1 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:09,160 Hello and welcome to Big Gay Energy. 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,360 I'm Caitlin. And I'm Fiora. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,280 queer media. Representation matters, and 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,600 we're. Here to talk about it. 6 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,560 Cheers, queers. What's on the big gay agenda 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,240 today? Theora today. 8 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:29,120 We're going to talk about an amazing, incredible television 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,119 show called Elite, and specifically Season 1. 10 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,080 So if you've never heard of the show, that's OK. 11 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,160 We're going to give you a quick synopsis of what it's about, get 12 00:00:37,160 --> 00:00:39,560 into our favorite moments and why we love it, and why you 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,000 should too. Yes, and the reason that we are 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:48,200 here is all because of our friend Alethea Crimmins. 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,920 Because when we talked about young Royals, Alethea was like, 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,320 Ali you. Need to watch no other, no 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,440 options. You need to watch it like where 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,280 have you been? My God. 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,240 Seriously. Yeah. 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,840 No. Seriously, it's there's eight 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,600 seasons of this show. We are only focusing on Season 1 22 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,720 because eight seasons is a lot. So we're going to just focus. 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:15,600 And you will get lost in it. But because yes yes, and there's 24 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,560 so much that happens. So if you're watching this 25 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,760 episode and you haven't seen the full show right now, Theor and I 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,920 have only really seen season 1 in depth. 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,440 There may be spoilers depending because Alethea has seen the 28 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,000 full show. There may be spoilers, but we. 29 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,200 Like to try and keep this season 1, this claimer, I've finished 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:44,240 the entire the entire eight seasons and the like little mini 31 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,160 things that they have. So there's many. 32 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,320 Things. That, that, that, that they're 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:57,200 like, Oh my God, elite minis that that, that just focus on 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,440 certain characters and that's it. 35 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:08,400 So like, right, so when so you would like see season 1? 36 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,440 I was like there was so many seasons ago but I'm trying to 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,400 remember. That's okay, we're going to do 38 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,440 it. Remember recap. 39 00:02:17,920 --> 00:02:20,600 Okay, so first of all, what is Elite? 40 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Okay, so it's it's a show it's on Netflix as of right now at 41 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,360 the time we're filming. It's a Spanish show, so it takes 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,200 place in Spain. So if you're not afraid of 43 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,920 subtitles, jump onto this. They also have dubbed versions 44 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,440 in other languages if you're not into reading it, but there's 45 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,200 that it's 8 episodes in the first season. 46 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,440 They're an hour long each. And basically it is drama. 47 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,920 So it takes place in this high school that's this like upper 48 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,920 class high school. And it starts off with these 49 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,400 three student, yes. And it starts off with these 50 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,520 three students that come from like the lower class that get 51 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,800 scholarships to come into the school because one of the dads, 52 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:04,200 a couple of the dads of the students in the fancy school own 53 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,480 this company. And they because of shady 54 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,960 business practices where they were cutting corners to build 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,160 the poor kid high school, the school collapsed. 56 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,840 So as like a sign of charity, they're like, we'll give three 57 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,360 kids who didn't die in the school collapse a scholarship to 58 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,680 come to the fancy school. So it was like it starts off 59 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,520 with classism first of all, and then it. 60 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Follows the three students. It follows the three students, 61 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,840 which is Samuel, Nadia and Christian. 62 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,000 Oh my God, yes. Somebody thinks it with her and 63 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,080 it follows them as they kind of try to navigate this school and 64 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,840 basically there's a lot of classes and hatred that goes 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:41,760 towards them because like they're ruining. 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Their. Atmosphere with their poorness 67 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,680 and this and that. And the first student that 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,760 really accepts the three of them is Marina. 69 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,280 And Marina becomes this kind of central figure in the first 70 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,000 episode. And then by the end of the first 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,880 episode you find out that we're kind of like jumping between 72 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,720 timelines like the past and the present, because in the present 73 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,920 there's an investigation going on into Marina's death. 74 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,440 And you find that out in the first episode. 75 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,120 Then you're like, wait, what? So then the whole episode or the 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,600 whole season is like, how did Marina die? 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Who killed her? Why? 78 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,640 Is this and? Why is this? 79 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,839 Covered in somebody's blood? Like what? 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,680 Yeah, Samuel's covered in blood, and you're like, what is 81 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,400 happening? So it jumps back and forth 82 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,520 between this police investigation where they're 83 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,520 interrogating every student and some of the teachers that we 84 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,480 meet trying to figure out what's going on with Marina. 85 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,600 And by the end, well, I don't know if I want to spoil it, but 86 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,080 like, basically that's Season 1. And then like, it gets to like 87 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,640 Marina's death, who killed her, and then Season 2 basically 88 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,840 jumps into like 10 months later and the story just kind of keeps 89 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:49,800 continuing. That's the problem we're going 90 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,560 to. Talk about going and going and 91 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,440 going, and we're going to talk about season one. 92 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,480 OK, so as somebody who hadn't seen this before, some things I 93 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,160 just want to say outside of the synopsis was I thought that it 94 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,560 was a very well done television show particular and the first 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,920 episode really grabbed me. And one of the things that I 96 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,400 really like stood out to me is like, wow, great production, 97 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,200 acting, all that stuff on point. But like, the production part 98 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,520 was at one point they're in the present and they're in the 99 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,480 morgue and they're zipping up Marina's body. 100 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,400 And like it cuts from like, Samuel watching this to like 101 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,240 them zipping up the body in the pool and the sound it's playing 102 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,640 this song. And as they zip up Marie, like 103 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,360 Marina's into the body bag, the sound muffles as they're zipping 104 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,360 it almost like this happy music is like snuffed out with the end 105 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,280 of her life. Like I was just like, wow, 106 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:42,600 whoever made that choice, like phenomenal. 107 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:47,760 It is like from start to fit. It's like. 108 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:51,320 Yes. You want to stop watching, but 109 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,480 it's like, and, and it's like every time you you say, oh, OK, 110 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:59,800 I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to watch this one more, one more. 111 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,640 Something happens at the the end. 112 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:10,320 And, and you're like one more, one more, just one more episode. 