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Hey, friend, welcome to another 
episode of the podcast. 

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And this is my first time 
introducing it as the Sunday sit

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down. 
So this is a great a great 

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chance for us to continue the 
conversation. 

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Our hope is that you continue 
the conversation beyond Sunday. 

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So as Justin has said, it's not 
Sunday, but we're sitting down 

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and we hope that you're having a
good week and did get a little 

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bit of a chance to rest and 
enjoyed worship, worship 

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together in community, all of 
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But let me just restate 
something that we been saying 

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from the very beginning of this 
podcast, which is that our 

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conversation, while we 
understand, like on occasion, we

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go deeper into pieces of the 
text that we didn't get to 

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include in the sermon. 
There is information certainly 

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that we want to share in this 
conversation with you around the

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passage of this past Sunday, 
always the previous Sunday that 

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was preached on. 
Our hope is that we also give 

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you some questions that you 
yourself can wrestle with, and 

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that's why some of our questions
are more application or even 

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like personal kind of by nature.
So we really want you to find 

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yourself in to these 
conversations, not just 

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passively listening, but by 
taking it and using this to have

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some further conversation 
yourself. 

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So we hope that it does 
encourage you and that it does 

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challenge you to have your own 
conversations. 

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But we're jumping into a 
conversation around Luke 9 

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versus 37 to like about 44, 
which is this great story. 

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Jesus and his disciples 
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Jesus and the disciples 
immediately being confronted by 

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a man whose son is possessed by 
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He's demanding. 
He's begging Jesus to heal his 

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son. 
The disciples can't do it. 

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There's this great moment of 
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Jesus rebukes. 
He says some harsh things about 

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those present. 
So like a lot to work through 

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for sure in a short amount of 
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questions that we really hope, 
like I said, encourage you to go

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a little bit deeper in your own 
faith and with your own small 

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communities. 
One of the things that struck me

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as we went into this week and, 
and did some, you know, did some

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sermon prep as we often do, is 
that like this was so real time.

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This was our, the kind of our 
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is often like everyone's back 
from summer and all that kind of

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stuff. 
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is like a bit of a hard passage,
like everyone's coming back. 

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But in some ways, it was 

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actually just right. 
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Like because you, you know, 
you're describing, you know, the

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the mountaintop experience of 
the transfiguration and then the

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coming down from the mountain 
into reality, into real life, 

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which is exactly what people are
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You know, if people have been 
away, if people have been on 

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vacation, if people have been 
just in different rhythms and 

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routines of life, they are now 
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their kids to school and making 
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And I, I'm in that routine. 
And yeah, so are you. 

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Yeah. 
Trying to settle into it, right?

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people hearing and so I think 
it's worth researching today is 

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that like we we tend to and I 
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descent down the mountain as 
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mountain that you know 
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Jesus vocation, who he is, what 
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His mission is like immediately 
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it's, it's not absent up the 
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get like God's the, you know, so
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heaven, he's the primary actor 
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Like Jesus isn't being demanded 
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So I think that's what I mean 
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the the pressure of it is just 
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shoulders when he comes down the
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So framed it that way. 
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mountain and immediately the 
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back on them as well. 
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clouds, Jesus and Moses and 
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from heaven. 
And again, they're they're Peter

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Blessum. 
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misses the misses the boat a 
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But, you know, they're, again, 
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witnessing this happen and 
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that. 
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presence. 
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they come down the mountain and 
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a disciple. 
Dad's like, hey, ask the 

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So what's that about? 
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what I really tried to turn us 
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Jesus and for the Kingdom. 
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mountain as in this like failure
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just low, sort of emotional 
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It's a very intentional bringing
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bringing of the presence of God 
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the Kingdom down the mountain to
continue doing the Kingdom 

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thing. 
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powerful move, not in any type 
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this or revealed fully still 
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And I think that's the thing 
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to us, it can like our return 
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crash. 
The challenge is to allow Jesus 

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to do what he did there in our 
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Which is like the everyday. 
Monday, which is to yeah, it's 

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to take it exactly to take the 
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mundane stuff and really like, 
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mundane, like so we talk about 
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what is mundane. 
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what is secular, but that that 
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for Jesus. 
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like in preparation for the 
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distinction doesn't exist inside
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You know, worldview. 
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the Kingdom. 
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And everything is being redeemed
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Death and resurrection and, and 
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it's not, hey, you know, I've 
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my specific like healing of 
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9:00 to 11:00, right? 
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there's no distinction. 
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talk enough about how we talk 
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Kingdom. 
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enough about Jesus being the 
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Yeah. 
So the Kingdom coming isn't 

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because Jesus is like lobbing 
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everywhere as he goes. 
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like seed bombs, like those 
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Yeah, this is what's happened. 
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gardening until I met my wife. 
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all these random pieces of 
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like militia gardeners who run 
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like seed bombs into over like 
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cropped like beautifully looked.
Like the rogue rogue gardeners? 

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They're rogue gardeners. 
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with like a little like seed 
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and just to grow flowers, like 
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That's like beautiful in its own
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Way you know it's great. 
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Flowers on the one hand I go, 
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image. 
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these Kingdom grenades. 
He's he's his presence is the 

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Kingdom come. 
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distinction between Jesus and 
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So we like to like, we like, we 

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like to divide out. 
I think our life and, and we 

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talk about what is sacred and 
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I think in some ways we struggle
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privatization of faith that's 
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the first Prime Minister 
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strong line of like, and I'm 
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but he said that the state has 
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the nation, right. 
And because there's this intense

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privatization at that point of 
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done this, this back off like 
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And so then we get to 
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church life, my faith life is 
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sacred, wonderful love it very 
different from my work life over

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here. 
I have to operate in this 

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culture. 
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culture in order to just to 
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And so you just kind of 
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fully integrated life for this 
completely disintegrated 

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compartmentalized life. 
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parts of our world. 
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distinct memory from many years 
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were just like out of a group of
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life and something about 
religion came up and and someone

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and someone said to this one 
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religion are you? 
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like, aghast look on her face. 
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personal question. 
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And I was like, whoa. 
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know, growing up in the church, 
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should just, like, wear our 
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Like, that's just a part of 
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But for many it is not at all. 

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what I hope for our people and 
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even just for myself, like for 
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and think of all of life as 
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that word. 
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designed, ordered by God, all of
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God is present in all of it, 
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all of it. 
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you approach like making 
sandwiches for your kid, like 

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making lunch for your kid, 
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I was once challenged by a 
pastor friend who was asking him

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some questions on, you know, 
the, the dynamics of being a 

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pastor and having a family. 
He had three teenage daughters 

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at the time. 
I had two now like 3 young 

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daughters and his line was so I 
was asking him about, I can't 

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remember the question, but you 
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family, loving the church. 
And he's like, no, no, stop. 

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Grant you you, you don't get it.
He's like the the way I love my 

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family is the way I love Jesus. 
Like the way I love my daughters

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is the way I love Jesus. 
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he's Like the way I love my wife
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And so I wanted to like separate
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tell me all the young pastor, 
I'm like, tell me how to do 

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this. 
Well, like, how can I love 

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Jesus? 
How can I love my family? 

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How can I love my church? 
And he's like, you wrong 

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question, wrong question. 
And I remember going, Oh yeah, 

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yeah, all right. 
Like, but that's stuck with me. 

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I don't remember anything else 
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It was like an hour and a half 
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I remember anything else except 
for that that very specific 

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like, OK, we got to think about 
reintegrating all this in a 

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little bit better of a way. 
So I what I long for our church 

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is that same kind of hey, Jesus 
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the Kingdom And so we come off 
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whatever that means. 
And I go man, Jesus is no less 

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present there than he is at 
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Oregon worship, like, you know, 
concert at camp, retreat, like 

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wherever you are you go OK, it's
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Takes discipline, but we got to 
take the presence of God with us

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into those quote sort of mundane
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Yes. 
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yeah, it just means we need to 
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looking for God in those spaces.
Sometimes it's easy to presume, 

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you know, Well, yeah, when I'm 
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school, that's just walking my 
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But if we are looking for God at
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we do get, you know, my daughter
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and we, we get to have a little 
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and holy about that, you know? 
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And sometimes they're not deep 
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Walk. 
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Which is the beauty of like 
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Hmm. 
Right. 

