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No, no, no. We will get into all the cage, a
Mac stuff and I want to start. I'm just, we're just going to go
for this. There's no great way to group
this other than just going Episode by episode with all the
cage, a gay stuff that happens. So that's, we're going to do
this. If starting first with episode
3, So this is the the sequence of stuff where KJ rescues Mac
went on. I don't know.
I know, I know this is bad but I have to no wonder.
It took me a few episodes to get into it.
I think it gave till episode 3. Yeah.
Okay, exactly. All right.
Exactly yeah. So I mean the fief are there 12
so it's fine. But yes, episode 3.
That's kind of where it all starts or at least becomes
obvious. So the heh It starts with them
on like Larry's farm and he tells them hey, you know, the
bad guys. They're closing in.
And so we got to get the fuck out of here and K.
Tree is the only one at this point.
Who's like, Max not with us. She's only want, everybody's
like, yeah. Let's get the fuck out of here.
Whatever occasion. Like I'm no, there's four of us
where where's Mac? And Larry says, the wrong thing
where he's like, yeah, I'm sorry, but she's probably dead
and KJ's face just transforms to Terror.
She's like, what do you say that?
Why the fuck would you say that? Why the fuck?
I know their children, their children.
I mean, they're children, who are being forced into this weird
adult situation, and so, cages response to this is fuck you and
she steals the motorbike in the garage, which is such a lesbian
move. And rides into town to find Mac.
Like what a lesbian. I love everything about that.
I'm here for it. I'm here for it.
Can you just love her TJ's stealing motorbikes that gets so
awesome. She says like I love it.
She says nothing. She's like huh.
And then later you just see her riding the bike and so great.
Well yeah, so when they're in the in the barn with Larry she
spots the motorbike and like the Shot lingers because they're
like whatever this she gonna steal it.
But her riding away and stealing it happens in episode 4.
So before that kind of happens, she has this.
Like she basically Hatches the quietly hatches this plan, and
so she's in like one of the rooms with younger Aaron and
she's like, hey, I google-mapped everything and I found Dylan's
address. And I'm going to go and don't
tell anyone. And so that's so she steals the
motorbike Like a typical 12 year old, and then the first scene we
get after this is the scene with her at Dylan's house and she
runs into Dylan's wife and this scene is so fucking cute.
So if I could get because she's just like creeping outside, I
try to like look inside without going inside cuz she's a kid.
She has like no power. She's just learned with the
Internet is and she's like, I hope this is right.
She's scared and called. Cautious as wormwood we totally
totally. So we're just kind of mature and
so the wife finds her and is like, hey are you Kimberly's
friend? And in cages, like I don't the
fuck you talking about. I do the monkey regret and then
she's like, oh, Joe her friends, call her Jo.
And I love that, this is cages like that.
Sounds like something Mac would pick us up.
He's like, yeah, Joe, Joe gender-neutral, Joe.
I love that detail and then she's like, all right, because
like, she's like, we're about to die.
We gotta go, we gotta do time but she's like, whatever, I'll
you're the adult. I can't say no to you.
Like KJ has so much guilt and she's always like Miss Manners
like a lot of the time. She's the one to apologize and
like, play with etiquette, which I assume she learned from home,
but he or she's like, yeah. Okay, the polite thing to do is
to go inside. So she she goes inside, Really
loving this scene. She has no idea.
She doesn't realize she has a crush on Mac yet.
She has no idea and the actress Just Nails it in this scene,
like nails it. And so the excuse she get but so
she has no idea. She has a crush but the excuse
she gives to the wife is me and Joe got into a fight and I just
wanted to apologize which is the most like couple thing ever like
it's I just love it. That's the first thing that pops
into her mind. You know, it's such a it's so
hilarious because she has no idea, but it sounds like she has
a crush on back and like the mom gets what's happening here.
And she's like, picking up the Vibes and she's like, well, I'm
glad she has a girlfriend like you and that's when KJ loses it.
Like she says the word and she's like start like know what know
like what girls are Tenzin. We're normal were normal.
Just this weird piece side thing.
It's the funniest fucking her. Spawns I've ever seen.
I didn't see it like that though.
Wait, did she mean it as girl? I was afraid that people were
going to be like, no, she meant it.
Like, girlfriend is in her friend and I'm like, even if she
did that, still to KJ is going to be using different.
But like I wanted to bring that cuz I thought like that, but
growing up my mom and her friends would always say
girlfriend like that. And on the inside, I would die.
I'm like, no, she, they're just my friend.
And like, I didn't understand that.
No. No, we understand this scene?
Yes. KJ's Panic is so.
Yeah, whether the mom meant it or not, it def it.
Cause like the moms like, yeah, sure.
I didn't, I didn't, I feel like a mom knows but she's like, I
didn't mean it that way. Please leave thought it was.
Just like, I felt the mom was a little more Progressive than me,
to going to give her kind of chips it.
Yeah. Like, we know the person that
she knew and she just to me. She just assumed It was like, oh
yeah, these kids are this kid is gay, like it's obvious and
Caitlyn, she came over on a motorcycle like listen, like,
okay, for those that were confused by the scenario.
Mac doesn't live here. Mac just got here yesterday.
This random girl drove a motorcycle tracked.
Her down to come apologize, because they got in a fight.
That's the most girlfriend. I've ever heard so like the boys
should ever, it's a gay shit ever the bomb gets that.
Yeah. So after KJ's adorable panicking
or she's like girls were just arguing friends.
We're not a friends p-side normal friends, the moms like uh
huh? Yeah sure girl, regular friends,
whatever whatever we can play that will play a game.
We'll play that game. That's exactly what the Mom's
doing. She's like cow chips.
Sure, it's the kits are first gay Panic ever.
It, it's the cutest. I think we're in the time
period. Where the mom would totally?
Yeah. Yeah, we're in 2019 at this
point. Correct.
Exactly. We're not in the 80s.
We're not in the 90s. Mom would understand this.
Because that's the progressive thing that's happening with kids
and they were Progressive family.
The first thing she offers her kale chips and cages like what
the hell is that? Because mom's in a different
like area of progressive, this mom gets What's Happening Here.
Yeah. Because the time period changed.
But I so I'm gonna let no keys. Yeah.
Or like I love the realism. This was a great choice by the
actress when she sits down. She gets the water and guzzles
it. That's so like real because of
what she was just doing. So like Kudos her.