113 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,240 One more episode. Yeah. 114 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,080 Seriously. And this, this is, this is also 115 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,040 there's, there's a whole lot of skeletons in these people's 116 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,920 closets. And it, like, is like, really 117 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:31,720 shows people are not always who they seem, Rick, regardless of 118 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,440 what your status is. Everybody, Yeah. 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Yes. No matter what class your. 120 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Body has. Everybody's life. 121 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,200 Everybody has something and they just don't want you to know 122 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,120 about it. Oh. 123 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Yes. And that's what. 124 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:49,840 And that's what I like. Right, so. 125 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,480 Yeah, it just keeps you guessing constantly. 126 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,200 I won't say that. And it's like when you think you 127 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,560 know the character. You know. 128 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,680 No, I was like, why do you like Guzman right now? 129 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,400 What is going on? I hated him in the beginning and 130 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,040 then at one point he does and. Then I'm like you, you like, 131 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:11,960 because it was like, how can Marina have a brother like that? 132 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:17,880 Like she like she's so great and she's so wonderful. 133 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,680 And then it's this douche bag of a person. 134 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,120 And then you see it's like, maybe he's not that bad. 135 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,920 Like maybe, maybe he's not. It's like, it's like 136 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,960 compensating. Especially when you started 137 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,280 messing with my girl, not Nadia. I was like you son of a bitch. 138 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Oh. My God, let's talk about Nadia, 139 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:42,600 all right? Yeah. 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,440 You know what? Nadia is my favorite. 141 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,080 I'm sorry. I just that she's. 142 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,080 Just my favorite. I'm saying it right now. 143 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,840 I. Felt like she is. 144 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:58,040 I will literally do I will compromise what I believe. 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,320 I will do any and everything because I know what I want. 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,480 I want to succeed. And if this means that I have to 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,160 compromise who I am, I'm going to. 148 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,160 Because when they told her you will be expelled if you come 149 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:24,000 back to school with your job only because when she was in 150 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,160 French class, maybe she let the people have it. 151 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:32,000 She she, she was like Voulez Voukoussei Avocadoi like she 152 00:08:34,159 --> 00:08:36,720 like. She was just. 153 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,200 Like, and they were like, they're like teacher was like, 154 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,440 oh boy, you're really great. Like you can really go places. 155 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:52,280 And they were like this bitch and they all felt Brett, but she 156 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,560 but she. Literally. 157 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:58,320 The bitch was who complained about that bitch? 158 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:02,720 Yeah, Lou, we. We we we all know, but she but 159 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,200 she did have this like Nadia had this. 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,960 It's it's, it's oxymoron, but she had this like humble 161 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,080 arrogance about her like. Yes, yeah, yeah. 162 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:26,200 I know that I'm the shit. I'm not gonna brought broadcast 163 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,440 it, but I know that I'm better than you bitches. 164 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:36,640 But like, like, like I like I know I'm smarter than you 165 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,360 bitches. Like I know I'm better than 166 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,200 y'all. And they would try to bait her 167 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,320 constantly. And she would be like, yeah, I 168 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,000 know. And that would infuriate a lot 169 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,440 of the these characters who are, like, their typical rich kids on 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,120 some level, where they are used to getting what they want. 171 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,280 And, like, Lou is out here blackmailing teachers to get 172 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,800 what she wants and all this stuff. 173 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,960 And Nadia's like, you know, she used her wits and her cool, calm 174 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,640 demeanor to like best them. And I love that about her. 175 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,120 But how, how was it legal for them to be like, you can't wear 176 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,880 your hijab, which is a it's part of her religion. 177 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,720 Is that not religious discrimination? 178 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,600 Like that was awful. I felt so bad for her. 179 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,000 I'm like how is this legal? I hold on real quick because I 180 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,080 just want to like her confidence and like knowing that she's 181 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,280 better than them is because she says something in the very first 182 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,680 episode. You don't have a name like mine 183 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:35,200 without knowing what you can't do. 184 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,600 Yes. She has to be on top of her game 185 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,280 that every single second because. 186 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,120 That got me. And when, when she said that, 187 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:54,080 especially being like International Women's Month, 188 00:10:54,480 --> 00:11:00,280 like it was like, yeah, like us, us as women, especially me as a 189 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:07,360 black woman, like I understood like, I can't be regular. 190 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:13,160 I can't just like, you know, like screwed on by like 191 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,720 everybody else. I have to hold myself to a 192 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:23,560 higher standard because people have a certain expectation of 193 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:28,880 us, of women in general. They have an expectation that 194 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,720 we're not supposed to be supposed to be seen and not 195 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,000 heard type of shit. And she, she was like, Nah, like 196 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,520 because of my name, like I got to be on top. 197 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,880 I have to or people are going to treat, treat me exactly how they 198 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,320 were treating her. And that's not OK. 199 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,240 And if she just wavers in her confidence, someone's going to. 200 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,680 Because. Because it's like, yeah, even 201 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:05,280 though I know who I am, I can't be like Lou. 202 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:13,280 Like I can't just be like that asking in how great I am because 203 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,760 I don't look like her. I don't have what she has. 204 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,040 So y'all are going to come for me. 205 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,920 And she could in all, like, in every right act exactly like 206 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,520 Lou. Because she because she can. 207 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,480 Because, because Nadia is that bitch. 208 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,960 But she can't. She can't because they're going 209 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,920 to come because every time that she tries she can literally be 210 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,880 just standing there like that there. 211 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,960 There were times when she was just in the room and they had an 212 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,120 issue with her being in the room. 213 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,240 I was like well y'all got that threatened by by this girl. 214 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,240 Because they know that she is better than them. 215 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,920 Yeah, exactly. That's what it is. 216 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,080 It was. Yeah. 217 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,760 I but can we get into her, her because I, I didn't know like 218 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,280 yes, because I, because once I started watching, I was like, 219 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,400 wait, Omar is not Nadia's brother. 220 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:24,520 And I was like, oh, OK, but Omar is has a few skeletons in his 221 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,280 closet that that he's he was kind of fighting against like he 222 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:36,720 was like, and again, because of his background and how he was 223 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:42,600 raised, that's not tolerate. Like that's not that's like 224 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:48,520 that's found upon like you, you can't be gay. 225 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,400 Like what? Yeah, his plot line was very 226 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:58,000 much survival. So in his plot line, he we first 227 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,280 meet him and he's like the local drug dealer for like the 228 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,320 teenager. Basically. 