1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Grab your pre workout and turn up that volume. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,040 It is time for a new episode of The Power Lifters Den with your 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,440 host Cam Smith. Hello everybody. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,880 Welcome back to another episode of the Power Lifters Den. 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,840 I'm your host Cam Smith and today I wanted to bring on a 6 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,160 2000 LB Raw totaler at the 242 weight class. 7 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:19,560 Bobby want you to introduce yourself all. 8 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,080 Right. My name is Bobby Hume and I 9 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,840 trained out of Hell Bent Barbell in Bridgeport, CT. 10 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,040 Awesome. So I guess to start off, maybe 11 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,880 what kind of got you into powerlifting? 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,520 I know on open powerlifting, I'm not sure if I read this right or 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,680 if they just didn't have it updated, but looks like you 14 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:38,800 didn't start competing until you were about 30. 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:41,760 So I just wanted to hear more about your background. 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:50,360 So originally a girl that I trained well, we kind of, we 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,680 were both doing personal training. 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,920 And it's a girl that like we always bounced ideas off each 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:55,960 other. She messaged me one day and 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:57,720 she's like, hey, I'm doing a powerlifting meet. 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,440 I know it's not your thing. I was always like anti 22 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,880 powerlifting because what from what I knew about powerlifting 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,720 was just the big belly guys I was always into like being in 24 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:10,000 shape and being athletic. So that's what I saw. 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,600 So she messaged me and she's like, hey, I need a training 26 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,400 partner. I'm eight weeks out for my first 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,680 meet. I'm just looking for someone to 28 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,120 do it with or at least train with. 29 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:21,400 I said, you know what, just sign me up, Let's do it. 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,520 I knew nothing about it. I didn't train any differently. 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,840 Like I didn't train how you and I would train now. 32 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,520 Anything. No conjugate? 33 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,560 No. You know, there's nothing. 34 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:32,960 I guess 531 was the closest to what I was doing. 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,040 So we trained for eight weeks and we jumped in some random 36 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,960 local meet and we knew nothing about it. 37 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:42,640 We had some fun. And then like to me that I 38 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,360 thought that was it, You know, I had some fun, but I still had no 39 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,000 interest in it. And then fucking, you know, 40 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,360 Skiba harassed me for about, you know, two years on social media. 41 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,160 Kept saying, dude, you need to get into this. 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,080 You don't understand. You know, he saw potential there 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,280 and he just kept harassing me. And. 44 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,640 And one day I went down to hell, bent its original location. 45 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Met up with him. We were benching together. 46 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,080 We both benched like 3-15. Then we were about to go up. 47 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,680 He throws on this shirt. Now. 48 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,120 I I never, I knew nothing about multiply. 49 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,280 Now at this point I'm probably 31 or something and I've never 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,160 seen multiply in my life. Dude throws on a shirt benches 51 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,320 like 550, and I'm like, what the fuck is happening? 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:26,400 You know what I mean? Like, and at the time, I'm just 53 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,600 like still like, trying to be Mr. Fitness. 54 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Like, I cared more about ABS than anything else. 55 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,040 You know what I mean? And he throws that on And then 56 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,840 and then his boy comes in with a bag full of double cheeseburgers 57 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,200 and he's just handed them out to everyone. 58 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,280 So I'm just like, at that time in my life, I was like, this is 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,040 fucked up. Like, this is, this is not what 60 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,840 I'm into. So I like disappeared for like a 61 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,640 year or so. And then after harassing me 62 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:53,280 forever, he was like come down, do this push pull and just see 63 00:02:53,640 --> 00:02:56,400 what's up. I went to a push pull that he he 64 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,640 ran. That was like an unsanction. 65 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:00,160 It was more like a cookout thing, real cool thing. 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,960 And I ended up doing well. At the push pull, I met his 67 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:10,280 father and then this guy also on Jay Picarillo who who runs the 68 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,120 CT Powerlifting Hall of Fame. And they were both there and 69 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:14,400 they were like, you know, who the hell are you? 70 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,000 And I was like, what do you mean? 71 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:17,840 He's like, they're like, you don't power lift And I'm like, 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:18,880 no. And they're like, you're 73 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:20,640 starting Monday. It was like a Saturday. 74 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,560 And and Mike's father, Skip was like, you're starting Monday. 75 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:24,840 I don't care if I have to pay for it. 76 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,440 And then that was like, that was just about three years ago. 77 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:34,400 That was 33 summers ago. So August of 2020 it was. 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,240 And that's when I really. That's when I started, like 79 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,760 actually powerlifting. Yeah. 80 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,360 And so when you started pilot, like I know you train clients as 81 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,560 well you do, you have your own personal training business if 82 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,520 that's something that you were doing beforehand, like were you 83 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,200 coaching any athletes for competing or are you just doing 84 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:55,640 like Gen. Pop relative fitness? 85 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,880 Not competing powerlifting wise. I had a lot of athletes. 86 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:05,080 As far as athletics go, like sports go, I I trained. 87 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,160 I was the strength and conditioning coach at West Haven 88 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,080 High School where I live, and I also had, you know, some high 89 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,640 school athletes, college athletes, stuff like that. 90 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,640 And then your normal Gen. Pop and like, you know, weight 91 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,959 loss clients, stuff like that. You know what I mean? 92 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,440 And then you know, after maybe two years of being in the 93 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,400 powerlifting scene on and off and then you know, getting 94 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,080 familiar with with Mike and learning from them and then 95 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,680 getting Westside certified and all that, then I started 96 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,520 probably two years ago really taking on powerlifting clients. 97 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,880 Yeah. So I guess one of my big 98 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,440 questions for you, I think I saw this on one of your story posts. 99 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:48,240 It was kind of like, why do you hang around, multiply guys but 100 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,920 compete raw all. Right. 101 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,680 So I never thought, and this has now changed, but I never thought 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,600 I would go multiply. I do see it coming in the 103 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,760 future. It's inevitable because I I like 104 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,600 the camaraderie of it. I like the team atmosphere. 105 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,000 I was a baseball and basketball player growing up all the way 106 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,440 to, you know, college. I was supposed to be, you know, 107 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,480 a baseball player in college, but I ended up dropping out. 108 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,040 But you know, I was always a team sport guy. 109 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,360 I love the team atmosphere. I love energy. 110 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,040 You've been to hell bent. You've seen the energy there. 111 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,400 You know it's like meet day every Sunday. 112 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:33,440 So, So you know, even though I train alone in a sense, you 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,040 know, being around those guys and seeing them, seeing, seeing 114 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,680 you guys coming and and and ten guys are in one monolith, like, 115 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,200 that shit is sick to me. You know what I mean? 116 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,800 Everyone's spotting and loading and helping, you know what I 117 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,320 mean? And you've seen it too, even 118 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,880 though you're a raw guy. Like it's inevitable at some 119 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,800 point you want to join into that, even just even just have 120 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,640 some fun, you know what I mean? I'm looking forward to I start 121 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,880 Meet Prep Monday, but I'm already looking forward to the 122 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,480 end of it, just so I can like jump in a random variation and 123 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,160 just be with everybody. You know what I mean? 124 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:06,000 So I just like that that team camaraderie, I've handled Mike 125 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,160 and a bunch of other multiply guys at at a lot of meets and 126 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,160 you see the same people and and everybody's pushing for 127 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,880 everybody. Even though it's a competition, 128 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,520 it's like, oh, you need briefs here, you need raps here, you 129 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,680 need everyone's friends, everyone's cool. 130 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,680 And then in the raw world it's it's kind of like you know, 131 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,800 knuckled up dog eat dog, you know, shady shit. 132 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:29,640 And it's, it's, it's like a soap opera, you know? 133 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,800 And now it's become kind of like WWE, like the online personas 134 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,440 are kind of. Corny to me and you know. 135 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Yeah, for sure. I mean, like I said, I I'd 136 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,480 compete raw, obviously. But I I associate like most of 137 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,880 my training partners and people that I train with are equipped 138 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,360 people. And any of the people that I do 139 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,000 train with that are raw, that like talk shit on multiply. 