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Hey friends, welcome to another 
episode of the podcast Sunday. 

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Sit down. 
I need to start remembering the 

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name in my introductions. 
And we are happy that you're 

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with us. 
We're talking about everybody's 

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favorite R words. 
It's not reduce, reuse, and 

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recycle. 
It is revenge, retribution, and 

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rejection. 
So you may already want to turn 

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this thing off, but we hope that
it helps you think a little bit 

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deeper about your own faith, 
your relationship to Jesus, your

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relationship to others. 
And ultimately, we hope that 

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this pushes you toward community
and conversation and deeper 

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connection with those around 
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You missed another. 
You could have had more 

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alliteration in their community.
Community was it was the other 

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word you said. 
Community conversation, 

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conversation and Christ 
likeness. 

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There we go. 
If I do too many of those 

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though, I just start saying the 
wrong words like I got 2IN me. 

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That's it, that's all. 
Hey, we do. 

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We hope that this encourages you
this week. 

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And we know that many of you 
listen to these things in the 

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car, on your drive, where things
like revenge and retribution 

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might become part of, you know, 
your way of being or felt 

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experience. 
And we also know that many of 

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you are just like out for walks,
working out, exercising, doing 

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chores, commuting to work all 
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But really, at the end of the 
day, we want you to hear this. 

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We hope that our conversation 
challenges you to have your own 

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conversations with those around 
you about the deep and 

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meaningful things of, of faith. 
So we're in Luke 9 still, which 

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if you are not new, won't 
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We've got one more week left in 
Luke 9 and then we're into 10. 

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So this week we will close out 
Luke 9. 

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But let's jump in. 
This passage is short enough. 

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Justin, why don't you read it 
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And then we'll we'll jump into 
some conversations. 

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Sounds good, and it's worth 
noting we did. 

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We did miss last week. 
We we missed it, we missed a 

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week. 
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I think it's only the second 
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didn't get to unpack the 
previous week partly because of 

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this guy one pointing to myself,
if you're listening, I having an

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illness and so that kind of 
threw off our week 

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substantially, but we'll make up
for it with a good one today. 

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Hope we're back. 
All right, let me read from Luke

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9 starting at verse 51. 
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him to be taken up to heaven, 
Jesus resolutely set out for 

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Jerusalem. 
And he set and he sent 

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messengers gone ahead who went 
into a Samaritan village to get 

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things ready for him. 
But the people there did not 

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welcome him because he was 
heading for Jerusalem. 

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When the disciples James and 
John saw this, they asked, Lord,

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do you want us to call fire down
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But Jesus turned and rebuked 
them, and he then he and his 

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disciples went to another 
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So it's probably worth 
connecting some dots I think 

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because we didn't have a 
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So thanks for that reminder. 
Like I'm already we were talking

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about this. 
I'm already so far into future 

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passages like this coming 
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I'm having a hard time even 
remembering this past Sunday and

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then the Sunday previous. 
But worth connecting a few dots 

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for people. 
One, the main event in our 

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passage from this past Sunday is
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being welcomed. 
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specifically by this Samaritan 
city, by the people in this 

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town. 
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disciples arguing about who is 
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what Jesus says is whoever 
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So it's all about hospitality. 
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disciples about they themselves 
learning to welcome and embrace 

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the last and the least. 
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what is due a guest of honor to 
little children who in Jesus's 

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day were not deserving of of 
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hospitality. 
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teaching from Jesus on 
hospitality and it's not one 

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where they look great. 
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thinking they're trying to push 
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There's this guy running around 
casting out demons in Jesus's 

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name. 
That's not one of the disciples.

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And the disciples are all 
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They're like, not that guy, 
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We don't have to welcome him. 
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him. 
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Certainly like he doesn't count.
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crowd and Jesus like so they're 
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the greatest? 
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to welcome the least. 
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like, yeah, but not this guy, 
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And then now they're on the 
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and they're angry about it. 
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Think. 
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It's painful to watch the 
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and over again because they just
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It's like they they're not. 
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They're now angry for the thing.
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don't offer hospitality just 
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to the last and the least. 
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they're not offering 
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Now we're going to be angry, but
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they're they're like, they're 
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indignation because they're not 
receiving hospitality after they

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were just lectured on giving 
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So man, the disciples are going 
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kind of whiplash. 
Why not understanding what 

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hospitality really is and looks 
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Hmm. 
And now they've got their backs 

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up because they're not being 
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They respond in a way that, 
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And you and you kind of went 
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it. 
It almost seems like if if you 

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removed from context very 
random, like would you call down

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fire from heaven? 
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to do that for you? 
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We'll do it. 
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it's a callback to to Elijah the
prophet and, and the, the events

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that happened in at the top of 
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prophets of bail. 
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it's, it's a comical response in
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And I don't know whether it's 
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as a modern reader, it reads 
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unbelievable. 
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Yeah, it is. 
So you get the disciples who who

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couldn't cast out the demon from
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now they're like, but we'll call
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And like I read that and I go, 
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You couldn't do it before. 
You couldn't do the Yeah, you 

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can do anything before, So what 
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That makes you think, yeah, 
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And I think I said, I think I 
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And obviously it's not in the 
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it, but I like to think that 
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At any rate, that's what goes 
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It is. 
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pulling forward from their 
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which is the contest on Mount 
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Baal or Bail and the prophets of
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I've heard another ball. 
I've heard that as well. 

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Yeah, I'm probably gonna say it 
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rest of the podcast, I think. 
I said just name it and just go 

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with. 
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It I said it both ways in the 
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the sentence. 
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that I think makes it a little 
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that first Kings 18 and kind of 
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it's so Ahab is king at this 
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There's famine, people are 
starving, and a lot of it has to

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do with the people rejecting 
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So the people have rejected God 
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by these prophets. 
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hey, let's set the record 
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No more 1 foot in one foot out. 
No more following Ashra Bale and

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their profits and God and his 
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But you know, it's, it's you're 
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And we're actually going to 
double down on that specific 

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idea this coming Sunday where 
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you have to look forward. 
And what he's saying is you're 

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either all in or you're not. 
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happened is that the people are 
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They're very split. 
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And in splitting their loyalty, 
they are inherently they're 

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rejecting God because God says, 
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all. 
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up to the top of the mountain. 
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whichever God shows up and 
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that's the true God. 
All of it. 

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Like that stage is set because 
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And so I think that in some way 
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are some geographical 
similarities and even like 

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Samaria is named in the lead up 
to that contest on the top of 

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Mount Normal. 
So like, if there's even 

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cultural, historical 
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where they are. 
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None of that made it into the 
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Yeah. 
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of those cues would kind of be 
prompting the disciples who then

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say, we think we know what this 
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The people of Israel rejected 
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Elijah called down fire from 
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Prophets are killed at the end. 
All of that started because the 

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people rejected God. 
Now these people are rejecting 

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Jesus. 
They don't follow the true God 

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they worship. 
Not in Jerusalem should we call 

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down. 
So the similarities start to 

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mount and then you go, OK, that 
it does make some sense why 

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they're immediately there in 
their minds. 

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Yeah, because it feels a little 
extreme, but when you, when you 

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unpack the context, it 
definitely makes a lot more 

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sense. 
And then on top of that, the, 

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you know, the, the relationship 
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and the, and the Samaritan 
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Hmm, which you unpacked a little
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But it's, I mean, it's, it's, 
it's hard for us to comprehend 

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just how deep the chasm is 
between these people. 

