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today, Theora. Today we're watching Heart
Stopper Season 2, Episode 2 called Family.
Are you ready to get into this? Yes.
I'm excited to see the Family. Yeah.
Well, let's get into it. All right.
Heart Stopper Season 2, Episode 2 in 321.
Sort of that's better. Say maybe you should.
Try to Charlie's always been a high achiever, but in the past
few months his grades have been slipping across most of his
subjects. I wonder why?
Been a bit distracted, haven't you?
Hey, panic. Tao, I've been getting the sense
that you've been struggling with your coursework so bad at art.
Well, I haven't been next teacher for long, but he's on
track for solid grades in his GCSE's.
As long as he keeps on focusing on his school work, he'll be
fine. Isaac's grades are always
excellent. I like.
To see him participate more and he's such a pleasure to have in
class. Set the top grades in his
GCSE's. He's failed to hand in several
homework assignments. No support Caperana, Mastantre
and Dolor de Veres. He's been turning up late to
Class A few times, still haven't completed your history
coursework essay. If you don't finish it, then
that'll be a fail grade. You need to start focusing on
your schoolwork. So that's what he was doing.
So the coursework essay. It's fine, I'll get it done.
But it's not just that, is it? I know getting your.
First boyfriend. My gosh, I'm like, why is she
turned around so much? She's gonna get it in half
Nick's foot. Charlie, you've been going round
each other's houses almost every day for weeks, Charlie.
So I wonder, you haven't done your coursework, so got a few
weeks to finish it. That's not fair.
Well, I think you and Nick need to spend some time.
We are not banning you from seeing each other completely.
No. It needs to be a complete ban
until this corporate. Essay is handed in, Nick is not
allowed around our house and new are not allowed around his.
This is homophobia. I mean to be fair, as the
parents were like, oh this as soon as they got together,
everything sucks. It's cool.
Now you want to fall from a. Little bit.
Come on, come on, lower it. Mom, make me one.
Not a few hours like that. David, say this.
No. One happens to see me.
Could I stay with Dad next time? We're all very.
Happy you're back from uni daily.
What you've been up to since Christmas.
Got a girlfriend yet? I'll take that as an obvious
name. Stop bothering him.
Definitely an obvious no. Already uninterned switch, by
the way. No bitch here.
He stole his video game system. Please don't tell him about
Charlie. I won't, darling.
Don't worry. Well, if you call me, I would
never do that. She's different in this show
from Fleetside. Oh yeah, she's the best.
I was so little there. Yeah, he's a boy seeing what
it's best. I
don't know. I feel like there should be a
probation period where like you can get your grades up in like a
week or two. Like if your grades are better,
then OK then if they aren't then they can't talk.
Just saying, yeah. I mean, I agree.
Bring Nelly though. Yes, bring Nelly.
Did I know he had a brother though?
He was just introduced? No, no, I know that.
Yeah, he mentioned and he mentioned his brother the last
episode, maybe. I don't remember.
Probably not. Imaging why I can do so much
better. Notice.
Oh my gosh, I was really distracted by them throwing the
ball. Just like a dog go ohh, I'm like
a dog. Yeah I'm like what's the dog
Honey, I'll never do your whole work.
Listen. I'll do it next week.
Alright? Please.
Next week. Was that Darcy?
No it wasn't. There's another Darcy in the
class. That's another Darcy is
happening. Oh my God, I'm so excited.
You could totally wear a suit. You look amazing.
Yes. You mean we can't be Fiona and
Shrek? It's prom, not Halloween.
Hey, are you guys talking about the prom?
Yeah. Oh, so Miss Green would put me
in charge of organizing it, and I'm kind of looking for some
help. I'm really excited, but I don't
think I can do this alone. Oh, my God.
Yes. I'm sorry.
Let's make it do this for lunch. We can start making a mood part.
I mean, yeah, I've got some ideas already.
