1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,970 Hey friends, welcome to another episode of KPC Podcast And we 2 00:00:04,980 --> 00:00:08,810 have made it to Luke Chapter 7, which is a wonderful thing 3 00:00:08,820 --> 00:00:11,210 started into Luke 7:00 on Sunday yesterday. 4 00:00:11,220 --> 00:00:16,370 So yesterday for us recording. It could be any number of days 5 00:00:16,379 --> 00:00:20,190 in the past for you listening to this, but we're happy to be 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,420 having another conversation and unpacking some of what some of 7 00:00:25,430 --> 00:00:28,540 what was said on Sunday, some of the questions that have come up 8 00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:30,690 since, which is great. We love hearing the questions 9 00:00:30,700 --> 00:00:33,740 that you have and some of the things obviously that just don't 10 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:36,320 make it in always to to the sermon. 11 00:00:36,670 --> 00:00:40,160 And some of the stuff that ends up on the cutting room floor, 12 00:00:40,650 --> 00:00:44,100 which I'm sure as a name for a podcast is already taken. 13 00:00:44,350 --> 00:00:46,680 So I don't think we can use that one. 14 00:00:47,010 --> 00:00:49,970 However, that's the idea. Questions from you, questions 15 00:00:49,980 --> 00:00:54,060 that we have as we wrestle these texts out together and some of 16 00:00:54,070 --> 00:00:57,360 the things that don't make it into the message. 17 00:00:57,410 --> 00:01:02,430 Good points that just have to die ahead of the Sunday morning 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,550 and then we can revisit into the week again. 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,340 We like, we hope that this encourages you and challenges 20 00:01:08,350 --> 00:01:09,990 you. Maybe we can say things a little 21 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,790 bit differently. And these conversations more 22 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:18,210 than anything, what we hope that you do into your week is 23 00:01:18,220 --> 00:01:20,410 continue to have more conversation as well. 24 00:01:20,420 --> 00:01:23,430 So, you know, be it. Use some of our questions that 25 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,450 we talk about here to prompt your own conversations with 26 00:01:27,460 --> 00:01:31,420 friends and family. However that happens, that's our 27 00:01:31,430 --> 00:01:34,340 intention. So not just simply another 28 00:01:34,350 --> 00:01:36,040 reason for you to listen to our voices. 29 00:01:36,050 --> 00:01:41,020 No, that is the least good reason for the reason for this 30 00:01:41,030 --> 00:01:44,840 to exist. Yeah, that that to hopefully 31 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:50,870 respond to some questions and to provoke more dialogue and hope. 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,130 Provoke. Is it OK word there. 33 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:55,110 You know, it it provoke. It can be a good thing or maybe 34 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:56,890 not so good thing. Hopefully a good thing. 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,970 Yeah. So, yeah, Luke 7, we've got 36 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:03,990 these two stories. So this is coming out of Jesus 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,770 teaching on the sermon on the plane. 38 00:02:06,780 --> 00:02:11,310 And he's finished this teaching and you know, it says he's 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,930 finished these these these sayings. 40 00:02:12,940 --> 00:02:17,770 And then he went to where the people were in Capernaum and 41 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:25,750 Heels, these two individuals, Um, and I, I thought, you know, 42 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,350 they're two very different stories, but I appreciated the 43 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:37,110 way that you wove them together and just gave us opportunity for 44 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,470 reflection. And I think that that showed up 45 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,890 in, in conversations I've had with a few folks as well as a 46 00:02:42,900 --> 00:02:44,850 couple questions that, that we got. 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,680 Maybe, maybe it's worth reading though, before we, before we do 48 00:02:48,690 --> 00:02:49,450 that. So. 49 00:02:51,170 --> 00:02:52,900 So this is a different version. What do you got? 50 00:02:52,910 --> 00:02:54,640 There I got the NLT going this time. 51 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:58,400 And OHS man, preach. From the NIV we were eating SV 52 00:02:58,410 --> 00:03:03,130 last week and like why don't I read I can read the first 53 00:03:03,140 --> 00:03:03,770 section. Yeah. 54 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:05,190 And while you do that, I'm going to pull it. 55 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,310 Up. Great on here. 56 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,270 So again, this is the faith of the Roman officer or the 57 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,670 centurion. When Jesus had finished saying 58 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:14,910 all this to the people, he returned to Capernaum. 59 00:03:15,220 --> 00:03:19,440 At that time the highly valued slave of a Roman officer was 60 00:03:19,450 --> 00:03:22,390 sick and near death. When the officer heard about 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,350 Jesus, he sent some respected Jewish elders to ask him to come 62 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,030 and heal his slave. So they earnestly begged Jesus 63 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,200 to help the man. If anyone deserves your help, he 64 00:03:32,210 --> 00:03:36,720 does, they said, for he loves the Jewish people and even built 65 00:03:36,730 --> 00:03:40,380 a synagogue for us. So Jesus went with them. 66 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:43,380 But just before they arrived at the house, the officer sent some 67 00:03:43,390 --> 00:03:46,050 friends to say, Lord, don't trouble yourself by coming to my 68 00:03:46,060 --> 00:03:48,760 home, for I am not worthy of such an honor. 69 00:03:48,910 --> 00:03:51,240 I'm not even worthy to come and meet you. 70 00:03:51,450 --> 00:03:55,640 Just say the word from where you are, and my servant will be 71 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:58,760 healed. I know this because I am under 72 00:03:58,770 --> 00:04:02,440 the authority of my superior officers and I have authority 73 00:04:02,450 --> 00:04:05,520 over my soldiers. I only need to say go and they 74 00:04:05,530 --> 00:04:10,500 go or come and they come. And if I say to my slaves do 75 00:04:10,510 --> 00:04:12,940 this, they do it. When Jesus heard this, he was 76 00:04:12,950 --> 00:04:15,120 amazed. Turning to the crowd that was 77 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:17,649 following him, he said, I tell you, I haven't seen faith like 78 00:04:17,660 --> 00:04:21,600 this in all Israel. And when the officers friends 79 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:24,440 returned to his house, they found the slave completely 80 00:04:24,450 --> 00:04:28,550 healed. Soon afterward, Jesus went with 81 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,630 his disciples to the village of Maine, and a large crowd 82 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,040 followed him. A funeral procession was coming 83 00:04:35,050 --> 00:04:37,620 out as he approached the village gate. 84 00:04:37,810 --> 00:04:42,730 The young man who had died was a widow's only son, and a large 85 00:04:42,780 --> 00:04:44,940 crowd from the village was with her. 86 00:04:45,130 --> 00:04:49,340 When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion. 87 00:04:49,630 --> 00:04:52,600 Don't cry, he said. Then he walked over to the 88 00:04:52,610 --> 00:04:55,300 coffin and touched it, and the bearers stopped. 89 00:04:55,910 --> 00:04:59,170 Young man, he said, I tell you, get up. 90 00:04:59,710 --> 00:05:03,300 Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave 91 00:05:03,310 --> 00:05:07,540 him back to his mother. Great fear swept to the crowd 92 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:11,620 and they praised God, saying, a mighty prophet has arisen among 93 00:05:11,630 --> 00:05:15,500 us and God has visited his people today. 94 00:05:15,510 --> 00:05:20,560 And the news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the 95 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:27,040 surrounding countryside. A couple observations, one for 96 00:05:27,050 --> 00:05:31,040 each story, the for the first story of the centurion. 97 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,680 I think it's fascinating. And I wonder if you have any 98 00:05:34,690 --> 00:05:39,000 thoughts around this When, when Jesus says this and he's like, 99 00:05:39,010 --> 00:05:43,160 I, I have not seen faith like this in all of Israel. 100 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,780 That feels like, I wonder how they heard that. 101 00:05:49,300 --> 00:05:51,580 I wonder how the Israelites would have, would have, would 102 00:05:51,590 --> 00:05:55,050 they be like, like, wow, like way to throw shade at us, Jesus? 103 00:05:55,100 --> 00:05:58,690 Or would they, too, have marveled at his faith? 104 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,350 Yeah, I, I wonder if both, I didn't come across anybody 105 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,670 thinking or talking about that and I, I hadn't thought about it 106 00:06:07,740 --> 00:06:09,730 in that, in that way, so I appreciate it. 107 00:06:09,740 --> 00:06:14,690 I, I wonder if both of those things, like both of those 108 00:06:14,700 --> 00:06:19,560 statements can be true if there's a way in which we read 109 00:06:19,570 --> 00:06:23,580 this and you think, yeah, absolutely the people hearing 110 00:06:23,670 --> 00:06:29,160 would have felt some level of like slight by it or like, what 111 00:06:29,170 --> 00:06:32,050 are you talking about? I do think that there's a 112 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:35,880 reading of it that like this is very clearly in my mind. 113 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:39,280 And we, we touched on this on Sunday, but we didn't go too far 114 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:43,010 down this rabbit hole at that point because it would have been 115 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:46,950 that like, um, but it's significant that immediately 116 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,270 after the sermon on the plane where Jesus has unveiled so much 117 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:55,300 of the teaching of the Kingdom of God, he, the first thing he 118 00:06:55,310 --> 00:06:58,570 does is, is respond to a Gentiles faith. 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,650 And I do think it's a critique on, on Israel. 120 00:07:02,740 --> 00:07:05,880 I think it's also just Jesus way of like he has a way of just 121 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:07,700 saying what's true. Yeah. 122 00:07:08,060 --> 00:07:12,850 And so he's unveiled the Kingdom, and he says, hey, it's 123 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:15,450 gonna be for people who you don't expect. 124 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,480 And people who the world does not expect to be lifted up are 125 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:21,500 going to be lifted up. And people who the world would 126 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:28,190 see as small and insignificant are going to be prioritized and 127 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,020 do things that don't make sense, give extra measures of 128 00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:35,820 generosity and money without receiving anything in return, 129 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:42,980 and like, do things differently. And so I think it's just a 130 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:51,420 continuation of that for Jesus now to heal someone who's 131 00:07:51,930 --> 00:07:54,860 directly related to a Gentile. Like this is, this is the gospel 132 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:59,230 beginning to go out to, you know, beyond the people of 133 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,070 Israel. And in many ways, this is Jesus 134 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,130 as the Messiah leading Israel in the charge of like, we're gonna 135 00:08:07,140 --> 00:08:09,150 do the thing that we were created to do. 136 00:08:09,230 --> 00:08:11,090 We're going to bless other nations. 137 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:14,250 Like through us, they will receive God's blessing. 