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Which is just that type of real 
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you go like, hey, we're going to
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food to put on the table. 
And it's like, well, I don't 

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want to do that. 
It's like, OK, let's talk about 

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that, right? 
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privilege to be able to take 
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I mean, it's, it's an extra, 
it's an extraordinary privilege 

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to be able to take your kid 
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Just say that it's a privilege 
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um, for those everyday kind of 
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talk about, to talk about Jesus.
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Absolutely not. 
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So let's just say that too. 
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Cause sometimes I'm more 
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a cart or something or I'm not 
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somebody else with the card 
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Like to hazard so did Costco or 
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That, well, it wasn't gonna 
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specifically. 
But carts are just too big. 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Justin, how 
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paper and all the other things? 
I know, I know. 

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All right, so let's that was a 
related and and great, great way

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to jump into things. 
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The first one, the first one 
looking at this language that 

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you see in here. 
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passage, he brings people back. 
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particularly back to what he 
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for the first time. 
I'm gonna I'm gonna die. 

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Yeah, you know. 
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what I'm about to tell you. 
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delivered into the hands of men.
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he meant, even though he just 
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I, I guess maybe slightly more 
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previously. 
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hindsight for me, but like they 
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The point is that that Jesus is,
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gentle rebuke in here of saying,
like you, you've kind of 

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forgotten. 
Like, you've kind of forgotten. 

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Let me help you remember. 
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And so I want to talk about 
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and forgetting. 
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we kind of forget God? 
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what I, you know, think is 
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what are the ways in which we 
remember God? 

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And, and, and you know, we 
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in terms of our everyday life 
bringing God and everything. 

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think we can remember God and 
I'd like to talk about that. 

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Of this, I think it's. 
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Sunday from the message. 
We talked about how this is not 

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Jesus just, like, emotionally 
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Like, I can't believe you guys 
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Like how many years have we been
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get, you know, get this through 
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it's not that on the one hand. 
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hey, guys, get this through your
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Yeah, like he is, he is really 
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hearing this. 
The language in Hebrew, it's the

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term for it. 
Like it's a, I think I said 

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slang, but it's like it's a he 
Hebraism. 

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Like it's a. 
It's a very specific phrase that

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is very common. 
Is it the listen carefully to 

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what I'm about to tell? 
You. 

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Yeah, which is functionally 
saying don't forget, right? 

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Remember this, Please don't 
forget this. 

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Uh, you know, it's like when my 
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leave the house. 
Like, hey, get anything else, 

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Please get this one thing. 
It's like, send me a text 

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message just so that I remember 
right. 

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That's what like it's, it's 
Jesus is saying Remember, 

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Remember, remember. 
I can't take out. 

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I she's like, do you remember my
take out order? 

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No, I won't. 
So please please text me so that

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I can remember. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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This really is that that kind 
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So the disciples are, they're 

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supposed to be paying attention,
I would presume they're paying 

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attention. 
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Deuteronomy. 
He's quoting from Isaiah very, 

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very specifically. 
And there's a lot of passages in

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the Old Testament that point us 
to this same sort of cycle of, 

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to use your words, forgetting 
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the language of Israel and of 
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And you know, we've talked about
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about biblical Israel as 
language for the people know who

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God chose throughout the Old 
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cycle of forgetting and 
remembering and forgetting and 

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remembering. 
And it's probably most seen like

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I was thinking about this, it's 
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Judges. 
So, so judges, the very last 

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line of the Book of Judges. 
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It is. 
I think it's the most terrifying

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line 1 of the I mean, I say that
about a couple, but I think it's

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one of the most terrifying lines
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So in in Judges 21, it's 2125. 
It says in those days Israel had

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no king. 
So remember, God was meant to be

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king. 
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Everyone did as they saw fit. 
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everyone did what was right in 
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that way because actually 

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literally the word is judged. 
Everyone did as they judged as 

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they judged right And they got 
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live life in that radically 

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individual, um, like moral 
relativism where you get to 

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decide what is right for you and
nobody can tell you that it is 

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wrong. 
And I go. 

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Right on. 
We've got a template for that 

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and it's one of the most like 
use your language. 

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It's one of the most haunting 
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the most terrifying things. 
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Israel had no king. 
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their own eyes. 
Everyone did as they judged. 

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But if you look back at like 
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and I just I marked 3 for us 
because you see it immediately 

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here and let me just find the 
the words. 

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So in seven, it's the Israelites
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Lord. 
They forgot the Lord their God 

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and served the bales and the 
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So what we see Israel live into 
is this cycle of essentially 

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forgetting God and very 
specifically forgetting what God

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had done immediately for them. 
Like forgiving, forgetting God's

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deliverance, forgetting how God 
had delivered them from slavery 

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in Egypt, forgetting how God had
LED them and guided them and 

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provided for them. 
Forgetting how when they were 

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hungry, provided food, 
forgetting when they needed, you

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know, water, he provided like 
there's just this. 

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It's it's not just this general 
sort of they like were absent 

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It's very specific. 
They forgot the ways in which 

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God provided for them. 
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is the second move of the 
pattern is they begin to look at

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the nations around them, and 
they go, well, that nation has 

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this God, and that nation has 
their gods. 

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They're doing pretty well, and 
they're doing great. 

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Yeah, that nation has a king. 
We see it again, right? 

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Israel demands a king. 
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it's gonna go the way that you 
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Like, no, we know we really want
a king. 

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Everybody else has a king. 
Why can't we? 

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You already have a king. 
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Like, we want a real king. 
And it's almost like this 

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replaying of so you get Moses 
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they're like, he's dead. 
Plus he's talking about a God 

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that we can't really see. 
All these other nations have 

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gods that they can see. 
Let's build something that we 

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can see with our own eyes 
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And you know, so you, you get 
this cycle, forgetting God's 

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provision, his deliverance, the 
very real things that he had 

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done. 
And then turning and looking and

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seeing these other nations, the 
gods that they worshipped, the 

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kings that they served, the ways
in which they were successful in

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the Israel, in Israel's eyes. 
And they said, we want some of 

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that. 
And so they begin worshipping 

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those gods. 
They begin serving those kings 

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that begin demanding for their 
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And what we see is this pattern 
of choosing then to live like 

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away from God and God eventually
doing what God does, which is 

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like ameliorate the situation 
brings them back. 

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Usually it's through trouble and
hardship. 

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And God calls them he kind of 
like back in some Hey, Remember,

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Remember what I have done for 
you, which is why one of the 

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most common phrases throughout 
Israel's life is remember, hmm, 

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right. 
Many of the songs Psalms talk 

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about remember what God did in 
the time of right? 

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Remember how he let us out of 
Egypt? 

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Remember how he led us across 
dry land? 

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Remember how he led us through 
the wilderness? 

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Remember how he provided for us?
Because it's very distinctly 

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when they lose sight of that 
very specific provision that 

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they start going, oh, maybe it 
won't happen again. 

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Maybe we gotta start gathering 
for ourselves. 

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Maybe we need to start stocking,
storing up. 

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Maybe we need to start looking 
at other gods who can provide 

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different things. 
Like they got a lot of, you 

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know, something, maybe we gotta 
start doing our own thing. 

