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Literally what's going on, 
everybody? 

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Welcome back to another episode 
of The Power Lifters Den. 

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I'm your host, Cam Smith, and 
this is going to be episode 100,

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so it's a pretty special 
episode. 

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I want to have a pretty strong 
motherfucker on here. 

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Justin Zotto, why don't you 
introduce yourself? 

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Hey guys, Justin Zotto left out 
of Niagara Falls. 

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Just be strong, Jim. 
The strongest gym in Canada. 

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Fight me powerlifter now for 11 
years competitively strongest 

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being powerlifter of all time #2
ranked squat my weight loss. 

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So trying to put that up one 
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Yes, Sir. 
So I think to get started it's 

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good to get a background. 
Everyone I know obviously you 

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said you're the strongest 
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which is very cool accolade to 
have. 

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But I know your background 
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cyclist. 
So maybe tell us about that 

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journey from being a high level 
cyclist into the pile if you are

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now. 
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as a cyclist. 
My dad is a big influence. 

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He's still coaches, you know, 
for cycling in Canada, raced 

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around, you know, had a lot of 
fun doing that when my first 

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national championship at 16 and,
you know, continue to develop 

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that, you know, develop the 
training methods, develop, you 

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know, kind of that weird sick 
love of pain that we all have in

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the sport. 
You know, and I think that's 

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kind of one of my biggest 
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powerlifter is I like when it 
fucking hurts. 

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I like those rough sets where 
you're like, oh man, I don't 

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like this. 
And he got through like, oh man,

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I feel really good about it. 
Developed. 

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You know, I did a kind of like a
a neo pro junior year on a on a 

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affiliate to a professional team
and I just burnt out that year. 

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It was like the worst year in my
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I quit, I got really fat. 
Cycling was my whole identity 

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and I lost it and I gained I 
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numbers were, but it was a 
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I finished the season like 100 
and 61165 lbs thousand September

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by January 1st, I was well over 
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time. 
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I just ate my feelings, you 
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Or homeowner teenager will do. 
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training as a New Year's 
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gym sapani shortcut to shred 
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night and just started really 
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And the more I push, the 
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And, you know, human beings, we 
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right? 
And quickly found myself, you 

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know, playing football and rugby
and having all this sort of fun.

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Kept getting knocked out playing
football because I don't tackle 

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right. 
And I like, I like leaving my 

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head. 
I got a big head, so I wanted to

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use it and finally won too many 
trips to the ambulance just kind

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of sidelined me and I refused to
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Join the powerlifting gym. 
Got really easily, you know, 

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manipulated doing a powerlifting
meet, squatted 6 bench 345 and 

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pulled six of My first meet was 
like, hey, I like being good. 

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So I kind of kept chasing the 
numbers from there. 

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Yeah, and obviously going from 
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for that same competitive 
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how cycling goes, like obviously
leg strength is huge. 

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So. 
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And obviously you have a the 
second heaviest squat. 

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So kind of going into that, is 
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developed super quick or is it 
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Yeah, just had a crazy. 
Pace, I mean, you look, you look

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at the numbers, right, like for 
being like a, for being a 242 

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and kind of always like a middle
242 as I was the time, like no 

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disrespect to anybody, but like 
having a 345 bench when you have

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a £600 squat, like that's a 
pretty big like that's a pretty 

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big difference. 
You know, there's not 

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proportionately similar, you 
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balls to try 400 LB bench that 
day and got absolutely stapled 

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and then I punched the floor out
of protest, you know, But you 

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know, it was a big thing and it 
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And I mean, for me, 
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haven't squatted 1000 lbs yet in
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And having the second heaviest 
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cool, but I'm still like, you 
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But then I look at my bench and 
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of 220 LB dudes and some 198. 
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it's the same, you know, 
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Yeah, and it's something I 
relate to to like I mean, I, I'm

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probably not compete being raw 
for a few more years, but I 

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mean, I squat and over 7 in 
wraps and I still haven't hit a 

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£400 bench yet. 
So like I I know the struggles 

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of being pretty good at squats 
and sucking a bench. 

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Yeah, it's like it's, it's a, 
it's a weird thing, being good 

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on the front end and the back 
end because, you know, you race 

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out to a lead, you hold on for 
dear life and you hope a devil 

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specialist doesn't pass you in 
the end, which they always do, 

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but. 
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So I guess kind of going from 
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tell us about maybe your first 
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that that gave you outlook on 
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Yeah, it was, it was super cool.
My first meet was like a, it was

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like a pro am provincials, which
like provincials for us is like 

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a state championship for, for 
Americans. 

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And it was, he didn't have to 
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It was my first mate. 
You don't have to qualify. 

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He just showed up right. 
And and it was just a, a gym. 

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We had one rack to warm up on. 
None of the plates matched. 

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There was no deadlift platforms.
There wasn't even deadlift 

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platform on the platform. 
It was just rubber flooring. 

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It's actually really cool. 
It's my first time actually 

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running into a now former climb 
in my Maxine Boudreaux, and he 

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was there and I remember him 
just like walking in the back 

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sniffing ammonia. 
Didn't speak really well English

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at the time where he didn't care
to listen because he wasn't 

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listening to his commands. 
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every time, did 500 for three 
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And it was super cool. 
It was on the first time. 

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It's kind of like you build that
camaraderie of the the the sucks

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people in the powerlifting. 
I think, you know, it was the 

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first time, you know, meeting 
people who became lifetime 

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friends. 
You know, my first meet 11 years

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ago, I still talk to these 
people and see them around, you 

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know, to this day. 
And I think that's kind of what 

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gets got me sucked in, honestly.
Yeah, I was, I was. 

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I like being good at things, but
being kind of immediately 

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accepted into that community was
a much bigger part of me just 

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sticking around, I think. 
Yeah, 100%. 

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I think that time time again, 
you talk to every everyone a 

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pilot and that's been in it for 
more than two to three years or 

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just there that's not there to 
just do it for Instagram. 

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Like they make lifelong friends.
You make hundreds of friends. 

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You make really close friends. 
You make friends that like I've 

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gone to people's weddings, I've 
gone to people's cookouts. 

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I've got like we hang out 
outside the gym. 

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It's more than just lifting 
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There's there's so much time and
effort put into it that just the

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general respect you have for 
each other as a base level just 

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kind of gives you a good start. 
Well, I also think it's like, 

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you know how they talk about, 
oh, you know, it's not the 

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degree, the couch, it's the fact
that it shows you suck through 

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something. 
I think that's very similar 

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parallel to when you see 
somebody, you continuously see 

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them or even in the gym when 
you're working out first kind of

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see a guy, you know, you're OK 
that's random dude working out, 

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you see him again for a couple 
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You know, by the second or third
month you have that guy's name 

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and probably a way to contact 
him, right. 

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Yeah. 
It's the same kind of thing. 

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It's like you prove that you're 
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Well, you're, you're probably 
committed person that you know, 

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I can probably, you know, you 
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friendship with. 
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And it's like some of the look, 
maybe if you do meet for a few 

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years, see him a couple of times
and then you go to it like the 

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third time or something, you're 
like, oh, want to where is this 

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year or something like that? 
You're like, Oh yeah, he fell 

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out of love it. 
It it happens to me all the 

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time. 
I've been, I've been hit on the 

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head a few times, but I'll be in
a meet. 

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I'm like, I need, I know that 
person's name. 

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I like, I have to know they're a
man. 

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I've never met them before. 
I've just seen them so many 

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times. 
I feel like I should know who 

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they are, Right? 
So that's always an awkward one 

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to be like, who are you again? 
Yeah. 

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Especially when you, yeah, if 
you go to so many meats and 

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stuff like obviously I'm 
travelling around a different 

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gym, going to a bunch of meats 
for my crew, I'm going to local 

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meats. 
Just trying to, you know, 

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obviously get the experience and
grow the podcast and things like

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that. 
And you always run into people 

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again. 
You're like fuck, I can't 

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remember their name. 
Yeah, I did. 

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What was that? 
When the devil's wear Prada, I 

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knew that. 
I knew that assistant just tell 

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me people's name and walk around
with me. 

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Yeah. 
Then I guess as far as just in 

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general, what are your your best
lifts? 

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Yeah, so I mean in competition, 
let's be real, you know, I 

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squatted 953 lbs. 
The American Pro 2 was geared to

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take it. 
You know, in my head I should 

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have taken it my last couple 
meets, but injury set back and 

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fatigue kind of, you know, limit
me to that. 

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I do have a 931 LB sleeve squat 
which I'm much happier with, 843

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LB deadlift and a 545 LB bench. 
Yeah, I mean, that's thinking 

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crazy just because, I mean, your
sleeve squad is littering my 

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multiply squad. 
So just imagining I know what 

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that way feels like on my back, 
I can only imagine what it feels

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like raw. 
I'll be I'll be real with you, 

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man. 
It was a weird one because I was

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prepping for the Clash of Titans
too, and it was a wrapped meat 

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and for all intents and 
purposes, I squatted 1000 lbs in

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the cage on a pretty fatigued 
day. 

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I was coaching the pro straw man
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My back was just tuned up. 
I was warming up and I told 

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Craig, I'm like, we should 
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because I think after my last 
warm up, I'm, I'm calling it 

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like my back's just carnated. 
Luckily, I'm a really close 

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friend of mine. 
My best friend, his name is 

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Maddow Boy, he's a massage 
therapist. 

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You'll see him in pretty much 
all my videos. 

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And he just kind of, he kind of 
saw the doubt on my face, kind 

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of like looked around. 
He's like, all right, well, 

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we're going to let him out of 
the cage now. 

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Just grab my headphones, you 
know, just kind of tapped my 

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heart and he just reminded me 
he's like, you know, your water,

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your daughter's watching the 
live stream at home, right? 

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But I'm just like, get out of my
way. 

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Let's go. 
It's time. 

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Literally it was a snap. 
Like if you watch my lot, my 

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second last one was like 900 lbs
move. 

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Like shit. 
I'm like, fuck, all right. 

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And I literally called my next 
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1000 plus. 
I went to 9:30 and I'm like, 

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that might be it for the day. 
And I blew it up. 

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And you know, it was great from 
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that prep was 3 or 4 weeks later
I did a tune up meet at home 

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because I do think it's 
important that, you know, I do 

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compete at home. 
Good. 

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Well, the the competitions don't
have the same standard or, you 

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know, pizzazz or, you know, 
production quality They do in 

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America or in Europe. 
I do think it's important that I

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do show my face at home, right. 
So I did a tune up meet. 

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I did like you go back and 
watch. 

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It was like an RPE 8, maybe an 
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what you know, let's you watch. 
But because I was training in 

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wraps, when I switched down to 
my sleeves, everything went 

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really easy. 
The 931 LB squat, you can only 

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see me in the hole. 
I smiled. 

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I was like, oh, this is easy, 
let's go, right? 

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And it didn't feel that heavy. 
Because I think, I think because

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I was loading the weight, the 
heavier weights on my back raw 

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leading up to it, that when I 
stripped everything out and put 

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£70 less, I'm like, oh, this is 
how we this is fine. 

