Hello and welcome to Big Gay Energy.
I'm Bree. I'm Theora.
And I'm Caitlin. Come along with us while we dive
into the fun and nuances of queer media.
Representation matters, and we're here to talk about it.
Cheers, queers. Today on the Big Gay Agenda is a
new Big Gay Agenda item because I feel like our agendas are
cursed at this point. So originally we had another
episode that we were going to record, but life got in the way.
So we last minute came up with this new Big Gay Agenda item
today, where we'll be talking about L, GB T.
Q Ships. I'm.
Very excited. So am I.
I mean, who doesn't love? Ships, right?
The Internet definitely does. I've been excited.
About this, we asked all of you about ships, and it's like the
most engagement we've had in social media since Warrior.
None. So like everybody, a lot of
passion surrounding ships. Yes, which is why we love them.
So. You ready to get into it?
Yeah. All right.
All right, Caitlin, let's switch ARU.
I'm just gonna share my screen. All right.
I have to add it. You have to add it.
Yeah. Okay.
So today we're gonna talk about, like I said, LGBTQ ships.
Talking about who we captain. Who you, captain?
And everything in between. So let's.
Before we begin, hold on. I just want to hey talking.
I want to give a shout out to Theora.
Maybe now. Maybe.
Not. For always creating these
PowerPoints, if you're watching, if you're listening, we will
describe to you if we need to. But yeah, Theora puts in a lot
of work for these PowerPoints and it's very nice of her.
So continue. Thank you.
It's a job. Glad that I talked.
I'm so glad I didn't give you the talking rainbow stick, but
that's wow. I'm.
Just messing with. You just be stink.
Listen, this is all about ships. And like you said, Bree passion.
So this may get passionately heated, right?
That's why we're all here. All right.
So let's move on to I. Wait, I am at the end of the
fucking PowerPoint, Because of course I am.
We double checked that like three times.
Okay, sorry. We only see the first slide.
Great, that's cuz the 1st and the last are exactly the same.
This is why. All right, so before we get into
the actual shifts themselves. I'm good at.
PowerPoints because I literally part of my job is educating so I
make these all the time. So I always like to start with
the beginning. So what is this?
Why are we here? Kind of thing so.
What is shipping? It's it's like fandom.
It's a term that like comes up all, like all around.
But like, what is it? Where did it come from?
Like, how did we get this term that's so ubiquitous and just
like media, fan spaces? So the formal definition that I
found was that it's the desire by followers of a fandom.
So if you want to know what a fandom is, go check out our
Phantom episode for two or more people, either real life people,
which. That's anyway or fictional
characters to be in a romantic or a sexual relationship.
So that's what shipping is. We want these for the context of
this show. We're gonna be talking about
fictional, not real life people. Fictional characters still like
get together basically. So where did that term come
from? It may not surprise you.
It's come from the English word relationship, so the ship part
at the end and. The evolution of this is really
interesting. So originally it started as
relationshippers was like the full word.
And then it got and then as we do as humans, we're like, that's
a really long word, let's make this smaller.
So it got smaller and smaller and it became our shippers,
which I sounds like X-rated to be really weird and then
eventually just became shipper. So, like, that's kind of how we
got that word. Did you guys know?
This or just this? No information.
I didn't know the long name. Me either the evolution of the
name and I'm like, OK, they went a really roundabout way to get
here, no? Totally like, I like shipping.
To me as a native English speaker.
I'm like, OK, relationship, right?
Like, just start with relationship, right?
And then be like, what are we doing guys?
I don't know why it makes me think of chocolate chip cookies,
but it does. I just, I don't remember hearing
like any of these terms until like 2012.
So did you do research into like what the first ever ship was?
Is it on the next slide? Yes, Caitlin, we need to bring
us to the next slide. So one question I have is, so
who was the first ship? It's the first shit that
Caitlin's that kid that ruins the ending for everyone.
I try not. To hold on, my screens got
messed up. I know, all right.
I'm just not going to be able to see you guys.
My screens got messed up. We can still see us.
Never mind, it's just laggy. Hold on.
I'm going to okay now that technical difficulties have been
resolved. I'm impotent as you are.
Or clairvoyant. Yes.
So who was the first ship? Because I came across this and
thought it was interesting and it came it came along with the
term that's. Is it Charlie Chaplin in a
train? Oh my God, how many people are
going to get? That is my question.
I don't get it. Oh, oh, I know what Charlie
Chaplin is. Oh, OK.
That is not the answer though. What's the answer?
It's Mulder and Scully from The X-Files.
Make, I almost said Make ship. Instead of make it, it sure does
So the term shipping or ship came about in 1995 because of
these two, because fans kept watching them and they're like.
They should be together. Why are they not together?
And so that's where the whole terminology really started and
like came from. So you can thank Mulder and
Scully for shipping and that's how we're here today.
So that surprised you at all? They didn't ship Sherlock
Holmes. They fandomed them.
But not ship Sherlock with what's the other dude, Watson.
Yeah. There's plenty of that now, but
like I'm sure like people have been shipping stuff forever, but
like the term itself. And like the rise of that term
came from the ship, just like the fandom characteristics came
from the Sherlock Holmes book. So because I feel like people
are passionate and we've been shipping things forever, it's
just now collectively we are all talking about shipping together
and we have our own term for it. So there we are.
So now that we know what ships are, who was the first ship
let's talk about. Lesson shipping.
So what qualities do you look for in a ship?
I pulled the audience and put it out on, you know, the social
medias and what people generally like and we came up.
This is the collection of stuff that people have submitted as
qualities that they look for in a ship.
So the pacing of the ship is slow.
Is it fast? The writing of the media, it's
well written versus not as well written.
How adorable are they? Do the characters have chemistry
that works? Angst.
Was a big. One, and I agree with is there
an element of hope for the ship? Some people like certain tropes
like enemies to lovers, came up a bunch of times.
One I found really interesting was are the characters in the
ship relatable, Which is an interesting one and I guess if
you relate to it, you're more likely to like be drawn to it.
Elements of vulnerability between the characters and.
The elements of trust. And so do you agree, disagree,
or is there anything that's not on here that you look for in a
ship? Like, what do you guys look for?
They're queer, that's all. That's it?
No, but definitely recently. I mean, think about it, if any.
If there's any queer ship you'll I at least more likely to be
like all right fine. I'll wait for it.
That that what you shared in the slide is is a great general
collection of what makes you ship it.
Some couple on on me in media and then I think after that
you're just getting into the specifics of what you like
personally. So I think that's a that's a
really great, like generalization of why people
ship things. But I personally do look for
like, I don't. And you know, it's it's weird
because some ships that I've had, I would never have thought
that I would ship them until it happened.
