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Hello and welcome to Big Gay 
Energy. 

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I'm Caitlin. 
And I'm Fiora. 

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Come along with us while we dive
into the fun and nuances of 

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queer media. 
Representation matters, and 

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we're. 
Here to talk about it. 

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Cheers, queers. 
What's on the big gay agenda 

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today, Theora? 
Today we're going to be 

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discussing XO Kitty season 3. 
We have a show with a queer lead

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that has made it past one season
2 seasons, three seasons. 

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Will there be a season 4? 
I think probably, probably. 

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There's no ending here. 
I feel like there will be a 

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Season 4 that's going to be the 
last season. 

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Yeah, I feel like it has to be 
that's, that's how they're doing

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it like the different terms and 
then. 

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Highly delegate also cuz like I 
don't foresee them continuing 

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this outside of high school is 
the thing. 

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They could, but. 
What will be the next spin off 

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of To All the Boys I've Loved 
Before? 

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Yeah, that's the real question. 
What's the next generation 

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anyway? 
So today we're going to get into

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everything to do with Season 3. 
So if you have not seen season 3

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in its entirety, we will spoil 
it. 

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So please go watch it, then come
back to this. 

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And yeah, that's basically it. 
This is not a scene by scene 

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breakdown. 
This is going to be like all of 

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our other coverage of XO Kitty 
Season 1 and Season 2. 

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So also, if you want to get 
caught up, go check out our 

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other episodes. 
We also have select reaction 

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episodes on YouTube to Season 1,
Season 2, and the entirety of it

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on our Patreon if you want more 
XO Kitty content. 

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But today we're just going to be
overviewing the things we like, 

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didn't like, and everything in 
between about XO Kitty Season 3.

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Let's. 
Do it. 

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Let's do. 
It so I think we have to start 

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with the obvious, which is that 
the Kitty and Mino shippers got 

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their fill this. 
Season they did. 

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If they're pissed off, I don't 
know what's wrong with them. 

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OK, I don't. 
You got everything. 

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I feel like they're going to be 
pissed off at Kitty being like, 

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I don't trust him. 
They're going to be mad about 

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that. 
Yeah, it's fair. 

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Yeah. 
But, you know, so, yeah. 

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OK, so we have to just say we 
were wrong. 

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They were. 
We thought that that was the red

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herring ship. 
They they are in fact, the end 

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game ship. 
There's too much symbolism now 

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at this point with me. 
You know, Kitty, the tree, all 

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the pair. 
They explicitly had a parallel 

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going on with LJ and Peter and 
you know, and Kitty that was 

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made it very predictable. 
But they're the end game ship. 

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That's just with Kitty. 
That's just what it is. 

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So overall, like, and I'm not 
mad about that. 

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Kitty is a bisexual woman. 
She can do whatever she wants. 

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That was not erased. 
It's fine. 

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I thought they were very cute 
when we didn't have the drama 

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that we must have. 
Yeah, honestly, they. 

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Are fairly they're cute. 
I see them happy. 

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They're cute. 
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I'm not mad about it at all. 
Like it was nice to actually see

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them happy in a season. 
Like more happy than not. 

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That's true because usually 
because they've been the will, 

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they won't they for a while. 
So we get got a change in tone 

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between the two of them. 
So that was kind of nice to see 

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like in more than like 5 second 
bits, you know, like the teaser.

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Yeah, and actually have 
conversations where they talk. 

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Yes, yes, they actually talk, 
although Kitty really needs to 

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work on her insecurities and 
that was a theme of season. 

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Yeah, Speaking of Kitty, I just 
let's talk about her in the 

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first episode because she was 
really self sabotaging her. 

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Like she's a really good at self
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But like this episode in 
particular because she was 

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looking forward. 
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bulldozed her asking to go on 
the world tour. 

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So she never actually ends up 
going and I know which girl you 

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had the opportunity to go around
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You do you take that 
opportunity. 