I'm thinking classic. Great idea.
But then the Blues will make, like everyone's outfits look,
like, amazing. Personally, I think that prom.
Should be pirate thing. No, Saha's already decided that
we're doing a classic prom thing.
But if I could bring a sword to prom, I'm totally up for it.
Towers to meet up tomorrow. Oh, I got to say yes.
No. Oh, you need to put some
distance between you. You can make your move.
This is your chance. Wait, there's a boy.
There's a boy. He's my best friend.
What is art stuff? Is that straight speak or
something? It's fine.
I want to do some art. What is the canvas?
French girls? You know, he's so bummed on the
other side. I know he is.
It's an ominous. This brings back memories of
standardized testing. I still don't understand why
they're in pairs. Yeah, I don't study when they
can't talk. There's enough room in that gym
to spread them all out. I don't get that.
Well, independent study, I feel like, is like study hall.
At least that's what it sounds. Like your pen needs to give it
back. And we have just heard his
rules. They can't talk to each other,
so why are they sitting next to each other?
That is very true. And they're not desks that are
connected. Haven't seen you all day, so I
wanted to say hi. Maybe they can't isolate people
too long. It's against the law.
Maybe. With your brother and
everything. Yeah, just you guys weren't
supposed to be talking. Charlie came in to give him his
pen back as an excuse to talk to him, which seems really stupid
that that worked. There's only one pen in the
world, Theora, I know, apparently.
I see he's still as desperate as ever told you not to talk about
him. God, you hate me so much.
Have you seen yourself? Liked me before you.
I hate you because you literally assaulted him.
X don't put them next to each other.
I know, like, separate them at this point.
Look, they're still next to each other.
I. Don't particularly care if you
fail your Master Chief CSC on Monday, but I'm going to let you
disrupt everyone else's study time fix up.
Man, that was just a misunderstanding.
It wasn't. There sounds like another
misunderstanding that happened recently.
You hurt him. And who knows?
If you do the same with Imogen, do you even like her?
Sorry. Am I not allowed to like girls
as well as boys? Does Charlie know you don't want
to come out? I do want to come, Right?
I'll believe that when I say it. Charlie thinks you're this
perfect boyfriend, but you are just the same as me.
No. No.
Then misery. Nick is not like you.
Why is there a ha ha ha at the end of that sad face?
Nick, you got a bad name. Get out.
I'm. Just checking to see how the GCC
revisions going. That's brother, right?
Can you get out? I'm trying to study David, see
who's. Charlie So every time they said
David, I got distracted by the dog and red light.
Sorry. Fine.
Seriously. So boring.
If you do have a girlfriend, I want to know about it.
She needs my approval. Did you understand what just
happened? You saw Charlie's message and
he's like, who's Charlie? Oh, yeah.
No thank you. First coursework is boring.
Just get it over with Charlie. God, no wonder the bed from see
each other. I know something's going on with
Charlie. That seems worse actually,
because you know he has to do homework.
I know, Really. Oh, that boys got a bad.
Which one? They both got a bad, yeah,
looking at me. Your hands are so cold.
I'm always cold. Well, in that case, what a
gentleman. That's just a straight up dead
tree. That's a massive tree.
I'm stealing this. Just so you know, Ohh I know
really is the Spider Steeler. Ohh, found the tree, got a crane
is like I need that tree right there.
I'm sorry, which one has it bad for sure?
You OK? Nelly's just reaping the
benefits. Just just stressed about Gccs.
I'm definitely going to fail maths on Monday.
What we tell you, is that just basically our standardized test
or is that like the SAT? I'll explain it later.
OK? They let them kiss a lot in the
show and it's great. We should have safic writers
take notes, please. Yes, you're tired.
Hold you in please. All's.
My friend and we'll drink and. Sweaty again and kiss your
wants. Kiss your twat, We'll call it.
Is Nelly the one that loves her? Can Nelly say hello?
