1 00:00:00,570 --> 00:00:04,440 Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of the Sunday Sit down 2 00:00:04,450 --> 00:00:08,280 where it's not Sunday, but we're here sitting down talking about 3 00:00:08,590 --> 00:00:16,850 this past Sunday, this very lengthy passage that that I had 4 00:00:16,860 --> 00:00:24,540 the privilege, we'll call it a walking us through it was it was 5 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:28,720 your idea to draw in and I think it was the right call. 6 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:32,090 So I'm not like, I'm not like lobbying a, you know, I'm not 7 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,110 blaming you. But it was more of it was, it 8 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,810 was your idea to, to, to throw in the beginning of, of Luke 9 00:00:37,820 --> 00:00:41,970 Chapter 12 in addition to the end of Luke Chapter 11. 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,190 It was the right call. It was the right thing to do. 11 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,330 It all came together. But it was, it was a lot, yeah. 12 00:00:48,380 --> 00:00:50,110 It was a lot, it was a lot of heavy lifting. 13 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,210 So I thought, no, I thought you did a great job. 14 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:55,160 It came together really well. And this is just another another 15 00:00:55,170 --> 00:01:01,190 example of, I think, you know, worth noting as we were sitting 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:06,500 studying the passage a week ago, like last Monday, we read 17 00:01:06,510 --> 00:01:08,260 through to the end of Chapter 11. 18 00:01:08,590 --> 00:01:12,320 Like this doesn't feel resolved. And just felt like it leaves you 19 00:01:12,330 --> 00:01:14,540 hanging in a way that's maybe unhelpful. 20 00:01:14,790 --> 00:01:18,540 And one of the questions that we ask ourselves and that I want us 21 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:21,500 constantly challenging ourselves with is like, where is the 22 00:01:21,510 --> 00:01:23,580 gospel? How are we preaching the gospel 23 00:01:23,730 --> 00:01:25,720 every single time we get up to preach? 24 00:01:26,130 --> 00:01:31,460 And so, you know, be it through very explicit, easy to see and 25 00:01:31,470 --> 00:01:35,430 understand. Yep, that that is absolutely 26 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,230 like, you know, passages about Jesus, death and resurrection. 27 00:01:40,420 --> 00:01:46,930 How, you know, beyond that, how do we see the gospel kind of 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:52,000 coming out in all of the way Luke is writing and in all of 29 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:54,770 the interactions with Jesus and then how Jesus is speaking and 30 00:01:54,780 --> 00:01:57,540 teaching and preaching? Because I think that that's, you 31 00:01:57,550 --> 00:02:00,970 know, to, to, to just simply say, like there are two camps 32 00:02:00,980 --> 00:02:03,350 when you ask people what the gospel is, there are kind of two 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,440 camps in, in Protestantism right now. 34 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:09,330 And one will say, well, it's, it's Jesus's death and his 35 00:02:09,340 --> 00:02:11,170 resurrection. It's atonement theory. 36 00:02:11,180 --> 00:02:14,150 It's how you understand forgiveness of sins, period. 37 00:02:14,220 --> 00:02:17,150 And then there's another camp which says, no, it's, it's, it 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,330 is all of that. It's Jesus's death, it's his 39 00:02:19,340 --> 00:02:21,180 resurrection. It's, it's atonement theory. 40 00:02:21,190 --> 00:02:23,130 It's how you understand forgiveness for sins. 41 00:02:23,540 --> 00:02:26,790 And it is the way he lived his life and the teachings he gave 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,260 and the Kingdom that he brought. And as he lived, he brings the 43 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:30,970 Kingdom. Like for Jesus to arrive is for 44 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:35,170 the Kingdom to arrive, all of the ways of the world that he is 45 00:02:35,180 --> 00:02:39,330 turning upside down, subverting or overthrowing as he lives and 46 00:02:39,340 --> 00:02:42,530 teaches and challenges and rebukes, like all of it is the 47 00:02:42,540 --> 00:02:43,410 gospel. Yeah. 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,890 And I'm in the second camp. Like, I'm in that camp where, 49 00:02:46,540 --> 00:02:48,610 you know, yes, it's his death and his resurrection. 50 00:02:48,620 --> 00:02:50,680 But when I talk about the gospel, I think when we talk 51 00:02:50,690 --> 00:02:53,450 about the gospel, we're talking about so much more. 52 00:02:53,660 --> 00:02:57,730 If this is to say the gospel is really to say the life of Jesus, 53 00:02:57,740 --> 00:03:00,550 all of it. And so we got to the end of that 54 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,240 passage in 11, the end of the chapter. 55 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:05,100 We're like, well, like, where's the gospel? 56 00:03:05,110 --> 00:03:09,240 Where's the turn toward hope and where's the like, you know, 57 00:03:09,250 --> 00:03:14,020 let's not leave ourselves in this fear kind of moment, but 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,640 what does Jesus speak into the fear? 59 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:18,780 And that's that, that's that turn in 12. 60 00:03:19,790 --> 00:03:22,520 So he's like, sometimes you gotta slow down and do a single 61 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:26,520 verse and sometimes you gotta straddle 2 chat 2 chapters and 62 00:03:26,530 --> 00:03:29,480 finish 11 and launch into 12 in a significant way. 63 00:03:29,570 --> 00:03:31,660 And this is where we're going to end like we're we're done with 64 00:03:31,670 --> 00:03:34,620 Luke now through till Christmas, like till till the new Year. 65 00:03:36,020 --> 00:03:39,070 So that's, you know, I don't think that'll surprise anybody, 66 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,970 but I think it was a good place to end so. 67 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,070 Yeah, better, better than, you know, the Pharisees and teachers 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,890 of the law conspiring to bring Jesus down, you know. 69 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:50,780 And then Merry Christmas. Exactly right. 70 00:03:50,790 --> 00:03:51,910 Yeah. So it it did. 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,390 It resolves it in a way that Jesus pushes against fear and 72 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,630 says, hey, like, don't, don't fear these bozos. 73 00:03:58,850 --> 00:04:01,390 They don't know what they're doing anymore than like anybody 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,190 else does. Would you be OK if I called them 75 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,430 bozos yesterday? I would have. 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,390 Been OK, OK, cool. Just, you know, like just for 77 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,800 future reference, maybe, maybe that comes up and yeah. 78 00:04:08,810 --> 00:04:11,030 Yeah, great. Then he says, I'll tell you who 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,390 should. You should really fear. 80 00:04:13,100 --> 00:04:16,390 Fear this guy who after you've died like can throw you into 81 00:04:16,399 --> 00:04:20,120 hell. And they said, but do not be 82 00:04:20,130 --> 00:04:22,220 afraid. I tell you, do not be afraid. 83 00:04:22,310 --> 00:04:26,060 O it's this great logical sort of March, like, hey, don't fear 84 00:04:26,070 --> 00:04:28,380 these guys. If you want to be afraid, I'll 85 00:04:28,390 --> 00:04:32,520 tell you who you should fear. But guess what, that doesn't 86 00:04:32,530 --> 00:04:35,120 even cause you fear follower of Jesus. 87 00:04:35,180 --> 00:04:37,500 Yeah. So what Jesus says is if you're 88 00:04:37,510 --> 00:04:38,700 not. So it was. 89 00:04:38,710 --> 00:04:42,820 That was a great logical March. But it does lead into one of the 90 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:46,050 questions that we received from someone who was here on Sunday 91 00:04:46,060 --> 00:04:47,200 and. Questions that we had. 92 00:04:47,270 --> 00:04:48,680 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 93 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:51,230 So you mentioned in the sermon, and I think this is where we'll 94 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:57,880 start, that that person, you know, who Jesus points toward 95 00:04:57,890 --> 00:05:01,700 and says, I'll tell you who you should fear throughout church 96 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:03,380 history has shifted a little bit. 97 00:05:03,450 --> 00:05:08,960 O you mentioned early church history often thought that 98 00:05:08,970 --> 00:05:13,480 person to be Satan. Modern sort of later modern 99 00:05:13,490 --> 00:05:17,100 church history considers that person to be God. 100 00:05:17,390 --> 00:05:23,960 And I, I, you can see reading both of those like you, I can 101 00:05:23,970 --> 00:05:27,600 understand how a group of people would assume that Satan. 102 00:05:27,610 --> 00:05:31,180 I can also see how a group of people would assume that's God 103 00:05:31,250 --> 00:05:36,490 creates different challenges for the implication of that passage. 104 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:38,490 Yeah. So one of the questions is, and 105 00:05:38,500 --> 00:05:40,650 hey, I'm curious just to talk a little bit more about that 106 00:05:40,660 --> 00:05:43,570 tension. And, you know, how do we 107 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:47,070 understand, how do you come to understand that that person 108 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,770 Jesus is speaking about to be Satan? 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,670 So that's one. And then two, if it is Satan, 110 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,260 and here was the question that that we we received is, alright, 111 00:05:56,270 --> 00:05:58,350 let's talk a little bit about authority then. 112 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,810 And does Satan have authority to do what Jesus is saying? 