1 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:09,160 Hello and welcome to Big Gay Energy. 2 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,360 I'm Caitlin. And I'm Fiora. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,600 Come along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,280 queer media. Representation matters, and 5 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,600 we're. Here to talk about it. 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,640 Cheers, queers. What's on the big agenda today, 7 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,920 Fiora? Today we're going to be talking 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:31,720 about girls, the 1st 7 episodes of the series because we 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:33,880 couldn't help ourselves. 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So now we're here. 31 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:02,680 So we're going to talk about girls. 32 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,320 Caitlin, what do you want to start with? 33 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:12,840 I guess just the first thing I have is about prim and I have 34 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,120 to. Start strong with. 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,120 Prim Yeah, OK, because that OK. Prim. 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,720 Yeah. It's our first introduction to 37 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,840 girl roles, I believe. And I thought she was so 38 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:28,840 innocent and like, got the bad end of the deal in the 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,400 beginning. And like, boy, did I did we have 40 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,600 it wrong. I mean, we didn't get all the 41 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:35,320 facts. We didn't. 42 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,120 No, it's classic GMMTV. They're not going to give you 43 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,400 all the facts, which is what makes their shows so great. 44 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,680 Oh my gosh, yes, that is true. But like, yeah, she's like she's 45 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,120 so innocent. She Bambi abandoned her. 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:56,400 She yeah, like she can't be with Gloria because a Bambi showing 47 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:58,480 up, it's always Bambi's fault, Bambi's fault. 48 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,880 But no, this girl can be toxic in her own right like. 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,640 Prim is incredibly toxic. Prim's manipulative. 50 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,560 Prim's my least favorite person in the show. 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,440 She used to be, I think she used to be my favorite, but I think 52 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,240 it's only because she was not on. 53 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,120 I thought it is not right. Yeah, no, I was very excited. 54 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:27,200 I like, I love I so much that I wanted to love her. 55 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,520 As valid. There's a lot of similarities 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:37,680 between from Pluto. But like the way that she really 57 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:42,080 strung Gloria along for years. What? 58 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,880 It's not just Goria. She does it constantly with 59 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,960 multiple women. Goria's the worst one. 60 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,840 Oh my gosh. I just, yeah, no Prince. 61 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,480 Terrible. And then like, I understand 62 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,240 being like a workaholic, but she literally committed to being 63 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,720 with Bambi on her birthday and then completely abandoned her. 64 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,200 So she's the one who abandoned her first. 65 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,959 And like, kudos to Bambi for sticking up for herself. 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,640 You know what actually screw Prim. 67 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:25,400 Sorry, Prim. I want to get into Bambi because 68 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,080 that girl is a force. And like, she feels like the 69 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,000 most toxic character in the series, but she knows that about 70 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,720 herself. And that's what I actually love 71 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,760 because like. She owns her. 72 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:45,600 Yeah, she knows, she knows her flaws and she knows what she 73 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,480 wants. Cause like the way that she told 74 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,840 Prim that she wants all the attention and she wants someone 75 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,960 who will give her that. Like like kudos to her for 76 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,080 knowing like she's like, no, I want it to be all about me, but 77 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:58,840 you're not someone who can give it to me. 78 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:04,560 So let's end it like I that seemed, that seemed changed my 79 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,360 perspective on Bambi. Really. 80 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,080 I think the reason, so I wrote this, I wrote this in our web 81 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,080 piece article or I talked about that episode in particular. 82 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,000 But like the reason why is because that's Bambi's memory, 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,760 OK? Because all the flashbacks we 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,280 get of their relationship are Prim's memories. 85 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,480 So it paints Prim as the good guy, 'cause it's Prim's memory 86 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,640 and then you get Bambi's memory. A totally different, right? 87 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,040 So basically I just ate into the hands of the the creators of the 88 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,160 show. Yeah, you fall for these writers 89 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,440 every time I do. I'm just like, yeah, no, there's 90 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,440 more going on here than than, you know. 91 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,240 But but The thing is, like, people are like this in real 92 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,840 life, right? Because Prim convinces is like 93 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:54,200 has to be the good guy in every scenario, right? 94 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,840 Like Prim is like on a mission, whether she's conscious of this 95 00:05:56,840 --> 00:05:59,400 or not, she like, tries to portray herself as like the good 96 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,040 person, right? So like when it came to the 97 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:05,280 glorious stuff, I'll get to Bambi's the scene you're talking 98 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,440 about. But first I want to go because 99 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,200 you talk about gory. I want to go back to that really 100 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,400 quickly. So like when they get in the 101 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,960 confrontation with Goria, this poor first love of my life, 102 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,520 Goria, we'll have a whole devotion section of her later. 103 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,960 But when they're in that conversation where she's like, 104 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,560 OK, Bambi's back now. Like was were we ever going to 105 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,760 be a thing? Like Prim doesn't answer her. 106 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Prim just keeps saying like, the timing's bad. 107 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,880 The timing's bad. And then things slip out from 108 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,600 Prim's mouth. Or she's basically like, I 109 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,040 didn't know Bambi was going to come back. 110 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:34,640 And then so Gory's like, wait a minute. 111 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:36,200 So like, first of all, you said it was timing. 112 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,360 And now you're saying it's because Bambi's here. 113 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,000 So like, basically you were never going to pick me. 114 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,720 You were always going to wait for Bambi. 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,040 But Prim and Prim doesn't. She says it flat out. 116 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,440 And Prim's just like, I'm so sorry and hugs her. 117 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,680 Like she never acknowledges her own flaws. 118 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,160 Like she just has this thing where like either she's like 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,800 trying to spare the other person's feelings by being nice, 120 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,200 but that creates toxicity because she's not being 121 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,400 truthful. So it's a form of lying 122 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,280 actually. And so this is where Bambi and 123 00:07:06,280 --> 00:07:08,840 Prim are similar were like Prim lies to like quote, spare other 124 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:12,280 people's feelings and in effect make herself the good guy in the 125 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,080 scenario. And then but Bambi's just like 126 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,120 lies to the love of the game sometimes and you're just like, 127 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,880 why are you even lying in this scenario? 128 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,480 You're just like, what are you doing? 129 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,240 And but like Bambi also lies to get herself out of stuff. 130 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Like she just lies constantly, but like she knows that about 131 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,000 herself. And like, so like it was really, 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,840 it was really interesting to get there. 133 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,080 And it's really interesting to get the breakup scene from 134 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,680 Bambi. Because if you notice that all 135 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,960 the memories that Prim has and the memory she holds on to are 136 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,120 like the happy ones she's always reminiscing about like the first 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,760 time she asked Bambi out or like when they first started flirting 138 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,680 and like the birthday cake in the bathroom, Like she remembers 139 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,680 that shit. Bambi remembers the breakup. 140 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,520 Prim doesn't reminisce on the breakup. 141 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,360 Prim's upset that Bambi broke up with her, but she doesn't look 142 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,840 at why Bambi broke up with her. Like notice that Prim doesn't 143 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,960 fixate on that. Prim's not trying to make 144 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,240 herself better. She's just like, Bambi broke my 145 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,400 heart. Poor me, poor me, like, I'll 146 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,520 just wait for her to come back, like kind of thing. 147 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,280 She doesn't go like, well, wait, why did Bambi leave me? 148 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,360 And in that conversation, it was really like Bambi seemed like 149 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:16,960 the same one in the relationship. 150 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,680 And she was like, listen for him. 151 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Like, this is my birthday. You knew that you took this job. 152 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 And then Prim, instead of acknowledging it, What does Prim 153 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,800 do? Prim gets emotional and 154 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:29,960 defensive and she's like, baby, you know that I'm doing all this 155 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,080 shit and blah, blah, blah. And she's like lashes out at 156 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Bambi. She doesn't have a conversation 157 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,440 with her. She lashes out at Bambi and like 158 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,159 tries to hurt Bambi and Bambi's like, I understand your career 159 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:41,600 is important. And like truthfully, Prim was in 160 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,760 that stage where like she needs to work a lot to like make it in 161 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,080 the entertainment industry, which is a notoriously 162 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,240 challenging industry, right? And Bambi's like, I understand 163 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,240 that like I do, but I think we're at the point in our lives 164 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,360 where like we are not compatible in a relationship because I need 165 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,800 this thing from you and you can't give it to me right now 166 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,440 because you need to focus on your career and I want you to 167 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,160 succeed in your career. So like we need to go our 168 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,160 different ways and prim's like I'll try, but I'll try harder. 169 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,280 I I'll try harder and then it won't happen again. 170 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,120 A baby's like it's going to happen again. 171 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Like Prim self reflect girl. Like again, Prim's always like 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,000 no, no, no, I, I'm the good guy and the prim's like baby's like 173 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,360 girl, we're not. They don't communicate. 174 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,680 That's their issue. Those two do not actually 175 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:25,480 communicate about real shit until it's too late and they're 176 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,040 in a fight. Like that's kind of like their 177 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,440 relationship. Like notice when they're happy, 178 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:31,280 it's always like, you're cute, yo, you're cute. 179 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,080 It's that and everything looks fine on the surface, but then 180 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,240 like real shit happens and they don't talk about it. 181 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,840 Like I'm sorry, in the last episode baby's like, oh, you've 182 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,400 never taken me to your house, Prim. 183 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,400 What the fuck? Like Bambi's mom knew Prim and 184 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,080 she knew about her career and knew all these things about Prim 185 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,560 and the but Prim never took Baby home. 186 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,560 That's weird. Like that's weird. 187 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,480 And the Prim's like, no, no, no, because I'm poor. 188 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,080 And Baby's, like, I already know you're poor. 189 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,560 Like, that was not a shock. Like, yeah, like, there's 190 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:06,920 something weird going on there, too. 191 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,440 And like Bambi, who like very much wants to be in Prim's life, 192 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,320 I imagine had asked. But Prim shut it down. 193 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,960 Oh yeah, probably just not. You know what I mean? 194 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:17,520 Shut. It down. 195 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:23,080 She just didn't answer right. Like, yeah, she just evaded it 196 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:24,960 because like, that doesn't make Prim look good. 197 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,240 So Prim does a lot of self preservation shit in her 198 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,040 relationship with Bambi that like, makes her appear 199 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,400 manipulative in a way. Like she's kind of manipulative 200 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,440 when it comes to Bambi. Like at least emotionally 201 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,400 manipulative. Like any time Bambi like, 202 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,360 expresses her feelings, Prim's always like, Oh my God, you're 203 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:41,160 crazy. You're bubble. 204 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Like she like does all those weird like. 205 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,960 Yeah. That's fair. 206 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:48,200 I'm not saying Prim is a horrible person. 207 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,040 She's not a horrible person. The point of girls is that. 208 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,320 Everyone's a. 100 you have characters that are human 209 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,800 beings, you have characters that are humans and humans are good, 210 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,640 bad and everything in between. Like multiple things can be true 211 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,960 about one person. Yeah, like Prim cares about her 212 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,560 family and supports her family and loves her sister, loves her 213 00:11:05,560 --> 00:11:08,360 mom very true. She loves Bambi, but she also 214 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,080 does these other things too. Like nobody's perfect like and 215 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,640 that's why I like the show. There's no perfection doesn't 216 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,200 exist and like they're honest about that in the show. 217 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:22,480 Can we talk about another moment where I thought was really 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,480 messed up on Prim's part? I sure had. 219 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,920 Which one? There's so many. 220 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Well. This one was in six and Seven 221 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,600 where Bambi is trying to be nice and gives her father money. 222 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:40,080 Well, lends her father money and she goes off the handle and was 223 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,600 like, you don't have to make me happy. 224 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,080 You're not in charge of that. Like don't talk to me or 225 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,360 whatever, Stay in your own lane. I was just like, first of all, 226 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,640 Bambi acknowledges what she says. 227 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,760 She says I'm sorry I didn't know and acknowledges that she just 228 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,720 didn't do something right. But again, she didn't have the 229 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,280 information to know that this was right. 230 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:06,280 She. Did nothing wrong in the 231 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,440 situation. Prim. 232 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,360 Why? Why didn't she know that? 233 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,080 Prim, you guys have been dating for years. 234 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,400 Why didn't she know? That yeah, it seems like. 235 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:15,920 That's it. That's that's what I'm saying. 236 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,920 Like this show is not like explicitly showing you shit but 237 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,960 it does through their dialogue to be like Prim and baby don't 238 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,760 talk about things like you can see in their fights like Prim 239 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,440 never told how does Why did Prim never tell her? 240 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,360 That's on Prim I feel. Like Bambi doesn't actually know 241 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,320 prim like at all because prim. Doesn't they don't know each 242 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,600 other, period. Neither of them know each other. 243 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,920 I think that's the issue. Like you look at their 244 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,120 relationship and you're like, oh, they're the stable ones. 245 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,640 I think they are the most unstable relationship in the 246 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,160 show because they don't actually know each other, because they 247 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:48,640 don't actually talk about things. 248 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,600 Oh yeah, the other two, they just couples have talked. 249 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Actual conversations with each other yes exactly exactly. 250 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,400 And like this is real like some relationships are like this 251 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,160 where like the you can be. It is possible to be in a 252 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,640 relationship with somebody, be in love with them, have fun with 253 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,000 them, but you don't actually know them as a person like they 254 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,640 don't know each other is the thing and it's very apparent, 255 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,040 especially when they fight because that's when the truth 256 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:18,440 actually comes out from Prim mostly and you're like Prim, how 257 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,280 do we get here? It's because you don't talk to 258 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,880 each other. You guys don't talk. 259 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,400 Oh my gosh, that girl. They don't talk. 260 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,160 That's their issue. And like there's bigger issues 261 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,440 brewing with those two that I'm super worried about. 262 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,840 It all has to go back to Bambi. So like, because again, Prim 263 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,560 does still doesn't really know what happened to Bambi and like 264 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,480 the the dark year where she was gone like and she was mad that 265 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,480 she didn't know what was going on with Bambi, which like you 266 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,360 could read is controlling because she's like, you didn't 267 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,920 tell me what you were doing. What the fuck were you doing? 268 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,920 Bambi doesn't know anything about Crimson, anything you were 269 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,960 doing. And Bambi comes back into your 270 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,320 life and you're stringing along Gloria and then you have 271 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,080 assistants you willingly hire that are clearly into you and 272 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,240 you never tell them no. This is what I mean. 273 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,640 She leads on so many people and then it's just like, what do you 274 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:06,080 mean? Like and it's like Bram, you 275 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,960 either love the attention. Which yes. 276 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,840 Or like she does, I think she likes the attention. 277 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,640 That's why I think this the airy stuff is going to be 278 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,080 interesting. That character comes in. 279 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Here's here's Brown 3 of Prim doing the same same shit like 280 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,880 again, like you know what I mean? 281 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,600 Yeah, we're literally getting the same exact thing. 282 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,320 The same thing. So I'm very curious how that 283 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,840 goes down. But anyway, it's just going to 284 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,400 be fun to watch. But like Prim keeps doing the 285 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:38,560 same shit is my point and doesn't acknowledge your flaws. 286 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,080 But anyway with Bambi. So I'm worried about Bambi as a 287 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,960 human being because I I picked it up immediately when we were 288 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,400 watch. I forget what at the first 289 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,200 episode, remember watching the first episode together and she's 290 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,760 bagging Prim's apartment and she's acting crazy and I'm like, 291 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:57,120 is she on drugs? I she was, she was on drugs. 292 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,320 So Bambi has been using substance abuse for a while and 293 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,480 we've not addressed that really in the show. 294 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,760 So when Bambi gets upset, she was coping with drugs and 295 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,840 alcohol and partying and that's how she comes back into Prim's 296 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,200 life. And notice when she's happy with 297 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:15,880 Prim, she stops doing it because I think Bambi has this like 298 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,040 addictive personality and where she doesn't actually like deal 299 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,040 with her trauma, she's hiding from it or coping from it. 300 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,560 Because we had one, one instance where she goes to therapy and 301 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,520 the therapist is like, baby, you haven't been to therapy since 302 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,160 you got back. And then baby's like, well, I'm 303 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,080 back now to prove you everything's fine because I have 304 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:34,760 my girlfriend back so I'm happy. Yeah. 305 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,480 So yeah, she's only going to be when things are good. 306 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,400 But the issue is that you need the therapy when things are bad 307 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,680 so you can actually process what the hell is going on. 308 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:47,920 Right, so that that is showing us that Bambi is not processing 309 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,120 the trauma. She's the very real trauma she 310 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,880 has been through. OK, so then she's coping by 311 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,680 escapism with drugs, alcohol, partying and Prim. 312 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,280 The other thing is Prim, Prim is like a version of a drug, right? 313 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,000 When she's with Prim and happy, that's a form of addiction. 314 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,920 But what my thing is like when if they get in a humongous fight 315 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,680 and like Prim really crushes Bambi and Prim is like we are 316 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,280 done. I'm worried Bambi is going to 317 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,640 like OD. Like that's what I'm actually 318 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,440 worried about that character. I feel like she's going to go 319 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,120 off the deep end in a dangerous way and like she might die kind 320 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:26,520 of way because she's not coping and she doesn't have And also 321 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:28,960 like if you look at Bambi, she really doesn't have a support 322 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,960 system. And that became and I said that 323 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,600 in my episode 6 breakdown. And then it happened in seven 324 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,760 where it became very apparent when her and Sasha were talking 325 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,120 love their friendship, by the way. 326 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,080 Oh yes, So what they're that was one of my favorite scenes, them 327 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,920 talking because it was very revealing of a lot of things. 328 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:45,960 But in that conversation, you can really see that Bambi and 329 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,240 Sasha both don't have a support system. 330 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,720 They don't have a friendly relationship with their family 331 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,760 and they don't actually have friends like Bambi's. 332 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,280 Like I had a friend and then I fucked her and now we're dating. 333 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,840 So that's I lose my girlfriend, I lose my friend. 334 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,400 That's my one. And like that actually is not 335 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,800 healthy. Your only support system is your 336 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,359 partner. That's a lot to put on your 337 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,200 partner, you know what I mean? That's a lot. 338 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,480 And baby can pay for therapy. She just chooses that to go. 339 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,760 So both baby and prim don't actually deal with real shit. 340 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,960 They just kind of like Prim shuts down and then ignores it 341 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,800 and then baby copes with substance abuse. 342 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,240 Her girlfriend or you know, they both don't deal with shit. 343 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,440 It's kind of like their issue. So then when they have fights, 344 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:33,080 it's like nothing gets resolved really because they just they 345 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:34,480 don't, they're not good at dealing with. 346 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,880 So like until they learn to communicate and deal with stuff 347 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,000 and like actually deal with babies past and they're fucked. 348 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,920 Like they're not going to work out in a good in a healthy way. 349 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,240 They're going to be toxic until they deal with that shit. 350 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,680 Oh yes, 100%. That's my take on them. 351 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:53,720 I think that's very eye. Opening first of all, and I 352 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:00,240 think you're just right in general, like with the my gosh, 353 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,040 Bambi, yeah, no, I was right. Bambi and Shasha think I feel 354 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,400 like they're both characters who are going after the first person 355 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,400 who gives them what they need. So like Prim gives well, he gave 356 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,560 her attention at in the beginning before work got 357 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,440 involved. And for Shasha, Gauri is the 358 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,520 first person who told her like it is and was real with her. 359 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:32,200 So like they're both just falling back on like the one 360 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,560 person who gave them what they need first. 361 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:39,840 So like it to me, these relationships might not stay 362 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,600 because it's like it's just the first person. 363 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,920 Like, they might not actually be into them, but they're into what 364 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,320 they're giving them. I will. 365 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,160 I agree with you. I agree with you, however I 366 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,960 will. There's differences with the 367 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,680 Sasha Goria plotline because Goria also gets something out of 368 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,800 Sasha. So it's like mutual, kind of 369 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,760 like, 'cause remember she, she needs emotional support. 370 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,320 She comes to Sasha when she needs emotional support and that 371 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:07,320 they express that through sex basically. 372 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,520 And then Sasha also comes to Goria when she needs emotional 373 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,920 support. But like the difference between. 