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Like it was the, the hatred 
between them. 

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I think there are probably some 
modern analogs you can listen or

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fill in the blanks with what you
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I'm not going to name them, but 
I think we could, you know, 

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think of some modern analogue to
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But I don't think that we here 
in North America have an have a 

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have a similar divide in the way
that these two people did. 

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No, no, I don't. 
I don't think so. 

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So, yeah. 
Deeply historical, Deeply 

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theological. 
Political. 

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It's almost. 
It's everything that you're 

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told, like hey, on a first date,
don't talk about these things. 

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Or like when you meet your 
potential future in laws for the

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first time, don't talk about 
these things. 

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It's like all of those. 
Religion, race, culture, 

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politics, all all of the. 
Things, it's all of it wrapped 

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together, right. 
So which essentially is the 

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human experience. 
But yeah, it, it very, very deep

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divide. 
And it it does, it does lend 

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power to the way Jesus wants to 
talk about the hospitality 

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that's meant to be given within 
the Kingdom of God, right? 

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When he tells the parable of the
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And like, when he's, he's 
talking through how to properly 

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love your neighbors, he's not 
talking about loving people that

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you enjoy being around. 
He's not like, hey, you know, 

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invited us for a BBQ last week 
so we're going to go help shovel

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their snow. 
Like their drive. 

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What I like it's not isn't like 
friendly. 

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Love your neighbors, it is love 
people. 

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You are deeply divided with and 
who you have deep, deep 

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disagreement on and even 
resentment toward at times, but,

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you know, love the people that 
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That's a much more radical call 
to hospitality. 

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And it's also like it's wild to 
see Jesus telling the story 

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around like in a sense, like the
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exactly the is. 
It's exactly not the person they

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would have been expecting. 
Yes. 

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Yeah, so you know it. 
Yeah, big, big divide. 

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But all of its settles, all of 
it kind of lands on this idea of

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rejection. 
So the people of Samaria in this

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town are themselves, like 
historically, I think somewhat 

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like internalized as a culture, 
a rejected people. 

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Yes. 
And so in some ways, it makes 

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sense that they would, you know,
they would have their hackles up

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a little bit and they're they're
not going to be automatically 

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receptive to this, this message 
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were bringing. 
Yeah, like it, it makes sense. 

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We see elsewhere, like John 
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Samaritan woman at the well. 
And and that story there, you 

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see it, it doesn't start it. 
You know, it happens slowly over

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time where they build this 
relationship and connection. 

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And then the gospel spreads to 
the Samaritan people there. 

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But here, they're not ready for 
it. 

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They're not ready for it. 
And and they reject it. 

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Right. 
And I think you can see you can 

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be really practical here. 
You can see how for us it's 

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still, I think it's still the 
same in inside of relationship. 

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Rejection begets rejection, 
right? 

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How many times do you with 
friends, spouses, relatives, 

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what parents, parents in-law, 
like whoever the relationship, 

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name a relationship, but how 
often do you reject because you 

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feel that you've been rejected, 
right? 

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And that's like that's a spiral 
of negative sort of, I feel 

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rejected, so therefore I'm going
to reject. 

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Rejection begets more rejection,
and that chasm just grows, which

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is exactly what's happened here 
over a long period of time. 

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Like, we're talking hundreds of 
years at this point. 

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So it is a situation where, you 
know, it's not as simple as this

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one town just didn't accept 
Jesus, so we're going to be 

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angry. 
Yeah. 

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This is, Yeah. 
Generation after generation of 

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people who are deeply divided 
and have been, like, pushed 

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away. 
And like, I think again, just 

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really practically in terms of 
our own relationships, I know 

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that I need like there are 
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where I need to just choose to 
stop that cycle or you just have

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to actually name it and stop 
that. 

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Like, I feel rejected. 
You feel rejected. 

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I'm prone to reject like reject 
like pushing harder. 

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There's I think a significant, 
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learning to name that and just 
like arresting it because like 

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how many, even just I think of 
how many marriages have wrestled

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with that kind of negative 
input, like feedback loop spiral

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of yeah, rejection. 
And I mean, rejection is, is 

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common to all of us. 
It's something we all experience

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in one way. 
In other words, whether it's 

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like a job rejection or, you 
know, unrequited love or, or, or

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just someone who you want to 
like you doesn't like you, You 

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know, like, I even like going 
back to like elementary school, 

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right? 
Where you, you try to be friends

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with someone and they just sort 
of shove you off, right? 

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But it gets us something so core
to our identity, right, That 

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when we feel rejected, we take 
it naturally, very personally, 

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very deeply. 
And, and one thing I, I've 

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noticed in myself as I've 
experienced rejection in various

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ways is that when I've been 
unhealthy and I would say like, 

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I would categorize that as like 
not connected with, with God in,

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in healthy ways and healthy 
rhythms. 

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When I am listening to voices, I
ought not to listen to you. 

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When I, when I am unhealthy, I 
end up experiencing the 

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rejection so much more 
personally, so much more like 

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unobjective rely and it and it 
rattles me to my core, you know,

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and I can name a season where I 
was feeling a, a number of 

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rejections and, and feeling like
a whole bunch of people, like 

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separately were all rejecting me
is in a tough season of 

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ministry. 
And, and I meanwhile, there were

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so many other who were 
surrounding me with love and 

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care and support and, and, and 
propping me up, but all I could 

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focus on was the rejection. 
And so I think about that and 

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then I think about how, how we 
can receive rejection in a, in a

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healthy way. 
The disciples did not receive 

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rejection in healthy way here. 
They kind of played into the the

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history and they played into all
of the things and they were 

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like, let's just, you know, 
let's just destroy them. 

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Which, yeah, I think that 
categorically unhealthy. 

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But when I know who I am just 
feeling sure of who I am in 

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Christ, Hmm, who I am just as as
an individual when I know my 

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strengths, when when God is is 
affirming who I am not, not 

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everything because I'm not 
perfect. 

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We all know that. 
But like that when I when when 

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God is is speaking into my life 
in that way, then I can 

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experience that rejection in a 
very different way of like, hey,

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this, this is not the end of the
world. 

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Hmm, Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I think, I 

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think you're exactly right. 
So rejection I think at its core

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is connected to identity. 
And so a couple weeks ago we 

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talked about some of these core 
longings that people have and 

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the on borrowing language from 
Terry Wardle and others who talk

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about like the human being 
having these created longings, 

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like heart longings. 
So these are desires, wants, 

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needs. 
You know, we're kind of wrap all

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of that up into one, but they're
gonna pull you in directions. 

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You are gonna constantly be 
seeking them because you've been

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created for them. 
And one of the core longings is 

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to belong. 
And one of the other one of 

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another one of the six is I 
can't remember the exact. 

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I think it's significance. 
It's either significance or 

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purpose that used. 
And I anyways, I can't remember 

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the exact word, but so I think I
think rejection hits at multiple

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levels of that. 
So it it speaks in a negative 

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way against that belonging, 
right? 

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So each of us want, need, long 
desire, look for belonging. 

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We need to know that there is a 
community that we are a part of 

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and that we fit within that 
community. 

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And it's kind of like we see the
disciples fighting amongst 

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themselves. 
Who's the greatest? 

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That's what that's exactly what 
they're looking. 

