1 00:00:00,900 --> 00:00:04,350 Hey everyone, welcome to the Sunday Sit down where it's not 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,950 Sunday, but we are sitting down. We are hoping, however, this 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:13,250 finds you that this is a great resource as we reflect on our 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,550 sermon from the past week, as we get a chance to go a little 5 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:22,270 deeper, to look at the text in a, in a more granular way, to 6 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:27,710 explore some of the application in a more, in a more specific 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,770 way perhaps. And so that's what we're hoping 8 00:00:29,780 --> 00:00:33,960 to do this morning. And so we turned the page. 9 00:00:33,970 --> 00:00:42,680 We are in Luke Chapter 9 and this is the story of Jesus sort 10 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:48,630 of looking at his disciples and see and and kind of the Jesus 11 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,120 has been doing lots of things. I kind of went through every 12 00:00:51,130 --> 00:00:58,130 single event that Jesus has done thus far, and we noted that it 13 00:00:58,140 --> 00:01:04,239 was Jesus doing all the work. And so now Jesus says to his 12 14 00:01:04,250 --> 00:01:07,890 disciples, he says, OK, you go do. 15 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:14,230 And he sends them off in a kind of in a missionary journey to to 16 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,650 the region. He says, don't take anything 17 00:01:16,660 --> 00:01:18,110 with you. Well, we'll read it in a second, 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,130 but anyway, so this is an interesting passage on a couple 19 00:01:23,140 --> 00:01:26,010 different levels. And so we, we had one question 20 00:01:26,020 --> 00:01:29,790 in particular come up that was quite provocative in a, in a, in 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,000 a great way. And so Abby, Abby and I are 22 00:01:33,010 --> 00:01:35,280 looking forward to discussing a little bit more. 23 00:01:35,290 --> 00:01:37,540 But maybe why don't you start by reading the passage for. 24 00:01:37,550 --> 00:01:42,440 Me all right, Luke Chapter 9 versus 1 to 9. 25 00:01:43,420 --> 00:01:46,390 When Jesus had called the 12 together, he gave them power and 26 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,010 authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and 27 00:01:50,060 --> 00:01:53,150 he sent them out to proclaim the Kingdom of God and to heal the 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,970 sick. He told them take nothing for 29 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:59,350 the journey. No staff, no bag, no bread, no 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,950 money, no extra shirt. Whatever house you enter, stay 31 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,370 there until you leave that town. If people do not welcome you, 32 00:02:06,460 --> 00:02:08,970 leave their town and shake the dust off your feet as a 33 00:02:08,979 --> 00:02:12,130 testimony against them. So they set out and went from 34 00:02:12,140 --> 00:02:15,210 village to village, proclaiming the good news, healing people 35 00:02:15,220 --> 00:02:17,870 everywhere. Now Herod the Tetrarch heard 36 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,320 about all that was going on, and he was perplexed, because some 37 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:24,350 were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others 38 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,310 that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the 39 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,910 prophets of long ago had come back to life. 40 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,110 But Herod said, I beheaded John. Who then is this I hear such 41 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,590 things about? And he tried to see him. 42 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,390 Alright, and then in my in my message, I did include the just 43 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,030 the very beginning of of verse 10. 44 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,170 We don't need to worry that we're about reading that now is 45 00:02:46,180 --> 00:02:49,210 just because it kind of connects with this idea, this idea of the 46 00:02:49,220 --> 00:02:53,650 possibles returning back to report back to Jesus what they 47 00:02:53,660 --> 00:02:59,950 had seen and heard and done. So yeah, I, I don't know where 48 00:02:59,960 --> 00:03:03,840 you wanna jump in first here, Abby, but you know, we can keep 49 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:06,470 this a little bit more discussion oriented rather than, 50 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,330 you know, you grilling me on things because I think you have 51 00:03:09,340 --> 00:03:11,190 some good insights as well. So. 52 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:17,130 I just, yeah, this passage is super interesting to me because 53 00:03:17,510 --> 00:03:20,160 when I read it in the Bible, it's like, OK, start of a new 54 00:03:20,170 --> 00:03:21,660 chapter. And it almost feels like just 55 00:03:21,670 --> 00:03:26,810 out of nowhere, like we don't really have a sense other than 56 00:03:26,820 --> 00:03:29,840 that the disciples were following Jesus, who was a 57 00:03:29,850 --> 00:03:32,260 rabbi. So eventually, like they are 58 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:36,430 learning to become like Jesus, but it really almost feels out 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,160 of left field that Jesus is all the sudden like, all right, you 60 00:03:39,170 --> 00:03:41,420 guys are up. Throw them into the deep end. 61 00:03:41,470 --> 00:03:46,260 Yeah, it really is a well, I hope you've figured out how to 62 00:03:46,270 --> 00:03:48,670 swim. Especially I think for me, like 63 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,600 when I'm teaching other people to do this, I am a like, come 64 00:03:51,610 --> 00:03:55,700 alongside and do this with me. Whereas Jesus very much has a 65 00:03:55,710 --> 00:03:59,420 watch how I do this and then he sends them out on their own. 66 00:03:59,490 --> 00:04:02,360 It's not like he's going with them to give them tips along the 67 00:04:02,370 --> 00:04:04,560 way. Yeah, it's the I really hope 68 00:04:04,570 --> 00:04:09,780 that as you've watched me, you've figured this out. 69 00:04:10,550 --> 00:04:15,500 And that's that's a lot of responsibility, yeah, to give to 70 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:21,230 people on top of the fact that he also calls them together and 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,090 says here I've given you the power and authority to drive out 72 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:29,090 all demons and cure diseases like. 73 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,230 Well, and one of the things that one of the things that struck me 74 00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:38,890 is that they probably have been like discussing, like you see it 75 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:41,970 in like the parable of the sower where where Jesus gives this 76 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:44,290 parable. And then and then they kind of 77 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:46,550 like have a little huddle and they're talking about it, right? 78 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:49,540 So I think it's fair to assume that they're probably doing that 79 00:04:49,550 --> 00:04:52,870 a little bit along the way. But it's just so funny that like 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,910 it's all of you know, Jesus has been doing all these things and 81 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,880 he's just like, OK, trial by fire go. 82 00:05:00,130 --> 00:05:05,870 Um, and I wonder if this is, this is purely speculation. 