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This week on the In Depth 
Podcast, Danica Patrick the 

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racing icons passion started at 
a young age and made her a 

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champion. 
One day you're just going to be 

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doing the same thing that you've
been always doing and you just 

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win. 
And it just worked out and I 

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won. 
As one of the few women in 

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Motorsports, Patrick gained 
incredible fame faced judgement 

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throughout her career. 
I tried to not stand out as a 

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girl, like I don't want to be 
describing what the cars doing 

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and have them be so distracted 
by something that's feminine. 

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And fought to become the 
greatest female driver in 

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IndyCar history. 
She later made the jump to stock

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car racing, but by 2017 her 
professional and personal life 

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was in disarray. 
Leaving a relationship, letting 

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go of my job and doing something
else, there's a lot going on. 

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IN2018I visited Patrick at her 
vineyard in Napa Valley, where 

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she opened up about her decision
to retire the relationship that 

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divided her family. 
I look back and I'm like I was 

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manipulated. 
And the politics of NASCAR 

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sponsorship. 
You know, they had to be 

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motivated to go find me sponsors
and you know, motivation varied.

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But we began with some of 
Patrick's earliest memories 

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behind the wheel. 
Explain how your sister Brooke 

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was at least partly responsible 
for getting you into a. 

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Totally responsible. 
Yeah. 

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Well, when we were kids, my 
dad's always been involved in 

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racing. 
And we used to go to the dirt 

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track on Sunday night. 
My dad would work on a car, and 

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we were too young to get in the 
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So we would get like mom, Dad 
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sit in the stands and we would 
go and kill the concession 

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stands and get, you know, like 
the rainbow snow cones and like 

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licorice like that was 3 feet 
long and whatever other candy 

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I'm sure we could find. 
And and so we'd watch dirt 

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racing on Sunday, Sunday nights.
And my sister wanted to start 

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racing and she wanted to be the 
number that my dad worked on 65.

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So I think she just wanted a 
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something. 
But like it could be that simple

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when we're kids, couldn't it be?
So anyway, and there was a 

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friend of hers that was in her 
class that raced go karts. 

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So they ironically enough, lived
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So we went down ironic. 
I mean, I grew up in a town of 

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5000, so I guess it's not that 
ironic. 

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Rosco. 
Illinois, yeah. 

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I always say Chicago. 
And then they're like, oh, I 

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know Chicago. 
I'm like, OK, do you know 

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Rockford? 
And they're like, Oh yeah, I'm 

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like, do you know rotten? 
No, I don't know Roscoe. 

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And so we went and looked at the
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and and started. 
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And I feel like just in like the
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I didn't want to get left out. 
I'm sure there's things that 

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went the other way too, but I 
was like, all right, I'll do it 

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too. 
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losing interest. 
Your interest only progresses. 

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All of a sudden, you're having 
baseball cards made with your 

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picture on it. 
You know, T-shirts with your 

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picture. 
What did the family weekend 

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routine eventually become? 
It became leaving on Friday 

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after school to go to the go 
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morning, to leaving on Thursday 
night, to leaving on Thursday 

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morning. 
And I say that, but then usually

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mom and dad would get home from 
work because they still worked 

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full time. 
And we would get in trouble 

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because we didn't have the 
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We were never ready. 
And we'd load the trailer up 

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and, and head on out and we'd 
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We'd drive anywhere from locally
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first year. 
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30-40 minutes away to it went so
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driving 20 hours. 
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Florida, North Carolina, and 
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But we, we, we would get someone
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that would drive the trailer out
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But but yeah, I mean, Phoenix, 
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So we kind of raced all over the
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But my mom and dad would, you 
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just pound some candy and 
Mountain Dew and drive from the 

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time that we were done on Sunday
afternoon or evening at the 

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track all the way home and go to
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And you were involved in a bunch
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Volleyball, basketball, 
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You were cheerleader. 
Started with T-ball, Wait, coach

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pitch, then T-ball. 
Right? 

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It was a T-ball, then coach 
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I did band, choir, basketball, 
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tumbling. 
I took tumbling. 

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What was it about racing then 
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on made you know that's what you
wanted to admit, all the other 

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stuff you were involved in? 
You know, I, I loved setting 

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goals and accomplishing them. 
I loved the process of getting 

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faster over the weekend. 
I loved the mental discipline. 

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I mean, you know, working with 
my dad on these things like, but

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you know, I would execute and I 
would even, I would think of 

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little tricks too to do out 
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Like I would reach my hand down,
like I was going to tune the 

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carburetor to go faster a lot of
times out in the lead and I'd do

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that and I wouldn't actually do 
anything. 

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It was just to make them think I
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then they would do it and they 
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I knew it wasn't time. 
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then we don't need to richen it 
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But I would trick them like I 
would play little games. 

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And I mean, I did that into my 
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I mean, I remember watch, I 
remember racing at Milwaukee, 

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which is a short little flat one
mile track and I would come down

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the front straightaway and I 
would dart out like I had like a

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really big run and sure enough 
they'd leave a lane for me and 

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I'd pass them. 
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speaking course, the 12 week 
long course she took the Dale. 

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Carnegie speaking course. 
That was awful. 

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I was 14. 
I think I was 14 years old and. 

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Basically dragged to do it. 
My mom had to drive me there. 

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The average age in there I 
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I'm sure because everybody's 
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They're at least 30 some years 
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and they're learning like 
negotiate, like techniques to 

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how to do Better Business. 
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segment on remembering names, 
which I clearly didn't pay 

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attention in because I'm 
horrible at that. 

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But but that was painful. 
One of my sponsors paid for it. 

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They, they said, Hey, we'll, 
we'll pay for you to go to a, to

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go to a speaking course. 
And I guess, you know, all these

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things are just really 
interesting because somebody saw

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something in me they're not 
going to, you're not going to 

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send someone to a speaking 
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something that's going to be 
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don't think somebody's got it 
right. 

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So, you know, they saw something
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that I was prepared, so they 
paid for it and I had to go. 

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And I think it was like you 
could only miss 2 of 14 classes.

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So I remember bawling a couple 
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It seems a pivotal moment and 
really your life was England. 

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Not only like what been there, 
but how you ended up getting 

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through and overcoming it. 
You're at the Brickyard in high 

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school. 
Lynn St. 

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James introduces you to an heir 
to a prominent Texas oil family.

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What does he say that pretty 
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you had to do in going to 
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Yeah, this, this British guy who
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really wealthy family said you 
could learn more in one year in 

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England than five years here. 
And I was like, well, that sure 

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sounds like something I need to 
do then, you know, like I'm 

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probably going to say that while
I was drinking my Kitty cocktail

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at the at the bar because I 
think we were sitting at a bar 

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inside the suite. 
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thinking, well, that's what I 
need to do. 

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And so from that point on, I go 
racing and win more and do 

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really well. 
And two years later, when I was 

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16 years old, they contacted us 
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It was during during the Indy 
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And they said we've been 
following your career for the 

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last two years. 
We'd really like to talk to you.

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And so we have this joke like 
there's stuff that you do and 

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don't want to do, but I always 
end up doing the right thing. 

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And I remember I didn't want to 
go and even my dad didn't really

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want to go. 
It's a four hour drive from 

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where we live down to Indy and 
it was raining out and it was 

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just for the meeting and it was 
like, do we really need to go? 

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Is it really? 
Well, we ended up going and then

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sure enough, they're like we 
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And so I went that summer and 
tested a car and then went back 

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at the end of the year for the 
winter series race and then 

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moved back the next year and 
called out of high school when I

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was 16 in the middle of my 
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And at that point in time I 
went, I want to be a race car 

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driver. 
And then I was like, OK, I got 

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to make this work because I just
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School, and I mean credit to 
your parents for like, believing

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in you enough and letting you go
as just a high school kid moving

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alone. 
Go back and think of the 

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likelihood of me making it. 
The likelihood of any athlete 

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making it all the way to the top
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I mean, it just is. 
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sure, get your D GED Danica, 
like, just go try this. 

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And then hopefully it all works 
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Like, that's a bold move. 
I know my mom was really sad. 

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Like, my mom cried, from what I 
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me being gone. 
But what they said was they were

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like, well, it would be worse if
you didn't have the opportunity.

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Yeah, I mean, it seemed like, 
you know, your parents were 

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doing the best they could to, 
you know, see you a lot. 

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They think between both of your 
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one separately, individually, 
would go twice a year to visit 

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you in London. 
But you move, or I'm sorry, you 

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move 45 minutes outside of 
London. 

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Yeah, I was going to say that 
would have been really cool if I

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was like actually in London, but
I was outside in a little town 

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that called Milton Keynes that 
for two of the three years, one 

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other year, I lived even further
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But yeah, it was definitely not 
London, but. 

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How old do you remember what the
owner said out there after you 

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finished? 
Better than your teammates one 

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time. 
Yeah, well, we were at 

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Donington, which is a track in 
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it was, I think it was kind of 
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And I remember sitting on pit 
lane, there was some chairs and 

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one of the cars pulled in and 
asked who was fastest. 

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And like, the owner stuck his 
head in the window and is like 

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the freaking girls fastest. 
What are you doing? 

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Like as in it shouldn't be that 
way. 

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And that's always been the 
biggest struggle is getting 

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people to really believe in me, 
believe in what I believe I can 

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do. 
And it's fine. 

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I've had people people believe 
that, yes. 

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But it takes a lot more than 
just one person on a team to 

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believe that the whole like 
you're only as strong as your 

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weakest link. 
If the collective doesn't 

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believe in it or most all, then 
you're not going to get what you

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need. 
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How did that affect you then? 
I just remember feeling 

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disappointed, disappointed that 
I wasn't acknowledged for what I

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was doing. 
Didn't like your host family 

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either. 
What do you remember saying when

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the husband asks you to go fetch
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Like if anyone ever said told me
to go fetch something I just I'd

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go fetch it and forget to bring 
it back and just keep walking 

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out. 
I mean, I'm sure it's maybe a 

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little bit of like different 
dial dial, like the words that 

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you use in different countries. 
Maybe. 

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I don't know, That's me being as
nice as possible. 

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But yeah, he she was, you know, 
she took care of the kids and 

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had dinner on the table and it 
was like a plethora of bowls of 

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salads and meats and vegetables 
and just like the whole thing. 

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And he'd be like, oh, Mitch, go 
fetch me a beer. 

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Like that's what he said. 
The same guy that said the girls

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quickest. 
What are you doing So? 

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Partied a little, partied a 
little too much, You're 

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confronted by your parents. 
I didn't party too much. 

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Party the appropriate. 
No, you know what I did? 

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I, I was going out like I'm a 
teenager, but I wasn't it. 

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I wasn't worse than it. 
I mean, I was, I went out less 

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than everybody else, but it 
doesn't matter. 

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People are always looking for a 
reason. 

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You know, I think when you stand
out and you're different, people

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are looking for a reason. 
And but yes, I was. 