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For they're looking for exactly.
So they're doing this social 

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comparison thing where we 
constantly compare ourselves to 

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other people because I'm trying 
to understand who I am and I'm 

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trying to understand where I 
belong. 

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Do I like, is there a place for 
me? 

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Is there a role for me? 
Do I have like, is there 

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something meaningful for me to 
contribute that I can uniquely 

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contribute to this community? 
That's what we're trying to 

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wrestle out. 
And so rejection is is in so 

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many ways like the the 
antithesis of that. 

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It plays on, it plays toward 
that that belonging and that 

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need to belong and it plays 
toward that need for 

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significance and that meaning 
that my life has meaning within 

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this community. 
So when you're rejected, it 

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pushes against that. 
One of the other court longings 

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is simply to be loved, right? 
Human beings were created to to 

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experience love. 
So what I mean by that is to 

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love one another, to be loved 
and to love. 

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And when you're rejected, it's 
again, it is severing so many of

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these things that we've been 
created to experience and look 

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for and long for. 
Um, and rejection is ultimately,

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yeah, just the I'm going to cut 
you off in so many ways from 

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what you've been created to 
experience. 

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And so I think ultimately, and 
we all struggle with this, but 

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ultimately, um, like I believe 
you've been created to 

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experience those longings inside
of a relationship with God 

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ultimate like that the highest 
form of those longings are 

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satisfied our filled inside of 
our relationship with Jesus. 

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Yeah. 
So you're always going to look 

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for love until you find it in 
the one who created you in love.

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You're going to try to find it 
in ways and shapes and forms 

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that are less than that love. 
Not that they're bad, they're 

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just less than. 
And so I see this happen. 

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Like what happens? 
Yeah, people get married and 

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then they, you know, let's say 
they have kids. 

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The kids become like the the 
thing like that, that they are 

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your meaning in life, your life 
existence is to raise these kids

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and to love them and to see them
successful. 

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And that's a good inclination. 
But how many couples do you and 

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I see over our careers who 
become empty nesters and then 

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eventually separate? 
Just implodes, right? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, You haven't. 

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You haven't taken that time. 
It's funny that you bring that 

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up. 
My, my niece, 16 years old, 

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she's in high school. 
She, she FaceTime me last night 

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and she's like, hey, I have some
questions. 

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I'm doing a project on parenting
for school. 

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And, and, and the first question
that she asked was like how, you

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know, how do parents like, make 
sure they, they like, make time 

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for each other after having like
a, a newborn and a kid? 

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And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, 
that's, that is the challenge. 

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And you and you have to do that 
like, otherwise exactly what 

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you're describing when you, if 
you don't, at least at times, 

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prioritize your your marital 
relationship, by the time that 

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kid leaves, it's like, what do 
you have left? 

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Yeah, yeah. 
So I would even take it one step

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further because I think couples 
that end up in that position and

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end up in it for a variety of 
very difficult reasons. 

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Sure. 
But what I do see is when people

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get married, the marriage 
becomes the most important 

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thing, like the idle. 
And then when they have kids, 

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the kids become the idol. 
And then when the kids grow up 

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and leave, well, they've just 
shifted one out of front. 

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So this this hasn't been worked 
on. 

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You're not likely to go back to 
the the the spouse being the 

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other cause that's old news. 
When when actually what was 

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problematic is that the marriage
was the idol to begin with. 

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And so it's, I think until we 
find, until we find ultimately 

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a, a source of or what it is 
like to be loved by God. 

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Hmm. 
Our, our we will prioritize our 

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loving relationships and put 
them in places that they weren't

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meant to be. 
Yeah. 

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So whether that's, you know, we 
elevate the marriage or we 

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elevate the kids or we elevate 
the friendship, we whatever it 

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is, we're we're putting it in 
the we're looking for something 

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that ultimately are created to 
experience inside a relationship

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with God. 
So like it happens with love and

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belonging community, like all of
it. 

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What I think what the Christian 
invitation is, is to find those 

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core identity longings, those 
pieces ultimately first really 

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inside of your relationship with
Jesus, and then to work them out

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inside of your relationship with
other people. 

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But again, like until, until 
that first relationship is 

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first. 
So I think of some of it like 

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the letters, the letters in 
Revelation, right? 

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You've forgotten your first love
that I think that we, we missed 

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prioritize things and you know, 
just to come back to rejection. 

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Uh, I think the firmer and, and 
this is, this is what you've 

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said, the firmer or the more 
solid concrete lived out, 

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experienced, your identity is 
inside of relationship with 

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Jesus. 
The less emphasis you're gonna 

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put on kind of trying to grab 
these other relationships and 

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the less you're going to give 
them credit for things that 

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don't belong there. 
Yeah. 

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So the you're it's not that 
you're not gonna. 

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The rejection still sucks. 
Yeah, it's still stings. 

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Yeah, and it's like it's, it's 
hard and sometimes you're 

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rejected for horrible reasons. 
You're like, what's that about? 

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And sometimes you need to hear 
rejection and go, oh, OK, I got 

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some stuff to work on. 
Either way, it's still sucks. 

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Like, it's not pleasant, but I 
think where we fall apart is 

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when we're were accidentally or 
implicitly looking for those 

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things inside of those 
relationships. 

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Yeah, that are really, truly 
meant to be found in God. 

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So just to take it really 
practical, uh, you know, you're 

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rejected at work to some degree 
or another. 

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Maybe it's your ideas, maybe 
it's for a promotion. 

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Maybe it's that you've been laid
off. 

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Maybe it's that you're fired for
whatever reason, you have 

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rejection at work. 
Well, if it works my idle, like 

452
00:27:42,050 --> 00:27:47,760
if I live to work, if my 
identity is my job, if all that 

453
00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:51,980
I am is this profession, then 
that rejection is going to 

454
00:27:51,990 --> 00:27:55,160
shatter your identity as a human
being. 

455
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
And I go, that's not the way we 
were created. 

456
00:27:59,170 --> 00:28:02,090
So again, that's not to like 
heap shame and guilt on people 

457
00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:03,340
here. 
Be like, I'm already feeling 

458
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:05,440
rejected and now you're telling 
me it's my fault. 

459
00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:10,700
No, that's not what I'm saying. 
What I'm saying is, yeah, I, I 

460
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:13,340
think the important work that 
the Christian can do is to 

461
00:28:14,070 --> 00:28:19,130
deepen your, your relationship 
with Jesus, grow your spiritual 

462
00:28:19,140 --> 00:28:21,660
health, your emotional health 
inside of that place. 

463
00:28:21,670 --> 00:28:24,200
Yeah. 
Find inside of that place those 

464
00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:27,810
things that you're longing for, 
and you'll still experience 

465
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:32,390
rejection, but it won't shatter 
the core of who you are. 

466
00:28:32,700 --> 00:28:35,070
I think something worth naming, 
just as we're talking about 

467
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:44,290
rejection, that there is a type 
of rejection that is so deep. 

468
00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:48,080
You know, I'm thinking, I'm 
thinking about like kids whose, 

469
00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:51,360
you know, parents rejected them,
right? 

