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Amanda, can we get into some 
con? 

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Talk. 
You made the trip over the pond 

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for 1/3 time 79th Con Film 
Festival. 

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How was your time in France? 
It was mixed man. 

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It was mixed. 
I was telling you earlier, I had

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some like weird occurrences on 
my first day there that then had

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me spending three days re 
evaluating like 5 years of my 

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life trying to in the beauty. 
And then I was like, I'm gonna 

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go swim my problems away. 
And they're like Madame, the 

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wave's too big. 
And I was like, I can handle it.

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And they're like Madame no. 
And I'm like, you're not even a 

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lifeguard. 
And they're like Madame No, it's

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like fine. 
Stop trying to stop my good 

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time. 
Exactly. 

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And then like a lot of the 
movies kind of sucked for a 

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while to depend or like some of 
them I didn't even see. 

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I just started hearing some of 
them were stuck and I was like, 

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I'm just gonna read on my 
balcony then. 

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And I did that instead. 
That seems to have been the 

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general consensus that this was 
a bit of a down year at Con. 

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Maybe not banger after banger, 
but you know, it's the Con Film 

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Festival, so you're always going
to see some good stuff. 

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Yeah, I will say I ended on the 
highest of high notes. 

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There was a movie going into the
festival that like the more I 

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read about it, just like kind of
like with the description of the

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movie was I was like, I think 
this might be the one. 

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So that was the one that I 
booked as many different 

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screenings of it as I could to 
make sure that I would see it. 

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And I made it. 
I chose to make it rather than 

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trying to wake up at 8:30 to see
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I chose to make it my final 
watch and it was everything I 

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needed. 
La Bola negra, everything I 

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needed. 
Amazing. 

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I've heard nothing but great 
things about this damn movie. 

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Dude, I'm telling you, I'm 
watching it and I'm like doing a

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decent job holding in some 
emotions as it's going. 

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But like I'm the second the 
credits hit, I just feel the 

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warmth coming down my face and 
I'm just sitting there wading 

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through the credits. 
Whereas I'm talking some of the 

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other movies of this festival. 
I was like, Get Me Out of here. 

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Like the second it's I'm like, 
Get Me Out of here. 

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I'm like running. 
I am gone. 

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I'm like, I'm so sorry. 
I'm running by people that made 

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this movie. 
I'm I'm out of here. 

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I can't do it. 
I've been I can't. 

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I've been already. 
And that's the thing. 

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Some of them were long bad 
movies. 

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I'm like, I'm out. 
But that movie, I was like a. 

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Minute memo from South by. 
Yeah, two hour 40 minute movie 

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at con. 
Some of them were three hours 

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and 430 minutes. 
Man, like they were long. 

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I I was hearing thinking about 
this like it was 2019 Film 

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Festival. 
Parasite Portrait of a Lady on 

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Fire was out. 
People, it kind of. 

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Feels buzzing. 
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You might want. 
To oversell it because maybe 

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yeah, for Bola Negra and I don't
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some people aren't going to 
connect with it the same way. 

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But it's just this like 
beautiful story that's like kind

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of doing like a mildly revision 
it like a what if take on like a

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real thing that happened in 
history and blending these 

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different pieces of history 
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people at different points in 
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intersect. 
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its fiction and some of its 
reality and the importance of 

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that and the importance of 
living it kind of like it almost

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gets a little TV glow at times 
where it's the the like you only

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have one life to live, so you 
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And then like if you don't like 
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It's really beautiful. 
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talking about it. 
It's like a really beautiful 

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movie. 
And I needed that. 

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I was like I need something to 
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And I heard this is written and 
directed by a former romantic 

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pair who have since broke up. 
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Interesting little subplot 
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Why? 
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Arturo penélope Cruz, Glenn 
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movie. 
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Fire. 
That's not leads. 

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None of them are leads, but 
they're important. 

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Penelope's no, yeah, none of 
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just kind of bop in. 
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in the longest or like, maybe 
has the most impact in my 

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opinion of them. 
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really beautiful, really good. 
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premiere and things, as far as 
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David Ehrlich getting thrown in 
horny jail. 

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Yeah. 
Art. 

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Do you see this whole thing on 
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I was at that screen with the 
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I put out the PSA stop this and 
bonk him. 

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You know the only thing. 
Only thing crazier than caring 

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about putting him in horny jail 
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horny Jill David Ehrlich, writer
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Like that is a pretty niche 
thing to have spent your weekend

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on going. 
We're going. 

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To tear this guy down for being 
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Schoenbrun for saying free David
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To the point of view. 
Obviously, random Twitter users 

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know users know better than Jane
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their movies. 
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went all the way back to bring 
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Johansson one for whatever it 
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Was it wasn't lost in 
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It was lost in translation 
'cause I guess he went on her 

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butt or something like that. 
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Was like damn the movie 
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butt. 
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His writing has also gotten has 
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And I think a big part of it was
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give horny jail reviews and who 
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And also just the realm of like 
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was like your peers with they 
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things and then kind of 
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goes with that. 
If he's friends with them, then 

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wouldn't that also just like you
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to each other. 
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like, if they're friends, then 
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you're speaking for somebody 
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but I don't think he's writing 
booty reviews for those pictures

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over there. 
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out for Camp Mesiaga. 
And I I I saw, I saw what he 

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said, bro, Yeah. 
It's also like, it's also like 

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he didn't write a paragraph like
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said its author has been 
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lifetimes in horny jails. 
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Honestly. 
Can't send that guy already 

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sending himself. 
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that movie, The way that I've 
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with Jane Schoenbren, we've had 
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feeling at home in their body or
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something about themselves. 
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each one kind of gets you a 
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line. 
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that's exploring what would 
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the other side of it and then 
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themselves with themselves. 
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they engage with like their own 
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like physicality in, in this 
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And like the ways that you can 
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whole thing that the, the horror
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And this is called little death 
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Pity Maude is orgasm. 
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not being subtle at all. 
It's Jane Schumbrun. 

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Like there's for everything that
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about, there's a bunch of other 
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settled. 
And this is like the least 

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settle of all you know. 
Plus, if you've seen Hannah in 

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Hacks season 5 in particular, 
you know you know. 

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You know, and I think it works 
in a lot of different levels. 

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I think it can work for a lot of
like it obviously works from 

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like the the trans lens of like,
you know, spending your whole 

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life not feeling, feeling not 
only not necessarily maybe not 

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even just uncomfortable in your 
body, but at times disgusted 

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with your body and not wanting 
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has even talked about it with 
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in ways that don't feel 
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So then when you get to the 
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comfortable, it's then, you 
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this thing that used to bring me
like extreme discomfort and 

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disgust is now a thing that 
maybe I can learn to enjoy. 

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And you can even do that with 
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have had like traumatic 
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experiences, learning that like 
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own pleasure. 
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through a lens of like a horror 
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different ways that that can be 
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I don't know. 
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So it sounds very much like I 
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within a slasher film. 
Very different ways in which 

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it's different. 
It's very it tonally, tonally it

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is so different. 
It's very funny. 

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It's a lot more it's, it's so 
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I'm like it's more approachable,
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approachable. 
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like Jane just really has their 
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But it is really interesting. 
It's, it's one of those movies 

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that, you know, people are going
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to write papers about it and 
like dissertations and like how 

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it means what it means to them. 
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you can look at it and deeper 
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and, and just the way that it 
subverts some things and like 

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slasher tropes, like the, like 
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Counting Crows song and one of 
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And it's just really cool. 
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It was just a really fun 
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I think if you're like severely 
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time with it, but yeah. 
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big fans of I Saw the TV Glow, 
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excellent, it's not necessarily 
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Movie accessible The word I'm 
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This is more that's what I mean.
It is more accessible while 

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still being like, this is the 
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don't know, it's kind of 
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I don't know when we, when me 
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Mary and you had a bunch of 
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like, well, Anne Hathaway was 
really good 'cause they're just 

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like normies. 
No offense. 

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I don't even mean that in a bad 
way, but it's like, I wouldn't 

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recommend my parents watch this 
movie. 

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But if you are someone who kind 
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really did not work for you, 
there's a chance that this could

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really work for you. 
So I wouldn't completely shut it

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out if you're not a fan just 
because it is you you like you 

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get a lot of Hannah's comedy. 
Jillian's like consistently been

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really funny and like good in 
the sex space since like she 

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obviously she did sex education 
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And I do think it it kind of 
does this whole really 

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interesting thing that like her.
The whole thing is that her 

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character is like she was a a 
scream queen and like a chainsaw

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Texas Massacre esque movie, but 
then never really went on to do 

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anything else after. 
And it's kind of engaging the 

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way that like an experience she 
had on set in that movie, then 

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would like reframe other aspects
of her life. 

