1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,920 Grab your pre workout and turn up that volume. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:06,040 It is time for a new episode of the Power Lifters Den with your 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,280 host Cam Smith. So Power Lifters Den family want 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,200 to wrap the podcast and look good while doing it? 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Check out my official merch store at PL. den dot company dot 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:17,720 site. We've got Tees, hoodies, 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,920 beanies, hats and more and gear that'll keep you motivated in 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,400 and out of the gym. 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So to get started, I love 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,640 getting a background on kind of where everyone came from, from 22 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:04,640 how they they started into how they got into the platform. 23 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,160 So I know for you, you had a sports background as well as 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:08,840 kind of grew up in that farm life. 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,320 So maybe tell us about how that kind of got you from basically 26 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:15,000 starting out in a pile of thing to where you are now? 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Yeah, so I grew, I played sports, you know, from I could 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,440 barely walk. I was always active. 29 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,880 And then growing up on my family farm too, like just doing tours 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,680 and whatnot. I developed musculature really 31 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:33,880 early in life, especially for a female high primary sports where 32 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,280 soccer, softball and volleyball. Dabbled in that throughout high 33 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,600 school and whatnot. Started strength training 34 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:45,600 training in 8th grade and then throughout high school went and 35 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:47,800 played at the collegiate level, played volleyball for four 36 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,840 years. And then when I was actually 37 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,600 freshman in college, but my strength and conditioning coach 38 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,640 was like, oh, I've never, I only know what person that has bigger 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,880 cats than me. Her name's Laura Phillips. 40 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,320 I'm like, who's this lady? Like there's no way. 41 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,080 And then I looked Laura up. So when I was a freshman, I'm 42 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,680 like, you're right. Her cats are bigger than mine. 43 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,120 And so, like, you know, graduate college started, you need 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,760 something to do. Really kind of lost my identity 45 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,640 of like, who am I? What am I doing here? 46 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:19,680 And then I started just training again at a small gym in 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,800 Sharonville, met my husband, who had been competing in 48 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,640 powerlifting for two or three years and started training with 49 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:29,600 him more consistently. And I was actually like, oh, 50 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,560 he's like, you're pretty strong. And then he did our program from 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,400 there. And I just did my first meet in 52 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,840 2020. That's how I kind of got got 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,160 hooked into the powerlifting realm. 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,840 Yeah, so I know a lot of people kind of either find powerlifting 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,520 just randomly or a lot of people come from a a sports background 56 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:46,760 and a lot of collegiate athletes. 57 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,960 So I think everyone gets a different perspective of 58 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,480 powerlifting kind of coming into it. 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,560 So for me, I learned a lot of discipline and regiment through 60 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,160 football and things. So what are some of the things 61 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,000 that you took from your sports life into powerlifting? 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,680 Yeah, in that regard, I would say like the routine and 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,560 regimen, you know, getting up early, making sure I have doing 64 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,600 the things that are priority, whether I'm nutrition wise, 65 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,560 recovering, doing what I need to do in out of the gym, whether 66 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,120 it's sports specific or even like training wise, strength and 67 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,080 conditioning or even like in injury prevention stuff. 68 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,360 Those were those were big, especially on my rest days, like 69 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,800 doing the things that I needed to do so I could be able to 70 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,880 perform at that level. Yeah, and then as far as 71 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,960 competing itself too, I know that you kind of stumbled onto 72 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 into Laura's world and now you're kind of looking into 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,480 trying to be her total. So what's it been like working 74 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,000 with Laura? Obviously many people have been 75 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,720 on the podcast that have been coached by her. 76 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,240 She's obviously a very influential person in the sport 77 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,920 so I like to get everyone's kind of perspective of their 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,480 relationship with her. Yeah, I am. 79 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,120 So when I was, because my husband for the first year, I 80 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,640 reached out to Alice McDonald, who she and I actually went to 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,600 college together. She had recently transitioned to 82 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,760 training with Laura. I was like, is she like, how is 83 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,240 she? Like she's in the area I'm 84 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,000 thinking I'm wanting to take this to the next level. 85 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,240 Like, you know, I know you're start with her, but how do you 86 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,640 feel about her? And Alice was like, she's pretty 87 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,120 cool. She's not that scary. 88 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,519 And I was like, all right, I'll message her. 89 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:24,840 And her husband was actually connered in the same meet that I 90 00:04:24,840 --> 00:04:29,800 was doing. So I was able to just, she was 91 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,800 there, she helped supported me, helped me like warm up my jump 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,160 selection. She just kind of jumped head on 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,680 into helping me and which was absolutely awesome. 94 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,040 And then I was kind of, you know, history from there. 95 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,600 I did start out with raw with her. 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:48,120 So Alistair and I were both primarily her individual, like 97 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 raw, raw individuals at that time. 98 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,600 But you know, Laura's great. She's a great coach, remote, let 99 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,960 alone having your having the opportunity to transcend a 100 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,400 person is just like a whole new level. 101 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,000 Yeah. And as far as kind of your 102 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,680 transition in the gear, was that something you you found just 103 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,800 generally easier just because of obviously having an athletic 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,400 background or is this something that you think would have been 105 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,000 more difficult if you didn't have Laura with you? 106 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,640 I think it absolutely would have been significantly more 107 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,160 difficult. When I I remember the first day 108 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,920 even like went to sweatshop, I was she's like, hey, come out, 109 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,960 let's train one day. You can train with Jenny and 110 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,920 Whitaker and Alex Donald, which if you're in the powerlifting 111 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,560 realm, you're like Jenny and Whitaker. 112 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,800 OK, like I guess I'll go have later embarrassed myself. 113 00:05:31,280 --> 00:05:36,160 It was a reverse band deadlift with a reverse minis and I 114 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,120 remember like I was like, oh, I'm here, this is this is 115 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,760 happening. And I was able to hang right 116 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,640 with them. At the time I was competing at 117 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:50,800 165 and it was it was kind of crazy and I was able to stick 118 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,840 with them and basically I think I even petition uphold them that 119 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,680 day, which was even sillier. And I was like, oh, I can hang 120 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,000 here. This is this is good. 121 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Accessories were great. And then Laura's like, hey, come 122 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,360 back like on Wednesday, like if you want to come like one or two 123 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,680 days a week, you know, we'll see if we'll see how things go. 124 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,520 I can kind of help you with like box wash your Max efforts, stuff 125 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,280 like that. And from there, I was kind of 126 00:06:15,280 --> 00:06:17,560 taken under the wing by Sarah Buckley and Katie Brandt, like, 127 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,520 hey, you're kind of strong. You want to stay with us, which 128 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:21,880 they were multiplied at the time. 129 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,280 And so I was doing my raw stuff and then they were in their 130 00:06:26,280 --> 00:06:32,360 multiplies gear and whatnot. And then my next two preps, I 131 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,680 was still raw. And then I was like, well, I 132 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,080 think I'm going to get a pair of fruits just to do speed lower. 133 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Does it kind of help save my hips? 134 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,120 I was like, I'm only going to box squat in them. 135 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,720 I'm not going to deadlift in them just solely for box squats. 