140 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,800 I'm like, you just aren't around it. 141 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,880 You don't understand how more connected it is, how much more 142 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,680 shit you have to go through to like, be a part of it, and how 143 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,160 much you have to rely on others. That's what I mean. 144 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,520 The people, you just watch people pay their dues and and 145 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,840 the pecking order it comes in. You know, we get young guys in 146 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,880 there and Mike's like this is what you do. 147 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,640 You're going to come in, you're going to spot, you're going to 148 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,160 load, you're going to shut up, you're going to listen, you're 149 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,400 going to learn and everything flows. 150 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,720 And and you know from guys that have been in the game 30 years 151 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 to guys that have just been in the game, everyone's on the same 152 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,480 page, everyone's helping everybody. 153 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,360 It's just that the atmosphere and the camaraderie, and it is 154 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,040 so much better. You know, raw people tend to, 155 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,880 for the most part you know, stay to themselves and I'd much 156 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,720 rather lift with a group of guys and and and you don't have fun 157 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,320 with it, not just being there, you know, treating it like a job 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,360 all the time. Yeah. 159 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,880 So where do you, where do you think that whole like separation 160 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,520 come from? Do you think it's the the 161 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,720 reliance on multiply guys to need each other or just the kind 162 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,720 of I guess increase in like social media of raw lifting and 163 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,320 kind of just people doing that whole lone wolf bullshit? 164 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,240 Yeah. I mean, I've talked about this 165 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,440 before. I think it's a little bit of 166 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,440 both, you know, multiply, you obviously need help. 167 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,880 So, so they're going to have, they're forced in a way to 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,640 develop some sort of team, you know. 169 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,480 But at the same time, I don't think social media helps because 170 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,000 like you said, everyone's, you know, their version of 171 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,440 motivational post is I'm doing this shit by myself, for myself. 172 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:28,560 And I don't need nobody. And and it's really, you know, I 173 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,680 get what people are saying when they're in that mode. 174 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,799 Like I understand the whole like you versus you and this and 175 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,559 that. But I've always been the type, I 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,520 think because I was an athlete, if you want to get better, you 177 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,600 got to play better, you got to play against better, You know, 178 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,720 you want to be the best, you got to beat the best. 179 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,160 I I don't want the the whole reason I got to where I am is 180 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,640 even when I just started lifting, one of my friends was 181 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:58,840 just like a local, like in my town, like legend as far as 182 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,000 lifting goes. So I was like, I'm going to lift 183 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,640 with this dude and I'm going to chase him every day. 184 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,360 And I get buried by 200 fucking pounds every fucking day, you 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,160 know what I mean? He'd beat me in every variation 186 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,400 no matter what, but eventually I just chipped away, chipped away, 187 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,680 chipped away. I'm always looking for somebody 188 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,400 better to lift with so I can learn from them and try to keep 189 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,640 up, you know what I mean? My first day at Hell Bent, I 190 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,560 walk in, I'm nervous. Mike's like, you're going to 191 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:28,000 squat with this dude over here. So I'm looking at like, what's 192 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,760 his name? And he's like, oh, Chris Della 5 193 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:32,560 And I'm like, I don't know nothing about him. 194 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:34,840 Come to find out, he's like the best multiply lifter in the 195 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,360 fucking world. So now I'm I'm squatting with 196 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,120 him against bands and I end up with like 550 on the bar against 197 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,640 bands, and then he puts 1000 on the bar and I'm like, what the 198 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,040 fuck is going on, you know? What I mean? 199 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,360 Super humbling. But then for the next six 200 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,760 months, it was me, him and Mike in the mono every Sunday. 201 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,440 And my goal was just to get a little bit closer to them every 202 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,880 fucking week. Even if I was wrong, You know 203 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,920 what I mean? And not use that as an excuse 204 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:01,920 and not be like, oh, it's because you have briefed. 205 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,320 Oh, you could. It's just no. 206 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,440 I'm just doing my best to keep up and learn. 207 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,960 You know what I mean? And I think, I think we can, We 208 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,960 can both learn from each other. As far as multiply and raw go, 209 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,480 there's there's things that we could pass to each other. 210 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,560 And I've never taken anybody I've come across in powerlifting 211 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,920 for granted, whether they've been in the game one day or 100 212 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,720 years, you know, I I feel like everybody can learn from 213 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,200 everyone a little bit. And I think that's kind of 214 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,680 what's pushed me along because I know how to just kind of shut up 215 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:32,960 and listen. I like to learn. 216 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,200 I learn every fucking day, you know, And I just, I don't think 217 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,160 a lot of raw guys for whatever reason, going back to what you 218 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,560 said, for whatever reason, they they already think they have it 219 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:46,840 all figured out. So that's kind of the reason 220 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,320 I've sat with a lot of people and they asked for tips and then 221 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,720 when you give them to them, they don't want it to, you know, if 222 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,640 it's not, if it's against what they believe in, they don't want 223 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,080 to hear it. I mean, I mean, I've learned, 224 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,840 like you said, I've learned so much from Rupo and like anyone 225 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:01,920 in the multiply game that there's just so many small 226 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,160 things. And especially with multiply, 227 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,840 when you have to be so like detail oriented and intricate, 228 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,440 they pick up on things that you might not ever notice raw 229 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,560 because you're just lifting the weight. 230 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,840 For sure, For sure. I mean, and raw, I talked about 231 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,680 this the other day with someone there. 232 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:20,040 There's a There's a time you know where you can muscle 233 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:21,400 weights up. You know what I mean? 234 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,680 And in multiply, you can't really do that. 235 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,280 You have a very much smaller margin for error. 236 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,680 So what I was saying is like the intricacies inside multiply raw 237 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:34,240 lifters don't understand. There's just a small margin for 238 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,440 error that they have, you know what I mean? 239 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,920 So I think there's plenty of raw guys I've talked to that think, 240 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,920 oh, we'll just throw these things on and we'll add £300 to 241 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,960 each lift. And it's just, it's not like 242 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,320 that, man, because I've put on a bench shirt once, I've put on 243 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,160 briefs. Once I put on briefs and 244 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,400 squatted the same thing, I squat raw, you know what I mean? 245 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,600 So I wish it was as easy as people think it is, but it's 246 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:57,760 it's it's very different and it's a different sport. 