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Yeah, so easy I guess. 
What do you kind of explain what

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you mean by a tune up meat and 
maybe what the the purpose is 

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for you? 
I'll be real with you, the 

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purpose was to pay for my hotel 
and I had a bunch of clients 

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doing it. 
I'm a very defensive person of 

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my people and there was people 
running around saying my gym 

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wasn't the strongest in the 
province. 

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So I loaded up, you know, a 
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named Liam, he's on 2 meats 
total, 2100 at both of them. 

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Doesn't really have a desire to 
train beyond that very much. 

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He like shows up to the gym like
once a month, blast a bunch of 

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stuff out and goes home. 
We don't see him again. 

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I'm like, how do you do it? 
I need your plan, you know, sell

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me your stack, please. 
I got another guy named Tyler. 

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He's a super young guy. 
He'll be he'll be a four 

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strackling for years. 
He did it with me. 

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I had three girls just go in 
there and just absolutely murder

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everybody in front of them just 
to kind of like put respect back

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on the gym name. 
So I kind of got baited into it,

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you know, as I do sometimes, But
there was no real like 

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intelligent reason to do it. 
I should say it was more like an

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ego. 
Let me show you my Wiener type 

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of day. 
So. 

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Yeah, well, sometimes you got 
to, you got to join the pissing 

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contest when it's presenting 
you. 

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That's kind of at the end of the
day, we're all a bunch of 

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meatheads. 
We like to kind of let our Dick 

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swing sometimes. 
So just you got a lot to happen.

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And it was, I think it was, I 
think I did as well as I did 

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that mean because I, well, I 
felt the pressure of doing well.

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It was also being real, like I'm
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So even my third bench, I only 
benched like 529 that day. 

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And it was one that it kind of 
pissed me off. 

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So halfway up and I just stopped
trying. 

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I still got it, but I'm like you
stupid. 

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Like that was supposed to be 
fast. 

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Like I'm like yelling at myself 
in the backroom, you know, 

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everybody else, like dude, you 
just spent £530. 

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That was insane. 
I'm like, it's a rolling my belt

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like you idiot, what did you do 
that for? 

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Right? 
But I think I took the pressure 

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off and let me have some fun, 
you know, because I do, I think 

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in anything, right, like when 
you invest as much time as we do

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into this, whether it's, you 
know, 2 hours a day or whether 

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it's 24 hours a day, you didn't 
invest a lot of time into over 

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the course of a 12 week prep, 
You know, and for myself, like I

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don't view an offseason or, or 
peeking. 

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I'm always in prep, right? 
Because if I let the, the foot 

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off the gas, I just find I'd 
lose it some mental thing for 

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myself. 
And when I gave myself that 

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freedom just to be like, Hey, 
we're going to have some fun. 

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You know, we'll see what 
happens, you know, then have P&R

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PR in my total. 
I'm like, oh shit, OK, that was 

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a lot of fun. 
And then just, I held the peak 

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for way too long. 
So you got to remember I hit the

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thousand in the cage of the 
start of March. 

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I competed at the end of March, 
early April, and then I tried to

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peek again at the end of April 
and I was just cooked. 

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I remember warming up a clash of
Titans and taking like the way I

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usually warm up is I'll do a 
bunch of like prehab rehab, you 

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know, muscle activation stuff. 
Because for me, I find genuinely

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that if I swat anything below 
£500, my form is different. 

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I can't squat the same way. 
So my first squats, 500 lbs, 

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second squats, usually 770 
thirds, 880. 

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And then I throw my wraps on and
go, I took, I took my first 

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squat, my legs were dead. 
And I'm like just one more 

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plate, please. 
Let's do this, go to £600 still 

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that I'm like, we're doing all 
the activation stuff and I never

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found my legs. 
I just, I wasn't, you know, I 

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was burned out, to be honest. 
And so yeah, I probably would 

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have done a lot better Flash 
Titans having not done all the 

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side quests but same point in 
time when Animal calls you up 

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and asks you to squat 1000 with 
your good friend, you're going 

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to do it. 
Yeah. 

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And I think I think kind of on a
bigger scale by like you said, 

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doing one of these tune up meets
or going to the cage, which we 

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could talk a little bit more 
about it kind of it keeps things

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fresh and makes it. 
Because once you get to that pro

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level and you're, you're chasing
these numbers, whether it's a 

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certain number on a squad or a 
certain position on your weight 

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class or your board or something
on the ABS rankings or just 

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anything in that like pro 
competitive level, you kind of 

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lose yourself in the moment of 
like, why am I doing this? 

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And I think it's a good way to 
kind of step back and be like, 

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all right, This is why I love 
powerlifting. 

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Absolutely. 
I mean, the biggest thing, like 

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I said earlier, there's two 
reasons why I think people 

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actually like, love 
powerlifting. 

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And then there's a third reason 
why people think they like 

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powerlifting. 
The reason why they think they 

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like powerlifting is Instagram. 
Yeah, right. 

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Like, oh, I got 100 lights on my
bench video. 

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It's like, no, you just showed 
your ass in the intro and then 

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people liked it. 
All right? 

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They don't care. 
All right? 

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I'm just being honest with you. 
But the reason why I think they 

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like it is first and foremost, 
it gives them a sense of 

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control, right? 
Like I couldn't bench 100 lbs 

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today. 
I trained for 12 weeks. 

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I was able to bench 100 lbs. 
I was better. 

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I'm better now than I was then. 
I think people really get 

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gravitate towards that sense of 
control because there's no real 

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control in this world, 
unfortunately for people, right?

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And then the other reason is a 
community like we talked about 

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earlier, you know, and, and 
competing at home, competing in 

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front of, you know, just a crowd
full of people that I know, that

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I coach, that I'm friends with, 
that I've known for a decade. 

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Just kind of let me fly, you 
know, So we're going to be 

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trying to replicate that kind of
mental process, you know, 

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leading into my next couple 
meets and, you know, see if it 

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works. 
Yeah. 

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And touching back a bit on the 
cage, obviously that's something

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that's been going on for several
years and there's, yeah, 

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hundreds of amazing clips and 
just insane lifts being pulled 

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out of that, things that people 
have never been able to even 

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replicate in their own career at
that point. 

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And so maybe tell us about the 
experience with that obviously 

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being with all these high level 
guys and just tell us about what

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that environment is like 
competing in that cage. 

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Yeah. 
So this is my second year doing 

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that. 
I did it. 

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I did it last year with Fernando
Arias. 

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We both squatted together and 
going into it that year was a 

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really emotional thing for me 
because I'd, I'd been through, 

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you know, a decade long career, 
I'd, you know, split with my 

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ex-wife and you know, how to 
rebuild and didn't think I was 

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going to get anywhere near where
I am to this day. 

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And, you know, kind of, you 
know, when I went to walk into 

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the cage, even I go to walk in 
the cage and I just found myself

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pausing at the entrance because 
it's a little like gap and where

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the cage is, right? 
I just kind of paused and I was 

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like one of those things like it
was like my body's being like, 

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Are you sure? 
Like this is like we're going 

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in, right? 
I just kind of felt a hand on my

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back and kind of little push of 
a business. 

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Basically. 
I turn around, look and it's TD 

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and he's all right, let's go 
squat boy. 

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And he pushed me in the cage, 
right? 

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And I'm like, OK, I guess I'm in
now, right? 

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And that first time I put a lot 
of pressure on myself and to 

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perform and I had, you know, 
really kind of worried about 

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failing in the cage, you know, 
and, and being scared of that 

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failure, you know, and I 
completely squatted ass 

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backwards. 
I cut my chest up way too high 

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the whole time and end up 
failing like 975 super 

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embarrassingly, like 2 inches 
from lockout. 

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And it wasn't even a fail. 
It was I stepped to the left. 

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I still stop under my own power 
bug. 

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I stepped to the left in my mind
as perfectionist as a purist, I 

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was just a complete failure, 
right? 

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So I felt like a big goof. 
I felt like a big dummy, you 

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know, as you would when you 
don't know what it's all about 

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and you go step foot out of the 
cage and everybody's like coming

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up and man, that was crazy. 
Great job. 

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Like they're talking to you like
like in your head, like, did I 

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actually make that squat? 
Like, right. 

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And they don't care, you know, 
because they get it, you know, 

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they or if they don't get it, 
they're their minds blown that 

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they can't understand what just 
happened, you know, and you 

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know, so I took that, you know, 
to heart. 

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And, you know, I messaged Steph,
you know, kind of Midsummer, 

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like, hey, listen, like if 
you're willing to have me back 

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and be an honor to come back, 
you know, try to take a run at 

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that 1000 LB squat. 
And I kind of got a message back

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right away. 
She's like, yes, when we talk to

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people, but probably. 
So I kind of just started 

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getting my mind ready to do that
that year and going back in the 

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second time and being able to do
it with another close friend of 

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mine, Craig Foster, and both 
kind of like, hey, we're going 

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to run out the 1000 LB goal 
together, you know, and the 

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whole goal was £1000 a 1000 lbs.
That's all we talked about. 

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And kind of walking in the cage 
and kind of seeing it and being 

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familiar with it and understand 
this group of people. 

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Like the second time I walk up 
to the cage, everybody's 

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attacked. 
Oh, hey, Justin, give me hugs. 

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How you doing? 
You know, all this stuff. 

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I'm like, once again, trying to 
remember everybody's names and 

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like, OK, I got to figure this 
out, right? 

441
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040
And then just being involved in 
that family, you know, like all 

442
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,280
these elite lifters just stay in
the cage all weekend. 

443
00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,920
Like, unless we have like other 
like responsibilities, like when

444
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,280
I had to go to Cerberus or 
barefoot or whatever, or go 

445
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,880
coach the strongman, you know, 
I'm sitting there and I'm just, 

446
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,400
I'm watching, you know, I'm a 
fan because that's at the end of

447
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:57,560
the day, if you're a 
powerlifter, if you're a strong 

448
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,880
man, if you're a but you're a 
fan of what you're doing and 

449
00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,120
when people are doing incredible
things, you're going to be 

450
00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:04,040
there. 
You know, and I was in the cage 

451
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,080
when Theo Maddox tried to pull 
the 5:05. 

452
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,600
You know, I was in the cage 
watching, you know, the girls 

453
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,720
Rep out crazy squats. 
I was in there watching Andy 

454
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,000
Wynn Rep out crazy squats. 
You know, I was in there 

455
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,960
watching, you know, Ken Cooper, 
you know, Deadlift and, you 

456
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,000
know, seeing him come back from 
his story of him, you know, 

457
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,160
destroying his legs and coming 
back and being, you know, better

458
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:27,040
was really cool to see. 
But then also like being in the 

459
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,760
moment, like, hey, it's my turn.
You know, they put me a Saturday

460
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,880
right in the prime time spot 
spot with Craig. 

461
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,720
You look around, you can't see 
any floor. 

462
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,440
Just people are everywhere 
around you. 

463
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,360
You know, I, I asked ChatGPT 
something that they got a pic. 

464
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:42,080
They got a video of me up in the
VIP booth and took a picture. 

465
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,440
I'm like, I asked ChatGPT. 
I'm like, how many people are in

466
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:46,880
this picture? 
And they say we're from 1600 to 

467
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,720
2000 people. 
Yeah, that's I'm like, well, 

468
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:51,400
that's, that's the most amount 
of people that ever watch me 

469
00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,000
powerless in person, right. 
And and then, yeah, just like 

470
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,200
being part of it, getting the 
squad, doing it with a very 

471
00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,240
close friend of mine, squad in 
the 1005 with them, which is 

472
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,480
something that was super, super 
cool, considering. 