136 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,160 And then, you know, I did one meet like that and meet prep 137 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,560 like that. And there's like kind of history 138 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,880 from there. I got my shirt. 139 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,400 I got a shirt for the first time, touched 365 to A1 board. 140 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,960 I was like, oh this is cool. This is neat. 141 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Yeah, it's it's something that like basically once you put on 142 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,000 your first pair of briefs, it's it's there's no going back. 143 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,240 Like you might still compete raw but you you get bit by that bog 144 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,280 if like I could stay to this day out of anything and geared 145 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,080 lifting just squatting and briefs and wraps has to be my 146 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:17,000 favorite thing. I would agree, but my favorite, 147 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,760 my favorite variation. I love a bench shirt. 148 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Anything benching, I just love like I'm just like this is this 149 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,600 is sick. I like the like going to that 150 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,600 dark place and just like hang on tight because you just got to be 151 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,320 super patient. Like the same with briefs and 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,200 rats where it's just kind of kind of lean into the darkness a 153 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,800 little bit and just like be extra patient because there's no 154 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,520 other rush like it. Yeah, and I think that's 155 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,640 something that why I try to push like even raw people, even if 156 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,840 they just want to stay competing raw to like got to get into the 157 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,280 things. And you learn a lot about 158 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,920 yourself how much you can kind of handle. 159 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,520 And obviously the the stimulus you get from the overload is 160 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,320 going to translate back to raw because a prime example is my 161 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,240 raw bench went up like 50 lbs just from one training cycle in 162 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,760 the gear. Absolutely. 163 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,360 Yeah. And then as far as competing in 164 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,120 the gear, when was your first multiply meet? 165 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:10,520 It was in I believe 2003. I did north of border, so I 166 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,600 didn't travel for I didn't travel for that one. 167 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,240 That was my first one. I went. 168 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,240 I think I weighed in like 170 lbs. 169 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Like it was fun. I was like, my only goal going 170 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,720 to that meet was just not to bomb. 171 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,760 Yep, that should be everyone's first goal like. 172 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,280 That was just, it was literally to only get a total. 173 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,800 That was it. We did have like no numbers in 174 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,039 mind. We're just going to kind of see 175 00:08:32,039 --> 00:08:35,600 baseline kind of where we're at and just to get a total. 176 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,640 You know, I think I was really set up for success in that realm 177 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:42,400 where we didn't rush too much too fast. 178 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,160 It wasn't so much like a strength issue as it was like 179 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,240 learning the gear, learning how to use the gear, and really 180 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,560 being comfortable in the gear. Yeah. 181 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:54,560 And I think this kind of segues into the being caught up in 182 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:57,160 numbers talk that you mentioned in your questionnaire. 183 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,880 It's kind of something that if you could almost go into a meet 184 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,000 with the beginners mindset of like, I'm just here to get a 185 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,360 total. I'm just going to do the lift 186 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,560 instead of kind of worrying about what kind of adjustments 187 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:08,520 you have to make to hit these certain numbers and stuff. 188 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,720 Like you take away so much pressure on yourself. 189 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,200 That's why what if like I had the same goal my first meet and 190 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,440 I went very well. So I think trying to get that 191 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,680 mindset of not necessarily chasing the numbers or being 192 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:23,920 like, OK, maybe you're 1m away from this gold number, so. 193 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,800 Because right, it's, I mean, it's a slippery slope. 194 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,840 And I know especially training of kind of like pushing the 195 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,560 envelope. I learned especially probably 196 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:35,120 within the last year, like, you know, things I'm getting pretty 197 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,880 close to some numbers. And it's like, I'm like, let's 198 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,480 let's see what I got today. Like I feel good. 199 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,640 Everything's even good. And I'm like, can I do one more? 200 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,200 She's like, yeah, I'm like, OK. But then sometimes she's like, 201 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,800 no, feel like save it. It's so early. 202 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,840 But it's kind of learning when to push and when to kind of hold 203 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,800 back a little bit, you know, to get, it's a give and take. 204 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,600 Like it's early on a prep. I'm going to save a jump or 205 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,800 sometimes I can be more aggressive early on and then, 206 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:04,880 you know, I'll save a jump or two towards the end of prep. 207 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:09,040 So I'm just like, I either need to smoke it or if I make it 208 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,680 harder than need be, I'm going to, it's going to take longer 209 00:10:10,680 --> 00:10:12,960 for me to recover and then everything else is going to 210 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:13,760 suffer. Yeah. 211 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,400 Then when it kind of like comes to meet day, like I would say in 212 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,680 general, I'm way less of a head case than I used to be. 213 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:21,440 But in terms of like all the numbers and all like the math 214 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,600 and like, what do I need to do on this bench if I miss this 215 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,760 squad and like getting all wrapped up in that? 216 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,200 It's like putting extra stress on yourself when you don't need 217 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,160 to do that, especially if you have a coach that you're 218 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 literally paying to do that. Yeah, I know. 219 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,560 The biggest thing for her, she just wants to have a good day. 220 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,880 Whether we have numbers in mind, like, you know, this is fun. 221 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,880 We get to do this. Like in the end, the day like 222 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,600 this is this is supposed to be fun. 223 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,240 It's a big thing that she kind of reiterates. 224 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,560 Yeah. And then as far as like kind of 225 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,160 the mindset of meet day, obviously everyone has their own 226 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:54,600 rituals, their own things like that. 227 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:58,280 But something that you notice among the professionals is there 228 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,960 a lot more calm, cool and collected? 229 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,080 They're hanging out, they're having fun and warmups. 230 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,800 They're not necessarily like headphones on, super serious. 231 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,680 So I think being able to like kind of turn it on when it's 232 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,360 time to go to the platform is something that you learn along 233 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,600 the way. So as far as your meat day, what 234 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,040 are some of the things that you do to kind of stay focused? 235 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,440 So I know. So even pre meat like the night 236 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,120 prior, my last meal is always a filet. 237 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,720 Yellow potatoes and asparagus. Yeah, every, every single time. 238 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,520 It doesn't matter if we're traveling, we kind of make it 239 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:29,840 happen. So at least some type of red 240 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,840 meat, potatoes and a vegetable, like that's every single time. 241 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:35,720 And then we end the night with ice cream. 242 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,160 That's just kind of what I do Meat day. 243 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,200 I always shower the morning of. I'm kind of crazy in the realm 244 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,120 of even if I'm the last fight, I'm going to be one of the first 245 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,080 people at the video. I just, I just need to go. 246 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,200 I need to settle in just kind of Mosey around and then I'm in 247 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,840 between attempts. My husband, he it would make him 248 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,480 so mad in between attempts. I would actually be yawning in 249 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,320 between attempts. He's like, are you going to wake 250 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,720 up? I'm like, I'm all right, I'm OK. 251 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,720 I'm like, I'm just hanging out. So it's funny in that realm that 252 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,960 I'm able to just kind of like shut it off and completely. 253 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,560 I just try to relax and kind of just in between. 