1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,030 Hey friends, welcome to another episode of the KPC Podcast. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,190 And we are well and good into summer now like this is this is 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,130 fun. It's hot, it's warm, it's cool 4 00:00:12,140 --> 00:00:16,760 in this room for now, but I brought a lamp. 5 00:00:16,810 --> 00:00:19,600 This is a new addition to our to our set. 6 00:00:20,210 --> 00:00:23,520 If you're listening only I'm sorry, there's now a lamp here 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,980 where there wasn't a lamp. That's the nice lamp 8 00:00:25,990 --> 00:00:29,160 description. It's an IKEA lamp, man. 9 00:00:29,170 --> 00:00:32,659 That's all it is. It's but it's felt fitting 10 00:00:32,670 --> 00:00:37,460 because pastors are notorious for like props, right? 11 00:00:37,690 --> 00:00:39,340 Or like. There's there's an Instagram 12 00:00:39,350 --> 00:00:42,320 page called Pastors with Props and it's quite funny. 13 00:00:42,370 --> 00:00:47,530 Usually a ladder like that's what I like single most used 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,070 like object in sermons is a ladder. 15 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,910 It's just just so versatile. So it's my goal to never use a 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,090 ladder in a sermon, ever, for any sermon illustration 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,270 whatsoever. But great passage, fantastic 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,430 sermon that Lindsey preached yesterday for us, a recording on 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:12,370 Monday, but this past Sunday on this idea that nobody lights a 20 00:01:12,380 --> 00:01:18,100 lamp, puts it under a bowl. I love the fact that and like we 21 00:01:18,110 --> 00:01:24,090 didn't discuss this ahead of time, but like, you know, months 22 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:26,780 ago, whenever that was when we were figuring out the the 23 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:29,570 passages and breaking it down through the summer, what passage 24 00:01:29,580 --> 00:01:33,020 on what week and then Lindsey agreeing to preach this Sunday. 25 00:01:33,150 --> 00:01:37,180 I think I'm just constantly amazed like God is working so 26 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:40,980 far in advance on these things than we are, which is not an 27 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:43,640 excuse to like not prepare, but it is. 28 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:47,300 I just I love how like we plan and we prepare. 29 00:01:47,310 --> 00:01:49,400 And then Lindsey preached that sermon. 30 00:01:49,410 --> 00:01:54,240 I'm like listening to it, only her, like she was the one like 31 00:01:54,250 --> 00:01:56,750 to preach that message. She was predestined. 32 00:01:57,540 --> 00:02:01,160 Well, we're not we're not going that far today on we keep using 33 00:02:01,170 --> 00:02:03,090 that on today's on today's podcast. 34 00:02:03,100 --> 00:02:06,500 We're not gonna dive into that one, but I just absolutely love. 35 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:09,750 So like that opening illustration, like I didn't know 36 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,260 any of that. When we're like, OK, this is the 37 00:02:13,270 --> 00:02:14,680 week that Lindsey has agreed to preach. 38 00:02:14,690 --> 00:02:18,050 Here's the passage. And I just go like, thanks, 39 00:02:18,060 --> 00:02:21,850 Jesus, for working so far in advance and surprising us. 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:27,410 And yeah, like we, we know that that's the case. 41 00:02:27,420 --> 00:02:29,250 Like I feel like this is something I know. 42 00:02:29,290 --> 00:02:31,330 We shouldn't be surprised. We shouldn't be surprised, 43 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:34,510 however. And yet I'm constantly amazed, 44 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:39,290 yeah, at how these things go. So great passage. 45 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,750 We're still in Luke chapter 8, so it's. 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:42,970 Only week what? Week 2. 47 00:02:42,980 --> 00:02:46,470 It's only Week 2 and 8. But we'll be here for another 48 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,990 few weeks, which would be great. So our, our plan today, because 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,960 I'm not Lindsey, we are heading off on vacation later this week 50 00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:58,500 and we have a million things to do. 51 00:02:58,510 --> 00:03:02,260 But this is the part of my job and Lindsey also has her job and 52 00:03:02,270 --> 00:03:05,300 so she won't be able to join us to, to be interviewed. 53 00:03:05,370 --> 00:03:07,990 So this will be a little bit more discussion. 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,360 Grant thought up a few questions for us just to talk about and, 55 00:03:12,490 --> 00:03:14,380 and I haven't even heard them yet. 56 00:03:14,390 --> 00:03:19,570 So this is totally, totally off the cuff and we'll have a bit of 57 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:22,420 fun with. It and I think that if I could 58 00:03:22,430 --> 00:03:25,770 say one thing just as we jump in here, you know, very likely 59 00:03:25,780 --> 00:03:30,610 through the summer like this might be the flow of many of the 60 00:03:30,620 --> 00:03:35,150 weeks and episodes of podcast. We don't think that that's a bad 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,670 thing. We think that it's different. 62 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,490 So the thing that I would say is for the summer, the episodes 63 00:03:41,500 --> 00:03:47,370 will likely be less information based and tell us more about, 64 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,790 you know, what didn't make it into the sermon or what could 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:55,010 have like let's dive deeper into these points and more 66 00:03:55,020 --> 00:03:58,150 application based. And I actually think that that 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,070 is a good thing for you who's listening because one of the 68 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,330 things we've been saying, we really want these episodes to 69 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:07,980 help you have your own conversations in greater 70 00:04:07,990 --> 00:04:11,800 measure. And so word, yeah, we're focused 71 00:04:11,810 --> 00:04:16,920 less here even on information for you and more on let's pose 3 72 00:04:16,930 --> 00:04:22,300 questions that we bat back and forth that you can also think 73 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:24,840 through and try to answer for yourself. 74 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:28,660 And even better would be to get a group of people together, even 75 00:04:28,670 --> 00:04:32,260 one other person, and discuss these exact same three 76 00:04:32,270 --> 00:04:33,940 questions. So we want to give you some 77 00:04:33,950 --> 00:04:38,460 questions for those discussions. So these are those if you want 78 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:39,190 to read the. Passage. 79 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,580 I'll read it. It's a nice short one. 80 00:04:40,590 --> 00:04:45,440 So and I Lindsey yesterday read from the NRSV. 81 00:04:45,450 --> 00:04:47,380 I'll I'll, I'll just read from the NIV here. 82 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:50,680 Great. So a lamp on a stand. 