113 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,490 Who's Jesus speaking to? Is this like, what we don't want 114 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:11,650 is for people to still be living in perpetual fear of ohhh, like 115 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,510 I could do all the right things and like think I'm a Christian 116 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,510 for my entire life and then die and find out Satan just got me. 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,570 Like what? What's going on with that? 118 00:06:20,580 --> 00:06:22,250 So how do we push against fear today? 119 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:27,310 So, so I think the first, the first thing to say is maybe even 120 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,640 before that, but even before the first thing is that like, yeah, 121 00:06:30,650 --> 00:06:35,040 this is this is complicated. Christians don't agree on the 122 00:06:35,050 --> 00:06:38,670 specifics of this matter and that's why it's great to have 123 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,820 these conversations, right. So first and foremost that 124 00:06:43,070 --> 00:06:46,880 secondly, I think it's worth it's worth saying, and I didn't 125 00:06:46,890 --> 00:06:50,520 say this yesterday because it just it maybe it was, maybe it 126 00:06:50,530 --> 00:06:55,670 was clear in my mind, but maybe maybe you know, it raises 127 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,680 questions for believers is, is that like when, when Jesus says 128 00:06:59,730 --> 00:07:02,240 I will show him, show you whom you should fear, fear him who 129 00:07:02,250 --> 00:07:04,940 after your body has been killed has authority to throw you into 130 00:07:04,950 --> 00:07:09,880 hell. I'm like that the question of 131 00:07:09,890 --> 00:07:13,400 who Jesus might be saying that to comes up right. 132 00:07:13,470 --> 00:07:15,420 Is he saying that to followers of Jesus? 133 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:16,840 Is he saying that to the Pharisees? 134 00:07:16,850 --> 00:07:20,100 Is he saying that to just the general group of people? 135 00:07:20,190 --> 00:07:26,120 And, and so I think it's worth saying this is not directed to a 136 00:07:26,130 --> 00:07:29,440 follower of Jesus who you're, you're living your life, you 137 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:32,850 know, just working toward following Jesus with all that 138 00:07:32,860 --> 00:07:34,720 you have. Like I, I don't think that there 139 00:07:34,730 --> 00:07:37,900 should ever be a surprise, you know, like that it was someone, 140 00:07:37,910 --> 00:07:40,440 someone dies and they thought they, you know, followed Jesus 141 00:07:40,450 --> 00:07:44,000 and they've lived their life for him in, in, in the ways that we 142 00:07:44,010 --> 00:07:47,800 know how and that they would be like, Oh yeah, just kidding. 143 00:07:47,810 --> 00:07:49,860 You know, like, no, absolutely not, right. 144 00:07:49,870 --> 00:07:54,080 Like I think that that is for me, that's clear that this is 145 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:58,630 not referring to the people who are committed to the things of 146 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,480 the Kingdom of God, that it is that, but rather this is a hinge 147 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:05,780 point in, in the Gospel of Luke here, right? 148 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:08,820 This is a hinge point for, for people where Jesus is sort of 149 00:08:08,830 --> 00:08:12,980 saying like, Hey, everyone here, there are thousands of you here, 150 00:08:12,990 --> 00:08:16,820 some of you Pharisees, some of you are skeptics, some of you 151 00:08:16,830 --> 00:08:20,500 are, some of you have been following me. 152 00:08:20,770 --> 00:08:25,120 He's and he's sort of giving a, a call out to them saying like, 153 00:08:25,130 --> 00:08:29,050 Hey, let's, let's make sure we understand the stakes here. 154 00:08:29,060 --> 00:08:33,789 Let's make sure we understand what is really what's really at 155 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,210 play here. And he's saying, don't fear 156 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,070 those who can just just just just destroy the body, fear the 157 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,610 one who can do more. Right? 158 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,610 So like that is, is my mind like the first thing we need to be 159 00:08:47,620 --> 00:08:50,870 very, very clear on that Jesus is sending this message out to 160 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,970 thousands of people saying like, Hey, I want to draw you in 161 00:08:54,980 --> 00:08:58,410 alignment with me. Here's the here's the the 162 00:08:58,420 --> 00:09:03,140 potential damning implication if you don't. 163 00:09:03,190 --> 00:09:04,480 Hmm. Yeah. 164 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:11,080 Yeah, so I, I look at, I look at Job, for example, and there's 165 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:14,100 this interaction between God and Satan. 166 00:09:14,250 --> 00:09:16,340 Whole bunch of angels show up in front of God. 167 00:09:16,350 --> 00:09:18,010 Satan's there. Super weird. 168 00:09:18,020 --> 00:09:21,870 Yeah, Yeah. So Earth and entire series of 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,790 podcasts on its own, Yeah. But you know, God asked Satan, 170 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,700 like, where have you been? And Satan's response is he's 171 00:09:30,710 --> 00:09:34,920 like, I've just, I've just returned, he says, from roaming 172 00:09:34,930 --> 00:09:37,390 throughout the earth, going back and forth on it. 173 00:09:37,660 --> 00:09:41,540 And then essentially what happens? 174 00:09:41,550 --> 00:09:45,730 So there there's this conversation where God asks, 175 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:47,930 like, have you considered my servant Job? 176 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,570 And basically what, what Satan is trying to get at is listen, 177 00:09:54,580 --> 00:09:58,270 like Joe, does Job fear God? Like does Job serve honor you 178 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,010 because he has all good things? Or is it really something that's 179 00:10:02,020 --> 00:10:03,670 going on inside of his heart and mind? 180 00:10:03,680 --> 00:10:07,030 Like has he been transformed? And so this kind of back and 181 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:11,430 forth and like you say, Satan says, like, listen, have you 182 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,610 put, have you not put a hedge around him and his entire 183 00:10:13,620 --> 00:10:16,370 household and like family and things like you've protected 184 00:10:16,380 --> 00:10:17,610 him, Like why wouldn't he fear you? 185 00:10:17,620 --> 00:10:20,590 Why wouldn't he serve you? And so Satan's given authority 186 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,840 there to then go ultimately what happens is is he says, like, 187 00:10:23,850 --> 00:10:26,380 give me authority to start putting this guy through the 188 00:10:26,390 --> 00:10:29,560 ringer and let's see what really happens. 189 00:10:29,630 --> 00:10:33,100 And so Joe was this person who like Satan takes him all the way 190 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:35,970 to the brink of death. And that's the interesting line 191 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:39,420 that I see there. Like So what, what what God says 192 00:10:39,430 --> 00:10:42,150 to Satan. So in in 12 chapter 1 of 12 193 00:10:42,620 --> 00:10:46,410 verse 12 rather of chapter 1 in Job, the Lord says to say very 194 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:50,570 well then everything he has is in your power, but on the man 195 00:10:50,580 --> 00:10:54,250 himself do not lay a finger. It's interesting. 196 00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:57,100 Right, which is just so, so, so I like, I, I hear what you're 197 00:10:57,110 --> 00:11:01,270 saying is like Jesus is speaking to many, many, many people. 198 00:11:01,460 --> 00:11:04,650 And in part, I think what he is, he's trying to warn them. 199 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:09,130 Like don't be afraid, don't live in fear of of these guys who 200 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:12,710 have control over your bodies and only your bodies who are 201 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,710 trying to, who are trying to exert control over your bodies 202 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,030 and what you like, how you gain righteousness or not, who is in, 203 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,690 who is out, all like very human things. 204 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:30,070 Fear. Fear one who has more authority 205 00:11:30,740 --> 00:11:35,560 over the things that are spiritual and not just physical, 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Um. Still gets at the struggle 207 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:42,600 though. Of of what and what, What kind 208 00:11:42,610 --> 00:11:47,130 of authority? How much authority Satan as a, 209 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:50,210 as a, an entity has, right? Because I think that some 210 00:11:50,220 --> 00:11:54,480 people, you know, and there's lots of camps on on different 211 00:11:54,490 --> 00:11:57,240 ends of this perspective perspective that would offer 212 00:11:57,290 --> 00:12:00,600 that, you know, Satan has no authority, right? 213 00:12:00,650 --> 00:12:03,200 Yeah. Has no authority to do anything, 214 00:12:03,210 --> 00:12:06,940 you know, of, of any kind in the spiritual realm and others who 215 00:12:06,950 --> 00:12:10,840 would in some ways give Satan lots of authority. 216 00:12:10,850 --> 00:12:13,260 And, and, you know, even, see, I, I was just thinking back to 217 00:12:13,270 --> 00:12:18,160 like Luke chapter 4, where where Jesus and, and Satan are in, are 218 00:12:18,170 --> 00:12:24,270 in the wilderness and, and Satan seems to have a certain degree 219 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:28,270 of power and authority there that Jesus ultimately rejects. 220 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:33,310 And, and it may be a pseudo authority, but it is some 221 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,550 authority, you know, and Paul, Paul talks about the, the like 222 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:40,370 the powers of, of darkness, the dominion of darkness, right? 