Point the yeah, she gives her all this like Health Food in
cages. Like what is this?
Which is being delayed taking bites?
Because she's Miss Manners. She's like, okay, what is this?
Whatever you say? Yeah.
She's, you know, it was definitely me.
I'd be like, okay, I'll force it down.
Yeah, that's KJ. It's so cute.
She's so, relatable. Last thing, I want to say about
this. Scene is a PSA to straight
women, please stop calling platonic girls that are friends.
Girlfriends. Please please, stop doing that.
It's so fucking confusing and unnecessary.
First of all, to gender your platonic friendships like, why
are you doing this? Just their friends, because that
means something else. And when you say that to Baby
gays, they react like KJ whether or not they say it out loud.
Like you said Katelynn its internal where you're like?
What, no, that's not we're just but didn't hear the word
girlfriend. You're like what you panic
immediately and you don't understand why your Like a Jew.
Doesn't know why she's panicking.
She's like I don't know why I'm panicking like this, but I'm
panicking and I can't stop talking and I'm doing weird
stuff. Like this is what happens a
little baby games on the inside, please stop doing that.
It's all this is what I tell people.
There are people at my work that are middle-aged will say that do
this in front of me. And I always make fun of them
for it just because I want them to realize that you may not have
been exposed to any gay culture. But we're gonna have this, we're
going to have Of this discussion because it's a thing that
happens and you can't just say shit anymore, and it be totally
overlooked or whatever. Yeah, she's like, realize it.
And it's not, it's not a big deal.
It's not a huge horrible thing that they're saying, it's just
Why just why I understand the oldest in this binary, where you
feel like you need to specify that it's your girlfriend and
not another friend of a male gender or something, but it's
not, it's not, it's not what it means.
I feel like it comes from patriarchy crap or women.
It does my friend who's a girl? Like I wasn't hanging up, man.
Is that were automatically romantic for straight people
that exactly all friend. Yeah, that makes sense.
And y'all who does reaction videos on our Channel with me,
her when she says that. And she says a lot of things
that are like patriarchal society stuff.
And I'm just like, girl, I know you're a strong independent
woman. I'm on it.
No, it's not. It, it's not applicable anymore.
Those words mean different things.
Please stop. Its, it is traumatizing to gay
people. When you say that stuff, because
we get confused or like, what do you mean like?
What like yeah, please stop doing.
In that stop gendering your platonic friendships, they're
just friends, friends. PSA, you really feel the need to
let people know what their gender is.
Just if they've got a gender specific name, use that, I
don't. Yeah, my friend Karen, what find
Julie? I I feel like Janet from the
good place whenever my mom introduced like this.
So, this is Caitlin and she her and her girlfriend girlfriend
went and did this. I like not my girlfriend.
So yeah, not a girl's girl friend.
Okay, I've really funny that you mentioned Janet.
I was like thinking about it in preparation for this episode.
I'm like I feel like we're going to bring up Janet from the good
place at some point. I just have this feeling Roxy
Cardinals coming up in this episode.
She's not even in this. So, thanks Caitlin.
I predicted in my brain around a little, but not here.
So I love it. But yeah, why.
Oh, is there another part another part?
Yeah. Okay.
Okay, so Zach Toombs. Amazing sir, yes she is amazing
and we will gush about her in a different episode.
Not about paper rolls, but back to KJ is rescuing MAC Mission.
So after the pirate shows up KJ, get the fuck out of there and
gets on her super gay motorcycle and goes to the chilies and
interrupts Max. This is so this scene was super
heartbreaking but she interrupts Mac and Dylan's like big I love
you heartfelt hug. And it's so sad because like mac
is finally like getting the love.
She deserves and gonna get live the life.
She always wanted. And it gets ripped away from her
like by k.j. like, in Max mind. And what I love though, that
like mac tries to resist her and she's like no, no like, no, no,
no, but Katie when it comes to Mac, she doesn't back down.
When it comes to Mac. She's like the only one who like
just gets through to Mac and she does she's persistent about it
and she's like, no, like The that scary woman is without your
dad, with your brother's house. She's coming to kill us and
she's gonna kill that. Like that's what's going to
happen here. Like, this is too important.
I'm sorry, but you have to come with me.
Like, I know you hate me right now, but you have to come with
me. And, and it's so sad and I just,
I love that it's KJ's. No, that's the one who gets
through to Mac constantly, like they kind of do that for each
other, which is really sweet. And because like, again, this
scene is not from the comics, this was just for the show and
it just, I love that. It's the two of them.
In the scene and just Mac was finally starting to accept like
okay I could do this like yeah I know I know it's just so
heartbreaking. A talking about adopting her.
Yeah like she was in a weird but like at the same time as to
happen legally. Yeah.
To take care of her. Yeah and it's just it's so sad
and she has no time to really process this she just gets
ripped out of it so that when they're on the bike ride back,
we get these beautiful shut. This beautiful shot so sad, but
So beautiful and well done and it's just not a word is spoken
and it's just KJ focused on getting them back in time so
they don't get left behind and Mac just breaks down like and
just is hugging KJ and there's a crying on her shoulder and after
a minute like A.J realizes what's happening and she's like
oh shit like and it's just not a word is spoken but it's so like
Monumental countries have her so she could be vulnerable in front
of it. That's huge exactly like us.
With Dylan, she wasn't fully vulnerable with Dylan.
She still kept walls up. They were starting to come down
like with the hug with Dylan, that was like, so she was just
so exposed and just stays that way with KJ.
She doesn't put the walls back up yet, like it's very
significant for Mac who like never puts her walls down.
Also, she went from like hugging Dylan and she's like, well,
you're still a safe person for me.
I just will fall to you. Like I need someone there for me
right now. And she never had them.
Yeah, and I love that like, hey, Jay doesn't say anything.
She just lets Mac cry because, like, mac is somebody like, who
doesn't cry a lot. Like, I'm like, I do, I don't
really cry a lot. And so, like, when I, when I get
to that point, I don't want to fuckin talk about it and like
neither does Mac and like, I think KJ understands that and
just just like sees it and just like, Let Her Cry.
If kid, you would have said something Max walls would have
gone, right? Exactly, exactly.
