1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Grab your pre workout and turn up that volume. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,040 It is time for a new episode of The Power Lifters Den with your 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,880 host Cam Smith. Hello everybody. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,680 Welcome back to another episode of the Power Lifters Den. 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:16,920 I'm your host Cam Smith and we are back to bring on a a beast 6 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,920 of a human, someone who is squatted over 1000 lbs raw. 7 00:00:23,240 --> 00:00:26,760 A comical power lifter of sorts. Patrick, why don't you introduce 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,080 yourself? Hi, I'm Patrick McGuire, super 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,960 heavyweight powerlifter. I don't really know what to say 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,120 about myself because I'm not really that special. 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:44,840 I just squatted 1003 at the American Pro 622 bench, which 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,640 wasn't APR either, and then 716 deadlift, which also wasn't APR. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,000 So I'm just one of those average going into a meet, don't PR 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 anything except the total. I mean you are definitely not 15 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:01,640 what I'd call average. I guess we can start by kind of 16 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,000 talking about what got you into the sport itself, maybe what 17 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,320 inspired you or if you had like a sports background that kind of 18 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:13,040 transitioned you into it. So I Back in high school, I 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,160 played football, ice hockey and then my senior. 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,400 Instead of doing ice hockey, I joined the bowling team because 21 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,960 bowling's fantastic. But my oldest brother. 22 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:27,480 Kind of. Every summer we'd have this 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,840 thing where we basically go to the gym every day and we'd have 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,440 a good time, watch MMA fights at night and that overall kind of 25 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,320 thing. But when he went off to college, 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,840 there was kind of like that void going on. 27 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,200 And I I got up to the point where I don't actually know how 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,040 heavy I was back in high school. I remember I was, I think I was 29 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:53,320 210 back in 6th or 7th grade, so I was just the fat kid. 30 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,800 And I got tired of being the fat kid. 31 00:01:56,080 --> 00:02:00,160 So I, I I started going to the gym for for kind of like health 32 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:02,360 purposes. Trying to trying to lose weight, 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,760 trying to look good naked, That whole shebang, watching Kai 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,000 Green, Ronnie Coleman videos, going to the health club and 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,560 watching all the soccer Mills just stare at me while I just 36 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,520 scream. Yeah buddy. 37 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:21,800 But I got down to like two 40s which. 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,040 I I don't actually know where I started off at, but that was the 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,000 summer after I graduated high school. 40 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 And there was, there was a guy at my gym who was well known for 41 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:33,400 being like the strong guy in the gym. 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,000 And he had his own like online powerlifting team. 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,440 And I was doing like 2A day splits, doing like Ronnie 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,920 Coleman's like his training day. In the morning I'd go to school 45 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:48,720 or like, go home, take a nap, eat a meal and then come back in 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,840 the afternoon. And then run an Arnold 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,680 Schwarzenegger day for the same muscle group, kind of do 2A days 48 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,080 trying to trying to beat a dead horse. 49 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:02,120 And I developed tendonitis in my wrist from playing football and 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,920 playing hockey and I I really noticed it with preacher curls. 51 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,880 And so I asked the lead trainer at at the gym that I was going 52 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,200 to his Hampshire Hills in. I don't know if it's Milford or 53 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,800 Amherst NH, but I was going there and the lead trainer was 54 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,840 like, why don't you talk to Brad? 55 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,200 Because, Brad. He's got these wrist wraps they 56 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,920 they help support the wrists and and whatnot. 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,560 So I I go up and I talk to him he's like well are you a pussy? 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,560 And I was like I I don't think so. 59 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,520 He was like come bench with us on Wednesday we'll we'll see 60 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,560 whether or not you're a pussy and that that was the first time 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,560 I ever trained powerlifting. I think we maxed out bench and I 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,360 benched like three O 5. Nothing too shabby and. 63 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,120 That November I did my first meet. 64 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,360 It was, I think I benched 335 and deadlifted four O 5 and it 65 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,480 was a push pull, so no squat. And my squat at the time was 66 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,960 3/15, so I I didn't want to help bench my squad. 67 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,400 So yeah, yeah, so that's that's awesome. 68 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,600 I love hearing everyone's origin stories. 69 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,000 For me it was. I kind of was always big into 70 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,600 lifting for sports, specifically football, and kind of towards 71 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,760 the end of my college career, obviously the past few years, I 72 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,160 was like, I want to compete. I figured this would be 73 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,079 something I got into after the fact. 74 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:22,880 So now I do golf and powerlifting to very drastic 75 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,400 ends of the sport. But kind of the two paths that I 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,440 feel like most retired college college athletes go for, I get. 77 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,640 So you did mention that you competed at the American Pro 78 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,280 this year. Was that your first time 79 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:37,480 competing at the American Pro? I competed at the American Pro 80 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,000 last year as well. I didn't have as good of a 81 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,800 showing. I got the American Pro one, I 82 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,000 got my squat opener on my 3rd and by the by, when when that 83 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,880 happens, you just don't want to be there anymore and you're 84 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,040 like, let's just go and and like let's finish the meet and then 85 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,280 let's just go home. So I I went one for three on 86 00:04:55,280 --> 00:05:01,240 squats with 970 and then I benched 628 I think and then 87 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:08,520 deadlifted 728 which was a 2332 I think. 88 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,360 And that was the first time I PR D my deadlifts since 2016. 89 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,840 Yeah, it was. It was kind of funny that the 90 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:22,480 one lift that actually went according to plan was the the 91 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,240 red headed stepchild of my 3 lifts. 92 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,280 Yeah, I feel like that's kind of the same way for me. 93 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,960 I think it used to be bench for me, but like, recently my bench 94 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,920 has been going through a growth phase. 95 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,120 My squats just been my squat. I mean, they're not relatively 96 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,320 comparable, but yeah, I think the American Pro has been like 97 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,360 an awesome meet to watch. I mean, you get some of the 98 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,800 heavy hitters there. So maybe talk about more some of 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,440 the actual experience of going to the meet, seeing some of 100 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:52,800 these heavy hitters. Just the the energy and all 101 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,040 that. The biggest difference between 102 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:03,280 the American pro and like a local meet is there isn't that 103 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:05,880 much of a difference except they had a bouncer at the door 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,680 because like when you go to a local meet. 105 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,440 You know the warm up room gets swamped, crowded and there's 106 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,240 there's no room for anything to go on. 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,360 But at the American Pro, you had to have like a like a coaching 108 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,600 pass or a lifter pass or just walk around in a singlet. 109 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:22,480 No one was going to question anyone if you were like half 110 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,560 naked, but like it. It was a bouncer at at the door 111 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,760 making sure that no one who wasn't supposed to be in there 112 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,760 was in there. But like everyone, like, it's 113 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,600 almost like one big family when when you're competing, because 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 when you compete and you're competing against someone. 