83 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:08,880 There is like, so this is just musing. 84 00:05:08,890 --> 00:05:11,580 This is not me in inferring anything from the text. 85 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:14,680 I want to make that very clear. You have to imagine that they 86 00:05:14,690 --> 00:05:16,280 must have failed a lot along the way. 87 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:23,200 It's interesting, yeah. It is like, I mean like I don't 88 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:25,730 remember which gospel it is, but there is examples of they're 89 00:05:25,740 --> 00:05:27,860 like Jesus. We can't heal this person. 90 00:05:27,870 --> 00:05:29,740 We can't get this. Team why couldn't we do it? 91 00:05:29,750 --> 00:05:33,380 Jesus, why couldn't we do it Especially like so they knew 92 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:36,940 that they theoretically had the power to do all of this. 93 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:44,320 But there isn't a lot in the Gospel accounts of the failures. 94 00:05:45,310 --> 00:05:48,920 And I think sometimes that gives us a false perception. 95 00:05:50,020 --> 00:05:52,670 I think that's maybe where we you were talking on Sunday about 96 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,910 is this descriptive or prescriptive? 97 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,780 And I think this is maybe one of the areas where sometimes we mix 98 00:05:59,790 --> 00:06:05,110 those up because we assume that we have to be successful all the 99 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:11,670 time or we misunderstand what success in our evangelism looks 100 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,200 like as we carry the good news of the Kingdom of God and to 101 00:06:16,210 --> 00:06:18,420 heal the sick. Like, what does healing actually 102 00:06:18,430 --> 00:06:24,020 look like? And so we think that it, you 103 00:06:24,030 --> 00:06:27,210 know, has to look a certain way. Yeah. 104 00:06:27,220 --> 00:06:30,300 And maybe it doesn't. Well, and, and one of the one of 105 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:33,170 the wrestlings that I had as I was going through this, this 106 00:06:33,180 --> 00:06:36,590 passage is you, you know, you see the example or the 107 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,890 instructions that Jesus gives, you know, don't take anything 108 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:43,090 with you, You know, stay at the house that you're told go and 109 00:06:43,100 --> 00:06:45,930 you know, go in heal, go and go and drive out demons. 110 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,030 And if people don't welcome you, shake off the dust off your feet 111 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,130 as a testimony against them. So he gives these very specific 112 00:06:53,140 --> 00:06:59,460 instructions and I get worried sometimes that we. 113 00:07:01,330 --> 00:07:04,000 Use it as an excuse for bad stewardship. 114 00:07:04,330 --> 00:07:12,540 Well, that, that yes, but also just that we, we can, we can 115 00:07:12,550 --> 00:07:17,350 take Jesus's words and his instructions and, and, and 116 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,870 interpret that that is, this is the now the way that we must do 117 00:07:21,940 --> 00:07:23,780 evangelistic work or mission work. 118 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:26,010 That this is the only way to do it. 119 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,810 When, when Jesus throughout his ministry gives and, and Paul as 120 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:34,530 well gives a ton of different ways in which this is done 121 00:07:34,540 --> 00:07:36,570 right. This is one example. 122 00:07:36,860 --> 00:07:43,150 Most of the early church leaders were like, by vocational, Yeah, 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:50,450 they provided for themselves. And like Paul in at least one of 124 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:53,230 his letters talks about like, I'm so grateful for the gifts 125 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,650 that this church is giving to me, but also like, I am able to 126 00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:03,300 provide for myself. And that's like, it's important 127 00:08:03,350 --> 00:08:08,920 to be responsible, not just with the gospel that we're carrying, 128 00:08:08,930 --> 00:08:13,080 but like making sure we have the resources to do that in ways 129 00:08:13,090 --> 00:08:17,380 that don't place an unfair, unjust burden on the people 130 00:08:17,390 --> 00:08:22,320 we're trying to reach. Which I think probably is a 131 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:27,220 little different here because just like in the climate of that 132 00:08:27,230 --> 00:08:29,790 day, I would imagine most of the people that they were taking 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:36,010 this to probably would have had a higher economic status just 134 00:08:36,020 --> 00:08:40,870 because of the dynamics between like Jews and gentiles and how 135 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,919 that worked out in the Roman Empire. 136 00:08:43,929 --> 00:08:46,730 But that's not like blanket universal statement. 137 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,340 But it would have been the case in a lot of the places they were 138 00:08:51,830 --> 00:08:54,800 visiting. Well, and the people, the, the 139 00:08:54,810 --> 00:08:59,250 hospitality culture was, was so different, far greater, right. 140 00:09:00,150 --> 00:09:04,380 And, and so that's, that's for me, a major consideration that 141 00:09:04,390 --> 00:09:08,260 when we, when we look at these people going from village to 142 00:09:08,270 --> 00:09:12,560 village and doing ministry there and, and basically knowing that 143 00:09:12,570 --> 00:09:15,500 you're going to have a place to stay, right, that there will be 144 00:09:15,510 --> 00:09:18,840 people that will see you and welcome you in. 145 00:09:19,860 --> 00:09:22,230 I don't know that that is a reality. 146 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,470 When I, if I were to, you know, go to a village or city or town 147 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:29,450 where I don't know a single person. 148 00:09:29,810 --> 00:09:34,340 I mean, I, I seem like hopefully a nice enough dude, maybe if I 149 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:36,070 shaved my beard, I would have a better chance. 150 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,970 I don't, I don't know. But like, I don't, I'm not 151 00:09:39,980 --> 00:09:42,530 guaranteed that. I think there was there was a 152 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:46,900 bit more of a guarantee here just based on on the the, the 153 00:09:46,910 --> 00:09:51,080 way that this sort of work was done that happened in the in the 154 00:09:51,090 --> 00:09:52,850 day. One, like the people generally 155 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:55,480 built their lives under the assumption that like, 156 00:09:56,450 --> 00:09:59,460 hospitality was just what they did and everybody did it. 157 00:09:59,990 --> 00:10:04,760 So you make room for that or you make it work. 158 00:10:05,870 --> 00:10:11,290 And I that's not something that we're very good at in the 21st 159 00:10:11,300 --> 00:10:12,690 century. We could learn a little. 