I think AJ Khanna understands that I feel like she's she's
somebody to who A cry a lot or doesn't have people who
comforter. So kind of you know, that
darkness and KJ she kind of gets this and just they're just
perfect for each other, very cute.
They're a lot of these characters are very good like
complimentary personalities to each other.
And that's why I love the dynamic of all four of them.
They all kind of play off each other in these really
complicated ways. That is just, it's very
beautiful. Like to watch these characters
interact with each other. I also feel like Mack did
realize that she didn't belong. I know it wasn't her time kind
of thing. Wasn't?
Yeah. And I know Wilders fault.
Well, she's it is. It's a Wilder Mom, she's
processing everything on the back of that motorcycle.
It's just like like what do you do?
There's nothing you can do. Also her being pulled from that
life. She's like that was the last
chance for me to have a taste of what the future could have been.
Yeah, she's like well now, I will never know.
It's going back to. The situation and sad.
Yeah her character is so tragic. Like ironically.
No tragic. I wish we got like at least a
little bit of a scene of Dylan. Realizing where is she?
I think I kind of want to see like the aftermath of all that.
Oh my God like you wouldn't season 2.
Unless they erases Like Pirates was in there?
Yeah, I think who knows? He may not have had time because
she just she saw. The motorbike was like, fuck.
I got to get them, so maybe she didn't.
And I feel like, I feel like Dylan I mean at first when he
sees Mac, he's like he kill I can't believe what's happening
and then he finally has like, all right, this is actually your
real this is real. I'm not going to fuck this up,
like I think that he wouldn't give up on.
He would search for her forever. Like that would traumatize him
all over again where he's like I'm not losing my sister again.
I'm going to look everywhere, missing persons, like he would
really do. He was like, he would lose it.
I think his current life would probably fall apart, I think so
he would become obsessed with finding his sister.
Yeah, I yeah. I think this would ruin if
that's really someone can write that fiendish if you want to
cry. Go right, baby.
Yeah, but like so much that could be done there as well. no,
it's just it's just not in the I'm sorry I'm not here for that
torture porn. Yeah.
And then Wilder would show up and I don't, you know, I was
just saying like it would be a story guys.
I didn't say it was for everyone, I'm with you Caitlin.
It's a village with the two members and a no, not against
you. Dylan is I love the way they did
older Dylan. He's so interesting.
And just I love the evolution of their relationship and how its
shown Yeah, I don't think Dylan whenever his life would fall
apart, he wouldn't give up on his sister a second time.
He never actually did you know? Yeah.
There's one more day before we leave the chili scene and jump
on over to like young KJ, meeting old KJ.
I want to go to, let's say, one last thing about this chili
Zine, but I just think it's hilarious.
So, when Pirate shows up and like goes into the restaurant
and was like approaching Dylan, and then sees them on the motor
motor bike, she turns and runs and gets the fuck out of there.
And deliberately runs this poor service worker who's carrying
dishes, and I'm like, girl, you didn't need to knock that person
over. That person does not get paid
enough for this. She like runs she like purposely
like runs into them instead of going to the door.
And justice for service work. This is all I'm saying, that was
not. I don't know what time you're
in. That is not cool.
You treat them with respect at all, don't know the kid, right?
It's like, why did you have to eat the door?
Was Come on, out Pirates. That's fucked up.
It respires whatever your goddamn name is Andres lunch
bag. I feel like it's easier to say
it really, really is petition to change her name to Indra.
Well. I can't wait.
Any did I need to get into baby? Kale?
And. All right, so we're going to get
to probably the biggest comic book deviation that there is and
that's young KJ and old KJ because in the comics we never
see old KJ at all. We see a version of Old of KJ
who's older but it is an actually her.
It's like I'm not even gonna get into it but like this all of
this, none of this happened. I'll KJ never learns her future
never. So we don't actually know what
happens to her. So all of this was manufactured
for the show and it is the most brilliant choice I have ever
seen in anything. And this is what made me fall in
love with the show. Was this because it's so
brilliant. It is, it is so, where does it
start? So this is all on episode 4.
They end up in 1999 and it's this Fourth of July party
happening at KJ's house. So we all get to like literally
step inside the mansion that quote unquote that KJ lives in
everybody, gets a walk in her life and kg it takes her a while
to finally like go in because I think kg doesn't really want to
see her future because there's a line with when she's talking to
Erin when she's hatching the rescue Mac plan when Aaron's
Like why aren't you curious about your future?
You're the only one who doesn't say anything.
And KJ has this really heartbreaking sentiment where
she's basically like, because I'm not curious about my future
because if my mother got her way like I don't want to see that, I
don't want to see my future. The one that my mom is planning
for me, I don't want to see myself.
What he's basically saying is I do I know I'm going to be
unhappy if my mom gets her way and I don't want to see that.
Like there's no hope for my future kind of think she just
feels like the Futures the walls cause it's out of her control
Mama's control in her life. So she really Hesitates before
going in here. And so keeping that in mind, I
love how this unfold because KJ sees herself, well, and high.
She grabs Mac because lesbian and hide and is watching her
older self. Talk to this preppy dude.
This douchebag kind of looking dude and Mac comments, like oh
she's like hey this she's you know.
Not a hockey freak like not what I was expecting but kg doesn't
seem surprised me that. She's like, this is what my mom
wanted, like, see, I see the way I'm dressed, I'm talking to this
guy. I hate this guy and she keeps
saying it out loud. Like, I hate this guy.
I hate this guy, like she doesn't know this guy, but hates
him. And especially in Mexico, that
guy really wants you. And she's like, no, no, no.
Like I, I'm reacting badly to this and I don't know why quite
yet, but I hate everything about this.
My mom got away and it really like, escalates when mom shows
up to Old KJ and she's like, oh, isn't she so pretty?
And like, do you want to date? Her is basically mom's trying to
auction off her daughter to this like entitled white dude.
And what I love is that older caging starts cringing Nope.
Nope. Because you can see older cages
not happy, mom has her influence and she just starts being like,
you don't have to be, we don't have to like you don't have to
be polite. Don't have to be polite.
Like really like, leave me alone.
Dude. Leave me alone.
And older Cajun Aid. Makes us excuse.
She's like, I need to check on my friend, which is code for
girlfriend. If you're gay.
You're like my friend who's not down here and she's like I'm
gonna go buck by And what I really, really love about this
whole interaction here. Is that what's happening?