247 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,440 You know what I mean? But I think, I think more people 248 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,680 have to appreciate what it is. So that's why I tend to 249 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,000 gravitate towards that. I'm I'm intrigued by it now and 250 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,920 I just, I I love that whole team aspect, you know what I mean? 251 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,080 For me, I don't know if someone told me this or I came up with 252 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:17,920 it on my own, but I I say like raw versus multiply is like prod 253 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,040 jump versus pole vaulting. Like it's it's still a jumping 254 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,240 sport, but you're using a tool for one. 255 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,320 Obviously you're not going to compare someone's prod jump to 256 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:28,360 someone's pole vault because obviously the pole vault is 257 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,280 going to be higher, but that's why you're not competing against 258 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,640 that person. Yeah, that's a good point. 259 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:33,960 That's a good point. I like that. 260 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,160 But more to you, I guess. You said you're starting prep 261 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:38,600 soon. What? 262 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,760 What do you got coming up? So I'm going to do the Ghost 263 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,040 Clash pro day April 7th down in Miami. 264 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,600 It's Ghost Clash 3, and that'll be my first meet since last 265 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,440 year's ghost class. So I think last year's was in 266 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,440 February, this one's April. So it's been a it's been a good 267 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,640 while. I was. 268 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,360 I was signed up for the American Pro this year, and I ended up 269 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:04,040 backing out because I just didn't feel like I had the time 270 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:08,880 to dedicate myself to a prep the way I'd like to because I coach 271 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,360 high school baseball and stuff. So I was in high school baseball 272 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,120 season and I just knew I couldn't give it. 273 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Like, I I want to bring the best product I can to the platform. 274 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,840 I don't want to go and say, yeah, I did it just to do it, 275 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,560 you know what I mean? So I knew I didn't have it might 276 00:13:23,560 --> 00:13:26,200 kind of, you know, started talking to me about it and was 277 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:28,560 like, look, you know, this is your hardest time of the year to 278 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,000 to be in here. So why don't we call that and 279 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:33,360 try to sign up for something different? 280 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,960 And then like a month after I backed out of that, Ghost Clash 281 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,440 came up. So here we are. 282 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,280 Yeah. So what are what are some of 283 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,520 your biggest goals for this meet? 284 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,760 Just PR anyway I can. You know what I mean? 285 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:49,880 I had AI, had a bad run. I hit two Ki went to the first 286 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,440 American pro. I bombed out. 287 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,840 I came back to Ghost. I hit 1943, I think it was or 288 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,920 1941. I don't, I don't know the kilo 289 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,120 conversion. So I I just want to go out there 290 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,800 and if I hit 2001, I'll be fucking happy. 291 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,400 You know what I mean? I think I'm. 292 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,960 I think I'm on track for for a big meet, but well, I'm at a 293 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,480 point now where I realize I I don't want to be so dead set on 294 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,680 numbers. I just want to, you know, go out 295 00:14:18,680 --> 00:14:20,480 there and and do better than the last time. 296 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,640 You know what I mean? I used to be so, so stuck on one 297 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,960 specific number that it fucked up a lot of meats. 298 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,600 It also fucked up a lot of training. 299 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,440 You know what I mean? I'd be so dead set on a number 300 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,360 going in that instead of taking a 5 LB PR I'd go till I missed. 301 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,640 And then next thing you know, your CNS is fried for a week and 302 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,640 then it fucks up a week of training and you know, so I'm 303 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,080 being a lot smarter this time around. 304 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Yeah, that's actually something I've been kind of going through 305 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,000 recently too, is like I'm approaching the four O 5 bench 306 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,440 and like a 700 squat. So every time I'm doing training 307 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,120 or like with any sort of AR, I'm like it's got to be over 400 on 308 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,880 the bar. It's got to be over 700 for 309 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,280 squat. And it just like you said, it's 310 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,040 it's making the jumps fucked up because I'm overshooting because 311 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,560 I hit, I don't know, hit 375 to the three board. 312 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,920 I'm like, all right, we're going to go for four O 5 instead of 313 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,040 taking 385 and then 395. South exactly. 314 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Exactly. And a couple people have told me 315 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:19,600 you know kid Andrew out of hell. Bent said to me like don't be 316 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,000 scared of a of a 5 LB plate. You know what I mean? 317 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,280 Not everything's quarters and and and plates quarter plate 318 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,160 quarter. We want it to be every jump to 319 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,760 be 1/4 or a plate. But he's like, you know, don't 320 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,400 be scared of that. And then and then, you know, I 321 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,760 got with Mike and and my coach, like, I consider Mike a coach 322 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,600 too from. He is a coach, obviously. 323 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:40,840 But I I use Ben Pauley. But Mike's like my second coach 324 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,840 and my handler and he's like, look, let's just focus on like 325 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,360 base hits. No more home runs. 326 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,480 Like, you know, let's, let's try to go a prep without missing. 327 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,720 Let's go back to your last prep or whatever time you hit that 328 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,600 last variation and let's just chip it or beat it by 5 lbs. 329 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,360 If you beat it by 5 lbs and it's like an RP7, then we might take 330 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,840 a second. But if I beat it by 5:00 and 331 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,160 it's a little grindy, I'm taking that win and I'm getting the 332 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,320 hell out of there. You know what I mean? 333 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,080 And then hopefully next time around I could go back and you 334 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,400 know, chip it again. But but I'm not, you know, 335 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,760 getting too greedy, you know. And also as we as we get older 336 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,520 and it then it takes longer to recover. 337 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:20,720 And I'm not very good at recovering to begin with because 338 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,720 I'm a terrible sleeper. But we got to take what we can 339 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,640 get and know how our body's going to react to it, especially 340 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,360 like a deadlift, right? Like a deadlift takes me fucking 341 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,320 forever to recover from. So. 342 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,160 So I I just take the small wins now and and hope for the best, 343 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,120 you know? For sure. 344 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,760 And I think taking a small wins is something that a lot of 345 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,240 people overlook because even if it's a 5 LB PR, you're still 346 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,280 making progress. So you got to, that's what I 347 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:47,880 mean, take the wins as they come. 348 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,520 For sure. And I I guess one of my big 349 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,240 questions for you as well as I for a 242, it's kind of rare to 350 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,520 see a £500 raw bench, if that's something that you've just 351 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,400 always been particularly good at or is there something that 352 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,920 you've been kind of using throughout your training that's 353 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:04,920 been like helping your bench out a lot? 354 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,040 So with that, I'd say a little bit of both. 355 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,359 I was always naturally a good bencher for whatever reason. 356 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,560 Like in high school I was a tiny, tiny kid and like my first 357 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,599 day ever benching, I think I benched 185 and everyone was 358 00:17:20,599 --> 00:17:22,119 like, what the? Like, I had big kids on my 359 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,319 baseball team that were like, you know, I've been trying to 360 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,119 hit that for a year and I didn't lift at all. 361 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,240 And I just went in and like, hit it. 362 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,480 So like I've I've kind of been naturally a good venture, but 363 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,640 then it's something that I've been like very meticulous with, 364 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,960 you know, you know, picking apart my form, trying to do 365 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,000 every little thing, technically speaking, to get an extra 5, an 366 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,520 extra 5. Because once you get to a 367 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:45,760 certain point, you know how it is. 368 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,080 It's it's easier to gain pounds from technique changes than it 369 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,480 is strength once you get to a certain. 