1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:04,470 Hey friends, welcome to another episode of our podcast. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:08,230 Thank you for tuning in. We are wrapping up Luke 6 today. 3 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:11,570 So on Sunday preached through the final verses of Luke chapter 4 00:00:11,580 --> 00:00:15,180 6, which are the sermon on the plane, the wrap up to the sermon 5 00:00:15,190 --> 00:00:17,850 on the plane. This was also the wrap up to our 6 00:00:17,860 --> 00:00:22,750 community Bible study. So month long for Wednesdays of 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,840 people gathering to study the Bible, which is just such a on 8 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:31,310 the one hand, such a simple thing to do, but so profound. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,600 Like it was an awesome month. The table leaders did fantastic 10 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:37,840 job. The teaching team did a 11 00:00:37,850 --> 00:00:41,360 fantastic job all the way through. 12 00:00:41,370 --> 00:00:43,460 I loved getting to see this for the first time. 13 00:00:43,530 --> 00:00:47,160 It was a lot of fun and, and just, I, I feel like the, the 14 00:00:47,170 --> 00:00:50,460 flow of these particular passages as well. 15 00:00:50,590 --> 00:00:56,360 There's so much going on with them that it, it lent itself to 16 00:00:56,370 --> 00:01:01,660 just really robust discussion. And, and I'm, yeah, I, I 17 00:01:01,670 --> 00:01:05,120 couldn't, I couldn't be happier. And, and it was just, it was a 18 00:01:05,129 --> 00:01:08,240 lot of fun and, and so glad we were able to do that for, for 19 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:09,650 the sermon on the plane. Yeah. 20 00:01:09,870 --> 00:01:11,620 It was great. I the thing that I found, I 21 00:01:11,630 --> 00:01:14,350 don't know if you found this the week that you preached during 22 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,280 this, the series or during the, the study was we had like we had 23 00:01:19,330 --> 00:01:22,500 all, all of the, so I sat in on some of the teaching teams, some 24 00:01:22,510 --> 00:01:24,580 of the team, not all of the teaching team prep, but some of 25 00:01:24,590 --> 00:01:27,200 that. And then I had all of my own 26 00:01:27,210 --> 00:01:30,260 personal research and study and prayer and time and reading, 27 00:01:30,270 --> 00:01:33,240 etcetera, all of the things. And then we had the Wednesday 28 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:36,620 Bible study and then I preached on Sunday and I'm like, there's 29 00:01:36,630 --> 00:01:42,550 still things there's still stuff to cover and ways in which the 30 00:01:42,630 --> 00:01:47,020 like he was new every time. And I love that about the way 31 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:51,290 Scripture works and the way God uses it is, it is the reason why 32 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:54,730 we say it is alive and active and speaking and continues, not 33 00:01:54,740 --> 00:01:57,660 because of like, you know, every time you read it, maybe you're 34 00:01:57,670 --> 00:01:59,550 going to glean something new yourself from it. 35 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,800 But because actually, like this is the work that the Holy Spirit 36 00:02:01,810 --> 00:02:08,780 does is unveiling these deep, meaningful, important pieces of 37 00:02:08,789 --> 00:02:13,040 truth that like, you can read it over and over and over again and 38 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:15,830 still come back to it fresh. And yeah, that that was my 39 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,600 experience of the study anyways, was. 40 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:18,940 Mine as well. Yeah, yeah. 41 00:02:18,950 --> 00:02:21,080 I was worried I was gonna get to Sunday and be like, well, I have 42 00:02:21,090 --> 00:02:25,060 nothing left to say, which was not the case, especially this 43 00:02:25,070 --> 00:02:27,120 past Sunday when I went too long. 44 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:31,010 Well, but, and you're getting, you're getting different angles 45 00:02:31,020 --> 00:02:34,830 because you're, you're getting like what, what is, what is your 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,710 average congregant kind of wrestling through with the 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,850 passage? What are they confused about? 48 00:02:39,910 --> 00:02:42,130 What are, what are we confused about? 49 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,370 Because if we're confused about it, they're certainly going to 50 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:46,400 be confused about it. Or maybe just glaze over, you 51 00:02:46,410 --> 00:02:50,580 know, and, and you know, it feels like by the end of the 52 00:02:50,590 --> 00:02:55,970 whole process, we're able to, to capture some, but still not all 53 00:02:56,020 --> 00:02:57,270 like. And that's, again, it's, it's 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,000 remarkable just the way that that God's word works in that 55 00:03:00,010 --> 00:03:03,040 way. And, and it's a, it's a, it's so 56 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:05,850 powerful. And, and it was, yeah, it was a 57 00:03:05,860 --> 00:03:07,240 real privilege to be a part of so. 58 00:03:07,310 --> 00:03:09,220 Yeah. So thanks for jumping in on it. 59 00:03:09,230 --> 00:03:14,400 And if you didn't, there will be another chance in the future to 60 00:03:14,410 --> 00:03:17,760 do so. But for now, Luke 6, like I 61 00:03:17,770 --> 00:03:20,420 said, so we're wrapping up. We've got 2. 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:27,490 We put them together, you know, but two mostly related somewhat 63 00:03:27,500 --> 00:03:31,020 different takes on on Jesus wrap up to this sermon. 64 00:03:31,030 --> 00:03:35,470 This is a tree and its fruit. This is house and foundation 65 00:03:36,620 --> 00:03:40,530 fruit being good or bad, houses being hit by storms. 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,160 I added in a couple other examples of trees and fruits and 67 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:50,520 maybe confused the waters by the end. 68 00:03:50,970 --> 00:03:53,640 Did you water your grapefruit? I think it's still in the 69 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:55,720 sanctuary. I think I accidentally left it 70 00:03:55,730 --> 00:03:56,020 there. Oh. 71 00:03:56,030 --> 00:04:01,790 No. Yeah, it needs some help, but I 72 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:03,790 had this plant. So I had an aloe plant. 73 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,590 This is the only plant that I should that I should ever 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,150 purchase, right? Is like desert plants. 75 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,230 So I had an aloe plant at the beginning of the pandemic that 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:18,890 was in my office. And with how the pandemic hit, I 77 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:24,350 ended up just making a, a Home Office that I used for both work 78 00:04:24,420 --> 00:04:28,090 meeting with people over Zoom and also recording for Sunday 79 00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,260 services and things like that. And in my mind, I just thought, 80 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:38,370 you know, everybody else's home. So I like people will I don't 81 00:04:38,380 --> 00:04:41,820 want to perpetuate the feeling necessarily of loss. 82 00:04:41,830 --> 00:04:43,850 Like if I'm like, why do I get to be in the church? 83 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:45,950 They wanna be there, I'm there, they can't be there. 84 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,330 So I'll record from home. And then we're all on an even 85 00:04:48,340 --> 00:04:51,170 playing field kind of thing. But where I'm going with this 86 00:04:51,180 --> 00:04:53,430 story is I left that aloe plant in my office. 87 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,590 For months. No, the entirety of the pandemic 88 00:04:55,900 --> 00:04:59,420 went back like it was like it was there a year and I went back 89 00:04:59,430 --> 00:05:01,470 and that thing was live in its life. 90 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:05,190 It it was not healthy, but it was not dead. 91 00:05:05,250 --> 00:05:07,860 Secretly your wife was like going in and like somebody must 92 00:05:07,870 --> 00:05:10,900 have been watering it like. This poor plant. 93 00:05:11,210 --> 00:05:13,140 Yeah, I wish I knew that. I wish I knew that. 94 00:05:13,150 --> 00:05:17,580 But no, I think it just did it to desert thing and sucked air 95 00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:20,140 out of water out of the air. But no, my grapefruit tree is 96 00:05:20,150 --> 00:05:22,180 probably probably not going to do that. 97 00:05:22,410 --> 00:05:25,780 So maybe maybe that's let's read. 98 00:05:26,390 --> 00:05:28,520 It's not, it's not a super long. I think it's helpful. 99 00:05:28,530 --> 00:05:32,320 Just as a refresher, what translation do you have there? 100 00:05:32,750 --> 00:05:35,430 This week I'm reading from the ESV, right? 101 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,120 So which is? Not usually the translation that 102 00:05:39,130 --> 00:05:41,780 I use. Yeah, and be curious if you 103 00:05:41,790 --> 00:05:44,890 could explain a little bit of the one word in particular that 104 00:05:44,900 --> 00:05:46,140 I'm interested in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 105 00:05:46,150 --> 00:05:51,280 So I have had the ESV and NIV pulled up here, but I'll start 106 00:05:51,290 --> 00:05:52,720 if you want to read the final section. 107 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:56,400 So. So this is from Luke 6, starting 108 00:05:56,410 --> 00:06:00,960 at verse 43. For no good tree bears bad 109 00:06:00,970 --> 00:06:05,650 fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit, for each tree 110 00:06:05,660 --> 00:06:09,550 is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from 111 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:13,550 thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a Bramble Bush. 112 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:17,230 The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces 113 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:22,110 good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil. 114 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,640 For out of the abundance of the heart, his mouth speaks. 