229 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,520 And you're like, OK, no. And then you're just like, OK. 230 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,880 And then you meet him and then you realize, oh, he's he's gay. 231 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,480 And then he starts up this relationship kind of thing. 232 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:15,560 Ander, who I love their plot lines together. 233 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:19,880 And then we find out the root of all this is because he's so 234 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:25,120 afraid of his father finding out he's gay that he's dealing so 235 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,480 that he can get up money. And get out. 236 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,280 Of this situation and live on his own and it's just 237 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,760 heartbreaking that like that's what he's doing. 238 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,440 So he's to your point, going against what he wants and who he 239 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 is because he's trying to survive. 240 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,720 And there's this one scene that breaks my heart where the dad, I 241 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,680 forget how, but the dad confronts him and he's like, are 242 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,360 you gay? Who said this about you? 243 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,240 And blah, blah, blah. And like, Omar's like a backup 244 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,800 against the wall, up against the wall with his dad yelling at 245 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,560 him. And he says, no, I don't know. 246 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,800 I don't know who said that, blah, blah, blah. 247 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,280 And the dad leaves and he's with Nadia and he's just like 248 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,040 breaking down. He's like, I'm a coward. 249 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,440 I'm a coward that I couldn't tell the truth. 250 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,440 And now he's like, you're not. You did what you had to do to 251 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:07,440 survive. And it's like, that's literally 252 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,920 his plotline. And it's so. 253 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Awkward and and this is his plot throughout all he and you just 254 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,200 want to just reach in and and just help him. 255 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:28,000 He just wants to survive and it's like he cannot, he cannot 256 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:34,840 catch a break And it's like fuck Omar, not again. 257 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,480 It's like he cannot catch a break. 258 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:44,920 For Omar but we see like the culmination of this when his 259 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,360 boyfriend Anders mom is the. Principal. 260 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,120 Of Nadia's school tries to talk to her dad and makes things 261 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,440 completely worse and then outs Omar. 262 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 I don't know what why she assumed that he knew. 263 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,640 I guess maybe. Well, no, because she didn't 264 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,520 even know her own son was gay. Didn't for, did not. 265 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,560 Until like very recently, like the. 266 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,080 Episode before because they. They. 267 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:14,520 They literally all had to hide who The Who they really like and 268 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,040 had to hide who he was because of his friend group. 269 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,080 How many of us have dealt with that? 270 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:30,680 Like I can't tell y'all who I really AM because then y'all are 271 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,160 going to treat me like y'all treat everybody else. 272 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Hence why Polo and his little creepy self. 273 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,040 We'll get into him. But yeah, his creepy self. 274 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,720 That's a great way to put it. Oh my God. 275 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:47,920 Jesus Christ. What? 276 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,320 OK, wait, but Ander. I love Ander, though, because 277 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Ander's, like, got a similar plot line going on to Omar, but 278 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,680 it's different. So in his plot line, he's hiding 279 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,360 the fact that he's gay. But which when it comes out, his 280 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:04,359 parents are just like, we know and why we're just like, why did 281 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,760 you hide this from us? But then Andrew's like, OK, 282 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,720 whatever. But the thing he's really hiding 283 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,839 from them is the fact that he hates tennis. 284 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,160 But and they invested all this money into him being a sports 285 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,800 star because what makes him different is the only reason 286 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,440 he's at this big elite. Because his. 287 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,200 Mom's the principal. He's not wealthy. 288 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,359 So like his ticket out of poverty is tennis. 289 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,920 So his family sunk all this money into him playing tennis 290 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,800 and he's like, I hate tennis. So like that's really that's the 291 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:31,920 equivalent of Omar's dad finding out he's gay. 292 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,200 Is his dad is Anders dad finding out he hates tennis, the thing 293 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,480 they sunk all this money into. So like, so when he comes out, 294 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,760 he's gay to his parents, his parents like we don't care. 295 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,400 And his dad's like, hey, you could be a famous gay tennis 296 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,280 player. That'd be awesome. 297 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,000 Sponsors would be lined up for that shit. 298 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,200 And he's like, for fuck's sake of tennis, like. 299 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:54,720 And, and it's it's, it's like Andrew kind of lucked up to be 300 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:02,080 in in the in crowd and this and this crowd is like, once you're 301 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:07,160 in it, like you want to stay in it because because they have. 302 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,040 Yeah. As we see see with Lou, they 303 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,480 have powerful influence. So it's like you don't want to 304 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:20,440 upset these people because they can literally destroy you. 305 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:25,760 Like look how just one. I don't want her wearing her, 306 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:32,960 her like his job anymore. Made the principal, made her 307 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,320 call this girl into the office and say that she couldn't wait 308 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:41,800 just by one statement that like you do not want to upset these 309 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:46,040 people. Yeah, they can make her break 310 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,680 you is the thing. But also she calls in the 311 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,360 principal calls in accessories and Nadia points out like 312 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:58,720 everyone has accessories then. And I just love how she does 313 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:03,200 stand up for herself her in. Those moments, friends. 314 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,960 By meeting people where they are with their argument, she's like, 315 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,600 I know that this isn't actually the truth, but I need them to 316 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,000 realize what they are saying, right? 317 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:20,440 Now and like I, I felt bad for Samuel because he is another one 318 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:27,560 like he he he likes start started off look, I'm a waiter. 319 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,920 I know that I that that I that I don't belong here. 320 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,320 I know that y'all don't want me here. 321 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,920 Like I'm not even trying to be in in the forefront. 322 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,960 I just want to be in in this in the background. 323 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Like y'all just leave me alone like I'm not even. 324 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:53,040 But then his like brother, the like troublemaker, like drags 325 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,440 him in to this situation. And he was like, bro, I was just 326 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,080 trying to blend in, like, why are you messing this up for me? 327 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,640 And that's how he gets mixed up and everything else. 328 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:09,800 And it's like Marina really likes him. 329 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,360 And when he took took took a picture with her dad, she was 330 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:17,800 like, well, you just like everybody else. 331 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,160 Like what? Like I, I, I thought you were 332 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,880 different. Like, and he is. 333 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:32,200 He is like, he's not like them and it's like I, I, I, I don't 334 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,520 want to be like my brother. I don't want to be like y'all. 335 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,840 But what do I fit in? Like I just want to be me at 336 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,240 this point but I keep getting pulled. 