254 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,200 Yeah. And I think that's something 255 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,080 that in terms of like, I guess like the the science behind it 256 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,720 is like when you when you got to get raise your heart rate to go 257 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,720 out for an attempt. Like after that attempt, you 258 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:34,760 want to bring it right back down. 259 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,320 You want to kind of reset like each attempt at its own thing. 260 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,320 You don't want to like build up your heart rate, build up your 261 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,160 tension, build up your stress for each attempt because by the 262 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,760 time you get the deadlift, half the time we don't want to even 263 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,520 be there anyways because we're exhausted. 264 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,960 So if you just compound that, you're going to miss your 265 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 second, third, even your opener. Yeah, I know, like I can kind of 266 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:00,520 tell especially, you know, the first squat is like it's the 267 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:04,360 most nerve wracking thing. Like I'm just like once you get 268 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,360 the first squat in, you're like, oh, I can, I can breathe. 269 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,440 We're good. Like it's going to be a good 270 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,400 day. And I know after the first 271 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,560 squat, if I'm still pretty antsy and kind of flighty, I'm like, 272 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,000 I'm going to have to really, really like try to down regulate 273 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,200 myself actively, you know? And it's just kind of like 274 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,400 learning that and practicing that even like in the meat prior 275 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,920 to the meat day. Yeah. 276 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:27,880 And. That's one of the quirks of 277 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,400 multiply, like for raw, if you're opener move slow, like 278 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,000 you're kind of you're kind of fucked for the day for the most 279 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,000 part. But if you're you're opener and 280 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,240 multiply move slow, like it could straight up just be from 281 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,880 all the nerves. You change your technique just a 282 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,360 little bit and then you get it and you're like all right, time 283 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,000 to reset. Then you smoke your second. 284 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,520 I think that's what early on, you know, I heard someone say 285 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,840 like multiply is what you can do raw. 286 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,680 Think once you put multiply like a magnifying glass, like every 287 00:13:53,680 --> 00:13:56,040 little imbalance that you have or weakness, it's going to be 288 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,960 magnified intensely. And you know, even if it's like 289 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,200 you set up like your foot, your foot angle is off by 1/2 an 290 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,680 inch. It's going to kind of make a 291 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:07,880 break whether your pick's good or not. 292 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,360 If you're able to sit back and actually hinge and load the 293 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,560 gear, like something that small can make or break a lift, yeah. 294 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:18,000 And for, and that's why I like one of the biggest things for 295 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,400 for multiply in general, single ply, any sort of equipped 296 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,960 lifting is the best way to get better at is time. 297 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,960 So for for you to have such a high total only been in it for a 298 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,280 few years. What are some of the maybe the 299 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,840 current struggles you have with the gear, some of the things 300 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:37,120 that you need to improve upon? I know for myself is that I was 301 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:42,800 really fortunate like I was, I started off and like especially 302 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,360 like deadlifts was probably the hardest transition for me. 303 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,600 It's because solely because of the straps I could pull raw. 304 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,040 I mean, I was a strong raw deadlifter. 305 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,960 I pulled low. I pulled 515 like low fives raw. 306 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,880 So you know, we you don't get a ton out of your deadlift suits. 307 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,000 So, you know, we didn't really know what to expect and we just 308 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,600 kind of winging it. But the straps are like they 309 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,520 still will give me, still give you the most kind of struggle of 310 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,560 like, am I pulling my chest through too soon or I'm not 311 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,400 pulling it? My chest through enough is like 312 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,160 the timing of everything because it's like, you know, you got to 313 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,040 shoot for the bar. But you're like, look, my hands 314 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,760 are the right spot. I guess it's too late. 315 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,840 I guess we're going to figure it out. 316 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:25,920 It's a, it's a, it's a trial on error. 317 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:27,920 But it's like once you shoot like you got to go. 318 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Yeah. And for me, that's something 319 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,520 that this prep like my deadlift has gone through the roof. 320 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,760 And because one day I was training, I was I was lifting, I 321 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,880 had the straps that I wasn't using, using the straps that 322 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:39,520 tight. Same with squat. 323 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,800 And then ski boat was like, all right, we're cranking the straps 324 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,360 now. So it happened. 325 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,520 And then I was going to deadlift. 326 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,080 I was like, I'm getting to the bar so easily. 327 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:47,520 Why aren't I tightening the straps? 328 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,600 As soon as I started tightening, I was like, all right, I can 329 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,520 still get to the bar relatively easy, but now the weights way 330 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,240 easier to pull. So that obviously helped with 331 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,120 getting stronger and stuff. But I went from pulling bra 332 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,520 conventional to sumo and I wasn't really using the gear. 333 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,280 I was basically just learning sumo, so when I went back to 334 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,400 raw, I really figured out the sumo pull itself. 335 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,640 And now that I'm in gear, I'm actually learning to use the 336 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,320 gear itself. And it's kind of exciting to see 337 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,360 like where my deadlifts going to be in the next year or so, yeah. 338 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,840 That's, that's like the exciting part. 339 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,920 I know I think the most challenging for me to was going 340 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,800 from like getting stronger, being OK with like, you know, 341 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,800 growing into a weight class where my leverage has changed. 342 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,440 And then so like my squats feeling so good. 343 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,680 My bench is feeling awesome. My dad feels like crap. 344 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,320 I'm like that. I can't get in position with 345 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,680 shit. Just like, you know, figuring 346 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,800 that out and figuring out my new leverage is a little bit that 347 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,680 has primarily been my biggest, I would say my one of my biggest 348 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,240 struggles, yeah. That's something that I'm trying 349 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,400 to fill out 275. I'm like 257 right now. 350 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,720 So obviously I got plenty of room to go and I'm hoping it 351 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:54,960 doesn't take a hit on my deadlift. 352 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,520 I think I might be able to get away with it just because of how 353 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,520 long my legs are. But I'm just really hoping I can 354 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,400 get some better leverages on bench because I got long. 355 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,880 Arms. Yeah, dude. 356 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:06,359 It's not. It's not good. 357 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:10,880 It's I know. Have you ever measured your like 358 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:12,720 arms fan like you're? Yeah. 359 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,720 It's like, I think it's like 6/5 or 6/4. 360 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,720 How tall are you? 6262? 361 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,680 Yeah, by but my hands, I'm 57, but I'm only 5 two. 362 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,880 And I know it's I don't look like they don't. 363 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,040 My arms don't look that long, which is kind of crazy, but I 364 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,040 just it's it's weird. It's, it's so weird how it works 365 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 out, yeah. So obviously you just compete at 366 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,520 the wins pro am Obviously we've had several people on about that 367 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:42,000 and it's still to this day one of my favorite meets a pile of 368 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,200 thing for multitude of reasons. I know you've done it a couple 369 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,600 times. So the times you've done it may 370 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,960 be your first time, your first experience with it with and then 371 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,160 kind of like the future of it. How What have been some of your 372 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:57,000 favorite moments in it? I started. 