1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,530 Hey friends, welcome to another episode of the KPC Podcast, and 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,850 we're happy to have you along for the ride. 3 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:11,910 We spent some time this last week leading up to Sunday in 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:19,510 Luke 6 and specifically versus 37 to it was like 42, I believe. 5 00:00:19,620 --> 00:00:25,330 So not a ton of text, but still a lot like a lot going on. 6 00:00:25,340 --> 00:00:32,740 This is Jesus teaching on, on not judging, not condemning, on 7 00:00:32,750 --> 00:00:37,820 learning to be generous, on following the right teacher, on 8 00:00:39,250 --> 00:00:45,260 loyalty, I think as we put it on Sunday, but who we follow and 9 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:48,580 who we learn from and who we apprentice ourselves to 10 00:00:48,590 --> 00:00:53,420 mattering and mattering significantly and then 11 00:00:53,430 --> 00:00:57,260 ultimately landing on what was the third one. 12 00:00:57,270 --> 00:00:58,480 I can't. It was loyal. 13 00:00:58,490 --> 00:01:02,180 General log in the. Generosity, loyalty and 14 00:01:02,190 --> 00:01:07,710 integrity was the third one. So good Kingdom principles to 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,170 live by. And so we're gonna jump into 16 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:14,290 some questions conversation to wrap up that discussion. 17 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,830 And we're finishing off Luke 6 this week. 18 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,280 Yeah, yeah, which will be great. So yeah, we hope it encourages 19 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:25,470 you to have good, meaningful conversation. 20 00:01:25,540 --> 00:01:30,100 And as always, we would love to hear some of your questions and 21 00:01:30,110 --> 00:01:33,830 the feedback that you have. You can reach us on e-mail is 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,440 the best way to send your questions to to us. 23 00:01:36,690 --> 00:01:41,070 We always check the e-mail before recording. 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,530 Yeah, always, always. And it's, it's a lot of fun when 25 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,110 we get one like, you know, it'll, it'll be, we'll get in 26 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:51,960 like I would get in usually just before 9:00 AM on Monday morning 27 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:53,470 and, and be like, OK, let's see what we got. 28 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,150 And, and sometimes they'll be one that came in like at, you 29 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,110 know, 830 like this is great. Yeah. 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,750 Perfect. It's been like a lot of great 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,990 discussion, you know, between the community Bible study and 32 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,170 then the sermon and then the podcast. 33 00:02:07,180 --> 00:02:10,020 As we've been saying, it's been a great little trifecta. 34 00:02:10,820 --> 00:02:15,090 But this past week in particular, a lot of a lot of 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,370 not heated, but like a lot of like there's an intensity to 36 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:22,190 discussion of of this passage, I feel like. 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Yep, and I'll just I'll hop in there while you choke on coffee. 38 00:02:29,010 --> 00:02:31,970 What what I I think too like week 3, right? 39 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:34,990 Week 3 of the. Getting more comfortable. 40 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,250 Exactly. Yeah, which is really fun to 41 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:38,850 see. So like I would put a little 42 00:02:38,860 --> 00:02:42,880 plug in there for small groups because I do just wanna say like 43 00:02:42,890 --> 00:02:45,480 shout out to the people who jumped into community Bible 44 00:02:45,490 --> 00:02:46,790 study. And we know that many of you 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,350 wanted to but weren't able to. And some of you were trying to 46 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,650 for the first time and didn't know what you were in for. 47 00:02:53,020 --> 00:02:56,130 But like you don't sign up for a group. 48 00:02:56,140 --> 00:02:58,990 So you sign up, there's a hundred and change people. 49 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:05,080 Like there's four or five people coming out and we put you in 50 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:07,060 groups. So you show up. 51 00:03:07,130 --> 00:03:10,620 You maybe know people at your table, maybe you don't. 52 00:03:10,740 --> 00:03:11,640 But. That's kind of the point. 53 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:15,250 But that's exactly the point is, yeah, you get to have 54 00:03:15,260 --> 00:03:18,790 conversation with people and interact with folks who maybe 55 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,170 you don't usually on a Sunday or throughout the week. 56 00:03:22,290 --> 00:03:27,000 And it just contributes to the breadth of experience. 57 00:03:27,050 --> 00:03:34,110 And like I, I find this beautiful, encouraging moment to 58 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,900 look out over all the groups and see the the breadth of life 59 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:43,150 experience and age, the intergenerational piece to 60 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,410 conversation. As always, I think really 61 00:03:45,420 --> 00:03:48,890 encouraging and one of the pieces of feedback I've gotten 62 00:03:48,900 --> 00:03:51,870 throughout this study of what people appreciate. 63 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,870 I think some of the younger, not maybe younger Christians in 64 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,350 terms of new to faith, but younger in age getting to have 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,030 conversations with folks have been around for 60 years in the 66 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,810 church, 70 years in the church and and that's really beautiful. 67 00:04:08,820 --> 00:04:12,290 So the small group piece, the small group plug is that's 68 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:15,830 actually what we want for all of our community life to begin to 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,930 look like is not just during community Bible study, but 70 00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:23,210 throughout the entirety of the year for you to find yourself in 71 00:04:23,220 --> 00:04:26,050 a small group. And maybe that's a small group 72 00:04:26,060 --> 00:04:29,460 of friends, but probably more likely it's a small group of 73 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,330 people who are also looking for meaningful conversation. 74 00:04:33,340 --> 00:04:40,320 And there's a a beauty in just trying to get into that level of 75 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:41,720 discussion. So that's what I would, I think 76 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:44,450 that's what we would love to see is for this to continue on 77 00:04:44,460 --> 00:04:48,280 through all of life. Yeah, we, we last year when we 78 00:04:48,290 --> 00:04:52,040 did the community Bible study, we had a, an offshoot group 79 00:04:52,190 --> 00:04:56,180 after that that, that my wife and I hosted at our place for 80 00:04:56,250 --> 00:04:59,920 kind of between I guess it was mid-May through to the end of 81 00:04:59,970 --> 00:05:02,940 end of June kind of thing, just for like a month and a half. 82 00:05:03,030 --> 00:05:06,020 And it was very similar, very like, you know, everyone from, 83 00:05:06,090 --> 00:05:09,580 you know, us in our late 30s views and people in 20s and 84 00:05:09,590 --> 00:05:13,370 people in their 50s, sixties. It was, it was a blast. 85 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,110 Like it was, it was a lot of fun and so highly recommended. 86 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,160 There are not many contexts in our world. 87 00:05:19,170 --> 00:05:21,430 We talked about this before. There are not many contexts in 88 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,330 our world where you get the chance to interact with, with 89 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:30,030 such a diversity of, of age, where it's that level of 90 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,390 mutuality and learning from one another. 91 00:05:33,430 --> 00:05:36,280 Like when you go to school, you are in your age category and 92 00:05:36,290 --> 00:05:38,130 you're learning from someone who's older than you. 93 00:05:38,370 --> 00:05:41,220 There's not usually a lot of reciprocal learning, right? 94 00:05:41,290 --> 00:05:44,430 Whereas this is, you know, there is a way to learn from one 95 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,480 another and honor one another. And it's it's a beautiful 96 00:05:47,490 --> 00:05:53,910 picture of the Kingdom of God. Yeah, yeah, So yeah, judging 97 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,630 others this a lot of meat in this passage, a lot of things 98 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,770 for consideration, potentially some confusing things. 99 00:06:01,860 --> 00:06:07,050 And so the first, the first question I want to jump into is 100 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:12,940 when, when we look at Jesus call to to not judge, you know, do 101 00:06:12,950 --> 00:06:14,870 not judge, you will not be judged. 102 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,710 Do not condemn and you will not be condemned at the very end. 103 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,600 And, and this is where I admit I, I've gotten this passage 104 00:06:21,610 --> 00:06:23,790 wrong. I have literally preached on 105 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,460 this passage early on. I remember it, it was one of my, 106 00:06:26,500 --> 00:06:29,280 maybe even one of my first like public sermons. 107 00:06:29,510 --> 00:06:33,130 I, I'm, I'm, I pray it's gone off the, the Internet. 