Let's start things off with a Steven Spielberg movie
disclosure day. I ended up getting into the New
York premiere of this movie and they had these nifty little
disclosure day. Popcorn.
Books that would have been nice. That would have been nice.
Spielberg. And, and the cast and crew were
there and so they handed out all of these like little stickers
and they were like, oh, put this on your phone flashlight.
I was like, OK, I'll put it on my phone flashlight.
And then they. Put it.
They wanted to do that thing where like they take a picture
of everybody with the back with their backs to the audience and
everybody had their phone flashlights on, but it was going
to be like the same blue as the disclosure day one.
Gotcha. I immediately lost my sticker so
I'm just a random white light in the background of that Spielberg
picture, but still a fun time was had.
It was ACIA, OP. You're the only one whose stuff
didn't get taken, Zach. Cat.
In the clear. All those phones, heck.
Disclosure Day. A bit of a return to the wonder
that we associate Steven Spielberg movies with the story
of a cybersecurity expert who becomes a whistleblower
uncovering the truth about aliens set on the run from the
corporation hunting him and his secrets down.
Amanda, you had a pretty strong reaction to the Steven Spielberg
movie, despite not liking how the animals looked.
Yeah, I still don't, Still don't I?
And this is, you know how sometimes you're like, oh, you
can learn to like a movie so much more when you make a video
about it. I think I started liking this
one even less the more I thought about it.
I have so many issues with this movie as a thriller.
It's a fun little thriller. It's got moments.
I love Josh O'Connor. I think some of the things that
it posits as like concerns and genuine things, I'm like, this
is do. I'm so sorry.
This feels stupid. It feels naive.
It feels like someone who hasn't interacted with reality in 10
years. And I know Spielberg keeps up
with things. So I just, I don't know, man.
I, you know, it's, it was, I don't hate the movie.
I kind of hate the movie. It's I'm all over the place on
the movie. I think Eve Houston's character,
just get her out, get her out, get her out.
And I don't, that's not against Eve Houston.
That's what her character is, what it represents, what she
goes through. I have so many feelings about
this movie that you can watch on my channel.
So I don't get in here. All right.
Did you hate the movie a little bit, a lot of it?
Or did you had a good time with Disclosure Day?
I like, it's supposed to be a throwback to, you know, a movie
that people might have received in the 1990s or 2000s where
there's a lot of faith in the world coming together to, you
know, would we all stop if that was the case, that aliens were
disclosed? But I felt like there was just
just a lot of the conceit of the movie is ridiculous.
Like the idea, like just the the the main premise is that you
obviously have these two individuals, one who is Acia or
like he he keeps the secrets from the government.
And now I'm getting in trouble for releasing the secrets that
they pay me to keep. Sounds cool.
And then you're like, you should be dead, bro.
Like this is the movie where people shoot like stormtroopers
and everyone misses. They've been keeping a secret
for 75 years. And the dumbest way of it being
leaked leaks, the whole conceit of these aliens and their plan
to get these people back out is a 75 year plan where they kind
of guess two people might interact and meet each other.
And it makes you go, I see why y'all were locked up for 75
years. I think it's a metaphor.
When he did ET, the whole bit was like they're missing a
father and ET kind of comes in and he becomes like a father
figure to them. He's spoken about that.
He's talked about, you know, the same thing for close Encounters,
one of his biggest ones where it was they were like bad would
have been War of the Worlds. And it was, you know, these
aliens that were here in our SO before they attacked.
And it's a 911 movie. I feel like when you're watching
this movie and you're seeing all the atrocities that are
happening up on screen, he's kind of relaying it to the
bodies that you're seeing in the news that they're pulling out
these, you know, innocent, I guess, illegal aliens.
I guess the the metaphor is pretty heavy-handed.
And the idea that if people today I guess is why it's been
very skewed for a lot of people, is that if we don't have
sympathy for ourselves, why are we going to care about these
little grey figures? And I think that's where it
split people really down the middle.
I love his blocking. There's some really cool shots.
There's a shot in the car. There's a lot of it, really
incredible filmmaking in this movie.
Beautiful stuff. No one can ever take that away
from him. But the story definitely feels a
little rough. It feels a little rushed.
I think doing a whole Nathan fielders the rehearsal gimmick.
49 iterations of the script if this.
They've been working on this thing for 12 years.
And it feels like there's splinters around.
Like, you know. Like, I wanted to like it a lot
more. I don't think it is a terrible
movie, but I wouldn't argue with anybody who came out really
frustrated with it, if that makes any sense.
I think that some people's reasons for being frustrated I
don't agree with. I think it's just like they just
I think that it's frustrating at what it is at its core and what
it thinks it's trying to say. Other people are like, I was
bored, which is fine. You're allowed to be bored by a
movie, but I don't, but I'm like, that is that's not the
problem here, my guy. Like my?
