1 00:00:00,390 --> 00:00:03,170 Hey friends, welcome to another episode of the podcast. 2 00:00:03,180 --> 00:00:06,000 Today we're jumping in on a conversation wrapping up Luke 3 00:00:06,010 --> 00:00:08,890 Chapter 7, which I think is going to hopefully be 4 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:11,900 encouraging to you to continue having your conversations 5 00:00:12,090 --> 00:00:15,070 throughout this week, be it around a dinner table or in a 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,220 car with a small group. We really hope that these these 7 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:21,940 conversations land you in greater community. 8 00:00:22,050 --> 00:00:25,160 So realize that like you're probably listening by yourself, 9 00:00:25,570 --> 00:00:28,160 but our heart, our hope is that it would push you toward 10 00:00:28,630 --> 00:00:32,020 conversation with others. So praying that it would. 11 00:00:32,530 --> 00:00:34,320 Today I've got Chris McLeod with me. 12 00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:36,240 Chris, thanks for joining. My pleasure. 13 00:00:36,590 --> 00:00:40,580 Chris is going to be asking some questions based on the text and 14 00:00:40,590 --> 00:00:45,140 sermon from Sunday. Chris is our director of Youth 15 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:49,360 ministry and I always get those titles like slightly wrong when 16 00:00:49,370 --> 00:00:52,160 I say them and I did with Elena as well last week. 17 00:00:52,790 --> 00:00:59,160 So all things youth, all of the weekly and yearly youth 18 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:03,010 ministry, Chris is in charge of and does a great job with with 19 00:01:03,020 --> 00:01:05,190 our teens. So thanks for jumping out of 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,330 that for a minute and and into this and you've got some 21 00:01:09,340 --> 00:01:13,330 questions for us. So yeah, Luke 7 if you want 22 00:01:13,340 --> 00:01:19,350 pause, reread it, pull it up on your phone or yeah, open a Bible 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,970 if you need a recap. But the end of Luke 7, verse 36 24 00:01:23,980 --> 00:01:28,940 through to 50, verse 50 is the story about Jesus being anointed 25 00:01:28,950 --> 00:01:32,120 by in what most Bibles call a sinful woman. 26 00:01:33,090 --> 00:01:38,260 And it's, it's this intriguing interaction between Jesus, this 27 00:01:38,270 --> 00:01:42,820 woman and a Pharisee named Simon whose house they're all at. 28 00:01:43,030 --> 00:01:45,210 So we're going to get into some of that with with these 29 00:01:45,220 --> 00:01:49,220 questions, but why don't we jump in and get going? 30 00:01:49,330 --> 00:01:53,960 Awesome, Yeah. So first question, why do you 31 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:58,880 think the woman's act of loves her radical hospitality towards 32 00:01:58,890 --> 00:02:02,480 Jesus? Why was that so powerful to him, 33 00:02:02,550 --> 00:02:06,050 especially when we compare that to Symons's reserved 34 00:02:06,060 --> 00:02:09,699 hospitality? Yeah. 35 00:02:09,710 --> 00:02:18,910 So I, I think for two reasons. The first is like practical, the 36 00:02:19,290 --> 00:02:24,100 we talked a little bit about this on Sunday, which is that 37 00:02:24,110 --> 00:02:30,300 the lady who comes and offers this radical hospitality to 38 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:37,120 Jesus is actually taking on the role of host that should have 39 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:39,240 fell to Simon. So I think the first reason why 40 00:02:39,250 --> 00:02:41,760 it is like why we call it radical hospitality, The first 41 00:02:41,770 --> 00:02:44,360 reason why it is so significant to Jesus. 42 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,030 I think Jesus actually explains later on in in the text, right? 43 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,970 So later on he says to Simon, you know, I came into your home 44 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:55,830 and you didn't offer me water for my feet. 45 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,550 You didn't greet me with a kiss. You didn't offer to anoint my 46 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,750 head with oil. Those are the three main 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,950 responsibilities of a host in Jesus day. 48 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,850 So in any situation, if you are the host, if people are to your 49 00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:15,070 house, if you've invited them, if you're hosting a meal, if you 50 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:19,150 have people, you were expected to be the one to offer those 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,720 three things. As the host, it was like your 52 00:03:21,790 --> 00:03:23,430 duty, it was your responsibility. 53 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:28,610 And so I think Jesus arrives, We don't know this from the 54 00:03:28,620 --> 00:03:31,670 beginning, but we find it out later in Jesus's own words that 55 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:36,570 Simon didn't do those things, which would have been like a 56 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:41,950 social misstep for him as religious leader, as a Pharisee, 57 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,270 as a person, one who's hosting Jesus. 58 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,590 Whether or not he, he offered those things to the other 59 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,230 guests, like we don't know. We find out later like that 60 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,480 there are these other guests there and you know, they, they 61 00:03:55,490 --> 00:03:57,700 don't really factor into the story other than we're told 62 00:03:57,710 --> 00:04:00,620 they're there. So whether they received all of 63 00:04:00,630 --> 00:04:04,270 those things from Simon as host and then he didn't offer that 64 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,910 specifically to Jesus, we can't say. 65 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:11,170 Or whether Symon is just not a great, you know, quote, great 66 00:04:11,180 --> 00:04:14,730 host. But so I think the the first 67 00:04:14,740 --> 00:04:20,390 reason is that, you know, Simon didn't offer these these acts of 68 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:25,430 welcome and embrace to Jesus. When Jesus arrives, the woman 69 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:30,580 enters the house, which again, we talked about not being like 70 00:04:30,590 --> 00:04:35,780 not being tremendously awkward in and of itself, that people 71 00:04:35,790 --> 00:04:39,180 would come and go and that it wasn't just Simon the Pharisee 72 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:41,280 and Jesus. You know, there's a group of 73 00:04:41,290 --> 00:04:43,600 people there, so you assume people coming and going a little 74 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:49,690 bit, but the lady arrives. She, Luke, tells us she's a 75 00:04:49,700 --> 00:04:52,010 sinful woman. Like he makes sure we know from 76 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:53,770 the beginning that that's how she's perceived. 77 00:04:54,590 --> 00:05:01,050 And then Simon himself kind of reiterates that in his his, in 78 00:05:01,060 --> 00:05:05,340 his own words. O she not only. 79 00:05:05,380 --> 00:05:07,910 And This is why I think it is in part why it's significant. 80 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:15,240 She not only takes on the exact precise role of host, but she 81 00:05:15,250 --> 00:05:22,330 does it to like a lavish over generous in almost like 82 00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:25,960 incredible way. So it's not like she shows up 83 00:05:26,030 --> 00:05:30,220 and thinks to herself, oh, Simon didn't welcome this dude into 84 00:05:30,230 --> 00:05:36,030 his house. I'm going to, you know, just do 85 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,030 this. I'm gonna get a, a bucket of 86 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,610 water and offer it to Jesus to wash his feet, you know, dusty 87 00:05:41,620 --> 00:05:45,450 roads, sandals, long trips, all of it walking pretty well. 88 00:05:46,420 --> 00:05:51,010 You know, I'm not going to offer him Simon's oil to anoint his 89 00:05:51,020 --> 00:05:52,750 head and kind of refresh himself. 90 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:57,270 I'm not going to greet him with a kiss in the Simon Says it's 91 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,930 this lavish, generous, overly so. 92 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,270 She washes his feet with her tears and wipes them with her 93 00:06:06,280 --> 00:06:08,470 hair. She kisses his feet and then 94 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,430 anoints it, says she anoints Jesus with oil out of an 95 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,830 alabaster jar that she's brought. 96 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,970 And so that's not a, you know, if you look this up, there's 97 00:06:20,980 --> 00:06:26,260 like a general consensus on what this would have been, but I 98 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:30,130 don't think, you know, exact precise measurements of like 99 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:34,090 this oil in an alabaster, though some people will suggest it's 100 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:36,120 like this could even be like a year's wage. 101 00:06:36,130 --> 00:06:36,960 Yeah. Yeah. 102 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:41,060 And so it's like probably a family heirloom almost that 103 00:06:41,070 --> 00:06:44,400 would have been kept. It is overly generous. 104 00:06:44,650 --> 00:06:48,240 It is in some people's minds, maybe in many people's minds, 105 00:06:48,250 --> 00:06:54,580 like a waste of that kind of thing to to use that to, to wash 106 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:58,480 or to anoint Jesus's feet with. So it's overly generous. 