108 00:06:33,530 --> 00:06:37,560 But, but maybe, maybe it is somewhere, I don't know, but 109 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:41,950 where I took the last section. So he ends. 110 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,240 Then he says, first take the plank out of your own eye. 111 00:06:45,250 --> 00:06:47,640 After that, all these analogies about planks and specs. 112 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:49,650 First take the plank out of your own eye. 113 00:06:49,660 --> 00:06:52,620 Then you will see clearly to remove the spec from your 114 00:06:52,630 --> 00:06:56,560 brother's eye. And what I inferred from that, 115 00:06:56,570 --> 00:07:02,220 and I think incorrectly now, is that means once I have got taken 116 00:07:02,230 --> 00:07:05,940 care of my stuff, once I've dealt with my stuff, judge away 117 00:07:06,110 --> 00:07:07,940 that was. I can take care of your stuff. 118 00:07:07,950 --> 00:07:12,760 Too, That was my take away. That was and, and, and man, that 119 00:07:12,770 --> 00:07:15,040 is not what Jesus is saying here. 120 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:21,640 But what I think it what I think it sparks for me is a question 121 00:07:21,650 --> 00:07:26,400 about judgment versus discernment. 122 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:33,900 We are called to be discerning. In fact, I think like it's, it's 123 00:07:33,910 --> 00:07:37,440 considered a spiritual gift of sorts to have a, a discerning 124 00:07:37,450 --> 00:07:41,320 mind, that there are people that are, are better at discerning 125 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:45,210 than others. And in our English language, we 126 00:07:45,220 --> 00:07:47,740 would actually sometimes exchange those words like that 127 00:07:47,750 --> 00:07:52,120 that person can judge rightly. They can look at a person, a 128 00:07:52,130 --> 00:07:55,580 situation and discern or judge, right. 129 00:07:55,630 --> 00:08:00,170 So that's maybe where it gets a little confusing is judging and 130 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:04,710 discernment can have some overlap, but not always. 131 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:07,870 Where would we draw the line there? 132 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:12,610 And and where would we see us living out our call to be a wise 133 00:08:12,620 --> 00:08:18,470 and discerning people versus a judging or maybe the most 134 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,130 negative iteration of that word to judgmental? 135 00:08:21,500 --> 00:08:24,520 Yeah, this is a great question. I love it. 136 00:08:24,530 --> 00:08:28,000 We're jumping in. I wanna answer it two ways. 137 00:08:28,010 --> 00:08:32,270 I think there's a quick, a quick answer that I want people to 138 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:38,360 remember and that is, uh, I think when we've, we've felt on 139 00:08:38,370 --> 00:08:45,890 the receiving end of these, uh, judgment is away from life. 140 00:08:45,940 --> 00:08:49,130 I think that the judgment, the judgment that Jesus is talking 141 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:56,100 about here when he says stop judging is a judgment that yeah, 142 00:08:56,110 --> 00:09:00,460 that that leads away from life and away from flourishing and 143 00:09:00,470 --> 00:09:04,300 toward exile and isolation and loneliness. 144 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:07,980 And I'll get into why in a minute. 145 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:12,040 But the so judging leads away from life, discerning I would 146 00:09:12,050 --> 00:09:17,540 say leads toward life. And that's a good, I think 147 00:09:17,550 --> 00:09:22,190 that's a good principle, just to sit with and think in my own 148 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:27,770 life as I go, am I helping people? 149 00:09:27,940 --> 00:09:31,950 Am I, am I myself learning to see clearly in a way that leads 150 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:35,050 toward life for myself and for others? 151 00:09:35,540 --> 00:09:39,490 Or am I living in a way that leads away from life and toward 152 00:09:39,500 --> 00:09:42,970 exile and loneliness and isolation? 153 00:09:43,030 --> 00:09:49,120 So I think that's a helpful starting question because it it 154 00:09:49,790 --> 00:09:55,640 again, just a quick on the way rule for the road kind of 155 00:09:56,990 --> 00:10:00,970 mindset to have is, is my action leading toward life. 156 00:10:00,980 --> 00:10:04,520 And if you have to justify or rationalize it, well be like, 157 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:09,200 well, they're sinful. So it's gonna hurt now, but it's 158 00:10:09,210 --> 00:10:13,720 going to lead them toward like. It's kind of like, you know, my 159 00:10:13,730 --> 00:10:18,610 loving you looks like actually I'm going to, you know, I'm 160 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:20,120 going to make you feel like garbage. 161 00:10:20,170 --> 00:10:22,930 Right, right. But it's didn't love. 162 00:10:22,940 --> 00:10:24,730 So truth and love. You know, if you have to 163 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:28,590 rationalize it or like justify it in your own mind, Probably 164 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,110 not. I think those in my life who I 165 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:40,480 would call the most discerning usually speak up the last and 166 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:47,110 least like they're ones who are slow to speak and who speaks 167 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,560 slowly. So I think we rush to judgment, 168 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,540 and I think we slow down toward discernment. 169 00:10:57,670 --> 00:11:01,360 So is it leading toward life? Is it slowed down? 170 00:11:02,050 --> 00:11:05,080 Is it leading away from life, toward isolation? 171 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:06,920 Is it rash? Quick. 172 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:15,200 Easily just done, yeah. So I think those are helpful 173 00:11:15,450 --> 00:11:20,880 starting points. If I back up though, there's a 174 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:23,620 really interesting thread through this passage that we 175 00:11:23,630 --> 00:11:28,360 didn't touch on much during the Bible study and I didn't touch 176 00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:33,230 on at all during the sermon. And that is so that the link 177 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,670 between where Jesus says do not judge, and then in the end where 178 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:41,890 he says you will be able to see clearly to take out the spec 179 00:11:41,900 --> 00:11:46,230 from your brother's eye, There is a connection there. 180 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:55,850 And so if you look at the way Jesus says by best backup here, 181 00:11:55,860 --> 00:12:04,170 so judge, and this was, I believe mentioned, um, actually 182 00:12:04,820 --> 00:12:07,320 I believe it was Lindsey who pointed this out to everybody at 183 00:12:07,330 --> 00:12:08,980 the Bible study. She's a smart. 184 00:12:08,990 --> 00:12:14,550 One, yeah, absolutely. Is that to judge has this social 185 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:19,970 implication of cutting off. So it's not just judging as in 186 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:25,310 I've decided that what you are doing is wrong, right. 187 00:12:25,380 --> 00:12:27,690 And we like doing that. We like, we like the armchair 188 00:12:27,700 --> 00:12:30,450 judge, like I've decided you're wrong. 189 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:33,250 Usually what that means is I've decided I'm right. 190 00:12:33,700 --> 00:12:35,860 Yeah. So, you know, that's also just 191 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:41,980 something to watch out for. But in Jesus day, this idea of 192 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:48,420 judging and creno, that verb to judge that Jesus says stop doing 193 00:12:48,470 --> 00:12:52,620 actually is a judgment that includes this social isolation 194 00:12:52,630 --> 00:12:57,040 or casting out. So to judge someone actually 195 00:12:57,090 --> 00:13:02,520 implied that they were also cast out of Christian community. 196 00:13:02,590 --> 00:13:05,380 Well, in Jesus day wasn't Christianity was the Jewish 197 00:13:05,390 --> 00:13:08,830 community and to be a member of that community was like your 198 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:14,010 salvation was wrapped up in your membership too, the Jewish 199 00:13:14,020 --> 00:13:17,210 community. And so to cast out from the 200 00:13:17,220 --> 00:13:21,810 Jewish community is is like we're talking now to cast away 201 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:24,850 from like you're no longer part of the covenant people of God. 202 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,290 You no longer have access to your your rights and rituals of 203 00:13:30,300 --> 00:13:33,390 spiritual formation, forgiveness, reconciliation with 204 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,720 God, with others, all of it. So this is like, this is 205 00:13:36,730 --> 00:13:41,220 judgment toward literal isolation, like, like social, 206 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:44,960 emotional, relational isolation, but also toward religious 207 00:13:45,020 --> 00:13:50,260 exclusion. So like, that's a really serious 208 00:13:51,190 --> 00:13:55,240 move to make against somebody. And so she says like, stop 209 00:13:55,250 --> 00:13:57,160 judging them, stop condemning them. 210 00:13:57,210 --> 00:14:00,190 And really, I think those two words together are like, that's 211 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,770 the full force of of what this casting out looks like. 212 00:14:04,780 --> 00:14:07,060 So you are you are judging them, you're casting them, you're 213 00:14:07,070 --> 00:14:09,240 condemning them. And it's almost like you say 214 00:14:09,250 --> 00:14:12,900 you're condemning them toward a way of death, socially, 215 00:14:12,910 --> 00:14:17,380 relationally, emotionally, spiritually, in the sort of 216 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:19,780 holistic way we understand human beings. 217 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:24,710 And condemning sort of has that it has that implication a little 218 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,280 bit more than judging, right, at least in our in our modern 219 00:14:27,290 --> 00:14:28,940 language. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 220 00:14:29,750 --> 00:14:33,530 So then to jump down to where Jesus says it's not the same 221 00:14:33,540 --> 00:14:39,000 word, but where he says you'll be able to take the splinter 222 00:14:39,010 --> 00:14:47,220 out, what he actually says is Ebalo cast out. 223 00:14:48,910 --> 00:14:53,110 So the flip is to move. So he says stop judging people. 224 00:14:54,060 --> 00:14:58,120 The person. Don't cast the person out, he 225 00:14:58,130 --> 00:15:00,640 says. Cast the splinter out. 226 00:15:01,850 --> 00:15:06,630 So in my reading of it, and I don't think like this is not 227 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:08,610 like my reading. I've got the reading of this. 228 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:10,660 That's not what I'm saying. There are lots of scholars who. 229 00:15:10,670 --> 00:15:13,200 But right, right. So in in my reading of this 230 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:17,640 understanding of commentaries and like in our prep for the 231 00:15:17,650 --> 00:15:21,100 Bible study, in all of it prep for the sermon, I see this as a 232 00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:31,330 move from being ones who judge and cast out others, other 233 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:38,600 people, to being ones who cast out the things that hurt one 234 00:15:38,610 --> 00:15:40,200 another. Right. 235 00:15:40,270 --> 00:15:47,620 So so distinguishing between the the person and the actions that 236 00:15:47,630 --> 00:15:52,120 are are potentially harmful to to them to others around. 237 00:15:52,130 --> 00:15:54,910 Them Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, I'm so I'm not 238 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,020 saying what we like. I'm not. 239 00:15:56,030 --> 00:16:00,280 This isn't just like another version of hate the sin, love 240 00:16:00,290 --> 00:16:02,300 the Sinner. This isn't that. 241 00:16:02,310 --> 00:16:05,630 Yeah, no. No, but you know, like I, I 242 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:13,110 think we, we take that splinter and log analogy and connect it 243 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,730 with judging and think that Jesus is saying, well, don't 244 00:16:18,740 --> 00:16:22,230 judge unless you first judged yourself and dealt with your own 245 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,220 stuff and then you can judge others. 246 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,750 But what he's really saying is don't cast people out toward 247 00:16:28,820 --> 00:16:33,340 death, right? He says, forgive, give. 248 00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:37,240 So it says this restoration, bring back into community, 249 00:16:37,290 --> 00:16:45,180 embrace, move them toward life. The splinter and the log like 250 00:16:45,330 --> 00:16:47,820 it. It's not judgment that he's that 251 00:16:47,830 --> 00:16:51,350 he's enabling or talking about. I think he's actually saying 252 00:16:52,170 --> 00:16:55,800 it's it sucks having something stuck in your eye like it hurts. 253 00:16:55,810 --> 00:16:57,840 Help each other. Help one another? 254 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,020 Yeah. Help one another deal with the 255 00:17:00,030 --> 00:17:03,380 the things of pain and sorrow and sadness and sin. 256 00:17:03,390 --> 00:17:07,720 Like like help heal one another. There are things that I can't 257 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:10,060 see clearly. Help me. 258 00:17:10,109 --> 00:17:11,200 Help. Exactly. 259 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:12,940 Exactly. It doesn't give you license to 260 00:17:12,950 --> 00:17:16,180 judge. It gives you the ability to love 261 00:17:16,190 --> 00:17:20,770 and care and heal one another. So like, it's a relief to get 262 00:17:20,780 --> 00:17:22,810 that splinter pulled out. Like when you have something in 263 00:17:22,819 --> 00:17:24,829 your eyes. I work, I work glasses, but I 264 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,829 wear contacts all the time when I run, play hockey, etc. 265 00:17:27,869 --> 00:17:31,980 So like you, you're, you wear, do you wear contacts? 266 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:33,120 You don't wear contacts? No. 267 00:17:34,540 --> 00:17:36,600 When you have something underneath a contact or that 268 00:17:36,610 --> 00:17:39,820 contact gets like flipped sideways, like it's painful. 269 00:17:39,830 --> 00:17:42,340 I remember the first time, like I lost a contact into like the 270 00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:43,580 side of my eye. Yeah. 271 00:17:43,650 --> 00:17:46,090 And I couldn't get it out. Like I couldn't do it. 272 00:17:46,100 --> 00:17:51,130 I couldn't see to get the contact back on the right side 273 00:17:51,140 --> 00:17:52,570 of my eye. I'm like, I had visions of it's 274 00:17:52,580 --> 00:17:55,370 like it's on the back of my eye. It's gone forever, which is 275 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:57,410 physically impossible. I realized that much like I 276 00:17:57,420 --> 00:18:00,130 stayed in, you know, school long enough to figure that much out, 277 00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:07,380 but like, it hurts and it and it like sometimes you need somebody 278 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:11,820 else to fix what is broken in your at least help you. 279 00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:15,920 And yet your wife like fishing. Or she couldn't do it. 280 00:18:15,930 --> 00:18:18,600 She couldn't do it. She could never work contacts. 281 00:18:18,610 --> 00:18:20,540 That's just. Yeah, by her own admission, she 282 00:18:20,550 --> 00:18:22,730 would. The common occurrence in our in 283 00:18:22,740 --> 00:18:27,290 our house is not that common, but relatively common is I'll 284 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:30,150 hear like a shriek from from the bathroom and I'll be like my 285 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,610 contacts on the floor. I can't find them because I my 286 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:36,820 contacts are out and so then I'll pull up my like flashlight 287 00:18:36,830 --> 00:18:40,660 and you're like, oh, takes us like usually 5 minutes to 288 00:18:40,670 --> 00:18:42,460 fucking. And then you don't want it back 289 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:46,790 anyways. So anyway, this is it though. 290 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,010 Like this is I just, I think because of the way Matthew has 291 00:18:50,020 --> 00:18:53,980 that those same versus similar versus ordered, it is like 1 292 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:56,770 immediately after the other. We want to hold those things 293 00:18:56,780 --> 00:18:58,350 together. And I do think that there is a 294 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:01,070 reading that is helpful. Like we do need to Jesus saying 295 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,150 don't judge. And he is saying deal with your 296 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,330 own stuff. And he is saying don't point 297 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:08,100 other people like other people stuff out while not dealing with 298 00:19:08,110 --> 00:19:11,510 your own stuff. But in the end, he doesn't say 299 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,370 it's not a return to judging the person. 300 00:19:14,890 --> 00:19:17,120 I do think there's this beautiful image where he says 301 00:19:17,250 --> 00:19:21,040 expel the thing that harms one another. 302 00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:24,610 Yeah. So his move is toward life 303 00:19:24,620 --> 00:19:28,170 always. And that's why I turned in the 304 00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:29,590 sermon. I turned to Henry now. 305 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,870 And who talks about becoming, like, learning to be a wounded 306 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,970 healer? Like your wounds, your stuff, it 307 00:19:38,980 --> 00:19:42,340 doesn't disqualify you from helping one another from living 308 00:19:42,350 --> 00:19:46,860 life inside the Kingdom, but you need to deal with it so that it 309 00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:49,440 doesn't harm when you're trying to help. 310 00:19:49,510 --> 00:19:53,230 Jesus says, like he said, you're trying to help the person. 311 00:19:53,390 --> 00:19:57,460 He's not saying that you're trying to harm them, but even 312 00:19:57,470 --> 00:20:01,310 best intentions, you can still harm somebody with a plank 313 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:02,880 sticking out the front of your face. 314 00:20:03,050 --> 00:20:08,400 So it's a comedic way of saying. Learn to help one another. 315 00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:10,020 Hmm. But it's like, put put the 316 00:20:10,030 --> 00:20:12,080 oxygen mask on yourself first. Like you. 317 00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:14,980 If you pass out, you can't help anybody. 318 00:20:15,070 --> 00:20:19,640 Yeah, right. Yeah, it, it really is. 319 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:24,480 I think it's a movement away from exclusion toward embrace. 320 00:20:24,610 --> 00:20:28,880 And then it's the continuation of that that Jesus works out 321 00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:32,700 where he says you've dealt with your own stuff enough that you 322 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:40,250 can learn to help one another. I'm picturing like a a scenario 323 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:47,120 where say a person is struggling with don't choose anything too 324 00:20:47,130 --> 00:20:50,740 intense but also not too. Like lying, lying, stealing. 325 00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:53,280 Yeah, let's just say lying, right, That they are, that they 326 00:20:53,290 --> 00:20:57,080 are someone who is often extending or bending the truth. 327 00:20:57,150 --> 00:21:04,520 Sure. For me, I have multiple options. 328 00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:08,400 I, I could judge them and just say what, what a, what a 329 00:21:08,410 --> 00:21:12,940 wretched person they are for, for being a liar. 330 00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:15,800 Like they lied to me and I'm pretty mad about it. 331 00:21:15,810 --> 00:21:19,920 And, and I, I have a lot of I have, I just, I want them out of 332 00:21:19,930 --> 00:21:21,400 my life. I want them whenever I want them 333 00:21:21,410 --> 00:21:23,160 out of the church community, whatever, right? 