223 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,590 That that, he says, has ultimately been disarmed by the 224 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:48,280 work of the cross, but that there is still some power and 225 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:49,740 authority. Yeah, yeah. 226 00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:53,760 So yeah, like in Paul's powers and principalities, the the 227 00:12:53,910 --> 00:12:56,420 thing that I always think to think back to, and this is just 228 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:57,740 because this is how my brain works. 229 00:12:59,330 --> 00:13:03,520 Two things. One, you you can you can point 230 00:13:03,530 --> 00:13:09,870 at a moment within World War 2 where the tides had turned and 231 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,910 where Hitler had died and where lost. 232 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:19,190 The Nazis had lost, but there was still there. 233 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,280 There was, there was. There was still death and 234 00:13:21,290 --> 00:13:26,090 destruction to get to, you know, to get to Victor, like to get to 235 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:29,980 ultimate peace. Yeah, like the cessation of war 236 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:34,840 in that instance. So, you know, you can start to 237 00:13:34,850 --> 00:13:39,830 picture an A thing, a military government, a country, like an 238 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:44,500 entity, a person existing in this state of having been 239 00:13:44,510 --> 00:13:49,060 defeated, but still, like dealing out a lot of 240 00:13:49,070 --> 00:13:52,180 destruction. Where my mind ultimately goes is 241 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:57,540 like you, this, this the last, uh, in, in the Lord of the 242 00:13:57,550 --> 00:14:04,530 Rings, when, when Gandalf ultimately falls into the caves, 243 00:14:04,540 --> 00:14:11,990 like down the Balrog, he, he's been thrown off the bridge and 244 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:18,200 is falling and with one, like dying breath, kind of whips U 245 00:14:18,210 --> 00:14:20,710 and grabs them and drags them down. 246 00:14:20,860 --> 00:14:25,470 And so I think of like, what I want people to know is that 247 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:30,270 scripture points us very clearly to Satan being defeated, but 248 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,590 existing in this, this state of already and not yet. 249 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,270 We know that the things of death still exist, Like the things of 250 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,700 death still have a hold on people. 251 00:14:39,710 --> 00:14:45,060 The things of of, of evil still feel like they can run rampant. 252 00:14:45,450 --> 00:14:47,900 They've been defeated, but they've not ultimately been like 253 00:14:47,910 --> 00:14:54,120 there's we're still in that waiting period of that, that 254 00:14:54,130 --> 00:15:00,450 final sort of last gasp, death sort of blow. 255 00:15:00,620 --> 00:15:03,100 It can still do a lot of damage. Yeah. 256 00:15:03,340 --> 00:15:06,390 And so that it still kind of raises the question of returns 257 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,510 to the, you know, the the passage in Luke 12 of OK, does 258 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,760 Satan have authority to send people to throw as the language 259 00:15:16,770 --> 00:15:18,890 just throw people into hell, right. 260 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:22,690 And without getting into a whole discussion about the, the nature 261 00:15:22,700 --> 00:15:26,880 of, of hell and, and all that kind of thing, like, I like just 262 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:31,080 at a surface level, whatever that looks like, does Satan have 263 00:15:31,090 --> 00:15:32,780 that authority? And that, that kind of is the 264 00:15:32,790 --> 00:15:34,730 crux of whether it's Satan or God, right? 265 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:44,240 Hmm, I don't know. So I say no categorically OK, 266 00:15:44,250 --> 00:15:48,240 and I but I think it does depend on, it depends on a few things 267 00:15:48,250 --> 00:15:52,540 going on here, for me anyways. And because again, I can see 268 00:15:52,550 --> 00:16:00,740 reading both of these things, uh, I, I think if so, does Satan 269 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:06,920 have the authority to throw you into hell as it would be thought 270 00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:10,920 of as like eternal damnation, final judgment? 271 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:17,570 No, no, no, absolutely not. Is Jesus, Is Jesus talking about 272 00:16:17,580 --> 00:16:21,400 that final judgment here? There's some. 273 00:16:21,410 --> 00:16:23,520 Says Gahanna. Is that ultimately what he's 274 00:16:23,530 --> 00:16:26,240 referring to? Is he making an eschatological 275 00:16:26,290 --> 00:16:30,640 claim about our our eternal permanent fate and destiny? 276 00:16:30,650 --> 00:16:31,710 That's that's a good. Question. 277 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,500 And that's there's some, yeah, there's some, some I think 278 00:16:35,550 --> 00:16:38,480 difference of opinion there, right, based on how people 279 00:16:38,490 --> 00:16:40,560 historically have interpreted the passage. 280 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:45,250 So that's, that's part of it. It just does depend on whether 281 00:16:45,260 --> 00:16:50,130 or not this is a passage that speaking to that I do though go 282 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:52,410 to. So my Bible pushes us to Hebrews 283 00:16:52,420 --> 00:16:59,360 10 and Hebrews 1031 where, where it says, um, and I just want to 284 00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:01,410 read this so I don't misquote it. 285 00:17:04,849 --> 00:17:11,420 Um, so it's in the broader conversation, uh, but in 30 it 286 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:15,329 says for we know him who said it is mine to avenge. 287 00:17:15,339 --> 00:17:20,430 I will repay, and again the Lord will judge his people. 288 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,619 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living 289 00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:26,369 God. So. 290 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,270 We're dreadful. It's it's intense. 291 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:33,230 Like fearful, right? Like so, so this like what the 292 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:41,240 editors of my Bible want us to start to see is that if, if 293 00:17:41,250 --> 00:17:45,610 Jesus is Jesus might be pointing to himself ultimately as the 294 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:49,740 like the the judge who has authority over heaven and earth 295 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:54,090 to rule and to discern and to judge and to separate righteous 296 00:17:54,100 --> 00:17:57,380 and unrighteous right to use like revelation, like wheat and 297 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:02,310 chaff. And the what I ultimately 298 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,840 though, what I think we you wanted, would you want people to 299 00:18:04,850 --> 00:18:06,400 hear? And I think what I want people 300 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:10,540 to hear is here's the here's the logical flow to what Jesus is 301 00:18:10,550 --> 00:18:13,960 saying. You think that you should fear 302 00:18:13,970 --> 00:18:15,950 these guys? Don't fear them. 303 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,380 They don't. They don't know what they're 304 00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:19,890 doing. I'll tell you who you should 305 00:18:19,900 --> 00:18:23,120 really fear. Regardless of who that person 306 00:18:23,130 --> 00:18:24,900 is, we should really fear that person. 307 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:30,600 But Jesus is saying do not be afraid. 308 00:18:31,930 --> 00:18:37,240 I I actually like. I wonder if it has equal or more 309 00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:42,680 power if it is God that Jesus is referring to. 310 00:18:43,370 --> 00:18:45,780 You're saying be afraid, be afraid, Don't be afraid. 311 00:18:45,850 --> 00:18:48,200 Yeah, he's what he's saying is don't fear these guys. 312 00:18:48,270 --> 00:18:49,740 I'll tell you who you should be afraid of. 313 00:18:49,750 --> 00:18:53,120 You should be afraid of me, me being Jesus, not me. 314 00:18:54,050 --> 00:18:58,860 But I'm the one who's telling you to to not be afraid, right? 315 00:18:58,870 --> 00:19:01,740 So if I'm the only one that you really should be afraid of, and 316 00:19:01,750 --> 00:19:04,440 I'm the very person who's telling you do not be afraid. 317 00:19:04,570 --> 00:19:06,780 That's got some power to it as well. 318 00:19:06,970 --> 00:19:09,850 So I actually don't think it matters where you land. 319 00:19:09,860 --> 00:19:11,540 That was what I was. Going to say on who this 320 00:19:11,550 --> 00:19:13,590 individual. Is you can get bent out of shape 321 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,410 over over the specifics of it because I think they're there. 322 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:20,580 Obviously there's an intensity to, to the way that Jesus is, is 323 00:19:20,590 --> 00:19:25,640 talking here that can feel confrontational. 324 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:28,980 And, and it can feel, at least for me, when I read, I'm like, 325 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:32,010 man, I like, I, I don't relish the thought of preaching on 326 00:19:32,020 --> 00:19:34,380 that. And yet I did right. 327 00:19:34,390 --> 00:19:38,460 And, and so, yeah, I, I think, I think I'm with you though, like 328 00:19:38,470 --> 00:19:41,560 that, that I think that at the end it doesn't matter. 329 00:19:41,970 --> 00:19:44,690 And I think you could also parse the language even to say when it 330 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:48,560 talks about authority to throw you into how you could make you 331 00:19:48,570 --> 00:19:52,160 could make an argument that if it was so, if it were Satan, you 332 00:19:52,170 --> 00:19:54,650 could make an argument that it's like, OK, maybe maybe not the 333 00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:58,950 actual act of of like ultimate judgment, but that sort of like 334 00:19:59,020 --> 00:20:04,110 the Satan tripping you up to a point that that you have gotten, 335 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,970 you know, gotten to that place. Or even that that's like, that's 336 00:20:06,980 --> 00:20:09,810 his domain, right? Like that, that's ultimately his 337 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:11,760 like that's he that's the place he's gonna get. 338 00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:13,290 He's gonna get tossed into. Yeah, right. 