So I never look for my ships, they just slap me in the face to
be honest. You just end up on the ship and
they're like, how did I get. Yeah, and I'm like, what
freaking did I get off of just now?
Where I got, I'm like, okay, fine, I guess I will put on a
tricorn hat and get a peg leg because we're pirates up in
here. Oh my gosh.
What do you think, Caitlin? Do you agree?
Disagree. I mean, I feel like the
chemistry is the biggest one because like the two.
And that's why crack ships become a thing, because two
characters have too much chemistry and it's casting's
fault. It's the actor's fault for being
so damn chemical. Yeah, but I preparing for this
episode. I realized that I must like
enemies to lovers more than I thought I did.
Yeah. I noticed that too.
Me. I was like, oh, all right.
Yeah, it's just like something about it up on you.
It is. It's the tension.
You don't. Sometimes you don't even realize
what you go for. And I think this is true in real
life and in your fictional relationship preferences, you
don't realize what you're at. You actually go gravitate
towards until you know there's enough of them to where you look
back and you're like, wait a minute.
Yeah, it reminded me of this girl that, like, I really did
not like. And like, we kind of both didn't
get along with each other and having the biggest crush on her.
Yeah, I'm telling you. I will say yeah.
And researching this was illuminating because you just
shipped your ships and you don't think about it when you actually
have to sit down and think about it.
I really like the tragic ones. My list of ships for, like, the
tragic section was like, I had to cut them all out.
Cuz there's so many. I'm like, wow, this is you and
your anks. Revealing.
I love it. It just it's a different level
of chemistry. Because for me, I some people
are just like, I wanted to be happy immediately.
I don't like that personally in media because like it's about
the journey, not the destination for me.
Like I like the journey, and if it happens to me, there's no
journey anymore, so I like it. Being Turns out we could start
out happy and then get angsty like a ship.
We're going to talk about like it starts out and you're like,
hey, this is awesome. And then the whole ride is just
angst is basically it. Yes, I like that too and there
just needs to be some angst to keep.
It's like a a chemical that goes into the chemistry.
It keeps it interesting, it keeps going like lovers to
enemies to lovers. That's that's when it.
Keeps like going, yeah. What's an example of that one?
Do you have one at the top of your head, Rayla?
Really. Yeah, Literally.
I wasn't here for most of that. Podcast okay, I wasn't
indefinite. Speaking of that, you guys set
me up like this. Let's move on to the first ship
that really launched this podcast.
So back if you're new to this podcast.
Welcome way back when we started off as Big Witch Energy and we
were focused on one television show called Motherland Fort
Salem and Bri and I founded the podcast and got together because
we love the show. And I think it's safe to say
that the reason we're here is mainly because of this ship that
was in the show with rail collar and Cilla Rams horn.
In the show, Motherland Port Salem.
So make an honorary like Hall of Fame status for this episode
because without them there wouldn't be a pod.
We wouldn't be airs because they're the reason we're really
here. So yes, Pre please explain.
Explain Rayla to the good people at home that don't know them or
would like to reminisce, because it's all about the journey.
If you haven't seen Motherland, go watch and go watch it.
Our listener episodes find it somewhere.
We there's a way, there's a way? Somebody asked.
Me that. And I was like, is it available
anywhere? It used to be on Hulu, Disney,
and then they started removing stuff like, yeah, I think it.
Might I think you buy it pay. Yeah, I think you have to pay.
It's like $2.00 an episode or something, but first of all
rude. Secondly homophobic.
Homophobic. So Motherland is a show that
starts off episode one. Very queer and yeah.
Because I had never seen anything like that in episode
one of a television show that was, you know basically your
almost your prime time type television show and it just they
go in hard because Rail gets to, gets to basic training and then
she meets this girl and then they're up against the wall.
That's basically. Maybe.
Maybe fucking in the first episode.
So it starts off they got this ship of staffing ship that goes
zero to 100 in the first episode, which what true to life
anyway, it's great. And then you fight.
You know, as the as the episodes come, you find out some
interesting things about Cilla that make you doubt her loyalty.
I don't want to like, is it spoilers if somebody hasn't, if
you haven't seen it. You just just in case, just out
and throwing this out there. There will be spoilers for the
vast majority of these ships. We're going to be going through
them pretty quickly. So, like, even if we spoil it,
little teeny tiny bit, please go watch whatever this is.
Anyway. Yes, please.
So basically, there's a whole Is she evil?
Is she not evil question for a while and then there's a oh,
definitely not a great great situation that's going on here.
And then we have the great they're a part time and we have
the great coming back together time and that's basically it.
I mean, but they had the it's a it's a ride.
What was the trope? The trope for them was they were
lovers. It was enemies.
Lovers to enemies to lovers to married.
Lovers to enemies. Lovers to Enemies to Lovers to
married. Yeah.
So it's like it's a journey, this ship, like you said.
Yeah, yeah, that's just. But like their example is super
rare. I'm just like they start off
together immediately, episode one, and then go on a journey
and they are such a well done ship, well acted.
We even had the privilege of talking to Taylor Hickston, who
played Grail Collar about her. You know process and how she
played Rail and it just it it speaks, not speaks, but it reads
very like genuine. It's well acted chemistry.
So it has all the elements that make a really good ship that you
can found a podcast on. Which we did, Yep.
And this is a applause. For you guys for creating the
podcast. This is a.
Pirate for. Our OG lesbian Jesus rail
collar? Exactly.
That's where that came from. Hydrate.
I would also like to say that I don't have many ships in my
life, that I still ship and I still ship these two because for
some reason I they just, they hit all the boxes for me.
Hydrate. Because witches.
Because like you witches, women. What's the W word and wonder?
Well, I mean you you had the kind of like anti authority
thing going on that was really attractive to me, they.
Were both rebels in a way? Yeah, they were.
Yeah. So you had the rebel thing going
on and you had like the terrorism aspect, which was
interesting. What?
Did you say Caitlin? The whole show was a rebellion.
Yeah, yeah, but you have them on opposite sides of the rebellion
tutor of the Rebellions for like a minute.
So like. Yeah, but you are correct.
The show itself is fantastic. Hence like why we we talked at
length about this show. Other thing I wanna know is they
have the classic Safic ship where it's one is blonde and one
is brunette. Classic classic dating back to
the days of your when that was the only way you could have a
female ship is if they had different hair colors so you can
tell them apart. Go back.
It's it's it's very consistent. For like decades, one had to be
blonde, one had to be brunette. Otherwise, was it queer?
