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Down powerlifting. 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,360 Yeah. So I think like getting a good 45 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,320 background and everyone, obviously you had a tennis 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,200 background and then kind of went into bodybuilding and joined 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,720 powerlifting, quote UN quote late, but you've been able to do 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,200 some great things. So tell us about what kind of 49 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,680 got you from going into that bodybuilding sphere into the 50 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,440 powerlifting world. I did bodybuilding for about 10 51 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,680 years. I really got into it as an 52 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,280 effort to get my husband back into jail. 53 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:33,400 He'd been a powerlifter when we met and I did it for 10 years. 54 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,760 I was mediocre at best. I look at my pictures I'm like I 55 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,280 just look emaciated with muscle bumps. 56 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,000 This is ridiculous. I was in prep for masters 57 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,240 nationals and nothing was going on. 58 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,080 Couldn't lose an ounce doing hours of cardio. 59 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:55,040 Daniel happened to come in and I was already kind of powerlifting 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:03:00,160 on the weekends to make or doing 3 main lifts instead of 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,640 bodybuilding like I should have done. 62 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,240 And he came in, he was coaching the client, he was getting ready 63 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,040 for Worlds and Jacksonville. I watched it and it was just 64 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:13,600 like we went to dinner with a bunch on my birthday, my 53rd 65 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,600 birthday, and I asked him, would you want to coach an old woman? 66 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,440 Yeah, and I switched that night. Yeah, I think that's awesome. 67 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,000 I think before we kind of dive into your powerlifting career, 68 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,880 we can talk about the gym Perfect Storm and kind of how 69 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,120 you kind of accidentally created that. 70 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:35,240 We had a gym that we were going to. 71 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,680 We liked it, but it was in a building that was just run down. 72 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Didn't know a whole lot of the inner workings of it. 73 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,640 They asked members initially, you know, if you'll buy this 74 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,320 much stock in it and we'll give you lifetime membership. 75 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,520 And then the next thing I know, I'm on a business trip. 76 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,520 My husband's like they're asking us if we want to be a partner 77 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,680 somehow. On this business trip, I ordered 78 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,880 a ton of equipment. We were going to move the the 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,680 gym was going to move. The building wasn't really 80 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,920 realistic be open. Then we got back, I got the 81 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,960 financials. I looked at it and I was like, 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,720 no. And we actually diverted the 83 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,640 truck from road to a friend's warehouse and then started 84 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,760 looking for a place to really open something that we would 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,360 like. Even to me then I had in my mind 86 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:33,080 a powerlifting gym would be less expensive than a bodybuilding 87 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,800 gym. We started with more of the 88 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,280 bodybuilding stuff and less of the powerlifting stuff, and by 89 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,320 about 8 months in we expanded the powerlifting. 90 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Yeah, that's great. And I think that gym is it's an 91 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,320 awesome gym. I got the chance to go down 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 there for the the meet. Was it last year? 93 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,960 I don't even know time spent, but it was. 94 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,960 It's a really nice gym. And obviously you've been able 95 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,720 to get some of the the greatest lifters in the sports, including 96 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:02,720 you obviously Dan Bell and Danny Tanhiro, 2 of the very dominant 97 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,600 guys in the separate sides of pile lifting. 98 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,480 So maybe tell us about kind of how you got introduced to them 99 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:10,720 and how they found their way to your gym. 100 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,360 Daniel, like I said, he was looking for a place. 101 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,720 His client lived in Palm Coast, which is closer to Jacksonville, 102 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,640 north of us. He was living in Orlando at the 103 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,680 time and they were looking for somewhere in between. 104 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:29,400 They had a mana left that they could train on and we just 105 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:33,480 happened to be what they found and wandered into the gym one 106 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:39,040 day. Dan actually was dating his now 107 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:43,520 wife Kristen. And was he one day he messaged 108 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,520 me and he was like, I just want to check that drop insurance and 109 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,440 and something in the name. I didn't really follow raw all 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:52,720 that much. Something in the name was just 111 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,760 like, why do I know his name? He wasn't Dan Bell yet. 112 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,400 And this was pre the world records and stuff. 113 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,720 And I just mentioned to Daniel, it's like I heard this guy 114 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,560 message me and he's like, yeah, that's Dan Bell. 115 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,040 He already know it, so for a while it was just, you know, 116 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,480 weekends when he was down with Kristen and then when he married 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,360 each one. Yeah. 118 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,560 And so kind of going forward a bit into what kind of got you 119 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,520 one of the platform, obviously you and Danny have a very close 120 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,880 relationship. I've seen tons of things back 121 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,200 and forth between you guys and obviously have kind of developed 122 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,440 a great relationship with each other. 123 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,800 But maybe tell us about that first time of kind of having him 124 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,280 be your coach and getting ready for a meet. 125 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:43,640 We started in June of 2017 and I had my head. 126 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,760 I couldn't squat. I just I was the bodybuilder. 127 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,960 We didn't squat to death. I was like, oh, never be able to 128 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,080 do that. I actually benched very well for 129 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,040 bodybuilder, which is ironic because I can't bench worth 130 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:01,040 anything and deadlift. I've been chasing a 315 deadlift 131 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,800 flat and it just I would do it on the weekends. 132 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,040 I'd get like right to three O 5 and 3:15 Just no. 133 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,320 So we were maybe less than a month in and he asked if I 134 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,960 wanted to think about a meet really. 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,440 And we had two guys in the gym. They're about 10 years younger 136 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,640 than me, but they're on the older side of our our gym 137 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,720 population. They were going to do a meet in 138 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Orlando that year. That was the local meet to 139 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,520 qualify for nationals. It was APF which was going to be 140 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,360 in Florida and then Worlds was also in Florida that year. 141 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,080 So they were like we don't have to leave the state and we hit 142 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:42,840 all three. Do it with us. 143 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:49,160 So I did the first local knee and was going to do nationals. 144 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,920 What none of us realized was that APF classifieds putting 145 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,800 anything on your knees equipped and equipped nationals that year 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,240 was in Chicago. So Chris and Doug decided they 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,160 would just go naked knee and do the local nationals. 148 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,720 And I was like, I'm not going to kidney. 149 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,680 So we went to nationals up there and then worlds, which is where 150 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,960 two weeks I had from worlds an old neck injury popped up and 151 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,680 couldn't feel my arm, couldn't bench. 