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Let's start things off with a 
Steven Spielberg movie 

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disclosure day. 
I ended up getting into the New 

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York premiere of this movie and 
they had these nifty little 

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disclosure day. 
Popcorn. 

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Books that would have been nice.
That would have been nice. 

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Spielberg. 
And, and the cast and crew were 

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there and so they handed out all
of these like little stickers 

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and they were like, oh, put this
on your phone flashlight. 

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I was like, OK, I'll put it on 
my phone flashlight. 

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And then they. 
Put it. 

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They wanted to do that thing 
where like they take a picture 

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of everybody with the back with 
their backs to the audience and 

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everybody had their phone 
flashlights on, but it was going

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to be like the same blue as the 
disclosure day one. 

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Gotcha. 
I immediately lost my sticker so

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I'm just a random white light in
the background of that Spielberg

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picture, but still a fun time 
was had. 

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It was ACIA, OP. 
You're the only one whose stuff 

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didn't get taken, Zach. 
Cat. 

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In the clear. 
All those phones, heck. 

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Disclosure Day. 
A bit of a return to the wonder 

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that we associate Steven 
Spielberg movies with the story 

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of a cybersecurity expert who 
becomes a whistleblower 

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uncovering the truth about 
aliens set on the run from the 

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corporation hunting him and his 
secrets down. 

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Amanda, you had a pretty strong 
reaction to the Steven Spielberg

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movie, despite not liking how 
the animals looked. 

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Yeah, I still don't, Still don't
I? 

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And this is, you know how 
sometimes you're like, oh, you 

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can learn to like a movie so 
much more when you make a video 

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about it. 
I think I started liking this 

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one even less the more I thought
about it. 

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I have so many issues with this 
movie as a thriller. 

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It's a fun little thriller. 
It's got moments. 

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I love Josh O'Connor. 
I think some of the things that 

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it posits as like concerns and 
genuine things, I'm like, this 

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is do. 
I'm so sorry. 

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This feels stupid. 
It feels naive. 

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It feels like someone who hasn't
interacted with reality in 10 

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years. 
And I know Spielberg keeps up 

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with things. 
So I just, I don't know, man. 

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I, you know, it's, it was, I 
don't hate the movie. 

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I kind of hate the movie. 
It's I'm all over the place on 

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the movie. 
I think Eve Houston's character,

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just get her out, get her out, 
get her out. 

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And I don't, that's not against 
Eve Houston. 

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That's what her character is, 
what it represents, what she 

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goes through. 
I have so many feelings about 

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this movie that you can watch on
my channel. 

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So I don't get in here. 
All right. 

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Did you hate the movie a little 
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Or did you had a good time with 
Disclosure Day? 

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I like, it's supposed to be a 
throwback to, you know, a movie 

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that people might have received 
in the 1990s or 2000s where 

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there's a lot of faith in the 
world coming together to, you 

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know, would we all stop if that 
was the case, that aliens were 

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disclosed? 
But I felt like there was just 

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just a lot of the conceit of the
movie is ridiculous. 

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Like the idea, like just the the
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obviously have these two 
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like he he keeps the secrets 
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And now I'm getting in trouble 
for releasing the secrets that 

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they pay me to keep. 
Sounds cool. 

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And then you're like, you should
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Like this is the movie where 
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and everyone misses. 
They've been keeping a secret 

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for 75 years. 
And the dumbest way of it being 

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leaked leaks, the whole conceit 
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to get these people back out is 
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of guess two people might 
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And it makes you go, I see why 
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When he did ET, the whole bit 
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father and ET kind of comes in 
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figure to them. 
He's spoken about that. 

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He's talked about, you know, the
same thing for close Encounters,

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one of his biggest ones where it
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have been War of the Worlds. 
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aliens that were here in our SO 
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And it's a 911 movie. 
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this movie and you're seeing all
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happening up on screen, he's 
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bodies that you're seeing in the
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these, you know, innocent, I 
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I guess the the metaphor is 
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And the idea that if people 
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very skewed for a lot of people,
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sympathy for ourselves, why are 
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little grey figures? 
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split people really down the 
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I love his blocking. 
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There's a shot in the car. 
There's a lot of it, really 

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incredible filmmaking in this 
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Beautiful stuff. 
No one can ever take that away 

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from him. 
But the story definitely feels a

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little rough. 
It feels a little rushed. 