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It was too having too much fun. 
What do you say when your 

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parents confront you about it 
with the sponsor pulls out and 

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your parents confront you? 
Well, I came home from the 

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season and the winter and I 
remember being sat down and I 

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think that my managers were 
saying they weren't going to 

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keep going with me. 
And so this was after year one 

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and of the three years that I 
was there eventually and they 

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said that I was going out too 
much and partying and not 

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serious and not taking it, 
taking it seriously. 

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And so, yeah, I just kind of 
like broke down and ended up, I 

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got a job. 
I worked at the limited 2T OO 

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for a while. 
I didn't do very well at that. 

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I didn't do very well at all. 
No, no, that's not my that's not

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my jam. 
I remember I had worked there 

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for like 2 days and somebody 
wanted a certain lotion or 

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something like, OK, go find it. 
And they're like, I came and 

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asked you because I thought 
you'd know where it was. 

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And like the old here's the 
problem. 

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My route is like so much worse 
than your route. 

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You'll never remember the first 
route. 

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So, so that's all I'm going to 
say about that. 

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And then the next time there's 
someone checking out and they 

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like, we sold garbage cans I 
guess. 

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And there was a little garbage 
can and they're like, do you 

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have a box for this? 
And I was like, I'm sorry, 

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ma'am, you know, I've checked. 
No, we don't have a box. 

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Well, if you sell it, you, I 
have a box for it. 

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So of course I snip back and I'm
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it's the only thing this size in
the right in the whole place and

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I get it's probably why we don't
have a box for it. 

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Like I got written up twice in 
like a month. 

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Anyway, it wasn't really for me,
but I got a job and then when I 

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went back, that's when I lived 
with the family, like on 

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lockdown. 
How did you convince the sponsor

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to stay with you? 
Just that I would change and 

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move and do do things 
differently and yeah, commit all

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the way and try it again. 
So Bobby Ray Hall, who was 

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obviously impressed, 
appropriately so, by the lengths

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to which you went to advance 
your career, says you know you 

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came back from England with your
tail between your legs, a shadow

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your former self. 
In what ways? 

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I I went over like super raw, 
open, friendly, trusting and was

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and not treated well, not 
respected as a friend even let 

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alone a driver and just really 
learned that being open didn't 

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get me anywhere other than being
taken advantage of and feeling. 

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Why do you feel that way? 
Well, because I was never making

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real friends. 
Like when I let, when I left, 

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nobody ever called me ever. 
I mean, I spent three years 

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there and saw certain people a 
lot. 

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And, you know, there was never 
like a, hey, how's it going, You

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know, three years and so never 
had real friends and simple 

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things like I'd be going back to
the States for a week or two and

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I wouldn't want to leave my car 
at Heathrow. 

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And I could never find a friend 
that would be willing to drop me

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off at the airport. 
Like simple stuff like that 

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where you just knew you didn't 
have real friends and so. 

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Which at the times like. 
17/18/19 years old like you just

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want a friend and so very one 
sided and and so I just feel 

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like I was taught to not trust 
and generally not have a lot of 

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faith in people. 
This is a Ray hall when you were

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in Europe. 
And turn the emotions off too. 

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I think I forgot that like just 
turn the emotion off. 

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It was just all so bad and I was
so miserable. 

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Like just turn emotions off. 
So they described me as being 

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very cold when I came back. 
Right, how do you but how do you

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turn the emotions off you just 
let's I mean you just able to. 

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Yeah, it wasn't like I was one 
of those people that like did 

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something to like not feel 
right, like people will do drugs

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or you know, like I was not. 
I didn't. 

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I just, I have it. 
I mean, I just stopped. 

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Maybe stop being so 
conversational. 

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Like I just didn't go so far as 
to even find emotion. 

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June 2002, Milwaukee, You and I 
think your dad were there to 

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like, watch the race, 
networking. 

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What did you ask Ray Hall yet 
again, and how did he respond 

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differently? 
Well, this was another one of 

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those examples of not really 
wanting to go to the track but 

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always doing the right thing. 
So dad did, Dad said, you know, 

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like we should go up to 
Milwaukee and end of the track 

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and go walk around and see how 
it's going and, you know, see if

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I can find some, find a ride for
me. 

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And and we had done that a lot 
and I just was over it. 

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I was like, that is not doing 
any good. 

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Like it's just, it's miserable. 
Nothing. 

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No one ever wants to do 
anything. 

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I don't want to go. 
And he's like, let's just go for

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an hour. 
And just before this had 

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happened, I had a random phone 
call with somebody saying, Hey, 

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I have a potential primary 
sponsor for you to race 

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Atlantic's. 
If you have a letter of intent 

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from Bobby Rahal to say that 
you're going to like, he's going

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to have a team and you'll race 
for him. 

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And so anyway, go to the track 
there for less than 45 minutes 

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in the hospitality area for for 
Bobby's team. 

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And he comes walking in and I'm 
just getting it. 

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I'm getting it done. 
And so I walk over and I'm like,

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hey, I've heard we can have a 
full primary sponsor if there's 

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a, if there's a letter of intent
that says that we're going to 

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have we're I'm going to race for
you. 

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And he just said, OK. 
And then later on, this is in 

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recent time, I find out like 
everybody afterwards is like, 

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what are you doing? 
And he was like, what am I 

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doing? 
But two weeks later, we went out

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to Laguna Seca and had a press 
conference and signed a letter 

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of intent. 
It was the first time I'd ever 

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seen the Pacific Ocean, which is
very fun and went out and and 

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beautiful in that beautiful area
of the of California and signed 

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the letter of intent and sure 
enough started the team and. 

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If not for that, how do you 
think your career trajectory 

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would have been different? 
I don't know because I mean at 

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that point in time, at that 
point in time, and let's see, in

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2001, I raced about 5 races in 
the Formula Ford series in 

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England at the beginning of the 
year, came home, didn't race the

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rest of the year. 
At the end of 2001, I got a ride

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to drive sports cars back in 
America and then the team didn't

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end up racing the next year 
because of certain technical 

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reasons, so I didn't actually 
race. 

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And then at the end of that, 
then that year, 2002, after 

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Bobby said he'd sign me, we we'd
raced 5 Barbara Dodge Pro Series

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races to kind of familiar, 
familiarize myself with some 

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tracks. 
And then we started racing 

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Atlantics in 2003. 
And then Fast forward to 2004, 

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all of a sudden in May of 2004, 
after racing for him for a year 

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and a half, he announces that 
media day at the Indy 500 where 

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I was not racing at, that I was 
going to raise the Indy 500 the 

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next year. 
And I was like what? 

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Like it just came out of 
nowhere. 

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So I have no idea where I would 
be, which is why I'm so 

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grateful, Which is why when he 
needs something, you know, I 

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want to be a friend and help and
I'm grateful. 

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When Bobby Ray Hall approached 
you about FHM magazine, what was

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your initial reaction? 
Yeah, that was like one of those

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pivotal things for me to do 
something so feminine, so sexy. 

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I think I wore pleather, so I 
don't know what else you want to

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call that, but but to do 
something like that, I was open 

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to it. 
I don't really care. 

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I was interested, but I was then
also a little afraid, like what 

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people might think of me and if 
they would. 

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Dismiss me even more as a driver
because I was doing those 

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things. 
But what I what I realized 

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afterwards is it drummed up a 
whole lot of attention and it 

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didn't take away from what I was
capable of as a driver. 

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So. 
And correct me if I'm wrong, but

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up to that point you were always
trying to fit in and be one of 

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the guys in this. 
Was stand out as a girl, like 

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you try and just like, you know,
not wear like nail Polish and 

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you know, just I mean, I'm I'm 
already a girl so like I don't 

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need to drive that home or make 
people. 

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I don't want to be describing 
what the cars doing and have 

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them be so distracted by 
something that's feminine and 

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not listen to me, basically. 
So, So yeah, I always found 

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myself kind of veering away from
being like using being a girl, 

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using being a girl to do 
anything. 

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And then after I did that, I 
realized that it's part of who I

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am, and it's also what can give 
me an advantage. 

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To what extent overnight did how
some people that you you almost 

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changed in terms of all of a 
sudden you became like this sex 

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symbol. 
Well, you know, you do one thing

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like that and it opens the door 
and I'm going to open the door 

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for me too. 
Like I ended up doing, you know,

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a Sports Illustrated swimsuit 
issue then and, and various 

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different things. 
So. 

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Was it that quickly of a change?
Yeah, I think that I just ended 

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up realizing the power of using 
all of your attributes to your 

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advantage. 
And I and I always say to people

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that I never did anything that I
was uncomfortable with. 

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So it wasn't like I I felt like,
oh, I shouldn't do this or like 

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I felt in insecure, like like I 
was stepping outside of my own 

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personal boundaries. 
And that's another thing that I 

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felt like it gave me an 
opportunity to say is, is that 

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we're all very multi dimensional
people as human beings. 

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We're not just like you're not 
just you don't just work and 

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interview people. 
You're like, oh, well, I also 

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like this and I like to travel 
or maybe I like photography, 

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maybe I like cooking. 
So, so as a female, you know, do

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I like to be, do I like my job 
as a race car driver and to be 

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tough and aggressive and go do 
that? 

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Yeah, but I also like to be 
feminine and sexy. 

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And that's another part of me 
too. 

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And so why, why can't I show off
all those sides of my 

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personality and use them to my 
advantage then? 

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So. 
Did you know that at the time, 

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or did you realize after you did
the first shoot? 

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Oh, this is actually kind of 
fun. 

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I. 
Think I realized that over time 

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that it was fun and it was 
beneficial and this is an 

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extension of my personality and 
as long as I didn't do anything 

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that I was uncomfortable with, I
was fine. 

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So your dad was a snowmobile 
racer, finished in the, you 

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know, top ten, met your mom at a
race. 

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They had a variety of businesses
when you were growing up. 

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Oil change garage, coffee shop, 
drywall company, commercial 

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glass business. 
What do you know about what all 

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the work entailed? 
Well, I think that's probably 

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why I'm very entrepreneurial 
based because I saw that. 

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I saw that growing up. 
Yeah, I think so. 

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Like I'm the kind of person that
thinks, oh, I would, I love 

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health and fitness or something.
And like, you know, a workout, 

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I'll just write it. 
Or food, like, oh, I'll just 

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create a product and sell it. 
Like I'm not, I'm always 

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thinking of doing it myself. 
Like how do I take this on 

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myself? 
How do I create the business for

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myself instead of work with 
someone else? 

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Well, it's going to be tough, 
tough race. 

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We'll have that walk on our 
side. 

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We'll give it our best shot. 
Your dad, I think, was working 

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seven days a week at the time, 
really long hours. 

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Your sister Brooke was telling 
me the other day that she 

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00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,960
basically doesn't have a memory 
of your dad that predates when 

446
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,920
you guys were racing. 
And I think you guys started 

447
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,120
racing at like 8 and 1010 years 
old. 

448
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:12,640
That's how true is that for you 
too. 