83 00:04:50,890 --> 00:04:55,680 No one lights a lamp and hides it in a clay jar or puts it 84 00:04:55,690 --> 00:04:59,800 under a under a bed. Instead, they put it on a stand 85 00:04:59,870 --> 00:05:02,480 so that those who come in can see the light. 86 00:05:02,630 --> 00:05:06,620 For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and 87 00:05:06,630 --> 00:05:10,740 nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the 88 00:05:10,750 --> 00:05:14,080 open. Therefore consider carefully how 89 00:05:14,090 --> 00:05:18,120 you listen. Whoever has will be given more. 90 00:05:18,130 --> 00:05:22,690 Whoever does not have even wet what they think they have will 91 00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:25,980 be taken away from them. Yeah. 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:32,190 So again, like, I just thought it was like, thanks, Jesus, that 93 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,670 opening story that Lindsey told about the light that was left on 94 00:05:37,940 --> 00:05:42,090 in her home growing up as like a sign it had a purpose. 95 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,290 I just thought was like the perfect into this passage. 96 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:49,270 I was sitting next to her dad and, and when she started 97 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,670 talking, he, I could hear, I could hear him sort of make a 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,570 noise of like he knows exactly where this is going, right? 99 00:05:55,580 --> 00:05:56,170 Right. Yeah. 100 00:05:56,220 --> 00:05:57,930 Which? Is great, which is, you know, 101 00:05:57,940 --> 00:06:02,690 fantastic. So three questions and we can 102 00:06:02,700 --> 00:06:07,090 just sort of work them through each like 1 by 1. 103 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:11,650 We might even if we figure it out, put the question up on the 104 00:06:11,660 --> 00:06:13,930 of the video for those of you watching. 105 00:06:14,420 --> 00:06:18,650 And so you can feel free to pause and answer the question 106 00:06:18,660 --> 00:06:23,510 for yourself before we discuss it or after we discuss. 107 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,950 It depends on whether you want to be influenced by our 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,400 conversation. Yeah, which will change the 109 00:06:28,410 --> 00:06:29,920 nature of how you answer, I'm sure. 110 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:34,430 Yeah, But I, I guess the, the opening question for me is 111 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,660 simply this, Well, I say simply, but this this early question 112 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:44,240 that Lindsey posed by saying there's the good news of the 113 00:06:44,470 --> 00:06:47,040 gospel, right? The good news, the gospel, the 114 00:06:47,050 --> 00:06:49,900 good news of the Kingdom. She had this line that that 115 00:06:50,090 --> 00:06:54,080 said, and I'm not going to quote her verbatim, but the good news 116 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:58,950 is that Jesus is king. And I went, yes, like 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,270 absolutely. And like love that. 118 00:07:02,280 --> 00:07:06,310 Like that line is I, I think as a preacher, as a pastor, as a 119 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,390 Christian, a follower of Jesus, like that line is so crucial for 120 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,030 us to get and understand and really allow the reality, the 121 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,150 truth of what Lindsay proclaimed with that line to like to sink 122 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,070 deep down and cause us to wrestle stuff out. 123 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:26,930 So the question is simply like what does it mean to call Jesus 124 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:29,850 King? And if I were to add like a 125 00:07:29,860 --> 00:07:36,730 couple qualifier questions, they would be How is Jesus King And 126 00:07:36,740 --> 00:07:45,290 how is Jesus not King in like personally in in my life, in, 127 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:49,830 you know, my family, families, life, kind of organization 128 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:55,230 culture, you know, for us as a church, like we named Jesus 129 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,310 King. What does it mean? 130 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:02,440 And then where is he king? Where might he not be king? 131 00:08:03,210 --> 00:08:05,940 So I'm curious how that kind of question lands for you. 132 00:08:05,950 --> 00:08:09,840 I've got my own sort of my own thoughts and response, but maybe 133 00:08:09,850 --> 00:08:12,290 that first one doesn't mean to call Jesus King. 134 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:18,150 It feels, I mean, I, I'd be, you know, not to answer our question 135 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,530 with a question, but it but it raises a question for me of is 136 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:27,710 do we, do we distinguish between Jesus as Lord and Jesus as King 137 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,770 and, and, and do we see those as having different implications? 138 00:08:32,780 --> 00:08:34,190 Maybe we just throw that back real quickly. 139 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,030 I don't know if you have thoughts around that. 140 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:43,860 Yeah, yes. So Lord curious is is certainly 141 00:08:43,870 --> 00:08:50,530 like AA title. Yeah, I I think we probably and 142 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:52,550 yeah, this is great. I love that we, like neither of 143 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:54,510 us, have thought through these questions because we're on the 144 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,540 fly. And so the reason I think about 145 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:59,970 it is because we often one of the early Christian creeds is 146 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,310 Jesus is Lord, not Jesus is King. 147 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,590 We declare Jesus as King. But it it feels a little 148 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,060 different, right? So yeah. 149 00:09:09,100 --> 00:09:14,520 So Lord to me and like 2 weeks ago, baptism membership Sunday, 150 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:18,760 we had people who publicly declared Jesus Christ is Lord. 151 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:24,930 Yeah, that one is so curious. Lord title is a title used in 152 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:30,520 Jesus's day, not just for Jesus, but for like masters, Lords. 153 00:09:30,530 --> 00:09:33,060 Like these were people who had authority over you, who could 154 00:09:33,070 --> 00:09:35,660 tell you where to go and where not to go, what to do and what 155 00:09:35,670 --> 00:09:40,770 not to do. And like Jesus is a time and 156 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:45,330 culture and language is steeped in master slave or master 157 00:09:45,340 --> 00:09:49,590 servant relationship. Now, you know, we hear slave and 158 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:56,020 we have a very likely a very not by a biased in a bad way, but 159 00:09:56,030 --> 00:10:00,300 biased or just we could read that historically, culturally a 160 00:10:00,310 --> 00:10:05,460 certain way from our North American, you know, experience 161 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:11,770 and history of slavery. All of that not aside, but you 162 00:10:11,780 --> 00:10:16,470 know, for Jesus's day, for his culture, the language of Lord 163 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:22,290 and Master made sense as a way to talk about somebody who had 164 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:24,690 ultimate authority over you, right? 