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I think doing a whole Nathan 
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49 iterations of the script if 
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They've been working on this 
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And it feels like there's 
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Like, you know. 
Like, I wanted to like it a lot 

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more. 
I don't think it is a terrible 

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movie, but I wouldn't argue with
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frustrated with it, if that 
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I think that some people's 
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don't agree with. 
I think it's just like they just

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I think that it's frustrating at
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it thinks it's trying to say. 
Other people are like, I was 

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bored, which is fine. 
You're allowed to be bored by a 

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movie, but I don't, but I'm 
like, that is that's not the 

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problem here, my guy. 
Like my? 

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Even on the flip side, people 
overheating it, I also see 

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people overly defending it. 
It's he's he's he's worthy of 

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it. 
But I I kind of felt this. 

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Yeah, I kind of felt this like 
when it was bro. 

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OK, let me hit you with this. 
I heard the funniest meme with 

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the of this was that when M 
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that Time magazine call him the 
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So someone had that joke of the 
Time magazine that called as we 

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bring the next. 
Shot hold on M night. 

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Yeah, that is funny because, I 
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excuse. 
This feels like an M Night movie

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in a lot of ways. 
It's a similar sort of. 

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Movie. 
It's got a similar sort of like 

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mystical quality, like almost 
like fantastical quality more so

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than a sci-fi quality to it. 
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Shyamalan handled that kind of 
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element with what aliens might 
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it better. 
That guy already did it better 

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like 20 years ago now like. 
And it feels like that's the 

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time that this movie should have
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During that. 
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Literally if this had come out 
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ago, this one I think would have
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I've I've seen a lot of this had
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Independence Day. 
They'd be really good. 

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Mirrors, mirror movies. 
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I see. 
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the animals, like no, no, they 
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not. 
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That's when you saw the normal. 
Looking fucking Ant, yeah? 

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I know that we have the whole 
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split on that one, but when it 
got to the point that no, his 

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daughter's acting bad on 
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was funny and I was hearing it 
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No, the animals were actually 
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OK that it just wasn't there. 
I could see. 

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That when that eyes the rest of 
them, no. 

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That too. 
There's a, there's a lot of 

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other elements, yeah, also the 
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Thing we have empathy for each 
other so let's traumatize these 

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fucking kids for life and like. 
I don't even unders. 

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Yeah, there's a lot of confusing
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It like the Joker in The Dark 
Knight, has a really crazy plan.

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This seemed worse than that. 
Yeah. 20 errors. 

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It's a movie that I think I 
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it's got this old fashioned 
quality that you both are 

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mentioning to it that I think 
lends itself to that 

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Spielbergian type of filmmaking,
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Like you, you mentioned the 
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camera moves and, and there is 
some quality to it that really 

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sweeps you up and it really 
pulls you along. 

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Like this is at its heart kind 
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And when it is that chase movie,
it's really engaging and fun and

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thrilling and it, it's kind of 
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you know, on the run with this 
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imbued in you or whatever. 
So there's, there's lots of 

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like, ideas in there that I 
really liked. 

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But as you were saying, the 
ideas just kind of don't add up.

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They don't all make sense 
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Like if you do absolutely no 
nitpicking, you might not have a

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problem with it. 
You do a little bit of 

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nitpicking, just the tiniest bit
of nitpicking, and the thread 

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starts to unravel. 
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Even at the end, it's point that
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to make and I'm like, we have a 
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Rival did that. 
It's already fucking there and 

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it had a reason for why it was 
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at the exact same time. 
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Close Encounters and he 
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spiritual successor to that. 
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like he had that twinkle design 
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Close Encounters. 
What which version? 