334 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,410 That's a that's an option. That would be the the do not 335 00:21:28,420 --> 00:21:33,990 judge part of part of the equation where I am judging the 336 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,390 other part that I need to take into account. 337 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,770 I'm just kind of trying to unpack this for, for like what 338 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:42,350 this looks like in in real time is then I need to then look 339 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,170 within. Is it where, where have I been 340 00:21:46,180 --> 00:21:48,020 untruthful? Where, where? 341 00:21:48,030 --> 00:21:51,020 Like if I, if I'm going, and I'm not saying I should judge this 342 00:21:51,030 --> 00:21:52,280 person, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna judge them. 343 00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:57,550 I better at least look inside. But then Jesus then takes it 344 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,170 further and says, no, no, no. This should take you through 345 00:22:01,180 --> 00:22:06,710 multiple layers of, of like checks and balances so that 346 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,830 instead of judging them, you want to aid them in their 347 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,670 journey of, of toward wholeness, toward stopping lying because 348 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,630 they're lying is hurting the community or themselves or their 349 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:19,730 family or whatever. Right. 350 00:22:19,740 --> 00:22:22,970 And so like it that that's, I just wanted to kind of unpack 351 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:25,610 that as like a way to sort of like, OK, don't judge. 352 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,690 That's how you do it in this situation. 353 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,520 Look internally then help. Yeah, I think so. 354 00:22:32,530 --> 00:22:35,770 I like, I think you. Yeah, this. 355 00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:40,970 And listen, like I think this is where we continue to struggle to 356 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:50,610 do things well and write and in ways that help because I, I do 357 00:22:50,620 --> 00:22:55,700 think that the the best, like the most well-intentioned 358 00:22:55,710 --> 00:23:05,200 Christians can still in wanting to help somebody communicate in 359 00:23:05,250 --> 00:23:09,120 it in a way that is that excludes or that drives away 360 00:23:09,130 --> 00:23:15,690 totally. But there also needs to be like, 361 00:23:15,820 --> 00:23:20,490 it's what Jesus isn't saying is avoid honest conversation, 362 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,310 right? So I think that I think it does 363 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:29,010 matter. Um, and it's like it's taken out 364 00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:33,230 of, it's taken out of context. But John McKay, who I've talked 365 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,030 about many times probably on the podcast already has a line in 366 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,430 mission work where he says that we as Christians need to earn 367 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,720 the right to be heard. Yes. 368 00:23:43,950 --> 00:23:47,960 And you know, what he's saying is essentially, you need there, 369 00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:51,260 there needs to be a level of trust and sincerity and 370 00:23:51,270 --> 00:23:54,780 relationship that's been built in order for you to be able to 371 00:23:54,790 --> 00:23:57,660 proclaim the gospel into somebody's life in a way that 372 00:23:57,670 --> 00:24:01,160 actually transforms them. And I would say that the same 373 00:24:01,170 --> 00:24:06,780 thing is true here, that you're like, one of the things I would 374 00:24:06,790 --> 00:24:10,450 hope that you would take into account as you pray through and 375 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:14,770 wrestle through, like, let us say, confronting somebody on 376 00:24:14,780 --> 00:24:18,810 something is what like, what is the relational capital that you 377 00:24:18,820 --> 00:24:23,620 have? And, um, is this going to drain 378 00:24:23,630 --> 00:24:26,240 it? Like are you overextending? 379 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:30,890 You know, is it like, well, I can buy that car with X amount 380 00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:38,090 of cash and then also this amount of line of credit and 381 00:24:38,140 --> 00:24:43,210 that loan plus this extra, you know, gift? 382 00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:45,590 Over here at all. Probably shouldn't be doing it 383 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,170 right like it's so I just I think that that is one of the 384 00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:54,570 things you need to take into account is honestly assessing 385 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,150 yeah, that that relationship Jesus does lay out the a 386 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,410 paradigm for conflict right where you are supposed to go 387 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,370 one-on-one to someone you have conflict with. 388 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,590 And if that doesn't work, he says gather some people around 389 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:14,930 you. Is it gather the elder? 390 00:25:14,940 --> 00:25:23,390 Like gather, you know, a group of people go together and so 391 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,380 like there, there is, I think there is, there has to be room 392 00:25:27,390 --> 00:25:32,680 for that inside the Kingdom. But I do think that the burden 393 00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:44,240 falls on you, me, you, whoever's listening, watching to do most 394 00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:48,370 of the hard heart work internally. 395 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,830 Hmm. Yeah, before we adjust like 396 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,450 this, yeah, I guess the last thing I would say, I'm probably 397 00:25:55,460 --> 00:26:00,340 repeating myself now is I think again, these are meant to be 398 00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,290 rules for the road. They're meant to be quick, like 399 00:26:03,300 --> 00:26:06,900 aphorisms was the word that we used a Bible study on Wednesday. 400 00:26:06,910 --> 00:26:10,740 They are true statements about life inside the Kingdom. 401 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:18,350 They have meaning across all of life and time and space and that 402 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,200 doesn't deplete, that doesn't diminish their meaning and that 403 00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:24,830 the impact and influence. But it also is like we're 404 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,150 probably not meant to pick apart every possible iteration or 405 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,830 scenario where we could or couldn't apply these things. 406 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,930 And I would say like, do you have a bent toward are you more 407 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:40,910 likely? Do you more often point out 408 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,730 other peoples stuff or do you spend more time looking at your 409 00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:50,210 own heart and your own life? That's probably like the extent 410 00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:51,830 to which was like, like, just leave it there. 411 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,470 Yeah. Spend more time working on your 412 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,830 own stuff and less time working on other people's stuff. 413 00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:58,790 Spend enough time working on your own stuff that you 414 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,910 genuinely care about the other person experiencing life in a 415 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,970 fuller measure. Because it's not just about 416 00:27:05,980 --> 00:27:08,150 like, you know, I'm going to mind my own business. 417 00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:11,960 I'm just gonna do my own thing. You know, it's, it's not about 418 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:14,290 that. I mean, there are times then 419 00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:16,050 yes, we should just mind our own business. 420 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:25,000 But but but yeah, it seems as though it is more about I, I 421 00:27:25,050 --> 00:27:29,030 need to make sure if I am going to have a hopefully, loving, 422 00:27:29,100 --> 00:27:33,330 hopefully, hopefully what they can feel cared for if I'm going 423 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:35,730 to have that conversation with someone about an area of their 424 00:27:35,740 --> 00:27:40,450 life that I'm concerned about. Yeah, I am I spending more time 425 00:27:40,460 --> 00:27:44,650 looking in where the OR am I looking constantly for, for to 426 00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:46,350 point out people's faults, right. 427 00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:50,780 That the if I have a bench toward that, what's that about? 428 00:27:50,790 --> 00:27:54,190 What I might need to explore that further, and I think even 429 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,560 more broadly, I, I've heard it said and there's been some, you 430 00:27:59,570 --> 00:28:06,380 know, data to back this up that often our our world more broadly 431 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:10,980 sees Christians as some of the most judgmental people on. 432 00:28:10,990 --> 00:28:13,700 Earth and hypocritical. And critical both. 433 00:28:13,710 --> 00:28:14,760 Yeah. Absolutely. 434 00:28:14,770 --> 00:28:22,510 And and so this is this is an area without being like overly 435 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:28,570 like melodramatic like this, this really matters for our 436 00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:34,840 witness, for just our credibility in the world. 