374 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Bambi and Prim and like Sasha and Gori and Sasha. 375 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:17,320 And Gori have comedy. That's true. 376 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,400 And they actually are getting to know each other as human beings. 377 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,760 So I think that they're a little bit different, but you're I 378 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,880 agree, there's it. That's why I think they're the, 379 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,160 the plot lines they chose to do in the show are extremely 380 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,840 interesting. So one thing I really love about 381 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,520 the show itself is that it's not a romance really, if you really 382 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,560 think about it. So and I think one of the things 383 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,280 going on with the show right now is that a lot of people don't 384 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:49,080 get the show, OK. And I think what reason #1 is 385 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,600 that people are not used to nuance and complicated stories 386 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200 because a lot of television is dumbed down, yes. 387 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,240 And this is not a dumbed down television show. 388 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,400 And people, when they say they want complicated characters, 389 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,640 what that actually means is like, you want a human being on 390 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,280 screen, OK? Because human beings are 391 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,080 unpredictable. They're not these simple. 392 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,480 They're not like people are not caricatures. 393 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,680 They're not like 3 traits, You know what I mean? 394 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,160 If you go to like. I don't know the water for 395 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,440 example, that's also great story. 396 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,760 I'm not saying that it's not, but like the characters have 397 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,920 like 3 personality traits and that's kind of it. 398 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:29,920 And we kind of play around with that because like the main thing 399 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,320 is like the romance that's going on. 400 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,720 So we have to like, kind of like give them traits that are simple 401 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,040 and then let them kind of do their thing. 402 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,720 And that's like most tiger love shows because like, the plot is 403 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,200 the bromance, right? And then like a lot of 404 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,680 characters, their trait is they love the other character. 405 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,280 And it's like, that's not a human being. 406 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,240 Human beings have a lot other shit going on that makes them 407 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,640 more complicated and makes them good people and bad people and 408 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,400 everything in between all at the same time. 409 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:58,000 And in here you have humans and humans are messy, right? 410 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,280 And so this is not a show that's a romance really. 411 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,080 This is a character focused show. 412 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,640 And really what the plot is, is the interpersonal dynamics going 413 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:11,640 on with these characters. And really it's about how like 414 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,600 relationships affect people, good, bad and everything in 415 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,640 between. Because a relation, people are 416 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,480 affected not just by the relationship they're in, but 417 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,480 like all the relationships have preceded that also. 418 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,320 So like when you come in and meet like Sasha, for example, 419 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,600 she's a really good example of this. 420 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,640 You first meet Sasha like wow, she's just this like player or 421 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,440 whatever. Like write her off. 422 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,040 She's she's nefarious, she's the villain, blah, blah, blah. 423 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,080 Then you get to know her and you're like, okay, she's lonely 424 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,360 because this woman has no family that gives a shit about her. 425 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:46,240 She's had her childhood ripped away from her and like is just 426 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,760 trying to like survive and find somebody who gets her. 427 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:51,760 Like that's where she's at. And then you have Goria on the 428 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,120 other hand, where Goria comes from this really loving, 429 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:58,200 supporting family, but has never been like loved romantically 430 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,840 because anytime she tries to date somebody, they ditch her 431 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,080 for somebody else. Like, she's cheated on by her 432 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,520 ex-girlfriend. And then Prim, who's strung her 433 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:10,480 along knowingly for over a year. And Gloria, Wendy Beater is 434 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,040 actively dealing with that. OK. 435 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,080 And so, like, take those two characters, try to put them in a 436 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,040 relationship, then what happens? So that's kind of the show. 437 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,840 They're like, what happens when you, like, kind of do this? 438 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,320 What happens to those characters? 439 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,000 And so, like, it's not so much the romance. 440 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,360 It's kind of like how these characters kind of, like, 441 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,680 interact with each other. And because you put them in 442 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,680 this, like, entertainment industry bubble, it's like 443 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,840 incestuous where everybody interacts with everybody. 444 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,720 Yeah. And it's very, very fun. 445 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,640 And I do love that about the show, honestly. 446 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,600 Yeah, the more you think about the show, too, I feel like you 447 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,280 have to think, yeah, you you have to think like you can't 448 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,400 just watch. You do have to just like sit 449 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,320 with it, which is good. Which? 450 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,800 Is not good. That they're doing weekly 451 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:54,920 release. Not that Ty girl loves don't do 452 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,680 weekly releases but like. This go for weekly releases 453 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,080 because you need to you need to sit with it and like also the 454 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,600 writers of the show are explicitly like not. 455 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,200 And I think the other frustrating thing that people 456 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,600 don't understand is they're like I saw one thing online where 457 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:13,000 they were like film was explaining something about Bambi 458 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,920 and like how baby feels and like kind of like her emotional 459 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080 journey. And one of the Twitter karma I 460 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,120 saw was so weird where they were like, why is it up to this is 461 00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,720 bad writing? Because why is it up to the 462 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,720 actor to explain to me all the stuff about their character? 463 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,200 I'm like, and in my head I'm like that. 464 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,040 I'm like. Film is explaining to you how 465 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,440 she was playing Bambi. Yeah, that was her and. 466 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,120 Basically saying you have to interpret what's going on with 467 00:23:36,120 --> 00:23:38,200 Bambi because like that's the actor's job. 468 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:40,040 They're they're, they, they know what's going on. 469 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,200 They have to show you that the writer is not required to tell 470 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,040 you explicitly what that character is feeling. 471 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,280 The actor has to do that non verbally. 472 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,840 They're also telling you things like I said, through their 473 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,840 dialogue. So you put together what's 474 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,360 happening. They don't have to show you 475 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,520 every single second of these people's lives like because 476 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,200 that's not real life like and also they don't got time for 477 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200 that. They have 12 episodes to teach 478 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,960 you 3 different. They go through three different 479 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,280 plot lines from six characters. Plus they don't have time for 480 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,360 that. Like you got to put some things 481 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,040 together to like understand them and like it's all there. 482 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,320 Like film is just explaining her. 483 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,080 She was acting like I was like, what is wrong with everybody 484 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,880 here? I also. 485 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,480 Yeah, you have to think that's the point. 486 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:20,800 I. Also love that they don't 487 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,880 overuse flashbacks to show us like what we just. 488 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,400 Saw Oh my God. Like they just agreed them 489 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,200 thinking what the character. Yeah, like, like, we can tell 490 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,520 yeah, what she's reflecting on. You do not need to show us what 491 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:38,720 we just saw, even if it was in the last episode. 100%, yeah. 492 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,240 I think the other thing I like about the show is that it's it's 493 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:47,160 modern filming style and it's like a modern, like television 494 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,760 storytelling. To your point, that doesn't rely 495 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,040 on flashbacks, it relies on the actor showing you their thinking 496 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,480 about. That, yeah. 497 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,400 I which I which like it's better time wise when you don't have a 498 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,000 lot of time to just be like, oh, Prim is thinking about Bambi, 499 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 duh, like and you just move on Like we don't have to have the 500 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:06,560 10 minute flashback of the thing. 501 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,120 We just. Saw honestly you. 502 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,520 Can see that she's thinking for me it's like and we move on. 503 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,200 Pop out for the production being like, OK, well let's just fill 504 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,080 time by putting in a. Flashback by putting in a 505 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,000 flashback, yeah. Because you could easily use 506 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,720 that time to tell something else. 507 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,720 I mean, it also might be a production like issue like that 508 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,440 they couldn't do more and like maybe with budgets and stuff, 509 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,600 but like I feel like they could. I think it's just. 510 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,040 A crush for people. No, I think it's they because 511 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,600 like, it's not like they don't have flashbacks. 512 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,760 They do. They are strategic flashbacks 513 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,760 that mean something and show you something you didn't see 514 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,120 already. And I and they're letting the 515 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,880 actors, who are all very good actors, show you their 516 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,760 characters reflecting. Like that's the actor's job is 517 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,240 to be like, oh, they're reflecting. 518 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,760 Yes, OK, let's move on. Anyway, so I think it's just 519 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,760 like a style choice and I, I'm, I'm, I'm here for the style 520 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,920 choices that they're making both in storytelling and also in the 521 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,880 the directing and all of that, which I'm not. 522 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,920 It's GMMP. I was not surprised by that. 523 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:15,520 That's why I was waiting for the show. 524 00:26:16,120 --> 00:26:18,760 That doesn't surprise me, but apparently it surprises some 525 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,920 people watching my show. I think the other thing that's 526 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,920 confusing people and the reason why people can't or not dig in 527 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,280 the show is that every single character on this show is 528 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,120 unreliable. So you have a host of unreliable 529 00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:33,520 narrators. You can't trust anything they 530 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,800 tell you because you in in real life, you can't trust anything. 531 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,040 You can't fully trust anybody in real life. 532 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Like people have agendas or people are have defense 533 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,760 mechanisms where they're maybe not fully honest about 534 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,200 everything. Like let's take men for example. 535 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,960 Like men, thank God we're finally getting to her trauma. 536 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,920 She got the cop hit plot line. And so she's not always honest 537 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,520 about stuff because A, she's figuring shit out in real time 538 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,920 and B, you can see she's got family trauma and not, you don't 539 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,440 always want to talk about your family trauma like openly. 540 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:05,960 You know, you got to be ready for that. 541 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,760 So like she's cagey a lot of times and you can see it where 542 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520 she holds back. And is not telling the. 543 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,320 Whole truth and that's real life. 544 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,920 Like sometimes you're not ready for that. 545 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,800 So like every single character is unreliable in their own 546 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,640 fashion. So it does, I like this, this 547 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,880 kind of story because it puts it on the audience to interpret 548 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,240 what they're seeing. And some people are very 549 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,120 uncomfortable with that. They're like, no, you need to 550 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:31,040 tell me. I need to hear it right from the 551 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,680 character's mouth. What's going on? 552 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Like, and some people, and I feel like we've done a 553 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,720 disservice by dumbing down television where that is what's 554 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,960 happening. They're telling you how they're 555 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,160 feeling with words versus letting the actor show you. 556 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840 And it's like, then people are confused when you get like more 557 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,080 real life human type characters who lie and are cagey and like 558 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,800 things like that. And people don't like that. 559 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,360 But I like that because that's real life and it's more fun, 560 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,040 though I do understand the people. 561 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,000 Who like being told like what's going on like sometimes? 562 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,480 Well, one, you might not want to think too much like that's not 563 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:11,120 all T VS to be thought about. Two, you could be just like, I 564 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:15,960 don't like assuming things about people like I just I'm like, 565 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,160 that's why I also, this is totally a random tangent, like I 566 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,040 don't have gaydar. I don't like assuming that 567 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,920 someone's gay just because of certain characteristics. 568 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,680 I just can't do it. Sometimes I don't see subtext in 569 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,880 most times I don't see subtext in shows. 570 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,560 We're working on it. That's why we have this. 571 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,840 That's not why we have the podcast, but it definitely 572 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560 helps. That's why we have the. 573 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,960 Podcast. It's why. 574 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,560 We have this podcast to help Caitlin figure out something. 575 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,480 Subtext. So yeah. 576 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,280 So it's like. All the valid types? 577 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760 Yeah, you're valid. It's valid media for. 578 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,800 People so like, that's why there's no show that's meant for 579 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,120 everybody. Like not everyone's going to 580 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,640 like a single show 100%. Claribel. 581 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:03,480 Kidding. Except Claribel, if you don't 582 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,400 like that. Show what is going on anyway. 583 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,760 No, we're not judging. No, exactly. 584 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,680 Like it's not for everybody. Like it's really not so, but to 585 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,880 sit there and say it's bad writing because they're not 586 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,080 explicitly telling me something, but the actor is emoting exactly 587 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,720 what's going on and or the characters are human and 588 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,600 unreliable. That's not bad writing. 589 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,160 This is actually an example of very good writing. 590 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,400 It's just you're not used to this because it's not the norm, 591 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,160 especially in the Thai girl love space. 592 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,480 The Thai girl love space is a lot more explicit type of not 593 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,280 saying it's bad. It's just more explicit where 594 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,160 you have more like this is how I'm feeling. 595 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,520 Here's the exact flashback of what the character is thinking. 596 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,760 It's a lot more direct to be like, so you're not confused. 597 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,600 This is what's happening right now. 598 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,480 Like the writer is being like very explicit. 599 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880 This is not explicit. This is very much like you need 600 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,000 to interpret what's going on. Oh, Sasha's giving a weird look. 601 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,440 Think of that way you will mm hmm. 602 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:58,880 And they just move on and. You're just like what? 603 00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,800 What was that? Yeah, it used to. 604 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,480 Be really actually thinking like who we can see what we're 605 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,120 seeing, but like deep down, like what is like their past? 606 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,200 What is? What do we know about this 607 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,320 character? They might not be thinking. 608 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,880 What you think they're thinking right now? 609 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,320 Right. And sometimes you'll never know. 610 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,080 And that's why that's why I like the show because there's, and 611 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,640 that's why we have the podcast, because there's like there's 612 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,400 infinite possibilities for a show like this. 613 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,800 And that's why that's this is the type of show, this is like 614 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,560 Killing Eve to me. This is the type of show that 615 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,040 makes week to week releases really fun because like you 616 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,000 don't know what's going on. And so it makes for good 617 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,080 conversation throughout the week to be like. 618 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,960 Like for example in. Episode 7 Gloria comes over with 619 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Prim to Sasha's house and is like I'm jealous and she tells 620 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,240 Prim who is she jealous of Prim or Sasha? 621 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,320 I have theories but like you don't know and we don't address 622 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,000 it and like you're saying that's just left hanging and you're 623 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,880 just like you are up to you. It's left to us to figure out 624 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,600 what she meant, but. Very fun. 625 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,000 I will. Honestly say that I forgot that 626 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:08,080 she and not Bambi Prim had a thing so I fully just like yeah 627 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,760 she's she's jealous of Shasha. No there is so much going on. 628 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,840 Is she even over Prim? Like no, probably not. 629 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,880 Let's get into. That first, like now that we're 630 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,960 here, let's talk about that moment because I have thoughts 631 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,240 about that because I think somebody else in the room knew 632 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,120 what was happening and it wasn't either of them. 633 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,200 So first of all, I think this is an action speaks louder than 634 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,120 word situation. So Gloria allegedly is still 635 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:34,800 getting over prim, which is probably real because like, how 636 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,920 long was that crush? I like year. 637 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,960 I feel like it was years because they were in school. 638 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,360 Yeah. Oh, it's like, yeah, I don't 639 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,280 know when exactly in college Prim and Bambi broke up because 640 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,840 like, they met. I think they met in college. 641 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,640 Her and yeah. They were. 642 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200 In uniforms. I'm not entirely sure the 643 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,800 timeline of that, but like, it's been at least a year. 644 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,160 We'll just say that because Bambi's been gone a year, right? 645 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,600 So it has to be at least a year, yeah. 646 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,600 Maybe more. Not entirely sure. 647 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,040 OK. So like, that's a long time to 648 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,760 be holding on to a crush for somebody and then, like work 649 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,720 with them and kiss them, which makes it worse for Gloria. 650 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,480 And then all Bambi, Bambi of all P is the X OK, that's a lot. 651 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,240 And like comes in and like throws A Molotov cocktail 652 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,560 basically at Gloria's life. That's what Bambi did. 653 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,360 And then Gloria still has to work with Frim, so she's still 654 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,280 interacting with her, which makes getting over her harder. 655 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,320 And Bambi is flaunting the relationship constantly. 656 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,160 So like that has to be extremely painful for Gloria. 657 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,960 And so I would imagine she's getting over it, but like is 658 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,120 salty about it, which is understandable because Prim also 659 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,200 lied to her so like. It's so I. 660 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,080 Feel like she's still dealing with those feelings but like 661 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,520 they're so complicated and let like the poor girl. 662 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,480 So then Prim, this idiot is like, I need to find Bambi 663 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,000 because I yelled at her and now she's with Sasha because yeah 664 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360 girl, go get that. Like so anyway. 665 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,000 So then she's like. Trying to figure out where she 666 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,680 lives. And then Prim, who's like, oh, I 667 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,800 know somebody that would know, calls Gloria. 668 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,360 When was the last time Prim called Gloria? 669 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,320 When she did something right, When does? 670 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,320 She call Gloria to be like how are you Gloria? 671 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200 How are you doing to check in on her? 672 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520 No, she calls Gloria when she fucking needs something because 673 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,440 Prim is kind of very toxic. Actually feel like a Prim so 674 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,600 poor Gori who knows what that conversation was like. 675 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,840 Gori is like why is she calling me and like maybe she got a 676 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,000 spark of hope and then it's I need to find Bambi. 677 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,000 She probably thought this was. At work or something, right? 678 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,440 My husband at. Work and she's like, I need to 679 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,680 find my girlfriend who's been terrorizing you. 680 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,040 You know what I mean? Every conversation would be 681 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,640 Bambi and glorious horrible. So then what? 682 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,000 But here's the deal. She's trying to find her and 683 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,360 she's like, I think she's with Sasha. 684 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,160 So. She's trying to find the 685 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,120 address. Like Gory could have gave her. 686 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,000 The address, but that's not what happens. 687 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,719 Gory goes with her, OK, goes with her to Sasha's. 688 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,880 OK. Now you could say security and 689 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,639 maybe security knows Goria because like their hookup 690 00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:18,239 situation and sees her and it's like OK, you can enter. 691 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,520 She didn't. Need to go up to the door if 692 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:23,719 that was the case, like she could have done. 693 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,440 Like, here you go, Pram, good luck. 694 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,080 Bye. And she could have left, but she 695 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,320 doesn't. She goes see for herself what's 696 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,639 going on. So when she says she's jealous. 697 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,840 OK, I think it's. Over Sasha, because then the 698 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,639 door opens and Sasha's looking at this and she does this smirk 699 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,679 at the end when Goria just lets her, invites herself in the flat 700 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,400 like she owns the place and she's like, she's jealous 'cause 701 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,679 she in the prior episode she's like, I know when you're jealous 702 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,320 and Goria's like, yeah, you don't know me. 703 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,960 And she's like, bitch, I didn't need to know you since you were 704 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,400 five to know when you're jealous. 705 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,400 It's obvious, so like. I think that's what. 706 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,000 Was because, like again, the actions speak louder than words. 707 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,240 In that scenario, I'd be like, you didn't have to physically 708 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,040 come here, but you did. Oh yeah. 709 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,760 Yeah. I mean, yeah. 710 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,120 Also. Yeah, jealousy is written on her 711 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880 face when she's jealous. Right. 712 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,400 So like I think at. That point, the jealousy, she's 713 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:17,680 not. I think that that scene is 714 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,800 supposed to show us that like Gori is not jealous of her prim 715 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,000 anymore. I think it's I think it's 716 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,560 possible that she's still like, she still probably just want to 717 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,960 see Prim and Bambi because that probably still hurts, you know, 718 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,280 having gone through what she went through. 719 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200 But I don't think it's about Prim anymore. 720 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:35,160 It's more about like, why do I keep getting hurt by people? 721 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,360 I'm. Into yeah, you know. 722 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:40,440 I don't think it's really about Prim anymore, that girl. 723 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,520 Really does get hurt by everyone. 724 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,360 Literally everyone. Literally. 725 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,840 Literally. Yeah, I poor Gloria. 726 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,560 Gloria by the end of this better get everything she wants. 