449
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,640
Definitely. 
He was gone before we got up in 

450
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040
the morning. 
He had a long drive to work 

451
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,480
where he worked for a while when
we were really, really young. 

452
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,240
And then I guess based on that 
long drive home and mom probably

453
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
putting us to bed at 6:00 PM, we
never really, we didn't see him 

454
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,560
when we, you know, at the end of
the day either. 

455
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:33,240
So and then with, you know, 
working on the weekends and 

456
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,920
like, we just didn't really see 
him. 

457
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,360
So racing became a way of 
spending time together as a 

458
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:40,640
family on the weekends. 
That's why we started. 

459
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,760
We were going to buy a pontoon 
boat, but. 

460
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,280
The. 
Guy didn't apparently didn't 

461
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,440
want to sell it so or forgot or 
lost a number. 

462
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,320
Either way, I feel like I owe 
him and I it would be so fun to 

463
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,000
find that guy. 
Actually, really would be. 

464
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,120
And buy that pontoon boat. 
What financial toll do you think

465
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,560
you're racing took on the 
family? 

466
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,760
Oh yeah, my parents found a ton 
of money. 

467
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,960
I mean, I get the end in 
England, you know, especially 

468
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,360
when all that stuff was going 
down with, you know, judging my,

469
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,840
my activities, my 
extracurricular and thinking I 

470
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,560
wasn't serious, you know, that's
where my parents had to step up 

471
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,880
and start spending their own 
money. 

472
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,680
And so I know it was a lot. 
I know it was. 

473
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,800
How did you see that at the time
I. 

474
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,800
Don't think when you're a kid 
you really get it right. 

475
00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,160
I mean, how long does it take to
really like understand money? 

476
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,240
A while, You know, I feel like, 
I feel like as parents you're, 

477
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,440
you know, into the teenage years
and even 20s sometimes you're 

478
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,800
well, at least until you're on 
your own. 

479
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,120
A parent's mission is always to 
get them, get your kid to 

480
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,520
understand the value of a 
dollar. 

481
00:25:43,360 --> 00:25:47,840
So, you know, when I was racing 
from 10 to even in England at 16

482
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,520
to 19 years old, you know, I 
understand they committed, but I

483
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,560
was, it wasn't like we had to, 
it wasn't like I went home and 

484
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,320
they had to sell their cars, 
sell their house or downsize or 

485
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,520
whatever. 
I think that my dad just worked 

486
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,400
that much harder. 
Although Brooke was saying she 

487
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,880
basically suggested to her 
parents her not going on one of 

488
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,080
the like extracurricular school 
trips that would cost money 

489
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,400
because she knew things were 
tight and they needed it. 

490
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,200
For yeah, my sister was big into
cheerleading and so she would 

491
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,600
take like a a trip every year 
that was kind of a fun trip to 

492
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,840
go. 
Like we performed in like the 

493
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,200
Brock's holiday parade in 
Chicago as one of them. 

494
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,680
We went to Cancun, Mexico for 
one of them and performed in a 

495
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,480
parade down there. 
So like every year she would go 

496
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,760
somewhere as an All Star 
cheerleader and go do a fun 

497
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,640
event. 
And so yeah, I'm yeah, I mean, 

498
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,000
thanks Brock. 
She's always been the Super 

499
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,120
supportive, like from the, she's
always the glass half full. 

500
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,360
She was always the +1. 
I don't know where she got it 

501
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,120
from, but. 
The differing roles your parents

502
00:26:58,120 --> 00:27:01,040
played in your career over the 
years would be what? 

503
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,800
Mom is referee and she would say
that there was plenty of times 

504
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,400
we'd be driving home from a go 
Kart race and, you know, 

505
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:18,200
everybody's crying and dad's 
yelling and critiquing me, 

506
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,240
judging me on what I didn't do 
right. 

507
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:25,760
And Mom would try and chime in 
and she's, I remember her like 

508
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,920
crying being like, I'm sick of 
being the referee. 

509
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,920
Brooke was always the +1. 
Dad was always well, I guess how

510
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,400
do you? 
I wanted to just say -1 I mean, 

511
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,040
yes, he was, but. 
He was the emotional 1 like you.

512
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:48,760
Yeah, and irrational. 
The best way I can describe him 

513
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,320
is that he, you know, and I did 
describe him this way a long, 

514
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,000
long time ago. 
Is that he, he never told me I 

515
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,120
had to do anything. 
It wasn't like you told me I had

516
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,200
to be a race car driver. 
Come on, you know, keep pushing.

517
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,160
He, he would ask me on a regular
basis if I wanted to keep going.

518
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,360
He's like, if you want to do 
this, I'll help you. 

519
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,840
He's like, if you want to quit, 
that's fine. 

520
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,520
And they never let me quit in 
the middle. 

521
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,040
It'd be like at the end of the 
season, I could have. 

522
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,680
And no matter what I did, 
whether it was, you know, coach,

523
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,760
pitch, t-ball, basketball 
season, racing, finish, whatever

524
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,360
you've started, at least for the
season. 

525
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,400
And and I always said I want to 
do it. 

526
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,680
He's like, all right, well, I'm 
going to help you do it. 

527
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:24,640
Then I hope you do it the right 
way. 

528
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,560
And so he I described him as a 
puller, not a pusher. 

529
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,960
We were in the UK not too long 
ago taping an episode with Lewis

530
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,440
Hamilton. 
He said the hardest thing he's 

531
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,560
ever had to do in his life was 
firing his dad as manager. 

532
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,680
To what extent was it the same 
for you? 

533
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,000
Oh yeah. 
That was horrible my both my 

534
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,640
parents worked for me. 
Both my parents and they sold 

535
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,440
the glass company so that they 
could come, you know, manage me,

536
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,440
drive my bus, do everything. 
I think that it's best to not 

537
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,840
have your parents working for 
you. 

538
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,760
I do, especially when the boss 
is a child. 

539
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,680
I think that's a really, really 
tough dynamic. 

540
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,480
Like how do you hold your 
parents accountable for the 

541
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,960
little things when they're your 
parents? 

542
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,040
You know, on top of that, I was 
pushed into certain family 

543
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,720
dynamics based on a relationship
that we're on that we're not. 

544
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,720
OK. 
Like I look back and I'm like, I

545
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,160
was manipulated. 
I was, you know, you know, I was

546
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,240
in a relationship where I was 
kind of forced to choose and 

547
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,680
push my parents out. 
And it was really sad. 

548
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,920
But it was just, it was my 
reality then. 

549
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,880
And so once I started 
understanding what I really 

550
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,880
wanted in life and who I was, I 
realized I how important my 

551
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,120
family was to me. 
I didn't see my family. 

552
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,920
I didn't see my parents for five
years at Christmas or 

553
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,400
Thanksgiving. 
Like, I didn't see them for the 

554
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,000
holidays for five years because 
I was forced to choose, because 

555
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,560
they were taking advantage of 
me, because they weren't doing a

556
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,680
good job, because they were, you
know, and didn't have my best 

557
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,400
interests at heart. 
This is what your partner at. 

558
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:02,520
The time was telling you. 
Yeah. 

559
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,800
And so did you believe that 
part? 

560
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,240
Well, I mean, when you're 
manipulated, of course you are 

561
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,760
you Of course you believe bad 
things. 

562
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
And some things are true, right?
Some things are true. 

563
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:16,400
But. 
But I, I know, like, look, I 

564
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,400
know what they don't. 
Parents don't always do the 

565
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,160
right thing, but they, they, I 
think they always want the best.

566
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,720
I don't think they always know 
how because they've got parents 

567
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,920
too that screwed it up and their
parents screwed it up and their 

568
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,240
parents screwed up. 
Like, there's always, there's 

569
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,480
always perfect. 
And so. 

570
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,800
So yeah. 
Did they do some things wrong? 

571
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,800
Like, sure. 
Like Mom, did you need to go buy

572
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,840
that computer? 
Where did you get that computer?

573
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,880
Well, I bought it. 
What'd you buy it with? 

574
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,800
Well, I bought it on the 
business. 

575
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,080
I'm like, did you ask? 
You know, I mean, that kind of 

576
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,160
stuff is not acceptable. 
But, you know, like they didn't 

577
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,840
know any different. 
That's how they did everything. 

578
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,440
You know, they just, they just, 
they didn't know. 

579
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,200
And so, you know, boundaries 
were hard with parents. 

580
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:59,720
So between, you know, being 
pushed to choose to family, you 

581
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,680
know, my my blood family over, 
you know, new relationship 

582
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520
family, and then the fact that 
their parents working for you 

583
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,280
and that dynamic is impossible 
and just it's always going to 

584
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,840
run its course. 
You know, it was difficult, like

585
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,040
that was just a super hard time.
And I mean. 

586
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,840
How did you tell them? 
Well, I'm sure I was, I'm sure 

587
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,880
it was a super insensitive, 
manipulated coaching into 

588
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,680
writing something down in a 
spiral notebook instead of just 

589
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,920
going speak from the heart, call
your parents. 

590
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,320
Like it was freaking planned out
and every word was spoken and 

591
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,360
probably read and it's the right
thing to do, but it's still 

592
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,040
very, very uncomfortable. 
And there was a, you know, at 

593
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,840
that point in time, there was 
definitely a lot less talking to

594
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,040
them and didn't see them as 
much. 

595
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Your sister said one of the 
hardest parts was just figuring 

596
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,000
out what all of a sudden they'd 
be doing on race weekends, 

597
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,520
because how strange was it to 
ask them not to come to race 

598
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,640
weekends anymore when they 
basically seen every. 

599
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Single one of my races. 
Oh yeah, that was all part of 

600
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,240
it, too. 
Like you can't come to the track

601
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,400
anymore. 
Like it was harsh and wasn't all

602
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,400
me, that's for sure. 
And so it was a very difficult 

603
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,400
time. 
The whole dynamic of family is 

604
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,440
all complicated because it's all
emotional and it's all personal.

605
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,440
So and as a budding human being,
you're also trying to figure 

606
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,800
yourself out and who you are as 
an adult trying to deal with 

607
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:33,160
adults and so and all find your 
new place in the world as, you 

608
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,240
know, competent human beings, 
taking care of your own bills 

609
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,440
and whatnot. 
So it was a super difficult 

610
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,640
time. 
How did you get through it? 

611
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,840
I mean, in the end, like when I 
was separated from, you know, 

612
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,080
that person, like honestly, I 
called my parents and everything

613
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:53,000
was 100% normal within right 
away, really right away. 

614
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,440
Like there was absolutely and it
didn't even feel awkward. 

615
00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,120
And I'm a really good person at 
feeling and energy and you know,

616
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,720
I know a lot more about that 
hippity dippity stuff now, but 

617
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,720
back then I could and you know, 
I can feel when it's awkward or 

618
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
uncomfortable and tense and it 
never was. 

619
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,240
As soon as I called my parents 
when I was on my own, they were,

620
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,600
it was all normal. 
I can't. 