437 00:28:35,010 --> 00:28:38,320 Hmm, yeah. Like maybe that's worth diving 438 00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:43,300 into for a moment of just like how how we do this passage can 439 00:28:43,310 --> 00:28:47,140 have a massive impact on on whether or not someone is 440 00:28:47,150 --> 00:28:49,820 potentially even open to the message of Jesus. 441 00:28:50,350 --> 00:28:54,620 Absolutely. Which is, yeah, so absolutely 442 00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:58,980 worth hammering home like for those of us who call ourselves 443 00:28:58,990 --> 00:29:02,460 followers of Jesus. Barna did a, I think it was 444 00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:05,260 Barna. Hey, Barna and Pew Research 445 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:07,710 jointly. But anyways, Barna did a long 446 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:16,060 study of, I think it was largely millennials and back in the day 447 00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:18,590 when millennials were the up and coming generation. 448 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,730 When we were like in the 20s. When we were the cool. 449 00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:23,220 Ones I think it was like 2007 or something. 450 00:29:23,230 --> 00:29:26,880 Yeah, somewhere around. There and one of the questions 451 00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:32,020 was do you so the questions posed to people who would not 452 00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:37,560 identify as Christians for a variety of reasons, but do you 453 00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:40,400 view Christians was the question, do you view Christians 454 00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:45,360 as ones who align more with Jesus or with the Pharisees? 455 00:29:45,890 --> 00:29:48,920 And the vast majority, and I don't remember the exact 456 00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:54,140 percentages, but I think it was like 80% or something high 70s, 457 00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:59,580 maybe low 80s said that they perceived Christians actions to 458 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:04,260 align more with those of the Pharisees than those of Jesus. 459 00:30:04,990 --> 00:30:08,780 And so that's not like that's not a pastor saying that. 460 00:30:08,790 --> 00:30:13,980 That's not Christians of our own, you know, in our own 461 00:30:13,990 --> 00:30:17,960 judgment and like denominationalism and like, 462 00:30:18,010 --> 00:30:20,430 that's not, we're not, we're not doing, we're not saying that of 463 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,560 ourselves. That's how we're perceived, 464 00:30:24,570 --> 00:30:31,140 Yeah, by the vast majority of a generation of people who either 465 00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:34,380 never grew up in the church or who walked away from the church. 466 00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:40,820 So like, I think we need to hear that and go back to these 467 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:45,670 passages again, because I think if we're rationalizing getting 468 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,310 to judgment, I go, we missed the whole plot, right? 469 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,410 If we are explaining away the general principles of like, no, 470 00:30:54,420 --> 00:30:57,610 Jesus saying live generously, we're like, well, but yeah, but 471 00:30:57,620 --> 00:31:01,000 when can I judge? Like can't. 472 00:31:01,010 --> 00:31:06,180 Surely at some point I'll be good enough to judge others, he 473 00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:08,360 says. No judgment is mine, says the 474 00:31:08,370 --> 00:31:10,620 Lord. Unless you're gonna go to law 475 00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:15,790 school and then work your way up to being a literal judge, don't 476 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,960 judge. Sure, fair, different kind of 477 00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:24,720 judging. But right, like this is, this 478 00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:29,380 is, I think this is a battle for all of for, for for many, many 479 00:31:29,390 --> 00:31:31,280 Christians, if not every single Christian. 480 00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:37,700 Yeah, we are. We Christians are our own worst 481 00:31:37,710 --> 00:31:43,020 PR nightmare. Like, yeah, so it is. 482 00:31:43,030 --> 00:31:45,740 I do think it matters the way we do those matters tremendously, 483 00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:51,540 the way we learn to be generous, overly abundant, right gracious 484 00:31:51,610 --> 00:31:56,490 with people. And Jesus says that like it 485 00:31:56,580 --> 00:32:01,110 needs to include honesty and living an integrated life. 486 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:08,160 Put back together, mended um. Yeah, it's, I think it's worth 487 00:32:08,170 --> 00:32:11,400 noting because I, I've, I'm, I'm thinking of some scenarios where 488 00:32:11,410 --> 00:32:17,050 where some folks have said, man, Christians are so judgmental 489 00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:20,840 about this person or situation or whatever. 490 00:32:20,850 --> 00:32:24,240 And, and I would say, yeah, you're, you're, you're not 491 00:32:24,250 --> 00:32:29,880 wrong. However, I think this is where 492 00:32:29,890 --> 00:32:32,640 we need to distinguish between what is, you know, what is 493 00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:36,860 taking the, the, the splinter out versus what is having 494 00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:42,280 boundaries. So once if a person is has done 495 00:32:42,370 --> 00:32:46,000 some awful things, say they're a Christian in the name of Jesus, 496 00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:49,200 whatever, they've done some awful things, It's probably just 497 00:32:49,210 --> 00:32:54,930 worth reiterating that it's not judgmental to say I am not going 498 00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:58,340 to put it put you in a position of authority in this way anymore 499 00:32:58,470 --> 00:33:01,560 or I am, you know, if if someone is is a thief, I'm not going to 500 00:33:01,570 --> 00:33:04,150 put them in charge of the finances, even if I have 501 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,310 forgiven them. You know, like, like again, 502 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,660 there, there is wisdom, there is discernment and then there is 503 00:33:11,670 --> 00:33:14,160 judgment. And, and, and those are 504 00:33:14,170 --> 00:33:18,500 different things. And, and we can discern and, and 505 00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:21,860 in community, hopefully not just by ourselves and isolation, but 506 00:33:21,930 --> 00:33:25,460 we can discern and say that's probably not a wise choice, 507 00:33:25,510 --> 00:33:27,900 right? So I just think it's worth 508 00:33:27,910 --> 00:33:33,140 highlighting that, that I, I've heard some folks critique, like 509 00:33:33,250 --> 00:33:36,380 fellow Christians critique other fellow Christians about their 510 00:33:36,430 --> 00:33:39,020 judgmental attitudes when really it's like, no, that's, that's 511 00:33:39,030 --> 00:33:42,280 probably a, a wise choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 512 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,710 Yeah, absolutely. So the piece that you said 513 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,890 though that I want to double down on is the in community, 514 00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:53,420 right? Because I think that's the the 515 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:58,600 mechanism or the environment, the ecosystem in which 516 00:33:58,650 --> 00:34:01,870 discernment happens. So again, like, if we're looking 517 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,830 for quick sort of simple principles, judgment happens in 518 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,070 isolation much more and at least begins like, I think it begins 519 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,010 in, like, in yourself. Yeah. 520 00:34:16,190 --> 00:34:18,860 And then, you know, at our worst, we're like, hey, let's 521 00:34:18,870 --> 00:34:20,980 judge this guy together. You're right. 522 00:34:21,250 --> 00:34:23,400 This check. Which we never say outright. 523 00:34:23,409 --> 00:34:25,280 But no. But like, that's right. 524 00:34:25,389 --> 00:34:31,139 So the judgment happens in isolation. 525 00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:35,650 Discernment happens, I would say, by and large in community. 526 00:34:35,659 --> 00:34:38,760 Yeah. So if everybody around you is 527 00:34:38,770 --> 00:34:43,780 saying this person should not be in a position of leadership and 528 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:48,380 you're saying, but I believe they could be or should be. 529 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:53,540 I'm just saying like be pretty crystal. 