373 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,520 I'm trying to think we're my first 2021 was my first women's 374 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:07,000 pro am I was still doing it raw. It was I mean, you know, it was 375 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,640 it was wild. It was wild to see. 376 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,760 I've never been exposed to really multiply before, but 377 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,920 seeing how everyone support each other and the people from 378 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,040 amateur day came to pro day and just how everyone supported 379 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,320 everyone and it was like just awesome being under the same 380 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,840 roof and to see that kind of has grown over the past couple 381 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,960 years. It's even cooler like in the 382 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,720 setup, like Laura Hood like does an unreal job. 383 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,040 You know, she she puts her part and soul into the woman's 384 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,080 program. Like all the hard work and the 385 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,080 the background stuff like that. No one even knows about. 386 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,560 Like, like, it's, it's truly amazing and one-of-a-kind and 387 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,120 it's. And if you've ever been to a 388 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:47,040 women's program, like, it's, it's magical. 389 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,800 Like magical things happen at the women's program just because 390 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,320 the atmosphere itself. Yeah. 391 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:55,560 And I think I went last year and I went this year, and I think my 392 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,560 favorite moment, even though it was 3 misses, I think my 393 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:02,960 favorite part of the whole meet was you, Alex and Deanna's third 394 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,720 pole attempts. Because they were just, they 395 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,600 were like perfect attempts and they were just, they were all so 396 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,640 close and it was just insane to watch. 397 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,880 Yeah. That was It was similar this 398 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,280 year too, between last year and this year. 399 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,520 I think it was us three the last also. 400 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,280 And I think they were still for like all time world records and 401 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:26,200 we're all above 600 lbs. Like we're right on, you know, 402 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,720 especially Alice's the role after she's around the cusp of 403 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,080 that 600. It's it's crazy. 404 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,400 I think Laura in the next like a year or so is going to have a 405 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,000 handful of women that are pulling over six. 406 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,400 Like it was 500 was crazy before. 407 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,520 Like 600 is like the new norm. Yeah, it's crazy just how much 408 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,760 the totem pole shifts in the sport as a whole, but especially 409 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,560 in women's now because it's it's getting so much more traction. 410 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,240 It's bringing a lot more women to the sport that have these 411 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,600 great genetics and have these great drives and work ethics 412 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,400 that wouldn't know about the sport without people like you. 413 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,680 Which is even crazy even think about like I just, you know, I, 414 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,640 I put a lot of pressure on myself like that. 415 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,800 We're just having fun. But I think I was even showing 416 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,240 Jordan, she just posted like the women's like top five total and 417 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,920 whatnot. And I showed my husband look at 418 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,680 these names. Like look, I was like to think 419 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,760 like my name is kind of even the list of the top ten of the the 420 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,080 wrong with these women that have been competing in the past 20 421 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,440 years and they're safe. Like, you know, their numbers 422 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,040 still stand. It's it's mind blowing. 423 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,520 It really is. It's it's crazy to think about 424 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:35,480 of where, you know, we they were 20 years ago, even 10 years ago 425 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800 and where it's going to be the next 10 to 20 years. 426 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,280 Yeah. And as far as like the top five 427 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,760 and top 10s of like different weight classes or even just all 428 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,120 the time, you talk to these people and I feel like almost 429 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,960 everyone in this, this top 10% has such an like an imposter 430 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,200 syndrome of like they look around and like, whoa, I'm in 431 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,920 the same area as this person and they say the same thing about 432 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,680 the other person. So it's just it's just fun to 433 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,240 see people's perspective from that top five. 434 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Yeah, yeah. And it's even even, you know, 435 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,280 reflecting after the women spray on too. 436 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,960 Like not the day I wanted, but you know it. 437 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,160 Sometimes that's the way they called cars fall and that's OK. 438 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,440 But like still still say like looking back, I'm like, I was 439 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,240 being absolutely ridiculous. Like, Taylor, you had a bad day 440 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:24,840 and you still you still totaled like top like top three in your 441 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,880 weight class all time. And like, you know, simply stuff 442 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,120 like that. Like that's you're being 443 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,720 ridiculous, yeah. And as far as like the judging 444 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,560 and stuff goes, like obviously at a pro level meet like that, 445 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,200 it's it's strict, but and obviously people have complaints 446 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,240 and stuff, but we're not going to get into that because I don't 447 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,040 even like bothering to talk about it because I think if 448 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,920 you're a professional, you just have to make the adjustments and 449 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,320 people that kind of sit around and complain about maybe calls 450 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,480 that were questionable or honestly right and they just 451 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,000 don't want to admit it. I think that's something that 452 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,240 it's kind of a separator for between like a a professional 453 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800 and a rookie, even if they have a professional total. 454 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,040 I, I would agree. It's really kind of like 455 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,920 establishing that standard. You hold yourself to that 456 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,560 standard. If you are holding yourself to 457 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,480 that standard, it really should be, no doubt. 458 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,120 And I think that's where we're lucky to have Laura because 459 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,080 she's she's she's she's rough on us, man. 460 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,240 She has no problem burying us, you know? 461 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,360 And she'll she'll be the first to tell you. 462 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,880 She's like, I'm like, I was there. 463 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,680 She's like, no, OK. But that's where we're also 464 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,240 really lucky and fortunate, too. Yeah. 465 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,120 And I. Think that's why I think when 466 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,040 you have training crews that hold each other accountable in 467 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,560 that aspect when it comes to meet day. 468 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,880 And maybe you, you guys were training to like at depth and 469 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,720 then at the meet it has to be a little bit lower. 470 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,600 But you've been training to that strictness for a while that you 471 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,640 can make the adjustments and not let it completely ruin your day. 472 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,320 Yeah. Absolutely. 473 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,640 And be able to make that transition, like, OK, you went 474 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,640 one to three on squats, but that's what you still have to 475 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,320 bench. Yeah. 476 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,480 Like regardless, you're still in the meet. 477 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:03,720 You still have to put a total together. 478 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200 Yeah, and. Like for squats example, I just 479 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,040 pick an arbitrary number. Say you want say your goal with 480 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,760 1000 for the day, but you have to bury it. 481 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,200 Like, OK, just get in the mindset right away. 482 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,000 Like all right, maybe only 960 is going to be there today and 483 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,080 just adjust from there. Make the adjustments. 484 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,160 Still try to put together either PR total or when the meet if 485 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,640 there's money and things like that. 486 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,080 There's so many different variables that you have to 487 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,200 consider that you can't have your perfect day. 488 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,880 Yeah, and. That's the thing like where it 489 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,880 kind of came down, I think for me at the program too, like got 490 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,480 my opener, missed my second and I was like, OK, let's just 491 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,920 fucking send this. Let's just see. 492 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,440 And we're like, we'll we'll go, we'll go for that, we'll go for 493 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,240 it. And you know, still missed it. 494 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,960 But I'm like I took a chance. Like I was like I wanted to see 495 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,560 what like I wanted to know like even as a confidence, I'm like, 496 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,680 you know, I didn't get buried by it. 497 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,520 I didn't fold me. I just have to be more confident 498 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:04,520 and more patient, you know, like I think that does a lot also of 499 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,400 taking those chances, but you have to be OK with taking those 500 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,000 chances at the end of the day also. 501 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,480 Yeah, I. Totally agree if you like 502 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,160 especially multiply. Like no one goes 9 for 9 in a 503 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,840 multiply meet. Even if you are sandbagging all 504 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,320 your lifts like there's something going to go wrong at 505 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,280 least one of the lifts, it's almost a guarantee. 