160 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:14,910 We could learn. Like, I'm not saying like just 161 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,190 bring any rando into your home. I'm not suggesting that 162 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,520 listener. However, how can we grow, you 163 00:10:22,530 --> 00:10:28,790 know, like, how can we grow in our willingness to to, yeah, 164 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:32,710 bring people in when there are needs or to display a sort of 165 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,350 radical generosity in the way that these people would have. 166 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,840 And I didn't get into any of this on Sunday, but it's worth 167 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:40,800 exploring a little, yeah. Yeah. 168 00:10:40,810 --> 00:10:45,920 I think just like a practical example that I find helpful for 169 00:10:45,930 --> 00:10:50,880 that idea of hospitality is that I kind of grew up with people in 170 00:10:50,890 --> 00:10:54,070 my family where it was like when they, you know, meal planned and 171 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,480 decided what they would have for dinner on the nights of the week 172 00:10:57,490 --> 00:11:01,000 that like we as kids had sports events or we had to go to youth 173 00:11:01,010 --> 00:11:03,200 group after. The things we made for dinner 174 00:11:03,210 --> 00:11:07,300 were really easy to, you know, add an extra can of beans into 175 00:11:07,310 --> 00:11:11,260 or to expand. So it didn't, you know, we maybe 176 00:11:11,270 --> 00:11:14,520 planned to have six or seven people if ended up being 10 177 00:11:14,530 --> 00:11:16,560 people. It wasn't difficult for us to 178 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:21,860 stretch that meal to feed more people and learning to be like, 179 00:11:21,870 --> 00:11:26,050 OK, the house doesn't have to be 100% perfect. 180 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:28,590 Like, we want people to just be able to come into our everyday 181 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:33,360 lives and sit around the table with us, even though everybody's 182 00:11:33,370 --> 00:11:36,290 in and out and people have places to be at different times 183 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:39,690 in the evening. And it's been really cool to see 184 00:11:39,700 --> 00:11:42,770 how that's kind of like shaped the neighborhood that my parents 185 00:11:42,780 --> 00:11:47,280 currently live in. Is that idea of just, you know, 186 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:51,800 open dinner type situation? I love that I and I know that 187 00:11:51,810 --> 00:11:56,020 there are some folks in the church here who are very adept 188 00:11:56,030 --> 00:11:58,720 at that. You know who you are and I know 189 00:11:58,730 --> 00:12:03,070 that you're listening A I wanna be better at that. 190 00:12:03,260 --> 00:12:07,890 In fact, we're in the middle of my daughter, who she's nine 191 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:10,850 years old, you know, should be 10 in early in the new year. 192 00:12:10,860 --> 00:12:13,970 And and you know, she's starting to you know, she's starting to 193 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:17,720 become more mature. And so she wants a new a new 194 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,730 room, her kind of former toy room is going to be kind of re 195 00:12:21,790 --> 00:12:24,430 tweaked a little bit to become a bit more of like a hangout space 196 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:28,190 for her and her friends. And, and one of the rationales 197 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,500 for my wife and I are like, we we want to actually be a, a safe 198 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:34,400 space. We want our home to be a safe 199 00:12:34,410 --> 00:12:38,180 space for kids where there is like this lost art of what 200 00:12:38,190 --> 00:12:41,740 you're describing of having just like kid turns up after school 201 00:12:41,810 --> 00:12:44,820 with, you know, with your kids and they're hanging out. 202 00:12:44,830 --> 00:12:45,990 It's like, hey, do you want to stay for dinner? 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,160 Let's check with your parents. That's OK. 204 00:12:47,170 --> 00:12:48,150 Yeah. We've got lots of food. 205 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,020 Don't worry about it. You know, would love to see more 206 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:53,450 of that. I would love to, you know, 207 00:12:53,460 --> 00:12:59,070 myself, you know, I think earlier on in my life we were, 208 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,690 you know, we had, this is a funny scenario that we found 209 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:07,370 ourselves in. This was 11 years ago. 210 00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:11,300 We, we were my wife and I, we were away for like our five year 211 00:13:11,310 --> 00:13:14,970 anniversary where we were in the UK and France and had a 212 00:13:14,980 --> 00:13:18,510 wonderful time. We came home, we were at church 213 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,410 that Sunday. There was a woman from from 214 00:13:22,420 --> 00:13:28,000 Ireland who turned up at our church and she just had like 215 00:13:28,050 --> 00:13:32,280 moved to Guelph on a whim. No plans, no nothing. 216 00:13:33,380 --> 00:13:37,420 She had her chatting with her and, and she was like, well, if 217 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:40,400 you guys know anywhere like I could stay, cause I, I wanna be 218 00:13:40,410 --> 00:13:43,680 here for like the next year or two, you know, is there anywhere 219 00:13:43,690 --> 00:13:45,960 where you, where I can stay? And my wife and I looked at each 220 00:13:45,970 --> 00:13:47,880 other like we got home from church. 221 00:13:47,890 --> 00:13:50,640 We're like, I think she's supposed to live in her house. 222 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:55,660 So like it was just this real deep sense, you know, And so she 223 00:13:55,670 --> 00:13:57,160 did. She actually lived in her house 224 00:13:57,170 --> 00:14:00,800 for, for a year. We were hoping it would be two. 225 00:14:00,870 --> 00:14:04,290 She ended up having to move back after, after a year, but it was 226 00:14:04,300 --> 00:14:06,960 amazing. Like it was so it was such a, 227 00:14:07,010 --> 00:14:11,520 such a gift. It was like, you know, a 228 00:14:11,530 --> 00:14:14,020 friendship that we still maintained at this day. 229 00:14:14,090 --> 00:14:15,780 She was back in Canada last summer. 230 00:14:15,790 --> 00:14:19,110 We, we had her over for lunch and actually she led worship 231 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,190 with me Sunday and like just a beautiful thing that like, you 232 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:26,790 know, just being able to listen to that prompting and just say, 233 00:14:26,860 --> 00:14:28,660 I think she, I think she's actually used to live in her 234 00:14:28,670 --> 00:14:31,880 basement, you know, and it was awesome. 235 00:14:31,930 --> 00:14:35,260 So anyway, that's, I mean, that's sort of like a, an 236 00:14:35,270 --> 00:14:39,390 unexpected little tangential part of this passage, which to 237 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,620 think about what the what the experience of those villages 238 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:44,040 were like. But why don't we get into to 239 00:14:44,050 --> 00:14:47,030 another area here? Yeah, like when the people were 240 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,220 going to don't want us to talk to them and tell them about 241 00:14:51,230 --> 00:14:52,970 Jesus. Yeah, yeah. 242 00:14:53,010 --> 00:14:56,120 So we had a good question from from someone so. 243 00:14:56,250 --> 00:14:57,160 Go ahead. Yeah. 244 00:14:57,170 --> 00:15:03,190 So the question was Jesus uses this example in Luke 9 of 245 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,370 shaking the dust off of your feet. 246 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:08,490 He says shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against 247 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:12,390 them. And Justin kind of explained 248 00:15:12,460 --> 00:15:17,750 that in that time it was this like symbolic gesture, gesture 249 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,790 that marked a location kind of as ceremonially unclean. 