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It's like it is interesting, 
like there's, there's a lot 

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there to chew on. 20 The trailer
seems like it's playing off of 

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the camp being like Crystal Lake
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For sure. 
Absolutely it is. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, it's. 

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I found it funny that it's 
dealing with it in a time where 

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Friday the 13th is like going 
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We're getting Texas Chainsaw, 
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but not that one. 
How Jane played with it in the 

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last movie, about what you see 
in TV glow and what you have 

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nostalgia for. 
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was I don't want to make another
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a Thing or whatever else Is that
touched upon. 

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Considering that they're using 
the lore and ideology of us 

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growing up with a horror 
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connected to the franchise, Does
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taking even like it's taking a 
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It's taking a little bit of like
sleep away camp. 

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It's just taking like, yeah, it,
it definitely is. 

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Because like they it opens with 
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like this particular franchise 
that does feel like it really 

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follows the the Friday the 13th 
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It's like one of them like, Oh 
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this character in it. 
This one, you know, and like 

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kind of going through like the 
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It's not like, yeah, yeah, it's 
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definitely using that. 
Very similar to how, you know, 

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the pink opaque is obviously 
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type thing, but still doing its 
own thing enough that it doesn't

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feel like it's like the straight
like 1 to one. 

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We're just, you know. 
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sounds good. 
I'm excited for that one, but 

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I'm really excited for the next 
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it in one of our favorite TV 
shows of last year and it looked

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like it was going to get really 
good reviews. 

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And everyone, including when I 
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loving this damn thing, bro. 
It feels like it's going to be 

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all the emotions. 
In the early days of this year's

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Con Film Festival, it seemed 
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uncertain regard. 
If it wasn't teenage sex and 

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dance that can't miasma, it was 
Club kid. 

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The film written, directed and 
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lot of people are familiar with 
as Art mentioned from I Love LA.

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He actually had a very funny 
cameo. 

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Speaking of hacks, in this 
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Amazing Grace. 
Real quick became mildly the 

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most hated person for kind of 
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heated rivalry. 
They got a lot of fucking 

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backlash. 
Jordan Firstman, Yeah. 

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Did the whole like. 
I think it was like, do the, it 

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was doing the whole thing of 
like, if you're going to do 

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this, do it with like gay people
and queer people. 

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And then that was like the whole
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people to come out before 
they're ready to come out? 

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I think his thing was he was 
like, this is the only type of 

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gay story that you see on TV. 
Yeah, Wasn't it like he was 

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saying there was like three 
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They're having sex, like in a 
way that they don't overhear. 

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And yeah, like, you're from LA, 
You guys do freaky shit. 

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Yeah, it's completely. 
Different and then people 

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realize. 
Yeah, remember Gay? 

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People aren't a monolith, which 
was really weird because you 

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always told us. 
Only when it comes to the hate. 

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You know. 
So tell us a bit about Club Kid.

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What's the deal? 
With this movie it. 

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Like it, it's not the type of 
movie you would expect to see at

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Cannes at all. 
It's, it was interesting that 

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even in that category, it was 
interesting that it was there. 

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But it, it, it 'cause it, it 
does, it doesn't. 

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Like, I think Ehrlich even said 
it's like, it's not necessarily 

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doing, it's not going outside of
its way to do anything super 

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unique. 
It's not necessarily gonna, you 

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know, throw a wrench in you like
the way La La Land loves. 

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We're kind of expecting it to 
follow the same beats. 

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And then you get to the end of 
La La Land and it's like boom. 

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But it's doing it and like such 
an effective way, you know, like

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for people who don't know, the 
base plot is that, you know, 

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this guy, he is, he has a club. 
He owns a club with Card 

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Delevingne's character. 
And he basically just spends all

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his time partying way, way, way 
too much. 

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But then it's like kind of 10 
years down the line when things 

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aren't really going great and 
he's still kind of trying to 

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live that same life that he 
finds some like woman from 10 

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years ago shows up on his door 
being like, hey, babes, you've 

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got a kid. 
His mom's dead, but here's your 

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kid and being like, what do you 
mean I have a kid and then just 

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like abandoning the kid with 
him. 

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I've heard this one described as
like Gay Big Daddy, the Adam 

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Sandler movie. 
Yeah, I think that's actually 

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what Ehrlich said. 
Maybe. 

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But it definitely has the vibe. 
It definitely it has that vibe 

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and it's just like this thing 
happens to this guy who seems 

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like so ill prepared for it, but
is that like the exact right 

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point of his life that it's like
I'm looking for a reason and not

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the kids. 
You shouldn't have kids to have 

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a reason to be alive. 
But if like, you know, so like 

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finding out this thing that like
fundamentally changes you can be

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good for you and like give you a
reason to kind of shape up if 

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you're kind of already planning 
that trajectory. 

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So it does, it does hit all the 
IT hits like the standard notes 

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that you're expecting of, you 
know, kind of like the build up,

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the fall down. 
You get some drama, you get the,

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yeah, I don't know. 
It was just, I'm saying, yeah, I

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don't know a lot, but it's, 
it's, it was just really, it was

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really good. 
It was like really solid. 

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I definitely had me, you know, I
had me crying when I should be 

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crying. 
It had me like laughing when I 

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should be laughing because it is
really funny. 

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I it's definitely the most 
accurate portrayal of, of drug 

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use. 
And like the the the heavy party

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scene, they managed to get a 
Charlie Kirk joke in it. 

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What? 
So they were talking if they're 

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talking about that's. 
Psychosis. 

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They were talking about Coke, 
Coca-Cola, no cocaine and 

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ketamine. 
So they're like a little C 

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little K Charlie Couric. 
And I was like, when did you 

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film this? 
Like. 

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There's a shot in a session 
where he just stares out after 

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the billion dollars and people 
were like y'all see him too 

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right? 
Y'all see him too. 

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I'm like, bro, we have psychosis
as a generation, 'cause people 

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really just. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Do we do that tonight? 
11 Would we just see two sticks?

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It's like, Oh my gosh, it's 911.
Yeah, but yeah, no, it was. 

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And just kind of the ways that 
people can fall down, you know, 

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these gutters of of just bad 
things happening over and over. 

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And you know, you're lucky that 
if that if like that's the worst

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that happens to you is that you 
just kind of feel like you've 

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wasted your life versus all the 
ways that can actively ruin your

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life. 
Yeah, a 24 stepped in and bought

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this one, I think around 
17,000,000. 

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Dollars, like almost immediately
we heard that there was a 

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massive bidding war going on on 
some boat. 

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There was like a huge, It was 
like on a boat, they're like, 

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there's a bidding war on a boat.
I was like, of course. 

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They're expecting to connect 
with people. 

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Do you think this is like a 
potential box office success? 

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Do you think it's maybe an 
awards contender? 

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It's hard to say like 'cause 
obviously, unfortunately, while 

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it is telling a story that, you 
know, everybody should find like

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a wholesome way to connect with 
it. 

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It is a gay man. 
It is a lot of drag Queens. 

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It is a lot of it is it's a gay 
man who is now in the care of a 

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young boy, which is what a lot 
of shitty fucking people. 

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That is their nightmare. 
Shitty people. 

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They there will be protests 
against this movie, I'm sure, 

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but I think it's gonna connect 
with the right people. 

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I think that there's been enough
hype built out of it here that 

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it will kind of reflect 
somewhere. 

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It just depends on what a 24 
does with it. 

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I'm sure it'll have like a 
dedicated fan base for sure. 

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It's just really a matter of 
like what kind of roll out it 

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gets. 
Cause yeah, it's just an easy 

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pleaser. 
It was like, that was the one 

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that it was like, you know, it's
hard to find something to 

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dislike with this movie. 
Awesome, that sounds delightful.

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There's a few more movies that 
you said you enjoyed out of the 

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festival from Victorian Psycho, 
The Man I Love and Gentle 

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Monster. 
What do you think you you like 

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the most? 
Oh, I don't even know if those 

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were the ones that I liked the 
most, but. 

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From from those. 
From those probably Victorian 

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Psycho, just because it was like
it was just very fun. 

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I was just a very fun 
experience. 

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It's like I just feel like we've
been getting fed very well with 

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like horror movies. 
So it's not really it's not 

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going to hold a candle to like 
something like obsession, but it

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is it's a fun, weird girl lit 
type movie. 

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I think it Micah Monroe was 
really good in it. 

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She really kind of embodies the 
character. 

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But again, having somebody like 
Indy Navarretti just having been

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this literally cork like weird 
as like, you know, as she was in

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that movie, you know, it's hard 
not to be like. 