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It is it feels like there I 
think there's a couple a couple 

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little like themes to extract 
there that I I think are also 

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our own story personally and as 
a people is you get there is an 

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element of of comfort. 
And when you get into you know, 

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you've been provided for 
everything is good, everything 

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is comfortable. 
It becomes much easier to to not

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have got it before. 
And so when God is not at the 

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forefront of your mind, it's 
easy. 

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It's easy to forget and and then
secondly, there is a 

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discontentment as you look 
around you, you know, in this, 

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in the case of Israel, looking 
at the other nations, seeing 

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what they had and what they 
lacked or what the other nations

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had and what they lacked. 
Naturally for us, I think that's

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that's true, right? 
That is, it is. 

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It is easy to look around and to
forget about God because we are 

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focused on our lack. 
So those are, I mean, when we 

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talk about what are the ways 
which we forget God, I think 

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that's. 
Yeah, I'm, yeah, I'm spoiling a 

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line for this coming sermon. 
But like, I think one of the one

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of the main things that kills 
our faithfulness, spirituality, 

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our relationship with Jesus 
today is comparison, right? 

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And I don't think we fully 
understand how often we do that.

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So we're talking, we're moving 
into this story where the 

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disciples are like, ah, Jesus, 
we don't really wanna, we don't 

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want to talk about your death. 
And you know, there is that 

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curious line where it's actually
withheld from them, right? 

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Understanding of it is withheld 
from them. 

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So we've got that line to 
wrestle out. 

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But then they get into this 
argument about who's the 

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greatest. 
And which is about the service 

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level. 
So stupid. 

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Yeah, but it's like, how, how 
can we not, you know, reckon 

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with what you've just said? 
Jesus, let's do the most human 

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thing we can do. 
We'll compare ourselves and see 

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who's better. 
And I really do think I get 

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kills. 
Comparison kills intimacy, man. 

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Like it it. 
Comparison kills intimacy. 

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You know this for a relationship
Like comparison kills intimacy 

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with spouses and comparison 
kills intimacy with Jesus. 

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So you comparing your life, your
spirituality, your faith, your, 

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your prayer, your, your any of 
it it man, like I just think 

451
00:26:49,970 --> 00:26:53,520
that that's it's a road for 
killing your intimacy with Jesus

452
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:55,520
because you can go, it doesn't 
look like that. 

453
00:26:55,530 --> 00:26:57,520
It doesn't look like this. 
It doesn't feel like that. 

454
00:26:57,530 --> 00:27:00,060
I don't get this. 
I'm not like, you know, And 

455
00:27:00,070 --> 00:27:04,000
certainly this is true for 
pastors like their church is 

456
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:06,040
bigger than our church. 
So like they must. 

457
00:27:06,050 --> 00:27:07,100
Be. 
What are we doing wrong? 

458
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:07,770
What am? 
I right. 

459
00:27:07,780 --> 00:27:09,920
Yeah, exactly. 
And I go no, absolutely. 

460
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:16,110
It's just this, yeah, yeah, a 
horrible cycle that we can get 

461
00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:18,430
into. 
So comparison for sure. 

462
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,030
Yeah. 
And I think you could even 

463
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,000
compare, like you could bring 
that even to material need and 

464
00:27:24,010 --> 00:27:26,630
possessions as well, right. 
Like, you know, it's easy to, 

465
00:27:27,020 --> 00:27:30,060
you know, my wife and I've been 
one for lots of walks around our

466
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:33,910
neighborhood lately and it's 
real easy to to start looking 

467
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,050
and being like a wouldn't that 
be nice? 

468
00:27:36,140 --> 00:27:42,220
Cars in the driveway houses. 
And that's, yeah, like we try to

469
00:27:42,230 --> 00:27:45,730
keep them as just fleeting, 
noticing rather than like a 

470
00:27:45,740 --> 00:27:49,990
truly like deep rooted, you 
know, sense of discontentment 

471
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,830
because we, you know, we're very
fortunate and blessed in our, in

472
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,190
our home and we, you know, yeah.
But it is so easy to let that 

473
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,500
seep in. 
And then become, like you said, 

474
00:28:00,510 --> 00:28:02,630
become discontent. 
Yeah, yeah. 

475
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,320
God must be providing for them 
more than me. 

476
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,230
Like we do. 
We fall into those, I think, 

477
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,670
thoughts naturally. 
So those are some easy ways in 

478
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,950
which we, you know, can forget 
God and, and what God is doing 

479
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,770
and where God is, is active and 
moving. 

480
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,640
But more to the, the positive 
end of things. 

481
00:28:23,740 --> 00:28:26,580
What are the things we can do to
like to, to remember to like, 

482
00:28:26,590 --> 00:28:29,350
what are the, what are the 
practices that we can do to say 

483
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,590
like, Hey, this is how we 
remember? 

484
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,570
And and, and before I even, I'm 
just going to partially answer 

485
00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:40,460
the question before you even 
start loved the way on even on 

486
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:45,640
Sunday. 
The remembrance was directly 

487
00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:50,760
connected to communion, right? 
So, so like just ripping off 

488
00:28:50,770 --> 00:28:53,180
that a little bit of like we 
are, we were we were called to 

489
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:56,210
remember Jesus ends his passage 
was saying, remember, this is 

490
00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:57,860
what's going to happen. 
This is what's about to take 

491
00:28:57,870 --> 00:29:00,660
place. 
I am going to die, you know, And

492
00:29:00,670 --> 00:29:04,900
then we jump into communion and.
And it's and obviously a very 

493
00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:12,020
tangible reminder of of God. 
Yeah. 

494
00:29:12,100 --> 00:29:13,480
And his grace. 
Yeah. 

495
00:29:13,530 --> 00:29:14,280
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

496
00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:16,910
And I think just say, I think 
you, you pointed that out in our

497
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,800
teaching prep meeting. 
You know, hey, this is awesome 

498
00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:21,650
because we're gonna go straight 
from, you're going to go 

499
00:29:21,660 --> 00:29:23,370
straight from this into 
communion, you know. 

500
00:29:23,380 --> 00:29:26,690
Well, that's the conclusion 
then, like fantastic, right? 

501
00:29:26,700 --> 00:29:31,860
Like it was just that, yeah, it 
was, it was a great transition 

502
00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:36,160
to be able to pull off and go 
immediately into communion, say,

503
00:29:36,170 --> 00:29:41,140
hey, like in the core of our 
being, like our bodies get to 

504
00:29:41,150 --> 00:29:44,030
experience this remembering. 
Yeah, yeah. 

505
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:47,460
Which is why it's so, it's so 
important to, to like, I mean, I

506
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:51,720
think it's why the scriptures 
say like, don't, don't neglect 

507
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:52,490
this practice. 
Yeah. 

508
00:29:53,270 --> 00:29:57,600
Because it is that regular vary.
And some churches have different

509
00:29:57,610 --> 00:29:59,540
rhythms. 
Some it's monthly or quarterly 

510
00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:02,720
or weekly. 
But whatever that rhythm looks 

511
00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:05,140
like for, you know, for us, it's
it's monthly. 

512
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:11,000
That rhythm is so critical 
because it draws us back. 

513
00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:12,280
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

514
00:30:12,330 --> 00:30:14,660
OK. 
So I'm going to go the opposite 

515
00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:17,950
way. 
That is like, well, I don't know

516
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,280
if it's opposite, but very not 
Sacramento. 