250 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:27,340 And someone asked kind of what is the modern day equivalent of 251 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:32,670 that or like, how do we understand that in our context 252 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,230 today? Because we don't have these same 253 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:42,340 ideas of clean and unclean. And, you know, generally, like 254 00:15:44,770 --> 00:15:52,360 creating a testimony against someone is a pretty harsh mark 255 00:15:52,450 --> 00:15:55,200 on them. And So what do we do, you know, 256 00:15:55,210 --> 00:16:00,840 when people are really hostile and response to our faith And 257 00:16:00,910 --> 00:16:05,400 how do we move forward with that, whether or not we, you 258 00:16:05,410 --> 00:16:09,400 know, continue to kind of like gently walk in relationship with 259 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:14,740 them or do we kind of just step away from that? 260 00:16:15,980 --> 00:16:20,150 Yeah, there's a lot of different like angles to approach this 261 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:25,560 from the the first one that comes to my mind is, you know, 262 00:16:25,570 --> 00:16:28,310 that like, hey, some of this is just boundaries. 263 00:16:28,620 --> 00:16:33,530 Like if, if someone is going to treat you with hostility, 264 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,920 someone is going to treat you with aggression, someone is 265 00:16:37,930 --> 00:16:42,570 going to treat you and, and kind of condescending treat you in a 266 00:16:42,580 --> 00:16:46,970 condescending way. Like at some point we just need 267 00:16:46,980 --> 00:16:52,920 to be, we just need willing to say, Hey, I that, that's, that's 268 00:16:52,930 --> 00:16:56,380 not OK. You know, like I, I, I deserve 269 00:16:56,390 --> 00:16:57,940 better treatment than that, right? 270 00:16:58,010 --> 00:17:00,600 So like that's like a very like superficial approach that's just 271 00:17:00,610 --> 00:17:05,540 kind of good for life in general, but specifically as a 272 00:17:05,550 --> 00:17:12,990 Christian ethic. I think about the easiest way, 273 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,819 and I've talked about this a few times before on the podcast, but 274 00:17:15,890 --> 00:17:20,910 the easiest way that I can sort of like give a give an anecdote 275 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,920 or example is is in like online interactions with people, right? 276 00:17:25,089 --> 00:17:35,430 Where like, OK, so keyboard warrior atheists are among the 277 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,490 most. There are lots of thoughtful, 278 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,350 thoughtful atheists who who are, you know, wanting to interact in 279 00:17:42,360 --> 00:17:45,570 good faith. There are many who just want to 280 00:17:45,580 --> 00:17:50,270 insult you for believing in skydaddy, you know, like, and 281 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,390 they will do anything in their power to to belittle and insult. 282 00:17:55,580 --> 00:18:01,140 And one of my favorite things that I regrettably wish I had 283 00:18:01,150 --> 00:18:05,400 started doing earlier was just be kind. 284 00:18:06,070 --> 00:18:13,490 Be loving, don't retaliate because what's going to happen 285 00:18:13,540 --> 00:18:18,440 is that anyone who sees that interaction there, it's going to 286 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:20,240 be a testimony against them, right? 287 00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:22,720 It is it. They are the ones that are going 288 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:25,320 to look bad in that scenario. Hmm, right. 289 00:18:25,330 --> 00:18:27,720 Not me. They might, they might belittle 290 00:18:27,730 --> 00:18:29,110 my beliefs. They might not even agree with 291 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:30,630 my beliefs. But if you're reading that, be 292 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,160 like, wow, that Christian was above reproach in there in their 293 00:18:35,170 --> 00:18:40,260 kindness and their behavior. And also that atheist kind of 294 00:18:40,270 --> 00:18:44,570 looked like a jerk. So I was like, that's that's 295 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:46,890 another angle. And I think that can play out in 296 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:50,980 in real life too. The other, the other part of it 297 00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:54,330 that I'm thinking about is like, and we chatted about this a 298 00:18:54,340 --> 00:19:01,920 little bit. Sometimes we have a partial job 299 00:19:01,930 --> 00:19:05,580 to do when it comes to those who are hostile toward matters of, 300 00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:07,520 of faith, right? Like that. 301 00:19:07,530 --> 00:19:13,080 It is not always going to be my job personally to, to be the one 302 00:19:13,090 --> 00:19:16,010 to, to draw them toward Jesus. Now, as I said on Sunday, this 303 00:19:16,020 --> 00:19:18,620 is all grace. We know this is all God's work 304 00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:21,440 anyway. However, we all have unique 305 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:25,300 roles to play that God works in and through us as individuals. 306 00:19:25,490 --> 00:19:29,840 And and so for me, I, I have learned. 307 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:37,860 I have learned that it is not always going to be my job to do 308 00:19:37,870 --> 00:19:41,040 the thing that they're, that there may be Someone Like You, 309 00:19:41,050 --> 00:19:45,260 someone like Pastor Grant, someone just a, a, you know, a, 310 00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:49,480 an everyday congregant who is going to be able to build a 311 00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:53,150 connection and maybe breakdown those barriers anyway. 312 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:56,400 Yeah, yeah, I also, Paul talks about that in First Corinthians. 313 00:19:56,410 --> 00:19:59,370 He calls out the Corinthian church on kind of they had a 314 00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:02,060 slightly different situation where they were like, oh, I 315 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:05,480 follow Paul and like this is the apostle I'm choosing to like 316 00:20:05,590 --> 00:20:08,700 align with. Or I follow Apollo saying Paul 317 00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:11,630 says this thing where he says, OK, I planted the seed, but 318 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,820 Apollos watered it, but it is God that has been making it 319 00:20:14,830 --> 00:20:16,900 grow. So neither the one who plants 320 00:20:16,910 --> 00:20:19,040 nor the one who waters is anything at all. 321 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:22,730 But only God who makes things grow, the one who plants and the 322 00:20:22,740 --> 00:20:26,030 one who waters, have one purpose and they will each be rewarded 323 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,770 according to their own labour, for we are Co workers in God's 324 00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:33,930 service. I think that kind of sums it up 325 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,730 really well of the we don't know who's going to come along in the 326 00:20:38,740 --> 00:20:45,050 future and you know, water, what we hope is a seed that's been 327 00:20:45,060 --> 00:20:46,890 planted. If we have these encounters 328 00:20:46,900 --> 00:20:53,740 where ultimately we end up being rejected or mistreated or spoken 329 00:20:53,750 --> 00:21:00,060 poorly too, because of our faith, and that's very freeing. 330 00:21:00,070 --> 00:21:05,260 Like, I don't think that means we failed in our sharing of what 331 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:09,340 we believe. And it is a really beautiful 332 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:14,530 opportunity, I think, to trust that God is moving and God is 333 00:21:14,540 --> 00:21:18,070 working in people's way beyond what we can see. 334 00:21:18,140 --> 00:21:20,750 Yeah. And that we might not actually 335 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,390 see what comes of that. And learning to be OK with that 336 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:29,730 and trusting that you know God loves the people he created. 