165 00:10:24,820 --> 00:10:28,370 And I think as Christians, like I do think the Lord that as 166 00:10:28,380 --> 00:10:33,130 title tends to, we tend to maybe over spiritualize it in in ways 167 00:10:33,140 --> 00:10:38,290 that are unhelpful that that's we think of that as a name for 168 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:43,060 Jesus or like spiritual title, like Lord and Savior, right? 169 00:10:43,110 --> 00:10:47,400 And so like immediately, it's just been spiritualized in a way 170 00:10:47,410 --> 00:10:52,180 that maybe doesn't have full implication of like the quite 171 00:10:52,190 --> 00:10:56,020 literal authority to say, Hey, do this, don't do this, go here, 172 00:10:56,030 --> 00:10:58,010 don't go here. Jesus. 173 00:10:58,750 --> 00:11:06,480 We named Jesus as King. I I, I think at least for me to 174 00:11:06,490 --> 00:11:14,880 call Jesus King means that I exist within his Kingdom, not my 175 00:11:14,890 --> 00:11:17,640 own Kingdom. Yeah, and that has more literal, 176 00:11:17,650 --> 00:11:24,420 immediate implications for my authority, non authority, and 177 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:30,000 Jesus is true, like authority over me and over all of life to 178 00:11:30,010 --> 00:11:33,680 say go here, don't go here, do this, don't go, don't do this. 179 00:11:33,810 --> 00:11:38,120 And so I do think they're distinct, like they are 180 00:11:38,170 --> 00:11:41,840 different titles for Jesus. Probably a little bit of overlap 181 00:11:41,850 --> 00:11:45,700 for sure, but I, I just think that was, I wanted to make sure 182 00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:50,190 I wasn't conflating the two and, and so, and so that is helpful 183 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,650 in, in, in answering which you've done a little bit of. 184 00:11:52,660 --> 00:11:56,130 But I, I know for me, like I, I have a better sense of even 185 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:59,470 though we are not, I guess we technically in Canada have a 186 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,200 king via King Charles. Yeah. 187 00:12:03,210 --> 00:12:08,960 But like we know that that's more of a, a figurehead in, in 188 00:12:08,970 --> 00:12:11,200 our, you know, in, in the, you know, Commonwealth. 189 00:12:11,210 --> 00:12:15,640 But we have a better framework for, for kings and, and good 190 00:12:15,650 --> 00:12:20,200 kings and bad kings and kings who have exercised good 191 00:12:20,210 --> 00:12:22,900 authority and judgment over there over their subjects and 192 00:12:22,910 --> 00:12:25,840 kings who have ruled reigns of terror. 193 00:12:25,850 --> 00:12:30,080 And you can read through any monarchy and, and see that. 194 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:36,810 And, and so it's, it's helpful for me when I look at Jesus as 195 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:43,310 King to see that Jesus is the best, the best kind of king, a 196 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:50,610 benevolent king, one who is after our best interests, one 197 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:59,370 who is truly selfless, right, one who is, is looking to 198 00:13:01,250 --> 00:13:06,150 looking for the, for the greater good for all, all people, right. 199 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:15,560 And, and so when I look at Jesus as King, I I think about, I 200 00:13:15,570 --> 00:13:22,600 think about a, a Kingdom that is saturated in the person who we 201 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:25,180 call king, right? And so when that person, when 202 00:13:25,190 --> 00:13:31,030 that person is king, when that person is exercising their 203 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,930 leadership and showing who they are and revealing their 204 00:13:35,940 --> 00:13:42,640 character, they are indicating this is the way that I want this 205 00:13:42,650 --> 00:13:43,780 to be. And so when we look at the 206 00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:47,610 person of Jesus, we see his, his, his compassion for the 207 00:13:47,620 --> 00:13:52,920 least of these. When we, we see his love for the 208 00:13:52,930 --> 00:14:00,500 rejects, we see his compassion and zeal for even those who are 209 00:14:00,570 --> 00:14:03,540 on the just on the margins And, and they, he wants to bring them 210 00:14:03,550 --> 00:14:08,300 in and also for justice, right? That there is a, there's a 211 00:14:08,310 --> 00:14:12,570 justice component that sometimes is, as we see even in this 212 00:14:12,580 --> 00:14:15,010 passage here, there's a, there's a part where like when light 213 00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:18,270 gets exposed, sometimes it's good, sometimes it's scary. 214 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:24,470 And, and a good king and a good Kingdom will bring justice in 215 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,470 those areas where the light is exposed and it's bad and it's, 216 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,070 and needs to be corrected, right. 217 00:14:29,180 --> 00:14:32,210 So I mean just a few thoughts off the top of my head. 218 00:14:32,260 --> 00:14:35,510 Yeah. For for me, one of the things 219 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:43,490 that it means necessarily declare Jesus King means like 220 00:14:43,500 --> 00:14:47,660 you get these yet these goofy like, you know, movies where 221 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:49,670 you're like, are you going to bend the knee? 222 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,800 Like will you bow before me? Right? 223 00:14:51,810 --> 00:14:56,660 You get this like, you know, almost comedic dramatic riffs 224 00:14:56,670 --> 00:15:02,060 on, you know, power and abuse of abuse of power and in some ways. 225 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,920 And then you get like Lord of the Rings, like that the third 226 00:15:06,930 --> 00:15:09,780 book in Tolkien's trilogy, The Return of the King. 227 00:15:09,830 --> 00:15:14,530 And like, there's this long-awaited return of the true 228 00:15:14,540 --> 00:15:17,850 rightful king who will bring, like you've said, like justice 229 00:15:17,860 --> 00:15:21,570 to the nations. And you know, like Tolkien 230 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,670 there, there's just spiritual, like Christian theology and and 231 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:30,150 imagery strewn throughout that whole series. 232 00:15:31,470 --> 00:15:35,160 But I think that in what I hope the best way possible, when I 233 00:15:35,450 --> 00:15:41,250 think of Jesus as King, that immediately leads me to think 234 00:15:41,310 --> 00:15:45,470 through, OK, how do I need to submit to this king? 235 00:15:46,250 --> 00:15:51,600 Because if this, if this is who the true king is, then it 236 00:15:51,610 --> 00:15:56,500 immediately like if Jesus is king, that immediately means I 237 00:15:56,510 --> 00:15:58,610 am not king. Yeah. 238 00:15:58,910 --> 00:16:04,140 And we like, I think human beings like, and I mean in, in 239 00:16:04,150 --> 00:16:07,960 many ways, like you can go all the way back to Adam and Eve in 240 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,290 Genesis, like the beginning of the book and things like we like 241 00:16:13,340 --> 00:16:19,310 to rule our own little kingdoms and our bent in that direction. 