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There's like 3. 
I don't fucking know, whatever 

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one I said. 
Why? 

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Why don't you like close 
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Deadbeat Dead. 
The movie, Yeah. 

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Everybody. 
'S like it's so whimsical and 

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magical and I'm like, that man 
was a shit father, then a 

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deadbeat father and then he 
like. 100% and I was watching 

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the deadbeat. 
Dad's feelings. 

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Too. 
Yeah. 

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But I think that was a big part 
of it because I think funny 

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enough, Denny gave like a really
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was in the special features. 
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wasn't people coming in these 
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It was the fact that the father 
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most was willing to leave if 
there's something there that 

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causes them to leave. 
And what is every Christopher 

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Nolan movie is not an apology to
his kids for having to leave 

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because there's something else 
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And that's why I like close 
Encounters. 

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But it is because he is a 
deadbeat father and it's kind of

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like calling him out a rival. 
I agree with you. 

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Nothing's going to touch that 
movie. 

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And this kind of felt like he 
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He saw Nope, he's seen a rival. 
And Spielberg's like, Nah, I 

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gotta remind these kids back to.
The aliens, Yeah. 

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And I'm the. 
Guy A. 

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Little bit of a of a mist throat
because as Zach's saying, 

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there's a lot to nitpick as 
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But it's also like the 
fundamental part of there are 

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parts that I do like the whole 
communication bit. 

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She gets this power and now as a
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know, things to people, but then
they don't. 

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But when she's. 
Translating for the translator. 

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That's a great little bit She 
that was. 

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Great, but then they don't let 
her be the one relaying it. 

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Yeah, 'cause it's really 
confusing. 

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It's all about if. 
If you cannot communicate with 

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another person, that's where you
really fall, right? 

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And I truly believe in that. 
I'll do. 

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That more because right now I 
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existing in different realities.
So how can you have a 

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conversation with someone who 
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Aliens. 
Are going to. 

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Be the thing that make people 
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communication is the key 
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cardinal years before when he's 
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It ruined his fucking life. 
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He is literally broken. 
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Hospital. 
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I ain't get it. 
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almost like not severance. 
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this idea of can you can connect
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from broken homes. 
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wouldn't matter as much if like 
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bit more sense, right? 
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characters endure hardships if 
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in the end, but it just feels a 
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elements of it other than just 
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the spell of the filmmaking, a 
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of like fall to the back of your
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to have a little bit more, more 
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part of it, but then the rest of
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Didn't disclosure day just begin
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Yeah, and again, I just. 
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Do you really think this is 
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fixes? 
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still. 
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to go to work still. 
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complaining about tax money, OK?
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And it's like, that's what our 
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And I'd be curious because it 
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saying on old media, on the idea
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to watch the news as if it isn't
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phone, how it would be 
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contributing on social media. 
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realities now I do again, I do. 
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that's cute. 
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Cute. 
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He gave us the Fable Mints and 
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ago. 
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like I'm not saying grandparents
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Spielberg It's still David Cope.
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script. 
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there. 
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decides to block and how he 
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scene. 
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always cohering for me, I'm just
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Spielbergian ride of it all. 
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better. 
We're giving him the fucking 

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Snyder excuse. 
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I know it's not the same and I 
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different film making, but it's 
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When Josh O'Connor did the, I 
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ripping off. 
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seeing it a second time heard it
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spent with it the more I 
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it's. 
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to scrutiny. 
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I know you were saying you want 
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I just think they could have 
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Do you see yourself as these, 
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out? 
Do they make your God more 

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official? 
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And he's like, it's almost like 
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the old heads who are like, you 
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about the one thing. 
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church. 
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fuck cares? 
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That's your reason. 
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because there's people on Earth 
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they've created this like whole 
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Earth. 
I'd be curious to see what comes

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out of that. 
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the story barely begins where it
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Yeah. 
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chase movie. 
And for that, you know, good 

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block. 
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I I had enough fun to be 
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Don't think. 
It's the strongest movie. 

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I was initially ish still like 
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it and now I'm like.