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I understand that she ended up 
going to be with her sister but 

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like. 
Well, her sister came up and 

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Katie's going to choose family, 
but yeah, I know prior to her 

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knowing that. 
She sabotaged herself, Yeah, but

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then she was like, OK, I'll go 
to Busan with him and have 

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romantic time together, alone 
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Yet she got upset when she 
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with him when she's the one who 
invited the boys to Busan. 

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Yeah, but she did that for her 
because she's like, I need to 

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know if he likes me. 
Please wing man me at the 

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expense of Q and his 
relationship. 

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He's like, oh, I really want 
alone time with my boyfriend, a 

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kid. 
He's like, my plot line is more 

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important because I'm the main 
character. 

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You need to come with me and 
sacrifice your relationship for 

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me. 
It's like girl. 

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I'm #1. 
On the top. 

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And then she had to. 
Go do what I say. 

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Seriously. 
But then like and she just walks

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her a life like that. 
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that ended up backfiring majorly
for kitties. 

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So yeah, it's her insecurities. 
That's what I mean. 

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Her insecurities are her own 
worst enemy. 

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Like that was her theme this 
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And like, did she? 
Did she work on? 

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That the issue I think is that 
every season it's like, did she 

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work on it? 
Because like she's we sing the 

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same traits throughout every 
season with Kitty and it's like 

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she doesn't learn. 
I feel like every single season 

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we have been like, Kitty, stop 
interfering in relationships. 

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Kitty, stop doing this. 
Stop doing this and then we get 

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the same thing the next season. 
OK, I have in my notes. 

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It's like the writers are 
allergic to character growth for

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Kitty, not other characters. 
No, just Kitty. 

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Just Kitty. 
It's just Kitty. 

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And it's really annoying after 
three seasons because it's like,

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and I understand that meddling 
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That is the her Hallmark trait 
in the family of this whole 

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interconnected with all the 
movies and stuff. 

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But like Kitty doesn't actually 
grow as a character and it's 

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getting annoying because like 
this is supposed to be a like 

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coming of age story because it's
set in high school. 

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But what has she like? 
What has she learned? 

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I don't think she's learned 
anything. 

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Definitely not school. 
She. 

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Learned a little bit of Korean. 
Oh yes, she did learn Korean off

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screen. 
I don't know where that came 

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from. 
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annoyed. 
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I have a whole rant about that 
once we get into her and her 

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cousin, but OK. 
Before we get into that, though,

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I just want to say something. 
We we joke about off screen. 

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That is now Canon. 
It is Canon. 

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There is no consensus on how to 
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Is no consensus and it's Canon. 
Well, OK, Mino, Mino like this 

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season, this season, I would say
that's Minho because everyone 

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except Kitty says Minho, which 
makes it no. 

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I don't understand why the maid 
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be like, all right, guys, this 
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name Because it's not even like,
oh, the Americans pronouncing it

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differently. 
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Minho, it makes no everyone. 
And I'm so sorry for whatever 

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the pronunciation is. 
Minho is kind of like stuck in 

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my head at this point, but we'll
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forth because. 
No, it's there. 

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It's Canon that you can say it 
either way. 

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That's the thing. 
They establish that it's Canon. 

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All right, that's fair. 
And like Nino, the character 

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does not correct anybody. 
So like, it is Canon, there's no

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way to. 
There is no consensus on how to 

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say his name. 
So you can say his name however 

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you want, apparently, because 
like Exo, Kitty has made it 

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Canon that you can do that, 
which is wild. 

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But it was definitely very not 
jarring, but just like 

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interesting. 
Hearing it, there's no 

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consensus, you know, like accent
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So it could just be an accent 
thing, you know, the way he, you

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know, himself says things in a 
British accent. 

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So it's like his English will 
sound different from Kitty who's

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saying things in an American 
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So maybe it's just an accent 
thing and it's like. 

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And Q's like I'm gonna go with. 
That's how you pronounce your. 