727 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,440 She you. Know what I mean? 728 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,880 Protect. Her at all cost. 729 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,520 I didn't think Gloria was going to be one of my favorite 730 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960 characters in the show, but she is my favorite character. 731 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,920 That I just realized. Well, I think I realized it 732 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,360 before, but. I went into. 733 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:14,320 This thinking Bambi and Shasha were the worst people on this 734 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,200 planet and I think Shasha is my favorite right now. 735 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,240 Sasha is my favorite. He's been my favorite since the 736 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:22,640 beginning. I love Sasha. 737 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,160 But again, like I just. Take things at face value and 738 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,360 that's a flaw in my part because there's a lot more to people and 739 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,120 I think that's what the show teaches you as well. 740 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,840 Like you cannot trust that you see on the outside, 'cause 741 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,880 there's so much. Human on. 742 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,240 The inside like they have so much life experience, trauma and 743 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,280 you can never know somebody just from. 744 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,760 How they portray. Themselves because especially a 745 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,120 celebrity yes, that's the. Other thing with Sasha 746 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,320 especially, and I. Love that that's. 747 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:04,160 Something too, because what you see is not real. 748 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,040 Who they are? Yeah. 749 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,280 And she made that. I like that she made that point 750 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,760 with because she's having conversations with Goria now in 751 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,920 the manager's realm where she's like very explicitly admit she's 752 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,040 like, listen, like the reason I really need a manager is because 753 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,000 like, I don't like talking to people, which is relatable, 754 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520 relatable. And she's like, and also like 755 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,720 she's like afraid to say stuff. She's like, if I want something 756 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,360 or don't want something, I'm afraid to voice my real opinions 757 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,920 because then people are going to judge me and be like, well, 758 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,440 she's picky. She's this, she's that. 759 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,880 So I let my manager handle it, meaning I can't be myself in 760 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,120 these interviews because I'm going to get judged for it and 761 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,720 I'm in the public eye all the time. 762 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,760 So like you, you can't know Sasha and it's the another she 763 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,560 can't let you know her. And that's the other thing. 764 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,000 Like they were having her and Gloria were having some 765 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,080 conversation with Gloria's like, oh, your life is so perfect, 766 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,880 Miss Model. And she's like, hey, did you 767 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,000 know this shit about me? Like of course not. 768 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,360 People look at like about I had no childhood. 769 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,240 Did you know that she's like, most people don't know. 770 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,880 They look at me and think I'm perfect 'cause I made it in 771 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920 modeling. But like, you don't know, you 772 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,120 don't know me just the way my fans don't know me. 773 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,560 Just like. How in that the scene in the 774 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,120 first episode where Shasha freaks out because someone's 775 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:18,040 taking her photo during the photo shoot, like something, 776 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,680 yeah, had to have happened for her to react like you caught. 777 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,120 That immediately you're like something happened in the past 778 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,600 and I agree I she definitely has trauma that's related to the 779 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,640 entertainment industry yeah and like it's. 780 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,320 Very easy to write it off when you first watch it. 781 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,800 Being like she's being controlling, she's just being, 782 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,600 she just knows that she's powerful, she can do whatever 783 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,520 she wants. That's the point. 784 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,720 That's the point. That's how they wrote it 785 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:43,360 exactly. But again, there's always. 786 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,800 A reason for that. There's a reason someone, even 787 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,600 if it is that case, like they think they're powerful and 788 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,280 untouchable. There's a reason they're like 789 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,960 that. The people around them might 790 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,080 have caused them to feel like that. 791 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,920 Yeah, enabled it that behavior. But with her, she. 792 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,280 Has no one. So like there is A and then the 793 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,200 way that I think maybe one of your articles brought up the 794 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:12,840 fact that when she reacted in the gym, I actually don't. 795 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,800 Oh yeah, that's the other one. Yeah, it's the same scenario 796 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,360 when yeah, I want to talk about that. 797 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,920 When Goria's being filmed and Sasha sees it, notice her 798 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,200 reaction, it was a very emotional, like she was 799 00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,080 disgusted reaction. So I think that's also being 800 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,640 triggered by whatever the hell happened to her against her 801 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000 consent. And so she saw it happening and 802 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,960 she protects. And the other thing I really 803 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,040 like about the two of them is that they actually protect each 804 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,640 other if you notice them like she protect like nobody asked 805 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600 her to do that. She wasn't doing that for for 806 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,440 like brownie points with Gloria, anything like that. 807 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,200 She saw something bad happen to her and like immediately stepped 808 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,440 in and was like in a fist fight the guy like that's how upset 809 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,320 she was. And then in. 810 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:59,720 Episode 7 when Sasha's up there or her worst nightmare where her 811 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440 reporters are asking her questions and she has no manager 812 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:03,440 to step in. She's. 813 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,840 Deer in headlights and what does goria do Goria extracts her 814 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,440 immediately and it's like she's got somewhere to be we got to go 815 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,800 like and runs away with her to get her out of there because 816 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,320 she's like you're uncomfortable and this is your kryptonite let 817 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:20,200 me save you versus like prim let's go back to prim because I 818 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,280 love you wearing. Obviously. 819 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,040 Obviously Sasha and. Prim are foils for each other. 820 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,080 Like obviously. And notice prim. 821 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680 Prim, who always has to like, come off as the good guy. 822 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,760 When? Bambi is like berating Goria and 823 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,520 clearly making Goria uncomfortable. 824 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,720 Like in front of Prim. Does Prim do anything? 825 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200 No Prim. Doesn't help Goria. 826 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,120 She just stands there and like later talks to Bambi when no one 827 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,160 else can see but like. We're that Sasha? 828 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,440 I feel like Sasha will be like Bambi shut the no, she 829 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,640 definitely was there, but she didn't do anything she didn't 830 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,480 like step in like Prim doesn't like protect anybody really. 831 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,440 But like those two like actually like look out for each other in. 832 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,120 Those like moments. With the other person needs that 833 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,600 kind of thing, even if the other person doesn't like it's not 834 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,880 asking you to do it. They just step in and volunteer. 835 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,360 So I do like that about that. That's I mean their relationship 836 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,560 to me of all of them would be the one that makes it because 837 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,360 like there's a lot more going on with them. 838 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,120 It's like the ass backwards relationship where it starts 839 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,280 with sex and then they get to know each other later and then 840 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,280 we're starting to get like intimate moments with them that 841 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,240 are just intimate. Like the hug when they were 842 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,200 dancing. Like that's probably their most 843 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,480 intimate scene to be honest with you, because that was like 844 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,480 emotional vulnerability from both of them. 845 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,680 That was like a reciprocated thing. 846 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,480 So I like the way their relationship is like 847 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,440 progressing. It's really, it's really 848 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000 interesting the way they wrote it and it's unfolding and it's 849 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,960 very fun to watch. I enjoyed the scene. 850 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,360 Where Shasha is like, well, we got the benefits part, we need 851 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,760 the friends part. And it's like, yeah. 852 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,360 Tell me about. Yourself and like they just 853 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,520 start listing these things and like. 854 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,040 And like being real. Like these are real things about 855 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,240 themselves and now I'm just like wondering, is this more than 856 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:09,640 Prim and Bambi know about each other? 857 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,600 That's. My point exactly, like Prim and 858 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:13,920 do Prim and Bambi actually know it? 859 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,760 They're like, we've been through a lot. 860 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,440 It's like, sure, you can like go through stuff with people and 861 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,680 still not know them, 'cause like, here's what was their last 862 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,080 fight, their last fight, promos like Bambi, I feel like I don't 863 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,000 know you sometimes. It's like, I don't think you 864 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,000 know her at all. I think that's the actually the 865 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,000 problem. Yeah. 866 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,280 You guys need to have conversations. 867 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,000 They have. Ideals, idealistic views of the 868 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,720 other person in their head and when they don't live up to that 869 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,720 expectation. That's when they start. 870 00:42:39,720 --> 00:42:43,320 Lashing out at the other person. Yeah, it's almost. 871 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,880 Like I'm in love with there's songs like where I'm in love 872 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,400 with the idea of you, not necessarily you, yeah, kind of 873 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:52,800 thing, you as a person, you know what I mean? 874 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:57,040 It's it gives that energy their relationship, but. 875 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,000 You know who has? You know who gets each other? 876 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520 Prim sister and baby. They seem like they're on the 877 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:12,320 same page. I'm really into their all their 878 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:13,840 interactions. Oh my gosh, yeah. 879 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,360 The the the scene at the dinner. The dinner. 880 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,280 Table. That was a really cute being 881 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,000 with them. They were really cute. 882 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,360 They were so funny together. She's. 883 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,480 Like I'll just get a rich. Girlfriend. 884 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,240 And then she's like, yeah, Bambi gets me. 885 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:31,720 And Bambi's like, that's right. Bambi's all for it. 886 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,840 She's like, yeah, that's what I bring. 887 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,960 To the table. Look, I'm here for money. 888 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,120 That was probably that was probably one of the cutest 889 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,360 scenes. Just speaking. 890 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:50,160 Of prim sister bipor, right? I think that anything else? 891 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,000 Are you saying bipor? I love, well, Bipor and Crystal. 892 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,680 We got everybody in this show because I brought up that they 893 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,080 would be in the show and yours like they're not in it. 894 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,720 I'm like, oh shit, they're not they. 895 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,440 Are meaning they. Weren't they weren't character? 896 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,200 They're not, but yeah it. Was so great, we got all the. 897 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,720 Pictures showing up in the show, Yeah. 898 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,040 First of all. Yeah, I love that. 899 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,480 We're like, oh, Prim has a sister. 900 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,800 I hope it's Bonnie. And then it was. 901 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,520 And then what's so random? That was really random. 902 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:27,480 And great. And then with Crystal GMMTV out 903 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,720 here casually flexing that they own the best OST all the time 904 00:44:31,720 --> 00:44:34,360 was my favorite power move in the show. 905 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,840 Not just all the bitches that show up. 906 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,680 It was that specifically, but they're like, in case you never 907 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,160 watched us the series, here's this gem of a song. 908 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,960 We're gonna have Bonnie or Emmy. I sing casually that other 909 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,680 people have. Tried to sing but like. 910 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:51,640 It's Emmy song. It's Emmy song. 911 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,800 We're just gonna throw that out there. 912 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,400 And I love that scene. Everybody already knows the 913 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,360 song, so it's really meta to see, like all the other actors 914 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,200 singing the US theme song in the, like, crowd. 915 00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,080 Oh my gosh. And we got a. 916 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,320 Mob boss and Oat holding hands in the middle of the song I just 917 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,880 love to getting. To hear that song again too, and 918 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,960 seeing her sing it. But yes. 919 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,480 The minute I heard the first note I was like. 920 00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,360 We're doing. This Yeah, that's great. 921 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,040 Yeah. It was just such a joy. 922 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:30,080 I I was in the reaction video. If you watch I my dog was on my 923 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,360 lap and I was just like literally clutching her to my 924 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,240 chest being like, Oh my God. Look, listen, she couldn't 925 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,160 listen, said earbuds in. Not that she would get it even 926 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,360 if she could, but she was just like, what's going on? 927 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,400 Anyway, it was a great scene. Had to be there. 928 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,640 I was I. Was great, but like what a flex. 929 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,800 The fact that they could flex that was fantastic. 930 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:57,360 Which means it is in the running again for best OST 20. 26 which 931 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,960 is not fair to anybody. Else it happened in 2026 and and 932 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,360 it is a candor it's but like girl rolls version. 933 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,720 It's the girl rolls version. Is there a bad version of that 934 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:11,840 song? There isn't, so that's not fair 935 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:12,720 to anybody. Thanks. 936 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,120 That was hilarious and. Can we talk about the fact that 937 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,560 I like Crystal and Sasha's friendship, where these idiots 938 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200 are just like, oh, you're into that girl. 939 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:31,720 Let me construct an entire music video so that you can get to act 940 00:46:31,720 --> 00:46:33,520 with the girl you're interested in. 941 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,600 The fact that those two idiots went in on that together and 942 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,200 Crystal's like, I can't act. Are you a performer? 943 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,360 And then she's like, I can't act though, but you could. 944 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,920 How about the stylist? I wouldn't have. 945 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,960 Loved if Prim was like, but you've done all of these music 946 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,520 videos. That's what I mean. 947 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,120 Oh my gosh. The commitment. 948 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:02,200 To that was hilarious. And the only it stopped. 949 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,600 Poor poor gory in the room and she's like am I only same 950 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,680 person? Being like this is insane. 951 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:07,920 And we're like all. OK. 952 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,000 Men are just like you're paying us, so I guess we got to do 953 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,280 this. Everyone's just so. 954 00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,280 OK with the stylist being in this music video. 955 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,880 Not that she couldn't like also are like the crew getting into 956 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:27,560 content 100% I was just. It was clearly. 957 00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,520 Staged. And like, again, the only person 958 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,800 who's like, this is clearly staged is Gordon, who realizes 959 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,120 that everyone else is like, weird but OK. 960 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920 You know. Men knew that like. 961 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,040 Men's Observant. I feel like OK. 962 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,120 Question though about. That whole thing though, so they 963 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,880 do the, they do the music. Video so that Sasha can flirt, 964 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,200 which they did not look at all in my opinion. 965 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,040 No, I don't know how. They got. 966 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,880 Anything usable in there? I mean, I know we saw they were 967 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,640 like. They were fighting the whole. 968 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,000 Time, which was it was fun though. 969 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,880 It was fun to watch them fight, OK, But then they were like, 970 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,360 they were going to have a kiss scene, right? 971 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:13,080 And then Prim shuts it down. Did Prim shut it down actually 972 00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,920 because she didn't want a kissing in the music video? 973 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,960 Or is she like I? I did see jealous that. 974 00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,520 Sasha gets the girl that was into her and she can't have 975 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,120 that. I don't. 976 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,960 Know like face value, I don't know, she just won't use it. 977 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,800 But yeah, like it could definitely be a possibility that 978 00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:35,920 she just didn't want to see her kiss someone else. 979 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,000 Because she wants. Everything. 980 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,680 I agree. I would, I would not put it past 981 00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,960 Prim as the thing because like I don't believe Prim has done so 982 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120 many things on the show where she says something and then does 983 00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,360 the opposite that I don't believe her when she tells me 984 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,000 things. Or when she's saying things. 985 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,480 Like I don't believe her at face value. 986 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,080 I'm like, what do you really mean, Prim? 987 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,600 Because like you keep doing this. 988 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,920 So I don't know that struck. Me as a a weird moment where I 989 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,760 was like feel like you can go other way with this Prem because 990 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,720 Prem you you'd be lying to me. You'd call a baby for lying, but 991 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:10,000 you would the only other. Possibility would be that she 992 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,840 was like protecting Gloria. Hold on, just let me get it out. 993 00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,600 And I know, I know. And. 994 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,960 She was like, she knows that Gloria didn't want to do this 995 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,160 and so she didn't want to make her kiss her. 996 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,760 I don't think that's the actual case. 997 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,760 That's just the other like scenario. 998 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,520 Right. Or Prim in her brain convinced 999 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,200 herself of that I can. Oh yeah, she definitely would 1000 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,840 convince herself as the motivation, right? 1001 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:37,520 But it's not the motivation because like if Prim really 1002 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,720 fucking believed that then she wouldn't have been like Goria 1003 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:43,720 knows where Sasha lives. Yeah, later on. 1004 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,040 Like 2 episodes later. So yeah, Prim's Prim's a whole 1005 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,600 ass lie. That's what I'm saying. 1006 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,280 But I thought that was if you have opinions on that, I'm 1007 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,080 curious because that that was a weird move by yes, that's a good 1008 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,520 point. Leave. 1009 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,960 It anyway. Leave it in the comments. 1010 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,240 OK, people we haven't talked about and we should give love to 1011 00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:04,040 as men. And yeah, let's talk about them, 1012 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:10,120 because we haven't. I Well, first of all, I'm very 1013 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,320 surprised that men dumped Park in the very first episodes. 1014 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,280 Same. I. 1015 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,160 Thought that was going to be like, we're going to drag that 1016 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:17,840 out. Yeah, I thought like. 1017 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:23,640 Maybe now we'd be getting into her, getting over him and well, 1018 00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,200 like I would say episode 5 maybe. 1019 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,080 Four or five see, and that's the. 1020 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:34,400 Thing if this, if the focus was the romance, I think that is the 1021 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,080 beat by beat that would have happened. 1022 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,040 But it's not. It's not the romance. 1023 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,720 It's not it's not about Prynne, it's not about proud men falling 1024 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:44,160 in love. It's not about that. 1025 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,600 That's not their plot. Line no the C. 1026 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,160 Plot. In my opinion, is social 1027 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,600 commentary. Like they're the social 1028 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,840 commentary couple. Like, 'cause like here's here's 1029 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,040 my breakdown. So a plot, for better or worse, 1030 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,760 is perfect. For better or worse. 1031 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:05,360 OK, and they're like the friends to lovers to exes to lovers. 1032 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,520 Probe. Kind of. 1033 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,920 Kind of. But really their. 1034 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,520 Their whole arc is basically about A, it's like a hot and 1035 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,200 cold relationship where like the people, they don't communicate 1036 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,000 and therefore don't really know each other. 1037 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:20,640 And so like that's what does that relationship look like and 1038 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,200 how is it toxic and how is it not? 1039 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:26,240 That's their, that's the A plot. Then the B plot is the reverse 1040 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,560 slow burn basically where it starts off with friends with 1041 00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,320 benefits and then just they're friends. 1042 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,480 And then I think it's going. To they're as they become 1043 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,560 friends, they're going to get to know each other and then it gets 1044 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,040 romantic for real because one of because of all the shit going on 1045 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:46,360 with them and then with Goria and Prim was like the A to B. 1046 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,960 Plot. Where like she was heartbroken 1047 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,080 by that one and that's affecting the B plot. 1048 00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,320 And that's kind of that. It doesn't really affect the A 1049 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,400 plot because Prim doesn't give me it has the B plot. 1050 00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,280 It did not affect. It other than making baby 1051 00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880 jealous and do crazy shit, it doesn't affect the A plot, just 1052 00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,840 the B plot which again tells you everything you need to know. 1053 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,800 Then the C plot is social commentary, honestly, because 1054 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,640 it's the compact plot line. Mainly. 1055 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,760 And I what's interesting about the compact plot line here is 1056 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,280 it's not your typical compact plot line because it's not it. 1057 00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,680 I mean, it does it. If you watch Heart Stopper, 1058 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,680 Imogene and men would be great friends. 1059 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,760 They need to hang out, right? You need to hang out those the 1060 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,920 compat plot line. It is where it's like Min didn't 1061 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,560 know what was going on and then this like kind of happened and 1062 00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:36,920 she's navigating unlearning the compat stuff, right? 1063 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,040 That made her stick it out with park for so long, even though it 1064 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,400 was clearly terrible and like we're going clearly wasn't. 1065 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,640 It was toxic, right? And so she stayed in that 1066 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,880 relationship for a long time. And then she meets Prow and then 1067 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,360 realizes, oh, this is an actual good person who actually cares 1068 00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,600 about me, but she's a woman. And so I have to unlearn the 1069 00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,160 compact stuff, which she keeps saying give me time. 1070 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:01,960 Like I she's going to unlearn her whole life. 1071 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,200 Like, that's not, you know, that takes time. 1072 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,240 But then now we're getting into the part to be like, OK, there's 1073 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:11,080 also the family shit going on. That's affecting her. 1074 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:12,840 And that's where compact comes from. 1075 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,840 It's like learned and it's learned through that's what 1076 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,800 she's like. Oh, you gotta think about 1077 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,640 society. Society meaning her family, like 1078 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,360 her family is like really like will disown you like, you know. 1079 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,320 That's a lot to deal with and then? 1080 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,240 You have little Prow who's like the baby gay who's very 1081 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:29,920 confident, who's gone through shit herself. 