506 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Which I can't say much. This is the first time I've gone 507 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,040 less than 8 for 9 in a meet. What do you? 508 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,680 What's that? Go ahead. 509 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,120 What's the missed? Attempt usually. 510 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,960 They this is the first time I've missed a squad when I missed 2 511 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:48,160 at WPOI, missed a bench for my butt coming up and then and on 512 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,880 my opener and I was like we're going to go up anyway. 513 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,400 Yeah, I think the. Yeah. 514 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,080 As far as like the the whole discussion of like if someone 515 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,320 misses an opener, whether to go up or not, I always find that 516 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,080 something very funny and it's very coach dependent because I'm 517 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,120 in the mindset of like depending on what you missed it on. 518 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,080 If it's like obviously if you get buried by it, like take it 519 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,920 again. But if it's like you missed on 520 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,880 depth and you still smoked it or you got some stupid red light 521 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,480 for something like I'm in the mindset of just always go to 522 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,920 your next attempt. Like at that point you got to 523 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,800 get in the meat. And if it's not something that 524 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,000 is due to you being weak that day, then why not send it? 525 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,920 I think it does come to the level of the athlete though, 526 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,280 like if he's a beginner, like, you know, and we're just trying 527 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,720 to get a total like, hey, we take your opener. 528 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,720 Like we take your opener. If you miss, if it's technical, 529 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,520 even learning, like even if it's within your first year of 530 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,320 multiply, I think it's still going to be important. 531 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,600 Take the opener. Don't don't make the silly job. 532 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,000 Just get more confident with that weight and then and then 533 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,200 you can be more aggressive than your second if you want, but you 534 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,000 just you got to do it right. And that's not the biggest 535 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,680 thing. I think even making the decision 536 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,640 from missing my second slot, like, you know, Sarah Buckley 537 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:13,960 looked at me. She's like, we going to what do 538 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,000 we do? What are we going to do in the 539 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,240 gym? She's like, you're going to if 540 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,880 you get it right, you're going to get it. 541 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,080 She's like, but what we would we take we take it in the gym, 542 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,080 Like, what are we doing here? I'm like, all right, it's fine. 543 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,520 We'll we'll we'll take it. Get you out of your ass, Taylor. 544 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,320 Like we'll just do it right. Yeah. 545 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:30,280 And. That's I think it. 546 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,240 Comes with maturity of the lifter also, yeah. 547 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,160 And that's. Another thing with multiply 2 is 548 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,600 when it's when it's raw, you can just retake it and or you can 549 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,400 kind of open way lighter than you really need to to kind of 550 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,040 get yourself in the meat. But when it's multiply, like if 551 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,960 you go to light, then you can't get to depth. 552 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,720 You can't touch like it's it's such a you have such a smaller 553 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,960 window. They're right. 554 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,440 In that that Gray area, almost of like, OK, I know my bench, 555 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,040 this is the lightest I can touch. 556 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,200 But then it's like, can I hit depth with my squat? 557 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,960 I don't think, you know, it's a gamble. 558 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,920 Yeah, that's. One of the things with time in 559 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,760 the gear to like obviously a prime example is a shirt like if 560 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,280 you can't touch, obviously you're not getting a press. 561 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,800 So and some people their window of what they can touch to what 562 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,800 they can press is a lot shorter than some people who've been 563 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,360 doing it for years. I can bench 700 but can touch 564 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,160 with like 315. Like obviously the shirts tight 565 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,000 and whatever different variables like that, but and you can set 566 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,680 the shirt and stuff, but that that window is something that 567 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,960 you need to be able to adjust to because if you can only touch 568 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,120 485 and your Max is 550, like if you're having a bad day, you're 569 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:41,320 you're fucked. Yeah, there's, there's not a lot 570 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,200 of wiggle room for you, that's for sure. 571 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,080 Yeah. And obviously, I know you train 572 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,560 conjugate and that's something that I think isn't one of the 573 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,840 best methods to use. I'm a big conjugate fan. 574 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,080 Everyone in Multiply who's pretty much in that upper 575 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,120 echelon pretty much trains that in some sort of fashion. 576 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:01,680 So for you, when was your first experience of conjugate? 577 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,560 It was actually in college I changed the conditioning coach. 578 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,280 She actually helped Laura teach seminars specifically like the 579 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,520 conjugate side with CrossFit. So Christina Webb, she, you 580 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,320 know, I learned how to box squat and used AR when I was a 581 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,080 freshman in college. So I had four years of 582 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,480 experience of it was great. You know, we did box jumps on 583 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,720 our speed lowers days. I can jump out of the roof like 584 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,200 it was, I was just a super explosive athlete by nature and 585 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,920 I just even got even more explosive from it. 586 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,960 So that was kind of my first realm of conjugates. 587 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,120 I still really didn't know what it was until probably my junior 588 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,880 year of College of like, you know, what conjugate actually 589 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,600 was like the verbiage of it until, you know, my exercise 590 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 science classes and whatnot, and I was able to, like, learn and 591 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,040 deep dive more into it. Yeah. 592 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,280 As far as the explosiveness goes, I think that's something 593 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,960 that if you are an explosive athlete and then you kind of 594 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120 transition into multiply and you have to really learn that 595 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,000 slowing things down and that patience. 596 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,120 And you see, like, as you gain more experience in it, like 597 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,240 people like Christela 5 and Rupo and stuff where they're very 598 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,640 explosive athletes, but they're so good in the gear now that 599 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,920 they can still be explosive. But someone like me who's only 600 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,280 been doing it for a little bit, I have to be more patient out of 601 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,120 the whole life to be more patient with the touch. 602 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,880 And it's, it's something that kind of annoys me, to be honest, 603 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,840 because I'd like to use my explosiveness. 604 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,440 But obviously in the future, I'd like to get to that level to 605 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,120 where I can kind of bring that back. 606 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:35,280 Yeah. I. 607 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,600 Think that's mine. One of my biggest things is like 608 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,720 they're like make it move fast and I'm like making it move fast 609 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,400 for Taylor. I get out of control smooth. 610 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Smooth is fast for Taylor. Like if I can say patience they 611 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,360 and make it smooth, it's going to be really pretty. 612 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,880 When I start to get kind of like, oh, I just going to move 613 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,120 it fast. Like that's when things like 614 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,600 uncontrollable variables come out and I'm like, what? 615 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,560 I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but I think when I really 616 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,520 simplify, just keeping things smooth, things normally go, they 617 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,520 go a lot better. They go in my favor, yeah. 618 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:08,320 And once again, back to the bed shirt. 