138 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:19,150 And so it's this I do think it's like the creep of like the IT 139 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,090 begins and then it explodes. But it's like, OK, here we go. 140 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:26,210 Jesus is starting to to push the boundary and he just says the 141 00:08:26,220 --> 00:08:30,590 thing that's true. Hey, you know, maybe you thought 142 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,039 that faith was only possible if you were a member of the 143 00:08:35,049 --> 00:08:36,650 covenant. People have got at the time of 144 00:08:36,659 --> 00:08:40,700 the the biblical Israel and Jesus is just saying that's not 145 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:45,730 true. So yeah, I think people might 146 00:08:45,740 --> 00:08:48,660 have seen that and been like, oh, what does that say about us? 147 00:08:48,860 --> 00:08:50,550 That's like a defensive posture, right? 148 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:52,330 Like you, you should be listening to that. 149 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:53,970 If it's like, what does that say about? 150 00:08:54,020 --> 00:08:57,770 It's like, I don't know. I don't know if this is if this 151 00:08:57,780 --> 00:09:04,950 is the same type of analogy or point, but you know, you hear 152 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:11,380 those stories of sort of jokes, lame kind of lame Christian 153 00:09:11,390 --> 00:09:14,320 jokey things where you're yet like people go into heaven. 154 00:09:14,330 --> 00:09:16,460 They're like, well, like the Presbyterians are surprised that 155 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:18,400 the Baptists are here, and the Baptists are surprised that the 156 00:09:18,410 --> 00:09:20,070 Methodists are here, and the Methodist surprised. 157 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,900 Looks like, you know, you get that like, kind of corny joke of 158 00:09:24,910 --> 00:09:29,880 a, you know, but a more serious or kind of, I don't know. 159 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,990 Yeah, more serious version of that is, you know, you get 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,740 somebody who lives their entire life in the church, does all the 161 00:09:36,750 --> 00:09:40,380 things, does them all well, lives a good life, like 162 00:09:40,390 --> 00:09:42,690 sacrifices. Like I didn't do this. 163 00:09:42,700 --> 00:09:45,080 I didn't do that. I didn't experiment here. 164 00:09:45,090 --> 00:09:49,620 I didn't blow money that way. Like I just, I did the thing. 165 00:09:49,630 --> 00:09:52,190 I did the right thing as much as possible all the way through my 166 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,030 life. You gonna tell me that the dude 167 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,700 who does all the wrong things all the way through his life, 168 00:09:56,710 --> 00:10:00,020 lives it up on his deathbed, accepts Jesus, gets to go to 169 00:10:00,030 --> 00:10:01,980 heaven. You're like, yeah, So, you know, 170 00:10:01,990 --> 00:10:05,010 poor, poor theology of what the Kingdom of God is. 171 00:10:05,020 --> 00:10:07,900 It's not just going to heaven. We die, but we say yes, 172 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:09,980 absolutely. Like there is forgiveness and 173 00:10:09,990 --> 00:10:12,360 salvation for that individual who on their deathbed goes. 174 00:10:12,430 --> 00:10:16,480 So like I, I do wonder if it's kind of similar to that. 175 00:10:16,490 --> 00:10:18,500 Like Jesus, are you serious? Yeah. 176 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:20,520 Like we did all the things. It's like, it's the older 177 00:10:20,530 --> 00:10:22,220 brother in the prodigal son, right? 178 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:23,880 It's the older brother. I stayed. 179 00:10:23,890 --> 00:10:26,220 I did all the work, like where's my party? 180 00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:29,340 And so I think that's a natural human response to it. 181 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:31,510 But that's the Kingdom. Like that's the gospel is like, 182 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,210 yes, for everybody at any point in their life. 183 00:10:35,220 --> 00:10:37,720 And we celebrate that. So, yeah, I think that's this is 184 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:42,190 this is just demonstrating that the Kingdom that he he brings 185 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:47,060 and continues to bring is not any longer. 186 00:10:47,810 --> 00:10:51,380 In fact, it never was only about biblical Israel. 187 00:10:51,570 --> 00:10:53,520 Now it's about everybody. So I, I do that. 188 00:10:53,770 --> 00:10:56,230 I also would just to touch on the other part, I, I would hope 189 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,400 that somebody would look and be like, hey, that guy didn't have 190 00:10:59,470 --> 00:11:03,960 the stories, the history, the tradition, the upbringing, the 191 00:11:03,970 --> 00:11:06,120 knowledge of it and he has faith. 192 00:11:06,630 --> 00:11:10,800 What does that say about Jesus? Like who is this guy really? 193 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,720 Because, you know, now it's not just people who've been primed 194 00:11:17,700 --> 00:11:21,970 to see the signs and recognize, ohhh, something's happening now. 195 00:11:21,980 --> 00:11:25,190 It's somebody who, yeah, he's just, he's just hearing about 196 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,890 Jesus. This guy's wandering around 197 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:32,030 healing people and performing various miracles and something's 198 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,430 going on. So I think there's there's a lot 199 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,520 of different ways to read it. The the Kingdom is spilling out. 200 00:11:37,580 --> 00:11:41,510 Yeah. And even even in the previous 201 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,890 chapters, some of the teaching there about loving, loving 202 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:48,310 enemies and, and, you know, the Centurion would have in many 203 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:53,510 contexts, he would be the enemy, literally, very literally. 204 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,950 Yeah. And And so it's, it's very, it's 205 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,930 very interesting that we see the way that this plays out directly 206 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:03,840 after. So it's very cool the the second 207 00:12:03,850 --> 00:12:07,720 thought I had, and I apologize because I didn't prime you for 208 00:12:07,730 --> 00:12:10,620 this love. It is as as we were reading 209 00:12:10,630 --> 00:12:14,910 this, this story of of Jesus raising the widows son. 210 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,430 It seems to draw some real parallels with with Elijah and 211 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,280 Elijah raising the widow's son. And I think it's second king is 212 00:12:26,290 --> 00:12:29,260 17 I. Think so somewhere, yeah. 213 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,310 And I just wonder if there's something going on there for for 214 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,760 us to explore, like if there is, because then at the end, what do 215 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:41,710 they say? A mighty prophet has risen among 216 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,360 us, right? So I wonder if they would have. 217 00:12:46,370 --> 00:12:49,860 Was that correct? Was I off? 218 00:12:50,090 --> 00:12:51,780 Or close. Why don't why don't you pull it 219 00:12:51,790 --> 00:12:52,640 up? Yeah. 220 00:12:52,650 --> 00:12:54,350 Sure. Yeah, this isn't. 221 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,340 This isn't. Quite maybe it's first Kings 222 00:12:56,350 --> 00:12:59,600 doesn't quite it I I feel like 17 is correct. 223 00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:05,960 So I think so right, like there, there you get similar to when 224 00:13:05,970 --> 00:13:11,080 Jesus raises Lazarus, like they're they're the only people. 225 00:13:12,050 --> 00:13:16,700 It's first kings. Yeah, the only people to this 226 00:13:16,710 --> 00:13:20,890 point, like, not many, not many, not many dead people are raised 227 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:22,870 to life. Period, period. 228 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,620 Scripture. Yeah. 229 00:13:24,250 --> 00:13:27,550 And you know, it's only been done by profits. 230 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:33,110 In fact, I think it might only be other, might only be Elijah. 231 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:49,510 Yeah, do you want to read some of Elijah 17 or First King 17 232 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,200 Elijah? Yeah, yeah. 233 00:13:51,210 --> 00:13:56,530 So the widows son, that's a long, it's a longer story, but 234 00:13:56,540 --> 00:13:59,610 eventually I think if you go down to 17 sometime later. 235 00:13:59,620 --> 00:14:03,350 So this is first Kings 1717. Sometime later the woman's son 236 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,730 became sick. He grew worse and worse and 237 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:08,230 finally he died. Then she said to Elijah, oh man 238 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,330 of God, what have you done to me? 239 00:14:10,380 --> 00:14:13,610 Have you come here to point out my sins and kill my son? 240 00:14:13,940 --> 00:14:16,230 But Elijah replied, give me your son. 241 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,990 And he took the child's body from her arms, carried him up to 242 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,630 the stairs of the room where he was staying, and laid the body 243 00:14:23,700 --> 00:14:26,630 on his bed that Elijah cried out to the Lord. 244 00:14:26,690 --> 00:14:30,420 Oh Lord my God, why have you brought this tragedy to this 245 00:14:30,430 --> 00:14:34,100 widow who has opened her home to me, causing her son to die? 246 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:37,360 And he stretched himself out over the child three times and 247 00:14:37,370 --> 00:14:40,600 cried out to the Lord. Oh Lord, my God, please let this 248 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:45,210 child's life return to him. The Lord heard Elijah's prayer, 249 00:14:45,220 --> 00:14:47,980 and the life of the child returned, and he revived. 250 00:14:48,030 --> 00:14:51,120 Then Elijah brought him down from the upper room and gave him 251 00:14:51,130 --> 00:14:54,280 to his mother. Look, he said your son is alive. 252 00:14:54,390 --> 00:14:58,050 Then the woman told Elijah. Now I know for sure that you are 253 00:14:58,060 --> 00:15:02,410 a man of God and that the Lord truly speaks through you. 254 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:04,710 OK. So a couple of similarities that 255 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,000 I noticed in a couple of differences. 256 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:12,450 First, the differences. Elijah prays to the Lord. 257 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,010 Would you do it? Would you heal this? 258 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:17,850 This boy? Right bags. 259 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,350 Yeah, like, yeah, like he is pleading. 260 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,130 Yeah. So in some ways, you know, he's 261 00:15:21,140 --> 00:15:23,370 doing the very thing that we spoke about. 262 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:30,110 Yeah, on Sunday that yeah, that I preached on was this this like 263 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,800 dragging someone to the feet of Jesus, maybe not literally, but 264 00:15:32,810 --> 00:15:37,730 like coming before God and and pleading on their behalf to God. 265 00:15:37,740 --> 00:15:40,220 Like this is this is a prayer of supplication. 266 00:15:40,230 --> 00:15:44,180 This is like, you know, petition, prayer, petition. 267 00:15:44,190 --> 00:15:48,310 This is this is Elijah begging, pleading with God forgot to do 268 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,530 something. God does the thing and in, you 269 00:15:54,540 --> 00:15:59,610 know, obviously for Jesus, he just does the thing as, as the 270 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:03,760 Lord himself, He does the thing. He doesn't pray to God. 271 00:16:03,810 --> 00:16:07,180 God, would you do this? He just, he does it. 272 00:16:07,450 --> 00:16:12,200 And so there are two lines. So that's, I mean, I think 273 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:14,020 obviously that's the main difference. 274 00:16:14,310 --> 00:16:20,380 There are two lines at the end of Luke 7 that I think do draw 275 00:16:20,390 --> 00:16:23,320 these stories forward. And again, we touched a little 276 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:26,340 bit on it, but a mighty prophet has risen among us. 277 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:31,360 So this is a common language. People don't know whether Jesus 278 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:34,300 is a prophet. Is he the Messiah? 