1082 00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,360 And it's like, I don't want to be in a closeted relationship, 1083 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,200 but I'm going to go after the straight girl. 1084 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,600 And it's like, what are you doing? 1085 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,880 You know what? I mean, it's the definition. 1086 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,800 Of closeted relationship correct and it's so it's like. 1087 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:47,120 It's also like that's a very like queer specific kind of like 1088 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,440 relationship dynamic too, where you like that's it. 1089 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,320 Like Prowl spotline is a very like something only happens to 1090 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,520 queer people, you know? So like, that's why I say where 1091 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,960 they're the social commentary. Plot. 1092 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,600 Which is a lot to put on the C plot, that's true. 1093 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,960 You know what I mean? That's a pretty heavy C plot if 1094 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,840 you think about it, yeah. And also, like, they seem less 1095 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,920 connected to the others, like they're kind of like out in 1096 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,080 their own world. I feel like 'cause like. 1097 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,640 When you think of Prim and Bambi, they're. 1098 00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,680 Connected. To Gloria and Shasha, they are 1099 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,320 proud and men are just. They're connected by work and 1100 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,840 that's it. So yeah. 1101 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,560 That's true. They that's true. 1102 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,480 They meet. Through work and I guess the 1103 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,400 blossom which is. Work related. 1104 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:41,440 Ish because photography, but not really socially they kind of 1105 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,000 hang out that way, but I everybody's kind of connected by 1106 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,320 work, though. Is is the thing like prim and 1107 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:52,120 baby like prim Bambi. Oh my God, I need like a murder 1108 00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,920 board. Prim Bambi or like, like they 1109 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,920 know Prim through college and then like men and Prim are 1110 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,800 friends outside and they started the business together. 1111 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,080 But like, are they friends? Their friendship is also fucking 1112 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,640 weird. If you look at their friendship, 1113 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,960 it is fucking weird. It's not a it's a hot and cold 1114 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,600 friendship. Yeah. 1115 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,000 You're looking at me like that. But like, OK, like here's OK, 1116 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,400 another critique of the show. I'm just going to unless there's 1117 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,600 anything else to say about that. Speaking of prim and men, I want 1118 00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,920 to talk about some shit going on with men. 1119 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:29,760 OK, Because some of the critique from the show is like the 1120 00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,440 writing around men. And how it's. 1121 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,880 Biphobic. So I want to see what? 1122 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,840 You think, do you think there's biphobia happening in her plot 1123 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,560 line and stuff with her? Offhand, no. 1124 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,240 I don't. See anything I would say? 1125 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,320 Yes, there is biphobia happening. 1126 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,400 OK, so but like. On the character's part or on 1127 00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,320 the like the production's part? In the I'm. 1128 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,960 Talking about in the show, I'm not talking about intentional 1129 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,040 nefarious. I'm like is there biphobia 1130 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,640 happening in men's plot line like in the show? 1131 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,640 I cuz I would say. Yes, well, she just hates the. 1132 00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,720 Fact that she likes girls at all. 1133 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,360 So like. Who's she? 1134 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,080 Oh. No, no, no, I don't mean 1135 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,400 internalized biphobia. Oh, OK, and has that. 1136 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:25,200 I'll explain what I mean and where this comes from. 1137 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,880 So it comes from Prim and men's friendship. 1138 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,680 Actually that's where the biphobia is coming from. 1139 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,640 So Prim does these off and it happens more than once with all 1140 00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,440 these offhanded comments about men switching teams. 1141 00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,600 And then Prim at one point is like, you're the type of girl 1142 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,880 who just like dabbles in lesbianism to break break 1143 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,840 women's hearts. She basically says something 1144 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,560 like that to men's face. And people are like, wow, a man 1145 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,360 wrote this. This is some biphobic shit. 1146 00:56:56,280 --> 00:57:00,040 And it is biphobic because biphobia happens in queer 1147 00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,320 spaces. We act like it doesn't, but it 1148 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,880 definitely does. It's a huge issue. 1149 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,400 And like they, they brought it up right here and I'm like, yes, 1150 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,160 now this happens. It's fucked up, but it happens. 1151 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,960 A man didn't write this like a lesbian wrote this. 1152 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,760 Like this happens. Like this definitely happens. 1153 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,480 Oh yes. In In Queer women. 1154 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,960 Spaces specifically, yeah, it's fucked up. 1155 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,080 But like, that's what I mean. Like that men's the social 1156 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,880 commentary, a big social commentary character. 1157 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,200 And it's in her friendships too. And so, like, I think like, 1158 00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,000 that's making it harder for men too, to, like, navigate this 1159 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,400 shit because, yeah, she is surrounded by queer women, but 1160 00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:42,080 like, she faces discrimination offhandedly from her queer 1161 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:45,600 friends and that happens. Like, it's fucked up and that 1162 00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:46,760 happens. OK, That's that's. 1163 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:47,560 Fair. I like that they. 1164 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:52,040 Brought that up with me. That's but but her and she 1165 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,560 didn't she didn't have like a back and forth with prim about 1166 00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,080 it. She just kind of took it, which 1167 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:59,160 like if it's coming out of nowhere, like sometimes like you 1168 00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,560 freeze up and don't also it's coming from her friend. 1169 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,520 Like it's very complicated in that situation to like comment 1170 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,920 print would like be like, what the fuck did you just say to me? 1171 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,080 Like, you know, So I hope at some point they have a 1172 00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,240 conversation because I'm tired of Prim getting away with saying 1173 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,840 shit like this to her, like with no repercussions. 1174 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,600 But like this happens. That's very fair. 1175 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,960 Because like it's always about like, oh, you're sapphic now 1176 00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,320 you're you're a lesbian. Like even with parks. 1177 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,360 I mean it makes sense with park but being like but it's very 1178 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:35,600 similar. To what Prim is doing. 1179 00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,320 That's the that's the comparison. 1180 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,560 Yeah, it no, it it is like he's doing the same thing. 1181 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,160 They're trying to put her in a box. 1182 00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,040 Versus if you go back a few episodes when again, Prow and 1183 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,720 men actually have conversations when they're talking and Prow is 1184 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,880 like, well, like bisexuality exists. 1185 00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,360 And then Min thinks about it. It's like the what is it the 1186 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,600 Delphine from Orphan Black moment where she's like, wow, I 1187 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,400 never, I know this exists. I never thought about it for 1188 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,800 myself, but yeah, that is a thing. 1189 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,480 And like then Min reflects and she's like, yeah, you know, I 1190 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,280 have had like attraction to women before and I just never 1191 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,560 thought anything of it. And like, maybe that's me. 1192 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,560 Like maybe I'm just on on the spectrum. 1193 00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,680 I'm not like versus she talks to proud and proud. 1194 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,400 I was like, yeah, no, a guy once was like, date me. 1195 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,720 And I said fuck no. And like, that was it for me. 1196 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,040 I knew women only for me. But like, maybe you're 1197 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,200 different. They're the only ones who've had 1198 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,440 that conversation. OK Meanwhile, everybody else is 1199 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,920 like, oh, you're a lesbian now. And it's like, yeah. 1200 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:31,680 Why are you? Trying to put. 1201 00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,480 Like put her in a binary like, yeah, it's always, you know 1202 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,080 what? I mean like. 1203 00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,240 Right. So like it's. 1204 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,720 Also like showing that there there is discrimination even in 1205 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,200 queer spaces. Like yeah, it exists. 1206 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,960 It definitely does. Like we see when Park does it, 1207 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,040 you're like, oh, that's evil. Like he's just being 1208 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,280 manipulative. He's being cruel to her. 1209 00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:59,760 But when we see like Prims is being hidden under the guise of 1210 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,960 being friends and just being friends joking. 1211 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,680 Right, right. But it it doesn't make it just. 1212 01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:09,440 Both are her fault. Two men. 1213 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,920 Yeah, I agreed. Right. 1214 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,680 So. Like the? 1215 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:16,160 Critique of like a queer person would never write this. 1216 01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,280 That's flat out false. This happens in real life in 1217 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,440 core spaces like. And The thing is, we're not used 1218 01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,840 to seeing it on TV coming from queer people because. 1219 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,160 We don't ever talk about. Our own fucking problems. 1220 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,920 We like to pretend we're the morality, like we're the virtue 1221 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,040 of a virtue of morality in our own stories. 1222 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,080 But like, we suck too sometimes. Like, you know, like, yeah. 1223 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,320 So kudos to girls for like actually bringing that up 1224 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,480 because that is an actual fucking problem It. 1225 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,440 Really is, but. Prim has suffered no 1226 01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,640 consequences for that, and that's the part I don't like. 1227 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,440 But like, Prim isn't suffering. It's complicated. 1228 01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:53,920 No, exactly. Right. 1229 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,040 That's that's what I don't like. But like, you know, so people 1230 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,360 get away with everything, you know? 1231 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,040 Yeah, that's I was frustrated. By that's how people get into 1232 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:00,440 power. Let's. 1233 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:02,600 See. Exactly. 1234 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,240 Oh my gosh, yeah. You knew where I was. 1235 01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,320 Going I hate that you went there. 1236 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,560 But you are you are fine, correct? 1237 01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,160 Anyway. But yeah, I like that they gave 1238 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,200 a lot of depth to men. They didn't just do the thing 1239 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,760 where like. You know this is. 1240 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,000 Actually an ensemble show where you don't just have side bitches 1241 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,440 who are there to prop up the main characters or like side 1242 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:27,800 bitches. They get like 3 minutes of 1243 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,600 screen time and like have no personality. 1244 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,760 Like Made in Prow actually have shit going on I would imagine. 1245 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,600 I think that Prow is probably the character that gets like the 1246 01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:40,600 least but like she's like the second in the C plot. 1247 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,120 So like it makes sense time wise that they're going to focus on 1248 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,320 her the least. But like she still has a back 1249 01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,400 story. We've seen her interact with 1250 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,400 roommates, like she's moving up in her career. 1251 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,040 Like things are happening with this character. 1252 01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:55,040 It's not that she's like stagnant or like her like mostly 1253 01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,840 she's in scenes with men, but like. 1254 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,440 I would like more. Proud scenes, but like I under I 1255 01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:03,080 understand why she gets the least because she's like the 1256 01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,720 second in the sea plot. So I I get it, I do. 1257 01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,760 And to your point, she's the most on the periphery out of 1258 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,480 everybody. Yeah, because she's the. 1259 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,760 Least connected to everyone. She's the one who keeps getting 1260 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,520 brought in last minute to these shoots. 1261 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,040 Yeah. And like, yeah, she doesn't have 1262 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,240 history. With anybody either or like any 1263 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,280 other connection outside of work to your point, so it seems. 1264 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,280 Like they're going like classic. Story of. 1265 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:36,360 Out lesbian dating a closeted queer individual because like 1266 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,400 she's like no it's fine I'll. Like we don't have to. 1267 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,640 Tell anyone until you're ready in this, but like eventually 1268 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:45,120 she's going to get tired of that. 1269 01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:50,480 And that's what we see in the preview for Episode 8, because. 1270 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,000 Like eventually. It's gonna be exhausting. 1271 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,680 It's gonna be exhausting her not being able to be herself when 1272 01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:01,760 she is fully herself 24/7. Like she that she's a fiery 1273 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,240 thing. She sticks up for what she 1274 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,520 believes in, she fights for. She will fight anyone. 1275 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:17,760 She's ready for fighting. She is like seeing her not 1276 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:22,400 fight, but like verbally fight the police officer being like, 1277 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,160 you're doing nothing. Oh my God, that. 1278 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:29,880 Scene yeah, that was and like. You see the dynamic, not dynamic 1279 01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,160 but like the differences in the reactions of the two of them. 1280 01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:39,840 Prowl is more fiery and like direct and emotional about it 1281 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:44,280 while Men is just reserved and just going over all like the 1282 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:52,440 facts and being like. Kind of like I don't know if 1283 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:56,360 undercut. Or backhand like her comments 1284 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,080 like she. Yeah, so. 1285 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,280 The The thing is with that scene is that also other great social 1286 01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,600 commentary is like violence against women and how it gets 1287 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,120 dismissed. 'Cause they're like, oh. 1288 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,040 You knew him so you guys could just talk this out. 1289 01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:14,560 Why are you reporting this to us? 1290 01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,600 And then Prow being like, why do we have to wait for something 1291 01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,680 horrible to happen before you fucking do something? 1292 01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,200 So like this isn't a real problem with women in domestic 1293 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,120 violence. So before they even get into 1294 01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:27,960 that. Part the way the police officer 1295 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,840 asked what's your relationship? You don't even know that. 1296 01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,560 Right, 'cause he can. Be like, oh, you're just 1297 01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:35,720 jealous. This is nonsense. 1298 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:36,840 That's what they're they want to do. 1299 01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,680 They want to dismiss this and not do anything 'cause that's 1300 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,960 what happens in real life. Women's problems get dismissed 1301 01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,400 and that's what they're showing and I like that. 1302 01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,960 But to your back to your point, the reason you get Prow who's 1303 01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,720 very fiery and like off the rail, not off the rails, but 1304 01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,880 like more aggressive about it versus men who's taking it in 1305 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,240 and realizing this man is not going to do anything is because 1306 01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,600 their ages. Prow is young and she's 1307 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,760 optimistic and she's more like idyllic about what should happen 1308 01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:09,400 about this, whereas men's been around the block and she's like, 1309 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:10,520 no, he's not going to do anything. 1310 01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,240 This is a waste of ever raised time basically. 1311 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,200 And that's why she gets up. And she's like, women have to 1312 01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,760 take care of ourselves because you're not going to fucking do 1313 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:18,800 anything. Just write the report because 1314 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,080 you weren't going to help me to begin with. 1315 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,880 And then she just laughed. But like the thing that she got 1316 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,960 out of that conversation was like Prow cared about, was so 1317 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,720 worried about her and cared about her so much in that scene 1318 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,520 that that made her upset and like she was willing to like 1319 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,120 fucking find a police officer for her. 1320 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,720 Like that's what men actually got out of that. 1321 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:36,320 Like the police officers not going to do anything. 1322 01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:39,560 I think men knew that was humor and proud and was also kind of 1323 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,080 like probably emotionally dazed and stuff from like. 1324 01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,760 Her bitch ass ex-boyfriend. Yeah, I mean. 1325 01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,640 Talk about someone who's actually. 1326 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:54,160 Like for her? That's not the right words. 1327 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:59,400 But like, on her side, fighting for her rather than supporting 1328 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:00,240 her. Yeah, Supporting. 1329 01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,760 Thank you. Rather than Park, who I only 1330 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,880 assume because we don't get many scenes with the two of them. 1331 01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,520 Thank you. Yes. 1332 01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,120 Yeah, don't really want. Those we get the picture who 1333 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,640 probably just took what he wanted from her and just gave 1334 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,000 nothing in return controlling her. 1335 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,320 Yeah, she was a possession to him. 1336 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,080 He controlled what she wore when she came home, like. 1337 01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:25,400 Right. And so like. 1338 01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:29,880 To be fair to me, so The thing is like proud love. 1339 01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,640 You but. Like, you knew this about men. 1340 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:33,880 Like you knew men was in a bad relationship. 1341 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:36,720 OK. So like, people need to heal 1342 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,680 from that. And you've seen her cry over it 1343 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,920 where she's like, it's not that I'm sad about him. 1344 01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,120 It's just like I'm grieving this relationship that had its good 1345 01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:47,480 moments too. And like, to men's credit, men 1346 01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:51,960 gets over that like min processes the grief of the 1347 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,560 really goes through the stages of grieving for her relationship 1348 01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:55,960 and the happy moments that existed. 1349 01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,520 But she moves on. Prim doesn't move on from the 1350 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,880 happy moments from her toxic relationship and she just jumps 1351 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:04,800 right back into it without fixing anything. 1352 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,720 So there's a difference there that's comparable. 1353 01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:09,720 But I love the thing like Prow sees this. 1354 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,880 I'm sorry, no, it's. I just love that they did show 1355 01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,440 that she was upset and like grieving those good moments 1356 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,200 because just because someone is abusive to you. 1357 01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,280 There are. Good moments or moments that you 1358 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,120 thought were good. You you convinced. 1359 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,600 Yeah. Convinced yourself that we're 1360 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,120 good. That made you stay there. 1361 01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,200 There was a reason. Yeah. 1362 01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,800 So I do like that aspect. Yeah, and that's that's the 1363 01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:39,880 other thing, like Girl Rules was marketed as a this is about 1364 01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,280 toxic relationships and it is. And it and like, remember like 1365 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:47,120 when Prow and men were in the gallery and Prow has that and 1366 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,960 they're alone. And she's like, tell me about 1367 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,760 this picture, like the the concept. 1368 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,800 And basically Prow was like with the backs and she was like, 1369 01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,440 well, this woman isn't, it wasn't a toxic relationship. 1370 01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,880 And you can see the physical scars on her back. 1371 01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,040 And then Min was like, well, why did she stay in the 1372 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,720 relationship? And proud was like she felt she 1373 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,520 was scared that nobody else would love her. 1374 01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:10,960 That's basically what Min was going to, right? 1375 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:12,960 That's why we're having the conversation with Min to make 1376 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,920 the so you could make the comparison without Min saying it 1377 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,240 because she obviously is not going to. 1378 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,399 So yeah. So it goes to show you that like 1379 01:08:20,399 --> 01:08:23,560 even in like even in toxic relationship, like why do people 1380 01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,479 stay in them? People stay in them. 1381 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,479 Like why, like willingly and there's all a host of reasons 1382 01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,479 like Prim and Bambi, like they, they have their they're the 1383 01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,640 they're look at them, they're why do they stay together? 1384 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,160 They have their happy moments and Prim clings to them. 1385 01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,240 So does Bambi. Bambi's like I'm upset about my 1386 01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,560 dead ex-girlfriend. I need happiness. 1387 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,040 Prim, you make me happy, make me happy right now. 1388 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:47,960 Like that's their, that's what's going on with those two, you 1389 01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:53,279 know? And so but Min gets past that, 1390 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,279 OK, and then she has to deal with the fact that she's having 1391 01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,680 a sexuality crisis on top of that, OK. 1392 01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,880 So she has to navigate that and not just like the fact that 1393 01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:07,120 she's having new feelings that are different, but this could 1394 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:10,200 change her whole life particularly. 1395 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,520 With her family stuff. And so she keeps saying like I 1396 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,800 need time, like I need time 'cause like this is a lot, like 1397 01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,800 I need time and proud I think is like, OK. 1398 01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:19,680 But. Also is this. 1399 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,479 Going to take for her. It's like girl, like you can't 1400 01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,000 put it like a time stamp on that. 1401 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,600 Like she doesn't know like it is this is the first time she's 1402 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:30,120 dealing with all this shit like, you know, so like you can't 1403 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,760 really get mad at men. But the The thing is like it's, 1404 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,640 it is 100% OK for proud to be like, listen, I do not want to 1405 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,920 be in a closeted relationship. I'm going to walk away. 1406 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,479 From like Bambi, where Bambi's like, now is not the time for us 1407 01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,080 to be involved romantically. Maybe like, let's take a step, 1408 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:47,880 maybe let's take a step having let men deal with men's stuff. 1409 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,200 I yeah, I think and maybe we'll pick this. 1410 01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:58,160 Up later or not like. Yeah, I think that. 1411 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,120 Prow has been trying to convince herself that she's OK with this 1412 01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,880 relationship and she's. Not right because 100% she 1413 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,800 always. Was trying to cross the line. 1414 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,840 First of all, she always continues to like try and like 1415 01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,000 out their relationship. But like. 1416 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,320 Girl. I was mad at her when they were 1417 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,600 men's, like we are at work, yeah. 1418 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,760 And then Proud gets mad. Because like, and I think that 1419 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,920 The thing is though, it's really just a prow is escalating this 1420 01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:29,680 because she's frustrated and won't say it because she doesn't 1421 01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:32,080 want to. Lose men. 1422 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,880 But she's unhappy and that's why she's escalating it into like 1423 01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,960 scenarios where you're like you were at work and man's like 1424 01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:39,680 we're at work. Like man, man is saying is 1425 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:40,920 rational. She's like we're at work. 1426 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,720 This is not AI. Don't I'm not into you thing and 1427 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,960 I'm ashamed of you. This we are at work like. 1428 01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,600 And probably. But there's lesbians everywhere. 1429 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,200 It's like we're at work. Like, that doesn't matter. 1430 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:54,040 Like. But I think that's just showing 1431 01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,400 that she's getting desperate because she's unhappy. 1432 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:57,680 Yeah. And. 1433 01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,520 Which is understandable. But also like it's toxic. 