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Caitlin, what do you want to start with?
I guess just the first thing I have is about prim and I have
to. Start strong with.
Prim Yeah, OK, because that OK. Prim.
Yeah. It's our first introduction to
girl roles, I believe. And I thought she was so
innocent and like, got the bad end of the deal in the
beginning. And like, boy, did I did we have
it wrong. I mean, we didn't get all the
facts. We didn't.
No, it's classic GMMTV. They're not going to give you
all the facts, which is what makes their shows so great.
Oh my gosh, yes, that is true. But like, yeah, she's like she's
so innocent. She Bambi abandoned her.
She yeah, like she can't be with Gloria because a Bambi showing
up, it's always Bambi's fault, Bambi's fault.
But no, this girl can be toxic in her own right like.
Prim is incredibly toxic. Prim's manipulative.
Prim's my least favorite person in the show.
She used to be, I think she used to be my favorite, but I think
it's only because she was not on.
I thought it is not right. Yeah, no, I was very excited.
I like, I love I so much that I wanted to love her.
As valid. There's a lot of similarities
between from Pluto. But like the way that she really
strung Gloria along for years. What?
It's not just Goria. She does it constantly with
multiple women. Goria's the worst one.
Oh my gosh. I just, yeah, no Prince.
Terrible. And then like, I understand
being like a workaholic, but she literally committed to being
with Bambi on her birthday and then completely abandoned her.
So she's the one who abandoned her first.
And like, kudos to Bambi for sticking up for herself.
You know what actually screw Prim.
Sorry, Prim. I want to get into Bambi because
that girl is a force. And like, she feels like the
most toxic character in the series, but she knows that about
herself. And that's what I actually love
because like. She owns her.
Yeah, she knows, she knows her flaws and she knows what she
wants. Cause like the way that she told
Prim that she wants all the attention and she wants someone
who will give her that. Like like kudos to her for
knowing like she's like, no, I want it to be all about me, but
you're not someone who can give it to me.
So let's end it like I that seemed, that seemed changed my
perspective on Bambi. Really.
I think the reason, so I wrote this, I wrote this in our web
piece article or I talked about that episode in particular.
But like the reason why is because that's Bambi's memory,
OK? Because all the flashbacks we
get of their relationship are Prim's memories.
So it paints Prim as the good guy, 'cause it's Prim's memory
and then you get Bambi's memory. A totally different, right?
So basically I just ate into the hands of the the creators of the
show. Yeah, you fall for these writers
every time I do. I'm just like, yeah, no, there's
more going on here than than, you know.
But but The thing is, like, people are like this in real
life, right? Because Prim convinces is like
has to be the good guy in every scenario, right?
Like Prim is like on a mission, whether she's conscious of this
or not, she like, tries to portray herself as like the good
person, right? So like when it came to the
glorious stuff, I'll get to Bambi's the scene you're talking
about. But first I want to go because
you talk about gory. I want to go back to that really
quickly. So like when they get in the
confrontation with Goria, this poor first love of my life,
Goria, we'll have a whole devotion section of her later.
But when they're in that conversation where she's like,
OK, Bambi's back now. Like was were we ever going to
be a thing? Like Prim doesn't answer her.
Prim just keeps saying like, the timing's bad.
The timing's bad. And then things slip out from
Prim's mouth. Or she's basically like, I
didn't know Bambi was going to come back.
And then so Gory's like, wait a minute.
So like, first of all, you said it was timing.
And now you're saying it's because Bambi's here.
So like, basically you were never going to pick me.
You were always going to wait for Bambi.
But Prim and Prim doesn't. She says it flat out.
And Prim's just like, I'm so sorry and hugs her.
Like she never acknowledges her own flaws.
Like she just has this thing where like either she's like
trying to spare the other person's feelings by being nice,
but that creates toxicity because she's not being
truthful. So it's a form of lying
actually. And so this is where Bambi and
Prim are similar were like Prim lies to like quote, spare other
people's feelings and in effect make herself the good guy in the
scenario. And then but Bambi's just like
lies to the love of the game sometimes and you're just like,
why are you even lying in this scenario?
You're just like, what are you doing?
And but like Bambi also lies to get herself out of stuff.
Like she just lies constantly, but like she knows that about
herself. And like, so like it was really,
it was really interesting to get there.
And it's really interesting to get the breakup scene from
Bambi. Because if you notice that all
the memories that Prim has and the memory she holds on to are
like the happy ones she's always reminiscing about like the first
time she asked Bambi out or like when they first started flirting
and like the birthday cake in the bathroom, Like she remembers
that shit. Bambi remembers the breakup.
Prim doesn't reminisce on the breakup.
Prim's upset that Bambi broke up with her, but she doesn't look
at why Bambi broke up with her. Like notice that Prim doesn't
fixate on that. Prim's not trying to make
herself better. She's just like, Bambi broke my
heart. Poor me, poor me, like, I'll
just wait for her to come back, like kind of thing.
She doesn't go like, well, wait, why did Bambi leave me?
And in that conversation, it was really like Bambi seemed like
the same one in the relationship.
And she was like, listen for him.
Like, this is my birthday. You knew that you took this job.
And then Prim, instead of acknowledging it, What does Prim
do? Prim gets emotional and
defensive and she's like, baby, you know that I'm doing all this
shit and blah, blah, blah. And she's like lashes out at
Bambi. She doesn't have a conversation
with her. She lashes out at Bambi and like
tries to hurt Bambi and Bambi's like, I understand your career
is important. And like truthfully, Prim was in
that stage where like she needs to work a lot to like make it in
the entertainment industry, which is a notoriously
challenging industry, right? And Bambi's like, I understand
that like I do, but I think we're at the point in our lives
where like we are not compatible in a relationship because I need
this thing from you and you can't give it to me right now
because you need to focus on your career and I want you to
succeed in your career. So like we need to go our
different ways and prim's like I'll try, but I'll try harder.
I I'll try harder and then it won't happen again.
A baby's like it's going to happen again.
Like Prim self reflect girl. Like again, Prim's always like
no, no, no, I, I'm the good guy and the prim's like baby's like
girl, we're not. They don't communicate.
That's their issue. Those two do not actually
communicate about real shit until it's too late and they're
in a fight. Like that's kind of like their
relationship. Like notice when they're happy,
it's always like, you're cute, yo, you're cute.
It's that and everything looks fine on the surface, but then
like real shit happens and they don't talk about it.
Like I'm sorry, in the last episode baby's like, oh, you've
never taken me to your house, Prim.
What the fuck? Like Bambi's mom knew Prim and
she knew about her career and knew all these things about Prim
and the but Prim never took Baby home.
That's weird. Like that's weird.
And the Prim's like, no, no, no, because I'm poor.
And Baby's, like, I already know you're poor.
Like, that was not a shock. Like, yeah, like, there's
something weird going on there, too.
And like Bambi, who like very much wants to be in Prim's life,
I imagine had asked. But Prim shut it down.
Oh yeah, probably just not. You know what I mean?
Shut. It down.
She just didn't answer right. Like, yeah, she just evaded it
because like, that doesn't make Prim look good.
So Prim does a lot of self preservation shit in her
relationship with Bambi that like, makes her appear
manipulative in a way. Like she's kind of manipulative
when it comes to Bambi. Like at least emotionally
manipulative. Like any time Bambi like,
expresses her feelings, Prim's always like, Oh my God, you're
crazy. You're bubble.
Like she like does all those weird like.
Yeah. That's fair.
I'm not saying Prim is a horrible person.
She's not a horrible person. The point of girls is that.
Everyone's a. 100 you have characters that are human
beings, you have characters that are humans and humans are good,
bad and everything in between. Like multiple things can be true
about one person. Yeah, like Prim cares about her
family and supports her family and loves her sister, loves her
mom very true. She loves Bambi, but she also
does these other things too. Like nobody's perfect like and
that's why I like the show. There's no perfection doesn't
exist and like they're honest about that in the show.
Can we talk about another moment where I thought was really
messed up on Prim's part? I sure had.
Which one? There's so many.
Well. This one was in six and Seven
where Bambi is trying to be nice and gives her father money.
Well, lends her father money and she goes off the handle and was
like, you don't have to make me happy.
You're not in charge of that. Like don't talk to me or
whatever, Stay in your own lane. I was just like, first of all,
Bambi acknowledges what she says.
She says I'm sorry I didn't know and acknowledges that she just
didn't do something right. But again, she didn't have the
information to know that this was right.
She. Did nothing wrong in the
situation. Prim.
Why? Why didn't she know that?
Prim, you guys have been dating for years.
Why didn't she know? That yeah, it seems like.
That's it. That's that's what I'm saying.
Like this show is not like explicitly showing you shit but
it does through their dialogue to be like Prim and baby don't
talk about things like you can see in their fights like Prim
never told how does Why did Prim never tell her?
That's on Prim I feel. Like Bambi doesn't actually know
prim like at all because prim. Doesn't they don't know each
other, period. Neither of them know each other.
I think that's the issue. Like you look at their
relationship and you're like, oh, they're the stable ones.
I think they are the most unstable relationship in the
show because they don't actually know each other, because they
don't actually talk about things.
Oh yeah, the other two, they just couples have talked.
Actual conversations with each other yes exactly exactly.
And like this is real like some relationships are like this
where like the you can be. It is possible to be in a
relationship with somebody, be in love with them, have fun with
them, but you don't actually know them as a person like they
don't know each other is the thing and it's very apparent,
especially when they fight because that's when the truth
actually comes out from Prim mostly and you're like Prim, how
do we get here? It's because you don't talk to
each other. You guys don't talk.
Oh my gosh, that girl. They don't talk.
That's their issue. And like there's bigger issues
brewing with those two that I'm super worried about.
It all has to go back to Bambi. So like, because again, Prim
does still doesn't really know what happened to Bambi and like
the the dark year where she was gone like and she was mad that
she didn't know what was going on with Bambi, which like you
could read is controlling because she's like, you didn't
tell me what you were doing. What the fuck were you doing?
Bambi doesn't know anything about Crimson, anything you were
doing. And Bambi comes back into your
life and you're stringing along Gloria and then you have
assistants you willingly hire that are clearly into you and
you never tell them no. This is what I mean.
She leads on so many people and then it's just like, what do you
mean? Like and it's like Bram, you
either love the attention. Which yes.
Or like she does, I think she likes the attention.
That's why I think this the airy stuff is going to be
interesting. That character comes in.
Here's here's Brown 3 of Prim doing the same same shit like
again, like you know what I mean?
Yeah, we're literally getting the same exact thing.
The same thing. So I'm very curious how that
goes down. But anyway, it's just going to
be fun to watch. But like Prim keeps doing the
same shit is my point and doesn't acknowledge your flaws.
But anyway with Bambi. So I'm worried about Bambi as a
human being because I I picked it up immediately when we were
watch. I forget what at the first
episode, remember watching the first episode together and she's
bagging Prim's apartment and she's acting crazy and I'm like,
is she on drugs? I she was, she was on drugs.
So Bambi has been using substance abuse for a while and
we've not addressed that really in the show.
So when Bambi gets upset, she was coping with drugs and
alcohol and partying and that's how she comes back into Prim's
life. And notice when she's happy with
Prim, she stops doing it because I think Bambi has this like
addictive personality and where she doesn't actually like deal
with her trauma, she's hiding from it or coping from it.
Because we had one, one instance where she goes to therapy and
the therapist is like, baby, you haven't been to therapy since
you got back. And then baby's like, well, I'm
back now to prove you everything's fine because I have
my girlfriend back so I'm happy. Yeah.
So yeah, she's only going to be when things are good.
But the issue is that you need the therapy when things are bad
so you can actually process what the hell is going on.
Right, so that that is showing us that Bambi is not processing
the trauma. She's the very real trauma she
has been through. OK, so then she's coping by
escapism with drugs, alcohol, partying and Prim.
The other thing is Prim, Prim is like a version of a drug, right?
When she's with Prim and happy, that's a form of addiction.
But what my thing is like when if they get in a humongous fight
and like Prim really crushes Bambi and Prim is like we are
done. I'm worried Bambi is going to
like OD. Like that's what I'm actually
worried about that character. I feel like she's going to go
off the deep end in a dangerous way and like she might die kind
of way because she's not coping and she doesn't have And also
like if you look at Bambi, she really doesn't have a support
system. And that became and I said that
in my episode 6 breakdown. And then it happened in seven
where it became very apparent when her and Sasha were talking
love their friendship, by the way.
Oh yes, So what they're that was one of my favorite scenes, them
talking because it was very revealing of a lot of things.
But in that conversation, you can really see that Bambi and
Sasha both don't have a support system.
They don't have a friendly relationship with their family
and they don't actually have friends like Bambi's.
Like I had a friend and then I fucked her and now we're dating.
So that's I lose my girlfriend, I lose my friend.
That's my one. And like that actually is not
healthy. Your only support system is your
partner. That's a lot to put on your
partner, you know what I mean? That's a lot.
And baby can pay for therapy. She just chooses that to go.
So both baby and prim don't actually deal with real shit.
They just kind of like Prim shuts down and then ignores it
and then baby copes with substance abuse.
Her girlfriend or you know, they both don't deal with shit.
It's kind of like their issue. So then when they have fights,
it's like nothing gets resolved really because they just they
don't, they're not good at dealing with.
So like until they learn to communicate and deal with stuff
and like actually deal with babies past and they're fucked.
Like they're not going to work out in a good in a healthy way.
They're going to be toxic until they deal with that shit.
Oh yes, 100%. That's my take on them.
I think that's very eye. Opening first of all, and I
think you're just right in general, like with the my gosh,
Bambi, yeah, no, I was right. Bambi and Shasha think I feel
like they're both characters who are going after the first person
who gives them what they need. So like Prim gives well, he gave
her attention at in the beginning before work got
involved. And for Shasha, Gauri is the
first person who told her like it is and was real with her.
So like they're both just falling back on like the one
person who gave them what they need first.
So like it to me, these relationships might not stay
because it's like it's just the first person.
Like, they might not actually be into them, but they're into what
they're giving them. I will.
I agree with you. I agree with you, however I
will. There's differences with the
Sasha Goria plotline because Goria also gets something out of
Sasha. So it's like mutual, kind of
like, 'cause remember she, she needs emotional support.