152 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:25,600 Ended up benching the bar which but I did me and then I had stem 153 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,840 cell maybe a month later. Yeah. 154 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,800 I mean, I guess we can talk about that a little bit. 155 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Some cell research is something that is very new in the world of 156 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,080 just health in general and very kind of groundbreaking, so tell 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,679 us about what your experience with that has been. 158 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,120 At Worlds, I met Tom and Lisa Fahey, and Tom had apparently 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,320 had a very similar neck injury and then treated by a guy up 160 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:57,280 there in Minnesota, Doctor Hansen, and he just, you know, 161 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,840 sold it. You basically you got the guy 162 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,200 for a week. It was not inexpensive and he 163 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,800 did a chiropractic care with the chiropractor up there, a math 164 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,440 therapist. He did the bone cell marrow 165 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:19,920 drawers from your hip and he did fat, fat from your glute cells. 166 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,320 Like mislection. Thank you. 167 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,080 And that's what they use in the neck because the bone is too 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,800 cranny apparently actually doing a neck. 169 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,760 So he treated that, he did PRP, he did some other stuff. 170 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,760 He basically said we'll scan your entire body and anywhere 171 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,760 you need it, we will treat. So they treated my neck, they 172 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,000 treated a shoulder, they treated low back, which was an old 173 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,080 entry. And actually I think it 174 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,320 aggravated low back being treated. 175 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,840 I think we should have left it one because it was what gave me 176 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,520 the most trouble in the back end of it. 177 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Yeah. So I mean, as far as that kind 178 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,920 of goes from from that, is that something that needs to be 179 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,920 redone every few years or is that something that kind of has 180 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,160 lasted you? No, I had it done the one time. 181 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,400 Haven't had. I've had incidences but they've 182 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,080 been more of the tweak type of things. 183 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,480 Nothing that really kept me down. 184 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,680 And no, it's one of those if I tried to rehab it on my own and 185 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,960 given it a good 6-7 months, maybe it would have gotten to 186 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:28,480 the same place, maybe it wouldn't. 187 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,320 It's one of those you just don't know. 188 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,760 But it was worth the chance for me knowing someone else that 189 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,880 used it successfully. Yeah, absolutely. 190 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,000 And I think kind of going off the the topic of kind of coming 191 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:41,360 through setbacks and adversaries. 192 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,000 I know you had a little stint of kind of bombing out a few times 193 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,200 in a row and even someone my age would that would do that would 194 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,120 maybe question their ability, but it kind of gets amplified as 195 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,520 you kind of get older. So what were some of the things 196 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,600 that either someone else said to you or you kind of thought that 197 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,800 we're like, all right, I'm going to keep going? 198 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,120 Going into it. So I did my first meet the end 199 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:12,680 of 2019 and benched raw squat in suits, pull in suit and it was a 200 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:16,080 decent meet. Not great but it was decent and 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,320 I'd only been back from the neck injury five months and I got 202 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,680 into gear post the neck injury. The first three were all raw 203 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,760 mates. So we got ready to, we were 204 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,160 going to do actually I think maybe it was the program 205 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:34,160 something we were going to do like April time frame of course 206 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:38,800 2020 and it was just meat delay after meat delay after meat 207 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,080 delay. And I didn't end up competing 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:47,600 until WPO that year was in Chicago and they tried it in the 209 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920 world. So I did Worlds that year and 210 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:57,480 actually got a very good total that was 12 O 6 at that one and 211 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,240 kind of set my own expectations too high. 212 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,120 I was like oh you know this is going to be easy. 213 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,360 I did the program, went three for 9 but didn't bomb. 214 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,280 I was sick as a dog for that program and then I got a WPO 215 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:22,040 invite and I'm blind and clumsy. Turned my ankle in the warm up 216 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,840 brand and I couldn't squat. Saved my life. 217 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,000 I tried three times and bombed and I was like all right you 218 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,880 know there was a reason for this one. 219 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,720 No big deal. Turned around, did Midwest 220 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,120 equipped. It was probably my best training 221 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,920 cycle ever. Squats didn't go as great but I 222 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,120 got I think 2:00 and then bombed on bench. 223 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:55,680 The next one was pro AM and I remember I got through squats 224 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,160 and I was benching and it was the third bench and I just 225 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:03,040 remember this voice like coaching me through the lift and 226 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 I'm like, that doesn't sound like Daniel's voice. 227 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,280 Well it was half trying to coach me through the lift as they had 228 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,240 a judge. Anyway, didn't work so we bombed 229 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,800 there. I regrouped, I said I'm going to 230 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,000 do a single party, I'm just going to do something. 231 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,800 I have no expectations. Then we had a local meet down 232 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,640 here. Jordan Wall put it on. 233 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:29,280 He did a master's only meet and he was paying a $25 for any 234 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:36,880 state RPS record, 50 for any national and 500 for any RPS 235 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,600 world record, even if there were no records in your age category 236 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,920 in class. So there really were no records. 237 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,160 There were some nationals and stuff but they were easily 238 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,560 obtained. Same with the world. 239 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:58,600 The world was actually not RPS specific and it was by each lift 240 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,000 so you got paid on each lift. So I made like $1800 this week. 241 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,600 That's awesome. But so I looking at your open 242 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,960 power thing, I've seen you've only done one single pie meter. 243 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,080 Is that something that was like a one and done for you or is 244 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,760 that something that you think you might be able to touch 245 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,320 again? I did one Saturday, I did the I4 246 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,560 summer siege this past Saturday and or landed in Singapore. 247 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:27,360 My goal, I said at the beginning of the year was top 10 raw over 248 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,320 60. And that was going to be the 249 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,000 toughest one I got #10 at the program. 250 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,760 And so I did the single fly this weekend and it'll be #8 when it 251 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,560 first and then I'm already #2 multi love a shot at Debbie's 252 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,800 number one. Yeah. 253 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,480 And kind of going off that, I'm assuming that's why you kind of 254 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,880 went back to do the raw meet or do raw at the Pro Am this year 255 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:57,320 with that goal in mind, right? Yes, yeah, it was also nice. 256 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,440 I've been on the pro day each of the years because the second 257 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:07,120 meet got me a pro total. I actually think that hurt me in 258 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,240 some ways. I would probably have been 259 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,000 better off being able to do an amateur day one. 260 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Amateur day is just more laid back. 261 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:18,720 It's it's a different feel. It's a great meet those days, 262 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,880 but one of them carries more pressure and the other one is 263 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:23,640 just more fun. Yeah. 264 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,720 Or at least I've let it carry more pressure than it should 265 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,880 probably. Yeah. 266 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,240 And I think that's something that will be interesting for 267 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:33,760 with me having my first pro meet coming up to be able to see how 268 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,040 like the the pressure rather it affects me, it helps me whether 269 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,640 I even notice it. So I think that's something that 270 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,480 is just another variable that we have to deal with. 271 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,680 Yeah, it's comes down to expectations. 