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Setting the standard. 
Yeah, I'm like, and like she, 

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she still does really good. 
She still definitely does really

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good in it. 
Yeah. 

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I think people are really going 
to enjoy. 

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It's coming out like right out 
like in September. 

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I'm wondering if maybe we'll hit
Tiff with it or something 'cause

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I think it would do well at 
Tiff. 

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Yeah, Bleecker St's putting this
one out September 25th, and it's

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the new one directed by Zachary 
Wiggin, who made a movie that we

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enjoy quite a bit called. 
Sanctuary, it unfortunately does

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not hold a candle to Sanctuary, 
but I love sanctuary so much. 

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We can recognize me. 
We didn't talk long, but like I 

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got, I got that one I got an 
actual ticket to and that came 

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with like an after party invite 
thing. 

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So when he was walking by, I 
just gave him like a quick like,

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huh. 
And he was like, Oh yeah, I 

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think I recognize you. 
And then in my mind I'm like, 

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oh, he's just saying that. 
And he was like a man of the 

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Jedi. 
And I was like, shit, that's a 

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horrible name when you're saying
it. 

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But yes. 
But yeah, no, it was it was like

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nice and really strong 
performances in it. 

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It's always funny to see movies 
that have kids because the other

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the she's basically playing a 
governess to two, like a a young

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girl and a young boy. 
The the girl so much taller now.

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She's like, I was like, you have
grown so much from the time you 

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filmed this fucking movie. 
Holy shit. 

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Yeah. 
She was like, yeah, I turn 18, I

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turn 19 soon, so my mom won't 
have to be my manager anymore or

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something. 
I was talking to her really 

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quick and I was. 
Like you're there with a double.

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She got a Kitty cocktail. 
You know, right, yeah, 'cause 

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it's a Campari party, you know, 
like the whole wall is just 

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Campari. 
But you know, it was really fun.

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I think people are really going 
to dig it. 

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Definitely one of the kind of 
better adaptations of the, I 

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don't know how many weird girl 
lit movies there have been 

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outside Eileen right now, but 
it's, I feel like we're 

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definitely going to see more of 
those books being adapted soon. 

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So yeah, it was interesting. 
It was. 

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They also let the author do the 
screenplay, which sometimes 

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works, sometimes doesn't. 
I think it mostly works here. 

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It's should we talk about some 
of the films from the big 

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filmmaker bad movie category 
'cause there was a a couple of 

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them this year. 
What I the ones that stood out 

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to me were, is it cheap in the 
box, The Corey Adam 1 that 

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people did not seem to like 
about the couple that adopts the

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robot's son. 
There's parallel lines, the 

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Asghar Farhati film. 
That one was at least 

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entertaining and how bad it was,
but. 

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I've seen that one described as 
endless. 

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And then there is the latest 
Nick Refin nightmare, her 

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Private Hell. 
That was kind of solid cast 

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that. 
Was my private. 

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00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,280
Hell, we know which one. 
OK. 

447
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,480
What do you want to start with 
art you want ref refin first or 

448
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,360
what do you want first I. 
Want the juicy one? 

449
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:56,960
Yeah, I want to know what Refin 
said. 

450
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,680
I've heard. 
I've only heard snippets. 

451
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,320
I've been waiting to hear the 
press conference. 

452
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,480
I already cried. 
OK so the way con works is that 

453
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,720
often times there are parallel 
screenings for press and really 

454
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,200
fancy people. 
So there's the one where you 

455
00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,480
have all the nice dress people 
and the one where you have the 

456
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:13,960
people that can just rock up in 
shorts if they want to as press.

457
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,640
They would like you to dress 
nicer than that, but they will 

458
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,240
not turn you away. 
I somehow out of everyone 

459
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:23,920
managed to get the actual 
premier red carpet black tie 

460
00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,840
event log. 
I don't I didn't even think my 

461
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,520
account would let me get those 
tickets. 

462
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,320
I got 1 so I'm ready to have a 
good time. 

463
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,120
It's piss pouring rain that day.
We're off to a bad start. 

464
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,200
So I go and I manage what that? 
Was a sign. 

465
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:42,680
That was a sign. 
That was a sign. 

466
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,120
It should have been a sign, but 
I managed to avoid the rain. 

467
00:21:46,120 --> 00:21:48,440
I managed to get down there 
before, like kind of in between 

468
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,000
a patch of rain. 
They're about to let me through.

469
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:57,960
I get stopped for my vans. 
She was like my dad, no black. 

470
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,280
Carpet. 
Not fancy enough? 

471
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,440
Also, just so you know, in my 
mind, it's the same canned lady,

472
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,640
Madam, No, everywhere you've 
been. 

473
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,200
It's just. 
The same. 

474
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,480
Lady, she's just popping up like
Mr. Clippy and. 

475
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,880
She doesn't say anything else 
too, she just doesn't because 

476
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,560
like. 
One of them was supposed to let 

477
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:19,040
me go through, and then I almost
started saying there were people

478
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,720
wearing Converse yesterday. 
I'm going to neglect to mention 

479
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,520
that it was Kristen Stewart, but
she was wearing Converse. 

480
00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,560
But she was like, did you have 
to, can you go get in more 

481
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:28,560
shoes? 
And like, I was just lying 

482
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,400
because I didn't want to walk 
back to my Airbnb because I was 

483
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,200
like, it's probably going to 
start fucking raining soon. 

484
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,880
And I was just like, no, like 
the rain ruined my nice shoes. 

485
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,320
These are all I had. 
It was actually, in fact, that I

486
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,240
had to step outside to grab 
something while I was getting 

487
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:42,640
ready. 
So I just slipped those on and 

488
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,920
forgot to train switch into my 
nice ones. 

489
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,400
And then finally she's like, 
well, you can't walk the red 

490
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840
carpet in those. 
And I was like, she's like, you 

491
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,280
have to go to the side thing. 
And I was like, what do you 

492
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:53,840
mean? 
She's like, take this, go there 

493
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,680
if you, if they, if you, they 
have deemed you unworthy of 

494
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,400
walking up the red carpet. 
They just funnel you to the side

495
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,720
and you just wait. 
So I'm like, are you telling me 

496
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,040
that instead of standing out 
here where it did in fact 

497
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,400
immediately start piss pouring 
rain once I got inside, I get to

498
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,040
go wait inside and sit on a 
chair. 

499
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,000
And then a nice man says, OK, 
that last screening all cleared 

500
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,040
out. 
Now you can go in. 

501
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,680
So I don't even have to wait in 
line with all the plebs. 

502
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,040
And then like something happened
that I overheated and like 

503
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840
almost passed out. 
So I actually had to take a 

504
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,920
second and like I literally was 
going to find a bathroom and 

505
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,120
went up an escalator and almost 
fell. 

506
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:29,680
And like if that had happened 
when I was outside, they 

507
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,600
wouldn't have let me in. 
I ended up being fine, but it 

508
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,200
like took me, I had to go like 
splash water on myself because I

509
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,400
just like overheated. 
The very bad air conditioning. 

510
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,320
Everywhere Carsten was in the 
hospital, you're over. 

511
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,400
What's happening? 
That was the day I hung out with

512
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,520
Carsten. 
That day. 

513
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,800
Bad luck. 
Oh, Jesus. 

514
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,920
But either way, so sorry. 
We'll get to the movie now. 

515
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,440
But I was like, Oh my God. 
It kind of worked out. 

516
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,120
My yeah. 
The real drama started before 

517
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:52,880
the screening. 
Yeah, first I was like, OK, 

518
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,320
well, maybe things. 
But then I was, I was like, oh, 

519
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,760
no, it actually all worked out 
in my favor. 

520
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,520
Like if I'd been outside, maybe 
I'd be pissed. 

521
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,640
I would have gotten rained on. 
That would have sucked. 

522
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,920
I would have maybe passed out, 
who knows. 

523
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,560
Then I see the movie and this 
thing just like, and I get why 

524
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,800
some people are really going to 
like it and they're going to 

525
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,280
make these things. 
I mean, like anybody who doesn't

526
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,080
like this is stupid, but I don't
care. 

527
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,280
I don't. 
I don't know anything about the 

528
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,680
movie. 
I think I saw a trailer. 

529
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,800
I saw it. 
I don't remember anything, but 

530
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,560
like what? 
What is it supposed to be 

531
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,040
pitching? 
My thing is that it kind of 

532
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200
feels like a combination of 
things. 

533
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,560
Even the description seems 
wrong. 

534
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,080
It's like saying that Sophie 
Thatcher's character is trying 

535
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,360
to find her missing dad. 
But like, no, the dad openly 

536
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,200
says, It's like, I'm going to 
get out of here for a little bit

537
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,240
while you're working on this 
movie. 