115 00:06:27,670 --> 00:06:32,720 Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not do what I tell you? 116 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:35,880 Everyone who comes to me and hears my words and does them, I 117 00:06:35,890 --> 00:06:38,700 will show you what he is like. He is like a man building a 118 00:06:38,710 --> 00:06:42,240 house who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock, and when 119 00:06:42,250 --> 00:06:46,330 a flood arose, the stream broke against that house and could not 120 00:06:46,340 --> 00:06:49,260 shake it because it had been well built. 121 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:53,120 But the one who hears and does not do them is like a man who 122 00:06:53,130 --> 00:06:55,720 built the house on the ground without a foundation. 123 00:06:55,890 --> 00:06:59,490 When the stream broke against it immediately fell, and the ruin 124 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:04,080 of that house was great. Not in a good way. 125 00:07:04,090 --> 00:07:06,390 Grades. Not in a good way, no. 126 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,160 I think literally it says and great was its ruin, which is 127 00:07:11,170 --> 00:07:14,780 just, you know, very dramatic. It is, yeah, yeah, yeah. 128 00:07:15,050 --> 00:07:20,480 So maybe maybe this won't take long at least maybe not is I am 129 00:07:20,490 --> 00:07:24,320 curious like you, you chose the NIV or sorry the ESV versus the 130 00:07:24,330 --> 00:07:28,290 NIV which we typically will preach from and and you said it 131 00:07:28,300 --> 00:07:30,850 was really centred around a particular word. 132 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,790 So what was that for you? Yeah, for sure. 133 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,990 So, you know, like, I think it's worth saying that, you know, we 134 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,240 were talking about this a little bit off camera, but like one of 135 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:44,520 one of my, you know, one of my hang ups with the SUV. 136 00:07:44,530 --> 00:07:47,260 I think in in many ways it's it's very literal translation 137 00:07:47,530 --> 00:07:48,960 which may. Can be good. 138 00:07:49,010 --> 00:07:53,580 Yeah, I like it for preaching for that reason. 139 00:07:53,850 --> 00:07:55,910 It's clunky to read. Clunky. 140 00:07:55,950 --> 00:08:00,320 So if you're looking for a readable translation, I don't 141 00:08:00,330 --> 00:08:03,160 think this is it. Like the NIV reads better, the 142 00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:07,040 NLT reads better. Both translations that I have 143 00:08:07,110 --> 00:08:10,880 and will continue to preach from, I read, have always 144 00:08:10,890 --> 00:08:14,380 through my entire life, read most from the NIV and then I'll 145 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,560 switch for a reason or a purpose, and then I find myself 146 00:08:17,570 --> 00:08:19,680 going back to the NIV. So whether that's just habit and 147 00:08:19,690 --> 00:08:22,040 that's what I'm used to and what I'm comfortable with, that's to 148 00:08:22,050 --> 00:08:25,490 be discussed. But certainly this is not the 149 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:32,100 the the best readers version. What I would say the one word, 150 00:08:32,110 --> 00:08:37,970 though, that I really wanted to, um, yeah, be it hammer home or 151 00:08:37,980 --> 00:08:44,820 be crystal clear on is where Jesus says out of the treasure 152 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,290 of a person's heart. Good treasure. 153 00:08:48,300 --> 00:08:49,320 Evil treasure. Uh huh. 154 00:08:49,330 --> 00:08:51,470 Yeah. So so in verse 45, the good 155 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:56,250 person out of the good treasure of their heart produces good. 156 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,840 And you have the NIV up there. So can you read that verse? 157 00:08:58,850 --> 00:09:04,810 There, so it says, a good man brings good things out of the 158 00:09:04,820 --> 00:09:09,670 good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings out brings 159 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:13,810 evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. 160 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,790 So right off the hop, obviously we're not talking about men 161 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,890 exclusively here. This is gendered language, but 162 00:09:21,900 --> 00:09:25,090 it's it's referring to all of humanity. 163 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:30,430 So that's one. But mainly the difference that I 164 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,630 wanted to tease out is exactly what's lacking in the NIV. 165 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:40,510 So the the good stored up in his heart and this language around 166 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,480 treasure which is again like this is literal translation 167 00:09:45,490 --> 00:09:49,300 thesaurus treasury. It does mean storehouse so I get 168 00:09:49,310 --> 00:09:54,360 why they go stored up but. It's inference rather than. 169 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:55,890 Yeah, yeah. What's a more literal 170 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:59,660 translation for For me, the main point that I was making at this 171 00:09:59,850 --> 00:10:04,220 moment in the sermon was the difference between just 172 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:09,100 thinking, oh, if I input enough good into my life, then good 173 00:10:09,110 --> 00:10:12,620 will flow out. And like, that might be true to 174 00:10:12,630 --> 00:10:15,440 some degree. Like you are the what you 175 00:10:15,450 --> 00:10:22,830 consume in forms, shapes, and does ultimately control even who 176 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,730 you are and who you become and what you output. 177 00:10:24,740 --> 00:10:28,750 There is truth to that. But that's not what Jesus is 178 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,670 saying here. He's not saying do enough good, 179 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:38,250 or, you know, be around enough good or input enough good so 180 00:10:38,260 --> 00:10:40,830 that you can then do good or be good or become good. 181 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,290 Yes. He's not creating this structure 182 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:47,990 whereby we input what we need so that we can output what is good. 183 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,330 We input what is bad and therefore we output what is bad. 184 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:56,600 What he's saying is what you treasure in your heart. 185 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:59,420 And on Wednesday, on Sunday a little bit, I talked about that 186 00:10:59,430 --> 00:11:04,280 the heart in Jesus Day is not just like the thump, thump organ 187 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:07,460 in your chest. This is your like the core of 188 00:11:07,470 --> 00:11:10,720 all of how you make decisions. It is your being. 189 00:11:10,730 --> 00:11:13,980 Your will centred, your will. Yeah, your will, your. 190 00:11:13,990 --> 00:11:17,260 Desires, your thoughts, your emotions, your feelings, all of 191 00:11:17,270 --> 00:11:23,120 it is is described as heart. So Jesus is saying here what 192 00:11:23,130 --> 00:11:30,930 your heart treasures will determine how you live your life 193 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,290 that output and. We which makes it a little less 194 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:36,350 about like Doo Doo Doo. Exactly. 195 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,530 Right, because it, it's saying like, hey, whatever, whatever, 196 00:11:39,540 --> 00:11:42,430 you know, like I and I do like the, the, the word abundance 197 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:47,050 there for, for out of the abundance of the heart, the over 198 00:11:47,060 --> 00:11:51,130 whatever spills out of your heart, the treasure there, it'll 199 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:54,450 be good or evil because it's what your heart is, is full of, 200 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:55,720 because of what you filled it with. 201 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,690 In some ways, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 202 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:04,490 And the, yeah, the piece that I really wanted to avoid was just 203 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:07,970 somebody walking away thinking, OK, if I if I store up enough 204 00:12:07,980 --> 00:12:14,050 good, hmm, then I will be good. You know, it's this isn't. 205 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,950 Yeah, I don't know. You know those old, old school 206 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,770 video games where you're like top down looking like we all 207 00:12:20,780 --> 00:12:23,030 played them instead of like doing computer like typing 208 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,210 classes and stuff where you're just like you mine for stuff. 209 00:12:26,220 --> 00:12:28,650 Then you can build this and then you can build that and then you 210 00:12:28,660 --> 00:12:31,350 sell this and the money and like my world conquers your world. 211 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,820 What was that? You know that doesn't. 212 00:12:32,830 --> 00:12:35,790 Matter command and. That's the one I'm thinking of. 213 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:42,540 I think it's like is this isn't like a matter of of going around 214 00:12:42,550 --> 00:12:47,700 collecting enough good, hmm and hiding it away so that you can, 215 00:12:47,770 --> 00:12:52,060 you know, eventually have enough good to buy your way into the 216 00:12:52,070 --> 00:12:55,000 Kingdom kinda. And like that's a really simple, 217 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,300 you know, reading of it. It's also very specific reading 218 00:12:59,310 --> 00:13:05,170 of it, but I just in my preaching, I wanted to lean us 219 00:13:05,560 --> 00:13:08,050 as far away from that as possible. 