517
00:30:20,370 --> 00:30:23,240
So you go immediately to the 
sacrament of all sacraments, 

518
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,430
right, Like Communion, 
Eucharist, like all in which I 

519
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:32,470
love because it is, I think to, 
to take that though and say we, 

520
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,960
we practice communion, like you 
said, once a month for very 

521
00:30:35,970 --> 00:30:39,030
specific reason. 
And that is we think that 

522
00:30:39,300 --> 00:30:42,370
probably every week would be a 
bit much, but quarterly is not 

523
00:30:42,380 --> 00:30:44,310
enough. 
It's not at what point is 

524
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,110
something a habit? 
At what point is something a 

525
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,130
ritual? 
At what point is something 

526
00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:53,540
beneficially adding the the 
discipline, the routine of we're

527
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:56,460
going to do this once a month. 
You know, I summer we're a 

528
00:30:56,470 --> 00:31:00,280
little bit more flexible I get, 
but you know, September through 

529
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:04,380
to June, you're gonna get 
communion once a month and it's 

530
00:31:04,390 --> 00:31:07,740
gonna be on the 1st Sunday of 
the month, barring any major 

531
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:09,060
something. 
Yeah, right. 

532
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:13,280
Like that's like Christmas Day. 
We maybe wouldn't, I don't know,

533
00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:22,830
maybe we would, but it's that 
that level of discipline I think

534
00:31:23,060 --> 00:31:29,080
is required for us to say 
together, let's remember, let's 

535
00:31:29,090 --> 00:31:33,330
remember. 
And it is frequently enough that

536
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:38,050
it serves that function of 
constantly calling us back to 

537
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:40,390
the presence of Jesus. 
Like constantly calling us back 

538
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,130
to the table is a constant 
reminder of Jesus's death and 

539
00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:46,350
his resurrection and his 
presence through the Holy 

540
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,040
Spirit. 
So how can we take that as like,

541
00:31:51,740 --> 00:31:57,360
you know, sacrament and then 
think, all right, week to week I

542
00:31:57,370 --> 00:32:00,340
go, that's the place of worship 
for many of us, right? 

543
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:06,630
And worship, I think the the 
community gathering to lift high

544
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,240
the name of Jesus, to sing, to 
read scripture, to pray 

545
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:13,380
together, to have coffee and 
tea. 

546
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:22,390
You know that that intentional 
gathering is a constant reminder

547
00:32:22,620 --> 00:32:27,030
of the death and resurrection of
Jesus and the continuing 

548
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:28,600
presence through the Holy 
Spirit. 

549
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:34,330
And that's why I think it's so 
like, I, I hope I'm the last 

550
00:32:34,340 --> 00:32:36,770
person to guilt people into 
coming to church. 

551
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:41,320
Like, hey, where were you? 
You weren't here, I though. 

552
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Like I genuinely believe that 
making it a habit is one of the 

553
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:49,970
most important things you can do
and one of the certainly one of 

554
00:32:49,980 --> 00:32:52,960
the most important things like a
family can do together. 

555
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,250
And that's I'm not saying like 
be at church on Sunday because 

556
00:32:58,260 --> 00:33:00,790
like that's the only way to be 
the church. 

557
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,070
That's not what I'm saying. 
But I think that there, it's the

558
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,870
benefit of the discipline saying
I'm going to show up might not 

559
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,750
feel it. 
It's like, well, I just didn't 

560
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,590
feel like going to church. 
Great to get your butt there. 

561
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:19,140
You probably need it most like 
it's it's not about it's not 

562
00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:21,980
about feeling it and you might 
leave. 

563
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:26,480
You might leave going. 
I didn't feel that like the 

564
00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:30,230
music wasn't my favorite. 
I go great, great. 

565
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,270
Because it's not meant to be. 
It's not meant like it's, it is 

566
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,050
meant to be a discipline. 
It's meant to be. 

567
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:39,130
It's meant to be encouraging. 
Yes, absolutely. 

568
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:40,510
It's also meant to be 
challenging. 

569
00:33:41,250 --> 00:33:45,620
Um, but it, it's, there's a 
reason why, like it's, it's been

570
00:33:45,870 --> 00:33:49,720
one of the central disciplines 
of the church since the very 

571
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:51,720
beginning. 
So I go that. 

572
00:33:51,730 --> 00:33:56,400
Way it's I love that and and I 
think that yeah, my thought was 

573
00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:58,920
as you were talking, I was like,
you know what like, yeah, you 

574
00:33:58,930 --> 00:34:03,780
you don't want it to be some 
just ritual that you do 

575
00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:09,550
mindlessly. 
But also like if it is that 

576
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,449
maybe that's just the turn out 
to make that every week. 

577
00:34:12,460 --> 00:34:15,800
But it you know, like if it's if
it's, you know, once every few 

578
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:18,969
weeks you're like, yeah, wasn't 
really didn't really get 

579
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:22,400
anything out of that. 
Like, well, that's OK, come 

580
00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:25,770
back. 
I I go to the dentist I don't 

581
00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:27,460
love. 
It I don't get anything out of 

582
00:34:27,469 --> 00:34:30,489
this. 
I do not enjoy it, but I know I 

583
00:34:30,500 --> 00:34:33,070
need to do it. 
Yeah, now I hope that coming to 

584
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,850
church is not like going to the 
dentist every single Sunday. 

585
00:34:35,900 --> 00:34:39,409
No, like no drilling noises but.
But I'm just saying like, yeah, 

586
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:45,290
I'm just saying like it's OK if 
on occasion you're like, it 

587
00:34:45,300 --> 00:34:48,639
doesn't feel like the most 
wonderful thing in your life 

588
00:34:48,650 --> 00:34:51,280
right now. 
Like it just to say like you 

589
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:53,239
don't need to feel it in order 
to go. 

590
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,679
You don't need to feel it. 
Can I say I'm gonna get real 

591
00:34:56,690 --> 00:35:00,040
vulnerable here? 
OK, I'm, I'm, I'm on staff at 

592
00:35:00,050 --> 00:35:01,800
the church and sometimes I feel 
that way. 

593
00:35:01,870 --> 00:35:03,280
Yeah. 
Wow. 

594
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:07,050
That's amazing. 
That that like there are 

595
00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:10,070
sometimes when it's like and 
it's like Sundays done. 

596
00:35:10,540 --> 00:35:14,050
Oh, sorry, relief, OK, you know,
and then others where it's like 

597
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:16,810
that was a joy. 
I am so grateful for this 

598
00:35:16,900 --> 00:35:22,290
community and this place and 
yeah, yeah, yeah. 

599
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,060
So now would you say that you 
can also notice though, Is there

600
00:35:27,070 --> 00:35:34,820
like a felt experience when you 
do walk away and go man, I was 

601
00:35:34,830 --> 00:35:39,000
not feeling it today but I'm 
glad I went cause like I would 

602
00:35:39,010 --> 00:35:40,670
articulate that. 
But I've had, yeah, I've had 

603
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,160
that. 
I've had that sometimes, 

604
00:35:42,170 --> 00:35:44,260
sometimes during times like I 
was not feeling out today and 

605
00:35:44,270 --> 00:35:47,050
I'm glad it's over. 
You know, part I think about 

606
00:35:47,060 --> 00:35:49,820
like even a couple weeks ago, I 
was running on like 3 hours of 

607
00:35:49,830 --> 00:35:55,220
sleep and was and was a zombie 
and I was not, my head was not 

608
00:35:55,230 --> 00:35:57,900
in the game. 
And and I walked away being 

609
00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:01,100
like, yeah, that I don't feel 
good about anything right now, 

610
00:36:01,110 --> 00:36:03,840
you know? 
It doesn't need to sleep. 

611
00:36:03,890 --> 00:36:06,100
I just need. 
And I had a great nap that 

612
00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:07,670
afternoon. 
Yeah. 

613
00:36:07,710 --> 00:36:10,680
Where whereas like yesterday, 
like I walked away being like 

614
00:36:10,690 --> 00:36:15,080
that. 
I feel so full right now and in 

615
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:16,920
the best of ways, you know? 
Yeah. 

616
00:36:16,970 --> 00:36:18,920
Yeah, I would articulate that as
well. 