473
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,720
What a lot of people don't 
understand, if they haven't been

474
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,120
in this for more than, you know,
two years, is that back when we 

475
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:10,120
started, there was no content 
for powerlifting. 

476
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,920
You couldn't consume any vision.
You could read a magazine, 

477
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:14,600
right? 
Or you could read a forum, 

478
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,720
right, the teenage forums, 
whatever you wanted to read back

479
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:17,920
in the day. 
But there's nothing we could 

480
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,040
watch. 
The only thing we could really 

481
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,360
watch was either Mark Bell or 
the animal videos. 

482
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,320
Yeah, so I grew up on the animal
videos. 

483
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:27,480
I remember all the old Road to 
the Cage videos. 

484
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,720
And then to be in that position 
where like, hey, I'm in the 

485
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,080
videos now. 
Like they flew of a camera crew 

486
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,080
to my house in Canada to come 
and film me and my wife and my 

487
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,760
daughter, you know, at my gym. 
And now that's me. 

488
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,120
That that was that was a really 
cool moment for me. 

489
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,760
Yeah, one of the cool parts 
about pilelifting too, is the 

490
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,080
when you get all these high 
level at high level competitors 

491
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,040
in the room together, they're 
they're all kind of like 

492
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,480
fangirling over each other when 
they're all the same level. 

493
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,400
And it's just so funny that you 
can see how much people 

494
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,080
appreciate it. 
There's accomplishments in the 

495
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,320
sport, which is something that 
in like other sports, you just 

496
00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,800
do not see. 
Yeah, like, on on Sunday, they 

497
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,640
were dumb enough to give me a 
live microphone. 

498
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,840
And I'm sitting there and like, 
I got Evan singles him in the 

499
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,400
cage and Sam Bellyvo, another 
former client of mine going 

500
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,520
after, you know, record circus 
dumbbells. 

501
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,080
I got Andy, you know, launching 
his his squat. 

502
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,160
And by the end, when I'm sitting
there trying to talk on the way 

503
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,160
home and kind of like regroup 
and talk to my wife and Matt and

504
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,120
his wife about what happened and
my voice is cracking. 

505
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:23,400
Like, what's going on? 
They're like, well, you were 

506
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,560
screaming on fucking day, 
Justin, like you don't have a 

507
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,000
voice, you know, because we are 
fans of the sport, right? 

508
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,000
You. 
I think you have to be to get 

509
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,520
far in the sport. 
If you don't enjoy it, you're 

510
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,680
not going anywhere. 
Yeah, 100%. 

511
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,080
Adults. 
But no, it's it's, it's, it's 

512
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,360
the animal cage, One of the 
coolest things that people can 

513
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,480
go experience it, go and see it,
go and watch it and just figure 

514
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,240
out what it's all about. 
It's one of the coolest and most

515
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,960
genuine powerlifting 
experiences. 

516
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,920
I know it's not a meet. 
I know sometimes the lifts 

517
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,040
aren't a standard, and that's 
OK. 

518
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280
In this circumstance, nobody's 
taking a record, nothing counts.

519
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,840
It's an exhibition lift. 
It's OK, but it's the most raw 

520
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,680
powerlifting experience. 
Just people in there who love 

521
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:07,080
powerlifting, who love 
heavyweights, who understand 

522
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000
what it's like to be on the 
other side of the cage. 

523
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,840
You know who will take the time 
to talk to you and share stories

524
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,280
or a meal or a drink or whatever
it might be? 

525
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,000
That's what the animal cage is. 
Yeah. 

526
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,880
And I remembered, I forget, I 
think Phil, it was Phil Herndon 

527
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:21,480
posted this. 
It was like a picture of him 

528
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,600
from like, like several years 
back of him like on the outside 

529
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:25,960
of the cage. 
And then I cut to him, like 

530
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,960
inside the cage. 
And it's kind of like cool to 

531
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,360
see one of those full circle 
moments. 

532
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:33,040
But I kind of want you to walk 
us through that moment of that 

533
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,520
1000 LB squat. 
Yeah, so I was, I was sitting 

534
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,720
there, I was just kind of going 
through my mental cues, like, 

535
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,560
hey, we got to do this. 
And I used to be a lifter where 

536
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,600
if if I bent it all my form, I 
broke. 

537
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,440
Like I was either getting 
convincingly or I was stapled. 

538
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,120
There was no in between. 
And I kind of stand up and I sit

539
00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:54,960
there and Matt kind of, Matt 
kind of sees it in my eyes. 

540
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,680
He just kind of walks behind the
platform. 

541
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,280
And right behind the platform 
was actually a former client of 

542
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,040
mine, Chess. 
And chess had taken a little bit

543
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,520
of a breakthrough, some personal
issues. 

544
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,880
And the night before he's like, 
hey, man, listen. 

545
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,200
And he told me he was coming to 
Columbus. 

546
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,320
He said, hey, you got this 
squat, I'm back on the team. 

547
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,000
Shit. 
Right. 

548
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920
And I'm like, I love this dude. 
This dude's a game. 

549
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,160
So he got in a car crash when he
was a teenager, ripped his bicep

550
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,760
completely off, still powerless,
been still benching the forest. 

551
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,600
He almost squatted 7 as a 220 in
sleeves. 

552
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,160
It's good, dude. 
I love the dude. 

553
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,680
I sit there with with a friend 
of his and I look over to my 

554
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,880
left and I see a bunch of my my 
friends and clients I've known 

555
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,000
forever. 
I hear people from my gym behind

556
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,600
me screaming, you know what I 
mean? 

557
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,160
And my best friend's lining me 
up. 

558
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,720
My wife's still running the mono
and I got friends all around me,

559
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,800
right? 
But I'm still there like, hey, 

560
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,960
everything's gotta be perfect. 
OK? 

561
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,920
Drop your ribs, get your lots. 
And you don't set your set your 

562
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,120
big toe right. 
Find your midfoot and let's let 

563
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:51,400
this fly. 
Let's let this fly. 

564
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,720
And I'm sitting there and I like
getting the the crowd hyped up. 

565
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,360
So I take my ammonia, I fucking 
scream into the crowd, you know,

566
00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,680
get them flying and I get myself
back. 

567
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,720
And I've learned to temper that 
a little bit. 

568
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,400
So you actually, you'll see me 
quite often. 

569
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,440
Just I'll just open my mouth and
you'll think I'm just open my 

570
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,600
mouth, but I'm actually saying 
calm and I'm just not like, 

571
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,400
dude, calm down. 
Like don't get too hype. 

572
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,080
Just chill and I'm going to take
my pneumonia and I guess my my, 

573
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,640
my, well, she's going to be my 
wife on Sunday, but I'll fiance 

574
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,000
at times. 
Thank you, thank you Alan. 

575
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,160
She had gone up to to William, 
the one MC She's like, how like 

576
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,160
she's like, cuz every kind of 
saw the dirt in my eyes with my 

577
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,640
back and she kind of looked at 
William and she's just like, are

578
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,000
you willing to cross the line 
with Justin? 

579
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,160
Potentially like he, she's like,
it might be too far. 

580
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,400
And he and and Eric that Eric 
Schwartz, the one MC animals had

581
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,040
forever is like, oh hell no, I'm
out. 

582
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,680
Like I'm not, I'm not going near
this. 

583
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,160
He said, I know how much that 
guy fires up like when he gets 

584
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,440
pissed. 
So no, I'm not doing that. 

585
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,320
And I was like, yeah, that tell 
me. 

586
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,280
And so she told him what to do 
and raised him about taking my 

587
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,240
ammonia and I'm a big ammonia 
fan. 

588
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,280
I dragged ammonia like nobody's 
business. 

589
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,360
I got kicked out of the zone 
booth because nothing like I was

590
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,320
like, I was like trying all 
their products and nothing was 

591
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,520
doing anything for me. 
Right. 

592
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,480
And and he grabs my shirt and 
he's like, this one's for Ellie.

593
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,240
And I, I didn't even take my 
money. 

594
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,440
I threw it and I screamed. 
I grabbed the bar and I'm like 

595
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,080
getting ready. 
I'm getting ready to go. 

596
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,880
And I go to try to line myself 
up under, under the bar. 

597
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,800
And I'm like, no, that ain't it.
And I come back and I'm like, 

598
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,880
there's something wrong with my 
belt. 

599
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,480
I'm looking at my belt, my belt 
in the right spot. 

600
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,280
Like everything's perfectly fine
with my belt. 

601
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,640
I just can't brace. 
And so I just crank it and I 

602
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,440
can't crank it. 
I'm fighting with the fucking 

603
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,480
belt. 
Like it won't latch. 

604
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,880
I'm like, motherfucker, right? 
It's a great belt. 

605
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,880
It's an awesome belt belt. 
Don't know what his problem was.

606
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,240
And I finally lapsed it. 
And you can actually see in the 

607
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,960
video, I smiled. 
And in that moment I had like a 

608
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,480
5 minute conversation with 
myself about like, dude, how far

609
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,560
like how right is this moment? 
You failed last year, right? 

610
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,920
And I've gotten so much better. 
Like not everything has to be 

611
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,280
the same, like blah, blah, blah.
Like it doesn't need to be 

612
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,800
perfect. 
Nothing has to be perfect 

613
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,520
anymore. 
And I'm like, this is how it had

614
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,920
to be. 
And I grab under the bar and I'm

615
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,680
like, tell myself calm and I go 
down rack and I didn't lock my 

616
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,160
knees out. 
I didn't take my breath in. 

617
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,480
I just stood up, right? 
And I finally locked my knees 

618
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,440
like you stupid idiot, just do 
this, right? 

619
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560
And I'd smashed my head on the 
bar before, you know, So I 

620
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,800
started feeling kind of the 
blood coming down my face, which

621
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,800
is a new thing for me. 
And, and as I'm, as I'm 

622
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,840
squatting down, I kind of hit in
the hole And I'm like, hey, got 

623
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,640
this. 
Cuz the doubt always creeps in, 

624
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,600
always right. 
The doubt always creeps in. 

625
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,960
No matter how sure you are of a 
lift, no matter how much your 

626
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,480
programming proves you have it, 
no matter how much last week 

627
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,160
proves that you have it, you're 
always doubting right. 

628
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,160
And so as I'm coming out, as I'm
hitting the hole, right, and I 

629
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,880
come out of the hole, I'm like, 
holy shit, we're going. 

630
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,320
And I just remember last year 
immediately failing, right? 

631
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080
Just failing to lock it. 
I'm like, you can even see me 

632
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,440
close my eyes. 
I was like, close my eyes like, 

633
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,840
please don't fail, please don't 
fail, right? 

634
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,080
And I lock it, I rock it. 
And I kind of like turn around. 

635
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,800
Everybody's cheering for me. 
You know what I mean? 

636
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,440
As well. 
Those moments. 

637
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,680
Just take a second that you 
know, to thank God for keeping 

638
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,040
me safe, keep the spotter safe. 
And it's kind of like, Oh, 

639
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,680
right. 
And it was, it was relief 

640
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,480
because for me, right, the joy 
and the the experience and the 

641
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,640
honor was being asked to go, 
yeah, getting that nod because 

642
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,400
being an animal, animal lifter 
means something. 