619 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,880 That's one thing. Like if you go too fast, you 620 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560 blast off your chest, you lose all your tricep in your shirt 621 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,520 and the next thing you know you're just sitting there 3 622 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,240 inches from walk out struggling. You're just like. 623 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,400 You're just like, you got death. Exactly. 624 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,160 You. Have nowhere to go, yeah. 625 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,840 And that's. One of the things that once you 626 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,640 you can adjust to and something that I'm not looking forward to 627 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,920 figuring out over the next few years. 628 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,400 But like I said before, it's something that takes time and so 629 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,240 I know you're hopping in a meet in the next few weeks as well. 630 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,200 Obviously it's kind of a quick turn around. 631 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400 So for you, what are some of the goals kind of going into this 632 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,120 meet? This me, I'm the plan. 633 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,880 I'm just going like a three 181. I will. 634 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,200 I don't know, I'm just going to have fun. 635 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400 I'm really not putting any expectation on myself. 636 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,520 Of course, in the back of my mind I do have some numbers, but 637 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,960 you know, that is kind of it is what it is. 638 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,360 I'm just going to go have fun. Try to put a put a day together, 639 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,720 put a good day together. Ultimately, I would like to, you 640 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,480 know, maybe press the steel a little bit on submit 181 641 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,080 records, But you just you honestly never know till meet 642 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,520 day. Yeah, you you haven't you really 643 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,760 generally don't know till meet day. 644 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,960 You got the most perfect prep and then meet day it just 645 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760 crumbles, Yeah. Or the complete opposite. 646 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:26,600 Yeah. Or yeah. 647 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,640 Or you can have an absolute awful meat prep and your things 648 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,440 are just like you're like, wow. And that's how it normally has 649 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,080 been for me. I've yet to have a phenomenal 650 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,800 meat prep. But, you know, sometimes that's 651 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,520 just the way way it works out. Yeah. 652 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,880 And I'm kind of in that same boat. 653 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,600 I wouldn't say necessarily had a bad prep, but I think it kind of 654 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,560 depends on it's very athlete dependent too. 655 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,520 Like generally speaking, I'm I'm someone that performs better 656 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,080 like a game day scenario than a practice scenario. 657 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:54,720 Obviously a training session practice. 658 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,960 So definitely. A gamer? 659 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,120 I am definitely a gamer, yeah. And I think that comes down to 660 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,000 obviously how you recover and stuff during AD load, but it 661 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,400 comes down to the mindset of the person. 662 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,080 That's kind of what we were talking about before, about not 663 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840 being taking yourself too seriously, not focusing on too 664 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,800 much of the day, like take the day you have. 665 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,440 And it's it's, I know it's significantly easier said than 666 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,760 it's done. Like I really need to practice 667 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,640 what I preach. I know there's sometimes that 668 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,280 like Laura and my husband might can shake me, but I'm almost 669 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,600 like it's. And then they this is fun. 670 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,440 It's fun. It's a hobby. 671 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,920 Like, you know, this, we got to do something, do something 672 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,040 really cool. Yeah. 673 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,600 Besides competing, what are some of your other involvements in 674 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,640 powerlifting, whether it's coaching, spotting and loading, 675 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,200 judging, anything like that? Then I also want to help with 676 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,120 north of border, like behind the scenes and stuff like that, just 677 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,040 wherever they're needed, like spotted and loaning. 678 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,720 And then I help with one of my training partners, Zach Prefitt. 679 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,000 He, he and I coach a Special Olympics for like Hamilton 680 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,520 County or I guess it's Butler County. 681 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,160 But we have a team about 8 athletes that, you know, we 682 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,080 practice once a week and then about once, sometimes twice a 683 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,760 month. We do, we travel and do 684 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,040 powerlifting meetings with them. It's a special only, but I mean, 685 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,760 it's it's a ton of fun. Why is there? 686 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,200 No squat. I actually don't know why there 687 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,640 isn't. I think it's more so for like 688 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,560 risk of injury and whatnot. There are meats that some of 689 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,480 them do that are sanctioned. They'll do. 690 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,600 They'll do all three lifts, but primarily the Special Olympics 691 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,040 is just a question press a venture deadlift. 692 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,600 Yeah. So I'm sure working with these 693 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,840 athletes, obviously you're going to get a different perspective 694 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,920 of powerlifting. So maybe tell us about some of 695 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,600 your experiences kind of working with that and kind of maybe some 696 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,720 of the things that you learned that you'd like to see more in 697 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,880 the in our powerlifting culture, I think. 698 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,920 The amount of support that they have for each other is unreal. 699 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,840 They can walk in a room and they make friends automatically, no 700 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,240 matter what their differences is and whatnot, but they the amount 701 00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,600 of support and yelling and cheering they have for one each 702 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,000 other. They miss a lift like, you know, 703 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,920 they're there's like at least five people want them. 704 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,320 Like, so you did a good job. You'll get it next time. 705 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:09,719 Like it's it's kind of surreal and they're absolutely like 706 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,600 there's the athletes are so funny. 707 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,520 They're absolutely. They're so funny and like, and I 708 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,040 think I had there's an athlete like last week at practice, he 709 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,400 he pulled like 335 and it was a grinder. 710 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,320 And he's like, that was easy. And I'm like, we're going to be 711 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,400 done for the day. Yeah, he's like, I think I have 712 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,360 one more. I'm like, we don't. 713 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,440 We're going to move on. Yeah. 714 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,960 And I think like you said, obviously the support you kind 715 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,840 of have from that group is is awesome. 716 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,840 And it's something that I think it's gotten better in 717 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,800 powerlifting, at least in my time, even just a few years I've 718 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,880 been here, I've seen obviously there's so many nice people and 719 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,080 so many great people in the sport. 720 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,920 And there's, there's a few bad apples here and there, 721 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,920 obviously. But generally speaking, I think 722 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,239 one of the best parts of powerlifting is the community 723 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,520 behind it. And everyone can tell you 724 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,760 they've made a friend in powerlifting and they've made, 725 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,720 whether it's on the Internet or at a meet or their training 726 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,600 partners, like there's so much more to it. 727 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,000 Yeah. And I think one of the biggest 728 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,160 takeaways also, besides the community aspect, is the 729 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,920 mentality that they, you know, they come in with an open mind. 730 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:13,880 Yeah, they're going to be nervous. 731 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,120 But having the ability like, oh, I can't do this. 732 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,560 Like I can, I can do way more than I thought I've been able to 733 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,760 do half the time, though, Like, so assholes on the bar, I'm 734 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,520 like, I'll tell you after, like, because if they get stuck on a 735 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160 number, like they're like they try, they make it harder. 736 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,800 And I'm like, you have no idea. Like, you know how much that 737 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,800 was? Like it was 285. 