617
00:36:18,930 --> 00:36:22,420
I think there are, there are 
moments that I can look back on 

618
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:28,990
and go, yeah, I, you know, I was
not feeling it wasn't, you know,

619
00:36:29,060 --> 00:36:35,360
waking up super excited to go 
and then walked away feeling 

620
00:36:35,370 --> 00:36:38,160
like there's no other place I 
needed to be. 

621
00:36:38,290 --> 00:36:40,440
I could have been like, I had to
be here. 

622
00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:44,330
And like, I can see that pattern
all through my life growing up, 

623
00:36:44,340 --> 00:36:50,520
like growing up going to church,
ironically on occasion felt like

624
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:55,820
work, like growing up kid of a 
pastor and I go, I got it. 

625
00:36:55,830 --> 00:37:02,150
I guess I gotta be there. 
And, you know, yeah, I, I, I 

626
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:05,490
can, I can certainly, yeah. 
I can point at every stage of my

627
00:37:05,500 --> 00:37:06,930
life. 
I can point out moments where I 

628
00:37:06,940 --> 00:37:12,540
go, yeah, I didn't wanna be 
there, Didn't wanna go, but 

629
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
that's the place that Jesus 
needed me to be. 

630
00:37:15,790 --> 00:37:19,360
And usually for for reason I go.
I I wouldn't have expected that 

631
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:21,180
to happen. 
I wouldn't have been able to 

632
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:24,580
name this. 
OK, So take it one step further 

633
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:27,160
away. 
So we've got sacrament, we've 

634
00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:30,040
got worship, which still feels 
like, hey, super churchy answer,

635
00:37:30,050 --> 00:37:32,670
right? 
Number one thing I wish people 

636
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,280
did every single day. 
And I say that because the 

637
00:37:35,290 --> 00:37:40,010
number one thing I wish I did 
every day and I don't is do 

638
00:37:40,020 --> 00:37:44,370
essentially what the Psalms do, 
which is to write down the 

639
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:48,710
things I want to remember. 
So that I mean, you know, I, I 

640
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:52,210
don't write songs, but like, 
maybe somebody writes songs, 

641
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:55,650
maybe somebody writes poetry, 
maybe you journal, maybe you 

642
00:37:55,740 --> 00:37:59,450
just get it on paper. 
I think we miss out on what God 

643
00:37:59,460 --> 00:38:04,110
is doing, and I think we miss 
remembering simply because we 

644
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,390
don't choose to remember. 
We're not, we're not reflecting 

645
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,710
enough. 
And yeah, you know, like there's

646
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,590
a, there's a, a practice that 
goes obviously it's, it's a very

647
00:38:11,660 --> 00:38:15,150
like widely mentioned practice, 
the practice of gratitude, 

648
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,200
right? 
Which is, which is like on a 

649
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:20,090
surface level, Christian or not 
Christian, great thing to do to 

650
00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:22,720
just be grateful. 
But I think actually the, the 

651
00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:27,690
way that a Christian could could
take that practice and and make 

652
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:32,710
it make it a little bit more 
faith centric would be to, you 

653
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,290
know, just make, you know, in 
the practice is usually like 

654
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:36,710
write 5 things you're grateful 
for. 

655
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,710
Yeah, if you, if we did that 
every day in and centred it 

656
00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:43,610
around grateful to God for the 
five ways in which we are 

657
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:46,350
noticing God at work, the five 
ways in which we are 

658
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,960
remembering. 
Yeah, whatever that looks like. 

659
00:38:47,970 --> 00:38:51,230
I think that could be cool. 
OK, so here's my challenge too. 

660
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:56,240
I was having a conversation with
a group of guys about this and 

661
00:38:56,250 --> 00:38:59,420
one one person said I I've 
changed my language around 

662
00:38:59,430 --> 00:39:02,540
gratitude and it's completely 
changed everything for me. 

663
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:06,380
And as I said, OK, tell me this 
is great. 

664
00:39:06,470 --> 00:39:08,390
The shift that he made was from 
Sam. 

665
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:17,240
So typically when we say you are
grateful for, it sounds like I 

666
00:39:17,250 --> 00:39:22,170
am grateful for. 
And you know, maybe at best we 

667
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:25,970
think like I'm thankful for. 
And so he said the flip that he 

668
00:39:25,980 --> 00:39:31,290
made was thank you for, right. 
And so unit does like it shifts 

669
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:38,650
the subject like it's less about
I am thankful that these things 

670
00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:42,370
happened, right? 
Like I'm still the key player 

671
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,850
and it pushes it out to be like,
no God, thank you for this. 

672
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,490
Because what it can then sound 
like is. 

673
00:39:52,800 --> 00:40:01,350
Thank you for situation that you
know was that was was painful. 

674
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,470
Or situation that taught me how 
to or for a person who I never 

675
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,530
expected would or for like it, 
it pushes it back on God and 

676
00:40:10,540 --> 00:40:14,280
others, which is the place where
like gratitude should exist out 

677
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:20,880
there, like toward others. 
And anyways, it's changed the 

678
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:24,510
way I try to think about it now.
I love that come wrestling it 

679
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,510
out. 
So yeah, instead of I'm grateful

680
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,240
for, I'm thankful for. 
Thank you God for this. 

681
00:40:32,410 --> 00:40:34,980
That's different. 
I play it out with people too, 

682
00:40:34,990 --> 00:40:36,970
right? 
Hey, I'm grateful that you did. 

683
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,250
Sounds a whole lot different 
than Justin. 

684
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:42,090
Thank you for. 
Right. 

685
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,920
Like, it's just a very subtle 
but significant shift. 

686
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:48,880
I like that. 
Yeah. 

687
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:52,200
So I wish people wrote down. 
And that's what I mean, that's 

688
00:40:52,210 --> 00:40:57,470
why so much of Scripture is so 
rich, because these are people 

689
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,560
wrestling out how to remember 
what God did generation after 

690
00:41:01,570 --> 00:41:04,400
generation after generation. 
So write it down. 

691
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:08,820
And I also think we need to 
remember, ironically, no pun 

692
00:41:08,830 --> 00:41:11,540
intended, like we need to 
remember how to tell stories. 

693
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:17,550
I think we have lost some sense 
of like this collective 

694
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:23,510
storytelling as a community 
where I remember thinking one 

695
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,500
day, like, man, we've got the 
greatest story on earth, Like 

696
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:32,480
the greatest story that's ever 
been told is written in these 

697
00:41:32,490 --> 00:41:38,980
pages, and we stink at telling. 
It's very often it's reductive. 

698
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:43,180
And you know, we, we truncate 
the gospel, we, we don't tell 

699
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:45,500
the obviously that's a, it's a 
large story. 

700
00:41:45,570 --> 00:41:49,860
So it's, there's a lot to tell. 
But no, I agree. 

701
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:56,540
I agree that we have not always 
shared this incredible story in 

702
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:58,600
a compelling way. 
Right. 

703
00:41:58,610 --> 00:42:01,240
So it's like I think about some 
of my favorite authors over the 

704
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:06,690
years, and they go like, Tolkens
telling the story in this 

705
00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:10,290
compelling way, right? 
CS Lewis tells the story in 

706
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:11,870
these beautifully compelling 
ways. 

707
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,070
I remember it hit me when I read
like, I think it was Harry 

708
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,720
Potter for the first time, which
like, when we were growing up, I

709
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:19,360
remember like, there were 
debates in churches about 

710
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:21,740
whether you could let your kid 
read Harry Potter or not. 

711
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:23,780
Like we won't go down that. 
Those debates are still 

712
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:26,070
happening for different reasons,
probably. 

713
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,950
I guess, but at any rate, I 
remember getting to the end of 

714
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,070
it and spoiler alert if you 
haven't read the last one, I'm 

715
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,910
like really this? 
Is it the best you could come up

716
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,500
with after seven books is that 
Harry dies and is resurrected? 

717
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:45,540
Like that's the best we've got. 
And so I remember to hit hit me 

718
00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:47,660
like that for the first time 
when I was a kid reading that 

719
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:48,800
book. 
What we doing? 