643
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320
You can't just be strong like 
animals not gonna have you in 

644
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,440
the cage if you're an asshole 
and a piece of shit person. 

645
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,520
Yeah, there's not gonna do it, 
right. 

646
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,000
And so that was an honor for me,
you know, and then kind of 

647
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,040
turning and seeing all my fellow
lifters, people that I still 

648
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,840
look up to to this day, sitting 
there on their feet cheering. 

649
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,520
And I'm seeing the look on my 
wife's face when I'm just 

650
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,160
covered in blood. 
You know, I was expecting to hug

651
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960
her or kiss. 
She's right. 

652
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,600
That was a super cool moment. 
You know, hard to keep the 

653
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,000
emotions in check at that point 
because, you know, it was a, it 

654
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,880
was, you know, a lifelong dream 
of mine. 

655
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,720
I wanted to go in the cage, you 
know, and technically have the 

656
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,760
heaviest squad. 
I share it with Craig and I 

657
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,560
believe, I mean, technically Dan
has the best squad worker. 

658
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,960
He doubled 1000 in it. 
I got five more pounds on him. 

659
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,640
Not saying I'm stronger, 
definitely swats way more than 

660
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,280
me got him. 
But yeah, I know it was. 

661
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,680
It's just a super cool moment, 
super emotional moment. 

662
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:06,920
And then you just don't want to 
end. 

663
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Yeah. 
It's one of those things you 

664
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,280
just like you hold on to. 
Like do we do we have to go? 

665
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Do we have to go? 
You know, and then it was super 

666
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,280
cool seeing the fan response, 
you know, walking through, you 

667
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,480
know, I had to go do some some 
obligations afterwards and 

668
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960
walking through and, you know, a
guy stopped being. 

669
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,440
I was kind of taken aback by it,
you know, what the fuck you 

670
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,000
want, right? 
So kind of a picture of oh shit,

671
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,520
yeah, for sure. 
Let's do it right. 

672
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,120
And then all of a sudden, you 
know, you have a line up, you 

673
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,760
know, oh, this is really, really
cool. 

674
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,560
I don't get it, you know, but 
it's super, super big honor for 

675
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,360
people to, you know, kind of 
look up to me and say they've 

676
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,800
been following me for years. 
And you know, it's, it's a cool 

677
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,520
thing being that being on this 
side of the hill, because I do 

678
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,240
know that I'm, you know, kind of
heading towards to the 

679
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,880
proverbial light for 
powerlifting. 

680
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:50,600
It is. 
It is a super cool thing. 

681
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,240
Yeah. 
And I think that that moment 

682
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,280
obviously like there's been less
than 400 people ever in history 

683
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,800
to squat 1000, whether it's in 
multiplier raw and just to be 

684
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,040
able to do that, whether. 
I think in RAW it's less than 

685
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,520
25. 
Yeah, I think so. 

686
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,800
In sleeves like 5 and then with 
raft it's probably like 40 or 

687
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,040
whatever. 
So I think it's like 25 or 

688
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:09,960
something like that. 
Yeah. 

689
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,120
So even if it's not competition,
it doesn't really matter. 

690
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,400
It's still an amazing moment to 
be able to share with people 

691
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,080
that you not only looked up to, 
but also friends and family. 

692
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Well, the thing for me too is 
like, there's no like for me. 

693
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,720
Like when I left, there's no 
questions. 

694
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:23,800
Like I'm burying that 
motherfucker. 

695
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,200
Yeah. 
Like I don't, I'll be like when 

696
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,080
it comes to squatting, I don't 
wait for the judge's light. 

697
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,760
So I'm already, if I go out to 
the rack, I'm already 

698
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:29,560
celebrating. 
Yeah. 

699
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,280
I don't even just tell me I 
squatted deep. 

700
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,680
I like, there's times when like 
I think I cut a squat high and 

701
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,680
I'm still 3 inches deep and I'm 
like, oh, like you'll see the 

702
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,560
guy, like turn sometimes like, 
oh, am I good? 

703
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:40,800
Remember the guy? 
He smashed him. 

704
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,520
Like, yeah, I knew I got it. 
I used to know if it was high or

705
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,600
not. 
Yeah. 

706
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,680
And I think that's we can kind 
of dive into that a little bit. 

707
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,320
I know you're big on keeping 
like lifting standards kind of 

708
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,200
the same and not over 
complicating them. 

709
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,560
So what do you what do you think
the biggest standard that you 

710
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:58,800
think is slipping today? 
Jeez, that's a good one. 

711
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,120
I mean, there's a few of them. 
I mean depth is an easy one. 

712
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,000
Yeah, that's the one that always
comes up. 

713
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,720
But it's not hard like I, I've 
been in, I've been in ref now 

714
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,600
for 10 years. 
It's not hard to ref. 

715
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,160
I, I'm sorry, like it's, it's a 
difficult pressure filled job 

716
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,760
and there's people in your rate.
Don't get me wrong, I agree 

717
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,040
100%. 
And there's a lot of really 

718
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
great high level referees, 
right? 

719
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,160
There's also a lot of people who
are great referees, but when the

720
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,000
weight gets above a certain 
number, turn into spectators and

721
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,160
they're watching the lift in 
terms of the performance and 

722
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,640
they're not watching the lift in
terms of the movement, right? 

723
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,120
And it's very frustrating for 
me. 

724
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,960
Like, I genuinely have a belief 
that if you're setting a world 

725
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,800
record, it should be 
unquestionable. 100%. 

726
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,120
I'm blind as shit. 
I should be able to do this and 

727
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,000
take my glasses off and look 
good. 

728
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,480
Lift. 
Great job, right? 

729
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
You know, there's some 
federations in some countries 

730
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,960
that do the sniff test for 
death. 

731
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,000
But yeah, smells like you hit 
it. 

732
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,000
What the hell, right? 
Or even lockouts on deadlift. 

733
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,600
That's another one, right? 
And the ramping and the hitching

734
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,560
and what they consider to be a 
full lockout is more of a strong

735
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,080
an issue than a powerlifting 
thing. 

736
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
But in powerlifting, it's 
definitely got it, definitely 

737
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,760
has to be depth. 
And it's always been depth, 

738
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,960
which is a frustrating thing 
because we have so many, I'm 

739
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,520
sorry, fucking nerds in our 
sport. 

740
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,960
Somebody has to have a device 
figured out by now. 

741
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,440
That I said the same thing. 
I was like, dude, it's not. 

742
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,400
It wouldn't be that hard, but 
and I've thought about different

743
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,920
ways of doing this. 
And like, obviously my 

744
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,960
perspective from the multiply 
world is like it's a it's a 

745
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,920
issue in itself. 
And it's kind of one of those 

746
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,840
things where it's so ingrained 
in the culture to where it's 

747
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,880
like, what do we even do from 
here? 

748
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,760
But like at the same time, I 
think at the end of the day, it 

749
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,080
like multiply swats are always 
going to be a little bit higher.

750
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,440
That's just how it's going to be
and I think. 

751
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,680
My question to that is, does it 
have to be that way or do you 

752
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,760
take weight off the bar and 
actually get the standard? 

753
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Because I get frustrated when I 
hear, well, the roughing's 

754
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,760
different from multiply. 
Well, it's the same rule book. 

755
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,560
Yeah, it's hip crease below top 
or knee? 

756
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,720
Top of knee. 
Sorry, yes or no? 

757
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,960
It's not no but. 
Yeah. 

758
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,520
No, it was yes or no. 
And that's what's frustrating 

759
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,200
for me is because coming from 
those that generation where 

760
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,240
we're like, we did read the West
Side magazines, we did buy the 

761
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,360
like the West Side DVDs, We did 
do all that stuff, right? 

762
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,040
And yes, they were spotting high
back then. 

763
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,400
I'm not saying they weren't. 
But what I'm saying is that now 

764
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,480
being a, you know, guy who's 
getting older, understanding 

765
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,400
that if I want to keep going, 
I'm probably going to have to 

766
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,520
put some gear on, right? 
I'm going to need the help, 

767
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,720
right? 
It's very frustrating to watch 

768
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,000
something that's so like to me, 
it's like if you're powerlifting

769
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,120
a gear, you're not doing it for 
likes or Instagram. 

770
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,160
No, you're you're just not. 
No, you're doing it because you 

771
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,240
love it. 
Exactly. 

772
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,320
So if you're doing it because 
you love it and you love it so 

773
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:57,400
much, why the fuck are you 
cutting one of the cornerstones 

774
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,680
of a lift that like being like 
don't worry about pausing and 

775
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,440
bench. 
It's a shirt. 

776
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200
No, it's there's still a press 
command, right? 

777
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,880
So it's very frustrating being 
somebody who values it and works

778
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,960
with so many different body 
types, right. 

779
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,719
I have very short people with 
very little muscle mass. 

780
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
I have very short people with a 
lot of muscle mass. 

781
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,639
I have people who are 
overweight. 

782
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Everyone can hit depth. 
I don't want to hear it, right? 

783
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,679
And it's very frustrating when 
people just don't and they don't

784
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,159
care. 
Yeah. 

785
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:31,480
Oh, I'm going to set a world 
record, but I'm going to hide in

786
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,600
this federation and squat 
really, really high. 

787
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,239
But I got it open parallel 
thing. 

788
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,960
So hopefully social media 
doesn't see it. 

789
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,800
And so my opinion on it is that,
I mean, obviously I've seen 

790
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,960
playing multiply squats. 
I've done multiply squats. 

791
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,480
Yes, there's been highs, 1 ones 
that have passed. 

792
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,960
There's been some that are I 
guess technically high that I'm 

793
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,639
like, all right, that's OK. 
And I know that's kind of a 

794
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,280
twisted opinion on it. 
But at the same time, I've seen 

795
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,560
so many videos of multiply 
squats on Instagram, on 

796
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,400
Facebook, wherever the fuck they
post it, where I've seen it in 

797
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160
person and it's been good. 
And it looks stupid high on 

798
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,320
Instagram. 
So like I think there's a 

799
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,080
obviously I think it's still an 
issue, but I think that's, I 

800
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,520
think that's a bigger disconnect
that makes it appear way worse 

801
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,080
than it is. 
So like, I, I thought about it 

802
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,920
and I, I think about lots of 
things, but I'm not always, I'm 

803
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,920
not that smart sometimes. 
So who knows, right? 

804
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,320
But I always thought it'd be 
smart thing to do Where if like 

805
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,720
we went to, you know, kind of, 
you know, keepers of the sport, 

806
00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,680
people that we all look to as 
authorities, whatever it is, 

807
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,720
get, you know, 9 or 12 of them 
and basically say like, Hey, 

808
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:34,160
listen, if you're going to get a
world record certified, you know

809
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,800
what I mean? 
At different times of the year, 

810
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,760
it's going to be different 
people. 

811
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Or they just pick it out of a 
hat, like I'll look at this 

812
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,440
record or whatever it is and 
they certify it. 

813
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,360
You know what I mean? 
And to get a world record 

814
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,920
approved, you have to have three
video angles, right? 

815
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,440
I'm sorry. 
It's doable. 