107 00:06:58,490 --> 00:07:02,120 It's overly hospitable. It's like outrageously so. 108 00:07:02,370 --> 00:07:08,550 It is, um, an act of, of hospitality that's rooted and 109 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,870 driven by love. And I think that's like the 110 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,890 second thing. So the first, if the first is 111 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:20,830 that it's just really, it is a an overly generous act of 112 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:27,500 hosting in like just the strict kind of social human to human 113 00:07:27,510 --> 00:07:28,560 sense. Hmm. 114 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:31,640 It's that if that's the first reason, I think the second 115 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:37,960 reason is that really what we find out is that she is not 116 00:07:37,970 --> 00:07:45,060 welcoming Jesus into Simon's house as host so much as she's 117 00:07:45,190 --> 00:07:52,600 welcoming Jesus into all of her life for how he forgives and 118 00:07:52,610 --> 00:07:56,020 loves and how he's acted toward, toward Jesus. 119 00:07:56,170 --> 00:07:59,550 So like some people suggest that this woman likely very likely 120 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,830 would have met Jesus already and would have known Jesus. 121 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,560 And maybe there's been some interaction there of, of 122 00:08:06,570 --> 00:08:10,820 forgiveness or, you know, she's at least heard his message of 123 00:08:10,830 --> 00:08:15,220 forgiveness that it, this might not be the first time they've 124 00:08:15,230 --> 00:08:20,380 met, but that she, you know, she's internalized a lot of his 125 00:08:20,390 --> 00:08:23,280 teaching and really kind of wrestled out her own lifestyle 126 00:08:23,290 --> 00:08:28,340 and sin and come to a place of, of, of repentance of life 127 00:08:28,350 --> 00:08:31,550 transformation. But I think what we know from 128 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:38,380 this text is that she is really welcoming all of what Jesus 129 00:08:38,390 --> 00:08:44,260 brings, love, grace, mercy, forgiveness, and like change to 130 00:08:44,270 --> 00:08:49,020 her life, transformation to her life, not just simply into like 131 00:08:49,030 --> 00:08:53,420 a physical house, but she's welcoming Jesus as one who 132 00:08:53,430 --> 00:08:57,040 enters into her life and radically changes it. 133 00:08:57,290 --> 00:09:01,640 And I think that's why we see, that's why we see her in tears. 134 00:09:01,650 --> 00:09:06,840 Like she's, she's weeping not just simply to like, well, like 135 00:09:06,910 --> 00:09:09,240 I can use these tears to washes. Like, I think she's weeping 136 00:09:09,250 --> 00:09:11,860 because she's genuinely been confronted by the reality of who 137 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:15,960 Jesus is and has had her life altered because of the reality 138 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:17,980 of who Jesus is and is wrestling that out. 139 00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:20,440 Yeah. This is the expression of love 140 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:24,960 and gratitude. Thankfulness from one who knows 141 00:09:24,970 --> 00:09:29,470 full well how the world sees her, knows full well how you 142 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,780 know she's lived her life, whatever that is. 143 00:09:31,790 --> 00:09:36,380 Like we're not told. And who also then knows full 144 00:09:36,390 --> 00:09:42,280 well how deep Jesus's love and forgiveness is for her. 145 00:09:42,350 --> 00:09:44,380 Yeah. And that's hit her. 146 00:09:44,450 --> 00:09:49,580 And so she's welcoming Jesus into her life in that sense of 147 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:52,940 of host, Right. So I think, yeah, it's it's 148 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:55,840 lavish on a human standard, like kind of from a human 149 00:09:55,850 --> 00:09:59,320 perspective. And I think it's representative 150 00:09:59,410 --> 00:10:05,000 of the radical transformation that happens when Jesus gets a 151 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:07,540 hold of everybody and and transforms their. 152 00:10:07,550 --> 00:10:10,050 Life cool. Yeah, yeah. 153 00:10:10,060 --> 00:10:16,540 It's it's like just seeing her have that kind of raw honesty 154 00:10:16,550 --> 00:10:20,360 with herself of like understanding her brokenness and 155 00:10:20,410 --> 00:10:24,220 like you're saying like it's out of that place and understanding 156 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:27,420 of like, this is where the tears come from. 157 00:10:27,570 --> 00:10:28,160 Yeah. You know. 158 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:34,130 And so I guess a a follow up question, more like application 159 00:10:34,140 --> 00:10:39,410 based, like how can we see this contrast? 160 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:46,620 What does that tell us about how we approach Jesus today? 161 00:10:46,630 --> 00:10:49,840 Like either between like that formality versus the the raw 162 00:10:49,850 --> 00:10:51,260 honesty that we see in the woman. 163 00:10:51,270 --> 00:10:55,220 'S yeah, yeah, I it this this question would be easier to I 164 00:10:55,230 --> 00:10:57,670 love this question. It'd be easier to answer, I 165 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:03,880 think if Simon had actually done each of those three tasks as 166 00:11:03,890 --> 00:11:06,000 host. But just in like this wrote 167 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:09,700 because it's required of me kind of way, then we could say, well, 168 00:11:09,710 --> 00:11:11,680 listen, like you can see Simon's heart. 169 00:11:11,750 --> 00:11:15,370 He's doing it because it's the right thing to do, not because 170 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:17,990 it's representative of anything inside of him. 171 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:21,830 And here's this lady who shouldn't be the host, but who 172 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:26,210 is doing it like she's hosting in just such a lavish, generous, 173 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,610 loving way because, you know, it represents her heart. 174 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,930 So I mean, it would have been so much easier, I think, to answer 175 00:11:33,940 --> 00:11:36,330 if if Simon that he doesn't even do it exactly. 176 00:11:36,340 --> 00:11:40,730 He doesn't even do it. And so I think that there is 177 00:11:40,740 --> 00:11:44,840 that hesitancy. I, I bring that, that up because 178 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:54,550 I do think that we can tend to struggle with this raw, like 179 00:11:54,600 --> 00:12:00,070 unfiltered response to Jesus. Like, I really do mean like, I 180 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,230 think on Sunday I said, like, how far back do you think the 181 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,600 crowds got like the other, the other people there, the other 182 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:10,240 guests, like, did they leave? Like how awkward would they have 183 00:12:10,250 --> 00:12:12,470 felt watching all of this happen? 184 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:16,110 And I I do think that there's a natural human inclination toward 185 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:23,190 like awkward, like keep it at an arms length, don't make me feel 186 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,450 too vulnerable kind of response. Yeah, that like I sure if I can 187 00:12:27,460 --> 00:12:29,870 think the right thing and believe the right thing and then 188 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,830 just start to do the right thing, great. 189 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,140 Like I'm in, but I do think we struggle with no, I'm going to 190 00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:41,520 get real honest and confront like the deepest, darkest pieces 191 00:12:41,530 --> 00:12:46,280 of my life and my soul, my heart and my mind and allow Jesus to 192 00:12:46,290 --> 00:12:52,870 meet me there and actually be transformed by, by Jesus 193 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:56,950 presence and love, death, resurrection, confrontation of, 194 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,070 of sin with, with life and Kingdom. 195 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:05,940 Like I do think we, we struggle with that honesty. 196 00:13:06,410 --> 00:13:12,460 And so it, it I think that's why it matters that Simon didn't do 197 00:13:12,590 --> 00:13:18,420 the quote right thing in some way, because we can't even like, 198 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:20,940 it's not even like you could say, well, at least that could 199 00:13:20,950 --> 00:13:24,520 be like Simon and I can do the right thing for a good reason. 200 00:13:25,700 --> 00:13:33,780 You know, it really is like I I think the gospel does force us 201 00:13:34,150 --> 00:13:43,040 to really wrestle with the the most honest, raw, at times 202 00:13:43,050 --> 00:13:47,100 darkest, most hurt pieces of our life. 203 00:13:47,150 --> 00:13:53,660 Yeah. And when we do it, it's really 204 00:13:53,670 --> 00:13:58,890 in those moments that there is that deep level of healing that 205 00:13:59,350 --> 00:14:05,420 leads to this outpouring of like tears and love that this this 206 00:14:05,430 --> 00:14:15,000 woman shows toward Jesus. So I think like we, we need 207 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:23,580 people in our lives who are willing to press in and not 208 00:14:23,630 --> 00:14:29,180 allow or at least challenge us when we try to tip toward that. 209 00:14:29,190 --> 00:14:33,420 Like what I'll say, like legalistic, sort of. 210 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:37,350 I'll say I'll do the right thing because it's the right thing. 211 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,690 Like, sometimes we just need to do that. 212 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:40,930 Sometimes you do need to do the right thing just simply because 213 00:14:40,940 --> 00:14:42,110 it's the right thing. Yeah. 214 00:14:42,220 --> 00:14:47,230 But I think sometimes we can maybe use that to avoid really 215 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,490 wrestling with what's going on in our lives. 