470
00:28:51,430 --> 00:28:53,480
The the kind of the kind of 
thing that just feels like a 

471
00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:57,000
betrayal of the just the, the 
way that things ought to be, 

472
00:28:57,090 --> 00:29:01,260
right? 
And that that sort of person 

473
00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:04,660
where a love of loved one 
rejected them in some like deep 

474
00:29:04,670 --> 00:29:09,140
betrayal or whatever, right? 
Like that is the kind of stuff 

475
00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:14,570
that like you're going to feel 
that regardless of how of how 

476
00:29:14,580 --> 00:29:17,340
concrete your relationship is 
with Christ, you're going to 

477
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:20,450
feel that deeply. 
And some of that kind of stuff 

478
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:23,150
is going to need some extra 
help, right? 

479
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,210
You know, there's like like some
therapy and things like that. 

480
00:29:27,220 --> 00:29:31,090
I just want to name. 
But that is like if if you are 

481
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:34,390
listening to this and you have 
some like just deep seated 

482
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,850
rejection for that's like from 
your childhood or trauma, like 

483
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,000
that's not something we can just
sort of like we can't always 

484
00:29:42,010 --> 00:29:45,340
just strengthen our relationship
with Christ and hope for the 

485
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:46,870
best, right? 
Like there's often some other 

486
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,620
stuff that we gotta unpack there
with with the Lord, right? 

487
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:51,780
And with sometimes a 
professional. 

488
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:55,800
Yeah, just a little pitch. 
Always. 

489
00:29:55,810 --> 00:30:00,020
We should end every podcast with
a pitch to go to therapy. 

490
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:04,190
Yeah. 
I think a really good, helpful 

491
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:09,470
resource in that vein that I've 
found is Peter Scazzero, 

492
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,110
Emotionally healthy 
spirituality. 

493
00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:18,770
And his whole one liner is that 
you cannot be spiritually mature

494
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,050
while remaining emotionally 
immature. 

495
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:25,550
And ultimately, I believe the 
the inverse is also true then, 

496
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,840
and I think you would say it as 
well, that you can't be 

497
00:30:29,130 --> 00:30:33,440
emotionally mature fully without
also being spiritually mature. 

498
00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:35,190
Those things need to progress 
together. 

499
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:40,170
But we've got a lot of people 
who sound spiritually mature, 

500
00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:41,560
but who are emotionally 
immature. 

501
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:48,970
And so it, it's, it's helpful to
start talking in that direction 

502
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:55,110
of, yeah, being OK with, hey, 
you've got some emotional health

503
00:30:55,400 --> 00:31:01,150
things that will accompany your 
spiritual journey and that's 

504
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,890
great. 
So Peter Scazzero stuff I, I 

505
00:31:04,900 --> 00:31:09,380
found really helpful. 
He has a 30 day or 40 might be a

506
00:31:09,390 --> 00:31:15,380
40 day, like daily office. 
Hmm, that's also just really a 

507
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:19,480
good resource. 
And then Henry nowen stuff on 

508
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:29,380
just that, like inner, uh, inner
child, longing to be loved, you 

509
00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:33,630
know, wound and or longing. 
Hmm. 

510
00:31:33,670 --> 00:31:39,780
His, some of his stuff is just 
fantastic for slowing down and 

511
00:31:39,790 --> 00:31:43,530
reading through it in a way that
just like for me anyways, like 

512
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:49,670
it's just spoken to my soul. 
So two, yeah, helpful resources.

513
00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:55,210
So, and the disciples here, you 
know, are I think you could make

514
00:31:55,220 --> 00:31:59,650
a strong case that they were not
exactly emotionally immature or 

515
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,790
even spiritually mature here in 
this moment. 

516
00:32:01,940 --> 00:32:07,970
And and so they respond to this 
rejection in a way that yes, 

517
00:32:07,980 --> 00:32:12,210
calls back to to the prophets 
and there's a large context, but

518
00:32:12,220 --> 00:32:17,050
ultimately it is their response 
to rejection is those other two 

519
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,410
R words, revenge and 
retribution. 

520
00:32:21,010 --> 00:32:24,760
And and so I wanna talk about 
that a little bit and, and our 

521
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:32,550
inclination as a people and even
at times as Christians to 

522
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:39,290
respond in in ways that are are 
deeply on Christ like and 

523
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:43,640
unhelpful. 
And it's, you know, likely not 

524
00:32:43,650 --> 00:32:48,520
going to be us requesting, you 
know, Jesus, if we can call down

525
00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:52,140
fire on on people like that's 
that's typically not going to be

526
00:32:52,150 --> 00:32:54,560
the thing. 
I at least I I hope not, dear 

527
00:32:54,570 --> 00:33:03,370
listener, but I think there are 
times when we do, we do wish ill

528
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:07,880
upon people in in even even in 
our our mind, right? 

529
00:33:09,340 --> 00:33:11,800
So like it might be helpful to 
name. 

530
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,600
Yeah, I, I certainly hope people
aren't like calling down fire 

531
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:18,390
from heaven. 
Yeah. 

532
00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:22,100
You know, I, I think we see like
we see imprecatory Psalms all 

533
00:33:22,110 --> 00:33:27,670
through the book of Psalms. 
I think there's a right place to

534
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,700
wrestle some of that out with 
God in a, in a good, right way. 

535
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,050
So, you know, I think naming 
anger is a good thing. 

536
00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:42,230
The the desire that the 
disciples have is a little 

537
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,560
different. 
It's should we do this? 

538
00:33:44,970 --> 00:33:47,700
Like we got a category for it. 
Like Jesus, is this our time? 

539
00:33:47,710 --> 00:33:50,370
Like can we kill these guys? 
Is this it is really what 

540
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:55,020
they're asking for? 
And so that is different than 

541
00:33:55,270 --> 00:34:01,880
say praying with the language of
the imprecatory Psalms like, 

542
00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:05,580
yeah, would you do this is 
different than saying, hey, 

543
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:08,120
Jesus, can we like, can we call 
down fire from heaven? 

544
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:12,389
And underneath, underneath it, 
with a lot of those Psalms and 

545
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,489
other parts of Scripture, it's 
ultimately a cry for justice to 

546
00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:21,290
be done, right. 
And in this case, like the, the 

547
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:24,650
people just happened to reject 
them this time, right? 

548
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,179
Like, it's not like they, you 
know, I mean, the, the, the, the

549
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:30,610
scripture doesn't say here that 
there was any sort of like 

550
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:34,370
violence toward them or so we 
can't infer that. 

551
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:40,310
But it, it just, it feels, it 
feels like this goes beyond the 

552
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,290
realm of like, just like, hey, 
we want, we want justice. 

553
00:34:43,340 --> 00:34:46,600
It feels like it's like 
disproportionate response. 

554
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:49,290
Does that make sense? 
Yeah, yeah. 

555
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,300
So, OK. 
But let's talk for a minute, 

556
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:53,310
though, about some of the ways 
we do call down fire from 

557
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,750
heaven, because practically 
speaking, I think this can look 

558
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:05,480
very different and maybe not as 
dangerous, but like almost as 

559
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:10,480
dangerous as as the disciples. 
So the the end of the story is 

560
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:12,300
that they don't call fire down 
from heaven. 

561
00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:15,890
That's that's not what happens 
here, but the desire to do it 

562
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,170
is, I think, something that we 
all wrestle with. 

563
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,090
And something that Jesus speaks 
to. 

564
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:23,950
Right. 
And so Jesus rebukes them, right

565
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,490
for this. 
And I think that if we're not 

566
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:31,390
literally calling down fire from
heaven, I think we call down 

567
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,760
fire from heaven online in how 
we post and respond and react. 