Even on the flip side, people overheating it, I also see
people overly defending it. It's he's he's he's worthy of
it. But I I kind of felt this.
Yeah, I kind of felt this like when it was bro.
OK, let me hit you with this. I heard the funniest meme with
the of this was that when M Night Shyamalan came out, what
that Time magazine call him the next Spielberg.
So someone had that joke of the Time magazine that called as we
bring the next. Shot hold on M night.
Yeah, that is funny because, I mean, we kind of have the same
excuse. This feels like an M Night movie
in a lot of ways. It's a similar sort of.
Movie. It's got a similar sort of like
mystical quality, like almost like fantastical quality more so
than a sci-fi quality to it. And.
Shyamalan handled that kind of like fantastical religious
element with what aliens might mean on earth with signs he did
it better. That guy already did it better
like 20 years ago now like. And it feels like that's the
time that this movie should have been released.
During that. Period of time.
Literally if this had come out 20 actually honestly 30 years
ago, this one I think would have been a little bit more apt.
I've I've seen a lot of this had released the same time as
Independence Day. They'd be really good.
Mirrors, mirror movies. Yeah, so.
I see. People got to bring it even with
the animals, like no, no, they just on purpose because they're
not. But no.
That's when you saw the normal. Looking fucking Ant, yeah?
I know that we have the whole like trap debate and people are
split on that one, but when it got to the point that no, his
daughter's acting bad on purpose, that's why I thought it
was funny and I was hearing it again here.
No, the animals were actually like indicative of no bro, it's
OK that it just wasn't there. I could see.
That when that eyes the rest of them, no.
That too. There's a, there's a lot of
other elements, yeah, also the whole.
Thing we have empathy for each other so let's traumatize these
fucking kids for life and like. I don't even unders.
Yeah, there's a lot of confusing parts.
It like the Joker in The Dark Knight, has a really crazy plan.
This seemed worse than that. Yeah. 20 errors.
It's a movie that I think I liked in broad strokes, like
it's got this old fashioned quality that you both are
mentioning to it that I think lends itself to that
Spielbergian type of filmmaking, right?
Like you, you mentioned the blocking, you mentioned how the
camera moves and, and there is some quality to it that really
sweeps you up and it really pulls you along.
Like this is at its heart kind of a chase movie.
And when it is that chase movie, it's really engaging and fun and
thrilling and it, it's kind of a, a really cool idea to be on,
you know, on the run with this secret that's sort of like
imbued in you or whatever. So there's, there's lots of
like, ideas in there that I really liked.
But as you were saying, the ideas just kind of don't add up.
They don't all make sense together.
Like if you do absolutely no nitpicking, you might not have a
problem with it. You do a little bit of
nitpicking, just the tiniest bit of nitpicking, and the thread
starts to unravel. Yeah.
Even at the end, it's point that is really stupid you're trying
to make and I'm like, we have a rival already.
Rival did that. It's already fucking there and
it had a reason for why it was able to infect everyone on earth
at the exact same time. Exactly.
Close Encounters and he mentioned a rival as the
spiritual successor to that. You could tell it almost feels
like he had that twinkle design after seeing.
Close Encounters. What which version?
There's like 3. I don't fucking know, whatever
one I said. Why?
Why don't you like close Encounters?
Deadbeat Dead. The movie, Yeah.
Everybody. 'S like it's so whimsical and
magical and I'm like, that man was a shit father, then a
deadbeat father and then he like. 100% and I was watching
the deadbeat. Dad's feelings.
Too. Yeah.
But I think that was a big part of it because I think funny
enough, Denny gave like a really good breakdown of it because he
was in the special features. And he said the scariest part
wasn't people coming in these aliens.
It was the fact that the father who's supposed to love you the
most was willing to leave if there's something there that
causes them to leave. And what is every Christopher
Nolan movie is not an apology to his kids for having to leave
because there's something else that draws you more.
And that's why I like close Encounters.
But it is because he is a deadbeat father and it's kind of
like calling him out a rival. I agree with you.
Nothing's going to touch that movie.
And this kind of felt like he was in his Jordan moment.
He saw Nope, he's seen a rival. And Spielberg's like, Nah, I
gotta remind these kids back to. The aliens, Yeah.
And I'm the. Guy A.
Little bit of a of a mist throat because as Zach's saying,
there's a lot to nitpick as well.
But it's also like the fundamental part of there are
parts that I do like the whole communication bit.
She gets this power and now as a news person who's relaying, you
know, things to people, but then they don't.
But when she's. Translating for the translator.
That's a great little bit She that was.
Great, but then they don't let her be the one relaying it.
Yeah, 'cause it's really confusing.
It's all about if. If you cannot communicate with
another person, that's where you really fall, right?
And I truly believe in that. I'll do.
That more because right now I think we literally are all
existing in different realities. So how can you have a
conversation with someone who exists in a different reality?
Aliens. Are going to.
Be the thing that make people suddenly be like, oh, OK.