216 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:59,480 So the fact that we see, the fact that we see Simon not offer 217 00:14:59,490 --> 00:15:04,520 these three, you know, forms of welcome as host does, I think, 218 00:15:04,530 --> 00:15:09,040 really show us that there's one way to respond to Jesus. 219 00:15:10,210 --> 00:15:14,970 And the right way to respond to Jesus is by allowing Jesus to 220 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:19,250 actually confront and challenge and transform all of the pieces 221 00:15:19,260 --> 00:15:20,450 of our life. Yeah. 222 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:22,050 So we don't get to compartmentalize it. 223 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,200 We don't get to like wall off a piece. 224 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:31,200 We're good at that, right? We don't get to keep like kind 225 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:33,690 of hide these pieces back. Truly. 226 00:15:33,700 --> 00:15:35,820 Like what? What what God is challenging for 227 00:15:35,830 --> 00:15:39,720 each of us to do is to say, OK, all of it, whatever needs to go, 228 00:15:39,770 --> 00:15:43,530 yeah, game on. I'm willing to to deal with 229 00:15:43,540 --> 00:15:45,960 that. And I think that does happen 230 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:49,600 when you got people in your life that are willing to like hold 231 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:54,120 your feet to the fire as it were really simple, like day-to-day 232 00:15:54,130 --> 00:15:56,390 analogy. You need somebody in your life 233 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,360 who is like, hey, how's it going? 234 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:58,450 Good. Like how you doing? 235 00:15:58,460 --> 00:15:59,900 Good. No, no, OK. 236 00:16:00,190 --> 00:16:02,860 Like how are you really doing? Yeah, it's that second question, 237 00:16:02,870 --> 00:16:05,100 like, I don't believe you. Yeah, right. 238 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,040 And you need people who are willing to lean in like that. 239 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:13,670 And that requires so much just presence and awareness and non 240 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:19,200 anxious, yeah, presence in in somebody's life. 241 00:16:19,210 --> 00:16:23,730 So, yeah, like I, I think one of the challenges is to be that for 242 00:16:23,740 --> 00:16:28,170 one another and to not keep things at that surface level, 243 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:32,030 but really to like press into, OK, what what Jesus actually 244 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,150 transforming in your life? We had that at the end if people 245 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,460 were at the community Bible study, and that's kind of where 246 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:40,460 we landed with the community Bible study is what are some of 247 00:16:40,470 --> 00:16:42,690 the things that Jesus is like convicting you on? 248 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,870 And I remember that conversation around the table being like, oh, 249 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,530 this is it Like this. These are so meaningful and it's 250 00:16:50,540 --> 00:16:53,650 so awkward at first. Like who's going to go 1st and 251 00:16:53,660 --> 00:16:57,990 how honest, Like how honest will the first person we And like, 252 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,250 because that's like that's the tone. 253 00:17:00,260 --> 00:17:04,220 Yeah, yeah. But I do think the, the more, 254 00:17:05,030 --> 00:17:10,740 the more we can push away from the certainly like the time and 255 00:17:10,750 --> 00:17:14,230 the Pharisee and not doing, not having the conversations, but 256 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,630 even the just doing the right thing, like having the surface 257 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,280 level conversations. The more we compress into those 258 00:17:20,290 --> 00:17:21,750 deeper conversations, the better. 259 00:17:21,790 --> 00:17:22,920 And like, you know what that means? 260 00:17:22,930 --> 00:17:26,619 Like you need people who you can trust and who are who've earned 261 00:17:26,770 --> 00:17:30,780 trust in your life like that. It only happens inside of real 262 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:34,620 meaningful deep seated relationship, which is why at 263 00:17:34,630 --> 00:17:38,280 the end I kind of brought us back around to community as a 264 00:17:38,290 --> 00:17:45,930 final is so cool. Yeah, so Jesus says whoever has 265 00:17:45,940 --> 00:17:49,270 been forgiven, little loves little. 266 00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:54,960 How does that truth challenge the way we talk about grace and 267 00:17:54,970 --> 00:18:03,130 sin in modern church culture? Yeah, I think we have a tendency 268 00:18:03,140 --> 00:18:08,810 to diminish sin, which might like, I don't yeah, that big 269 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:11,010 people might hear that and be like, I don't know how to handle 270 00:18:11,020 --> 00:18:15,290 that. Yeah, mine I, I think again, I 271 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:21,030 think because we wrestle with like vulnerability, honesty, 272 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:24,290 like we, we struggle with our own sin. 273 00:18:25,940 --> 00:18:30,530 We as a community, what that can tend to look like is that we 274 00:18:30,540 --> 00:18:36,300 struggle talking about sin period, because I can't 275 00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:40,880 challenge you on your sin because I don't want you to 276 00:18:40,890 --> 00:18:43,560 challenge me on my side, right? Like that's kind of this, like, 277 00:18:43,570 --> 00:18:47,800 it's, it's almost like, you know, this is a terrible, like, 278 00:18:47,810 --> 00:18:49,590 feels like, like a little bit like mutually assured 279 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:50,860 destruction. Yeah. 280 00:18:50,900 --> 00:18:54,860 So it's like you got your SIN. I got my SIN, and I'm not gonna 281 00:18:54,870 --> 00:18:57,430 challenge you on yours because I don't want you to lean in on 282 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,170 mine. And we're like, anyway, so let's 283 00:18:59,180 --> 00:19:01,660 just keep those pieces personal and private. 284 00:19:01,670 --> 00:19:07,480 I do think that in Canada, something shifted in as, as a 285 00:19:07,490 --> 00:19:10,350 culture, like, and I want to say like I wasn't there, but I want 286 00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:13,980 to say in the 70s, and I might be wrong on this, on these dates 287 00:19:14,350 --> 00:19:18,100 where like we've relegated a lot of things to the personal 288 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:21,720 private sphere of of like ethics and society. 289 00:19:21,730 --> 00:19:25,720 So religion is 1 and sex is another. 290 00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:30,630 And so I think it was, I think it was Pierre Elliott Trudeau 291 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:33,970 when he was Prime Minister who said that the state has no 292 00:19:33,980 --> 00:19:36,270 business in the bedroom of the nation, right. 293 00:19:36,340 --> 00:19:40,570 So essentially what you do on your own private time is your 294 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:46,090 own private thing and no entity ought to speak into that. 295 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:50,650 And so I think we've done that in in terms of a lot of 296 00:19:50,660 --> 00:19:54,940 different things in life where we just naturally like, what are 297 00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:57,430 the things that you don't talk about on like a first date or 298 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,290 with your in laws or when families together are like 299 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:02,820 religion? Politics. 300 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,530 And there's another one there. I can't remember what it is. 301 00:20:05,570 --> 00:20:07,780 Yeah. But like, we've we've just kind 302 00:20:07,790 --> 00:20:11,260 of relegated a lot of these things to individual private 303 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:15,720 life. And they're, they're either like 304 00:20:16,230 --> 00:20:18,080 taboo. Like we don't talk about them in 305 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:19,940 public. You know, you don't, I don't 306 00:20:19,950 --> 00:20:22,350 want to impinge on your thoughts and you don't want to impinge on 307 00:20:22,360 --> 00:20:24,910 my thoughts. Like, let's just, you know, talk 308 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,720 about sports or the weather or whatever, where we're going on 309 00:20:27,730 --> 00:20:29,880 vacation. And again, like, we, we wrestle 310 00:20:29,890 --> 00:20:31,720 with having deep, meaningful conversation. 311 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:34,950 And then you get somebody who's like, man, I struggle with small 312 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,720 talk and like, they only want to go like, just like, you know, 313 00:20:38,730 --> 00:20:40,130 deep conversation, like, OK, yeah. 314 00:20:40,140 --> 00:20:47,520 Like more of that, yeah. So I think that when Jesus says 315 00:20:48,260 --> 00:20:56,000 whoever, and I want to read it, so you know, whoever has been 316 00:20:56,090 --> 00:21:02,630 forgiven much loves much is, you know, essentially the line, but 317 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,160 it's her sins and they are many have been forgiven. 318 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,260 So she has shown me great love. I love that. 319 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:11,900 So this is the NLT, the new living Translation. 320 00:21:12,010 --> 00:21:16,000 And so, you know, it's just so crystal clear. 321 00:21:16,010 --> 00:21:22,020 I tell you her sins and they are many right, have been forgiven. 