370 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:53,440 Point. You know what I mean. 371 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,600 So you know. I think it's a mixture of both. 372 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,840 I'm naturally, for whatever whatever reason, very explosive 373 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,920 off my chest and that helped. And then I had to pick apart all 374 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,840 the lockout stuff. Every miss I had would be 375 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,280 halfway up or more. So like I can, I can probably 376 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,040 get 600 off my chest. But then, you know, it's about 377 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,720 locking it out. So I had to drill triceps. 378 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,480 I had to drill the high boards. I had to drill bands, you know, 379 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,400 to get through all those little plateaus that I kept hitting 380 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,000 because all my all my misses tended to be lockout. 381 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,040 Misses, You know what I mean? So. 382 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:38,000 Yeah, a mixture of both, but something that you know, as it 383 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,800 gets heavy, like you know how much like you said, how many 242 384 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,920 guys are hitting that? How much can that body take 385 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,040 before you have to make all these little adjustments because 386 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,800 you can't gain that much more strength on it specifically? 387 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:53,920 You know what I mean? Without gaining size and then 388 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:55,400 that pushes me out of a weight class. 389 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,120 You know what I mean? Like dudes are like, when are 390 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,320 you going to hit 600? I don't see myself ever hitting 391 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,000 a 600 bench at 2:42. You know what I mean? 392 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,280 I I just don't. I think only one person's ever 393 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,360 done it at that weight class. So I I just don't. 394 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:13,440 And especially my frame I I'm a leaner 242 compared to a lot of 395 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,200 the guys that I see and compete against. 396 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,680 You know, a lot of them tend to be shorter and very stocky, 397 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,680 short arms, you know what I mean? 398 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,280 And they're more built for the bench. 399 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,360 I'm not necessarily built like a lifter. 400 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,360 I've just, like, chipped away, you know? 401 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,880 For me, a lot of the things that have been working for my bench 402 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,120 recently is the three boards and the two boards and a lot of 403 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,760 bands and chains at the top. But a lot, a lot of the lockout 404 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,040 work because like you said, my my chest is strong like, but 405 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,520 right off the chest, like 6 inches off the chest is right 406 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,400 where I stall out. And and I mean those, those 407 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,360 little things are the things you can't take for granted and 408 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:51,760 sometimes you may not want to do it. 409 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,840 Like every day we want to look at our program and see straight 410 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,360 bar, straight weight to the chest. 411 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,680 But you know, you may have to do waves of three block 3 board, 412 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,760 two board, heavy band on the top. 413 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,920 I've been doing pin presses, which I fucking despise, but 414 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,400 they've worked. You know what I mean? 415 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,000 You know, pin press right at that. 416 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,320 Like if that 6 inch point is your where you die out, pin 417 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,040 press from there. You know what I mean? 418 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,800 It's going to be fucking miserable for a while, but you 419 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,960 will see a change, you know? And that's what this shit is all 420 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,760 about. I mean, people want that instant 421 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,720 gratification and they don't realize that the process is the 422 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,200 part. You know, I I get new clients 423 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,520 that want to put £100 on each lift every year and and maybe 424 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,280 they can in their first year or their first two years. 425 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,960 But then it's like, you know, I I I went 18 months without a 426 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,320 squat PR, you know what I mean? And then just recently I hit a 427 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,080 30 LB squat PR and it was like I thought a fucking miracle 428 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,320 happened, you know what I mean? So people don't understand how 429 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,160 hard it really is when you get to certain levels, whatever that 430 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,960 level may be. I'm not saying my level. 431 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,160 I'm just saying for each person they have a different, I don't 432 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,360 want to say ceiling, but they're your plateau points, let's call 433 00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:08,280 it, you know what I mean? And then you got to figure out 434 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,320 how the fuck you breakthrough it and you got to do whatever it. 435 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,360 But it might take a year to breakthrough, especially a bench 436 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,800 plateau. The bench moves the slowest. 437 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,880 So you know, it may, it may take forever to do that. 438 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:22,760 Like I don't, I don't know what happened, but my bench was at 439 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,280 like a plateau for like basically two years and I think 440 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,680 most of it was from football. Like I probably hurt my shoulder 441 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,480 at least twice a season and was gaining and losing 1520 lbs 442 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,360 every season. So that I think actually too. 443 00:21:35,360 --> 00:21:39,000 Another thing is the the body weight to like bench strength 444 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,800 correlation is insane. Like you lose like 3 lbs 445 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,400 overnight and like I swear to God your bench dropped 10 lbs. 446 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,840 £10 off? Yeah, 10 lbs. 447 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,680 Right off your bench. Oh, I always know. 448 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,920 I weigh in Friday's before I go to the gym and Friday night I 449 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,440 bench and I could tell you when I step on the scale if it's 450 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,320 going to be a good or bad night, you know what I mean? 451 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,200 And step one and I'm and I'm two 3 lbs under what I want to be. 452 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,320 I'm like, shit, it's going to be a grinder tonight, you know? 453 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,440 For sure. So what do you what do you 454 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,880 usually sit at in the? Offseason. 455 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Right now I'm 250 on the dot. I've been trying to get up to 456 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240 255. Two 50s where I've sat for my 457 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,880 last few meets. That's pretty much the heaviest 458 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:22,440 I've been once. Once I like refeed after weigh 459 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,560 insurance. I could get up to like 250-4255 460 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,360 for bed, but I float like a ton when I sleep. 461 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:31,360 Like I'll I'll wait. I'll go to bed 255 and wake up 462 00:22:31,360 --> 00:22:32,040 to 40. Eight. 463 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,080 You know what I mean? Like, I lose a lot. 464 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,360 I've. I've always been. 465 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,360 What do they call it? Like a hard gainer, I guess. 466 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,640 So I want to put 5-6 more pounds back on because I know the, the 467 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,840 240 twos, especially the ones that go to ghost, they walk 468 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,120 around 270 sometimes, you know what I mean? 469 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,120 Big, big boys. So I want to get another five, 6 470 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,480 lbs of like steady weight on me that stays and sticks. 471 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,240 But it's fucking tough. It's tough, man. 472 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,560 It's a full time job to eat the way I need to eat and I'm not. 473 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,560 I don't have a huge appetite like I'm. 474 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,680 I'm struggling just to maintain the 250, you know, If I have one 475 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,440 bad day where I'm busy running around and I'm not like diligent 476 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,720 with meals, I'll wake up tomorrow, 2:46, and then I'm 477 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,320 like, fuck man, I got it right back, you know? 478 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,200 I'm the exact same way. Like this is probably the first 479 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,520 offseason that I'm actually like above 242. 480 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Like before, I was chilling anywhere from 2:40 to 2:45, and 481 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,000 now I'm at like constantly sitting at like 252. 482 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,600 And I was like, just the strength gains alone just for 483 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,360 being that much heavier have been phenomenal. 484 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,560 Just by like fucking five, 6 lbs, right. 485 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,600 Yeah, I know. And that's. 486 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,160 And that's what's crazy. I mean, before last Ghost clash 487 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,560 or no, before the American Pro, I was like sitting at 240 all 488 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,240 the time and people were like, well, that's where the two 20s 489 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,120 sit at. So why don't you just cut down 490 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:02,360 to 220? But I didn't want to. 491 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,240 I've never made a cut bigger than like 8-9 pounds. 