738 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,560 And he's like, excuse me? Like it's like it's fun. 739 00:35:34,240 --> 00:35:35,960 It's like, it's like it's a little gang to get to play with 740 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,080 them. Like you're like, we're going to 741 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:39,520 go up. But then sometimes like, it's, 742 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,200 it's just, it's so interesting and having the interaction 743 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,080 between them, but especially from a mentality standpoint, 744 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,400 like them being able to do more than they think they're able to 745 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,160 do. Yeah. 746 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960 And I think that's kind of something we could talk a little 747 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,800 bit about too. I like to do that sometimes 748 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,080 where I'm like, hey, just put the weight on the bar. 749 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,840 I don't care what it is. Tell me after, especially when 750 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,040 it's like one of those like a circum act or something, when 751 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,280 it's like you don't know what the AR is like, you don't get 752 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,920 caught up in what you're picking. 753 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,520 Just keep loading weight, figure it out after. 754 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,800 Be happy or be disappointed. But either way, like when you 755 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,680 kind of don't care about what you're lifting, you're just 756 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:19,680 going to execute how you need to execute, and then you're going 757 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,680 to perform way better than if, oh, all right, this is 1000. 758 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,120 This is really heavy. Then you get in your head and 759 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,880 then you do something wrong. Yeah, it's like just you just 760 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360 got to pick it up. That's what my husband does, is 761 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,960 just stop thinking about it. You just got to pick it up, 762 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,280 Taylor. And I'm like, all right, fine. 763 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,040 Yeah. One of my, one of my favorite 764 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,640 stories from that. Something that I like to do 765 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,360 sometimes too is like if if we're training, say someone's 766 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,440 going for a Max out while they're not looking, I'll throw 767 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,440 like a 2.5 on on each end and stuff and be like, hey, guess 768 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,920 what? I added some weight and they're 769 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000 like, oh, I didn't even notice. And it's like your mind is your 770 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,840 one of your biggest limiters. Absolutely. 771 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,320 I know because it, you know, sometimes you're, you're chasing 772 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,160 those numbers, a certain numbers like or variations, you're like, 773 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,240 OK, this is a good tell to kind of see, see where I'm at to 774 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:08,360 project actually like early on in meat prep or right before me 775 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,560 prep starts, you're like, this is this is kind of where we 776 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,880 should be at in the ballpark. But then it's also learning like 777 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,960 sometimes like you just don't go in with a number. 778 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200 You just have to. That's what I have today and 779 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,720 move on. I think that was the one of the 780 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:25,160 biggest learning lessons this past year. 781 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,200 Laura kind of been great with me. 782 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,200 She's like, you do your Max for what effort you have that day 783 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,240 and you live and for another day and just hit your accessories 784 00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:35,680 super hard because then, you know, the Max variation is just 785 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,440 a very minute aspect. You're just trying to get the 786 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:40,760 stimulus to get out. Yeah. 787 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,400 And that's one, one of the things I really like about 788 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,280 conjugate is you're changing variation so much and that even 789 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,880 something as small as if it's 10° colder in the gym, the bands 790 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,040 are going to be tighter that day. 791 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,000 Like it's something that you can't, you can obviously go for 792 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,280 like a 5 LB PR the last time he did it and things like that. 793 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,240 But the variables are always different. 794 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:02,680 So you don't need to worry about a gym lift like worry about what 795 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,040 you're going to hit on the platform and. 796 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,320 That's what's interesting too. I think it's just like taking 797 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,640 that, if you can take that 5 LB PR be done, like move on, you've 798 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,120 got the stimulus, just move on. You know, there's sometimes you 799 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,120 want to get greedy. And if it's, if the time's 800 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,080 right, the environment's there, the people are there, like 801 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,560 sounds like, Nah, we're going to, we're going to jump 30 lbs 802 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,880 again. We'll see what we'll find out. 803 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,520 And like, that's, that's what makes it fun, especially with 804 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,240 the crew especially you'd have like one or two people kind of 805 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,520 going back and forth. Yeah. 806 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,160 And that's one of the things with like the, the Max effort 807 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,320 days with the crew, it's as more of like a competition aspect 808 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,680 than anything. You're just trying to have fun, 809 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,600 you're trying to beat yourself. But the real work is the boring 810 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,600 shit, the the accessories, the recovery, the the sleep, the 811 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,840 hydration, all that shit that quite frankly no one really 812 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,000 wants to do. But that's what what it takes, 813 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,800 yeah. Yeah, for sure. 814 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,800 Yeah. Like obviously it would be nice 815 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,400 if we could just walk into the gym, hit a Max effort squat and 816 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,240 go home and add 50 lbs where I squat, but that's just not how 817 00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:01,000 it is. Where's the fun on? 818 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,040 That it's, it's interesting because like I, I of course 819 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,960 always love doing the Max effort variations, but I was going to 820 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,000 have a good pump, which is love a good pump, you know, just nice 821 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,040 and full. There's something better than 822 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,440 like a nice and full triceps. A tricep pump is just sick. 823 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,600 Like, you know, like who doesn't want jacked arms? 824 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:24,800 Yeah. And that's that's another thing 825 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,320 with some of the powers and culture, it's like they care 826 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,600 just obviously we care about our totals and our numbers. 827 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,760 But I mean, most of us started this to get big to look jacked 828 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,960 and like have fun and like you say, get a good pump. 829 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,520 So when there's there's some people out there that just 830 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,400 they'll come in, they'll do three sets of squats and three 831 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,480 sets of bench and no accessories and go home. 832 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,120 Like where the where's the fun in that? 833 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,640 Like, what are you doing? Like go get a pump look jacked. 834 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,560 Yeah. Exactly like that's. 835 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,920 That's also the fun part. Yeah, I think one of my favorite 836 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,920 things that Kevin Oakes said, he's like, I don't care about 837 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,120 being the £150 world champion if I don't look jacked. 838 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,040 Especially, I think that's the big aspect now that we're 839 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,440 starting to transition, is the athletes that also in better 840 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440 shape. They're performing at a whole 841 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,720 another level, which is really things starting to come to 842 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,680 light. I know like Jenna or Denza, 843 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,160 she's really big in conditioning. 844 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,600 Sarah Buckley and I like and Laura, we started doing this 845 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,920 like certain bike conditioning from a fellow out in California, 846 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,400 like it's it really takes it up a notch. 847 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,920 It really does recovery wise. You're able to down regulate 848 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,360 yourself like you're just it's a completely new level unlocked. 849 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,920 Yeah. It takes a step up from just 850 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,760 GPP. It's, it's so much more than 851 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,840 that. Like you look at some of the top 852 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,040 people in the sport right now and they actually look healthy. 853 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,160 They look strong. They they have ABS. 854 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,560 You look at someone like, like Phil Herndon, for example, like, 855 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,200 that man's a monster, and he's not a yeah, and he's not a 400 856 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,920 LB piece of shit that's like struggling to breathe after 857 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,560 squats. Like, yeah, it has so much more 858 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,920 performance. Like cardio is not bad for a 859 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,280 power lifter, No? Absolutely not if you're not, I 860 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,760 mean, if you're not doing some type of conditioning, like 861 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,720 you're kind of doing yourself harm, especially like you got to 862 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,000 be able to deadlift. Yeah. 863 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,040 I don't think people realize is like you still. 