322 00:21:22,250 --> 00:21:26,330 So she has shown me much love. And it's the whole, it's the 323 00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:29,270 whole like mini parable that Jesus tells one person knows, 324 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:35,820 you know, another 50, 3rd owes the same guy 500, the one dude 325 00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:39,940 money lender, he forgives both the debts and like, who's gonna 326 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:41,380 be more grateful? Yeah. 327 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:45,460 And Simon answers, Yeah, like obviously it's the one who owed 328 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:46,830 more. It was going to take him longer 329 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,380 to pay it off. He would have to work harder to 330 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:50,680 do it. Maybe he couldn't like, you 331 00:21:50,690 --> 00:21:54,090 know, for all of these reasons. And I think the point that Jesus 332 00:21:54,100 --> 00:22:01,150 is making here is, um, not that, not so much that this woman's 333 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:06,690 sin is greater than like Simonson. 334 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:12,590 So she, you know, she's gonna love me better than you. 335 00:22:13,390 --> 00:22:17,390 I think what he's saying is she really gets it, Like she gets 336 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:24,670 the depth of the need in her life and and Simon doesn't. 337 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:26,610 He doesn't get the depth of the need. 338 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:31,120 He thinks it's like 50, you know, 50 bucks when really it's 339 00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:32,260 500. Hmm. 340 00:22:32,700 --> 00:22:35,950 And I think what Jesus is saying is not like this woman gets it. 341 00:22:36,010 --> 00:22:41,580 She she has felt the devastation of sin and brokenness in her 342 00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:48,150 life, and she really, actually understands how great it is to 343 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:49,730 be forgiven from that. Yeah. 344 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:56,720 And I think that again, we struggle with this in, you know, 345 00:22:56,730 --> 00:23:02,660 what I would consider like a, a fairly affluent life in Canada 346 00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:05,900 right now for many people. And like for some it's not for 347 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:07,500 some it is still, it's very hard. 348 00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:09,820 You know, think about people who are just brand new to the 349 00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:13,020 country and who have left everything and are trying to 350 00:23:13,030 --> 00:23:16,260 reestablish their life in a, in a new country. 351 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:19,340 Maybe it's a new language. Like you can still have a 352 00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:22,440 difficult experience here day-to-day for a whole variety 353 00:23:22,450 --> 00:23:24,940 of reasons. But I think by and large, for 354 00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:33,070 many people, our affluence means that we are dependent on another 355 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:36,730 for very little, right? Like, if you can go to the store 356 00:23:36,740 --> 00:23:40,920 and buy food when you're hungry, Like, it's been a long time 357 00:23:40,970 --> 00:23:45,800 since I had to depend on someone else to provide food for me. 358 00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:47,740 Yeah. And like, that's listen. 359 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:49,440 Like, that's a privileged place to sit. 360 00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:51,590 I need to be really grateful for that. 361 00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:55,800 But I think what it does is like, our affluence makes us 362 00:23:55,810 --> 00:24:02,480 blind in some ways, like our physical wealth and accumulation 363 00:24:02,490 --> 00:24:10,710 of stuff, like not really having need really makes it hard to 364 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,660 wrestle out like spiritual need because like, I don't need 365 00:24:13,670 --> 00:24:15,320 anybody for anything. Yeah. 366 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:17,120 And now we're like, oh, no. But we do. 367 00:24:17,130 --> 00:24:18,220 You do. Yeah. 368 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:20,900 And like, I think I do think we, we struggle with that. 369 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:23,070 And so I think what Jesus is pointing out is like the lady, 370 00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:27,140 this woman gets it and she understands the depth of the 371 00:24:27,150 --> 00:24:31,720 need that she has for somebody else to come in and rescue. 372 00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:36,630 And that's why I love like CS Lewis's line that says, I think 373 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,610 it's anyways, it's probably misquoted by a bunch of 374 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:40,460 different people or like attributed to a bunch of 375 00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:43,850 different people. And so I might be misattributing 376 00:24:43,860 --> 00:24:46,530 it here, you know, because like there's a, there's a line that 377 00:24:46,540 --> 00:24:48,890 says, like, you know, if, if our, if our deepest need is 378 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,750 humanity were like economic prosperity or wealth, whatever, 379 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,250 like God, we've sent to an economist, right? 380 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,190 And he goes to this whole list and he says, no, but like, our 381 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:02,410 deepest need was actually our sin and our brokenness, like the 382 00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:06,610 death and decay. And so God sent a rescuer like 383 00:25:06,620 --> 00:25:13,050 one who is the one to lift us up out of, you know, pit that we 384 00:25:13,060 --> 00:25:15,170 can't dig our way out of or however you want to picture it. 385 00:25:15,230 --> 00:25:18,830 Yeah. So I think this, this line, it 386 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,730 confronts us with the depth of our sin. 387 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:28,700 Um, and though it, it really reveals, and this is where like 388 00:25:28,940 --> 00:25:33,170 I think it's positive in the end, it, it really reveals how 389 00:25:33,180 --> 00:25:39,540 great life and community and love can be once you've wrestled 390 00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:41,660 with how deeply loved and forgiven you are. 391 00:25:41,710 --> 00:25:46,400 Yeah. So, so our, our ability to love 392 00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:51,660 one another grows as we're willing to be confronted by how 393 00:25:51,710 --> 00:25:55,640 much we've been loved. Our ability to forgive people 394 00:25:55,650 --> 00:25:59,500 grows. Our capacity to forgive grows 395 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,950 when we really genuinely wrestle with how we've been forgiven. 396 00:26:04,060 --> 00:26:07,610 If we kind of like put off like, oh, like my, my sins not that 397 00:26:07,620 --> 00:26:08,950 great. And I like I, you know, I 398 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,910 definitely didn't do this or I definitely didn't do that. 399 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:16,480 And I, you know, if you diminish your sin, then you diminish the, 400 00:26:16,590 --> 00:26:20,900 the greatness or gravity of, of God's forgiveness. 401 00:26:21,290 --> 00:26:24,520 And I think that hinders your ability to forgive and to love 402 00:26:24,530 --> 00:26:27,540 and to continue to be generous with other people. 403 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,650 And certainly also, you know, limits your ability to to really 404 00:26:33,660 --> 00:26:36,490 live and flourish the way God's created you to. 405 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840 So I, I think again, like, I think we need to confront the 406 00:26:41,850 --> 00:26:45,640 reality of sin with the promise and hope and expectation of 407 00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:49,440 like, yeah, this increases our ability to love and to love well 408 00:26:49,450 --> 00:26:53,020 and to love one another in ways that that the church needs. 409 00:26:54,050 --> 00:26:57,360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. 410 00:26:58,990 --> 00:27:02,370 You kind of touched on this a little bit on like the idea of 411 00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:08,680 how maybe we we avoid talking about sin, having those deep 412 00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:13,840 conversations and maybe how we even like how how we minimize 413 00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:17,520 sin, like the impact or the depth of sin in our life. 414 00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:25,260 How do you think that's affects how deeply we love Jesus and how 415 00:27:25,270 --> 00:27:32,570 rightly we approach him? Hmm, yeah, I so I, I picture 416 00:27:32,580 --> 00:27:37,330 like a, a friendship or even like you take it a step further 417 00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:41,800 and and think about like a relation relationship, dating 418 00:27:41,810 --> 00:27:44,190 relationship or a marriage, let's say marriage. 419 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:54,910 And, you know, you, I think we would all likely agree that the 420 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,570 fewer secrets you're trying to keep from your spouse, the 421 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:02,010 better off life is going to be. Yeah, right. 