337 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:33,300 Hmm. And we can't love them more than 338 00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:37,170 God loves them. And it doesn't. 339 00:21:38,380 --> 00:21:40,890 I almost think it does the opposite of showing people God 340 00:21:40,900 --> 00:21:45,490 loves them when we start to act as though we can love people 341 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:49,790 better than God can, or that we ultimately know how best to love 342 00:21:51,090 --> 00:21:56,150 the people God created and that's OK. 343 00:21:56,210 --> 00:22:00,090 Hmm. Yeah, I think about like, if 344 00:22:00,100 --> 00:22:04,760 we've been loving, if we've been gracious as much as we are able, 345 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:11,200 if we've been, if we've been truthful, and again, all that 346 00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:13,310 wrapped up in love and grace. Because I think that you can be 347 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,990 truthful. You can and you can be a jerk 348 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,420 about it. If you've been all those things 349 00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:24,380 and they there is still hostility, there is still 350 00:22:24,650 --> 00:22:27,620 rejection. That's where we can say like, 351 00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:30,370 you know, and this is sort of what I almost I, I picture the, 352 00:22:30,380 --> 00:22:32,950 the modern day version of shaking the dust off your feet. 353 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,720 I just sort of mean like, OK, I'm just going to wipe my hands 354 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:36,890 clean of this. And I don't mean that in like a 355 00:22:36,900 --> 00:22:38,810 callous way. Yeah, I, I just mean that in a 356 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:42,260 way of like, hey, I, I don't know what this juncture, if 357 00:22:42,270 --> 00:22:44,400 there's anything more that I can do. 358 00:22:44,820 --> 00:22:47,130 This is up to God. This may be up to, to someone 359 00:22:47,140 --> 00:22:52,770 else, God through them. And and so it's, it's not 360 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,290 something that I think we should spend an inordinate amount of 361 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,890 time worrying over. Right. 362 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,890 Yeah. And and then the other, the 363 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:08,470 other piece that I'm thinking about a little bit is and, and 364 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,770 it's going to sound like I'm, I'm ragging on apologetics and, 365 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:14,450 and I've done this a little bit sometimes in my sermons. 366 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:17,260 So I, I don't want to be like the, I don't want to be known as 367 00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:21,910 like the anti apologetic guy. But one of the concerns I have 368 00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:30,550 is that we think we can debate and argue people into the 369 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,300 Kingdom of God. And I just have never witnessed 370 00:23:35,310 --> 00:23:39,830 that in my life. I think there there is time and 371 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:45,650 space for intellectual theological discourse. 372 00:23:45,660 --> 00:23:47,730 Like I think that that can be valuable. 373 00:23:47,780 --> 00:23:51,070 And I think that if someone is earnestly seeking and, and 374 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,990 looking for, like, if someone, I, I have a friend I grew up 375 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:59,140 with who grew up in the church and eventually to reject it. 376 00:23:59,230 --> 00:24:04,860 And, but they had deeply earnest questions that were like, kind 377 00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:08,000 of like apologetic type questions of like, Hey, I, I 378 00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:12,160 need you to try to convince me because I want to believe. 379 00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:14,280 I need you to try to convince me of the resurrection. 380 00:24:14,350 --> 00:24:18,320 I need you to try to convince me of the validity of Christianity 381 00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:20,240 versus say other faiths or whatever. 382 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:26,810 Like, and, and we had lots of amazing discussions, but they 383 00:24:26,820 --> 00:24:31,550 were earnestly seeking they were they, they wanted good faith 384 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,350 dialogue. Whereas I see all these videos 385 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:39,280 on YouTube of just like, you know, university, like 386 00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:42,590 university lecture halls where, where you bring in some big 387 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,050 speaker. I won't name any names, but and 388 00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:49,270 then they're like, they're having these debates and, and 389 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,280 they go back and forth and I mean, like, no one is going to 390 00:24:52,290 --> 00:24:57,160 walk away from that feeling like man, God's Spirit was there and, 391 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,820 and, and people like repented and they were healed and the 392 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:04,180 message of the Kingdom came out like that. 393 00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:06,320 That's not happening there, right? 394 00:25:06,410 --> 00:25:12,150 And so at some point we need to be able to say, OK, this is not 395 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,000 for me. I'm like in all like I've, I've 396 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:19,470 done everything that is within my power and my control. 397 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:25,870 I leave this up to God. And I think this idea that the 398 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:33,200 gospel, this good news also like comes with this like addition or 399 00:25:33,210 --> 00:25:39,370 byproduct of people being healed and so often, so often is maybe 400 00:25:39,380 --> 00:25:45,340 an exaggeration. There are times where maybe 401 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:52,540 people are proclaiming the good news, but people at minimum are 402 00:25:52,550 --> 00:25:57,260 not being healed and at the worst are being harmed by how 403 00:25:57,270 --> 00:26:03,900 it's being portrayed. And like I, I almost wanna say 404 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:12,030 like, it's not the full gospel if we're leaving out, like if 405 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:18,140 somehow we're missing the steps that actually provide wholeness. 