242 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,270 Like we're naturally inclined to want to be the little kings of 243 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,650 our little kingdoms. And you know, I used that like 244 00:16:27,660 --> 00:16:29,600 little there. That's not even, that's not 245 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:31,890 like, it's not even bad or like derogatory. 246 00:16:31,900 --> 00:16:37,080 I'm just saying they're little tiny versions of what God is 247 00:16:37,090 --> 00:16:41,260 trying to do, you know, throughout the entire world. 248 00:16:41,310 --> 00:16:44,600 And we're like, yeah, but I just want my own piece here. 249 00:16:44,610 --> 00:16:47,720 So like, when I think through how is Jesus King? 250 00:16:47,730 --> 00:16:50,820 How is he not? Or even like, where is Jesus 251 00:16:50,830 --> 00:16:53,300 King in my life? Where is he not? 252 00:16:54,450 --> 00:17:00,960 Submission becomes the language that I like to use personally 253 00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:04,240 because it really challenges me. Like what am I willing to submit 254 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:09,079 and kind of open handedly give over to Jesus and say this area 255 00:17:09,089 --> 00:17:10,990 of my life? You do whatever you need to do, 256 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,859 like expose the light. If it's good, great, and if it's 257 00:17:14,869 --> 00:17:19,710 bad, great with an asterisk, right. 258 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,470 But like Lindsey had that line or so like it, it will be for 259 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,359 good. Like even where where the 260 00:17:24,369 --> 00:17:27,530 Kingdom, even where the gospel exposes the light exposes what 261 00:17:27,540 --> 00:17:30,470 is bad. Like that's actually for like 262 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,290 toward life. It's not towards shame. 263 00:17:32,300 --> 00:17:35,310 It's not toward guilt. She listed it's so that you 264 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:40,210 would know life. So I look immediately like, what 265 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:43,290 are the things that I'm willing to just open handedly submit to 266 00:17:43,300 --> 00:17:44,770 Jesus? And what are the things that I 267 00:17:44,780 --> 00:17:49,610 go, Nope, I'm gonna hold on to this one and I'm not gonna like, 268 00:17:49,620 --> 00:17:52,640 you know, I want control here. So maybe control would be like 269 00:17:52,650 --> 00:17:58,410 another way in which I would think through, yeah, how am I 270 00:17:58,420 --> 00:18:01,010 actively declaring Jesus Christ to be king? 271 00:18:01,020 --> 00:18:05,070 How am I actively submitting to Jesus as king throughout my 272 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,940 entire life? Like where are the things that I 273 00:18:07,950 --> 00:18:11,480 still grasp for control and what are the things that I'm willing 274 00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:14,840 to let go of and just say, OK, like God, you clearly like you 275 00:18:14,850 --> 00:18:19,730 know best, so have at it. And I know if like if there's 276 00:18:19,790 --> 00:18:26,070 short term pain, like cliche, long term gain, no, but like I, 277 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:32,060 I know and I trust that that ultimately God is good, you 278 00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:35,940 know, So, so that's the control controls. 279 00:18:35,950 --> 00:18:41,100 And I think another language for helping me identify what areas 280 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:43,920 I'm actively surrendering and what areas I'm actively not 281 00:18:43,930 --> 00:18:48,620 surrendering or how I'm declaring Jesus King actively 282 00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:51,140 over all of it. So like my like, there are these 283 00:18:51,150 --> 00:18:54,640 hot topics, right? So money would be, would be a 284 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:58,680 probably like a likely even litmus test for people. 285 00:18:58,690 --> 00:19:03,840 Like, is it something that you want absolute control over? 286 00:19:04,410 --> 00:19:06,980 Is it something that you're willing to let go of? 287 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:10,540 Is it something that you're allowing Jesus to direct? 288 00:19:10,590 --> 00:19:14,040 Or is it something that you're like, let me deal with 90% of it 289 00:19:14,050 --> 00:19:19,080 and you can direct the 10% of it, You know, So all of those 290 00:19:19,090 --> 00:19:21,900 things I, I think are just helpful examples. 291 00:19:21,910 --> 00:19:25,520 For and it's it's interesting that you know, your we, we had 292 00:19:25,530 --> 00:19:27,960 very different answers there. And I think that, you know, 293 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:31,020 showcases a little bit of our personalities because my bench 294 00:19:31,030 --> 00:19:36,160 is, you know, and this is just a part of my my challenge. 295 00:19:36,170 --> 00:19:40,440 My struggle is when I hear, when I hear word like submit, I'm 296 00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:45,130 like, Nope, you know, and, and, and yet, and yet there is 297 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:53,130 something amazing about a, a good king that is worthy of the 298 00:19:53,140 --> 00:19:56,730 of, of submitting to right. And, and that is, that is an 299 00:19:56,740 --> 00:19:59,470 area where where I, I can say, you know, like when we, you 300 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,670 know, sing a like a hymn, like I surrender all. 301 00:20:02,740 --> 00:20:07,010 It's like I can look at Jesus and and and at least at least in 302 00:20:07,020 --> 00:20:13,010 my mind, I can say that is someone worthy of offering my 303 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,150 my, you know, to quote another him like my heart, my mind, my 304 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,970 all right, and that's, you know, like but that it takes me a 305 00:20:20,980 --> 00:20:22,680 little bit to get there. Right. 306 00:20:22,770 --> 00:20:26,380 And and so, yeah, when it talks about like money, I'm like close 307 00:20:26,390 --> 00:20:31,120 fist I I like stuff, I want stuff and work it. 308 00:20:31,130 --> 00:20:34,680 It's a it's a lifelong process for me to start to just finger 309 00:20:34,690 --> 00:20:36,760 by finger just. Let go, right? 310 00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:42,520 Let go, yeah. 100% and I feel the same way and certainly like 311 00:20:42,530 --> 00:20:45,300 money is one that you just it naturally right? 312 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:50,240 You just go, Yep, no, but like it's for fear, for anxiety for 313 00:20:50,250 --> 00:20:52,940 whatever it is. But I think that's why, and I 314 00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:56,350 just want to before we jump to the to the next two questions, 315 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:59,990 like I think that's why I appreciate these questions and 316 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,490 conversations because they do showcase that both of our 317 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:09,530 answers are good and correct and actually necessary. 