I mean there? Hair color.
Yes, I do. There was really only one
difference in that I can think about the top of my head, and it
was just because that actor happened to have a different
hair color. I mean it was different than the
other. It's rare, though.
Yeah. They always have rare because
you can't have sisters then. It's weird, yeah.
Yeah, so absolutely love them. Check out Motherland if you have
it. We have so many episodes about
it. Interviews and if you're
listening, Amalia And check please.
Yeah, this girl. Get back in here.
Get back in here so we can talk to you.
We're so close, guys. We were so close.
Very. Very.
Tag her. Remind her that we're trying to
talk to her anyway. So, Amalia, please come on the
podcast. I don't care what, I don't care
what what year it is. I will talk to that woman about
that character. And I know we could talk about
them all day, and we have, but we will, we will move on from
our like honorary big energy ship that started the whole
thing. And from there we'll move on to
what I will deem the section maiden voyages so.
Listening. Go on YouTube.
Slash. If you're a patriot, you'll get
this early. And check out the visuals that
go with us. It only gets worse.
It's like terrible clip art. Yes, I.
Love it. It's so bad.
It's good. I love it.
Exactly the boat. The boat is just.
The boat is. Yeah, it's oh, I'm sorry,
continue Theora. Oh no, that's part of.
This was to be entertaining for you guys.
I love it. All right, so I'm calling this
The LGBTQ Maiden Voyages because I feel like, at least for me,
growing up at a time where, like, outwardly queer media was
like few and far between. I feel like shipping started
with, like, a lot of heterosexual ships, because
that's all we had. And I, the Internet didn't exist
and I didn't have the ability to ship things.
But like. Those ships existed.
So for this section we're going to talk about our first like
queer ship that like we can recall shipping for the very
first time. Like what was your the maiden
voyage, the first ship you ever captained.
So we'll start first with which will what will be surprising to
no one is free ship because you talked about it in the fan
episode and that is, well, I'll let you explain free for the
listeners at home that can't do this.
All right if you never watched Buffy.
And can get it. Get that?
I mean, watch it there's. It's so.
Good. It's so good.
There are a lot of problematic things that have come out in the
after, but the show itself is still good for a lot of reasons
and brought a lot of first things to the world, including
the first recurring queer relationship on primetime TV.
Which was Willow and Tara. So season four, they introduced
the character Tara, who was a friend of Willows, and you
didn't see her all that much. They went to a wicked group
together and that's where they met.
And then as time went on, there is an episode that is kind of an
acclaimed episode of that show. Called Hush, she was a silent
episode. So good.
I love that episode. And in that episode, you see
quite a bit more of Tara because she's helping Willow figure out
what's going on with the town, which is in the grips of these
fairy tale monsters in the episode.
So then you get to see their relationship develop from there.
They become a couple. And we deal with Willow coming
out to first and foremost the most important scene, Buffy,
where it was. Buffy is taken aback, very, and
like, doesn't really know what to say.
It's a very awkward scene. But she's supportive.
She just doesn't know what to say kind of thing because it's
out of left field for her, because she's never thought
about that because, well, I've been dating Oz.
I. Played by Seth Green before that
so. Yeah.
To her, for her to have been kind of keeping this to herself
and then all the sudden she's like, hey, so I am not straight
and I am dating Tara. It's like a big thing.
So after that we got some really great scenes with these two and
it was all fine and dandy. There was a breakup at one point
because Willow, they wanted to do that whole addiction
storyline with Willow. And then unfortunately, as soon
as I get back together, yes, it comes knocking the Bury Your
Gays trope. Yeah, like.
Oh my God. Let me tell you I if I had not
been spoiled to know that this was going to happen.
I would have lost my ever loving mind.
I still watched the episode, and I was still angry as hell
because it didn't make any freaking sense.
No, let me say for the baby gays out there that have never
watched the show, the stray bullet that kills Tara walked so
that Klexa could run like this was like the blueprint before we
even get the Klexa shit Because like, it made no sense and it
was some bullshit. And rightful outrage ensued from
this nonsense, from from Willow and the and the and the
audience. And yes, you had the outrage.
And then afterwards, Willow goes evil.
And that's another problematic thing.
It's just like 5 layers of what? Why?
What are you doing with our queer characters right now?
It's like it's like they took a bomb to the ship.
And then poisoned the ship and added a few demon pirates onto
the ship. And they just, like, kept
getting worse. And it spiraled from this piece
of homophobia that, yeah, Hara didn't deserve that shit.
So it's like, we're going to kill Tara and then we're going
to make the other queer character evil because of the
eggs that she's in over the death of her partner, so that
she just got back. And I'm like.
Yes. Don't leave that out.
This wasn't something. This wasn't like a scene where
you just were like, kind of saw her get shot.
This was a scene where a bullet came through a window, went
through her chest, and blood splattered on the other
character, Willow. And you saw her this, like,
visually, viscerally getting, like, murdered by a stray
bullet. After they just made-up from
being a part like it's literally clexa.
Like this was the Boothler guys fucked up shit.
And it was not handled well afterward.
I mean, eventually they gave Willow another love interest and
everyone hated her. I liked.
Her. I liked her too.
I liked Kennedy too. She was a sassy little Malassie
but. A lot of people didn't like her,
and I think it had a lot to do with the negativity surrounding
Tara's death. So yeah, I think that's fair.
And then in in the Buffy world, maybe this is Joss Whedon thing,
I don't really know. But I noticed in the show it's
very like OTP, like one true pair type of characters where
it's like the character gets like one love interest that's
like the most meaningful one. Which is why I find Willow
really interesting, because she has two based on the phases of
her sexuality. So I think people were kind of
maybe mad because like that kind of almost like breaks the norm
of like what that show had, where it's like really Buffy had
Angel, and it was always about Angel, even when she was with
other people and like that kind of stuff.
So I could do without Buffy's relationships.
Yeah, me too. Especially Spike myself.
But that's what I mean. Like, so anyway.
We're not getting out of Buffy Tangy.
But no, I understand. I understand the outrage.
But so my my my main. Thought overarching all of this
is that this was a time period where you was the end of the
90s, the early 2000s type era where you had still had like no
rip. I don't think you had much
representation in writers and directors, in people like you.
You didn't have those voices sharing information on and you
didn't have audience audience outcry to.
The extent like we had, that was the first one that I recall
where it was a big, huge shout from the community.
So from there it had to build and build and build because we
kept getting shitty representation and shitty
outcomes. So it was a straight white dudes
vision of what he wanted to do with the show with no regard for
queer audiences. That's how I feel about it.
Yeah, unfortunately. That has not changed.