339 00:20:13,300 --> 00:20:16,200 He'll be thrown there. So, you know, yeah, I, I think 340 00:20:16,210 --> 00:20:20,620 anywhere where we want people to land, though, is regardless of 341 00:20:20,630 --> 00:20:23,290 who you think that who you read that person to be, what Jesus is 342 00:20:23,300 --> 00:20:26,340 saying very clear. It is either either it's Satan 343 00:20:26,350 --> 00:20:27,800 and Jesus has authority over Satan. 344 00:20:27,850 --> 00:20:29,220 Yeah. So don't be afraid. 345 00:20:29,570 --> 00:20:32,580 Yeah. Or it's God and Jesus is saying 346 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:34,600 I'm the only person you should be afraid of. 347 00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:36,270 Don't be afraid. Yeah. 348 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:39,480 So that's the point. The point is the landing places. 349 00:20:39,490 --> 00:20:44,180 Don't be afraid. So I think, I think it's I think 350 00:20:44,190 --> 00:20:45,940 that's ultimately a a really good word. 351 00:20:46,010 --> 00:20:48,800 Like that's that's, that's the gospel kind of punching through. 352 00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:51,800 Yeah. So let's let's shift that in a 353 00:20:51,810 --> 00:20:56,460 little bit. Let's talk about so you know, if 354 00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:58,740 we're if we're not gonna if we're not gonna be gonna be 355 00:20:58,750 --> 00:21:02,670 afraid if we are going to choose to live alright, we're we're 356 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,970 pushing in this good direction. You started challenging us 357 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:11,110 really I thoughtfully around what it means to live an 358 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,730 integrated life then and so OK, we're all in. 359 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:19,750 We're not going to be afraid. We're living life in alignment 360 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:24,280 with Jesus. And, you know, we know that that 361 00:21:24,290 --> 00:21:28,190 the devil wants to trip us up and wants to challenge and cause 362 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:31,630 fear to kind of creep in and wants to pull apart little 363 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,040 pieces of life. Like, you know, challenging in 364 00:21:34,050 --> 00:21:36,080 this area is keep that to the side. 365 00:21:36,090 --> 00:21:40,420 Keep your faith over here. Like you pointed us ultimately 366 00:21:40,430 --> 00:21:42,460 to what it looks like, what it can look like to live a 367 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:44,500 disintegrated life. Or I think the language you used 368 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:47,130 was, you know, everybody has had a moment in their life where 369 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,320 they feel like it's all crumbling, like where it's 370 00:21:49,330 --> 00:21:55,780 falling apart. How do we start, uh, without 371 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:58,760 kind of falling back to that fear place of well, like, is it, 372 00:21:58,770 --> 00:21:59,880 is it Jesus? Is it Satan? 373 00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:01,350 Is it the devil? Like who's gonna like who's 374 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:02,730 coming after me? Like should I be afraid? 375 00:22:02,740 --> 00:22:05,330 Who should I fear? Like without going down that 376 00:22:05,410 --> 00:22:09,910 again for each of us, like for each of us and not dwell on the 377 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,730 fear piece. How do we start to live an 378 00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:16,170 integrated life? Where does it come from? 379 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:21,550 One of the questions that we received, again, was like, how 380 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,590 much of this is on us and how much of it is on Jesus? 381 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,630 Yeah. And I think the kind of language 382 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,500 behind that could be like, how much of this is, is just stuff 383 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:36,540 that we need God to do in our hearts and our minds, our lives, 384 00:22:36,550 --> 00:22:41,070 our bodies, our souls. How much of it do we need to 385 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:43,880 claim then and live into? Hmm. 386 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,390 But also what's our responsibility? 387 00:22:46,540 --> 00:22:50,520 Because it's not just out there. Yeah, right. 388 00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:55,170 Like we need to own it. Part of what it means to live an 389 00:22:55,180 --> 00:22:57,690 integrated life is that we are living into it. 390 00:22:57,700 --> 00:22:59,110 So tell us a little bit more about that. 391 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,230 Like integrated life, What does that look like? 392 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,270 How do we get? It, I mean, in some ways like 393 00:23:03,340 --> 00:23:06,150 the, the question of of, you know, how much is on us, how 394 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,930 much is, how much is Jesus? I mean, that's sort of like 395 00:23:08,940 --> 00:23:11,300 that's the Christian life in a nutshell of like, you know, how 396 00:23:11,310 --> 00:23:14,140 much is how much is grace? How much is how much what's my 397 00:23:14,150 --> 00:23:16,240 role to play? You know, like and and you can. 398 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:18,760 How much did God choose me and how much did I choose? 399 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:21,800 God yeah, yeah, yeah, like these are like the the constant 400 00:23:21,810 --> 00:23:24,700 rhythms and tensions that we run into all the time yeah, but, but 401 00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:27,550 I think first and foremost like let's look like let's just look 402 00:23:27,610 --> 00:23:31,560 at Jesus like I think that's like the best place to start is 403 00:23:31,570 --> 00:23:35,140 like just the. The integrated life of Jesus, 404 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,920 his life all the way to his death, right. 405 00:23:37,930 --> 00:23:42,600 And, and I think even just noting that Jesus's work at the 406 00:23:42,610 --> 00:23:47,030 cross and, and then, and there is a record in the resurrection 407 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:53,010 that in and of itself accomplishes something toward an 408 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:56,320 integrated life, right? That, that when we, when we 409 00:23:56,330 --> 00:24:03,570 think about Jesus mending what has been broken in us in me, 410 00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:06,590 that that work happened at the cross. 411 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,190 And, and so that in and of itself draws us toward 412 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,090 integration, right? And, and I think that another, I 413 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:17,610 mean, another word you could use that that Christians have used a 414 00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:23,160 lot is, is, is wholeness, right? Where what was broken is made 415 00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:26,460 whole. And, and so you could say that 416 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:28,300 that that is the work that happens at the cross. 417 00:24:28,370 --> 00:24:29,560 Yeah. But we also see it in the life 418 00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:31,900 of Jesus too. We see, we see Jesus live in 419 00:24:31,910 --> 00:24:36,680 this way where his full integrated self is on display. 420 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:42,170 All of the emotions, all of the compassion, all of the, even the 421 00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:45,440 anger that we see at the beginning of this passage 422 00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:48,100 toward, toward the Pharisees and the scribes. 423 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,190 And, and you see, you see all of this, all of this in Jesus and 424 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,990 Jesus is like, bring all of it to me. 425 00:24:55,060 --> 00:24:58,240 You know, like I, I love the, you know, the, the passage in 426 00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,390 you know, where, where Jesus is like, you know, come to me, all 427 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,590 you who are weary and I will give you rest like I, I am your 428 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,550 Good Shepherd. I am the one who will bring 429 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,200 like, just comfort to your soul, right? 