337 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,480 In know who that is because he's in survival mode. 338 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:54,400 I mean, when Nano goes to jail, he he says that his job is 339 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,160 what's been paying their bills as a teenager in high school. 340 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:07,080 As a waiter, my my waiting, my waiting job, me being a waiter 341 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:12,040 is paying the bills like these are like these are. 342 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:12,700 Teenagers. Mm. 343 00:21:12,700 --> 00:21:18,960 Hmm. Yeah, so he he kind of starts 344 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,640 off as this like people pleaser a little bit because I feel like 345 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,440 the family falls onto him. And so when Nano starts getting 346 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,200 in trouble again, Samuel's first reaction is like, God damn it. 347 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,040 And then he's like, well, I got to get you out of this. 348 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,040 And then his brother's like, no, I don't want you in this. 349 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,720 And like Nano's plotline I found was really, really interesting 350 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,200 because like, it's really easy to judge him immediately and be 351 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,560 like, wow, he's just like, but then it's like, yeah, no, I did 352 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:44,520 too. Totally. 353 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,400 That's the that's the first impression of him. 354 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,560 And you're like, Oh my God, he's the troublemaker brother. 355 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,480 But then when you really look at the plot line, it's classism. 356 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,680 Like he's in jail because he's poor. 357 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,880 That's literally what it is. Because then we go through this 358 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,560 whole plot line with the crux of it is like, Carla and Guzman's 359 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,840 dads were actual criminals that almost killed a bunch of kids. 360 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,120 And meanwhile, they're not because money and it gets to a 361 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,240 because money. And then Guzman's like, well, 362 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960 you know, we're getting my dad out of jail because we can make 363 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,640 bail and that's legal. And it's like, yeah, that's 364 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,080 legal. But like Nano's in jail because 365 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,640 he cannot pay bail because he's poor. 366 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,560 So it's like the criminalization of poverty is how Nano. 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,400 Gets in jail, but then he goes to jail and I oh wait did did we 368 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:34,120 get to that part yet OK at. The very end, Yeah, he has a 369 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:38,040 back in jail, but it's literally the criminalization of poverty. 370 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,080 And that's like how it starts, how it ends with Nano. 371 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240 And so like, he's he's fucked no matter what. 372 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,520 And he's like the reason I and then you realize he's got into 373 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,400 some shady shit while in jail because he was trying to stay 374 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,720 alive. And now he's being blackmailed 375 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:53,600 by like the mob or whatever, or some shady group of people and 376 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,120 it just spirals out of control. And so it was like the perfect 377 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,040 setup for like Marina to step in. 378 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,560 So Marina's like basically this character who is born super 379 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,320 rich, had an unfortunate thing happened to her where she 380 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,960 contracts HIV by sleeping with somebody who I guess was poor 381 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,160 because they give her criminal. It's just the criminal nature of 382 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,720 being poor. And then they're just like, wow, 383 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,360 poor people. And it's like, what though? 384 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:24,960 Because apparently only poor people have HIV, which, which, 385 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:30,120 which is, which is basically what her, her brother was like. 386 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:33,320 Well, I don't want you messing, messing with Samuel because 387 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,520 Samuel is not in the same class. And you know, and I, I, I don't 388 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,880 want you to get hurt again. So just 'cause he's in. 389 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,400 So only poor people have HIV. Like what? 390 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,200 So much classism in the show, the higher. 391 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,360 Class does more damage to Samuel than Samuel does to anybody 392 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,360 else. That's the irony. 393 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,320 That's the true. Craziness like why Why would you 394 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,720 assume that he would hurt her just because he he has less than 395 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:12,480 you all? I was like, y'all are and then 396 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:18,200 we have and they this I could never go to that high high 397 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,080 school because they would hate me because I would always speak 398 00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:23,040 my mind and I'd be like, you know what? 399 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:28,360 Lou Fitch. Yeah, seriously, she needs you 400 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,600 get thrown out in the first step. 401 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,800 I really what because, but Nadia knows where all of the bones are 402 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,280 buried and that's why they keep because she she was like, look, 403 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:48,600 if if you tell on this, I'm a go tell what I know, because I, I 404 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,760 didn't I didn't see see y'all do some shit. 405 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,000 So if if you say say something, I'm gonna say something. 406 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:04,880 But that goes to show how much power Nadia really, really has 407 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:11,880 and how Bretton knew really is by her, because you could have 408 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,440 easily, it's her word against yours and look like you have a 409 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:23,360 lot of power. But you were so threatened by 410 00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:27,680 her and you thought maybe there was a chance that they really 411 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:34,440 would side with her that you didn't want to take that chance. 412 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,560 So what knowing how much power you have, why wouldn't you want 413 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,840 to take that chance against Nadia? 414 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,800 And then so much so that now you're getting whose mind to try 415 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:57,680 to date her or woo woo her that Oh my God, that. 416 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,400 But I feel like he Loki really started to like her. 417 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,640 Oh, he did, yeah, for sure. Because he's like someone who 418 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,000 sees me for who I am and not just my money. 419 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,480 That's when you start. Yes. 420 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,600 In a little bit and you're like, oh, maybe we do like him. 421 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,760 And then he becomes Guzman again, and right. 422 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,840 It's like literally like little glimpses. 423 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:27,040 Of who he actually is. And then it's like, Nah, I just 424 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,120 gotta go, 'cause, 'cause I can't show. 425 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,600 If you got him out of his surroundings. 426 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,160 It is very. Much totally. 427 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:40,120 Different and agreed environment throughout every single season, 428 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,080 every single character that comes in you you see that that's 429 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,960 not really who they are, but it's because of the environment 430 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,400 that they're in and they have to they have to I don't it's it's 431 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:01,200 image image. Yeah, it is. 432 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,280 Like I, I have to be a certain way because my, my family has 433 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,200 money. I, I have to be this way. 434 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:18,080 The only one that I think is really who they put themselves 435 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,440 out to be is Lou. Like Lou Lou, Lou Lou is. 436 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Yeah, yeah, there's nothing fake about her. 437 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,440 She is who she is and I respect her about her. 438 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:32,760 I don't like her but. Right, but I respect her. 439 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280 She says everybody else is fake on on every level, including 440 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,800 Marina, who is like set up to be like the like you said, like 441 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,360 product of her environment. But I have to rebel against 442 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,440 everything in my environment, period. 443 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,880 And like, at first I was like, you think that's great? 