24,820 simple guide for normal people. It's great for wrestling through 43 00:02:24,830 --> 00:02:30,960 prayer and prayer in its various forms from a very just down to 44 00:02:30,970 --> 00:02:36,360 earth, real honest perspective. So yeah, How to Pray by Pete 45 00:02:36,370 --> 00:02:39,820 Gregg is great. In a similar vein on Talking 46 00:02:39,830 --> 00:02:44,370 with God by Adam Webber, the subtitle is this of this book is 47 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:47,310 What to Say When You Don't Know How to Pray. 48 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:56,840 And again, just very good, biblically grounded, simple, and 49 00:02:56,850 --> 00:03:00,140 I mean that in the most complementary way approach to 50 00:03:00,150 --> 00:03:05,240 prayer, like how can you just simply start praying? 51 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:08,160 These are two great books in that vein. 52 00:03:08,170 --> 00:03:12,000 And I always keep extra of these books kicking around in my 53 00:03:12,010 --> 00:03:14,120 office. So if you don't know how to find 54 00:03:14,130 --> 00:03:17,440 them or can't find them, come find me and I'd be happy to give 55 00:03:17,450 --> 00:03:20,060 you a copy. Third book is a little bit 56 00:03:20,070 --> 00:03:22,780 longer, Philip Yancey's book on prayer called Prayer. 57 00:03:23,090 --> 00:03:26,580 So subtitle here is Does it make any difference? 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,250 So we wrestled that question out a little bit on Sunday and the 59 00:03:30,260 --> 00:03:36,080 tension of what that might look like for you to influence God 60 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:38,330 with your prayers. Does prayer influence God? 61 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:43,130 Or does prayer at the end of the day influence me and my own? 62 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,480 Being and Barts the. Contrast. 63 00:03:45,490 --> 00:03:47,690 These were the two, Yeah, these are the two people. 64 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:53,720 And Yancy wrestles that out in long form in this book. 65 00:03:53,790 --> 00:03:57,180 Again, just a really good book to prayer. 66 00:03:57,190 --> 00:04:02,480 So yeah, if you're looking for something a little longer and 67 00:04:02,490 --> 00:04:06,540 more in depth and deeper kind of into this subtitle question, 68 00:04:06,550 --> 00:04:09,980 Does it make a difference? Yancey's book on prayer, if 69 00:04:09,990 --> 00:04:15,030 you're looking for more primer, get you going, start you down 70 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,959 the right path, maybe start cultivating some prayer habits. 71 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:22,790 Adam Webber and Pete Gregg are two great places to start so. 72 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,230 That's great. That's great. 73 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,330 Yeah. So this passage is, you know, 74 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,220 it's Jesus giving us a model of sorts for prayer, but it also 75 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:39,080 deals with some like heavy theology of prayer in some ways, 76 00:04:39,090 --> 00:04:42,240 right, which you couldn't get to all of it. 77 00:04:42,250 --> 00:04:44,820 It's it's a fairly lengthy passage. 78 00:04:44,830 --> 00:04:47,060 And to give everything its weight, we would have been 79 00:04:47,070 --> 00:04:48,800 there. We were already there while. 80 00:04:48,810 --> 00:04:50,340 Already long. It's already. 81 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:51,520 Too long. That's OK. 82 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:53,760 We it was all great. It was great. 83 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:56,510 It was a great service. It was, it was, but it was, 84 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,230 yeah, you couldn't get to everything right. 85 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,960 And so there are some parts of this passage that do have a fair 86 00:05:04,970 --> 00:05:08,430 amount of like, tension in them. You know, I mean, you 87 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,330 highlighted this tension of, of, you know, yeah, Kierkegaard and 88 00:05:11,340 --> 00:05:16,290 Bart of like whether God is, you know, whether we are influencing 89 00:05:16,300 --> 00:05:19,770 God in prayer or whether God is influencing, influencing us in 90 00:05:19,780 --> 00:05:25,130 prayer, right. But there is another part of 91 00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:28,720 this passage that feels a bit like almost, almost out of 92 00:05:28,730 --> 00:05:30,800 place. And this was one question that 93 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:33,400 came in, which I think is this is the sort of place that we get 94 00:05:33,410 --> 00:05:36,180 to, like, talk about it. And it's where Jesus calls us 95 00:05:36,190 --> 00:05:38,140 all evil. Great. 96 00:05:38,610 --> 00:05:43,260 We're starting in the deep. End that's that's that for me is 97 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:47,370 like most pressing, you know, felt it felt it acutely as as I 98 00:05:47,380 --> 00:05:50,330 was sitting there like, Hey, no matter how many times I read 99 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:54,990 that, it always feels jarring. So, so just just to kind of 100 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,170 recap what what Jesus is saying. Jesus is using all these 101 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:01,670 examples he's talking about like, you know how? 102 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,860 Let me just read it. Where am I going here? 103 00:06:07,870 --> 00:06:12,460 So this is in Luke 11 and he's talking about examples of like 104 00:06:12,470 --> 00:06:14,080 friends. If you show up, you know your 105 00:06:14,090 --> 00:06:16,100 friends are in the middle of the night because they need bread. 106 00:06:16,110 --> 00:06:17,700 But yeah, you're gonna give him bread. 107 00:06:17,830 --> 00:06:20,720 And then he says if there is there anyone among you, if your 108 00:06:20,730 --> 00:06:23,440 child asks for a fish, we'll instead give him a snake. 109 00:06:23,490 --> 00:06:27,100 Or if the child asks for an egg will give a scorpion. 110 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:31,380 And then Jesus says, if you then who are evil know how to good 111 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:34,660 gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father 112 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:38,680 give the gifts I give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him. 113 00:06:38,990 --> 00:06:45,670 And it it dawns on me that, you know, that language in 114 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,190 particular can feel, Yeah. It can feel almost like 115 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,750 confrontational, almost, almost offensive. 116 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:56,130 And yet when I think about it, I'm like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm 117 00:06:56,140 --> 00:07:02,320 evil sometimes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I so I think, 118 00:07:02,330 --> 00:07:04,800 I think there's a I think this lands different for different 119 00:07:04,810 --> 00:07:06,740 people, right. So just so some people might be 120 00:07:06,750 --> 00:07:08,170 listening. Oh, actually, I don't really 121 00:07:08,180 --> 00:07:09,780 have a problem thinking about myself as evil. 122 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:11,570 Like I know that I wrestle that out every day. 123 00:07:11,580 --> 00:07:13,600 I feel it and like I know I'm prone, right? 124 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:16,330 Was saying to him, right. Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it 125 00:07:16,390 --> 00:07:19,140 prone to leave the God I love. Here's my heart, Lord taken seal 126 00:07:19,150 --> 00:07:22,360 it right. So, you know, I think for for 127 00:07:22,410 --> 00:07:27,720 centuries, for generations, for longer than that, human beings 128 00:07:27,730 --> 00:07:32,740 have wrestled out their own inclination toward sin, right. 129 00:07:32,750 --> 00:07:36,460 With the Bible called sin toward brokenness, toward the little 130 00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:39,460 pieces of death inside of life. Right. 131 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,070 We know, I know, like there are ways that I hurt those I love. 132 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,610 And there are ways that that, you know, those I love hurt me. 133 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:52,770 And even just to put it into that kind of framework, we go, 134 00:07:52,780 --> 00:07:55,470 yeah, OK, I I know that kind of experience. 135 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,670 I'll go, OK. So just to recognize some people 136 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,060 might be really feeling it like, what are you talking about? 