She comes to Sasha when she needs emotional support and that
they express that through sex basically.
And then Sasha also comes to Goria when she needs emotional
support. But like the difference between.
Bambi and Prim and like Sasha and Gori and Sasha.
And Gori have comedy. That's true.
And they actually are getting to know each other as human beings.
So I think that they're a little bit different, but you're I
agree, there's it. That's why I think they're the,
the plot lines they chose to do in the show are extremely
interesting. So one thing I really love about
the show itself is that it's not a romance really, if you really
think about it. So and I think one of the things
going on with the show right now is that a lot of people don't
get the show, OK. And I think what reason #1 is
that people are not used to nuance and complicated stories
because a lot of television is dumbed down, yes.
And this is not a dumbed down television show.
And people, when they say they want complicated characters,
what that actually means is like, you want a human being on
screen, OK? Because human beings are
unpredictable. They're not these simple.
They're not like people are not caricatures.
They're not like 3 traits, You know what I mean?
If you go to like. I don't know the water for
example, that's also great story.
I'm not saying that it's not, but like the characters have
like 3 personality traits and that's kind of it.
And we kind of play around with that because like the main thing
is like the romance that's going on.
So we have to like, kind of like give them traits that are simple
and then let them kind of do their thing.
And that's like most tiger love shows because like, the plot is
the bromance, right? And then like a lot of
characters, their trait is they love the other character.
And it's like, that's not a human being.
Human beings have a lot other shit going on that makes them
more complicated and makes them good people and bad people and
everything in between all at the same time.
And in here you have humans and humans are messy, right?
And so this is not a show that's a romance really.
This is a character focused show.
And really what the plot is, is the interpersonal dynamics going
on with these characters. And really it's about how like
relationships affect people, good, bad and everything in
between. Because a relation, people are
affected not just by the relationship they're in, but
like all the relationships have preceded that also.
So like when you come in and meet like Sasha, for example,
she's a really good example of this.
You first meet Sasha like wow, she's just this like player or
whatever. Like write her off.
She's she's nefarious, she's the villain, blah, blah, blah.
Then you get to know her and you're like, okay, she's lonely
because this woman has no family that gives a shit about her.
She's had her childhood ripped away from her and like is just
trying to like survive and find somebody who gets her.
Like that's where she's at. And then you have Goria on the
other hand, where Goria comes from this really loving,
supporting family, but has never been like loved romantically
because anytime she tries to date somebody, they ditch her
for somebody else. Like, she's cheated on by her
ex-girlfriend. And then Prim, who's strung her
along knowingly for over a year. And Gloria, Wendy Beater is
actively dealing with that. OK.
And so, like, take those two characters, try to put them in a
relationship, then what happens? So that's kind of the show.
They're like, what happens when you, like, kind of do this?
What happens to those characters?
And so, like, it's not so much the romance.
It's kind of like how these characters kind of, like,
interact with each other. And because you put them in
this, like, entertainment industry bubble, it's like
incestuous where everybody interacts with everybody.
Yeah. And it's very, very fun.
And I do love that about the show, honestly.
Yeah, the more you think about the show, too, I feel like you
have to think, yeah, you you have to think like you can't
just watch. You do have to just like sit
with it, which is good. Which?
Is not good. That they're doing weekly
release. Not that Ty girl loves don't do
weekly releases but like. This go for weekly releases
because you need to you need to sit with it and like also the
writers of the show are explicitly like not.
And I think the other frustrating thing that people
don't understand is they're like I saw one thing online where
they were like film was explaining something about Bambi
and like how baby feels and like kind of like her emotional
journey. And one of the Twitter karma I
saw was so weird where they were like, why is it up to this is
bad writing? Because why is it up to the
actor to explain to me all the stuff about their character?
I'm like, and in my head I'm like that.
I'm like. Film is explaining to you how
she was playing Bambi. Yeah, that was her and.
Basically saying you have to interpret what's going on with
Bambi because like that's the actor's job.
They're they're, they, they know what's going on.
They have to show you that the writer is not required to tell
you explicitly what that character is feeling.
The actor has to do that non verbally.
They're also telling you things like I said, through their
dialogue. So you put together what's
happening. They don't have to show you
every single second of these people's lives like because
that's not real life like and also they don't got time for
that. They have 12 episodes to teach
you 3 different. They go through three different
plot lines from six characters. Plus they don't have time for
that. Like you got to put some things
together to like understand them and like it's all there.
Like film is just explaining her.
She was acting like I was like, what is wrong with everybody
here? I also.
Yeah, you have to think that's the point.
I. Also love that they don't
overuse flashbacks to show us like what we just.
Saw Oh my God. Like they just agreed them
thinking what the character. Yeah, like, like, we can tell
yeah, what she's reflecting on. You do not need to show us what
we just saw, even if it was in the last episode. 100%, yeah.
I think the other thing I like about the show is that it's it's
modern filming style and it's like a modern, like television
storytelling. To your point, that doesn't rely
on flashbacks, it relies on the actor showing you their thinking
about. That, yeah.
I which I which like it's better time wise when you don't have a
lot of time to just be like, oh, Prim is thinking about Bambi,
duh, like and you just move on Like we don't have to have the
10 minute flashback of the thing.
We just. Saw honestly you.
Can see that she's thinking for me it's like and we move on.
Pop out for the production being like, OK, well let's just fill
time by putting in a. Flashback by putting in a
flashback, yeah. Because you could easily use
that time to tell something else.
I mean, it also might be a production like issue like that
they couldn't do more and like maybe with budgets and stuff,
but like I feel like they could. I think it's just.
A crush for people. No, I think it's they because
like, it's not like they don't have flashbacks.
They do. They are strategic flashbacks
that mean something and show you something you didn't see
already. And I and they're letting the
actors, who are all very good actors, show you their
characters reflecting. Like that's the actor's job is
to be like, oh, they're reflecting.
Yes, OK, let's move on. Anyway, so I think it's just
like a style choice and I, I'm, I'm, I'm here for the style
choices that they're making both in storytelling and also in the
the directing and all of that, which I'm not.
It's GMMP. I was not surprised by that.
That's why I was waiting for the show.
That doesn't surprise me, but apparently it surprises some
people watching my show. I think the other thing that's
confusing people and the reason why people can't or not dig in
the show is that every single character on this show is
unreliable. So you have a host of unreliable
narrators. You can't trust anything they
tell you because you in in real life, you can't trust anything.
You can't fully trust anybody in real life.
Like people have agendas or people are have defense
mechanisms where they're maybe not fully honest about
everything. Like let's take men for example.
Like men, thank God we're finally getting to her trauma.
She got the cop hit plot line. And so she's not always honest
about stuff because A, she's figuring shit out in real time
and B, you can see she's got family trauma and not, you don't
always want to talk about your family trauma like openly.
You know, you got to be ready for that.
So like she's cagey a lot of times and you can see it where
she holds back. And is not telling the.
Whole truth and that's real life.
Like sometimes you're not ready for that.
So like every single character is unreliable in their own
fashion. So it does, I like this, this
kind of story because it puts it on the audience to interpret
what they're seeing. And some people are very
uncomfortable with that. They're like, no, you need to
tell me. I need to hear it right from the
character's mouth. What's going on?
Like, and some people, and I feel like we've done a
disservice by dumbing down television where that is what's
happening. They're telling you how they're
feeling with words versus letting the actor show you.
And it's like, then people are confused when you get like more
real life human type characters who lie and are cagey and like
things like that. And people don't like that.
But I like that because that's real life and it's more fun,
though I do understand the people.
Who like being told like what's going on like sometimes?
Well, one, you might not want to think too much like that's not
all T VS to be thought about. Two, you could be just like, I
don't like assuming things about people like I just I'm like,
that's why I also, this is totally a random tangent, like I
don't have gaydar. I don't like assuming that
someone's gay just because of certain characteristics.
I just can't do it. Sometimes I don't see subtext in
most times I don't see subtext in shows.
We're working on it. That's why we have this.
That's not why we have the podcast, but it definitely
helps. That's why we have the.
Podcast. It's why.
We have this podcast to help Caitlin figure out something.
Subtext. So yeah.
So it's like. All the valid types?
Yeah, you're valid. It's valid media for.
People so like, that's why there's no show that's meant for
everybody. Like not everyone's going to
like a single show 100%. Claribel.
Kidding. Except Claribel, if you don't
like that. Show what is going on anyway.
No, we're not judging. No, exactly.
Like it's not for everybody. Like it's really not so, but to
sit there and say it's bad writing because they're not
explicitly telling me something, but the actor is emoting exactly
what's going on and or the characters are human and
unreliable. That's not bad writing.
This is actually an example of very good writing.
It's just you're not used to this because it's not the norm,
especially in the Thai girl love space.
The Thai girl love space is a lot more explicit type of not
saying it's bad. It's just more explicit where
you have more like this is how I'm feeling.
Here's the exact flashback of what the character is thinking.
It's a lot more direct to be like, so you're not confused.
This is what's happening right now.
Like the writer is being like very explicit.
This is not explicit. This is very much like you need
to interpret what's going on. Oh, Sasha's giving a weird look.
Think of that way you will mm hmm.
And they just move on and. You're just like what?
What was that? Yeah, it used to.
Be really actually thinking like who we can see what we're
seeing, but like deep down, like what is like their past?
What is? What do we know about this
character? They might not be thinking.
What you think they're thinking right now?
Right. And sometimes you'll never know.
And that's why that's why I like the show because there's, and
that's why we have the podcast, because there's like there's
infinite possibilities for a show like this.
And that's why that's this is the type of show, this is like
Killing Eve to me. This is the type of show that
makes week to week releases really fun because like you
don't know what's going on. And so it makes for good
conversation throughout the week to be like.
Like for example in. Episode 7 Gloria comes over with
Prim to Sasha's house and is like I'm jealous and she tells
Prim who is she jealous of Prim or Sasha?
I have theories but like you don't know and we don't address
it and like you're saying that's just left hanging and you're
just like you are up to you. It's left to us to figure out
what she meant, but. Very fun.
I will. Honestly say that I forgot that
she and not Bambi Prim had a thing so I fully just like yeah
she's she's jealous of Shasha. No there is so much going on.
Is she even over Prim? Like no, probably not.
Let's get into. That first, like now that we're
here, let's talk about that moment because I have thoughts
about that because I think somebody else in the room knew
what was happening and it wasn't either of them.
So first of all, I think this is an action speaks louder than
word situation. So Gloria allegedly is still
getting over prim, which is probably real because like, how
long was that crush? I like year.
I feel like it was years because they were in school.
Yeah. Oh, it's like, yeah, I don't
know when exactly in college Prim and Bambi broke up because
like, they met. I think they met in college.
Her and yeah. They were.
In uniforms. I'm not entirely sure the
timeline of that, but like, it's been at least a year.
We'll just say that because Bambi's been gone a year, right?
So it has to be at least a year, yeah.
Maybe more. Not entirely sure.
OK. So like, that's a long time to
be holding on to a crush for somebody and then, like work
with them and kiss them, which makes it worse for Gloria.
And then all Bambi, Bambi of all P is the X OK, that's a lot.
And like comes in and like throws A Molotov cocktail
basically at Gloria's life. That's what Bambi did.
And then Gloria still has to work with Frim, so she's still
interacting with her, which makes getting over her harder.
And Bambi is flaunting the relationship constantly.
So like that has to be extremely painful for Gloria.
And so I would imagine she's getting over it, but like is
salty about it, which is understandable because Prim also
lied to her so like. It's so I.
Feel like she's still dealing with those feelings but like
they're so complicated and let like the poor girl.
So then Prim, this idiot is like, I need to find Bambi
because I yelled at her and now she's with Sasha because yeah
girl, go get that. Like so anyway.
So then she's like. Trying to figure out where she
lives. And then Prim, who's like, oh, I
know somebody that would know, calls Gloria.
When was the last time Prim called Gloria?
When she did something right, When does?
She call Gloria to be like how are you Gloria?
How are you doing to check in on her?
No, she calls Gloria when she fucking needs something because
Prim is kind of very toxic. Actually feel like a Prim so
poor Gori who knows what that conversation was like.
Gori is like why is she calling me and like maybe she got a
spark of hope and then it's I need to find Bambi.
She probably thought this was. At work or something, right?
My husband at. Work and she's like, I need to
find my girlfriend who's been terrorizing you.
You know what I mean? Every conversation would be
Bambi and glorious horrible. So then what?
But here's the deal. She's trying to find her and
she's like, I think she's with Sasha.
So. She's trying to find the
address. Like Gory could have gave her.
The address, but that's not what happens.
Gory goes with her, OK, goes with her to Sasha's.
OK. Now you could say security and
maybe security knows Goria because like their hookup
situation and sees her and it's like OK, you can enter.
She didn't. Need to go up to the door if
that was the case, like she could have done.
Like, here you go, Pram, good luck.
Bye. And she could have left, but she
doesn't. She goes see for herself what's
going on. So when she says she's jealous.
OK, I think it's. Over Sasha, because then the
door opens and Sasha's looking at this and she does this smirk
at the end when Goria just lets her, invites herself in the flat
like she owns the place and she's like, she's jealous 'cause
she in the prior episode she's like, I know when you're jealous
and Goria's like, yeah, you don't know me.
And she's like, bitch, I didn't need to know you since you were
five to know when you're jealous.
It's obvious, so like. I think that's what.
Was because, like again, the actions speak louder than words.
In that scenario, I'd be like, you didn't have to physically
come here, but you did. Oh yeah.
Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Also. Yeah, jealousy is written on her
face when she's jealous. Right.
So like I think at. That point, the jealousy, she's
not. I think that that scene is
supposed to show us that like Gori is not jealous of her prim
anymore. I think it's I think it's
possible that she's still like, she still probably just want to
see Prim and Bambi because that probably still hurts, you know,
having gone through what she went through.
But I don't think it's about Prim anymore.
It's more about like, why do I keep getting hurt by people?
I'm. Into yeah, you know.
I don't think it's really about Prim anymore, that girl.
Really does get hurt by everyone.
Literally everyone. Literally.
Yeah, I poor Gloria.
Gloria by the end of this better get everything she wants.