720
00:42:48,810 --> 00:42:50,680
We still stink at telling the 
story. 

721
00:42:50,690 --> 00:42:52,380
All just telling the story is 
better than we do. 

722
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:55,090
So I think we need to like 
recapture what it's like to tell

723
00:42:55,100 --> 00:42:57,240
the story of the gospel. 
It's really cool. 

724
00:42:57,250 --> 00:43:01,700
What, You know, I haven't 
watched too much of the Chosen, 

725
00:43:01,710 --> 00:43:06,040
but I think there are people out
there who are trying to 

726
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:11,840
recapture communal, like, what 
it means to be a community that 

727
00:43:11,850 --> 00:43:13,300
tells story. 
Yeah. 

728
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:17,060
And that does it well and in 
compelling ways for 2025. 

729
00:43:18,380 --> 00:43:20,630
That's good. 
So hopefully those are some, 

730
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,070
some good practices to consider 
and and as we talk about 

731
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,130
remembering and for and 
hopefully not forgetting what 

732
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:32,470
God has done. 
One other one other thought 

733
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,550
connected to this passage. 
And you, you alluded this a 

734
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:41,690
little bit in the sermon when, 
when Jesus rebukes the people 

735
00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:44,360
present. 
And, and we had, you know, we 

736
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:47,420
admit that we, we don't know 
exactly, You know, it seemed 

737
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:50,420
like it was a general statement,
but you mentioned that in the 

738
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:53,600
disciples would have felt it 
particularly hard. 

739
00:43:55,390 --> 00:43:57,600
But you know, these words of 
correction. 

740
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:01,510
And then you, yeah, you 
mentioned that sometimes our 

741
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,580
temptation is to, you know, rail
against the, the, the evils of, 

742
00:44:06,590 --> 00:44:10,120
of the world in the same way 
that Jesus, you know, you, you 

743
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:14,610
wicked and perverse generation. 
And and, and so the question 

744
00:44:14,620 --> 00:44:17,950
that came to my mind was, OK, I,
I hear that and I agree with 

745
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,220
that. 
And yet we talk a lot as 

746
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:28,840
Christians about becoming like 
Jesus and so OHS, where's 

747
00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:31,620
where's the line? 
Where, where is the line? 

748
00:44:31,630 --> 00:44:37,020
Because I mean, I, I don't feel,
I don't, I don't feel great 

749
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:39,140
about like talking to people 
like that. 

750
00:44:39,150 --> 00:44:42,680
Personally, that's my little bit
of my personality as well, but 

751
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:46,250
yeah. 
Yeah. 

752
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,690
So this, this is this is where 
that language of becoming like 

753
00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:54,970
Jesus, I wanna say, falls apart 
a little bit. 

754
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,060
Yeah. 
Because we're not Jesus. 

755
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,010
Right, right, right. 
At the same time, one of them 

756
00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:04,160
like that, I believe that's the 
language of Scripture. 

757
00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:06,170
I believe that's the language 
that Jesus uses. 

758
00:45:06,180 --> 00:45:08,630
I believe that that's the 
language of discipleship is 

759
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,990
about becoming more like Jesus 
and learning to do these things 

760
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,780
that Jesus did. 
I definitely, you know, like I 

761
00:45:15,730 --> 00:45:19,860
resonate with a lot of what 
Dallas Willard wrote on that 

762
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:25,400
language around discipleship. 
Ironically, not staged because I

763
00:45:25,410 --> 00:45:29,120
didn't put these books up there.
Willard's The Divine Conspiracy 

764
00:45:29,230 --> 00:45:32,260
on Discipleship is up on that 
bookshelf behind Justin. 

765
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:34,600
So little plug. 
Yeah. 

766
00:45:34,610 --> 00:45:42,390
Anyways, I I definitely think 
that that language has merit and

767
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,530
it has limitation. 
So this is probably where we see

768
00:45:45,540 --> 00:45:55,380
limitation of it. 
Now we, yeah, I, I think the 

769
00:45:55,390 --> 00:46:00,440
distinction that I hope to 
embody and that I hope for our 

770
00:46:00,450 --> 00:46:07,680
church to embody is the 
difference between being judging

771
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:10,340
and being judgmental. 
Hmm. 

772
00:46:10,380 --> 00:46:12,540
Right. 
So in I think it was, it was a 

773
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:15,330
while ago now. 
It was like 2013, 2012, 2014, 

774
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:18,880
somewhere around there. 
Barna Research Organization did 

775
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:24,370
this study of Christians, 
self-proclaimed Christians, and 

776
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:30,800
found that their attitudes and 
actions were more closely 

777
00:46:30,810 --> 00:46:35,440
aligned with the attitudes and 
actions of the Pharisees, right 

778
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:38,780
then they were aligned with the 
attitudes and actions of Jesus. 

779
00:46:38,830 --> 00:46:42,560
So, so majority close. 
I think it was like 51% or 

780
00:46:42,570 --> 00:46:44,780
something. 
So it's like close but still. 

781
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:46,720
But not great. 
That's not great. 

782
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:52,170
Close closer aligned with 
attitudes and actions that are 

783
00:46:52,180 --> 00:46:55,520
judgmental to use that 
hypocritical. 

784
00:46:57,350 --> 00:47:00,760
Placing an undue burden and 
expectation on people. 

785
00:47:00,770 --> 00:47:04,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
You know, unloving, insensitive,

786
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:08,830
those those types of things. 
And I definitely think that we 

787
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,420
can, yeah, as human beings, like
we can tip into those categories

788
00:47:12,610 --> 00:47:18,010
here. 
I do think that what what Jesus 

789
00:47:18,020 --> 00:47:23,320
is not doing is he's not like he
as as as vague as this language 

790
00:47:23,330 --> 00:47:26,380
is. 
This is Jesus teaching, and this

791
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:31,440
is Jesus using language of the 
past to remind those who are 

792
00:47:31,450 --> 00:47:37,410
present of the cycle that many 
of them, like historically, 

793
00:47:37,420 --> 00:47:41,260
culturally, religiously, could 
identify with. 

794
00:47:41,370 --> 00:47:45,550
Like they're the ones still 
wrestling these things out. 

795
00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:48,500
You could even argue, I think, 
that that at this moment in 

796
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:52,040
time, as Israel, you know, 
occupied by the by Roman rule, 

797
00:47:52,170 --> 00:47:57,520
they are maybe in a season of 
forgetfulness. 

798
00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:00,640
Yeah. 
And of being called back, yes, 

799
00:48:00,650 --> 00:48:02,800
right. 
Like that's what happens, right?

800
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:06,290
Like is, is Israel winds up in 
these moments and it's through 

801
00:48:06,300 --> 00:48:09,480
those hardships that they're 
kind of like reoriented back 

802
00:48:09,490 --> 00:48:13,530
toward God and this thing like 
this is the moment, this is it. 

803
00:48:13,540 --> 00:48:15,150
Don't forget, don't let it pass 
you by. 

804
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,010
Like right here it is. 
So he doesn't run around calling

805
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:22,860
everybody wicked and perverse. 
Yeah. 

806
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:30,770
So, you know, I think that, um, 
we, we in this, we are like we 

807
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:34,470
are, we are called to be like 
Jesus in that we are judging of 

808
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,870
the times. 
Discerning. 

809
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,970
Discerning. 
Be aware. 

810
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,660
Don't do what's right in your 
own eyes. 

811
00:48:42,670 --> 00:48:44,290
You know, necessarily all the 
time. 

812
00:48:45,780 --> 00:48:48,050
And Christians are called, I 
think, to have this different 

813
00:48:48,060 --> 00:48:53,220
lens with which we approach the 
entirety of the world, I said. 