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Pronunciation of it. 
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you know, like if he says one 
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it sounds completely differently
because the accent, but Kitty 

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says it's the same word. 
Like maybe that's just the 

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situation going on here that 
that's being canonized, which is

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fine because it's an 
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People are going to have 
different accents. 

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But to your point, even people 
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say like it. 
Nobody says it the same way, 

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which is it's just funny because
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And it's like, that's a detail 
the writers of like the 

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producers are just like, it is 
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That's all I'm saying. 
That's like, it's a bad thing. 

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It's just like weird. 
It's just weird. 

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I've never encountered. 
That, yeah, because it's like 

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not weird, it's like just 
interesting to choose to like 

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just ignore that or and if it's 
on purpose, like it's weird 

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that. 
He's a main character. 

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Thing that they're choosing to 
do but who knows just. 

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Ignoring that, who knows? 
Who knows? 

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Who knows? 
All right, what else do you want

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to talk about? 
I mean, we can keep talking 

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about Kitty, but that might lead
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I would just say that going 
along the lines of what we were 

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talking about previously, it was
a little painful watching Kitty 

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always trying to fix things 
because like, she thinks that 

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she's the best matchmaker and 
problems that solver despite 

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everyone around her telling her 
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Especially at that music video 
shoot for Eunice when she was 

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just trying to be helpful. 
I was like, girl, girl. 

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The best thing you can do right 
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'cause that's what they need. 
Yeah, I know you're not part of 

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the. 
Production. 

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And then like she ends up just 
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And this is after her stealing 
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Now granted, Yuri put her in 
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Why Yuri thought that that was 
even a good idea, I don't 

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understand. 
I mean, Yuri was drunk, wasn't 

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she? 
So like that's true 100% blame 

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her. 
But like, yeah, that was just be

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like, yeah, I'm going to take 
clothes out of a random closet 

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on a mega yacht. 
That's a great idea. 

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Look, that was insane for yeah, 
like she was not like mentally 

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all there. 
So like, the Kitty was sober and

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was like, yeah, let's do it. 
Like, yeah, no common sense 

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there whatsoever. 
And I don't know. 

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But like, this is this. 
I think. 

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Yeah, I think that the theme of 
this season was just like 

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kitties, Kitty has been chasing 
men and women, boys and girls 

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for like 2 seasons after she's 
like left day and then she's 

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like I'm floundering trying to 
figure my shit out, which is 

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like normal, that's normal 
coming of age stuff. 

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And then she like finally gets 
somebody in a monogamous ish 

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situation and then is super 
insecure because she doesn't 

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know what to do when she's in 
that situation. 

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She's always pushing other 
people to get in that situation.

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Now here she is and doesn't know
how to handle it and so like 

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she's fumbling everything which 
is like valid. 

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That's a valid coming of age 
thing. 

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But like she like majorly 
fumbles high stakes shit like 

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poor Eunice's like thing. 
But like you, just seems to be 

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at the brunt end of it every 
single time. 

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I know to an outsider it would 
look like Kitty's obsessed with 

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the sabotaging her it. 
Really does like it doesn't read

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well for. 
And like, something that really 

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has been really bothering me 
watching it and re watching this

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season is that she never goes to
check on you Eunice after the 

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yacht party. 
No, she. 

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Does and like that's. 
A good point. 

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If she like, she's such a fixer 
and if she's truly saw Eunice as

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her friend, she would have 
stopped that party. 

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She would have been like, hold 
up, hold up, I can fix this. 

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Let's go and drag Eunice back, 
switch the dresses and make sure

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everything's right. 
But no, she only cared about 

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herself in that moment. 
Right. 

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It was about me, know? 
Like she didn't give a shit 

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about Eunice, That's the thing. 
Like, yeah. 

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And like for Eunice, really does
get the end of everything. 

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Of the plot lines of everything,
yeah, Eunice can screw this 

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season. 
Oh, for Eunice, I don't know. 

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All right, Speaking of you, 
before we get back to Kitty, 

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before Eunice, can we go to the 
Speaking of Kitty's insecurity 

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and Eunice, can we talk about 
the Mino Eunice situation 

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because they he gets to be her 
manager because coincidence. 