430 00:25:10,210 --> 00:25:13,570 Like there's like Jesus is saying, bring all of you, bring 431 00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:15,830 all of like, and that that is the integrated life in nutshell, 432 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,160 is like we bring all of ourselves, all of ourselves 433 00:25:18,170 --> 00:25:21,640 before God and say God, like, just bring it over to you. 434 00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:24,720 We like submit it to your will and your care. 435 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,000 I'm not gonna withhold any part of me. 436 00:25:27,130 --> 00:25:28,910 And that's like, that's easier said than done. 437 00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:31,540 Like they're yeah, there, there are like so many parts of my 438 00:25:31,550 --> 00:25:33,390 life that sometimes I'm like, God, I don't wanna, I don't 439 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,980 wanna talk about that with you because because I know that 440 00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:38,550 you're gonna convict me of it. I know that you're gonna and 441 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,220 that is that is the disintegrated life. 442 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:44,060 That is the broken life, right? Where where there are parts of 443 00:25:44,070 --> 00:25:45,960 ourselves that were like, I'm going to just withhold back this 444 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:48,040 little part of me because it feels safe. 445 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,970 I like it. I like how it makes me feel. 446 00:25:51,980 --> 00:25:54,350 Yeah. I'm just gonna ignore the fact 447 00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:58,470 that that my, my Christianity would have something to say 448 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,870 about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 449 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:09,350 So a very, very obvious one, I think is someone who, someone 450 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:12,960 who makes and maybe even who would articulate it this way, 451 00:26:12,970 --> 00:26:19,590 someone who, quote, needs to make unethical decisions at work 452 00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:26,810 to be successful at work, right. When they know and feel and 453 00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:31,410 wrestle out inside of them that their Christianity, that Jesus 454 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,840 would have something to say about it. 455 00:26:32,930 --> 00:26:34,980 Yeah, but Jesus would have something to say about the way 456 00:26:34,990 --> 00:26:39,310 in which you are compartmentalizing to the point 457 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:47,530 where you're making decisions that you know are counter Christ 458 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,360 or Gospel or Kingdom, but you quote maybe need to make them in 459 00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:56,090 order to survive at work kind of thing. 460 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,070 So it's it's that level of like you think compartmentalize. 461 00:26:59,110 --> 00:27:04,140 I think everybody can picture that type of maybe scenario, but 462 00:27:04,150 --> 00:27:08,000 I think we all do it in little ways every single day. 463 00:27:08,050 --> 00:27:12,620 I heard one writer said like, like, what what do you use to 464 00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:17,550 justify your sin? Like what logic, what what 465 00:27:17,790 --> 00:27:21,340 words, what reassurance, What excuses do you use to justify 466 00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:24,280 your sin as it was, we're all broken or well, we're all 467 00:27:24,290 --> 00:27:27,630 sinners or, you know, I experienced this. 468 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,580 And so therefore this is an outpouring of that. 469 00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:32,820 And it's well, OK, but maybe that means that God's not gotten 470 00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:38,620 that that piece. Then if it is I, I see it like I 471 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:40,980 I see. So the language that I've found 472 00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:45,790 helpful is inside and outside. Integrated life is where your 473 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,850 insides and outsides match. I think you said something very 474 00:27:47,860 --> 00:27:52,310 similar to that on Sunday. Disintegrated life is where your 475 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,040 insides and outsides don't match. 476 00:27:54,090 --> 00:27:56,500 Yeah. And it could be that your 477 00:27:56,550 --> 00:28:02,040 outsides look fantastic and inside you're really wrestling 478 00:28:02,050 --> 00:28:06,420 with some stuff. Could be that your insides are 479 00:28:06,430 --> 00:28:09,290 really wrestling with some stuff in a good positive way and then 480 00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:11,410 you're making terrible just like you're making terrible decisions 481 00:28:11,420 --> 00:28:14,100 on the outside like. Almost almost like you're like 482 00:28:14,140 --> 00:28:16,320 someone has like really good intentions but still end up 483 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:20,260 doing like terrible things. Yeah, or no knows the right. 484 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:22,920 Thing and still. Does the because of, you know, 485 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:26,400 other things so, so it can go both ways, but it's like those, 486 00:28:26,450 --> 00:28:29,380 you know, the mismatch of like your insides and your outsides. 487 00:28:29,730 --> 00:28:33,260 Mismatch is a good word like that, that I, you know, 488 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:37,100 sometimes my, my desires and motivation motivations are just 489 00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:41,660 mismatched from what, from what I ultimately really want, right? 490 00:28:41,670 --> 00:28:45,410 From what I know is good for my, my soul, right? 491 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,190 It is something as simple as like, you know, like I know that 492 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:54,920 if I go for a walk more regularly, which I have been in 493 00:28:54,930 --> 00:28:56,710 the habit of doing, I'm like, I feel better. 494 00:28:56,820 --> 00:28:58,150 Yeah. You know, I can't always do a 495 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,070 lot of, like, physical activity. I know. 496 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,330 I know it'll help me feel better. 497 00:29:01,340 --> 00:29:05,510 I know you know you can know all the things, but if you like, 498 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,140 this is the disintegrated part of my life that I don't always 499 00:29:09,150 --> 00:29:10,150 do it. Right. 500 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,250 Yeah, and like, knowledge doesn't always lead to life 501 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:16,700 transformation. As we see in the Pharisees and 502 00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:18,830 Scribes, right, they knew a lot. They knew. 503 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,320 And they do a lot. And they do a. 504 00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:24,160 Lot, but it's mismatch on what is going on inside them. 505 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:26,420 Yeah. So that's the disintegration 506 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:28,210 piece. So, so when I think about like, 507 00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:31,740 yes, like the, the work that Jesus has done, so he's, he's, 508 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:34,640 he, he lived a life and an integrated life. 509 00:29:34,690 --> 00:29:37,940 Yeah, he, he died an integrated death. 510 00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:42,410 He was resurrected and, and, and then and then empowers and sends 511 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:46,060 the Holy Spirit to his believers, which is the ongoing 512 00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:50,880 work, the sanctification through the spirit of of living, I think 513 00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:55,170 an integrated life, right? That that is that is the aim I 514 00:29:55,180 --> 00:30:00,230 think of of a mature follower of Jesus is that yeah, their 515 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,780 insides match their outsides and their outsides match their 516 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:06,790 insides, right. And, and, and so there is, there 517 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,470 is the ongoing work of sanctification and this, this 518 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,270 Bible, the Bible often kind of plays with that a little bit 519 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,590 where you see, I think it's in the end of first that's Leonians 520 00:30:15,660 --> 00:30:21,200 where, where God, where, where the writer says that God's 521 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:24,270 Spirit will sanctify you. That is the work of the Spirit 522 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,200 that is sanctifying you and, and, and making you holy and 523 00:30:27,210 --> 00:30:31,040 integrating you. And so there's this sense in 524 00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:35,350 which that is the work of the Holy Spirit to refine and to 525 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,070 grow as a mature us. But there is obviously still the 526 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,750 work that we need to do as well, right? 527 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,710 And, and so it is, I think it is, it is one of those things 528 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,280 where it's like, it's gotta be both. 529 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,730 It is, this is a, this is a partnership. 530 00:30:48,740 --> 00:30:50,570 It's an it's an unequal partnership because it's a 531 00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:53,850 partnership with the living God, but it is a partnership, right? 532 00:30:53,860 --> 00:30:56,990 Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this for me is where like 533 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,450 when I look, when I look at this question. 534 00:30:58,460 --> 00:31:00,990 So how much of it is God? All of it, Yes. 535 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,350 How much of it is me also in some way, but lesser? 536 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:06,430 All of it. Yeah. 537 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,110 Like you can come to this so backwards, which the Pharisees 538 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,990 do, which is if you just do all of the things in the right way, 539 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,330 all of the time, every time, then maybe, just maybe, you 540 00:31:16,340 --> 00:31:18,950 know, you'll make it. That's the wrong way to do this. 541 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,890 That's not, that's not what what Jesus is saying. 