272 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,880 You know, I've just set my expectations way high, probably 273 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,800 unrealistic, although when I look at the numbers, they really 274 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,120 shouldn't have been, but they tend to. 275 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,840 They trended that way for those three since then. 276 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,280 We going to meet where I got the 12 or 6, can't remember which 277 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:13,000 one, but at the 148 versus 165 class and then topped it at Hell 278 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:14,880 Bent this year by 6 lbs. Yeah. 279 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,280 And then as far as Hell Bent, I know obviously Holy Wars is kind 280 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,040 of carrying up to be another great meet this year or next 281 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,800 year technically. But I know that's one of the 282 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,840 meats that you want to maybe take another shot at Debbie's 283 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,520 record. So what are what are some of the 284 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,200 things that you think it's going to take to get you to that 285 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,840 point? So I came within 22 lbs of it 286 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,960 this year, but it's the first time I ever had full 287 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,840 conventional enemy. I had an abductor injury and 288 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,360 early in the prep I knew it just it, it was going to take a hit 289 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,120 on squat if I kept trying to do so. 290 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,840 So we switched to conventional. I was going to pull raw Daniels. 291 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,880 Like see, it just doesn't give you much. 292 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,920 One day I put it on, I was like, well, it gives me a knock. 293 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,360 It didn't, you know, and I put 22 lbs on what I got for the 294 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,480 deadlift. It would have been easy. 295 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,760 Same with a healthy adapter. I almost actually went out and 296 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,720 tried to pull the third. I was like I can't get it 297 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,880 conventional. I put in the number I need it 298 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:19,839 and I was like that's not there to stay almost sit up consumer 299 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:20,800 and I was like that would be dumb. 300 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,520 Now I kind of wish I had at least tried it. 301 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,079 Yeah. And it's kind of like one of 302 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,280 those things where it's like, I know I might get hard on this, 303 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:32,400 but I might also pull it so. And I'd actually, someone had 304 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,360 done it in a meet very recently that I'd watched and they pulled 305 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,320 to conventional and then tried to switch to SIM that and it did 306 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,360 not work. And that was also in the head of 307 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,440 no I just watched this and I said it was dumb when I watched 308 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,120 it. Yeah. 309 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,200 And I guess we can kind of dive into a little bit about the the 310 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,560 longevity. Obviously you started at 53 and 311 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,120 you're very passionate about women in the sport as a whole, 312 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,720 but obviously having more emphasis on older women joining 313 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,360 the sport. And so maybe tell us about, 314 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,800 obviously we kind of went over what got you into it, but maybe 315 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,080 tell us about some of the things that it's helped you with and 316 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,360 maybe daily life or just kind of the community, just an overall. 317 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,400 To me, it's the community. I'm more of an introvert. 318 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,560 Tennis is the, you know, singular sport. 319 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:24,720 I really thought powerlifting sort of was too, and then 320 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,840 discovered that it's specially equipped, but even raw in our 321 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,600 environment wasn't. It's closed off the Sumrall. 322 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,760 You say it's not like Powerlifting USA. 323 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:40,640 That seems very straight cut, but that was nice for me. 324 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:46,240 They kind of became my family. And I remember the first time 325 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,840 probably Daniel or Dan called me Jim Mom and I was just like, no. 326 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,200 And I'm like now I'm like, yes, I'm Jim Mom. 327 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:59,360 Yeah, and and like obviously that community is like you said, 328 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,560 very one of the best things about pile lifting. 329 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,960 I think anyone would agree with that, especially the equipped 330 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,720 community because you have to rely on others and all that. 331 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,000 And I know you guys not a perfect storm, just like a bunch 332 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,840 of other big name gyms kind of in our world have our Sunday 333 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,520 squats. That's kind of like our our holy 334 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,520 day, our favorite day with the most the day that most people 335 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,640 show up in terms of reliabilities. 336 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,000 Maybe sometimes people won't show up on a Friday or whatever 337 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:28,000 like that, but tell us about some of your not some of the 338 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,760 experiences, but just how you guys operate on Sundays and what 339 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,240 makes it your favorite day. Sundays it's lower body force so 340 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,440 it could be dead left or it could be spot just depending on 341 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,400 where you are in your cycle and how you train because we don't 342 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,440 train as a group like Helmet does. 343 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,520 Daniel coaches a lot of us and we all tend to have similar 344 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,160 stuff. But you know, one of us might be 345 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,920 in prep and another not. I actually programmed myself now 346 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,880 with this overview. And but we're all there. 347 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840 We'll even have a few that come in and bench because it's the 348 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,560 one day they can bench and know there's a definite, you know, 349 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:15,760 good crews fires there. But we come in around noon and 350 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,440 most of us, I'm there to six when we close, but most are 351 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,000 there until 4. You know we'll order in. 352 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,000 Jeremiah's ice cream and stuff afterwards and you know, it's 353 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,520 just, it's a fun day. Yeah. 354 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 And I think the the Sundays are the the best days. 355 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,960 And obviously that's kind of, I feel like just in general the in 356 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,200 the multiply world, single ply world doesn't really matter. 357 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,000 The the squats are kind of the separator left in that world. 358 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,080 Like, obviously you have some people that are better at bench 359 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,160 and whatever, but I feel like that environment and that 360 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:52,000 training day is what kind of allows people to push to these 361 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,680 crazy numbers. And we've had our equipped 362 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,760 numbers of lifters go up and down, and we're actually seeing 363 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,360 a little bit of an uptick right now, which is nice. 364 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,240 Unfortunately, Joe Jordan's retired, but he's there every 365 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Sunday pulling the lever for us and he can now load 40 fives. 