So then why wouldn't the aliens who are telling you
communication is the key traumatize you for 35 years?
Yeah, he literally when he says he gets activated by the
cardinal years before when he's in college.
It ruined his fucking life. It ruined his life.
He is literally broken. She ends up in the.
Hospital. She's hiding your nightmares.
I ain't get it. I was like, what are we doing
here? I agree with this like emotion
almost like not severance. What's the Apple show, Purvis
this idea of can you can connect this hive mind so that we were
able to better see each other and connect and do all this?
And then they didn't do that for these poor or people who come
from broken homes. Yeah, man, like what are we
doing? The specifics of that also
wouldn't matter as much if like the the whole idea made a little
bit more sense, right? Like you can, you can have
characters endure hardships if there's like a greater purpose
in the end, but it just feels a little bit random, their plan.
And so it's like, why? Why put us through the, these
elements of it other than just sort of like the, the prolonging
of the mystery of the story and stuff?
So, but like, and that's The thing is like, if you're under
the spell of the filmmaking, a lot of those questions just kind
of like fall to the back of your brain and they don't really
matter as much. But I, I think ultimately this
is a movie that's completely lacking in cynicism.
And again, that sort of speaks to this old fashioned quality it
has where maybe that would fly in the 80s, early 90s.
We are existing in an area in an era with very cynical movies.
And I, I wish movies were less cynical, but I think you need to
to have a little bit more, more shrewdness than this.
That's where you have Project Hail Mary.
That is maybe because I had similar issues with that for
part of it, but then the rest of the movie kind of like becomes
about something else in a more individualized story.
So you can kind of root for it on the individual level.
I would agree that those are better.
It's. Kind of the 1-2 punch of those
ones, Disclosure J disclosure day made me appreciate Hail Mary
more. So like that we have that movie.
That's the one now, I guess. Like guys.
Didn't disclosure day just begin at the end of the movie?
Yes. That was right there bro.
Yeah, and again, I just. That's just such a funny thing.
Do you really think this is going to be the thing that
fixes? Oh, it's really cute people
still. They're like, OK, cool, I have
to go to work still. Yes, OK.
Yeah, I still gotta I. Can't afford anything still OK?
Yeah, you're just. Going to get more people
complaining about tax money, OK? Cool.
Yeah, Yeah, literally, that's what it would be like.
And it's like, that's what our tax money's been going to hide
in over the past fucking 75 years, like.
And I'd be curious because it it's really reliant, like Zach's
saying on old media, on the idea that we all still gather around
to watch the news as if it isn't on different platforms, on our
phone, how it would be manipulated and how we would be
contributing on social media. To people living in different
realities now I do again, I do. I literally my I was like, oh,
that's cute. That's really.
Cute. He just.
He gave us the Fable Mints and West Side Story not too long
ago. So it's like, I'm not, I'm not
like I'm not saying grandparents like he's still.
Spielberg It's still David Cope. That's the thing, right?
We we just need him to ultimately have a stronger
script. But like the filmmaking is still
there. And I do think like, yeah, we're
we're ultimately like kind of not I think mixed on the movie,
but I think my. Opinions keep going down.
A lot of a lot of the reason why I think it's worthwhile is like,
I think there is a level of craft here that is like far
exceeds what you see in your average promotion picture.
And there I think sometimes you can take for granted how
impressive some of this stuff is.
Like I I think there's just a pleasure in watching how he
decides to block and how he decides to move you through a
scene. So even if the story isn't
always cohering for me, I'm just really along for the
Spielbergian ride of it all. But also it's just wish it was
better. We're giving him the fucking
Snyder excuse. It's great to look at.
I know it's not the same and I know it's different and it's
different film making, but it's like.
When Josh O'Connor did the, I did think that was kind of
ripping off. Again this is a movie that
seeing it a second time heard it for me like the more time I
spent with it the more I rewatched things I was like
it's. Not a movie that holds up well
to scrutiny. Yeah, at all.
But I like the religious angle of it.
I know you were saying you want to cut out a character.
I just think they could have gone further because there's a
lot more that could happen there.
Do you see yourself as these, you know, individuals that came
out? Do they make your God more
official? Do they take away from your God?
And he's like, it's almost like the movie was meant again for
the old heads who are like, you guys are really worried to worry
about the one thing. But 30 years ago it affected
church. Yeah, now it's like, who the
fuck cares? Really?
That's your reason. Yeah, Marvel is doing more
because there's people on Earth who are worshipping Thor, and
they've created this like whole mythology for Thor here on
Earth. I'd be curious to see what comes
out of that. And I don't know, I feel like
the story barely begins where it gets interesting.
Yeah. But like Zach said, it's it's a
chase movie. And for that, you know, good
block. Yeah, great block.
I I had enough fun to be positive on it, even if I.
Don't think. It's the strongest movie.
I was initially ish still like not super but you know I liked
it and now I'm like.