422 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:12,030 And you know, I, I just think that when we diminish sin, when 423 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:20,290 we, you know, whether it's out of like our own trying to, you 424 00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:24,820 know, preserve something in ourselves or, you know, when we 425 00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:31,960 wall something off like that. Yet you can't live like an 426 00:28:32,010 --> 00:28:39,570 unhindered a relationship out when you're like just constantly 427 00:28:39,580 --> 00:28:41,570 trying to navigate this piece over here. 428 00:28:41,580 --> 00:28:44,090 Yeah. And I think that that's kind of 429 00:28:44,100 --> 00:28:51,980 like that's what we do in in some measure with God is, you 430 00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:56,190 know, what we're effectively saying is, yeah, you can have 431 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,060 98% of my life, but I need to keep this thing over here for me 432 00:29:01,230 --> 00:29:05,570 because it makes me feel good. Maybe because I enjoy it, maybe 433 00:29:05,580 --> 00:29:09,750 because it makes me feel safe, maybe because it's like the 434 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,610 thing that in season of trauma was a coping mechanism. 435 00:29:14,660 --> 00:29:17,610 And you know, that's like safety net, whatever it is. 436 00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:27,950 Like I think that that level of um, like walling off pieces of 437 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,350 our life or compartmentalization just means that it's constantly 438 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,180 there as you're trying to live out, you know, a loving and life 439 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:41,040 giving relationship with, with Jesus. 440 00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:43,580 Yeah. So, you know, again, I go back 441 00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:47,660 to like a marriage where you got something kind of like, like, I 442 00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:52,120 don't want you to find this piece out or I don't want you to 443 00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:54,580 know this thing about me. Like maybe it's maybe it's a 444 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:58,060 wound, maybe it's like a trauma, maybe it's like a history thing. 445 00:29:58,070 --> 00:30:00,560 And you're like, if you knew this about me. 446 00:30:00,610 --> 00:30:04,180 So like it's not, you know, it's not something that you're doing, 447 00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:06,700 but it's something that you believe you are. 448 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,200 If you find this out about me, then you certainly you won't 449 00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:13,090 love me, right? So like I think that's another 450 00:30:13,100 --> 00:30:18,690 thing that can come into into relationships again, like you're 451 00:30:18,700 --> 00:30:24,270 just always dealing with that thing and always tiptoeing 452 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,570 around not dealing with it. Yeah, right. 453 00:30:27,580 --> 00:30:32,850 Keeping it to yourself or not allowing the the pieces of you 454 00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:41,270 out that that ought to be right. And I think that this is again 455 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,750 where this is the CS Lewis quote. 456 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,800 At the end of my ceremony, I said, like when we learn or when 457 00:30:46,810 --> 00:30:50,780 we really realize, like God has forgiven the inexcusable in us, 458 00:30:51,050 --> 00:30:53,980 then we learn to forgive the inexcusable and others. 459 00:30:53,990 --> 00:31:01,210 Yeah. And so again, I think are you, 460 00:31:01,220 --> 00:31:03,630 you know, you asked about our capacity to love Jesus. 461 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,370 I think it's hard to love somebody fully. 462 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:12,770 It's hard for a relationship to be fully formed when when you're 463 00:31:12,780 --> 00:31:15,470 constantly holding something back. 464 00:31:15,940 --> 00:31:17,600 And and maybe like, so name another thing. 465 00:31:17,610 --> 00:31:21,920 Maybe it's work right? Like maybe it's it's yet I'm 466 00:31:21,930 --> 00:31:27,010 going to let you shape every single decision I make except in 467 00:31:27,060 --> 00:31:29,590 like when I'm at work. Like that's my, that's my arena. 468 00:31:29,820 --> 00:31:32,130 Yeah. Because, you know, you're like, 469 00:31:32,190 --> 00:31:34,890 I'm going to have to make some unethical decisions and I have 470 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:38,450 to make some decisions that I know I wouldn't likely be 471 00:31:38,460 --> 00:31:41,830 comfortable making if I allow the gospel into that area of my 472 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:47,020 life. And again, I just it's 473 00:31:47,030 --> 00:31:48,660 impossible to love somebody fully. 474 00:31:48,790 --> 00:31:50,840 It's impossible to be fully loved. 475 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:55,420 Hmm, right when you're trying to hide something, or when you're 476 00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:57,360 trying to hold something back. When you're trying to say like 477 00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:03,440 this piece is mine, only I get to input on it, You not only are 478 00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:07,950 you not able to love fully, but you're not fully known. 479 00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:13,050 You're not fully loved. You are not like your the the 480 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,670 Pete Scazzero. Peter Scazzero has this series 481 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,350 called the Emotionally Healthy Right now. 482 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,100 The iteration is emotionally healthy discipleship, but he 483 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:25,720 wrote like emotional healthy church, mostly emotionally 484 00:32:25,730 --> 00:32:28,620 healthy spirituality. Yeah, emotionally healthy 485 00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:30,950 discipleship, which I'm struggling to say like all those 486 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,720 things. But, you know, the the premise 487 00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:42,240 of it is that you can't be spiritually healthy and 488 00:32:42,250 --> 00:32:47,020 developed while being emotionally stunted. 489 00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:51,790 Yeah. And so for a long time we've 490 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,070 done discipleship and like Christian formation as this. 491 00:32:56,030 --> 00:32:59,380 Let's get you spiritually as formed as possible. 492 00:32:59,390 --> 00:33:02,580 And you like, how much can you know and internalize, memorize, 493 00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:07,480 remember, like, but we're going to not focus on like the 494 00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:09,040 emotional health piece. Yeah. 495 00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:11,890 And so here comes Peter Scazzero. 496 00:33:11,900 --> 00:33:15,550 And you know what what they've written is? 497 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,350 I think it's really shaped my understanding of spiritual 498 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,220 formation because they challenge in, they say at the end of the 499 00:33:21,230 --> 00:33:24,440 day, you won't be spiritually formed if you're not also being 500 00:33:24,450 --> 00:33:27,660 emotionally shaped and formed. So you've got to deal with, 501 00:33:27,670 --> 00:33:31,800 like, the emotional stuff as you wrestle out the spiritual stuff. 502 00:33:31,810 --> 00:33:33,860 Yeah. And the spiritual stuff wants to 503 00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:37,200 deal with the emotional stuff and wants to, you know, inform 504 00:33:37,210 --> 00:33:41,880 it as you wrestle it out. But you can't remain emotionally 505 00:33:41,890 --> 00:33:46,070 a child while expecting to be spiritually mature. 506 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:47,690 Yeah, and in the other way, he says. 507 00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:51,280 Like, you're probably not gonna be emotionally mature until 508 00:33:51,290 --> 00:33:53,580 you're also spiritually mature. Like they go hand in hand. 509 00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:56,820 Yeah. So you know, Jesus doesn't just 510 00:33:56,830 --> 00:34:01,630 want to save you to heaven when you die, like spiritually save 511 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,740 you. He actually wants to get in and 512 00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,680 transform all of your life emotions, the way you think, 513 00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:16,070 act, how you are, all of it. And when we wall off those 514 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,159 pieces or keep those pieces maybe at an arms length, that's 515 00:34:19,170 --> 00:34:21,270 what you're preventing. Yeah, right. 516 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:27,170 Is is for the gospel to shape, for Jesus's love, to shape all 517 00:34:27,179 --> 00:34:31,219 of who you are and to wrestle out the the the hardest parts of 518 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,320 of your life. Hmm, Yeah, I don't know. 519 00:34:34,330 --> 00:34:36,219 Does that answer? Yeah, that answering it. 520 00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:37,699 OK. Yeah, Yeah, definitely. 521 00:34:38,150 --> 00:34:44,230 Yeah. Now we see Simon judging the 522 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:49,600 woman based on her past, like based on on her sins. 523 00:34:49,929 --> 00:34:56,030 But then we get that contrast with Jesus, who honors her and 524 00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:01,110 sees her for her presence, faith that she's showing. 