318 00:21:09,660 --> 00:21:13,530 Because like, so you start off by saying, I can, I can see 319 00:21:13,540 --> 00:21:16,490 where Jesus is a good king. Like Jesus is the ultimate 320 00:21:16,540 --> 00:21:22,210 example of a good king because of AB and C So justice, love for 321 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,990 widows and orphans, how he cared for those who are sick and cast 322 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,590 out evil spirits. And like, you start listing 323 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,910 these things that aren't aspirational, like virtues for 324 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,750 us to someday attain if we're good enough, But like they 325 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,470 demonstrate the goodness of who God is and they demonstrate the 326 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,650 character of Jesus as King. And in many ways, that's why 327 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,110 Jesus is the only one who can actually who can demand 328 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,270 submission, right, is because he's the one who ultimately like 329 00:21:55,320 --> 00:22:03,440 submits himself to to God the Father as God the Son and who 330 00:22:03,450 --> 00:22:08,220 willingly dies that all of that an act of submission. 331 00:22:08,260 --> 00:22:12,250 Yeah. And so like, yeah, you start, 332 00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:16,740 start talking about you need both of those perspectives, I 333 00:22:16,750 --> 00:22:20,260 think, to get toward a healthier way to think about it. 334 00:22:21,050 --> 00:22:22,870 And when I reflect on it, like what? 335 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,940 Like the first lie, like the first deceit and the book, 336 00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:29,960 right. So you've got you've got the 337 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:36,790 devil who says, did God really say to Adam and Eve? 338 00:22:36,860 --> 00:22:42,030 Did God really say like, does He really know what's best for you? 339 00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:46,480 Are you sure you can trust Him? Is He really worth listening to 340 00:22:46,610 --> 00:22:48,630 and submitting to? Yeah. 341 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,510 And like, from the very beginning, that's the lie, that 342 00:22:51,580 --> 00:22:58,290 that God doesn't actually have your best in mind, that he's not 343 00:22:58,300 --> 00:23:00,850 worth trusting. And so you start off by saying, 344 00:23:00,860 --> 00:23:06,810 like, no, like, Jesus is the best version of what we would 345 00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:10,080 call king. He's the one who gets to define 346 00:23:10,090 --> 00:23:11,790 what it means to be king. That's why. 347 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,270 So anyways, I appreciate that that's where you start. 348 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,290 All right. Next. 349 00:23:15,380 --> 00:23:18,050 So yeah, what does it mean to call Jesus King? 350 00:23:18,060 --> 00:23:20,240 And in your own life, what does it mean to call Jesus king? 351 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:25,120 Where might you not be? Allowing Jesus to be king would 352 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:31,900 be the most challenging version of that question #2 So I've got 353 00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:37,620 these list of other gospels that Lindsey listed, so. 354 00:23:37,660 --> 00:23:39,750 Yeah, that was that was heavy. Well, right, great. 355 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,480 That was good, that was good. And I love that she didn't leave 356 00:23:42,490 --> 00:23:44,020 it hanging. Like there are these other 357 00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:46,800 gospels, like what other kind? And then she's like, well, let 358 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:50,080 me name some for you. So I think this is a good tag on 359 00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:54,340 from the first question, but she says gospel of self, gospel of 360 00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:56,960 achievement, gospel of appearance. 361 00:23:57,050 --> 00:23:59,710 And then there's also others like Gospel of hate and 362 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,170 oppression. And I love that she also named 363 00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:06,550 like a gospel of apathy. Hmm, like can't do anything 364 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,370 about it anyways. Why do any of it? 365 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:16,530 So Jesus, she said Jesus got Jesus Gospel reveals cracks in 366 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,100 those kingdoms, those other kingdoms, those other gospels 367 00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:25,470 cracks like how they enslave us and lead to death and never life 368 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,660 shit. Just great lines man. 369 00:24:28,450 --> 00:24:34,780 And I guess the one of the questions that I just naturally 370 00:24:34,790 --> 00:24:39,520 start asking is, OK, what are some of the gospels that we can 371 00:24:39,530 --> 00:24:48,560 allow to creep into our own life and culture and life as a 372 00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:54,150 community and church? I I think I don't know that it's 373 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,860 like a gospel necessarily, but I think fear is a big driver of 374 00:24:59,870 --> 00:25:02,880 which gospel we follow. Yeah. 375 00:25:03,650 --> 00:25:11,300 So that's one that I see. And you know, I think I'm not 376 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:13,960 gonna list these like in any order. 377 00:25:14,010 --> 00:25:18,440 I think, you know, maybe we're bent toward different ones, all 378 00:25:18,450 --> 00:25:21,880 of us. But I think the the gospel of 379 00:25:21,890 --> 00:25:30,170 self is probably one of the most rampant dangerous ones that I 380 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:32,610 see. Like if there's like a gospel of 381 00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:38,690 secularism, I think that's it. Like it's, it's this itself. 382 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,050 It's a gospel of. Self and it but and it shows up 383 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:45,310 in, you know, in in the church walls and it shows up in in US 384 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,370 right. And so it's not, it's not just 385 00:25:47,380 --> 00:25:52,940 something that others, you know, others deal with. 386 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,930 Yeah, yeah. So here's a, a specific question 387 00:25:56,000 --> 00:26:04,450 that we can put in, uh, what do you think are some techniques or 388 00:26:04,460 --> 00:26:11,770 ways in which we could identify some of the false gospels that 389 00:26:11,780 --> 00:26:17,160 we are potentially listening to? I think it's easy to name them 390 00:26:17,170 --> 00:26:21,240 out there, right? Like, you know, people don't go 391 00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:24,840 to church, they're just falling prey to the gospel of this or 392 00:26:24,850 --> 00:26:27,080 that. Like that's, it's so easy to 393 00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:30,740 just do that. Or like that person is living 394 00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:34,780 this version of this gospel. It's a lot, maybe a lot harder 395 00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:40,060 to go, OK, what might I be like, you know, wrestling with? 396 00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:45,290 So yeah, I'm curious on some thoughts around how like how we 397 00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,330 identify them generally. I think there's a, a good, a 398 00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:54,950 good litmus test. I think we could go on to our 399 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,860 phones or tablets and look at the the apps that we use the 400 00:27:01,870 --> 00:27:03,520 most. Screen time, man. 401 00:27:03,530 --> 00:27:07,410 Yeah, because it'll go and tell you you've been on TikTok for 8 402 00:27:07,420 --> 00:27:10,870 hours this week or you've been, you know, like and, and I think 403 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,310 that that can be a bit of a mirror, right? 