621
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,400
I mean, it's just, it's 
wonderful. 

622
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,320
So your dad, I think, had been 
going to the Indianapolis 500 

623
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,680
since 1974. 
I'm sure he's got, you know, 

624
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
shirtless photos to prove it. 
And then all of a sudden his 

625
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,440
daughter's racing in it. 
Why do you think it's still 

626
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,960
emotional for him when he talks 
about it? 

627
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,280
Because he's super emotional. 
I think, you know, like, you 

628
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,760
know, I mean, I'm the same way. 
But a lot of times before the 

629
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,600
Indy 500, I think he just can 
feel the gravity of the 

630
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,160
situation, the perspective and, 
you know, would hug me before 

631
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,800
the race and would be welled up 
with tears in his eyes saying 

632
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,680
good luck. 
I'm like Ted Stop. 

633
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,040
I got to keep it together. 
I got a job to do. 

634
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,440
But he's just an emotional guy. 
And he, you know, that's the 

635
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,880
fire in him. 
That's what makes him super out 

636
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:12,360
of control, angry at times but 
also super emotional and sad but

637
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,120
grateful and happy at times. 
So that's just him. 

638
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,080
He's just loaded with emotion. 
I wonder if you still feel the 

639
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,040
same now, but you've been quoted
before as saying not going for 

640
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,520
the victory in that first 500 
was the greatest regret of your 

641
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,040
life. 
Why? 

642
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,360
Well, because they're hard to 
come by period. 

643
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:41,719
And you know, being experienced 
now, looking back, like I would 

644
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,679
have rather hoped for a yellow 
at the very end and then and Ben

645
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,280
stayed in the lead then, you 
know, playing it safe to make 

646
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,199
sure that I had enough fuel to 
finish the race. 

647
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,760
Like much cooler to run out of 
fuel in the lead than it is to 

648
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,960
just drop back at the end. 
I mean, it was still a great 

649
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,240
story. 
But, you know, play the lucky 

650
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,840
dog card and, you know, hope for
hope for some luck where you can

651
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:06,880
win the race. 
So anyway, I would have just 

652
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,840
banked on hoping I had enough or
a yellow instead of just 

653
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,160
detuning myself. 
And you even felt that way at 

654
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,000
the time, even given the history
of, I mean, you know, the when 

655
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,280
the woman first qualified for 
the Indy 500, women weren't even

656
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,320
allowed in the pits or the 
garage or the press box. 

657
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:28,080
And all of a sudden you're a 
hair away from, I know, winning 

658
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,080
it. 
And of course this is not what I

659
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,360
knew then, which is why I didn't
include it in the decision. 

660
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:36,360
But we didn't have the right 
systems in place to know exactly

661
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,760
how much fuel was left. 
So I ended with enough for 2 1/2

662
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,520
more laps. 
So another, you know, that was 

663
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,600
just the that was just like the 
the real information on how I 

664
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,800
could have, you know, made it 
but. 26 years old. 

665
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,880
Indeed, Japan 300 described the 
emotion of winning that race. 

666
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,920
I remember earlier in the season
a driver named Brian Herda 

667
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,600
telling me he used to race for 
the team that I was racing for 

668
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,520
then and had since retired. 
And you're just hanging out at 

669
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,200
one of the tracks. 
And I remember him saying, like,

670
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,920
one day you're just going to be 
doing the same thing that you've

671
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,400
been always doing, and you're 
just win. 

672
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,200
And I was like, OK, cool. 
You know, sure, OK. 

673
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,200
And sure enough in Japan, that 
was what happened. 

674
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,760
You know, you're just doing the 
same thing that you're always 

675
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,720
doing. 
And it just worked out. 

676
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,080
And I won. 
For me it was a big relief like 

677
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,160
given the fact that I nearly won
8500 my first year, which was 

678
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,200
race #4 of that season, I 
believe maybe four or five, you 

679
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
know, waiting, you know, taking 
that many more years to get 

680
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,600
there was was frustrating, 
especially I would say to look 

681
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:51,240
back on 2007, which was my first
full year with Within Ready 

682
00:36:51,240 --> 00:36:54,240
green. 
That season I was, I mean, like 

683
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,800
I was top five every weekend and
running really well. 

684
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,640
And that was when Dario 
Franchitti was on the team and 

685
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,880
he won the Indy 500 in 2007. 
And from that point on, like 

686
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,160
team instructions were you 
followed Dario and you help him 

687
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,360
win the championship. 
And I'm just young and I'm just 

688
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,040
like, OK, you know, like I get 
it. 

689
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,280
And you know, you do what you 
can. 

690
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,120
Like you can win if you have a 
chance, but it's like sometimes 

691
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,160
to win you have to pass him. 
So like I remember looking at 

692
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,240
that year and thinking how many 
did, how many opportunities did 

693
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,920
I throw away because I was doing
what I was told kind of. 

694
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,720
And I'm sure could be argued 
like you could have gone to win 

695
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,960
if you like, you can go try and 
win if you want. 

696
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,920
But it's like I remember that 
being the feeling that you're of

697
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,760
not feeling like I, I was 
supported in that decision. 

698
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,640
So, you know, in 2008 came when 
I finally won. 

699
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,840
It was like finally, you know, 
like, look, I've been there the 

700
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,680
whole time. 
Haley Moore was telling me how 

701
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:57,760
you guys were passing the Oh 
yeah, warm sake around. 

702
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,600
The green scarf and yeah, we 
airport normally afterwards. 

703
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,560
Like, I think I probably argued 
for probably 10 seconds about 

704
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,600
like, no, I want to stay and go 
out in Japan and go out in Tokyo

705
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,960
in the Roppongi district and 
like, have a good time and 

706
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,160
celebrate the win. 
They're like, no, you have to go

707
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,440
back to LA, You're going to the 
Champ car race in Long Beach, 

708
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,160
then we're going to go to New 
York and do media. 

709
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,440
And it was just like, whatever. 
You guys were cut off on the 

710
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,720
plane. 
Oh, yeah. 

711
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:29,880
So, but on the helicopter ride 
from the from the track to the 

712
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,360
airport, Tony Kannan gave me the
humongous bottle of sake. 

713
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,840
And it was just being passed 
around in a circle until we 

714
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,760
finished that. 
And then we got to the airport 

715
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,840
and then got in the airplane, 
drank all the champagne. 

716
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Then we drank all the vodka. 
And I think maybe, maybe, I 

717
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,920
don't know if we drank all the. 
I think we drank all the vodka. 

718
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,120
Yeah, but we definitely ran out 
of maybe like cranberry juice or

719
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,000
pineapple. 
And then, I mean, we just 

720
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,960
crushed it. 
And so Scott Dixon was on the 

721
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,640
flight. 
And then sitting right behind me

722
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,160
was Dan Weldon. 
And so like, we just, we just 

723
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,320
partied hard. 
And it was, I don't, I think we 

724
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,160
went to Waffle House maybe when 
we got in. 

725
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,520
And then I remember having and 
it was like late at night and I 

726
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,440
remember having to get up at 
like 2:45 in the morning for 

727
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,640
hair and makeup to make East 
Coast Morning News the next day 

728
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,440
and then go to the track to the 
race for the Champ car race and 

729
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,200
then head to New York right 
afterwards. 

730
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,400
Like, thank God I was young and 
didn't get hungover so easily. 

731
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,600
Nowadays I'd be like, you know, 
I'd be in like. 

732
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,880
Please, you're still. 
I'd be getting an IV and you 

733
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,200
know, definitely eating Zofran 
to make sure that I could 

734
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,720
function. 
How would you explain the 

735
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,480
difference between NASCAR and 
IndyCar? 

736
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,280
Well, there's different parts of
it. 

737
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
I mean, people wise. 
When I went to NASCAR, I 

738
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,200
remember feeling like, so I 
lived in England, then I came 

739
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,360
back to America. 
IndyCar felt so American. 

740
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,720
And then when I left IndyCar and
went to NASCAR, I was like, Oh 

741
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:52,280
my God, NASCAR is so American. 
There's so many foreign and 

742
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,200
European people in in IndyCar. 
So it's, you know, 

743
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,800
international, I guess you could
say felt much more international

744
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,000
IndyCar. 
And there's definitely a lot of 

745
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,840
posing. 
I always felt like in an 

746
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,640
IndyCar, everybody was like, you
know, who could go to the hall 

747
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,840
or earlier to show they were 
more committed. 

748
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,480
Who is people would like not 
have a drink the entire season 

749
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
because it was the season, you 
know, And then you go to NASCAR 

750
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,400
and it's like, whatever. 
And like, you know, people are 

751
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,760
rolling in on helicopters an 
hour before practice starts and,

752
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,160
you know, out like crushing 
beers the night before. 

753
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,080
Like, I mean, it's just like, 
OK, I'm an exaggerated a little 

754
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,800
bit, but maybe some people 
crushed beers. 

755
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,360
I don't know. 
But definitely like so much more

756
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,000
friendly, like loosey goosey, 
like have fun, you know, be 

757
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,880
friendly, So friendly, I would 
say, and less posing, less maybe

758
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:52,480
faking it, you know, fronting. 
And then yeah, I mean, the 

759
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640
racing was, you know, racing was
different because it went from 

760
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,520
not being able to touch each 
other on track to being able to 

761
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,360
bump. 
So you know, that's just the 

762
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,960
difference between the body work
in the car. 

763
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,640
The steepest part of the 
learning curve for you from 

764
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,600
IndyCar to NASCAR would be what?
And if you had to do it over 

765
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,600
again, would you make the same 
decision to make the switch? 

766
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,000
I mean, I think I did what I 
could. 

767
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,680
I mean, I did a whole season of 
Nationwide before I went to 

768
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,880
Cups, so that was a 
recommendation. 

769
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,760
I didn't really want to do that,
but I did that. 

770
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,240
I feel like I did a good job of 
giving it a shot. 

771
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,600
I think what I didn't realize 
was just how, you know, the 

772
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,800
whole movie Days of Thunder, 
there's nothing to talk about a 

773
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,720
stock car. 
So true. 

774
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,960
And, you know, the teams always 
make a really big difference and

775
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,760
you know, not just team itself, 
but then like the individual 

776
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,840
cars within the teams. 
I think that's why you see the 

777
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,600
drivers thinking the guys at the
shop because then people working

778
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,480
on the cars because it's a big 
deal. 

779
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,560
It makes a big difference. 
And so, you know, that kind of 

780
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,800
goes back to that whole getting 
people to believe in me and what

781
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,280
I could do and putting in the 
amount of effort that it's going

782
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,520
to take to get there and how, 
you know, 1 believes in you. 

783
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,080
That's just not enough. 
Like there's that one person 

784
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,920
can't build the whole car, you 
know, do everything. 

785
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,000
That was that was the hardest 
part was just that there was so 

786
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,280
much that was out of my control.
I look back and Indy cars are 

787
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,720
much more, much more even than 
stock cars. 