538
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720
So you and your friend, who I 
have now married, can kind of 

539
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,720
like, smooth things over it. 
Almost like parts of it feel 

540
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,200
like he's trying to like, come 
to terms with the fact that his 

541
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,400
daughter is like, going to age 
out and become like, maybe it's 

542
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
like, not sexual, but just kind 
of like, grow up. 

543
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,880
His daughter's going to grow up,
kind of get outside him. 

544
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,160
And then like, reckoning with 
maybe the mistakes he's made in 

545
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,640
the way that he's passed on some
of those bad traits. 

546
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,400
But it's all being explored 
through Sophie's character. 

547
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,400
People want to talk about 
misogyny. 

548
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,480
There's parts in this where I 
was just kind of like, man, even

549
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,640
the one thing that should have 
nothing to do with a man, you've

550
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,040
now managed to frame around two 
different men. 

551
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,080
The dialogue's weird as fuck. 
It feels like it just kind of 

552
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,880
like drops you into this thing. 
It does not care to build you 

553
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,640
into the world that we're 
existing in. 

554
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,320
That's happening here, which can
be fine. 

555
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,240
I don't feel like it's super 
works here, but it's just kind 

556
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,040
of like dropping you in. 
Then you've got like Melton on 

557
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,800
the other side who his 
description is, right. 

558
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,440
He is trying to find his missing
daughter. 

559
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,760
Yeah, Charles Melton's in it. 
But he's he's kind of like a 

560
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,160
fighter. 
And then like he just walks into

561
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,400
rooms and he'll be like, he'll 
like hit somebody and then be 

562
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,480
like, like every. 
Time he's got to. 

563
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:44,200
Like reset, he's got to reset. 
And it's like parts of it work, 

564
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,480
but then there's just like 
certain scenes where I'm like, 

565
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,920
if I never see that again, 
people talking about weird shit 

566
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,760
happening in miasma, like, no, 
this is weird. 

567
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Put this man in horny jail. 
What the fuck are we doing here?

568
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,880
And like, God, I don't know. 
And then it was like, it was 

569
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,680
just weird. 
I will say like Havana losing it

570
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,960
and like, she just gets the 
better lines. 

571
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,440
So she's actually doing very 
well through most of this movie 

572
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,720
and comes across as a lot more 
natural than Sophie does. 

573
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,680
I don't know if that's like the 
direction Sophie was given. 

574
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,960
I don't know if that's the line 
she had to live because I love 

575
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,120
Sophie Thatcher and we've seen 
her do well in multiple things. 

576
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:18,160
So I would choose to blame it 
more so on the script and what 

577
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,320
she's been asked to do. 
But then even Havana who's 

578
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,400
coming out clean, they get her 
in a scene where for like 5 

579
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,440
minutes straight she's like 
yipping like a dog. 

580
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,800
Yeah, I mean, look. 
Promise No. 

581
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,000
Yeah, I do, but not in a good 
way, not in a fun way. 

582
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,400
This is kind of par for the 
course, I think, with Nick 

583
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,440
Griffin for the past decade now.
He's the one writing it. 

584
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,280
You can't trust it. 
Is it bottom of his filmography 

585
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,880
for you? 
From what you've. 

586
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,600
Seen Neon demon yet people have 
said it feels like I'm mixed. 

587
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,640
I know I need to watch it. 
It's one of those ones I just 

588
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,720
haven't gotten to yet. 
People have said this feels like

589
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:57,320
a mix of neon demon and Only God
Forgives but like yeah I need to

590
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,800
still need to see neon demon and
I also I. 

591
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,360
Personally found beauty ones 
literally about being ugly. 

592
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:03,640
Like, how do you? 
How do you? 

593
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,560
No, but like, like, and every, I
saw somebody say that they like 

594
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,880
that the, the apparently the 
score was supposed to be a 

595
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:09,680
highlight. 
And then the more I was 

596
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,280
thinking, but like, no, I felt 
like the way that they were 

597
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,160
doing the score was giving me a 
tone to the movie that I did not

598
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720
feel matched what I was being 
shown. 

599
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
So they were trying to be like, 
I'm going to give you this 

600
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,400
soundtrack. 
I'm going to give you this 

601
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,840
soundscape to make you go down 
this direction. 

602
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,880
Like I'm not going to say soap 
opera music, but you know, if 

603
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,840
you heard soap opera music 
behind something, your brain 

604
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,680
would automatically start doing 
a thing. 

605
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,000
I felt that the music was 
mismatched to a lot of the music

606
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,760
felt mismatched to what was 
happening. 

607
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,480
Like I, I, I would watch it 
again, but I will say it is the 

608
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,120
most walk outs I've ever seen in
my life ever. 

609
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:45,960
And then I wasn't all the way at
the back. 

610
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,080
I had to pretty, I was kind of 
closer to to the front, but 

611
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:51,000
somebody who was in the balcony 
who was like, I was pretty much 

612
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,280
in the back of the balcony. 
I count. 

613
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,240
I started counting because I 
just didn't care about the movie

614
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840
anymore. 
Not there was not a period of 

615
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,160
two minutes. 
There was not a period of two 

616
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,160
minutes before there was a walk 
out that he could see from where

617
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,000
he was in the balcony, which had
like pretty good view. 

618
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,520
And that's like not even being 
able to count what might have 

619
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,600
been on the ground level. 
The girl next to me, flat out 10

620
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,360
minutes in, takes off her 
glasses, curls up, has a nap. 

621
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,400
Every seat at Khan has like the 
full barrier between you. 

622
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,160
So like, she couldn't kick into 
me or anything. 

623
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,240
So she just falls asleep for 45 
minutes. 

624
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,840
It's like business class just. 
Yeah. 

625
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,240
Did they do that? 
In New York festival when I went

626
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,360
and they don't care. 
They'll just take the like, I'm 

627
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,600
sleeping through this one, Yeah.
Your shoulder's my pillow now. 

628
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Yeah, no, she she was curled the
fuck up in her nice dress. 

629
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,360
Sleep for like at least at least
45 minutes, maybe an hour. 

630
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Actually, with the length of the
movie, she might have been 

631
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,800
asleep for a solid hour. 
She had the appropriate shoes. 

632
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Yes, she had the fucking. 
Appropriate. 

633
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,080
OK, just me. 
Just me I guess. 

634
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,280
So then is that a cheat code for
you now? 

635
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Maybe honestly. 
Not knowing how to get in, yeah,

636
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040
it's like, oh, and honestly, I 
get to be comfortable. 

637
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,360
And they didn't take that thing 
from me, so I could probably 

638
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,840
just keep using it. 
It was like a separate ticket 

639
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200
you had to have. 
You had to show that you had the

640
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,640
actual ticket to the movie to 
get in. 

641
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,160
But like I could just be like a.
Default. 

642
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,320
Pass I got a hall pass. 
They give you a hall pass. 

643
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,320
I got a hall pass 'cause I 
didn't have the right shoes and 

644
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,000
they're like, you can't walk up 
the red carpet. 

645
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,920
The red carpet you won't let me 
take a picture on. 

646
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,760
Sure, that's fine. 
I don't need to walk up the 

647
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:22,120
fucking red carpet, you know? 
Yeah, it was, it was rough. 

648
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,200
It's one of those movies that 
like I sit with it and it, I 

649
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,760
honestly feel like it would have
a great megalopolis double 

650
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,360
feature experience. 
I hated that viewing experience 

651
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,280
more, but it does. 
My brain feels like it needs to 

652
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,680
make something of the 
nothingness in areas. 

653
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280
I felt that there was nothing. 
I'm like, surely there has to, 

654
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:46,040
I, there has to be more here or 
something, but I just, it's, 

655
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,320
it's, it literally feels like a 
fever dream. 

656
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,400
It, you know how like sometimes 
you try to explain your dream to

657
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,760
somebody and you're like, it was
so interesting and weird and you

658
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,920
can't articulate it and the 
other person's just waiting for 

659
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,560
you to fucking end because no 
one ever wants to hear someone 

660
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,280
explain their dreams because 
they're, they never make fucking

661
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,600
sense. 
That's what it. 

662
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,800
That's what that movie feels. 
Like pictures of my kids you 

663
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,400
didn't ask for? 
That's what the movie felt like.

664
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,360
Did I ever tell you guys about 
the time that I interviewed Nick

665
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Refin after Drive came out and 
he tried to take credit for 

666
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,520
making the color pink? 
Cool. 

667
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:19,760
That was him. 
That's that's a. 

668
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,800
That's him. 
So yeah, I'm not really. 

669
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Super. 
Surprised by your reaction to 

670
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,520
the latest Nick Reppin for 
Private Health? 