Really is like old KJ is like living though is like acting the
way mom wants her to act, but young KJ is giving us older kgs
like inner monologue, like she's saying, all the things out loud
that she can't say when she's trapped in these positions.
So like older cages. Like I hate this guy and younger
K. Just sitting there.
I fucking hate this guy hates. She's saying, what's an older
KJ's brain? So I I love the way they're
doing this, because what it seems like it seems like cages
life doesn't change. Like this is, it's all the
fucking same. Like she's still keeping up
appearances. Like mama taught her and she's
miserable doing it. Like, you can see older KJ doing
these things were, she like looks away and she's like, I
hate this like and younger Cadiz voicing out out loud, how older
KJ feel. So it seems like they're on the
same page the way like younger Tiff and older Tiff for kind of
very similar but later KJ finds out.
That's not really the case. It's like she's doing that
because she's still playing nice with mom is basically what still
happening but she fucking still hates it, right?
Huh. Like I'm watching it is so yeah
that's why it's so meta in a way.
Yes. It's, that's the part where I
really enjoyed the time. Travel aspect of the show was
this very moment. We're young, KJ is like, nope,
nope, nope. And older and older KJ.
And her head is like, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay, gay gay.
Yeah, really literally, but younger KJ doesn't have the
language for that yet. So she's just fucking hate this.
I hate this. She keeps saying it.
And older cages like I could be making up with girlfriend gasps
to this douchebag, you know, if the parents know that she's gay
or what her mother be doing this, if she was no, I'm pretty
sure KJ hides that from her. Yeah well I mean I just didn't
know if like she knew but she was still trying to push guys on
her. Well, I mean that could very
well be but I could be I feel like at this point, I think they
would hold I also feel like if that was the case Lauren would
not be allowed in that house. Hell yeah.
You know that Mama seems like the type that would be like no.
She's the one that made you gay. She's not allowed in my house.
Like Mom gives me that energy, you know.
Yep. Those totally how I see it too.
So I really yeah. Totally under the she's in the
closet. Yeah.
From Her Mama. She's in the closet.
I feel like in New York. She's like yeah, she found her
people. Like, you know, in New York
she's got the big gay energy. She's got a big AMG everywhere
but I love her. She's so relatable.
Yeah. So that seeing I giggled my way
through that seen me do I loved every moment inside of kjzz
house I'll just put it that way. Katie's dog like that.
Okay, first that has nothing to do with the gay stuff and I
wasn't going to bring this up but Would break my heart to be
like my dog, at the end of their life.
Like she had her as a puppy and then jumps 10 years in the
future, and you're like, and like struggling to walk.
And now, I'm so sad but I love that.
The dog is like, j.j. Like the dog knows her like,
yeah, dude. Mom it's so cute, ouch, but I
love that you said that this was so mad at like, honestly like
yes, this is the thing. I appreciate like I Like the
time travel fighting stuff is cooler, whenever I like it more.
So, in just this, the planes are here, the storytelling aspect
because you get to see these like interactions.
It wouldn't be possible. Any other types of?
Can you hear the plans? Yeah, it's Fleet Week, everyone
look it up. Welcome to Fleet Week, welcome
to Fleet Week. It's starting later than normal.
So you're going to hear essentially there are fighter
jets flying over my house and you're gonna just gonna keep
hearing them. I can't control them.
Call your Congressman, I guess, or Miller.
Anyway, so hungry. Alright, so we're going to leave
the downstairs party if that's cool with you guys, and go
upstairs. Yes.
All right. So this is kg part where we
wanted to go to. This is where we wanted to.
Yes. So cages, curiosity gets the
better of her when she's finally in the house and she's like,
What is my like, what is my life?
Because I'd already looks terrible and she ends up going
up the stairs to where her bedroom is.
And, as she's doing that, she passes, like I love the setup
because she passes all these pictures of herself.
It's her playing field hockey, which is like the only picture
where she genuinely looks happy. Then it's her in the bottom.
It's the dress. The one that was hanging in the
closet and then it's her with a boy at prom, so she's getting
all these pictures of like fuck. My mom got exactly what you
wanted. She's seeing it in this hallway.
She's like my mom and my mom. This is what my mom always said.
My life was going to be. She picked my clothes crap.
I'm really living her life like fuck and they should go sir
room. Also, to hide to be like her
safe place in the house, probably was room and she's
like, I need to go to my room. Yeah.
And then she goes to her room. And she first of all, the first
thing you see, is this what? Femme Nikita poster in her room?
I know it was the first thing I was like, Hey, and Kate and
kitten. Like these are movies that don't
exist and in cages, Room did not have posters on it, so she's
like, what the fuck is this? And it's trying to figure out
what it is because she doesn't know what love Femme.
Nikita is other than like girl, you gay?
Like that's what. Yeah, that's what it means.
I do know what is that? It seems to be show.
Oh, was it? It was both.
I think hers was the movie poster but yeah, it was teenager
coaster. Yeah, I just figured that
Caitlin. May be more familiar with the TV
show. I know nothing at all.
So the movie Was better, obviously, but there's a movie
in a TV show. The TV show is more.
Widely known. Just it's a Thing.
If you it was it was a gay thing when we were.
Yeah, I'm using Google. Go ahead.
All right, Caitlin educate. All right so then she goes into
the room and she's staring at this poster.
Trying to figure out what's happening the camera pans and we
see there's somebody else in the room and it's Lauren who's kgs
future girlfriend. So again The Meta shit happening
here too, is like crazy and I love it.
And basically The back, we never get cages backstory and I love
the choice instead of like with Tiffany and Aaron where they get
their backstory from themselves KJ, never gets that.
She gets her future read to her by her future girlfriend and I
love this too. Lauren is adorable and I love
this choice and Lauren basically tells her that like kg took
control of her life. Like you take eventually, you
take control of your life, you go to NYU, you don't go to
business school. Like your mom said you follow,
Your passion, which is movies. And you don't do things exactly
the way your mother wanted. So like, even though KJ is
currently downstairs, like keeping up appearances, from Mom
at Mom's party for the neighbors to like put on airs or whatever.
You actually got out of here and went made your own wife and like
Cajun can't even believe this. She's like white like I and I
love. And she's like do you like
movies in cages? Like I guess so.