406 00:26:18,150 --> 00:26:20,660 Like kind of like Annabelle talked about a couple of weeks 407 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:24,550 ago about how this idea of salvation, the word means like 408 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:31,770 wholeness and fullness and that it like our salvation not only 409 00:26:31,780 --> 00:26:36,060 like for art souls in a metaphysical sense, but like 410 00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:41,660 every part of us one day will be restored and made whole and 411 00:26:41,670 --> 00:26:44,640 perfect again. And I'm not always sure that 412 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:48,800 that's the understanding of the good news that we carry and of 413 00:26:48,810 --> 00:26:53,060 the Kingdom that we preach, even though that's what was 414 00:26:53,070 --> 00:26:55,040 happening. Like maybe it's not physical 415 00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:58,210 healing, but maybe it's, you know, the bitterness or the hurt 416 00:26:58,220 --> 00:27:00,790 that people have been carrying for years because of what's 417 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,020 happened to them. And then they encounter Jesus 418 00:27:04,030 --> 00:27:08,120 and that just melts away. Like that is still healing that 419 00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:16,020 should be coming with Jesus and that's so beautiful and 420 00:27:16,030 --> 00:27:18,600 witnessing that like it's not like this is an impossible 421 00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:21,570 thing. Like it happens. 422 00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:26,280 Those of us who follow Jesus have had those experiences where 423 00:27:26,290 --> 00:27:29,550 God has done that work. And I think it almost it does 424 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:35,050 people a disservice when we don't want to offer all of that 425 00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:37,500 to them as well. The whole picture of the gospel, 426 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:41,120 right and and that's why I and Pastor Grants been doing this to 427 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:42,720 you. I think we all have is that 428 00:27:42,730 --> 00:27:49,080 we've been trying to say, look, the Kingdom looks like, yes, the 429 00:27:49,090 --> 00:27:52,420 proclaiming of the word, but it also looks like healing and 430 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:55,660 restoration and, and all of these things that Jesus set out 431 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:59,570 when he talked about, when you talked about the Kingdom coming 432 00:27:59,580 --> 00:28:06,510 in, in Luke chapter 4. And, and he, he is making a very 433 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:11,750 clear statement that these things work in tandem, right? 434 00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:18,540 And so I think it's one of the the pitfalls of, of primarily, I 435 00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:22,060 want to be careful how I say this, but like primarily just 436 00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:25,740 like preaching the gospel, so to speak. 437 00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:28,790 And I, and I say that almost in quotation marks because I don't, 438 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,960 I don't actually think you can preach the gospel without there 439 00:28:30,970 --> 00:28:34,980 being works attached to it. Like James is pretty clear on 440 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:38,030 that. Yeah, I just pulled up classic 441 00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:40,180 James. Chapter 2 says, what good is it 442 00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:42,760 to my brothers and sisters? If someone claims to have faith 443 00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:45,500 but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 444 00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:48,660 Suppose suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and 445 00:28:48,670 --> 00:28:51,300 daily food. If one of you says to them go in 446 00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:54,760 peace, keep warm and well fed, but does nothing about their 447 00:28:54,770 --> 00:28:58,600 physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself 448 00:28:58,610 --> 00:29:02,400 is not accompanied by if it is not accompanied by action is 449 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:05,240 dead. And that is a like that's a 450 00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:09,000 pretty intense statement. That's, I mean, Christians over 451 00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:14,380 the centuries have hotly debated about the the implications of 452 00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:16,700 that. But, but I, I think we, we can 453 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:22,980 make it too complicated. It's that the Kingdom, if it is 454 00:29:23,030 --> 00:29:25,940 you, you can't, you can't dissect the Kingdom in terms of 455 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:29,300 here's here's sort of like the gospel proclamation part. 456 00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:31,580 Yeah. And here's the we're going to 457 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:35,920 help you be healed and restored and be fed and clothed and all 458 00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:38,180 that. Those those two cannot be 459 00:29:38,190 --> 00:29:47,370 compartmentalized, Yeah. Yeah, they just, they, yeah, I 460 00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:50,240 like that almost more than the oh, there's this part and we 461 00:29:50,250 --> 00:29:52,930 need to see it with this part. It's like they're just so 462 00:29:52,940 --> 00:29:56,930 interlocked. They it is one package. 463 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:04,050 And if yeah, you're not seeing all of those pieces, it's 464 00:30:04,060 --> 00:30:06,130 probably a different package altogether. 465 00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:10,600 Yes. Or on the other hand, though, I 466 00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:16,270 think sometimes we're too quick to be like harsh in our judgment 467 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,470 of, you know, you must be a heretic because I'm not seeing 468 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,040 XYZ fruit or you must be preaching a false gospel. 469 00:30:26,340 --> 00:30:30,850 And I think sometimes, like God does work behind the scenes and 470 00:30:30,860 --> 00:30:34,200 we can't always see the full picture of what's going on. 471 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:38,160 My last year working at camp are like theme, not theme, but like 472 00:30:38,170 --> 00:30:41,640 our thing for the summer was that we see a part in God sees 473 00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:43,840 the whole. So we would go like this, we see 474 00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:46,700 a part, but God sees the whole because it's like, you know, 475 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:50,490 peripheral vision. But I think about that a lot, 476 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:54,050 especially with things like this of the I only have a limited 477 00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:58,670 vision. Yeah, I cannot and do not want 478 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,410 the responsibility of seeing all that God sees. 479 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,780 That is a great. No thank. 480 00:31:03,790 --> 00:31:05,610 You. No, no, I'm good. 481 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:13,340 I'm good, but I need to be kept humble and remember that, yeah, 482 00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:19,900 it's not my job to see everything or to know everything 483 00:31:19,910 --> 00:31:23,260 or to do everything. Well, that's a good that raises 484 00:31:23,270 --> 00:31:26,080 a good point as well of like, you know, let's let's even just 485 00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:32,940 use the example of of myself and pastor Grant where grant is the 486 00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:36,020 grant is the lead pastor. I am the pastor of worship and 487 00:31:36,030 --> 00:31:43,340 outreach within that grant has a a greater a greater 488 00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:48,830 responsibility for the word right for the written and spoken 489 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,320 proclamation of the gospel right. 