220 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,570 Yeah. And also capture what I think 221 00:13:11,740 --> 00:13:15,330 isn't just. So what this is also not is an 222 00:13:15,340 --> 00:13:19,250 ascent of knowledge, right? It's not just intellectual 223 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:25,190 ascent toward goodness. It's not if I, you know, if I 224 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:29,310 think good thoughts, if I learn what is right and true and good 225 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,590 and noble and lovely, then I will become that is right and 226 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,310 true and good and noble and lovely. 227 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,220 Like I think if, if our denomination actually, so, you 228 00:13:38,230 --> 00:13:40,210 know, we're part of the Presbyterian Church in Canada. 229 00:13:40,220 --> 00:13:42,790 We say like we're small P We have people from all over the 230 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,330 Christian world and we have people coming in who have no 231 00:13:45,340 --> 00:13:47,340 Christian experience. So fantastic. 232 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:51,880 That's the way it should be. But, you know, I think if there 233 00:13:51,890 --> 00:13:55,800 is a cultural sin, if I could put it that way, of our 234 00:13:55,810 --> 00:14:00,180 denomination historically, it's like an intellectual, spiritual, 235 00:14:00,190 --> 00:14:01,740 intellectual arrogance. Yeah. 236 00:14:02,090 --> 00:14:05,400 That says to know something is to be transformed by it. 237 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:11,280 And we just, we know, we by experience that to know 238 00:14:11,290 --> 00:14:13,800 something in your head does not mean that it's gotten into your 239 00:14:13,810 --> 00:14:16,940 heart. And to know it and to know that 240 00:14:16,950 --> 00:14:21,440 it's right and good and true is not also to treasure it right. 241 00:14:21,510 --> 00:14:26,200 To treasure it is to pursue it, is to desire it is to allow it 242 00:14:26,210 --> 00:14:29,650 to shape your wants and your desires and your feelings, your 243 00:14:29,660 --> 00:14:34,100 emotions, the core centre of who you are, and to want for it 244 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:39,550 above other things. It is is treasuring life inside 245 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,100 the Kingdom and Jesus and his love and who he is and who he's 246 00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:46,110 making you to be. And that's far more compelling 247 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:51,880 to me than know the right thing, become the right person. 248 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:54,880 And like not knowledge can be powerful. 249 00:14:54,890 --> 00:14:58,820 Knowledge is is good. It's not, it's not dismissing 250 00:14:58,830 --> 00:15:04,260 that, but it is it is an incomplete picture of what Jesus 251 00:15:04,270 --> 00:15:09,700 is inviting us into here. And and you, you cannot attain, 252 00:15:09,850 --> 00:15:12,640 in some ways I think Jesus would be saying here, you cannot 253 00:15:12,650 --> 00:15:15,270 attain the good life on that alone. 254 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,390 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, nor, nor is that gonna be 255 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,800 the starting point for everybody. 256 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,150 Hmm. Right. 257 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,550 So I, I worked at a camp for a number of years and the camp 258 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,790 doesn't matter, but they had a slogan and the desire for all 259 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,170 the staff. I think it was, it was something 260 00:15:31,180 --> 00:15:34,780 like knowing, being, doing. And this idea was like, you 261 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:37,200 know, and then you be and then you do. 262 00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:40,400 And I go for so many of us, that's backwards. 263 00:15:40,530 --> 00:15:43,340 Hmm, right. I need to do my way into knowing 264 00:15:43,350 --> 00:15:45,250 sometimes. Most times, in fact. 265 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:48,870 Yeah. Right, we just to know something 266 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,110 does not necessarily mean that you will become something does 267 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,400 not necessarily mean that you will do something. 268 00:15:54,450 --> 00:15:56,760 It might for some people be that that order. 269 00:15:57,630 --> 00:16:00,820 So Jesus isn't saying know something first, because what 270 00:16:00,830 --> 00:16:03,690 does he say? He says come follow me, come be 271 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:10,630 with me and watch. And in the being with in the in 272 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:14,910 the doing, in fact, the disciples begin to know and 273 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,360 discover who Jesus is. And they're called into greater 274 00:16:17,370 --> 00:16:19,380 doing and greater being, greater becoming. 275 00:16:19,390 --> 00:16:21,240 They change isn't shapes who they are. 276 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:26,620 But that first call is not hey, sit down and let me tell you who 277 00:16:26,630 --> 00:16:29,330 I am, and then you'll want to follow me. 278 00:16:29,410 --> 00:16:31,780 And in fact, he seems to avoid that quite often. 279 00:16:31,790 --> 00:16:39,020 Jesus, you know, he's, he's very, very conservative in his, 280 00:16:39,390 --> 00:16:44,630 you know, in his revealing of, of all the specifics and details 281 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:50,120 of who he is and, and why God the Father has him doing what 282 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:52,770 he's doing. And, and so I think that's a 283 00:16:52,780 --> 00:16:55,410 good, that, that's a good way to think about that is that Jesus 284 00:16:55,420 --> 00:16:59,890 doesn't come in and just unload a bunch of information like, you 285 00:16:59,900 --> 00:17:05,690 know, which is, you know, I think a good, a good seminary 286 00:17:05,700 --> 00:17:10,280 experience for a pastor should not just be unloading a bunch of 287 00:17:10,290 --> 00:17:13,369 information. It there should be a a spiritual 288 00:17:13,470 --> 00:17:17,380 formation components to it. There should be a hey, if you, 289 00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:21,359 if you can learn all of this information and still be a 290 00:17:21,369 --> 00:17:26,680 rotten bastard, you know, like. Well, and, and listen, like I, I 291 00:17:26,690 --> 00:17:30,120 know people who came out of seminary with no faith, right? 292 00:17:30,170 --> 00:17:35,060 So, so technically knew all of the things and walked away with 293 00:17:35,070 --> 00:17:44,830 less, less of a life giving alive faith in Jesus than when 294 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,600 they started. And that's a, that's a, you 295 00:17:46,610 --> 00:17:51,110 know, that's a sad thing for for me to reflect on now. 296 00:17:51,590 --> 00:17:53,820 So, yeah. So, OK, so just to answer your 297 00:17:53,830 --> 00:17:59,970 question, to loop back around ESV for this week, largely 298 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:04,290 because I could have done the work to get us from Storehouse 299 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:10,220 to treasure. But I do find that sometimes 300 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:12,850 that works and sometimes that's interesting and you can take 301 00:18:12,860 --> 00:18:15,930 people along for that ride. And sometimes I just wanna get 302 00:18:15,940 --> 00:18:17,120 there. Yep, faster. 303 00:18:17,130 --> 00:18:18,980 That makes. And if I can use a different 304 00:18:18,990 --> 00:18:21,540 translation to do that, then I'll do that. 305 00:18:21,550 --> 00:18:24,680 Yeah, but that was the main reason. 306 00:18:24,750 --> 00:18:29,000 We were talking about one day we'll do a little bit of a, you 307 00:18:29,010 --> 00:18:33,880 know, separate podcast about topics like Bible translations 308 00:18:33,890 --> 00:18:36,320 and, and that could be a lot of fun. 309 00:18:36,330 --> 00:18:38,640 Cause even, you know, when we look at our community Bible 310 00:18:38,650 --> 00:18:44,460 study, we used the NRSV for that and, and our, and the new 311 00:18:44,470 --> 00:18:47,360 Revised standard version that's safer. 312 00:18:47,370 --> 00:18:49,740 Yeah. Is that's considered like the 313 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:53,840 classic inductive Bible study. That's what you use when you do 314 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:56,490 that kind of work. It's it's It's considered the 315 00:18:56,500 --> 00:19:00,420 academic English translation. So if you're not working in 316 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:05,300 Greek or Hebrew, the expectation in many academic settings is 317 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:08,300 that you use NRSV. So much so can I like personal 318 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:12,740 grape here for a second and I've told you this story. 319 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:16,640 I think when I was in undergrad I lost, I think it was like a 320 00:19:16,650 --> 00:19:20,910 full letter grade on a paper because I used the NIV and not 321 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:21,940 the NRS. File. 322 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:23,580 Unbelievable. Yeah. 323 00:19:23,650 --> 00:19:27,840 Not the content of the paper. This was like theology class and 324 00:19:27,910 --> 00:19:30,000 you know my profits. Like you should have known that 325 00:19:30,010 --> 00:19:34,120 the NIV is not an academic translation and RSV is the only 326 00:19:34,130 --> 00:19:36,420 acceptable academic translation. I was like, well you're the Prof 327 00:19:36,430 --> 00:19:38,300 dude. So if I didn't know something, I 328 00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:41,830 didn't say that I was not, I was not that bold in undergrad. 