I guess like because watching movies wasn't clearly a thing
when she was younger. And she's like I didn't really
think about this as a career because mom was just like you're
going to go to business school and all this and she's like I
guess like because I end up making movies like, I guess this
is what I wanted. So it's like she's learning all
this stuff about herself that she never thought was even
possible and is kind of trying to process that and then she's
like, okay, I need to get out of here for a minute and Lauren's
like hey, you To come to the movies with me and KJ because
we're going to go watch this like artsy movie that's gonna
make you love film basically. Wow.
Why I love film? Come see it?
Which again they have shared interest so it's because they're
dating. So it's going to make sense like
she's gonna love it too. So I love that and in cages like
being polite just like I had to ask my parents for just such a
total of real thing to do and she like politely backs out of
there and she's like I hope to see your move your name on a
poster one day so fucking cute. It is Adorable.
It's so cute and so like, I know it's so polite but also like,
again, it's you telling your future girlfriend.
I hope you make it one day. Like it's just the metal thing
is super cute to like hey just consciously like nice to her and
has no idea what it's horrible and then and then and then KJ
tries to leave and then older cages coming up the stairs.
So she's like, Fuck. I don't want it.
I don't want to meet me. Fuck this and heís because like,
again, cages progression is like, she gets to the precipice
of figuring out, what's happening in the car.
Like Retreats and processes and that's what keeps happening with
her. So, she's like boxes.
Should it be meeting themselves? I agree, I learned nothing from
Legends of tomorrow. No, well they it didn't come out
yet in 1989 or idiot. So they were bombs going on 98
99 and 99. So all right so kg hides in the
bathroom so I love that. You said that the bathroom is
like you're safe place, Cajun runs the bathroom and like, okay
again she's the one to beat herself but she's like I'm gonna
watch this because damn, I really like when I'm away from
my mom because clearly I'm different and she watches
herself interact with Lauren and it's It's the cutest like
flirting shit that starts happening like full-on flirting
and then they start making out and cages like wait, why it's
like, wait, wait wait wait, what?
I'm gonna walk source of the bathroom and then goes through
the five stages of gay grief, like a panic, all up and down.
Yeah, she the actress again fingernails and she takes up the
whole space in the bathroom. She like falls in the corners
like what the fuck and starts pacing and goes to the seat.
Like she takes a ball. That space and like, this is so
real. Like the way she like plays it
out is so real, very accurate. It's so accurate.
And I love the choice that they like when she gets to the mirror
and like looks at herself, they let her really play it out and
she it's like everything slows down when she's looking at
herself because before that, she's like this can't be real.
This can't be real. And then she looks at herself in
the mirror and she her breath start like evening.
B shirts coming down and you start seeing like the wheels
turning and she thinks about it. She's like Fuck.
Like is this it is, is this why I don't fit it like is there's
some truth to this. Like I feel like there's some
truth to that and I love that they really let her process and
sit in it. Because oftentimes when
characters like young characters or characters are having their
first like, gay realization, kind of moment, it's always just
like immediate panic and then it like goes away but like they
really like cake. AJ sit in it and like have that
initial freak out and then like slow down for a minute and be
like huh shit no this kind of makes sense you know like you
can like see it on her face her being like fuck yeah wait yeah
that's clicking into place that's cooking into place.
Yes like little pieces of her life that keep hauling exactly
what happens to you directly. Wow.
Okay. So that's why that and that's
why that yeah you know, when you have those will have those Yes,
you're like oh yeah. That was really gay that I was
doing. Yeah.
This makes sense. This makes and I told you about
holding the hands with the girl at soccer and getting in trouble
if that's okay. Just remember just like that's
why I like that girl my field hockey team a little too much
like you know, she's having those thoughts and she's like
Fuck that's why I hated that guy downstairs.
Like, that's why. When everyone talks about boys,
I don't give a shit. Yeah, I don't fit in with that.
Oh, I hate to go remember having those Conversations with people
under like, uh-huh. I don't get this.
My mom always brings up when I shoved a kid on a, on the
playground for try to kiss me like there's like, oh my God,
he's so cute and I'm like, okay sure.
Fine, what the fuck ever mean? He's got a face.
Like I don't, I think something is wrong with me because I'm
like all the girls are saying, like this kid is cute and I'm
just like, no, I never even thought there was anything wrong
with me so much as I I was just like, Okay, sure.
No, I'm not analyzing that. Goodbye.
I got to like high school and I'm like, why don't I like
anybody? Okay, and that's so real.
And this is why having representation like this matter
so fucking much. Because when you don't when you
that's what cages processes, she's like something's wrong
with me and I don't know what it is and here she's like Oh, not
that there's anything wrong with the first, she's like, oh, is it
wrong? But like, she's but it feels
right, like I look happy. I that I think that's the thing
that really gets her. She's like I look happy with
her. I'm happy.
Like and when your interests are you and I love it.
Yeah yeah. But like for so many people
especially like think about a cages from like she's growing up
in like the 90s basically as a kid 80s 90s.
This there's no representation for KJ.
KJ. Wouldn't know?
This is okay. That's why it's like, she
probably had no idea until she went to New York, where it's
more of an artsy place where more queer people are.
That's where Stonewall happened. There's more queer
representation happening. I Kaitlyn And so kg probably
wasn't exposed to this as an option for herself until she
went to film School almost like oh, there's other people like me
and probably met Lauren. I was like, oh, you're like me,
this is okay, like this is why I like being exposed to this and
seeing kids process this in like that.
It's okay. This is an option is so fucking
important and yeah, screw all the people who don't think it is
yeah it matter. I love that love it, that okay,
so my Whole gay realization was because of another was because
of a crush on another person and that's sort of the case where a
lot of people. But what I love is that KJ gets
the gay realization because of KJ just
to see her. Making out with a girl in the
future. It is like like so she doesn't
know what the fuck. Yeah, it's literally that's me
doing that. That's me.
It's not okay.
It's okay. I'm gay as fuck.
Okay, I have to pause here and say this is something that
actually does happen in the comics in which cages
realization is KJ, seeing KJ, being gay and being like, fuck,
I'm gay, but instead of like all the stuff, Up with Lauren.
Kg sees herself kissing back and it's like oh oh oh shit
immediately put them together. Yeah and then yeah, kg is on
like, oh okay. So I'm a lesbian and there's no
processing it. She's just like so that's going
to happen. Yeah.