404 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,680 And like for me, it's, you know, it's, it's often it's if you few 405 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:21,490 years ago it was Twitter. I, I would say I found an 406 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:29,310 identity in having a social media presence and being like a 407 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,290 I don't even know what I call myself. 408 00:27:31,300 --> 00:27:33,650 I wasn't influencer. I was not like nothing like 409 00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:38,010 that, but I, I found some core identity there, right. 410 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,950 I've, I've all but quit. I've quit the game. 411 00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:46,210 I love it, but where I just made it a conscious decision, say I'm 412 00:27:46,220 --> 00:27:48,490 not gonna play that game anymore, I'm done with it. 413 00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:54,670 But like, I think that's a really simple way to start to 414 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,590 look internally. Yeah, go onto your online 415 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,830 banking. That's another that's another 416 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,030 one. I and I know that that that's a 417 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,860 that's a scary that's a scary one for us, you know, or I can 418 00:28:05,870 --> 00:28:09,470 look at me like I spent how much on. 419 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600 Amazon. Yeah, whatever. 420 00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:16,930 And sometimes sometimes necessary things, but often very 421 00:28:16,980 --> 00:28:20,510 not necessary things, right. And, and so like there are some 422 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,890 simple ways for for like just it's, it's, it's a, it's a lamp 423 00:28:24,900 --> 00:28:28,590 being illuminated, right. And sometimes we prefer to live 424 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,440 in the darkness. So like there's there was a 425 00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:33,080 while where I was like, I'm gonna turn screen time off 426 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:35,260 because I want to live in the darkness. 427 00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:38,420 OK. So that's brilliant that. 428 00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:39,450 It wasn't. Brilliant. 429 00:28:39,460 --> 00:28:43,180 No, no, not turning it off that point is like double down on 430 00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:47,500 that point because that I think that brings it into immediate 431 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:52,000 connection with Lindsey Sermon in this passage, which is you 432 00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:57,560 can choose to live in the dark. You can choose in a sense apathy 433 00:28:57,770 --> 00:29:01,010 that got gospel of apathy. It's not like you're just 434 00:29:01,020 --> 00:29:03,550 falling prey to it. Somebody else, Like you can 435 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,910 choose to not revisit all your purchases at the end of the 436 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,190 month and add it all up. And really be honest, you can 437 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,690 choose to turn screen time off. Which and just be oblivious to 438 00:29:15,740 --> 00:29:18,290 how much time you spend on anything. 439 00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:24,060 And I I've, I'm reforming. I'm I'm. 440 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:27,580 Me too, me too. We're, you know, working on it 441 00:29:27,670 --> 00:29:32,060 and, and, and you know, like God, God is, you know, I'm 442 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:37,360 stubborn. God is slowly refining my heart 443 00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:40,520 to, to say like, Hey, you don't need that. 444 00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:45,630 You know, you don't need, you don't need to listen or watch a 445 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,900 YouTube video while you shower, you know, like just just be, be 446 00:29:49,910 --> 00:29:52,040 in the moment and just do what you're doing. 447 00:29:52,110 --> 00:29:56,130 You know, like there's, there's something that I'm, you know, 448 00:29:56,140 --> 00:29:59,560 that I'm sort of trying to press into a bit more of these days in 449 00:29:59,570 --> 00:30:01,330 that way. And and yeah. 450 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,980 Yeah, I love that, like single focused activities. 451 00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:05,330 Yeah, right. Yeah. 452 00:30:05,340 --> 00:30:09,150 We live in a constant age of like partial attention. 453 00:30:09,260 --> 00:30:12,770 So we always say like, wow, like constantly distracted. 454 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,920 But I think that's harder. Again, it's the the blame, as it 455 00:30:17,930 --> 00:30:23,160 were, on external sources that. Which they all want us to do it 456 00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:27,320 right because it feeds the ad revenue and all the things 457 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:29,680 right. So there is an external force, 458 00:30:29,970 --> 00:30:33,000 but also. When I say partial attention, 459 00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:36,770 that makes me own it more. And I think that the third thing 460 00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:41,190 that I would add to yours, which so and I love how concrete that 461 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,530 is, but I would say like where your attention is, your 462 00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:49,370 affection will be like your affection will follow your 463 00:30:49,380 --> 00:30:54,680 attention and or in other ways like your attention will direct 464 00:30:54,690 --> 00:30:58,140 your affection. So what is getting your 465 00:30:58,150 --> 00:31:03,890 attention and what is getting your affection is a crucial 466 00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:06,610 question to answer and be honest about. 467 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,630 And I think the only way to be fully honest about that is to 468 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,810 bring somebody else into the conversation. 