814
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:57,620
I said that we as Christians are
naturally, we contend to want to

815
00:48:57,630 --> 00:49:02,460
do that. 
And so I just think it's worth 

816
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:04,290
saying that's not what Jesus is 
doing here. 

817
00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:07,790
Yeah, Jesus is. 
An it's an insider conversation.

818
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,160
It is. 
So it's going to say he's 

819
00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:14,010
speaking to his disciples, He's 
speaking to the crowds those 

820
00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:17,330
have gathered. 
So now this would be closer to 

821
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:21,620
like a church gathering around 
and saying, hey, we need to 

822
00:49:21,630 --> 00:49:24,180
remember, yeah, right. 
I might not use this exact 

823
00:49:24,190 --> 00:49:26,900
language, right? 
But but there could be an 

824
00:49:26,910 --> 00:49:31,140
intensity at times, like there. 
And I think that sometimes a 

825
00:49:31,150 --> 00:49:33,140
harsh word is going to be a 
harsh word. 

826
00:49:33,150 --> 00:49:36,380
But sometimes we need that. 
Yeah, sometimes I need that you.

827
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:41,180
Know like I do think that there 
is there is a place for rebuke. 

828
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:42,560
Yeah. 
Right. 

829
00:49:42,570 --> 00:49:47,440
What I wish Christians 
understood more, myself 

830
00:49:47,450 --> 00:49:51,940
included, is we need to earn the
right to be heard. 

831
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,890
And Jesus had earned the right 
to be heard. 

832
00:49:56,980 --> 00:50:01,930
Yes. 
Right, so he he does what he he 

833
00:50:01,940 --> 00:50:03,570
what only he can do. 
Hmm. 

834
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:07,360
But I think that, like, that's 
the thing I wish that we 

835
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:12,630
wrestled with more is, you know,
we, we want to stand and like, 

836
00:50:12,820 --> 00:50:16,190
judge what's going on. 
I think almost like as a way of 

837
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,930
distancing ourselves from it and
just like declaring, like, whoa,

838
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:22,610
what's going on over there? 
Don't love. 

839
00:50:22,620 --> 00:50:24,690
I'm gonna be over here. 
It's more comfortable for me to 

840
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:26,330
be over here. 
It's cleaner. 

841
00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:30,650
Like, if I can just completely 
separate myself, you know, maybe

842
00:50:30,660 --> 00:50:34,150
I can even blame what's going on
for my own problems. 

843
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,150
Like, why? 
Like, man, like why is the 

844
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,570
church in North America in 
decline? 

845
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:42,800
Oh, that's secularism. 
Like that's like we just, we 

846
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:45,720
like blame, like just kind of 
shipping blame, right? 

847
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:49,060
And so I think that that's, 
that's part of it. 

848
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,890
You know, maybe, maybe we don't 
want to be confronted with our 

849
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:58,050
own stuff. 
And so we find it's, it's, I 

850
00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:00,810
think maybe this is the number 
one reason why we do it. 

851
00:51:01,980 --> 00:51:05,980
If I can concern myself with 
other people's spirituality and 

852
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:10,900
where they have or are failing 
in my eyes, then I don't have to

853
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:15,070
look introspectively like I 
don't need to allowed Jesus to 

854
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,930
confront me. 
If like what Jesus is using me 

855
00:51:17,940 --> 00:51:20,510
to confront everybody else, that
must mean that I've got it 

856
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,790
figured out. 
And I say that like a little bit

857
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,570
tongue in cheek, but I think 
it's easier for me to point out 

858
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:30,280
a flaw in somebody else than for
me to address that same flaw in 

859
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:33,490
myself. 
It's one of my biggest 

860
00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:38,810
challenges when I see someone, 
you know, yelling at passersby 

861
00:51:38,820 --> 00:51:42,150
on a street corner just because 
I'm like, I mean, a, you're not 

862
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:47,270
really helping anything. 
But also like that's not really 

863
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:52,010
the job of of a Christian, you 
know, like I was, we were 

864
00:51:52,020 --> 00:51:54,850
talking about this before we 
pushed record. 

865
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:57,500
But just looking up this, this 
passage in First Corinthians 

866
00:51:57,510 --> 00:52:00,530
where there's this super intense
situation that we don't need to 

867
00:52:00,540 --> 00:52:05,320
get into and you can read about.
But the Paul, his his like take 

868
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:10,240
away at the very end is what 
business is it of mine to judge 

869
00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:14,440
those outside the church? 
Yeah, Are you not to judge those

870
00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:18,280
inside? 
And and like implication being, 

871
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:21,200
yeah, that that there is that 
there is judgment and 

872
00:52:21,210 --> 00:52:24,620
discernment to happen within, 
you know, with within those in 

873
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:28,070
the walls. 
But that what business is it of 

874
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,540
mine, you know, like that like 
that's not my purview, right. 

875
00:52:31,950 --> 00:52:34,140
And it really wasn't Jesus 
either. 

876
00:52:34,190 --> 00:52:38,420
Yeah, the thing that I love 
about how Paul writes all of 

877
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:44,420
what he does in the New 
Testament is for Paul, there's 

878
00:52:44,430 --> 00:52:49,340
not a whole lot that has greater
importance than the unity of the

879
00:52:49,350 --> 00:52:50,780
church. 
Hmm. 

880
00:52:50,890 --> 00:52:55,700
So when you look at all of his 
writings, it's, yeah, you know, 

881
00:52:55,710 --> 00:53:00,800
where, where he, he, he gets 
harsh, harsh with the church in 

882
00:53:00,810 --> 00:53:04,620
Galatia. 
So he he, he calls them foolish,

883
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:07,660
says you foolish Galatians who's
bewitched you. 

884
00:53:07,870 --> 00:53:11,050
I mean foolish, that's a very 
like in their language has a 

885
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:12,180
very intense. 
Sure. 

886
00:53:12,190 --> 00:53:17,760
That's to write that down, like 
to send that is in like that in 

887
00:53:17,770 --> 00:53:21,900
a letter is not. 
That's not a simple thing. 

888
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:24,300
I mean, if I sent that to 
somebody by e-mail, chances are 

889
00:53:24,310 --> 00:53:27,510
they're going to be offended if 
I started an e-mail, like, yeah,

890
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,570
you foolish person who's 
bewitched you, Nobody's nobody's

891
00:53:30,580 --> 00:53:32,480
reading that. 
Then going oht Yeah, you know 

892
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:33,210
what? 
They're right. 

893
00:53:33,220 --> 00:53:34,910
Yeah, I'm glad. 
Like that's gonna land. 

894
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,890
It's hard. 
Oftentimes what he what he is 

895
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:47,590
articulating is that the unity 
of the Church matters typically 

896
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:54,480
more than, you know, topic AB or
C because of the way we are 

897
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:56,950
perceived by those outside the 
church. 

898
00:53:57,670 --> 00:54:00,940
So, like, the simplest way I can
put this is like, if we can't 

899
00:54:00,950 --> 00:54:04,300
even get along, who's gonna 
wanna look at that and go, well,

900
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:05,960
I want in. 
Yeah, that's right. 

901
00:54:06,020 --> 00:54:09,020
And, you know, like, they got 
more mess than than we do. 

902
00:54:09,070 --> 00:54:09,820
Yeah. 
Like what? 

903
00:54:09,870 --> 00:54:13,230
So in a certain way like this, 
certainly I want people thinking

904
00:54:13,240 --> 00:54:14,800
like, the church is not a 
perfect place. 

905
00:54:14,810 --> 00:54:17,470
We're not. 
And certainly we should not just

906
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,230
put on the face of being 
perfect. 

907
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,740
That's not what I'm saying. 
But like, I love this heart for 

908
00:54:22,750 --> 00:54:24,460
Paul. 
Paul, listen, Paul does in case 

909
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:26,450
like, I don't care about what 
they're doing over there. 