She's just like yeah. And then like Is it later that
will go to that one later but she just like fully accepts it
like? Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of weird. So I again prefer this because
the addition of Lauren was brilliant.
Sorry the fucking point. The addition of Lauren is really
brilliant and the fact that we have the scene in the bathroom
where KJ is processing this I feel like that's something that
gets glossed over with queer stuff.
A lot is processing shit. It's just leapfrogging right
into the the drama of like homophobia and like what does it
mean a my parents hate me. And it's like, you never get to
see them like process. This like this is I thought the
scene was so unique and beautiful and well done, and I
just, it's so important like to just see her be like, okay, it's
my favorite scene in the whole series.
It's so fucking good this. Yeah, I agree.
This is actually, this is easy. This is the best scene and I
love the next scene. We're about to go into because
the movie theater scene. Okay, anything else.
Okay, I don't know which one actually, I don't know.
And I like - just let's get into it.
I know, I know I just again the addition of Lauren like I just
love it so much. I love life.
I love Lauren. Okay.
So now we're going to go to the movie theater scene.
Everything about the scene is absolutely brilliant as well.
So kudos to whoever came up with this, it is just everything.
So again at this point, kg still has no idea how her life is
really going to turn out the way it does.
She just understands things happen like film school
girlfriend. and, But she doesn't understand like why it's
happening or like how so she's like, still curious about
herself because in her life, she's trapped in Israel and she
feels very Doom. But she's saying like maybe
maybe maybe I'm not so doomed. And so she goes into this movie
theater and when she first gets in there like actually in the
theater, was it worth playing? She looks like terrified and
excited. All at.
Once at this point KJ doesn't fully understand how she got how
she's going to grow up to be this lesbian and phone school.
So she's like, how did I get here?
What is going on? So she goes to the movie
theater, like, takes Lauren up on our offer, goes to see the
Kubrick movie. And when she gets in the theater
like where it's playing, she looks terrified and excited.
Because again that's that's like the future, right?
The future is terrifying and excited.
It's just all at once on her face and she sees herself.
She's herself sitting with Lauren and she sits behind them,
like, doesn't go up to them and just as, like, kind of still
observing, because she still, like, how do I get here?
She's doesn't fully to. Yeah, it was weird awesome.
You wouldn't join yourself cages.
The only one who understands Time travel.
You don't go sit with yourself. Don't do that, but like against
you in the room with them, it don't, you do.
Just don't if you're gonna go, sit in the back, but I love that
they do this because it gives you some really cool shots of
just like KJ. Again, you see so much about
gold KJ and young age and they never actually interact with
each other. So, this was a good film film
wise as a really good choice. And so at first, when she sits
down she's not there for the movie, she's watching herself
and Lauren like she's fixated on that because again she's like
what the fuck, how and older KJ is like being cute with Warren.
She's like, putting her arm over her shoulder and they're like
snuggling in the dark and like cages being the one that
initiates it. So, she's being like,
affectionate like out, like, in the dark.
And immediately younger KJ is watching this and starts
panicking, like she did before, she starts having those really
Panicked breaths like, she's in the bathroom, but then, she
looks up from them and actually watches the movie.
And, as she's doing this, like, the music starts, swelling, and
young KJ starts becoming absorbed in the movie, and you
can see the shift occurring on her face because she's starting
to connect with the film. And ultimately becomes a very
swept up in the art and by the time he like cut back to her in
this movie theater, she is just fully engrossed in the movie.
Like she's not even watching herself like she is watching
this movie and there's a shot of just like from the front of the
stage and you can see that young cage.
An old cage are both like engrossed in the smooth.
Like they're having the same like experience with this art.
Like you can see it like that. They're the same person, they're
connecting with this art. Art and to me, I thought that
was so relatable because like, that's literally why we have
this podcast because having like a connection with art is just so
it's such a human thing and it's so beautiful.
And I love that you just see the two sides of KJ having this
experience at the same time with the movie.
It's it's incredible. And in that moment you're like
that's how young it k. J becomes old KJ, like you can
like see the transition happening.
It's so cool. Yep, and I wanted more.
selfishly wanted more of I just wanted my entire story of kjzz
that now I want it to I mean if we all have on it yeah I
literally just want a story. I want the whole story of future
KJ. Yes.
And I want the story of how KJ seeing future, KJ effects KJ's
seriously seriously because like I love the cage and math stuff
but I also love KJ Lawrence I can't lie like I know you.
Oh, she's so sad. That would be.
So technically at this point Mac is going to yes.
Mac has been gone for or about The I think, hey, Jays first
film should be about. Realizing how the fuck gaeshi
trolling that? I mean, yeah, I would watch that
also. So there's just, there's a
sequel to cater is her actual movie.
Come on, somebody pick this up. Like I want all of those things.
All of them. Come on.
Just give Fina her own show. Based serious.
Yeah, she just Nails this part. It's so crazy.
How good? Again, the crazy.
Good actors. I love her.
I would love to talk to you. I want to know if she thinks
damn it. He to yes.
I want us to talk to her so bad me to write.
I'm trying guys. We're trying tweet her.
Oh yeah Tweeter for us please. Yes please.
And if for some reason we do get her before.
Then we'll put a note in here about sex.
Leave her alone, they run. Okay.
So then then then then we get to the big big, big scene after the
movie experience ends. And this scene is just the
actual cutest and it's cages big tossed with Lauren and
everything about. This is just perfection and I
love that KJ exit the movie exits.
The movie first and is just creepily waiting for them to
come out when she's playing with a pamphlet, she's like I'm good
and once again she waits for older self to get the fuck out
of there and she's witnessing another scene where like older
KJ is being like affection. It was Lauren like she almost
like leans in like she's gonna kiss her butt and it's like oh
shit, we're in public and then goes to the bathroom and
Lauren's like all right. Yeah, I'm going to get food.
So she gets another glimpse of like, I'm so fucking happy in
the future, like she's like, seeing it play out.
So, like so many times and again, I just feel like,
happiness is such a rarity for young KJ.
She's just like, So fixated on this and that's I think that's
what's really drawing her into this like story.
She's like, well I'm happy I can't believe this.
I keep seeing it. So she needs to know how do I
get here? So she goes to Lauren and she
like awkwardly, he's like hey it's fucking cute.
It's such a kid thing. She's like yeah.