490 00:31:50,330 --> 00:31:52,190 That is it. It's not to say he doesn't care 491 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,230 about the other stuff. I know he deeply does. 492 00:31:55,100 --> 00:31:58,390 And it's not to say I don't care about the gospel proclamation 493 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,390 piece as well. I I definitely do. 494 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,330 I hope I did that on Sunday right. 495 00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:09,060 But that we both have strengths and, and bents and embassies and 496 00:32:09,070 --> 00:32:13,420 This is why in the Kingdom we need each other because that we 497 00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:17,040 are all wired differently and God has gifted us differently. 498 00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:22,100 And, and so, you know, for someone like Grant, he is, he 499 00:32:22,110 --> 00:32:24,090 is. So I'm going to brag on him for 500 00:32:24,100 --> 00:32:26,040 just a moment because he's on vacation right now. 501 00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:27,660 So he's not here to hear it anyway. 502 00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:30,210 But like he's so quick on his feet. 503 00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:31,990 He can. It'll be like Wednesday and be 504 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,020 like, yeah, I've written the sermon in my head. 505 00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:35,800 I've been like, how did you do that? 506 00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:38,600 Like he's like, yeah, I could get up and preach it now and, 507 00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:41,080 and be like, but you haven't written it. 508 00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:43,480 He's like, I know, but that's the last thing I do. 509 00:32:43,570 --> 00:32:44,870 And I was like, I gotta write it. 510 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,630 But like first and then I, you know, like just our process is 511 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,550 so different and God has uniquely gifted in him, in him 512 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,110 in a very particular way that he has not gifted me in. 513 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,110 And and I think the vice versa, right? 514 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,430 That there are there that there are strengths and bents that 515 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,390 that I have that complement right? 516 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:06,850 And and I think that we we need each other. 517 00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:10,950 We need each other so. Yeah, I think that also, like 518 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,790 sometimes, you know, I will, this would happen like when I 519 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,840 was at camp a lot where we would have, you know, kind of notice 520 00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:23,250 that there was a camper who had certain questions or like, 521 00:33:23,260 --> 00:33:25,910 wrestlings. And you very quickly recognized 522 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:32,290 that like, you're not the person like for this job. 523 00:33:32,580 --> 00:33:37,400 But we had this, which is kind of well worked system of being 524 00:33:37,410 --> 00:33:40,880 like, OK, I know this other person has had experiences that 525 00:33:40,890 --> 00:33:45,620 might better resonate or just be able to communicate this with 526 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:49,040 less intensity or more intensity, depending on like the 527 00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:55,580 kid and their their personality. And to be just OK to hand that 528 00:33:55,590 --> 00:34:00,690 off to each other or like work together in that process so that 529 00:34:00,750 --> 00:34:04,760 people can come to know Jesus. And that's, that doesn't mean 530 00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:07,760 we've done something wrong or that we we have failed. 531 00:34:08,449 --> 00:34:11,420 And it's, you know, better to work as a team. 532 00:34:11,489 --> 00:34:15,650 It it's just it's more fun and it. 533 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:18,510 Well, and it's good. It's like, it's good when we 534 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,949 know ourselves. Yeah, it's a good thing, right? 535 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,810 And, and even, you know, for us as individuals and for us as a 536 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:30,090 church, because when we look at the the, the scope across even 537 00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:32,909 just our city, there are churches that are going to have 538 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,489 greater strengths in different ways, right? 539 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:41,830 And, and the way that we, the way that we interact with one 540 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,540 another should be, you know, like I, I hope, and I think I've 541 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:50,040 actually done this before with people is, you know, I've been 542 00:34:50,050 --> 00:34:52,330 someone, if they're newer to town or whatever and they're 543 00:34:52,340 --> 00:34:54,659 like looking at churches were like, look, hey, here's who we 544 00:34:54,670 --> 00:34:57,240 are as a church. Yeah, here's who I am as a 545 00:34:57,250 --> 00:34:59,920 pastor. Here's who Grant as is as a 546 00:34:59,930 --> 00:35:02,440 pastor. Here's what we bring to the 547 00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:04,940 table. We have a unique, we have a 548 00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:09,570 unique bench toward XY and Z depending on what you're looking 549 00:35:09,580 --> 00:35:12,060 for, I could probably give you 3 other churches that might be a, 550 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,790 a really strong fit for you. And I don't mean that in like a, 551 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,460 a consumeristic way. I just mean that in a way of 552 00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:22,670 like, hey, your, your leanings, your theological leanings, your 553 00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:26,530 kind of your lifestyle leanings, your, your bent, you might be 554 00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:29,890 better suited over over here at this Baptist Church or whatever, 555 00:35:29,900 --> 00:35:31,830 right? And and so I think that we can 556 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,910 even extrapolate that further from the individual as well, 557 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,830 right? And I think it's really cool 558 00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,750 that, you know, like at court, right, we have a big involvement 559 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,470 in food security in our city. But there are other churches 560 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,450 where they have a much larger focus on like meeting housing 561 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:55,250 needs or churches that are downtown and are kind of 562 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:58,210 involved in our downtown core are going to have different 563 00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:00,850 roles in meeting the needs of our city and. 564 00:36:01,250 --> 00:36:06,260 Right on the front lines, it's. You know, like there is no one 565 00:36:06,270 --> 00:36:12,590 church that can do all of it. And so it's, it's OK. 566 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,650 And it's good that we kind of, you know, divide and tackle. 