115 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,400 Especially at the top level, you never want to beat someone and 116 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,280 then be like, you know, I didn't really have my best day. 117 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:49,280 So everyone's like sharing food, sharing water, sharing whatever 118 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:53,360 they can to help their competitors to, to perform at 119 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,680 their best so that when you eventually do beat them, they 120 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,320 got no excuses. You don't. 121 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,040 There's no asterisks on your Hall of Fame when you're when 122 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,680 you beat them, when you've made sure that they are as prepared 123 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,120 as you are. So it was it was pretty cool, 124 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,440 like. I got to talk to Chad Penson. 125 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,880 I got to talk to Justin Zadal. Ed Blair is pretty cool in 126 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:20,600 person. Hunter Henderson a lot. 127 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,280 It was. It was. 128 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,640 It was real cool just to get a bunch of meatheads in the same 129 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,160 zone with all the same goal and just exist. 130 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,720 Yeah, yeah, it seems. I think that's something that 131 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 eventually I'd like to try to get to that level of the go to. 132 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,920 It just seems like a unmatched like energy and kind of it 133 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,040 almost seems it's like obviously the WPO is more of like the 134 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,520 equipped. This is kind of like the raw 135 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:47,320 meat I would say. I guess there's like that and 136 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,480 the Ghost Clash, I guess maybe for for you, what's what's your 137 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,680 next plan meet? I don't know if you have one set 138 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,840 yet or you're kind of just in a training phase or? 139 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,880 I just started training for the Ghost Class 3. 140 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,600 It'll be my first meet in sleeves, so not. 141 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,800 I'm looking forward to not stressing about the timer, but 142 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,840 I'm not looking forward to everyone being like, oh, you get 143 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,080 this much out of your raps. Yeah, that's. 144 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:17,120 Yeah. I mean, is there a reason you 145 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,600 chose to do sleeves or is the Ghost Clash? 146 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,200 Can you use raps in that or is it just a choice you made? 147 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,640 Yeah, I I competed in the first Ghost Clash and I I used raps. 148 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,640 And at that meet, I actually got to talk with Dan Bell. 149 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:30,680 And he was like, all right, listen. 150 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,880 You can't be. You can't just do one type of of 151 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:36,480 lift. You don't want, you don't want 152 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,159 the the wraps to be your crutch. You have to do a lot more work 153 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,880 outside of the wraps and then whatever you do is going to 154 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,760 translate directly into the wraps. 155 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,280 So what what he says, what what he was doing at the time before 156 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,920 he like competed 20 times and what was it, 22 or 23 whatever. 157 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,480 It was a ridiculous amount of time. 158 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,200 So he was like. Every other meat do wraps and 159 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,840 every other meat do sleeves so that you get that compounding 160 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,520 interest. You get more than just one kind 161 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,560 of total because when you're doing wraps you got that central 162 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:12,840 nervous system just just firing. Like I've I've I've thrown up at 163 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,880 each of my past four meets just from the central nervous system, 164 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,000 overloading and overheating and stuff and then like having to 165 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,320 recover from that just in time to start benching, warming up 166 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,600 for bench or like. The American Pro was fast. 167 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,640 So I was I was doing some of my recovery stuff in between my 168 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,160 bench warm up stuff just so that I could get onto the platform. 169 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,960 But going into sleeves you're not able to push your limits as 170 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,080 much because it it's it's more muscular than its elastic 171 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,800 Potential energy going through your knees and and collecting 172 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:47,960 that with the wraps and the stiffness of the wraps and all 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,120 that big science voodoo bullshit stuff. 174 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,080 But which means that like. I've I've done a couple bench 175 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,880 only meets in the past and I've always said bench only is gay 176 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,520 unless you're injured or seven hundreds on the bar. 177 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:07,280 And I it usually takes me like 4 or five years to to beat the 178 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,960 numbers that I hit in that bench only meet. 179 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:14,040 So, like having the the sleeves squat where you're not taxing 180 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,320 your CNS as much, where it's more like you're not going to 181 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,320 squat as heavy unless you're Craig Foster in Sleeves than you 182 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,360 will in wraps. So like having a little bit more 183 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,200 left on the table, a little more energy in reserve means that you 184 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,480 potentially will have a higher bench and higher deadlift. 185 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,200 And we all know how my deadlift goes. 186 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,320 Yeah. So I mean I just started using 187 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,400 wraps this year. So I've kind of thought about, 188 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,880 I've got, I've been kind of questioning like what's what's 189 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,400 my total going to look like in sleeves or what's my squawking 190 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,640 look like in sleeves. Now Because most of my training 191 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,440 I only put on the wraps if it's heavy, single or like a straight 192 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,680 bar, straight weight, which I haven't done that on squats 193 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:56,200 since the meet. So I mean, I feel like I've gone 194 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,760 through a really big growth period with it. 195 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,200 But I do think it's important to kind of make sure you're still 196 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,040 building a foundation. Just like with any multiply guys 197 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,120 like you still have to be strong at your base or you're just not 198 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,440 going to be able to handle weights no matter what the suit 199 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,720 does. It's it's kind of similar to how 200 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,920 I approach my belt. Previously I used to belt up 201 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,560 even just for the bar like. I wouldn't latch the belt, but 202 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,640 I'd still have the belt on because someone was like, you 203 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 realize that when you have your belt on, your form is different 204 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,200 than when it's not on. You got to practice that. 205 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,800 And I just took that to heart and I just ran with it. 206 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,200 And then I ended up with a herniated disc because my cord 207 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,000 was so weak from just using the belt as a crutch all the time. 208 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,360 So like when I when I got the herniated disc, someone actually 209 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,840 stole my belt and I didn't realize it for like 6 months. 210 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,080 But coming back didn't use a belt. 211 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,760 And now now it's like I start warming up. 212 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,800 I'm like naked. And then I throw on the sleeves 213 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,720 and then I throw on the belt and then I latch the belt and then I 214 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,880 take the sleeves off and then I start with the wrap. 215 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,560 So it's like a progression so that I'm not relying on one like 216 00:11:57,560 --> 00:12:00,240 equipment system and at a single time, so that I'm building up 217 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,040 the raw strength without affecting anything else. 218 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Yeah. And that's actually a good thing 219 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,560 to bring up too, because I mean, some people like to go with like 220 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:14,680 I don't put the belt on till I'm not like 60% or something I've 221 00:12:14,680 --> 00:12:16,720 kind of done is in the offseason. 222 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,800 I kind of do around 60% when I'll throw the belt on. 223 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,960 But when I'm in prep, once I have two plates on the bar for 224 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,400 that, the left or squat, that's when I'll throw it on, just to 225 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,880 either save my back or just kind of keep injury prevention at a 226 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,760 lower level during the prep. Yeah, you want to play just the 227 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,600 tip with, like, pushing your limits without getting injured. 