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And then Kitty ends up in an 
insecurity situation when it 

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comes between the manager and 
his and the talent. 

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And I just have to say for 
anybody who's mad about this 

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plot line, like the bond between
a manager and the talent is 

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basically a very deep 
partnership that can rival a 

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romantic relationship in terms 
of time, trust, labor, 

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vulnerability. 
Like if you want a great example

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of what this is really like, go 
watch the French show Call My 

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Agent, because it very much 
shows you just how much of their

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life the manager has to 
dedicated to the talent. 

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And as a as an aside, there's a 
sapphic relationship in there 

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that's one of my favorites. 
But so just go check that out. 

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It's queer. 
But yeah, like, so like, and, 

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and Nina was somebody who grew 
up in the entertainment industry

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and like would be understanding 
of or would be prepared for how 

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much time it's going to take to 
manage somebody like that, 

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especially a rising star who, 
like, is going to need to do 

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more than an established star, 
like now to like, get her name 

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fully out there. 
And so like, you would think 

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he'd be able to communicate this
to Kitty, and maybe he does. 

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And Kitty just goes in one ear 
out the other. 

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We just don't see it because 
it's off screen because a lot of

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things happen off screen. 
But here's the deal. 

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Like the whole this whole fuck 
shit happens when Eunice 

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contacts him to be like don't 
tell Kitty, which leads to him 

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lying to Kitty. 
And I can see some people being 

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like, well Nino should have 
never lied to her. 

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Like yeah, I agree it's wrong 
that he lied in that situation. 

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However, I understand why he 
lied, particularly why he lied 

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to Kitty because see her track 
record when it comes to 

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sensitive information biggest. 
Blabber mouth. 

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Ever. 
I know and like yes, yes, to be 

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fair to Kitty, Kitty's heart is 
always in the right place. 

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It is, but her execution is 
usually messy and sometimes and 

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something that involve Eunice's 
privacy like this is something 

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he is the managers obligated to 
protect, like probably legally 

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with like Ndas and shit. 
So like you can't really get mad

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at him be like, oh, he's a bad 
boyfriend because he lied to her

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there. 
It's like no, no, no, this was 

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his job this to do this. 
And like I under like he was 

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probably legally obligated to 
like honestly not tell Kitty 

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about this because like what 
happens when you tell Kitty 

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stuff like everything like she 
immediately starts telling 

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people and it's like you can't 
trust she would get arrested 

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because NDA is breaking NDA's 
left right. 

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Like honestly, they probably 
should have had her sign 1 when 

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it came to just being friends 
with Eunice. 

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She would get. 
Sued immediately because she 

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would break that NDA the second 
she signed it. 

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That's what I'm saying. 
She's as far as getting arrested

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for breaking her ND as because 
like she could not be trusted. 

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So I know that was a point of 
drama between like Nino and 

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Kitty, but I like I think he did
the right personally think he 

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did the right thing, not morally
right, but like what was right 

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for that situation? 
Because if he would have been 

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like, I have to talk to Eunice, 
Kitty would have ran. 

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She was so insecure at that 
point. 

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She would have ran with it, dug 
shit up on her own, like you 

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know what I mean? 
She would have caused more 

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trouble like. 
No, especially and I think he 

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and Amino. 
Knows her well enough is the 

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thing. 
Like he knows her extremely 

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well. 
And for Eunice to be like, don't

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tell Kitty I need to talk to 
you, it had to be in something 

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serious. 
So like because Eunice didn't 

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seem like right the type of 
person to send those messages 

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Willy nilly like that's why he 
comes running at the end when 

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she's like 911SOS and he's like,
what is wrong? 

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I'm here. 
First of all, love him right? 

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But also like they even they the
show itself spent a fair amount 

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of time planting in our heads 
that Eunice is into Mino like 

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especially with the way that she
kept. 

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They tried. 
They tried. 