567 00:36:17,690 --> 00:36:20,790 I don't want to say conquer. That feels like the wrong word, 568 00:36:21,180 --> 00:36:22,350 but. You're just saying. 569 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,210 Yeah, say, OK, this is what God has made our group of people 570 00:36:26,220 --> 00:36:28,450 passionate about, but we also want to work together. 571 00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:30,910 Like we want to have good relationships with the other 572 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,920 ministries in our city so that people's needs can be met and 573 00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:40,370 they can be healed and they can encounter Jesus in the ways that 574 00:36:40,380 --> 00:36:44,330 they need to encounter Jesus. Yeah, yeah. 575 00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:46,870 God, God meets us all in, in different ways. 576 00:36:47,180 --> 00:36:51,710 And, and that's true for those of us who are already followers 577 00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:56,770 of Jesus, but also for those who are not, you know, being in a 578 00:36:56,780 --> 00:37:01,910 downtown ministry context and working with, working with 579 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:07,010 marginalized people, that brings a unique set of skills that not 580 00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:09,480 every church is equipped to, to do well right now. 581 00:37:09,590 --> 00:37:15,680 And, and then also the, the, the, the spiritual and physical 582 00:37:15,690 --> 00:37:19,040 needs present are so different, right? 583 00:37:19,470 --> 00:37:23,200 And so there is, but God, but God meets people in a very 584 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:27,450 profound way in those places. So, yeah, like I, I think that 585 00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:30,470 the, the broader point that I'm, I'm thinking about when it comes 586 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,320 to this whole idea of, you know, dusting your feet off if someone 587 00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:37,220 rejects the gospel or whatever is, is that like, yes, yes to 588 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:42,410 boundaries, yes to, you know, being kind and gracious above 589 00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:44,970 all else and saying I've done what I can do. 590 00:37:44,980 --> 00:37:51,300 I leave this with God and also recognizing that we are not the 591 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:54,330 whole picture for that individual that God may be at 592 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:59,790 work in their life in in the weeks and years and decades 593 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,070 ahead. Right. 594 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:06,450 So anything else from the passage that's worth jumping 595 00:38:06,460 --> 00:38:10,670 into a little bit? I think we kind of covered the 596 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,450 bulk of it. Like I guess we didn't really 597 00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:16,290 get into too much with like with Herod and all that. 598 00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:19,110 It feels hard to without speculating. 599 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,110 Sure. You know, like the what were his 600 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,140 intentions? What was Why did he want to see 601 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:28,980 Jesus? Well, I mean, I think based on 602 00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:32,490 the fact that he beheaded John or was responsible for the for 603 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,430 the beginning of, I think we can at least say that his intentions 604 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:41,980 were not good, that he was probably concerned, to put it 605 00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:45,070 lightly about. He was perplexed, perplexed, 606 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,110 which is a great word. I should, I don't think I looked 607 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,800 that up the Greek on that one. I, I probably should have 608 00:38:49,810 --> 00:38:52,820 because I, I, I'm curious. Maybe I'll do that later. 609 00:38:52,870 --> 00:39:01,280 But yeah, like there's there is something interesting with with 610 00:39:01,290 --> 00:39:10,020 this little aside and, and just I think it's worth exploring, 611 00:39:10,090 --> 00:39:13,780 you know, with when it comes to you, when it comes to our 612 00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:18,000 church, when it comes to how we approach, how we approach our 613 00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:21,180 faith, how we approach what we're doing, who's taking 614 00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:24,260 notice? You know, and I say that in both 615 00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:29,400 a good and bad way. Like who's taking notice of if 616 00:39:29,410 --> 00:39:37,980 we are, if we're really not being Kingdom minded in our 617 00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:42,460 approach to whatever, you know, insert whatever matter you could 618 00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:45,860 imagine people are gonna take notice. 619 00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:48,600 Yeah, right. And hopefully the inverse is 620 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:52,480 true that if we are, if we're doing, you know, good work, if 621 00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:55,660 we are, if we are making a difference spiritually, 622 00:39:55,670 --> 00:40:00,000 physically in our, in our region, who say who's taking 623 00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:02,060 notice? You know, one of the one of the 624 00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:06,120 really sobering questions that a previous church that I that I 625 00:40:06,130 --> 00:40:09,680 worked at often asked, which I think was a great question, is 626 00:40:09,790 --> 00:40:15,540 if we closed tomorrow. Who would be impacted? 627 00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:17,710 Who would? Who would even notice? 628 00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:23,080 Yeah. Well. 629 00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:25,300 We'll leave you with that one. Yeah. 630 00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:27,900 And I mean, like that's, that's worth considering not just as a 631 00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:29,700 church, but also for you as an individual. 632 00:40:29,710 --> 00:40:33,220 If you left your house, if you left your neighborhood, what 633 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:37,740 what impact would be felt? And so maybe that's a question 634 00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:42,520 to to Mull over with, with your family, with your friends and 635 00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:46,200 wherever you find yourself this week, whether you are 636 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:49,620 vacationing or whether you are here in Guelph with us or 637 00:40:49,630 --> 00:40:52,420 whether maybe you're just stumbling across this in some 638 00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:54,760 other corner of the world or universe. 639 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,590 I guess not universe, because boy. 640 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,650 Yeah, if you're from Mars, let us know. 641 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,130 Yeah, perfect. Fantastic. 642 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,370 So wherever you find yourself, on Earth or not, we hope that 643 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,910 you have a wonderful week and we'll catch you next time.