525 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:07,890 So how do we keep ourselves from putting others in boxes based on 526 00:35:07,900 --> 00:35:12,200 who they were as opposed to the person that they are becoming? 527 00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:18,070 Yeah, really. Like carefully, slowly. 528 00:35:18,820 --> 00:35:20,970 I don't have a perfect answer for this question. 529 00:35:20,980 --> 00:35:25,610 I don't have perfect answers for any questions, but I, I think 530 00:35:25,620 --> 00:35:29,990 this is where in my mind, this is where, again, the turn to 531 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:36,270 community is necessary. Because like, I know we, we all 532 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:42,270 know, like our own hearts toward judgment, Like, for whatever 533 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:48,310 reason that is, you know, I think sometimes we, um, 534 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:54,650 sometimes we, we wrestle with like God's love and grace and 535 00:35:54,660 --> 00:35:57,310 community bringing us into relationship with people that 536 00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,690 maybe we don't like, or, you know, that we don't think we're 537 00:36:00,700 --> 00:36:06,110 gonna like, or that we don't want maybe necessarily like 538 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,450 people who are different than us in ways that go like, I just, I 539 00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:12,630 don't know how to talk to you. Like, I mean, those are kind of 540 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,130 surface level things. But like, you know, each of us, 541 00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:19,910 I think know where we're prone to judgment and why we're, we're 542 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:27,700 prone to judgment. I, I think that, um, one of the 543 00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:33,120 main ways we can, we can help combat that is by embracing 544 00:36:33,130 --> 00:36:37,080 community because it's in community where, you know, I 545 00:36:37,090 --> 00:36:43,670 need people to say to me, hey, like not sure that that approach 546 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,350 is the right approach. Yeah. 547 00:36:45,420 --> 00:36:49,870 Or, or not sure that you're seeing this correctly, right? 548 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,710 Not sure that you are reading what's currently happening. 549 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:58,710 And it seems, it feels, looks like we're doing this whole 550 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,470 like, you know, you're still over here, like judgment thing, 551 00:37:01,540 --> 00:37:04,610 right? So I think it's a it's a culture 552 00:37:04,620 --> 00:37:06,770 thing that happens inside a community where we learn to be 553 00:37:06,780 --> 00:37:10,370 accountable with one another and a name the fact that Yep, 554 00:37:10,420 --> 00:37:15,200 probably still going to be prone towards judgment and also name 555 00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:19,150 the fact that Yep, I'm going to need somebody to help correct 556 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:24,120 that in me. And when it happens, having 557 00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:27,160 these relationships that we've built that that do allow for it 558 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,070 and that do call things out. So, you know, if if in a in a 559 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,590 group, something is said and it's like, hey, that like that 560 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,550 lands, you know, that that sounds judgment. 561 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:45,050 That sounds like judgment. Now, what I'm not saying is that 562 00:37:45,060 --> 00:37:48,360 like I'm not saying we can't be judging, right. 563 00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:53,510 I think that the, so we can, we can tip toward hyper or like, 564 00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:58,490 you know, exceptional judgment on on the one hand, like Simon 565 00:37:58,500 --> 00:38:02,130 does. Um, I think, you know, there 566 00:38:02,140 --> 00:38:06,600 could have been a, a different way for Simon to like approach 567 00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:10,380 the same like, you know, not like does Jesus know what he's 568 00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:12,490 doing? But I wonder what he's doing. 569 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:13,990 Hmm. Right. 570 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,610 Because very clear, like nobody would, nobody would, would 571 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:19,540 disagree. Like Simon and this woman are 572 00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:22,390 different. Now the reality is they're both 573 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,490 sinful and they both need Jesus to the same degree. 574 00:38:25,500 --> 00:38:28,030 Yeah, that's, that's the reality here, right? 575 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:32,560 Is that doesn't matter like how close to perfect your life is or 576 00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:35,210 isn't. Like we all need in equal 577 00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:39,420 measure Jesus to repair a relationship that's broken. 578 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,060 And there are lots of ways of talking about sin and salvation. 579 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:47,380 But you know, Simon, so Simon, he, he goes like, does Jesus 580 00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:50,140 know what he's doing? Like if he did, surely he 581 00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:51,980 wouldn't. Like it's not only is it 582 00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:55,200 judging, but like it's, it's immediate condemnation. 583 00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:59,290 And so I think we like, we distinguish as we work through 584 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:01,780 the sermon on the plane where Jesus says, you know, stop 585 00:39:01,790 --> 00:39:04,020 judging, stop condemning. We worked through the reality 586 00:39:04,030 --> 00:39:05,140 that those are actually different. 587 00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:09,500 They there's a finality to condemnation that there isn't in 588 00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:12,680 judge, in judgment or in judging necessarily. 589 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,250 And we need to learn to forgive and give extra measures of, of 590 00:39:17,260 --> 00:39:20,290 grace to kind of come back and push against the, the, the judge 591 00:39:20,300 --> 00:39:22,990 and condemn. I think it's like Simon's he, 592 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,150 he's like judge, jury, executioner all in one fell 593 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,800 swoop in this. It's not like, does Jesus know 594 00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:32,090 who she is? Like, does he like, does he 595 00:39:32,100 --> 00:39:35,140 realize what's going on? It's if he knew. 596 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,580 So he's already made the determination that Jesus doesn't 597 00:39:37,590 --> 00:39:38,380 know. Yeah. 598 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:40,710 And that he's not a prophet, that he's not, you know, 599 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,220 Messiah. He's not who he says he is. 600 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:49,010 So it's not that he's just judging, it's that he's 601 00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,990 condemned. Yeah, He's condemned Jesus and 602 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,750 he's condemned this woman. And there's no good that's gonna 603 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,900 happen here. I think alternatively, like 604 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:59,870 Simon, I'm like, dude, like just remain a little bit curious. 605 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:05,430 Like even 1% curious about what? I wonder what Jesus is doing. 606 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,210 This is not. This is not normal. 607 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,930 Yeah, this is not what we all expected. 608 00:40:11,980 --> 00:40:16,790 I wonder what he's doing is just a different posture to take than 609 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:19,580 that. Surely he's not, he's not a 610 00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:23,040 prophet, can't be. So it's the fact that he's 611 00:40:23,050 --> 00:40:25,610 judged, he's condemned, he's already, he's walked away from 612 00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:30,900 the whole thing already. So, you know, I, I think for us, 613 00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:33,160 it's how do we remain open to what Jesus is doing? 614 00:40:33,250 --> 00:40:34,880 Yeah. I wonder what Jesus is doing. 615 00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:36,850 So like, somebody walks in to the church. 616 00:40:36,860 --> 00:40:39,340 You're like, I never thought you were gonna be here. 617 00:40:39,590 --> 00:40:43,760 Like, hey, like, that's probably worth celebrating, right? 618 00:40:43,830 --> 00:40:45,560 I wonder, I wonder what Jesus is doing. 619 00:40:45,630 --> 00:40:48,200 Never expected you to show up. I wonder what? 620 00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:49,980 Jesus. Jesus must be up to something. 621 00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:51,920 Yeah, I think that's a different posture to take. 622 00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:53,810 And it's one that pushes against judgment. 623 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,280 And so remain curious and open to what God's doing and worry 624 00:40:58,290 --> 00:40:59,960 less about what the individuals doing. 