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They tried. 
It didn't, it didn't hit me at 

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all. 
It was it was only because like 

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she kept like interfering, like 
getting in the middle in the 

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Busan episode, the first episode
and and just again, it's the 

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manager. 
It's the manager. 

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Yeah, like honestly, but. 
The season, I will say, was 

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extremely predictable. 
Yes, it was. 

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It was extreme. 
Everything was predictable. 

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About it, I didn't predict one 
thing and that was really bad 

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because I usually predict that 
and I didn't anyway, they did 

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get a scene in front of the 
cherry blossom tree and that, 

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that's why I was like, you guys 
are trying too hard now you're 

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trying. 
Exactly as I mean, I'm like. 

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But like, also the the what what
Minho did wrong in that 

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situation was that he didn't 
notice that it was literally 

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directly outside Kitty's window.
Yeah. 

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That was a stupid place to meet.
Also. 

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You just never. 
Would have told him this 

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information out. 
I get you could overhear it in 

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the dorms but like you find 
somewhere else that's not 

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private. 
I know that was a really stupid 

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idea. 
For both of them, but also he 

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didn't know what was going on, 
to be honest, to be fair to him.

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But like there was no that 
happened off screen. 

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To like where to meet, but what 
would she like? 

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Just meet me out the tree right 
by kitties with me. 

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Yeah, seriously. 
No, that was the writers trying 

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to be like this. 
It looks symbolism. 

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There's actually something going
on here, even though it's 

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completely obvious, but it's 
not. 

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Yeah. 
They tried. 

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No, that was for Kitty. 
That was, too. 

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Hard in that scene that made it 
not land. 

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That's what I mean. 
This season was just so 

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predictable. 
I had less fun. 

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I will say I had less fun 
watching this season than the 

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other seasons just because the 
writing was very, it was 

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extremely predictable. 
Everything was predictable. 

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Honestly, I even predicted LJ 
was coming back. 

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I was like, oh, they're going to
bring her back. 

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They're paralleling, you know, 
and Kitty with Peter. 

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I figured that out for the first
episode. 

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I was like, that's why we're 
doing all that. 

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And then there we go, like, 
yeah, it was very predictable. 

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Anyway, the only element that I 
didn't see coming is Marius. 

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I did not predict Marius. 
How could I? 

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He just. 
Yeah, he. 

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Just showed up so I didn't 
predict. 

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Any thoughts about? 
Him. 

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Well, first, I didn't predict, 
just like with the storyline we 

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were talking about, I didn't 
predict that Eunice. 

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Eunice thought she was pregnant.
I should have. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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No, again, I think it probably 
briefly cost my head, but I 

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didn't think that they were 
going to go there. 

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Oh, actually wait, before we go 
to Marius on that thought, 

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something that I did actually 
like really I thought was a good

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thing and I'm surprised they 
wrote it in there with Eunice is

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the fact that. 
So just to round up the Eunice 

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thing, I feel bad for her on 
multiple fronts. 

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She went through hell this 
season. 

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But I do understand the plot 
line of being like, I got my 

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dream. 
It's not what I want. 

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I tried it, it's not for me. 
I'm going to step back. 

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Like good for her. 
That's a real thing. 

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The other thing I liked about 
her plot line is the the 

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pregnancy fake out thing is 
real, like what she went through

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because like with women, they 
don't because we don't talk 

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about sex education in like 
America or like what women's 

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bodies actually go through. 
So like that is a thing like if 

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women get so stressed out, the 
body is like now is not the time

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to harbor life and that can 
alter your menstrual cycle and 

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stuff. 
So that's a real thing that 

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women can go through that like 
maybe most women don't know 

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about because we're not allowed 
to learn about our bodies 

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because patriarchy. 
So I'm surprised they had that 

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in there. 
I'm like, that's actually a real

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thing and they actually put it 
in the show. 

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And I'm surprised because of how
just like coincidental, 

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fantastical everything was. 
The season I was like, that was 

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real. 
She actually got a real plot 

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line that I was surprised and 
it's not common. 