816
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,800
It matters that much to you. 
We're going to figure out a way 

817
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,840
to do it right? 
I'm sorry, but when you watch 

818
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,280
myself squat, there's no 
questions, right? 

819
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,000
And I'm a tweener. 
I'm a fat three O 8 or a light 

820
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,680
super heavyweight. 
I don't know what you call it, 

821
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480
right? 
I'm not hearing this fucking. 

822
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,360
It's hard to be a super 
heavyweight in head depth. 

823
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,160
It's not right. 
Sit your ass back. 

824
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Stop pushing your knees forward.
You're probably going to feel 

825
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,240
better for it too. 
Yeah, right. 

826
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,200
And it's it's difficult, man. 
Like it sucks because like you 

827
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,320
look at world records and like, 
you know, it's it's you look at 

828
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,640
certain world records that are 
standing right now, like within 

829
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,480
my weight class. 
And it's like, why the hell is 

830
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,760
out there, right? 
And and and then you look at the

831
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,920
other lifts later on in the day 
and it's like that total 

832
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,480
shouldn't count. 
You ramp your deadlift. 

833
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,440
Yeah. 
So why does I don't care if you 

834
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,960
squatted it, you didn't get a 
deadlift. 

835
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,200
I'm. 
So that's the nature of the 

836
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,880
sport, right? 
It doesn't matter if you scored 

837
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,080
40 points in the first quarter, 
you lost the game. 

838
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Yeah. 
And I think the standards in 

839
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,800
terms of like the other lifts 
too, or that's where it's like 

840
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,440
it's so much easier to just be 
consistent and correct with 

841
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,720
those standards. 
Like I guess like for like a raw

842
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:01,240
squat depth, like sometimes it's
so fast, like it might be close 

843
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,720
and you can't even fucking tell.
But a lockout is a lockout on 

844
00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:05,960
bench. 
A lockout is a lockout on 

845
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,120
deadlifts. 
Like if you can't see that, if 

846
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,880
you see soft knees or ramping or
like you said, soft elbows. 

847
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,480
And there's just so many things 
that are so obvious to be like, 

848
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,880
that's a red light. 
Why you give them a white light?

849
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Yeah, that's why I've been to 
joke about, you know, nerds. 

850
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,160
It's like, like, I, I mean, the 
easiest one that I can think of 

851
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
is like a levelling sense, like 
like basically checks off when 

852
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,600
you go, but then people are 
going to fuck with it and move 

853
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,360
it and like fuck with their 
singlet, you know what I mean? 

854
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,160
But like, fuck, there's got to 
be a way to like put a slow 

855
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,640
motion camera of you just to 
like check it or you know, I 

856
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,960
mean, or like some sort of 
review. 

857
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,440
I mean, the easiest thing to do 
is figure out a strategy and run

858
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,280
it as a shadow in the back while
you have your normal refs doing 

859
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,760
it and just see how it lines up 
with the calls. 

860
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,040
Agreed. 
Right, that might be the easiest

861
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,600
way to do it. 
You know, it's easy to sit here 

862
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,800
and bitch and not really have a 
good solution for it. 

863
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,240
It's more fun that way. 
It's a lot less stressful. 

864
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,520
That way. 
So I do have kind of a 

865
00:37:57,520 --> 00:37:59,640
counterpoint to the whole slow 
motion thing because that's 

866
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,960
something I've considered before
too. 

867
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
But at the same time, if you 
think about it and like just 

868
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,960
some sports in general, there's 
refs and sports and stuff. 

869
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,000
And we have our refs too. 
We don't have that review book 

870
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,480
and things like that where it's 
like, obviously if there's a 

871
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,360
holding call, you can throw the 
flag and get a penalty. 

872
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,120
But like in real time, like if 
you shouldn't, I saw a post or 

873
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,440
someone talking about like, oh, 
is this like their training is 

874
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,280
this deep enough or whatever and
they're slowing down their 

875
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,000
videos And like, that's not 
realistic. 

876
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,000
If you watch it in real time, 
like what a judge is going to 

877
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,120
see and they would pass that, 
then that's a good a good lift. 

878
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,280
If you're slowing down the lift,
you're kind of giving the judge 

879
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,840
a false sense of what they're 
actually seeing in real time. 

880
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Yeah, but you all put the 
counter to counter your counter.

881
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,200
All touchdowns are reviewed by 
an officiating committee in New 

882
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,840
York. 
Yeah, yes, all records. 

883
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,160
All records should be reviewed 
in my opinion. 

884
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,120
Now, here's the thing. 
People get pissed off. 

885
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,480
The powerless female you want 
guys, it's a free database. 

886
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,000
These are volunteers doing it 
for free. 

887
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,160
Shut up. 
It's not on them. 

888
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Yeah, right. 
To me, it's on the lifter. 

889
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,880
Right. 
You fucking know I'm sorry, you 

890
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
know, Right. 
Like even at that tune up meet 

891
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,080
that I did in Burlington, I 
didn't hype it up as much as I 

892
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,960
should have because I thought my
third deadlift was a shit 

893
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,680
lockout. 
I felt the bar slipping on my 

894
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,640
hand, right. 
I talked to the head judge about

895
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,000
it afterwards and he's like the 
knurling on the right side was 

896
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,880
completely worn off. 
Everybody was slipping on the 

897
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,440
right hand. 
It's why I was giving quick down

898
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,160
commands. 
He's like, so if you got up 

899
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,640
there under your own power, I'm 
giving it to you. 

900
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,720
I'm like, OK, that's fair. 
Yeah, If that was a world 

901
00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:27,760
record, I would have said fuck 
off, don't even look at me, 

902
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,640
right? 
It was only improving on my 

903
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,280
total by like 2 1/2 kilos. 
So I took it and to shut up. 

904
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,000
But that was any sort of, like, 
real record that was going to, 

905
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,040
like, be an issue. 
The answer is no, right. 

906
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,120
And we saw the USPC actually do 
that with the squat this year, 

907
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,160
right? 
They gave it to him on the day, 

908
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,680
let him celebrate and then went 
back and reviewed and said not 

909
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,680
good. 
Yeah. 

910
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Right. 
Was that the right thing to do? 

911
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,680
In hindsight, maybe. 
But it did create a precedent 

912
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,680
where we can now say, hey, like,
listen, here's camera angle that

913
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,240
shows it was way high. 
Or here's, you know, his ass 

914
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,240
coming, here's daylight under 
his ass on bench. 

915
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,080
All right. 
Well then you didn't get the 

916
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,360
lift unfortunately, right? 
Yeah, and I think there's so 

917
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,760
many like good opinions and 
there's so many different ways 

918
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,240
to approach it that it's like a 
I've just got I like to sit back

919
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,880
and kind of just absorb every 
everyone's opinions on it and 

920
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,400
try to it's like my opinions are
very fluid thing right now to 

921
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,760
where I haven't been in it long 
enough to kind of really set. 

922
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,120
Some people are like, all right,
you know what, whatever, let the

923
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,760
people squat high, have fun. 
People like, no, I want these 

924
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:26,600
strict standards. 
But those are also used to the 

925
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,480
people who are never be going to
be close to a record that 

926
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,280
matters. 
Yeah, I'm not trying to be. 

927
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:32,800
I'm really not trying to be an 
asshole. 

928
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,800
I'm not. 
But like when you put fucking 14

929
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,440
years of your life into 
something and somebody's pissing

930
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,600
on the foundational standards of
your sport, that'd be like, OK 

931
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,280
for you. 
For you. 

932
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,440
It's going to be just go to the 
end zone. 

933
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,960
I'm going to go to the five yard
line. 

934
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Cool. 
Yeah, no, like we both have to 

935
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,480
get across the line. 
And if, like, once again, we do 

936
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480
become about obsessed about the 
sport, you're going to track 

937
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,880
your nutrients, you're going to 
take things that are going to 

938
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,600
take years off your life. 
You're going to do all this 

939
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680
stuff, but you're not going to 
care about the standard of what 

940
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,160
you're doing. 
Like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 

941
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,440
There's nobody in my circle that
squats high, right? 

942
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,920
And it's not because I'm like, 
oh, you spot high. 

943
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,320
I don't want to talk to you. 
No, it's because if you're going

944
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,600
to dedicate that much to your 
life and not give a fuck about 

945
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,640
the standard, I'm, I'm worried 
about the rest of your life. 

946
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,720
I don't. 
I don't want to be near it to be

947
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:23,600
real. 
Yeah, it does definitely have 

948
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,240
some more kind of like bigger 
picture things of like are if 

949
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,680
they're letting them, if they're
not being disciplined in this 

950
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,880
aspect, like where else are they
slipping up in their life? 

951
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,720
Yeah. 
I mean, I posted about it after,

952
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,640
you know, that one particular 
record that was taken back by 

953
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,120
the USPC and it gained a lot of 
traction. 

954
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,360
That's not why I posting 
something. 

955
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,720
I just sometimes I just post 
things though, thinking I get a 

956
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,360
lot of shit. 
They come down pretty quickly 

957
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,920
because I smack on the back of 
the head for my wife, who's my 

958
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,480
quality control department 
sometimes, you know, but it was 

959
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,480
just one of those things where I
think it resonated with a lot of

960
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,000
people because it is, it is 
frustrating. 

961
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,760
I don't, I don't, I don't think 
anybody can disagree. 

962
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,960
It's not even the people who are
squatting. 

963
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:01,920
I can't disagree. 
That's not frustrating, you 

964
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:06,480
know, or whatever roundings the,
the, the, the standards, right, 

965
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,240
But I don't know if there's 
going to be a fix. 

966
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,120
I don't think we're big enough 
for there to be in a matter for 

967
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
there to be a fix because I 
mean, if we really want to talk 

968
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,960
about it, go look at, you know, 
the IPF. 

969
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:22,640
You know, I think I didn't watch
all of it, so whatever. 

970
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440
But I saw a lot of clips at 
Sheffield's of like really poor 

971
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,440
lockouts last year on deadlifts,
right? 

972
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,800
These guys are supposed to be 
the guys who, you know, hold the

973
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,560
standard, right? 
And even they're doing it. 

974
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,320
So it's like, what's what's 
gonna give, right? 

975
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,840
Or is it one of those things 
where, like in a hockey game, 

976
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,080
you know, we're just gonna let 
them play, right? 

977
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,040
You slashed me, my buddy slashed
your buddy even. 

978
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Don't worry about it. 
So if everybody's, it just needs

979
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,920
to be consistent. 100% 
consistency like. 

980
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,800
This what the standard is, just 
keep it consistent right? 

981
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,320
Yeah. 
And I think that's something 

982
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,000
that comes up a lot with us in 
the multiply. 

983
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,400
It's what's going to be the 
standard of this meet. 

984
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,800
And like at the end of like, 
yeah, there's some bigger 

985
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,520
picture issues there. 
But at the end of the day that 

986
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,680
that's all that should matter in
that in that lifters thing. 

987
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Like if I'm going to meet where 
a 2 inch squat, 2 inch high 

988
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,400
squat's going to pass, why the 
fuck wouldn't I squat 2 inches 

989
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,560
high? 
I'm just being you're just, 

990
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,600
you're just taking away from 
your own total at that point. 