279 00:16:34,690 --> 00:16:37,970 Is he something else? You know, trying to work out who 280 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:38,750 he is. Yeah. 281 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,220 And actually, you know, what we're going to see next, this 282 00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:46,600 coming Sunday, next week, is this discourse between Jesus and 283 00:16:46,610 --> 00:16:50,870 John, the Baptists, messengers. So John's in prison at this 284 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,950 point. And messengers come. 285 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,600 There's this dial, you know, back and forth with them. 286 00:16:56,660 --> 00:17:01,170 And it's almost like John doesn't know who Jesus is 287 00:17:01,180 --> 00:17:04,130 anymore because he's like, hey, you're not doing the things that 288 00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:06,839 I expected you to do. So can we talk about that, Like, 289 00:17:06,849 --> 00:17:09,359 what's going on? And so people are still trying 290 00:17:09,369 --> 00:17:12,630 to figure out who Jesus is at this point in the Gospel of Luke 291 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,280 and in how Luke is unfolding the narrative they're trying to 292 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:17,170 figure out. One of the things that we see is 293 00:17:17,180 --> 00:17:20,270 that people ask repeatedly, is he a prophet? 294 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,329 Surely he's a great if he can do this and he's a great prophet. 295 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,660 And I do think that when we talk about Jesus, and sorry, this is 296 00:17:27,670 --> 00:17:29,580 kind of a rambling way of answering this question, but 297 00:17:30,420 --> 00:17:34,160 when we talk about Jesus, we talk about Jesus filling the 298 00:17:34,170 --> 00:17:37,820 threefold office. So Jesus is prophet, priest and 299 00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:39,020 king. And I think we've talked about 300 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:43,220 this before on the podcast. So Jesus is prophet, he is 301 00:17:43,230 --> 00:17:51,110 priest and he is is king. Where Israel has had prophets 302 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:58,540 separate priests and kings, Jesus is the fulfillment of all 303 00:17:58,550 --> 00:18:02,750 of those institutions. So this really is like they're 304 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,260 recognizing him has as profit. He's not a prophet who needs to 305 00:18:06,270 --> 00:18:11,770 beg to God on someone's behalf. Though he is also priest, he is 306 00:18:11,780 --> 00:18:13,940 also king. Like he is Messiah. 307 00:18:13,950 --> 00:18:20,280 He is Lord, so he is able to act on this child's behalf, 308 00:18:20,650 --> 00:18:25,100 interceding for him and then speech. 309 00:18:25,110 --> 00:18:26,510 So I think he is acting as profit. 310 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,690 I think people are recognizing him as as prophet. 311 00:18:28,850 --> 00:18:32,560 People are seeing something is going on here because they have 312 00:18:32,610 --> 00:18:37,280 these stories and because they know like, listen, like we've 313 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:40,240 seen this done before and that guy was a great prophet. 314 00:18:41,750 --> 00:18:44,160 So something's going on. So I do think some similarities 315 00:18:44,170 --> 00:18:47,120 there, even just in the language, right, gives like 316 00:18:47,130 --> 00:18:49,300 gives a sound back to the to the mom, right. 317 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:54,120 Here's your son again, Jesus says. 318 00:18:54,130 --> 00:18:59,180 I tell you, get up. And Elijah pleads to God, Yeah, 319 00:18:59,190 --> 00:19:01,940 God heal him, raise him right, bring him back to life. 320 00:19:02,010 --> 00:19:06,810 And then the second line. God has visited his people today 321 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,080 and in the NLT. I like this. 322 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:13,570 This is a much more literal translation of the line because 323 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,800 again, it is it is picking up on the stories through the Old 324 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:21,890 Testament where God visits his people and that that language is 325 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:27,770 used that when God visits you, it's not like, oh, I dropped by 326 00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:30,790 with coffee right? Though maybe like maybe that's 327 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,710 maybe that's exactly what you need. 328 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:42,060 This is like, yeah, God has shown up and in power and with 329 00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:46,320 very real presence done something significant in our 330 00:19:46,330 --> 00:19:48,760 midst. Yeah, we've seen it and we're 331 00:19:48,770 --> 00:19:54,470 all walking away changed. So again, we see moments like 332 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:59,410 this where this would have been considered like God visiting the 333 00:19:59,420 --> 00:20:01,600 people. So now I know for sure that you 334 00:20:01,610 --> 00:20:04,450 are a man of God and that the Lord truly speaks through you. 335 00:20:04,510 --> 00:20:06,290 Yeah. So like God's presence is there 336 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:09,310 in and through Elijah in this situation. 337 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:11,240 And and God is visiting his people. 338 00:20:11,250 --> 00:20:14,090 He's certainly visiting this house, raising the kid. 339 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:17,690 And so, yeah, I I think that inasmuch as. 340 00:20:18,650 --> 00:20:21,520 The there are similarities in the healing. 341 00:20:21,530 --> 00:20:26,740 There's very much, I think, similarities in how people are 342 00:20:26,750 --> 00:20:29,820 seeing it in and interacting with Jesus. 343 00:20:30,030 --> 00:20:33,640 Yeah, I wonder whether or not they would have, whether they 344 00:20:33,650 --> 00:20:36,400 would have like remembered, you know, like we talked about in 345 00:20:36,410 --> 00:20:39,260 the in the sermon that people have this cultural memory and 346 00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:44,500 and this heritage that you have to think that oh, like he's, 347 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:47,360 he's like Elijah, you know, because they, they, they, they 348 00:20:47,370 --> 00:20:50,100 will compare him other points to Elijah and. 349 00:20:50,110 --> 00:20:51,800 And is he Elijah? Is he the prophet? 350 00:20:51,810 --> 00:20:52,800 Is he? Yeah. 351 00:20:52,810 --> 00:20:56,360 Loses, you know, and, and I think that what we consistently 352 00:20:56,370 --> 00:21:02,690 see here is is Jesus showing us he's like I yes, yes, I am like 353 00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:06,820 Elijah and and greater, you know, and, and you see that even 354 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:09,880 just in the way that he, he doesn't have to plead to God the 355 00:21:09,890 --> 00:21:11,180 Father. He just does it right. 356 00:21:11,190 --> 00:21:13,580 So so there's there's something really cool there. 357 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,830 I like to think like you put it. I like to think that they would 358 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,710 remember, be like, ohhh, we've seen this before. 359 00:21:19,780 --> 00:21:22,150 Yeah. OK, yeah, something's going on. 360 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,390 It's like just rekindling some of that cultural memory and awe 361 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,150 and wonder. Good. 362 00:21:29,370 --> 00:21:33,040 So those are like those are the softball questions. 363 00:21:33,050 --> 00:21:37,420 Now we now we're getting into some, I said we're challenging 364 00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:40,060 territory, which is great. And there's a couple, a couple 365 00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:44,690 folks from the church who had some really good challenging 366 00:21:44,700 --> 00:21:47,930 questions that are connected to the text, connected to some of 367 00:21:47,940 --> 00:21:53,320 your you're expanding on, on the text. 368 00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:56,420 When we talked about, you know, the, the bold faith of this 369 00:21:56,670 --> 00:22:02,280 romance centurion and, and how he doesn't, he's like, you don't 370 00:22:02,290 --> 00:22:05,140 even need to come, just just do it, you know, like I just, I 371 00:22:05,150 --> 00:22:06,940 know you can do it, just do it right. 372 00:22:07,100 --> 00:22:13,080 And and so when we talk about that type of bold prayer, and 373 00:22:13,090 --> 00:22:15,890 then you touched on on maybe did you don't know if you used the 374 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:19,660 word meek prayers or or think about how you phrase that 375 00:22:19,670 --> 00:22:22,510 exactly. But this idea of like there are, 376 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,230 there are bold prayers and then there are prayers where we're 377 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,830 sort of hedging our bets a little. 378 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,800 Bit yeah, safe. Safe prayers, safe prayers. 379 00:22:31,050 --> 00:22:33,990 And so I want to unpack that. So someone, you know, brought up 380 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,780 the question of, of expanding on your thoughts on safe prayers 381 00:22:40,340 --> 00:22:44,060 and that we want to make sure that, you know, we're here. 382 00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:46,860 We're saying this well and and correctly because otherwise 383 00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:49,650 there could be room for for being misconstrued, because when 384 00:22:49,660 --> 00:22:54,740 we say something like, if it is your will, that's not wrong to 385 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:57,240 pray that Jesus, Jesus praised that in the garden, right? 386 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:02,820 And there is a sense in which, you know, praying with deference 387 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:11,530 to God's will is a good thing. And so how do we, how do we do 388 00:23:11,540 --> 00:23:13,490 that? How do we do that rightly and 389 00:23:13,500 --> 00:23:18,690 well? And I think maybe even this may 390 00:23:18,700 --> 00:23:20,550 be a Part 2 that we'll get to in a moment. 391 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,970 But like, where my head goes sometimes is like, yeah, 392 00:23:22,980 --> 00:23:28,380 sometimes I'm, I can muster up bold prayers and sometimes all 393 00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:33,570 I've got is a meek little God. Can you just do something, 394 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:36,540 please, if you will, you know, like, like, so that's sometimes 395 00:23:36,550 --> 00:23:38,350 all I've got, right. And so I'm thinking through the 396 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:40,770 lens of folks who are maybe dealing with some challenging 397 00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:44,300 circumstances and situations. And, and it's like, how, how do 398 00:23:44,310 --> 00:23:50,030 they, how can they pray boldly? Well, yeah, with with musing on 399 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,290 a little bit. Yeah, so, so great question. 400 00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,290 I'm flipping over to Matthew 26, which is where Jesus does pray 401 00:24:00,300 --> 00:24:05,050 in the Garden of Gethsemane. And also Matthew 7 with or six 402 00:24:05,060 --> 00:24:08,160 rather 6, which is where Jesus teaches on the Sermon on the 403 00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:12,230 Mount in Matthew on prayer, where we get the the Lord's 404 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,230 Prayer in. You know, they're pretty 405 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:19,340 traditional Lord's Prayer language, right? 406 00:24:19,350 --> 00:24:22,990 Like there's the Gospel Matthew. I pulled up Hebrews 4 because I 407 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:24,630 think. There's something in there as 408 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,100 well. So I I think the first thing 409 00:24:28,110 --> 00:24:31,800 that the first thing that I want to say though, is like it's 410 00:24:31,810 --> 00:24:34,580 really interesting. There's CS Lewis points this out 411 00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:39,850 in an article that he wrote. Obviously he wrote before he 412 00:24:39,860 --> 00:24:43,220 died, obviously, but it was published after he died. 413 00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:45,340 He wrote it, I think for a journal. 414 00:24:45,410 --> 00:24:47,580 It wasn't really intended to be published. 