329 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:46,810 But yeah, I still, I still Remember, Remember that just to 330 00:19:46,820 --> 00:19:51,060 to this day, this was a this is a, this is a brilliant, loving 331 00:19:52,690 --> 00:19:57,900 and and also very specific theology professor who I had 332 00:19:58,850 --> 00:20:01,780 during my undergrad who had made the migration, I think he had 333 00:20:01,790 --> 00:20:04,080 made the migration from evangelical all the way to 334 00:20:04,090 --> 00:20:05,090 Catholic. Oh, wow. 335 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:05,450 OK. Yeah. 336 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:08,340 It was kind of his faith. So really fascinating deep 337 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:12,220 spiritual journey. And so, you know, those are 338 00:20:12,230 --> 00:20:13,160 people who you just. Yeah. 339 00:20:13,170 --> 00:20:16,220 OK, I'll listen and figure it out. 340 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:19,020 I'll do better next time. But it would be a lot of fun to 341 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:21,540 kind of talk through like, why is that the case? 342 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:25,240 And does that mean these particular, these other 343 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:28,130 translations are, are lesser, you know, and if you open up, if 344 00:20:28,140 --> 00:20:31,670 you ever use like the Bible app, like on your phone or tablet or 345 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,340 whatever, when you pull it up here, I could, you know, I 346 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:39,460 could, we'd be here for an hour trying to count all these like, 347 00:20:39,470 --> 00:20:41,300 it's wild, right? And so like, what's what's going 348 00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:43,720 on there? Be fun to explore that and, and, 349 00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:47,530 and talk through, you know, you know, even just simply to say 350 00:20:47,540 --> 00:20:50,140 like sometimes it's just different tools in the belt, 351 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:54,540 right, That there are strengths and weaknesses to to certain 352 00:20:54,550 --> 00:20:58,300 translations, because translating from Greek and 353 00:20:58,310 --> 00:21:01,720 Hebrew and Aramaic is difficult. Yep. 354 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:05,430 Yeah, yeah, and absolutely. So I think a tool tool and a 355 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,130 tool belt is exactly the reason why I flipped this week and 356 00:21:08,140 --> 00:21:09,770 we'll see where I go for next Sunday. 357 00:21:09,780 --> 00:21:11,970 I think we're we're back in NIV next Sunday, so. 358 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:15,580 Great. All right, so why don't we talk 359 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:23,260 a little bit about this latter section on on this, this little 360 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:29,990 parable, this little metaphor that Jesus uses of Jesus sort of 361 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,270 summarizing his teachings. Everyone who hears my words and 362 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,020 does them. So everyone who I want to start, 363 00:21:36,030 --> 00:21:39,040 I missed the first step. Everyone who comes to me, here's 364 00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:42,310 my words and does them. I will show you what he's like. 365 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,510 He is like a man building a house who dug deep and laid the 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:53,280 foundation on the rock. I think there's some questions 367 00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:59,240 that that are worth asking about the like The Who and the what 368 00:21:59,250 --> 00:22:04,290 of, of the metaphor, right? Because it can be a little 369 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:08,130 unclear sometimes, you know, and, and so when we look at the 370 00:22:08,140 --> 00:22:14,500 foundation, the foundation is, is what everything else is built 371 00:22:14,510 --> 00:22:18,620 upon, right? So it is, it is crucial and it 372 00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:23,560 is the reason why this house, when the floods arise, do does 373 00:22:23,570 --> 00:22:26,980 not get swept away and why the other house does get swept away. 374 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:31,540 So what is precisely the foundation? 375 00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:38,560 Yeah. So there, there's, there's I 376 00:22:38,570 --> 00:22:41,380 think there's probably a couple different ways of, of reading 377 00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:46,200 this or understanding it. I think the easy so like the 378 00:22:46,210 --> 00:22:49,040 Sunday school answer is like, well, Jesus is the foundation. 379 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,810 Yeah. But if we look, there's, there's 380 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:54,890 a couple different comparisons that I think are are worth 381 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:57,290 pointing out there a couple of differences in the comparison. 382 00:22:58,410 --> 00:23:01,500 So in 48 he is like a man building a house who dug deep 383 00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:03,990 and laid the foundation on the rock. 384 00:23:05,150 --> 00:23:08,480 OK. And then if we jump down in 40, 385 00:23:08,490 --> 00:23:12,800 the latter part of 49, like a man who built a house on the 386 00:23:12,810 --> 00:23:16,480 ground without a foundation. Hmm. 387 00:23:17,290 --> 00:23:19,510 So there's multiple things happening. 388 00:23:19,790 --> 00:23:22,690 Hmm. So there's no foundation and 389 00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:26,050 there's so there's a found in the in the good house or what 390 00:23:26,060 --> 00:23:28,570 we're assuming at this point, good house, right? 391 00:23:28,580 --> 00:23:32,610 The Wise builder in In other iterations of this story, the 392 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:36,730 wise builder builds. There's a foundation on a rock 393 00:23:37,570 --> 00:23:42,620 and the person, the second person is, there's no foundation 394 00:23:43,260 --> 00:23:45,490 and it's not on the rock, it's on the ground. 395 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:47,260 So there's multiple differences, yeah. 396 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:54,170 So, uh, you know, I think in, in part we can, we can extend that 397 00:23:54,180 --> 00:23:59,600 and think through Jesus elsewhere is called cornerstone, 398 00:23:59,610 --> 00:24:04,700 the cornerstone that referred to as the cornerstone in the New 399 00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:07,300 Testament. And so is, is Jesus the 400 00:24:07,310 --> 00:24:10,180 cornerstone of the foundation? Is he the rock? 401 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:14,240 Is he the foundation? I think for my just the simple 402 00:24:14,250 --> 00:24:22,440 reading of this is, you know, I I think of Jesus life inside the 403 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:25,800 Kingdom because we haven't gone deep down this. 404 00:24:27,530 --> 00:24:30,990 It's not a rabbit trail, but this direction. 405 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:39,270 Yet you can't talk about Jesus without talking about the 406 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,260 Kingdom of God, and you can't talk about the Kingdom of God 407 00:24:42,270 --> 00:24:46,810 without talking about Jesus. So much so that it's not really 408 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:52,690 even correct to talk about Jesus and the Kingdom. 409 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,010 Jesus is the Kingdom. Right. 410 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:58,650 Yeah, they're inseparable. Jesus, like his arrival is the 411 00:24:58,660 --> 00:25:02,810 kingdom's arrival, His teaching is the Kingdom, his death, his 412 00:25:02,820 --> 00:25:05,180 resurrection. This is the Kingdom of God 413 00:25:05,190 --> 00:25:08,450 breaking into the world. So to say, you know, Jesus and 414 00:25:08,460 --> 00:25:13,550 Kingdom as separate is to miss a lot of what's going on. 415 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:20,030 So I think you know the rock Jesus, Kingdom of God, this is 416 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:27,670 to have their foundation rooted or resting where it ought to 417 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,650 rest. A foundation ought to rest on 418 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:30,970 the rock. I mean, I understand that you 419 00:25:30,980 --> 00:25:33,870 can dig down past the frost line, pour concrete, make our 420 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,270 own rocks. Like understand that much like 421 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,330 my deck that I built an extension on my deck and like 422 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,060 every day for a few days after I was like, I just went out with 423 00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:44,630 my big 6 foot level and I was like, is it sunk yet? 424 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,530 Like did I go deep enough and is it solid? 425 00:25:48,140 --> 00:25:53,650 So I think rock is Jesus, its Kingdom. 426 00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:56,610 It is the right place for a foundation and the right place 427 00:25:56,620 --> 00:26:02,330 for a foundation we believe is is is squarely Kingdom of God, 428 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,430 Jesus, the builders building a foundation. 429 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,170 So Jesus can't be the foundation like the builder places the 430 00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,870 foundation. I know all metaphors fall apart 431 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,870 at some point and fail, but I think Jesus has already 432 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,890 described what the foundation is. 433 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:22,850 Then if we back up, so everyone who comes to me, everyone who 434 00:26:22,860 --> 00:26:26,010 hears my words, everyone who does them. 435 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,570 So just like it's, you know, just like we can't talk about 436 00:26:29,660 --> 00:26:32,350 Jesus as separate from the Kingdom or the the Kingdom as 437 00:26:32,360 --> 00:26:36,150 existing without Jesus separate from Jesus, the foundation here 438 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:40,220 can't be, well, it's just good works, right? 