1434 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,760 Tries to set a. Boundary and like if the 1435 01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,040 boundary is not compatible what you guys want like? 1436 01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:09,760 Yeah. And I think maybe they're. 1437 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,640 She's scared of that. And that's like the scared of 1438 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:12,880 the truth of that, which is fair. 1439 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:16,040 Like, it's a very fair human way to go about this and like, make 1440 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,560 it messy because like what you want and with the reality, 1441 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,200 you're at odds right now and I think proud. 1442 01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,000 Understands that, but. Doesn't want to acknowledge it. 1443 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,160 She's in denial about it. I think a bit. 1444 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,080 Yeah, yeah. And so. 1445 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,160 In the she's going to have to accept it at some point and then 1446 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:38,600 like I think they're going to have to go their separate ways 1447 01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:43,280 while Min figures her shit out, which is OK, I think personally 1448 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:46,440 I think. Proud needed to back. 1449 01:11:46,440 --> 01:11:48,720 Off. From like the. 1450 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,360 Beginning because she was coming on very strong. 1451 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,760 And forcing. Men into a relationship in a way 1452 01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:02,560 and. When like and for. 1453 01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,640 Like again, I think she was just fully trying to convince herself 1454 01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,680 she was OK with the closeted relationship when I don't think 1455 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,920 she ever was. She's a very this is. 1456 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,320 What you get? Person and like fully like, 1457 01:12:15,480 --> 01:12:18,040 lives her life open. Yeah. 1458 01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:19,800 Right. It never. 1459 01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,840 Seemed like she was going to be happy in the closeted 1460 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,840 relationship so I was like but. Maybe we should. 1461 01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,840 Let men process what she's feeling first. 1462 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:30,840 Correct. Because. 1463 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,040 Processing. That in a relationship is going 1464 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,520 to be a lot harder than coming to terms with her sexuality 1465 01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,520 first A. 100% and. That's like it. 1466 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,040 But this is something that happens again, with like 1467 01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,480 bisexual women and like, like not experimenting with like 1468 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:52,120 exploring this for the first time and even queer, like queer 1469 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,640 people who like kind of get into relationships early while 1470 01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,000 they're figuring their shit out. Like it's like with Bambi and 1471 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,480 Prim, the Bambi and Prim thing, what Bambi said, she's like, I 1472 01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:03,160 had a friend who understood me and then I decided to date that 1473 01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,040 friend. And then when I lost the 1474 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:07,560 relationship, I lost the friend. So I feel like that's also 1475 01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,520 happening with Min and Proud because again, who does Min talk 1476 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,240 to about this stuff? She talks to Proud, not Prim, 1477 01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,640 because Prim's an asshole to her. 1478 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,160 I'm like, what is their friendship really? 1479 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,360 Because like I feel like Min can't really talk to Prim. 1480 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,320 I don't feel like Prim can talk to anybody. 1481 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,560 It's not even just Bambi. Like she doesn't confide in 1482 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,520 friends either in a real way. And like it's always about. 1483 01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:31,920 Her, but in a way that she wants people to know her. 100% yeah, 1484 01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,400 she's. More concerned with how she's 1485 01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,040 presents herself to people than like what is going on. 1486 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,000 Like because like their relationship was a lot of like 1487 01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,360 teasing each other and stuff, but like it's never like. 1488 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:43,800 Real they don't. Really, how do they get a 1489 01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,800 business up? And running. 1490 01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,200 That's what I don't. I don't understand. 1491 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,400 I don't know, but I don't know. I don't know. 1492 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,200 Like again, we don't get a ton of scenes, but I just get in the 1493 01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,680 vibe that like. They don't also. 1494 01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,480 Really talk about things and I, I don't know if that's coming 1495 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:04,440 from men or prim or both maybe. But like the point I mean I'm 1496 01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:08,520 making though, is that like in when proud and men break up? 1497 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:09,960 Because I feel like that's the head, Yeah. 1498 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,840 In their future they need space from each other kind of thing. 1499 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:17,280 Who the hell men going to? Talk to. 1500 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,320 I mean, Prow also doesn't seem to have a support system. 1501 01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:23,000 She's a sister but like. What's their support? 1502 01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,400 Systems look like because they don't really super seem to have 1503 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:27,360 what like Prow had a roommate, but then the roommate was like, 1504 01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,160 I'm in love with you and probably this is weird. 1505 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:30,480 I don't I'm not in love with you. 1506 01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,720 And we see her in the next preview. 1507 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,080 So I don't know how what the hell is going to happen here 1508 01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:37,600 with like, who do they turn to when they can't? 1509 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,360 Talk to each other. About this stuff like now what? 1510 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,240 Because you lose the friendships in jeopardy also, which makes it 1511 01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:47,880 more complicated. That's a great question. 1512 01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,480 And like. Yeah. 1513 01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:53,440 And I think that like that. That complication? 1514 01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,680 Because again, a plot, C plot, both have that in common. 1515 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,200 I think in the B plot, Goria was afraid of that. 1516 01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,200 She was afraid of like an attachment. 1517 01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,200 And that's why she was like, we're we're nothing to each 1518 01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,000 other. This is sex and this is nothing 1519 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:06,440 else. And then over time. 1520 01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,920 Sasha's the one who's like. Yeah, but the friends part, and 1521 01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:12,640 I think Gory is afraid of the friends part because when you 1522 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,200 lose the romantic partner who's also your friend, you lose the 1523 01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,000 friend. And I think that Gory is afraid 1524 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:19,280 of, like losing people in a way. And now she makes sense. 1525 01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:20,840 If we're attached, then I have some. 1526 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:22,400 We have. I have something to lose now, 1527 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,400 you know? Yeah. 1528 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,920 So she's. Trying not to get close to 1529 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,840 anyone so she can't actually lose. 1530 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,400 Correct. Again, she can't lose people. 1531 01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,200 Yeah, and it's like, despite her best efforts, Sasha is so 1532 01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,160 fucking persistent. It's happening against her. 1533 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:41,040 Will. And boy, did Sasha. 1534 01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:45,440 Try She's tried so hard to be her friend, like doing the 1535 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:50,000 shopping with her. Oh my God, that was hilarious. 1536 01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,320 But like. As I mean, they bond during 1537 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,000 their scenes, like they actually have bonding moments where they 1538 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,400 get to know each other. And that was another moment in 1539 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,720 that scene with the shopping where they're going through the 1540 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,680 clothes. Where? 1541 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,440 Gloria kind of had that moment where she's like, I think this 1542 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:11,120 is more than like. Her trying to sleep. 1543 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,640 With me kind of thing because like what the the lady comes by 1544 01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,720 and she's like, those are my clothes now And Gory's like what 1545 01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,280 the fuck? I was, I was talking to her for 1546 01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:19,520 three seconds. Those are mine. 1547 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,160 Sasha jumps in and she's like, I'll buy them from you. 1548 01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,880 And then Gory is like, what the fuck did you just do? 1549 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,880 And then Tasha says the line, if you want it, it's yours. 1550 01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,600 And then goes back to look at their clothes. 1551 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,440 And like Gloria stares at her for a while and it's kind of 1552 01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,600 like, cuz again, like she doesn't really have anybody in 1553 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:37,000 her corner that stands up for her. 1554 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,360 My point about her and Prim is like, what the hell was their 1555 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:42,320 relationship all this time? Because like, Prim doesn't seem 1556 01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,040 to actually like, support Gloria. 1557 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,120 Like, like, do they have conversations that she check in 1558 01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:49,000 on Gloria? Prim doesn't give. 1559 01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,640 I don't think Prim's that friend. 1560 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,000 No, You know what I mean? We Gloria. 1561 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,240 Reaching out to her. In each time hoping. 1562 01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,000 That there would be an opportunity for her to be with 1563 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:00,080 her. Right. 1564 01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:01,600 And I think. That their conversations are 1565 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,680 about work or prim. I don't think they're about 1566 01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,720 Gloria, You know what I mean? So I don't feel like Gloria's 1567 01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:10,400 getting support that she needs out of that relationship. 1568 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:12,920 Like like to the point where like Sasha's like, I'm going to 1569 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,160 fight for you. That's basically what Sasha's 1570 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:15,360 always saying. She's like, I'm just going to 1571 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:17,040 fight for you. We're not that you want it. 1572 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:17,800 It's yours. You're my friend. 1573 01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,920 There you go. Like I think that like they, 1574 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,000 they are actually forming a friendship where they like look 1575 01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,840 out for each other because I don't, I don't think Gloria had 1576 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:26,960 that. And I don't really super see 1577 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,960 that. In her other. 1578 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,200 Relationships that she has with, like, platonic or not like. 1579 01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:36,400 So I think that that's a unique thing that's happening in the B 1580 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,440 plot. Is, is the way they look out for 1581 01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:39,200 each other. Like, really. 1582 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:40,760 Yeah, like. Not. 1583 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,880 Expecting anything out of it, there's like, I was just looking 1584 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,840 out for you kind of like. Part of it, it's like that's. 1585 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,680 The right thing to do, but also I care about you. 1586 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,680 Right, the actions. Are saying that. 1587 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,360 And there's like, not and. Like when Sasha did that, there 1588 01:17:54,360 --> 01:17:56,040 really wasn't an expectation attached to that. 1589 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,440 She's like, my friend wants this. 1590 01:17:58,480 --> 01:17:59,480 What do you? Want for? 1591 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:01,960 It because like when the lady agrees she's like I will only 1592 01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,880 take what she wants, what my friend wants, give her what she 1593 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:08,600 wants, you're my friend you will get what you want kind of thing. 1594 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,800 I really do love her. I love them so. 1595 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,240 Much I love their relationship. It's so fun because it's like 1596 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,840 it's ass backwards. But like they're that with them, 1597 01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,120 you actually get to see a full relationship forming. 1598 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,080 Like yeah, kind of thing. It's just backwards the way it 1599 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:26,680 goes versus like Bambi and Premier thrown into a 1600 01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,800 relationship that where they broke up their back together and 1601 01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,320 nothing's really changed and they still have to navigate 1602 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,640 this. And then in the C pot, like they 1603 01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,920 kind of fall in love real fast, but then like they their issue 1604 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,280 is their relationship because it's cop head, right? 1605 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,640 So like it's it's interesting storytelling that the B plot is 1606 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:51,320 like the most. I think the. 1607 01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,320 Closest thing to a traditional romantic plot line is like 1608 01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,080 theirs, you know what I mean? Where it's usually like they 1609 01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,720 meet, they fall in love, blah blah, blah blah. 1610 01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,000 It's kind of that, but it's like backwards the way they're doing. 1611 01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,360 It's the enemies to lovers. Thing. 1612 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,400 Yeah, kind of. Again, versus like Prim and 1613 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,600 Bammy have an established relationship that's like trying 1614 01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,040 to put itself back together, which is not a typical, you 1615 01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,040 don't typically come into a story that's doing that, you 1616 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,800 know, and then the compat plot line kind of thing. 1617 01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,160 So they're they have a very interesting, the B plot is very, 1618 01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,880 very interesting. 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You won't be. 1652 01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,240 You won't regret it. And that's free. 1653 01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:31,280 It's. Completely free. 1654 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:32,880 Just do it. Just. 1655 01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,960 Do it do. It only if you want to. 1656 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,320 Yeah, consent is. Important You have to consent to 1657 01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,120 doing this. We're not forcing you. 1658 01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:49,440 No, OK, I'm done. OK, some something else I want 1659 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:53,120 to say about the show is that film is acting her ass off as 1660 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:56,920 Bambi and must be having a great time playing Bambi. 1661 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,800 I imagine she's probably a super fun character to play 'cause 1662 01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:01,320 she's so unhealthy. Like literally you could. 1663 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,360 Just do like the most ridiculous things and just be like Bambi. 1664 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:10,680 I mean OK, that cake scene is iconic the way that she was 1665 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:14,160 hilarious. Licks the icing and then gives 1666 01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:15,880 them the middle finger. Well, glorious. 1667 01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:16,960 The finger. Finger. 1668 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,080 And apparently. That's a film thing. 1669 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,520 Like that was all her. That's what I heard at least. 1670 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,840 And like girl that. Was hilarious added. 1671 01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:34,040 So much to it, that was amazing. That was fucking hilarious. 1672 01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,600 No like it has like. That's a character I would 1673 01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:41,680 imagine that would be very fun to play as an actor just 'cause 1674 01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,200 you get she gets to do so much as Bambi. 1675 01:22:44,200 --> 01:22:46,600 Like she's not reserved. She gets to just be off the 1676 01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,520 walls. She gets to come in and. 1677 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,720 Ruin on her mother's fashion show which something has to be 1678 01:22:51,720 --> 01:22:53,200 going on with her and her mother. 1679 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,000 Seriously, like her mother's the. 1680 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,960 One who sent her away to school so. 1681 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,920 What was going? On that she got sent away first 1682 01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,640 of all. And like. 1683 01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,520 I mean. I have thoughts, but yeah, would 1684 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,440 you like to share them? Or later I think this all. 1685 01:23:12,440 --> 01:23:17,240 Stems back to the Bammy is not dealing with her trauma shit so 1686 01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:19,600 like. One thing we. 1687 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,560 Don't know about baby is like her dad, like when did he die? 1688 01:23:23,440 --> 01:23:26,680 Like we don't actually know OK. And so we don't know how close 1689 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,400 they were and how that affected Bammy. 1690 01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:34,560 And then Z happens where she breaks up with Prim and then 1691 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,480 starts secretly dating this other person, and then this 1692 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:42,280 person dies. Because of Bambi. 1693 01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,800 In a way, because she was fighting in the car with Bambi 1694 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,840 when there's a car, luckily we didn't see the car accident, but 1695 01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:48,480 there's always a car accident. It's always a car. 1696 01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:50,000 Always. Tiger loves. 1697 01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:53,360 We have to have my. Trama loves it so much we. 1698 01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,360 Must have that. We that must happen. 1699 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:59,000 OK, but like it's indirectly related to Bambi, the actual 1700 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,400 death because she was in the car with her and fighting with her 1701 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:03,720 and like that's when the accident happened. 1702 01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:07,720 So like as Bambi like you can see how she would internalize 1703 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:09,240 that making like, Oh my God, I killed this person. 1704 01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,640 Like potentially she could think that not that she was like, Oh 1705 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,520 my God and drove the car off the road or whatever, but like she 1706 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,920 was involved in the events leading up, which just just like 1707 01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,600 Pluto, she was involved in the events that led to the death of 1708 01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,600 a car accident film. It's typecasted, I guess. 1709 01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:32,320 Anyway, So baby had to have like, internalized something 1710 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,720 very negative, OK, in the relation to that person's death, 1711 01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,760 OK. And then I imagine kind of like 1712 01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,360 went off the rails. Like, you see her substance 1713 01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,200 abuse, the partying as the coping mechanism. 1714 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:48,080 And I feel like that escalated. Like she was clearly doing that 1715 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,280 when she was dating Prim because Prim's like, you were so famous 1716 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:53,680 at our high school, our college bars, that people knew you by 1717 01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:55,240 name. And I had to pull you off the 1718 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,640 tables and like, you know what I mean? 1719 01:24:56,640 --> 01:24:58,520 She's already a party girl. But then I feel like it got 1720 01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,680 worse because she was doing what we saw her do in the series, 1721 01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,280 where she's doing substance abuse and partying. 1722 01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,400 And like, I don't want to go home because I think she doesn't 1723 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,440 want to be sad. She just is trying to fill the 1724 01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,120 void of this trauma with like, artificial happiness. 1725 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,920 And I think her mom got sick of it and was like, what the fuck 1726 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,880 are you doing? Like you're ruining your life, 1727 01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,280 Like. And so I think she got her out 1728 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:20,640 of the environment being like, maybe she needs a new place. 1729 01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:23,040 So she sent her away from Thailand. 1730 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,160 Hoping that would help. And then Bambi just fucked off 1731 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,640 because she never dealt with the trauma. 1732 01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:30,600 I that's I think that's the root of it. 1733 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,400 And the mom, I don't think knows what's really going on with her 1734 01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,720 and it's just seeing her daughter go off the rails. 1735 01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,720 And then when they try to have conversations, what's the 1736 01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:39,720 conversation like? Bambi's like, I won't ring 1737 01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,800 baby's like an asshole about it. And and she's guardian, she 1738 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:43,880 doesn't like. Actually. 1739 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:45,520 Yeah, she. She doesn't. 1740 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:46,640 Exactly. It's a defense mechanism. 1741 01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,200 But she doesn't in good faith have conversations with her mom. 1742 01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,160 She's just like, you just don't want me to ruin your reputation. 1743 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,880 And that's what this is about. And like, she deflects and 1744 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,360 doesn't like Engage. So I think that until she learns 1745 01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,760 to communicate like Prim, we're not going to solve that. 1746 01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:06,800 But like the mom, I think in the last episode where Bambi's 1747 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:09,120 taking the Fiona thing seriously again, why is she taking it 1748 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:10,040 seriously? Because she's happy. 1749 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:13,080 Because she has Prim. The trauma doesn't exist. 1750 01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,480 Now everything's good. It's almost like a manic 1751 01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:18,240 depressive person, right? Or she's on her high, man, the 1752 01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:19,440 happy manic. She's like, oh, this is great. 1753 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:21,120 And then when she gets depressed, it's a whole other 1754 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,640 story, right? So I think the mom sees that 1755 01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,840 she's taking the Fiona thing seriously and she's like, OK, 1756 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,840 but you like, this is great, You did all this, this is good. 1757 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:32,320 But like you have to take it seriously if I'm going to sink 1758 01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:34,440 millions into this. And then baby gets defensive and 1759 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,520 walks away and it's like. Like thing like. 1760 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:39,920 It's getting like, it's like mom's like I see a change in 1761 01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,880 you, but like. Have you really changed? 1762 01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,520 I think that's what that conversation was really about. 1763 01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:47,840 Like, have you really changed or is this like, Yeah, and also 1764 01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:48,680 are. You on the up. 1765 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,800 Because you're on your happy drug like, you know, and for the 1766 01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,960 mom, like. She's seen her grow up and she's 1767 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:57,120 seen this pattern from her daughter over and over. 1768 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:01,920 It's hard to think that like to see her any other way because 1769 01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,600 like history says that it's a cycle. 1770 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,040 Baby, you said it. Right, I like. 1771 01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,880 Going in circles, meaning she does cyclical behavior and so 1772 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,200 like it's to your point, it's very understandable as her 1773 01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:13,960 mother to be like. But have you? 1774 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,200 Changed because I've, I've seen this film before and I know how 1775 01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,080 it ends, like with you and. And you're not. 1776 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,680 And again, baby's not in good faith talking to her. 1777 01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,720 So you're like, you're not showing me that like you are 1778 01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:25,800 serious. Like a fully serious, you know, 1779 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:27,720 Yeah. So. 1780 01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:30,920 I feel like that, you know, I don't know what they will or 1781 01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:32,800 will not resolve by the end of the show. 1782 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,840 This could be an open-ended type of story like, and I'm OK with 1783 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:39,520 that, but I would be very curious to see if they ever have 1784 01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:42,360 a direct conversation. Yeah, like Will. 1785 01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:44,200 Bambi and. Prim ever learn enough about 1786 01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,600 having conversations to like have the resolution with not 1787 01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,680 just their relationship but Bambi and her mother. 1788 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,480 There's another one I would really. 1789 01:27:53,480 --> 01:27:58,120 Like to see more scenes between her and her mom because that has 1790 01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:02,640 been such like it's been in the background, but it's yeah come 1791 01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,840 into play a couple Times Now that I would like to just see 1792 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,560 more of. What's provoking? 1793 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,280 Both of them because there's something like even when they're 1794 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,360 in the same room, like they butt heads. 1795 01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:19,280 Yeah, it's just. There's unspoken shit between 1796 01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,920 them, is the problem. They need to talk like both of 1797 01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,000 them. They need to go to therapy 1798 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,640 together. Yeah, maybe everybody. 1799 01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,840 Needs to be in therapy. And we say this a lot, but I 1800 01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,880 think like if there was a show to do that, I think it would be 1801 01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,840 this show. Could you imagine these 1802 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,640 characters in Group therapy together? 1803 01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,240 I Bambi and. Prim need to be in therapy of 1804 01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:40,360 all the couples they need to be in because they don't know how 1805 01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:42,640 to communicate. They just don't. 1806 01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,400 They don't actually communicate with each other. 1807 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,000 I wonder that is. Their problem? 1808 01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:49,320 I wonder. If there's a chance that Bambi 1809 01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,880 will continue to go to therapy and if the therapist would be 1810 01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:56,040 like, why don't you bring Prim in for one and. 1811 01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:57,880 Bambi. Would be like OK wanting to show 1812 01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,800 her like this happy relationship that she has and then she like 1813 01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:07,880 completely makes opens up all the damn like I would I would 1814 01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:11,080 love to see them love. That cause like that could be 1815 01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:12,440 the. Catalyst of them actually 1816 01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:14,520 getting to the root of their problem communicating. 