137 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:05,040 Like you're calling us evil. And then other people like, 138 00:08:05,050 --> 00:08:06,670 yeah, no, that checks out. I get it. 139 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,380 And I don't think that those two people are in different 140 00:08:09,390 --> 00:08:11,550 categories. Like some are not evil. 141 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,090 And so like, whoa, it's like, what are you? 142 00:08:14,150 --> 00:08:17,960 But I do think that it's, it sounds like this sweeping 143 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:22,820 statement of like you who are evil, this declaration of like 144 00:08:22,890 --> 00:08:26,520 you who are only evil or you who are evil all the time, or you 145 00:08:26,530 --> 00:08:30,420 who are like categorically evil or you who are defined by like. 146 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:33,690 And and I go, OK, like there are some theological things to 147 00:08:34,010 --> 00:08:38,970 wrestle out that we probably won't do today around sin and. 148 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,750 Total depravity. Sure. 149 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,330 Yeah, yeah. We've been hinting at that one 150 00:08:44,340 --> 00:08:49,130 for a long time. But I read a quote and I dug it 151 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:52,500 up while we were talking this morning, and I thought it would 152 00:08:52,510 --> 00:08:56,010 be helpful just to read. And so this is from Cyril of 153 00:08:56,020 --> 00:09:00,260 Alexandria and Church father, early, Yeah, early church 154 00:09:00,270 --> 00:09:01,540 father. So he says this. 155 00:09:01,730 --> 00:09:07,240 When Jesus says you who are evil, he means you whose mind is 156 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:11,900 capable of being influenced by evil and not uniformly inclined 157 00:09:11,910 --> 00:09:19,220 to good, like the God of all. And so I think it's helpful for 158 00:09:19,230 --> 00:09:25,190 us just to take a step back and say, I really like that quote 159 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:36,050 because it touches on, um, not the general state of the person, 160 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,290 right? But we're saying is no, like you 161 00:09:39,340 --> 00:09:44,730 whose mind is influenced and capable of being influenced by 162 00:09:44,740 --> 00:09:48,720 evil, even you know how to do what is good. 163 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:53,240 And I think that's the piece that, you know, if we get so 164 00:09:53,250 --> 00:09:57,380 stuck on the you who are evil, we miss like what Jesus is doing 165 00:09:57,390 --> 00:10:01,920 with the entire like word, like experiment or thought 166 00:10:01,930 --> 00:10:07,460 experiment, which is to say, you know, so he says, what father 167 00:10:07,470 --> 00:10:11,520 among you, if a son asks for a fish, will instead give not the 168 00:10:11,530 --> 00:10:15,800 fish, but a serpent, right. So he said the the right answer 169 00:10:15,810 --> 00:10:18,100 to that. Jesus is expecting us to say, 170 00:10:18,110 --> 00:10:20,460 yeah, of course not. Yeah, I wouldn't like, would 171 00:10:20,470 --> 00:10:22,180 never do. That would not be a very good 172 00:10:22,190 --> 00:10:23,080 father. Right. 173 00:10:23,090 --> 00:10:27,320 Like and, and even like even in my worst parenting moments, like 174 00:10:27,330 --> 00:10:29,020 sure, like I'm not going to do that. 175 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:35,160 How much more? OHK, OK, yeah, how much even I 176 00:10:35,170 --> 00:10:38,460 know how to do this. So what Jesus wants us to to say 177 00:10:38,470 --> 00:10:43,230 is, yeah, OK, of course God is gonna do more than what I can 178 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,070 do. Absolutely. 179 00:10:45,140 --> 00:10:49,630 My heart is, you know, bent toward what is evil is is prone 180 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,050 to being influenced by what is not good, even just to say like 181 00:10:54,060 --> 00:10:56,500 my heart is prone to being influenced by what's selfish. 182 00:10:56,560 --> 00:10:59,480 Yes. So take away evil for a second 183 00:10:59,490 --> 00:11:03,090 and just say selfish. I can be selfish, sure. 184 00:11:03,140 --> 00:11:07,450 I can be influenced by my own thoughts and desires and wants 185 00:11:07,460 --> 00:11:11,610 and and think, Oh yeah, OK. I'm, I, I can see myself being 186 00:11:11,620 --> 00:11:15,860 selfish. Even I in my selfishness is not 187 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:19,500 going to do what is detrimental to the kid, like to my kid in 188 00:11:19,510 --> 00:11:21,990 this moment. I'm going to do what's good. 189 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,410 So what Jesus wants us saying is, oh, yeah, OK, even I know 190 00:11:26,420 --> 00:11:28,330 how to do that. Of course God knows how to do 191 00:11:28,340 --> 00:11:31,720 more because God is good by definition. 192 00:11:31,940 --> 00:11:35,840 God is good in his like totality, right? 193 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:41,870 God is not prone or bent or influenced by what is evil like 194 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,880 by what is wrong or bad. God is not malevolent. 195 00:11:45,890 --> 00:11:49,900 God is not prone to being tempted in that direction. 196 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:53,100 What a lot of the early church fathers also want to want us to 197 00:11:53,110 --> 00:11:55,900 see here and we didn't again, not not on Sunday. 198 00:11:55,910 --> 00:11:57,580 Where we going to go down this rabbit trail? 199 00:11:58,490 --> 00:12:03,860 But Jesus, at the at the beginning of his ministry and at 200 00:12:03,870 --> 00:12:07,800 the beginning of the Gospel of Luke, is himself tempted by 201 00:12:07,810 --> 00:12:10,960 Satan in the wilderness. And he's tempted. 202 00:12:11,010 --> 00:12:16,210 Interestingly, Matthew uses stone and bread, Ian Matthews 203 00:12:16,220 --> 00:12:21,390 rendition of this and Jesus is tempted to take a stone and turn 204 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:27,440 it into bread and Jesus resists that temptation. 205 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,630 So we're also supposed to be wrestling that piece out, like 206 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,430 with this comparison, to see Jesus as in his ability to 207 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:40,410 resist temptation, being shifting into this role of the 208 00:12:40,420 --> 00:12:43,590 one who is good and perfect and knows how to give good gifts and 209 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,560 knows how to give in this, in Luke's version of the gift of 210 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:48,510 the Holy Spirit. And how much more is God going 211 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:49,390 to do? Yeah. 212 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:51,930 So. So Luke wants us to see 213 00:12:51,940 --> 00:12:54,250 anything. Matthew wants us to see early 214 00:12:54,260 --> 00:13:00,010 church fathers writers want us to see that, that even those of 215 00:13:00,020 --> 00:13:03,190 us who are prone toward temptation, who are influenced 216 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:08,610 by evil, who are prone to do what is selfish, prone to act on 217 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:13,360 our own, you know, inclinations, even we know how to do this. 218 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:17,580 Jesus resists temptation. Jesus shows us in that moment 219 00:13:17,590 --> 00:13:22,520 like the heart of God, who is able to perfectly resist the 220 00:13:22,530 --> 00:13:24,100 things that we're not able to resist. 221 00:13:24,170 --> 00:13:28,250 How much more is that God going to do the good and right 222 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:32,790 generous thing for His children when even we know how to do it? 223 00:13:33,450 --> 00:13:35,350 Yeah. So like that's the piece. 224 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,410 But yeah. Why does he call us evil? 225 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,310 I honestly, I don't, I think it hits us differently than it 226 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:42,690 probably would have hit initially. 227 00:13:42,700 --> 00:13:48,090 I think this is something the, the idea that human beings are, 228 00:13:49,340 --> 00:13:51,060 uh. Intrinsically. 229 00:13:51,070 --> 00:13:52,850 Good. Inherently good. 230 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,300 Yeah, more modern is a modern concept. 231 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:56,870 Yeah. And so I think it does. 232 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,420 I think it does kind of buck at our sensibilities. 233 00:14:01,430 --> 00:14:05,990 And so it's very easy for someone to, to experience this, 234 00:14:06,220 --> 00:14:11,870 this feeling of like they feel indignant when they when they 235 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:16,640 hear that because there is this trend toward well, no, no, I'm 236 00:14:16,650 --> 00:14:19,510 mostly good with a little bit of bad, right? 237 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,310 I think that. And so that's a attention to 238 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,990 wrestle out. So that if, if that's, if that's 239 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,180 my reaction, if that's, if that's your reaction, say, OK, 240 00:14:28,190 --> 00:14:30,490 what's what's going on there? If I'm indignant when I read 241 00:14:30,500 --> 00:14:33,940 that, what, what's what's going on for me in there? 242 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:36,070 Like there's some good soul searching to do. 243 00:14:36,460 --> 00:14:40,050 And, and I and I think that's where like helpful framing when 244 00:14:40,060 --> 00:14:42,450 you talk about, you know, just even, yeah, like are you ever 245 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:44,870 selfish? Selfish can sometimes be evil. 246 00:14:46,220 --> 00:14:49,660 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I also think we like we've, 247 00:14:49,710 --> 00:14:56,000 we've kind of maybe in some ways, like mystified evil. 248 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:59,970 Like it's this mysterious thing. Yeah. 249 00:15:00,030 --> 00:15:06,770 But we've also made it really kind of Hollywood and like over 250 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:09,900 the top or. Like, like an evil villain. 