469 00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,290 Otherwise it's easy just to be like, I'm gonna ignore that 470 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,550 part, right? Like the screen time, I'm gonna 471 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,790 flip it off. But as soon as you name it with 472 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,890 somebody, you're like, oh, no, it's hard in the best way 473 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:26,570 possible. Like you've turned the light on 474 00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:29,200 or allowed the light to be turned on here. 475 00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:31,090 Like time to get to. Work. 476 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:34,760 So I turned it back on and I said I Lindsey, our preacher 477 00:31:34,770 --> 00:31:38,380 yesterday and also my wife. Yeah, I said here, I need you to 478 00:31:38,390 --> 00:31:40,320 put in a password here so I can't turn it. 479 00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:41,400 Off. I love it. 480 00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:43,900 Oh, I absolutely love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 481 00:31:43,950 --> 00:31:49,920 So first question, second question, pay attention to other 482 00:31:49,930 --> 00:31:55,900 gospels and help wrestle through yourself for others what those 483 00:31:55,910 --> 00:31:57,940 might be. Identify those things. 484 00:31:57,950 --> 00:32:01,670 I love how concrete those are. The last question that I think 485 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,120 would be fun for people to wrestle their way through and 486 00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:09,750 and talk through is toward wrapping up. 487 00:32:10,940 --> 00:32:16,080 Lindsey had a couple lines that talked around the word of God 488 00:32:16,090 --> 00:32:20,270 being heard, being received and then being acted upon. 489 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:28,730 And it it was in this, this pulling back from Isaiah 6, but 490 00:32:28,740 --> 00:32:34,490 then also Isaiah 9 where we talk about the I think she also named 491 00:32:34,500 --> 00:32:38,910 Proverbs wisdom like the wise seek greater wisdom, right? 492 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,890 And how inside of the Kingdom. What Jesus is talking about when 493 00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:45,850 he says, when we use the language, like lean in, when he 494 00:32:45,860 --> 00:32:48,490 uses the language, listen, really listen. 495 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,130 Like what he's getting at is don't be afraid of whether 496 00:32:52,140 --> 00:32:54,120 you've heard or not. Don't be afraid about whether 497 00:32:54,130 --> 00:32:57,750 you like listen or not. Actively pursue listening. 498 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:02,830 Actively pursue leaning in. Those who lean in will discover 499 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,710 more. Those who attempt to listen will 500 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,010 hear. Like there's an inclination 501 00:33:08,020 --> 00:33:11,130 toward this that we're supposed to have that meant to have. 502 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:18,320 And again, in, in 2 questions, how do we listen? 503 00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:26,100 And also how are we listening? Because again, I think there's a 504 00:33:26,110 --> 00:33:28,240 difference here. Like we can have this 505 00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:33,940 aspirational conversation around how do we listen without maybe 506 00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:39,620 having the honest conversation about how we are listening. 507 00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:42,700 Like currently, currently. Am I a good listener in this 508 00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:43,680 moment? Yeah. 509 00:33:43,690 --> 00:33:45,880 And and like I know that for a long time. 510 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:52,150 Like for me, I could have these aspirational conversations that 511 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:58,680 are good and great, but then it fails to have the actual honest 512 00:33:58,690 --> 00:34:05,690 conversation of OK, but am I? So how are we listening? 513 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:14,960 I think becomes such a crucial question and one of the things 514 00:34:14,969 --> 00:34:16,580 that I've heard, and I'll just throw this out there. 515 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,690 Yeah, as as we kind of we think through this and toward a wrap 516 00:34:20,699 --> 00:34:28,500 up, here is somebody once said to me, your like the degree to 517 00:34:28,510 --> 00:34:33,380 which you are listening to God can be revealed by the degree to 518 00:34:33,389 --> 00:34:35,739 which you're willing to say yes to God. 519 00:34:37,860 --> 00:34:43,670 Like, when was the last time you said, yeah, I'm not necessarily 520 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,310 asking you this, but generally, when was the last time you said 521 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,730 yes to God in a very concrete, tangible way, Yeah. 522 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,530 And the question could be, well, if someone might say, well, I I 523 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,150 haven't heard something to respond yes to, it's like, well. 524 00:35:00,380 --> 00:35:01,340 Bingo. Bingo. 525 00:35:01,350 --> 00:35:03,390 That's right. Yeah. 526 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:09,010 Yeah. So I, I feel in inadequate to 527 00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:15,750 answer this question, but I, I will say, um, one thing I've 528 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:22,700 been, I've been doing more and more is sitting in a chair. 529 00:35:22,770 --> 00:35:26,260 I have a comfy chair that I got after my back surgery last year 530 00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:28,960 and I sit in that chair with my coffee. 531 00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:34,900 And now I actually will do this with devices sometimes because 532 00:35:34,910 --> 00:35:37,800 I'll, I'll put in I'll put in like my air pods and noise 533 00:35:37,810 --> 00:35:42,360 cancelling so that I can just like not hear the cat meowing or 534 00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:46,840 whatever, right. And I will, I will sit there and 535 00:35:46,850 --> 00:35:49,750 I will like do some real good deep breathing. 536 00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:53,240 You know, like I think there is, there is a physiological 537 00:35:53,250 --> 00:35:57,900 component to when you like slow your like the oxygen to your 538 00:35:57,910 --> 00:36:00,800 brain a little bit, right. There is something physiological 539 00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:05,830 that allows for like just to be present with yourself and God. 540 00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:11,780 And sometimes it'll be a combo of say like scripture or say 541 00:36:11,790 --> 00:36:17,450 like Electio 365 or, or prayer or whatever. 542 00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:19,530 I know that you're a big journaler. 543 00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:24,150 I'm, I'm not even yet an aspirational journal or maybe, 544 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,120 maybe at some point, but I, you know, just being, being able to 545 00:36:30,130 --> 00:36:35,640 sit there and to listen and to just like not be distracted to 546 00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:39,200 put in myself in a spot where I, you know, the do not disturb is 547 00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:40,940 on. I'm not going to get texts. 