492 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,840 Yeah and and I never really wanted to because I know how 493 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,480 strenuous it is on the body and and you know if you don't hit it 494 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,560 just right and then re comp just right you can be weak as hell 495 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,720 that next day. But I'm at the point now and I 496 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,560 have enough, you know, good people with good education on 497 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,840 this stuff on my side where I can, I want to try to push it 498 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,600 and you know, the 255 or high 250 range and see what I can do 499 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,400 when I water cut and then refeed. 500 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,560 Yeah, so with the the upcoming meet, who are some of the the 501 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,960 competition that you'll be facing, some of the big names in 502 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:48,040 the 240 Twos? Oh man, 242. 503 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,320 They haven't released the official roster yet. 504 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,440 I'm not 100% sure. As far as the 240 twos go, I 505 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,520 know. Oh, what's that guy's name? 506 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,080 He had a good year last year. He's a Canadian lifter. 507 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,640 It'll come to me in a minute, but I know like Hussam is is in 508 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,240 retirement right now. He was a big 242 guy. 509 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,000 Carlos Reyes is competing in February locally. 510 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,440 So like, I know a good group of 242 is from last year. 511 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,600 I don't know if they're going or not. 512 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,120 I haven't talked to a lot of them yet. 513 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,160 I tend to the guys I talk to more out of my weight class for 514 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,760 whatever reason. There's no reason behind it. 515 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,280 It's just that's just what it is. 516 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,920 But like, I know, you know, hacks, obviously going to be 517 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,200 there doing his thing. I think he's going to go 220, 518 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,760 which would be interesting because he won't make the big 519 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,600 cut anymore. I think Chad Penson's doing it. 520 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,680 And Chad Pence, Penson mentioned 240 twos. 521 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,640 I don't know if he's going to go there yet, but I know he's tired 522 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,840 of cutting to 2:20, so he might be a 242 guy and at that point 523 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,400 he'd be a top dog. I don't know if Derek 524 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,880 thistleweight death grip Derek he might be doing it. 525 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,160 I I got to see the the roster before I could pick. 526 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,240 I just 242 is so stacked. I all those guys I named they 527 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,560 could all back out and it's still a stacked class you know 528 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,000 what I mean. I think, I think two 20s and 240 529 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200 twos raw is the best. Are the best classes in all of. 530 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,920 Powerlifting, I totally agree. I think just the the sheer 531 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,080 amount of strength that you can get at that size and still be 532 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,880 like a lean bodied freak is like because I was even down at 533 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,240 Baines Barbell Club. They just opened last year in 534 00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:42,240 Utica and there was some 240 twos there. 535 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,680 I'm like, fuck, I have to compete against these guys like. 536 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,520 I'm like, oh, that kid RJ Butcher. 537 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,040 Yeah, yeah, RJ and this other kid. 538 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,080 His last name was Stewart, but totaling like 21 hundred 2000 / 539 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,440 2000 RAW. It's just at that weight class 540 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,360 is just fucking insane. And the and the kid RJ Butcher 541 00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:03,480 looks like he could step on stage you know with an 8 week 542 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000 cut he could be a a bodybuilder and that's how a lot of these 543 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,760 guys. Carlos Reyes looks like that 544 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,920 Chad Penson looks like that hack. 545 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,080 You know what I mean? Like he's got these guys are 546 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:17,000 fucking yoked and shredded and Jason Legrand will be doing 547 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,040 Ghost at 2:42. That's a good that's a good 548 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,080 that's a good competition of mine. 549 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,080 I'm trying to get my good friend Ronnell Leftwich to do it but I 550 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,200 think he's doing something local in Georgia. 551 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:35,000 But he's he won 242 at the at the first American pro, he 552 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,440 totaled like 2111 or something. And he does and he doesn't go 553 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,600 spoken about enough in that in that class because he's not a 554 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,600 big social media guy. He's kind of quiet. 555 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,960 He's been he's been branding his social media a little bit 556 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,120 because now he's training people. 557 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,120 But he's not like a big persona in the game. 558 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:56,440 But he's quietly, you know, squats over 8, pulls over 8, 559 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,200 benches over 5, you know, and just just just quietly fucking 560 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,760 does it. And nobody talks about it. 561 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000 And I'm like, it's just crazy. Yeah. 562 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,400 So I guess that's a good little segue into becoming like a 563 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,040 powerlifting coach. So obviously there's a lot of, 564 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,760 like, for me personally, like I I do coach athletes and I I 565 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:21,200 don't have like the greatest total, but I am more surrounded 566 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,480 with people and take a lot of knowledge from the people I 567 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,480 learn. But I see some of these, like, 568 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,160 kids that are my age coaching people and I'm like, do I look 569 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,520 like this to them? Because it's fucking horrible to 570 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,280 watch. So I want to hear your opinion 571 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,280 on that. On on what I think of you, like 572 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,320 you coaching or just in general? Just just younger people 573 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,000 coaching and just people that aren't like, up there. 574 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,440 So, so my take. I've been open about my take, 575 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,240 but there's never enough time or space on like an Instagram story 576 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,960 to save my whole piece. So this is good. 577 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,400 You bought this up because I've made comments about like a big 578 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,040 total should be part of coaching and that that's not necessarily 579 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,040 all. I mean, but I think a big total 580 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,960 comes with a unless you're completely gifted like this kid 581 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:17,080 Trey, I train who he's only competed twice and he went 2000 582 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,960 and then 2100. He's a fucking freak. 583 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,520 You know what I mean? And he doesn't know anything 584 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,360 about powerlifting. And he'll be the first to tell 585 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,880 you he doesn't know shit. You know what I mean? 586 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,280 He loves bodybuilding. He wanted to be a bodybuilder. 587 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,400 And I met him and I said bro, you're a power lifter. 588 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040 Just give me. I said give me like 12 weeks to 589 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,600 work with you. If you don't like it, go back to 590 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,160 bodybuilding. And he's taken off since. 591 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,320 But aside from those flash in the pan. 592 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,440 Flash in the pan is a bad word. But aside from those freaks that 593 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,880 just pick it up right away I I even came up fast. 594 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:52,040 I guess you know what I mean. But but you these guys with the 595 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,640 big totals for the most part comes with years and years of. 596 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:55,840 Experience. You know what I mean. 597 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,800 And. I don't think there's anything 598 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,000 better to look for in a coach and powerlifting than 599 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,280 experience. And I I say that because, you 600 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200 know, there's there's a million guys with a lot of book 601 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,400 knowledge that are coming straight out of college and then 602 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,400 they want to tell you how 700 lbs should feel on your back. 603 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,200 And they've never felt 400 lbs on their back. 604 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,400 You know what I mean? And. 605 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,720 And it's or or. But even if 400 is their full or 606 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,240 complete Max let's say or like how we said, you know their 607 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,360 their plateau point, you know, they don't even know what it's 608 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,800 like to just have like an eye busting grinder of a lift. 609 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,360 You know what I mean? Like these guys are. 610 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,120 It's more than just book smarts, you know what I mean? 611 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,400 I've met some guys that never even finished high school that 612 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,200 can break down lifting like you wouldn't believe. 613 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,400 You know what I mean? Or didn't go to college for 614 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,040 that, for bio mechanics or sports medicine or whatever it 615 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,880 may be. And I think that these are 616 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:02,160 things that you pick up through just years and years of 617 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,120 experience. One of the best guys at breaking 618 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,240 down a lift I've ever seen is Chris Delafrov. 