251 00:15:09,910 --> 00:15:12,150 Yeah, well, I'm not that. Exactly. 252 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,990 I'm not that evil and right like it's it's, it is a term. 253 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:22,380 It's a it's a theological term in many ways used to describe 254 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:30,530 the brokenness of humanity. That is, is sort of the self 255 00:15:30,540 --> 00:15:36,330 perpetuating brokenness that is wholly other, like other than 256 00:15:36,340 --> 00:15:42,530 God and and apart from, distinct from, separated from. 257 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,000 And and so, yeah, I think, you know, even just to say like 258 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:49,690 we're in October and like you start to see Halloween 259 00:15:49,700 --> 00:15:53,010 decorations going up and, you know, you start down that rabbit 260 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:58,270 trail of like, yeah, we just, we caricaturized, maybe evil and we 261 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,820 go, well, that's not me. Like, I'm not that, but I, I, I 262 00:16:02,830 --> 00:16:07,420 think, yeah, if, if someone's wrestling it out, it's good. 263 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:09,190 Like, it's good. I'd say it's good to wrestle 264 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,020 that out and allow yourself to feel that tension and 265 00:16:14,030 --> 00:16:18,760 uncertainty in question wonder. And really, Yeah, I think it 266 00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:22,420 gives you an opportunity to really ask, why am I reacting 267 00:16:22,430 --> 00:16:23,780 this way? Yeah, right. 268 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:24,880 What is it? Yeah. 269 00:16:24,930 --> 00:16:29,200 Well, and so I think that there's two extreme reactions 270 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:33,200 that one could have is that one of very feeling of it feeling 271 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:36,360 indignant and and kind of almost self-righteous about it. 272 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:41,350 The other end could be to be sort of like some people might 273 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:48,530 have an inclination to get very sort of like wallow in, in 274 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,450 feelings of, of, you know, like, yeah, I am a, I'm a major, I am 275 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:57,470 a major screw up. I, you know, like, and I and I 276 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,650 think that the, the one tension I've always had with something 277 00:17:00,660 --> 00:17:06,550 like total depravity is this this tension of hey, I am made 278 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,810 in the image of God. I am, I contain multitudes. 279 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:15,880 I I, I am this weird mixture of good and bad. 280 00:17:15,930 --> 00:17:18,660 Yeah. And it's a challenge sometimes 281 00:17:18,670 --> 00:17:22,770 to see ourselves rightly both, both from either I am too good 282 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:26,359 or I am too evil, right. And and it, I think both of 283 00:17:26,369 --> 00:17:28,710 those things ultimately just missed the point of what Jesus 284 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,770 is trying to say. So, so it's like, hey, we all, 285 00:17:31,780 --> 00:17:33,490 we all mess up. Like the Bible is clear. 286 00:17:33,500 --> 00:17:40,710 We all, we all mess up and, and Jesus is saying, hey, even you 287 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,840 who sometimes mess up, you're gonna do the right thing in this 288 00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:46,620 scenario. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 289 00:17:46,690 --> 00:17:48,130 No, I think that's a good point, right? 290 00:17:48,140 --> 00:17:55,470 Because just like you can shrug off the, you know, Jesus saying, 291 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,860 well, you're evil. Yeah, I know that you can. 292 00:17:59,870 --> 00:18:01,560 You can equally. Yeah, you can. 293 00:18:01,610 --> 00:18:07,330 You can shrug off the flip side of it, which is, oh, but 294 00:18:07,340 --> 00:18:11,360 there's, you know, there's there's forgiveness and life on 295 00:18:11,370 --> 00:18:15,730 the other side of it, like you're not condemned in your sin 296 00:18:15,740 --> 00:18:19,220 and brokenness and to nothing. And there's growth and there's 297 00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:22,120 sanctification and there's all these things that this constant 298 00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:24,660 refining that God is doing in our lives. 299 00:18:26,110 --> 00:18:31,830 And and yet we are not yet perfect, nor will we be. 300 00:18:32,180 --> 00:18:34,810 Yeah, yeah. Not on this side of eternity. 301 00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:39,460 Hmm, great. So evil. 302 00:18:39,470 --> 00:18:41,600 We've solved it. Sure. 303 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:45,140 Yeah, yeah. No, I, I do recognize that I 304 00:18:45,150 --> 00:18:47,730 think that's, you know, each time you're confronted with 305 00:18:47,740 --> 00:18:52,200 these passages, it's going to it's, it's, it's a, you have to 306 00:18:52,210 --> 00:18:55,540 remind yourself and, and kind of go into each time because it, 307 00:18:55,550 --> 00:18:59,260 it, it guaranteed I'll read this a year from now and still kind 308 00:18:59,270 --> 00:19:01,500 of feel hit with like, whoa, that's intense. 309 00:19:01,810 --> 00:19:04,260 So. So, and we're going to get to 310 00:19:04,270 --> 00:19:07,580 it, but I think it is also important to say that the 311 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:11,940 outcome of all of these thought experiments after the prayer is 312 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:18,200 God's gift of the Holy Spirit, which is like the to use your, 313 00:19:18,210 --> 00:19:21,360 your, your word, which is a great theological term, like the 314 00:19:21,370 --> 00:19:27,250 sanctifying agent of of God. Like it. 315 00:19:27,260 --> 00:19:33,400 It is God's Holy Spirit that in Christian language dwells within 316 00:19:33,410 --> 00:19:40,240 us and forms us and shapes us more into the image of Christ. 317 00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:45,760 So the IT would what I wouldn't want someone to do just to kind 318 00:19:45,770 --> 00:19:52,020 of finish that thought is and by reading that first half 13 say, 319 00:19:52,030 --> 00:19:56,180 well, if you who are evil know how to give good gifts, alright, 320 00:19:56,190 --> 00:20:00,120 like we can get caught there. How much more will the heavenly 321 00:20:00,130 --> 00:20:02,850 Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him. 322 00:20:02,890 --> 00:20:05,660 So in a sense, what Jesus is saying. 323 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,150 Is yes, even you who are evil know how to give what is right 324 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,660 and good in these moments. How much more is God going to 325 00:20:13,670 --> 00:20:14,870 give you? The very thing that will 326 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:20,630 actually affect, cure you of your propensity toward evil. 327 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:26,880 So it's it's the solution. It's the antidote to his own 328 00:20:27,190 --> 00:20:30,460 harsh, sort of, Yeah, starting point. 329 00:20:30,510 --> 00:20:31,950 OK. So let's get into that a little 330 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,140 bit then. I feel like that's a good, good 331 00:20:34,150 --> 00:20:35,140 segue. Good job. 332 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:41,460 So, so one of the questions I had as, as I was hearing, so 333 00:20:41,470 --> 00:20:46,200 this is my question. When we're working all this 334 00:20:46,250 --> 00:20:51,710 stuff out and, and Jesus is talking about, you know, ask and 335 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:54,160 it will be given search and you will find knock and the door 336 00:20:54,170 --> 00:20:55,910 will be open for you. And you talked about that idea 337 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,830 of how it's actually like this is a constant state of being 338 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:02,410 that, that, you know, keep on asking, keep on searching, keep 339 00:21:02,420 --> 00:21:07,310 on, keep on finding, keep on knocking all like all that kind 340 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,910 of thing, right. And so that's, that's a helpful 341 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:17,790 way to frame it, But there is still a tension that exists for, 342 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,170 for the person who is working through something difficult 343 00:21:22,180 --> 00:21:24,190 there. They want, you know, they, they 344 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:28,530 want a relationship to be healed or a physical healing or 345 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,670 whatever else, right? They're they're looking for a 346 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,360 specific answer to a specific prayer. 