228 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Yeah. And it's kind of like just 229 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,120 shouldn't, like you said, not develop weaknesses. 230 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:45,360 Kind of like if some people will use like straps on every single 231 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,280 back exercise in the book and then they go to try to deadlift 232 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,880 and they wonder why they're dropping four O 5 double 233 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,800 overhand when they can pull six with straps, so. 234 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,560 I I just recently started using straps and stuff on on back 235 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:03,280 exercises, but my caveat with that would be that I also make 236 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,120 sure on every bench and every deadlift day that isn't 237 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,600 succeeded by. A bench or a deadlift day that 238 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,520 I'm doing some sort of grip work so that I still get the the the 239 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,400 gripper, the the grip going so it and and that really helped 240 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,480 it. It brought me from dropping 700 241 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,400 for five years in a row on deadlifts to locking out 777 242 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:32,120 twice and then getting Reds. So do you, I guess, more into 243 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,640 your training? What is kind of like your 244 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,120 structure of training? Do you have a coach like do? 245 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,720 What kind of program do you follow? 246 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:44,440 I've been with Joe Sullivan for the past year about if I've I've 247 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,000 I've had his girlfriend Brioni Terry running my nutrition for 248 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,280 the past like 2 1/2, maybe three years. 249 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,760 At this point, when I when I was looking for a new coach, I 250 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,120 actually asked Brioni and she was like, no do Joe. 251 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:06,600 I hooked up with Joe and it's it's I I used to run 5th set. 252 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,480 I I ran 5th set for for seven years in a row. 253 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:15,320 And this new this new training has a whole lot of variables 254 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,520 that I had not even considered. Like the biggest one would be an 255 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,440 undulated deload kind of method where. 256 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,960 I never take a full deload like a whole week where I'm just 257 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,160 doing like 5 by three or or three by 150% or whatever. 258 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,400 It's always like I'll be squatting heavy, I'll be 259 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 benching heavy and I might be deloading my deadlift or like 260 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Deload, my squat still be benching, still be dead lifting. 261 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,240 And it's it's kind of like a push and pull of like where the 262 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,360 fatigue systems are are are laying out and then I used to 263 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,240 train three days a week and then as I got closer to the American 264 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,680 Pro the first time I was doing. One training session every three 265 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:55,480 days. So my week would be 9 days long, 266 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,200 but I would only get three training sessions in. 267 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,760 But Joe pretty much was like, you're being fat, stop doing 268 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,680 that. And now I train five days a 269 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,800 week. One day is completely cardio. 270 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,920 It's like cardio, sprints, cardio making me less fat, 271 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,440 basically. And then there's there's the 272 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:16,920 justification for all that stuff is is like, I didn't really 273 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,440 understand it until I saw how it. 274 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,520 Cracker like in action on the platform at the American Pro 275 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,160 because my after the squats like we already said that my CNS was 276 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,520 blown out. I was overheating I think 277 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Garrett said I I was sick or something and I dropped my bench 278 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,800 opener. I I haven't watched back the the 279 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,720 the the footage from the the stream yet but everyone always 280 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,520 mentioned on that and it was like I didn't drop because of 281 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,520 that and I dropped it because I I couldn't hit anything over 545 282 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:51,440 in training on bench but. There's ADHD side tangent yeah 283 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:57,160 the cardio yeah it's it's it was cool because now now we're 284 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,240 getting into the the the the kind of funky voodoo bullshit as 285 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,520 I, as I call it. Because if when when you hear 286 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,160 Joe talk about things on on like his Instagram stories and stuff 287 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,440 a lot of people are like there's no way that that just sounds 288 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,080 weird. It it, it doesn't. 289 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,480 And and I was in that group too until recently where he's 290 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,360 talking about. Training your hypoxic response, 291 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:22,880 which is basically your body's response to having less oxygen 292 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,560 in it. And because you put yourself 293 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:29,920 into hypoxia when you're lifting, because you are, you're 294 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,240 trying to control your heart rate like you almost have a 295 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:37,000 video game controller able to control how fast, how slow your 296 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,760 heartbeat goes once you train, train your cardio up to a 297 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,160 healthy point. And it's completely based on how 298 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,360 you're breathing. There's there's the sympathetic, 299 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:48,000 parasympathetic nervous systems that go in effect when you 300 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,960 breathe in increases your heart rate. 301 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,800 When you exhale, decreases your heart rate. 302 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:56,920 So a lot of like the, the, the, like meditations from like the 303 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,920 Far East and whatnot is all about slowing down the heart 304 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:01,440 rate and and being more centered. 305 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,280 No one really like ninjas used to do that mythologically and 306 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,680 like. There's so many people online 307 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,040 that are like, I'm a Viking, I'm a tiger, I'm a lion. 308 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,800 No one's like, but what the fuck did the ninjas do? 309 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:16,440 Like how? How are they so efficient at 310 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,240 killers? We're trying to assassinate 311 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,200 these weights. What were they doing? 312 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,359 And so we're just controlling our heart rate with, with the 313 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,359 breathing rates, with meditative breathing. 314 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,120 And it's like, I'm like, this feels so stupid, but it works. 315 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,800 Like going into the mean I was, I was the least confident that I 316 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,120 had ever been. Because my my nutrition was not 317 00:17:38,120 --> 00:17:41,200 anywhere. It like, I'm eating 2900 to like 318 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,600 3500 calories, like being at 3:50, that's that seems kind of 319 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,760 low. And then also doing a ridiculous 320 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,720 amount of cardio every day, I was like, I I don't think I'm 321 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,680 stronger. And then I go out, I'm 17 lbs 322 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,400 lighter. Like I was in fights with 323 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,840 Brianna constantly. I was like, I need to be at 370. 324 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,200 I need to be at 370. And she was like, no, you don't 325 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,160 think about your DOS. And I was like, Oh my gosh. 326 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:09,240 Fucking dots. The dots. 327 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,760 I just want a bigger total. And I go out there, I get AI, 328 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,280 get a total PR and I'm like, shit, it worked. 329 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:22,040 Like at one point I was like, I don't, I need to be at 370. 330 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,280 I'm freaking out. And I'm too light right now 331 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,200 because I was at like 320 in the offseason and they were like, 332 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,640 hey Pat, calm the fuck down and shut the fuck up. 333 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,600 And I was like, you know what? I'm pissed off now. 334 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,320 I'm just going to be maliciously compliant. 