530 00:34:53,550 --> 00:34:57,030 You gotta be. You gotta be very certain if you 531 00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:01,580 are the one inside of a community saying this, or if 532 00:35:01,650 --> 00:35:08,110 there's a situation that has risen like has arisen where, you 533 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:13,640 know, you are saying like in a family setting, I'll say if the 534 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:18,430 family together have discerned that there needs to be some 535 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:27,740 level of boundary with a particular individual, it's, 536 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:29,660 it's probably something worth listening to. 537 00:35:29,730 --> 00:35:36,040 Yeah, if you're the only person saying yeah, but maybe not like 538 00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:38,430 I don't, I don't agree. And that's not, I'm not saying 539 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,040 that the the crowds are always right, no, and the individuals 540 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:44,570 always wrong. That's not what I'm saying, but 541 00:35:44,580 --> 00:35:49,230 I am saying that God gives discernment in in community, 542 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,150 just like he calls in community, right and encourages and equips 543 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,210 and these things toward life in in community as well. 544 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,830 You know, you know, I know we are most encouraged inside of 545 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,890 community. So, you know, I think why would 546 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:07,110 the why would the same not be true also for some of these more 547 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,440 harder but negative implication conversations also be truest in 548 00:36:12,450 --> 00:36:15,500 community? And there's like I, I've talked 549 00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:18,980 with some folks who have a wonderful level of 550 00:36:18,990 --> 00:36:23,500 self-awareness where they will, where they will say, I'm not as 551 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:28,170 discerning on these matters as say my spouse or someone else, 552 00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:29,850 right? And so, so they're like, you 553 00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:33,250 know, I know that about myself. And so therefore I'm going to 554 00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:36,000 defer to them sometimes, right? And I think that could be true 555 00:36:36,010 --> 00:36:38,920 for, for community more broadly as well, saying like, Hey, I am, 556 00:36:39,010 --> 00:36:43,430 I'm not, I don't have my, my Spidey senses don't go off in 557 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,870 the same way that yours do, right. 558 00:36:45,940 --> 00:36:49,040 And so like, let me, let me hear what you're trying to say so 559 00:36:49,050 --> 00:36:52,290 that I can understand. And and even if I may not agree, 560 00:36:52,540 --> 00:36:55,790 I'm going to, I'm going to defer and submit to you out of, you 561 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,900 know, just your wisdom and leadership. 562 00:36:57,910 --> 00:37:00,050 Yeah. Last thing I want to say on kind 563 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:05,380 of this trajectory, and I'm going to spoil next week's 564 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:06,840 sermon. Already love it. 565 00:37:07,610 --> 00:37:13,240 But so far in six during the sermon on the plane, we've seen 566 00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:21,100 Jesus talk about far more topics related to the heart than 567 00:37:21,150 --> 00:37:24,060 action. So I think that's important just 568 00:37:24,070 --> 00:37:29,720 to highlight that the blessings and woes are meant to be this 569 00:37:29,770 --> 00:37:34,950 introspective looking in myself and ourselves as a community. 570 00:37:35,700 --> 00:37:40,860 The love for enemies has more to say to me than it does my enemy, 571 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,930 right? We talked about how we we often 572 00:37:42,940 --> 00:37:46,150 want to say more to our enemy than we want that situation to 573 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,210 speak to us. But it loving our enemies is 574 00:37:50,270 --> 00:37:56,250 this internal battle that we have to move through and sort of 575 00:37:56,340 --> 00:38:02,420 reckon with and now judging others and condemning, learning 576 00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:05,510 to be generous again. This is this is introspective 577 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,950 work. This is heart work. 578 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,530 This is work that I need to do on myself far more than it is 579 00:38:10,540 --> 00:38:14,790 about the other person. Like though, it's Jesus says 580 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,590 stop judging and you will not be judged, which we haven't even 581 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,790 touched on yet, but stop judging. 582 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,590 He he really doesn't care about who you're judging. 583 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,230 He's like, it's not stop judging unless they're deserve it, 584 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:29,320 right? Unless they deserve it, it's 585 00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:32,280 just saying stop doing it. And he says stop condemning. 586 00:38:32,290 --> 00:38:35,920 So it's introspective. All of the Sermon on the Mount 587 00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:42,600 up to this point has essentially been saying do the hard work of 588 00:38:42,610 --> 00:38:48,340 self examination of humility, the heart work that is like 589 00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:53,180 turned in on yourself, not not to exclude others, but because 590 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:58,440 who you are matters in terms of how you are going to live in the 591 00:38:58,450 --> 00:39:00,940 Kingdom. And so he's saying do all this 592 00:39:00,950 --> 00:39:04,250 work. Now we're going to he flips in 593 00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:09,730 43 and he says very clearly, no good tree bears bad fruit. 594 00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:12,430 He says there is a purpose to doing all this work. 595 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,090 It's not just for yourself, it's for the other. 596 00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:18,910 It's it's so that this community can explode. 597 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,850 Hmm. And and so that people will 598 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:25,800 encounter fully formed individuals who are living life 599 00:39:25,810 --> 00:39:27,740 inside the Kingdom. And he says, but if you so if 600 00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:30,770 you do that work, you're not going to bear bad fruit. 601 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,470 If you don't do that work, you're probably going to bear 602 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,580 bad fruit. Trees are going to be recognized 603 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:38,080 by their fruit. We again, we go, I'm going to 604 00:39:38,090 --> 00:39:40,290 recognize your fruit and I'm going to recognize your fruit. 605 00:39:40,300 --> 00:39:42,750 And I'm going to like good fruit over here, bad fruit over there. 606 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,980 But no, what he's saying is you're like, your fruit will be 607 00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:48,900 recognized, right? Your heart will be recognized, 608 00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:51,380 who you are will be recognized by the fruit that flows out of 609 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:55,250 who you are. And then he says 4 out of the 610 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:57,140 mouth speaks what the heart is full of. 611 00:39:57,150 --> 00:40:00,480 And it's almost like we finally get to this. 612 00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:05,100 So what already? Right. 613 00:40:05,170 --> 00:40:10,080 If you're, if your heart is full of judgment, Yep, that will pour 614 00:40:10,090 --> 00:40:13,660 out in your in your mouth, in your words and your actions. 615 00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:15,820 Yeah. And So what Jesus is doing, he's 616 00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:21,140 creating the new Israel, right? Like this is biblical Israel, 617 00:40:21,150 --> 00:40:26,880 people of God called and equipped to bless others always 618 00:40:26,890 --> 00:40:30,820 for a purpose. Jesus, we started Jesus calls 12 619 00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:34,760 disciples, names them apostles, 12 tribes of Israel. 620 00:40:34,770 --> 00:40:38,920 We go new Israel, new people of God called for a purpose to be a 621 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:42,310 witness in the world. And now Jesus is saying do that 622 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:48,790 hard work so that out of your mouth comes good things of the 623 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,970 Kingdom. And so we finally get to this 624 00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:53,090 point. Where is it really? 625 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:59,120 He's been building this teaching and it's like, here's the So 626 00:40:59,130 --> 00:41:02,760 what? Yeah, So that's why I, I'm 627 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:10,000 always insistent on like up to this point, we've been, it's 628 00:41:10,010 --> 00:41:13,300 it's it has had more to say about who we are and who we are 629 00:41:13,310 --> 00:41:17,370 becoming than the other. Because now Jesus wants to flip 630 00:41:17,380 --> 00:41:21,790 and say actually go and do this. Good. 631 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,870 Hmm. Work in the world, speak good 632 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,860 things, bear good fruit. It's work that it's work that 633 00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:32,040 leads to life. I mean, that you talk about a 634 00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:35,480 little bit already like that. It's and you know, a tree 635 00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:39,220 bearing good fruit is a tree that is bearing life, right. 636 00:41:39,790 --> 00:41:44,260 And, and that seems to be almost the the choices we are making 637 00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:51,860 here is will you choose judgment and death and and exclusion and 638 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:57,450 exile, or will you choose life? Hmm. 639 00:41:59,330 --> 00:42:03,160 So one other question kind of connected to Jesus's statements 640 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:08,190 about judging and he says do not judge and you will not be 641 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,900 judged. Same thing for condemnation. 642 00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:16,100 The question that I have is, what is that? 643 00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:20,820 What does even mean? Like who is the one judging me? 644 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,400 Is it other people? Is it? 645 00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:26,100 Is it God? Is it both? 646 00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:31,480 Is it and is the implication if if I don't, if I don't judge, 647 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:34,620 that I will not be judged because it feels like I could be 648 00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:37,820 the least judgmental person I know and and possibly still 649 00:42:37,830 --> 00:42:40,900 could be judged. So like what's going on here? 650 00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:42,460 Is there? We talked a little bit about 651 00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:46,120 last week Christian karma. We talked, you talked about it a 652 00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:47,960 little bit in your sermon on Sunday. 