671
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,000
Yeah. 
And it sucks because he, I felt 

672
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,920
bad he kept framing it all 
around like him dying for 25 

673
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,320
minutes and like this. 
And I'm like, yeah, but at some 

674
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,160
point, like, I don't know, do 
something different with it. 

675
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,160
Don't. 
Anything worth discussing with 

676
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
parallel lines or sheep in a 
box? 

677
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,360
Yeah, Parallel Lines felt like 
you got this movie where it 

678
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,080
really kind of fell into the 
like, oh, you don't understand 

679
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400
what women go through because 
you've got this character who's 

680
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,680
objectively being a fucking 
creep. 

681
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,480
But then it's like, you were 
going to treat him like less of 

682
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560
a creep when someone else gets 
worse, when someone else 

683
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
escalates in behavior, it's kind
of going to be OK that this 

684
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,320
guy's been a fucking stalker 
creep. 

685
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,680
The whole, like, basically the 
idea is that, like, this woman 

686
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,680
starts watching these people 
across the street, writes a 

687
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200
story, has a young man comes to 
help her in her home pack, finds

688
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,400
the story, reads it. 
He then becomes obsessed with 

689
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
them too, but then goes the step
further to try to actually 

690
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,120
interject himself into those 
people's lives. 

691
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,240
And then the story starts 
affecting how those other people

692
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,680
act. 
It could have been interesting. 

693
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
It's a fucking mess. 
And it's a it gets really 

694
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,320
fucking weird at some points. 
As someone who has had people 

695
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,240
create false realities involving
me and them disgusting how this 

696
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,120
ultimately ends up handling that
situation. 

697
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,920
I will say that the people that 
are like, it never ended. 

698
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,120
I was at least entertained for 
the two and whatever how many 

699
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,080
hours it was because I was like,
how much did it get? 

700
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,520
You know? 
Yeah. 

701
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,160
This is parallel. 
Lives. 

702
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:57,600
Lions. 
Lions. 

703
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,520
Oh, tales girl. 
Tales story in French. 

704
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,440
It was like E squad or something
like that. 

705
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:04,360
Gotcha. 
All right. 

706
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Just want to make sure parallel 
tales. 

707
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,960
Tales parallel which? 
Is something is playing off a 

708
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,880
wild tales type stuff, but this 
is the this one is. 

709
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720
Apparently it's an adaptation I 
think. 

710
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,600
It's it's adapted from one of 
the stories in Christophe 

711
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Kiszlowski's Decalogue, which is
like this famous collection of 

712
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,720
Polish stories, but like. 
I just got the impression that 

713
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,200
Farhadi does not understand the 
struggle of women. 

714
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,120
That was my take away from that 
movie. 

715
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,120
Yeah, I mean it. 
It seems like people really did 

716
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,320
not respond to that one. 
We were making episodes of the 

717
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,120
Decalogue. 
Yeah, a little bit for 2 1/2 

718
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,760
hours. 
And then what was the other 10? 

719
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,720
Yeah, what? 
What happened with Corietta? 

720
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,840
How do you take OK, the plot of 
this movie? 

721
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,800
You lose your child, this random
fucking companies like we can 

722
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,360
remake your child as like AI if 
you give us all this different 

723
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,160
information videos and put it 
together and you can just you 

724
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,840
why you don't have to say 
goodbye, which there's so many 

725
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,600
interesting ways to explore that
because for one, that they've 

726
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040
proven that like there's there's
apps right now that will mimic 

727
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
loved ones voices and stuff. 
You can have conversations with 

728
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,920
them after they die. 
And it's like been proven so 

729
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,800
many times that it is like so 
harmful for your ability to 

730
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,640
grieve and move on that it would
set you back potentially like 

731
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,040
years on a normal grief schedule
and then even cause like, damage

732
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,680
because you are fundamentally 
talking to something that is not

733
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,360
real. 
So this is taking that to the 

734
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,680
next level. 
You're losing a child. 

735
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,440
That is the worst possible thing
you can imagine. 

736
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,960
And it felt soulless. 
I didn't feel like there was 

737
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,400
like no emotion with these 
people. 

738
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,160
There was no like it felt so 
stilted for some like versus 

739
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,120
like an after Yang, which like 
floored me. 

740
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,040
This feels like it was building 
off of that in a way that should

741
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,600
have been more emotional 
directly and it just wasn't. 

742
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,520
And then it just chooses to go 
in like this weird direction of 

743
00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:01,080
like AI robot autonomy and like 
hinting at some interesting 

744
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
things about how like some 
people might get these and then 

745
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,400
still abuse them. 
Because like, either because 

746
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,080
it's not, they realize as it's 
going on that this cannot 

747
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,000
possibly be your child. 
It's never going to act like 

748
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,639
your child. 
It's always going to start doing

749
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,440
something different or just 
because like you were abusive. 

750
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,159
So like that's what you're going
to keep doing. 

751
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:19,400
It's like why they said that the
reason, the main reason why 

752
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,239
they've not made super realistic
like sex AI dolls is because 

753
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,159
like the what the what men do to
them is so fucking horrific that

754
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,679
they don't want to like deal 
with it stuff. 

755
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,840
I don't know. 
And it just it just ultimately 

756
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:32,639
like I'm watching it and nothing
was like super bad. 

757
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,320
I just kept waiting for 
something to build and build and

758
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,760
like it never gets there and it 
just feels so so stilted and 

759
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,400
takes so long to get to what I 
felt like was nowhere. 

760
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,520
What a shame though, because 
we're used to such emotional 

761
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,679
effective films, I know. 
We're at a. 

762
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,440
Film because he didn't get to 
use humans. 

763
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,760
Yeah, It honestly just feels 
like somebody who got interested

764
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,400
in AI in a way that I just, I 
feel like a lot of us, if either

765
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,160
are like moved past. 
It's like, I can't remember, 

766
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,400
there was like some director or 
somebody recently who had like 

767
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,600
an AI girlfriend. 
There's a rumor that Zach Braff 

768
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,640
had. 
One, no, not even that. 

769
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,320
Like an older guy who was like 
talked about it. 

770
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,080
Like talked about it. 
Paul Schrader, yeah. 

771
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:11,600
Yeah. 
What? 

772
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,000
Paul Schrader had an AI 
girlfriend but apparently 

773
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,960
wouldn't engage with him in the 
conversations he wanted to 

774
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,080
engage in. 
So. 

775
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000
Paul Shader got dumped by his AI
girlfriend. 

776
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,200
He's actually really common to 
get dumped by. 

777
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,840
The age of 78. 
It's been super, it's a super 

778
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,200
common thing apparently to get 
dumped by your AI partners. 

779
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,000
Like even they don't want to put
up do these do these? 

780
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640
Work on AI. 
Do those work on AI? 

781
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,720
It that that I wish. 
My AI wish lower than anything 

782
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,120
in the world. 
It alters reality. 

783
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,680
So yeah, I've accepted that 
that's. 

784
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,840
The way it works. 
Alters reality, but it can only 

785
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,840
be so powerful if the thing 
you're altering also has its own

786
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,000
free will. 
One movie that I am super 

787
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,200
curious about is Hope. 
I've heard so many interesting 

788
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:02,960
reactions to the latest film 
from Na Hongjin. 

789
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,720
Just tell me what's going on 
with the South Korean film. 

790
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,240
OK, keep in mind we walk into 
this movie, nothing specific is 

791
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,160
about it basically just says 
that like, there's a mystery in 

792
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,480
this small town that kind of 
gets horrifying. 

793
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,560
This is the guy who did the 
whaling. 

794
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,400
We're like, there's so many ways
this could go. 

795
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,200
It goes in a direction I did not
expect within like 20 seconds. 

796
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,120
They're like, I don't know if 
there's like a dead cow. 

797
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,720
And they're like, man, I don't 
know what the fuck could have 

798
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:26,720
killed this except maybe a very 
big tiger. 

799
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:28,080
And I'm like, is it a giant 
tiger movie? 

800
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,040
No, I can say it now because 
they did reveal it in a trailer.

801
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,240
You didn't know what it was 
going. 

802
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,000
In No one did, the description 
was literally just a mystery is 

803
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,440
happening in a small town that 
could potentially get darker. 

804
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,560
They literally sounded so 
compelling and interesting. 

805
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,400
And then very quickly you're 
like, it's a monster. 

806
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,840
It's a monster movie. 
Because they keep being like, 

807
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,640
like, is it a lizard man? 
They keep being like they're 

808
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,400
describing it in all these crazy
ways. 