568
00:35:37,810 --> 00:35:42,680
Like I think the, the anger with
which I see people posting and 

569
00:35:42,730 --> 00:35:50,150
writing and speaking online is, 
is in line with the disciples, 

570
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,310
like often in line with the how 
the disciples respond. 

571
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:56,310
So I think we can, like, we can 
call down fire online. 

572
00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:59,860
I think we can go scorched earth
on relationships. 

573
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,250
So, you know, you reject me. 
So rather than confronting you 

574
00:36:05,260 --> 00:36:09,070
and discussing it and being 
vulnerable about my hurt, I'm 

575
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,970
just gonna burn this bridge to 
the ground. 

576
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,070
And I think I said like jokingly
on Sunday, it's like the you're 

577
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,190
not going to break up with me. 
Like I'll break up with you 

578
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,170
first. 
You can't fire me. 

579
00:36:20,180 --> 00:36:22,700
I. 
Quit exactly like that. 

580
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:26,600
That gut response is the 
disciples response. 

581
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,260
So I think it's easy to say, 
well, I didn't call down fire 

582
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:32,460
from heaven and I didn't pray 
asking Jesus to murder these 

583
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:34,740
people. 
But did you go and write a 

584
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:39,410
Google review just like 
decimating that company for the 

585
00:36:39,420 --> 00:36:43,400
little thing that they got wrong
on your like Uber Eats order or 

586
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:44,650
something, you know? 
Right. 

587
00:36:44,660 --> 00:36:50,380
Yeah, or, or, or just the the 
vile comments that are left on 

588
00:36:50,390 --> 00:37:00,110
social media and how easily it 
seems like people are willing to

589
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,730
show the worst parts of 
themselves in those comments 

590
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:08,150
because they're hidden, kind of 
like behind this glass wall. 

591
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:13,080
And there are, there are some, 
you know, like say you know, 

592
00:37:13,090 --> 00:37:15,440
something like Facebook where 
you know, generally you're not 

593
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:17,820
anonymous. 
You're it's your name and your, 

594
00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:19,660
you know, profile picture, 
etcetera. 

595
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:23,940
Not all the time, but like in 
that instance, I think people 

596
00:37:23,950 --> 00:37:27,720
are still getting pretty like 
pretty full on these days, it 

597
00:37:27,730 --> 00:37:30,350
feels like. 
But it's, it's even worse where 

598
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,700
there is any degree of 
anonymity. 

599
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:40,550
Yeah, because you, you, you just
the mask, the guard comes off 

600
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:44,210
all of the inner thoughts, which
is I think interesting to kind 

601
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:47,150
of go into a little bit. 
All the inner thoughts end up 

602
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,330
coming out because there you 
don't need to filter because you

603
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:52,060
don't have anyone to be 
accountable to. 

604
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,630
So what are we? 
What are we seeing right now in,

605
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:04,700
you know, 2025 is that people 
are starting to be fired for 

606
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:06,760
what they say online. 
Yeah, right. 

607
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:10,380
And that's a rabbit trail we 
probably don't want to go down, 

608
00:38:10,970 --> 00:38:14,120
like, right or wrong, free 
speech. 

609
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:20,580
Let's not go down that trail. 
But there are starting to be at 

610
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:24,560
least consequences. 
And you can agree with them or 

611
00:38:24,570 --> 00:38:26,400
not genes, like, say, right or 
wrong. 

612
00:38:26,490 --> 00:38:29,340
But we're starting to wrestle 
that out. 

613
00:38:29,350 --> 00:38:31,160
Like, should there be 
consequences to what people 

614
00:38:31,170 --> 00:38:33,790
write online? 
Yeah, like, probably, right. 

615
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,960
Should the group of teenagers 
who bully a kid endlessly until 

616
00:38:38,310 --> 00:38:42,360
they do something about it? 
Should they be held accountable?

617
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:46,260
Like, like there are situations 
where I think we're starting to 

618
00:38:46,270 --> 00:38:49,060
see that happen. 
But I would challenge anybody 

619
00:38:49,070 --> 00:38:53,480
like if you're listening to this
and you have like an anonymous 

620
00:38:53,780 --> 00:38:58,290
account, that's probably like, 
that's the same spirit here as 

621
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:01,240
as the disciples. 
And even if not, if you're just 

622
00:39:01,250 --> 00:39:05,010
like brazen with it and you're 
like, I don't care if people see

623
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:08,310
that it's connected to me. 
Like I wish that people thought 

624
00:39:08,420 --> 00:39:12,290
for a few seconds longer before 
reacting online. 

625
00:39:13,180 --> 00:39:17,250
So I think we do that. 
We do, we do it in real world. 

626
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,920
I'm giving like air quotes here 
like as well like face to face 

627
00:39:19,930 --> 00:39:27,370
relationships where we do react 
and torch long standing 

628
00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:28,960
relationships because we're 
hurt. 

629
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:33,770
I think at the end of the day, 
um, what's there's like that 

630
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:36,830
cliche line? 
Hurt people or hurting people 

631
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:43,020
hurt people, Yeah. 
And rejection is a legitimate 

632
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:48,000
hurt, Yeah. 
So when you are hurt, what are 

633
00:39:48,010 --> 00:39:52,740
you prone to do? 
And I think those that's at the 

634
00:39:52,750 --> 00:39:55,720
end of the day, that's the 
question that I need to wrestle 

635
00:39:55,730 --> 00:40:00,880
with. 
Like when I'm hurt, what is my 

636
00:40:00,990 --> 00:40:05,720
initial gut like punch back kind
of response? 

637
00:40:05,770 --> 00:40:07,580
Because that's going to be 
different for everybody. 

638
00:40:07,710 --> 00:40:12,210
I don't blow up on like Twitter 
and go like scorched earth 

639
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:14,720
online. 
Like that's just not what I'm 

640
00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:18,780
inclined to do. 
But what is the thing that I'm 

641
00:40:18,830 --> 00:40:21,380
inclined to do? 
Because for some it is like to 

642
00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:25,460
vent and to rant or to post or 
whatever. 

643
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:29,160
'S been there. 
For others, it's in person. 

644
00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:32,660
Yeah, right. 
So we just go like, push away. 

645
00:40:32,950 --> 00:40:40,580
I think, oh, when I look at the 
course of my life, that would be

646
00:40:40,590 --> 00:40:47,580
like when I'm rejected, I go to 
that place of OK, fine, I just 

647
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:51,860
don't care. 
I'm gonna cut this off, right? 

648
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:58,100
And whether that's like a 
confrontation or just like a I'm

649
00:40:58,110 --> 00:41:00,500
going to leave. 
Like that's kind of that would 

650
00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:04,260
be where my heart goes when I'm 
like when I feel rejected, when 

651
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:07,580
I feel hurt, it's toward that. 
OK, whatever. 

652
00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:10,180
This doesn't like I'm going to 
pretend that this doesn't matter

653
00:41:10,220 --> 00:41:12,860
and I'm going to cut and turn 
right. 

654
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:17,450
So that's something that like 
when I'm at my worst, I wanna 

655
00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:21,970
just right, avoid or ignore, 
walk away or cut off and justice

656
00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:23,380
be done. 
Like, and that's it. 

657
00:41:23,390 --> 00:41:27,120
Like I'm just, I'm done at my 
best. 

658
00:41:27,170 --> 00:41:29,810
It's OK, I know that. 
That's my inclination. 