991
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,920
Yeah, well, especially in the 
confines that meet and like, I 

992
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,080
think that's the one cool thing 
is like, you know, and not to 

993
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,800
ride them too much, but like 
with ABS, right, they're really 

994
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,560
big on the. 
This is a competitive day. 

995
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,960
Yeah, right. 
And they even tell you, like, 

996
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,080
when you stop, you're not going 
to probably have your best total

997
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080
here. 
The meats can be done in three 

998
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,200
hours. 
Yeah, right. 

999
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,840
We're going to staple your ass. 
You know, I walk in there being 

1000
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,480
like, good, bring the tough 
judging on. 

1001
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,120
I don't care, right. 
And then all of a sudden I'm 

1002
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,360
sitting with my opener and I'm 
there for five seconds waiting 

1003
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:42,840
for a start command. 
Like, did she already say it? 

1004
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,320
Did I miss it? 
Right. 

1005
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:46,800
Then I hear I'm like, oh, let's 
go, right. 

1006
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,720
And I'm like, hey, what was why 
did that start command take so 

1007
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:51,200
long? 
Like, oh, we saw you shaking a 

1008
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,280
little bit. 
Shit. 

1009
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,640
All right, OK, here we go. 
Let's figure this one out, boys.

1010
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:58,040
Right. 
So now I'm like holding my start

1011
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,760
command for seven seconds before
I start my set just to be ready 

1012
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
for it, right? 
Because for me, I'd rather be 

1013
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,320
that way. 
That's a personal thing. 

1014
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:10,960
I don't expect everybody to hold
that same anal retentive view, I

1015
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,280
guess, you know, but that's 
where I am, right? 

1016
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,280
And I, I can't expect other 
people to follow it all the 

1017
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,080
time. 
And that's why, you know, I'll 

1018
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,920
spell it off those standards 
once in a while. 

1019
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:20,800
And I'm kind of shut my mouth 
again because I'm like, I can't 

1020
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,880
change everybody. 
I'll just, you know, be a good 

1021
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,720
influence within my sphere and 
hopefully you know enough people

1022
00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,400
listen. 
Yeah, and I think that's what 

1023
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,120
the at the end of the day with 
the professional athletes like 

1024
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
you just adjust whatever it is. 
If it's more strict, all right, 

1025
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,920
lower your opener, whatever. 
Yeah, bury it. 

1026
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,600
Fucking hold it. 
Whatever you need to do, adjust 

1027
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,120
to it. 
If the standards are a little 

1028
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,320
bit loose, cool. 
Go for an extra dump that you 

1029
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,600
maybe didn't think you're going 
to have that day. 

1030
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Because at the end of the day, 
we're trying to get the biggest 

1031
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,080
toll we can. 
If we're at a competitive meet 

1032
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,520
where there's prize money or 
title or belt or whatever the 

1033
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,200
fuck you, you want to get the 
win. 

1034
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,120
So it's like just adjust to what
you have. 

1035
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,840
Well, I even remember I was out 
of I'm not going to say what 

1036
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,720
meet it was, but there was a lot
of equipped lifters there and 

1037
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,840
and Greeno was in there and a 
squat passed and I was I was 

1038
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,080
taking my lifter. 
She was like 4 lifters out and 

1039
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,400
so like she was kind of just in 
her like getting ready zone. 

1040
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,960
And my wife and I, we coach, you
know, we have our team, we coach

1041
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,240
all of our athletes together. 
So Elaine was dealing with her 

1042
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:19,360
because she's not a big like 
ragey brouhaha, you know, kick 

1043
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:20,920
down the door and get them type 
of person. 

1044
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,760
So I just kind of go shut up 
because I don't know what that's

1045
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
like. 
And I was watching this girl 

1046
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,400
squat and like I swear to God, 
she squatted like 3 inches high.

1047
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,000
I saw. 
I shook my head and turned back 

1048
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,360
and looked at Sarah. 
And also I hear good lift and I 

1049
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,640
guess my I don't have a very 
good poker face, so I don't 

1050
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,960
play. 
I guess it just red on my face 

1051
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,160
and Greeno just walked by and 
like lifted my chin up. 

1052
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,520
He's like, he's like not here. 
He's like just don't do it here.

1053
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,520
I'm like, I'm like, that's 
normal here. 

1054
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,080
He's like, Yep, OK, all right, 
this is what it is. 

1055
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,920
And I looked at Sarah and I'm 
like, you squat to death. 

1056
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,520
No bullshit, right? 
Not on this team. 

1057
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:58,040
And she did, obviously. 
But you know, it's, it happens, 

1058
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,080
man. 
And I mean, the other thing too,

1059
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,320
right? 
A certain point, like I have to 

1060
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:05,360
think to myself, like, is it 
hypocritical to say it's OK for 

1061
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,760
the beginners to do it? 
You know, like, hey, man, hey, 

1062
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,240
hey, somebody's mom, good for 
you. 

1063
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:13,040
Come out and squat. 
It's all good, You know what I 

1064
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,160
mean? 
I think being the line of the 

1065
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,360
standards, just records. 
If it's a record, it should be 

1066
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,200
undeniable. 
Yeah, I think that's right. 

1067
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,080
They can get a little muddy in 
the stuff where it's like you 

1068
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,520
want people to stay in the sport
and have fun and not it to be 

1069
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,040
like super hard ass. 
But when, like you said, it's a 

1070
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,120
record or like one of these top 
level meets, like an ABS meter, 

1071
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,480
like the the WPO for and hold 
your the stuff for equipped. 

1072
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,680
Like you want good standards 
because this is the best of the 

1073
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,360
best competing. 
And you want not only to have it

1074
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,360
be undeniable for any of the 
people lifting, but just for 

1075
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,840
people that are watching it 
being like, oh, this is what 

1076
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
powerlifting is. 
This is the standard you have to

1077
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,560
hit. 
I was head judge in the local 

1078
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:54,360
meet recently and people are 
getting off because I was I was 

1079
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,560
getting the press commands and 
people are getting off the bench

1080
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,400
and looking at me and I'm like, 
go back and watch your video. 

1081
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,480
Wasn't motionless. 
I don't even like looking at 

1082
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:01,320
them. 
Like I don't even care. 

1083
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,640
I don't care. 
Like it was bouncing. 

1084
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Fuck off, right? 
But there's this, like, girl 

1085
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,080
that was benching, and she was, 
like, 11 years old, and she, 

1086
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,160
like, jumped her press command. 
I saw her ask him off, and I saw

1087
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,760
her feet go up, and she got it. 
And I was, like, flicked the 

1088
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,560
white light on. 
And both side judges gave them 

1089
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,000
bread and stared at me. 
I'm like, I'm sorry. 

1090
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,480
I just really wanted her to get 
it, you know? 

1091
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
He's brand new to the sport. 
I want her to keep doing it, you

1092
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,360
know? 
And they kind of looked like 

1093
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:25,280
Justin. 
I know. 

1094
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,640
Thank you. 
You did the right thing. 

1095
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,960
I'm sorry. 
I, like, I flicked it to red, 

1096
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,200
like, shame. 
Like, shamefully afterwards, I'm

1097
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,040
like, yeah, fucking wrong light.
My bad. 

1098
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:33,280
Yeah. 
I mean, because at the end of 

1099
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,640
the day, we're all humans and 
we're all like we're we're still

1100
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,360
supporting people. 
Like, yeah, it's competition, 

1101
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,320
but like we've all set with pile
of things. 

1102
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,600
So one of the only sports where 
you actually want the person 

1103
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,240
you're competing against to 
like, outlift you. 

1104
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,960
And and generally man like what 
what an excellent point. 

1105
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,760
Like it is frustrating, you 
know, because you'll see it at 

1106
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,920
the bed meets right. 
I can't specifically speak to 

1107
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,680
the women's side of things 
because I'm not, you know, 

1108
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,680
personally a lifter in that side
of things with the men. 

1109
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,560
You know, I think back to the 
American Pro too, you know, and 

1110
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,200
just, you know, we're in the 
warm up room and it's, you know,

1111
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,640
it's me, Phil and, you know, Pat
McGuire. 

1112
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,000
And we're kind of sitting there 
and kind of owning 1 monolith 

1113
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,240
kind of looking at each other. 
And we're almost all doing the 

1114
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,120
spider man thing. 
Like you go first because we're 

1115
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,760
just being polite. 
We're like, oh man, no, you go, 

1116
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,960
I've been in my raps for 10 
minutes. 

1117
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,360
No worries, buddy. 
You go, I got this. 

1118
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,680
I'm sure my pinky toe will 
reattach later. 

1119
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,200
You know, and it took Shane 
Howard to be like, OK, Justin, 

1120
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,560
you're going and then Pat's 
going and then and then and then

1121
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,400
you're going, you're going, 
Phil, you know, and then we're 

1122
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,480
in the warm up room. 
And I even remember in the bench

1123
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,680
press, I was sitting there and 
like I said, we talked about a 

1124
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,040
very disproportionately low 
bench and Chad Penson does not. 

1125
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,840
And he was, you know, I was, I 
was opening after that. 

1126
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,680
I'm like, yeah, I got him. 
Fuck you, Chad. 220 LB dude 

1127
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,440
fucks, you know, and and you're 
sitting there and all of a 

1128
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:47,320
sudden look at the start order 
after, you know, the weigh 

1129
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,760
insurance are done and he's 
after me and I'm like, if you 

1130
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,280
change your fucking bench. 
And he's like, yeah, I did. 

1131
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,760
And I'm like, so I'm the fat 
chick in the group. 

1132
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,920
This. 
And by the way, this is all 

1133
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,960
right before we're about to take
our opening benches and you 

1134
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,600
think we're all sitting there, 
you know, chewing bricks and, 

1135
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:04,640
you know, head butting each 
other. 

1136
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,360
And we're all sitting. 
So I'm the fat chick in the 

1137
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:07,320
group. 
And he's like, what do you mean?

1138
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,680
I'm like, so I'm gonna come out 
pissed off, 310 fucking pounds, 

1139
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,200
right? 
And I'm gonna bench. 

1140
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,360
I'll be like angry. 
I'm gonna bench it and then here

1141
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,720
comes your skinny ass looking 
hot as shit, doing more right? 

1142
00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:22,720
We're all just sitting there 
laughing. 

1143
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,040
We're all cheering on each 
other. 

1144
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,120
And even think back to ABS this 
year. 

1145
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,880
Like I said, I burned out really
bad. 

1146
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,600
I felt really guilty spending 
all this money, taking this time

1147
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,360
off work, missing time with my 
daughter. 

1148
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,080
And I'm kind of sit in the 
backroom and in the back and I'm

1149
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:38,840
just trying to process and 
figure out. 

1150
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,800
And, you know, my team knows to 
kind of just let me do that when

1151
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,640
I need it. 
You don't. 

1152
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,840
And before it used to be super, 
you know, toxic and, and, and 

1153
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,320
unhealthy. 
And now it's kind of turned into

1154
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,440
like a, hey, let's find some 
grace and give it to herself as 

1155
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,120
best we can. 
And, and I, I feel like chicks, 

1156
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,240
I can't remember his name. 
And I and I and I should have 

1157
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200
got his name in that moment 
taking a picture with him and 

1158
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,440
he's a Polish lifter and he saw 
that I was just destroyed, 

1159
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,280
right? 
Because at that time going into 

1160
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,640
that meat, let's just think 
about right, I just squat 1000 

1161
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,520
cage. 
I just blew up a 545 LB bench 

1162
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,480
and training and I made my PR 
double 343 lbs look like a joke 

1163
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,120
on a platform. 
So for all intents and purposes,

1164
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,440
I'm chasing the world record 
total, right? 