415 00:24:47,650 --> 00:24:51,240 Like he didn't edit it for publication beyond and he was 416 00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:55,760 requested to send it in. So it was published posthumously 417 00:24:56,050 --> 00:25:02,710 to greater degree where he muses on this idea that that there are 418 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:11,670 two almost competing patterns of of prayer offered in the 419 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:17,380 scriptures by Jesus and just wrestling that out. 420 00:25:17,490 --> 00:25:21,880 So what he calls pattern A is the the Gethsemane prayer. 421 00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:27,850 So in in Matthew 26, so like Jesus, this is before his death. 422 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,140 He tells his disciples he's like, hey, sit here, I'm going 423 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:33,590 to go over there while I pray. And so he goes like, listen, 424 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,290 like my soul is crushed with grief to the point of death. 425 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:39,580 Stay here, keep watch goes on a little further. 426 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,970 And then this is where he gets the prayer. 427 00:25:41,980 --> 00:25:45,150 Like my father, if it is possible, let this cup of 428 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,020 suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, 429 00:25:49,030 --> 00:25:51,790 not mine. So your will be done, not my 430 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,690 will. And so was his kind of teases 431 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:59,860 out like this is Pattern A, Yeah, this, this is my will. 432 00:26:00,470 --> 00:26:03,470 This is what I'm praying for. This is what I'm asking for. 433 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:11,640 Your will be done and almost like a God bend my will to 434 00:26:11,650 --> 00:26:16,800 yours, right? So he, he calls this pattern A 435 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:21,290 and it it would kind of be, I think, you know, I think he even 436 00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:24,150 says, like I'd be perfectly content in my heart and in my 437 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,950 head if this was the only way we were told to pray by Jesus, 438 00:26:28,210 --> 00:26:31,350 right, Because you can kind of you can surrender your will to 439 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:36,810 God and also like you can live in that, in that tension, in 440 00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:40,420 that reality of this is what this is what I'm praying for. 441 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:42,650 And this is what I'm asking for. And I am asking for building 442 00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:43,960 strongly. Like this is the thing. 443 00:26:43,970 --> 00:26:48,130 I'm not skirting around it. I'm not sort of SEO sidestepping 444 00:26:48,140 --> 00:26:51,050 it like this is the thing, but I want to acknowledge your well, 445 00:26:51,060 --> 00:26:55,390 it's also what we see in right in the Sermon on the Mount. 446 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,690 So he says our Father in heaven, may your name be kept holy or 447 00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:02,290 hallowed be your name, Mayor, Kingdom come, may your will be 448 00:27:02,300 --> 00:27:03,770 done on earth as it is in heaven. 449 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,290 So again, like this is Jesus's way of teaching on prayer. 450 00:27:07,300 --> 00:27:10,360 He is teaching that we pray for God's will to be done. 451 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:16,500 So you know, I I certainly don't I certainly don't don't you 452 00:27:16,510 --> 00:27:19,990 know, want to suggest to people that that praying your will be 453 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,170 done. God is a bad prayer. 454 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,340 I think what I said on Sunday was that I think sometimes we 455 00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:27,880 can pray it as a safe prayer, right? 456 00:27:27,930 --> 00:27:32,300 Safe prayers aren't necessarily bad and they're not necessarily 457 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:35,880 wrong. I think they are safe to the 458 00:27:35,890 --> 00:27:40,220 extent that it again, this is hard to it's I think hard to 459 00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:47,090 quantify, but it's, it's more of a heart and mind posture than it 460 00:27:47,100 --> 00:27:50,670 is the words you're saying. So if you can come in, if you 461 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:56,280 can pray, your will be done at the same time as you're praying 462 00:27:56,330 --> 00:28:01,300 bold specific prayers. But God, would you do this? 463 00:28:01,310 --> 00:28:03,180 God, God, do this thing. Yeah. 464 00:28:03,220 --> 00:28:08,900 I am surrendering and holding my will lightly because I recognize 465 00:28:08,910 --> 00:28:12,600 your goodness and your will ultimately will be done. 466 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:16,820 Then that's fantastic, right? If you can, If you can do that, 467 00:28:16,910 --> 00:28:18,490 I think. And what I suggested on Sunday 468 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:24,720 was that sometimes we use it as a, as an emotional seat belt or 469 00:28:24,730 --> 00:28:29,950 like safeguard so that if our prayer isn't answered, we can 470 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,190 just dismiss it as well. That's God's will. 471 00:28:33,300 --> 00:28:37,650 And I think that is a safe prayer because it it what it 472 00:28:37,660 --> 00:28:42,770 doesn't do is it doesn't force us or draw us to a position 473 00:28:42,780 --> 00:28:47,170 where we are really wrestling out why something didn't happen. 474 00:28:48,410 --> 00:28:50,780 Which we'll come back to in a in a little bit. 475 00:28:50,990 --> 00:28:52,800 Yeah, second question. Yeah, yeah. 476 00:28:52,850 --> 00:28:56,380 So exactly. So I think it's safe because it 477 00:28:56,390 --> 00:29:00,600 allows me to dismiss prayers that aren't answered the way I 478 00:29:00,610 --> 00:29:04,930 want simply as God's will, when that might not be the case. 479 00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:08,280 It might. It might be that you're. 480 00:29:08,290 --> 00:29:11,520 It might be that your prayer is not answered yet. 481 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,590 It might be that it like. It might be that Gad's actually 482 00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:22,960 challenging you to grow and change and approach something 483 00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:24,720 differently. Like there might be other things 484 00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:28,890 at play, right? Like there, there might, you 485 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:32,410 might be asking out of poor motivation. 486 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:35,990 It like there's a whole lot of different. 487 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,450 I think there's a lot of different ways of thinking about 488 00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:43,640 why a prayer is not answered. Yeah, yes, like, absolutely. 489 00:29:43,690 --> 00:29:46,410 It all happens. It all rises or falls with God's 490 00:29:46,420 --> 00:29:49,140 will. Like that's the reality of it. 491 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:54,250 But I think where I see it being a safe prayer is the prayer 492 00:29:54,260 --> 00:29:57,110 wasn't answered the way you want, so you dismiss it as as 493 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:02,150 God's will. Well, maybe you, maybe you 494 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,290 didn't like, I'm not, I'm not gonna say maybe maybe you didn't 495 00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:08,410 pray the prayer correctly, but. But it's a dangerous game to. 496 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:10,190 Play. No, exactly, but, but maybe 497 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:17,180 actually what you were asking for is not a, what I would say 498 00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:22,380 like a like a good or correct prayer in line with God's 499 00:30:22,390 --> 00:30:24,990 Spirit. And if you just dismiss it, but 500 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,080 well, God didn't answer that because it's not inside of his 501 00:30:27,090 --> 00:30:29,090 will. What you're not allowing God to 502 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:31,930 do is challenge that. No, actually, the way in which 503 00:30:31,940 --> 00:30:34,020 you're approaching prayer needs to change. 504 00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:37,240 But if you just dismiss it, you can hold it at arm's length 505 00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:40,270 because it's the only reason that that my prayer wasn't 506 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,010 answered answered is because it's God's will. 507 00:30:42,060 --> 00:30:44,770 Hmm. Then I'm not being confronted or 508 00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:49,660 changed or challenged by any sort of reality that maybe I 509 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,830 need my heart to shift on something. 510 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,790 And I think that's where I that's where I'm going with this 511 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,530 idea. So yeah. 512 00:30:58,540 --> 00:31:00,730 Go ahead. It brings up some very 513 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,410 existential questions about, about the nature of prayer and 514 00:31:05,420 --> 00:31:08,850 whether or not prayers are in fact effectual. 515 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,910 And, and, and I mean, it seems like going back to the, the, the 516 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:20,860 story of the centurion, like man, like he, his, his prayer, 517 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:23,040 even though, I mean, it wasn't really a, it almost wasn't a 518 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:24,660 prayer. It was just like, hey, Jesus, 519 00:31:24,670 --> 00:31:26,420 can you do the thing? I'm gonna send a messenger to 520 00:31:26,430 --> 00:31:30,740 ask you to do the thing. But like, he was almost like 521 00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:35,780 just a matter of fact, right? But like I, I worry, I worry for 522 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:40,690 myself cause I, I wrestle with like, OK, I contend to hedge my 523 00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:43,710 prayers. I contend to sort of, you know, 524 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,010 do exactly what you're saying. Like, Hey, God, if, if you know, 525 00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:50,770 if this is your will, great. If not, help me to accept that. 526 00:31:50,940 --> 00:31:53,660 And, and I think there are, there is, again, there's nothing 527 00:31:53,670 --> 00:31:56,220 wrong with that, But I think sometimes what I might be 528 00:31:56,230 --> 00:32:00,050 missing there is God, what are you actually calling for me to 529 00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:02,710 do in that moment? How are you calling me to be 530 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:07,150 changed in this process and refined in this process? 531 00:32:08,860 --> 00:32:12,610 And, and that's, that's something that I that I need to 532 00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:17,050 be reminded of. And yet I also still, you know, 533 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:20,110 I know this gets into some, some deeper, you know, wonderings, 534 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,430 but I still wonder if there are times when not that we can twist 535 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,650 God's arm, but that God that we can, that we can actually have a 536 00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:30,950 genuine dialogue about, about God. 537 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,160 You know, we see that a few times in Scripture where where 538 00:32:33,170 --> 00:32:36,290 they're like, Hey, like God, we could you change your mind on 539 00:32:36,300 --> 00:32:39,390 this one, please? You know, and even thinking 540 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,090 about the Psalms, there's a number of times in the Psalms 541 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:44,890 where where they're pleading with God that God, would you do 542 00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:47,270 this thing? And I think the phrase is like 543 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,230 for your namesake, like, hey, like your honor is at stake here 544 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,730 if you don't do this God. So like God, would you do this, 545 00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:55,710 right? And there's something pretty 546 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,990 bold about that. Like there's something 547 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,270 significant there that that is in that God like, hey, do this 548 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,010 because your name is great. I know your name is great. 