It's gotten better. But that is probably in queer
media, just unfortunately. Sys.
Straight, white men. Yeah, yes, to clarify.
But regardless, they are an iconic ship for many reasons.
Groundbreaking at the time. It was well paced.
It hits a lot of the elements of why you would.
Captain A ship like that. Yeah, it was like the first time
I ever saw, like, women actually be able to just be in a
relationship on TV at like, at a prime time.
Like, wow. They're actually, like, letting
them kiss and like, be cute and shit.
Yeah, it was very sweet. Yeah, all.
Right. Well, bye bye maiden, Voyage,
Tara and Willow forever You are imortalized.
At this time, we'll move on to mine.
That makes no sense. No, we jumped.
We're jumping. It's back.
There we go. Caitlin's OK, so mine isn't
cannon. This is a crack ship.
Yes, that's really gotta start somewhere because so my journey,
I had to learn that you don't ship real life people.
When I was like, I was very very tiny relative to all of this
stuff. So primal.
Ours is the first time like I feel like I got into ships.
And my first one was technically Ezrea because I didn't let
myself be clear yet. So and I was also very innocent
and didn't know since 7th grade and didn't know that teachers
and students shouldn't be together.
So I always love Spencer and Aria and then I've I heard
someone talk about Asparia and I was like, I I like those two
together. So I jumped on that ship and I
don't have as much to say as break, but those two together,
they had such great chemistry. I mean, there's four girls like
the they split down the middle and the two, like Hannah and
Emily could be together and Spencer and Ari could be
together like that's. I would ship Hannah and Emily,
Yeah, yeah. I mean like they they both split
off really nicely and they their chemistry is great.
Someday we need to talk about this, Caitlyn.
Yes, I know we have. We have talked about this and.
I mean like in in depth. Yeah, I think you guys should
this and then we have to do, I mean this is Grey's Anatomy with
Pierre. Those are the two episodes that
we need to do at one point. But yes, so Spencer and Aria,
hopefully somebody out there will see what I see.
And they did because the name. I'm sure there's fan fiction.
There's there are things people see the vision, Okay, Crack
jokes I think are so fun because it's like you get to make it
whatever the hell you want. Yeah, it's fun, Okay.
So they had chemistry. No, it's never your fault.
Right. Speaking of something that had
many faults, we'll jump to my first ship.
I had to think about this and then I was like, this actually
was my first ship, but I have to explain the whole thing because
it's. Anyway, so if you've ever seen
Sailor Moon, cuz I used to watch that this is like a middle
school for me. I watched Sailor Moon and in it
two of the outer planet, Sailor Scouts, Sailor Uranus and Sailor
Neptune. I was like.
I I kind of, I'm feeling these too because one of them is like
more like a mask presenting woman which mask representation
for women is so like severely lacking.
And this isn't like an anime forum coming from like Japan and
so like the O G's in Japan and then in America I got like the
dubbed version and I need to point that out because there's
probably problematic shit that Brie is smiling.
So I maybe you know about this. Yeah, okay.
So I have to get into this if you're unaware.
So anyway, so you have Cilia Uranus who's like mask
presenting woman and then you have Cilia up to who's more like
fem and like they crazy chemistry and do things like
ballroom dance together and like go on dates and all this stuff
and I'm like, I'm feeling this ship.
The and what the fuck that Marie is talking about is because in
the Japanese version. However, in the American dubbed
version, they explain these two characters that they're cousins.
They're dating like they are partners, but in America they're
like, we can't have lesbians on the screen and so they made them
cousins. Meanwhile, they didn't change
any of the content, so they're still like, going out on dates
and ballroom dancing and like, how is that better?
Because they're promoting incest rather than just letting them be
queer. What?
Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
So they were together. But America.
Since America couldn't have the queer.
I America censored it and made it incest, which is somehow OK,
yes, because it's just like Ezrea where the teachers and
stuff is OK as when it came straight.
Having clutch your pearls if it's queer but it's like I was
like, but at the time I was watching this I didn't have the
Internet. I didn't realize that.
But I'm like there's a mystery between these two.
Why do you ship like? I want to ship them, but they're
cousins. And then found out that they're
actually can't canonically queer in the original Japanese version
of this anime. And I was like, I wasn't going
crazy. Like these two are very cute
together, so I feel validated. And I'm mad at America for
making me think they weren't queer when they were.
Freaking it out. And just for reference for
people, this first came out in Japan in 93.
Yeah. Or 92, sorry, 92.
I think I started watching it like late 90s early 2000 is when
it came to America. Like at the same time like
Pokémon used to be on the TV and things like that.
Like the show, like the OG show in America when we got it, but
this is some fucked up shit. But honestly I love them And now
you can probably hopefully get the real actual like translated
version, get the Japanese version and just with America or
whatever subtitles you need, you will not be disappointed.
They're really cute. It's a fun show, but these two
is actually my OG queer ship because.
Yeah, I had them very because it came from, not America.
Yeah, it came out in here in 95, yeah, Which was two years before
the end run, the ending of the show, just two years before I
was born. Super fun.
So if you're in anime and you haven't watched the other ones,
really fun, iconic people, some cosplay all the time.
Even if you're not into anime, it's it's worth watching because
I'm not a huge anime person, but I watch the shit out of that.
Love them, love the show. Overall, it's very it's very
fun. Are they in it prevalently?
Just. No, they show up in later
seasons, cuz it's like the it's it's like the original Sailor
Scouts are like kind of like it's based off the planet.
So it's like the planets that are closest to like Earth and
the sun and then these are the outer Sailor Scouts.
They come in and later seasons and like movies and things like
that, but. Top tier, top tier, queerness,
mass presenting woman like it's just it's all around great.
Fuck you America, for making them cousins and not.
Thinking it was weird, I'm pretty sure it would make them
like best friends or neighbors. It's the stupidest thing I've
ever cuz it's like they're way too romantic with each other.
It's just they're like insensified.
I fucking hate America anyway. Like, I don't want to rant all
day. I guess I love them, but I guess
they're like, we let's make them cousins so they have no reason
to think that they're together. My God, yeah, exactly.
It's the word off the gay. But they're still on screen
being romantic, so it doesn't make any money.
Do they ever kiss? I think they do in the the
Japanese room. So they do cut that out.
They cut that out. But like there's watch it and
tell me it's not clear. Like it's very clear.
So that was our first our maiden voyages, if you will, into
shipping. And so we'll move into just
ships in general, starting first with Happy Ships.
So the ships didn't tell why is there a skyscraper.