366 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,640 We're actually doing a pulling for Hope this weekend to benefit 367 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:25,800 her kids, and Joe's going to pull with straps, which was I'm 368 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,320 actually going to pull a week out from a meet, three days per 369 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,920 surgery. Probably not the brightest 370 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,720 thing, but. Yeah. 371 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,560 And I think Joe is a great example of like, yeah, even you 372 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,240 may not. You may be on AD load, you may 373 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,760 be injured, you may not be in prep or whatever, but you're 374 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,000 still showing up for your team. And that's something that I 375 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,200 think a lot of people often overlooked, that it's very 376 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,080 similar to a sports team. You still got to show up for 377 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,760 your team. Yeah, Dan's the same way. 378 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:54,400 I mean, right now he was prepping for our meet, I think 379 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,000 it was maybe the second or third deadlift day, and he tweaked his 380 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,040 back up again. But he's. 381 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,440 And so he has not been training a lot, but he comes in on 382 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,760 Sundays. Yeah. 383 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,280 And there's nothing quite like having Joe Jordan and Dan Bell 384 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,360 yell for you when you're squatting or deadlifting or 385 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,840 whatever you're doing that day. Yeah, it's just a great 386 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,160 environment. And and Speaking of Dan Bell, I 387 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,480 know you mentioned in your in your questionnaire about you and 388 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,000 him kind of got into gear at the same time. 389 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,880 I know he had a a little attempt at that. 390 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,800 And you mentioned how he might be the only person that hates 391 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,520 the bench shirt more than you. So kind of tell us about some of 392 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,720 the experiences with that and kind of how that went. 393 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,880 Hey, the 2020 we did the meet and it was the first meet really 394 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:48,040 back and he wanted it's like make it a draw. 395 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,040 And he knew Dan Bell being in gear would be a draw. 396 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,200 I don't feel like he was ever like fully wanting to be in 397 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,440 gear, but you know, he was willing to do that for me, for 398 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,520 the gym and for our community. And he ended up he squatted and 399 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040 breathe finally. But the shirt he had a shirt 400 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,480 that, if you can imagine it was a large shirt on Dan Bell, a 401 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:17,840 single pack of tile. And he would be benching next to 402 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,200 me. And I think I had, I don't know 403 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,960 what I was mentioning and maybe another kill or it was an old 404 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,480 metal sharp, I'm not sure which one. 405 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,200 Both of us hated it. And both of us were, you know, 406 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,840 he was like, I don't want to hold that much weight over my 407 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,400 face. And I'm like, neither do I and 408 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:42,120 men want near as much weight. But somehow his being willing to 409 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,880 like, show that side of himself was encouraging to me. 410 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,680 I was like, alright, it's everyone that gears, you know, a 411 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,160 little bit different. It's, I don't even see it as 412 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,280 scary right now 'cause I actually feel safer in it. 413 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,960 But at first, you know, there's a little bit of it because it's 414 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:03,640 just so much more weight than these. 415 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Yeah, and if that isn't a perfect example of the the whole 416 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,240 stupid debate that some raw people say like, oh, the gear 417 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,000 does all the work. Like you take literally one of 418 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,440 the best piloters of all time and put him in some of the gear 419 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,920 and he fucking hates his life. Like, it's it's it's a prime 420 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,240 example that like it takes a lot of skill and a lot of time to 421 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:22,960 learn it. Like there's people who've been 422 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,400 probably multiply for 10 years that are not getting a lot out 423 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,200 of a shirt or getting nothing out of their deadlift suit. 424 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,640 And it's kind of a a good example of like what it does. 425 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,000 Yeah, he, he was amazing in what I would love to see and if he 426 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,640 would have committed, but you know it, it's not his passion. 427 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,600 Yeah. And I think that's. 428 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,640 But he respects it and that does tend to be different from a lot 429 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,920 of top raw lifters I. Think yeah. 430 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,840 And I think that's the key. I think I've said it a couple 431 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,600 times before, like if you look at obviously Dan Bell, for 432 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,560 example, and other top 10% of like best raw lifters of all 433 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,520 time, you could, you could look at their Jim crew or you look at 434 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,280 their past. They've either been in a pair of 435 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,600 briefs, they've trained with someone who's been a multiply 436 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,760 and you can learn a lot from each other. 437 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,200 Yeah. And so as far as your training 438 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,200 goes, obviously I know you have holy wars in February, but you 439 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,440 have the the WPL coming up then September NNN. 440 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,120 So maybe tell us your kind of game plan for that and what the 441 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,240 prep's going to look like. I'm coming off the single 442 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,000 plumbing. I've actually I had eye surgery 443 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,840 earlier this week and I've got two more scheduled in July. 444 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,880 So anyone that I've seen at a new new folk that I would stand 445 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,880 off is no, I just can't see you. Hopefully come November I'll be 446 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:52,840 able to see people and after that I'm probably going to have 447 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:59,360 a 10 to 12 week Rep window and I'll just gradually build on it. 448 00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:05,360 I probably won't do as much raw as Daniel would like me to do, 449 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,920 but that's one of those kind of trade-offs of being older. 450 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:18,800 I do feel like at least 4 squats, a pair of briefs makes a 451 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:24,320 big difference in how I feel. And he kind of would maybe not 452 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,880 agree with me on that and say you know you haven't done a raw 453 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,600 meet in so long. Well I prepped for pro AM, I 454 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,640 never had my body felt. I will admit he is totally right 455 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:40,280 that equipped taxes my CNS a lot more so it's a trade off. 456 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,160 They both impact me, just in a different way. 457 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,680 I do need to learn how to better deal with the CNS. 458 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:49,600 Yeah. And as far as kind of the single 459 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,040 ply coming out of that, do you, is there some things that you 460 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,160 learn from single ply that you think will help you in the 461 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,520 multiply? I think probably I'll learn more 462 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,800 from the raw than I learned from the single claw. 463 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,200 I kind of had my head down and used to when he started, he 464 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,400 would do a raw meat, single ply meat, multiply meat and he would 465 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,360 cycle it. And I liked the idea of it was 466 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,440 kind of gradually building. So I was going to handle less 467 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,200 weights raw, obviously add a little bit to it single fly and 468 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,400 then a fair amount more to multi. 469 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:29,520 The raw was felt light enough at this point that like I was more 470 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,120 comfortable letting weights settle, you know, before I 471 00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:36,560 started that I didn't necessarily do before. 472 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,600 Carried over some to single fly, maybe not as much as I would 473 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,160 have hoped. So that's going to be one of my 474 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,720 kind of focuses is getting a good pick. 475 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,080 But beyond that, making sure I'm in a good position before I 476 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,760 start descending because I have a bad habit of starting out of 477 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,440 position and then having to either force the depth or, you 478 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,760 know, being 2 inches high. Yeah. 479 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,600 And I think maybe it's very similar overall, but or in terms 480 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,600 of opinion or maybe it's kind of polarizing, I'm not quite sure. 481 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,040 But would you say single pies closer to multiply or closer to 482 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:21,920 raw? Probably closer to raw now when 483 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,560 I get back in the multiply, maybe you know I'll say 484 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,280 differently. It does doesn't add near as much 485 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,120 as my multiply and there's still a lot of the aspects of the body 486 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,680 is taking up the the gears, you know, to help you. 487 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,840 It's pretty tight. My squats it it actually ended 488 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,120 up on me day being a little bit looser than it had been 489 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:56,280 training, but it it didn't give me as much of A game as the 490 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,560 multi Well and the groove is similar, particularly from my 491 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,680 squad. I ended up learning how to get 492 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,640 back narrower for my raw meat, but the single ply isn't as wide 493 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,000 as my multiply. Yeah. 494 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160 And from some of the people I've talked to with single ply, they 495 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,560 basically say it hurts more than multiply, but feels like less 496 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,160 support. And I was like, well, I'm never 497 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,960 doing it then. Yeah, I I told Daniel if I'd 498 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,320 started in single ply I would not have stayed a court. 