335 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,920 You give me the program, I'm falling it to a tee. 336 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,160 If it works, good for me. If it doesn't work, you're 337 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,280 fucking wrong, yeah. And now I'm just eating crow 338 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:48,160 because it works. Yeah. 339 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,080 But it is kind of that brings up a good point too. 340 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:55,040 I think something with like with hiring a coach, like you might 341 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,880 question some of the things they do or maybe it's just very 342 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,400 different from when you've done the past. 343 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,640 But I think it is very important to kind of just if you're going 344 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,720 to pay them, might as well fucking buy into what they're 345 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,040 selling. Like just just go for it. 346 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,600 If it doesn't work, see you later. 347 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,840 Like, yeah, it's. And a lot of it goes against 348 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,080 your intuition. It's like it. 349 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960 I feel like when you hire a coach, you have to ask a lot of 350 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 questions like you're going to be annoying but you literally 351 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:22,800 pay them to answer your questions. 352 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,680 It's almost like you you bought a genie, you have unlimited 353 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,320 wishes and all the wishes are are just answer my damn 354 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:30,800 questions. I don't know what's going on. 355 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:35,720 Tell me what's going on. Like, yeah, I'm like, I'm super 356 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:39,320 like, I guess OCD about like my programming. 357 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,280 So like when I get something, I read it through and I'm like, 358 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:44,200 what's this? Why does he want to do this? 359 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,280 And then like, what's it going to look like in a few weeks? 360 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:50,480 So I think being transparent like as a coach myself and 361 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,880 having a coach like being transparent with that stuff is 362 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,600 also very important. And the amount of times that 363 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,920 I've cursed my coach out. Like I I've always said the 1st, 364 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,880 the 1st 2 rules of coaching is never coach yourself, never 365 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,440 coach your significant other because like I wouldn't I would 366 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,880 not program myself the way that that Joe's been programming me 367 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,400 and when I'm like I've already puked this training cycle once 368 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,720 because we're we're trying to work on the the hypoxic response 369 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,520 and trying to work on getting better at controlling the heart 370 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,480 rate. So like he's like I'm gonna I'm 371 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:32,440 gonna have you do 180 air squat superseted with. 120 push ups 372 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,200 with 60 pull ups and you're only going to get 60 seconds of rest 373 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,760 every every single time that you go through this. 374 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,560 And I was like, that's not I I would rather masturbate with 375 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,480 sandpaper than do that. But let's do this. 376 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,200 Like I would not program that for myself. 377 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,240 The amount of times that I curse my coach out Joe, any past 378 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,920 coaches I've had, even Brianna just for the nutrition, I would 379 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,120 not 1A significant other cursing me out that much. 380 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,960 That would not be a healthy relationship. 381 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,400 That is that is Dom sub level even worse. 382 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,960 Yeah. And kind of with that the the 383 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,240 biggest thing with a coach is even like for for people that 384 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,520 are at elite level like, I mean just like you for example, like 385 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,000 Leah Reichman obviously has the highest female total of all 386 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,720 time. She still has Laura Phelps as 387 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,600 her coach like. Just because you're up in that 388 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,000 level doesn't mean you don't need someone to keep you 389 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,480 accountable. Yeah. 390 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,760 And accountability is the the biggest thing. 391 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,880 It's it's almost like you're paying like you're paying them 392 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,120 to program you. But what? 393 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,760 So one of the things that I've noticed with a lot of like lower 394 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,880 level lifters and and like I hate the word amateur level 395 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,720 lifters because we're all amateurs. 396 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,960 But they feel like they're bothering their coaches so they 397 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,920 don't send videos, they don't, they don't ask questions and 398 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,640 stuff like that where it's like that's the most important part. 399 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:04,600 Like I at one at one point in my my last training cycle I had 400 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,120 what was it like four sets of 12 dumbbell rows. 401 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,720 And I'm like, I'm I'm a big guy so I'm going to be dumbbell 402 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,400 rowing pretty heavy. And my, my my gym has like like 403 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280 plate loaded. Like you're able to load up a 404 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,320 dumbbell with plates and I got it up to 300 lbs And and I sent 405 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,960 a video of my coach. I'm like look at this. 406 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,120 I'm so proud of this and he he he sent a voice message back he 407 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:30,800 was like Patrick that was absolute dog shit. 408 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,520 Do not ever do that again. And like he he completely 409 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,560 restructured the way that I was doing my accessories. 410 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,400 Like I I basically was like accessories mean go as heavy as 411 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,560 possible as long as you can still do it. 412 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,720 Body English doesn't matter. It's just that the weight moves 413 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,680 and now it's all like everything has a tempo, everything has a 414 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,600 stretch, everything has a compression, focusing 415 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,600 specifically on the mind muscle connection. 416 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,400 Like I I watched all those Kai Green videos like 12 years ago 417 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,720 and now I'm finally under understanding what he was saying 418 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,000 and I'm like oh more than just grapefruits and shit. 419 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,800 Yeah, yeah. And I think I feel like you see 420 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,440 some of the most successful power lifters are the ones who 421 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,800 do their primary, secondary or whatever, but when they go to 422 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,640 their do their accessories, they're training like a 423 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,680 bodybuilder. Yeah, I mean, no one can 424 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760 disagree that when you add muscle, you're going to get 425 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,240 stronger. It's just the fact of life. 426 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,640 So why not do it properly to increase your muscle mass? 427 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:25,600 Yeah. So. 428 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,640 I guess also is where do you train out of? 429 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,280 Like, where's like your central gym? 430 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,640 I I'm in Manchester, NH right now at Free State Barbell. 431 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,200 I've been at at a pretty much. Up until recently I've been a a 432 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,640 gym hermit pretty much going anywhere. 433 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Like I've I trained at Mass or Mass Barbell before it closed 434 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,000 down. Back when I worked in Worcester, 435 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,240 I trained at Iron Empire before it shut down. 436 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:57,920 There isn't a trend there, I hope. 437 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:00,600 Yeah. Wait. 438 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:01,880 Free. Stay. 439 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,400 Watch out. Yeah. 440 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,400 But yeah I've I've, I've pretty much gone every like this past 441 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,520 training cycle. I went to Med fit for a couple 442 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:15,160 squat days. Like the the the gym is very 443 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,160 like you get the Monday, Wednesday, Friday crowd that do 444 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,840 squat, bench, deadlift on those specific days and then like 445 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Tuesday, Thursday it's dead. It's it's just so dead. 446 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,080 In my my program I bench before I squat. 447 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,040 So bench is on a Monday just so that I don't get the the 448 00:24:32,120 --> 00:24:34,880 inflammation in the shoulders from like going out wide to 449 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,680 squat and then just having it negatively impact my bench. 