Is that projection, Nick? Because Charlie's feeling it
that always looks so cute. She's got good fashion sense.
I could never. No.
You guys, welcome to. The Lambert School of Art.
Everyone sign up here for the 6th Bomb Open evening and then
we can start with the tour. This term, our year twelves are
working on pieces about climate change, which might be a great
topic for your application pieces if you haven't started
working on them yet. So just spread around.
Have a look at the art I'm. Not gonna lie, this is kind of
making me feel more nervous. My application base.
I haven't finished mine yet. I'll say I haven't even started.
I'm a babe. Same.
That's why I'm so bad at doing their schoolwork.
Good parties here. Ignore Felix.
I didn't want to go here for the parties.
They do throw really good parties here, just so you know.
See, I knew it. It's an art school thing.
I knew by the way, and this is Felix,
I'm so glad that I was finding people.
I really hope I got it. Me too.
How we both get we will, I'm speaking.
It into the universe? She's manifesto, yes.
I just hate being at a regular school like everyone know you as
the trans girl here. I could just be Naomi.
You know what I mean? Yeah, I really do.
No, I hope you both get in. You better both get in.
Well, Riot, most girl in the world.
I'm told I'm sick. Yeah.
Now was that call it my or was that ow Oh, she's so pretty.
She's at this art school open day.
Mom ships them so hard. It's like you're at college.
Yeah. Sixth form, So she might be
moving away. I don't know, maybe it's really
far come. Are they Jody Sankolic fandom?
Yeah, I think the number one shipper is his mom.
Push them together. How are you feeling about maths
this morning? Because I still don't get
quadratic equations, so I'm probably gonna fight no more
maths talk. What do you mean?
He's a Dick. He's done some really bad stuff,
but what did he do? He can't say I can't.
Tell you, I've known him since primary school.
He's basically one of my oldest friends.
And you know what? I don't actually have that many
friends, but Ben is one of the few people who actually likes me
and it's been lovely to me. So whatever happened in the
past, he's nicer now and I really like him.
Good luck in the exam. I'm sorry, Nick.
You did try to do the right thing.
Imogene. She's better friends.
See, now we're separated. It's possible.
And your exam starts now. The drama of it.
I love it. I'm starting to blow a whistle
because she's the rugby ghost entertaining.
Sam stars go writing something. Nick, do the maths.
Kind of wanna do a math test right now.
I love math. And by math I mean algebra.
That's what calculus looks like to me.
Too many circles. Poor Nick.
He's dressed at the bad thoughts.
You snuck out again, You'll be in so much trouble with your
mom. I may just tear you up after a
terrible exam. I think it's too short, Mom.
No, it's not. You wanted my opinion, so there
is well. Naomi said she loves it.
It's pretty short, is here. That boy of yours, the parents
ship the boat pretty hard. She's already like he's your
boy. Was your maths exam OK today?
Tow math exams? Are now just talking about my
maths exam. That too.
No. Yeah.
OK. I guess things have just been
kind of weird lately. I I mean, I've been a bit weird,
so I thought I'd. Come and see if you wants to
hang out this evening, but I guess you can't.
I'm going. Out tonight with my name, Felix,
We're going to a club that does under 18 nights.
Scandal. Wow, I know.
I might hate it. Maybe.
We could have that out there at the weekend or something.
I don't know how, honestly, I'm kind of busy recently.
I, you know, with Gcse's and finishing my application piece
for lumber, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
Sorry. No, it's nothing to be sorry
about. Not a rejection.
It felt like one. I'm sad.
Never realized how tall Ella is until the door.
Did I fall asleep? He tired.
When was this movie just really boring?
I did warn you, I'm not a fan of Marvel movies.
That's my wife during Marvel movies.
No, I'm just kidding. She's in the other room.
She's making some dinner. No, I'll have someone when I get
home. I'd have a cup of tea though.