549 00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:06,990 So would you do it? Yeah. 550 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,740 So to flip to the pattern B, so pattern A is your will be done 551 00:33:11,890 --> 00:33:16,350 and it's a right way. It is a right way to pray when 552 00:33:16,590 --> 00:33:20,050 it is prayed, I think with ultimate surrender to God's 553 00:33:20,060 --> 00:33:22,620 authority and I want to loop back to that authority. 554 00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:31,710 But pattern B is like John 14 where Jesus says starting in 12. 555 00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:35,250 So this is like I can't remember off the top of my head, which is 556 00:33:35,260 --> 00:33:36,330 bad. Like if this is part of the 557 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:39,170 farewell discourse. Anyways, this is in the Gospel 558 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:41,670 of John. There are many chapters where 559 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,630 Jesus is laying down kind of some final teachings and 560 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,370 conversation. I believe it is at any rate, 561 00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:52,030 this is where you get like the grape. 562 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,060 I'm I, you know, I'm the Grapevine. 563 00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:58,800 My father is the gardener. It's where Jesus predicts Peter, 564 00:33:58,810 --> 00:34:03,630 Peter's denial. And at any rate, in 14, Jesus 565 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,990 says, I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will 566 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,590 do the same works I have done and even greater works because I 567 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,389 am going to be with the Father. You can ask for anything in my 568 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,290 name, and I will do it so that the sun can bring glory to the 569 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:18,350 Father. Yes. 570 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,610 Ask me for anything in my name and I will do it. 571 00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:23,389 So this is pattern B? Yeah. 572 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,790 Where CS Lewis goes. What's going on? 573 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,250 Yeah, we got pattern A. We got pattern B. 574 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,389 And what he starts to tease out anyways, they say their 575 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,830 thoughts, right? That he's externally processing 576 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,600 this. I think what many of us under in 577 00:34:39,610 --> 00:34:45,100 prayer is like, yeah, your will be done and also you say to ask 578 00:34:45,110 --> 00:34:46,940 for it. So help me live in that tension. 579 00:34:46,949 --> 00:34:52,429 But this this second, the pattern B seems to point us 580 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,010 toward that reality that Jesus says ask for anything in my name 581 00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:59,150 and I will do it with where I was gonna go is CS Lewis points 582 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:04,610 out that in my name doesn't mean that little pithy like in Jesus 583 00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:05,310 name. Amen. 584 00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:10,490 Yeah, like let me let me let me list my whole laundry list of of 585 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,570 items that I want you to do Yeah. 586 00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:16,770 And air all my dirty like let me get all the names of all the 587 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:20,570 people I despise the most included in this prayer and like 588 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:26,490 you know, in Jesus name, Amen, like you're so it's it's in 589 00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:31,990 Jesus name. I think really is like asking my 590 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:39,690 name is ask in in the spirit of who Jesus is and in the spirit 591 00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,470 of the Kingdom. Is your prayer aligned with who 592 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,650 Jesus is? Is it aligned with how how Jesus 593 00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:49,550 puts it here? He says because I'm going to the 594 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,560 Father, but then he says I will do it so that the Son can bring 595 00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:56,640 glory to the Father. So does your prayer bring glory 596 00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:58,950 to Jesus and does it bring glory to God? 597 00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:05,050 Is your prayer a prayer that's born out of God's goodness in 598 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:09,340 you or, you know, is it like David who who really like, well, 599 00:36:09,350 --> 00:36:13,480 smite these guys and kill those guys and destroy my enemies 600 00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:15,440 here? There's a place for all of it. 601 00:36:15,530 --> 00:36:19,080 There's a place for all of it. But you know, I do think that in 602 00:36:19,090 --> 00:36:23,430 Jesus name matters for your namesake, right? 603 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,980 Similar. I think in the spirit of I wrote 604 00:36:26,990 --> 00:36:31,830 down a couple notes. So like Jesus has a number of 605 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,490 places. So Matthew 9 Jesus turned to her 606 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:37,870 and said, said to her, take heart daughter, your faith has 607 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,790 made you well, right. There are these moments where we 608 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,610 see Jesus he he is he is asked to do something. 609 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,680 He does it. He says, Hey, go, your faith has 610 00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:51,570 made you well, Matthew 8 centurion, difference centurion. 611 00:36:51,580 --> 00:36:57,380 And in that story, at any rate, let's go like faith has made you 612 00:36:57,390 --> 00:36:59,850 well be healed. Like there's, there's, there are 613 00:36:59,860 --> 00:37:03,820 these very direct interactions between Jesus and, and those 614 00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:08,980 that he's healing where, where it does seem like it's the 615 00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:13,400 request or you get the woman who reaches out, touches Jesus and 616 00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:17,800 says, like, yeah, your faith to act has, has made you well, has 617 00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:21,740 brought you to a place where where Jesus was able to do the 618 00:37:21,750 --> 00:37:25,720 thing. Now, what we see over and over 619 00:37:25,730 --> 00:37:30,610 again is that all the things Jesus does, healing, releasing 620 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:34,110 of spirits, casting out demons, those types of things, all of it 621 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,910 are in line with the Kingdom. Never once does Jesus answer a 622 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,020 prayer to do something that's out of line with the Kingdom. 623 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:47,420 So I think that's the piece. Henry now in talks about prayer 624 00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:51,640 as this continual conversation with God and I love that. 625 00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:56,820 And so again, he in a paper or might it might be a chapter of a 626 00:37:56,830 --> 00:38:02,560 book, I can't remember. He he muses on his own prayer 627 00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:04,900 life and he's like, what good is it for me to sit down for 20 628 00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:07,270 minutes and just dwell on all the people I don't like? 629 00:38:08,140 --> 00:38:10,210 Like, it's like, that doesn't do me any good. 630 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,840 So he's like, you know, trying to get away from this, this kind 631 00:38:12,850 --> 00:38:14,740 of, I'm going to sit down, I'm going to pray, and then I'm 632 00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:17,950 going to get up and I'm gonna do the rest of my life right. 633 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,400 It's it's Paul's language that he develops in in in 634 00:38:21,410 --> 00:38:26,100 Thessalonians Prey constantly and other letters pray without 635 00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:32,470 ceasing. I think prayer life needs to be 636 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,620 this continual conversation with God and wrestling it out, and 637 00:38:37,630 --> 00:38:43,090 that's what allows it to both be a place where we can ask boldly 638 00:38:43,380 --> 00:38:46,970 and also continually have our wills bent and shaped to God's 639 00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:49,410 will. Yeah, I was just reminded as as 640 00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:51,210 we were talking about this, I was reminded of, yeah, in 641 00:38:51,220 --> 00:38:57,420 Hebrews 4 where the writer who he won't speculate on, you know, 642 00:38:57,430 --> 00:39:00,280 after, after talking about Jesus as high priest. 643 00:39:00,290 --> 00:39:03,160 So we've been Jesus prophet and here as high priests. 644 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:08,000 Let us then approach God's throne of grace with confidence 645 00:39:08,050 --> 00:39:10,760 so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our 646 00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:13,640 time of need. And, and, and so like we are 647 00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:17,620 encouraged to do that right. We are encouraged to come 648 00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:21,930 forward with with with boldness with confidence. 649 00:39:22,500 --> 00:39:26,050 And yet again, I I'm also recognizing temp tempering that 650 00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:32,510 against reality that there are times when that feels maybe 651 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,790 impossible for us to muster up, right? 652 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,800 We can't just, that's not always something you can just kind of 653 00:39:37,940 --> 00:39:40,990 decide I'm going to, I'm going to be confident in my approach 654 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,570 to God today, right? No. 655 00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:45,550 And so that's where I wonder, like there's, there's a role for 656 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,270 community to play here, right? That sometimes my prayers are 657 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,790 going to be meek because that's all I can muster. 658 00:39:52,980 --> 00:39:57,230 But I know that there are others who are going to have, you know, 659 00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,610 we borrow their faith and they are praying boldly and they are, 660 00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,980 you know, and. And so I've just been reflecting 661 00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:05,620 on that a little bit here as well. 662 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:10,320 Yeah, and and right, this is This is why it's beautiful that 663 00:40:10,450 --> 00:40:15,000 the so Pentecost on Sunday, the Spirit intercedes on our behalf. 664 00:40:15,050 --> 00:40:17,760 When you don't even know what to pray, when you can't muster up 665 00:40:17,770 --> 00:40:21,940 the words, the Spirit groans, right size of the Spirit, these 666 00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:27,660 deep groans of both, you know, spiritual reality, like like 667 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:31,240 language and life of the Holy Spirit, who is God. 668 00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:36,320 And the the sort of you can picture like the deep groanings 669 00:40:36,330 --> 00:40:39,730 and longings of human existence, which is like, I don't even know 670 00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:42,730 what to pray for the spirits interceding on your behalf. 