347 00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:40,880 And there is a tension within, you know, this idea. 348 00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:43,680 OK, so at the very end he says, you know, you just said, how 349 00:21:43,690 --> 00:21:47,220 much more will the Heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to 350 00:21:47,230 --> 00:21:52,560 those who ask him, implying that the ultimate gift here is the 351 00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:58,080 whole experience, which is true. But how do you stop this from 352 00:21:58,090 --> 00:22:01,340 becoming sort of a, you know, answered prayer? 353 00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:04,400 Are the friends we made along the way kind of situation like 354 00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:07,380 like in that it just gets boiled down to, well, we just get the 355 00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:09,450 gift of the Holy Spirit and that'll make you feel better 356 00:22:09,460 --> 00:22:11,600 when you don't get what you asked for, right? 357 00:22:11,670 --> 00:22:14,520 Like there is some, there is something really, really 358 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:18,320 significant there where where you could sort of over hyper 359 00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:21,940 spiritualize and just say, well, you know, just you'll receive 360 00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:23,120 the Holy Spirit and that'll be enough. 361 00:22:23,780 --> 00:22:27,340 Yeah. So I don't want to dismiss the 362 00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:30,320 fact that, yeah, it might be you receive the Holy Spirit and that 363 00:22:30,330 --> 00:22:34,080 is enough. 100% and I've, and I've been there where like, you 364 00:22:34,090 --> 00:22:37,820 know, you're in a, you're in a hard situation and you just 365 00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:42,310 received this overwhelming sense of, of peace and, and clarity 366 00:22:42,350 --> 00:22:45,040 and you're like, this is a gift from, from the God, from, from 367 00:22:45,050 --> 00:22:47,240 God, from the Holy Spirit. Yeah, absolutely. 368 00:22:47,410 --> 00:22:57,210 And and so This is why I I love the line from Nicky Gumbel, 369 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,630 who's quoting someone, right? And I think we were John Wimber. 370 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:02,820 Thank you. You were trying to find that out 371 00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:05,150 this week, right? We're all we're talking about it 372 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,630 and trying to find the actual thing. 373 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:15,160 But his line is, and I think the line from John Wimber is also 374 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:21,020 raises questions, but that his line is, you know, when we we 375 00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:25,000 when we don't pray for anybody's healing, nobody was healed. 376 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:27,240 When we didn't pray for their healing, nobody was healed. 377 00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:30,930 But when we did pray, some were healed. 378 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,010 Not all, but some. Hmm. 379 00:23:34,100 --> 00:23:41,850 And so that's like, I think that's the hard, maybe the 380 00:23:41,860 --> 00:23:48,030 hardest thing in prayer to really wrestle out is the fact 381 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:55,090 that sometimes we pray and people are healed and sometimes 382 00:23:55,100 --> 00:24:00,620 we pray and they're not healed. But I, I love the outcome. 383 00:24:01,140 --> 00:24:04,290 So he says. So we're going to pray, Yeah. 384 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:07,330 So we're going to do the thing. We're going to commit to it 385 00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:14,890 because sometimes it happens. And I think that in those 386 00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:21,190 sometime moments when God does heal, it's by the power of the 387 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,610 Holy Spirit. So I, I think that's maybe in 388 00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:25,990 part what guards against this. Yeah. 389 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,230 Like, how do you just hyper? Like, how do you avoid hyper 390 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,010 spiritualizing? Wow. 391 00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:30,940 It's just the Holy Spirit. Well, it's not just the Spirit 392 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:33,010 because it's the Holy Spirit who's going to do the healing. 393 00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:34,730 Yeah. It's the Holy Spirit is going to 394 00:24:34,740 --> 00:24:36,050 do the restoring of the relationship. 395 00:24:36,060 --> 00:24:37,850 It's the Holy Spirit is going to do the work inside of you. 396 00:24:37,860 --> 00:24:40,980 So the Holy Spirit is going to cure the illness. 397 00:24:40,990 --> 00:24:45,630 It's like it is by the power of the Holy Spirit that those 398 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,490 things will happen. So I think that, you know, when 399 00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:53,330 we read this, like, how much more will the Heavenly Father 400 00:24:53,340 --> 00:24:55,770 give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him? 401 00:24:55,810 --> 00:25:03,320 It's not in this safe, easy, simple, you know, Jesus is just 402 00:25:03,330 --> 00:25:07,550 my kind of best friend when I need him. 403 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,570 Make you know happy, whatever it like. 404 00:25:11,580 --> 00:25:15,150 This is a powerful promise. This is So what what Luke is 405 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,310 moving us toward is this is the same spirit that raised Jesus 406 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,080 from the dead. So when Jesus dies and is put in 407 00:25:24,090 --> 00:25:28,840 the ground and the stone is rolled in front, and his 408 00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:32,340 followers go away sad and confused and angry and, you 409 00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:33,820 know, not sure what's happening next. 410 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:38,700 Like the power that raises Jesus from the dead is the power of 411 00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:42,240 the Holy Spirit. And that's the power that Jesus 412 00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:46,710 promises God, who is generous will give to those who ask. 413 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:53,770 So that Holy Spirit, it's not going to feel like it might not 414 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:58,670 feel it might not feel good in the moment like it might. 415 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,850 It is probably going to lead to some conviction. 416 00:26:00,890 --> 00:26:03,290 It's probably going to lead to some difficult conversations, 417 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,290 right? Like it's it's not just like God 418 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:08,470 isn't Jesus. I don't think is is not just 419 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,280 promising. Well, if you ask, then you'll 420 00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:13,650 have this like warm, fuzzy, happy experience of the Holy 421 00:26:13,660 --> 00:26:17,800 Spirit. When the Holy Spirit descends on 422 00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:21,300 the 1st disciples, they're terrified, yes. 423 00:26:21,310 --> 00:26:27,120 Like there's fear involved and then very real practical things 424 00:26:27,130 --> 00:26:31,740 start happening. And so I think, again, that 425 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:38,030 doesn't resolve the tension of sometimes your prayers are 426 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,910 answered in the way that you ask for them to be answered, and 427 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,950 sometimes they're not. And what's true about both of 428 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,570 those scenarios is God gives the presence of the Holy Spirit, God 429 00:26:48,580 --> 00:26:53,630 gives us followers, Holy Spirit. And sometimes that is going to 430 00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,980 be in powerful fear driving inspiring moments of very 431 00:27:00,990 --> 00:27:06,000 physical real healings or very real practically answered 432 00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:09,320 prayers. And, and sometimes it's going to 433 00:27:09,330 --> 00:27:14,720 be in ways that we can't expect or don't expect or can't imagine 434 00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:21,040 when we're asking the thing, you know, neither are less like, 435 00:27:21,050 --> 00:27:22,660 right? One is not less powerful. 436 00:27:22,730 --> 00:27:25,610 Yeah. 1 is not less an experience of the Holy Spirit. 437 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:31,270 Um, but it doesn't necessarily make it easier. 438 00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:35,570 Now I will say the thing that we didn't get into is why God might 439 00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:38,800 not answer some of our prayers. Right. 