788
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,280
Looking back, do you think you 
would have preferred to stay in 

789
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,040
I'm? 
Really not a regretful go to 

790
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,000
NASCAR or try. 
Formula One or. 

791
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:36,840
Yeah, I'm not a regretful 
person. 

792
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,760
I'm not a like, I don't look 
back. 

793
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,600
I think I wish I would have done
it different because I'm happy 

794
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,720
where I am now. 
But and everything leads to, you

795
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,480
know, one thing leads to the 
next in life. 

796
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,800
And so yeah, I didn't go as well
as I wanted, but I learned and 

797
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,720
it was a great experience and I 
had fun doing it. 

798
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,720
Some stuff wasn't fun and that's
why I end up retiring. 

799
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,800
What made 2017 the hardest year 
of your career? 

800
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Well, for various reasons, I 
mean like my primary sponsor 

801
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,880
left and I'd never been in that 
scenario before and then it was 

802
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:11,080
about what team to go to. 
But then me going like, like I'm

803
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,240
not going to take a step down, 
like I'm not going to go to a 

804
00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,440
team that doesn't wouldn't 
presumably give me a the same, 

805
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,320
if not a better chance of 
performing and doing well. 

806
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,320
So yeah, it was the decision 
about what I needed to do with 

807
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,640
my life moving forward. 
And if I was going to hang on a 

808
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:34,480
little longer and just sort of 
take a performance cut and a pay

809
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,560
cut and just continue to be out 
there because I didn't know what

810
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:41,000
else to do, or just take a leap 
of faith and move on. 

811
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,680
Rick was saying when bad stuff 
would happen in 2017, you would 

812
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,280
text her. 
What sorts of texts would you 

813
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,280
send? 
Oh, man, well, you know, I had, 

814
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,800
I had, you know, work drama, 
relationship drama. 

815
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,760
Like, I mean, my whole life was 
shifting. 

816
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,320
Like the biggest decisions like 
moving, leaving a relationship, 

817
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,240
like quitting might like letting
go of my job and doing something

818
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:15,520
else. 
There was just there was a lot 

819
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,040
going on. 
How did you juggle everything 

820
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,400
going on? 
Compartmentalize. 

821
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,800
I think drivers are pretty good 
at that because we go from 

822
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,400
smiling, taking photos and 
shaking hands 10 seconds before 

823
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,400
getting in the car to drive 200 
miles an hour. 

824
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,760
So, you know, just flipping that
switch of like work weekend, Oh 

825
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,600
my God, deal with life, work 
weekend, deal with life. 

826
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,240
So yeah, you just flip flop back
and forth and get by. 

827
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040
So I was surprised when I read 
this. 

828
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,400
You said sometimes you'd be 
disappointed in a race when you 

829
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,920
realized you weren't even 
halfway through the race and 

830
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,560
then an IndyCar, you would do 
these mind exercises to stop 

831
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,680
yourself from feeling miserable.
Elaborate on that. 

832
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Well, I mean NASCAR races are 
very long, especially ones like,

833
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,000
you know, the Southern 500 at 
Darlington. 

834
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,440
I mean that's like a 5 hour 
race. 

835
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,560
So it's, you know, you, you 
sometimes get a little 

836
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,720
overwhelmed at the thought of 
how much you have left to do. 

837
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,240
So, you know, there's that there
are a lot longer than IndyCar 

838
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:20,560
races. 
And I don't think any IndyCar 

839
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,560
race went long, much longer than
two hours. 

840
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,680
I mean, in the Indy 500 is 
longer, but other than that, it 

841
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,040
was pretty much two hours. 
I mean, the road courses were 

842
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,880
time kept at two hours. 
So, so, you know, the length of 

843
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,720
the races was somewhat sometimes
overwhelming in NASCAR. 

844
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,840
And then and then as far as mind
games go, gosh, I don't really 

845
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,800
remember what I did. 
I, I would think that, you know,

846
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,480
mind games for me probably had 
to do with, you know, setting, 

847
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,880
setting goals for myself, like 
don't look in the rearview 

848
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,760
mirror for three laps, you know,
take a deep breath, things like 

849
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,320
that. 
You know, just things to slow 

850
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:04,200
down and calm down and focus. 
The last time you genuinely 

851
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,920
enjoyed racing, you think would 
be 1. 

852
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,360
What an interesting question. 
Every now and again there'd be a

853
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:17,520
run in a race where it was just 
like magic and I can remember 

854
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,160
one at Richmond. 
So I feel like that was 

855
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,200
something that one of them last 
year and I feel like I've like 

856
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,640
passed half the field in one 
run. 

857
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,720
Like it just was amazing. 
I don't know if they put holes 

858
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,680
in my tires and we're like slow 
bleeding them, which is illegal,

859
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,600
or if I got a magical set of 
tires or if we just maybe hit 

860
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,320
the setup. 
That part like everything was 

861
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,200
just that perfect for their. 
I don't know, I don't know, I 

862
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:42,640
don't know. 
But every now and again there'd 

863
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,360
be just like some, there'd be a 
run where I can pass half the 

864
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,520
field and I, I don't know, 
anytime I'm passing cars was 

865
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,960
always my favorite. 
That was even if it came down to

866
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,800
the end of the race and it was 
just me and someone else, and it

867
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,440
might be for 15th place, might 
be for 9th place, it might be 

868
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,040
for 5th place, it might be for 
22nd place. 

869
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,040
It doesn't matter. 
Wherever it was, it was just 

870
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,840
like down to the sort of mano a 
mano moment at the end of the 

871
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,960
race. 
If I didn't get by that person 

872
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,200
or I didn't hold someone off, 
that was right on me. 

873
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,480
It felt like I finished last no 
matter what. 

874
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:15,160
It always felt like so 
demoralized advising and if you 

875
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,320
beat them then it felt so 
rewarding even though it wasn't 

876
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,520
for a win. 
It like was just that setting 

877
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,680
that goal at the very end of the
race. 

878
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,960
So it was about beating someone 
is about passing people. 

879
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,480
What was involved for you in 
getting to the mental space 

880
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:33,320
where you realize I don't love 
racing anymore? 

881
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,480
Actually, it happened years ago.
I remember sitting in my 

882
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,000
girlfriend's kitchen in 
Scottsdale and you know, we were

883
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,680
having a deep conversation and 
it was AI remember, like 

884
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,880
breaking down and there was 
various things going on in my 

885
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,960
life, like work relationship and
you know, whatever. 

886
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,400
And so I was feeling I was 
vulnerable and I remember just 

887
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,160
saying out loud for the first 
time ever, like I don't love 

888
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,600
racing. 
And I was like, Oh my God, what 

889
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,440
I just say. 
And I was like, I lost it even 

890
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,800
more. 
And I was like, that's true. 

891
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,560
Like I don't I love parts of it 
and that's what's kept me going.

892
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,160
But like the actual if I had 
free time, go to the track and 

893
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,960
drive around and have no like 
that doesn't interest me at all.

894
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,000
I would rather go meditate. 
I just like I just doesn't my I 

895
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
just don't it's not doesn't 
sound fun to me. 

896
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,760
Now, mind you, I'd you don't do 
something for 27 years and, you 

897
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,000
know, get to the level I was at 
without, you know, loving it. 

898
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,560
You just like there was parts of
it that I loved the most. 

899
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,520
So yeah, that was back. 
Probably feel like that was like

900
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,200
the end of maybe 14 or 
something. 

901
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,520
It was years ago and, you know, 
think nothing of it. 

902
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,800
I mean, I didn't have any 
intentions in stopping at all. 

903
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:49,160
And then, you know, years go by 
and then 17 comes and, you know,

904
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,120
primary sponsor leaves and, and 
I don't want people to think 

905
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,760
that they left because they were
bought by private equity. 

906
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,560
They stopped doing, I mean, 
they, they started the 

907
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:03,880
sponsorship in 2000, 16. 
So they did a little some 

908
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,120
advertising had big, I mean, 
they even talked about Super 

909
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:09,400
Bowl commercials and you know, 
so the first half of 2016 goes 

910
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,960
by and then they did nothing the
last half of 16 and come to find

911
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,200
out they got bought by private 
equity. 

912
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,400
And usually then at that point 
in time, they stop using 

913
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,080
spending advertising dollars. 
And you know, that's what we 

914
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,960
were as a race team was 
advertising. 

915
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:26,200
So they left and, and, and then 
at the same time, my wine 

916
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:31,000
launches, my clothing line 
launches my the book is, you 

917
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,320
know, well underway and launches
at the beginning of the next 

918
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,960
year. 
And so I was in the midst of 

919
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,240
doing a trial run with, with the
workout program for the book at 

920
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,120
that point in time. 
And so I had all these other 

921
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,400
things going on. 
And so, you know, when they at 

922
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,600
first in the beginning of 2017, 
I thought to myself, like, Oh 

923
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,920
no, I'm not ready to be done. 
Like, and it felt good to say 

924
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,280
that. 
It felt good to feel that. 

925
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:01,080
And then as time went on, I just
realized and the year wasn't any

926
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,960
good anyway. 
And it was like one more reason 

927
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,400
like what maybe probably have it
be like this again. 

928
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,120
I mean, I've tried every which 
way possible. 

929
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,680
I've done everything I possibly 
can to be successful and and run

930
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,240
and run, run well. 
And it just doesn't feel like 

931
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,760
it's for me. 
And so why do I think that, you 

932
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,400
know, it's going to change? 
On the sponsor front, I believe 

933
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,440
the thought creeped into your 
head at some point. 

934
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,920
Like, why can't people find 
money for me? 

935
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,480
Do they want me here? 
Explain that. 

936
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,160
Well, I think that, you know, I 
mean, a lot of times I had 

937
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,080
brought the sponsors because 
they liked me and they were 

938
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,880
there because of me. 
But you know, at some point in 

939
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,200
time most drivers, they get that
the team find some money. 

940
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,080
And so, you know, you know, I 
think I was easy Rd. for most 

941
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,760
teams where I brought it and it 
was full sponsorship. 

942
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,120
And so, you know, they had to be
motivated to go find me 

943
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,000
sponsors. 
And, you know, motivation 

944
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,560
varied. 
Why do you think that was? 

945
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,320
Maybe they just want something 
new again. 

946
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,320
Maybe they didn't believe in me 
and they wanted something new. 

947
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,400
Maybe they just want to take the
easy money. 

948
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,280
Is like that what you believed? 
Sometimes, yeah, sometimes I 

949
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,640
there was some people along the 
way that worked for sure. 

950
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,960
But I think in general it was, 
you know, easy money. 

951
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,000
I mean, in that and at that 
point in time, that's also what 

952
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,080
happened. 
I mean, there was a driver with 

953
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,680
a sponsor that came to the team 
and had a full sponsorship. 

954
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:30,200
So that's the easy option. 
The role GoDaddy played in your 

955
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960
career would be what? 
I mean, they just created so 

956
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,320
much awareness from for my name,
for my brand, for what I did, 

957
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,800
you know, we both used each 
other really well. 