Because I couldn't find an island in clip art that I could
use for this. So it's just ships that keep on
sailing, so they keep coming back to land and they just keep
making voyages so happy. Ships not going to the same
house? Yeah, exactly.
So I'm going to start this off with.
A League of Their Own, because there are many, many, many ships
from that show that I could talk about, But I'm choosing to talk
about Birdie and Grace because I think they're an important ship
that influences other queerness in the show in such a beautiful
way. And we had the privilege of
talking to Lee, who plays Birdie, about their role.
And so they're, if you're not familiar with that couple,
they're kind of like a tertiary. Couple in a league of their own
this series. They're in Max Chaplin's
storyline so they're the African Americans in in the show like
community part. And Birdie is Max's uncle.
And so and Birdie is kind of the window for Max into like, living
as a queer person kind of out in the open.
In the 1940s America, which is crazy, but this character is
based on on real people who who really did this.
So I think that speaks volumes about the ship and just people
and their resilience. And Bertie is a trans man living
outwardly like that and has a wife named Gracie.
And they're the fucking cutest. Thing ever and it's just very
positive relationship of just queer love that can exist
despite an oppressive system and like their relationship
influences Max to you know figure out how to live as their
as he she they authentic self and so it's a beautiful ship
that creates more clearness in the universe and I just.
Absolutely love the two. It's my favorite ship from the
show. I know, they're so cute.
And pretty such a sharp dresser. It's always crazy.
They're just adorable. They're so sweet.
Yeah, there's nothing. Nothing.
I mean, they just make you feel warm.
I feel it's just. Happy.
It's just warm. And even in a world of
oppression, they make you feel happy and warm.
So much so that they even in the show, create their own queer
community where they have like queer parties at their houses
and like they foster community and like queer found families
and things like that, which is just I, which is a trope that I
love. And they're like the
instigators, inspiration for all of that.
I can't think of a better word of them I had.
But like, you know, so the facilitators of that, so they're
just such a lovely ship that puts Morganus out in the world
and like that's a ship. I want a captain.
Yes. Yeah, all.
No, my captain sat. Oh man, I wish I had one to wear
for this, but I do not, damn it. You always think of props later
and you always think like, can I have one which I find impressive
and I love? Do you have one free?
Is she going to get one? Because I can't see anything.
I don't. No, I don't have one.
OK, I'm going to move to the next ship.
This just happened to both you mine.
This next ship is my Forever OTP and that's Delphine and Kasima
from Orphan Black. I absolutely love the two of
them. And again, it's the journey, the
destination and Orphan Black was a show starring Tatiana Maslany.
It's a master class of acting. If you have seen it.
She plays at least 12 different characters in the show and I
don't want to spoil what it's about cuz I didn't understand
the premise until I watched it and I was like wow.
And it's just her acting is mind boggling and impressive.
And I do want to talk about that show one day for a lot of
reasons. It's a phenomenal show.
But in the show, one of her characters, Kasima, is a
scientist, and she runs into like scientist in college who's
like a teacher's aide or whatever named Delphine.
And they start this relationship based on the fact that they're
both really geeky and just love science.
And it's like the first time, like at the time I was like
going through or going into like biology as like my college
degree. And I was like queer, nerdy,
like scientists, Like, why did we ever see this?
Because for me the media at the time was like if you're in high
school or you're a degenerate because of Hays codes and things
like that. So like to see like I this is
the first time I ever felt like kind of represented on the
screen cuz I was like 2 scientists who were just like
being openly queer. And Delphine is goes on the
journey of figuring out she's bisexual, Kaseem is a lesbian
and I just love them. Their relationship is very much
like lovers, enemies, it's all of the things.
But at the end of the day, like their love for each other is
like she it's almost an unbreakable bond.
And the show continues in like a audio book format where Tatiana
reads like her, her lines. And so their story continues
like in the aftermath where they're like married and things
like that. And it's just it's a beautiful
relationship and I really love it and the show is just
phenomenal television show. See.
It makes a lot of sense since you're such a.
The women and it's women in STEM.
Women in STEM, Yeah, like positive queer Rep in STEM.
Like that was a rarity for me to see in in like Visual media at
the time. For sure, I just saw this show,
this. OK, so to be fair, I'm not like
a huge shipper of this ship. Like I love that it's there
because go gays. But I just the show in general
is just so amazing. And I'm so glad for my friends
at the time who, like, forced me to watch it because I'm
introduced to all these shows within the past, like, three
years. It's a good show, phenomenal
show. I'll make them like this
anymore. By that I mean they get multiple
seasons. Shade.
Fire Shot.
OK, Speaking of multiple seasons and anyway, well, we're on to
Caitlin. This OK, so the first one that I
put on here is Ava Sharp and Sarah Lance from DC's Legends of
Tomorrow and their ship name is Ava Lance.
Not so confused with an avalanche.
It does look like that when you're just flat reading they
are just OK. So this is an example of enemies
to lovers because they hate each other for like 1/2 of season
three I believe. And then, sorry, I just thought
that their first kiss is like, there's pirates there, yeah.
And there's like happening just pirates and then like they get
together finally and then they become like Co runners of the
ship of this like time travel team.
So they're like the moms of the family.
Yes. And so they're just they're so
cute together. And I didn't know whether or not
to put them actually here because like, technically they
do end up together. They're married.
I believe Sarah's pregnant with Ava's baby.
Biologically, both of us there's because now spoiler, Sarah's a
alien part. Alien after.
Yeah, it's a whole thing. It's a thing.
But they get kidnapped. Not kidnapped, but they get
thrown in jail at the end. And then it got cancelled.
And it's bullshit, but but the leading up to it, just seeing
them together and they had this one episode that was basically
them in IKEA. I love that episode.
It was my. Favorite episode?
And it's just, it's so domestic. Yeah, because Ava's lost in IKEA
and it's her like thing where she can't get out.
And it's just like because all their insecurities, they have to
fight their insecurities to get out of this IKEA.
And also I just did get. I got.
Stuck in an IKEA I couldn't figure out how to get out I was
like for. So relatable.
Yeah. They have to do things like put
together furniture together and then.
Pick a mattress and it's like how many years they're going to
have to like, commit to this one mattress.
And it's just, it's beautifully done and there's a deleted scene
of them just putting away dishes and it's just like seeing a
relationship like that and. Since their normal lives are so
crazy and, like, not normal, and having that episode be more
normal and seeing them do things like kind of hopeful, you're
like, oh, this could be me one day.
Especially for people who are like maybe just coming out and
be like, having to. I know when I was younger, I was
like, I can't picture my future with a dude.
Like, I'm never going to get married.
Then once I came out, I was like, oh, I can see it more now.