542 00:31:20,900 --> 00:31:25,500 That's not what we're saying. At the end of the day, we need 543 00:31:25,510 --> 00:31:29,970 God to do the the heart transformation work like no one 544 00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:32,500 else can. And that's because of Jesus 545 00:31:32,510 --> 00:31:35,190 death and resurrection on the cross, like Jesus defeated sin 546 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,000 and death and he needs to defeat sin and death in me and in you 547 00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:41,270 and in you listener, like Jesus needs to do that work. 548 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,540 You can't do it on your own. You know you can't. 549 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:47,760 It's it's like you can't dig your way out of the, the whole 550 00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:52,190 of sin and death. So more is not gonna make you 551 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,330 better. Yeah, it's it's not a quantity 552 00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:56,970 thing. It's a quality thing. 553 00:31:57,020 --> 00:32:02,420 Jesus needs to do that work, but it also in a it also demands 554 00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:06,020 everything of you. Yeah, because it it demands that 555 00:32:06,030 --> 00:32:10,820 you surrender everything and let go of everything and actually 556 00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:12,620 move away from all the things. Yeah. 557 00:32:12,660 --> 00:32:16,580 So for me that it becomes a place of prayer ultimately, 558 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:18,360 right is how do you wrestle it out? 559 00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:28,320 So I look at Psalm some 8610. It's uh, so so 10/11/12 but let 560 00:32:28,330 --> 00:32:34,870 me just read versus verse 10 and 11 O the the writer says, for 561 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,090 you are great and do marvelous deeds. 562 00:32:37,100 --> 00:32:41,490 You alone are God. So I go, yeah, all in teach me 563 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:45,530 your ways, Lord that I'm that I may rely on your faithfulness 564 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:48,770 and like not my own. And then he says give me an 565 00:32:48,780 --> 00:32:53,380 undivided heart that I may fear your name and that right there, 566 00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:56,420 like the the prayer for like God, would you just give me an 567 00:32:56,430 --> 00:32:59,500 undivided heart? I think that's where 568 00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:00,360 integration. Like what? 569 00:33:00,370 --> 00:33:03,010 A prayer. Yeah, like, so pull all of me 570 00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:04,540 together. Yeah. 571 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,270 And then do what you need to do. Like I'm gonna rely on you and 572 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600 your faithfulness and your work. What is your responsibility, 573 00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:13,440 Listener? Pray that prayer. 574 00:33:13,810 --> 00:33:16,800 Teach me your ways that I may rely on your faithfulness. 575 00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:20,180 Give me an undivided heart so that I can feel your name. 576 00:33:20,510 --> 00:33:27,180 And there are also so many incredible resources, frameworks 577 00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:31,900 for this sort of thing, right, and and too many to name, you 578 00:33:31,910 --> 00:33:35,780 know, like as a staff right now, we are working through it's not 579 00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:38,760 a new book, but it's a great one is the emotionally healthy 580 00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:44,020 spirituality by Pete Scazzero. Just a great guy who who really 581 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:46,360 would say I was living in disintegrated life. 582 00:33:46,370 --> 00:33:49,240 I was living a life that was not integrated with the things of 583 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:52,380 God. My my pastoral life was do was 584 00:33:52,390 --> 00:33:56,020 almost a separate thing from my personal like like so dude, that 585 00:33:56,030 --> 00:33:58,980 did the work in many ways, the hard work that, that you know, 586 00:33:58,990 --> 00:34:01,970 the of, of seeking God for an undivided heart, right. 587 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,860 So, like that's just one example among so many, you know, people 588 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:10,190 like Dallas Willard are are, you know, are great thinkers in that 589 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,730 way. John Mark Comer, Some of these 590 00:34:12,739 --> 00:34:15,889 guys are doing a great work. There's I think, like Ruth Haley 591 00:34:15,900 --> 00:34:18,870 Barton is does a lot of good writing on on this sort of 592 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,170 stuff, right. So just to throw a female author 593 00:34:21,179 --> 00:34:26,070 in there as well, There's, there's so, so many. 594 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,870 We are like, we are spoiled for resources on, on this particular 595 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,750 subject. But all that is to say is like, 596 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,969 yeah, there, there are some great ways to be thinking about 597 00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:41,679 this just from the life of Jesus and also the ways that people 598 00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:46,210 have thought for centuries about, about all this stuff too. 599 00:34:46,219 --> 00:34:47,139 Yeah. Yeah. 600 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,980 So I want to shift now into and ask to kind of practical church 601 00:34:52,139 --> 00:34:55,440 level questions and and maybe individual questions as well. 602 00:34:55,449 --> 00:34:59,860 But the first is just to jump on that continuation of the 603 00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:02,580 Pharisees. So you had a line, and I'm not 604 00:35:02,590 --> 00:35:07,360 going to build a quote you verbatim, but it's essentially 605 00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:10,500 is that same line that the Pharisees were really living out 606 00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:14,520 this legalism that said, if you do all the right things all the 607 00:35:14,530 --> 00:35:21,360 time in the right way, every time, you know, maybe, maybe 608 00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:23,860 you'll make it. And for the Pharisees, it was it 609 00:35:23,870 --> 00:35:25,560 was like it was this collective longing. 610 00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:28,740 They longed for Israel to be restored and made whole again 611 00:35:28,750 --> 00:35:31,320 and for the Messiah to come. And they believe that they had a 612 00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:34,910 a role in that happening. Like let's not forget that that 613 00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:42,010 these are people who had good longings for their people, but 614 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:45,450 it came out sideways in that like, if we all, if we can all 615 00:35:45,460 --> 00:35:51,190 just figure out the equation, then we will be good enough and 616 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,380 God will honor that, right? And I still think we do this 617 00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:58,010 today. Oh, absolutely. 618 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,690 So like, let's talk a little bit about how we might fall into 619 00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:06,270 that same trap because I think for the Christian, it's easy to 620 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:13,480 say, well, it's like it's all grace, like 100% not my works 621 00:36:13,490 --> 00:36:15,640 and what I do. But then we turn around and we 622 00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:21,520 still live like the Pharisees trying to earn from God 623 00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:24,700 something that is a gift. And man, like that sounds 624 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:27,000 exhausting. So exhausting. 625 00:36:27,010 --> 00:36:32,560 Yeah, I I wonder if like as a church too, though, like as, as 626 00:36:32,570 --> 00:36:34,450 a church. I'm trying to think about like 627 00:36:34,460 --> 00:36:38,950 the ways in which, you know, the Big Sea Church, but also even 628 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,130 for us in our little corner of the world and with the ways in 629 00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:47,750 which we we do this. This isn't something that I 630 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,460 think is, is like a every week sort of situation, But I, I do 631 00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:54,800 wonder, like you can kind of teeter into this. 632 00:36:54,810 --> 00:37:01,040 Like if we just, if we just plan out the perfect service, the 633 00:37:01,050 --> 00:37:03,580 right, you know, with all the right things, the right 634 00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:08,100 atmosphere, the right, the exact right songs, the, you know, the, 635 00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:10,920 the preachers gonna say just the right words and just the right 636 00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:13,980 way. And then God is going to show up 637 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:17,610 in like this, like cloud, you know, like, like there is, 638 00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:21,360 there's something there, there's something there that I, you 639 00:37:21,370 --> 00:37:27,340 know, I wrestle with, you know, as we, as we plan out services, 640 00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:29,620 right? Like in what ways are we trying 641 00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:33,690 to like, manipulate God to show up in a particular way? 642 00:37:33,780 --> 00:37:35,190 Yeah. Like if we sing this, these 643 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,000 songs in this order, yeah, then maybe, yeah. 644 00:37:38,010 --> 00:37:40,430 Yeah, and it's not to say like we, we shouldn't be thoughtful 645 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,980 about the way we plan out things. 