809
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,960
You don't see it for a bit, so 
you think it's just going to 

810
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,160
keep doing it. 
Some people started saying they 

811
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,840
thought they thought it felt 
like It Follows because you 

812
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,040
couldn't see it, so they thought
it was just this giant monster 

813
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,480
you couldn't see throwing 
things. 

814
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,360
But no. 
Then they show it and I'm like, 

815
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400
this looks like when they try to
make live action anime movies 

816
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960
and this is Attack on Titan. 
That was the vibe I got. 

817
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,360
She looked like one of those 
little Attack on Titan bitches 

818
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,200
and I love Attack on Titan. 
So I was like, OK, I'm. 

819
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,400
It was really funny at this 
point. 

820
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680
It's really funny. 
I had, I literally at that point

821
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,280
forgot it was in competition 
'cause it's this is like this is

822
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,640
not, this is not an in 
competition movie. 

823
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,760
And then it keeps going. 
Keep this is like a two hour and

824
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,080
40 minute movie. 2 1/2 two. 
It was very long. 

825
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,200
It's over 2 hours. 
Yeah, I think it's 2:40. 

826
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,640
It's 2:40. 
So I would say it was really 

827
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,160
good for like at least an hour. 
It was very solid for at least 

828
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,240
an hour. 
And then it has like a couple of

829
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,200
other highlight moments, but 
then it keeps, it just keeps 

830
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,400
going because at first they're 
like, oh man, Did they come from

831
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,000
like underground? 
Did we do a thing? 

832
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,640
I don't know how much has been 
revealed. 

833
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,720
You tell me what you know. 
It looks like it is Bird box 

834
00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,360
meets giant insects. 
Or like that. 

835
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,200
What was that David Arquette 
movie? 

836
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,160
8 legged freaks. 
No, no, there is a component 

837
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,160
that I can't say then, but I was
just say of the many things that

838
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,240
could have been and ended up 
being the thing that was least 

839
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:15,200
interesting to me. 
Because I don't even the trailer

840
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,200
looks generic. 
Well, this is supposedly one of 

841
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,800
the most expensive South Korean 
movies ever made. 

842
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,040
And I'm pretty sure they set up,
put it this way. 

843
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,920
I was talking to Robert Daniels.
Robert, if you watch this, I 

844
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
don't think he will, no shade, 
but I'm telling him why I don't 

845
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,600
like it. 
He's being like, no, that's what

846
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,400
it's commenting on. 
It's commenting on all those 

847
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,080
like action tropes. 
I'm like, no, I think this man 

848
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,440
was sincerely making this kind 
of movie and setting up for 

849
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,400
sequels. 
He's making his own. 

850
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,040
He's he's Korean. 
James Cameron right now is what 

851
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,480
he's trying to be. 
He is trying to create his own. 

852
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:44,920
He wants. 
He's George Lucas. 

853
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,400
He is making his Korean. 
That guy right now is what he's 

854
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,520
trying to be and it doesn't work
with me. 

855
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
At a very certain point it hits 
an area that I'm like, I'm done.

856
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,160
The effects weren't done. 
That's what I heard. 

857
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,240
Yeah, apparently someone said 
that they could go back in and 

858
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,880
fix them, but I'm like, even I 
don't know how much you can fix 

859
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:00,920
that. 
Then I didn't even realize 

860
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000
anything. 
Like I kind of clocked midway 

861
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,080
through that, Like, one of the 
monsters ends up being Michael 

862
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,760
Fassbender, and the other one is
Alicia Vikander. 

863
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,280
So like, the more you're looking
at this thing's face, eventually

864
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,880
you just start seeing Michael 
more and more and more, and it's

865
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,280
starting to feel very Judi Dench
and cats. 

866
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,240
And then they're just doing 
things in a way where I'm like, 

867
00:39:19,240 --> 00:39:22,040
why are they acting like this? 
If this is how they're acting 

868
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,800
when they're kind of interacting
with themselves? 

869
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,800
I, it was. 
And it's also one of the things 

870
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,160
they, the people that are fans 
of it. 

871
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,120
And again, I love you if you 
love this, I totally understand 

872
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,560
why you love this. 
They were immediately being 

873
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,200
like, if I we're going to be 
the, the few people who love 

874
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,000
this movie, it turns out it's 
like 3 of us that hate it. 

875
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,120
Everyone else is like so into 
it. 

876
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,720
So I'm like, you guys are not 
the minority here. 

877
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,240
Most people really walked away 
liking this for some reason, 

878
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,440
even though it feels so 
fundamentally anti what you 

879
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,120
would expect to see at con. 
I almost left when there was 40 

880
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,640
minutes left and I wish I had 
because like I think I was 

881
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,480
telling Carson he was like, 
yeah, I was just someone goes on

882
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,200
to leave and get someone tell me
what happened to the end. 

883
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,840
Like how would we even begin to?
And I was like, it actually 

884
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,640
really wouldn't have been that 
fucking hard 30 minutes if it 

885
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,520
was just a lot of running and 
shooting and running and 

886
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
shooting. 
It becomes a weird shoot em up 

887
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,240
simulator after a while. 
I I've also seen people compare 

888
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,560
it to like Mad Max in a way 
because it's just this like 

889
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,240
never ending thing of actions 
which I hate. 

890
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,920
To be fair even that had me so 
like. 

891
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,000
Once it misses the point where 
it like and it would get me in a

892
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,440
couple other areas. 
Like they do infuse comedy 

893
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,000
throughout, which is the only 
reason why maybe begin to 

894
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,240
entertain Robert Daniels. 
Like it's making a commentary 

895
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,480
and making fun of it. 
But I really don't think it is. 

896
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,320
I think it's very hearing him 
talk about it. 

897
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,600
I think it's very sincere. 
But yeah, it's a it's an 

898
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,960
experience and I'm sure a lot of
people really going to enjoy it.

899
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,320
It would play amazing at 
Midnight Madness. 

900
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,800
Hopefully they bring. 
It most things play amazing at 

901
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,520
Midnight Madness, but like, I 
think Peter, Peter, Peter 

902
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,760
Koplowski was there. 
So there's a chance. 

903
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,520
Yeah. 
Holy shit, that's an experience 

904
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:00,080
is what I'll say. 
You know, like and I'd I'd It's 

905
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,800
not the wailing, is what I'll 
say. 

906
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,520
That seems, that seems evident 
for sure. 

907
00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:08,920
All right, well, let's talk 
about some of the movies that 

908
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,080
landed a little bit better, the 
movies that won awards at 

909
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,880
Cannes. 
Let's start it out with the film

910
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,720
that picked up the Palm Fjord, 
the latest from Christian Mungu,

911
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,040
which comes with a couple of 
well known actors as well and 

912
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,920
Sebastian Stan and Renat 
Reinsvet. 

913
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,880
I think this tells the story of 
a family that relocates from 

914
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:34,400
Romania to Norway and clashes 
with some of the locals there. 

915
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440
Is it a courtroom drama? 
Partially, not fully. 

916
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,480
Partially like it has moments. 
Did this make sense to you as a 

917
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Pondora winner? 
Yeah, for sure. 

918
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,040
I think it's going to be really 
interesting. 

919
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
It it was funny, I had 
conversations people after where

920
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,200
they just, I said, I think that 
a lot of people are going to 

921
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,520
interpret this in ways and be 
very against it because they 

922
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,800
won't feel it's taking a strong 
enough moral standpoint in 

923
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,120
certain areas when that's the 
point of what it's trying to do.

924
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:03,200
It is very much a movie that is 
trying to show you the ways that

925
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:09,520
certain systems can fail people 
if their way of existence goes 

926
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,360
against what the norm in that 
culture is, but then also trying

927
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:15,920
to make you empathize with 
people that you normally 

928
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,240
wouldn't empathize with. 
It has a little bit of an 

929
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,000
ambiguous aspect to a very 
similar to Anatomy of a Fall 

930
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,600
where you're kind of wondering 
if an incident happened. 

931
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,000
I think maybe they should have 
made it a little bit clear, but 

932
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,400
they do things in enough ways to
say that like they keep using 

933
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,480
the excuse of like this is 
normal where we're from. 

934
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,360
We did not realize it was not 
acceptable here. 

935
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,360
Interesting. 
So it just kind of has so 

936
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,200
basically like Sebastian Stan 
and Renown and they're they're 

937
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,360
family. 
They're very, very religious. 

938
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,360
Like like they're not allowed to
like really watch TV. 

939
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,160
They're really not allowed like 
having phones and stuff and they

940
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:54,640
move to like take up a job 
somewhere else. 

941
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,840
And then it's just the ways that
that systems like Child 

942
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Protective Services and like how
intense it can be. 

943
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,520
So it almost like, yeah, it just
finds a way to. 