444 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,880 But then like she gets really annoying about it towards the 445 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,960 end. I'm like, girl, what are you 446 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,240 doing like this? Is crazy, but before we get into 447 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,440 Marina some more because there is some things that we have to 448 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,800 talk about her. Absolutely we have to interrupt 449 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,280 this video briefly to bring you some shout outs from our chaos 450 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:07,160 crew over on Patreon. 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And our featured big gay 461 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,960 supporting members for this episode are Soraya, Ari and Blue 462 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960 Pea, which I think is supposed to be blue potato. 463 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,200 And I have to make sure that I say that full name because I 464 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,960 love your name, love evil potato. 465 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,120 So thank you all. All right, back to Marina. 466 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:07,000 Back to Marina the overarching. Can we jump in and just talk 467 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,880 about one of my favorite characters from when I first saw 468 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,800 his him streaking down the the hall? 469 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,320 Christian. Christian, Yeah. 470 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,960 Now I want to talk about Marina and I also want to talk about 471 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,640 the whole polyamorous relationship that you got going 472 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,600 on with Carla and Polo. Because that was. 473 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,280 Interesting, yes. And very much needed on 474 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 television just in general. In general, yeah, it was very 475 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280 complex and interesting because. That shit really does happen. 476 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,640 So yeah, let's talk a lot for. Sure. 477 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,560 OK, where do we want to start? Yes. 478 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,600 OK. Juicy, juicy, juicy. 479 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,680 First of all, Christian. OK, so the thing about Christian 480 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,360 that's interesting is like you think he's on Lou's level at the 481 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,880 beginning of being like you get what you get with me. 482 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,520 And then as you get towards the end you're like or not with 483 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Christian. He's got a bit of like self 484 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,440 preservation and like maybe I will backstab my friends to get 485 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,000 what I want. Maybe I will sell myself out to 486 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,120 get on this magazine cover as a model. 487 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,160 Like so he does have that like slipperiness about him a little 488 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,440 bit that like I wasn't expecting when you first meet him because 489 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,600 he's just all confidence and he's like, Yep, I don't do 490 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,640 anything about school, but whatever. 491 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,560 But but. Confidence. 492 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:37,040 He also really wants to be a part of the in crowd and he 493 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:43,560 likes attention. So it didn't shock me that he he 494 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:49,120 was like, well, maybe I I might just sell up my because from the 495 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,080 beginning, he wanted to be a part of the in crowd. 496 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,960 He wanted, yeah, he, yeah, he, he, he. 497 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,400 He wanted them to see and to accept him. 498 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,760 That's very true. That's a good point. 499 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,080 So, yeah, so. And then he's like Carla, she's 500 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,880 hot. But the girl looks Apollo. 501 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,080 Apollo is a crazy bitch. OK, well, he's a crazy. 502 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:20,400 Bitch, because he's crazy. I was. 503 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:26,440 I was like, OK, so this is your girlfriend. 504 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,320 Then you're going to tell your girlfriend to go and sleep with 505 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Christian, and then you're going to watch like a creeper. 506 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,320 And it's like, OK, voyeurism is a thing, but like, you gotta 507 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,880 like tell people and not just be like a creepy Spector in the 508 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,760 background. But the point isn't as a thing. 509 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,000 And it's like, no, but she but she is. 510 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,080 OK with it like she she she she's like this. 511 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:52,960 Did you like that? Like did I do? 512 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,320 I'm and I'm like wait a minute like like this is a thing like 513 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,240 this is what y'all do and then he's and then he's like I love 514 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,320 you so much. What? 515 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,760 But tell Christian what's happening. 516 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,200 Like what the hell? I just the creepy part of it. 517 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:19,120 Wait, but it's he? He also isn't open about who he 518 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,960 is either. Correct. 519 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,520 Because of his friends, his friends, every time, like when I 520 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,160 felt really bad, the part where I felt bad for Paul, he's a 521 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,360 creepy bitch, but I felt bad for him at some parts where like 522 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800 him, Carla and Christian kind of like finally sat down and had a 523 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240 conversation about like, are we doing this? 524 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160 And it was very healthy from that, in that moment where 525 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,640 they're like, yes, let's do this. 526 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240 They set their boundaries, they do their thing and everybody's 527 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040 happy and like they're all getting along and they have this 528 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,880 seemingly healthy, like polyamorous relationship going 529 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,520 on. That's really great. 530 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,920 And then Guzman shows up and Guzman's like, Paula, how could 531 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,040 you? And this is clear. 532 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,400 He's poor and like gets in his head. 533 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,320 And then Polo gets so influenced by Guzman that he starts 534 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,200 sabotaging everything and like going against like, what makes 535 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,680 him happy and what he wants. And it's like then he just, he 536 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,040 just starts floundering because he's very weak at the end of the 537 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,200 day. And he's just influenced like he 538 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,920 got into the polyamorous thing because Carla's like, let's try 539 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,040 it. Like she influenced him. 540 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,600 But then he's like, OK, I kind of like, because maybe I'm into 541 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,280 guys too and like, that's OK. For. 542 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,680 That then Guzman's like, how could you? 543 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,160 And Paul was like, oh fuck yeah, I guess I'm supposed to do this. 544 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,600 And it's like, he was just so wishy washy because he just went 545 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,360 wherever the wind blew him depending on who was talking to 546 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,440 him. And he never was like owned who 547 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,360 he was, which was the tragic part of that. 548 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,520 Like a a lot, a lot of these things is and a lot of 549 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600 teenagers, even adults go through that. 550 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,600 Like I, I need to be a part of the in crowd. 551 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,520 I need to fit in and this is my way. 552 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:01,800 Even if I have to hide me, I need to fit in. 553 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:08,159 And even adults that want to, to be in certain circles, like 554 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,679 there was one time in my my life where I didn't tell anybody that 555 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:18,520 I was married to, to my wife. Not that that I was hiding it, 556 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,840 but it was like, if you know, you know, but I'm not going to 557 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:24,800 say it. Yeah. 558 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,679 Because I want to be a part of this circle. 559 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:33,360 So it's kind of yeah, it just. Yeah. 560 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:40,320 I mean, you never know that. Yeah, which made Polar really 561 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,120 interesting because he has two moms and everybody knows that. 562 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040 And then he's kind of like hiding this like queerness about 563 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,159 himself or he's like kind of ashamed of it or doesn't 564 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:50,480 understand it, which is really interesting. 