439 00:26:40,230 --> 00:26:42,460 It's just doing the things that Jesus says. 440 00:26:43,210 --> 00:26:46,280 You've heard all. Now go and do and and. 441 00:26:46,290 --> 00:26:47,560 That's And that's your foundation? 442 00:26:47,570 --> 00:26:50,990 Yeah. No, the foundation is first 443 00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:52,960 coming to Jesus. Abiding. 444 00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:57,600 Abiding, being with Jesus, allowing him to transform who 445 00:26:57,610 --> 00:26:59,400 you are. Right. 446 00:26:59,510 --> 00:27:01,720 Hearing the words of Jesus again. 447 00:27:01,730 --> 00:27:04,930 Hear the the. I think the language points us 448 00:27:04,940 --> 00:27:08,930 in a different direction than simply like, oh, I heard what 449 00:27:08,940 --> 00:27:11,540 you said. No, this is deep. 450 00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:15,120 Listening, absorbing. I've heard. 451 00:27:15,130 --> 00:27:17,180 OK, I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. 452 00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:18,200 Yeah, I'm gonna. Change. 453 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:20,260 I was hearing you before, now I hear you. 454 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:22,300 Like there's a different layer. Yeah, yeah. 455 00:27:22,340 --> 00:27:28,240 So come to Jesus, abide, rest, be with Jesus, hear him, really 456 00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:31,480 hear him, Allow his words, allow his teaching, allow who he is to 457 00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:34,200 transform your heart and your mind. 458 00:27:34,610 --> 00:27:40,700 Your the the core of who you are, all of it and then live out 459 00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:44,580 of the overflow of who that who you are becoming right of of 460 00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:49,690 that that relationship. So that's the foundation and 461 00:27:49,700 --> 00:27:54,480 that's the foundation being placed on a rock on Jesus 462 00:27:54,490 --> 00:27:57,280 squarely inside the Kingdom. So again, like I said, all 463 00:27:57,290 --> 00:28:00,250 metaphors fall apart and you can stretch this one, I'm sure, to 464 00:28:00,260 --> 00:28:03,160 breaking. But I think really what Jesus is 465 00:28:03,170 --> 00:28:07,450 saying is it's the it's the he's reminding the disciples of that 466 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:10,130 first call. Come follow me and I will teach 467 00:28:10,140 --> 00:28:13,910 you to fish for people, right? Come follow me. 468 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,190 I'm not gonna make you a tax collector of people, but like, 469 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,410 come follow me, learn from me. Watch. 470 00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:22,920 How so? Eugene Peterson's translation of 471 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:27,910 that, the passage in Matthew where Jesus has come to me. 472 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,970 All you who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest. 473 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:35,580 Eugene Peterson translates that. Hey, if you're tired, if you're 474 00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:37,250 worn out, burned out on religion, come to me. 475 00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:39,500 Get away with me. He says, Watch how I do it. 476 00:28:39,860 --> 00:28:42,570 I won't lay anything heavy or ill fitting on you. 477 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,190 Learn the unforced rhythms of grace and you will learn to live 478 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,980 freely and lightly. So that's that's the invitation 479 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:50,150 of Jesus. Come get away with me. 480 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,110 Watch how I do it. You're going to learn to live 481 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,530 like me. You're going to learn to live 482 00:28:54,540 --> 00:28:57,230 freely and lightly. He's I'm not gonna lay anything 483 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,750 heavy or ill fitting. But there will be things for you 484 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,270 to do. There will be life for you to 485 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,330 live. Yeah, but it will fit. 486 00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:05,710 It will be well fitting. Like hand in glove. 487 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,230 Like a baseball glove that's been well worn, soaked in hot 488 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,770 water and then tied around a baseball overnight and used for 489 00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:15,390 a couple of years. Like is that what you do is? 490 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,020 Yeah, that's how you do it, you know, Yeah. 491 00:29:17,030 --> 00:29:19,470 You soak in hot water, you put it around like a softball or 492 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,200 something a bit bigger and then tie it up real tight. 493 00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:26,490 And then, Yep, back when you had like 4 poster beds with like the 494 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:29,530 ball on the top that you put tie it around the the, the bedpost 495 00:29:29,540 --> 00:29:30,110 in. So it's cool. 496 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,800 Use that yeah, but this is the invitation of Jesus is to to 497 00:29:34,810 --> 00:29:39,300 life lived. That is well fitting and I think 498 00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:41,810 that's really when you start OK, what is rock with his 499 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,100 foundation? Where do they meet? 500 00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:44,470 What is like, how do you just put that? 501 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,120 That's what Jesus is talking about here is that invitation. 502 00:29:48,300 --> 00:29:53,790 So I could imagine that there are different, you know, folks 503 00:29:53,800 --> 00:30:00,990 at different places in their spiritual formation, some who, 504 00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:05,640 for better or worse, they, they just, they just wanna do, they 505 00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:06,980 just like, maybe maybe that's their best. 506 00:30:06,990 --> 00:30:09,180 They just like to serve. They just like to, you know, 507 00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:11,960 whether it's in their church or whether it's, you know, they can 508 00:30:11,970 --> 00:30:15,050 very clearly see these are the actionable things that Jesus has 509 00:30:15,060 --> 00:30:16,660 called me to do. I can do that. 510 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:20,640 I've got money, I can give, I've got, I've got time, I can, I can 511 00:30:20,650 --> 00:30:23,140 serve, I can do all these different things. 512 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:25,220 And that's what Jesus calls me to do. 513 00:30:25,230 --> 00:30:27,780 Like so you got someone who's who's more in that, but they 514 00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:32,080 really are wrestling with with sort of the abiding piece of it 515 00:30:32,090 --> 00:30:35,470 to just be with Jesus, to hear Jesus right. 516 00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:39,030 And then you have others who are maybe a little bit on this. 517 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,360 They're more like, they're a little bit more contemplative. 518 00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:45,470 They they like to, you know, they like to journal, they like 519 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,650 to write, but they struggle on the action piece. 520 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,370 How do we and I, I don't always like the word balance because 521 00:30:54,380 --> 00:30:57,530 it's it's it balances A myth. And also sometimes it's balance 522 00:30:57,540 --> 00:31:02,580 isn't the thing that we're, that we want here, but how do we, how 523 00:31:02,590 --> 00:31:07,100 do we maybe correct? Cause I highly doubt any of us 524 00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:12,160 are, are like perfectly aligned in all these areas like that, 525 00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:15,020 that I, I highly doubt that, that there's anyone in our 526 00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:20,940 church who have found the, the perfect regimen of, of abiding, 527 00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:24,020 listening, being and doing right. 528 00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,920 So how do we, how do we think about that? 529 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:30,080 How do we approach that? Uh, yeah. 530 00:31:30,090 --> 00:31:33,640 This, this, I think this is a, I think if we could solve this 531 00:31:33,650 --> 00:31:36,240 question, you could maybe package it. 532 00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:41,840 And anyways, I, so I think, I think there are two angles of 533 00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:45,130 approach here. The first is just to say that 534 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:50,130 each of us is going to have a bent toward one or the other, 535 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,250 right? Like. 536 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:54,570 Like Mary and Martha with Jesus. Absolutely right. 537 00:31:54,580 --> 00:31:57,090 Yeah. So, so to think about it and 538 00:31:57,100 --> 00:31:59,730 you're not suggesting this, I know you're not suggesting this. 539 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,370 To think about it though as purely an individual pursuit 540 00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,730 would be, I think to fail right off the hop. 541 00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:12,710 So we just need to realize like the Christian life is a life of 542 00:32:12,780 --> 00:32:17,600 and in community. Yeah, so you need to find your 543 00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:21,940 place into a community. And there are like we got, we 544 00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:27,420 got guys who come on Thursday and they, there's a shop, 545 00:32:27,430 --> 00:32:29,720 there's a workshop in this building. 