1817 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:16,480 Right. And then we bring mom in and 1818 01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:19,680 yeah, 'cause that that I think that is the root of all. 1819 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,840 Everything surrounding Bambi is like communication and like her 1820 01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:27,120 trauma not being processed and people not actually knowing. 1821 01:29:27,200 --> 01:29:30,560 Cause like Pram would not know about the trauma if. 1822 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,360 It if she didn't. Go seek it out 'cause like she's 1823 01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,320 like, yeah, yeah, Bambi will tell me when she's ready. 1824 01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,400 But then Prim went and sought it out. 1825 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,760 So again, Prim lies constantly. She's like, yeah, you know, 1826 01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:41,680 Bambi will tell me. No, she goes and finds it. 1827 01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,920 But like, she wouldn't have known about Bambi's not telling 1828 01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:46,640 her. And then Prim doesn't bring it 1829 01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:50,160 up either, 'cause I think Prim in a way is like, I'm going to 1830 01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:53,080 protect Bambi from her horrible past by just making her happy 1831 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:55,480 now and I. Was like, girl that's a. 1832 01:29:55,480 --> 01:30:00,200 Band-Aid Bambi is not OK. Like Bambi is clearly not OK. 1833 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:05,200 Like she's very traumatized and needs help that you can't give. 1834 01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,640 She needs actual therapy and she needs to take it seriously. 1835 01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,320 Like, 'cause she's not OK. That's what I mean. 1836 01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:11,040 I think she's one fight with Prim. 1837 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,040 Like really devastating break. They didn't give a break up like 1838 01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:15,680 Bambi. I'm very concerned Bambi is 1839 01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,600 going to like, I mean, overdose. On drugs, like I'm very you saw 1840 01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,760 how devastated she was that the fight with from the dad thing, 1841 01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:25,800 like she was just I was, I was. Worried it's going to happen 1842 01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:26,920 there. I'm like, oh shit, Bambi's going 1843 01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:28,680 to be in the hospital in the next episode 'cause like, I 1844 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:29,800 think she's going to go off the rails. 1845 01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,920 But like, look, what did she do? What was her response? 1846 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:36,280 She probably did substance abuse, went to the bar, found 1847 01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:37,280 Sasha. Yeah. 1848 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:41,880 She went right back into that. Pattern and like. 1849 01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,200 Tried to sabotage. She was definitely drinking not. 1850 01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:45,800 Substance abuse the relationship. 1851 01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,600 Goes right back to as well by. Kissing. 1852 01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,440 Sasha, which I. Still can't believe? 1853 01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:53,160 Happened, but I'm proud of her for stopping it. 1854 01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:58,680 I can because that that's showing a little bit of growth 1855 01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,240 for her, because Bambi would have just immediately done that, 1856 01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,840 sabotaged everything. But this time she. 1857 01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,440 Actually was like, no, I can't do that. 1858 01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:11,400 Here's here's the thing. About that scene OK here's 1859 01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:15,040 another thing I love about the that scene and why I think this 1860 01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:18,360 show is unique because in because the way you're framing 1861 01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:20,520 it, it's almost like Bambi doesn't want to hurt Prim and 1862 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,920 she she stopped it because of the relationship with prim and. 1863 01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,720 I don't think that's true at. All in any other in any other 1864 01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,760 show, I think that conversation after Bambi stops kissing Sasha 1865 01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:32,960 would be like, I can't have a girlfriend like and I can't do 1866 01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,160 that to her. But that's not what Bambi says. 1867 01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:39,000 Bambi says like maybe she kisses Sasha because she's like, I 1868 01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:41,640 don't want to think right now, which is like valid, right? 1869 01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:43,680 That's why she's doing the drinking. 1870 01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,080 That's why she's doing the partying. 1871 01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,320 That's just her coping mechanism. 1872 01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,920 So the next step in the coping mechanism is like, OK, you seem 1873 01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:52,440 to care about me, so let me distract myself with like you 1874 01:31:52,440 --> 01:31:54,880 like, take. That's what Goria came to see 1875 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:55,920 her. She's like, take my mind off of 1876 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:57,760 this. Do your thing. 1877 01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,400 And so she kisses her and then stops it and is like, you know 1878 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:04,560 what? I don't want. 1879 01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,960 To ruin another friendship by making this romantic, that's 1880 01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:09,920 what she said. She's like, I want somebody who 1881 01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:13,440 gets me and will support me and I don't want to blow that up 1882 01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:17,400 because I think we have that. She made it about herself, not 1883 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,560 the relationship with Prim. And that's why I like the show 1884 01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,920 because it's character focused. It's about that was a scene 1885 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,600 about Bambi and Sasha as individuals and that was her 1886 01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,720 motivation. Her motivation is I need this 1887 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:30,480 for like I need a friend. That's why I'm not doing this. 1888 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:31,760 I'm not doing this because of my relationship. 1889 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:32,880 I'm doing this because I need a friend. 1890 01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:36,280 And I love that because that's so real like that that she's 1891 01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,120 like, this is a moment about me. I'm hurting and this is what I 1892 01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,480 need. It's and like Prim threw me, 1893 01:32:41,480 --> 01:32:44,240 shoved me. This also like Prim doesn't 1894 01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:47,960 really like apologize for what she did the other person who 1895 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,640 apologized. Was Bambi and I was surprised 1896 01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:58,760 when she said I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah. 1897 01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:00,640 So. And then, like, there's a whole 1898 01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:03,280 discourse about, like, that was cheating, and Bambi's a terrible 1899 01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,600 person. They're all terrible people. 1900 01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,840 People are good and bad and everything in between. 1901 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:11,280 Like, duh. And like, yeah, it was. 1902 01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,280 You can say it is. But like, again, the scene was 1903 01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:16,800 not really about getting back at Prim. 1904 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,280 It wasn't really about like, you know, it was about Bambi falling 1905 01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,560 back. And like, again, the Lioness hoe 1906 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,600 that she is, she's like, people don't change Sasha. 1907 01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:27,320 And then like here she is actively changing and seeing the 1908 01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:28,560 fucking scene. Where she's. 1909 01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:32,280 Like I'm going to break the cycle of like fucking my friends 1910 01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:36,680 because I need friends which so. I do love their friendship and. 1911 01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:39,560 I love their friendship and I like the conversation that 1912 01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,720 they're having too, where Sasha's like, you can't keep 1913 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,320 trying to change yourself for Prim because it will never end. 1914 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,760 You need to change yourself because you want to change 1915 01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,400 that's. Why I love that? 1916 01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,600 Whole scene because the whole scene is about Bambi and that's 1917 01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,440 so true. Like that's another reason like 1918 01:33:56,440 --> 01:33:59,080 toxic relationships continue because like people try to for 1919 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,680 like prow and men, right? You try to force yourself into 1920 01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,280 being something you're not. Which prow is closeted? 1921 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,960 And like it's event like. You're not going to be happy and 1922 01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,200 it's going to blow up and be worse, which is like what's 1923 01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:12,320 going on with them, right? So Sasha's like, don't do that 1924 01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:13,960 because ultimately you're not going to be happy. 1925 01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,560 You're just it will never end. Prim's going to just need you to 1926 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,600 change and just keep changing until you're what what she 1927 01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,320 needs. Like you should change because 1928 01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,560 you're ready and you want to. And so in that scene, Bambi 1929 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,320 makes the active choice to be like, I need to change my 1930 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:28,920 behavior because I want to, because I need a friend. 1931 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,080 So I love that that whole scene is probably one of my favorite 1932 01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,680 scenes on the show. It's such a good one. 1933 01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,000 Like there's a lot going on tonight. 1934 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:39,240 It's just their conversation and also like power of platonic 1935 01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:42,760 friends, which is part of relationships like and I love 1936 01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,200 the Sasha being the cheeky bass that she always does. 1937 01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:46,960 She's like, you know what? We're too similar to date 1938 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,560 anyway. Like it was just so true. 1939 01:34:49,480 --> 01:34:50,480 Could you? Imagine they would drive each. 1940 01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:52,240 Other crazy like they would they'd be. 1941 01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:53,600 Constantly cheating on each other. 1942 01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,120 They would with other people. They're trying to on top each. 1943 01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:57,200 Other all the time I was just not. 1944 01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:59,280 It's not going to work the the the two of them would just be. 1945 01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:04,960 Trying to make the other one jealous I feel like. 1946 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,720 No, I mean it would be. Very fun to watch them trying to 1947 01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:10,600 and just like the mind games that would try to play with each 1948 01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,120 other would be wildly entertaining, but like it would 1949 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:17,160 never it's not going to work. No, but I was showing. 1950 01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,720 You some people. Here's the deal some. 1951 01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:21,640 People like games. You know who likes games? 1952 01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:23,640 Gloria? She says she doesn't, but she 1953 01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:24,960 does. That's why she keeps coming 1954 01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:26,560 back. That's why she keeps coming 1955 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,440 back. She's never having more fun than 1956 01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:30,880 when they're verbally sparring at each other. 1957 01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,240 She likes that. Because she keeps coming back. 1958 01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:36,880 She does. She keeps coming back. 1959 01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:40,480 And also something else I noticed with Speaking of 1960 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:45,440 typecasting, why does love keep getting typecasted into roles 1961 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:48,240 where the character has a kink? I'm not shaming anybody. 1962 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:50,160 I'm just saying she, her character always has some kind 1963 01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:54,200 of kink going on. Like remember in whale store 1964 01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,160 Meow Nam had the praise kink? Oh yeah. 1965 01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:00,080 OK. Gloria has a degradation kink 1966 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,480 because and Sasha points it out because she's like, girl, what 1967 01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:06,120 happened to you and your childhood to where like you get 1968 01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:10,120 mad when I'm nice to you, but like you like it when I'm mean 1969 01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,080 to you, like you know what I mean? 1970 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,200 She has a kink girl, just go with it. 1971 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,640 That's really true. She does. 1972 01:36:18,480 --> 01:36:20,720 Just go back and watch the show. She definitely does. 1973 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,520 I was that poor girl. In her trauma. 1974 01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:29,160 No, I know that. I'm not mad. 1975 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,400 At it. I'm just saying it's just 1976 01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:32,280 happened twice with her with her characters. 1977 01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:39,880 Which really makes me laugh. But anyway, something any other 1978 01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:41,680 any favorite scenes that you have? 1979 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:43,920 That one's probably one of my favorite scenes. 1980 01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:49,440 That one between them Favorite. Scenes, wild scenes is. 1981 01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,400 Bambi. Announcing Prim as her 1982 01:36:53,400 --> 01:36:57,600 girlfriend at the event. That was. 1983 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,040 Insane. Yeah. 1984 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,680 Like so we start the episode again. 1985 01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,800 So you know what's? Going to happen. 1986 01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:08,360 They don't communicate like. Bambi needed to let him in on 1987 01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:11,160 the fact that she was going to do that and like the reason why 1988 01:37:11,160 --> 01:37:14,080 she was going to do it but. No, they can't. 1989 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,560 Communicate that they can't communicate. 1990 01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:19,760 Yeah, so now she's just. Caught off guard in the middle 1991 01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:24,480 of this event where there's so many cameras, she doesn't look 1992 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:26,280 happy. I'm surprised that the the 1993 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:31,400 online can we not like we need to have like an online forum 1994 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,040 like in the show of like people like gossiping about this group 1995 01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:36,560 of people since they're so visible. 1996 01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,240 Oh my God, seriously? Since they're popular online, 1997 01:37:40,240 --> 01:37:41,920 like there has to be discourse. Yeah, there. 1998 01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:45,080 Has to be so much discourse and has to be just zooming in on the 1999 01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,800 photos like Prim doesn't look happy like this. 2000 01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,480 This relationship's bound to fail. 2001 01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:53,000 Like, I just like picture people talking like that online, you 2002 01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:53,680 know? You know. 2003 01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,360 Who's doing that online, Harry? Yes. 2004 01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:58,360 She's using the charge. She's like. 2005 01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,560 Oh I have definitely have a shot here. 2006 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,160 Oh my gosh. Oh, she's ironic. 2007 01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:08,120 They don't look happy. Oh my gosh. 2008 01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:10,480 Honestly, I can't. Wait for that again, cuz once 2009 01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:14,680 again Siazzy it's cast as the character who's going after. 2010 01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:17,840 I like I own all again. It really is. 2011 01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:22,440 I own May and ping triangle. We're doing that again. 2012 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:23,920 Yep. What's Officer? 2013 01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:26,320 Hottie. Seriously, Officer? 2014 01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,920 Hottie comes in, ends up dating from sister, just throwing us 2015 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,400 all off guard. Listen. 2016 01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:36,040 Mix it up. Mix and match, I'm fine with 2017 01:38:36,040 --> 01:38:37,320 that. I. 2018 01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,240 OK, so. Speaking of mix and match, I 2019 01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:43,000 wanted more of the mixing between all these people. 2020 01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:48,760 We they kind of quickly got into their same couple and. 2021 01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,640 Just we're. Staying there, but I wanted more 2022 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,560 intermingling and. Messiness. 2023 01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,200 Yeah, and. We didn't really. 2024 01:38:57,200 --> 01:38:58,240 Get that? I think that's I. 2025 01:38:58,640 --> 01:38:59,920 Think it's the other reason people are mad. 2026 01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,560 They're like, oh, I thought this was going to be the L word where 2027 01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:04,760 everybody's cheating and hurting each other constantly. 2028 01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:06,840 I'm. Glad it's not. 2029 01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:09,520 I like this matter where they're like let's because like. 2030 01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,120 Then they they're. Interacting like cross 2031 01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:14,680 interacting where you have like friendships going on or like 2032 01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:18,320 frenemies shit going on with like Prim and Sasha and like. 2033 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:21,200 Which keeps it. Interesting. 2034 01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:24,280 I don't know, You had an almost permanent, almost Sasha Bambi 2035 01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:25,880 situation. But yeah, that's true. 2036 01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,280 It didn't go. Yeah, it was just it's mostly 2037 01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:31,160 like the first. Episode gave us that and then it 2038 01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,680 quickly just left. Yeah. 2039 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:37,280 I mean it's there. It's. 2040 01:39:37,280 --> 01:39:39,080 Just not a lot. Yeah, I think there's some stuff 2041 01:39:39,080 --> 01:39:42,160 sprinkled in, like, yeah, like Sasha Bambi being sprinkled in a 2042 01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:45,120 bunch a few times. Something else? 2043 01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:48,640 And then Gloria not. Over Prim, yeah, yeah. 2044 01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:53,080 Yeah, something else that I saw a lot of people criticizing is 2045 01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:57,600 the editing of the show, which I don't think is bad. 2046 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,160 I think they're playing a lot with different techniques. 2047 01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:04,840 Agreed and. I don't know what all of them 2048 01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:08,760 mean, but there's always a reason for everything that they 2049 01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:10,600 do. They really do like they're not 2050 01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:14,880 just doing it to do it. Like they also have a scene. 2051 01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:19,760 So the scene. Where you see Shasha being 2052 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,160 attracted to Gloria for the first time like it's their first 2053 01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,120 meeting. Yes. 2054 01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,600 Oh, I love the way. They started it actually. 2055 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,080 Like where? Like Shasha saw. 2056 01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:31,280 That have the 2 Gloria. Was just like, yeah. 2057 01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:34,160 Yeah, I don't. You can. 2058 01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,680 You explain those scene a little bit, yeah. 2059 01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,800 Basically the way this so it's like the opening of one of the 2060 01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,920 episodes, I can't remember which one, but basically the way it 2061 01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:46,440 starts is you have this almost like binocular kind of view 2062 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,920 where you essentially have two circles and and everything else 2063 01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,800 is where you see the scene and everything else is blacked out. 2064 01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,320 So it almost looks like like if you look through binoculars or 2065 01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:00,000 something and but it's not like a binocular in the sense that 2066 01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:01,760 when you look through that, you're looking at one thing. 2067 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:03,840 It's like you're getting two different points of view that 2068 01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,840 eventually will converge. And like one point of view is 2069 01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:11,400 like Sasha's point of view of like this photo shoot that's 2070 01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:14,640 going on with another model. And then the other one is 2071 01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:18,320 essentially like her manager's point of view who's over her 2072 01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:21,720 shoulder, right kind of thing because they're the 2 characters 2073 01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,200 talking. And then eventually it's going 2074 01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:25,320 to converge into like 1 viewpoint. 2075 01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:29,160 And I think it's to show that there's those like multiple 2076 01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:31,520 point of views going on in the scene. 2077 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:36,560 And it's like there's a disconnect also actually between 2078 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:41,800 once and her manager and Sasha. And it's not explicitly said 2079 01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:44,480 yet, but they're showing you that in the editing. 2080 01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:46,400 Right. And it doesn't. 2081 01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:50,800 Converge until once her wound goes off to talk to the 2082 01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,600 director. Then it goes just to Sasha's 2083 01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,080 point of view. Yeah. 2084 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:56,600 And then it. Converges, that's kind of how it 2085 01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:58,400 starts. But then later when you have 2086 01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:01,680 Sasha watching Gori, you get the split scene thing with the red. 2087 01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:05,040 They have the red division line because don't cross the line is 2088 01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:08,760 yeah. Which is funny because it's men 2089 01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,680 and Prowl who have the actual don't cross the line. 2090 01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:19,040 But yeah, in that scene, I'll get back to the editing, But I 2091 01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,560 this is the moment that Sasha realizes that Gloria is 2092 01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,800 different from everyone else in her life because she's like 2093 01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:27,000 everyone in the entertainment industry as well. 2094 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:32,120 Because Goria is a small time stylist right now, but willing 2095 01:42:33,480 --> 01:42:36,360 to call out a famous photographer. 2096 01:42:36,800 --> 01:42:38,640 Being like, this is what you asked for. 2097 01:42:38,640 --> 01:42:40,560 I am prepared. You're the one who's not. 2098 01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:45,120 And so. For Sasha to see someone who's 2099 01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:49,520 like, willing to risk her career to be true to herself, that's a 2100 01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,920 breath of fresh air for her because she's always surrounded 2101 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,320 by people who want things from her as transactional. 2102 01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:55,840 She can't tell what's real or not. 2103 01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:58,560 But with Gloria, she's real immediately. 2104 01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:01,760 So. And the thing. 2105 01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:02,960 The thing? About that scene is, I don't 2106 01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:05,520 think Sasha knew her because at the end of it, she's like, who 2107 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,320 was, yeah, this is the first time she meets meets Goria or 2108 01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,560 sees her. And that you're right, this is 2109 01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,680 what starts the attraction because, well, also you got to 2110 01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:16,840 look at that whole scene too, 'cause I agree with what you're 2111 01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,280 saying, but also in Sasha's point of view, what was 2112 01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:22,960 happening in the scene was that she's been waiting for hours for 2113 01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:27,080 her time to model for this guy. But he's such a he's, it's like 2114 01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:28,440 one of the. Situations in the entertainment. 2115 01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:32,160 Industry where you have like this very famous artist who can 2116 01:43:32,160 --> 01:43:34,960 get away with everything and he's probably taking a sweet ass 2117 01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,640 time and like every. Fucking. 2118 01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:40,880 Up everything else for the production, like whoever's men 2119 01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,120 on that production is like, we're wasting so much money 2120 01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:44,440 right now. But because this dude is 2121 01:43:44,440 --> 01:43:46,920 brilliant, he gets away with it. So it's like enabling 'cause you 2122 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:49,600 let him get away with it, right? Happens in the entertainment 2123 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:53,240 industry all the time, right? So Sasha is a like not her super 2124 01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:56,640 established famous self yet she's like on the rise to that. 2125 01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,960 So she's there waiting and is like, I have another appointment 2126 01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:02,240 after this, like he's going to make me late for my other 2127 01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:05,360 appointment and tells her manager, can you tell him to 2128 01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,800 like hurry this along or like get me up there because I'm 2129 01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,280 going to be late for my next appointment. 2130 01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:11,040 So what? Does wansen. 2131 01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:13,160 Do what does her what does what does she do? 2132 01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:17,320 All we get in the scene is like we then the the editing 2133 01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:21,280 converges and then saw and then we see once and go up there and 2134 01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,400 talk and talk to the director for three seconds. 2135 01:44:23,400 --> 01:44:25,800 She smiles and then is like takes a phone call and goes 2136 01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,040 outside. So in my opinion. 2137 01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,560 That bitch didn't say anything. She was keeping nice with the 2138 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:32,360 director and was like, yeah, good job, whatever, and then 2139 01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:33,680 goes outside. She I don't think she actually 2140 01:44:33,680 --> 01:44:37,040 did anything in Sasha's defense because nothing changes. 2141 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,320 And then what happens? So then Goria comes up and is 2142 01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:43,840 like, fuck you and tells him. And at one point he's like, 2143 01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:47,480 you're a nothing person and and like, you could be out on the 2144 01:44:47,480 --> 01:44:49,680 street if I wanted to. And she's like, I'll go sell 2145 01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:51,400 noodles later rather than deal with this shit. 2146 01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,160 And she leaves and like walks off set. 2147 01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:55,760 And that's where Sasha gets the idea. 2148 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,440 Like, fuck it, I'll just stand up for myself. 2149 01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,680 Like she learns from Goria to stand. 2150 01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:01,800 And then that's when Sasha's like, I have an appointment, I'm 2151 01:45:01,800 --> 01:45:03,160 leaving. And she walks off set. 2152 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,320 And then you hear her manager screaming, Sasha, don't do that. 2153 01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,400 But. So. 2154 01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:09,480 Again, I like their relationship. 2155 01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:11,920 They teach each other to like stand up for they they learn 2156 01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,200 from each other actually. And so like she kind of learned 2157 01:45:14,200 --> 01:45:17,720 that from from Gloria to like do it herself too, because like, 2158 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,560 and that relies on her manager if you do it. 2159 01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:22,840 So that's the. Other thing I like about that 2160 01:45:22,840 --> 01:45:24,480 scene. Something else about the? 2161 01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,480 Scene back to the editing is like with the circles going in 2162 01:45:27,480 --> 01:45:29,880 and out. We get another one at the end of 2163 01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:34,960 that scene where it everything it starts closing in to just the 2164 01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:39,240 photographer's face and this shot. 2165 01:45:39,480 --> 01:45:42,840 I'm just giving you some film knowledge right now is known as 2166 01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:47,720 an iris out and like this is usually done like I. 2167 01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,720 The most famous? One to me that comes to my mind 2168 01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,440 is like Mickey Mouse in like Steamboat Willie. 