548 00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:46,440 I'm not going to like to just be comfortable and just, you know, 549 00:36:46,450 --> 00:36:49,440 maybe maybe God isn't gonna drop something earth shattering. 550 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,970 Yeah, maybe he will. Yep. 551 00:36:52,020 --> 00:36:57,510 You know, and, and to be ready for when that happens, that that 552 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,070 at a bare minimum, we want, we need to allow ourselves to be 553 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,030 poised and ready for God to to speak and for them to us to 554 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,310 respond. Yeah, I absolutely love that. 555 00:37:11,410 --> 00:37:15,200 And so much of my practice is, is quite similar. 556 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,390 It it's funny. So I'm flipping back through my 557 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,890 notebook like this is my notebook that I carry around 558 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,880 everywhere. And so like I can flip back 559 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:29,850 through morning and evening chunks that I've written. 560 00:37:31,300 --> 00:37:36,850 One of the things that I've started doing is actually that 561 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,090 keeping track of the time, like the amount of time that I've 562 00:37:42,100 --> 00:37:46,580 been able to sit in silence. So I think silence and solitude 563 00:37:46,590 --> 00:37:52,680 is so crucial for learning to listen to God because one of the 564 00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:56,340 things that you need to become comfortable with is silence. 565 00:37:56,350 --> 00:38:01,460 Like learn to be quiet and to steal your mind and to settle 566 00:38:01,470 --> 00:38:08,520 into be it prayer scripture from a place of quiet. 567 00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:13,380 And so one of the reasons why so for me that the two that I'll 568 00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:16,800 add, so silence and solitude, like you've mentioned journaling 569 00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:24,340 is because so often, way more often than not, I'm not even 570 00:38:24,350 --> 00:38:26,350 gonna give it a percentage. But if it was a percentage, 571 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,110 probably 99 point, whatever percent, like it's not gonna be 572 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,400 that like big booming voice that you're like, this was a word 573 00:38:34,410 --> 00:38:37,910 from God. But what I can start to see is 574 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:44,070 in the intentional moments of quiet, when I'm trying to 575 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:50,500 listen, I will write down what I think I'm hearing. 576 00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:59,040 And you know, once is once, and maybe that's enough. 577 00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:03,150 Maybe that was a word from God. This is like repeated patterns. 578 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,000 You know this thing. Very often look back, that is 579 00:39:06,010 --> 00:39:08,520 exactly it is. You're convinced me, maybe. 580 00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:11,860 Eventually one day, well, this is like my goal behind the whole 581 00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:14,570 podcast. How do I how do I convince 582 00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:17,700 people that journalists? But no, I just for me, it's So 583 00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:23,780 what I never appreciated is exactly that is just being able 584 00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:27,880 to look back and go, Oh God's, been saying the same thing me 585 00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:29,650 for a while. Like I need to. 586 00:39:29,660 --> 00:39:33,200 So, you know, doing this two-month experiment thing where 587 00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:37,510 like off my phone as absolute much as possible, which I think 588 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,550 is a great thing for everybody and got some rules and also some 589 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,290 other people who are doing that alongside and I love that. 590 00:39:47,300 --> 00:39:49,050 Like it's like they're a bunch of people just like, hey, that 591 00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:54,560 sounds great. I'm in and one of the that that 592 00:39:54,570 --> 00:40:00,160 whole like angst for me was born out of actually like repeatedly 593 00:40:00,170 --> 00:40:04,330 seeing like I wish I wasn't as distracted or like. 594 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,670 You know, like, why do I, why do I, why am I constantly like, why 595 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,560 am I trying to do three things at the same time and I never 596 00:40:13,570 --> 00:40:15,330 feel like I'm fully engaged with? 597 00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:18,930 Like why do I walk away from like social gatherings? 598 00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:22,540 Like, man, I just didn't. Like I wish I had more 599 00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:24,890 meaningful conversation there. Like they're just these things 600 00:40:24,900 --> 00:40:26,520 that I started to notice all the way through. 601 00:40:26,530 --> 00:40:28,950 Like, you know, the main problem is my main problem is the phone. 602 00:40:29,010 --> 00:40:32,090 Like it's the constant partial distraction attention thing. 603 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:35,450 And so you know what? I'm gonna try something a little 604 00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:38,840 crazy and, you know, two months of it, We'll see how it goes. 605 00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:42,110 But that for me, it was born out of that repeated. 606 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640 Like, I wonder if this is not just my own angst. 607 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:47,680 And I wonder if this is like, hey, guys, trying to get a hold 608 00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:50,200 of me in some very specific way. And we'll see. 609 00:40:50,210 --> 00:40:51,760 I don't know. But it was borne out of that 610 00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:54,540 consistent, like, yeah, thought through. 611 00:40:54,550 --> 00:41:00,360 But I would say more important than that, learn, practice, 612 00:41:00,430 --> 00:41:04,110 become comfortable with silence because that's where you're 613 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,000 gonna hear. So three questions for you to 614 00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:07,770 think about. Yeah. 615 00:41:07,780 --> 00:41:10,320 And discuss this week. We'll try to put them in the 616 00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:17,160 video as well as in the description of the YouTube 617 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:20,610 description and the podcast description so that you can take 618 00:41:20,620 --> 00:41:24,770 them into your week. And we do hope that you will 619 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,930 continue to do that, to take these questions, to take these 620 00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:32,910 discussions into your week with family or friends, loved ones, 621 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,570 and we'll see you next time. Have a wonderful week.