653 00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:55,950 Be curious as as we've kind of unpacked this where you know 654 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,090 where your head is at. Uh huh. 655 00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:01,370 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just, I keep going back to 656 00:43:01,460 --> 00:43:07,510 silly illustrations of TV shows and, yeah, characters who can't 657 00:43:07,580 --> 00:43:11,330 give gifts without or receive gifts without also giving gifts 658 00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:13,970 of comparable value, right? And just, we struggle with this. 659 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:15,670 I think we also struggle with this. 660 00:43:17,250 --> 00:43:20,060 Yeah. If I if I receive something, do 661 00:43:20,070 --> 00:43:22,460 I have to give something back? How how many times do you have 662 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:26,620 to say thank you in what form? Like you have to write This is 663 00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:27,770 always one. Do you? 664 00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:30,140 So when you after you get married, do you have to write a 665 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:32,840 thank you card to every single person for the gift that they 666 00:43:32,850 --> 00:43:34,320 gave? Yes. 667 00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:36,520 Like still technically, yes, absolutely. 668 00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:38,800 It's a good to say thank you. It absolutely. 669 00:43:38,810 --> 00:43:40,910 Is always get to be great. But it's a pain in the. 670 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,590 Butt it's hard to do. Yeah, yeah, I just think like 671 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,330 there's we, we wrestle with this idea, right? 672 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,410 And I think and stop me if if I said this last week already, but 673 00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:54,690 I think it might be worth saying again. 674 00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:01,510 The I almost think we want it to be as simple as that because not 675 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,350 because we are good at giving, but because we suck. 676 00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:09,430 We have a really hard time receiving grace. 677 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,090 So I think we want it to be if this, then that if I don't 678 00:44:14,100 --> 00:44:18,780 judge, I won't be judged, right? If I don't condemn, then I won't 679 00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:20,940 be condemned. I don't want to be condemned and 680 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:23,500 I don't want to be judged. Therefore, I will not judge and 681 00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:27,430 I will not condemn, because I receive what I give and I don't 682 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,860 want to receive it, so I won't give. 683 00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:35,720 It great done perfect. Yeah, now you and I know that 684 00:44:35,730 --> 00:44:38,550 that's impossible. Yeah, because I am gonna judge 685 00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:42,270 and I'm going to condemn and I am going to like, human beings 686 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,370 are prone toward those things. Yeah. 687 00:44:44,380 --> 00:44:46,710 So does that mean I will be judged? 688 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,470 Like, I think Jesus, in part, is working out what is true about 689 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,870 humanity. Like, he's not working it out as 690 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,150 in, like, figuring it out what it means. 691 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:59,450 He's fleshing it out for people. This is true, Yeah. 692 00:45:00,630 --> 00:45:08,560 There is some level of reciprocity in generosity or 693 00:45:08,570 --> 00:45:10,650 like stinginess. And we talk about culture. 694 00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:13,320 So let's talk about culture of churches for a second, because, 695 00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:15,970 you know, why would that be relevant? 696 00:45:16,900 --> 00:45:20,910 OK, I've gone into some church, like there are churches, their 697 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,230 churches with millions of dollars in the bank, but who 698 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:30,970 live fearful to spend any of it because they might lose all of 699 00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:32,890 it. And then what will they be? 700 00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:34,650 What will they have? What will they do? 701 00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:43,190 And that culture explodes inside of a church when every decision 702 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,430 is funneled through the Is this going to, is this going to tap 703 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,810 into our capital? Do we have the money to do it? 704 00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:52,840 How are we going to replace it? What income is this gonna bring 705 00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:56,660 in to, to replace the income that that at the expense that 706 00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:59,440 goes out, right? Like everything, you know, it's 707 00:45:59,450 --> 00:46:05,810 just this mindset of scarcity where there's never enough, 708 00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:13,850 where fear drives and wins the day drives decisions, and it's 709 00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:17,350 contagious. You know, in in the worst sense 710 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,050 of the word. Absolutely. 711 00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:23,850 The flip, though, is where somebody chooses to be generous. 712 00:46:24,340 --> 00:46:27,530 Generosity is also contagious. And when? 713 00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:30,230 So when I scale it out and I say, what's Jesus trying to do? 714 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:31,840 Well, he's trying to form a community. 715 00:46:33,020 --> 00:46:35,430 He he's not trying to. He is forming a community. 716 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,850 He is telling us how life will be inside the Kingdom. 717 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,390 Yeah. And I almost think there is a 718 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,300 little bit of a way to read this where he says stop judging and 719 00:46:47,310 --> 00:46:51,060 guess what, you'll live inside of a community where people 720 00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:52,920 aren't judged. If you're all doing it. 721 00:46:52,930 --> 00:46:57,020 Including you yeah, like it's about it's about culture 722 00:46:57,030 --> 00:47:00,000 creation. It's about like the values of 723 00:47:00,010 --> 00:47:05,160 the Kingdom. And as much as I hate it, it 724 00:47:05,170 --> 00:47:09,620 kind of is what goes around comes around, but not on the 725 00:47:09,630 --> 00:47:11,960 individual. This for that. 726 00:47:12,010 --> 00:47:17,720 If this then that mathematical Ledger equation type rigid 727 00:47:17,790 --> 00:47:20,410 expense, right? If you're, if you're talking 728 00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:24,830 through that idea of, of Jesus speaking, speaking in aphorisms, 729 00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,750 yeah. And, and you know, these little 730 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:32,280 pithy statements that are, that are, are true, like what he's 731 00:47:32,290 --> 00:47:38,910 saying is the less you all as a people judge, the less you will 732 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,970 all receive judgment because no one's doing the judging. 733 00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:44,530 So here's the thing. Here's the thing that we do too 734 00:47:44,540 --> 00:47:48,730 often is we individualize these statements. 735 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,990 Yeah. And I if, if I don't have like, 736 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:55,360 I don't, I, I try not to say like, well, if I have one regret 737 00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:57,960 from the sermon that I preached on Sunday, because that's not my 738 00:47:57,970 --> 00:48:00,830 theology of the sermon. Like it's preached. 739 00:48:00,910 --> 00:48:02,660 God does something. Yeah. 740 00:48:02,710 --> 00:48:04,280 And God's gonna do what he's gonna do with it. 741 00:48:04,290 --> 00:48:06,280 And I go all cool. I just get to sit back and 742 00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:11,830 watch. However, in a different 743 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,890 iteration, if I were to preach this sermon again for our 744 00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:19,310 community next week, let's say same passage. 745 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,320 Different. Take which I really want to try 746 00:48:21,330 --> 00:48:23,570 someday. Yeah, we're like we're gonna do. 747 00:48:23,660 --> 00:48:29,590 This is something that I learned from so in at Princeton, some of 748 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,830 my fellow seminarians, which is weird. 