659
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:37,080
How do I lean in and actually 
learn to say I'm hurt? 

660
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:42,790
Yeah, that's the difference 
between, you know, there's the 

661
00:41:43,700 --> 00:41:47,590
there's this kind of common 
theme over the course of 

662
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,050
Scripture that starts all the 
way back in like Genesis 4 when,

663
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:53,930
when Cain kills Abel, where, 
where it's like the beast is 

664
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:56,830
crouching at the door. 
You know, this imagery of like 

665
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,170
our, our worst desires and 
tendencies that come most 

666
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:08,050
naturally US are, are always 
there ready to go. 

667
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:14,190
And, and the, the art of 
becoming like Jesus is that we 

668
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,080
work to overcome by, by the help
of the spirit in us, right. 

669
00:42:18,090 --> 00:42:23,790
We, we work to overcome the 
worst inclinations that we have.

670
00:42:23,860 --> 00:42:26,470
And, and that's what you're 
describing there is like, Hey, 

671
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,610
this is at my worst. 
This is what I want to do when I

672
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:33,210
when I am more centred in who I 
am in Christ and who I am. 

673
00:42:33,410 --> 00:42:36,920
I, I can, I can work at it from 
a different angle. 

674
00:42:37,010 --> 00:42:39,520
You know, and I was just 
reminded of, you know, when 

675
00:42:39,530 --> 00:42:43,700
we're talking about this and, 
and Jesus words in Matthew 5 

676
00:42:43,710 --> 00:42:47,620
about about violence. 
He says, you've heard it said to

677
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:50,600
people long ago, you shall not 
murder and anyone who murders 

678
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:53,200
will be subject to judgment. 
But I tell you that anyone who 

679
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:57,440
is angry with a brother or 
sister will be subject to 

680
00:42:57,450 --> 00:43:00,060
judgment. 
Again, anyone who says to a 

681
00:43:00,070 --> 00:43:05,030
brother or sister raca is 
answerable into the courts, and 

682
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,210
anyone who says you fool will be
in danger of the fire of hell. 

683
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,710
Like Jesus has very strong words
for not just the outward action 

684
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,230
of violence, but the inward 
posture that we carry toward 

685
00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,070
people. 
And you're like, you got to deal

686
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,650
with that. 
Otherwise, it's going to make 

687
00:43:22,660 --> 00:43:26,670
its way out in some way, whether
it's on a keyboard or in person.

688
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:29,250
No, absolutely. 
Which so often. 

689
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:31,450
I love those teachings where 
Jesus begins like you've heard 

690
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:33,360
it said. 
But I say to you and I go, OK, 

691
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:34,530
I'm listening. 
Yeah. 

692
00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:35,920
Like, let me have it. 
Yeah. 

693
00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:38,070
What am I prone to do? 
Yeah, what do I need to do? 

694
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,910
Like I'm in. 
But I think all of Jesus's 

695
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,970
teachings is much more like, 
it's not about behavior 

696
00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:48,480
modification. 
Like we're not talking. 

697
00:43:48,490 --> 00:43:51,450
It's not just, you know, do the 
right thing. 

698
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,030
Yeah. 
So you can become a good person.

699
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,670
Like this actually wants to 
transform your heart. 

700
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,890
So you start to actually feel 
the thing that you wrestle with 

701
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,490
diminish, right? 
It's it's not just that. 

702
00:44:02,500 --> 00:44:05,950
So so it is I agree with you, 
like you, you become able to 

703
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:08,870
face the worst parts of yourself
and say, I'm not going to do 

704
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,570
that. 
We actually believe happens, 

705
00:44:10,580 --> 00:44:13,860
though, is that those pieces 
begin themselves to diminish 

706
00:44:13,870 --> 00:44:19,050
like those voice and that mean 
literal voices, but those voices

707
00:44:19,060 --> 00:44:24,530
or inclinations lose their power
over you. 

708
00:44:24,580 --> 00:44:28,350
So, you know, you just, you 
start to you, what you are 

709
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,860
inclined toward is, is toward 
the good. 

710
00:44:31,870 --> 00:44:35,750
And that's when you know, like, 
OK, like Jesus is actually like 

711
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:41,280
working on my heart and my 
posture toward God, toward 

712
00:44:41,290 --> 00:44:45,360
myself and toward others as 
opposed to all right, like, and 

713
00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:48,940
it needs to start. 
You just need to start by like 

714
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:52,020
arresting the thing. 
Like I'm just going to not do 

715
00:44:52,030 --> 00:44:53,760
the thing. 
I'm going to choose to do it. 

716
00:44:53,810 --> 00:44:55,200
Like I'm going to choose to name
it. 

717
00:44:55,210 --> 00:44:59,740
I'm going to choose to lean in. 
And that's a hard like 

718
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:03,750
screeching fault sometimes. 
And then slowly what God does is

719
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,660
he like he changes your heart 
and what you are inclined 

720
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:11,350
toward. 
And not into perfection, but I 

721
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,800
think that you start to see the 
fruit of the positive things, 

722
00:45:17,530 --> 00:45:26,930
reactions, ways of being, etc. 
It's like I think, I think of, I

723
00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:32,420
think it's Paul and I'm, I would
need to go look, but he's 

724
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:35,480
talking about right, like 
orderly communion and orderly 

725
00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:37,660
worship. 
And he's like if, if you know, 

726
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:40,780
if you come to the table and 
there remember that your brother

727
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:45,690
has something against you, stop.
First Corinthians Yeah 11 and. 

728
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:49,830
Go and be reconciled and then 
return and take communion. 

729
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:57,080
And it was a long time time ago.
I remember the first time that I

730
00:45:57,090 --> 00:46:01,490
sat and wondered, should I take 
communion? 

731
00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:05,340
Should I be like because I think
the the the behavior 

732
00:46:05,350 --> 00:46:09,720
modification thing is, I'm gonna
take it and this will help me 

733
00:46:09,850 --> 00:46:12,720
the next time around. 
Just be a better person. 

734
00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:21,090
The heart posture change is no, 
I'm going to not take this. 

735
00:46:21,450 --> 00:46:26,030
I'm going to 1st go, I'm going 
to be reconciled and then I will

736
00:46:26,380 --> 00:46:29,750
come into communion. 
I can picture exactly where I 

737
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,910
was sitting when I wrestled that
out for the first time in my 

738
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,840
life and went I don't know that 
I can like I need to stop. 

739
00:46:39,150 --> 00:46:44,690
So, um, you know, I like that, 
that I think that's ultimately 

740
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:51,510
my hope for myself and, and for 
others is that level of not 

741
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:54,430
behavior modification, but heart
transformation. 

742
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,270
I think I've seen that play out 
in my life, like I've often 

743
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:03,530
talked about my, you know, like 
my feisty on online Ness on 

744
00:47:03,820 --> 00:47:07,750
Twitter X. 
It will always be Twitter. 

745
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,090
It'll always be Twitter, but you
just, you know, I, I don't wanna

746
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:14,050
anger some people, so I'll give 
it both names. 

747
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:19,190
But like, and I, I think there 
was a season where I felt I had 

748
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,000
to have a reaction to 
everything. 

749
00:47:22,620 --> 00:47:24,770
And eventually it just became 
exhausting. 