671 00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:46,270 Like that's a beautiful gift. So I'm not, I'm not suggesting 672 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:53,590 that you need to at all times be able to pray the best correct, 673 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,290 bold prayer you can, right? Thank goodness. 674 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,620 Right what I'm and nor am I contrasting bold prayers with 675 00:41:00,630 --> 00:41:07,290 like meek, grief stricken or desperate prayers where you 676 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,650 don't like moments where you don't even know what to say. 677 00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:12,550 I'm not contrasting those what I would. 678 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,150 What I'm contrasting is the difference between a bold prayer 679 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,360 and a safe prayer. Yeah. 680 00:41:19,220 --> 00:41:25,700 Because the bold prayer risks disappointment and risks the 681 00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:31,180 answer being no, not in the way you're asking for, right? 682 00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:34,900 So the bold part doesn't always get answered yes, but the bold 683 00:41:34,910 --> 00:41:37,080 prayer is saying what what you actually are. 684 00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:42,110 In fact, I think saying to greater degree is I surrender my 685 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,340 will to you because this is my will, this is what I want, this 686 00:41:46,350 --> 00:41:49,200 is what I'm asking for. Please do it. 687 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:53,190 There's no denying whether God is like, if he does it or if he 688 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,790 doesn't. Like if the answer is yes, then 689 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,560 it's a yes. And if it's a no, then it's a 690 00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:58,800 no. And some way I know this, like 691 00:41:58,810 --> 00:42:01,070 sometimes it's a, you know, it's not yet it's working these 692 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,210 things out, it's stuff and you have to change anyways. 693 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:06,800 What? You're risking being wrong, and 694 00:42:06,810 --> 00:42:11,080 that's why it's not a safe. Prayer safe prayer is almost 695 00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:16,840 feel like they they don't get a response. 696 00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:20,020 And what what by that I mean just like it's it's almost like, 697 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:24,340 well, whatever, they just feel they feel a little almost 698 00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:27,140 impotent in some ways. Like that is like, well, if God 699 00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:30,320 answers, cool. If he doesn't, cool. 700 00:42:30,330 --> 00:42:32,000 If he, you know, like it just yeah. 701 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:34,220 Yeah. And if it's yes, great, I was 702 00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:37,050 right. And if it's no, then I can just 703 00:42:37,060 --> 00:42:40,430 dismiss. It protect myself from feeling 704 00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,830 all the feelings of I'm not answering the prayer the way I. 705 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,500 Want exactly, exactly. But you gotta like, you look at 706 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:49,310 like David and I want to come back to David and Sam 42 with 707 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,590 our next question. But you look at David, dudes 708 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,950 asking bold, very specific prayers and he's going to know 709 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,610 whether they're answered or not. And I was like, I go, hey, 710 00:42:58,620 --> 00:43:01,980 risky, right? Like it's, it's not a safe place 711 00:43:01,990 --> 00:43:05,140 to throw everything out to God. It was like, this is absolutely 712 00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:08,470 all of it and something's changing. 713 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,130 Either God's answering it in the way you want or he's not answer 714 00:43:12,140 --> 00:43:13,690 like he's answering in a way you don't want. 715 00:43:13,700 --> 00:43:16,190 And and either way, you're going to be confronted with that and 716 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,210 it's going to force you to reflect and grow and change and 717 00:43:20,220 --> 00:43:23,670 wrestle with the no and wrestle with the unanswered piece and 718 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,330 wrestle with faith and doubt and grief and joy, celebration, all 719 00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:31,100 of it. So I think that's what I, you 720 00:43:31,110 --> 00:43:34,250 know, that's that's what I want people to think about and 721 00:43:34,260 --> 00:43:36,020 wrestle through. When when you think about it, is 722 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:38,760 is it a safe prayer? It's not like because he said a 723 00:43:38,770 --> 00:43:44,570 certain, you know, thing wrong. It's like, am I willing to risk 724 00:43:44,580 --> 00:43:45,670 being wrong? Yeah. 725 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,570 Am I willing to risk being disappointed? 726 00:43:47,620 --> 00:43:52,210 Am I willing to risk being upset and confused and to wonder out 727 00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:55,090 loud why this didn't happen the way we're praying for? 728 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,910 Like, those are bold prayers. Sometimes they're whispered, 729 00:43:58,740 --> 00:44:01,220 sometimes that's a bold prayer. Yeah, sometimes they're not 730 00:44:01,230 --> 00:44:03,190 spoken at all. That's a bold prayer still. 731 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,710 I love that. Yeah. 732 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:08,950 It's, it's almost like, OK, I'm liking, I'm likening it to 733 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,870 someone who is, is going to confess their love to someone 734 00:44:15,050 --> 00:44:19,780 and, and they don't know if it's gonna be, you know, reciprocated 735 00:44:19,790 --> 00:44:22,220 or not. And, and you're taking a big 736 00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:26,300 risk and maybe it'll be reciprocated, maybe it won't. 737 00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:32,380 But you if you don't do anything, if you know, if you 738 00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:35,440 don't, you have all those love inside, you don't do anything 739 00:44:35,450 --> 00:44:38,620 with it. It's you're kind of squandering, 740 00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:39,920 you know, you kind of squandering that. 741 00:44:39,930 --> 00:44:43,040 Yeah. Anyway, maybe that doesn't land, 742 00:44:43,050 --> 00:44:44,540 but I was just made me think of that. 743 00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:47,540 You're out there, right? Like this is, this is the 744 00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:48,760 reality. It's out there. 745 00:44:48,770 --> 00:44:50,910 You're putting yourself. You're putting yourself out and 746 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,420 it's something's happening, so yeah. 747 00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:58,770 So, and I think this pair is perfectly with a different 748 00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:04,530 question from a different person of just OK, so, so we ask big 749 00:45:04,540 --> 00:45:11,750 prayers, we ask boldly, we do all that God doesn't answer or 750 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,310 God says no or, or it seems the door has been shut or whatever. 751 00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:22,580 What do we do with our hearts and our disappointment and our 752 00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:24,360 anger? Hmm. 753 00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:29,240 For God not answering in a feeling like we've been let 754 00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:31,100 down. Yeah. 755 00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:34,300 And there's, there's this space where you ask boldly, I'm just 756 00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:36,940 sort of kind of recapping this, this question here. 757 00:45:37,770 --> 00:45:39,130 How do we keep from getting bitter? 758 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:42,300 How do we keep from having hard hearts? 759 00:45:42,650 --> 00:45:46,740 How do we continue in our faith when when we've been hurt or 760 00:45:46,750 --> 00:45:49,210 disappointed or let down in that way? 761 00:45:49,410 --> 00:45:53,740 So sort of this tension of asking boldly and then also 762 00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:56,350 being hurt and disappointed when the answer is and what we want. 763 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,020 So how do we, how do we think on that? 764 00:45:59,030 --> 00:46:00,790 How do we, how do we wrestle that out? 765 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,530 You continue to pray boldly, right? 766 00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:07,430 I think. And I don't say that as like a 767 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,730 pithy, simple, sort of half hearted answer. 768 00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:14,230 Just keep going. I genuinely, you know, again, 769 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,970 this is where, this is where I think the conversation piece 770 00:46:16,980 --> 00:46:21,690 from Henry Nowen is helpful, where prayer is this daily 771 00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:24,830 continual conversation between you and God. 772 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:30,470 Um, the worst thing I think you could do is to stop praying 773 00:46:31,850 --> 00:46:37,980 right? And to, to shut down that, that 774 00:46:38,050 --> 00:46:43,100 discipline or habit routine because it didn't go the way you 775 00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:44,900 wanted. But like, that's the human thing 776 00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:46,560 to do, right? That's like the human nature 777 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:48,660 thing is like, well, I tried this and it didn't work. 778 00:46:48,670 --> 00:46:51,300 So now I'm hurt and disappointed by it. 779 00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:56,060 I'm not doing that again. So I think one of the challenges 780 00:46:56,070 --> 00:47:02,170 is to is to continue to pray and continue to pray boldly. 781 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:05,450 We think that. I think we, you know, I have 782 00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:07,990 conversations with people who say something along the lines 783 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,610 like, I could never say that to God. 784 00:47:09,810 --> 00:47:11,610 Sure you can. Like what are you talking about? 785 00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:14,970 If you can't like, who else are you going to say it to like? 786 00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:18,970 Like bringing that anger. Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, I 787 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:24,210 think some, sometimes we, we, we assume, you know, we need to say 788 00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:27,110 the right thing in the right way, nice language, etcetera. 789 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:32,360 And I just got no God again, it might, it might be cliche, but 790 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,140 it's like God can handle the anger. 791 00:47:35,830 --> 00:47:40,150 And you know, I think that that's one of the mistakes we 792 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:41,520 make is just to go silent, right? 793 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:45,500 We go dark and just push ourselves into isolation. 794 00:47:46,210 --> 00:47:48,980 So keep praying, keep showing up, keep doing the thing, keep 795 00:47:49,350 --> 00:47:56,530 being bold and honest and voicing all of the despair. 796 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,550 So that's that's number one, I think is continue to do the 797 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,950 thing. And this is where, like you've 798 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,980 already brought up, this is where community helps is where, 799 00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:11,910 you know, maybe you need people to kind of come with you and 800 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,030 carry you through. So, you know, if you find 801 00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:21,590 yourself in that season, the, the, the easy thing is to be in 802 00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,180 that season alone. And you know, it's, it's a lot, 803 00:48:25,430 --> 00:48:29,440 it's a lot harder in many ways, right, long term, but it is 804 00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:33,160 simple in some ways just to kind of isolate yourself and close 805 00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:36,460 down to not only to God, but to others as well. 806 00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:39,360 And I often find like that's that's a pretty common 807 00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:42,800 trajectory where, you know, the more I close off to God, the 808 00:48:42,810 --> 00:48:45,960 more I close off to people. Yeah. 809 00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:49,420 So both of those things happen kind of inspiral. 