She you. Know what I mean?
Protect. Her at all cost.
I didn't think Gloria was going to be one of my favorite
characters in the show, but she is my favorite character.
That I just realized. Well, I think I realized it
before, but. I went into.
This thinking Bambi and Shasha were the worst people on this
planet and I think Shasha is my favorite right now.
Sasha is my favorite. He's been my favorite since the
beginning. I love Sasha.
But again, like I just. Take things at face value and
that's a flaw in my part because there's a lot more to people and
I think that's what the show teaches you as well.
Like you cannot trust that you see on the outside, 'cause
there's so much. Human on.
The inside like they have so much life experience, trauma and
you can never know somebody just from.
How they portray. Themselves because especially a
celebrity yes, that's the. Other thing with Sasha
especially, and I. Love that that's.
Something too, because what you see is not real.
Who they are? Yeah.
And she made that. I like that she made that point
with because she's having conversations with Goria now in
the manager's realm where she's like very explicitly admit she's
like, listen, like the reason I really need a manager is because
like, I don't like talking to people, which is relatable,
relatable. And she's like, and also like
she's like afraid to say stuff. She's like, if I want something
or don't want something, I'm afraid to voice my real opinions
because then people are going to judge me and be like, well,
she's picky. She's this, she's that.
So I let my manager handle it, meaning I can't be myself in
these interviews because I'm going to get judged for it and
I'm in the public eye all the time.
So like you, you can't know Sasha and it's the another she
can't let you know her. And that's the other thing.
Like they were having her and Gloria were having some
conversation with Gloria's like, oh, your life is so perfect,
Miss Model. And she's like, hey, did you
know this shit about me? Like of course not.
People look at like about I had no childhood.
Did you know that she's like, most people don't know.
They look at me and think I'm perfect 'cause I made it in
modeling. But like, you don't know, you
don't know me just the way my fans don't know me.
Just like. How in that the scene in the
first episode where Shasha freaks out because someone's
taking her photo during the photo shoot, like something,
yeah, had to have happened for her to react like you caught.
That immediately you're like something happened in the past
and I agree I she definitely has trauma that's related to the
entertainment industry yeah and like it's.
Very easy to write it off when you first watch it.
Being like she's being controlling, she's just being,
she just knows that she's powerful, she can do whatever
she wants. That's the point.
That's how they wrote it
exactly. But again, there's always.
A reason for that. There's a reason someone, even
if it is that case, like they think they're powerful and
untouchable. There's a reason they're like
that. The people around them might
have caused them to feel like that.
Yeah, enabled it that behavior. But with her, she.
Has no one. So like there is A and then the
way that I think maybe one of your articles brought up the
fact that when she reacted in the gym, I actually don't.
Oh yeah, that's the other one. Yeah, it's the same scenario
when yeah, I want to talk about that.
When Goria's being filmed and Sasha sees it, notice her
reaction, it was a very emotional, like she was
disgusted reaction. So I think that's also being
triggered by whatever the hell happened to her against her
consent. And so she saw it happening and
she protects. And the other thing I really
like about the two of them is that they actually protect each
other if you notice them like she protect like nobody asked
her to do that. She wasn't doing that for for
like brownie points with Gloria, anything like that.
She saw something bad happen to her and like immediately stepped
in and was like in a fist fight the guy like that's how upset
she was. And then in.
Episode 7 when Sasha's up there or her worst nightmare where her
reporters are asking her questions and she has no manager
to step in. She's.
Deer in headlights and what does goria do Goria extracts her
immediately and it's like she's got somewhere to be we got to go
like and runs away with her to get her out of there because
she's like you're uncomfortable and this is your kryptonite let
me save you versus like prim let's go back to prim because I
love you wearing. Obviously.
Obviously Sasha and. Prim are foils for each other.
Like obviously. And notice prim.
Prim, who always has to like, come off as the good guy.
When? Bambi is like berating Goria and
clearly making Goria uncomfortable.
Like in front of Prim. Does Prim do anything?
No Prim. Doesn't help Goria.
She just stands there and like later talks to Bambi when no one
else can see but like. We're that Sasha?
I feel like Sasha will be like Bambi shut the no, she
definitely was there, but she didn't do anything she didn't
like step in like Prim doesn't like protect anybody really.
But like those two like actually like look out for each other in.
Those like moments. With the other person needs that
kind of thing, even if the other person doesn't like it's not
asking you to do it. They just step in and volunteer.
So I do like that about that. That's I mean their relationship
to me of all of them would be the one that makes it because
like there's a lot more going on with them.
It's like the ass backwards relationship where it starts
with sex and then they get to know each other later and then
we're starting to get like intimate moments with them that
are just intimate. Like the hug when they were
dancing. Like that's probably their most
intimate scene to be honest with you, because that was like
emotional vulnerability from both of them.
That was like a reciprocated thing.
So I like the way their relationship is like
progressing. It's really, it's really
interesting the way they wrote it and it's unfolding and it's
very fun to watch. I enjoyed the scene.
Where Shasha is like, well, we got the benefits part, we need
the friends part. And it's like, yeah.
Tell me about. Yourself and like they just
start listing these things and like.
And like being real. Like these are real things about
themselves and now I'm just like wondering, is this more than
Prim and Bambi know about each other?
That's. My point exactly, like Prim and
do Prim and Bambi actually know it?
They're like, we've been through a lot.
It's like, sure, you can like go through stuff with people and
still not know them, 'cause like, here's what was their last
fight, their last fight, promos like Bambi, I feel like I don't
know you sometimes. It's like, I don't think you
know her at all. I think that's the actually the
problem. Yeah.
You guys need to have conversations.
They have. Ideals, idealistic views of the
other person in their head and when they don't live up to that
expectation. That's when they start.
Lashing out at the other person. Yeah, it's almost.
Like I'm in love with there's songs like where I'm in love
with the idea of you, not necessarily you, yeah, kind of
thing, you as a person, you know what I mean?
It's it gives that energy their relationship, but.
You know who has? You know who gets each other?
Prim sister and baby. They seem like they're on the
same page. I'm really into their all their
interactions. Oh my gosh, yeah.
The the the scene at the dinner. The dinner.
Table. That was a really cute being
with them. They were really cute.
They were so funny together. She's.
Like I'll just get a rich. Girlfriend.
And then she's like, yeah, Bambi gets me.
And Bambi's like, that's right. Bambi's all for it.
She's like, yeah, that's what I bring.
To the table. Look, I'm here for money.
That was probably that was probably one of the cutest
scenes. Just speaking.
Of prim sister bipor, right? I think that anything else?
Are you saying bipor? I love, well, Bipor and Crystal.
We got everybody in this show because I brought up that they
would be in the show and yours like they're not in it.
I'm like, oh shit, they're not they.
Are meaning they. Weren't they weren't character?
They're not, but yeah it. Was so great, we got all the.
Pictures showing up in the show, Yeah.
First of all. Yeah, I love that.
We're like, oh, Prim has a sister.
I hope it's Bonnie. And then it was.
And then what's so random? That was really random.
And great. And then with Crystal GMMTV out
here casually flexing that they own the best OST all the time
was my favorite power move in the show.
Not just all the bitches that show up.
It was that specifically, but they're like, in case you never
watched us the series, here's this gem of a song.
We're gonna have Bonnie or Emmy. I sing casually that other
people have. Tried to sing but like.
It's Emmy song. It's Emmy song.
We're just gonna throw that out there.
And I love that scene. Everybody already knows the
song, so it's really meta to see, like all the other actors
singing the US theme song in the, like, crowd.
Oh my gosh. And we got a.
Mob boss and Oat holding hands in the middle of the song I just
love to getting. To hear that song again too, and
seeing her sing it. But yes.
The minute I heard the first note I was like.
We're doing. This Yeah, that's great.
Yeah. It was just such a joy.
I I was in the reaction video. If you watch I my dog was on my
lap and I was just like literally clutching her to my
chest being like, Oh my God. Look, listen, she couldn't
listen, said earbuds in. Not that she would get it even
if she could, but she was just like, what's going on?
Anyway, it was a great scene. Had to be there.
I was I. Was great, but like what a flex.
The fact that they could flex that was fantastic.
Which means it is in the running again for best OST 20. 26 which
is not fair to anybody. Else it happened in 2026 and and
it is a candor it's but like girl rolls version.
It's the girl rolls version. Is there a bad version of that
song? There isn't, so that's not fair
to anybody. Thanks.
That was hilarious and. Can we talk about the fact that
I like Crystal and Sasha's friendship, where these idiots
are just like, oh, you're into that girl.
Let me construct an entire music video so that you can get to act
with the girl you're interested in.
The fact that those two idiots went in on that together and
Crystal's like, I can't act. Are you a performer?
And then she's like, I can't act though, but you could.
How about the stylist? I wouldn't have.
Loved if Prim was like, but you've done all of these music
videos. That's what I mean.
Oh my gosh. The commitment.
To that was hilarious. And the only it stopped.
Poor poor gory in the room and she's like am I only same
person? Being like this is insane.
And we're like all. OK.
Men are just like you're paying us, so I guess we got to do
this. Everyone's just so.
OK with the stylist being in this music video.
Not that she couldn't like also are like the crew getting into
content 100% I was just. It was clearly.
Staged. And like, again, the only person
who's like, this is clearly staged is Gordon, who realizes
that everyone else is like, weird but OK.
You know. Men knew that like.
Men's Observant. I feel like OK.
Question though about. That whole thing though, so they
do the, they do the music. Video so that Sasha can flirt,
which they did not look at all in my opinion.
No, I don't know how. They got.
Anything usable in there? I mean, I know we saw they were
like. They were fighting the whole.
Time, which was it was fun though.
It was fun to watch them fight, OK, But then they were like,
they were going to have a kiss scene, right?
And then Prim shuts it down. Did Prim shut it down actually
because she didn't want a kissing in the music video?
Or is she like I? I did see jealous that.
Sasha gets the girl that was into her and she can't have
that. I don't.
Know like face value, I don't know, she just won't use it.
But yeah, like it could definitely be a possibility that
she just didn't want to see her kiss someone else.
Because she wants. Everything.
I agree. I would, I would not put it past
Prim as the thing because like I don't believe Prim has done so
many things on the show where she says something and then does
the opposite that I don't believe her when she tells me
things. Or when she's saying things.
Like I don't believe her at face value.
I'm like, what do you really mean, Prim?
Because like you keep doing this.
So I don't know that struck. Me as a a weird moment where I
was like feel like you can go other way with this Prem because
Prem you you'd be lying to me. You'd call a baby for lying, but
you would the only other. Possibility would be that she
was like protecting Gloria. Hold on, just let me get it out.
And I know, I know. And.
She was like, she knows that Gloria didn't want to do this
and so she didn't want to make her kiss her.
I don't think that's the actual case.
That's just the other like scenario.
Right. Or Prim in her brain convinced
herself of that I can. Oh yeah, she definitely would
convince herself as the motivation, right?
But it's not the motivation because like if Prim really
fucking believed that then she wouldn't have been like Goria
knows where Sasha lives. Yeah, later on.
Like 2 episodes later. So yeah, Prim's Prim's a whole
ass lie. That's what I'm saying.
But I thought that was if you have opinions on that, I'm
curious because that that was a weird move by yes, that's a good
point. Leave.
It anyway. Leave it in the comments.
OK, people we haven't talked about and we should give love to
as men. And yeah, let's talk about them,
because we haven't. I Well, first of all, I'm very
surprised that men dumped Park in the very first episodes.
Same. I.
Thought that was going to be like, we're going to drag that
out. Yeah, I thought like.
Maybe now we'd be getting into her, getting over him and well,
like I would say episode 5 maybe.
Four or five see, and that's the.
Thing if this, if the focus was the romance, I think that is the
beat by beat that would have happened.
But it's not. It's not the romance.
It's not it's not about Prynne, it's not about proud men falling
in love. It's not about that.
That's not their plot. Line no the C.
Plot. In my opinion, is social
commentary. Like they're the social
commentary couple. Like, 'cause like here's here's
my breakdown. So a plot, for better or worse,
is perfect. For better or worse.
OK, and they're like the friends to lovers to exes to lovers.
Probe. Kind of.
But really their.
Their whole arc is basically about A, it's like a hot and
cold relationship where like the people, they don't communicate
and therefore don't really know each other.
And so like that's what does that relationship look like and
how is it toxic and how is it not?
That's their, that's the A plot. Then the B plot is the reverse
slow burn basically where it starts off with friends with
benefits and then just they're friends.
And then I think it's going. To they're as they become
friends, they're going to get to know each other and then it gets
romantic for real because one of because of all the shit going on
with them and then with Goria and Prim was like the A to B.
Plot. Where like she was heartbroken
by that one and that's affecting the B plot.
And that's kind of that. It doesn't really affect the A
plot because Prim doesn't give me it has the B plot.
It did not affect. It other than making baby
jealous and do crazy shit, it doesn't affect the A plot, just
the B plot which again tells you everything you need to know.
Then the C plot is social commentary, honestly, because
it's the compact plot line. Mainly.
And I what's interesting about the compact plot line here is
it's not your typical compact plot line because it's not it.
I mean, it does it. If you watch Heart Stopper,
Imogene and men would be great friends.
They need to hang out, right? You need to hang out those the
compat plot line. It is where it's like Min didn't
know what was going on and then this like kind of happened and
she's navigating unlearning the compat stuff, right?
That made her stick it out with park for so long, even though it
was clearly terrible and like we're going clearly wasn't.
It was toxic, right? And so she stayed in that
relationship for a long time. And then she meets Prow and then
realizes, oh, this is an actual good person who actually cares
about me, but she's a woman. And so I have to unlearn the
compact stuff, which she keeps saying give me time.
Like I she's going to unlearn her whole life.
Like, that's not, you know, that takes time.
But then now we're getting into the part to be like, OK, there's
also the family shit going on. That's affecting her.
And that's where compact comes from.
It's like learned and it's learned through that's what
she's like. Oh, you gotta think about
society. Society meaning her family, like
her family is like really like will disown you like, you know.
That's a lot to deal with and then?
You have little Prow who's like the baby gay who's very
confident, who's gone through shit herself.
And it's like, I don't want to be in a closeted relationship,
but I'm going to go after the straight girl.