499 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,360 Yeah. And I think it's something that 500 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,280 maybe some people have shared this, but when I first was 501 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,160 thinking about getting equipped, I was like, maybe I'll start 502 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,040 with single ply and kind of ease my way into it. 503 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,360 And just from people's stories and just kind of watching it, 504 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,120 it's, I'm kind of glad I went right into Multiply. 505 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:47,160 Yeah, it's, it's a good step, I guess if you want to be in like 506 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760 the USAPLSUSPAS, if you want to do the Olympia, that type of 507 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,640 thing. But if that's not your goal, the 508 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,920 multiply and just the fact of having briefs so you can do some 509 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:03,360 training that's not full gear. You know, when I was in the 510 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520 single ply, it's either all on or it's or it's not. 511 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560 So I like that kind of. I like squatting on a brief. 512 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,160 I've already told Daniel I was like for WPOI want to 513 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,800 concentrate on my bed left and try and get a £500 dead left. 514 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,560 The other team meets less. I'm just going to look for 515 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,760 something that's safe, you know, whatever that number is. 516 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,120 Even if the squad is in briefs, there's times I don't know if I 517 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,800 don't squat just as well and as much in briefs as full gear. 518 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320 Yeah. And I think I was kind of losing 519 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,840 my train of thought as far as the the single ply goes. 520 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:45,080 I think like you were saying before with the, the tightness 521 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,200 of the suit and things like that, it's a much different 522 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400 animal because obviously you don't have the, the straps like 523 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,960 to adjust them and there's way less adjustment and you have to 524 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760 have it way tighter. So I think it's, it's pretty 525 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,720 interesting. You're right with if you want to 526 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,920 go like the USAPL route and that the IPF route with that, it's 527 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,640 kind of your only option if you want to do equipped. 528 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,200 So I. Did see USPA as adding some 529 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,960 multiply? Really. 530 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:15,520 Yeah, they actually had an equipped meet in Utah and it's 531 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,280 their only division. They allow a monolith in, but 532 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080 I'm thinking none of these directors have monoliths so I 533 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,760 can't imagine it's going to grow much. 534 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,200 Yeah, it almost kind of brings in the question of like if 535 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,920 you're going to add that division, it seems like it 536 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,000 almost be unfair to pull out a separate squat rack just for an 537 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,400 equip like a multiply person. I think that brings up a whole a 538 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,720 slew of issues with that. Yeah, I don't think their 539 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:46,360 wording is the other. Yeah, RAW single would just have 540 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:50,800 to walk out of the model. My this makes no sense. 541 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,800 Yeah. So it should be interesting to 542 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,720 see how that kind of develops. But as far as meats go, I think 543 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,160 we should talk about your meat. Obviously you've been running 544 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,640 that for a few years and this year was the the final year and 545 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,440 I was fortunate enough to get down there last year. 546 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,880 So tell us about how how that meet kind of started and on top 547 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880 of that, just how you've been able to get so many good 548 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,600 sponsors and kind of make it a big meet. 549 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,080 We started and it this was the 8th year we had it. 550 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,280 The first year we it was RPS, maybe the first three years it 551 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,560 was in a local high school. The first year our state 552 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,200 director, and I've heard this on your podcast before and others. 553 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,200 The politics is the thing. I wish I'd never known, but the 554 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080 state director and the athletic director of the high school had 555 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,160 a falling out and he was like, you can't use our high school 556 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,120 anymore. If he's still involved. 557 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,280 I'm like, he's the state director. 558 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:53,360 I can't, you know. So we ended up having it at CTXS 559 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,480 location in Orlando a couple of years. 560 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,840 And then 2020 came and I was just like, we're just have a 561 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,200 meet right here in the gym. We'll move equipment around. 562 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,520 And when I first posted, I didn't think we would get a big 563 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,480 draw. It was, you know, Florida was a 564 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,240 very wide open state with COVID, but the rest of the country 565 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,000 wasn't. And I figured most of them would 566 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,040 be wearing masks and scared to leave their house. 567 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,000 As it turned out, now most powerlifters get careless. 568 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,960 And it turned out to be one of our bigger needs. 569 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,360 And we had a bunch of Northeastern people come down, 570 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:40,720 Chris, one that year, escape a bit and several others. 571 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,120 And after that, because I remember at some point before 572 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,840 that, I even said to Daniel, I want to hold an equipped on me 573 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,440 or an equipped me. And he goes, how many lifters 574 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,040 would you need to make it worthwhile? 575 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,240 And I'm like 12 or 15. He's like, oh, that'd be nice, 576 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,680 but it'll never happen. That's kind of like a challenge 577 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,120 to me. I'm like, it's going to happen. 578 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,280 And after that, we went with two, two days each year and 579 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,520 equipped day and a raw day. This year. 580 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,320 I initially started out with grand plans of three days for 581 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,320 our last year. We're going to have a pro 582 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,159 equipped day and an amateur equipped day. 583 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,920 I kind of like the time frame when I should have been really 584 00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,280 getting it ready. Just a whole lot was going on 585 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,000 and I didn't do things quite the way I had in the past. 586 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,239 So I quickly gave up on the amateur equipped day and we 587 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,000 ended up with it was by far the smallest name and I think I had 588 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,880 at the time I was also done maybe 18 on equipped day and 32 589 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,320 on raw day, which is long ways sold out and it would sell it in 590 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,639 under 7 minutes, 52 slots. And this year I had slots right 591 00:34:56,639 --> 00:34:59,640 up to layout. But we've just had a ton of 592 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,040 meats in Florida this year and right in this time frame that 593 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,080 never really existed in the past. 594 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,240 And all of them are having trouble filling. 595 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,560 It's just too many fats, too many meats, too close together. 