646 00:37:41,990 --> 00:37:45,010 Like we absolutely should. You know, like I, you know, in 647 00:37:45,020 --> 00:37:47,490 our service yesterday, we had, you know, like as I was chatting 648 00:37:47,500 --> 00:37:51,190 with the, the musicians and worship leaders for the week, I, 649 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:53,290 you know, I said, hey, here's this is a great list of songs. 650 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:55,850 Can we do this one at the end? Because it matches really well 651 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:58,350 as a responsive song to where I'm landing, right. 652 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,460 Like that's just, that's good common sense and and it's a good 653 00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:05,300 way of just like stewarding the, you know, the the songs that we 654 00:38:05,310 --> 00:38:09,940 have in our in our community. But but you can take these these 655 00:38:09,950 --> 00:38:15,480 things too far right to to try to make God do you know, bend 656 00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:17,900 God to your will rather than the other way around. 657 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:21,680 Yeah, yeah. I so I think a good indication 658 00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:31,060 of, um, whether you are trying to earn something that can only 659 00:38:31,070 --> 00:38:36,100 be given or whether you are living out of a place, having 660 00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:38,890 received what can only be given because that's going to change 661 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:41,000 the way you live, right? Is going to change the things 662 00:38:41,010 --> 00:38:45,720 that you do is whether or not you still fear that middleman to 663 00:38:45,730 --> 00:38:52,680 take us back to the beginning. So don't fear these guys here. 664 00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:55,300 So you really should fear. I think for those of us who get 665 00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:59,140 stuck fearing, be that Satan or be that God, what we are 666 00:38:59,150 --> 00:39:03,470 ultimately going to do is when we're stuck in fear, we are 667 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,010 going to try to control as much as we can around us. 668 00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:07,930 And we're going to try to control the outsides. 669 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:12,970 Because inside we're like, well, I'm afraid and I know what's 670 00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:16,460 going on inside of me. And, you know, I've got to make 671 00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:20,340 sure that I'm not being overly tempted by Satan or I've got to 672 00:39:20,350 --> 00:39:23,680 make sure that I am doing the things that Jesus requires of me 673 00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:25,940 to do. So you start focusing on these 674 00:39:25,950 --> 00:39:27,640 external things. Yeah. 675 00:39:27,770 --> 00:39:30,820 Because inside you're still fearing that middleman. 676 00:39:31,590 --> 00:39:36,360 And so I, I would like, I think I would challenge people to, to 677 00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:40,690 think through the moments in your life where you act out of 678 00:39:40,700 --> 00:39:46,040 fear are probably not emotionally, spiritually healthy 679 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:48,960 moments. Yeah, all the time or, or even 680 00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:51,100 most of the time, maybe even all the time. 681 00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:54,730 So getting to that place where where where we're able to hear 682 00:39:54,740 --> 00:40:00,070 Jesus say do not be afraid, that I think is what allows us then 683 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,960 to receive because if we're not afraid. 684 00:40:03,630 --> 00:40:06,960 Then I don't need to earn because I don't need to be 685 00:40:06,970 --> 00:40:11,350 afraid that I might not earn it. I can receive because it has 686 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,040 nothing to do with me. It has everything to do with 687 00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:16,210 Jesus. And I'm not afraid of my 688 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:22,170 failures or shortfalls or it's things that might, I think get 689 00:40:22,180 --> 00:40:26,130 in the way of what God is doing. So I think that's a, that's a 690 00:40:26,460 --> 00:40:30,410 good measure of of where you are. 691 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,170 I think another another facet is like church community Christians 692 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:40,000 in general. Like what is the depth of our? 693 00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:45,340 What is the depth of our ability to just be be vulnerable and, 694 00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:50,290 and just transparent with one another? 695 00:40:50,340 --> 00:40:54,150 Yeah, right. How easy is it to just put on 696 00:40:54,220 --> 00:40:58,940 this, this veneer, this, you know, like the almost in many 697 00:40:58,950 --> 00:41:01,980 ways, the things that the, that Jesus is critiquing the 698 00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:05,670 Pharisees and experts of the law for it is about this 699 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,250 superficiality to their faith, this outward religiosity. 700 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,370 And man, we are so culpable of, of putting on the veneer that 701 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:19,240 our life is in order. And really inside we're falling 702 00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:20,200 apart. Yeah. 703 00:41:20,250 --> 00:41:22,680 And, and all of a sudden, like, like there are, there are 704 00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:25,600 stories I'm sure both of us could, could share if we weren't 705 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:28,000 breaching confidentiality. So I'm gonna speak more in 706 00:41:28,010 --> 00:41:32,400 generalities of like, just, you know, all of a sudden someone 707 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:35,880 comes in, in your office and they like, they drop a bomb on 708 00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:39,020 you of like of some life shattering thing that they've, 709 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:41,580 that they've done or has happened in their world. 710 00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:44,280 And it's like, well, how did we get here? 711 00:41:44,370 --> 00:41:46,960 Usually you're going to go back and it's going to be like, well, 712 00:41:46,970 --> 00:41:48,420 yeah. I never really felt like I could 713 00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:50,370 be transparent, honest with the people around me. 714 00:41:50,380 --> 00:41:53,170 And so I just kind of shoved all this inside until one day my 715 00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:53,890 life blew. Up. 716 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,330 Yeah, that's why. So like there is there is a 717 00:41:58,140 --> 00:42:01,770 goodness to confession. Yeah. 718 00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,690 And like children of the Reformation, sometimes we can 719 00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:10,530 throw everything out. But like, why do we still have a 720 00:42:10,540 --> 00:42:14,090 prayer of confession within our worship service is for these 721 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:16,960 moments, right? Like it is to remind ourselves 722 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:21,830 there's there's goodness in speaking the things going on 723 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,050 inside of us. Not to everybody in anybody, but 724 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:28,960 certainly to trusted individuals and to those who need to know 725 00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:30,000 right. Like, these are hard 726 00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:34,900 conversations to have. O yeah, absolutely. 727 00:42:34,910 --> 00:42:38,400 Like is, is there, is there a thing that you're like holding 728 00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:40,760 back? You're just not like, nobody's 729 00:42:40,770 --> 00:42:43,520 gonna find out about this thing. Nobody's going to know. 730 00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:46,440 That's probably something that like guys wanting to wrestle out 731 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,590 and challenge you on. Absolutely. 732 00:42:49,450 --> 00:42:53,390 So that'll be one. OK, the I don't know if it's the 733 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,740 flip side of that, but if we can wrestle all of this out in our 734 00:42:57,750 --> 00:43:03,510 own lives, we can want our own lives externally to look 735 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,950 perfect. We can also add, as the 736 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:14,620 Pharisees have done, extra burden on others to do the same 737 00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:19,100 in their lives. So I think what, what ends up 738 00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:23,440 happening, I think often in, in communities, but also just in 739 00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:26,880 lives and relationships is the less you're willing to deal with 740 00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:30,780 your own stuff, the more then you also punt that onto other 741 00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:35,040 people and either become hyper fixated about everybody else's 742 00:43:35,050 --> 00:43:44,060 sin or, um, you add extra burden on their lives because you're 743 00:43:44,070 --> 00:43:47,440 really trying to wrestle out what you need to in your life. 744 00:43:47,490 --> 00:43:50,940 So I think we also you had you had a great line like where 745 00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:54,080 you're talking about the Pharisees and the scribes, the 746 00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:59,930 experts and the law who are who are there, who have is it? 747 00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:01,310 Is it? It's not lawyers, is it? 748 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:08,170 Um, but the, the these guys who say like you offended us also. 749 00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:13,010 So, and you're like, yeah, just like I haven't even started on 750 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:17,470 you guys yet. So, so maybe his critique to 751 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,010 them is you heap heavy burden on others. 