And it's like, what are you doing?
You know what? I mean, it's the definition.
Of closeted relationship correct and it's so it's like.
It's also like that's a very like queer specific kind of like
relationship dynamic too, where you like that's it.
Like Prowl spotline is a very like something only happens to
queer people, you know? So like, that's why I say where
they're the social commentary. Plot.
Which is a lot to put on the C plot, that's true.
You know what I mean? That's a pretty heavy C plot if
you think about it, yeah. And also, like, they seem less
connected to the others, like they're kind of like out in
their own world. I feel like 'cause like.
When you think of Prim and Bambi, they're.
Connected. To Gloria and Shasha, they are
proud and men are just. They're connected by work and
that's it. So yeah.
That's true. They that's true.
They meet. Through work and I guess the
blossom which is. Work related.
Ish because photography, but not really socially they kind of
hang out that way, but I everybody's kind of connected by
work, though. Is is the thing like prim and
baby like prim Bambi. Oh my God, I need like a murder
board. Prim Bambi or like, like they
know Prim through college and then like men and Prim are
friends outside and they started the business together.
But like, are they friends? Their friendship is also fucking
weird. If you look at their friendship,
it is fucking weird. It's not a it's a hot and cold
friendship. Yeah.
You're looking at me like that. But like, OK, like here's OK,
another critique of the show. I'm just going to unless there's
anything else to say about that. Speaking of prim and men, I want
to talk about some shit going on with men.
OK, Because some of the critique from the show is like the
writing around men. And how it's.
Biphobic. So I want to see what?
You think, do you think there's biphobia happening in her plot
line and stuff with her? Offhand, no.
I don't. See anything I would say?
Yes, there is biphobia happening.
OK, so but like. On the character's part or on
the like the production's part? In the I'm.
Talking about in the show, I'm not talking about intentional
nefarious. I'm like is there biphobia
happening in men's plot line like in the show?
I cuz I would say. Yes, well, she just hates the.
Fact that she likes girls at all.
So like. Who's she?
Oh. No, no, no, I don't mean
internalized biphobia. Oh, OK, and has that.
I'll explain what I mean and where this comes from.
So it comes from Prim and men's friendship.
Actually that's where the biphobia is coming from.
So Prim does these off and it happens more than once with all
these offhanded comments about men switching teams.
And then Prim at one point is like, you're the type of girl
who just like dabbles in lesbianism to break break
women's hearts. She basically says something
like that to men's face. And people are like, wow, a man
wrote this. This is some biphobic shit.
And it is biphobic because biphobia happens in queer
spaces. We act like it doesn't, but it
definitely does. It's a huge issue.
And like they, they brought it up right here and I'm like, yes,
now this happens. It's fucked up, but it happens.
A man didn't write this like a lesbian wrote this.
Like this happens. Like this definitely happens.
Oh yes. In In Queer women.
Spaces specifically, yeah, it's fucked up.
But like, that's what I mean. Like that men's the social
commentary, a big social commentary character.
And it's in her friendships too. And so, like, I think like,
that's making it harder for men too, to, like, navigate this
shit because, yeah, she is surrounded by queer women, but
like, she faces discrimination offhandedly from her queer
friends and that happens. Like, it's fucked up and that
happens. OK, That's that's.
Fair. I like that they.
Brought that up with me. That's but but her and she
didn't she didn't have like a back and forth with prim about
it. She just kind of took it, which
like if it's coming out of nowhere, like sometimes like you
freeze up and don't also it's coming from her friend.
Like it's very complicated in that situation to like comment
print would like be like, what the fuck did you just say to me?
Like, you know, So I hope at some point they have a
conversation because I'm tired of Prim getting away with saying
shit like this to her, like with no repercussions.
But like this happens. That's very fair.
Because like it's always about like, oh, you're sapphic now
you're you're a lesbian. Like even with parks.
I mean it makes sense with park but being like but it's very
similar. To what Prim is doing.
That's the that's the comparison.
Yeah, it no, it it is like he's doing the same thing.
They're trying to put her in a box.
Versus if you go back a few episodes when again, Prow and
men actually have conversations when they're talking and Prow is
like, well, like bisexuality exists.
And then Min thinks about it. It's like the what is it the
Delphine from Orphan Black moment where she's like, wow, I
never, I know this exists. I never thought about it for
myself, but yeah, that is a thing.
And like then Min reflects and she's like, yeah, you know, I
have had like attraction to women before and I just never
thought anything of it. And like, maybe that's me.
Like maybe I'm just on on the spectrum.
I'm not like versus she talks to proud and proud.
I was like, yeah, no, a guy once was like, date me.
And I said fuck no. And like, that was it for me.
I knew women only for me. But like, maybe you're
different. They're the only ones who've had
that conversation. OK Meanwhile, everybody else is
like, oh, you're a lesbian now. And it's like, yeah.
Why are you? Trying to put.
Like put her in a binary like, yeah, it's always, you know
what? I mean like.
Right. So like it's.
Also like showing that there there is discrimination even in
queer spaces. Like yeah, it exists.
It definitely does. Like we see when Park does it,
you're like, oh, that's evil. Like he's just being
manipulative. He's being cruel to her.
But when we see like Prims is being hidden under the guise of
being friends and just being friends joking.
Right, right. But it it doesn't make it just.
Both are her fault. Two men.
Yeah, I agreed. Right.
So. Like the?
Critique of like a queer person would never write this.
That's flat out false. This happens in real life in
core spaces like. And The thing is, we're not used
to seeing it on TV coming from queer people because.
We don't ever talk about. Our own fucking problems.
We like to pretend we're the morality, like we're the virtue
of a virtue of morality in our own stories.
But like, we suck too sometimes. Like, you know, like, yeah.
So kudos to girls for like actually bringing that up
because that is an actual fucking problem It.
Really is, but. Prim has suffered no
consequences for that, and that's the part I don't like.
But like, Prim isn't suffering. It's complicated.
No, exactly. Right.
That's that's what I don't like. But like, you know, so people
get away with everything, you know?
Yeah, that's I was frustrated. By that's how people get into
power. Let's.
See. Exactly.
Oh my gosh, yeah. You knew where I was.
Going I hate that you went there.
But you are you are fine, correct?
Anyway. But yeah, I like that they gave
a lot of depth to men. They didn't just do the thing
where like. You know this is.
Actually an ensemble show where you don't just have side bitches
who are there to prop up the main characters or like side
bitches. They get like 3 minutes of
screen time and like have no personality.
Like Made in Prow actually have shit going on I would imagine.
I think that Prow is probably the character that gets like the
least but like she's like the second in the C plot.
So like it makes sense time wise that they're going to focus on
her the least. But like she still has a back
story. We've seen her interact with
roommates, like she's moving up in her career.
Like things are happening with this character.
It's not that she's like stagnant or like her like mostly
she's in scenes with men, but like.
I would like more. Proud scenes, but like I under I
understand why she gets the least because she's like the
second in the sea plot. So I I get it, I do.
And to your point, she's the most on the periphery out of
everybody. Yeah, because she's the.
Least connected to everyone. She's the one who keeps getting
brought in last minute to these shoots.
Yeah. And like, yeah, she doesn't have
history. With anybody either or like any
other connection outside of work to your point, so it seems.
Like they're going like classic. Story of.
Out lesbian dating a closeted queer individual because like
she's like no it's fine I'll. Like we don't have to.
Tell anyone until you're ready in this, but like eventually
she's going to get tired of that.
And that's what we see in the preview for Episode 8, because.
Like eventually. It's gonna be exhausting.
It's gonna be exhausting her not being able to be herself when
she is fully herself 24/7. Like she that she's a fiery
thing. She sticks up for what she
believes in, she fights for. She will fight anyone.
She's ready for fighting. She is like seeing her not
fight, but like verbally fight the police officer being like,
you're doing nothing. Oh my God, that.
Scene yeah, that was and like. You see the dynamic, not dynamic
but like the differences in the reactions of the two of them.
Prowl is more fiery and like direct and emotional about it
while Men is just reserved and just going over all like the
facts and being like. Kind of like I don't know if
undercut. Or backhand like her comments
like she. Yeah, so.
The The thing is with that scene is that also other great social
commentary is like violence against women and how it gets
dismissed. 'Cause they're like, oh.
You knew him so you guys could just talk this out.
Why are you reporting this to us?
And then Prow being like, why do we have to wait for something
horrible to happen before you fucking do something?
So like this isn't a real problem with women in domestic
violence. So before they even get into
that. Part the way the police officer
asked what's your relationship? You don't even know that.
Right, 'cause he can. Be like, oh, you're just
jealous. This is nonsense.
That's what they're they want to do.
They want to dismiss this and not do anything 'cause that's
what happens in real life. Women's problems get dismissed
and that's what they're showing and I like that.
But to your back to your point, the reason you get Prow who's
very fiery and like off the rail, not off the rails, but
like more aggressive about it versus men who's taking it in
and realizing this man is not going to do anything is because
their ages. Prow is young and she's
optimistic and she's more like idyllic about what should happen
about this, whereas men's been around the block and she's like,
no, he's not going to do anything.
This is a waste of ever raised time basically.
And that's why she gets up. And she's like, women have to
take care of ourselves because you're not going to fucking do
anything. Just write the report because
you weren't going to help me to begin with.
And then she just laughed. But like the thing that she got
out of that conversation was like Prow cared about, was so
worried about her and cared about her so much in that scene
that that made her upset and like she was willing to like
fucking find a police officer for her.
Like that's what men actually got out of that.
Like the police officers not going to do anything.
I think men knew that was humor and proud and was also kind of
like probably emotionally dazed and stuff from like.
Her bitch ass ex-boyfriend. Yeah, I mean.
Talk about someone who's actually.
Like for her? That's not the right words.
But like, on her side, fighting for her rather than supporting
her. Yeah, Supporting.
Thank you. Rather than Park, who I only
assume because we don't get many scenes with the two of them.
Thank you. Yes.
Yeah, don't really want. Those we get the picture who
probably just took what he wanted from her and just gave
nothing in return controlling her.
Yeah, she was a possession to him.
He controlled what she wore when she came home, like.
Right. And so like.
To be fair to me, so The thing is like proud love.
You but. Like, you knew this about men.
Like you knew men was in a bad relationship.
OK. So like, people need to heal
from that. And you've seen her cry over it
where she's like, it's not that I'm sad about him.
It's just like I'm grieving this relationship that had its good
moments too. And like, to men's credit, men
gets over that like min processes the grief of the
really goes through the stages of grieving for her relationship
and the happy moments that existed.
But she moves on. Prim doesn't move on from the
happy moments from her toxic relationship and she just jumps
right back into it without fixing anything.
So there's a difference there that's comparable.
But I love the thing like Prow sees this.
I'm sorry, no, it's. I just love that they did show
that she was upset and like grieving those good moments
because just because someone is abusive to you.
There are. Good moments or moments that you
thought were good. You you convinced.
Yeah. Convinced yourself that we're
good. That made you stay there.
There was a reason. Yeah.
So I do like that aspect. Yeah, and that's that's the
other thing, like Girl Rules was marketed as a this is about
toxic relationships and it is. And it and like, remember like
when Prow and men were in the gallery and Prow has that and
they're alone. And she's like, tell me about
this picture, like the the concept.
And basically Prow was like with the backs and she was like,
well, this woman isn't, it wasn't a toxic relationship.
And you can see the physical scars on her back.
And then Min was like, well, why did she stay in the
relationship? And proud was like she felt she
was scared that nobody else would love her.
That's basically what Min was going to, right?
That's why we're having the conversation with Min to make
the so you could make the comparison without Min saying it
because she obviously is not going to.
So yeah. So it goes to show you that like
even in like even in toxic relationship, like why do people
stay in them? People stay in them.
Like why, like willingly and there's all a host of reasons
like Prim and Bambi, like they, they have their they're the
they're look at them, they're why do they stay together?
They have their happy moments and Prim clings to them.
So does Bambi. Bambi's like I'm upset about my
dead ex-girlfriend. I need happiness.
Prim, you make me happy, make me happy right now.
Like that's their, that's what's going on with those two, you
know? And so but Min gets past that,
OK, and then she has to deal with the fact that she's having
a sexuality crisis on top of that, OK.
So she has to navigate that and not just like the fact that
she's having new feelings that are different, but this could
change her whole life particularly.
With her family stuff. And so she keeps saying like I
need time, like I need time 'cause like this is a lot, like
I need time and proud I think is like, OK.
But. Also is this.
Going to take for her. It's like girl, like you can't
put it like a time stamp on that.
Like she doesn't know like it is this is the first time she's
dealing with all this shit like, you know, so like you can't
really get mad at men. But the The thing is like it's,
it is 100% OK for proud to be like, listen, I do not want to
be in a closeted relationship. I'm going to walk away.
From like Bambi, where Bambi's like, now is not the time for us
to be involved romantically. Maybe like, let's take a step,
maybe let's take a step having let men deal with men's stuff.
I yeah, I think and maybe we'll pick this.
Up later or not like. Yeah, I think that.
Prow has been trying to convince herself that she's OK with this
relationship and she's. Not right because 100% she
always. Was trying to cross the line.
First of all, she always continues to like try and like
out their relationship. But like.
Girl. I was mad at her when they were
men's, like we are at work, yeah.
And then Proud gets mad. Because like, and I think that
The thing is though, it's really just a prow is escalating this
because she's frustrated and won't say it because she doesn't
want to. Lose men.
But she's unhappy and that's why she's escalating it into like
scenarios where you're like you were at work and man's like
we're at work. Like man, man is saying is
rational. She's like we're at work.
This is not AI. Don't I'm not into you thing and
I'm ashamed of you. This we are at work like.
And probably. But there's lesbians everywhere.
It's like we're at work. Like, that doesn't matter.
Like. But I think that's just showing
that she's getting desperate because she's unhappy.
Yeah. And.
Which is understandable. But also like it's toxic.
Tries to set a. Boundary and like if the
boundary is not compatible what you guys want like?
Yeah. And I think maybe they're.
She's scared of that. And that's like the scared of
the truth of that, which is fair.
Like, it's a very fair human way to go about this and like, make
it messy because like what you want and with the reality,
you're at odds right now and I think proud.