You're such an old man, hey. Charlie should really go home,
dude. So cute you are.
You're so cute. Cute.
Hi. No, I leave Tom believe Go away.
What was your name? Sorry.
Uh oh, don't tell him your name. I'm Charlie and your fuck now,
right, David? Sorry.
So I'm. I'm next.
Older brother. Yeah.
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
Yeah, He's like, I'm waiting for him to drop the mugs and just
run. David, there he is.
I was just getting acquainted with with Charlie here.
Yeah. Well, we're busy, so you can go
away now. You're okay.
Yeah. He's such a I just wanted to
meet the guy that turned my little brother gay.
What? I mean, I should have always
known you don't have to be gay. Really.
He's saying this negatively and I don't like it, actually.
And So what? This is my neck to want Charlie
over, actually. So if you're going to be gay, at
least admit you're gay. See, this is exactly why I
didn't want to tell you. This is ridiculous.
I'm not like this. Sceptical.
No, you're not. I knew you would be like this.
Like what? Like a homophobic prize.
What is going on? Why did you tell him about
Charlie? I didn't, darling.
Mom didn't tell me. You left a picture of you to
kissing on your bedroom wall. Come on, Mum, he's saying he's
buying me. What a load of absolute
bullshit. David, please don't swear he he
can't even admit he's gay. I mean, I bet you haven't told
Dad yet, have you? Oh, my God.
Imagine what Dad's going to say. He's such a Dick.
I'm just being realistic. In the kitchen now beat him up
for me. Why do you do it?
Why are you winding him up for no reason why?
Did you going into his bedroom anyway?
Should I come right there? Yes, you're right.
Olivia Coleman. He had no right to go in there.
I'll text you later, OK? Yeah, it's fine.
Sorry. It is an asshole, yes.
Nick, Nick did more on us. His brother is a Dick.
See, Charlie has a lot of stained glass.
Johnny, where was he?
Yeah, walking in the park next, I assume.
I thought we'd agreed that you're going to spend some time
apart. I mean, he didn't respond, yet
he was worried about his exams. I just wanted.
To tell anyone here you outed yourself, Pam.
You were grounded for the rest of.
This term and don't even think about sneaking out or you won't
be going on the Paris trip. I.
Mean. She's not wrong?
No. Want some dinner?
The parenting isn't bad in the show yet?
That's like, good. Looks very cozy.
Sounds like it. I don't think I've ever heard
any of their songs except one. Not Charlie's blaming himself,
yet he's not doing OK. That voice message.
This must be serious, Charlie. This is not your fault.
I don't care what David thinks anyway.
I mean, it was never going to go perfectly with everyone.
Coming out to my mom was amazing, but there are still
awful people in the world like my brother you.
Know Ben Misery. I can handle it, I promise.
No one like me. You feel like me?
Or Towel. She could have invited him, you
know. It does seem like she's growing
apart from him. But it just might be.
I mean, yeah, it does. I bought your apple.
Thanks. Are you sad about L?
Yeah, kind of. You remind me of me and Dad.
Oh mom, that's so weird. He was the calm one and it's
romantic outspoken 1. So when we were in the same
room, it was like perfect harmony and no matter what
happened, we'd both be OK. So when we lost him, I felt so
unbalanced. It was like falling off a Cliff.
Well, so I understand if you're afraid of losing her.
If she's growing up and moving on, I'm stuck here.
Same old towel. Same old towel isn't so bad.
Love yourself. Towel of losing her.
You have to fight to stay by her side.
He can't fight. Look at him.
Yeah, actually he can't. He beat someone with a beanie
last season. Also, that was not dead.
So there's that. Wow.
I really like the support of parents in this show.
So far so good. You haven't met all the fans?
No. Stop it.
That's his background. Well, you got bad.
Thought we knew that from the first episode.
It's getting worse, though. I like Elle.
Oh, what? Yes, complete news to me.