749 00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,650 That's a terrible word. Anyways, some fellow students 750 00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:41,920 who are from the black church like Southern church in the 751 00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:47,940 States, and forgive me if it's not only this community who does 752 00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:51,320 this, but my experience of it was this is something very 753 00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:55,370 specific to the black church in the state that they will have 754 00:48:55,380 --> 00:49:00,520 these days where 7 preachers will get up and preach on the 755 00:49:00,530 --> 00:49:02,380 same passage. That's so. 756 00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:06,100 Cool, I I sat there. I absolutely love it. 757 00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:08,320 I'm sure entirely different sermons. 758 00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:12,350 Wildly different and it like the most encouraging thing you would 759 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,990 think would be like does it drive to like petition and like 760 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:18,870 whose sermon is like just the most beautiful grace filled 761 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,410 encouraging services where you get multiple people hopping up 762 00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:24,660 and I've probably missed anyways. 763 00:49:24,670 --> 00:49:27,510 I've probably missed a whole lot of what it actually is. 764 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,760 But you know, I I would love to like we're going to stay on the 765 00:49:31,770 --> 00:49:35,050 same path for a couple of weeks. If I were to do this again, the 766 00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:42,970 piece that I would draw us back to is Jesus isn't saying to the 767 00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:49,290 individual, yeah, you individual do not judge and you individual, 768 00:49:49,300 --> 00:49:51,910 you will not be judged. He's saying. 769 00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:57,160 He's saying and not judge. That's literally what he says. 770 00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:02,780 May crenate. Stop judging. 771 00:50:02,860 --> 00:50:07,980 Yeah, Do not. Don't do it to the community, OK 772 00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:13,900 Community, don't judge and you should not be judged. 773 00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:15,600 Is actually literally what he says? 774 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,900 Hmm. So you as a community, don't be 775 00:50:18,910 --> 00:50:25,370 a community of judgment, right? So in in all of its shapes and 776 00:50:25,380 --> 00:50:30,640 forms, don't judge one another. But if you're not judging one 777 00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:33,580 another, you're probably not being judged as a community. 778 00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:35,850 Don't be a community that judges other communities. 779 00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:42,480 Teach people how to not judge so that you should not be judged. 780 00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:46,810 Like there there is a way in which I think he's building out 781 00:50:46,820 --> 00:50:53,370 a culture of the Kingdom that teaches don't judge, you should 782 00:50:53,380 --> 00:51:00,310 not be judged because this whole culture is about non judgment. 783 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:07,400 It's one of our fatal flaws as modern Christians that we do to 784 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:11,620 frequently read these passages through the individualistic 785 00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:14,160 lens. And there are certainly times to 786 00:51:14,170 --> 00:51:16,380 do that. And there is always the moment, 787 00:51:16,390 --> 00:51:19,140 as we've said, to look inwardly and introspectively within 788 00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:22,800 yourself. But we cannot lose the the 789 00:51:22,810 --> 00:51:29,460 broader community congregational impact that these teachings are 790 00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:32,560 meant to have for us. It's it's critical. 791 00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:38,960 So like, I do think there's a little bit of just 792 00:51:38,970 --> 00:51:41,220 acknowledgement that we have to give it that we're where we're 793 00:51:41,230 --> 00:51:44,300 saying, yeah, like Jesus saying don't judge and you probably 794 00:51:44,310 --> 00:51:47,560 won't be because you'll become a community that doesn't. 795 00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:48,680 Yeah. So it's true. 796 00:51:48,690 --> 00:51:51,180 It's just true. What it's not doing is that 797 00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:56,380 individual Ledger of yeah, yeah, one to one or person to God. 798 00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:58,540 Like, it's just, there's a lot of different ways that we can 799 00:51:58,590 --> 00:52:03,310 fail in reading this. You know, if I judge somebody, 800 00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,790 am I gonna lose my salvation? Right. 801 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,430 Like was I think actually a question that somebody brought 802 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,450 up at the community Bible study was like, to what degree are we 803 00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:13,190 talking? Here, well, even more for say, 804 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,090 condemnation, like, you know, like you, if I'm receiving 805 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:18,570 condemnation, what if I'm receiving that from God? 806 00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:20,870 That feels pretty severe, right? You know. 807 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,270 Yeah, yeah. Now interestingly the the 808 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,570 condemn is just an extra measure of judgment. 809 00:52:25,620 --> 00:52:28,250 Yeah, right. Like that's the so it's, it's, 810 00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:32,680 it's to judge down. I think technically is it or 811 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:36,620 judge over I'm going to look it up really quick, but anyways 812 00:52:38,180 --> 00:52:43,250 really is talking about yeah to it's to judge down according to 813 00:52:43,260 --> 00:52:46,730 down it it intensifies yet to act as judge. 814 00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:51,030 It feels like a more more external outworking of that 815 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,190 judgment. Yes. 816 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,210 And let's talk about that, right, because that was, I think 817 00:52:54,220 --> 00:52:57,850 that's a really good point. Someone brought up on Wednesday 818 00:52:58,060 --> 00:53:04,640 that the judge is often an inward act, Yeah, that we're 819 00:53:04,650 --> 00:53:07,830 doing in our heart. And then condemning is, is sort 820 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,740 of the outward working of it. And then same, the inverse. 821 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,910 Forgiving often has to start in our hearts because as we said, 822 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,010 we can, you know, forgive people after they've passed away. 823 00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:21,810 We can forgive people that we never have to face, right? 824 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:27,690 Giving is the outward working of of the of what happens when we 825 00:53:27,700 --> 00:53:29,410 have forgiven. Absolutely. 826 00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:34,440 So, yeah, he's saying stop judging, stop condemning, Yeah. 827 00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:37,500 Forgive and give extra measure of grace. 828 00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:39,140 Yeah. Which is where we land with 829 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:41,810 generosity, right. Which is how we ultimately we 830 00:53:41,820 --> 00:53:43,590 landed there. Yeah. 831 00:53:43,690 --> 00:53:45,820 So yeah. I don't, you know, I don't think 832 00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:50,690 it's, I don't think it's Christian karma because what 833 00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,890 Jesus is moving us toward is giving the extra measure of 834 00:53:53,900 --> 00:53:57,080 grace. And we talked about this last 835 00:53:57,090 --> 00:53:59,860 week, but grace is this unmerited favor. 836 00:54:00,250 --> 00:54:11,450 And so Jesus is he is saying to stop, to do, but it's never a 837 00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:16,860 equal measure all the way through, right? 838 00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:20,820 And he says it extra measure will be given so. 839 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,910 That feels like a good place to stop, I think. 840 00:54:24,970 --> 00:54:30,590 And just what a what a awesome passage to unpack and has so 841 00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,690 many great implications for us as a church community and 842 00:54:35,140 --> 00:54:37,880 excited to see how we can live this out. 843 00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:40,730 And I and I hope that this, you know, as we go through this 844 00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:45,240 process that we're not just gaining head knowledge, we're 845 00:54:45,250 --> 00:54:48,030 not just learning about the Greek words and whatnot, but we 846 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,470 are actually saying how can this make a difference? 847 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:54,700 And this is very plain to me. How can we become a community 848 00:54:54,710 --> 00:55:00,300 that are that are known for their forgiveness and generosity 849 00:55:00,470 --> 00:55:04,340 and and less so for their judgment and condemnation. 850 00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:08,260 So however that looks for you, whether you are discussing that 851 00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:12,160 amongst your family, small group, whatever that looks, we 852 00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:15,740 hope that you're able to take these discussions into your 853 00:55:15,750 --> 00:55:20,700 world, into your life and explore how you can really make 854 00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:25,730 them make them real in your in our church community and in your 855 00:55:25,780 --> 00:55:27,520 lives. Have a great week.