Understands that, but. Doesn't want to acknowledge it.
She's in denial about it. I think a bit.
Yeah, yeah. And so.
In the she's going to have to accept it at some point and then
like I think they're going to have to go their separate ways
while Min figures her shit out, which is OK, I think personally
I think. Proud needed to back.
Off. From like the.
Beginning because she was coming on very strong.
And forcing. Men into a relationship in a way
and. When like and for.
Like again, I think she was just fully trying to convince herself
she was OK with the closeted relationship when I don't think
she ever was. She's a very this is.
What you get? Person and like fully like,
lives her life open. Yeah.
Right. It never.
Seemed like she was going to be happy in the closeted
relationship so I was like but. Maybe we should.
Let men process what she's feeling first.
Correct. Because.
Processing. That in a relationship is going
to be a lot harder than coming to terms with her sexuality
first A. 100% and. That's like it.
But this is something that happens again, with like
bisexual women and like, like not experimenting with like
exploring this for the first time and even queer, like queer
people who like kind of get into relationships early while
they're figuring their shit out. Like it's like with Bambi and
Prim, the Bambi and Prim thing, what Bambi said, she's like, I
had a friend who understood me and then I decided to date that
friend. And then when I lost the
relationship, I lost the friend. So I feel like that's also
happening with Min and Proud because again, who does Min talk
to about this stuff? She talks to Proud, not Prim,
because Prim's an asshole to her.
I'm like, what is their friendship really?
Because like I feel like Min can't really talk to Prim.
I don't feel like Prim can talk to anybody.
It's not even just Bambi. Like she doesn't confide in
friends either in a real way. And like it's always about.
Her, but in a way that she wants people to know her. 100% yeah,
she's. More concerned with how she's
presents herself to people than like what is going on.
Like because like their relationship was a lot of like
teasing each other and stuff, but like it's never like.
Real they don't. Really, how do they get a
business up? And running.
That's what I don't. I don't understand.
I don't know, but I don't know. I don't know.
Like again, we don't get a ton of scenes, but I just get in the
vibe that like. They don't also.
Really talk about things and I, I don't know if that's coming
from men or prim or both maybe. But like the point I mean I'm
making though, is that like in when proud and men break up?
Because I feel like that's the head, Yeah.
In their future they need space from each other kind of thing.
Who the hell men going to? Talk to.
I mean, Prow also doesn't seem to have a support system.
She's a sister but like. What's their support?
Systems look like because they don't really super seem to have
what like Prow had a roommate, but then the roommate was like,
I'm in love with you and probably this is weird.
I don't I'm not in love with you.
And we see her in the next preview.
So I don't know how what the hell is going to happen here
with like, who do they turn to when they can't?
Talk to each other. About this stuff like now what?
Because you lose the friendships in jeopardy also, which makes it
more complicated. That's a great question.
And like. Yeah.
And I think that like that. That complication?
Because again, a plot, C plot, both have that in common.
I think in the B plot, Goria was afraid of that.
She was afraid of like an attachment.
And that's why she was like, we're we're nothing to each
other. This is sex and this is nothing
else. And then over time.
Sasha's the one who's like. Yeah, but the friends part, and
I think Gory is afraid of the friends part because when you
lose the romantic partner who's also your friend, you lose the
friend. And I think that Gory is afraid
of, like losing people in a way. And now she makes sense.
If we're attached, then I have some.
We have. I have something to lose now,
you know? Yeah.
So she's. Trying not to get close to
anyone so she can't actually lose.
Correct. Again, she can't lose people.
Yeah, and it's like, despite her best efforts, Sasha is so
fucking persistent. It's happening against her.
Will. And boy, did Sasha.
Try She's tried so hard to be her friend, like doing the
shopping with her. Oh my God, that was hilarious.
But like. As I mean, they bond during
their scenes, like they actually have bonding moments where they
get to know each other. And that was another moment in
that scene with the shopping where they're going through the
clothes. Where?
Gloria kind of had that moment where she's like, I think this
is more than like. Her trying to sleep.
With me kind of thing because like what the the lady comes by
and she's like, those are my clothes now And Gory's like what
the fuck? I was, I was talking to her for
three seconds. Those are mine.
Sasha jumps in and she's like, I'll buy them from you.
And then Gory is like, what the fuck did you just do?
And then Tasha says the line, if you want it, it's yours.
And then goes back to look at their clothes.
And like Gloria stares at her for a while and it's kind of
like, cuz again, like she doesn't really have anybody in
her corner that stands up for her.
My point about her and Prim is like, what the hell was their
relationship all this time? Because like, Prim doesn't seem
to actually like, support Gloria.
Like, like, do they have conversations that she check in
on Gloria? Prim doesn't give.
I don't think Prim's that friend.
No, You know what I mean? We Gloria.
Reaching out to her. In each time hoping.
That there would be an opportunity for her to be with
her. Right.
And I think. That their conversations are
about work or prim. I don't think they're about
Gloria, You know what I mean? So I don't feel like Gloria's
getting support that she needs out of that relationship.
Like like to the point where like Sasha's like, I'm going to
fight for you. That's basically what Sasha's
always saying. She's like, I'm just going to
fight for you. We're not that you want it.
It's yours. You're my friend.
There you go. Like I think that like they,
they are actually forming a friendship where they like look
out for each other because I don't, I don't think Gloria had
that. And I don't really super see
that. In her other.
Relationships that she has with, like, platonic or not like.
So I think that that's a unique thing that's happening in the B
plot. Is, is the way they look out for
each other. Like, really.
Yeah, like. Not.
Expecting anything out of it, there's like, I was just looking
out for you kind of like. Part of it, it's like that's.
The right thing to do, but also I care about you.
Right, the actions. Are saying that.
And there's like, not and. Like when Sasha did that, there
really wasn't an expectation attached to that.
She's like, my friend wants this.
What do you? Want for?
It because like when the lady agrees she's like I will only
take what she wants, what my friend wants, give her what she
wants, you're my friend you will get what you want kind of thing.
I really do love her. I love them so.
Much I love their relationship. It's so fun because it's like
it's ass backwards. But like they're that with them,
you actually get to see a full relationship forming.
Like yeah, kind of thing. It's just backwards the way it
goes versus like Bambi and Premier thrown into a
relationship that where they broke up their back together and
nothing's really changed and they still have to navigate
this. And then in the C pot, like they
kind of fall in love real fast, but then like they their issue
is their relationship because it's cop head, right?
So like it's it's interesting storytelling that the B plot is
like the most. I think the.
Closest thing to a traditional romantic plot line is like
theirs, you know what I mean? Where it's usually like they
meet, they fall in love, blah blah, blah blah.
It's kind of that, but it's like backwards the way they're doing.
It's the enemies to lovers. Thing.
Yeah, kind of. Again, versus like Prim and
Bammy have an established relationship that's like trying
to put itself back together, which is not a typical, you
don't typically come into a story that's doing that, you
know, and then the compat plot line kind of thing.
So they're they have a very interesting, the B plot is very,
very interesting. Do you have anything else?
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No, OK, I'm done. OK, some something else I want
to say about the show is that film is acting her ass off as
Bambi and must be having a great time playing Bambi.
I imagine she's probably a super fun character to play 'cause
she's so unhealthy. Like literally you could.
Just do like the most ridiculous things and just be like Bambi.
I mean OK, that cake scene is iconic the way that she was
hilarious. Licks the icing and then gives
them the middle finger. Well, glorious.
The finger. Finger.
And apparently. That's a film thing.
Like that was all her. That's what I heard at least.
And like girl that. Was hilarious added.
So much to it, that was amazing. That was fucking hilarious.
No like it has like. That's a character I would
imagine that would be very fun to play as an actor just 'cause
you get she gets to do so much as Bambi.
Like she's not reserved. She gets to just be off the
walls. She gets to come in and.
Ruin on her mother's fashion show which something has to be
going on with her and her mother.
Seriously, like her mother's the.
One who sent her away to school so.
What was going? On that she got sent away first
of all. And like.
I mean. I have thoughts, but yeah, would
you like to share them? Or later I think this all.
Stems back to the Bammy is not dealing with her trauma shit so
like. One thing we.
Don't know about baby is like her dad, like when did he die?
Like we don't actually know OK. And so we don't know how close
they were and how that affected Bammy.
And then Z happens where she breaks up with Prim and then
starts secretly dating this other person, and then this
person dies. Because of Bambi.
In a way, because she was fighting in the car with Bambi
when there's a car, luckily we didn't see the car accident, but
there's always a car accident. It's always a car.
Always. Tiger loves.
We have to have my. Trama loves it so much we.
Must have that. We that must happen.
OK, but like it's indirectly related to Bambi, the actual
death because she was in the car with her and fighting with her
and like that's when the accident happened.
So like as Bambi like you can see how she would internalize
that making like, Oh my God, I killed this person.
Like potentially she could think that not that she was like, Oh
my God and drove the car off the road or whatever, but like she
was involved in the events leading up, which just just like
Pluto, she was involved in the events that led to the death of
a car accident film. It's typecasted, I guess.
Anyway, So baby had to have like, internalized something
very negative, OK, in the relation to that person's death,
OK. And then I imagine kind of like
went off the rails. Like, you see her substance
abuse, the partying as the coping mechanism.
And I feel like that escalated. Like she was clearly doing that
when she was dating Prim because Prim's like, you were so famous
at our high school, our college bars, that people knew you by
name. And I had to pull you off the
tables and like, you know what I mean?
She's already a party girl. But then I feel like it got
worse because she was doing what we saw her do in the series,
where she's doing substance abuse and partying.
And like, I don't want to go home because I think she doesn't
want to be sad. She just is trying to fill the
void of this trauma with like, artificial happiness.
And I think her mom got sick of it and was like, what the fuck
are you doing? Like you're ruining your life,
Like. And so I think she got her out
of the environment being like, maybe she needs a new place.
So she sent her away from Thailand.
Hoping that would help. And then Bambi just fucked off
because she never dealt with the trauma.
I that's I think that's the root of it.
And the mom, I don't think knows what's really going on with her
and it's just seeing her daughter go off the rails.
And then when they try to have conversations, what's the
conversation like? Bambi's like, I won't ring
baby's like an asshole about it. And and she's guardian, she
doesn't like. Actually.
Yeah, she. She doesn't.
Exactly. It's a defense mechanism.
But she doesn't in good faith have conversations with her mom.
She's just like, you just don't want me to ruin your reputation.
And that's what this is about. And like, she deflects and
doesn't like Engage. So I think that until she learns
to communicate like Prim, we're not going to solve that.
But like the mom, I think in the last episode where Bambi's
taking the Fiona thing seriously again, why is she taking it
seriously? Because she's happy.
Because she has Prim. The trauma doesn't exist.
Now everything's good. It's almost like a manic
depressive person, right? Or she's on her high, man, the
happy manic. She's like, oh, this is great.
And then when she gets depressed, it's a whole other
story, right? So I think the mom sees that
she's taking the Fiona thing seriously and she's like, OK,
but you like, this is great, You did all this, this is good.
But like you have to take it seriously if I'm going to sink
millions into this. And then baby gets defensive and
walks away and it's like. Like thing like.
It's getting like, it's like mom's like I see a change in
you, but like. Have you really changed?
I think that's what that conversation was really about.
Like, have you really changed or is this like, Yeah, and also
are. You on the up.
Because you're on your happy drug like, you know, and for the
mom, like. She's seen her grow up and she's
seen this pattern from her daughter over and over.
It's hard to think that like to see her any other way because
like history says that it's a cycle.
Baby, you said it. Right, I like.
Going in circles, meaning she does cyclical behavior and so
like it's to your point, it's very understandable as her
mother to be like. But have you?
Changed because I've, I've seen this film before and I know how
it ends, like with you and. And you're not.
And again, baby's not in good faith talking to her.
So you're like, you're not showing me that like you are
serious. Like a fully serious, you know,
Yeah. So.
I feel like that, you know, I don't know what they will or
will not resolve by the end of the show.
This could be an open-ended type of story like, and I'm OK with
that, but I would be very curious to see if they ever have
a direct conversation. Yeah, like Will.
Bambi and. Prim ever learn enough about
having conversations to like have the resolution with not
just their relationship but Bambi and her mother.
There's another one I would really.
Like to see more scenes between her and her mom because that has
been such like it's been in the background, but it's yeah come
into play a couple Times Now that I would like to just see
more of. What's provoking?
Both of them because there's something like even when they're
in the same room, like they butt heads.
Yeah, it's just. There's unspoken shit between
them, is the problem. They need to talk like both of
them. They need to go to therapy
together. Yeah, maybe everybody.
Needs to be in therapy. And we say this a lot, but I
think like if there was a show to do that, I think it would be
this show. Could you imagine these
characters in Group therapy together?
I Bambi and. Prim need to be in therapy of
all the couples they need to be in because they don't know how
to communicate. They just don't.
They don't actually communicate with each other.
I wonder that is. Their problem?
I wonder. If there's a chance that Bambi
will continue to go to therapy and if the therapist would be
like, why don't you bring Prim in for one and.
Bambi. Would be like OK wanting to show
her like this happy relationship that she has and then she like
completely makes opens up all the damn like I would I would
love to see them love. That cause like that could be
the. Catalyst of them actually
getting to the root of their problem communicating.
Right. And then we bring mom in and
yeah, 'cause that that I think that is the root of all.
Everything surrounding Bambi is like communication and like her
trauma not being processed and people not actually knowing.
Cause like Pram would not know about the trauma if.
It if she didn't. Go seek it out 'cause like she's
like, yeah, yeah, Bambi will tell me when she's ready.
But then Prim went and sought it out.
So again, Prim lies constantly. She's like, yeah, you know,
Bambi will tell me. No, she goes and finds it.
But like, she wouldn't have known about Bambi's not telling
her. And then Prim doesn't bring it
up either, 'cause I think Prim in a way is like, I'm going to
protect Bambi from her horrible past by just making her happy
now and I. Was like, girl that's a.
Band-Aid Bambi is not OK. Like Bambi is clearly not OK.
Like she's very traumatized and needs help that you can't give.
She needs actual therapy and she needs to take it seriously.
Like, 'cause she's not OK. That's what I mean.