1165
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,120
I think it was ten, 25562 and 
881. 

1166
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,520
And it was all reasonable based 
on those lifts, not on, you 

1167
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,960
know, everything else. 
And I sat there, I was just so 

1168
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,480
just pissed with myself and 
upset and gutted and embarrassed

1169
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,200
and all these emotions. 
And there's this Polish lifter 

1170
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,000
who barely spoke English, you 
know, And I apologize if you 

1171
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,240
think he's speaking a good 
English. 

1172
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:41,560
I'm retarded. 
I'm sorry. 

1173
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,680
And he just pulled up a chair 
and he sat it right in front of 

1174
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:45,920
me in the backroom where I'll 
sleep in your own. 

1175
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,560
And he just looked at me and 
said, I'm not leaving until I 

1176
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:53,040
see you smile, you know? 
And it took me selfishly a while

1177
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:56,040
to do that for him. 
But that was another lifter who 

1178
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,000
we met two days prior at 
Williams, you know, giving me 

1179
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,640
that grace, telling me that came
in. 

1180
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,800
Still big fans still appreciate 
you and these lifters, they all 

1181
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,800
take care of each other. 
I think about when I tried, I'm 

1182
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,760
an idiot. 
And I tried cutting 40 lbs. 

1183
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:15,320
Oh God, I'd get down to 275 cuz 
last year in the winter I had 

1184
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,320
squatted 900 lbs in sleeves and 
I was super sick and I had all 

1185
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,040
these reasons why it was so much
harder. 

1186
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,760
I put myself through so much 
worse and I'm like, hey, don't 

1187
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,280
be really smart. 
Let's fly to Miami. 

1188
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:31,520
Cut 40 lbs to try to take the 
275 world record bombed out. 

1189
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Yeah, and I just remember, you 
know, Craig and and Shane and 

1190
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,280
Pat and all these guys just like
going up to my wife and being 

1191
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,720
like, hey, like if he needs 
anything like this is where 

1192
00:51:43,720 --> 00:51:46,080
we're going to be tonight. 
We want them there. 

1193
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,400
We're not going to bug them 
right now because we're the last

1194
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,400
people he probably wants to see.
And they are the ones who are 

1195
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,800
checking in on me. 
These are my fellow competitors.

1196
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,840
And that's when I talked about 
earlier about the community 

1197
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,360
being such a wonderful thing. 
These are lifetime friends. 

1198
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,600
Some people to the outside like,
oh, man, you know, it's probably

1199
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,360
like the WWE, They probably hate
each other. 

1200
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,560
It's like, Nah, man. 
It's actually like the WWD. 

1201
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,920
We're all friends in the 
backroom. 

1202
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,040
Yeah, you know, And it's such a 
beautiful thing, man. 

1203
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Yeah, and that's the that's the 
shit you remember in 

1204
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,560
powerlifting. 
That's those are the moments you

1205
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:16,840
remember. 
You'll remember that guy from 

1206
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,920
that meet more than you're going
to remember any lift in your 

1207
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,080
whole career. 
I even remember the first ghost 

1208
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,080
clash I had messaged Dan Bell 
earlier in the year. 

1209
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,360
I'm like, hey, man, there's this
particular big meet. 

1210
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,840
Let's do it again. 
He's like, no, fuck that bitch. 

1211
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,240
Let's go do ghost clash. 
And I'm like, I didn't get 

1212
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:34,480
invited. 
He's like, dude, shut up. 

1213
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,000
Give me a minute. 
And also, you know, the meat 

1214
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,920
director was messaging like, 
Hey, you're inviting 

1215
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,160
congratulations, right? 
And and so I'm like, great. 

1216
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,720
So I was prepping for it and 
then my my wife left, right. 

1217
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:45,640
And I was kind of like done. 
I was lost. 

1218
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,760
So I didn't know what the hell 
was going on and and I wasn't 

1219
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,160
going to do it. 
And A and A and a friend of mine

1220
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:55,000
was like, so hold up, Justin, 
just just bear with me here. 

1221
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,200
You're not going to arguably the
biggest meet in the world this 

1222
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,080
year. 
That Dan Bell person, not you 

1223
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:04,360
invited to because your feelings
are hurt, right? 

1224
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,920
They're like, either you buy the
plane ticket or I'm going to 

1225
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,720
right now. 
And so I ended up going and I'll

1226
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:11,240
be real with you. 
I went there with the idea like 

1227
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,120
this in my last meet, kind of 
exit gracefully focus on being a

1228
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,320
single dad, you know, do all 
that stuff. 

1229
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,200
And I go through the day and 
everybody's super kind and 

1230
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,600
supportive. 
And I didn't really take it in 

1231
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,560
at the time, but I watched my 
warm up videos back afterwards 

1232
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,920
through that kind of, you know, 
you know, that's that lens of 

1233
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,800
time, you know, and I was kind 
of watching the warm up after 

1234
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,320
and every single one of my 
warmups, either Shane Pat or Dan

1235
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Bell was spotting me. 
Dan wouldn't let anybody else go

1236
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,360
near me. 
He took care of me that whole 

1237
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,720
time. 
And I I didn't have a great 

1238
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:46,960
meet. 
I had this idea that I was going

1239
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,080
to beat Shane Hunt head to head 
dumb. 

1240
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:52,800
I light up all my thirds to meet
him, even though I had no 

1241
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:57,720
business doing them dumb. 
Went like 6 for 9:00, but I left

1242
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:00,600
and I'm like, it wasn't being 
good apparel thing that I loved.

1243
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,000
It was these people, these are 
big dudes like Shane took the 

1244
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,200
world record that day, but he 
was, I never met him before. 

1245
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,920
I never met Pat before either. 
But there they were making sure 

1246
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,520
this nobody from Canada who's 
feeling through her was taken 

1247
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,760
care of on their day, right? 
And that's how it is. 

1248
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,840
And I wish, I genuinely wish 
more of the public and more of 

1249
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,640
the upcoming lifters could see 
that because I think we've both 

1250
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,920
seen it more often than not at 
these local meets. 

1251
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,680
People are starting to shooting 
darts at each other across the 

1252
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,240
room and it's like y'all 
fighting over 440 lbs clock, 

1253
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,760
Shut the fuck up, right? 
Like if we can do it at 1000 lbs

1254
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,400
you could do it at £400. 
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. 

1255
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,360
But I I think let's let's flip 
the script here because I know 

1256
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,840
you said it's OK to be an 
asshole when you peek. 

1257
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,080
So let's unpack that and what 
what you mean by that. 

1258
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,000
No, you asked what I what I what
a what a myth was I wanted to 

1259
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,520
bump. 
It's not OK to be an asshole 

1260
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,840
when you peek. 
OK, I've been I've been both 

1261
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,520
sides of it, right? 
I've been listen, we we talked 

1262
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,280
about it off off camera earlier.
Not going to get into it, but we

1263
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,160
both know there's very good 
reasons for me to be an asshole 

1264
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:01,520
early on, right? 
Yeah, sorry. 

1265
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,720
Not good reasons. 
Dumb reasons. 

1266
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,560
Very dumb reasons that made 
sense. 

1267
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,040
Why I was an asshole, right, 
Correct. 

1268
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,320
I think a lot of people decide 
like, hey man, I'm going to 

1269
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,440
blast this compound. 
It's a four letter word. 

1270
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:15,360
Not going to say it bad for you 
guys. 

1271
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,840
Don't do it. 
And like, oh, I'm on it. 

1272
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:23,040
So that's why I'm angry. 
It's like, yes, you willingly 

1273
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,760
put a substance in your body 
that altered your hormonal 

1274
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,480
balance. 
That's not a free ticket to be 

1275
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,600
an asshole. 
That's the same logic. 

1276
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,280
Genuinely that well, it's OK. 
Got in the car crash. 

1277
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,720
I was drunk. 
Yeah. 

1278
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,560
No, it it's not you willingly 
did the thing that that made you

1279
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,400
that and people want to do that.
Now listen, am I, am I going to 

1280
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,960
sit here and tell you that I'm 
perfect and prep? 

1281
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,760
I got 30 people in my gym, 
probably more. 

1282
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,320
And a wife will tell you, no, I 
can be prickly, right? 

1283
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,240
But you have to understand that 
and talk yourself through that, 

1284
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,080
right? 
And give yourself mechanisms 

1285
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,680
with the people around you were 
like, hey, man, listen, if you 

1286
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,360
see me kind of like getting read
today, just you have the right 

1287
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,000
to tell me to shut the fuck up. 
You have the right to tell me to

1288
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,880
take a walk, right? 
And I tell it to every personal 

1289
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,480
gym, Like if I'm being a little 
bit, you know, frustrated or 

1290
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,680
whatever it might be, or, you 
know, life's getting to me and 

1291
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:16,320
I'm doing this, you have the 
genuine right to just tell me to

1292
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,840
F off, right? 
Go for a walk, right? 

1293
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,400
And I've gotten better and 
better. 

1294
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,120
It's a, it's a much bigger 
difference from, you know, where

1295
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,040
I was back then to now. 
And it's going to be a bigger 

1296
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,160
difference moving forward, 
right? 

1297
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,920
Just because you're on gear does
not give you a license to be a 

1298
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,960
raging Dick. 
Just because you squat 1000 lbs 

1299
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,440
doesn't mean you have a license 
to be a raging Dick. 

1300
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,960
You don't, right? 
We're all people. 

1301
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,960
My time on the platform is just 
as valuable as somebody's mom's 

1302
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,720
time on the platform, right? 
Don't get it twisted. 

1303
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:50,920
We all pay the same gym 
membership, right? 

1304
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,280
You're not. 
Just because you're a national 

1305
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,840
level or a world record holding,
or heaven forbid, A federation 

1306
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,320
record holding powerlifter does 
not mean you're some God. 

1307
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:06,480
That is, you know, alleviated 
from following the rules of 

1308
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,160
being a decent person. 
Yeah, and like you said with 

1309
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,440
like obviously the the compounds
and stuff have have an effect on

1310
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:13,840
your mental state. 
But at the end of the day, like 

1311
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:15,280
you still need to be a good 
person. 

1312
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,080
And if you look at the best 
lifters, like Dan Bell is a 

1313
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:20,160
perfect example, one of the 
greatest lifters of all time, 

1314
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,880
one of the nicest guys of all 
time. 

1315
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,600
He's not a Dick. 
He has no ego, he's good out. 

1316
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,800
He can outlift fucking everybody
and their mother. 

1317
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Like it doesn't matter. 
But that's the thing, right? 

1318
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,800
Like, it's one thing for you to 
say like, and that's why I don't

1319
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,200
genuinely say I'm the greatest 
Canadian parlor for of all time 

1320
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,840
because I think that's honor 
other people's bestow upon you, 

1321
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,120
right? 
You don't hear John Hack saying 

1322
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,480
it. 
You'd never heard Dan saying it,

1323
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:43,760
right? 
You just don't. 