2169 01:45:53,480 --> 01:45:56,760 I believe like very early ninety 1900s. 2170 01:45:59,200 --> 01:46:02,680 And like this is usually. Done to close a scene and like 2171 01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:08,920 can be for comedic exaggeration and it was a good use of it here 2172 01:46:08,920 --> 01:46:12,880 so I just like wanted to. Like show how? 2173 01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:16,560 Like these editing tricks techniques are not just being 2174 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,960 thrown in here because in the scene the joke was on him. 2175 01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:25,680 Like his his ego caused his own talent to walk out on him and he 2176 01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,280 was left confused and flustered being like what? 2177 01:46:28,280 --> 01:46:30,960 What is going on? Like he was the butt of the joke 2178 01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:35,200 here because you're like, you were so ridiculous that you were 2179 01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,920 just told off by a no name quote. 2180 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:41,400 No name and. Your own talent. 2181 01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:44,600 Won't even work with you. Right, you're actually in your. 2182 01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,360 Last deal model exactly and that. 2183 01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:50,880 Focuses in on him and being like, but think about this like 2184 01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:54,960 this is another aspect of the scene that they don't want you 2185 01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,160 to get doesn't they don't want it to get lost with the Sasha 2186 01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:01,440 Gloria thing like that. Since it's a. 2187 01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:05,600 Commentary on egos in that scene totally. 2188 01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:07,520 Yeah. So. 2189 01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:09,320 Yeah. Exactly. 2190 01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:11,760 No, they're editing is very on purpose. 2191 01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:15,440 Yeah. And then yeah, one of your 2192 01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:19,400 articles brings up like the static in the shots too in. 2193 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:24,360 In Gloria's memories with Prim, there's like static. 2194 01:47:27,080 --> 01:47:29,000 And then when? You get to the end of that 2195 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:32,520 episode where she really she sees Prim and Bambi kiss and 2196 01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:34,400 realizes I Prim is never going to pick me. 2197 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:38,280 She ends up exiting and standing in front of a ton of television 2198 01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:39,840 screens that have static on them. 2199 01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:44,480 So it like connects the memory to this like, moment of stasis 2200 01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:47,360 with that relationship, or Goria realizes it's never moving 2201 01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,720 forward the way like the picture on the screen is not moving 2202 01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:52,280 forward, just stuck in the static. 2203 01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,960 And like, Goria was stuck in the memory with Prim, where Prim was 2204 01:47:55,960 --> 01:47:57,920 like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll date one day. 2205 01:47:59,480 --> 01:48:02,520 Yeah, I just thought that. Was so like when you brought 2206 01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:06,080 that up, I thought that was like a great example of like, you may 2207 01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,800 not understand what they're doing with it, but there is a 2208 01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,560 purpose for it. You just have to think about it 2209 01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,360 or wait for it to be connected for you. 2210 01:48:12,720 --> 01:48:15,600 It might not be connected for you because they let it speak 2211 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,280 for itself and let you just think about it. 2212 01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,600 Yep, and sometimes all it. Is is trying to draw your 2213 01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,280 attention to something? Yeah, 100. 2214 01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:28,280 Percent or they're you know, they're again, they're they have 2215 01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:31,680 12 episodes and three plot lines and they're they're doing other 2216 01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,920 stuff to kind of like tell the story because they don't have 2217 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:39,040 time to be as explicit as every other, you know, Thai girl love. 2218 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:40,640 That's being very explicit about stuff. 2219 01:48:41,320 --> 01:48:43,640 You know, they have to leave it up to you be for time 2220 01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,960 constraints or because like that's just the style of the 2221 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:49,920 show, you know? And so another more explicit 2222 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,680 editing example is like again, in that scene when you meet 2223 01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:54,760 Sasha, when Sasha and Goria kind of like have this. 2224 01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:57,680 They're not even like. Meeting like Sasha, just 2225 01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:01,400 watching Goria, you have the split screen where you have a 2226 01:49:01,960 --> 01:49:05,960 line between them, right? And then when you go into. 2227 01:49:05,960 --> 01:49:09,640 The end of episode like 6 I think or whatever, any mistakes 2228 01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:11,520 were there. It's like the hold me while I go 2229 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,440 to sleep. You won't do anything sexual. 2230 01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,000 I just need emotional and support from you. 2231 01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,520 What happens? They have the line and the line 2232 01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:20,720 starts going away. So what does that mean? 2233 01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:24,800 Why did they do that? Because the line has been. 2234 01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:27,640 Crossed now emotionally between them like Gloria is putting up 2235 01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:31,240 all these fronts but like she's. Breaking her own rules. 2236 01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:33,200 That's what that means. So like they're they're showing 2237 01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,080 you like something has actually fundamentally changed between 2238 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:38,800 these two in this moment. In case you didn't get yeah in 2239 01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:41,600 that in their. In in that way, they are like 2240 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,920 spoon feeding it to you, by the way that they're. 2241 01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:44,920 Yeah, exactly. That's an. 2242 01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:47,920 Explicit thing to be like their relationship changed. 2243 01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:51,000 We're showing you with the editing without us, without gory 2244 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:52,560 being like Oh my God, it changed. 2245 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:53,960 You know what I mean? Like normally they would say 2246 01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:57,280 they're not wasting, they're showing you explicitly something 2247 01:49:57,280 --> 01:49:59,800 changed. Yeah, this is a monumental 2248 01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:00,920 moment. And they're they're making the 2249 01:50:00,920 --> 01:50:03,480 point with the editing. Yeah, in case you didn't get 2250 01:50:03,480 --> 01:50:06,760 that kind of thing. So yeah. 2251 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:08,840 Editing is definitely. Different and they do a lot of 2252 01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:12,320 different editing things. But yeah, I trust the GMMTV 2253 01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:13,560 teams. Like they're very good at what 2254 01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:18,160 they do and they're using things to show you stuff explicitly. 2255 01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,640 This is a gap where we have a million different editing 2256 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,520 techniques because we can and it doesn't mean anything like. 2257 01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:27,560 Sorry. I don't hate GAP, it's just gaps 2258 01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:31,280 Editing in GAP was a hot mess. They just did stuff and it 2259 01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,560 doesn't it they did it thing so many times that they lost all 2260 01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:36,440 meaning. It was just like because they 2261 01:50:36,440 --> 01:50:38,560 could. Which like. 2262 01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,000 That's fine. If you want to do things because 2263 01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:42,000 you can't, that's fine. GMNTP is not like that. 2264 01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:44,680 They do things on purpose. The Rack focus. 2265 01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:46,320 Cause like everyone makes you, it's time. 2266 01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:50,320 It takes time to edit that. Like it's easier to not do it. 2267 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:53,400 Yeah, it's more time effective not to do it than it is to do 2268 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:54,760 it. I can't tell you how much. 2269 01:50:54,760 --> 01:51:01,240 Editing has to go be involved in this to mask things in this 2270 01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:03,040 podcast. Like this isn't a television 2271 01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:04,120 show. Yeah, we need to do targeting 2272 01:51:04,160 --> 01:51:07,040 for the podcast. Like I can't even, I like why 2273 01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,480 would you add editing when you don't need it? 2274 01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:11,440 Is the it's such a pain in the ass. 2275 01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:15,000 So like they're doing it on purpose because somebody was 2276 01:51:15,000 --> 01:51:18,800 tasked to do it and put time into that for there's a reason 2277 01:51:18,800 --> 01:51:21,080 that they do that. It's easier not they don't want 2278 01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,480 to pay these people. More money just to. 2279 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:27,360 Right, just to do. Stuff because like although 2280 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:31,080 apparently gapped it, but like oh what they were doing on that 2281 01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:32,920 idle factory. There's a reason Idle Factory 2282 01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:35,880 doesn't exist anymore guys like they were doing some weird stuff 2283 01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:41,320 over there but anyway, so. Yeah, editing. 2284 01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,960 Is very, very good. That was a very good scene. 2285 01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,840 Trying to think of another scene that I really like. 2286 01:51:48,760 --> 01:51:51,080 I honestly. I like the scene with. 2287 01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:53,880 What was it? It was a. 2288 01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:56,160 Min and Prow see, I want to give them some love. 2289 01:51:56,160 --> 01:51:59,600 There's a there's AI like the scene where Min is crying 2290 01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:02,320 outside the the. Club. 2291 01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,320 Like grieving the relationship. And I like how. 2292 01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,600 Prow in that scene, because you said that she pushes like she 2293 01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:12,760 does, but then she doesn't sometimes, like in that scene 2294 01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,200 when Min was first of all, she takes her photo while she's 2295 01:52:15,200 --> 01:52:17,560 crying and that was the what are you terrible way to try? 2296 01:52:17,560 --> 01:52:19,440 And get her attention. What was that? 2297 01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:21,280 Right, That was she was being awkward. 2298 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:23,040 She's like, I want to talk to you and I don't know how to talk 2299 01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,480 to people. So I did that. 2300 01:52:24,920 --> 01:52:27,760 So that was weird. But like she was being awkward. 2301 01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,440 Which women are awkward when they're flirting? 2302 01:52:30,440 --> 01:52:33,880 So like, fine, but then I like in that conversation that men, 2303 01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,360 first of all, the commentary to be like, you know, there was 2304 01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:38,000 good moments. I'm grieving the good moments so 2305 01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,960 I can move on. Valid. 2306 01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,320 But I like in that conversation that proud doesn't push her too 2307 01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:46,440 much. She's like supportive with men 2308 01:52:46,440 --> 01:52:49,560 and talks to her, but then she ultimately leaves men alone and 2309 01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:52,920 like let's men continue what she was doing. 2310 01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:55,200 She's like, basically like, you deserve better. 2311 01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:57,840 I hope you feel better. And then she like kind of 2312 01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:59,840 leaves. I like that she does that where 2313 01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,280 it's like, that's a good way to be. 2314 01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:04,440 You know, it's like not, not everybody needs somebody with 2315 01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:05,800 them all the time when they're upset. 2316 01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,120 Sometimes like that, like Min's the type of person that seems 2317 01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,320 more like introverted and more like internal. 2318 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,160 And so like having Prowl come there, cheer her up, sing the 2319 01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:16,840 song and then leave her alone and like give her physical 2320 01:53:16,840 --> 01:53:18,960 contact like briefly and then leave. 2321 01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,240 I think that was the best way to handle that like with a with a 2322 01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:25,240 character like Min. So I appreciate that scene and 2323 01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:26,800 kind of how it went down with the two of them. 2324 01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:28,760 Yeah, it was nice. Personally. 2325 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,000 It was because again. There are scenes where Proud 2326 01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,000 pushes too much, but then there are other scenes where she's 2327 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:37,280 respectful about it. Because, like, people can have 2328 01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,600 multitudes. Yes, we're not. 2329 01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,600 Perfect all the time, but we're we're people are not perfect. 2330 01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,480 Nobody is perfect, even. When they think they. 2331 01:53:45,480 --> 01:53:48,080 Are. Especially when they think. 2332 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,000 They are. That's how you get for him. 2333 01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:56,920 Yeah, Oh my God, for him. Oh my gosh. 2334 01:53:57,160 --> 01:54:00,120 What other scenes I mean? There's I like. 2335 01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:02,200 Every scene. Every scene with Sasha and 2336 01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:04,120 Gloria, that's amazing. I love them all. 2337 01:54:05,480 --> 01:54:08,480 I love all of them. I love their dynamic. 2338 01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:11,040 They're my favorite dynamic. It's very a cat and mouse push 2339 01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:14,160 and pull. Kind of dynamic. 2340 01:54:14,440 --> 01:54:16,680 So this people love when Gloria calls Sasha out. 2341 01:54:16,680 --> 01:54:18,960 She's like, you're being in, you're just putting up a front 2342 01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,000 right now. And the irony is Gloria does 2343 01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:22,920 too. They both do it. 2344 01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:24,720 It's just that she likes calling Sasha. 2345 01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:29,160 Oh, actually, I will say from the last episode, I love that 2346 01:54:30,440 --> 01:54:34,040 the way Sasha will not stop flirting ever, even when they're 2347 01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:37,280 having serious conversations. And she's like, they run away 2348 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:41,120 from the reporters. And then Gloria realizes she's 2349 01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:43,280 still holding Sasha's hands and Sasha, and she drops it. 2350 01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:44,840 And Sasha's like, you can hold my hand. 2351 01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,720 She's like, in this serious moment, she insists on like. 2352 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:51,800 Always, even. When Gloria's like, don't do 2353 01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:54,240 that, then she's like, OK, but one more time. 2354 01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,480 And then I think Gloria also just likes the attention 2355 01:54:57,480 --> 01:54:59,360 because, like, she's so persistent. 2356 01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:02,880 And it's like, just funny about it sometimes because you're 2357 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,280 like, you are ridiculous. Actually, yeah. 2358 01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,400 She's funny though. The way she does not give up. 2359 01:55:10,720 --> 01:55:14,280 Oh, and then dancing in the Oh my God, actually, wait, can we 2360 01:55:14,280 --> 01:55:15,840 talk about that scene where they're in there? 2361 01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:17,840 This was so funny. Or Sasha's like. 2362 01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,280 Where is her manager? And she's like, why are we at a 2363 01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,160 this furniture store? And so I was just like. 2364 01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:28,840 You're here with me because I. Need to shop and Gory's like I 2365 01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,520 have other things to do I can't go shopping with you and so I 2366 01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,320 was like name them, what are we going to? 2367 01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,520 Do and Gloria has no answer. She's like, yeah, you have 2368 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:37,040 nothing to do. You're coming with me. 2369 01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:38,600 You like, she's like, you got to get to know me if you're going 2370 01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,560 to be my manager because like, you have to have my back, right? 2371 01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:43,720 I love that. They call each other out. 2372 01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:45,600 You're like, what are you doing? Yeah, I mean that's. 2373 01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:46,360 Real. Yeah, nothing. 2374 01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:49,080 They're being real with. Each other they're being. 2375 01:55:49,080 --> 01:55:49,680 Real. Yeah. 2376 01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,840 And I like when they're the, the sad, the real parts. 2377 01:55:51,880 --> 01:55:53,640 That whole thing was real. Because then they get in the 2378 01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,400 store and Sasha explains why she likes going there. 2379 01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:00,120 And this is like the this girl needs a hug moment where she's 2380 01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:01,920 like, basically, she's like, I like to come in the store and 2381 01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,480 then touch the furniture and imagine what the families were 2382 01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:08,040 like that owned it and how happy and warm their lives were. 2383 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:10,000 Oh, poor. Because this pitch. 2384 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:13,200 Didn't have a happy warm life. She has nothing like that's. 2385 01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:16,000 So sad to hear that that's what she does. 2386 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,720 She cosplays family because her family sucks. 2387 01:56:20,320 --> 01:56:22,960 Like damn. Damn love sash. 2388 01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,120 And like she tells. This I mean, they talk about 2389 01:56:25,120 --> 01:56:27,960 real things with yeah, they do, I they do. 2390 01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,640 And and yeah, I I was. Just going to say I will admit 2391 01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,400 that Gloria annoys me sometimes, but that's that's. 2392 01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:38,000 That's a me problem. That's not a her problem. 2393 01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,920 You don't have a degradation. Kane can understand Goria's 2394 01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:43,400 having a great time during these scenes. 2395 01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:46,440 She secretly likes Bambi because she likes. 2396 01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:50,960 Goria does enjoy. It she's combative, like you 2397 01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:52,840 see, like again, when Kasha first met her, what would she do 2398 01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:53,840 when she's fighting with the director? 2399 01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:57,480 Like, she, I think, in some level, enjoys verbally sparring 2400 01:56:57,480 --> 01:57:00,760 with people because what is her example of, like, something she 2401 01:57:00,760 --> 01:57:03,600 wants to experience? Because, like, they get up 2402 01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:04,680 first. I love the way their 2403 01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:06,560 conversation keeps going in the furniture store. 2404 01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,760 And they're basically like, do you want love kind of thing? 2405 01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,560 And they have a real conversation about this. 2406 01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:15,560 And Gloria, who's always putting on a front, is like, you know, 2407 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:19,120 so many people are single and, like, the 4B movement, all this 2408 01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:21,080 stuff. And it's like, OK, girl. 2409 01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:22,600 Sure. And then she's like, then she 2410 01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:24,920 pivots immediately into, you know what my parents are doing 2411 01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:27,440 the other day. Great, the way she tells on 2412 01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:30,600 herself and constantly. And she's like, you know, my 2413 01:57:30,600 --> 01:57:32,960 parents are doing this thing. And I think they're cute 2414 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,040 sometimes, especially when they're having nonsensical 2415 01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:39,080 arguments about ridiculous shit where they're just and she and 2416 01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:42,480 and that's what she wants. She wants to argue about 2417 01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,760 nothing, which I get. That's my love language, arguing 2418 01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:46,600 about nothing. It's so fun. 2419 01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:49,440 I'm Italian American. I was really so like arguing 2420 01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,000 about nothing. Yeah, that's her love language. 2421 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:54,120 That's why she likes Sasha, cause Sasha will verbally spar 2422 01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,680 with her over nothing and she likes that. 2423 01:57:56,680 --> 01:58:00,160 That's their relationship. And like, I like that scene 2424 01:58:00,160 --> 01:58:02,840 because like, that's the first time Goria really says anything 2425 01:58:02,840 --> 01:58:06,320 super real about what she wants. And she was so unguarded. 2426 01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:09,120 She says it. And then when she realizes Sasha 2427 01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:11,400 absorbs all that, that's when she's like, oh fuck, I shouldn't 2428 01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:12,880 have said that. She catches herself. 2429 01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:14,560 She's like, shit, I was unguarded. 2430 01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:18,040 I didn't mean to be. But from. 2431 01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:21,800 Gloria's perspective like and then of course Sasha's like, I 2432 01:58:21,800 --> 01:58:23,840 can argue with you and she's like stop being an opportunist. 2433 01:58:23,840 --> 01:58:26,600 That's not why I told you that. Like we, I thought we were being 2434 01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:29,320 friends or whatever. So I do like that they when 2435 01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:31,040 they're unguarded, they're very real with each. 2436 01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:33,560 Both of them are real. It's just that they have their 2437 01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:36,480 own separate traumas that makes them defensive. 2438 01:58:36,480 --> 01:58:38,640 Like Gori keeps getting cheated on. 2439 01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:40,520 So like, it would be very understandable that she would be 2440 01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:43,600 very hesitant to get in a relationship with somebody who's 2441 01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:44,360 a heart. Yeah. 2442 01:58:44,360 --> 01:58:46,920 Which who's proven to? Break hearts. 2443 01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:49,640 Including prim. Sister. 2444 01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,400 But like. But here's the deal, like is she 2445 01:58:53,400 --> 01:58:55,240 breaking hearts? Cuz she seems very 2446 01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:57,400 straightforward where she's like, we're just going to have 2447 01:58:57,400 --> 01:58:59,040 sex in that. No, people, definitely. 2448 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:01,880 Like try to get more out of her and she's just like, no. 2449 01:59:03,160 --> 01:59:05,360 Which is. What happened between Gori and 2450 01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:08,040 Prim right where Prim was like this is going to be again. 2451 01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:11,040 Prim hates Sasha because she's very similar to Sasha. 2452 01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,600 I think that's why she actually hates Sasha because she sees 2453 01:59:13,600 --> 01:59:16,840 herself and she's like fuck. And hates it. 2454 01:59:17,640 --> 01:59:20,680 But like, that's what Prim did to Goria, right? 2455 01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:23,240 She was like, Gori's like, whoa, I want to be more than friends 2456 01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:24,320 with you. And then she's like. 2457 01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,640 We can have sex and that's. Not going to change that for me, 2458 01:59:27,640 --> 01:59:31,800 so are you cool with that? Yeah, and like what happened? 2459 01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:34,440 Gori is like, yeah, I guess because like, from Gori's point 2460 01:59:34,440 --> 01:59:36,960 of view, she's like, I'd rather have some of you than none of 2461 01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:38,440 you. You have a girl. 2462 01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:39,120 And. I'll deal with. 2463 01:59:39,120 --> 01:59:42,640 It versus prim who's like. But I feel like that's what. 2464 01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:45,280 Happens with Sasha like she has these girls that are into her 2465 01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,880 and then Josh is like this can be sex and nothing else. 2466 01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:51,720 Are you OK with that? And they say yes. 2467 01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,440 And then like. Then they still have. 2468 01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:56,280 Feelings for her. So like, is Sasha leading them 2469 01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:59,720 on or is she just being very explicit about it and like they 2470 01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:01,800 have feelings and then have to deal with the feelings they 2471 02:00:01,800 --> 02:00:03,840 still have? You know, like with Gloria 2472 02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:06,400 Efrim. So I don't, I don't think. 2473 02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:08,520 You can like paint Sasha as this like Heartbreaker. 2474 02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:12,320 I think she's very explicit about the situations. 2475 02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:14,560 Is definitely like. Shane from The L Word. 2476 02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:18,840 She, I think. She's better than Shane, to be 2477 02:00:18,840 --> 02:00:19,160 honest. Shane. 2478 02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,760 I'm just saying because like Shane literally had a plot line 2479 02:00:22,760 --> 02:00:27,080 with like a girl like. Trying to be like too. 2480 02:00:27,080 --> 02:00:30,560 Much like into a relationship like she wanted more and she's 2481 02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:33,720 like no, and explaining that like no, this is who I am. 2482 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,360 I have fun. I thought you knew that. 2483 02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:41,560 I've told you this, yeah. So. 2484 02:00:42,200 --> 02:00:43,840 Right. So it goes to show you, like in 2485 02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:46,800 relationships, sometimes people hear what they want to hear or 2486 02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,280 people think like what? Like the proud men thing she's 2487 02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:50,120 like. She'll change her mind 2488 02:00:50,120 --> 02:00:53,320 eventually. I'll just wait it out, but how 2489 02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:53,880 long? Are you going? 2490 02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:55,800 Sometimes that work, sometimes that doesn't. 2491 02:00:55,800 --> 02:00:59,160 Like. But what's fun about? 2492 02:00:59,160 --> 02:01:02,320 Sasha and Goria is that they, they're at this stage like we're 2493 02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:03,280 at episode 7, we're at the stage. 2494 02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:06,040 They actually know each other pretty well enough to call each 2495 02:01:06,040 --> 02:01:10,400 other's bullshit out, which is why Sasha can say like they're 2496 02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:12,720 they had the scene where they're in the sauna and like. 2497 02:01:14,160 --> 02:01:16,320 Goria. Telling on herself, she and 2498 02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:17,840 they're talking about the manager's thing and she's like, 2499 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:20,520 listen, I don't want to be the type of manager that sleeps with 2500 02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:23,440 their artist. Sasha didn't bring that. 2501 02:01:23,560 --> 02:01:25,720 He did and then she's like, is that what you want? 2502 02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:28,480 Because you just said it. That's not what I came here to 2503 02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,600 talk to you about. And so she tells on herself and 2504 02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:33,120 then they're taught and then they and then she's like, no, 2505 02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:37,240 no, no, we will just be manager and like artist, nothing else. 2506 02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,360 No touching, no looking at each other, no nothing. 2507 02:01:40,360 --> 02:01:43,080 And then Sasha was like, I guess so for now, because you're going 2508 02:01:43,080 --> 02:01:45,360 to change your mind because you just fucking told me you're 2509 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:49,120 going like, so like with them, it works to be like, I'll just 2510 02:01:49,120 --> 02:01:51,480 wait this out because I know you're going to change your mind 2511 02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:54,080 because you keep doing it. And also you can change it like 2512 02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:56,040 that, you know what I mean? So. 2513 02:01:57,920 --> 02:01:59,400 It's a little. Bit different when you kind of 2514 02:01:59,400 --> 02:02:01,040 like know that that's what they're going to do because you 2515 02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:03,640 know them. But like in the scenario with 2516 02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:06,760 like printed proud men, like proud men don't really know each 2517 02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:08,600 other. So like for proud to like gamble 2518 02:02:08,600 --> 02:02:11,480 that I knew that was doing. This straight girl. 2519 02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:14,440 Yeah, exactly. Like girl, like and like. 2520 02:02:15,040 --> 02:02:18,960 From their conversations it almost seems like Prow has gone 2521 02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:21,680 after a quote St. girl before, so like. 2522 02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:25,520 Why are you surprised? By that, like that, that whole 2523 02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:27,440 thing was weird because it wasn't super fleshed out, but 2524 02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:31,200 like, this happens in real life, you know, and then she gets 2525 02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:33,000 what? She'll get mad at men and become 2526 02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:35,640 biphobic. I hope not, but like, this is 2527 02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:38,680 how lesbians become biphobic. Actually, Yeah, I hope this is. 2528 02:02:38,800 --> 02:02:41,040 How they get their heart. Broken that she doesn't. 2529 02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,840 Do anything like that? Because she has been shown to us 2530 02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:50,240 as being very open minded. But I. 2531 02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:53,640 Could unders I could empathize with how that could happen, like 2532 02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:58,000 in her plot line, because like this happens in real life. 2533 02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,280 So like I can kind of see it going down the road. 2534 02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:02,480 I don't know that it will, but like I can see it. 2535 02:03:03,080 --> 02:03:04,560 It'll be interesting to see. Where they go? 2536 02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:08,120 I'm very curious. To see what what's going to 2537 02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:14,240 actually happen with them. OK, so predictions going 2538 02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:15,880 forward, I guess what do you want to see happen? 