And so, like seeing that episode, it was just.
It was just so beautiful. They're such.
Cute. Opposites because you know the
whole, the whole crux of it is that Sarah is kind of a player
in her past. So she like go, she's gets girls
throughout time, gets whoever dude throughout.
Which was very nice to watch. So you had your bisexual rap
right there. And so she goes throughout time
being like this. Irresistible person to so many
other people. And then she finds Ava who is
very like a by the book kind of like federal government agent
type person and wants this forever type thing and has
doubts that you know. So you get Ava and doubting like
wondering if Sarah's ever going to want to settle down and Sarah
going do I want to settle down? Like, is is this what I want?
So you get that whole fun evolution and they do it.
The climax of Witches in the episode, Caitlin talked about
with IKEA. The juxtaposition I believe is
the word between the two of them is also makes it because they're
just they are so different. Also, if you're ever questioning
your sexuality, go watch the birthday episode.
Fair enough. Just type in Legends Tomorrow
birthday and it'll probably come up.
It's really, it's a great scene. Yeah.
Oh, and I need to do one shout out for the episode where
they're in like Viking like time period Viking time, and they're
wearing like, Viking shoes. Sweet Jesus.
Viking, Ava. Viking.
Ava. That was the episode when Ava
basically says that she's gay. Yeah.
And then she's like, I don't really like dudes.
And then, yeah, Sarah just gives her this.
Look, that's like the first time Sarah's like, oh, really?
Because, I mean, she looks hot and all that Viking gear like
she's about to shield maid in your ass into.
That was the start of something. And then the Cena with where
Sarah ends up under the desk, being very mischievous when
Ava's boss comes in. That was the wasn't that the
birthday? Yep, that was it.
Wow. On that happy birthday note,
let's move on to Caitlyn's next ship that she wants to scream
about. Please explain dear.
OK, so I was I had a feeling that this is coming next, which
is why I said start of something new in the last one.
So, all right, my current favorite ship is currently
Maddox and Ashlyn from High School Musical The Musical The
series. Such a long name it really is.
But those two are so cute and I just I I just want to talk about
them so bad. So my first note about them was
they're so cute. But anyway, so Maddox no Ashlyn
in the first two seasons basically dates this guy named
Big Red. And he's like called Biggie for
short. In season three, they go to camp
and that's where Maddox comes in.
And Maddox is a full lesbian. Like Knows is comfortable with
herself and it's just like so happy to meet everybody.
She's gone to camp. It's the most of the kids from
the East High because it's the same school.
I didn't. I didn't.
OK, side note. The show.
Is based in where they filmed High School Musical, but it's
the kids who actually go there. So they put on High School
Musical as their musical for The fall, and that's why it's called
High School Musical the Musical, the series.
I needed to explain that, so thank you.
So yeah, the first season they do High School Musical.
They were going to do High School Musical 2.
The second season they end up doing Beauty and the Beast for
other reasons, but that's not relevant right now.
But that's why it's called that. So it's based in their school.
So those kids come to this camp, and only two of them had come to
this camp before, but now they're all musical theater kids
and very close. So they came here.
So Maddox meets Ashlyn, and it's not like an instant ship thing,
but Ashlyn is still obsessed with Big Red and like writing
him every day, and she ends up like hating this other counselor
named Val. And Maddox realized, oh, this is
the same way. I thought about Madison when we
both went to camp here and we ended up dating.
But Maddox had already told Ashlyn that something else about
herself, and Ashlyn got pissed off because she doesn't want to
be told about herself. She wants to, you know, she's
like, I'm just secure. I know myself.
You can't tell me who I am. Anyway, I know this is very long
winded trying to get everything in here so.
Then they have this thing and there's fireworks at at the end
of this color war and Ashlyn hugs Val and she's like, oh
shit, I'm by. So, like, there's literally
fireworks there. So they realized that this whole
thing they're they're doing Frozen the musical as the camp
show and this, this is very convoluted if you don't watch
the show. So they're filming a documentary
throughout this camp, OKOK. So it's a TV show putting on a
musical, filming a documentary about the musical, with the kids
doing the musical. But it's directed by Corbin Blue
only. The documentary is directed by
Corbin Blue from High School Musical.
The actual High School Musical. Sorry, it's so confident.
It's like the whole show is very meta.
So in the documentary, Ashlyn's boyfriend Big Red comes out as
by, which is very weird because he doesn't even go to the camp.
He's not in it until the last episode of that season.
So, and there's this trailer for the documentary, and it makes
Ashlyn and Maddox look like they're in love with each other.
Because, I mean, they are, but that's they don't know that yet.
And at the end, it's just like Big Red saying hi.
I'm Big Red, I'm Ashlyn's boyfriend and I'm bi.
There was just like what the hell?
So basically by the 4th season, 3/4 of the show is queer.
It's amazing for for really, they all should be queer because
seriously, the chemistry between every single actor is
phenomenal. But.
They So season four stop with season three, Season 4, this is
more stuff I have to explain first, so you understand.
So they're filming High School Musical 4, the actual series,
not this. The movies, High School Musical,
they're filming a fourth one of the High School Musical reunion
with the actual actors from the High School Musical movies at
the place where they shot a High School Musical.
So East High. So there's some of the original
actors in it. They're sprinkled throughout the
show too, but in this season they're filming that movie and
then also the kids in this actual show.
Are putting on High School Musical 3 for their spring show,
their senior? Well, no, it's the fall.
I don't know. It's the last show.
So they're going to do High School Musical three and then
also film High School Musical four at the same time.
Does that make sense? Yes.
OK, cool. All right, so Maddox and her
brother Jet, who was in the last season as well, doesn't go to
their school, but they end up coming transferring to the
school. Because of the film.
And they needed a student PA, so Maddox came, but they also
needed a Chad for High School Musical 3 because all the
ensemble kids went to do the movie and get paid to be extras
instead of doing the musical. Got it.
I won't get too much into that because that's not necessary,
but apparently it is in my head. But anyway, Maddox.
Before Maddox even gets there, Ashlyn and her are texting
nonstop about their current relationships and giving each
other relationship advice. And yes, because that's going to
go great. And then once Maddox shows up,
Ashlyn becomes a bumble and idiot and can't figure out how
to walk and move her legs. So they're parting for each
other the whole time. And.
In this photo is the Halloween episode.
This photo, for people who are listening is the Halloween
episode and they are staring at each other in front of piano.
But before we even get to that scene, my favorite my favorite
part of this entire show is when Maddox tries to scare everybody.
They flicker the lights and it she looks like she got
electrocuted and just falls over.