Like I don't want to bother you but I need to talk to you and
Lauren is like the sweetest music.
I did that planet. You're looking just like, hey,
it just such a nervous. Hello.
And and she like, again, miss polite like there's small talk
about the movie and I want to note this dialogue because I
think it's important that this perceives what they're about to
talk about. And Lauren asks her like, oh
well, you came to the movie. What did you think of it and kg
says? Well, it first I was kind of
confused but then I stop thinking about it And I listen
to the music, I wash, what was on the screen and it was really
beautiful, and she's putting into words like this religious
experience. You can have like, with art But
I think she's also talking about the process of realizing you're
gay. That's what this because the
whole thing they use movie as a metaphor.
And she's this dialogue is indicating with our exactly
about the start talking about and Lauren again as another
career woman Echoes this because she had the same experience,
she's like, it's a movie, you cannot comment, logically, you
just have to let the experience wash over you.
And that's exactly what realizing you're gay is.
It's like, you can think through it as much as you want.
But at some point, you just the Stop and it and just be like,
okay, okay, a feeling after you just You just feel better?
Yeah. And that's, that's what.
Yes, exactly. And again, movie is code for
being queer and they use that the whole rest of this
conversation. And I'm just, I want to add it a
discussion Point here before we get into the rest of it to like.
Okay, so is this what you guys kind of felt like when you were
like coming out or coming to terms with it?
Like sometimes like for me like it was a lot of like internal
processing and almost having this feeling of being like
trapped in your own head. Because you really have anybody
else to talk to about it because it's like big and scary and like
at the time like it was frowned upon, I mean it gets still
frowned upon in certain circles and you're just like you're just
like spiraling with your own thoughts, right?
And you're like, what the fuck like you like, is this what it
is? This is what it is.
And I don't know. Did you guys like coming out?
No it's exactly like that I'll get into more on my episode
topic because we have to kind of save these stories.
Okay. I was A weird.
Mine was just weird because it was taking place at a time where
there was a lot going on, but it was more I don't know that I had
the outright fear, I kept it in my head because I knew I
couldn't say it out loud, but I don't know in a way once I
realized that that was the truth.
It gave me a lot of peace. And so I didn't need to say it
out loud. Yet, the scary part came
afterwards when things happened. Like my roommate college
roommate, trying to save me and other things that I'll talk
about it later date. But that's when the fear came,
when it had to be public or when someone guessed that, that was
what was going on and then acted.
Okay, but secretly stabbed me in the back about it.
So that's when that came and thanked fucking goodness that
the mutual friends that we had basically told her to stop being
a dick head. It's like, and we're like, so
what? Like, I'm like best.
First of all one thing you're saying isn't true.
And secondly. So what gate that's fine.
If she's gay just like that's not a problem.
So she didn't get the response that she wanted from our mutual
friends, good for your mutual friends.
And so she saw people out on our campus that were More like
minded. Minded fundamental it.
She is like in the if I'm like you pick the dumbest.
People this to lie about me too because these are like the two
most Open-minded and kind of, I mean, like my friend, Kelly wore
crazy bowling shirts every day to school and like be shiny ass
patent leather, like shoes and like fancy 50s men's clothes and
shit. I'm like, you picked the wrong
people. Love that.
So it was. Yeah, go ahead.
No, I was like, so that's I think the fear is so relatable,
but I don't I didn't have that. Feeling of this is wrong to me
and my body. I just had the feeling of that
explains things. And I guess I'm in my brain.
I'm just like, fuck ever. Like I know what I am and I
don't feel wrong. So I'm not wrong.
I don't know where that came from, but I still had it 16:17.
I mean, at least. That's good that you thought.
Yeah. Mine was definitely internalized
and even once I realized I could not say it out loud, it took me
so long. It was a very long journey and
I'll get into it and two episodes from now.
I think it'll be okay. That's definitely is definitely
what's happening here like with KJ.
It's very much like again, the first step is like, admitting it
to yourself. And once you do that, you're
kind of in this better like emotional place because like
Brie said, you're like oh that all makes sense.
And I love the metaphor that Lauren gives her.
It's like, it's like beings. And what we saw with the movie,
it's like being swept up in a piece of art, like one, So you
just let it wash over you and you're like, wow, this makes
sense in. This is really beautiful and
like I'm happy now like that's kind of cages Journey, but then
later in a later scene, like when kg like, has to say it out
loud, like that's a struggle, that's a different kind of
struggle. So like the first struggle is
like making sense of it to yourself and then communicating
it to other people. That's a different problem and
people process that very differently.
So I love that. They show both facets of k.j. in
her, in her journey because it's not a one thing.
It's not One light bulb goes off in your like, oh that's it.
Here, I'm gay. It's a it is a process and
there's multiple steps in this process and and it's such a cute
kid thing because she like seeks out an adult.
Like she's always like, we should ask adults and so she
does go try to ask an adult like what?
Like and she yeah she has. He finally like what she gets.
The courage to ask the more in like a really reason she's
there. Like she's never said, anything
like this out loud before. It's so obvious.
And she's just trying to be so brave.
And she's just like, when did you know?
Because she's like, I see. Me doing this.
But like, how do I know that this is real?
Like, when, when, when do you know this?
Like, like when and, and Lauren doesn't really understand what
she's getting at and Katie tries again.
And that's when she's like, when did you know?
You were someone who liked and she's so fucking notice.
He still can't say it. Yeah.
So she says, movies instead of saying, when did you know, you
were someone who liked girls. She's just says movies because
like, she can't even say it. Like, that's scary.
Like, the way she said that Fina your life, He's hurt.
She brought it all through. Hurt their voice acting.
And so it has not landed and it just she was so perfect.
Yeah, it just expression and everything.
Yes, it just everything. She does conveys.
Exactly what that feels like trying to say it and you can't.
And, and so immediately, she gets nervous and starts
panicking and then Lauren's like movies, got it.
I understand what that like to Lauren's credit.
She picks up. Exactly what's going on with
little cage. He's like, okay, okay.
And what I love here is that like Lauren first, she starts to
talk and then she stops herself. So I feel like Lauren is about
to launch into a story to be like, well, when I was young,
but then she stops herself because like this conversation
is not about more in this conversation about KJ.
So instead of doing that, she goes along with the movie
metaphor, that KJ brings up, which is so sweet.