450 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,200 So I was always squatting on a Tuesday, so like load up 900 lbs 451 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,200 when there's no one in the gym. I mean I've done that before but 452 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,520 you don't want to do that. It's it's not fun. 453 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240 You end up you end up cutting yourself high. 454 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,560 You end up squatting high end training because you don't have 455 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,680 those systems of safety like I used to. 456 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,520 I used to be a hard ass. Me like never use spotters. 457 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,920 Like if you get if you put yourself in a situation where if 458 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,960 you miss the lift you're going to die you're going to find a 459 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,760 way to to make it so. I always use clips on bench and 460 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,040 and always make it so that you die if you miss a lit. 461 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,200 Now that I'm two years older, I I understand that it's it's not 462 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,720 that way. Yeah, yeah. 463 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,000 I feel like that that's something that it's kind of like 464 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,040 a. The logic, like you think about 465 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,440 it logically, you're like, well, it's kind of like the fight or 466 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,480 flight response. Like I'm going to like Joe 467 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,040 Sullivan says adapt or die. But it's like, no, you're just 468 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,560 being a fucking idiot and someone's going to find you with 469 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,880 a barbell around your neck on the next morning. 470 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,920 So I think the biggest thing and you can push yourself to limits, 471 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,080 you didn't know when you have a group of people around you, even 472 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,800 just the energy levels, but specifically the safety of just 473 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680 having spotters. There's there's the whole like 474 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:55,200 weighing of of how comfortable are you with failing versus how 475 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,960 safe are you when you do fail. And it's it's like that push and 476 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,280 pull and you don't really want to test the waters of either. 477 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,160 Just it's just always better to be safer. 478 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:08,040 Because if you die, you can't be stronger the next day, no matter 479 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,600 how enticing that is. Yeah, the economy. 480 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,680 It's awful. Yeah, I know, rough world. 481 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,320 But I guess over the years kind of what has been some of your 482 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,320 biggest like lessons or what kind of made you kind of realize 483 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,120 that you're going to be one of these top level athletes across 484 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,880 the board. I I've got some pretty bad 485 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,120 imposter syndrome so I'd I'd still don't believe that I'm I'm 486 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,560 at the top yet. Like there's still guys out 487 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,400 there like Dan Bell's records gonna stick around for a while. 488 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,240 You've got Zach Myers who's who is at 275 and is eyeing that 489 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,640 record. You got Andrew House coming in 490 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,960 getting close to that record and sleeves you've got Jesus 491 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240 Olivera's or and then there's just a little old me. 492 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,680 I'm like, I'm like it's almost like until I hit that 24 legit 493 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:06,080 then then I'm just average and I don't I don't once I hit the my 494 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:14,480 first 1005 back in 2021, I think it was or 20. 495 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,960 Yeah, I think it was 2021. I was like all right maybe we're 496 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,400 on to something. When I hit my first 600 LB bench 497 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:28,280 I was like maybe but the the deadlift has always kept me 498 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,520 humbled. It's like I could like if I had 499 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200 an 800 LB deadlift I'd be swinging swinging with with the 500 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,080 big boys. But I'm still like five years 501 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,760 worth of 675 being my my deadlift and then only recently 502 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:47,680 breaking that and and at this past meets still only 716 even 503 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,720 even with being able to lock out what I did lock out and but 504 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:56,280 still didn't get past. Like, I'm not there yet, but I I 505 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,560 have learned a lot a lot of lessons along the way. 506 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,120 It's it's like the pursuit of strength is something that no 507 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,040 one can ever take away from you unless they take like a leg or 508 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,680 something. But it's it's it's taught me a 509 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,280 lot of patience. I've had a lot of mental health 510 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,960 issues and like like I I feel like strength training and the 511 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,880 pursuit of strength is like the movie Inception where where they 512 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,680 never really know when they're in a dream unless like he spins 513 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:31,400 the top and like being able to like bench 500 or or squat 600 514 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,520 or whatever is like me spinning that top and realizing this is 515 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,360 my reality. This is where I'm in because 516 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,080 I've had, I've had times where I didn't I wasn't in in in 517 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,800 complete check with reality. Like one of one of the times 518 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,800 that I I went to the hospital, I completely hallucinated a cat. 519 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440 I I had a cat and then when they switched my meds I was like, 520 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,600 where'd the cat go? And they're like, what Cat? 521 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,400 And I was like, you're telling me that I don't have a cat 522 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:04,160 anymore, but like even further with with the stuff that Joe's 523 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,080 teaching me. Learning to control my central 524 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,960 nervous system, learning to control my breathing, my heart 525 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,760 rate, all of that stuff. It's allowed me to, like, get 526 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,120 better in touch with like controlling my emotions. 527 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,400 It sounds Pansy esque, but like couple weeks ago my cat passed 528 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,120 away and I I would have been way more self-destructive if I 529 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,240 wasn't in more control of like the the way that I I see myself 530 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,560 in like able to control myself internally. 531 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:37,200 So it's like the gym is is more than just the gym it's it's it's 532 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,040 the hard stuff is outside of the gym. 533 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,480 But the most benefits are also outside of the gym. 534 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,040 Yeah, and I think. I mean, you hear it all the 535 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,640 time. Like, no one ever regrets 536 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680 joining a gym. No one ever regrets getting a 537 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360 workout in. And I mean, for a lot of power 538 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320 lifters, it's just an escape from reality for most people. 539 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,320 And I mean, pursuing the sport is like, it's something that 540 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,880 just like, it's almost like chasing the dragon, but in a 541 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,600 much different manner. I think something that you 542 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,040 touched on briefly and something that I've been learning over the 543 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,240 past year is kind of just focusing on the longevity of the 544 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,280 sport and not just like. Trying to burn out too fast 545 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,280 because I mean you see so many people come into the sport and 546 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,760 you're like oh who this guy is going to be good and he just 547 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,920 some 19 year old kid just walked on the platform and put up 1800 548 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,600 and he's he'll be on the right track. 549 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,240 And then you check in a year later and his Instagrams gone, 550 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,840 you've never seen him compete again. 551 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,360 And it's just like it's important to find the balance. 552 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,800 Obviously it's physical, but mental is just as important in 553 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,040 the sport. Yeah finding finding that 554 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,440 personal identity of of like who you actually are is pretty 555 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,920 important because a lot of those guys, like I used to be the 556 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,840 young guy always around and everyone would be like let's 557 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,440 just wait until Patrick kids puberty. 