958
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,960
I mean, I needed this sponsor 
and they were a fantastic 

959
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,600
sponsor and they needed a, you 
know, they needed to advertise 

960
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:50,400
and, and create awareness for 
their brand and, and get noticed

961
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,840
and they did a great job of 
that. 

962
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,800
So you know, all the Super Bowl 
commercials and then for GoDaddy

963
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,880
to come back at the end and 
sponsor me for the double for 

964
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:08,760
the Daytona 500 and Indy 500 in 
in 18 was just really proved how

965
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,520
well we worked together and how 
effective we were for each other

966
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:12,920
and. 
What people might not know about

967
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,520
that is you actually negotiated 
that deal yourself, I believe. 

968
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,200
So. 
What was involved with doing? 

969
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,560
It, I mean, it really was a 
simple case of like, you know, 

970
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,840
looking at how much it was going
to cost to run, run for the 500 

971
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,520
each 500 and knowing kind of 
that budget and knowing what I 

972
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,440
was prepared to do these races 
for and knowing how much it cost

973
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,960
me. 
And, you know, just going like, 

974
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,480
I think we need this. 
And so, yeah. 

975
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,520
And, and going in and also 
telling them how, talking about 

976
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,280
not telling them, but 
understanding what they needed 

977
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,640
and what I needed and who we 
were as brands at this point in 

978
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,920
time, because a couple years had
gone by since we had been 

979
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:57,520
together and realizing that we 
were more aligned than ever as 

980
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,600
brands. 
And so it was perfect. 

981
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,800
So 2018, you just finished the 
Indy 500. 

982
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:13,240
NASCAR is at rainy Pocono. 
Where are you and set the scene.

983
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:17,320
That was after the last race and
you know, here in beautiful Napa

984
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,960
for auction, Napa Valley, which 
is a gigantic charity event that

985
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,920
raises like, you know, 15 ish, 
$1,000,000 a year for Valley 

986
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Valley charities and Valley, you
know, things like the fires 

987
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,920
coming through and so supporting
the valley in general. 

988
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,520
And so, you know, coming here 
and it's like beautiful, you 

989
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,960
know, it's so beautiful out 
sunny, drinking champagne in the

990
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,280
morning. 
And I'm like, or we could be in 

991
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,160
Pocono. 
I think I'm in the right place, 

992
00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:49,400
you know, and I remember being 
very excited after the race, 

993
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,040
after after Indy to know that 
the next thing I was going to do

994
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,280
was the next weekend, like go 
out and support one of these 

995
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,680
businesses that I haven't had a 
chance to do that for. 

996
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:02,760
And, and on top of it being, you
know, like definitely not 

997
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,560
feeling like. 
Work Tell about the wine cellar 

998
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:11,640
at your Scottsdale home. 
I mean, I remember when I bought

999
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,680
that, that the house in 
Scottsdale, I needed more garage

1000
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:19,920
space and a wine cellar. 
And so there was a house in the 

1001
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,160
neighborhood. 
It was the same neighborhood I 

1002
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,760
lived in at the time too, just 
moved up the hill and and I 

1003
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,680
remember thinking, oh, I just 
want to see this house. 

1004
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:30,600
Like it looks amazing. 
And it was, you know, very big 

1005
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,360
and expensive and, you know, and
then falling in love with it and

1006
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,880
all you have, all I have to do 
is get my heart set on something

1007
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,280
and then it's happening. 
So saw the house and. 

1008
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,720
Was it for sale? 
Yeah, it was for sale and but 

1009
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:46,080
definitely not like price range.
What I was thinking at that 

1010
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,440
point in time, and it was the 
only time in my life that I ever

1011
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,040
was in deep enough financially 
was something else that I was 

1012
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:58,320
like I do need to keep working 
for another year so but other 

1013
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,720
than that. 
That thought, really. 

1014
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:04,520
Yeah, like like as in if 
something happened, this house 

1015
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,880
is expensive and I would need to
sell some some something, you 

1016
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,320
know what I mean? 
Or just make sure I get through 

1017
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,400
one more year. 
So. 

1018
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,280
So, yeah, so I bought it for the
wine cellar, but it's like a 800

1019
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:19,280
or 1000 bottle wine cellar. 
And you know, the hard thing in,

1020
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:25,080
in, in Arizona is to keep an AC 
unit and shipshape because it's 

1021
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:29,200
so effing hot out there that 
like the AC units, if they're 

1022
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,120
exposed to the sun, like they 
just wear out and they run and 

1023
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,640
run. 
So oh, the amount of times you 

1024
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,960
have to replace the AC units in 
things like a house and a wine 

1025
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,240
cellar in Arizona is high, but 
you got to keep your wine in 

1026
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:43,320
good shape. 
Those are first world problems. 

1027
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,920
Yeah, these are champagne 
problems. 

1028
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,120
Literally. 
What do you enjoy about wine? 

1029
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,840
Well, I love drinking it. 
I drank wine in England and then

1030
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,320
coming back here, I mean, I, you
know, still like wine and took a

1031
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:03,920
trip here in 2006 and was just 
down the valley and at a place 

1032
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,920
called Quintessa and was set up 
by my agent at that point in 

1033
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,880
time. 
And you know, it was beautiful 

1034
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,360
morning and rose petals leading 
out to the grassy Knoll in the 

1035
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,320
middle of the property, which I 
found out later wasn't for me. 

1036
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,480
It was a wedding the night 
before. 

1037
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,720
But anyway, rose petals on the 
way out picnic table, beautiful 

1038
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,840
view looking S the like fog is 
like like clearing out and 

1039
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,600
pulling back down into San 
Francisco into the Bay and and 

1040
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,600
just being like it's like 10 AM 
and I'm drinking white wine. 

1041
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,840
It's amazing And wow, it would 
be so cool to have something 

1042
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,600
like this someday. 
And thinking to myself that like

1043
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,320
obviously dreaming about that, 
and then also thinking that 

1044
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,200
maybe that would only remain a 
dream maybe. 

1045
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:48,960
And you really had that thought 
even then the. 

1046
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,080
First time that was literally 
like, I mean, it wasn't the very

1047
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,680
first time I've been here was 
the first time I really 

1048
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:57,080
experienced Napa. 
Well, like private tastings and 

1049
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,800
stuff like that. 
Like that's the only way to go. 

1050
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,000
Like you can go to cellar doors,
sure, but like you really want 

1051
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,000
the backstage pass, You want a 
barrel taste, you want to, you 

1052
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,480
want personal one-on-one to 
explain the vineyard, explain 

1053
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,320
the wine Spain, explain them, 
you know, varietals, how much is

1054
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,680
produced, you know, the whole, 
the whole scene. 

1055
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,600
Like just understand the comp, 
the what you're drinking. 

1056
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,920
But I like in my mind, I 
thought, Oh my God, it's like 

1057
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,760
probably $50,000,000 to have a 
winery. 

1058
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,960
And I thought, I don't have 
that. 

1059
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,000
And I definitely 100% thought 
yet because I definitely 

1060
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,960
believed I would have $50 
million someday. 

1061
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:35,280
And so I was like, yet. 
And anyway, I saw this at the 

1062
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:42,080
end of 2008 and 2009, bought it 
and started the process of, you 

1063
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:48,320
know, permitting and plans and 
erosion control meetings. 

1064
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:53,440
And you know, they even on every
new property to plant, like they

1065
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,280
have to go around and check and 
see if there's any rare 

1066
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,280
artifacts, rare plants. 
So that you, if you there is, 

1067
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,440
you can't plant there, you can't
dig it up. 

1068
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,640
So anyway, you have to go 
through all those processes. 

1069
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,600
So it takes a long time. 
So the the planting took years 

1070
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,280
from that point on. 
And so 2014 was the first year, 

1071
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,920
that was the first vintage that 
was for sale. 

1072
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,320
So, you know, bought it in 2009.
It took till 2014 before 

1073
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:21,840
something was actually ready to 
be. 

1074
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,160
The 14 was ready but sold in 17.
So there you go. 

1075
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,400
So 2009 to 2017. 
How much of an educational 

1076
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,280
process has it been for you? 
I mean, I love the whole 

1077
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,080
process, so I just slowly learn.
It's not like I went immersion 

1078
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,520
style and you know, did a course
or something like it's for me. 

1079
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:42,880
It's just coming to the valley 
going and doing wine taste 

1080
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,760
things like while I'm here, I'm 
going to plan a wine tasting at 

1081
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,240
someone else's place because 
that's what I love doing. 

1082
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,360
When I first came, I still love 
doing that now. 

1083
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,360
I also love seeing other 
properties, hearing other 

1084
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:57,320
stories and it's like, I feel 
like it's one of those 

1085
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,720
communities where it's a little 
more of an all for one kind of 

1086
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:04,720
community instead of 
competitive. 

1087
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,600
You know, it's not like they're,
I mean, yes, you kind of get 

1088
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,920
your friends that you want to 
send people to. 

1089
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,280
If you, you know, they come into
the valley and you know, taste 

1090
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,800
my wine like, Oh, go down and 
see my friend, you know, but 

1091
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,600
there are like, it's a community
and we support each other. 

1092
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,040
And I think that's kind of what 
auction Napa Valley says to like

1093
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,600
the valley supports the valley. 
And so so, you know, I love that

1094
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:31,760
sort of mindset and, and there's
plenty of, we make a lot of wine

1095
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,920
here in this valley, but there's
plenty of wine needed in the 

1096
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,560
world. 
So there's enough for all. 

1097
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,360
How did the experience building 
this vineyard compared to what 

1098
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,560
you would have expected? 
There's a lot more rock on this 

1099
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,800
property than we knew. 
Like, I don't know what the 

1100
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:47,920
number is. 
I can't remember. 

1101
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,360
I mean, it was hundreds of tons 
of of of rock. 

1102
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,840
And so it took like AD 9, like 
the biggest, like biggest 

1103
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,880
tractor out there to break all 
the rock up. 

1104
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,440
So it got redistributed. 
I mean, all the rock here is all

1105
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,600
like redistributed from the 
property, like the rock walls 

1106
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,680
where there's the water 
distribution, like the water 

1107
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,360
separators in each of the 
blocks. 

1108
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,240
I mean that's all rock from the 
property just redistributed. 

1109
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,680
So I mean, yeah, OK, so there's 
a lot of rock, but you mean like

1110
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,800
from a probably a little bit 
more of an overview standpoint? 

1111
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,640
I mean, I think it all went 
really well. 

1112
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:27,520
I don't think there was anything
that really, I don't know if 

1113
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,280
this sounds bad, but I mean, I 
ended up, you know, drinking a 

1114
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,960
glass of my wine off the 
property for the first time and 

1115
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,480
going like, I look, everything 
was done here to make sure it 

1116
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,800
was done at the highest level. 
Like, you know, my wine maker 

1117
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,840
helped pick the property like so
it's like grade A+ plus soil and

1118
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:49,600
helped, you know, pick the 
farmers and the root stock and 

1119
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,200
the clones and you know, like 
everything to make at the 

1120
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,200
highest level performing 
vineyard possible. 