810 00:48:50,310 --> 00:48:53,540 So continue to show up and continue to allow people to show 811 00:48:53,550 --> 00:48:57,810 up with you. You know, I think is, is #1 812 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:03,370 honest, real, raw conversation about the deep disappointment. 813 00:49:03,660 --> 00:49:07,130 Like again, that's I think that's what we see modeled in, 814 00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:10,320 in prayer, certainly in one in many different places. 815 00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:12,750 But like in the Psalms are beautiful for this. 816 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,140 Mess of emotions. And yeah, and this is what I say 817 00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:18,610 to people who, you know, maybe are looking to pray but don't 818 00:49:18,620 --> 00:49:20,950 know how to start, let's say. So start in two places. 819 00:49:21,060 --> 00:49:24,690 Start with someone and start with Matthew 6 on Jesus teaching 820 00:49:24,700 --> 00:49:27,180 on the Lord. Pray that prayer, pray the 821 00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:29,530 Lord's Prayer, and pray through the Psalms. 822 00:49:30,220 --> 00:49:34,310 Um, yeah, there's some great resources on praying the Psalms. 823 00:49:35,790 --> 00:49:38,450 Martin Luther has a book called Literally Praying the Psalms 824 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,770 where he, he has a prayer to go with every Psalm and a little, 825 00:49:42,780 --> 00:49:45,130 just a little thought on, on each of them. 826 00:49:45,240 --> 00:49:47,660 Actually think he stopped at like 2/3 of the way through. 827 00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:49,870 He's like, I think it ends easy because you kind of you get the 828 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,330 point. Just go and do it yourself. 829 00:49:52,590 --> 00:49:57,800 But yeah, great little book. Thomas Merton has a has a 830 00:49:57,850 --> 00:50:00,950 wonderful small book on praying the Psalms as well. 831 00:50:01,850 --> 00:50:05,740 And so, you know, I think find yourself there. 832 00:50:05,750 --> 00:50:09,960 Allow what I would call like the church though, you know, I 833 00:50:10,010 --> 00:50:15,060 recognize that the Old Testament Psalms, you know, David, others, 834 00:50:16,170 --> 00:50:18,620 not quite the church at that point, but you know, I think the 835 00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:23,780 legacy of spirituality that we have is beautiful and allow 836 00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:26,520 other peoples prayers to carry you. 837 00:50:26,730 --> 00:50:29,240 So, you know, pray those prayers. 838 00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:37,840 It just has as to ways of beginning to to confront it. 839 00:50:38,570 --> 00:50:44,930 I love how so some some 42, Uh, yeah. 840 00:50:44,940 --> 00:50:48,740 I'm not going to read all of it. It's not very long, but it's 841 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:51,760 almost like David's having this conversation with himself and 842 00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:55,280 God, right? So Psalm 42, he's like, my heart 843 00:50:55,290 --> 00:50:57,320 is breaking as I remember how it used to be. 844 00:50:57,330 --> 00:50:59,740 I walk among the crowds of worshippers leading a great 845 00:50:59,750 --> 00:51:02,640 procession to the House of God, singing for joy, giving thanks 846 00:51:02,650 --> 00:51:05,640 amid the sounds of great celebrations, my hearts 847 00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:07,080 breaking. I remember how it used to be. 848 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,380 Why am I so discouraged? Why is my heart so sad? 849 00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:13,680 I will put my hope in God. I will praise him again, my 850 00:51:13,690 --> 00:51:16,070 Savior and my God, and then he goes back. 851 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:20,070 But now I'm deeply discouraged. But I will remember you. 852 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,490 Even from the distant Mount Herman, the source of the 853 00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:28,440 Jordan, from the land Mount Mizar, I hear tumult, raging 854 00:51:28,450 --> 00:51:33,970 seas, like it's this back and forth, back and forth of, you 855 00:51:33,980 --> 00:51:37,030 know, like I, I, this is where I'm at. 856 00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:40,490 I'm gonna choose to remember, remember God. 857 00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:43,480 But, you know, it's like, why am I discouraged? 858 00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:45,080 He repeats it. Why am I discouraged? 859 00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:47,540 Why is my heart so sad? Why? 860 00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:53,400 So, you know, I think it's, it's just this great kind of back and 861 00:51:53,410 --> 00:51:56,220 forth of, hey, this is where I'm at. 862 00:51:56,910 --> 00:51:59,560 Why am I this way reflecting on it, right? 863 00:51:59,830 --> 00:52:02,740 What's going on? Like, why am I, I'm gonna choose 864 00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:04,700 to remember God. I'm gonna put my hope in God. 865 00:52:04,710 --> 00:52:06,150 I'll praise him again, my Lord, my Savior. 866 00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,420 Well, that didn't work. I'm still deeply discouraged. 867 00:52:08,430 --> 00:52:10,600 Like, why am I deeply discouraged? 868 00:52:10,710 --> 00:52:14,110 OK, I'm going to choose it. So he's offering this pattern or 869 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:20,510 this kind of liturgy almost of back and forth of, you know, 870 00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:23,400 this is the way I am. Why am I the way I am? 871 00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:25,780 This is who God is. I'm going to remember God, but 872 00:52:25,790 --> 00:52:29,000 I'm still this and I'm still, you know, this way. 873 00:52:29,010 --> 00:52:31,860 Why am I still this way? I'm gonna remember God. 874 00:52:31,870 --> 00:52:36,420 And it's just this kind of meandering stream and it's very. 875 00:52:36,430 --> 00:52:37,560 Slow. It's very human. 876 00:52:37,570 --> 00:52:39,760 Though yeah, human expression of of life. 877 00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:44,190 So I think, you know, you want those internal dialogues, right? 878 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:48,180 You want that kind of contemplative heart and nature 879 00:52:48,190 --> 00:52:51,480 toward prayer. And hopefully we can be bringing 880 00:52:51,490 --> 00:52:54,920 that out to God, you know, And so like, you see, even in the 881 00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:57,420 Psalm, David's bringing it before God. 882 00:52:57,550 --> 00:53:04,060 He's writing it down. So he's bringing it to a broader 883 00:53:04,170 --> 00:53:09,590 community of faith in some ways. And I feel like that is 884 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,370 important for us as well. And, and maybe maybe it's almost 885 00:53:12,380 --> 00:53:14,860 it's own like way of like journaling as well, right? 886 00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:16,930 So there's almost like bringing it to God. 887 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,150 You're kind of reflecting on it internally with yourself, and 888 00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,020 then also you're bringing it into, into community with other 889 00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:27,310 people, right? And that, that feels like I, I 890 00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,060 would never say that someone can, you know, you're going to 891 00:53:31,070 --> 00:53:33,910 avoid bitterness and disappointment if you do these 892 00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,350 three things. That's, that's, that's not, it's 893 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,110 not a formula, right? This is not a formula. 894 00:53:39,380 --> 00:53:45,970 However, I do wonder if we can safeguard ourselves from some of 895 00:53:45,980 --> 00:53:50,690 the the extreme disappointments when prayers aren't answered and 896 00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:55,590 bitterness and even for some like the, you know, the the loss 897 00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,030 of faith, right? If we are, if we are doing some 898 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,110 of these practices. Yeah, absolutely. 899 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,750 So I, I think, I think all of those practices are good and 900 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,250 right. And you know, I think the 901 00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:11,010 challenge becomes how do you do them? 902 00:54:11,860 --> 00:54:13,970 How do you have people in your life to hold you accountable to 903 00:54:13,980 --> 00:54:17,470 them? Where when I think of So the 904 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:22,760 question was, how do you how do you you correct me if I'm 905 00:54:22,850 --> 00:54:25,170 misremembering the question. The question was, how do you 906 00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:31,890 face unanswered prayer or prayer answered in a way you did not 907 00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:33,430 want? The disappointment, the 908 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,010 discouragement without becoming bitter. 909 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,530 Yeah, right. So I think that's the like 910 00:54:39,540 --> 00:54:41,210 that's kind of the the key piece there. 911 00:54:41,260 --> 00:54:47,090 Yeah. So just to hopefully make it 912 00:54:47,830 --> 00:54:52,060 maybe not more practical, but simpler, I think we become 913 00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:54,620 bitter when a couple things happen. 914 00:54:54,950 --> 00:55:00,940 So we become bitter when you're not able to voice your 915 00:55:00,990 --> 00:55:03,140 discouragement and disappointment and anger and 916 00:55:03,150 --> 00:55:05,360 frustration and grief and sadness and sorrow When? 917 00:55:05,370 --> 00:55:08,290 It's been sort of you have to. When you said exactly, Yeah, 918 00:55:08,300 --> 00:55:09,680 yeah. When you feel like there's no 919 00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:12,560 outlet for it. So now what happens is I'm 920 00:55:12,570 --> 00:55:16,240 feeling all these things and I begin to feel ashamed and guilty 921 00:55:16,250 --> 00:55:18,040 for it. And I shouldn't be feeling this 922 00:55:18,050 --> 00:55:20,540 way. And it means I don't have faith 923 00:55:20,550 --> 00:55:23,580 because if God didn't answer it and if God's will is good, then 924 00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:25,600 why should. So I think we get into this 925 00:55:25,610 --> 00:55:33,280 spiral of, of not being honest with ourselves, with God and 926 00:55:33,290 --> 00:55:39,400 with others about the real emotions and and experience that 927 00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:42,760 you are in the middle of. So that's again, that's where 928 00:55:42,770 --> 00:55:50,140 what you've said, like writing, prayer, community, all help us 929 00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:55,180 externalize and name the thing or the things that are going on. 930 00:55:55,590 --> 00:56:01,390 So we become bitter when when we're not able to do that. 931 00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:07,310 So you know, again, it's simple to say, but find yourself some 932 00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:12,630 people who won't allow you to go that in, you know that that far 933 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,970 in on into yourself. That is where I think community 934 00:56:17,020 --> 00:56:22,440 really matters deeply. And you know, as much as you're 935 00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:29,130 able to, don't allow your own internal dialogue between you 936 00:56:29,140 --> 00:56:33,090 and God to turn into this monologue of like, it's just me, 937 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:34,350 right? Yeah. 938 00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,830 So continue to name it, continue to voice it, continue to say the 939 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,140 thing that's number one. I think the other reason why we 940 00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:44,450 become bitter is that we begin to question and doubt God's 941 00:56:44,460 --> 00:56:49,040 goodness. Yeah, because if if you know 942 00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:55,360 more so than God didn't answer the prayer I wanted in the way 943 00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:59,260 or the pray I prayed the thing that I was begging and pleading 944 00:56:59,270 --> 00:57:02,360 for and like we're talking about like real, like heavy things 945 00:57:02,370 --> 00:57:04,380 like yeah, we. Made marriages breaking. 