Because again, she's not clearly this kid, it feels like is
afraid and can't even voice this out loud.
So she's like gets on her level and she's like, okay, movies.
When did I know? I liked movies.
How can I frame? This in a way, that goes with
your metaphor, mmm, to This Little Child.
And her answer is so perfect, and poignant, and she's just
says, the good news. Is that everyone moves at their
own pace? And it can be overwhelming, but
every person's journey is different.
You know, a lot of people are not going to understand it first
and this is when the Lorenz voice changes and she starts
getting really passionate into it.
And she's like, but one day, like you're going to find a
movie that you really connect with, and it feels really,
really, really, really good. Just try to listen to that.
Like it just basically telling her like, follow your feelings
and like, trust what you feel. Like like like in the movie
don't think about it so much, just feel it and like Let It
wash over you. That's exactly what she's
saying. Like the choice of words, here
are so fantastic. It's so, so it's just so it's so
nice because she's already done that.
Literally, but okay, I love the choice that it's Lauren instead
of KJ telling KJ this because older PJ can just be like lesson
when you're 13, you're going to kiss some girl and like
Moonlight, but my mom's gonna get mad like, she can tell her
the whole way exactly what's going to happen.
But Lawrence just like, Trust your feelings.
That's all she tells her just trust your feelings.
And you know, people are not going to stand at first but like
it's going to feel great. And I also love that it's Lauren
because Lauren is basically talking about KJ in this scene
also. It's just the meta here is so
fucking cute because like she lights up when she's with with
KJ. It's adorable, like everything
about this is so sweet, it's okay to more natural for it to
be Lauren to. Yes, I agree.
We don't get the complication to learn.
Please. Yeah.
And well, this actress is so fucking good.
Like she was she was half the reason this worked.
Come on. No, I agree on that.
Oh my God. Yeah, the addition of Lauren,
Her speech was just every everyone who's questioning
themselves needs to hear that about anything.
Listen to this speech, like it so applicable to so many things.
It's like, I don't want to do what my parents want me to do.
Listen to the speech. Like, You're not gonna
understand like but listen to how you feel, like it's your
life kind of thing, and if you love it, you'll you connect with
it. It's going to feel really good.
Listen to that like, it's so it's Universal like what she
says. It's so whoever wrote this, give
them an award for this. Like this writing was a point.
I want to know what happens at like, if I would like to have
seen Lauren figure it out or know that she's talking to Young
KJ, but not until after she gives Her all the good advice.
Uh-huh. Are you too?
That's the one. Good thing.
She's my girlfriend. How did Lauren not bring up to
adult KJ after the party? Like oh I'm not your cousin.
That's older kg was distracting Lauren and so that didn't come
on this movie theater. She told her cousin was just
here. Exactly.
It happened here because they're in public.
But you can see that adult KJ is very distracting when she's
around, she distracts, learn very easily.
Listen KJ has game, that's all. Yeah, I could see that too.
Kate, I have when you have a series of KJ just wooing,
Lauren, just want that. Okay?
Jane College. Yes.
Oh my God is why you and she's on a gay clubs and drag bitches
the Phoenix of Billy basically about to be college-age to.
So I feel like we just need to write, write our own movie about
this. The Adventures of KJ KJ because,
you know, anyway, I just Give some, I just, this scene was
everything. I was like, I know I get tired
of all of the, the coming out stuff, but this is like the
freshest cake. Yeah, any of that.
I'm so glad you like it. I couldn't agree more.
Honestly, like, yeah, the way again, literally, that.
That's what has he struck me about the show.
Okay. It's also because KJ's from a
time period that I relate to Total and this not only that,
then you come the point where she's actually realizing she's
gate is the time period that I was realizing, I was gay.
So, we're in this like, World of she walks into her room.
And there are all these posters were movies that I know.
Like, we're like, so it's like being in that position.
Again, you live in cages timeline, that's what it is.
What it is. Yeah, I again agree, this was
such a fresh take on coming out for 12 year old because it's a
differently to different process for a twelve-year-old for an 18
year old for 30 year old. They're all different processes
and like this one was H. I want to talk about.
Yes. And this one was just handled.
So masterfully, I can't get over it.
It's so I am at this appoint where I'm over media that's
centered around the coming out stuff because I feel like that's
always what it's focused on and not that those stories aren't
important and it's not, we should stop telling those
stories. It's just like I wanted, I want
a different facet of like queer representation in media but this
blew me away because I while it is coming out, its Morse, not
just like I'm coming up and realizing it's the full a it's
the full process it. A realization.
It's the full problem. We don't always get, we don't
get the full process. It's always just the coming out
and the backlash and that's usually what the conflict is.
That's the thing is, I don't think we're tired of coming out
stories. Were tired of the same coming
out, correct? The same format for them.
This one was so refreshing. And just, I never would have
pictured it through the lens of a twelve-year-old.
But it's just because like she has no idea what any of this
even means. And then like gets look.
Imagine that imagine being twelve-year-old you like I'm
unhappy. I don't know why then you See
yourself doing this thing and you're like, well, I have two
fought like it's kind of fucked. Actually everything about it.
Like it's such a like what? And but just to see her go
through the process of grappling, all of that, getting
this advice. And then write even at this
point at the, when she leaves the movie theater, she's still
not like fully there yet. She still has she still has to
keep processing it. Like I love that.
It's just the full progression of processing to realization by
Caitlin. Okay.
Is that the stopping point for this episode?
Are we done with the scene? Yes, I can talk.
That's enough. I don't want to be done.
I don't want to leave Laura and I love her so much.
I love this. How can you keep talking?
Like, it's just gonna be the same thing over and over.
I love it. I love it so much.
This is this really this really touched me?
This whole seen the movie metaphor, like, all of it was
beautiful. I need the both of them to come
on the podcast. So he just tell them how amazing
they are. I know seriously, there weren't
even be questions. I just feel like we loved you so
much. Holy crap, you're amazing.
Please let us know what you guys think.
Yes. What did you think of the scene?
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yes at and he know we found you're going to get two episodes
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It just going in order. Next time on energy, it's
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Drinking hydrophones me, Jesus. Oh, yeah.
Don't forget. Finishing my glass for that
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I'll finish my friends, he had, I finished for our friends who
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Believes who is Yuna? Yes, ooh, ooh.
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