864 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,720 Yeah, it's only 9 lifts, but it's it's going to tell. 865 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,120 It's going to tell at the end of the day, yeah. 866 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,360 And that's kind of the difference maker too. 867 00:41:17,720 --> 00:41:19,720 Obviously you have like the deadlift specialist that'll come 868 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:22,520 in at the end of me and blow someone out of the water after 869 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,400 their subtotal was £300 less. But they come down to two. 870 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,280 Like say you have two equally strong people at the the the 871 00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,160 meat comes down to conditioning at that point. 872 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Yeah. And that's like, you know, like 873 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,760 why wouldn't you want that extra, especially if you could 874 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:42,640 get like the extra like 1 to 2%, like from a conditioning 875 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,800 standpoint to be able to translate that into strength, 876 00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,040 like, you know, that's that's a make or break, like if you're 877 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,840 going to get that last lift or not. 878 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:50,600 Yeah. And. 879 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,280 Especially at the like these pro meats and stuff that it comes to 880 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,560 a point where people are fighting for that 1%, that 2% 881 00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,680 boost and they often overlook something as simple as just 882 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,720 being in shape. And there's some people that 883 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,720 aren't even willing to commit to even grow. 884 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,400 They even started doing it like substantially it would increase 885 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,480 by an even larger percent. But it's just taking the 886 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,840 responsibility and I think and the opportunity to grow in that 887 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:19,880 aspect. Yeah. 888 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,640 And. Then I guess kind of on the flip 889 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,000 side, not necessarily obviously keep your your conditioning, 890 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,440 your health up, but as far as kind of like the idea of like 891 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,160 growing into your weight class. Like something like me, for 892 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,040 example, where I was at 2:42 and there was a little point where I 893 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,400 was kind of teetering that line of starting to cut. 894 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,520 But I'm still a young athlete and I wanted to grow into my 895 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,640 total. I wanted to grow into my frame. 896 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,800 And if I was stubborn and stuck at that 242, who knows like how 897 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,560 much I'd be suffering right now from it? 898 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,560 Yeah, absolutely. I'm kind of, you know, I and, 899 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,400 and we prep and like and and prep and offseason like I 900 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,840 fluctuate quite a bit because I do compete between 165 and 181. 901 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,720 I'll do one big cut a year. I try to only do one big cut a 902 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:10,040 year and then I'll go to 181. But I mean, you know, I walk 903 00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,800 around mid of high 180's especially like deep in meat 904 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,240 prep. Like do I love it? 905 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,080 No, but that's why I feel the strongest and but I know I make 906 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,880 that sacrifice like the custom be harder later in prep, yeah. 907 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,680 And I think the difference is too is like you said, you train 908 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,520 in the offseason at a heavier weight and when your body 909 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,320 adjusts to that, your your strengths goes through the roof. 910 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,440 So when you go to a cut, you're still going to be stronger than 911 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,120 you were if you were to just maintain your weight and not 912 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,240 make a big cut. Yeah, and I think it leads also 913 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,160 going back to the condition standpoint, if you're in better 914 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,000 shape, the cut and recomp is easier. 915 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,080 Yeah, you're able to just recomp a better. 916 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,280 And it is interesting to see different people cut at 917 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:53,320 different weight classes too, because you you have some people 918 00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,560 that are like 320 trying to cut to three O 8 and they're 919 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,560 struggling. Meanwhile you have some people 920 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,280 that are 18185 cutting to 165 and have no issues and. 921 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,400 I have been blessed. Yeah. 922 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,560 And I haven't. I don't know. 923 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,120 I'm. I'm kind of crazy for the test 924 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,040 that I've done. My biggest one was 1 from 193 to 925 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,120 165. Oh, wow, that was last program. 926 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960 You know, I tried to do again this year and I wasn't able to 927 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,840 get quite those last 4 lbs off. But sometimes that's I just 928 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,080 rolled that way, you know, But it's kind of, it is kind of 929 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,520 crazy. There are some freaks out there 930 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,320 that can do it, but there are people that can cut 8 lbs and 931 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,800 they just can't Recon from it too. 932 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,640 Yeah. So for you, what is kind of like 933 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,720 your your window of like pounds being able to cut before you 934 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,600 start seeing a hit in your performance? 935 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,120 Normally, I mean, I'm going to get, I've been able to get away 936 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,640 with about 22 lbs. Anything over 22 to 23. 937 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,720 I think it starts to get a little sketchy for me. 938 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,920 But I mean, that's still like a 13% weight cut, which is pretty, 939 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:05,120 pretty abnormal for sure. But even like this past meet, I 940 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,000 wouldn't say like, I'm not sure I could say, you know, because I 941 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,560 wasn't able to make the 165. But shrink was there. 942 00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,680 It would just didn't want to call curse netball. 943 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,240 But you know, it it sometimes it is what it is. 944 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,520 Yeah. So I guess kind of before we 945 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,200 wrap things up here as far as like the world of powerlifting, 946 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,360 what are some of the things that maybe you'd like to see change 947 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,640 or some of the issues you have with the current state of the 948 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,080 sport? I honestly like, you know, I 949 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,800 just I don't really pay attention to the noise. 950 00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,000 I'm just there to compete to be honest. 951 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,480 That's that's really I'm just there to have fun, put a total 952 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560 together. That's impressed the envelope a 953 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,240 little bit. I kind of really don't care 954 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,040 about the outside, outside noise. 955 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,080 It's just that's not really my realm. 956 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,440 To be honest. I really couldn't tell you what 957 00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:00,200 was going on, not going on because doesn't affect me. 958 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,000 I don't like, you know, at a sight out of minds, I just kind 959 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,480 of stay in my own lane. Yeah. 960 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,560 Yeah. And. 961 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,000 I think that's honestly, I wish that's something I could do. 962 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,920 I think doing something like this podcast is where it becomes 963 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,480 a blessing and curse because you learn so much about the world of 964 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,400 pile lifting to when you get to see someone that's like, hey, 965 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,240 I'm just here to compete. I'm here to have fun with my 966 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,240 friends. Like it's such a breath of fresh 967 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:25,000 air. Yeah, it's. 968 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,480 It's it's really unique, I would say, yeah. 969 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,120 So I think we can kind of wrap things up here. 970 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,440 So I'll ask you my final question. 971 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,240 If you could give a new power lifter or someone going into 972 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,400 their first meet a word of advice, what would you say? 973 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:39,440 Biggest things just be patient and have fun. 974 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,480 You know things don't happen overnight but just keep showing 975 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:44,880 up is the biggest thing. Yep. 976 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,160 I think you got to play the long game in the sport. 977 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,560 This is not a sport where you're only in it for, well, some 978 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,560 people are only in the first few years, but I think the people 979 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,040 that are patient, take their time with it instead of blowing 980 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,200 their load too early are the ones that rise to the top. 981 00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:00,360 Absolutely. Yeah, Well. 982 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,240 I want to thank you again for taking the time to come on. 983 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:03,800 It was my pleasure. Yeah. 984 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,760 Thanks for having me.