619 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,280 And then you look and he's been competing since he was 17 and 620 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960 now he's 35. You know what I mean? 621 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,120 That's just 18 years of hands on real experience and I don't 622 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520 think if there's any amount of books that can teach you that. 623 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,840 It definitely helps as a guide and as an aid, but also in books 624 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,120 you learn that everything's one way, right? 625 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,560 You know what I mean? And the more you do this shit 626 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,840 and and you'll learn it as you continue to coach and I've 627 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:36,400 learned it a million times, your opinions eventually change on 628 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,040 things and you learn that everybody's completely different 629 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,360 and everyone's leverages are different. 630 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,440 There's no one way to squat, one way to bench and and the book 631 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,480 guys will tell you that this is how you squat and if you don't 632 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,280 do it that way, it's wrong. You know what I mean? 633 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:56,920 So I I just think you know the experience in the sport. 634 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:58,880 It does not necessarily with age. 635 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,000 You can be 20 years old but if you've been to handled and 636 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,640 coached and competed in a 20 meets total that's good 637 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,720 experience. If you've been around it and you 638 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160 learn and you soak it up, there's some people that just go 639 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,400 to meets and just go to meets. But when I'm at a meet, I'm 640 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,320 soaking in everything. I'm watching how people are 641 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,120 wrapping knees. I'm wondering why they're doing 642 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,360 that. I'm asking questions. 643 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560 You know, I I've never worn gear besides, like the couple times I 644 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,360 tried it. But I've handled multiply guys 645 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,320 because every Friday and every Sunday, I'm next to Mike saying, 646 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,480 well, why do you do it this way? Why do you do this? 647 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,240 What are you doing here? Show me that. 648 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,400 Show me that. You know what I mean? 649 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,080 And that's just because I'm so eager to learn as much as I can, 650 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,480 because it'll help me both as a lifter and a coach and just a 651 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,160 training partner. You know what I mean like. 652 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,640 You know, when you come down, we shoot the shit. 653 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,920 You might teach me something, I might teach you something. 654 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,160 And that's just all experience stuff that books I don't think 655 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,560 could ever teach. You know what I mean? 656 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,000 And I think the the way Chris said it too is like nothing 657 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,640 beats time under the bar like just being like I So over the 658 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,240 course of this year now I've officially pretty much been a 659 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,480 handler, been a spotter, A loader, a judge. 660 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,520 So I've been around the sport a lot more and something I've 661 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:15,800 noticed like for the kids my age is, especially in USAPL, but 662 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,960 it's because collegiate in general. 663 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,120 That kind of was where collegiate athletes tend to go 664 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,280 towards. But I've noticed that all the 665 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,840 coaches around my age seem to just circle the same 666 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320 information. That doesn't get them anywhere. 667 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,200 Yeah. So. 668 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,520 Well, that's what you know. A lot of them are what I call 669 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,200 regurgitators. Yeah, they hear something and 670 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,960 then they spew it back and they spew it back. 671 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,680 And it even goes with cues, right? 672 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,640 And now cues. I laugh when I hear all these 673 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:48,520 cues I hear at meets because cues aren't A1 size fits all 674 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,640 thing either. You know what I mean? 675 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,440 You hear everyone yelling. Like you know when someone picks 676 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,080 up a deadlift, they're all yelling like glutes or whatever. 677 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,600 But you don't know if that person's weakness is their 678 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,080 glutes or if they're miss time. If they're miss timing their 679 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,680 lockout because of their glutes, you're just screaming a random 680 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760 cue. And and the best part, the 681 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,159 hardest part. I think about coaching and 682 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:13,199 cueing people just to find a cue that's going to stick with them. 683 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120 I could tell you a cue five different ways. 684 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,360 You're only going to get one, the best for you. 685 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,120 I might tell the next person that same cue and they don't 686 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,800 understand it. You know what I mean? 687 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,239 Some people you got to, you know, pinch your ass like you're 688 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,760 trying not to shit yourself. Might be the best cue they ever 689 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,960 heard. You know what I mean? 690 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,280 Other people need it more technically sound, and it's just 691 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,520 it's figuring out what each lifter needs, how each lifter 692 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,199 translates what you're saying and puts things into action. 693 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,040 You know what I mean? Yeah, and kind of going with 694 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,679 that too. I think I saw this on your 695 00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:53,880 story, the other two about like D loading, about how some of 696 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,920 these D loads are way too fucking heavy and you're like 697 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,080 why? Why are they getting programmed 698 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,040 such a Heavy D load when they're either in prep and they're D 699 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,280 loading through prep or they're in the offseason, They're not 700 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800 taking a proper rest to actually peak? 701 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:16,200 Well that's that's what I'll never understand like and I I 702 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,400 won't call anyone out by name because I don't want to, you 703 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,920 know, it's not a beef thing or anything. 704 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,000 But like I saw a lifter and if he hears this he might under he 705 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,880 might see no, it's about him. But I saw a guy the other day 706 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,560 take a deadlift and it was very, very grindy and he wrote like 707 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,440 deload deadlift on it and it looks like ARP 9. 708 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,400 And I'm not kidding. And then I looked up his best 709 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,840 deadlift and then I did the math and it was like 87%. 710 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,280 And what in what world are we taking 87% as AD load? 711 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,760 Some people I know open around 8788% as our opening lift. 712 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,600 You know what I mean? Depending on what their 713 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,520 philosophy is on 2nd and 3rd attempts, someone usually people 714 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:01,240 open between like 8788 and 93% and then they push from there. 715 00:36:01,720 --> 00:36:02,680 You know what? I mean it. 716 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:05,360 And I'm just like that. I'm looking at my plan and like 717 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,360 my D load is like 200 hamstring curls against the band. 718 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:15,760 You know, 200 quad extensions with 25 lbs, four sets of 20 719 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,280 incline dumbbells with. 50s You know what I mean? 720 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,800 Like. Just blood flow and active 721 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,640 recovery. Work. 722 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,920 You know what I mean? And you got these dudes doing 723 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,960 SPD days with 7580% as their D load, and then they're wondering 724 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,480 why they're not seeing the progress. 725 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,320 And it's like because you didn't really take a week off that that 726 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,080 wasn't even recovery work, MM Skiba posted the other day. 727 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,760 He wouldn't program anything over 65% for a deal, you know 728 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,240 what I mean? I'd go even lower than that, 729 00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,280 probably. I would say, yeah, that's 60. 730 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,280 Five would be probably the actual absolute Max, but I 731 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480 don't. When I deload my clients, I 732 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,800 don't give them any barbell work. 733 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,080 I don't want them touching a barbell that whole week. 734 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,360 It's bands. It's dumbbells. 