625 00:41:00,130 --> 00:41:03,000 And kind of like, I can sit here and go, man, I wonder what 626 00:41:03,010 --> 00:41:06,080 you're doing, if you thought this thing through. 627 00:41:06,090 --> 00:41:07,910 Like, I wonder what? I wonder what she is doing. 628 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,810 And in the midst of this. Yeah. 629 00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:12,800 So, you know, community that's gonna hold you accountable and 630 00:41:12,810 --> 00:41:15,110 then remain open and curious to what God's doing. 631 00:41:15,180 --> 00:41:17,290 That's really cool. They're not gonna get you all 632 00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:18,960 the way there, but at least it's a start. 633 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:21,390 Yeah, that's great. Cool. 634 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,020 Awesome. So last question, OK, Jesus says 635 00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:32,470 your faith has saved you, go in peace. 636 00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:37,060 So I guess kind of too many questions. 637 00:41:37,110 --> 00:41:41,370 First, what does it mean to be saved in this context? 638 00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:46,210 Hmm. And then follow up on that, what 639 00:41:46,220 --> 00:41:49,270 prompted you and you've touched on this a little bit, but what 640 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,930 prompted you to kind of discuss the need for community at the 641 00:41:52,940 --> 00:41:56,930 end of the sermon in the Go in Peace section? 642 00:41:56,940 --> 00:42:00,010 Yeah, Yeah, great. Two questions. 643 00:42:00,860 --> 00:42:04,570 So the first one, OK, saved in this sense. 644 00:42:04,580 --> 00:42:07,730 I've been wanting to talk about this and so maybe I have already 645 00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:11,190 talked about this and so forgive me, listeners, if like I'm 646 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,450 repeating myself, it's probably worth repeating though. 647 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:21,710 So we think of saved as I think at least we tend to think about 648 00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:25,440 when when we read that word like go in faith, you know, or or or 649 00:42:25,450 --> 00:42:30,050 your faith has saved you go in peace as like spiritual 650 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:37,080 salvation, like, you know, moment of conversion was living 651 00:42:37,090 --> 00:42:42,730 in sin has encountered Jesus is now turned from sin and living 652 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:47,050 in faith. So we're talking about, you 653 00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:53,200 know, lifestyle that was leading toward condemnation and hell 654 00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:58,410 destruction, you know, those pieces away from God and now a 655 00:42:58,420 --> 00:43:04,330 life that's turned and leading toward, you know, among other 656 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:07,430 things like heaven, right? We think of salvation as well. 657 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,130 You wanna go to heaven when you die, right? 658 00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:12,550 So what do you need to do in order to be saved, in order to 659 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,320 be saved from something, towards something, saved from sin, 660 00:43:16,330 --> 00:43:21,190 toward life, saved from hell, toward heaven, saved like, and 661 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,550 it misses a lot of what that word holds. 662 00:43:25,550 --> 00:43:27,700 So yes, it's spiritual salvation. 663 00:43:27,710 --> 00:43:33,770 Yes, it is spiritual redemption. And like it it it is and has to 664 00:43:33,780 --> 00:43:40,030 do with the destruction of sin and death and toward life and 665 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:47,550 forgiveness and heaven. But it actually that word that 666 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:52,770 we translate saved is the same word that we also translate as 667 00:43:52,780 --> 00:43:55,930 healed. So very often in the New 668 00:43:55,940 --> 00:44:02,770 Testament when Jesus goes around and he heals somebody, so, you 669 00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:07,330 know, casts out a demon and heals this person, or he says to 670 00:44:07,340 --> 00:44:12,490 the paralytic like get up and walk and we read like he was 671 00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:16,000 healed. It's that same word. 672 00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:23,240 I think the the root there is Sozo, but it, it it means to 673 00:44:23,250 --> 00:44:27,670 save and it also means to heal. Yeah. 674 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:30,930 And you could interchange those English words in these 675 00:44:30,940 --> 00:44:35,690 narratives. So we should never read saved as 676 00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:38,850 strictly spiritual in the New Testament because like that 677 00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:41,630 again, to even say that like we don't have time to talk about 678 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:47,710 this, but like this dualism between mind and body or body 679 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:50,390 and like spirit is not Christian. 680 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,230 Like it's not Christian to say that like your body is just 681 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:57,520 going to die and decay so that your soul or your spirit can go 682 00:44:57,530 --> 00:44:59,800 to heaven when you die like that. 683 00:44:59,890 --> 00:45:04,220 Like you are created, you are created human being body, like 684 00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:07,460 mind and spirit. And like some people, you know, 685 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:10,320 we want to talk about a soul. And you know, again, Christian 686 00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:12,660 philosophers and theologians debate about like whether we 687 00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:13,980 should talk about spirit or soul. 688 00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:19,700 And regardless, like when God creates humanity, he creates a 689 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:23,460 physical body that is good. Like there's there's something 690 00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:27,200 that is like intimately human about being in fleshed. 691 00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:29,290 And when we talk about the resurrection, we're talking 692 00:45:29,300 --> 00:45:33,730 about new heaven, new earth, like new physical, like 693 00:45:33,740 --> 00:45:39,300 resurrected bodies. So, so you know, it's, it's the 694 00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:41,620 early churches had like names for all of it. 695 00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:47,040 Like literally, it is literally a heresy that the early church 696 00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:54,040 debated over about this, this creep of, of, you know, Platonic 697 00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:57,820 dualism and like this philosophy that says no, like we need to, 698 00:45:57,910 --> 00:46:03,180 we need to escape our bodies and, and release, you know, our 699 00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:06,960 spirits to this, the fullness of what they ought to be, right? 700 00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:09,130 So I think that still creeps into like contemporary 701 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:12,270 Christianity and theology and philosophy, like how we talk is 702 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,290 like a lot of it contains kind of these these roots in this 703 00:46:16,300 --> 00:46:20,410 dualism where, you know, we we think inherently all the flesh, 704 00:46:20,420 --> 00:46:24,060 like my body's bad, my spirit, that's what's good and that's 705 00:46:24,070 --> 00:46:26,730 what's going to live forever. And so I gotta focus on that. 706 00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:31,400 Like Jesus isn't talking about this like spiritual salvation 707 00:46:31,410 --> 00:46:33,560 that happens absent from the body. 708 00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:38,420 He's talking about the whole self being healed and being 709 00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:42,840 restored and being remade the the way it was intended to be. 710 00:46:42,850 --> 00:46:44,590 And that includes spirit and includes mind. 711 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,770 It includes body includes soul, if you want to throw that in 712 00:46:46,780 --> 00:46:52,450 there as well. The whole person is meant to be 713 00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:56,430 recreated into the image of of Jesus. 714 00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,050 And you know, we know that that takes it takes it takes a long 715 00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:01,970 time. It's a process. 716 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,380 So when he says to this woman, go, go in peace. 717 00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:12,340 Your faith has saved you. Um, it's meant to contain so 718 00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:16,090 much more than just your faith has spiritually saved you so 719 00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,620 that when you die, you go to heaven. 720 00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:21,390 Yeah, he's saying. No, actually, your faith is 721 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,300 restoring you to life like all of who you are. 722 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:32,990 Yeah, Spirit. Mind body, your, your entire 723 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:38,810 life is being reordered by Jesus and by life inside the Kingdom. 