1324
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,880
And you know who hasn't said 
more about them than anyone? 

1325
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,160
Those two guys, because they've,
I don't think they've ever said 

1326
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,680
the words, right? 
Maybe once themselves quietly. 

1327
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,920
And I'm sure they both probably 
felt shame when they said it, 

1328
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,880
right. 
But there's more people who will

1329
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,440
go, even though Colton's, you 
know, stronger than Dan is right

1330
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,200
now, right? 
There's more people who will 

1331
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,240
make the argument for Dan than 
will Colton, right. 

1332
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,000
And it's because who Dan is as a
person. 

1333
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,120
Yeah, right. 
We talked about it off screen. 

1334
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,680
Dan did a lot for me, you know, 
even though we never really 

1335
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,840
physically met, but online when 
I was a nobody and he was the 

1336
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,160
kid, like he took time out of 
his life to make sure I was OK, 

1337
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,200
right? 
And I'm sure there's countless 

1338
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,080
other people have that exact 
same experience with Dan, right?

1339
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,240
And that's something that I 
think we can all take a look at 

1340
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,480
and say, hey, man, and I try to 
too now, right? 

1341
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:31,720
A lot of people message me. 
A lot of people call me at weird

1342
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,760
hours tonight going through 
stuff. 

1343
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,120
I always pick up the phone 
because Dan did it for me, 

1344
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,040
right? 
And I think we need to keep that

1345
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,520
going moving forward, right? 
Your Instagram likes, your 

1346
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,560
YouTube videos, your Tik Toks. 
I don't think Vines around, but 

1347
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,680
if that is that right, that's 
all cool and shit. 

1348
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,280
And that's a cool way to get 
sponsors and to like remember, 

1349
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:51,960
because at the end of the day, I
think it's kind of cool that we 

1350
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,440
can remember the stuff forever, 
right? 

1351
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:54,920
We don't we're not like our 
parents. 

1352
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,560
We have to look at pictures. 
We can go back and hear and see 

1353
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,280
the moment that we're looking 
at, right? 

1354
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,880
I think that's really cool thing
about Instagram. 

1355
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,080
That's why I post what I post 
cuz I'm gonna one day I'm gonna 

1356
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,040
be old as shit and I'll be like 
to my daughters boyfriend one 

1357
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,280
day. 
You think you're tough? 

1358
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,840
Oh hold please. 
Or you think you're tough. 

1359
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,200
Let me show you her step moms 
bench press. 

1360
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:20,280
Yeah, £300, that's a cool thing,
but I think at the other day we 

1361
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,800
need to remember like, hey, 
let's take care of the next guys

1362
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,800
because I have experience that I
didn't have back then that Dan 

1363
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,680
did and now it's time to pass it
on. 

1364
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,680
Yeah, and kind of on a deeper 
scale, that's kind of why I 

1365
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,040
started this podcast. 
It's like, I want this to be a 

1366
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,640
lesson. 
I want people to know these 

1367
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,080
people's stories and how to be a
top level lifter, but also be a 

1368
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:39,160
good person at the end of the 
day. 

1369
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:41,280
And yeah, it's cool to hear 
people's numbers and their 

1370
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,000
experiences and stuff, but when 
you kind of give all these top 

1371
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,640
level lifters their personality,
you get to really see what's 

1372
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,400
kind of behind the curtain. 
And I'm very selective on who I 

1373
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,200
invite on the show because I 
have a good read on people I can

1374
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,680
tell who I want to have on the 
show. 

1375
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,920
Like there's some people that 
yeah, cool, they may be top ten,

1376
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,440
they might be one of the best 
and maybe sponsored athletes. 

1377
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,000
But like, I know who they are. 
I don't want them on the show. 

1378
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,480
I want people to learn from 
these people that are good 

1379
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,520
representatives of the sport. 
Well, I think you, I think we 

1380
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,400
find that more easily now more 
than ever really, if you think 

1381
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,000
about it like I look at me and 
it's fine that you said that 

1382
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,600
because on my team, right? 
I know that one day, right? 

1383
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,160
Well, probably my daughter's 
going to get married and she's 

1384
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,160
going to take some assholes last
name, right? 

1385
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,680
You probably never met another 
person with my last name before,

1386
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,160
right? 
My last name is most likely 

1387
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:35,080
going to die with me, right? 
So my legacy is my team. 

1388
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,760
I've rejected plenty of people 
that are incredibly strong 

1389
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,920
people from my team because 
like, let's say you message me 

1390
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:44,400
like, hey, man, I want to hop on
the team. 

1391
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,600
I'm going to go look at your 
posts. 

1392
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,600
I'm going to see the people you 
tagged. 

1393
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,600
I'm then going to message them 
and be like, do you vote for 

1394
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,280
him? 
And if the answer is no, Hey, 

1395
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,680
man, appreciate your 
application. 

1396
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,400
We don't have spots on the team 
right now. 

1397
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,560
Yeah, because my legacy is my 
team, my legacy is my lifting. 

1398
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:06,280
And I'd much rather be known as 
the coach than as the lifter who

1399
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,960
inspired people to help people 
get better. 

1400
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:09,760
Right. 
And that's a big thing. 

1401
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,920
Like I, it's funny, Like I'll be
at a strongman competition, 

1402
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,520
right? 
And I'll have athletes 

1403
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,520
competing. 
And if they're not doing an 

1404
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,040
event, the easiest place to find
is with all their wives. 

1405
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,000
Hey, how's he doing? 
How's he being at home? 

1406
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,000
Is he doing what he's supposed 
to be doing? 

1407
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,760
Good Awesome, thank you kindly. 
Right cuz if your shit and 

1408
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,080
listen you can twist this 
however you want. 

1409
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,400
If your shit ain't good at home,
it's not gonna be good on the 

1410
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:35,840
platform. 
Agreed. 

1411
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:36,480
Right. 
Yeah. 

1412
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,880
And if you want to use the 
reason of having a good home 

1413
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,200
life as a way, as a reason to be
good on the platform, I don't 

1414
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,000
care how you twist it, right. 
That's the argument of if you 

1415
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,680
feel good from charity, is it a 
good thing? 

1416
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,560
I don't give a shit. 
Be good at home, Right. 

1417
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,240
And the platform will, will, 
will follow. 

1418
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,840
You could be good for a very 
short period of time. 

1419
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:56,480
I've done it when shit's really 
bad at home, but that burn is 

1420
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,400
real quick. 
Yeah, and it won't last. 

1421
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,360
I, I agree, and I think this is 
kind of we can kind of wrap 

1422
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,680
things up here cuz just one more
thing to touch on with that. 

1423
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,280
I think with the whole social 
media aspect, I've always said 

1424
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,000
it's very bittersweet thing for 
powerlifting. 

1425
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,840
Yes, it gives it more light, it 
gives it more attention and it 

1426
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,920
gives it kind of people get to 
see more and get more 

1427
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,160
experiences and there's more 
personality behind it than there

1428
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,040
used to be. 
Instead of just looking on 

1429
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,520
powerlifting, watching me like, 
oh, this guy does this, but now 

1430
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,160
you get to know, Oh, this guy 
has this team, he's friends with

1431
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,560
this guy, he's done these meets,
he's done this charity, he's 

1432
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,360
raised money, blah, blah, blah. 
But I think to wrap things up 

1433
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,600
here, I'll ask you my final 
question. 

1434
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:36,640
If you could give a new lifter 
or someone going to their first 

1435
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,240
ME to word of advice, what would
you tell them? 

1436
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,080
Delete Instagram. 
Sorry. 

1437
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:48,120
Yeah, if they're if, if I could 
figure out a way to like block 

1438
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,000
everything new with powerlifting
off of every one of my clients 

1439
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:52,680
phones, it would be the first 
thing I like. 

1440
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:56,880
If I got a genie right now, 
that'd probably be my second 

1441
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,800
wish, you know, the first. 
I can't say that that'd be 

1442
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,360
inappropriate. 
No, I'm kidding. 

1443
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:05,960
No, I mean the first one. 
The first one's an easy one. 

1444
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,200
Just get rid of you. 
Get rid of, you know, hate in 

1445
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,320
this world, to be honest with 
you. 

1446
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,640
Yeah, but it'd be pretty close 
up there because and and I think

1447
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,200
you're going to understand. 
I was saying this having been 

1448
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,200
this long enough when let's say 
you're losing weight, right? 

1449
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,120
You step on the scale in the 
morning, your weight went up, 

1450
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,400
your whole day's ruined, right? 
Like that. 

1451
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,720
That let that. 
Unfortunately, people get so 

1452
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,240
ingrained in that mentality of I
need to do this, this and this, 

1453
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,760
this and this when a small 
deviation happens or days 

1454
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,000
ruined, right? 
I see the same thing so many 

1455
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:34,720
times on powerless thing where 
I'll have this powerless. 

1456
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,800
I have a perfect example. 
I'm going to name drop you right

1457
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,800
now, Janet. 
Janet says awesome mom, she's 

1458
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,520
strong as shit. 
She benches like 240 lbs. 

1459
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:43,920
She's fucked. 
OK. 

1460
01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:45,600
I love her. 
She's great. 

1461
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,120
All right, I'm going to make fun
of you right now, Janet. 

1462
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,160
All right? 
She's getting ready for her 

1463
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,640
first powerlifting meet, and 
she's way up north like she is 

1464
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,440
in the sticks, OK. 
She, I'm surprised they have 

1465
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,840
cell phones up there. 
All right? 

1466
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,640
And she's trading this like, 
commercial gym. 

1467
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:02,360
And she was referred to me by 
another client. 

1468
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,480
And I had a message from a 
client who said, hey, Jan's 

1469
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,840
thinking about dropping out of 
the meat. 

1470
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,920
And at that point in time, I'm 
pretty sure, and I could be 

1471
01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:11,720
wrong, it was her. 
It was her first meet. 

1472
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,080
She is a master's lifter. 
Sorry. 

1473
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,000
And she was like, she was going 
to bench in the mid twos. 

1474
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,240
That's crazy. 
Squat like, and her deleter 

1475
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,000
squat were incredible. 
And it's because she was 

1476
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,680
thinking, I'm doing so bad 
because you lock on the Internet

1477
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,920
and all you see is 1,000,000 
people doing better than you. 

1478
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,880
Yeah, right. 
Stop comparing with other 

1479
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,920
people. 
Remember, this is your own 

1480
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:34,840
journey and it's a really cool 
journey. 

1481
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,560
Give yourself the grace. 
You know, you could say 01 day, 

1482
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,120
I want to squat 1000 lbs, so I'm
only at four, OK, But when you 

1483
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,840
squat 440, it's still a big 
deal. 

1484
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:45,360
Give yourself that grace. 
Stop comparing to others, Right?

1485
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,880
And just focus on you. 
Get off social media so much. 

1486
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,160
Focus on you and it'd be way 
more fun. 

1487
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,600
Yeah, couldn't agree more with 
you. 

1488
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,920
Well, I wanted to thank you 
again for taking the time to 

1489
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:55,840
come on. 
It was my pleasure. 

1490
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:58,600
Absolutely me too man, I really 
appreciate it. 

1491
01:04:58,840 --> 01:04:59,000
Sweet.