440 00:27:38,810 --> 00:27:41,020 Do you want to get into that? So yeah, I, like, I think it 441 00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:44,080 might be helpful just to say, like, God's not gonna answer 442 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:47,630 prayers that go against his will, and God isn't going to 443 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240 answer prayers that are inherently wrong. 444 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:55,100 Like, bad for you. And so I think some of the 445 00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:58,950 tension that I need to wrestle out in my own life is, you know, 446 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:02,270 if I'm asking for God to do something out of a selfish 447 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,440 desire, selfish ambition, like that is probably not going to be 448 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:07,730 answered. In fact, I would say that prayer 449 00:28:07,740 --> 00:28:09,550 ought not be answered. Like I don't think that is gonna 450 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,660 be answered in the way it is because. 451 00:28:10,670 --> 00:28:13,140 It's just gonna reinforce that selfishness. 452 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:16,130 More exactly, absolutely, absolutely. 453 00:28:16,170 --> 00:28:18,490 So I remember like the very worst prayer that I prayed as a 454 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:25,050 kid and I remember this like so clearly was I, I was going over 455 00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:27,910 like we were going over to my cousin's house and like we were 456 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,300 both really into yoyos at the time. 457 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:33,290 And so he's like, don't forget your yo-yo, whatever you do, 458 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:35,810 don't forget your yoyo because we'll spend the whole time 459 00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:38,070 yoyoing. And what did I do? 460 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,990 I forgot, I forgot the yoyo. And so I remember praying like 461 00:28:42,180 --> 00:28:47,450 this, like this child's brain of mine was like, I'm going to ask 462 00:28:47,460 --> 00:28:49,520 God for a yoyo so that I don't look like an idiot. 463 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,410 And as I was so upset with myself, right? 464 00:28:53,540 --> 00:28:54,890 It's like, how could I forget this thing? 465 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:58,980 Well, that's not a surprise because I remember it's like 466 00:28:58,990 --> 00:29:01,540 God, if you make this yoyo appear in my hand like I 467 00:29:01,550 --> 00:29:05,860 remember was called, it's got like a fireball yoyo and like 468 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,310 God's not gonna answer that prayer 10 times out of 10 469 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,830 because that's a selfish prayer. It's also a stupid prayer, but 470 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,670 like it is, it is what I what I want people to see is not the 471 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,100 simplicity like child. What I want people is like 472 00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:20,610 that's a selfish prayer. That's so that I don't look 473 00:29:20,660 --> 00:29:23,210 stupid. That's so that for me is not 474 00:29:23,220 --> 00:29:24,690 that is not going to help anybody. 475 00:29:24,780 --> 00:29:26,670 That's not like a your Kingdom come God. 476 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,650 Like, you know, I'm a yoyo missionary to a culture and 477 00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:34,200 community that knows all, like who invented the yoyo and I need 478 00:29:34,210 --> 00:29:37,340 to learn how to speak language, which might be a little bit 479 00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:42,960 closer to maybe being answered, but it's a it's a selfish. 480 00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:45,560 So we still like I. We still pray selfish prayers. 481 00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:47,700 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that are that like yo-yo 482 00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:52,900 prayer of like God, would you do this so that I experience or 483 00:29:52,910 --> 00:29:57,270 look like or don't look like or am something and I go like 484 00:29:57,340 --> 00:29:59,740 that's a selfish prayer. That's if it's only gonna 485 00:29:59,750 --> 00:30:02,910 benefit me. There are pairs that do benefit 486 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,740 me, but that's a selfish prayer. And I think that God's not going 487 00:30:06,750 --> 00:30:11,640 to answer those kinds of prayers because it is not it's, it's not 488 00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:15,100 for your good, it's not for your benefit, it's not for your 489 00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:17,040 formation. It is not going to draw that. 490 00:30:17,050 --> 00:30:20,100 In no way is that thing going to draw me closer to God. 491 00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:26,250 And there's like some interesting in between prayers 492 00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:28,470 that are like this tension. I remember like in, in high 493 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,040 school, it was like if I was relatively prepared for like an 494 00:30:33,050 --> 00:30:36,120 exam, but maybe not as prepared as I could or should have been. 495 00:30:36,170 --> 00:30:37,640 Yeah. And it's like you're, you know, 496 00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:39,620 I remember like on the way to the exam, I'm praying, I'm 497 00:30:39,630 --> 00:30:43,060 praying for God to like supernaturally impart all the 498 00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:46,300 things that fill the gaps that I knowledge gaps that I'm not 499 00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:47,940 going to have for this exam and all the things. 500 00:30:47,950 --> 00:30:49,820 Right. And there's like something we're 501 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,530 like, I've done a little bit of the work, maybe not all the work 502 00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:55,080 I should have done. And, and I'm like, OK, God, can 503 00:30:55,090 --> 00:30:57,340 you, can you step in here a little bit, please? 504 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:59,960 Give me clear like, and I think that there's like something 505 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:01,820 about that that's like, God, would you give me clarity of 506 00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:02,960 thought? Would you? 507 00:31:02,970 --> 00:31:05,820 Would you call my nerves so that I can remember all the things 508 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:07,160 that I can remember? Right? 509 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:10,220 Like there's, there's good in that, but also some stuff that's 510 00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:12,890 like, well. Yeah. 511 00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:15,170 So here's here's what I don't want people to hear. 512 00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:18,480 I am not saying don't pray selfish prayers. 513 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,610 Right. Like, I'm not saying like that 514 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:26,050 kid, however old I was, I don't have, I don't remember how old I 515 00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:27,940 was. But I'm not saying I'm not 516 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,910 saying to that, you know, 8 year old Grant. 517 00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:32,520 Don't, don't. Yeah. 518 00:31:32,530 --> 00:31:33,980 Don't pray that prayer. You're evil. 519 00:31:35,660 --> 00:31:38,750 But in that prayer like that, there's a reason why it's stuck 520 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,650 out to me. And there's a reason why like 521 00:31:40,660 --> 00:31:44,810 I've I've prayed I don't know how many prayers since then and 522 00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:47,610 I remember many of them and I don't remember probably most of 523 00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:51,270 them. But I actually really like that 524 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:57,950 prayer because in like 8 year old grants brain, it was the 525 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,470 right thing to turn to God and I had to wrestle that out. 526 00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:04,320 Now that prayer was answered and it's a good thing that prayer 527 00:32:04,330 --> 00:32:06,510 was answered and it's the right thing that prayer was an answer 528 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,850 because that's what happened. I believe that much about God 529 00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:14,290 like that. This is like that's true, But I 530 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:15,950 actually don't regret praying that prayer. 531 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,090 Yeah, because I think that it is You're you are being shaped, 532 00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:23,110 right? You you become shaped and formed 533 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,630 by the prayers that you pray and by the way that you allow God to 534 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,300 answer them or not answer them in God's will and wisdom. 