944
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,800
It's trying to make you see the 
way that certain like overly 

945
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,280
like values that go too far in 
One Direction can then actually 

946
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:13,960
cause harm in other ways. 
And then trying to make you 

947
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,800
sympathize with people you 
normally wouldn't because even 

948
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,480
if they have values that are 
different then yours, they still

949
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,760
are afforded the same rights 
that everybody else should be 

950
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,400
afforded. 
But it very biocentric, like I 

951
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,600
don't know if you could tell the
story in this way, like from an 

952
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,480
American lens with the way 
things go there, because I don't

953
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,760
even know how you do that 
anymore. 

954
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,000
But like, I guess for Europe, 
it's interesting. 

955
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,760
I think maybe we should have 
done some things harder in 

956
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,160
certain areas. 
But it'll definitely make way 

957
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,560
for a lot of interesting 
conversations. 

958
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,680
And if you, it will definitely 
be a movie that will be 

959
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,320
misunderstood in many different 
ways. 

960
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,120
The Grand Prix went to Minotaur,
the Russian film. 

961
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,320
I think a lot of people 
responded really strongly to 

962
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:53,560
that one. 
Were you a fan? 

963
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,840
Yes, that was another one I was 
really looking forward to that I

964
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,760
saw towards the end of the 
festival. 

965
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,040
I finally managed to get one 
that would fit my schedule. 

966
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,800
I really enjoyed that one quite 
a bit. 

967
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,720
It's very interesting because 
it's being told. 

968
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,640
It's like I it's telling a 
story, didn't even know it was 

969
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,640
going to be telling. 
With the backdrop of like the 

970
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,680
Ukrainian war ramping UPS, you 
have all these billboards around

971
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,680
them being like, like, join 
today, do your duty. 

972
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,200
And it's just all of these like 
people talking about how they're

973
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:19,680
going to go down to Italy until 
it's done. 

974
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,240
And it's just the way that 
certain people would have the 

975
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,160
privilege to get away. 
But then they're being all the 

976
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,320
propaganda of like, if you don't
do this, you're doing your 

977
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,000
depending on where your social 
classes. 

978
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,880
But that's not even really what 
the movie is fully focused on. 

979
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,280
It's very much like a familial 
drama about what's going on with

980
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,640
this, you know, husband figuring
something out with his wife and 

981
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,040
like what he does in the 
confines. 

982
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,880
I don't know. 
It was really, it is really 

983
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880
interesting as a drama and it, I
think it went a little bit more 

984
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,480
insulate, insulated than I 
expected. 

985
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,080
But when I heard about, when I 
was first talking to somebody 

986
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,680
about it, it's like my friend 
who actually is from Russia 

987
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,160
currently, like not, not, she's 
like, I can't go back to Russia 

988
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,160
for like 5 different reasons. 
And my whole family's there and 

989
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,960
I, she's like, I remember like 
how accurate a lot of that was 

990
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,240
and like what so much of that 
experience was. 

991
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:07,720
And I feel like they handle it 
in a good way. 

992
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:11,280
And they definitely don't try to
like shy away from like the 

993
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,280
issues that that is and the way 
that they try to make it this 

994
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,480
like glorious thing to, to, to 
show up for your country. 

995
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,360
But then the ways that people 
can like abuse that system if 

996
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,920
they have enough power. 
It's it's just one of those 

997
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,840
things that it's, you know, how 
like a Suspiria, the remake ends

998
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,320
up using the time that it's told
in as a backdrop to that 

999
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,680
Suspiria story where it's like 
the war in Germany. 

1000
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,600
So you kind of have that thing, 
you have like a central issue 

1001
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,680
that's happening, but then the 
huge things happening in the 

1002
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:43,120
backdrop that is going to start 
kind of like, like spilling over

1003
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,160
into it, but isn't necessarily 
the main focus of what's going 

1004
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,360
on. 
It ends up becoming like, I 

1005
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
don't know, I don't even I don't
know what it even says the 

1006
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,920
movies about right now. 
I got to check to make sure I 

1007
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,880
don't spoil anything, but I 
definitely recommend it for 

1008
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,640
sure. 
It was definitely one of the, 

1009
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,080
definitely one of the highlights
of. 

1010
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,480
Yeah, I saw a lot of people 
responding really, really 

1011
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,440
strongly to that one. 
OK, they do say in the 

1012
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:06,840
description it says his wife has
an affair. 

1013
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,880
So it's basically the way that 
this man handles what finding 

1014
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,920
out about the the affair and 
just the kind of the way he was 

1015
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,000
in the beginning and why you're 
like, it's like the way it's 

1016
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,000
having an affair. 
But like sometimes you're like, 

1017
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,640
I get it. 
You know, it's one of those, 

1018
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,960
it's one of those ones, you 
know, how like there's the whole

1019
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,600
thing. 
It's all like she left me just 

1020
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,720
because I wouldn't do the 
dishes. 

1021
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:27,760
And that's like the 100,000 
thing. 

1022
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,200
It's kind of, it kind of has 
that. 

1023
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,280
Fight right, right. 
The straw that broke the cable. 

1024
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,400
'S, yeah, absolutely. 
So yeah, definitely, definitely 

1025
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,680
interesting. 
Definitely recommend. 3rd place 

1026
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,120
went to the dreamed adventure, 
although I think I. 

1027
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,160
Didn't get a. 
Chance to catch that one. 

1028
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,480
Best Director was split between 
La Bola Negra, which we started 

1029
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,480
the segment talking a bit about,
and the latest from Pavel 

1030
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Pavlikowski, Fatherland. 
I wish. 

1031
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,200
I think you caught as well. 
Yeah, if I didn't log. 

1032
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,120
Yeah, we did. 
I liked Fatherland quite a bit. 

1033
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,200
I know a lot of people didn't, 
but it it was almost like the 

1034
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
counterbalance to all of these 
obscenely long movies. 

1035
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,720
And I don't mind a long movie as
long as you justify it. 

1036
00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:03,120
This was like 80 minutes or 
something. 

1037
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,080
I. 
Think 72 or something crazy 

1038
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,560
basically. 
Added a bit to like get it to 

1039
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,360
like a certain amount or 
something or somebody. 

1040
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,200
One of the actors said that, and
then the director was like, I 

1041
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:12,400
didn't do that. 
Who told you that? 

1042
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:15,480
So I don't know, but it's like, 
yeah, it was. 

1043
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,400
Really. 
Yeah, that's. 

1044
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
What I thought like it's 
basically about like there's the

1045
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,800
real writer Thomas Mann after 
the World War Two kind of doing 

1046
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,400
this like road trip with his 
daughter. 

1047
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,960
So the road trip itself did not 
happen, but it's using, it's 

1048
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,640
kind of like doing a rewrite of 
history with the daughter being 

1049
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,960
super involved in that and and 
using that as kind of like just 

1050
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,680
the different ways that like 
people can be such a a beacon to

1051
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,320
a people, but then not be able 
to translate that to their own 

1052
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,400
families in a lot of ways, in 
the ways that like they're the 

1053
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,560
things closest to them can fall 
through the cracks when they've 

1054
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,840
been, you know, propped up so 
much by the society that they're

1055
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,440
in. 
There's like the whole thing 

1056
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,440
that it's like they go into like
the Waymar area, which that's 

1057
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,200
when like the Soviets still had 
control over parts of of Germany

1058
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,280
and stuff. 
So it's kind of like the the 

1059
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:08,880
ruins of Germany and like kind 
of the rebuild going on there. 

1060
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,840
And like Thomas Mann's part in 
that as a writer and like how 

1061
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,080
the arts can kind of like 
transcend certain things. 

1062
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,960
But yeah, there's just like, 
yeah, there's a lot. 

1063
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,360
It's a play on words, obviously.
Fatherland Germany is the 

1064
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,600
fatherland. 
But then you know, Sandra Huler 

1065
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,320
is you know that she's following
her father father around and 

1066
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,600
it's like their connection in 
like the tumultuous ways that 

1067
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,520
that happens. 
It's yeah, again, I'm I it was 

1068
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,400
one of the earlier ones I saw in
the festival. 

1069
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,600
So it is like mentally kind of 
get being overshadowed. 

1070
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,520
But it was one of the ones I 
walked out of immediately being 

1071
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,720
like, OK, we'll finally we got 
something that's like decent. 

1072
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,560
So yeah, it's definitely worth 
it. 

1073
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,720
Rounding out some of the awards,
best actress went to Virginia 

1074
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,720
Efira for her work in the new 
Hamaguchi film. 

1075
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,880
All of a sudden, very excited 
for that one cause I've heard a 

1076
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,480
lot of really good things. 
Emmanuel Macchia won best actor 

1077
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,400
for his work in Coward, the new 
film from Lucas. 