596 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,280 Yeah. And but this year had a 597 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,920 different feel to it, and it was kind of nice, actually. 598 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:28,240 It was much more laid back, a much less divisive group or, you 599 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,560 know, one have an infighting group or any of that type of 600 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,360 thing. And for the most part, everyone 601 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 gets along. But, you know, there's always, 602 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:38,960 like, some cat in this hate, say, usually on the men's side. 603 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,560 Yeah. No it 100% women are very 604 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,720 supportive each other in the sport. 605 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:48,520 The men are childlike at times. Yeah, there was an equipped 606 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,720 men's group shot last year, but it was like a death of me. 607 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,200 I was just like, oh, why am I here? 608 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,440 These people are driving me insane. 609 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:01,200 This year, the raw chat took that over, but only in spurts. 610 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,880 For the most part, they were very good, but it was a good 611 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,760 year. It was last year. 612 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:13,960 I'm a terrible fundraiser. I hate asking people for money. 613 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,320 And I had just my standard people that, you know, the gym 614 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,040 members they would get every year and a few local businesses, 615 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,400 that type of thing. Lexi Viscori did it for me last 616 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,520 year. She has zero problem asking 617 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,360 anyone for money. She has zero problem. 618 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,320 You tell her I'll give 1000, she'll go. 619 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:38,400 Yeah, but if you give 2000 and I like going, we're OK, Fine. 620 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,680 If they're giving you 2000, they're giving you 2000. 621 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,440 So she raised I think between gift certificates and money, it 622 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,360 was close to $30,000 first last year. 623 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:57,600 This year was 8 or so much smaller donations. 624 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,480 This year she had managed ready to execute their logistics firm 625 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,000 that works with Bain. Then they're sponsoring Bain now 626 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:11,360 even you know and like, what can we offer to you? 627 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,000 But they've been our title sponsor 2 years in a row. 628 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,240 Yeah. And so kind of just to clarify, 629 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,400 correct me if I'm wrong, but kind of going into this year's 630 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,720 meet it you already kind of had it planned to be your the last 631 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,240 year doing it correct is. I've said it, you know, and 632 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,040 members, when I'd say this is it, this is it. 633 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,280 Yeah, You say this every year. And usually I would say it in 634 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,920 like the like last week or so, and then we'd have the meet and 635 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,280 it would just feel good, you know, everyone be happy. 636 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,720 Everyone enjoy it. It's so appreciative. 637 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,280 And I'd be like, all right, one more. 638 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640 You're right, one more this year. 639 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,800 I just, I kind of knew, you know, my husband and I aren't 640 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,040 getting any younger. It's great that our members want 641 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,760 to do the meet, but it also leaves us with higher people to 642 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,600 move the equipment and this and that. 643 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,520 You know it. In our 60s, we don't need to be 644 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,560 moving every piece of equipment in the gym. 645 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,240 So I was like, we just have to get into this business. 646 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,560 Some people have asked me, OK, would you let me run it for you 647 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,640 in the gym type of thing. I'm like, no, because you're 648 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,800 going to have the same problem with moving equipment. 649 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,480 And my husband is obsessive about his equipment can't be 650 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,120 scratched. There can't be a, you know, when 651 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,160 she calmed down going the other way. 652 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,560 But we both need it just for the stress it puts on us. 653 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,200 And for me, like I said, I'm not getting younger. 654 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,840 I have my own goals and needs that I want to be able to do. 655 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,000 And I have to block off a portion of the year. 656 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,240 I couldn't do things so selfishly. 657 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,680 Some of it's just so I can compete. 658 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,920 Yeah. And I, I think that's totally 659 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,960 fair, especially with you kind of going after some some pretty 660 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,320 goals, obviously with some things that haven't been done 661 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,520 before, maybe beating some records like you mentioned 662 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,280 before. But I think the the meat over 663 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,320 the years has been great and I think it's been great for the 664 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,640 sport, especially multiplied to be able to have these kind of 665 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,240 high level meats that aren't just the WPO. 666 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,320 Like now we have the holy wars you had that we have other meats 667 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,200 like that kind of starting to build and kind of grow the 668 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,400 community again. So I think maybe kind of 669 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480 retiring the meet where it's at, it's leaving it on a good 670 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,000 standpoint. Yeah. 671 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,160 I'd love to see there'd be like 4 big equipped meats more in 672 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,040 each, you know, season each quarter. 673 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,280 And that would be, you know, nice everyone could pick, you 674 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,760 know, at least 2 that are fairly well separated. 675 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:48,360 You know, the crazies can do 4. But it is different when it is 676 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,600 in all equipped. To me, I feel like the judging 677 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,640 is more consistent. It's more likely to be equipped 678 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,720 lifters that are in judging chairs. 679 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,040 It's not that I feel like gifts should be given because it's 680 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,640 equipped, but I do feel it looks different. 681 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,640 And a wall lifter can't understand there's a lot of 682 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,520 fabric in that hip grease. And you know, you're not seeing 683 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840 the hip crease necessarily. You're just seeing a bunch of 684 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,120 fabric and going, oh, fabric tag. 685 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,880 Yeah. And I think that that's just the 686 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,960 one of those debates and things that are just going to get 687 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,080 talked about for years and years and years. 688 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,240 But and that's something that I've obviously gone through the 689 00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,880 wringer of like, OK, do I care? Yes. 690 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,600 But there's maybe this is OK, maybe this is not OK. 691 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,960 And I think at some point it just be like we just got to 692 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,440 block out the noise and just lift and have fun. 693 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,080 Yeah. At the end of the day, if the 694 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,080 judges are loose that day, to me, if you're competitive and 695 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,920 you're an athlete, yeah, and you're able, you should take 696 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,360 advantage of it. I'm not saying, you know, 697 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,880 deliberately squat 5 inches high, but if they're not making 698 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,000 you go house parallel, why would you? 699 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,760 Yeah, it's like I remember Dave Tate said it best. 700 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,560 He was saying that like if if you don't adjust that Sander 701 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,880 that day, if you can hit that number, even hit a higher number 702 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,280 because you can get away with an extra 2 inches. 703 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,600 No one has ever said no. I want to get to parallel just 704 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,720 because I can. And, and I have the coach that 705 00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:26,160 will. He likes depth. 