546 00:32:29,790 --> 00:32:32,540 They're like there's a table saw, there's a drill press. 547 00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:36,520 Yeah, shouldn't give away all these secrets, but we have guys 548 00:32:36,530 --> 00:32:42,630 who come and they are building, they are fixing, they are 549 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:50,050 maintaining, They are that like and the the joy that there is in 550 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:52,990 doing those things is a is a wonderful gift. 551 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,330 Yeah, I think to each other, to the church, to our community, it 552 00:32:56,340 --> 00:33:00,150 is amazing. And you know that may that may 553 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,050 continue forever and it may not. It may have a season. 554 00:33:03,060 --> 00:33:06,750 I don't know, You know, Punch, those guys are getting their 555 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:07,910 knees replaced. Yeah. 556 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,040 They're still here. Like faithfully working. 557 00:33:10,050 --> 00:33:11,690 Yeah. And I genuinely believe it's 558 00:33:11,700 --> 00:33:16,950 because they love doing it and they love the community of it 559 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:21,250 and the conversation. And, you know, I should mention 560 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:23,390 there are also, there are other groups of people in the building 561 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,130 at the same time doing various things around. 562 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:30,230 So we have a lot of, we have a lot of people who love to jump 563 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,090 in and. Grateful for those guys that 564 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,500 like they are the, they are the doers in many ways, absolutely. 565 00:33:36,510 --> 00:33:40,950 And we and we need them. Yeah, but but not everybody is 566 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:50,670 gonna find that outpouring, um, life giving to the same degree 567 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,450 as as this current group of guys. 568 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:57,250 For those listening just on podcast, I'm raising. 569 00:33:57,260 --> 00:34:00,370 My hand. Is yeah, because that's me. 570 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:01,430 Right. Yeah. 571 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,710 So, you know, like I think that's the best place to begin 572 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,090 with. This is just to say that at the 573 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:14,150 same time as we have that group going on, there have also been 574 00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:18,610 groups of people putting together stations like prayer 575 00:34:18,620 --> 00:34:24,530 stations and prayer rooms and thinking and praying through how 576 00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:27,610 we can encourage people into silence and solitude and 577 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:30,889 contemplative prayer. And especially around Easter and 578 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:36,380 Christmas and at moments where where we want to encourage 579 00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:38,719 people in that direction. Like we have people who are 580 00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:43,830 very, very gifted in doing that. I say doing, but in leading that 581 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,860 charge as well. And as a church, I'm like, we 582 00:34:47,870 --> 00:34:52,239 need all of us. So I think, you know, be OK with 583 00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:55,460 who God has created you to be and be OK that you'll probably 584 00:34:55,469 --> 00:34:57,060 have a bent toward one or the other. 585 00:34:58,670 --> 00:35:04,300 But I, you know, I think at the same time, like if you're doing 586 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,680 to exhaustion and you're just burnt out and you're starting to 587 00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:09,020 become bitter and you're like, I'm the only one, Like it's the 588 00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:11,520 same people all the time. And why is it me? 589 00:35:11,530 --> 00:35:16,220 And like, I'd really rather like listen to that as well and don't 590 00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:22,350 let that kind of creep in the to to the person though. 591 00:35:22,590 --> 00:35:25,410 Let me really answer your question to the person who wants 592 00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:27,590 to try to shift where they're at. 593 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:34,820 A I think we like the doing. We like just easy steps because 594 00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:36,930 they're like, I can do those. Very concrete. 595 00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:41,540 ABC, I can do that. A + B = C that's a math I can do 596 00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:47,520 and we like that. So I think one of the things 597 00:35:47,530 --> 00:35:50,760 that I've tried to do and I don't know, I know where I 598 00:35:50,770 --> 00:35:52,400 picked. I friend of mine uses this 599 00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:54,460 language. I don't know where he picked it 600 00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:59,140 up, but like, gamify some of the things that you want to do. 601 00:35:59,420 --> 00:36:00,870 Yeah. So if you've got a, if you got a 602 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:08,590 bent toward doing things, then then schedule like make the 603 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:11,810 silence and the solitude and the contemplation, like gamify it a 604 00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:15,100 little bit, right? You know, even just write 605 00:36:15,110 --> 00:36:19,260 yourself A to do list. There there are. 606 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:28,890 I do think that human beings are naturally wired to to need 607 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:33,670 silence and solitude, but I think we at the same time are 608 00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:36,700 bent away from it. We we shy away from it. 609 00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:38,150 There's a. We don't need to go into all the 610 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:46,280 reasons why, but the I, I do think that if, if you are prone 611 00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:53,290 to doing, then use that strength and kind of schedule some of the 612 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:57,800 being and sitting and it's going to be awkward at 1st and it's 613 00:36:57,810 --> 00:37:00,450 gonna be hard, but schedule it in. 614 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,710 I could imagine, I could imagine for some folks it, it could 615 00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:13,770 feel, it could feel like a, a just a rote sort of tradition. 616 00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:17,500 If you if you schedule it. However I think it's there's 617 00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:19,270 actually still wisdom in it, right? 618 00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:23,550 Because if, if you are, if you, for those of you who are wired 619 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,880 that way, you may just need that to actually carve out the time, 620 00:37:27,930 --> 00:37:30,040 right? And there's always going to be a 621 00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:35,100 possibility that it, that it becomes just a just another 622 00:37:35,110 --> 00:37:40,160 thing you're ticking off on your To Do List, but hopefully not, 623 00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:42,500 you know, like, do you have, do you have any thoughts on how to 624 00:37:42,510 --> 00:37:45,720 avoid that like? Well, I like, I think be OK with 625 00:37:45,730 --> 00:37:48,840 it just being something that you take off on your box to begin 626 00:37:48,850 --> 00:37:51,300 with. Like I think that's actually, I 627 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:55,420 think that's where where the downfall is, is that we have 628 00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:58,220 these defeater ideas. I think that's a Tim Keller 629 00:37:58,290 --> 00:38:01,400 line, like defeater ideas. He would always preach sermons. 630 00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:04,980 He's like, what are the defeater ideas that people believe that 631 00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:08,520 just make it impossible for them to believe what I am going to 632 00:38:08,530 --> 00:38:10,060 say? What the Bible is preaching like 633 00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:11,600 what? So it's just like, what are the 634 00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:13,920 preconceived notions that we have that we walk in and just 635 00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:16,190 like instantly done. I don't like I'm not going to 636 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,890 believe that because of this defeat or belief over here. 637 00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:22,870 I think the defeater belief on this is that it's bad to 638 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,890 schedule it and it's bad for it to feel rote. 639 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:32,370 OK. Because it might need to fuel 640 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,690 route to begin with. Hmm. 641 00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:40,530 Like it's, it's every time I pray, like I don't, I don't hear 642 00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:43,490 audibly the voice of God every time I pray. 643 00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:48,790 In fact, far fewer times than I actually pray, like less than 644 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:53,030 the less than less than average or less, less than the middle 645 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:55,820 right, fewer than fewer than half. 646 00:38:55,860 --> 00:39:01,300 So again, different podcast, how do you hear from God if it's not 647 00:39:01,310 --> 00:39:02,910 like God speaking to you audibly? 