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So I applaud them for doing 
that. 

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That was a good touch to have 
that like moment with Unison Day

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where they were. 
Talking and she was like 

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explaining I love. 
I think this happened to me. 

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I loved. 
Unison day. 

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They were just. 
They're such wholesome 

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characters and like they're so 
good together because they truly

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do care about each other and 
like rewatching, they're 

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unproblematic. 
The only. 

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Amongst all the problematic 
people, basically. 

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When I was rewatching the show, 
I did see like they did try to 

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drop a hint that it was day 
because when he brought the 

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macarons too, the music video 
show, he's like, this is her 

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favorite from Paris, her Paris 
stop, which I mean like could 

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easily be played off. 
Like she talked about them all 

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the time, like on the phone. 
But that was them trying to be 

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like, hey, pay attention to 
this. 

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I mean, also, like I wouldn't 
have been wrong. 

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I mean this because this is a 
wholesome quote air quote high 

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school show. 
But like she easily could have 

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hooked up with a star because 
why not? 

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She's she's getting into fame. 
Like fuck the hot guy. 

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Like, go for it, Eunice. 
We don't care. 

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We're not, we ain't judging you,
girl. 

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Like, but we had to add some 
morality in there. 

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That's why it was day. 
Yeah, because we're always 

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teaching life lessons like 
hideous. 

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But I'm not mad. 
I'm not mad at her. 

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I mean, I feel bad for her 
because she like went through it

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emotionally this season, but I 
liked her plot line, honestly. 

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And and the resolution was day 
and day, getting his like 

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family, you know, get in the 
restaurant and all of that was 

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really cute too. 
Like I like their plot lines. 

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I thought they were. 
Good. 

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Yeah, I thought they were very 
good. 

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I liked seeing the interaction 
between Eunice and Mino and all 

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of that. 
We can talk about that in a 

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little bit too when we get more 
into Mino, but. 

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Sure. 
Yeah. 

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All right. 
Marius. 

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Marius. 
Any thoughts on him? 

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Here's the Who's the wild card 
this season? 

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Marius, I really did not like 
when you showed up. 

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You're not supposed to like him.
He's getting in the way of 

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everything. 
He's ruining everything. 

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I did. 
I'm glad like that. 

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This queer triangle did get so 
much screen time, though, 

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because it was like showing that
they really did care about the 

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other characters. 
It's not. 

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We did get a lot of storylines 
and we this is probably like I 

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would say plot B because we 
focused a lot on this story arc.

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And Marius, he grew on me, I'll 
have to say. 

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And like, he really pissed me 
off at first, but I'm glad they 

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didn't have him be the 
instigator for too long. 

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Like he he was for like 2 1/2 
three episodes. 

453
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,600
And then he became more likable 
when he talked to Kitty and 

454
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,280
actually like was real and 
figured out where his actions 

455
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,560
were coming from and talked to Q
about what was going on. 

456
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:34,120
I mean, this, this whole 
triangle, I first of all, it 

457
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:37,680
just makes me think, is it 
really that hard to not cheat on

458
00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,320
the person you are with 
currently? 

459
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,040
Because that's what this show 
makes it seem like. 

460
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:45,800
There's a lot of that. 
Yeah, a little bit, yeah. 

461
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
God, sorry. 

462
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,920
Now, there's just one thing that
I really liked with Marius and 

463
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,480
Q, and it's when Q was going 
through Marius's phone and 

464
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,840
trying to delete the photo that 
he sent to him over the summer, 

465
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:07,400
and Marius tells him, I deleted 
the photo, but you can't delete 

466
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,600
the fact that you sent it. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

467
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,240
It was so good because, like, 
it's the absolute truth. 

468
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:20,800
And Q needed, first of all, Q 
needed to mention it to Jin when

469
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,120
he informed him of who Marius 
was. 

470
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,000
And then also he needs to think 
about there's a reason that he 

471
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,720
did send it in the first place. 
And like, that's what he has to 

472
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,120
figure out because you don't 
just do that out of. 