535 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:32,990 And how you wrestle that out becomes more of who you are, 536 00:32:33,060 --> 00:32:34,760 right. So, you know, 8 year old Grant 537 00:32:34,770 --> 00:32:36,870 had to wrestle out the disappointment then like, well, 538 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,690 God didn't do this. What does that say? 539 00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:43,100 What do I need to learn in that? And like, that's just such a 540 00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:46,380 silly example. But you know, this is I think 541 00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:49,020 what I'm not what I'm not what I don't want people to hear is 542 00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:51,480 don't pray the selfish person like, well, Pastor Grant told me 543 00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:54,560 to not pray selfish. No, pray the prayer David prayed 544 00:32:54,670 --> 00:32:59,940 some like bold and audacious and at times like selfish prayers, 545 00:33:00,270 --> 00:33:04,490 and they got recorded in the Bible, right? 546 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:08,430 So, you know, if you feel guilty or wrestle with your own 547 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,950 prayers, but God can't handle this, go read the Psalms. 548 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,850 Yeah, if you're like, oh God, like God can't handle this like 549 00:33:14,900 --> 00:33:17,770 evil or or wrong thought that I'm wrestling out. 550 00:33:17,850 --> 00:33:20,910 Absolutely God can. And prayer is the best place for 551 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,290 you to wrestle that out and to name it and to be confronted 552 00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:29,720 with with by God in it and to allow God to forgive and shape 553 00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:36,500 and form and like carve out and like David was called and I'm 554 00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:38,160 getting preaching now, so I'll stop in a second. 555 00:33:38,170 --> 00:33:41,440 David was called a man after God's own heart and he was a 556 00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:44,560 murderer. He was probably, depending on 557 00:33:44,570 --> 00:33:50,200 how you read it, a rapist. And he and his prayers were 558 00:33:50,210 --> 00:33:54,210 recorded in the Bible, all of it on display. 559 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,730 Yeah. And what prayer does for David 560 00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:05,280 is convict and confront him in his own sin and brokenness in in 561 00:34:05,290 --> 00:34:11,290 like the awfulness of it. And in many of his prayers, you 562 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:17,350 see that happen, like here's all of like all of his prayers to to 563 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,250 basically destroy his enemies, which then turn into yet God, 564 00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:26,840 you're gracious with me. Yet when I'm in it, like when 565 00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:30,600 I'm the enemy, Hmm. And you see David begin to be 566 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:35,570 formed and shaped as he praised these things out so. 567 00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:39,489 That's good. Speak all of the prayers to God, 568 00:34:39,540 --> 00:34:44,139 just don't be surprised when the yoyo doesn't appear and and 569 00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:45,870 allow God to teach you in that moment. 570 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,330 So God's going to say no when it goes against his will or when it 571 00:34:50,340 --> 00:34:55,080 is inherently wrong, when it is from those broken places. 572 00:34:55,429 --> 00:34:59,300 That doesn't mean that they're bad prayers, It just means that 573 00:34:59,310 --> 00:35:04,520 the answer is no. Any prayer before God is good 574 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:07,080 and necessary. So God's going to say no. 575 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,070 God is also going to say yes, right? 576 00:35:10,140 --> 00:35:12,730 And God's, we know God's gonna say yes when it is in line with 577 00:35:12,740 --> 00:35:16,870 his will, when it is for your good, when is for others good. 578 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:20,070 I think especially when it is for the good of others. 579 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:25,590 As you're praying, God is also going to going to leave us in 580 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,140 this, to use an antiquated Catholic term, limbo weighting. 581 00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:32,620 Or is that a Catholic? Term, yes. 582 00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,860 OK, yeah, yeah. Like Limbo, Yeah. 583 00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:39,200 Limbo was part of part of the Catholic. 584 00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:41,760 Yeah, yeah, it was not, but it wasn't quite purgatory. 585 00:35:41,770 --> 00:35:43,900 It was awaiting. It was like a not sure. 586 00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:47,620 Anyways, I don't remember which Pope closed Limbo, but there was 587 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:50,960 a declaration anyways. Rabbit trail, however, yeah. 588 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:55,160 So this Limbo, this waiting, this uncertain this. 589 00:35:55,850 --> 00:36:00,830 Yeah, in between of yes and no where we're going to have to 590 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,280 wait. And you know, that's actually 591 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:07,740 probably the hardest, you know, I think realistically, like for 592 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:14,420 many, most people, the maybe not yet keep on asking, that's the 593 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:18,840 hardest prep. And so the the unresolved 594 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:23,540 prayers are often the hardest. The thing that I would encourage 595 00:36:23,550 --> 00:36:29,800 people to do in the in limbo is to write down their prayers 596 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:37,460 because I think that often what happens is we we pray a prayer. 597 00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:43,580 We don't, from our perspective, get an answer. 598 00:36:43,650 --> 00:36:45,820 It's not yes, not no. It's not clear, it's not 599 00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:48,120 resolved. The thing isn't done. 600 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,320 The thing isn't healed. The person's not saved. 601 00:36:51,370 --> 00:36:54,550 You know, think about like the faithful parent or grandparent 602 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,990 who's praying for their kid. I would encourage everybody to 603 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,570 everybody to write their prayers down. 604 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,990 I'm preaching to the choir because I need to do this more 605 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,070 because I think overtime, what writing them down allows you to 606 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,520 do is wrestle out that waiting period and rest out the emotions 607 00:37:14,530 --> 00:37:19,440 that you feel in the waiting. And it also allows you to see 608 00:37:19,740 --> 00:37:23,750 the ways in which God answers your prayers over a much longer 609 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,000 period of time than like I'm going to commit a week, I'm 610 00:37:27,010 --> 00:37:30,470 going to pray and I'm going to fast for one week or for three 611 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,410 days or for a day, like a day. And you know, it's like the 612 00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:39,030 flash in the pan. That's, you know, what do you do 613 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,330 when you're 3 months out and you've been praying the same 614 00:37:41,340 --> 00:37:43,710 prayer three years out, you've been praying the same prayer and 615 00:37:43,980 --> 00:37:46,700 it allows you to wrestle out what God is changing in you as 616 00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:48,730 you pray the prayer. You see, like even the request 617 00:37:48,740 --> 00:37:51,610 as she has changed over those three years. 618 00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:55,410 Maybe the answer is still you're still waiting, but your prayers 619 00:37:55,420 --> 00:37:59,350 look a lot different over those. So I think writing down your 620 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,370 prayers is is so important and I need to do it. 621 00:38:02,380 --> 00:38:06,370 More and our, our brains can only remember so much as well, 622 00:38:06,380 --> 00:38:08,530 right. And so like when we're able to 623 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,040 look back and sort of be like, Oh, I, I forgot, I forgot that 624 00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:16,550 that's how I was what I was praying for and how I was 625 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,510 praying for that, I can see the natural evolution of how how 626 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,690 it's changed over over the past number of weeks or months or 627 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:24,650 years or whatever. Right. 