910
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:28,330
He's like, you guys get your 
head. 

911
00:54:28,340 --> 00:54:32,020
Screwed that all problems here, 
let's deal with them so that. 

912
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,870
The message of the gospel 
continues to go out from the kid

913
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,830
like he's like, it's, it's not 
just that you look good. 

914
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:38,880
It's not just that you feel 
good. 

915
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:42,120
It's not just that you can get 
your reward in heaven. 

916
00:54:42,450 --> 00:54:47,220
It's so that the message of 
Jesus can continue to be 

917
00:54:47,230 --> 00:54:51,000
proclaimed through the church 
That that for him is like the 

918
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:54,940
number one base priority that 
the gospel, like the the message

919
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:59,440
of Jesus is being lived out in a
way such that it spreads through

920
00:54:59,450 --> 00:55:02,510
the church. 
And he's like, we're going to 

921
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,770
sacrifice some things to make 
sure that one main thing 

922
00:55:05,780 --> 00:55:09,100
happens, right? 
So unity for one. 

923
00:55:09,110 --> 00:55:14,250
He's like, hey, we are going to 
choose to be united for the sake

924
00:55:14,260 --> 00:55:18,910
of the Kingdom and for the sake 
of the gospel and the message of

925
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:24,280
Jesus being spread, not because 
it's easy and comfortable and 

926
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:26,180
makes us feel great. 
We're going to have awkward 

927
00:55:26,190 --> 00:55:30,040
conversations and hard 
conversations like hey, adult 

928
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:33,640
men, you probably don't need to 
worry about getting circumcised 

929
00:55:33,650 --> 00:55:38,640
like awkward conversations about
how to get along inside of 

930
00:55:38,650 --> 00:55:42,690
community. 
So for him it's it's about 

931
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:47,220
understanding that why to use 
like Simon Cynic's language of 

932
00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:49,340
getting back to why. 
Start with why, yeah. 

933
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:55,140
For us, it needs to be the same.
You know, it needs like a one 

934
00:55:55,150 --> 00:56:01,590
priority needs to be that the 
message of Jesus is blowing up 

935
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,510
beyond these walls. 
And and and not, not hindered by

936
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,150
our own stupidity. 
Yeah. 

937
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,690
And that's what we see. 
I mean, we we really do. 

938
00:56:10,780 --> 00:56:14,430
And this is a hard word as just 
as we wrap up, but like it's a 

939
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:19,620
challenge that we need to face 
that like there are there are 

940
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:26,530
eyes on Christians and churches 
and and they see the ways in 

941
00:56:26,540 --> 00:56:29,950
which, you know, the churches 
functioning in, let's say, North

942
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,620
America, just as an example. 
Yeah, because it is still fairly

943
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:40,830
predominant and not always in 
good or healthy or or or helpful

944
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,780
ways. 
And by that I just mean like the

945
00:56:43,790 --> 00:56:45,670
sometimes our our witness has 
been really bad. 

946
00:56:47,030 --> 00:56:48,290
Yeah, just to be very crystal 
clear. 

947
00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:53,100
Yeah. 
And and that doesn't help us to 

948
00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:55,680
be able to talk with our with 
our friends about Christ. 

949
00:56:55,790 --> 00:57:00,680
Yeah, so, OK, let's circle back 
all the way to 45 years 

950
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,090
anniversary. 
Hmm, right. 

951
00:57:03,830 --> 00:57:07,220
It's not 50, it's not 100. 
It's not like 45 is 45. 

952
00:57:07,230 --> 00:57:08,960
It's longer than you and I have 
been alive. 

953
00:57:10,410 --> 00:57:14,000
Super significant anniversary 
for our church, like planted 45 

954
00:57:14,010 --> 00:57:18,240
years ago and we've talked 
around this idea. 

955
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:25,120
I think we're entering into a 
little bit of like a danger zone

956
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,370
of we we're we're not a church 
plant anymore. 

957
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,730
Hmm. 
Like this is our third iteration

958
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:35,430
of building. 
So yeah, planted here as a 

959
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,250
rental. 
Well, this was a school, built a

960
00:57:38,260 --> 00:57:41,610
building, came back, bought this
school when it was closed as a 

961
00:57:41,620 --> 00:57:45,580
school, kind of ran out of it. 
And God did some amazing things 

962
00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:51,430
through all of that story. 
The the danger that we're into 

963
00:57:51,500 --> 00:57:56,710
is we're now far enough away 
from that original like church 

964
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,330
planting spirit of like we are. 
We're gonna plant a church in 

965
00:58:01,340 --> 00:58:04,500
this part of Guelph because we 
believe that there are people 

966
00:58:04,510 --> 00:58:09,610
and families here who need to 
know Jesus, and we're gonna 

967
00:58:09,620 --> 00:58:11,310
provide that Christian witness 
here. 

968
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:17,850
We're called to be rooted here 
and to be the church here and to

969
00:58:17,860 --> 00:58:20,950
see the message of Jesus spread 
throughout our city. 

970
00:58:22,340 --> 00:58:27,430
And, you know, we're reaching a 
time where we still have some 

971
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,850
folks who are around when the 
church was planted not but not 

972
00:58:29,860 --> 00:58:32,210
many. 
And there will come a day when 

973
00:58:32,220 --> 00:58:37,210
there are no more people around 
who were there when we were 

974
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:41,390
planted. 
And we run the risk of I think 

975
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:47,230
in these next years going, are 
we going to idolize the past in 

976
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:53,260
a in an unhealthy way where we 
say, you know, we cannot do 

977
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:57,570
certain things because this is, 
you know, this is how it was 

978
00:58:57,580 --> 00:59:02,910
started or why? 
Or are we gonna elevate the 

979
00:59:02,970 --> 00:59:08,270
beautiful mission and witness of
those first planters and that 

980
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,660
early church and say, hey, 
here's the Spirit and here was 

981
00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:15,290
the here's the mission. 
We're going to be crystal clear 

982
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:20,260
that the mission really hasn't 
changed, but our methods need 

983
00:59:20,270 --> 00:59:21,710
to. 
Yeah, yeah. 

984
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:24,040
And we were pretty clear on that
when we when we were working 

985
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:27,200
reworking our vision and mission
statements that like, hey, like 

986
00:59:27,250 --> 00:59:30,260
we don't want to get caught up 
in methods because methods 

987
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:34,800
change as as generations come 
and go, right. 

988
00:59:34,890 --> 00:59:39,920
And so we have, we, we want to 
be able to think that through 

989
00:59:40,270 --> 00:59:43,400
in, in a way that I mean, 
obviously there's lots of, 

990
00:59:43,410 --> 00:59:45,580
there's gonna be hard, you know,
I'm sure they'll be hard 

991
00:59:45,590 --> 00:59:49,880
conversations because we become 
attached to certain ways of life

992
00:59:49,890 --> 00:59:52,190
and being. 
And, and I, I do too. 

993
00:59:52,620 --> 00:59:54,870
We all do. 
And, and so, yeah, it's going to

994
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,730
be really interesting. 
I'm looking for. 

995
00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:59,950
I'm looking forward to. 
It I just think we have we have 

996
00:59:59,960 --> 01:00:04,970
a beautiful opportunity to honor
the the. 

997
01:00:06,290 --> 01:00:08,820
People who have come before us. 
Yeah, right. 

998
01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:13,310
And on whose shoulders we stand.
And to say the best way we can 

999
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,810
honor what they've done and 
accomplished is by ensuring that

1000
01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:21,280
it's here for another 45 years. 
Hmm. 

1001
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,070
And another 45 after that. 
Yeah. 

1002
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,690
So, yeah. 
Remember, tell the stories, 

1003
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,770
write things down. 
Come to church, take communion, 

1004
01:00:31,540 --> 01:00:33,550
do the things. 
Love that.