I think she's one fight with Prim.
Like really devastating break. They didn't give a break up like
Bambi. I'm very concerned Bambi is
going to like, I mean, overdose. On drugs, like I'm very you saw
how devastated she was that the fight with from the dad thing,
like she was just I was, I was. Worried it's going to happen
there. I'm like, oh shit, Bambi's going
to be in the hospital in the next episode 'cause like, I
think she's going to go off the rails.
But like, look, what did she do? What was her response?
She probably did substance abuse, went to the bar, found
Sasha. Yeah.
She went right back into that. Pattern and like.
Tried to sabotage. She was definitely drinking not.
Substance abuse the relationship.
Goes right back to as well by. Kissing.
Sasha, which I. Still can't believe?
Happened, but I'm proud of her for stopping it.
I can because that that's showing a little bit of growth
for her, because Bambi would have just immediately done that,
sabotaged everything. But this time she.
Actually was like, no, I can't do that.
Here's here's the thing. About that scene OK here's
another thing I love about the that scene and why I think this
show is unique because in because the way you're framing
it, it's almost like Bambi doesn't want to hurt Prim and
she she stopped it because of the relationship with prim and.
I don't think that's true at. All in any other in any other
show, I think that conversation after Bambi stops kissing Sasha
would be like, I can't have a girlfriend like and I can't do
that to her. But that's not what Bambi says.
Bambi says like maybe she kisses Sasha because she's like, I
don't want to think right now, which is like valid, right?
That's why she's doing the drinking.
That's why she's doing the partying.
That's just her coping mechanism.
So the next step in the coping mechanism is like, OK, you seem
to care about me, so let me distract myself with like you
like, take. That's what Goria came to see
her. She's like, take my mind off of
this. Do your thing.
And so she kisses her and then stops it and is like, you know
what? I don't want.
To ruin another friendship by making this romantic, that's
what she said. She's like, I want somebody who
gets me and will support me and I don't want to blow that up
because I think we have that. She made it about herself, not
the relationship with Prim. And that's why I like the show
because it's character focused. It's about that was a scene
about Bambi and Sasha as individuals and that was her
motivation. Her motivation is I need this
for like I need a friend. That's why I'm not doing this.
I'm not doing this because of my relationship.
I'm doing this because I need a friend.
And I love that because that's so real like that that she's
like, this is a moment about me. I'm hurting and this is what I
need. It's and like Prim threw me,
shoved me. This also like Prim doesn't
really like apologize for what she did the other person who
apologized. Was Bambi and I was surprised
when she said I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah.
So. And then, like, there's a whole
discourse about, like, that was cheating, and Bambi's a terrible
person. They're all terrible people.
People are good and bad and everything in between.
Like, duh. And like, yeah, it was.
You can say it is. But like, again, the scene was
not really about getting back at Prim.
It wasn't really about like, you know, it was about Bambi falling
back. And like, again, the Lioness hoe
that she is, she's like, people don't change Sasha.
And then like here she is actively changing and seeing the
fucking scene. Where she's.
Like I'm going to break the cycle of like fucking my friends
because I need friends which so. I do love their friendship and.
I love their friendship and I like the conversation that
they're having too, where Sasha's like, you can't keep
trying to change yourself for Prim because it will never end.
You need to change yourself because you want to change
that's. Why I love that?
Whole scene because the whole scene is about Bambi and that's
so true. Like that's another reason like
toxic relationships continue because like people try to for
like prow and men, right? You try to force yourself into
being something you're not. Which prow is closeted?
And like it's event like. You're not going to be happy and
it's going to blow up and be worse, which is like what's
going on with them, right? So Sasha's like, don't do that
because ultimately you're not going to be happy.
You're just it will never end. Prim's going to just need you to
change and just keep changing until you're what what she
needs. Like you should change because
you're ready and you want to. And so in that scene, Bambi
makes the active choice to be like, I need to change my
behavior because I want to, because I need a friend.
So I love that that whole scene is probably one of my favorite
scenes on the show. It's such a good one.
Like there's a lot going on tonight.
It's just their conversation and also like power of platonic
friends, which is part of relationships like and I love
the Sasha being the cheeky bass that she always does.
She's like, you know what? We're too similar to date
anyway. Like it was just so true.
Could you? Imagine they would drive each.
Other crazy like they would they'd be.
Constantly cheating on each other.
They would with other people. They're trying to on top each.
Other all the time I was just not.
It's not going to work the the the two of them would just be.
Trying to make the other one jealous I feel like.
No, I mean it would be. Very fun to watch them trying to
and just like the mind games that would try to play with each
other would be wildly entertaining, but like it would
never it's not going to work. No, but I was showing.
You some people. Here's the deal some.
People like games. You know who likes games?
Gloria? She says she doesn't, but she
does. That's why she keeps coming
back. That's why she keeps coming
back. She's never having more fun than
when they're verbally sparring at each other.
She likes that. Because she keeps coming back.
She does. She keeps coming back.
And also something else I noticed with Speaking of
typecasting, why does love keep getting typecasted into roles
where the character has a kink? I'm not shaming anybody.
I'm just saying she, her character always has some kind
of kink going on. Like remember in whale store
Meow Nam had the praise kink? Oh yeah.
OK. Gloria has a degradation kink
because and Sasha points it out because she's like, girl, what
happened to you and your childhood to where like you get
mad when I'm nice to you, but like you like it when I'm mean
to you, like you know what I mean?
She has a kink girl, just go with it.
That's really true. She does.
Just go back and watch the show. She definitely does.
I was that poor girl. In her trauma.
No, I know that. I'm not mad.
At it. I'm just saying it's just
happened twice with her with her characters.
Which really makes me laugh. But anyway, something any other
any favorite scenes that you have?
That one's probably one of my favorite scenes.
That one between them Favorite. Scenes, wild scenes is.
Bambi. Announcing Prim as her
girlfriend at the event. That was.
Insane. Yeah.
Like so we start the episode again.
So you know what's? Going to happen.
They don't communicate like. Bambi needed to let him in on
the fact that she was going to do that and like the reason why
she was going to do it but. No, they can't.
Communicate that they can't communicate.
Yeah, so now she's just. Caught off guard in the middle
of this event where there's so many cameras, she doesn't look
happy. I'm surprised that the the
online can we not like we need to have like an online forum
like in the show of like people like gossiping about this group
of people since they're so visible.
Oh my God, seriously? Since they're popular online,
like there has to be discourse. Yeah, there.
Has to be so much discourse and has to be just zooming in on the
photos like Prim doesn't look happy like this.
This relationship's bound to fail.
Like, I just like picture people talking like that online, you
know? You know.
Who's doing that online, Harry? Yes.
She's using the charge. She's like.
Oh I have definitely have a shot here.
Oh my gosh. Oh, she's ironic.
They don't look happy. Oh my gosh.
Honestly, I can't. Wait for that again, cuz once
again Siazzy it's cast as the character who's going after.
I like I own all again. It really is.
I own May and ping triangle. We're doing that again.
Yep. What's Officer?
Hottie. Seriously, Officer?
Hottie comes in, ends up dating from sister, just throwing us
all off guard. Listen.
Mix it up. Mix and match, I'm fine with
that. I.
OK, so. Speaking of mix and match, I
wanted more of the mixing between all these people.
We they kind of quickly got into their same couple and.
Just we're. Staying there, but I wanted more
intermingling and. Messiness.
Yeah, and. We didn't really.
Get that? I think that's I.
Think it's the other reason people are mad.
They're like, oh, I thought this was going to be the L word where
everybody's cheating and hurting each other constantly.
I'm. Glad it's not.
I like this matter where they're like let's because like.
Then they they're. Interacting like cross
interacting where you have like friendships going on or like
frenemies shit going on with like Prim and Sasha and like.
Which keeps it. Interesting.
I don't know, You had an almost permanent, almost Sasha Bambi
situation. But yeah, that's true.
It didn't go. Yeah, it was just it's mostly
like the first. Episode gave us that and then it
quickly just left. Yeah.
I mean it's there. It's.
Just not a lot. Yeah, I think there's some stuff
sprinkled in, like, yeah, like Sasha Bambi being sprinkled in a
bunch a few times. Something else?
And then Gloria not. Over Prim, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, something else that I saw a lot of people criticizing is
the editing of the show, which I don't think is bad.
I think they're playing a lot with different techniques.
Agreed and. I don't know what all of them
mean, but there's always a reason for everything that they
do. They really do like they're not
just doing it to do it. Like they also have a scene.
So the scene. Where you see Shasha being
attracted to Gloria for the first time like it's their first
meeting. Yes.
Oh, I love the way. They started it actually.
Like where? Like Shasha saw.
That have the 2 Gloria. Was just like, yeah.
Yeah, I don't. You can.
You explain those scene a little bit, yeah.
Basically the way this so it's like the opening of one of the
episodes, I can't remember which one, but basically the way it
starts is you have this almost like binocular kind of view
where you essentially have two circles and and everything else
is where you see the scene and everything else is blacked out.
So it almost looks like like if you look through binoculars or
something and but it's not like a binocular in the sense that
when you look through that, you're looking at one thing.
It's like you're getting two different points of view that
eventually will converge. And like one point of view is
like Sasha's point of view of like this photo shoot that's
going on with another model. And then the other one is
essentially like her manager's point of view who's over her
shoulder, right kind of thing because they're the 2 characters
talking. And then eventually it's going
to converge into like 1 viewpoint.
And I think it's to show that there's those like multiple
point of views going on in the scene.
And it's like there's a disconnect also actually between
once and her manager and Sasha. And it's not explicitly said
yet, but they're showing you that in the editing.
Right. And it doesn't.
Converge until once her wound goes off to talk to the
director. Then it goes just to Sasha's
point of view. Yeah.
And then it. Converges, that's kind of how it
starts. But then later when you have
Sasha watching Gori, you get the split scene thing with the red.
They have the red division line because don't cross the line is
yeah. Which is funny because it's men
and Prowl who have the actual don't cross the line.
But yeah, in that scene, I'll get back to the editing, But I
this is the moment that Sasha realizes that Gloria is
different from everyone else in her life because she's like
everyone in the entertainment industry as well.
Because Goria is a small time stylist right now, but willing
to call out a famous photographer.
Being like, this is what you asked for.
I am prepared. You're the one who's not.
And so. For Sasha to see someone who's
like, willing to risk her career to be true to herself, that's a
breath of fresh air for her because she's always surrounded
by people who want things from her as transactional.
She can't tell what's real or not.
But with Gloria, she's real immediately.
So. And the thing.
The thing? About that scene is, I don't
think Sasha knew her because at the end of it, she's like, who
was, yeah, this is the first time she meets meets Goria or
sees her. And that you're right, this is
what starts the attraction because, well, also you got to
look at that whole scene too, 'cause I agree with what you're
saying, but also in Sasha's point of view, what was
happening in the scene was that she's been waiting for hours for
her time to model for this guy. But he's such a he's, it's like
one of the. Situations in the entertainment.
Industry where you have like this very famous artist who can
get away with everything and he's probably taking a sweet ass
time and like every. Fucking.
Up everything else for the production, like whoever's men
on that production is like, we're wasting so much money
right now. But because this dude is
brilliant, he gets away with it. So it's like enabling 'cause you
let him get away with it, right? Happens in the entertainment
industry all the time, right? So Sasha is a like not her super
established famous self yet she's like on the rise to that.
So she's there waiting and is like, I have another appointment
after this, like he's going to make me late for my other
appointment and tells her manager, can you tell him to
like hurry this along or like get me up there because I'm
going to be late for my next appointment.
So what? Does wansen.
Do what does her what does what does she do?
All we get in the scene is like we then the the editing
converges and then saw and then we see once and go up there and
talk and talk to the director for three seconds.
She smiles and then is like takes a phone call and goes
outside. So in my opinion.
That bitch didn't say anything. She was keeping nice with the
director and was like, yeah, good job, whatever, and then
goes outside. She I don't think she actually
did anything in Sasha's defense because nothing changes.
And then what happens? So then Goria comes up and is
like, fuck you and tells him. And at one point he's like,
you're a nothing person and and like, you could be out on the
street if I wanted to. And she's like, I'll go sell
noodles later rather than deal with this shit.
And she leaves and like walks off set.
And that's where Sasha gets the idea.
Like, fuck it, I'll just stand up for myself.
Like she learns from Goria to stand.
And then that's when Sasha's like, I have an appointment, I'm
leaving. And she walks off set.
And then you hear her manager screaming, Sasha, don't do that.
But. So.
Again, I like their relationship.
They teach each other to like stand up for they they learn
from each other actually. And so like she kind of learned
that from from Gloria to like do it herself too, because like,
and that relies on her manager if you do it.
So that's the. Other thing I like about that
scene. Something else about the?
Scene back to the editing is like with the circles going in
and out. We get another one at the end of
that scene where it everything it starts closing in to just the
photographer's face and this shot.
I'm just giving you some film knowledge right now is known as
an iris out and like this is usually done like I.
The most famous? One to me that comes to my mind
is like Mickey Mouse in like Steamboat Willie.
I believe like very early ninety 1900s.
And like this is usually. Done to close a scene and like
can be for comedic exaggeration and it was a good use of it here
so I just like wanted to. Like show how?
Like these editing tricks techniques are not just being
thrown in here because in the scene the joke was on him.
Like his his ego caused his own talent to walk out on him and he
was left confused and flustered being like what?
What is going on? Like he was the butt of the joke
here because you're like, you were so ridiculous that you were
just told off by a no name quote.
No name and. Your own talent.
Won't even work with you. Right, you're actually in your.
Last deal model exactly and that.
Focuses in on him and being like, but think about this like
this is another aspect of the scene that they don't want you
to get doesn't they don't want it to get lost with the Sasha
Gloria thing like that. Since it's a.
Commentary on egos in that scene totally.
Yeah. So.
Yeah. Exactly.
No, they're editing is very on purpose.
Yeah. And then yeah, one of your
articles brings up like the static in the shots too in.
In Gloria's memories with Prim, there's like static.
And then when? You get to the end of that
episode where she really she sees Prim and Bambi kiss and
realizes I Prim is never going to pick me.
She ends up exiting and standing in front of a ton of television
screens that have static on them.