735 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,440 You know, I If you're going to squat, it's going to be like a 736 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,680 goblet squat. If you're going to bench, it's 737 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,120 going to be like an incline, dumbbell, or you know, flat, 738 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,480 flat flies, something like that. You know what I mean? 739 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,280 PEC deck. And then you don't pull at all. 740 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,040 If you do anything in that motion, it's going to be like 741 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:24,000 light RDLS or you know, belt, squat hinges, something like 742 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,600 that. Like I'm not having anyone touch 743 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,480 a barbell on their deloading. Yeah, I usually do the same 744 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,320 thing, and I know some people if they do, it's like 50% like you 745 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,320 should not be. You should barely be breaking a 746 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,560 sweat. Like it should be like your 747 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,120 third warm up set if you were going to Max out that day like. 748 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,880 And and not only that, these guys that are doing these Heavy 749 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,560 D loads are the same ones that are doing SBD days, so they 750 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,800 should be less apartment to touch on a barbell. 751 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,560 You've done all, you've done all three lifts 3-4 times this week, 752 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,080 and now next week for your D load, you're still doing the 753 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,880 three movements. You're not really D loading. 754 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,640 Even if he took 70 or 60%, that's still not really 755 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,240 deloading because you should be getting away from the movement 756 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,000 completely. Yeah, like the meat and potatoes 757 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,200 of the movement, you know what I mean? 758 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,000 So I guess kind of more into not necessarily accessories but 759 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,640 different variations. What are some of your favorite 760 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,800 like specialty bars or like? Do you like bands or chains more 761 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,680 or what do you hate? All right, let me think about 762 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,000 this for a second. So we were laughing because I'm 763 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,600 like when it comes to powerlifting, I'm built like 764 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,240 backwards, like I'm what everybody doesn't like to do. 765 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:38,200 I love squatting with the SSB. Like like if I could make a 766 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:44,600 federation, I would compete SSB squat Buffalo bar bench and and 767 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,680 a stiff bar deadlift and everyone's like, what the fuck 768 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,080 is wrong with you? But like my Buffalo bench is 769 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,240 actually my Max is higher with the Buffalo bar than a straight 770 00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:54,960 bar. Something about that deep 771 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,760 stretch I get more like, I don't know more give more stretch and 772 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,840 more pushback from it. But I like, I like Ari, like 773 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,200 chains. I like bands. 774 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:15,560 I prefer chains with squats. I probably prefer bands with 775 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,160 bench and deadlift. I I've never really. 776 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,680 I've only probably deadlifted against chains like three or 777 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,880 four times. I've used bands a lot though but 778 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,920 bands beat me the hell up with deadlifts. 779 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,640 But but they work. You know what I mean? 780 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,160 That's I've I've again just like my bench. 781 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,680 I'm very fast off the floor and I miss that lockout. 782 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,520 So that band work is is a necessity for me. 783 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,240 You know what I mean? That top end overload. 784 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,640 What? What do I hate? 785 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:48,760 I hate the camber bar. I hate benching with the multi 786 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,960 grip bar. The football bar, I hate 787 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,200 nothing. I I like all the pole variations 788 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,080 you do. Basically. 789 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,320 I I don't have any problem with any pole variations. 790 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,960 I mean I suck off of like blocks and I think, I think for the 791 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,520 most part, conventional people do. 792 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,520 You know what I mean? Blocks is great for sumo 793 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,160 pullers. They get to swing their Dick a 794 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,920 little bit but but conventional, I suck. 795 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,360 But yeah, I I I hate benching with the football bar. 796 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,080 I've grown to like benching with the axle bar a little bit more, 797 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,720 but I still don't like it that much. 798 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,160 But I hate camber bar squat, and that's about it. 799 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560 I hate front squats. I don't think there's carryover 800 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,080 for power lifters. That's just my opinion though. 801 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,720 And I hate pause deadlifts and I've posted about this many 802 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,200 times. I don't. 803 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,640 I don't see a point. I I see what they're trying to 804 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,240 do. But as a lifter that that wants 805 00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:50,800 to control speed and be fast and explosive, I don't want to be 806 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,680 slowed down because then it just puts it just it trains me. 807 00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:55,760 It gives me the habit of getting in a bad position. 808 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,880 Yeah. So my my counterpoint to that 809 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:02,760 would be in terms of what about using it As for a sumo lifter 810 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,360 for the just breaking the floor and then going as like a wedge 811 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,240 as a way to practice their wedge. 812 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,400 Yeah, I guess. I guess that's more that's more 813 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,360 specific and that's you know what I never really thought 814 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,440 about it but I don't see as much of a problem with sumo pulling 815 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,880 and pausing. It's more a conventional thing 816 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,760 because sumo, you have to train. You have to train patients to 817 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,840 begin with and that and that's why I struggle so much. 818 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,360 When I was trying to train sumo, I was so used to being fast and 819 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,280 explosive. And then you took that away from 820 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,400 me and I'm like, Oh no, I don't got it. 821 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,080 And Mike's like it was it was leaving the floor. 822 00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,200 You just have to give it time. And I'm like, no, no, I didn't 823 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,000 have it. You know what I mean? 824 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,760 Like I want all my lifts to be a Max of one second. 825 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,640 And if they're not, I'm, I'm, I'm out of there. 826 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,600 My coach was making fun of me for that because I had AI had a 827 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,720 lift Sunday. I squatted with reverse bands 828 00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,200 and he told me to only work up to 725 and cut it. 829 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,920 And then I went into AD load this week. 830 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,760 I hit it and it looking back now, it was it was fine. 831 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,720 The lift was completely fine, but it wasn't as fast as I 832 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,520 thought it should be. And he's like dude, like he made 833 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,480 a post and he's like if Bobby doesn't if Bobby's lifts don't 834 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,880 move like a speed Rep, he's suicidal the next day. 835 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,800 You know what I mean? It's like I'm so used to just 836 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,360 every like I need everything to be like, so like if I have a 837 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,680 grindy lift, that's three seconds let's say to me it feels 838 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,440 like 12 seconds. I watch the video that, you know 839 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,000 what I mean. Like, it just feels, you know 840 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,760 how time slows down when you're under the bar. 841 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,160 You can have a whole conversation with yourself, you 842 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,760 know, so it feels like an eternity under the bar. 843 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,400 And then I'm like, damn, I can't. 844 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,400 I can't handle another jump. Yeah, and I noticed that 845 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,840 especially when you're doing movements with heavier AR, it's 846 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,200 like, it's so if you have like an RP, say your goal is RP8 that 847 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,080 day you'll hit something nobody do that felt like a fucking 848 00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,680 nine. And then you'll watch it and 849 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,760 it'll be like, that could have been a 5. 850 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,960 It's better, but it's so like to say you're using bands on a 851 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,680 squat, like it feels fucking 10 times heavier at the top, so. 852 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:08,760 Oh yeah. I'm like, This is why you need 853 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,880 to record your shit, but not everyone needs to just record to 854 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,160 get an Instagram video. It's a. 855 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:18,480 Lot of the recording should be done to analyze, you know what I 856 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,120 mean? But it's funny you said that, 857 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,640 because also what I noticed with with AR is that that window from 858 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,920 like A7 to A10 comes a lot. It's a lot closer. 859 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,520 Like you may hit a lift at like an RP6 or seven, you'll be like, 860 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,680 all right, I'll jump up like 25 lbs and then next thing you know 861 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,120 you're out of 10. It's like, holy shit like that 862 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:43,040 AR gets heavy fast. Especially with bands, dude. 863 00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,840 Yeah, it's like it almost like there's a certain weight 864 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,960 threshold that all of a sudden it's like, all right, this AR 865 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,360 turning on, you know what I mean? 866 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,560 Like it's not on until it hits a certain amount. 