724 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,990 And it's faith that that you know in large part enables it. 725 00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:46,670 The faith of Jesus and the faith of this this person, just like 726 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,470 it is for us, the faith of Jesus and the faith of this person. 727 00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:56,660 Whoever you know you may be, it's you know you were meant to. 728 00:47:56,710 --> 00:48:02,950 And like, listener, each of us were meant to find healing in a 729 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,070 relationship with with Jesus. Yeah. 730 00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,550 And so, yeah, like, it's not just that you don't just forget 731 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,630 the pieces of brokenness. Like, no, actually, those are 732 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,390 the things that God wants to deal with in a way that does 733 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,890 heal. So your faith has saved you. 734 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,400 It's this holistic picture of what it means to be healed. 735 00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:26,580 Hebrew word Shalom is a really good place to start, right? 736 00:48:27,010 --> 00:48:29,580 For those who have been around when we've talked about it and 737 00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:32,400 others who have preached, like we talk about this idea of 738 00:48:32,410 --> 00:48:37,210 Shalom and and peace and wholeness and health and 739 00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:42,280 restoration, like this is all of the goodness of like the way 740 00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:44,900 life was meant to be. And yeah, so your faith has 741 00:48:44,910 --> 00:48:48,570 saved you, Like I said, like it's, it's that full picture. 742 00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:52,880 Go in peace then is connected to which is the second part of your 743 00:48:52,890 --> 00:48:55,280 question. Go in peace is connected to that 744 00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:59,480 healing, to that salvation. So for Jesus to say go in peace 745 00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:06,250 continues that holistic redemptive work that that Jesus 746 00:49:06,260 --> 00:49:11,100 accomplishes in in our lives, which is again, not just 747 00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:15,150 individual spiritual sin and salvation. 748 00:49:15,950 --> 00:49:24,710 It, it is holistic life being reordered around what is truly 749 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:27,570 life giving and healthy for a human being. 750 00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:30,690 So for me that that means necessarily community. 751 00:49:30,740 --> 00:49:33,310 Yeah. Because I know that I can't 752 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,490 like, I'm not going to be the best version of myself in 753 00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:38,400 isolation, right? Like individual faith like that, 754 00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:43,210 that doesn't, you know, lead me into the best version of of 755 00:49:43,260 --> 00:49:46,370 myself even as a Christian, like individual spirituality, 756 00:49:46,380 --> 00:49:51,460 individual. Yeah, theology, whatever it is. 757 00:49:51,470 --> 00:49:55,840 Like none of that, none of that is the best version of itself in 758 00:49:55,850 --> 00:50:01,130 isolation. So I think it, it, there's, 759 00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:04,600 there's an, there is like a, there's an individual way to 760 00:50:04,610 --> 00:50:08,800 talk about peace and salvation and healing. 761 00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:12,700 And there needs to be. But I think it always 762 00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:18,660 necessarily leads toward the health and healing, wholeness, 763 00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:21,260 peace, restoration of a community. 764 00:50:21,350 --> 00:50:23,710 Yeah. And I do think that we've lost 765 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,220 some of that as a default, like I think the people of Israel, 766 00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:29,220 like by default, and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but 767 00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:34,110 like by default had these ways of talking about corporate sin 768 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:40,870 and corporate, the need for corporate repentance and then 769 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,430 corporate forgiveness and reconciliation. 770 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,150 Like as a people toward God, there was sin and there was 771 00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:53,670 redemption and this back and forth and we've taken it and 772 00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,700 made it just very individual when I think it was always meant 773 00:50:58,710 --> 00:51:02,210 to be lived out in community. So, you know, you and I need 774 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:05,650 community to be who God is creating us to be, and we know 775 00:51:05,660 --> 00:51:12,780 it, you know, And also I think we just need to talk about the 776 00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:18,920 fact that sin, salvation never meant to just be strictly 777 00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:22,030 individual. Yeah, it's always meant to be in 778 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,960 a community and wholeness, health, healing, all of that is, 779 00:51:27,010 --> 00:51:31,260 um, it's meant to be, it's meant to be lived in community again. 780 00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:35,220 So peace, the Greek word for peace, one of its roots actually 781 00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:38,050 means to like. And I don't have it in front of 782 00:51:38,060 --> 00:51:39,950 me, so I'm I'm not gonna remember exactly. 783 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:46,960 But to to mend into a whole is the the what one of the root 784 00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:49,100 words come means. Yeah. 785 00:51:49,150 --> 00:51:53,640 So to have peace with one another is to like bind up and 786 00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:56,110 mend back together into what is whole. 787 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,490 And so it's not just like peace isn't just like the cessation of 788 00:52:00,500 --> 00:52:04,410 conflict. Go your separate ways, pieces 789 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,290 mending, binding back together what is broken into a hole. 790 00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:11,490 Yeah. So for Jesus to say go in peace. 791 00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,790 That's why I think I get screams and this admittedly, like I 792 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,250 didn't I didn't create that. I didn't come up with that 793 00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:20,230 point. Fred Craddock, who wrote a great 794 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,170 commentary on the Gospel of Luke preacher in the States, pastor, 795 00:52:25,450 --> 00:52:29,340 He he's, you know, it's a question that he asks in his 796 00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:32,800 commentary, like where does one go when one is told to go in 797 00:52:32,810 --> 00:52:34,650 peace by Jesus? Yeah. 798 00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:39,080 And really the answer to that question, I think, is community, 799 00:52:39,130 --> 00:52:44,430 because of what peace really ought to look like. 800 00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:48,690 Yeah, again, it's not just individual like, oh, I feel 801 00:52:48,700 --> 00:52:52,950 better about my life. It's mending back together into 802 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:53,930 a whole. Yeah. 803 00:52:53,980 --> 00:52:55,990 What was disintegrated and broken. 804 00:52:56,670 --> 00:52:59,300 So that's that's where I think we get to community. 805 00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:05,120 So salvation like saved, healing, health, wholeness, 806 00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:10,630 peace mending, binding wholeness again, taking individual pieces 807 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:15,620 and binding them together into a hole in in my mind necessarily 808 00:53:15,630 --> 00:53:18,280 lands us in in community. Cool. 809 00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:20,390 Yeah. Call amazing. 810 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,190 Yeah, well, that's all. Hey, thank you. 811 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,090 Thanks Chris for being here. I appreciate. 812 00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:27,350 It my pleasure. Yeah, it's great to kind of go 813 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,340 back and forth on some of this. And friends, we hope that this 814 00:53:31,350 --> 00:53:34,690 encourage you, like encourages you wherever you are into your 815 00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:36,530 week. We do. 816 00:53:36,580 --> 00:53:39,410 Again, we want you to find yourself in community. 817 00:53:39,420 --> 00:53:42,420 So we're hoping and praying that you can wrestle out some of 818 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:46,810 these questions yourself with friends, with family, inside of 819 00:53:46,820 --> 00:53:50,550 relationship, and that in some measure, hey, I do rather bring 820 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:56,700 you peace and health and mending, binding back together 821 00:53:56,790 --> 00:54:01,320 of what maybe feels like fragmented and a little bit too 822 00:54:01,330 --> 00:54:04,260 individual sometimes. So blessings on your week. 823 00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:06,610 We're praying for you and we'll see you in the next episode.