1078
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,840
Don't and then uncertain regard 
went to the film every time. 

1079
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,080
From those films, were there any
that you particularly enjoyed? 

1080
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,320
I think I was a little tired 
watching all of a sudden and I'm

1081
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,080
very much of the mindset of 
like, we could get the same 

1082
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,920
experience in less time. 
The thing I've heard about that 

1083
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,520
one is it feels long. 
It feels like it's not going 

1084
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,840
anywhere, and then by the end it
comes together. 

1085
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,520
Yeah, for sure. 
It is a journey to get there. 

1086
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,400
Yeah, if you're tired, it's 
definitely not a great 

1087
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,320
experience, but it is like super
beautiful with how it handles 

1088
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,280
things and like this friendship 
in this relationship between two

1089
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:38,000
people and just the way that we 
like, care for people and 

1090
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,080
caretaker fatigue in a lot of 
ways. 

1091
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Yeah. 
It's basically because you've 

1092
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,320
got one person who works is like
a director at one of these, 

1093
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,280
like, care facilities and trying
to keep things modern in a 

1094
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,400
positive way. 
And like the growing pains that 

1095
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,240
can have kind of making a 
connection with somebody who is 

1096
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,440
dying of cancer. 
So like once like working with 

1097
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,360
old folks home And yeah, it's 
just kind of like this just a 

1098
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,880
really beautiful look at life 
and just like the delicate 

1099
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,800
delicateness of it and how much 
an effect someone can have in a 

1100
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,240
really short time in life. 
It ends really beautifully as 

1101
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:11,120
well. 
Like there's kind of this 

1102
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,120
ongoing thing where obviously 
people are just run very ragged 

1103
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,920
trying to keep everything going 
at the expense of everything 

1104
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,880
else in their lives. 
There's a couple things that 

1105
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,120
didn't super work well for me. 
You know, sometimes I struggle 

1106
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,360
with performances, with more 
performances, which was 

1107
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,600
definitely like a theme this 
year where there be people just 

1108
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,080
performing things and like, 
sometimes it doesn't work so 

1109
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,520
great. 
But I get why they do it in this

1110
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:32,960
movie when it comes back around 
later. 

1111
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,600
But the first time around I was 
like, oh God, I might leave. 

1112
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,000
I might go, I don't know if I 
can do this. 

1113
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,960
Yeah, no, it is really. 
It's really good. 

1114
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,520
Definitely a deserved actress 
when there, which was good 

1115
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,920
because she's also the the woman
who is in Parallel Tales, the 

1116
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,240
source of people's obsession in 
that one. 

1117
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:53,560
So it was good that she had a 
good follow up immediately. 

1118
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,240
Every time if you've seen Blue 
Heron has like a real vibe of 

1119
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:58,440
that. 
I think Blue Heron's better. 

1120
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,080
But every time has like an 
amazing like opening sequence. 

1121
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,320
It's like very, very great. 
And then what was the other one?

1122
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,440
Coward. 
Coward is really unfortunate to.

1123
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,080
It makes a good double feature 
with La Bola Negra. 

1124
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,120
And it's an unfortunate one 
because you immediately see 

1125
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:13,920
which one is significantly 
better. 

1126
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,640
No offense because I love Lucas 
Dump, but it's like it does not 

1127
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,640
hold a candle too close in my 
opinion. 

1128
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:26,040
I think that that is a movie 
that is trying to create a sense

1129
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:31,600
of connection between two people
that I don't think we fully feel

1130
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,040
it to the extent that it ends up
going by the end of the movie. 

1131
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,920
But yeah, that was basically 
about like World War One 

1132
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:45,560
soldiers, that kind of form kind
of like a secret relationship 

1133
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,400
first, like when, when he. 
And then, yeah, the whole idea 

1134
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,720
is basically being a coward of 
like, war, but then also a 

1135
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,600
coward of, like, being yourself 
and a coward of like, what 

1136
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,640
people would do to avoid things.
And there's like, really 

1137
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,560
interesting Nuggets of things 
that they then don't explore to 

1138
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,240
go in other ways. 
Whereas like, the Bola Negra 

1139
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,920
feels like it leaves no stern, 
no stone unturned. 

1140
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,600
And that one also goes back to 
different periods of war. 

1141
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,240
So yeah, it's good, but not I 
wouldn't. 

1142
00:52:11,240 --> 00:52:12,360
I don't. 
He was good in it. 

1143
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,160
I don't actually know if I would
have given him that. 

1144
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,760
I might have given it to anybody
in the Bola Negra, but I don't 

1145
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:19,640
know. 
It was good. 

1146
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,800
It was good. 
Like, don't get me wrong, it 

1147
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
was. 
I didn't dislike my watch of 

1148
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,880
coward. 
And then just to round things 

1149
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,400
out, what did my guy Quinton 
Depew get up to in Fulfill? 

1150
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,960
Some weird shit, man. 
Chris just always is eating the 

1151
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,440
entire movie. 
There's not a single scene where

1152
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,200
she is not just scarfing. 
Yeah, but like, scarfing, like, 

1153
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,240
scarfing, scarfing, scarfing 
that food, just full fisting 

1154
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,880
hands. 
And then like, the whole thing 

1155
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:49,040
is the more she eats, the bigger
her dad gets. 

1156
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,640
Who is played by Wordy 
Harrelson. 

1157
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,640
But I will say there's like a 
moment where I'm like, is this a

1158
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,440
father daughter or is this like 
a very horribly age gapped 

1159
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:57,840
relationship in a failing 
marriage? 

1160
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,320
But no, it's like he's trying to
reconnect with his daughter 

1161
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,040
years later. 
It's so weird 'cause then like 

1162
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,400
the whole thing is like she's 
watching this horror movie 

1163
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,560
during the whole thing. 
And that's the only scene that 

1164
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,480
Emma Mackie's in as just her 
playing this like old, very like

1165
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,200
black and white John Carpenter 
style, like Scream Queen. 

1166
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,120
And then she's on the carpet 
carpet. 

1167
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,080
So I kept waiting for her to 
come back around it. 

1168
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,840
She doesn't. 
I can't remember the the girl 

1169
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,040
from White Lotus. 
I think maybe not White Lotus, 

1170
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,840
but she's in fresh. 
But Charlotte the bomb is 

1171
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,400
hilarious. 
Her whole thing is like, she 

1172
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,640
won't leave them alone because 
she feels like Woody Harrelson 

1173
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,880
is being too hostile. 
So that's the ongoing bit as he 

1174
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,880
keeps being like, can she do you
know what money I'm paying for 

1175
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,200
to be in this room? 
And they'll be like, oh, no, her

1176
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,600
instincts are very good. 
Have a good day, Sir. 

1177
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:53,640
And it's like, it's like, it's, 
yeah, it's, it's short, but it 

1178
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,160
felt long. 
That was one of those ones. 

1179
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,040
I'm like, OK, it's a really 
short movie, but it felt way 

1180
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,680
longer than it was when it was 
done. 

1181
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920
But. 
Not exactly the best letterbox 

1182
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,040
scores but you know, Depew 
always makes movies that are 

1183
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,760
super wacky and really out. 
There. 

1184
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:10,240
Not to everybody's taste. 
Like there was a lot of those 

1185
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:12,960
this year and like this one, I 
guess I was just kind of like, 

1186
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,160
well, at least, you know, I got 
to see Kristen Stewart being 

1187
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:16,800
weird. 
And there's like some just fun 

1188
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,000
on the nose jokes that like, I 
don't know if you don't know 

1189
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,440
that Kristen Stewart's married 
to a woman in real life, some of

1190
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,520
the jokes might not hit as well,
but like they're still funny. 

1191
00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,400
It's interesting. 
And there's like again, that 

1192
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,320
that one too. 
There's been like a whole civil 

1193
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:34,560
war happening around in the 
background is the backdrop to 

1194
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,600
this while they're just trying 
to live this like luxurious 

1195
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,840
experience. 
It's it's Quentin. 

1196
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,200
It's almost reminding me why, 
like man, whatever happened on 

1197
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,440
the tour for Deerskin made a 
does Hennel quit acting? 

1198
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,920
So like I don't know what's up 
with him, but I'm glad I I 

1199
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,360
experienced it. 
I went to the the late night 

1200
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,080
screening of that one and like 
that was the one I think all. 

1201
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,280
Right. 
Well, a lot of fun updates from 

1202
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:00,080
Khan. 
I'm really looking forward to a 

1203
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,080
lot of the movies you talked 
about. 

1204
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,120
I'm sure we'll be continuing to 
talk about them as they come out

1205
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,120
over the next year or two.