2539 02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:17,280 What do you think's going to happen? 2540 02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:21,280 Unless you have more like no I. I don't want to see this happen, 2541 02:03:21,600 --> 02:03:26,760 but I feel like they're going to do a Glee thing where all the 2542 02:03:26,760 --> 02:03:29,320 couples are together and then they all break up in the same 2543 02:03:29,320 --> 02:03:29,840 episode. I. 2544 02:03:33,280 --> 02:03:34,160 Think that's. Way too much. 2545 02:03:34,160 --> 02:03:36,080 I think they will all break up at some point. 2546 02:03:36,080 --> 02:03:38,280 But yeah, I hope not. That's. 2547 02:03:40,080 --> 02:03:43,680 They could. I'm still worried about Bambi. 2548 02:03:44,760 --> 02:03:47,720 Almost dying because. Of self harm because of like 2549 02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:52,240 drugs and alcohol basically when Prim and her inevitably break 2550 02:03:52,280 --> 02:03:54,640 up. Like I feel like she's because 2551 02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:56,600 we unless we address the trauma first. 2552 02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:58,160 I feel like that is where that's headed. 2553 02:03:58,160 --> 02:04:01,440 I'm really nervous about that. Proud. 2554 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,120 I'm not. Breaking up in the next episode, 2555 02:04:03,120 --> 02:04:06,880 I feel like how? I think proud and men personally 2556 02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:09,280 need time apart Yeah, because it. 2557 02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:11,480 Needs time to process. It has not been able to process 2558 02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:14,760 Manhattan. It needs to process things first 2559 02:04:14,760 --> 02:04:18,240 and foremost. First and foremost. 2560 02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:24,400 Whatever happens outside of that I don't know because like I'm 2561 02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:27,640 not attached to any of the couples except Sasha and Gori to 2562 02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:29,400 be honest with you. And like they can go their 2563 02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:30,960 separate ways. I feel like Sasha and Gori will 2564 02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:33,040 end up together but the other ones I don't know and like 2565 02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,840 honestly Prim and Bambi I I don't think they should. 2566 02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:38,520 I hope there is at least. One couple that doesn't end up 2567 02:04:38,520 --> 02:04:40,920 together because that's not realistic if they all end up 2568 02:04:40,920 --> 02:04:41,800 together. I agree. 2569 02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:45,280 I agree. I'm also fine if nobody ends up 2570 02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,560 together except Sasha and Gori, because I think they should. 2571 02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:51,200 Yeah. Yeah, they could do that. 2572 02:04:51,200 --> 02:04:53,400 Or nobody ends up together. I'm be honest to be fine with 2573 02:04:53,400 --> 02:04:54,520 it. That's that's fine. 2574 02:04:55,640 --> 02:04:56,880 I don't think that's going. To be. 2575 02:04:56,880 --> 02:04:58,960 Plot that's going to happen. I think they know each. 2576 02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:02,640 Other too. Well, I also think that like in 2577 02:05:02,640 --> 02:05:07,120 the I think in the next couple episodes with with them, that I 2578 02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:11,680 think that Sasha is going to push Gory away because of 2579 02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:16,200 blackmailing with her manager, but I think Gory is going to 2580 02:05:16,200 --> 02:05:19,360 figure it out because they know each other too well at this 2581 02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:20,560 point. I think that's the thing. 2582 02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:22,800 I think she's I think she's going to end up saving Sasha for 2583 02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,040 whatever the shit is. It's also because Sasha. 2584 02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:29,680 Went so hard to get her as her manager, like she was so adamant 2585 02:05:29,680 --> 02:05:33,560 that for Goria to be her manager that this is an extreme shift 2586 02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:37,200 for her. So it doesn't make sense. 2587 02:05:37,200 --> 02:05:40,920 Yeah, I think once. Sasha's not being persistent 2588 02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:42,240 cause Sasha's been persistent the whole time. 2589 02:05:42,240 --> 02:05:43,560 She's suddenly not going to be persistent. 2590 02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,480 I think Ora's going to miss that and then notice shit and be like 2591 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:49,240 something weird is happening here. 2592 02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,400 Yeah, and like she's. Always. 2593 02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:54,920 Had a feeling about. Winston. 2594 02:05:57,200 --> 02:05:58,240 So she's the. One who's like your. 2595 02:05:58,240 --> 02:05:59,480 Manager is fucking you over right? 2596 02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:00,880 Exactly. She's going to see that that 2597 02:06:00,880 --> 02:06:03,160 manager is back after breaking Sasha's try. 2598 02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:04,440 I feel like she's going to see the find. 2599 02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:07,880 The whole thing is weird and I think it'll probably get to a 2600 02:06:07,880 --> 02:06:11,000 point where like Sasha will kind of like breakdown and tell her 2601 02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:14,640 the truth and then we will learn what actually happened early in 2602 02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:16,320 her career and I feel like Goria. 2603 02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:19,200 Is going to help her through that and like it might that 2604 02:06:19,200 --> 02:06:23,120 might come to light publicly, but Goria is going to help her 2605 02:06:23,120 --> 02:06:25,040 get through it. I. 2606 02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:27,120 Think that that's. What's going to solidify them as 2607 02:06:27,120 --> 02:06:30,120 like friends or or something more? 2608 02:06:30,120 --> 02:06:32,800 I think that's going to bond them, whatever the hell this 2609 02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:35,680 truth is and like what they go through together. 2610 02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:37,480 Because I agree with you, I feel like it's going to be something 2611 02:06:37,480 --> 02:06:39,040 along those lines. And I think that that's going to 2612 02:06:39,040 --> 02:06:41,840 be another like turning point thing that bonds. 2613 02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,320 Yeah. They're going to trauma. 2614 02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:44,680 Bond. Because we must trauma bond. 2615 02:06:44,680 --> 02:06:47,960 That is how relationships form. What do you think is going on 2616 02:06:47,960 --> 02:06:50,800 with Sasha? What do you think once then was 2617 02:06:51,160 --> 02:06:54,800 insinuating? So I watched this as a reaction 2618 02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,640 video. I haven't been able to watch it 2619 02:06:56,640 --> 02:06:59,120 again so I didn't get a good look at the photo. 2620 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:03,920 I was basically like a. Photo of Sasha looking very 2621 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:07,440 uncomfortable in a dress that was semi revealing. 2622 02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:11,360 And then one son. Basically said like. 2623 02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,320 Do you really? Want people to find out what you 2624 02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:17,520 were doing earlier in your career before you were famous? 2625 02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:23,120 So maybe she had to. Do things that were not very 2626 02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,400 don't know the right word. I think she got had to do things 2627 02:07:29,400 --> 02:07:35,160 that were exploitative for her like call girl shit things that. 2628 02:07:35,160 --> 02:07:36,840 Happen. In real life. 2629 02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:39,520 That's what I mean 'cause. She's the she's the social 2630 02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,120 commentary on the entertainment industry. 2631 02:07:41,800 --> 02:07:43,200 Definitely, yeah. Like the? 2632 02:07:43,640 --> 02:07:47,080 I think she had to do things and she was young and didn't have 2633 02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:50,480 the casting couch thing. Aha, people took. 2634 02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:54,160 Advantage of her I think is what happened, but I think that 2635 02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:58,400 whether her manager put her up to it or not, because like is a 2636 02:07:58,400 --> 02:08:00,480 question, yeah, she's not protecting her. 2637 02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:02,280 Not protecting her. Her. 2638 02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:03,560 Mom wasn't really protecting her. 2639 02:08:03,560 --> 02:08:04,680 She just said it in the last episode. 2640 02:08:04,680 --> 02:08:06,520 My mom just wants me to work and get a paycheck. 2641 02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:08,000 She doesn't really care about me. 2642 02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:11,960 So again, back to like what I wrote about in that article 2643 02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:14,480 about like Sasha, all of her relationships are transactional. 2644 02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,520 All of them except gory. I mean, starts off transact and 2645 02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:21,440 it becomes a really like an actual like human connection 2646 02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,000 kind of thing. People always want things from 2647 02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,240 her. And so she's very used to like I 2648 02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:28,960 do something, I get something and that's what human 2649 02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,680 interactions are. So I think she was young and got 2650 02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:35,160 taken advantage of. And then Shasha to once there's 2651 02:08:35,160 --> 02:08:37,800 a digital footprint now because this photo photos exist or 2652 02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:40,080 whatever. Like I can fuck her over. 2653 02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:43,480 Like that's a reality of like women in the entertainment 2654 02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:44,920 industry. She's also a commentary on the. 2655 02:08:45,160 --> 02:08:50,080 Children acting industry because she was in the commercial when 2656 02:08:50,080 --> 02:08:53,880 she was very young, so she has been introduced to this. 2657 02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:57,720 So for her to have to like do those things, that means like, 2658 02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:01,560 how young did that start? That's what I'm saying. 2659 02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:03,680 And like, was it normal to her at the time? 2660 02:09:03,680 --> 02:09:06,160 Like she was? I feel like she got preyed on 2661 02:09:06,160 --> 02:09:07,960 basically and like didn't know any better. 2662 02:09:07,960 --> 02:09:10,440 She's been in this industry since she was 8. 2663 02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:14,040 And that's it's. Very young and to have a mother 2664 02:09:14,040 --> 02:09:16,640 that does not protect you, that's. 2665 02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,560 A recipe. For Disaster 100. 2666 02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:21,880 Percent. Yeah, so like, no wonder she's a 2667 02:09:21,880 --> 02:09:24,360 disaster when it comes to, like, having relationships with 2668 02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:25,600 humans. She doesn't know how. 2669 02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:28,840 Like, she's never had that ever. Ever. 2670 02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:31,480 She was a. Child when this started like. 2671 02:09:33,240 --> 02:09:35,360 Who needs? Therapy also, this character 2672 02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:37,720 needs very much therapy and don't get us strong. 2673 02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:40,480 They all need therapy. They all need it. 2674 02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:43,480 But like Oh my God, I don't know how she's so she needs to 2675 02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:45,480 process. She seems fairly well 2676 02:09:45,480 --> 02:09:48,440 functioning despite all of this shit like which is kind of it 2677 02:09:48,440 --> 02:09:50,360 tells you how strong she is as a person. 2678 02:09:50,360 --> 02:09:53,080 But like she's not OK either. Which is why like her, I think 2679 02:09:53,080 --> 02:09:55,440 her and Bambi really connect because they're like, I sense 2680 02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:59,440 the trauma in you also. Do you sense the trauma in? 2681 02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:01,960 Me. We don't have to speak about. 2682 02:10:01,960 --> 02:10:05,920 It we we see that it's there. So yeah, I think that they'll, I 2683 02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:08,640 think they're going to have a a reconciliation of some sort and 2684 02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:10,240 they're going to bond over whatever this is. 2685 02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:13,520 And I'm very curious how they handle whatever happened to 2686 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:17,080 Sasha and like. It to your point will. 2687 02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:21,280 They will, they will get out and like, I'm very curious how that 2688 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,720 goes. Since Sasha and Bambi are 2689 02:10:24,720 --> 02:10:27,760 friends friends. I wonder. 2690 02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:30,840 If they're going to get into like later, very much later 2691 02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:33,800 into. A conversation. 2692 02:10:33,800 --> 02:10:37,560 And Bambi recommends her therapist to Shasha that would. 2693 02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:40,080 Be good because I thought, I think. 2694 02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:41,120 That would be great. Bambi has to. 2695 02:10:41,760 --> 02:10:42,600 Go Yeah, no, that's. Why? 2696 02:10:42,600 --> 02:10:45,200 I said later Because she has to have that breakthrough I really 2697 02:10:45,200 --> 02:10:45,840 want. To see that. 2698 02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:49,360 Scene where? I want a breakthrough where she 2699 02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,320 brings. Yeah, I really want that. 2700 02:10:51,480 --> 02:10:54,880 In my head, that's Canon. Or during. 2701 02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,280 That conversation with the therapist where Prim is there. 2702 02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:02,200 It comes out. Or like heavily hints that Prim 2703 02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:05,160 knows about Z's death because Bambi doesn't know that Prim 2704 02:11:05,200 --> 02:11:09,160 knows that. And that triggers on just the 2705 02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:12,480 downfall of many things for Bambi. 2706 02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:15,160 Like it blows up Bambi's like psyche kind of deal. 2707 02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,880 Yeah, because like those. 2 they have to actually talk and then 2708 02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:22,280 also like I'm hoping, like we talked about earlier that Bambi 2709 02:11:22,280 --> 02:11:28,080 and her mom have conversations. And then for men and Prow, I'm 2710 02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:33,120 really, I don't really know what the hell is going to happen 2711 02:11:33,120 --> 02:11:35,360 other than that they're going to break up at some point like for 2712 02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:37,280 sure, But like, I don't know what's going to happen really 2713 02:11:37,280 --> 02:11:42,040 with like men and her family. And like, I, I think what's 2714 02:11:42,040 --> 02:11:44,600 going to happen is that men is going to have to like kind of 2715 02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:48,240 make choices about like what she wants because like her mom is 2716 02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:51,120 insinuating that like she has a queer aunt or whatever. 2717 02:11:51,640 --> 02:11:54,680 And then that aunt is like ostracized from the family. 2718 02:11:55,120 --> 02:11:56,920 And so like Min is in the situation where she's 2719 02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:58,400 discovering the stuff about herself. 2720 02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:01,840 And so like, does she? Choose to stay true to. 2721 02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,040 Herself does she bend her family? 2722 02:12:04,040 --> 02:12:06,760 It seems like she's more along the lines of like, This is why I 2723 02:12:06,760 --> 02:12:08,840 don't come visit you guys. Like, I she's already kind of 2724 02:12:08,840 --> 02:12:11,200 like distancing herself from her family because I think she, 2725 02:12:11,200 --> 02:12:15,080 like, already knows she's different and, like, can't meet 2726 02:12:15,080 --> 02:12:17,800 their expectations. So I just wonder how far that's 2727 02:12:17,800 --> 02:12:19,840 going to go with men. Like, is men going to like, 2728 02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:22,920 fully be like, this is who I am. If you are going to, you know, 2729 02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:24,880 excommunicate me. If you have a family, just do it 2730 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:27,640 like Aunt JoJo or whatever. Like, yeah, I feel like. 2731 02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:30,400 Or yeah. She's the character who it's 2732 02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:33,240 going to be like. Blood. 2733 02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:38,240 Family versus chosen family, and like the power of chosen family. 2734 02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:42,880 Which is a very clear. Plot line, but like yeah. 2735 02:12:43,400 --> 02:12:45,680 Who knows? So I I'm think that's going to 2736 02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:47,240 be interesting. She'll get it less time. 2737 02:12:47,240 --> 02:12:49,800 So I feel like there won't be a ton with the family, but it's 2738 02:12:49,800 --> 02:12:52,080 going to be like her navigating. But I would love. 2739 02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:56,720 Her meeting up with her aunt. That would be cool. 2740 02:12:57,480 --> 02:13:01,600 It could be fine. That's the one thing the show's 2741 02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:03,280 missing. But a lot of shows are missing, 2742 02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:04,840 yes. Could you? 2743 02:13:04,840 --> 02:13:07,040 Imagine that just like critique worked with. 2744 02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:10,960 Her randomly Oh my God. That would be the the most 2745 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,000 glorious. Thing ever, she showed up and it 2746 02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:17,520 was like queer coaching men and you need a queer guide. 2747 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:20,800 Like that's the one. That's what we do with. 2748 02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:24,440 Everything she says, even if it doesn't sound right, do it. 2749 02:13:25,160 --> 02:13:31,400 You just do it. Just do it anyway and then. 2750 02:13:32,760 --> 02:13:34,920 Prim and Bambi. I really hope they don't end up. 2751 02:13:36,800 --> 02:13:37,320 I don't. Want. 2752 02:13:37,320 --> 02:13:41,560 Them together, I really don't I just want them to be friends I. 2753 02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:45,840 Wonder if 5. 4 is going to end up with anybody. 2754 02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,400 I hope she ends up with. Crystal what I hope happens is 2755 02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:52,360 we get Emmy Bonnie and what because like again, you got a 2756 02:13:52,360 --> 02:13:55,640 baby director and you have an up and coming like musical artist, 2757 02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:58,000 like whatever she creates another production done. 2758 02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:01,360 They could, and then that's the director they could recreate. 2759 02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:06,040 That's what I want the the US scene and she could sing the T 2760 02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:09,800 rock song to her again. She'll be like. 2761 02:14:09,800 --> 02:14:11,360 After that, you're like Sasha Who? 2762 02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:15,000 Sasha who? This is Crystal. 2763 02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:17,240 Yeah. I'm kind of hoping that's where 2764 02:14:17,240 --> 02:14:20,280 that's headed because they put Bonnie as a director and you 2765 02:14:20,280 --> 02:14:22,720 have Emmy as like, this artist who's making music videos. 2766 02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:24,080 So I'm kind of hoping they connect. 2767 02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:30,400 But yeah, I'm just saying and. Then, OK, so what's going to go 2768 02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:33,840 on with like the airy plot line with oh, OK. 2769 02:14:33,840 --> 02:14:36,120 I know you're excited for it. It's going to annoy me. 2770 02:14:37,600 --> 02:14:40,200 I don't like jealousy. Fiora loves it. 2771 02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:43,240 I don't. Love it. 2772 02:14:43,480 --> 02:14:47,000 It's just, it adds, it makes for good drama. 2773 02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:49,120 Sometimes I just. It's just. 2774 02:14:49,120 --> 02:14:50,560 Fun. I don't know. 2775 02:14:51,240 --> 02:14:53,760 I'm just like is. Prim going to do what she always 2776 02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:56,360 does. And is Bambi going to be like, 2777 02:14:56,360 --> 02:14:58,920 you're always like, I need to change, You need to fucking 2778 02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:00,840 change. I'm hoping we get that 2779 02:15:00,840 --> 02:15:03,400 conversation because why is it always on Bambi to change? 2780 02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:04,880 It's like, you also need to change. 2781 02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,080 Yeah, because Bamboo is like, well. 2782 02:15:06,080 --> 02:15:10,880 I recognize that work is really important to you, so I can let 2783 02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:14,800 go of my all my expectations and just like know that there has to 2784 02:15:14,800 --> 02:15:17,880 be room for work. But we haven't gotten the same 2785 02:15:17,880 --> 02:15:20,560 the other way. No, that's what I mean. 2786 02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,640 Like prim needs to reciprocate, prim needs to. 2787 02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:25,600 Hire not that well she could now I think she has money. 2788 02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:32,200 Hire A food truck for Bambi. Bambi yeah, I'm also hoping. 2789 02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:34,800 We get kind of that now that Bambi is like going into a 2790 02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:39,080 career that Prim will actually be supportive of Bambi, like in 2791 02:15:39,080 --> 02:15:42,160 a tangible way, not just I'm saying it kind of way. 2792 02:15:44,560 --> 02:15:48,200 Yeah, I will say the. Little Bambi, the deer thing, 2793 02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:51,160 the first thing she got, Bambi was super cute. 2794 02:15:51,240 --> 02:15:52,160 Like, that was adorable. Yeah. 2795 02:15:52,160 --> 02:15:54,600 And she kept it all. Well, all those years in my 2796 02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:56,560 head, it was been years. But if it's only been, well, it 2797 02:15:57,120 --> 02:16:00,040 was only a year. It was a year that. 2798 02:16:00,040 --> 02:16:02,920 Bambi disappeared but they broke up before that so I really don't 2799 02:16:02,920 --> 02:16:06,440 know what the full timeline was. Because they stayed. 2800 02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:09,680 Friends and then Prim just freaked out when baby 2801 02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:12,320 disappeared. So I really don't know. 2802 02:16:13,400 --> 02:16:15,720 If you know the exact timeline like please leave out my 2803 02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:17,600 comments. I'm just we're guessing we're 2804 02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:19,680 just going by those times. Also just. 2805 02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:22,960 As a for anyone listening, if you've read the book, don't tell 2806 02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:24,840 us what's happening. Oh yeah, I know. 2807 02:16:24,840 --> 02:16:26,880 I'm. Going to read it after I watch 2808 02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:30,040 the show but yeah don't spoil the book please. 2809 02:16:30,640 --> 02:16:32,400 If you've already spoiled the books in the comments and you 2810 02:16:32,400 --> 02:16:33,719 made it this far, please delete that comment. 2811 02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:38,440 Or if you see a. Comment that already spoiled 2812 02:16:38,440 --> 02:16:42,959 something please if it's like vague don't say anything but if 2813 02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:45,600 it's like a direct spoiler be like don't read this. 2814 02:16:49,639 --> 02:16:51,799 Yeah. Anyway, all right, so that's 2815 02:16:51,799 --> 02:16:52,799 what I think. It's going to happen. 2816 02:16:52,799 --> 02:16:56,080 I just really, really, really want Bami's trauma addressed. 2817 02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:59,000 Yeah, because. I worry about her. 2818 02:16:59,240 --> 02:17:02,320 A lot and I would I'm still. Holding out for a group therapy 2819 02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:04,360 scene, All right, just like everybody in therapy, that's not 2820 02:17:04,360 --> 02:17:07,280 going to happen. But you know, I can hope you've 2821 02:17:07,280 --> 02:17:08,639 been holding that for a. Real long time. 2822 02:17:10,360 --> 02:17:14,559 But listen, I'm glad we got. At least one therapy scene. 2823 02:17:14,559 --> 02:17:15,559 Yeah. No, I was. 2824 02:17:15,559 --> 02:17:19,799 Impressed by that and by with Evan people. 2825 02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:22,879 I'm very, I mean, she's. The rich girl who pay a 2826 02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:26,920 therapist, but like, I'm evidence that like she goes to 2827 02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:28,719 therapy even though she doesn't go to therapy, you know what I 2828 02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:30,959 mean? So. 2829 02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:33,760 But she. Has in the past too. 2830 02:17:34,959 --> 02:17:35,879 Right. No, that's what I mean. 2831 02:17:35,879 --> 02:17:39,280 They're like, oh, you stopped going meaning, yeah, she did go. 2832 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:42,040 So I do want again, I think the thing with the mom is just like 2833 02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:43,920 Bambi went off the rails. She probably threw her in 2834 02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:48,520 therapy and then Bambi like just fucked off like and like made 2835 02:17:48,520 --> 02:17:51,840 everybody worried and because she was not dealing with her 2836 02:17:51,840 --> 02:17:54,440 trauma for whatever, whatever reason. 2837 02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:59,160 And like, and then I do also, I would really like Prim first of 2838 02:17:59,160 --> 02:18:00,760 all, them to communicate Prim and Bambi. 2839 02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:03,520 I want them also to talk about the trauma because like. 2840 02:18:04,760 --> 02:18:05,680 The. Reason. 2841 02:18:05,719 --> 02:18:10,200 The accident happened is because Bambi was choosing Prim in the. 2842 02:18:10,200 --> 02:18:12,440 Do you remember they have the clips of the fight? 2843 02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:14,040 Like when Bambi's in the bathroom about to take the 2844 02:18:14,040 --> 02:18:17,480 drugs, you hear the. Argument that she was. 2845 02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:20,360 Having with Z in the car, 'cause it's that's what's weighing on 2846 02:18:20,360 --> 02:18:23,280 Bambi. Z was mad because Bambi was, I 2847 02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:25,760 think going to ditch her for Prim's birthday or something. 2848 02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:27,760 She's like, you're, you're keeping this promise with your 2849 02:18:27,760 --> 02:18:28,959 ex. What the fuck is wrong with? 2850 02:18:28,959 --> 02:18:31,280 That's what they were fighting. They were fighting about Prim. 2851 02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:34,840 Yeah, and we haven't. Addressed that either like it's 2852 02:18:34,840 --> 02:18:36,920 not just that like they were having relationship problems, 2853 02:18:36,920 --> 02:18:39,600 like Bambi was like still in love with Prim and like going to 2854 02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:44,120 ditch her girlfriend for Prim. Like we didn't address any of 2855 02:18:44,120 --> 02:18:45,360 that. Like it was just like in 2856 02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:46,760 passing. There's a lot. 2857 02:18:46,799 --> 02:18:48,879 That we need to address in five episodes. 2858 02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:53,240 Yeah, 5 episodes. I know I. 2859 02:18:53,240 --> 02:18:55,120 Know I wish they had another season. 2860 02:18:55,160 --> 02:18:57,160 It's like the chef's so good they could do so. 2861 02:18:57,240 --> 02:19:01,080 Yeah. Yeah, Oh, oh, yeah. 2862 02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:02,760 Wait, other thing. I like another scene that I 2863 02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:05,559 like. That was a very like why I like 2864 02:19:05,559 --> 02:19:07,280 the show because it's not explicit. 2865 02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:14,280 So the scene where it's before Bambi's big Fiona runway show, 2866 02:19:14,280 --> 02:19:15,480 right? And they have the models 2867 02:19:15,480 --> 02:19:18,879 backstage getting ready and that other model is like, I forgot 2868 02:19:18,879 --> 02:19:22,559 her name is hitting on Sasha again when she hooked up with 2869 02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:23,799 it. And I was like, no, we should do 2870 02:19:23,799 --> 02:19:26,280 it again. And then the girl takes Sasha 2871 02:19:26,280 --> 02:19:29,200 into like the changing area or whatever behind the curtain. 2872 02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:32,480 And then the the way it goes is it looks like the girl's going 2873 02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:35,440 to lean in and kiss Sasha and then it cuts away and we never 2874 02:19:35,559 --> 02:19:38,440 know what happens, so. And we never. 2875 02:19:38,440 --> 02:19:41,040 It's never a dress. So it's like it's literally left 2876 02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,959 up to you, the audience, to determine. 2877 02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:44,719 Did they kiss? Did they not kiss? 2878 02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:46,920 That's a good point. We will. 2879 02:19:46,920 --> 02:19:48,960 Literally never know. You're never going to know the 2880 02:19:48,960 --> 02:19:50,360 actual truth of what happened there. 2881 02:19:54,360 --> 02:19:57,560 So I like the they. They do open-ended. 2882 02:19:57,560 --> 02:20:00,960 Shit, maybe, but like, we don't. We will never actually know the 2883 02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,240 answer to that. It's like. 2884 02:20:04,160 --> 02:20:06,360 So I I like the. Show does stuff like that, it's 2885 02:20:06,360 --> 02:20:10,400 not explicit, so then it leaves you to kind of like be like what 2886 02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:13,120 did happen, you know, we kind of have to fill in the blanks a 2887 02:20:13,120 --> 02:20:15,120 lot, which is fun, yeah. And it changes the. 2888 02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:19,000 Story like slightly depending on how you. 2889 02:20:21,000 --> 02:20:21,960 Right. And so like. 2890 02:20:22,320 --> 02:20:25,480 I like this type of story because as the audience, you're 2891 02:20:25,480 --> 02:20:28,480 an active participant in the story because you have to fill 2892 02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:29,880 in blanks. Like you have to. 2893 02:20:29,880 --> 02:20:32,200 And like you said, like depending on how like you can 2894 02:20:32,200 --> 02:20:34,360 interpret that they did kiss. And that will kind of like 2895 02:20:34,360 --> 02:20:37,840 change the context of like later when she's talking to Gloria or 2896 02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:39,480 like I can interpret that they didn't. 2897 02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:42,320 And then like that also changes. So it's like there's multiple 2898 02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:44,920 versions of the story happening depending on like how we're all 2899 02:20:44,920 --> 02:20:46,680 reading it. And so it makes it a very fun 2900 02:20:46,680 --> 02:20:49,600 like, tell me what you saw. I'll tell you what I saw kind of 2901 02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:55,440 show versus like if the show is very explicit and and everything 2902 02:20:55,440 --> 02:20:56,920 and there's no questions, it's like. 2903 02:20:58,240 --> 02:20:59,960 What are you waiting week to? Week for you're like. 2904 02:21:00,040 --> 02:21:01,480 OK. Like, yeah. 2905 02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:04,160 I guess like that was. Cute. 2906 02:21:05,360 --> 02:21:07,320 There's not really much else to. Say about it like it was just, 2907 02:21:07,320 --> 02:21:08,600 you know, they gave us everything. 2908 02:21:09,560 --> 02:21:13,560 So anyway, if you've made it this far, I feel like you also 2909 02:21:13,560 --> 02:21:16,080 agree that girls is very yeah and. 2910 02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:18,400 If you don't like. It so you definitely clicked off 2911 02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:20,080 at this point. I I'm surprised you made it. 2912 02:21:20,080 --> 02:21:22,080 You must like us, which like thank you. 2913 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:23,640 Thank. You. 2914 02:21:23,720 --> 02:21:26,680 For. Making it this far, so let us 2915 02:21:26,680 --> 02:21:29,800 know what you thought of, I guess episode one through 7. 2916 02:21:29,800 --> 02:21:32,200 You might have 8 by the time this comes out or by the time 2917 02:21:32,200 --> 02:21:34,800 we're watching this, but let us know you think so far of the 2918 02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:39,440 show likes just likes your takes on stuff 'cause the every there. 2919 02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:41,360 It's up to interpretation, which is. 2920 02:21:41,360 --> 02:21:45,360 Fun so like what do you think about it and we'll be back to 2921 02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:49,280 talk about the remaining leg of the season like after it 2922 02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:53,560 concludes and eventually the book so and we'll have your. 2923 02:21:53,560 --> 02:21:56,280 Responses of why you liked girls. 2924 02:21:57,440 --> 02:22:02,760 That's right, so let us know and until next time, hydrate for 2925 02:22:02,760 --> 02:22:04,440 lesbian Jesus and get it up all over the. 2926 02:22:04,440 --> 02:22:06,400 Place. 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