750
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,530
And like, I was constantly 
anxious and constantly on edge 

751
00:47:28,620 --> 00:47:32,140
and just realizing this is 
really bad for my mental, 

752
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:37,780
emotional, spiritual health. 
And over time now a part of this

753
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:42,240
has been like me almost, almost 
totally withdrawing from social 

754
00:47:42,250 --> 00:47:44,620
media, except when absolutely 
necessary. 

755
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:47,320
Yep. 
Because I'm like, you know, my, 

756
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:52,220
my like temptation and just 
like, like propensity to want to

757
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,270
respond. 
And, and, and so we used to be 

758
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,130
that like I would have half 
written responses and they were,

759
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,550
they were probably more 
antagonistic than they needed to

760
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,480
be. 
And then I would erase them and,

761
00:48:03,490 --> 00:48:05,140
and just be like, I'm not going 
to do this. 

762
00:48:05,230 --> 00:48:08,200
And then, and then eventually 
it's like, now it's going to 

763
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:10,300
turn. 
Like, I actually just don't even

764
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:14,130
need to give that any further 
headspace, you know? 

765
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:17,910
And, and like the world is not 
going to end by me not 

766
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:22,990
responding to that, you know? 
And, and the Lord has worked on 

767
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,210
me and I've been very slow to 
learn, but yeah. 

768
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,340
I think that's the benefit of a 
discipline though too in your 

769
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:35,300
life. 
Like just to name that piece and

770
00:48:35,310 --> 00:48:38,700
and call it a discipline, call 
it a habit, call it a rule. 

771
00:48:40,030 --> 00:48:45,450
Like I, I do think that there's 
a reason why, man, again, I 

772
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:48,260
remember, I have these like 
glimpses of memories from this 

773
00:48:48,270 --> 00:48:51,060
one from my childhood, but I 
remember when we drove out West 

774
00:48:51,070 --> 00:48:54,860
for the first time. 
And if you've ever driven the 

775
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:58,700
Rocky Mountains across Canada, 
like so Cascades Rock, I 

776
00:48:59,090 --> 00:49:05,160
couldn't tell you exactly which 
of those two passes it is, but 

777
00:49:05,170 --> 00:49:07,030
there's like a good stretch 
where you're driving through the

778
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,710
mountains and there are no 
guardrails. 

779
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,050
And I'm like, this is what is 
happening. 

780
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:16,030
I just can't handle. 
It's terrifying, yeah. 

781
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,080
And then I remember the first 
time I did it driving like as 

782
00:49:19,090 --> 00:49:21,490
the driver with my kid in the 
back. 

783
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:27,510
And I'm like, I like, what is 
like, why are we like this now? 

784
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,230
We're, we're like, you know, 30 
years later, we're still like, 

785
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:33,230
we're still doing the no 
guardrail thing here. 

786
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:37,310
Yeah, and then I think 
mountainous Peru on mud, on like

787
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:38,600
mud roads. 
Right. 

788
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,810
And like there is a place for 
guardrails. 

789
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,170
I remember the first time I went
snowboarding in the United 

790
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:48,270
States on the West Coast where 
they don't have like, have you 

791
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,450
ever been skiing or 
snowboarding? 

792
00:49:50,460 --> 00:49:55,050
Our chair lifts, all of them in 
Ontario have those look like 

793
00:49:56,050 --> 00:49:59,220
buckle things that collapse over
your waist. 

794
00:49:59,450 --> 00:50:01,460
So we have like baby mountains 
here. 

795
00:50:01,500 --> 00:50:04,220
They're like little bumps and 
big mountains. 

796
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:07,320
Then they don't have them. 
So again, I'm like, I'm doing, I

797
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:09,060
remember the first time I'm 
doing this, I'm like, this is 

798
00:50:09,070 --> 00:50:10,880
horrible. 
I'm never gonna like, there's no

799
00:50:10,890 --> 00:50:13,920
joy in it. 
I don't like, I'm not having 

800
00:50:13,930 --> 00:50:16,560
fun. 
My anxiety is through the roof. 

801
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:19,220
I'm shaking like crazy. 
Now I gotta snowboard down this 

802
00:50:19,230 --> 00:50:21,300
mountain and do it all over 
again because we're on the 

803
00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:23,640
opposite side. 
Like, I just think there's a 

804
00:50:23,650 --> 00:50:27,560
goodness to these rules of life 
or these habits, these 

805
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:34,300
disciplines that for each of us,
we know are just gonna put us in

806
00:50:34,310 --> 00:50:36,770
better positions to succeed with
certain things. 

807
00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:42,370
So like online engagement on 
social media, probably one of 

808
00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:46,040
those arenas, right, where it's 
in the long run healthy. 

809
00:50:46,110 --> 00:50:50,240
Yeah. 
So it's what I think what we're 

810
00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:52,070
doing. 
Like what disciplines, What 

811
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,950
habits, Spiritual disciplines, I
should say, spiritual 

812
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:01,570
disciplines and habits cultivate
are that ease toward what is 

813
00:51:01,580 --> 00:51:05,030
right and good. 
Yeah, instead of making it easy 

814
00:51:05,100 --> 00:51:10,410
toward what we know is reactive 
and drives us insane toward 

815
00:51:10,420 --> 00:51:15,450
anger and just frustration with 
ourselves and with others. 

816
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:22,300
It, it's only just going to 
damage our relationships with, 

817
00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:26,600
with people that we love and 
people that we are called to 

818
00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:30,440
love, even if they are not are, 
you know, friends, right? 

819
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:32,860
And that, that, that's the, 
that's the, the, the hard thing 

820
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:37,640
for me is like, not only does 
some of this division interrupt 

821
00:51:37,790 --> 00:51:40,440
our, our, you know, the 
connection with our family and 

822
00:51:40,450 --> 00:51:46,280
closest friends, but people that
Jesus calls us to love, right? 

823
00:51:46,330 --> 00:51:50,110
That Jesus calls us to love, 
neighbor, enemy alike. 

824
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:54,830
Hmm. 
And so if if what we are doing 

825
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:58,900
and the way it's whatever's 
happening in our heart is 

826
00:51:58,910 --> 00:52:03,580
impeding on that we got, we got 
to look inside and say what's 

827
00:52:03,590 --> 00:52:06,000
what's going on here? 
Lord, Yeah. 

828
00:52:06,610 --> 00:52:09,320
Yeah, I think one of the last 
things that I see in this 

829
00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:14,090
passage, which, yeah, we didn't 
spend a lot of time on on 

830
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:22,230
Sunday, is the idea of, um, 
being comfortable in the rebuke,

831
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,180
right? 
So like, like the disciples are,

832
00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:31,090
Jesus rebukes the disciples, 
which is something that we've 

833
00:52:31,140 --> 00:52:38,110
typically seen Jesus do toward 
demons and evil spirits, right? 

834
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,710
So he rebukes the Spirit, he 
rebukes the demon, he rebukes 

835
00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:49,780
what is evil. 
And like, I think many of us, 

836
00:52:49,860 --> 00:52:53,320
and I say maybe most of us like 
we wanted Jesus, who's like, I'm

837
00:52:53,330 --> 00:52:58,770
gonna reassure you and comfort 
you and make you feel great 

838
00:52:58,780 --> 00:53:01,970
about yourself. 
And yeah, like in many 

839
00:53:01,980 --> 00:53:07,230
instances, Jesus leads us away 
from shame and toward learning 

840
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:13,410
to embrace who we are, toward 
life, toward peace. 

841
00:53:13,420 --> 00:53:16,290
Like those are gifts that that 
God gives. 