706 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,240 Yeah. It's like if I get enough call 707 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,080 from him and training, I'm like, oh, this is a really great day. 708 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,520 Yeah, and. I'm like, I'm coming off. 709 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,400 Yeah. And that comes down to obviously 710 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920 like back to the kind of crew mentality of not only the trust, 711 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,440 but also the being able to hold themselves accountable and kind 712 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600 of not just like giving stuff away like in training and 713 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,560 training 4 inches higher than you get to the meet and you're 714 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,040 like, why can't I get a white light? 715 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,040 Yep. Yeah, and that's what he'll 716 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,760 always tell me he'll be like. If you can do it to my standard 717 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,920 in this gym, you're going to be fine. 718 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,680 Unless any meet we got to. Yeah. 719 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,560 All right, but that's a good way of looking at it And it took me, 720 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,600 I had, I think there's a program I bombed that I actually like 721 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,400 sort of passed out during the lift. 722 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,760 It wasn't like a full block out, but you know, it was like, and I 723 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,080 got paranoid after that and finally he just been like in 724 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,240 training. It was just like, I failed 725 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,040 before I could get to that pressure point. 726 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:34,000 And he was like, and I was like, I don't know what to do. 727 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,960 And he's like, you just have to trust the three of us fighting. 728 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,920 You have you, you know, if if you pass out, we've got you. 729 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,400 And he goes, you see me pass it. And that's that's hard to do. 730 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,760 Yeah. And that's that something that 731 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,000 takes a while and something that obviously there's a lot of crews 732 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,160 around here that I could go to a bunch of different gyms. 733 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320 I knew I'm going to trust everyone there that's spotted me 734 00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,560 to if I want to put £1000 on my back. 735 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:02,040 I have absolutely No Fear of getting under that weight just 736 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,800 because it was around me. Yeah, y'all have a nice that 737 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,320 it's so close together, you know so many, you know gyms you can 738 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,240 go train out and see different people and things. 739 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400 It's one of the things I really like to be able to do. 740 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,240 It's hard to do when you are in a gym, but you know every now 741 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,960 and then I'll be able to go over to CTX and carrying. 742 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,280 Not often, but a few times. Used to more when Daniel was 743 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,840 based out of there. And then the other multiply gems 744 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,080 that are down here are just a lot further away. 745 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,320 Yeah. And I think that's what's kind 746 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,200 of great about the social media aspect of piloting. 747 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,800 I would say there's a lot of bad with it, but I think obviously 748 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,840 like this podcast, for example, and just all the the other gyms 749 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,520 in New England, but we also have gyms like you guys, CTX in 750 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,400 Florida, we have Wolfpack and RPG out in the Midwest and 751 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,000 obviously Ohio. And we're all so well connected. 752 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,200 We're all learning from each other. 753 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,360 We're all being able to travel to Meads, travel, just a train. 754 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,520 And I think that not only helps the community, but it's just 755 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,560 helping the numbers go up and up and up on pop Open powerlifting, 756 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,760 yeah. I feel like anytime you can be 757 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,800 around people that may have just a little bit slightly different 758 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,800 way of seeing something or doing something, it made that, you 759 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,040 know, I've had times where Daniel's been telling me to do 760 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,960 something and it made sense, but then someone else would say it 761 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,320 just a tad bit differently. Like now it really makes sense 762 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,040 and I think it's just hearing it things explained a little 763 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,680 differently. Or we used to have a Seth 764 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:42,080 Albertsworth of the channel, Seth and Manor Canadian, some of 765 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,680 their cues. For the longest time, I didn't 766 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,800 know what Seth was trying to tell me. 767 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,680 It would just be like, yeah, we always laugh. 768 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,800 Fans queue on everything is elbows. 769 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,920 Yeah, I'm like, are you going to yell elbows at me when I'm dead 770 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,680 lifting? Yeah, and I think a prime 771 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,320 example of that is just me in the bed shirt when Rupa would 772 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,720 always be like RIP it down, like break hard, blah, blah, blah. 773 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,440 Just kind of the same thing different ways. 774 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,240 And then when I was at the Pro AM, Me, me and Bane and my 775 00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,680 friend Donnie, we're we're at River City bench and he's like, 776 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,960 you just got to like RIP it down and break like basically said 777 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,480 the exact same thing, John said. But for some reason it 778 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,040 immediately clicked. And I mean, obviously my bench 779 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,120 shows long ways to go, but it's been so much better from that 780 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,080 moment. And that's something that when 781 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,720 you kind of stake and find your own crew in your own gym and you 782 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:32,600 just are super culty and just don't kind of get out there, you 783 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:34,840 you don't get opportunities like that. 784 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,160 And that's how I would love to be able to take a vacation, like 785 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,120 up in the Northeast and just, you know, go to three or four, 786 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,160 just pick a few and, you know, just go train on whatever day 787 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,880 they have is a big day. Yeah. 788 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,400 And kind of with that, I guess a little bit of a, a variable to 789 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,920 talk about too. It's kind of climbing at 790 00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,880 different meets. Obviously you guys down in 791 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,760 Florida, it's hot, it's humid and kind of up here it can get 792 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,160 very cold. And I just remember when you 793 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,720 guys came out for holy war is just Danny and and Dan were just 794 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,360 being like, it's cold as shit here. 795 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:08,720 They're like, how do you guys train here? 796 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:10,600 And we're kind of like the opposite of like, how do you 797 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,240 guys train in the heat? So for you, what's that kind of 798 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:15,960 how, how much does that affect you? 799 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,880 I'm not a cold weather person, but I don't know that it affects 800 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,040 me at a meet necessarily. I can block it high. 801 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,320 It probably I could see where blocking out the heat would be 802 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,760 harder than blocking out the cold. 803 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,280 You know, as long as you can, you know, stay warm somehow 804 00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680 between loafs. Whereas the heat, you know, you 805 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,400 just, you can only take off so many layers of clothing and 806 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,560 you're in equipped gear anyway. It's it's hard. 807 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:54,440 But like, I saw a thing today, you know, North Carolina's way 808 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,520 up in the hundreds and we're in the 80s. 809 00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,880 It's not necessarily always hotter here in the summer. 810 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,600 I'll look a lot of times, Virginia's always worse when we 811 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,280 have to travel for work. Yeah, I remember actually last 812 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,400 week I looked when it was, it was 100° up here in Boston and I 813 00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,480 looked out just to see and it was like 70° in California. 814 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,720 I'm like, this is this is ridiculous. 815 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:19,160 Yeah, it makes no sense sometimes. 