565 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,000 But then it set Polo up to be this like super desperate 566 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 character. So then when I got to the end 567 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,240 and I was like, oh, Polo's the one that did it. 568 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,920 It made total sense because he was so desperate for Carla 569 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,600 because that was his only constant that he had in his 570 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,160 life. And he felt like when he lost 571 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,680 her, he lost control of his life. 572 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,480 So he's like clung to her tooth and nail and like did an 573 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,280 unspeakable thing off a Marina because he was so desperate for 574 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,320 to hang on to Carla. And it was just like, I hate 575 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,920 this but it makes sense. We go back to environment like 576 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,200 would would all this would have happened? 577 00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:38,800 Would would this have happened if the environment was 578 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520 different? What what would this have 579 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,840 happened if money wasn't the route? 580 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,240 It's like class wasn't the route. 581 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:53,400 What, what this had happened if this one, this one major family, 582 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,160 because it's it seemed like it was that one family that pulled 583 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:05,440 so many strings and everybody just kind of like if they, they 584 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,920 were almost like the mob like if like you're, you're, you're not 585 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:17,080 in with us then if we're done. If that watch didn't exist, no 586 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,960 one would have died. If that family had followed the 587 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,280 law, that too, none of us would be here. 588 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,800 And that's the family is that they're like, oh, Nano's 589 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,800 terrible, But meanwhile they're it's white collar criminals 590 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,520 against blue collar criminals. And like the kids get sucked 591 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,880 into this like, well, I have to protect my family. 592 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,680 I have to program your family's out of your brain. 593 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,880 And they also get. Land for people that like. 594 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:47,960 Crazy that the like kids have to do adult shit to try to cover up 595 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:55,960 for the family and like who who who's mom was was was like I'm 596 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,240 I'm I'm sick of this shit. Like at at the end he was just 597 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:03,240 like, I can't take this anymore. Like that. 598 00:37:03,240 --> 00:37:04,640 Like fuck what? What? 599 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:06,800 Like what what what what do you want me to? 600 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Do. Like you're you're going to 601 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,240 jail. Like you're going to jail. 602 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,320 It made me sick that the parents were like how could you let this 603 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,320 happen when like you're the reason that it happened in the 604 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,120 1st place Like you're the one who did it. 605 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,640 We have no money. It's y'all like we we we don't 606 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:33,240 have money Like you ruined a school like you killed like you 607 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,480 What? We we you ruined so many lives 608 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080 and then did not. And the whole, the whole crux is 609 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,440 like, they're like, we're not taking. 610 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,720 And this is literally the political climate we're in right 611 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,600 now in America where the white collar criminals are like 612 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,240 refused to take accountability for what they did and try to 613 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,720 evade that accountability at all costs, no matter who that hurts. 614 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,120 And then again, when the kids are like, I think this is wrong. 615 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,480 They're like, how could you betray the family? 616 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,800 This is your fault. It's like, bitch, you're the one 617 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,320 that signed off on the let's do shady to business practices. 618 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,200 And then you're the whole thing is you're trying to hide the 619 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,640 fact that you broke the law and like try to blame everybody 620 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:09,720 else. And it's like, we're here 621 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:12,560 because of you and your refusal to take accountability for all 622 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,000 this, and now more people are dead. 623 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,560 And I just couldn't understand why I could because because like 624 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,640 lose family seems like they run the whole school. 625 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:32,280 But how they allowed a teenager to blackmail them to dictate 626 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,960 their lives Like you like you are in like you. 627 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:45,440 So it's there's a teenage girl and y'all let this girl like run 628 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,200 yours? I was like watching this, I was 629 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,800 watching this and I'm like, I could never be a teacher in one 630 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,080 of these schools because it must suck so badly. 631 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,920 Because when you're the teacher, you're supposed to be in charge 632 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,600 of that room of kids to teach them and guide them. 633 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,120 But like there's such a huge power imbalance between the 634 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,200 teacher and the children because the children by proxy of their 635 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:07,800 parents have more money than God. 636 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,760 So they no money and they flex that to the teacher and like, 637 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:13,240 what is the teacher going to do at the end? 638 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,560 It like it must. Be. 639 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,240 Awful to have. This is almost giving like. 640 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,480 This is almost like the, the, the like Spanish version of 641 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:33,200 Gossip Girl because, because, because because it's like where 642 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,200 they, how they all have to like money, how they, but they all 643 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:46,160 have secrets they like all have especially the like newer Gossip 644 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,840 Girl, not the original, but the newer 1 where they had so much 645 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:59,320 influence on like on the, on the staff and the principal based on 646 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,400 how much money they had and how much money their parents were 647 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,600 giving to this school. And this, this was basically the 648 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:14,000 same thing. But when you have the amount of 649 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,560 money. To cover up murders like when, 650 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,760 when, when does it become not OK? 651 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:28,560 Like when, when is it like, when, when do I say this is 652 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,240 enough? Like where do I draw this line 653 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,120 and say OK well this this this is not right. 654 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:42,720 Yeah, and I mean, what encapsulates that more is the 655 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:46,280 finale, when, like, Marine is dead and what ends up happening, 656 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,880 Nano's the one that goes to jail, the poor kid. 657 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040 And they're like, well, he's been to jail before. 658 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,880 It was probably him. They had no evidence that he did 659 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160 it, and they arrested him and threw him in jail for it. 660 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,640 Meanwhile, like all the white collar criminals got away. 661 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,360 Yeah, I was, I couldn't believe that happened. 662 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,080 And I'm sure it happens, but like we literally find out who 663 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,160 did it and what happened and now it's the kids. 664 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,760 Like it is their fault. They know exactly. 665 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,160 Now they're just falling into the same thing as their parents. 666 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,680 And my one of the only thing I literally wrote down, 'cause I'm 667 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:28,400 like, I need to make sure I say this was why did no one think to 668 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,840 call for help? Yeah, people saw Marina and. 669 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,240 Nobody said any like no, that I could not. 670 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,560 I could not fathom like y'all, like nobody's going to. 671 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:48,920 But you noticed Samuel change like you you. 672 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,520 Yes. You noticed from the from the 673 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:59,240 beginning of the very first show, he kind of started to 674 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:05,400 shift and you kind of suck. And it's like, no, Samuel, do 675 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,920 not get sucked in. Do not get sucked in. 676 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:15,480 Nadia stayed consistent to who she was this whole entire time. 677 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,280 But you saw Samuel shift. You saw him kind of getting 678 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:25,880 sucked in. And as these seasons go like, 679 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,600 you're not even going to recognize who this person is. 680 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,680 Yeah, they did the awesome thing where to me, it's like his 681 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,440 innocence was shattered. And the moment they really 682 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,560 solidified that was when he punches the mirror. 