558 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,840 But like you'll see like I remember a couple years ago 559 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,480 there was a a kid who was getting close to a 900 LB squat 560 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:07,720 at like 18 or 19 raw and I was like damn, like like we're all 561 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,440 going to be pretty screwed once he like actually goes and is is 562 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,920 here for a while And then he just he I think he hit 900 and 563 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,000 then just disappeared for like 3 years And like the the the 564 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,280 current. I think it's still the current 565 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:29,400 teen raw with raps all time total record Skylar Brand like 566 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800 he he hit that and then he disappeared for a little bit and 567 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,400 then he competed at the American Pro last year and it was pretty 568 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,600 cool to to be able to talk to him but he still hadn't gotten 569 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,680 back to to that level of where he was at and it's it's kind of 570 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,200 cool seeing guys like what used to be Larry Wheels but like now 571 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,720 it's Andrew House and the guys who like were those young guys 572 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,240 doing the the really like absurd numbers like actually continuing 573 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,200 with it and it's it's it's hard to see when kids are like I am 574 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,360 the teen they almost it's almost like peaking in high school and 575 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,480 that's that's my own personal biggest fear is having peaked so 576 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,960 I that's that's part of why I'm in the sport I don't want to 577 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,360 ever have peaked even though I know it's coming eventually. 578 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,280 Yeah, exactly. And it's kind of like the IT 579 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,720 goes along with the beginner's mindset as well as like the the 580 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,400 pursuit of just breaking records or setting your own life goals 581 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400 that you maybe have deep down side that you don't or you just 582 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,520 kind of want to see your potential. 583 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,760 Like, it's mostly just, I want to see where my limits are and 584 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,880 where I could go on the sport, not just, all right, I want to 585 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,680 get to a 700 LB Squat and then oh, OK, I'm done. 586 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,160 Yeah, 'cause, like, once you once you hit that goal, you get 587 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,680 that taste of, you get that massive, like, cache of dopamine 588 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,640 just dropped all over your face and you're like, I need more. 589 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,800 Yeah. Or at least that's how I go. 590 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:53,000 Some people are like, I got it, we're good, We can now eat salad 591 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760 and go on Turkey trots. That's. 592 00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,000 Yeah, I mean, yes. It's like the never be satisfied 593 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,840 and always like hit one goal, move on to the next and just see 594 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,720 where that drain the train is going to stop. 595 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,400 I guess the next thing I wanted to talk about with you is kind 596 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,640 of obviously you said you've had some struggles with your 597 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,040 deadlift, but you put up some insane numbers across the board 598 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,120 and your squat, I mean being able to squat over 1000 lbs, 599 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,200 that's a special club of its own. 600 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,520 What are some of the things that have got you there? 601 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,600 Maybe specific movements I guess, or you just think that's 602 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,360 been something that you've wanted to train the most or just 603 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,320 kind of explain? Overall squats for sure. 604 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,880 The thing that got me there was definitely doing air squats. 605 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,560 Like my old coach. He used to say do 100 air squats 606 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,760 a day. Just grab a broomstick and a 607 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,960 four PVC pipe. 100 squats a day because it takes about 200 reps 608 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,480 for your body to develop a muscle memory. 609 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,920 So you got to do 200 perfect squats. 610 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:03,400 You do 700 squats a week you you develop that good form and like 611 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,760 I I had some depth issues. I mean I've had depth issues on 612 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:15,080 and off but I I took a squat and I I hit 965 but called for depth 613 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,719 and I was like this is this is not OK. 614 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,480 So I started doing 100 air squats a day. 615 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:26,239 At least 25 air squats before squat sessions and and and then 616 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,960 the next meet and I was like my my Max right now is 965 so I'm 617 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,120 going to take 970 on 2nd. I still had a shitty squat. 618 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,120 I got on my toes and ended up good morning in it. 619 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,080 But on the 3rd I got 1005 and and that was that. 620 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,960 But like what I'm finding now is like basically above 95% your 621 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,679 brain can tell your body whatever it wants. 622 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,920 It's not going to listen. It's just going to tap into the 623 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,480 muscle memory like you'll see people at meets and their first 624 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,440 squat will be like, like Chef Kiss, beautiful. 625 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,960 Like this is, this is textbook squatting. 626 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,640 And then they come out for their second and it's a death grinder. 627 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,680 Their knees are touching. They're they're all hunched over 628 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,440 the bars on their their armpits. And it's you're like, who are 629 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,480 you? Like, what happened? 630 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,760 And it's 'cause that that's where their muscle memory is at. 631 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,880 Like they were able to adjust on the fly at their like 92, 1/2% 632 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,200 whatever their opener was. But once they get to their 633 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:24,560 second and third, it's like, yeah, it's it's a little bit of 634 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,720 a a boogeyman going on there. But between the air squats. 635 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,640 And I started training my core a bit more aggressively, trying to 636 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,600 get more ranges of motion, trying to work on both the the 637 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:40,040 stretch and the the the contraction of of the muscles 638 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,040 going on. Also training the obliques like 639 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,120 very few people train the obliques and it's like it it 640 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,520 makes sense because we never do a twisting movement when it 641 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,160 comes to any of the big three lists. 642 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,160 But the moment you start to twist, oh shit, probably should 643 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:57,520 have trained the obliques at some point. 644 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,040 It helps with the stability and stuff. 645 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,680 And I'm getting to the point where like I'm having to learn 646 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,160 like how to properly. Like I've I've I've talked about 647 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,360 breathing before but like when you take a squat like when you 648 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,560 take the bar. Like your the your ability to 649 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,760 take air in changes and and at at some point it knocks the air 650 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,400 out of you and you've got to be able to like like if you watch 651 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,840 the videos from my most recent American Pro my first squat, I 652 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,240 took my air. I took the bar and then I got 653 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,320 the squat command took another big air and then I squatted my 654 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,800 second attempt. I felt the pressure. 655 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,880 If I open my mouth all my air was going to go. 656 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,240 So I just, I was like, Nope, biting the bullet. 657 00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:42,600 Let's do this. Just learning how to how. 658 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,600 It's almost like the biological systems back to the funky voodoo 659 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,400 bullshit but like working all the all the muscles that are 660 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,520 used in the squat. So like doing super high volumes 661 00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,320 worth of leg extensions. Leg curls. 662 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,440 What else have I done? Like Bulgarian split squats 663 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,800 working on? Like I I recently changed to 664 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,760 squatting from barefoot to heels and turns out I don't actually 665 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,080 know how to squat. So I I have I was meeting up 666 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,560 with Dexter Bideaux the the guy who does probability up at Med 667 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,960 fit and he was like you just have you have two Frankenstein 668 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,160 legs that just don't match and you don't have any sort of 669 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:29,200 connection to the the nerves and and any control of like what's 670 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,200 actually going on there. So, like, learning how to, like, 671 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,440 contract the right muscles at the right time rather than 672 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,960 trying to muscle things up. Because I've just been muscling 673 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,560 things up for as long as I can remember. 