They ask what should we do? Ashlynn screams.
Call an ambulance, runs over to Maddox, says I'll give her mouth
to mouth, and then she turns everyone as a friend.
Sure, Jan, sure, that is my favorite line of the entire show
and I didn't realize it. But when I was preparing for
this, I rewatched all their scenes.
And there's another time, like later, where the sound board for
the musical goes up in like starts sparking and.
People start running over and someone goes Maddox, are you
okay? Ashlyn goes.
Do you need mouth to mouth? But anyway, so they they do end
up together. But I have gripes about this
because in this episode, in the the Halloween episode is episode
four of the last season. There's 8 episodes in the last
season. And they sing.
And then in this photo that you see, they almost kiss.
And then I think you see it in the behind.
But there's this kid with like a pumpkin mask on and he comes
through the window right as they're about the freaking kiss
because they're lesbian. I mean Ashlyn is by OK, so we
need to make sure that's clear. They're not like lesbians, but
the because they're queers. So of course they get
interrupted. And then it's still pining the
rest of the season, because they're.
They're like, don't know if they like each other, but I mean,
they're literally about the kiss.
Obviously you both like each other, just kiss each other
anyway, so they finally get together in the finale.
Of course they do. It's a.
TV, you know. Yes.
Well, I mean, they confess their feelings for each other and then
Ashland goes, so we should just be friends, right.
And that he goes, yeah, that's that's exactly.
What I was thinking or it's it might have been the other way
around by the way. Then they part and then they
just come back together, kiss once, freak out in gay panic,
and then start kissing each other for, I mean like a good
1520 seconds. They put the camera on a
different character who interrupts them, but they don't
care. They just keep on kissing.
So they could like say like oh this kiss is really loud.
We just can't show the whole thing.
That's my theory at least. But then that that's it.
We get nothing else. We get, we get one scene of them
together and. Rude.
I mean, so basically they they end up together, but it doesn't
count because we don't see it, right?
I'm kidding. It does.
And they're so they're just really cute and I just love them
together. They're both great actresses.
And Julia, who plays Ashlynn, is just my favorite character of
the whole shows. And we were going well, I was
going to interview her right before the end of strikes.
So that's sad. But maybe one day.
Thank you for listening to my Ted talk about the show that I
could go on forever about, and I really do.
So if anybody out there watches the show, please message me.
People to talk to about this I. Really do.
Because I know this isn't a show the Ordinary would like.
I like musicals. I mean, maybe if you want to
watch the first, I don't like the first season that much.
I got OK, so my order for this show is 4321.
Like, it gets better each season.
It also gets queer, you see, right.
So. Is there a correlation?
There is, but it's it's so good and I love it.
And even though it's like a kid show, I don't know.
It's great. It's great and I love it.
And they're so cute. I mean, look at them.
I mean kids. Also, I'm a sucker for.
Someone who can sing and play the piano.
Like of course you are. Of course you are I.
Didn't like they sing, Yeah, but like Ashlynn is the best
character there is. I get a girl with all of her
things with Torrids. Doesn't matter.
The context doesn't matter what I just.
Realized apparently I have a thing for redheads, which I
never knew because I I was looking at this and then I
looked over. I'm like, there's us with Jess.
And I'm like, when did this happen?
Because I never. And then I'm like, oh, wait, I
also, there was the Alison Hannigan thing for a little
while. Yeah, I'm like, when does that
happen? So.
Chips are revealing. They really are.
But it has to be like dark red hair, apparently, of course, but
yeah. All right, Kaden, have you
ranted and expressed all of your passion?
No, I don't think that there's enough, but I I have to stop
myself because I think you've got been listening to this for
like 20 minutes now of my convoluted.
If anybody followed my description of this show I I do
apologize because I know half of that was random, but the show
can be really. Random.
It sounds super meta and I I didn't know that it's hilarious.
It's it's so much my I just love as a friend mouth to mouth thing
ever. All right, continue.
I'll try to compose myself over here in the meantime.
Well, may Maddox and Ashlyn keep on sailing off the screens.
Speaking of sailing, the person who plays Maddox, his name is
Sailor. That's a really weird, of
course, because it's meta. It's everything is meta.
But let's let's move on to a bunch of ships that keep on
sailing, that we have talked about on this show.
And we're going to start with just the heart stopper, the
entire show. Because every couple on this
show and now that I've read the graphic novels, they all have
happy endings and they're all queer and they're all the best.
I apologize. I left because I read one of the
the ships that see or put up here, but continue, Let's let's
shoot. So there's many ships on this
show that cover all the letters of the alphabet mafia.
So we have Tara and Darcy, who me and Caitlin scream about
every time they're on screen. They're the cute lesbian couple
who are just fucking adorable. Of course there's Nick and
Charlie, which was a fan favorite.
So if you. Hit us up on social media and
had Nick and Charlie. Here's your Nick and Charlie
moment. They get their own the whole
everybody gets their own side. They're they're such a beautiful
ship with Nick, who's bisexual, and Charlie, who's gay.
And, you know, the story really follows the two of them and
their relationship and their, you know, struggles with mental
health and things like that that go beyond just bromance, which
is something the writer Alice Osmond, who's asexual herself,
was explicitly trying to deal with this.
And it translates really beautifully.
We also have L and Tau L's a trans woman, and then Tau, who's
the token heterosexual. But the two of them are like the
cutest, like they're the slow burn ship, like the head ship is
the slow burn ship. It's like the best, oh.
My gosh, I love them so much. But they're the two idiots that
take forever to realize they like each other, but like
they've been friends forever. So it's like childhood friend to
like lovers kind of deal. And they're just the fucking
cutest. And then we have our ace king,
Isaac. And his romance with reading.
So I think in books a great ship and that's a ship that goes on
forever. And his journey to figure out
his identity and his kind of sexuality happens in season 2
primarily, which we will have. It's not available now, but we
will be getting into that very soon with them.
But they're all of these relationships are very like
heartwarming, hence like heart stopper and like really well
done, really well thoughtful. They're authentic.
You know it was written by a queer person and just you have
every color of the rainbow in in this show and it's just all of
them have happy end. There's more ships that happen
in season 2 that I couldn't fit them all on a freaking slide.
Like it just keeps getting gayer.
This show, it's so great. What is the new character's
name? Zahar Sahara Yeah, yeah, I
didn't. I didn't put.
I didn't put them on the screen because we haven't talked about
them yet. I know, but like I ship it, okay
continue. So do I.
Yeah, I definitely ship the two of them.
And then the teachers and everybody, they're all queer.
It's very all queer, all of them.