648 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,030 Like what are the various ways God is speaking to you And and 649 00:39:06,100 --> 00:39:08,110 what are the various ways God speaking to to us? 650 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:11,250 To me for sure, different podcast. 651 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,340 But I think that the defeater belief is that you need to have 652 00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:19,610 this like grand spiritual experience every time you sit 653 00:39:19,620 --> 00:39:22,320 down to like, well, if I'm going to carve out time and if I'm 654 00:39:22,330 --> 00:39:27,880 going to sit down, if I'm going to be silent, then it has to be 655 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:32,930 this big thing. And it's not always that like 656 00:39:32,940 --> 00:39:34,980 there is a discipline that you need to learn. 657 00:39:35,250 --> 00:39:39,500 I think that the the doing of it is showing up. 658 00:39:39,620 --> 00:39:43,780 What we can't control is how God's gonna move in that in that 659 00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:45,960 moment or in that during that time. 660 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:53,510 So it's OK that it sometimes feels wrote and and I don't want 661 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,340 to say meaningless, but that it feels like you didn't accomplish 662 00:39:56,350 --> 00:39:58,650 the thing that you were like, hoping to accomplish. 663 00:39:58,660 --> 00:40:01,100 Because it's not often about accomplishing not right. 664 00:40:01,110 --> 00:40:04,720 It's and. And that's maybe where our. 665 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,920 Are are sort of a productivity focused world can can struggle, 666 00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:15,060 right, But but I guess if we think about it like this is like 667 00:40:15,070 --> 00:40:21,380 a maybe slightly silly, but like brushing my teeth twice a day is 668 00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:26,860 a is a rote ritual that I I do blind blindly. 669 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:30,400 It's just it's, you know, it's just what you do because it's 670 00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:33,160 good for your teeth. I don't usually get anything out 671 00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:37,500 of that experience. I suppose my teeth do, but but 672 00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:40,740 it is something that that is is good to do. 673 00:40:40,750 --> 00:40:44,180 It is right to do. I highly encourage it. 674 00:40:44,730 --> 00:40:47,440 And you're healthier for it, Yeah, Whether you whether you 675 00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:49,790 like it or not. I had a dental pick up and I had 676 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,760 no cavities and they said, oh, looks like it looks like you've 677 00:40:52,770 --> 00:40:54,870 been taking care of your teeth. And I was like. 678 00:40:54,980 --> 00:41:01,120 Ohhhhh, great, someone noticed, but but like you're not wrong, 679 00:41:01,190 --> 00:41:03,950 you're not wrong. And listen like they're gonna be 680 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,200 moments where God does show up and where it is that like earth 681 00:41:07,210 --> 00:41:11,140 shattering ground out from under your feet kind of moment or 682 00:41:11,150 --> 00:41:13,540 where you recognize now this is different. 683 00:41:13,550 --> 00:41:18,300 There's something about this. It's a wholly experience and 684 00:41:18,310 --> 00:41:20,080 there are going to be moments where you do it. 685 00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:24,190 Hmm. I think learning the rhythm and 686 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:29,060 habit of it, yeah. Is it's OK that we're talking 687 00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:32,160 about doing the thing in order to be with Jesus. 688 00:41:32,170 --> 00:41:36,420 Like, your schedule needs to change, and that's OK, but it's 689 00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:38,180 not going to change unless you change it. 690 00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:42,440 You won't magically have time to spend with Jesus. 691 00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:47,180 It won't happen. Like, nobody drifts accidentally 692 00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:49,330 into progress. Yeah. 693 00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:51,550 And so you have to carve out time. 694 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:52,750 You have to actually do the thing. 695 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,280 You have to show up in order to make time and space for it. 696 00:41:57,350 --> 00:41:59,840 Yeah. So at that point, what I start 697 00:41:59,850 --> 00:42:02,040 to say to people is, and we've talked about this a little bit 698 00:42:02,050 --> 00:42:04,880 on early iterations of the podcast, like early episodes, 699 00:42:04,890 --> 00:42:08,810 but find a different space. Don't sit in your normal chair, 700 00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:13,570 like, but choose a spot and do a thing like I make coffee. 701 00:42:13,630 --> 00:42:14,930 Like that's kind of what I try to do. 702 00:42:14,940 --> 00:42:17,690 I make coffee in the morning and there's part of me that wrestles 703 00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,150 and like, well, shouldn't I read my Bible before I make coffee? 704 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,260 But no, like I'm prepping like there's a, there's a I slowed 705 00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:26,970 down kind of preparation that happens. 706 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:28,570 It's a ritual. It's a good in a good. 707 00:42:28,580 --> 00:42:33,990 Way in the best, yeah, best form of that word, like in the best 708 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,570 meaning of it. So yeah, that's OK. 709 00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:39,940 It's OK for it to be that and OK if you need to flip the other 710 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:44,350 way if you are, if you're prone to to spending a whole lot of 711 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,350 time reflecting and thinking. Maybe like you're in your head 712 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,860 too much. I think that's there are there 713 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:53,550 are some folks I know that that are that they can get in their 714 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,370 head too much where where they are are deep thinkers and it can 715 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:59,490 be beautiful. It can be like a a wonder. 716 00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:03,840 We need deep thinkers. We need good thinkers, but. 717 00:43:03,980 --> 00:43:07,610 To them I remind them of like the desert mothers and fathers 718 00:43:08,220 --> 00:43:13,230 who early monastics would withdraw from society into the 719 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:17,310 literal desert. One of my favorite is a vigorous 720 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,720 of Pontus who was like, well, Jesus went to the desert to 721 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,840 fight the devil, so so will I and that's what we did. 722 00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:31,730 So at any rate, the think about how much wisdom would have been 723 00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:36,600 lost if they went off into the desert and never, never 724 00:43:36,610 --> 00:43:41,080 returned, never wrote, never communicated, never met with if, 725 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,790 if they left and kept leaving until they died, right. 726 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,310 Like, and, and maybe that happened for some, maybe, like 727 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,530 maybe there's a ton of lost wisdom out there, but I, I just 728 00:43:52,540 --> 00:43:58,660 like, think about how much the church over centuries would have 729 00:43:58,670 --> 00:44:03,770 lost had that not been noise. This is a retreat with a purpose 730 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,560 of return. Hmm. 731 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,390 And that's like a rhythm. That's a rhythm we need to learn 732 00:44:08,460 --> 00:44:11,350 in our, in our lives. So what, like, is there an 733 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,510 outlet where you are processing and sharing and discerning on 734 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,270 what you're hearing? Because the other thing that 735 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:23,430 happens is you go so far sideways, you're like, well, not 736 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,010 sure you're hearing from God anymore. 737 00:44:25,020 --> 00:44:29,450 Well, and there's probably some, if you look at church history, 738 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:35,910 there are some very out there, um, kind of monastic where they 739 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,190 had these, these transcendent experiences that one could only 740 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,410 describe as bizarre, you know? Well, most of them are nastics 741 00:44:43,420 --> 00:44:44,730 did. Yeah, yeah. 742 00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:52,840 But what I appreciate about about church community is that 743 00:44:52,850 --> 00:44:55,920 we do get to kind of stretch each other a little bit, right? 