946 00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:07,580 Up we prayed for this kid and this kid died, right? 947 00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:10,860 We prayed for this spouse and this spouse left. 948 00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:16,250 We prayed for yeah, this this family and the family imploded. 949 00:57:16,260 --> 00:57:21,820 We like heavy and not not that other things are insignificant, 950 00:57:21,870 --> 00:57:23,460 but like, yeah, how do you address it? 951 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:27,510 So I think we we can also become bitter when we begin to doubt 952 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,010 and distrust God's goodness. And like I see that all the way 953 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:34,290 back in the, that that's Genesis, right? 954 00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:38,830 Like this is Adam and Eve. It's, it's the, it's the like, 955 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:43,020 did God really say that? So the other piece that I'd be 956 00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:47,610 wary of is, is that like that voice, right? 957 00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:51,780 Like did God really say like he's got really good? 958 00:57:51,790 --> 00:57:55,400 Like, did he really? Does he really have your best, 959 00:57:56,900 --> 00:57:59,310 you know, in in mind or at heart? 960 00:57:59,590 --> 00:58:03,860 Like is he really working for the flourishing of humanity and 961 00:58:03,870 --> 00:58:07,460 for for good like that? Those are I think those are the 962 00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:11,040 the thoughts that can also creep in and lead to bitterness. 963 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:17,730 And I think those the the the the last piece that I'll say is 964 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,010 name those things as well. Yeah. 965 00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:23,820 Because again, like that's, you know, those are the, those are 966 00:58:23,830 --> 00:58:25,760 the moments we need somebody else to call that out. 967 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:29,680 Not, not in a way that like, pushes on you necessarily, but, 968 00:58:29,730 --> 00:58:33,000 but that's not the voice you ought to be listening to. 969 00:58:33,350 --> 00:58:38,740 Yeah, it feels like when it's something that is the the 970 00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:43,520 constant refrain in our hearts and minds, not tempered against 971 00:58:43,530 --> 00:58:46,640 anything else that that is going to do some damage, right? 972 00:58:47,050 --> 00:58:49,060 Because I do think, yeah, as you were talking, I was like, 973 00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:51,620 actually, I, I want to be able to name that if I'm, if I'm 974 00:58:51,630 --> 00:58:54,980 struggling with God's goodness in a decision that I felt God 975 00:58:54,990 --> 00:58:56,680 made that I didn't agree with, right? 976 00:58:56,750 --> 00:59:00,960 I, I want to be able to do that. However, I also need people to, 977 00:59:00,970 --> 00:59:08,320 to draw me back in to, to other realities and, and to, and to 978 00:59:08,330 --> 00:59:11,130 see where God has been good and faithful, because sometimes in 979 00:59:11,140 --> 00:59:14,880 those moments, my, I have a very myopic perspective. 980 00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:18,450 I am thinking about this one thing that, and maybe it's a 981 00:59:18,460 --> 00:59:20,420 very big thing. Maybe it's an earth shattering 982 00:59:20,430 --> 00:59:24,180 thing that has, that has wrecked my life in some way, right. 983 00:59:24,790 --> 00:59:30,220 And so I I need folks to help me see the bigger picture. 984 00:59:30,490 --> 00:59:33,540 Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, be remiss 985 00:59:33,550 --> 00:59:37,800 to say like, it's easy and it's just like, well, just believe 986 00:59:37,810 --> 00:59:39,880 that that's good. Like that's, that's not it. 987 00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:41,530 I don't think that's what we're saying. 988 00:59:41,710 --> 00:59:47,940 Yeah. But I, I, I think that that is 989 00:59:47,950 --> 00:59:50,390 one of the fundamental, like that's the one of the 990 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:57,410 fundamental lies that that Satan wants people to belief is that, 991 00:59:58,810 --> 01:00:02,900 you know, sure, believe that God exists all you want, but he's 992 01:00:02,910 --> 01:00:04,560 not good, right? Yeah. 993 01:00:04,570 --> 01:00:08,800 He's not working on your behalf. And yeah, absolutely. 994 01:00:08,810 --> 01:00:11,220 You need to be able to name that in community because that's the 995 01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:13,120 only way through that. Right? 996 01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:15,120 Yeah. Like literally that's, those are 997 01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:17,190 the moments where you do need people kind of dragging you 998 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,880 through it and be like, listen, we're in it. 999 01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:21,920 We're in it with you and we're going to walk it through and 1000 01:00:21,930 --> 01:00:23,480 it's going to be painful and it's going to be hard. 1001 01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:25,730 And it's like, not everything is good. 1002 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:31,810 Like not every situation is gonna like miraculously be like, 1003 01:00:31,820 --> 01:00:35,530 wow, amazing turn of events at the end. 1004 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:42,100 Like, um, but does it allow you to or does it cause you to 1005 01:00:42,150 --> 01:00:44,740 ultimately question God's goodness? 1006 01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,900 And when it does, do you have a, do you have a place to go with 1007 01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:52,350 that that's safe and encouraging and loving? 1008 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,790 Be like, yeah, absolutely, that's a valid thought feeling 1009 01:00:57,190 --> 01:01:01,460 conclusion to draw and we know that there's more. 1010 01:01:02,730 --> 01:01:05,780 We'll get there eventually, but I'll sit with you in the in the 1011 01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:07,650 meantime, so. It's OK that you're not there 1012 01:01:07,660 --> 01:01:08,600 right now. Exactly. 1013 01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:10,520 And we're we're we're with you. Yeah. 1014 01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:14,220 In the long haul, you know, it's kind of like if if Joe's friends 1015 01:01:14,550 --> 01:01:18,600 were actually good friends and. And truly, just, truly just 1016 01:01:19,110 --> 01:01:21,490 mourned with him and grieved with him until he. 1017 01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:24,780 Was sit with you and remind you of how awful everything is. 1018 01:01:25,090 --> 01:01:29,960 So I think I would flip it. I think I would flip it and say 1019 01:01:29,970 --> 01:01:33,860 that this has, I think, I think I'm speaking more to the person 1020 01:01:33,870 --> 01:01:37,610 who's not in the midst of it right now than I am to somebody 1021 01:01:37,620 --> 01:01:42,270 who's like in the thick of deep disappointment, sorrow, anger, 1022 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,990 grief. Like this. 1023 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,230 Us talking about it isn't gonna be like, oh, great. 1024 01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:47,630 I never thought about it that way before. 1025 01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:49,670 Perfect. For the friend. 1026 01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:53,890 I yeah, I think I'm, what I'm saying is, hey, for the friend 1027 01:01:53,980 --> 01:02:00,210 who sees somebody going through the thick of it, this is your 1028 01:02:00,220 --> 01:02:01,530 task? Yeah. 1029 01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:08,650 To show up, to sit in it, to allow people to be where they 1030 01:02:08,660 --> 01:02:14,300 are and to give them small slivers of hope that just remind 1031 01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:16,560 them like one step in front of the other, right? 1032 01:02:16,570 --> 01:02:18,700 One foot in front of the next foot in front of the next. 1033 01:02:18,710 --> 01:02:20,850 Like we're gonna walk this out together. 1034 01:02:21,230 --> 01:02:25,270 And I'm going to remind you as much as I can that God is good. 1035 01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:33,090 And I'm not going to expect that to change the reality that 1036 01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:35,070 you're in. But we'll get there eventually, 1037 01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:36,840 right? Like I think I'm speaking to the 1038 01:02:36,850 --> 01:02:39,600 friend you just like, you might need to show up for somebody. 1039 01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:42,280 Yeah. And showing up, sitting down, 1040 01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:48,540 crying, weeping, morning embracing, you know, the deep 1041 01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:52,990 emotion and and also being able to be the the one who says, 1042 01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:56,760 yeah, like God is still good, you're still loved. 1043 01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:59,980 This is not good. And it certainly doesn't feel 1044 01:02:59,990 --> 01:03:01,520 like it's headed in a good direction. 1045 01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:04,120 But this much we know about who God is. 1046 01:03:04,770 --> 01:03:07,940 And that'll be the anchor, I think, that holds somebody 1047 01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:14,140 toward the goodness of God. It's a heavy task, but it is. 1048 01:03:14,510 --> 01:03:19,080 It's a privilege in some ways to journey with friends in that 1049 01:03:19,090 --> 01:03:25,740 process. Some heavy stuff for this week's 1050 01:03:25,750 --> 01:03:28,720 podcast and I don't know that we answered fully any of the 1051 01:03:28,730 --> 01:03:30,860 questions, but. Feels like the thing you could 1052 01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:33,920 talk about for a very long time and and it's, you know, you're 1053 01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:37,160 dealing with grief and suffering and the the big questions of 1054 01:03:37,170 --> 01:03:41,360 life that have been discussed for millennia and will not be 1055 01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:44,980 solved in a one hour podcast. No, we didn't get into like the 1056 01:03:44,990 --> 01:03:47,860 cause, like who's you know right, what's going on? 1057 01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:51,600 What do you horrible things happen to good people and all of 1058 01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:53,830 the like? The problem of evil is is one of 1059 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:55,800 the biggest stumbling blocks. So maybe we'll circle back to 1060 01:03:55,810 --> 01:03:58,820 that as a as a full topic on another podcast. 1061 01:03:59,870 --> 01:04:03,620 But I think for now, the piece of that question that I love is 1062 01:04:03,630 --> 01:04:06,540 just the heart to say like, how can I do this without becoming 1063 01:04:06,550 --> 01:04:08,520 bitter? Because that's what. 1064 01:04:08,750 --> 01:04:10,760 That's a great question. Right, right. 1065 01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:13,040 Right. Like, not why do these things 1066 01:04:13,050 --> 01:04:15,820 happen? Not what, but how can I navigate 1067 01:04:15,830 --> 01:04:20,170 it without being bitter? And yeah, so I think we're 1068 01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:22,470 saying you need good people around you. 1069 01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,260 And if you find yourself in a season where you are not, you 1070 01:04:28,270 --> 01:04:34,250 know, wrestling with bitterness and grief and anger, like, be 1071 01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:36,350 the friend. Be the friend who shows up, 1072 01:04:38,700 --> 01:04:42,270 alright? We hope that this encourages and 1073 01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,930 maybe challenges you this week, and we'll see you in the next 1074 01:04:45,940 --> 01:04:46,330 episode.