674 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,680 Like actually learning how to lift the way that we're supposed 675 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,200 to lift. That probably got me probably 676 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,040 the furthest. And then deadlifts. 677 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,920 So when I competed at the American Pro last year, I 678 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:06,760 weighed in at 369 and I I I noticed a trend that was going 679 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,160 on when people lose weight. Like there's almost like a bell 680 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,680 curve for every every lift where the weight classes like kind of 681 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,920 distribute where the the prime leverages for each of them are 682 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320 most. On squats and bench you're super 683 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,760 heavyweight. You should be good like every 684 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,400 like a lot of people use powerlifting as an excuse just 685 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,360 to be fat and be so like I'm part of the the the the Super 686 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,600 heaviest should be for the professionals only. 687 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,680 Like if you can't open with a 800 squat and 500 bench, just 688 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,640 lose 2 weight classes and that's the whole point of dots is to 689 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,560 prevent that from happening. But people love their cookies. 690 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,400 Yeah right. I noticed that it's almost like 691 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:51,640 the the the 220-240-2275 area, that's where the prime deadlifts 692 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,560 are happening and then the squats and and bench are all 693 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,440 often super heavy so there's some sort of leverage issue 694 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,840 going on. You you look at all the top dead 695 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,960 lifters, a lot of them are dead lifting sumo. 696 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,120 They've got the leverages going on there and not a single person 697 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,840 above £300 up until Shane Haller recently and Luke Nall have have 698 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,720 been pulling sumo above 700 lbs. So it's like there's there's 699 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:18,080 some sort of like body distribution going on there. 700 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:24,240 So I was like let's Recon, get back to the same weight and my 701 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:26,800 my nutritionist Brianna Teri was like, all right, finally we're 702 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:28,600 we're going to make you not fat anymore. 703 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,880 Well we got down to 320 and I ended up pulling 750, holding it 704 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,560 for like 10 seconds at lockout just to prove to myself I 705 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,120 actually locked this out and I'm, I'm gonna hold on to it 706 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,520 doing a bit of like kind of sporadic grip work. 707 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,000 Like I'm doing more grip work now because like I basic. 708 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,920 I've I've seen like what it's able to do for me and I'm able 709 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,920 to progress like with it. And it's a lot of like not not 710 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,600 even heavy singles, a lot of light singles. 711 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:06,040 Like I'll have a 10 by 1 at like 500 lbs with a. 60 seconds of 712 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,280 rest and it's like the the 10th Rep has to look the same as the 713 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,760 first Rep and that's building that consistency. 714 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,680 Almost like the air squats with the squats. 715 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,240 Kind of building that deadlift up to to something that I won't 716 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,120 be embarrassed about. Something that I won't out 717 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,080 bench. I still out bench my sumo 718 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,760 though, yeah. That's kind of like, I do agree 719 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,480 with that kind of bell curve thing, because something like 720 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,240 John Ruppo told me once was like. 721 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,960 Like, so he's sitting around like 315 now, but he's like if I 722 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,840 if I were to put on like 1015 lbs, my deadlift might go down 723 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,320 by 20 lbs just because either my stomach's in the way of the bar, 724 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,520 I can't get down into my proper position. 725 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,560 But yeah, so I did notice that too. 726 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,280 Like the the two 2242 is where you see like some of those Moss 727 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,160 or deadlift just because. Whether like at that weight 728 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,200 class, that's like you can be like a lean, like the body 729 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,160 composition is overall Like you don't really see like very 730 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,640 fluffy 240 twos at the elite level, Like that's just at that 731 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,120 point they're going up to 275 plus and it's kind of the 732 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,400 opposite. With bench, it's like the 733 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,480 heavier you are usually, the more you can press. 734 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,040 Like, I mean Julius Maddox, 770, he's like a £400 dude. 735 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,640 Like there's not many people under the. 736 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,240 I mean, it's rare to see a £500 bench at 2:42. 737 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,480 Anything under that, it's basically you don't really see 738 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,040 it. So yeah there's like 90% of 739 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,880 deadlifts is all in the starting position. 740 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,320 So like if you can get into the perfect starting position you're 741 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,800 you're golden. And us fat guys who struggle to 742 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:38,480 pick up to to even put on our socks but that and the same with 743 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,160 with bench I lost about two inches. 744 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:45,080 I I went from 370 to 3:20 and back up to 350. 745 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,520 I lost about two inches of belly and I was taking a video. 746 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,960 I was like damn I could actually compete in the USAPL. 747 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,520 Now I'm I'm hitting depth on my bench. 748 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,080 This is absurd. But with that also came with 749 00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:00,440 like we we I hadn't ever trained the like 2 inches is a lot. 750 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,720 I was getting girl. It is a significant amount. 751 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,800 It's too much. Yeah. 752 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,440 That's that's like 175 PSI when I'm at 3:50, you know? 753 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,760 Yeah, but we hadn't ever trained that, that two inches. 754 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,840 So I was getting extra inflammation in like 4 weeks out 755 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,480 from the meet. I ended up missing a 575 bench 756 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,800 because like my descent got it was it was almost like someone 757 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,360 turned the video into slow motion. 758 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,840 Like it just came down and it was probably a 10 second 759 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,640 descent, 2 second pause and then like start to like at that 760 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:31,960 point. It's it's not even worth 761 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,960 pressing at that point because like when you take out any sort 762 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,280 of weight above a certain percentage, you've got a timer 763 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,960 going on. And like, once that timer's up, 764 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:44,120 whether you've done reps or not, you're not going to be able to 765 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,160 lock anything out. Yeah, and that's something that 766 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:51,320 I kind of get a little bit with. It's more of like a so I can 767 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,000 like maintain like a pretty solid like. 768 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,720 I don't have like a crazy arch, but I'm not like a pretty like. 769 00:42:55,720 --> 00:42:59,680 I have a pretty decent, like good arch to my bench and I've 770 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,640 started to notice more and more that like. 771 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080 It's almost getting more difficult to just get it down to 772 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,920 that last inch and 1/2 or so. It's almost like trying to touch 773 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,080 in a shirt, especially with how wide and like trying to keep my 774 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,640 lats tight and everything. And I mean, it's made a world of 775 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,720 difference in terms of my pressing ability. 