So it like connects the memory to this like, moment of stasis
with that relationship, or Goria realizes it's never moving
forward the way like the picture on the screen is not moving
forward, just stuck in the static.
And like, Goria was stuck in the memory with Prim, where Prim was
like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll date one day.
Yeah, I just thought that. Was so like when you brought
that up, I thought that was like a great example of like, you may
not understand what they're doing with it, but there is a
purpose for it. You just have to think about it
or wait for it to be connected for you.
It might not be connected for you because they let it speak
for itself and let you just think about it.
Yep, and sometimes all it. Is is trying to draw your
attention to something? Yeah, 100.
Percent or they're you know, they're again, they're they have
12 episodes and three plot lines and they're they're doing other
stuff to kind of like tell the story because they don't have
time to be as explicit as every other, you know, Thai girl love.
That's being very explicit about stuff.
You know, they have to leave it up to you be for time
constraints or because like that's just the style of the
show, you know? And so another more explicit
editing example is like again, in that scene when you meet
Sasha, when Sasha and Goria kind of like have this.
They're not even like. Meeting like Sasha, just
watching Goria, you have the split screen where you have a
line between them, right? And then when you go into.
The end of episode like 6 I think or whatever, any mistakes
were there. It's like the hold me while I go
to sleep. You won't do anything sexual.
I just need emotional and support from you.
What happens? They have the line and the line
starts going away. So what does that mean?
Why did they do that? Because the line has been.
Crossed now emotionally between them like Gloria is putting up
all these fronts but like she's. Breaking her own rules.
That's what that means. So like they're they're showing
you like something has actually fundamentally changed between
these two in this moment. In case you didn't get yeah in
that in their. In in that way, they are like
spoon feeding it to you, by the way that they're.
Yeah, exactly. That's an.
Explicit thing to be like their relationship changed.
We're showing you with the editing without us, without gory
being like Oh my God, it changed.
You know what I mean? Like normally they would say
they're not wasting, they're showing you explicitly something
changed. Yeah, this is a monumental
moment. And they're they're making the
point with the editing. Yeah, in case you didn't get
that kind of thing. So yeah.
Editing is definitely. Different and they do a lot of
different editing things. But yeah, I trust the GMMTV
teams. Like they're very good at what
they do and they're using things to show you stuff explicitly.
This is a gap where we have a million different editing
techniques because we can and it doesn't mean anything like.
Sorry. I don't hate GAP, it's just gaps
Editing in GAP was a hot mess. They just did stuff and it
doesn't it they did it thing so many times that they lost all
meaning. It was just like because they
could. Which like.
That's fine. If you want to do things because
you can't, that's fine. GMNTP is not like that.
They do things on purpose. The Rack focus.
Cause like everyone makes you, it's time.
It takes time to edit that. Like it's easier to not do it.
Yeah, it's more time effective not to do it than it is to do
it. I can't tell you how much.
Editing has to go be involved in this to mask things in this
podcast. Like this isn't a television
show. Yeah, we need to do targeting
for the podcast. Like I can't even, I like why
would you add editing when you don't need it?
Is the it's such a pain in the ass.
So like they're doing it on purpose because somebody was
tasked to do it and put time into that for there's a reason
that they do that. It's easier not they don't want
to pay these people. More money just to.
Right, just to do. Stuff because like although
apparently gapped it, but like oh what they were doing on that
idle factory. There's a reason Idle Factory
doesn't exist anymore guys like they were doing some weird stuff
over there but anyway, so. Yeah, editing.
Is very, very good. That was a very good scene.
Trying to think of another scene that I really like.
I honestly. I like the scene with.
What was it? It was a.
Min and Prow see, I want to give them some love.
There's a there's AI like the scene where Min is crying
outside the the. Club.
Like grieving the relationship. And I like how.
Prow in that scene, because you said that she pushes like she
does, but then she doesn't sometimes, like in that scene
when Min was first of all, she takes her photo while she's
crying and that was the what are you terrible way to try?
And get her attention. What was that?
Right, That was she was being awkward.
She's like, I want to talk to you and I don't know how to talk
to people. So I did that.
So that was weird. But like she was being awkward.
Which women are awkward when they're flirting?
So like, fine, but then I like in that conversation that men,
first of all, the commentary to be like, you know, there was
good moments. I'm grieving the good moments so
I can move on. Valid.
But I like in that conversation that proud doesn't push her too
much. She's like supportive with men
and talks to her, but then she ultimately leaves men alone and
like let's men continue what she was doing.
She's like, basically like, you deserve better.
I hope you feel better. And then she like kind of
leaves. I like that she does that where
it's like, that's a good way to be.
You know, it's like not, not everybody needs somebody with
them all the time when they're upset.
Sometimes like that, like Min's the type of person that seems
more like introverted and more like internal.
And so like having Prowl come there, cheer her up, sing the
song and then leave her alone and like give her physical
contact like briefly and then leave.
I think that was the best way to handle that like with a with a
character like Min. So I appreciate that scene and
kind of how it went down with the two of them.
Yeah, it was nice. Personally.
It was because again. There are scenes where Proud
pushes too much, but then there are other scenes where she's
respectful about it. Because, like, people can have
multitudes. Yes, we're not.
Perfect all the time, but we're we're people are not perfect.
Nobody is perfect, even. When they think they.
Are. Especially when they think.
They are. That's how you get for him.
Yeah, Oh my God, for him. Oh my gosh.
What other scenes I mean? There's I like.
Every scene. Every scene with Sasha and
Gloria, that's amazing. I love them all.
I love all of them. I love their dynamic.
They're my favorite dynamic. It's very a cat and mouse push
and pull. Kind of dynamic.
So this people love when Gloria calls Sasha out.
She's like, you're being in, you're just putting up a front
right now. And the irony is Gloria does
too. They both do it.
It's just that she likes calling Sasha.
Oh, actually, I will say from the last episode, I love that
the way Sasha will not stop flirting ever, even when they're
having serious conversations. And she's like, they run away
from the reporters. And then Gloria realizes she's
still holding Sasha's hands and Sasha, and she drops it.
And Sasha's like, you can hold my hand.
She's like, in this serious moment, she insists on like.
Always, even. When Gloria's like, don't do
that, then she's like, OK, but one more time.
And then I think Gloria also just likes the attention
because, like, she's so persistent.
And it's like, just funny about it sometimes because you're
like, you are ridiculous. Actually, yeah.
She's funny though. The way she does not give up.
Oh, and then dancing in the Oh my God, actually, wait, can we
talk about that scene where they're in there?
This was so funny. Or Sasha's like.
Where is her manager? And she's like, why are we at a
this furniture store? And so I was just like.
You're here with me because I. Need to shop and Gory's like I
have other things to do I can't go shopping with you and so I
was like name them, what are we going to?
Do and Gloria has no answer. She's like, yeah, you have
nothing to do. You're coming with me.
You like, she's like, you got to get to know me if you're going
to be my manager because like, you have to have my back, right?
I love that. They call each other out.
You're like, what are you doing? Yeah, I mean that's.
Real. Yeah, nothing.
They're being real with. Each other they're being.
Real. Yeah.
And I like when they're the, the sad, the real parts.
That whole thing was real. Because then they get in the
store and Sasha explains why she likes going there.
And this is like the this girl needs a hug moment where she's
like, basically, she's like, I like to come in the store and
then touch the furniture and imagine what the families were
like that owned it and how happy and warm their lives were.
Oh, poor. Because this pitch.
Didn't have a happy warm life. She has nothing like that's.
So sad to hear that that's what she does.
She cosplays family because her family sucks.
Like damn. Damn love sash.
And like she tells. This I mean, they talk about
real things with yeah, they do, I they do.
And and yeah, I I was. Just going to say I will admit
that Gloria annoys me sometimes, but that's that's.
That's a me problem. That's not a her problem.
You don't have a degradation. Kane can understand Goria's
having a great time during these scenes.
She secretly likes Bambi because she likes.
Goria does enjoy. It she's combative, like you
see, like again, when Kasha first met her, what would she do
when she's fighting with the director?
Like, she, I think, in some level, enjoys verbally sparring
with people because what is her example of, like, something she
wants to experience? Because, like, they get up
first. I love the way their
conversation keeps going in the furniture store.
And they're basically like, do you want love kind of thing?
And they have a real conversation about this.
And Gloria, who's always putting on a front, is like, you know,
so many people are single and, like, the 4B movement, all this
stuff. And it's like, OK, girl.
Sure. And then she's like, then she
pivots immediately into, you know what my parents are doing
the other day. Great, the way she tells on
herself and constantly. And she's like, you know, my
parents are doing this thing. And I think they're cute
sometimes, especially when they're having nonsensical
arguments about ridiculous shit where they're just and she and
and that's what she wants. She wants to argue about
nothing, which I get. That's my love language, arguing
about nothing. It's so fun.
I'm Italian American. I was really so like arguing
about nothing. Yeah, that's her love language.
That's why she likes Sasha, cause Sasha will verbally spar
with her over nothing and she likes that.
That's their relationship. And like, I like that scene
because like, that's the first time Goria really says anything
super real about what she wants. And she was so unguarded.
She says it. And then when she realizes Sasha
absorbs all that, that's when she's like, oh fuck, I shouldn't
have said that. She catches herself.
She's like, shit, I was unguarded.
I didn't mean to be. But from.
Gloria's perspective like and then of course Sasha's like, I
can argue with you and she's like stop being an opportunist.
That's not why I told you that. Like we, I thought we were being
friends or whatever. So I do like that they when
they're unguarded, they're very real with each.
Both of them are real. It's just that they have their
own separate traumas that makes them defensive.
Like Gori keeps getting cheated on.
So like, it would be very understandable that she would be
very hesitant to get in a relationship with somebody who's
a heart. Yeah.
Which who's proven to? Break hearts.
Including prim. Sister.
But like. But here's the deal, like is she
breaking hearts? Cuz she seems very
straightforward where she's like, we're just going to have
sex in that. No, people, definitely.
Like try to get more out of her and she's just like, no.
Which is. What happened between Gori and
Prim right where Prim was like this is going to be again.
Prim hates Sasha because she's very similar to Sasha.
I think that's why she actually hates Sasha because she sees
herself and she's like fuck. And hates it.
But like, that's what Prim did to Goria, right?
She was like, Gori's like, whoa, I want to be more than friends
with you. And then she's like.
We can have sex and that's. Not going to change that for me,
so are you cool with that? Yeah, and like what happened?
Gori is like, yeah, I guess because like, from Gori's point
of view, she's like, I'd rather have some of you than none of
you. You have a girl.
And. I'll deal with.
It versus prim who's like. But I feel like that's what.
Happens with Sasha like she has these girls that are into her
and then Josh is like this can be sex and nothing else.
Are you OK with that? And they say yes.
And then like. Then they still have.
Feelings for her. So like, is Sasha leading them
on or is she just being very explicit about it and like they
have feelings and then have to deal with the feelings they
still have? You know, like with Gloria
Efrim. So I don't, I don't think.
You can like paint Sasha as this like Heartbreaker.
I think she's very explicit about the situations.
Is definitely like. Shane from The L Word.
She, I think. She's better than Shane, to be
honest. Shane.
I'm just saying because like Shane literally had a plot line
with like a girl like. Trying to be like too.
Much like into a relationship like she wanted more and she's
like no, and explaining that like no, this is who I am.
I have fun. I thought you knew that.
I've told you this, yeah. So.
Right. So it goes to show you, like in
relationships, sometimes people hear what they want to hear or
people think like what? Like the proud men thing she's
like. She'll change her mind
eventually. I'll just wait it out, but how
long? Are you going?
Sometimes that work, sometimes that doesn't.
Like. But what's fun about?
Sasha and Goria is that they, they're at this stage like we're
at episode 7, we're at the stage.
They actually know each other pretty well enough to call each
other's bullshit out, which is why Sasha can say like they're
they had the scene where they're in the sauna and like.
Goria. Telling on herself, she and
they're talking about the manager's thing and she's like,
listen, I don't want to be the type of manager that sleeps with
their artist. Sasha didn't bring that.
He did and then she's like, is that what you want?
Because you just said it. That's not what I came here to
talk to you about. And so she tells on herself and
then they're taught and then they and then she's like, no,
no, no, we will just be manager and like artist, nothing else.
No touching, no looking at each other, no nothing.
And then Sasha was like, I guess so for now, because you're going
to change your mind because you just fucking told me you're
going like, so like with them, it works to be like, I'll just
wait this out because I know you're going to change your mind
because you keep doing it. And also you can change it like
that, you know what I mean? So.
It's a little. Bit different when you kind of
like know that that's what they're going to do because you
know them. But like in the scenario with
like printed proud men, like proud men don't really know each
other. So like for proud to like gamble
that I knew that was doing. This straight girl.
Yeah, exactly. Like girl, like and like.
From their conversations it almost seems like Prow has gone
after a quote St. girl before, so like.
Why are you surprised? By that, like that, that whole
thing was weird because it wasn't super fleshed out, but
like, this happens in real life, you know, and then she gets
what? She'll get mad at men and become
biphobic. I hope not, but like, this is
how lesbians become biphobic. Actually, Yeah, I hope this is.
How they get their heart. Broken that she doesn't.
Do anything like that? Because she has been shown to us
as being very open minded. But I.
Could unders I could empathize with how that could happen, like
in her plot line, because like this happens in real life.
So like I can kind of see it going down the road.
I don't know that it will, but like I can see it.
It'll be interesting to see. Where they go?
I'm very curious. To see what what's going to
actually happen with them. OK, so predictions going
forward, I guess what do you want to see happen?
What do you think's going to happen?
Unless you have more like no I. I don't want to see this happen,
but I feel like they're going to do a Glee thing where all the
couples are together and then they all break up in the same
episode. I.
Think that's. Way too much.
I think they will all break up at some point.
But yeah, I hope not. That's.
They could. I'm still worried about Bambi.
Almost dying because. Of self harm because of like
drugs and alcohol basically when Prim and her inevitably break
up. Like I feel like she's because
we unless we address the trauma first.
I feel like that is where that's headed.
I'm really nervous about that. Proud.
I'm not. Breaking up in the next episode,
I feel like how? I think proud and men personally
need time apart Yeah, because it.