This is a brand new information. I bet you've all been laughing
behind my back, because I've been so.
Laughing. Oh, no, no, no, I forget Elle
can do better and she probably doesn't even like me back.
And this is probably going to destroy our friendship.
It's going to destroy our friendship group and it's going
to leave me devastated for years to come.
Probably so this is a really selfish and stupid thing to do.
But you should do it. But I'm going to tell her.
Yes, I support this. Help me.
Help him? No.
Finally. Validation.
All right, Caitlin only season 2 or episode 2.
Family. What did you think?
Love him. Hate him.
It was a family. I thought it was very good.
Like you mentioned earlier, the supportive families are all
pretty much there. I think the most important thing
that really came out of that episode is you might have missed
the line, but and Charlie was with Nick, he asked me if you
wanted food and he said I'll eat it home.
And then his dad was like, do you want something to eat?
And he said I ate at Nick's and he ate nothing.
So. Yeah.
And Charlie's clearly in a bad mental place where he's blaming
himself for everything. And this is how it's
manifesting. So that was very, very important
that happened. Thank you for pointing that out.
Yes. Yeah.
Because I remember Charlie's very internal, so he's not going
to say things like you have to watch him.
Yeah, I'm glad that Elle and, well, Tao really are just like,
come on, move things along. I need them to just either get
together or, you know, to be honest, I kind of wish that
Elle's finding her people and I think if maybe she shouldn't be,
this how maybe she's gonna. That's my personal opinion.
I. So the issue is the school she
wants, she's trying to go to is far away from where a cow lives.
So there's going to be a distant situation if she gets in and
she'll be there for two years. So there's that.
But like, yeah, she's finding her people, which is so, so
important. And that was kind of like, you
know, the point of, like the support of family, too.
Like families are not just blood relatives.
Families are your friends and your support system and like.
Neil has multiple families. She has the new friends.
She's making it. You know, the arts college.
And then there's Tao and Charlie and Isaac, who are, you know,
and Tara and Darcy also. So like, you have more than one
family. That's fine.
Yeah, I thought it was great. I'm very upset about the whole
image and Ben thing. She can do better.
She can do much better. And I hate that herself.
Esteem is so low. Or she's like there's a lot of
friends. Next are based on a guy so far.
Yeah, which is really what you heard her say it.
She's like, I don't have a lot of friends.
Like this is all she has. So she's like clinging to the
people she has and not like, exploring other options.
Also, she's there a lot, like go hang out with Tara.
Darcy and Li don't really think she's in their friend group.
No, I know that. I know that's what she's really
like, go to the same school like, but she goes to the other
school to hang out. Because those are where her
friends are. Like, I get that, like that
would probably have been me. Like my friends are mostly guys
growing up. So like I wouldn't have had
friends in the girls school. So like, I get where she's
coming from. That's why it's so sad.
But like she's like, no, we've been friends since primary
school like for years. He's good.
I you know. But Ben's got issues.
We'll put it that way. But overall we are just seeing
more Ben. So I think we'll see him grow
more this season. I'm hoping at some point he.
Turns into a better person. It probably won't happen this
season, but maybe we'll start to see a change.
Do you know more about Ben? Yep.
OK, Theore knows way too much now that she can't actually say
out loud. Yep, I say that's wishful
thinking for Ben. I'm curious to see what they do.
I know what happens in the book, but like.
And they seem to kind of be following that, but there's a
lot of filler that the show's doing in between because it's
graphic novel, so it's very fast.
And a lot of these tertiary characters like pop up in and
out, and they're flushing, like imaging is brand new, so I don't
know what this is. Her and Ben together is brand
new. So I don't know, like they're
trying to flush them both out so they're doing different things,
but I know what ends up happening in the end, and that
doesn't sound hopeful. It's not Ben hopeful that we're
going to stick with Ben Missouri.
Ben Hope. I know I don't get his name.