683 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,080 Because anytime you have mirrors, it's like a reflection 684 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,200 of the inner self. And when he shatters it and he's 685 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,000 looking at himself, he fractures and he's never going to be the 686 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,600 same again. And that's you just see that 687 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,840 darkness in him at the end where he's just like over it. 688 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,160 And he's a totally different person. 689 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,920 And there's no coming back for that character because he he's 690 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,920 changed forever. He. 691 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,000 Turns into somebody that he doesn't know. 692 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:10,840 And oftentimes we do that based on the people that we're around. 693 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:18,000 And and just like Polo, the influence that people have will 694 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,480 turn us into somebody that we really don't want to be. 695 00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:26,840 But it's like we almost feel like, especially the teenage 696 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,840 years, you feel like you don't have a choice that you have to 697 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:41,040 be that in order to survive. Like I high school now is 698 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:47,400 survival of of the fittest. It's like I it's like I I have 699 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:58,680 to find a space that I need to be in or I'm just fresh meat and 700 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,920 I don't want to be that. So I have to be in a crowd. 701 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,840 Me. I'd rather be like not Nadia 702 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,160 because she was like I'm I'm not focused on being in none of 703 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:12,800 y'all crowds. Like I don't give a damn because 704 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,000 I have. Even at home. 705 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:24,040 Yeah, even at home. She refused to compromise her 706 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,680 own opinions and beliefs, which is amazing considering how we 707 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,000 see this differences between her brother and her classmates. 708 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:42,120 'Cause it's like Omar, really. It's not like he doesn't take 709 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:50,040 his backgrounds seriously, but not as much as Nadia does, not 710 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,000 not as not as much as she does. And I think that has a lot to do 711 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:00,080 with the fact that he knows that him being gay is going to 712 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,000 ostracize him from everything and everybody that that that 713 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,880 he's ever known except for Nadia. 714 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,640 Yeah, that's really true. And then when we get into like 715 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,200 their family background a little bit too, where like they had a 716 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,040 sister who basically like super rebelled to the fact that she 717 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,920 like left the family and then like had a whole bunch of stuff 718 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,400 happened to her. I feel like there was more 719 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,320 pressure or scrutiny put on Nadia as the other daughter to 720 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,200 not become the bad daughter. So I feel like she at home was 721 00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,960 perhaps put under more pressure than Omar was because they're 722 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,720 like, we lost one daughter to Western culture. 723 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:41,080 We're not losing her other daughter. 724 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,280 And it's like, I think she was kind of more trapped than Omar 725 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,720 in a little, in kind of a way. And she did what she could to be 726 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:50,640 the good daughter to, like, you know, make the parents proud. 727 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,120 And I think Omar was doing that in his own way, but he felt, I 728 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,560 think, unsafe in that environment because he's like, 729 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,240 if they find out who I really am, they're going to turn on me 730 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:00,320 and try to kill me or whatever. But do we feel that that is the 731 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,400 norm in most? Because I felt like that was the 732 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,760 norm in my household being raised with two, two brothers. 733 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:15,800 Like the like girl is the one that you have to be the good 734 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,960 daughter. You have to be the right yes. 735 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,400 And the like guys are kind of y'all. 736 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,160 Y'all can kind of do whatever you want but my daughter. 737 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,080 Yeah, I got that vibe from her plot line for sure. 738 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,200 It's also interesting to see like that sibling dynamic versus 739 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,920 Nano and Samuel. Thank you. 740 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,600 That's true, Omar and Nadia did have a good sibling relationship 741 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,320 where they were there for each other. 742 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,880 Like he would get really upset and calm to her and she would 743 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,400 stick up for him and make excuses for him. 744 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,480 Like she saw that he was happy with Ander and like did what she 745 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,880 could to protect her brother. So I feel like they trauma 746 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:02,680 bonded under their like oppressive kind of household. 747 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,280 Like the the basically the culture was kind of like 748 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,800 stifling them a little bit. And they were they survived 749 00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,560 together by bonding together those two in season 1. 750 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840 But I. Also mean that like the two of 751 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,840 them were always themselves like throughout. 752 00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,720 That's true throughout this first season, whereas I feel 753 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,040 like Nano and Samuel kind of flipped. 754 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:27,080 They definitely Samuel became like didn't know who he was, 755 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,680 like was lost and Nano was fighting for his family like he 756 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,120 was fighting for Marina and their child. 757 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,280 Like he wanted that. He wanted to escape and just be 758 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,200 that family. And it was almost like how 759 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:45,080 Samuel was fighting for their family when Nano went to jail by 760 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,440 like trying to support them. So like that's like Nano was 761 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,880 lying to Samuel. So like, there's that. 762 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,720 And I I. I didn't say he was included, 763 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:57,840 but. Marina God. 764 00:47:59,000 --> 00:47:59,800 She's. Frustrating. 765 00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:08,760 It's it's like she's not as the the like goody 2 shoes that she 766 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,240 puts herself out to be like you, like you're really not that 767 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:17,240 girl. Like you're really like, you're 768 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,280 really not that girl like you. You're not that girl, you. 769 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:26,280 Want everybody to think that oh, you know, I'm I'm I'm I'm not 770 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:33,600 like them but really you are but but but but really are and. 771 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,560 She is. And you are in a like real 772 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,960 snakish type way, like you are the wolf in like sheep's 773 00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,880 clothing. So. 774 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,640 So yeah, like. Like. 775 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:53,360 Yeah, girl, like you, you are. And I will say it once and say 776 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,920 it again. The only one other than not 777 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:05,560 Nadia who stayed consistent about who he was is even even 778 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:11,840 even when he started going to the school like he was still 779 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,120 him. Yeah, I agree. 