Needs time to process. It has not been able to process
Manhattan. It needs to process things first
and foremost. First and foremost.
Whatever happens outside of that I don't know because like I'm
not attached to any of the couples except Sasha and Gori to
be honest with you. And like they can go their
separate ways. I feel like Sasha and Gori will
end up together but the other ones I don't know and like
honestly Prim and Bambi I I don't think they should.
I hope there is at least. One couple that doesn't end up
together because that's not realistic if they all end up
together. I agree.
I'm also fine if nobody ends up
together except Sasha and Gori, because I think they should.
Yeah. Yeah, they could do that.
Or nobody ends up together. I'm be honest to be fine with
it. That's that's fine.
I don't think that's going. To be.
Plot that's going to happen. I think they know each.
Other too. Well, I also think that like in
the I think in the next couple episodes with with them, that I
think that Sasha is going to push Gory away because of
blackmailing with her manager, but I think Gory is going to
figure it out because they know each other too well at this
point. I think that's the thing.
I think she's I think she's going to end up saving Sasha for
whatever the shit is. It's also because Sasha.
Went so hard to get her as her manager, like she was so adamant
that for Goria to be her manager that this is an extreme shift
for her. So it doesn't make sense.
Yeah, I think once. Sasha's not being persistent
cause Sasha's been persistent the whole time.
She's suddenly not going to be persistent.
I think Ora's going to miss that and then notice shit and be like
something weird is happening here.
Yeah, and like she's. Always.
Had a feeling about. Winston.
So she's the. One who's like your.
Manager is fucking you over right?
Exactly. She's going to see that that
manager is back after breaking Sasha's try.
I feel like she's going to see the find.
The whole thing is weird and I think it'll probably get to a
point where like Sasha will kind of like breakdown and tell her
the truth and then we will learn what actually happened early in
her career and I feel like Goria.
Is going to help her through that and like it might that
might come to light publicly, but Goria is going to help her
get through it. I.
Think that that's. What's going to solidify them as
like friends or or something more?
I think that's going to bond them, whatever the hell this
truth is and like what they go through together.
Because I agree with you, I feel like it's going to be something
along those lines. And I think that that's going to
be another like turning point thing that bonds.
Yeah. They're going to trauma.
Bond. Because we must trauma bond.
That is how relationships form. What do you think is going on
with Sasha? What do you think once then was
insinuating? So I watched this as a reaction
video. I haven't been able to watch it
again so I didn't get a good look at the photo.
I was basically like a. Photo of Sasha looking very
uncomfortable in a dress that was semi revealing.
And then one son. Basically said like.
Do you really? Want people to find out what you
were doing earlier in your career before you were famous?
So maybe she had to. Do things that were not very
don't know the right word. I think she got had to do things
that were exploitative for her like call girl shit things that.
Happen. In real life.
That's what I mean 'cause. She's the she's the social
commentary on the entertainment industry.
Definitely, yeah. Like the?
I think she had to do things and she was young and didn't have
the casting couch thing. Aha, people took.
Advantage of her I think is what happened, but I think that
whether her manager put her up to it or not, because like is a
question, yeah, she's not protecting her.
Not protecting her. Her.
Mom wasn't really protecting her.
She just said it in the last episode.
My mom just wants me to work and get a paycheck.
She doesn't really care about me.
So again, back to like what I wrote about in that article
about like Sasha, all of her relationships are transactional.
All of them except gory. I mean, starts off transact and
it becomes a really like an actual like human connection
kind of thing. People always want things from
her. And so she's very used to like I
do something, I get something and that's what human
interactions are. So I think she was young and got
taken advantage of. And then Shasha to once there's
a digital footprint now because this photo photos exist or
whatever. Like I can fuck her over.
Like that's a reality of like women in the entertainment
industry. She's also a commentary on the.
Children acting industry because she was in the commercial when
she was very young, so she has been introduced to this.
So for her to have to like do those things, that means like,
how young did that start? That's what I'm saying.
And like, was it normal to her at the time?
Like she was? I feel like she got preyed on
basically and like didn't know any better.
She's been in this industry since she was 8.
And that's it's. Very young and to have a mother
that does not protect you, that's.
A recipe. For Disaster 100.
Percent. Yeah, so like, no wonder she's a
disaster when it comes to, like, having relationships with
humans. She doesn't know how.
Like, she's never had that ever. Ever.
She was a. Child when this started like.
Who needs? Therapy also, this character
needs very much therapy and don't get us strong.
They all need therapy. They all need it.
But like Oh my God, I don't know how she's so she needs to
process. She seems fairly well
functioning despite all of this shit like which is kind of it
tells you how strong she is as a person.
But like she's not OK either. Which is why like her, I think
her and Bambi really connect because they're like, I sense
the trauma in you also. Do you sense the trauma in?
Me. We don't have to speak about.
It we we see that it's there. So yeah, I think that they'll, I
think they're going to have a a reconciliation of some sort and
they're going to bond over whatever this is.
And I'm very curious how they handle whatever happened to
Sasha and like. It to your point will.
They will, they will get out and like, I'm very curious how that
goes. Since Sasha and Bambi are
friends friends. I wonder.
If they're going to get into like later, very much later
into. A conversation.
And Bambi recommends her therapist to Shasha that would.
Be good because I thought, I think.
That would be great. Bambi has to.
Go Yeah, no, that's. Why?
I said later Because she has to have that breakthrough I really
want. To see that.
Scene where? I want a breakthrough where she
brings. Yeah, I really want that.
In my head, that's Canon. Or during.
That conversation with the therapist where Prim is there.
It comes out. Or like heavily hints that Prim
knows about Z's death because Bambi doesn't know that Prim
knows that. And that triggers on just the
downfall of many things for Bambi.
Like it blows up Bambi's like psyche kind of deal.
Yeah, because like those. 2 they have to actually talk and then
also like I'm hoping, like we talked about earlier that Bambi
and her mom have conversations. And then for men and Prow, I'm
really, I don't really know what the hell is going to happen
other than that they're going to break up at some point like for
sure, But like, I don't know what's going to happen really
with like men and her family. And like, I, I think what's
going to happen is that men is going to have to like kind of
make choices about like what she wants because like her mom is
insinuating that like she has a queer aunt or whatever.
And then that aunt is like ostracized from the family.
And so like Min is in the situation where she's
discovering the stuff about herself.
And so like, does she? Choose to stay true to.
Herself does she bend her family?
It seems like she's more along the lines of like, This is why I
don't come visit you guys. Like, I she's already kind of
like distancing herself from her family because I think she,
like, already knows she's different and, like, can't meet
their expectations. So I just wonder how far that's
going to go with men. Like, is men going to like,
fully be like, this is who I am. If you are going to, you know,
excommunicate me. If you have a family, just do it
like Aunt JoJo or whatever. Like, yeah, I feel like.
Or yeah. She's the character who it's
going to be like. Blood.
Family versus chosen family, and like the power of chosen family.
Which is a very clear. Plot line, but like yeah.
Who knows? So I I'm think that's going to
be interesting. She'll get it less time.
So I feel like there won't be a ton with the family, but it's
going to be like her navigating. But I would love.
Her meeting up with her aunt. That would be cool.
It could be fine. That's the one thing the show's
missing. But a lot of shows are missing,
yes. Could you?
Imagine that just like critique worked with.
Her randomly Oh my God. That would be the the most
glorious. Thing ever, she showed up and it
was like queer coaching men and you need a queer guide.
Like that's the one. That's what we do with.
Everything she says, even if it doesn't sound right, do it.
You just do it. Just do it anyway and then.
Prim and Bambi. I really hope they don't end up.
I don't. Want.
Them together, I really don't I just want them to be friends I.
Wonder if 5. 4 is going to end up with anybody.
I hope she ends up with. Crystal what I hope happens is
we get Emmy Bonnie and what because like again, you got a
baby director and you have an up and coming like musical artist,
like whatever she creates another production done.
They could, and then that's the director they could recreate.
That's what I want the the US scene and she could sing the T
rock song to her again. She'll be like.
After that, you're like Sasha Who?
Sasha who? This is Crystal.
Yeah. I'm kind of hoping that's where
that's headed because they put Bonnie as a director and you
have Emmy as like, this artist who's making music videos.
So I'm kind of hoping they connect.
But yeah, I'm just saying and. Then, OK, so what's going to go
on with like the airy plot line with oh, OK.
I know you're excited for it. It's going to annoy me.
I don't like jealousy. Fiora loves it.
I don't. Love it.
It's just, it adds, it makes for good drama.
Sometimes I just. It's just.
Fun. I don't know.
I'm just like is. Prim going to do what she always
does. And is Bambi going to be like,
you're always like, I need to change, You need to fucking
change. I'm hoping we get that
conversation because why is it always on Bambi to change?
It's like, you also need to change.
Yeah, because Bamboo is like, well.
I recognize that work is really important to you, so I can let
go of my all my expectations and just like know that there has to
be room for work. But we haven't gotten the same
the other way. No, that's what I mean.
Like prim needs to reciprocate, prim needs to.
Hire not that well she could now I think she has money.
Hire A food truck for Bambi. Bambi yeah, I'm also hoping.
We get kind of that now that Bambi is like going into a
career that Prim will actually be supportive of Bambi, like in
a tangible way, not just I'm saying it kind of way.
Yeah, I will say the. Little Bambi, the deer thing,
the first thing she got, Bambi was super cute.
Like, that was adorable. Yeah.
And she kept it all. Well, all those years in my
head, it was been years. But if it's only been, well, it
was only a year. It was a year that.
Bambi disappeared but they broke up before that so I really don't
know what the full timeline was. Because they stayed.
Friends and then Prim just freaked out when baby
disappeared. So I really don't know.
If you know the exact timeline like please leave out my
comments. I'm just we're guessing we're
just going by those times. Also just.
As a for anyone listening, if you've read the book, don't tell
us what's happening. Oh yeah, I know.
I'm. Going to read it after I watch
the show but yeah don't spoil the book please.
If you've already spoiled the books in the comments and you
made it this far, please delete that comment.
Or if you see a. Comment that already spoiled
something please if it's like vague don't say anything but if
it's like a direct spoiler be like don't read this.
Yeah. Anyway, all right, so that's
what I think. It's going to happen.
I just really, really, really want Bami's trauma addressed.
Yeah, because. I worry about her.
A lot and I would I'm still. Holding out for a group therapy
scene, All right, just like everybody in therapy, that's not
going to happen. But you know, I can hope you've
been holding that for a. Real long time.
But listen, I'm glad we got. At least one therapy scene.
Yeah. No, I was.
Impressed by that and by with Evan people.
I'm very, I mean, she's. The rich girl who pay a
therapist, but like, I'm evidence that like she goes to
therapy even though she doesn't go to therapy, you know what I
mean? So.
But she. Has in the past too.
Right. No, that's what I mean.
They're like, oh, you stopped going meaning, yeah, she did go.
So I do want again, I think the thing with the mom is just like
Bambi went off the rails. She probably threw her in
therapy and then Bambi like just fucked off like and like made
everybody worried and because she was not dealing with her
trauma for whatever, whatever reason.
And like, and then I do also, I would really like Prim first of
all, them to communicate Prim and Bambi.
I want them also to talk about the trauma because like.
The. Reason.
The accident happened is because Bambi was choosing Prim in the.
Do you remember they have the clips of the fight?
Like when Bambi's in the bathroom about to take the
drugs, you hear the. Argument that she was.
Having with Z in the car, 'cause it's that's what's weighing on
Bambi. Z was mad because Bambi was, I
think going to ditch her for Prim's birthday or something.
She's like, you're, you're keeping this promise with your
ex. What the fuck is wrong with?
That's what they were fighting. They were fighting about Prim.
Yeah, and we haven't. Addressed that either like it's
not just that like they were having relationship problems,
like Bambi was like still in love with Prim and like going to
ditch her girlfriend for Prim. Like we didn't address any of
that. Like it was just like in
passing. There's a lot.
That we need to address in five episodes.
Yeah, 5 episodes. I know I.
Know I wish they had another season.
It's like the chef's so good they could do so.
Yeah. Yeah, Oh, oh, yeah.
Wait, other thing. I like another scene that I
like. That was a very like why I like
the show because it's not explicit.
So the scene where it's before Bambi's big Fiona runway show,
right? And they have the models
backstage getting ready and that other model is like, I forgot
her name is hitting on Sasha again when she hooked up with
it. And I was like, no, we should do
it again. And then the girl takes Sasha
into like the changing area or whatever behind the curtain.
And then the the way it goes is it looks like the girl's going
to lean in and kiss Sasha and then it cuts away and we never
know what happens, so. And we never.
It's never a dress. So it's like it's literally left
up to you, the audience, to determine.
Did they kiss? Did they not kiss?
That's a good point. We will.
Literally never know. You're never going to know the
actual truth of what happened there.
So I like the they. They do open-ended.
Shit, maybe, but like, we don't. We will never actually know the
answer to that. It's like.
So I I like the. Show does stuff like that, it's
not explicit, so then it leaves you to kind of like be like what
did happen, you know, we kind of have to fill in the blanks a
lot, which is fun, yeah. And it changes the.
Story like slightly depending on how you.
Right. And so like.
I like this type of story because as the audience, you're
an active participant in the story because you have to fill
in blanks. Like you have to.
And like you said, like depending on how like you can
interpret that they did kiss. And that will kind of like
change the context of like later when she's talking to Gloria or
like I can interpret that they didn't.
And then like that also changes. So it's like there's multiple
versions of the story happening depending on like how we're all
reading it. And so it makes it a very fun
like, tell me what you saw. I'll tell you what I saw kind of
show versus like if the show is very explicit and and everything
and there's no questions, it's like.
What are you waiting week to? Week for you're like.
OK. Like, yeah.
I guess like that was. Cute.
There's not really much else to. Say about it like it was just,
you know, they gave us everything.
So anyway, if you've made it this far, I feel like you also
agree that girls is very yeah and.
If you don't like. It so you definitely clicked off
at this point. I I'm surprised you made it.
You must like us, which like thank you.
Thank. You.
For. Making it this far, so let us
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concludes and eventually the book so and we'll have your.
Responses of why you liked girls.
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