He's like the opposite of Hope. But I think there's a lot going
on with Ben and I think he's rooted in reality, to be honest.
Like all the characters are, you know.
So what did you think of the episode?
There's a lot of Nelly in this episode, so you must have liked
it. Hey, Nelly was adorable.
I know I need to not focus on Nelly so much, but I mean.
Have you seen her? Everybody loves her, including
Charlie. Yeah, we learned that Nelly
loves Charlie. I also learned that.
All right. So how much would you hire here
for lesbian Jesus from Simpson? I'll give it an 8 because I do
like the the addition of David because I think that was needed
in their relationship to move things along a little bit.
Because they were kind of like stuck.
And we're not telling people, they're just stuck in
themselves. And I mean, like, that's a good
place. They're by themselves right now.
And it's not necessarily bad, but we need to move some things
along a little bit. Yeah, I'll give it a nine.
Again, very strong episode. I like the incorporation of the
families and they took the time to focus on certain side
characters like. Tau and L, which is really good.
And L and the art school is all different from the book.
Like they're those characters are brand new.
So I like that they're incorporating new queer
characters in in using L as a vector.
So I really like that. There wasn't enough.
Isaac. Isaac was barely there.
Yeah, I had that one scene, right?
Yeah. But I understand.
So they're focusing more on L and Tau in this episode and I
totally get that. Yeah.
It's just hard when they don't talk about your favorite.
No, the the, the reason I'm knocking a point off basically
on the 10 scale is because with Charlie and the school
struggling, that kind of almost felt like it came out of nowhere
a little bit. Like they just transitioned into
like Charlie's now doing really badly at school and I like.
Yeah, no, that was very abrupt. That was abrupt.
That felt abrupt. Again, That part's not in the
book either. So, like, it just felt very like
the transition was abrupt and that I was really confused.
But I thought they were like, both really good at school,
Right? So or at least, like, not
failing miserably like, he is like that.
That's what I mean on why. Yeah, that just seemed very
abrupt to me. I understand why it's there.
I do, because it's been two months.
Charlie's internalizing a lot of this Knicks stuff, blaming
himself and he harms himself. He has self-destructive behavior
and so I guess it's affecting his score.
I just didn't see any evidence leading up to that.
It just was all like poop. Here it is.
So that's the only reason I'm knocking off a point.
Just that transition, because everything seemed fine last
episode. Not only that, it's just there
was number like indicator that he was struggling in school
leading into this episode. Like there's no discussions
about it. There was no hints at that.
Like, usually they drop hints that build this, just like got
dropped this episode. Like it could have been like a
bad grade on a paper and he just like shoves it in the locker or
something. Yeah, like something.
Exactly. So that's the only reason I'm
knocking off a point. Other than that, everything
about this shows as always, brilliant.
They introduce new characters. You got Sara, We've got the
Lambert school kids. I think that was mostly the new
characters that I hope we see more of because they seem like
fun and so excited to see where it goes.
Really like the representation in the show, that this is a very
important show for many, many, many, many, many reason.
Then the show has added some more queer characters on the
books have, which is amazing because the books are very
queer. So it's great.
This is a very important piece of media and I'm happy that
we're able to watch it and talk about it, and happy that other
people are. Engaging with this too.
It's it's it's so special and so good and it just it feels real,
which is what makes it different.
And it's the characters. Even though they're in high
school, they don't have that like overly naive out like
outlook on life that makes them like unrealistic characters.
Like they feel very like real grounded dealing with real
issues. They're.
Sad and happy and all the things.
And it's just a very good trip. I love it.
So I'm excited to see where we go from here.
Plus Olivia Holmes in this episode and she was adorable.
I love him. She's the Nick and she's the
Nicks doing great and so much she's like, she's the cuteness,
you know, she's like from God the best.
So that was hard to stop for season 2 episode two.
We will continue on our journey to get through this season, and
until next time, hydrate for lesbian Jesus and get it up all
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