780 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,400 Yeah. So Marina is interesting to me 781 00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,920 because, like, they set her up to be the rebel, OK, where she's 782 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,880 like, I'm not like these other rich kids. 783 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,040 I'm different. I sleep with poor people and all 784 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,320 this stuff. But she ain't. 785 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,440 She's just like them. She's back. 786 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,920 She backstabs everybody. And it's like girl, like you are 787 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,040 literally a product of your environment, no matter how much 788 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,240 you put on this front that you're. 789 00:49:35,240 --> 00:49:44,320 Different almost try to be like the the Robin Hood of the well, 790 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,680 I'm like I I'm friends with, with with with with the needy 791 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,520 people. Like look at me like I'm girl 792 00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:01,880 like but but but don't use that as your storyline. 793 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,800 Like I'm I'm friends with, with, with, with with the poor people. 794 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,360 So that makes me better than you. 795 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:11,760 Right. She's like, I'd give money to 796 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,640 charity. It's basically what she's doing. 797 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,880 She's like, I do charity by hanging out with these poor 798 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,160 people and helping. That was how I read Marina. 799 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:20,440 I was like, she's really fake, like. 800 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:25,840 But that makes you worse than them, because at least they are 801 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,360 real about who they are, so that makes you worse. 802 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,440 Yeah, and and I will say there is one moment with the charity 803 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,360 where basically their dad, like her dad set up this huge charity 804 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,120 event and they invite the poor kids for the photo op. 805 00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:46,200 And like Guzman was trying to convince Nadia to go at one 806 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:47,520 point. He's like, no, but it's like for 807 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,080 we're doing charity, like it's good. 808 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,760 Like this boy. And and then when he realizes 809 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,320 that it's a huge front and his dad's doing cocaine in the 810 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,000 backroom the next day at school, naughty, he's like, it was all 811 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,880 bullshit. Like he was real. 812 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120 Like he really thought he was like, no, we're doing a good 813 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:02,280 thing. And then he's like, this is 814 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,400 bullshit. And then so he I, I felt there 815 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,040 was realness to that character that I wasn't expecting where 816 00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:10,160 he's like, he really was trying to do the right thing the mass 817 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,680 majority of the time, like when he's not in a rage, like he's, 818 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,400 you know, because hormones and boy, but like he really was real 819 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,880 about their situation. A lot of times when he when the 820 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520 blinders comes off, he really saw it and reflected on it. 821 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,800 I was like, wow, this is bullshit. 822 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,400 I was complicit in some bullshit like, and he owned that, you 823 00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:33,320 know? He has a lot of anger and I feel 824 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:42,840 right, rightly so, because I know who I'm supposed to be. 825 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,760 I know that this is the person that I'm that people expect me 826 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,200 to be. But but I really don't want to 827 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,480 be this person. But I really don't don't have a 828 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,040 choice because my family will cut me off. 829 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,760 That's the crux of it all. These kids, at the end of the 830 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,840 day, they're like, I don't want to lose my privilege. 831 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,160 Carla. Carla. 832 00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:17,720 And it just gets worse. Like it just gets worse. 833 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,560 Like when they, well, I, I don't want to get give it away, but 834 00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:29,200 when they start to have celebrities come in to the 835 00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:34,440 school, it's like then it's like really like, Dang. 836 00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:40,360 And then they have like royalty coming to the school and like 837 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,640 then, then, then it really starts to get complex And, and 838 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:53,360 it's like, why are they not, why hasn't this school shut down? 839 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:58,720 Because the, because, because the, the actual school itself, 840 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:03,160 like you, you will see like as it goes on, the actual school 841 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:12,400 itself is corrupt. Like we, you think that it is 842 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:16,720 the people with the money, the school itself is corrupt. 843 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:24,120 So yeah, yeah, yeah. More things look hard here as we 844 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,480 keep watching Elite. Damn, there's just. 845 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,520 So much going. On all right, is there anything 846 00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,880 else you'd like to add about Season 1 before? 847 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,200 We go because I'm going to give away a whole lot of other stuff. 848 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,240 So I want to do that. But but, but it's like right 849 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:42,160 here, like it's it's like because because next. 850 00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,520 I'm telling you, I went episode into season 2 but Oh my God. 851 00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:54,040 But let Oh my God. But I will say this, they, they 852 00:53:54,080 --> 00:54:00,600 also throughout all this seasons, they touch on a lot of 853 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:09,760 things that's not talked about, like sexual abuse, drug abuse, 854 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:15,920 like they, they touch on a lot of things like racial topics. 855 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:23,040 They, they touch on a lot that I was like, yes, finally. 856 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:34,120 And it's just how, but you also see how because of the society 857 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:42,160 that they live in, how people have to navigate through these 858 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,040 things. And it's hurtful to see. 859 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,200 And it's like, man, like people really like you can't be who you 860 00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,840 are and you, you, you really have to suffer in silence. 861 00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:01,560 It's a a lot of what's going on. Like you see, because of the 862 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,960 class that they're in, they have to suffer in silence a lot. 863 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:15,280 And it's like it makes you, you dislike the character, but but 864 00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:20,080 then you also feel sorry because you realize there's really 865 00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,480 nothing that they can do about it. 866 00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,240 Yeah, like damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of 867 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:30,400 thing. So I hope that you continue to 868 00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,760 watch. Whoo. 869 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:35,760 Definitely. Like I said immediately, I was 870 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,800 like next. It is awesome. 871 00:55:39,720 --> 00:55:42,320 Anything you'd like to add, Caitlin, before we sign off for 872 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,040 today? I think that's it for me. 873 00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,080 All right, well, hopefully this has enticed you to watch Elite 874 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,200 or if you have watched Elite, let us know what you thought cuz 875 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,480 again, there's so much going on it's really hard to cover it in 876 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,960 like a short amount of time. So let us know what you thought 877 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,320 and if you'd like us to cover Season 2 because. 878 00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,760 Let us know. What's your favorite season is 879 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:10,440 and why? And who do you relate to the 880 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,480 most? Because there because there are 881 00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,240 a lot of characters that go in and out. 882 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:22,200 Which character do you relate to the most and why? 883 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,320 That's really good. Yeah. 884 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,840 Let us know in the comments and next time we'll come back we 885 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,160 will talk about all that because that sounds like a lot of fun to 886 00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:35,760 discuss, so OK, Well, thank you for joining us today, Alethia. 887 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,840 This was super fun. Check out Elite if you haven't. 888 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,200 And until next time, hydrate for lesbian Jesus. 889 00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,080 And gate up all over the place. Bye. 890 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:50,120 Bye. And with that, we've been big 891 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,360 gay energy. Thank you for listening. 892 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,720 We'd really appreciate it if you downloaded this episode and left 893 00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,120 us a review. 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