628 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:27,100 So that's cool. Yeah. 629 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,530 Yep. Follow up question really 630 00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,310 quickly, Yeah. Could you, were you able to do 631 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,150 some cool yoyo tricks? No, maybe not. 632 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,510 Walk a dog. I could do that. 633 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,820 You know, the pendulum could. You do that? 634 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:43,790 Yeah. Like that? 635 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,250 Yeah, I could do that. Not much else. 636 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:51,610 I don't think it was a very, it was a very short phase. 637 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,770 Yeah, that might have done away with it. 638 00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:55,350 Maybe that was the answer to prayer. 639 00:38:56,020 --> 00:39:02,220 Don't be obsessed with YOS. So I never was again now. 640 00:39:02,570 --> 00:39:05,920 I have this, this is not a long story, I promise really quick. 641 00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:07,960 I was walking down the street one time and I had a yoyo in my 642 00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:09,780 hand and I was like, just like, you know, whatever. 643 00:39:09,830 --> 00:39:12,810 And some some like person just yelled at me out of their 644 00:39:12,820 --> 00:39:15,750 vehicle like some young adult as I was like probably 8 years old, 645 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,010 same kind of thing. And they're like yo-yo suck. 646 00:39:18,690 --> 00:39:24,540 And here I am 30 plus years later, like just still shattered 647 00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:29,200 by that individual who decided to yell at me from their vehicle 648 00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:31,600 as I was walking down the street just minding my own business. 649 00:39:31,650 --> 00:39:33,860 Maybe he prayed for a yoyo that never showed up. 650 00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:38,680 Yeah. Alright, 111 final sort of area 651 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:41,880 to go with this sermon before we get too off track here. 652 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:48,100 So let's talk a little bit about the prayer itself and and the 653 00:39:48,110 --> 00:39:50,760 Lord's Prayer. This is a truncated version of 654 00:39:50,770 --> 00:39:56,260 the Lord's Prayer. That's, you know, I want to talk 655 00:39:56,270 --> 00:40:01,000 a little bit about Jesus language and what makes this 656 00:40:01,010 --> 00:40:03,080 because there are a lot of Jewish prayers that would have 657 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,070 similar language. What do you think it is about 658 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:14,250 this prayer in particular that makes it unique to to Jesus? 659 00:40:14,260 --> 00:40:17,390 And perhaps, you know, Jesus is disciples as they were, you 660 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:22,310 know, asking for a prayer that was perhaps more unique to to 661 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,010 them as Jesus, his disciples compares to John's disciples, 662 00:40:25,020 --> 00:40:27,110 right. So what is in this prayer that 663 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:32,100 makes it a little bit different? Yeah, so for starters, I'm not 664 00:40:32,110 --> 00:40:35,650 an expert on Jewish prayer, which probably won't surprise 665 00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:37,380 anybody listening to this podcast. 666 00:40:37,390 --> 00:40:40,420 If you know us, if for some reason you don't know who we 667 00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:42,100 are, awesome to have you listening. 668 00:40:43,570 --> 00:40:46,370 But not a Jewish prayer expert disclaimer. 669 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,070 So you know there's mixed. From my understanding, there's 670 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,660 mixed review on exactly how much of this prayer would have been 671 00:40:56,670 --> 00:40:59,280 familiar to the disciples already. 672 00:40:59,450 --> 00:41:03,640 It's a prayer that wouldn't have been entirely unfamiliar. 673 00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:08,720 And so I think that's like, this is not entirely 100% word for 674 00:41:08,730 --> 00:41:11,710 word. Absolutely brand new words 675 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:14,540 spoken by Jesus that they've never heard before, like the 676 00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:18,500 form, the flow. What is being prayed for is a 677 00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:22,140 very Jewish prayer to pray for God's will, for God's Kingdom. 678 00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:26,590 Like these things are not four and the one of the things that 679 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,320 sets it apart. And I've heard various people 680 00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:35,850 use these two words. What what Jesus does that is 681 00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:38,990 kind of to use air quotes and I'm using air quotes here like 682 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:48,590 scandalous in this is it is a prayer that has both familiarity 683 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:56,320 and formality to it. O Jewish prayers were steeped in 684 00:41:56,330 --> 00:42:01,740 formality and reverence, and a good example of that is that 685 00:42:01,750 --> 00:42:05,320 many of the Jewish prayers that were prayed began with the word 686 00:42:05,330 --> 00:42:14,040 Adonai, which is what we would typically in English say or, or 687 00:42:14,050 --> 00:42:19,020 begin with as Lord. So it is a title of reverence. 688 00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:24,300 It is in some ways it's doing what Jesus says hallowed be your 689 00:42:24,310 --> 00:42:25,700 name. It's hallowing the name of God. 690 00:42:25,710 --> 00:42:29,510 It's it's it's making it wholly. It's enforcing its wholly, it's 691 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,420 putting God in God's right place and it's more important it's 692 00:42:32,430 --> 00:42:36,060 putting yourself in in your own right place and apart from 693 00:42:36,070 --> 00:42:38,880 distinct from God in His Holiness and me and my 694 00:42:38,890 --> 00:42:43,000 unholiness. So add and I, but that's a form 695 00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:47,660 of reverence. It's formal and it starts off 696 00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:51,650 the prayer in a very formal way. Many of the prayers were prayed 697 00:42:52,820 --> 00:42:59,190 with that at and I Lord as the opening word, Jesus starts with 698 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,330 ABBA, which was a term of familiarity for Father. 699 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,830 So it's not a formal term. It's not one of reverence. 700 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,890 It is not one. It's it is one. 701 00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:16,670 Rather, it is a very intimate term, and we've taken that and 702 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:22,510 run completely off the Cliff with it just so far to unhelpful 703 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,290 ways. So it was scandalous in the way 704 00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:29,230 Jesus prayed is that Jesus prayed with formality and 705 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,510 familiarity, and he challenges his disciples to pray with that 706 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,230 same formality. Still, he's saying, don't 707 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:42,200 abandon it. Instead, pray like the kid who 708 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,580 jumps up knowing that they're loved. 709 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:48,230 Like pray like the grandkid or the niece or the nephew who 710 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:53,010 knows that they can interrupt their their parent and from that 711 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:56,260 place of love approached them doesn't change the parent child 712 00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:58,390 relationship at all. Like it the parent is still the 713 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,990 parent. Yeah, the child is still the 714 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,730 child, the niece, the nephew, the grandkid, like nothing is, 715 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,550 nothing's flipped in their relationship. 716 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,430 They just know beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're safe to 717 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,770 approach this person. Jesus wants you to approach God 718 00:44:13,780 --> 00:44:16,590 knowing that you're loved and you're safe and you're wanted. 