776 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:19,720 But, like, I get up from the bench and my head's purple and I 777 00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,560 feel like I'm going to pass out rather than, Oh, my chest is 778 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,000 sore. Yeah, it's there's something to 779 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,160 be said about being able to manage all the blood pressure 780 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,080 going to your face. Yeah, yeah. 781 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,840 And I mean, it's obviously a much different level and 782 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,120 equipped, like you see some of the and like the, the biggest 783 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,480 thing with Equipped is actually being able to deal with the 784 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:39,840 pressure. Obviously you have to learn the 785 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,320 suit and the shirt and all that shit. 786 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,640 But like half the time some people just won't get a lift 787 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,440 that they could definitely do because they blacked out at the 788 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,800 hole in the hole. Oh yeah, they couldn't get it to 789 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,800 their chest in time before passing out. 790 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,680 So yeah, I I guess like trying to compare pole vaulting with 791 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,240 high jumping. Like, it's two completely 792 00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:01,680 different things, yeah. Yeah, I guess kind of touching 793 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,080 on that a little bit, have you ever thought about getting into 794 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,160 gear or competing in gear? I don't have enough friends and 795 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:11,120 I got my eyes on on a couple goals in RAW before I even 796 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,280 consider doing it. I've I've had people just 797 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,680 sliding in my DMS for the past like five years. 798 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,200 Like before Jimmy started like his initial break once he hit 799 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:24,080 his first 1000 lbs on bench, like someone stood in my DMS. 800 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,120 Like hey you could do that. He's he's older than you. 801 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,360 You could do that now. And I'm like just play. 802 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:36,040 I don't have any friend any more friends I'm but yeah I've I've 803 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,280 only gotten in a shirt twice and the the last time that I did I 804 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,240 was 19. So that was eight years. 805 00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:50,440 Oh, I'm old, but at the time I could only bench 5:45 and I 806 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,320 couldn't touch 600 and I was like, what is going on? 807 00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,200 Do we need to add more weight? I've heard that work sometimes 808 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,840 and it's it's it's like trying to walk on a slack line. 809 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,280 It's it's weird, it's fun. I wish I could do more, but 810 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,320 like, I've got these goals already set out for me. 811 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,040 I've got too many plans in place. 812 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:09,280 Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of the same way. 813 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,480 Like I'm mostly around it a lot with being around with John and 814 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,440 like this past week and I went down to Hell Bent and Bridgeport 815 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,160 and like all those guys are just. 816 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,000 Piece and their gear. So I mean I'm, I'm getting a 817 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,040 little taste of it, but I kind of have my goals, my own and I'm 818 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,880 like, all right, I mean I don't know what it's going to take or 819 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,880 how long it's going to take, but I really want a total 2000 raw, 820 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,000 whether it's at 242 or 275, that's kind of the where I want 821 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,400 to stay. I don't think I want to get any 822 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,240 bigger than that. But yeah, I think I definitely, 823 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,240 and I also want to start using it as like a training tool to 824 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:43,640 like overload, whether it's just a pair of briefs and a single 825 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,440 ply shirt, just. I think anyone can benefit from 826 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,080 being able to overload the CNS, kind of just like how any 827 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,040 equipped guy benefits from training RAW. 828 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,120 Kind of goes both ways, Yep. So I guess before we kind of 829 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,080 wrap things up, I know recently you I saw something on your 830 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,320 story about a little e-book that you wrote. 831 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,480 You want to kind of explain what that is and what what kind of 832 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:11,800 inspired you to do that. So the e-book, basically it's 833 00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:20,280 way too long. So the way that I program my 834 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640 clients, when I program them, it's it's based on my 835 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,360 experiences and the experiences of people who've taught me. 836 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,600 So I didn't feel right writing an e-book unless I'm like, hey, 837 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,120 here's the context is of everything that I know. 838 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,920 And so I I went through like the the, the the original programs 839 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,280 like 531 block periodization where that came into play. 840 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:48,560 I also went into 1020 Life Juggernaut, 5th set and the Cube 841 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:53,480 method trying to basically give context without like I've got a 842 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,920 lot of lines in there that are like, hey, if you want a full 843 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,120 program by their ebook, I don't want to step on their toes or 844 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,120 anything because like powerlifting is is for everybody 845 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,640 like everything you want can powerlift and it's it's really 846 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,680 fun and it's really fulfilling. So I wanted to like basically 847 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,360 give it not anthological or like powerlifting one O 1 before I go 848 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,800 into like what I program for my clients. 849 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,720 And then like where the the the future of programming is going 850 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:24,760 with the stuff that I don't completely understand yet but 851 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:31,160 it's it's it's 77 pages long with no graphics so far which is 852 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,600 long for an ebook. But my my old coach was like you 853 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,080 should write an e-book didn't give me any instruction. 854 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,320 And Joe, my current coach Joe Sullivan was like you need to 855 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,000 write an e-book. You've got these like out of box 856 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,960 ideas like put them on paper and you will understand how things 857 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,000 work a little better. It's it's almost like doing 858 00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,160 math. Like, you can do math in your 859 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,120 head, but like once you write it down, you understand things a 860 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:02,200 lot more, a lot better to be grammatically correct that it's 861 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:10,280 like basically it's a training. It's basically powerlifting 862 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:14,880 one-on-one with the SAT program that I've given my clients 863 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,320 before. Yeah, that's awesome. 864 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,960 And I think this actually transitions perfectly into my 865 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,800 final question of the episode. If you could give a power 866 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,240 lifter, a new power lifter going into his first meet, a piece of 867 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,760 advice, what would it be? Just have fun. 868 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,280 Like like you, you shouldn't have a lot of weight on your 869 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,880 shoulders going into your first meet. 870 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,000 You just get get a good squat, get into your meet, get a good 871 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,160 bench, make sure you're still in the meet, make sure you get a 872 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,120 good deadlift because all the numbers that you're going to 873 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,800 have progressing forward, your second meet, your third meet, 874 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,720 everything. All your training numbers are 875 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,160 going to be based off of what you hit in that first meet. 876 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,120 So it's almost like everyone starts somewhere. 877 00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,160 This is your starting point. Go try as hard as you can to go 878 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,120 9 for 9. It might not go to plan. 879 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:07,280 That's OK, just start somewhere and that'll be your diving board 880 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,400 to jump off of to get some gains. 881 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,720 That's awesome. Well, I wanted to thank you for 882 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,280 coming on and taking the time out of your day to join me. 883 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,120 If you have anything you want to plug or you want to let them 884 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,240 know where they can find you on Instagram, that would be great. 885 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,640 My Instagram is full primal power underscores in between 886 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,000 each word. My equipment sponsor, Move 887 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,280 Weight, is currently having a Black Friday sale. 888 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,600 I believe it's 25% off. Find them on Instagram at Move 889 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,680 WT. I think that's it. 890 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880 Awesome. Thank you very much anytime. 891 00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,200 Thanks for having me. No problem.