I love the photo that you picked of Isaac.
He's. So happy with this book, Isaac
with his books and also Isaac has wonderful taste in books
like his queer book Rex on Point.
As a reader, I love it. And yeah, so I love them.
Can't forget the Ace Prep. And romance can mean more than
just a person. Romance can be with a thing, an
object, an idea, whatever. And for Isaac, it's reading and
literary work and I love that. So yeah, I love them.
And shout out to everybody who's big Nick and Charlie fan.
They're absolutely freaking adorable.
Another ship or ships that we've talked about on the show.
We've done episodes about Glee and like I think we all have
opinions about Glee. So we have Britney and Santana
and then Curtin Blaine who like Brief had a said with Buffy.
It's like this was like prime time television show shown
around the world to these queers are very important for a lot of
people that were watching at the time because we just didn't see
Rep like these guys at all. So they were always, always hold
a special place in my heart for just being on air, pretend it
was the best. They were the best.
I love them so much because they're they're the friends, I
guess. Friends to lovers.
It's kind of their trajectory, yeah.
Yeah, and and they had like a good, friendly, casual lovers to
lovers. Yeah, I guess that's kind of, I
don't wear that one. But they were a good, like,
complimentary type of relationship where they they
were just very supportive of each other.
Always. That made them really special.
And like Curt and Blaine were kind of like that as well.
So despite Glee's problematic shit, these were these were some
good old ships back in the day. Except that of a wedding.
Yeah, the dual wedding at the end was just weird, but it's
like we're saving time I guess, by doing this.
What's up with dual weddings? I.
Don't know. I hate dual weddings.
Yeah, me too. Why is it always with queer?
Why do the queers have to share wedding day?
I don't know. It doesn't make any the art
verse. It was 2 straights but I still.
Hated it. I still hate it.
I guess it's the same time all. Right.
So to them they also had happy endings at the end.
Spoiler cuz they get married. And then, last but certainly not
least, is Laura and Carmela from Carmela, the web series
Cohombre. I mean, what do you what do you
just look at them Look. Adorable, adorable journalist
girl. Super broody, sarcastic vampire
girl. That's the the, the combo,
they're wonderful. There was just like speaking
like I think it was, it was like what would you call it?
Victim to to Victim to crush to lovers.
It's like prey and predator. Yeah, Predator puppy dog crush.
Because if you haven't seen it, go watch this web series.
You can just, like, watch it really quick and then watch the
movie. I love the.
Movie. Yeah, movie's great.
But you've got Carmelo, who's a very it's based on a very old
piece of literature called. Carmela And anyway don't.
I don't know if many people would read that.
I have, but it it's not like the series.
So basically Carmela's whole goal is to get Laura and and
help her mother sacrifice Laura to this giant God, this God,
basically. So that's what she's been doing
for hundreds of years. Getting girls and stealing them
away to be sacrificed to a God. But this?
She falls in love with Laura and wackiness ensues.
And they do end up together forever.
They do I really need to finish the show.
It's so good. And the movie is like the
movie's almost stand alone, like it's fucking amazing.
And you have. You could definitely watch the
movie without seeing the series, I think.
Yeah, for sure. And the movie, and the movie is
great too. If you don't know anything, they
start off together immediately in this movie and like, stay
together. But you also have an actress in
there who's in another ship. Later we're going to talk about
who's Dominique Provichosli I think is how you see her last
name. I'm sorry I butchered that who
plays Waverly ERP from Winona ERP.
And she's really fun in there too, to see all like the these,
like actresses working together. They they sorry, sorry, sorry.
I apologize At the time that stuff wasn't yeah wasn't the
scenario that they were in and all of the actors are are really
phenomenal and it's just a fun movie.
It's like watching Halloween honestly like takes place in a
haunted house. Like it's like a good Halloween
movie. I don't think the movie itself,
Maybe we should watch that and put it on our Patreon for
Halloween. Hey, I mean, we could, we could
put it on probably YouTube. I don't know that it's a strike.
Oh. Movie because.
It was like an indie movie. Yeah, you know that.
We have talked about it. We talked about it briefly when
we did our Carmela episode and just it's fun, it's free.
It's all. I mean the not the movie, I
don't think, but the web series itself is.
On YouTube, On YouTube. Yeah, great.
Classic never gets old. Season three, when they're
they're just, I was going to say this Season 3, they're trapped
in a library. They are.
And it's a haunted library. A sentient haunted library.
Yeah, it just throws a lot of stuff at them.
And yes, it's so the show is just it's funny, It's cute.
It's hot. Because there's their chemistry
Is bananas too show like a bottle show like, where the
whole season takes place in one. Yes, exactly.
Because it's low budget. It's low budget.
So they literally have it's, it's from the from the
perspective of a webcam. So Laura's webcam, Because she's
documenting the process. Because she's a journalism
student. So it's from her webcam.
So she's like talking to the web.
She's like talking to. She has like a show that she
puts up that's like a news thing for the all the kids on people
on campus to know what's going on in the big war with the Dean
slash evil vampire lady. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
The cousin Maddie. Oh.
No, no, no. I mean like the.
Oh, got it. Never mind.
So. There's a lot.
Camilla's mom. Camilla's mom.
Yeah. Anyway, super fun.
And then if you really like these actresses, they were in a
movie together called Almost Adults, which was done by the
creators of the web series or the web channel Gay Women's
Channel, who are fucking hilarious.
I love them. Yeah, that was like the first
people I watched when I came out.
Me too. Stuff.
I love them. They're hilarious.
But they were, they play friends like best friends in that.
Show or the movie, but their their chemistry together is so
great. I love these actors, we could
talk about them all day. Also we have for many hours.
So yeah, check out that episode if you want to reminisce on
Carmilla. And just check out Carmilla in
general. Natasha Naglavantis, Sorry.
Lover, lover, lover. I'll tell you the last name I
could never figure out how to. Say it.
Yeah. All right.
Well, that concludes our. Capture ships, happy ships.
I think before we move into the tragic ships, platonic ships,
crack ships and our fan ships submitted by our fans, I think
we should end the episode here. I think that's a good idea.
All right. And the ships can go on and on
and on and they bring out the passion and everyone.
So we will continue this and get into something.
Really. My favorite ships are all sad as
fuck. And the crack ships, I love
crack ships. So like, we have plenty more.
So if you've heard some of your ships that you've submitted so
far, thank you for submitting them.
We totally agree with everything you sent us.
We appreciate your insight into what you like in a ship.
We will continue this and go on to the rest of the journey with
ships. And until next time, continue
hydrating for lesbian Jesus and gang it up all over the place.
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