719 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,790 And it's like this, hey, you are so important to God that you can 720 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:26,530 go and interrupt in order to like God cares about you to the 721 00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:33,370 level of interrupt. And so Jesus disciples, I think, 722 00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,540 saw that in the way that Jesus prayed. 723 00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:42,830 They saw the familiarity that he approached God with, and that 724 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040 would have been very different than many of the prayers that 725 00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:50,160 they'd be familiar with. And yet Jesus doesn't abandon 726 00:44:50,170 --> 00:44:54,480 the the formality piece. So he holds attention there. 727 00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:58,620 That was, I think, in many ways scandalous to the disciples. 728 00:44:58,630 --> 00:45:05,140 And so in some way, what I want us to hear is, yes, pray with 729 00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:08,310 familiarity to God. It's this ABBA Father. 730 00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:12,360 Interrupt. Know that you're loved. 731 00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:15,100 Approach God boldly, audaciously. 732 00:45:15,370 --> 00:45:19,440 Show up. Know that you're wanted, but I 733 00:45:19,450 --> 00:45:22,660 think in many ways we've lost the formality of it. 734 00:45:23,090 --> 00:45:27,740 Yeah, we could we could stand to reclaim a little bit of the the 735 00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:30,640 reverence because there is this, there is this, you know, I have 736 00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:34,820 these pictures of, you know, pictures in my mind of, you 737 00:45:34,830 --> 00:45:40,040 know, Moses standing before holy ground and these other 738 00:45:40,050 --> 00:45:44,720 significant moments where like you see the the awe and wonder 739 00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:47,280 of God and we can't lose sight of that. 740 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:52,250 And, and it's this, it's this tension of the, the intimate 741 00:45:52,640 --> 00:46:00,070 and, and God's transcendence and God's holiness that that's a, 742 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:04,820 that's a tightrope walk that I think we should wrestle with 743 00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:09,990 rather than just leaning on one side or the other all the time, 744 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,370 Right. And, and I do think that there 745 00:46:11,380 --> 00:46:15,010 are times when I, you know, one of the running jokes in kind of 746 00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:18,270 modern evangelicalism is like people that are like praying 747 00:46:18,340 --> 00:46:21,420 like daddy God. Probably don't do that. 748 00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:23,090 I, I don't, yeah, I don't love it. 749 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,990 I don't, I don't love it. You know, it's, you know, like, 750 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,190 yeah, it's attention. I recognize, but I think 751 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,230 sometimes, yeah, we sway a little too far. 752 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:37,490 Yeah, yeah. So I think one of the best ways 753 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:45,050 to intentionally live in the tension is to to mix your prayer 754 00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:50,590 life up between reading written prayers that you did not write 755 00:46:51,260 --> 00:46:56,420 and just praying in. So it's more of like a free 756 00:46:56,430 --> 00:47:04,060 flowing thought ritual or pabat or discipline, but in your in 757 00:47:04,070 --> 00:47:06,820 your own prayers. I'm not saying like every single 758 00:47:06,830 --> 00:47:08,820 time you have to have some of your own words and some of 759 00:47:08,830 --> 00:47:14,890 somebody else's words are like, but I'm saying it's helpful to, 760 00:47:15,780 --> 00:47:19,220 I think keep some of the formality even just to pray the 761 00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:21,300 Lord's Prayer. Hmm. 762 00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:25,710 And from that, pray your own prayers. 763 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,210 So if I were to like prescribe a like a pattern for people to 764 00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:32,650 pray, if they're like, I don't even know, I'm not sure where to 765 00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:35,760 start. I would say, and Christians do 766 00:47:35,770 --> 00:47:37,910 this, we always end with the Lord's Prayer in church. 767 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,500 You know, very often, right, like historically, there'll be 768 00:47:40,510 --> 00:47:45,130 like the pastor will pray this big long prayer using words that 769 00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:48,190 none of us understand, myself included. 770 00:47:48,660 --> 00:47:53,350 And then it's like, and now we pray the Lord's Prayer and I go, 771 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,990 let's flip that. We start, start with the Lord's 772 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,250 Prayer. Allow this prayer to shape all 773 00:47:58,260 --> 00:48:00,050 of your thoughts and your prayers. 774 00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:05,340 So I would say pray the Lord's Prayer and then sit in silence. 775 00:48:05,610 --> 00:48:08,120 And you might only be able to do it for 10 seconds or 30 seconds 776 00:48:08,130 --> 00:48:10,620 or a minute. You're you're gonna see it grow 777 00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:12,860 as the more you know, the more you do it. 778 00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:16,580 But I would say pray the Lord's Prayer slowly and then sit in 779 00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:18,880 silence for at least that long again. 780 00:48:19,890 --> 00:48:21,680 And that's just a simple way to do it. 781 00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:25,040 And then begin to pray your own prayers. 782 00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:28,540 Speak your own words. There is something about like, 783 00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:32,380 you know, using, you know, and there's other, lots of other 784 00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:37,540 prayer resources out there, you know, that are that go beyond 785 00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:40,100 just the Lord's Prayer. But this this balance between 786 00:48:40,110 --> 00:48:43,320 like, Hey, sometimes there are people that, that have written 787 00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:46,180 out prayers that are going to give language that we have never 788 00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:48,720 thought through before, right? That is been like, Oh my gosh, 789 00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:50,480 I've never, I've never thought that way, right. 790 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:54,080 Like that is so helpful in my prayer life. 791 00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:58,320 And that can feed into our like extemporaneous praying, you 792 00:48:58,330 --> 00:49:01,350 know, like that there is this, you know, you might be reading 793 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,740 through like something even like the Book of Common Prayer or 794 00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:06,610 something like that. And like I'm the man that is 795 00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:09,320 that is now feeding into the way that I am. 796 00:49:09,330 --> 00:49:11,500 I am praying those more personal prayers. 797 00:49:11,570 --> 00:49:14,340 Yeah. So Lectio 365 is also a great 798 00:49:14,350 --> 00:49:16,890 way to enter into that, right? Yeah, absolutely. 799 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,690 And then there's a whole lot of other prayer books that that I 800 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:25,130 could recommend another podcast. But that feels like a great 801 00:49:25,140 --> 00:49:29,710 place to to close out hopefully some things to to wrestle out, 802 00:49:29,790 --> 00:49:34,350 to chew on to, you know, to consider when we think about how 803 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:41,270 we pray the the theology of prayer and and even just like 804 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,860 with that word evil, noticing our reactions to Scripture and 805 00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:48,830 kind of like naming them and just teasing that out for our 806 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:49,710 own lives. Yeah. 807 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,750 And and wrestling it out in prayer. 808 00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:57,290 Yes, absolutely right. So, so we hope this has been 809 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,450 helpful and we hope this will lead to more conversations 810 00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:05,780 between you and God and also others as well, whether it's 811 00:50:05,790 --> 00:50:07,910 friends or family or people from the church here. 812 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,710 So I will catch you next time and have a great week.