842
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:22,330
But I, I think we need to learn.
I need to learn to be 

843
00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:25,150
comfortable in the rebuke. 
Yeah. 

844
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,720
And in learning that. 
No, there are, there are, there 

845
00:53:27,730 --> 00:53:33,540
are times when that's the level 
of language that Jesus would use

846
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:37,750
toward me for my actions and 
thoughts. 

847
00:53:38,350 --> 00:53:41,630
And what I know and what I 
believe to be true about Jesus 

848
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,230
is that the rebuke is toward 
life. 

849
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:49,850
So when Jesus rebukes an evil 
spirit, it's to lead a person in

850
00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:55,130
a community toward life, right? 
When he rebukes an illness, it's

851
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,660
toward health and healing and 
wholeness and restoration. 

852
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:01,570
There's another R right there. 
And so here he rebukes the 

853
00:54:01,580 --> 00:54:05,370
disciples. 
Yeah, like, which is an 

854
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:09,630
uncomfortable thing, but what 
he's doing is he's confronting 

855
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,020
their sin. 
He's speaking against it. 

856
00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:17,380
It's a word of judgment. 
It's a word that I think at the 

857
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:20,320
end of the day, really, 
ultimately only Jesus can speak 

858
00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:22,280
in its fullness, in its 
entirety. 

859
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:26,910
It puts it in its place so that 
the disciples what, so that they

860
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,670
can move on, so that they they 
went on to another. 

861
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,450
Village is disciples went to 
another village. 

862
00:54:31,460 --> 00:54:35,050
Yeah, they and and it it it it 
freed them it freed them to to 

863
00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:38,230
be able to to leave that 
situation. 

864
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,550
And and I think it it obviously 
because they didn't call fire 

865
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,090
down on these people. 
It freed up the, the Samaritan 

866
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:53,350
people to be, to be able to 
experience the gospel as, as you

867
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,250
kind of alluded to in the 
sermon, that when you go into 

868
00:54:55,260 --> 00:54:58,490
Acts, you see, you know, Jesus 
saying, you know, this message 

869
00:54:58,500 --> 00:55:02,620
will go out to Jerusalem, 
Samaria, Judea, the ends of the 

870
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:05,120
world, right? 
And, and, and so like, there's 

871
00:55:05,130 --> 00:55:12,240
something incredible about Jesus
not only wanting to better his 

872
00:55:12,250 --> 00:55:14,600
disciples and say, like, Hey, 
guys, this, this ain't the 

873
00:55:14,610 --> 00:55:15,500
thing. 
Like you. 

874
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:18,520
We like, let's, let's move on 
from here. 

875
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:23,510
And, and I'm going to teach you 
a better way, but also the, the,

876
00:55:23,550 --> 00:55:28,830
the freedom that it, it causes 
for the people in that village 

877
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:34,000
that they're, you know, not 
destroyed and one day can again 

878
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:36,900
receive the message of Jesus. 
Yeah. 

879
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:39,700
Yeah, so like, I think it's 
beautiful that they just, they, 

880
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:43,090
they went to another village 
like Jesus demonstrating exactly

881
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,490
how he wants them to be. 
As he said at the beginning of 

882
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:48,440
Luke 9. 
But he frees them up to do it 

883
00:55:48,570 --> 00:55:50,940
and then leads them in that 
direction. 

884
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:54,620
And that direction for them 
leads toward life like it still 

885
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:57,960
takes Jesus toward Jerusalem and
the cross and his death and 

886
00:55:57,970 --> 00:56:01,800
resurrection like it it. 
His direction for them is one 

887
00:56:01,810 --> 00:56:05,290
that leads to their own life and
to their own redemption and 

888
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:10,150
restoration, as well As for this
Samaritan village. 

889
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,900
So I think learning, learning 
that piece is difficult, but 

890
00:56:15,950 --> 00:56:21,570
being comfortable with the way 
Jesus would rebuke me and then 

891
00:56:21,620 --> 00:56:24,330
choosing to trust that it's 
going to lead toward life. 

892
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,200
I think the other thing that I 
see here is that like the 

893
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:29,080
disciples, and again, like it's 
not here, but it's also not 

894
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:31,490
here. 
The disciples, there's no shame 

895
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:35,190
and guilt. 
There's no, how could you be so 

896
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,890
stupid to think that you could 
call down fire from heaven? 

897
00:56:38,900 --> 00:56:45,290
Like he, he speaks very swiftly 
against that thought and that 

898
00:56:45,340 --> 00:56:50,370
question and that act and action
in them and then moves on, 

899
00:56:51,060 --> 00:56:52,430
right? 
There's not this lingering. 

900
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,870
I'm gonna make you feel the 
weight of your shame and guilt. 

901
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,270
And let's just soak here for a 
minute and like, you know, feel 

902
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,260
horrible about ourselves and 
like again. 

903
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:08,520
But I think that's the human 
inclination is we want, you 

904
00:57:08,530 --> 00:57:11,770
know, we want someone else to 
feel as bad as they made us. 

905
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,940
That's what revenge, 
retribution, like that's what 

906
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:17,050
we're trying to accomplish. 
But then we turn around and we 

907
00:57:17,060 --> 00:57:20,930
feel horrible about who we are 
in those moments and wrestle it 

908
00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:24,380
out. 
What is ironic in a beautiful 

909
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:30,250
way, is that Jesus's rebuke 
leads to life. 

910
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:35,420
It doesn't lead to shame and 
guilt and soaking in the like 

911
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:39,100
pool of horrible, like self 
loathing. 

912
00:57:39,150 --> 00:57:44,540
Yeah, it allows them to be freed
to move on and to keep moving in

913
00:57:44,550 --> 00:57:46,800
the direction that Jesus is 
leading them. 

914
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:50,440
And that's what I need to learn 
to trust for my own life. 

915
00:57:50,450 --> 00:57:56,310
And it's what we, you listeners,
I think each of us needs to to 

916
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,330
learn and figure out and wrestle
out is yeah, choosing to trust 

917
00:58:00,340 --> 00:58:04,280
that even in especially in those
moments of rebuke, like that's 

918
00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:07,430
where you can also experience 
the greatest life on the other 

919
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,300
side of it. 
Absolutely. 

920
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:14,830
So we do hope that this is 
helpful for you, as I Grant said

921
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,120
at the beginning, to have 
conversations with friends, 

922
00:58:19,170 --> 00:58:25,980
family, and we hope that this is
just helping us to all work on 

923
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:30,540
some of these inner pieces of 
our life that shape who we are 

924
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:35,520
and how we, how we live out as 
followers of Jesus and as we 

925
00:58:35,530 --> 00:58:40,660
seek to enact the Kingdom in in 
our city, in our world. 

926
00:58:40,890 --> 00:58:44,040
And so we do have questions. 
You can send the questions into 

927
00:58:44,110 --> 00:58:49,580
questions@courtrightchurch.org. 
And we usually, you know, record

928
00:58:49,790 --> 00:58:52,500
some points often on Monday, not
always. 

929
00:58:52,510 --> 00:58:54,880
And so if you get those 
questions in on the Sunday 

930
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:57,860
afternoon or Monday morning, 
we're likely to, to see that. 

931
00:58:58,210 --> 00:59:01,840
And so we do hope you have a 
great week and we'll see you 

932
00:59:01,850 --> 00:59:02,130
next time.