867 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,800 For sure, yeah. So you said you don't like the 868 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,000 camera bar, but you like the SSB. 869 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,600 That's like the complete opposite of me. 870 00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,960 I I I think the Rackable Camry bar. 871 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,840 I think I like that bar better than a straight bar for squats. 872 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:10,320 Like really? I don't know. 873 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,400 Something about it just feels so natural. 874 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,920 But the SSB can go fucking die in a hole. 875 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,600 I think I just like the SSB because I'm good at it. 876 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,760 I mean it's it's miserable but like you know I see guys lose, 877 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:27,280 you know, Mike said, you know I lose about 100 to 200 lbs when I 878 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,680 use the SSBI took a wrapped, I took a wrapped SSB squad and hit 879 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:36,120 like 735 when my when my straight bar squat was 755. 880 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:38,920 You know what I mean? Which doesn't make sense, but I 881 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,400 I guess you know just that leverage for me maybe that upper 882 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,040 back, you know I I tend to cave and I think with the SSB you can 883 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,000 push against it with the back and here with a straight bar if 884 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,480 you cave, you cave. You know what I mean? 885 00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,400 So like, I think it just works for the way I squat. 886 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,360 It's just beneficial to me. And then I always see a huge 887 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,800 carryover in my pole when I do a big SSB wave. 888 00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:07,320 So I just, I think I like it more for the the benefits for me 889 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,760 personally than actually the motion of squatting with it. 890 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,960 You know what I mean? Yeah, so I because Kirby, I have 891 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,040 Kirby Goodrich as my coach and he this is like a running joke 892 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,000 that any time he programs SSB, I'm like, dude, I'm going to 893 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,800 fucking. Yeah, I see. 894 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,320 I see the memes. I'm like, I'm so sick of this, 895 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,240 but it's working. And like I've gotten much better 896 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:29,160 at it because my weak point is my upper back. 897 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,120 And like any time I miss a squat or anything, it's because my 898 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,520 back is. So I could see the application 899 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,000 for it. But I'm so fucking sick of that 900 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,520 bar. You see, you will see carryover. 901 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,120 It's just going to be miserable wave of drilling that bar, you 902 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:44,920 know what I mean? Yeah. 903 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,160 But I'm I'm excited to get in the prep. 904 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,480 I'm competing in April, so I'm hoping again try to aim towards 905 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:56,240 1700, trying to cross that mark and I think depending if I cross 906 00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,760 1700, not the the meet later in the year that I'm going to do is 907 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,200 either going to be single ply or sleeves. 908 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,280 So we'll see. We'll see where it goes from 909 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,480 there. So you're going, you're going 910 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,360 wraps in April. Yeah, Nice, nice. 911 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960 See. And that's in 1700s of still a 912 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,760 big total. I think that's where people get 913 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,640 messed up now because they see these 2000 LB totals and stuff. 914 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,960 But I made a post about it a week or two ago. 915 00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,480 You know, there's been a lot more than maybe five years ago 916 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,400 or 10 years ago when 2000 was like the Holy Grail or whatever. 917 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,760 But they're still you know, so I I looked it up. 918 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,480 There's like 400 and something thousand people on open 919 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,200 powerlifting and they're still under 1002 thousand pound 920 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,800 totals, you know what I mean? So 17 and 1800s still. 921 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,840 I know a lot of good lifters that are in that range that I 922 00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,200 consider good lifters. So that's nothing that, you 923 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:45,680 know, sneeze at. And I don't. 924 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,600 I don't, you know, there's been a lot of, again, due to the 925 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,760 influx of social media and and who's popular, there's been a 926 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:54,120 lot of like, oh, that ain't shit. 927 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:55,240 That ain't shit. That ain't shit. 928 00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,360 But realistically, how many people are, you know, in the 929 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,560 grand scheme of things? Let's just say, like for the 930 00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,520 average person that looks from the outside at powerlifting, 931 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,320 that's a big fucking. Number You know what I mean. 932 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,000 So. All right. 933 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,640 Well, I think we can kind of wrap things up here. 934 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:16,680 So I'll ask my question if if you could give a new powerlifter 935 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,000 or someone going into their first meet a word of advice, 936 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:26,520 what would that be? Going into their first meet, I 937 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:28,480 told someone this the other day. It's funny you asked that. 938 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:33,520 So the first meet I put, and we all probably didn't put so much 939 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,000 pressure on it, but the first meet is honestly probably the 940 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,160 best meet of your career if power. 941 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,960 If you want to make a powerlifting career, let's say. 942 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,240 Because that just sets. That just lays the the 943 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,640 groundwork, You know what I mean? 944 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:49,600 Everything's APR. That's when you realize gym 945 00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,760 lifts no longer matter. You know what I mean? 946 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,360 Like, I don't care if you squatted 500 and bench 300 and 947 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,320 pulled 600 in the gym. Now you put it to the test and 948 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,360 if you only hit 8590% of that and the meet, that's what it is. 949 00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,560 But that's what you now have to shoot for. 950 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,880 Those are your real numbers and those are the real percentages 951 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:13,320 you start building off of. You know what I mean? 952 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,440 And that's how you pick your percentages and go from there. 953 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,920 So I think people you know should put less pressure on 954 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,360 themselves for the first meet, have a little more fun. 955 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,280 Remember that. I hate saying it, but it's only 956 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,160 lifting, you know, because to people like you and I have 957 00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,840 talked about it, the passion behind it, to me it's not only 958 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,560 lifting, but to that to the average person or most people, 959 00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,080 it is only lifting. It's a hobby, sport or whatever. 960 00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,120 But but you know, a lot, a lot of people like myself, like 961 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,240 yourself need this shit, you know what I mean? 962 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,560 But you know, have just have more fun, have fun with it, lay 963 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,440 the groundwork and then build from there. 964 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,800 And I think not that you want to add pressure to yourself, but I 965 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,920 think a little pressure is good, you know. 966 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,840 So start adding pressure each meet, you know what I mean? 967 00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,640 Then that's when you, that's when you start saying I got to 968 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:05,080 beat this number, I got to beat that number. 969 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040 But this one, you have no numbers to beat. 970 00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,960 You just got to put the number. You just got to put it down. 971 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,720 You got to get one squat, one bench, one deadlift. 972 00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:13,600 That's it. Obviously you don't want to go 3 973 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,960 for 9:00, but if it happens, if it happens, it fucking happens. 974 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,800 But this is the one where you go out there, you learn, you have 975 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,560 fun. You, you, you watch everybody. 976 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,120 You just take it all in. You just enjoy being there. 977 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,880 You enjoy the moment. You try to learn something and 978 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,360 you try to pass something on and then you just keep. 979 00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,960 And that's the groundwork. And then from there, from there, 980 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,480 then you pressure yourself a little bit. 981 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,080 But the first one, have some fucking fun. 982 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,680 Enjoy it. Well, I want to thank you to 983 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,600 take the time for coming on. It was a good talk and of 984 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560 course, I'm sure I'll see you around and then maybe we can hop 985 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,760 on yours on sometime.