816 00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,920 But I think kind of before you wrap things up here, just kind 817 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,680 of talking about the being an older woman in the sport and 818 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,280 kind of trying to get maybe some people that are maybe a little 819 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,240 bit older or maybe we're pile lifting before and kind of 820 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,040 retired but have never been in gear. 821 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,480 Maybe. What would you kind of tell them 822 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,800 to what your experience has been like and how you've seen the 823 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,880 benefits from it? I would tell them, if nothing 824 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,840 else, get yourself a pair of briefs or borrow a pair of 825 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,280 briefs and just see how it will feel on your hips. 826 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:58,760 I feel like women in particular, it's a lot of hip issues and I 827 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,120 know guys do too, but I think women in particular that 828 00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,600 compression will make you believe you can do things that 829 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,360 you had written off in the past. I feel like as we get older as 830 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,400 women in a lot of times we fall into the, I want to tone, I, I, 831 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,360 you know, I want my arms to not flap or whatever. 832 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,960 And you're over there with the pink and blue and green 833 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,840 dumbbells and you're not accomplishing what you're 834 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,320 trying, but you're still putting an effort and you're still in 835 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,920 the gym. You know, you might as well go 836 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,720 ahead and try a little bit heavier, a little bit different, 837 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:38,120 right? What was some protection? 838 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,520 Yeah, and I think, I think from the, I guess from the the 839 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,520 science and nerdy perspective, like putting compressive forces 840 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,040 on your bones and your tendons isn't going to make you more 841 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,320 crippled than put you in a wheelchair. 842 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,880 If anything is going to keep you walking and mobile longer. 843 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,200 And obviously that has more impact than just being able to 844 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,440 train heavy. It allows you to spend more time 845 00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:00,200 with family and maybe go on further trips and not be limited 846 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,720 by a wheelchair or crotch or anything like that. 847 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,440 Yeah. I mean, at, you know, some point 848 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,920 it becomes I can get off the floor, you know, I, I can, you 849 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,800 know, like you said, play with your grandkids or great 850 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:17,200 grandkids or whatever you have. And that's going to translate. 851 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,560 Even if you don't do crazy numbers or, you know, even 852 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,680 compete in it, at least see what it's about. 853 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,400 It's worth it. Yeah, and kind of just in 854 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,880 general, I think maybe a lot of people share this opinion, maybe 855 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,160 not, but I think just squatting and briefs and wraps has to be 856 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,360 my favorite thing, and powerlifting in general. 857 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,760 Briefs. Yes, I hate a wrap. 858 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,560 Really. If I could find a sleeve that 859 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,120 was really comfortable to wrap I would be in it. 860 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,760 My right knee every time it is wrapped just blows up. 861 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,200 Never had an entry to it. It doesn't matter who wraps it. 862 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,880 If they wrap spiral, if they wrap crisscross, if they wrap in 863 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,640 or they wrap that, it still blows up. 864 00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,360 Yeah. And I think. 865 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,600 We may have gotten in. In fairness, we may have found 866 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,640 what I was doing wrong. OK. 867 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:13,920 The weekend before my mate, but basically when I would go to 868 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,920 like go back before I skip my hips under, I was extending the 869 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,440 knees and we think it was just punching up in the back of the 870 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,720 knee wrong at that point. When I came forward and just 871 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,560 pinching something weird, I didn't do it at the knee and I 872 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,080 didn't do it the last week of training and I didn't have any 873 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,000 needs going. Well, there you go. 874 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,880 I think it's, it's very interesting to see how different 875 00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,360 people like have their set up in gear. 876 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,320 Like I'm someone who like, I want everything tight cranked. 877 00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,840 I want to basically not be able to feel my body. 878 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,920 Some people are like, I don't want the straps on. 879 00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,480 I want, I don't even want to use like you have Rodney who doesn't 880 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,000 even use knee wraps. And like, it's just, it's so 881 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,840 cool to see how people can make make it work and put up these 882 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,560 crazy numbers with just so many different variables. 883 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,800 Yeah, I noticed I and I didn't notice it for someone pointed at 884 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,680 that Phil Herndon was in sleeve in his knee. 885 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,000 Like OK, you know, I don't feel so bad, but I don't wrap some 886 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,760 days. Yeah. 887 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,760 But I I think we can kind of wrap things up here. 888 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,120 So I'll ask you my final question. 889 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,080 If you could give a new power lifter or someone going to their 890 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,840 first meet, no matter their age, a word of advice, what would 891 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:27,320 that be? Pick openers that, as Daniel 892 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,360 says, I could light you on fire and you can go hit them on the 893 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:34,240 platform. You're going to enjoy the day as 894 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,120 long as you don't miss an opener on one of the lifts and then 895 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,680 you're going to stretch yourself out and it's not worth it. 896 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,120 First meet. Everything you do is appeal and 897 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,560 just the fact that you made it to the platforms if you don't. 898 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:55,320 So give yourself the chance to to win that day mentally and 899 00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160 fall in love with it. And then you got a baseline you 900 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,320 can go from. But there's no reason to have 901 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,480 that stress in the first meet A. 100% the first meet should be 902 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,240 not the funnest but it should be the least stressful for sure. 903 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,920 And that was kind of how I treated single fly. 904 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,440 It was going to be my first single fly me everything was 905 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,280 going to be APMR again, even going back to raw at the 906 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,120 program. I did that a little bit. 907 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:26,040 I'm, and I hear this from a lot of people, I'm a spreadsheet 908 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,560 nerd. So I've got every variation and 909 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,160 a different tab. You know, what I've done in it, 910 00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:34,000 dates and what I was wearing and what I weighed back then. 911 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:40,760 And at 60 I made over £60 because I'm like, all right, 912 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,080 it's going to deteriorate at some point and I need a baseline 913 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,400 where I'm not trying to do what I did at 56. 914 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,440 For most people, they're saying what I did at 28. 915 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,920 But so I do feel like always resetting yourself and really 916 00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:02,440 thinking about where you are body and mentally and what time 917 00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,520 you got in your private life. Yeah, I think. 918 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,080 That influence your meat. Yeah, 100%. 919 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,440 I think just like what you're saying with the kind of over 60 920 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,720 tab, I think it's really good for your mindset to be able to, 921 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,960 like you said, reset and kind of have a a new outlook on it, 922 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,680 whether you're trying a new gear setup, even if you're trying a 923 00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,920 new shirt, maybe you start logging well, what have I done 924 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,760 in this shirt? So I wanted to thank you again 925 00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,480 for taking the time to come on. It was my pleasure. 926 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,120 Very. Nice, I was like I enjoyed 927 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:29,080 talking to. You. 928 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:30,080 Thank you, sweet.