1121
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,160
But when you drink that first 
glass of wine, you go, and I was

1122
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:01,440
like, Oh, thank God, it's really
good. 

1123
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:05,080
You know, you just don't know 
because sure, you always hope 

1124
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,400
it's going to be really good, 
but you don't know until you get

1125
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,720
it. 
So, you know, you're left up to 

1126
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,400
nature and you know, the process
and the people that are in place

1127
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,040
and, you know, hoping that it 
all was done at that highest 

1128
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,200
level, even though that's the 
intention and that's what you 

1129
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,560
think is happening. 
You know, there's plenty of 

1130
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,240
things in life that surprise 
you, but I was surprised in a, 

1131
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:31,040
in a, in a, in a relieved way 
that damn, this is just as good 

1132
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,160
as I hoped, if not better. 
So this kind of ties into food 

1133
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:38,080
and working out. 
But you had IVF treatment to 

1134
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,000
freeze your eggs. 
Explain how the hormone 

1135
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,400
treatment changed your body. 
And why I decided to write a 

1136
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,320
book on how to like a good 
fitness program and diet. 

1137
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:50,400
That's kind of how it goes. 
Yeah. 

1138
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,000
Well, you know, I was like, I 
remember going to the doctor 

1139
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,040
when I was like 32 and being 
like, should I freeze my eggs? 

1140
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,200
And the, you know, the doctors 
like you've got plenty of time. 

1141
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,400
And I was like, OK. 
And I go away. 

1142
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,720
I'm thinking, I don't think they
get it. 

1143
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:03,080
Like I don't have any plans 
right now. 

1144
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,520
Like there's no, it's not like 
maybe next year. 

1145
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,480
It's like, I don't know when. 
So then the next year comes 

1146
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,800
along and I'm 33. 
And so I asked about it and, you

1147
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,200
know, the the my doctor had done
it herself. 

1148
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,880
So I just said, where'd you go, 
What'd you do? 

1149
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,880
And went ahead and did it. 
And, you know, I think that if 

1150
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,880
you have the ability to create 
insurance policies for yourself,

1151
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,600
go ahead. 
So I did. 

1152
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,840
And yeah, it was quite the 
process. 

1153
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:31,480
Lots of shots. 
Given the fact that I'm afraid 

1154
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,600
of needles, that was traumatic. 
But I got over my paranoia of 

1155
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:39,040
needles by about 20%, I'd say by
doing it. 

1156
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:43,600
And, but, but through the 
process, like, I mean, you're 

1157
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,240
jacking your hormones around so 
much. 

1158
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,200
I mean, just like crazy. 
And, and so I learned what 

1159
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,360
hormones can do to the body. 
And so while I didn't have, I 

1160
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,240
mean, I think I broke down and 
started crying randomly like 

1161
01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:02,680
maybe two or three times. 
I gained like 4 or 5 lbs in two 

1162
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:06,880
weeks, which is not possible 
when you eat the way I like. 

1163
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,880
I'm sure I probably was even 
more disciplined because I 

1164
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:13,920
couldn't work out. 
And, and so yeah, I, I, I was 

1165
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,080
like, well, I'm going to have to
try something new because they 

1166
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,520
said a month will go by and 
you'll be able to cycle and then

1167
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,720
everything will bounce back out.
And that did not happen. 

1168
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,960
So I, I started doing 2 day 
workouts and then I started, I 

1169
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,280
was already gluten and dairy 
free, but then I decided to try 

1170
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:33,920
full paleo, which is eliminating
grains and beans and most 

1171
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,880
sugars. 
So anyway, so I was like, all 

1172
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,440
right, here we go. 
And I was only going to do Paleo

1173
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,720
for a week, but I started doing 
it and I haven't stopped. 

1174
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,480
That's been years. 
And then through the, through 

1175
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,200
the program, through the 
workouts and doing 2A day 

1176
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,000
workouts a couple times a week. 
I was like, Oh my God, like it, 

1177
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,880
It was so effective. 
And I was like, man. 

1178
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:57,920
How is it effective? 
Are you just like losing weight 

1179
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,920
and leaning out and getting 
stronger and feeling better? 

1180
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,400
So that's kind of what led to 
writing the book. 

1181
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,440
There was a a writer that was it
wanted to know if I was 

1182
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,000
interested in writing a health 
and fitness book. 

1183
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:15,400
And I was like, actually, I 
thought I'd sworn off all books 

1184
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,720
after the book that came out in 
2006 called Crossing the Line. 

1185
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:24,400
And it's just a crappy process. 
Like it just, it's like, I mean 

1186
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,560
it was just a totally different 
that time around. 

1187
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,880
I spent like 4 days sitting 
one-on-one with a writer and she

1188
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:33,440
wrote the book and all I did was
talk for four days and it's 

1189
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,720
fine. 
But like, you know, distribution

1190
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,200
sucked and there was no 
advertising. 

1191
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,760
I mean it's just like I did like
1 little media tour for it. 

1192
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,520
But books are tough. 
And so I was like, I'm never 

1193
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,400
going to write a book again. 
That process sucks. 

1194
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,360
And then the accountability for 
how many, how many copies are 

1195
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:51,720
sold? 
Like are you really getting the 

1196
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:52,800
number? 
Are you really getting the 

1197
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,360
information? 
You know? 

1198
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,480
So anyway, I thought I'll never 
write a book again. 

1199
01:04:57,480 --> 01:05:01,600
And then and then the 
opportunity came or the, you 

1200
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,400
know, the thought of it and I 
was like, I actually think I 

1201
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,280
have something to say. 
But if this is not a tell all, 

1202
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:08,760
this is not like a, a, this is 
not a biography about my life. 

1203
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,320
This is going to be like an 
educational health and Wellness 

1204
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,000
and fitness book with a program 
that has been more effective 

1205
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:16,880
than anything else I've ever 
done and I've worked out since I

1206
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,960
was 14 years old. 
So, so you know, 20 some years 

1207
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,280
later, I finally found like the 
most effective thing. 

1208
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,560
And what did you want to get 
across? 

1209
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,520
And so I wanted so the book got 
broken down into 3 sections. 

1210
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Mind body in the beginning, then
the workout program and why the 

1211
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,800
you know, chapters on supporting
why the program is laid out like

1212
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,200
it is. 
And then food. 

1213
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:40,440
And so the recipes as well as 
you know, information about why 

1214
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,880
to cut certain things out and 
why to add certain things in or 

1215
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:49,520
eat more of them. 
So yeah, and I worked my ass off

1216
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,120
on it for a year and a half. 
So it was a lot more work than 

1217
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,160
Oh my. 
God, I decided that I was going 

1218
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,760
to do whatever it took to be 
successful and it was 100% my 

1219
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,840
worst paying job. 
I ended up having to have the 

1220
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,920
writer come down to me because 
he was not understanding my 

1221
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:06,600
mission with the book and spend 
time with me to see how I worked

1222
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:09,600
out, see how I ate and sat down 
and actually talked about the 

1223
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,160
goals for the book. 
I wrote the workout program, 

1224
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,760
tested the whole entire workout 
program, ran a trial group for 

1225
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:20,640
three months for the workout 
program and did a forum every 

1226
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:23,880
day talking to people about what
you know about it, building a 

1227
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,880
website for it so that they 
could get the information and 

1228
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,080
get the workouts, writing all 
the content for it because the 

1229
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,480
the writer was just 
regurgitating stuff that he had 

1230
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:34,840
already written before. 
I'm like, I don't think you're 

1231
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,160
getting it. 
So I had to write the entire 

1232
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:43,080
content for the for the website 
and and then the recipes, 

1233
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,520
writing the recipes for the book
as well as photographing them 

1234
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,880
then, which I didn't have to 
photograph them, but I was going

1235
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:51,640
to have to pay for them to be 
photographed anyway. 

1236
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:53,360
So I'm like, why don't I just 
get a decent camera? 

1237
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,560
Let me just try this. 
So I did. 

1238
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,120
So I wrote and photographed all 
the food, writing all the 

1239
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,160
recipes down, which for someone 
who really cooks, you don't 

1240
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,040
measure, you just go like this. 
I don't even measure when I 

1241
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:05,360
bake. 
So that's probably why I'm not 

1242
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,920
the greatest Baker, but but so 
writing down exactly how much 

1243
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:12,360
you use and then writing 
instructions for every recipe 

1244
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,040
and there's fifty of them. 
And then when the chapters came 

1245
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:18,640
through, it was all like little 
blurbs. 

1246
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:23,880
Kind of just let that went in a 
long line on APDF or something. 

1247
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,400
And I'm like, I'm so confused, I
don't even know where to start. 

1248
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:28,920
So then I was on a flight and I 
wrote down the outline for the 

1249
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:32,840
book and then I sent that 
through and then I wrote a base 

1250
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,040
for every single chapter of what
I wanted the creative direction 

1251
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:37,840
to be. 
It went from like one paragraph 

1252
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:41,280
to like 5 long paragraphs of of 
information for each chapter and

1253
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:45,080
instructions on what what 
technical information I wanted, 

1254
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:46,880
what research and studies had 
been done. 

1255
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,920
I asked for like find a study on
this. 

1256
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,960
I want to know about that. 
So he kind of became like the 

1257
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:55,880
researcher that would go pull 
that information and have charts

1258
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,560
and graphs in there. 
And then the the workout program

1259
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,880
there was before and after 
photos testimonials. 

1260
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,440
So there was, you know, 
interviews with everybody with 

1261
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,680
like a select like dozen people 
that did really well and love 

1262
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:10,120
the program and had great 
results. 

1263
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:14,480
I mean, it was just a year and a
half of constant, so that's a 

1264
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,960
lot of work. 
Love and relationships. 

1265
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:21,240
Your sister, in an article I 
read from many years back, was 

1266
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:25,560
quoted as saying I always wanted
to be a mom where that's not 

1267
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:30,000
really something she's had. 
Meaning you How's that desire 

1268
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,880
changed over the years on your 
end? 

1269
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,279
I mean, kids have crossed my 
mind since I was in my, you 

1270
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:40,479
know, early 20s for sure. 
Like, you know, you come across 

1271
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,760
some cute kids along the way, 
like, oh, that's cool. 

1272
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,560
Or you think of the idea of it 
and you're like, you know, I was

1273
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,800
always very focused on racing 
and was never going to quit 

1274
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,840
racing for it. 
But like, surrogacy crossed my 

1275
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:56,279
mind plenty of times. 
And, you know, it just was not 

1276
01:08:56,279 --> 01:09:03,240
in the cards for so long because
of, you know, two people have to

1277
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:04,600
want to sit, want the same 
thing. 

1278
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,640
And it never was like that. 
Did her having kids, you were 

1279
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,160
like, kind? 
Of increased yeah. 