744 00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:58,900 And, and there is opportunity, you know, there is opportunity 745 00:44:58,910 --> 00:45:02,620 for all of the things that we're talking about, right, where 746 00:45:02,670 --> 00:45:06,300 there are opportunities to serve and to do and, and in meaningful 747 00:45:06,310 --> 00:45:09,320 ways that are yeah, sure. Like the, our, our team, that's, 748 00:45:09,330 --> 00:45:13,080 they return on Thursdays. They are helping with the, the, 749 00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:16,540 you know, they are stewarding our, our facility and property 750 00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:18,780 well, right. There are others that are 751 00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:21,330 serving on the front lines in our, on our food cupboard, in 752 00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:25,250 the garden and, and others who are, who are helping, you know, 753 00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:27,150 make coffee on Sundays and whatnot. 754 00:45:27,230 --> 00:45:29,840 And then there are others who are in yeah, who are leading 755 00:45:29,850 --> 00:45:34,300 groups and in groups and, and experiencing reading scripture, 756 00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:37,290 learning, growing. They're even folks I know who 757 00:45:37,410 --> 00:45:42,420 have led some studies over the years that are very like, almost 758 00:45:42,430 --> 00:45:46,060 like academic, right? And like, I know for some people 759 00:45:46,070 --> 00:45:48,910 that's been a huge benefit. Like that's been a real like I 760 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,870 learned so much and I'm and I'm really thinking about it and, 761 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:54,530 and it's been really formative for me and like that, that's 762 00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:58,240 fantastic, right? And, and, and so like, I love 763 00:45:58,250 --> 00:46:00,460 the way in which we can learn from each other and that we have 764 00:46:00,470 --> 00:46:04,600 these rhythms and, and even the rhythm of, of Sunday, right? 765 00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:08,700 That that we, we are, we are gathered and then we are 766 00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:11,460 scattered, right? That in and of itself is it is a 767 00:46:11,470 --> 00:46:15,540 microcosm of what we are ultimately called to do as 768 00:46:15,550 --> 00:46:19,220 followers of Jesus. So I think just to return to 769 00:46:19,230 --> 00:46:23,010 your question, the and I was flipping around looking for 770 00:46:23,020 --> 00:46:28,930 something else that is gone now. But I do think that one of the 771 00:46:28,940 --> 00:46:32,510 practical things that people can do if they're listening, if 772 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,990 they've listened to the end, like here's the practical next 773 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,210 step for you. I think there there is a 774 00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:45,760 argument to be made that you sit down, look at your schedule, 775 00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:51,040 look at your energy output, look at the time output, look at how 776 00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:57,170 you are spending your life and compare it to what Jesus invites 777 00:46:57,180 --> 00:47:02,070 us to. Come to me, be with me, hear my 778 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,940 words. Like really hear them. 779 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,030 And then go and live differently because of it. 780 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:16,530 Go and put them into practice. So can you see those movements 781 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,190 in the course of not like a year, but like each day? 782 00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,290 Hmm. And can you see them in the 783 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:27,870 course of a week? And this is where I really think 784 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:34,030 like journaling your life will change your life because I just 785 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,080 think that so many of us, we don't, we don't actually think 786 00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:40,380 about the way in which we spend our time. 787 00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:43,070 I remember like screen time first came out and everyone is 788 00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:47,040 like, that's not true. Surely that's not true. 789 00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:50,220 Please let that not be true. And then slowly what we've found 790 00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:52,000 is like, Oh yeah, no, that's true 100%. 791 00:47:52,010 --> 00:47:54,800 Like we all spend hours on it, like on our phones, on our 792 00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:59,600 tablets, right? Like this is like, so I just, 793 00:47:59,670 --> 00:48:02,150 that was a mirror. That was a mirror moment where 794 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,750 for so many people, like your phone became this mirror. 795 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:08,750 You're like, ohhhhh, I didn't realize that. 796 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,030 And that's what a journal does, but in a much healthier way. 797 00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:15,560 Yeah, it feels very bold that, but in this case, Apple, I'm 798 00:48:15,570 --> 00:48:17,920 sure Android has an equivalent. It feels bold that they would 799 00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:19,840 even do that. It feels counterproductive. 800 00:48:19,850 --> 00:48:22,880 It feels like it feels like they would not want you to to reflect 801 00:48:22,890 --> 00:48:24,560 on that. No, exactly, exactly. 802 00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:30,690 Let's keep this 1A secret. But I think some of some of the 803 00:48:30,700 --> 00:48:34,910 best OHS, just some of the best daily rituals. 804 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,430 And like the daily examine from Ignatius of Loyola, his daily 805 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:46,490 examine is just a really clean, simple way of thinking through 806 00:48:46,500 --> 00:48:52,290 your day at the end of it and accounting for things throughout 807 00:48:52,300 --> 00:48:55,610 the day. And like, I just wonder if you 808 00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:58,890 break it down into those three things, like how did I, and I do 809 00:48:58,900 --> 00:49:01,730 like John Mark Comer's language here, how did I spend time? 810 00:49:01,740 --> 00:49:04,500 How was I with Jesus? How did I spend time with Jesus? 811 00:49:06,020 --> 00:49:09,280 How am I becoming like Jesus? And how am I doing the things 812 00:49:09,290 --> 00:49:11,160 that He did and challenges me to do? 813 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:13,800 Hmm. And can I see those things 814 00:49:13,810 --> 00:49:18,790 daily? Not in massive ways, but in 815 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:24,330 slow, steadied day by day, morning and evening. 816 00:49:24,730 --> 00:49:28,230 How do I see these these things shape in my life? 817 00:49:28,270 --> 00:49:31,420 I think that's that's a a good point to drive home is that 818 00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:37,160 it's, it's very small, very incremental little things, you 819 00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:42,540 know, like I, I think that holiness and and our growth or 820 00:49:42,550 --> 00:49:46,260 to use a very Christian word, set our sanctification process. 821 00:49:46,610 --> 00:49:50,340 It's it is. It is slow. 822 00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:56,340 I think by design, you know that sometimes there are are pivotal 823 00:49:56,350 --> 00:50:00,740 moments of radical conversion toward a new way, a new way of 824 00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:03,540 life. But in general, the the, the 825 00:50:03,550 --> 00:50:09,410 life change happens very gradually, yeah. 826 00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:13,450 Yeah, yeah, the one thing we can keep doing is showing up. 827 00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:14,630 Hmm. Right. 828 00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:17,710 And just one foot after the next, what's the next faithful 829 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:18,700 step? Hmm. 830 00:50:18,740 --> 00:50:22,140 That's another just a good, like, don't think 10 steps down 831 00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:24,670 the road, right? Like, what's the next faithful 832 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:25,650 step? Yeah. 833 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,390 And there's grace abundant when we fail like this is my like I'm 834 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:30,500 an all or nothing kind of person. 835 00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:33,750 I'm like, listen, like this week and every single day and then 836 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,450 the next week, you're like, I missed one day. 837 00:50:35,460 --> 00:50:39,010 So what's the point? Like don't get sucked into that. 838 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,870 Just day by day Grace and grace abundant. 839 00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:51,040 So which I, you know, I think is a great place to and for today. 840 00:50:51,050 --> 00:50:54,500 It's, it's been fantastic to go through this. 841 00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:59,000 You know, Luke 6 has been a lot of weeks, but it's been so good 842 00:50:59,010 --> 00:51:04,760 to just go through every little bit of, of this significant 843 00:51:04,770 --> 00:51:09,980 teaching that Jesus gives us and to, to learn how to take it all 844 00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:11,520 in. And, and I hope that we can 845 00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:16,910 continue continue to do that and to to do exactly what Jesus has 846 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,800 to do here, which is to to come to him deers words and 847 00:51:21,810 --> 00:51:23,000 ultimately to do them.