752 00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,960 You're not yourself willing to shoulder the load. 753 00:44:24,090 --> 00:44:28,470 As a last point, how do we do that still too? 754 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,970 Like, yeah, what are some ways that we maybe. 755 00:44:31,820 --> 00:44:33,790 So I'm thinking and, and especially like is this is 756 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,250 tricky in a church context, which is like so driven. 757 00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:39,590 It's yes, it's driven by staff, it's driven, but it's also 758 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,730 driven by, by leaders and volunteers and lay people who 759 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:47,390 are, are stepping up to the plate to make this community 760 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,970 happen. And, and, and there are some 761 00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:56,370 churches that do this better than others because I've heard 762 00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:59,630 some disaster stories from, from people where, where they're like 763 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,030 all this. And I'm not saying this about 764 00:45:02,100 --> 00:45:03,930 our church. Maybe that's been true at some 765 00:45:03,940 --> 00:45:06,310 points, but where there were people saying, like all this 766 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,050 church is doing is just telling me to, to serve here and do this 767 00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:11,620 and do more, do more and do more. 768 00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:13,750 Like, like, and to the point where they're they're getting 769 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,110 burnt out cause they're trying to do their job and have their 770 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,010 family life and trying to volunteer in their church and do 771 00:45:19,020 --> 00:45:21,530 and, and in like 5 different areas, right? 772 00:45:22,450 --> 00:45:25,270 And, and like that's, that's a problem, right? 773 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,280 That's a, that's a problem for 4 churches, right? 774 00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:33,340 And so I think that like, it is something that I feel deeply 775 00:45:33,410 --> 00:45:38,920 that I, I don't want to place that sort of those sort of undue 776 00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:43,240 burdens, just stuff like burdens of life, like on someone in a 777 00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:47,330 way that is going to detrimentally affect their life, 778 00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:49,320 right? Like that's not OK, right? 779 00:45:50,030 --> 00:45:54,340 And, and sometimes we can spiritualize it in a way that, 780 00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:59,090 hey, if you're not doing this, there's, you know, there's 781 00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:01,950 something wrong with your, your faith and your, and like, that 782 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,960 can be like manipulative and, and gross. 783 00:46:06,300 --> 00:46:10,740 And so like, I, I want to avoid that like the plague. 784 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,760 And so like, that's one way I think that there is a tension 785 00:46:14,770 --> 00:46:19,960 that we run as a church community to put too much on the 786 00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:25,400 people in a way that is going to, to hinder their lives and 787 00:46:25,410 --> 00:46:27,760 their livelihood. And they're, and they're just, 788 00:46:27,980 --> 00:46:30,640 they're flourishing in their faith, right? 789 00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:35,400 That's, I mean, that's, that's something that I'm, I wrestle 790 00:46:35,410 --> 00:46:38,050 with all the time when I ask something of a volunteer. 791 00:46:38,090 --> 00:46:40,260 And it's actually super refreshing when they'll come to 792 00:46:40,270 --> 00:46:42,730 me and say, Hey, you could ask me to do four. 793 00:46:43,470 --> 00:46:46,450 And I'm like, Oh, this is good, because I don't want to put that 794 00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:49,410 on you, you know, but if you're but if your game like fantastic, 795 00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:53,590 this is I'm, I'm so grateful. But I, I, I think that from a 796 00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:59,030 spiritual, even from a, from a preaching perspective, there is 797 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,230 also attention we run of going through a message even like 798 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,250 this. And this is where, you know, 799 00:47:05,260 --> 00:47:09,330 where where I landed in the end was saying like, this is not a 800 00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:14,400 message about saying do better, because then we're doing the 801 00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:18,120 exact same thing that the Pharisees and scribes are doing, 802 00:47:18,350 --> 00:47:21,500 where it's just this constant, just do more, do better. 803 00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,400 Don't do that, Do this, where it becomes this moralism that is 804 00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:28,680 devoid. I see this moralism that's 805 00:47:28,690 --> 00:47:31,360 devoid of Jesus, this devoid of grace. 806 00:47:31,730 --> 00:47:38,020 And and and so like, that cannot be where we land each and every 807 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:44,830 Sunday with, you know, just with respect to stewarding the the 808 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,330 words of Scripture. We got to do that. 809 00:47:48,340 --> 00:47:50,630 Well, I'm gonna do that. Well, yeah. 810 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,570 Which like I think is a great place to end. 811 00:47:52,580 --> 00:47:54,250 Also, one of our cameras is shut down. 812 00:47:54,260 --> 00:47:56,870 So you know what, if you're watching, sorry, you've seen 813 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,390 Justin since the camera died, which is great. 814 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,540 You don't have to look at me which. 815 00:48:01,550 --> 00:48:04,840 I was hoping if it was one died, it was gonna be the one I'm. 816 00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:06,320 Just hoping that that one also doesn't. 817 00:48:06,330 --> 00:48:09,450 That's all right. Here, like I think that's a 818 00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:14,450 profound place to end, which is like the the gospel does demand 819 00:48:14,460 --> 00:48:17,610 something of you, yeah. But what it doesn't demand is 820 00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:25,890 test doing more. It is requiring of you to be and 821 00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:31,210 to specifically be with Jesus differently than simply just 822 00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:33,100 doing more things. Yeah. 823 00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:36,290 So for you to land us there, I thought was just perfect. 824 00:48:36,420 --> 00:48:39,690 And going into Advent and going into the Christmas season, like 825 00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:41,570 what do we want for our people is exactly. 826 00:48:41,580 --> 00:48:46,130 That so like, yeah, this week, you know, little sneak sneak 827 00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:52,930 preview, we are doing like a a week of pre advent lead in 828 00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:54,450 right. And and so you're going to take 829 00:48:54,460 --> 00:49:00,920 us through a couple of passages and and help us to almost 830 00:49:00,930 --> 00:49:04,680 unburdened some of the burdens that we carry with going into 831 00:49:04,690 --> 00:49:09,060 the business of of Christmas and and advents and and just helping 832 00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:10,900 us to focus on the most important things. 833 00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:14,500 And like I'm I'm looking forward to that because I know my soul 834 00:49:14,510 --> 00:49:17,040 needs that and I am sure I am not alone. 835 00:49:17,570 --> 00:49:21,240 So yeah, great place to to close this out. 836 00:49:21,790 --> 00:49:25,620 As always, we hope that this has been helpful for you. 837 00:49:25,930 --> 00:49:29,020 And and even just as we're talking here, like like you can 838 00:49:29,030 --> 00:49:32,140 clearly see not all of this is like resolved right? 839 00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:34,140 There is there are some things we're still walking with being 840 00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:36,910 like this is still like attention in this passage that 841 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,860 we're wrestling out. People have been wrestling these 842 00:49:39,870 --> 00:49:41,680 things out for centuries. That's OK. 843 00:49:42,090 --> 00:49:45,720 We're not gonna solve it all in a 45 minute, 50 minute podcast 844 00:49:45,730 --> 00:49:48,560 and that's OK. But we hope this is helpful as 845 00:49:48,570 --> 00:49:51,420 you are discussing things with your family, with your friends, 846 00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:54,970 with people from the church, or even just wrestling through 847 00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:57,050 internally. And if you do have questions, 848 00:49:57,060 --> 00:50:00,070 you can send them to questions at courtrightchurch.org. 849 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,880 And we'll do our best to integrate, to use the word of 850 00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:10,340 the day into, into our discussions when we when we do 851 00:50:10,350 --> 00:50:12,010 these. So hope you have a great week 852 00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:12,910 and we'll see you next time.