1280
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:13,720
I mean, they're so fun. 
They're just so great. 

1281
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:18,319
And so I, I love seeing her kids
and they make me inspired to, 

1282
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,920
you know, want them because 
they're fun. 

1283
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,040
They they're, they're really 
just amazing little human 

1284
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,840
beings. 
What does Danica Patrick look 

1285
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:32,359
for in a life partner? 
Well, I think you just want to 

1286
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:37,000
be with someone that 
reciprocates, right, someone 

1287
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:41,880
who's going to love at the same 
level and the same same way or 

1288
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,240
the way that you need it, right.
I mean, there's like a, you 

1289
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,399
know, great book called the five
love languages. 

1290
01:09:46,399 --> 01:09:51,800
And you know, everybody receives
feels love or receives love, you

1291
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,640
know, in a few variety of 
different ways. 

1292
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:58,480
And so, you know, if you're, you
know, love tank stays full based

1293
01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:01,120
on that. 
And you know, I think ultimately

1294
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:06,080
the most important thing is that
you want to grow together. 

1295
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:13,360
And you know, I feel like over 
time, like I've observed that if

1296
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,720
you don't, if you're not growing
together in the same way, it 

1297
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,960
doesn't work. 
You can be super compatible, not

1298
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:27,400
compatible, it doesn't matter. 
It hasn't worked out in the 

1299
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:30,400
past. 
So what matters is that you want

1300
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,920
to grow in the same way. 
You want the same things because

1301
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:36,960
that's, I think people kind of 
grow out of each other. 

1302
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,720
They grow in different 
directions, or one grows and one

1303
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:41,200
doesn't. 
And then you just end up going 

1304
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,560
not for me anymore. 
Like I can't stay here. 

1305
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:50,360
I'm, I have to keep going. 
And and so I think that's, I 

1306
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,560
think that's like a fundamental 
core necessity for a partner. 

1307
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:57,600
Why do you think it works with 
Aaron? 

1308
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,160
Well, I think we want to grow in
the same way. 

1309
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,840
I mean, it's not like we've got,
you know, 15 years of marriage 

1310
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:08,200
to tell you that it worked out, 
but I believe that we want to 

1311
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,160
grow in the same way. 
We both have the same interests.

1312
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,360
We both have the same core 
beliefs and opinions and our 

1313
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:18,640
we're open minded people. 
And while we we do have a lot of

1314
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,760
hobbies, the same, we have a few
different ones, but generally 

1315
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,640
we're like similar people. 
And but most importantly, we 

1316
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:28,160
want to, we want to grow. 
How strange, if at all, is it 

1317
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,160
for you to all of a sudden be 
with somebody who you know has 

1318
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:36,120
the same level of fame as you 
and also had an extraordinary 

1319
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:39,760
amount of financial success? 
Well, I finally found someone 

1320
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,280
who pays for things. 
There you go. 

1321
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:47,640
That's never happened, ever. 
Like, I would buy dinner. 

1322
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:48,960
Literally. 
Yeah. 

1323
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:50,360
Listen. 
Wait. 

1324
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,360
Somebody never bought dinner. 
Super uncomfortable, yeah. 

1325
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,160
Like, I mean, I would buy dinner
most of the time. 

1326
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:01,160
It was super uncomfortable in 
the beginning with Aaron like to

1327
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,160
have him paying for things 
because it was so out of the 

1328
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,320
norm for me. 
And you're sure that's just not 

1329
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,640
you setting the precedent that 
you want to buy dinner? 

1330
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:13,080
It's just a pattern. 
Like I had to break that pattern

1331
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,360
of like, I got it. 
Like, let me take care of you. 

1332
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,120
You know, like, that's how I do 
it. 

1333
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,960
But I think it's also good 
because no one's really done 

1334
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,760
that for him either. 
And so, you know, we both do 

1335
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,200
stump. 
But yes, he pays for most 

1336
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,200
things. 
You guys spend 50 hours on a 

1337
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,440
plane together traveling around 
the world, so if you aren't sick

1338
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,480
of each other yet, that's 
probably a good thing. 

1339
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:38,120
But what do you think each of 
you like about one another? 

1340
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,840
Well, I can't answer what he 
likes about me, but I can tell 

1341
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,320
you what. 
Your perspective. 

1342
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,080
Yeah, I think it's that we're, I
really think it's that we both 

1343
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:52,160
are interested and interested in
similar things. 

1344
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:57,280
And that stems from being open 
minded people, you know? 

1345
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,760
Yeah. 
Like it all really started with 

1346
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,440
me asking if he was stalking me 
on the astral plane and then it 

1347
01:13:02,440 --> 01:13:04,760
went from there. 
So yeah, exactly. 

1348
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,600
Because the people don't know 
what that means, but he knew 

1349
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:08,080
what that meant. 
And then it just went from there

1350
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,800
and we're like, Oh my God, you 
wait, you know, but that what 

1351
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,480
you like this. 
Oh my God, Like we're like, we 

1352
01:13:13,480 --> 01:13:17,760
had been friends for six years, 
5-6 years and like just friends 

1353
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,160
as in, like, hey, how's it 
going? 

1354
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,480
Or like, oh, Congrats on the 
game or good race or you know, 

1355
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,640
sometimes I didn't hear from for
a whole year and then I'd hear 

1356
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:27,920
from a couple times the next 
year. 

1357
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,680
I mean, it was very sporadic, 
but definitely friend based. 

1358
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,000
And so, you know, it's just one 
of those things where we both 

1359
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:39,120
went what we're interested in, 
in unique things that not a lot 

1360
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,120
of people are. 
And we're also very open minded 

1361
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,640
people. 
So, you know, we love to learn 

1362
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,760
and educate ourselves. 
And so, you know, when he buys 

1363
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,160
me books called like the 
holographic universe, I'm like, 

1364
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:51,840
this is awesome. 
You know him. 

1365
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,840
I mean, and I don't, I think 
people generally know this about

1366
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:58,080
him, but maybe not at the level 
like I love that he's smart. 

1367
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,440
I mean, he is a super and super 
intelligent person and I love to

1368
01:14:02,440 --> 01:14:04,000
learn. 
The older I get, the more I want

1369
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,280
to learn. 
The youth is wasted on the young

1370
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,360
when it comes to school. 
Like I, I love learning now. 

1371
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,600
I mean, I, I find myself not 
even wanting to watch on 

1372
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:17,240
educational TV. 
Like I'm watching super soul 

1373
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:21,200
Sunday, I'm watching ancient 
aliens, I'm watching, you know, 

1374
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,200
documentaries. 
I'm like, I want to learn. 

1375
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,640
I don't want to just be, I don't
want to dumb down for well, like

1376
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,440
at any point when I do it take 
dogs for the dogs for walks. 

1377
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:34,160
I'll listen to YouTube videos, 
you know, I'll listen to 

1378
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:40,200
everything from like, you know, 
conspiracy theories to Wayne 

1379
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:44,160
Dyer and the 10 principles for 
life or, you know, something 

1380
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:45,560
like that. 
I'll listen to like 

1381
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,360
inspirational things. 
So for me, I'm like always 

1382
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:50,520
wanting to learn. 
So I love that he's smart. 

1383
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,040
It's also a double edged sword 
because he's really smart and 

1384
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,120
I'm feeling, I mean, I need to 
stop saying I'm not smart. 

1385
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:00,160
My GED makes me feel like I have
to tell people I'm not smart but

1386
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:05,840
but I I I love to grow and so 
and learn more and he can help 

1387
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,800
me do that. 
All right, two quick unrelated 

1388
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,040
stories that they found kind of 
funny that they want you to tell

1389
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:16,800
as we wrap up. 
First one being the Bora Bora 

1390
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:22,080
trip with your sister where you 
each realized when you got there

1391
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,280
that this place was way more 
expensive. 

1392
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,040
Than you thought, I thought I 
wasn't going to have enough 

1393
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,960
credit cards to pay for the trip
because I think at that point in

1394
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,760
time I had credit cards that had
maybe like $1000 limit, a $2000 

1395
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,240
limit, a $2500 limit. 
And like this place was $1000 a 

1396
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,200
night to stay there. 
And then we went to what seemed 

1397
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,480
like we were getting invited to 
like a luau kind of thing. 

1398
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,320
That was a buffet and we had 
water and it was like a almost 

1399
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:48,480
$200. 
And I was like, we're not 

1400
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:51,240
getting out of here. 
So what we started doing and not

1401
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:53,600
on top of it, we called a Boris 
Snore because there was no one 

1402
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:54,760
there. 
And it was so boring. 

1403
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,400
Like there was. 
It was like, it was like a 

1404
01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,000
lover's retreat, not a sister 
retreat. 

1405
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,520
But I I was dead set on going to
Bora Bora. 

1406
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,920
This is when you first got into 
racing and first started making.

1407
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,240
A little bit of money, like I, I
mean, honestly, I thought I had 

1408
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:10,320
a boyfriend then and I was like,
I'll take him to Bora Bora. 

1409
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,240
And then we broke up and I was 
like, I'm still going. 

1410
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,080
So I took my sister. 
So Brooke and I went to Bora 

1411
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,800
Bora and Bora Sonora and I 
didn't think I was going to have

1412
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,080
enough money to leave. 
I thought I was going to have to

1413
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:23,000
work in the kitchen, but So what
we would do is we would eat 

1414
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:30,080
breakfast like at the very last 
minute, and then we would steal 

1415
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,920
jams, jellies and mustards and 
bread rolls to take back to the 

1416
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,840
room. 
And we would like try and skip 

1417
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:41,240
lunch so that we didn't have to 
spend $200 on lunch. 

1418
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,240
And then mom packed to what we 
called Sabotage in our bag, 

1419
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:48,600
which was a gigantic bag of 
trail mix. 

1420
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,120
And we were like, Oh no, we're 
not going to eat that. 

1421
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,960
We're on the GSP they get skinny
plan. 

1422
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,720
We're not eating that trail mix.
But we were starving to death 

1423
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,000
because we were trying to skip 
lunch. 

1424
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,360
So we ate that. 
We ate that bag of trail mix 

1425
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:04,880
within like 3 days. 
And anyway, turns out I had 

1426
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,920
enough credit cards and we left,
but but it was a great trip. 

1427
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,320
We have great memories. 
And that's the thing about when 

1428
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,480
things don't always go well or 
go right or expected is that, 

1429
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:20,560
you know, as as my more best 
friend than anything, Haley, who

1430
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,040
works for me or like I like to 
say with me making memories, she

1431
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,800
taught me that line, so. 
Thank you very much. 

1432
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,080
We'll end on that now. 
Thanks for listening to my 

1433
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,240
interview with racing icon 
Danica Patrick. 

1434
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,600
To see video clips of her chat 
in a tour of Patrick's beautiful

1435
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:41,000
Vineyard, head to 
youtube.com/graham Bensinger. 

1436
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:43,760
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1437
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,520
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1438
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,000
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