473
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:41,600
Nowhere. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have. 

474
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,200
I have the love triangle 
situation. 

475
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,840
That's a different point, but 
I'll get to them after to 

476
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,600
piggyback off you. 
But first, I just want to talk 

477
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,560
about Marius as a person. 
So I I agree. 

478
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:55,320
I loved him as the villain, 
honestly, in the beginning, to 

479
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
your point, like even though 
like, yeah, I don't know, I 

480
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,440
liked him as the villain because
he was basically Q's scorned X. 

481
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,440
And like, again, we we've been 
in this situation where we have 

482
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:10,360
like XS like Kitty was days X, 
but then they like did it as 

483
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:15,360
this like cutesy thing. 
Not really like jealousy, like 

484
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,320
coming back to ruin my life kind
of plot line. 

485
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,440
So like because we have people 
in more established 

486
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,200
relationships now, we have the 
ability to do that plot line. 

487
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,760
So I liked him coming in out of 
nowhere, being this like huge 

488
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,120
part of their friend group. 
Excuse me? 

489
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:34,160
He comes back, he's like a chaos
agent in terms of like the 

490
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,200
stability of all the couples. 
And then like he comes in as the

491
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,880
scorned X and just like starts 
scorching stuff. 

492
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,400
So I like that. 
First of all, I thought it was 

493
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,920
good drama situation based on 
where all the characters were. 

494
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,000
But to your point, they humanize
him when you actually get to 

495
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,480
know him because you don't 
actually know him. 

496
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,720
You just have this superficial 
image of who he is, how Mino 

497
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,000
sees him. 
He's like, oh, he's the party 

498
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,440
guy like this and that. 
And then Q's like, oh, he was 

499
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,280
like my closeted boyfriend who 
left me and like for 

500
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,800
heterosexuality at some point. 
And then like, so you get all 

501
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,360
these like negative and then 
like superficial impressions. 

502
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,960
But then like it's because the 
character hasn't opened up. 

503
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,840
And then when the character open
UPS, you're like, oh, he's a 

504
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,880
human being, which is just how 
humans work. 

505
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280
So loved all of that. 
Again, very predictive based on 

506
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:25,640
this show, but what I didn't 
predict and what I loved and my 

507
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,920
favorite scene with him is when 
they're at the amusement park 

508
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,160
and he has the heart to heart 
with Kitty on the bench because 

509
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,160
not only does it humanize him to
Kitty, but they bond over being 

510
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,760
chaotic bisexuals. 
Like that is actually what that 

511
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,880
scene is about. 
So I really, I love the 

512
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,440
character. 
I love that scene for the 

513
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,440
characters because they see each
other as like, Oh, you're we 

514
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,160
have more in common than we have
different. 

515
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,880
And it's but it which I love, 
but it's also a good 

516
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,720
representation moment. 
OK. 

517
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,360
Because Marius bonds with Kitty 
over basically trying to figure 

518
00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,880
his sexuality out. 
He's like girls versus boys. 

519
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,960
That's where I was at. 
And that's when I fucked shit up

520
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,600
with Q. 
So things got messy with Q 

521
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:06,920
because he couldn't figure it 
out. 

522
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,080
And then he's like, oh, you 
wouldn't understand that Kitty. 

523
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,800
But then Kitty does understand 
better than anybody else in that

524
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,800
moment because like that's been 
Season 1 and Season 2 of XO 

525
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,800
Kitty. 
And so I love it because we, we 

526
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,920
rarely get depictions of male 
characters discussing their 

527
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,160
sexuality and confusion around 
that. 

528
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Like we're getting, we got in 
that scene with Marius and Kitty

529
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,400
and the fact that he was 
explaining his exploration of 

530
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,960
that, not just this like 
disgust. 

531
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,440
I don't know what's wrong with 
me. 

532
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,720
Like the toxic masculinity 
response. 

533
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,920
He was like, I was trying to 
figure out what I wanted, and I 

534
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,640
fucked it up because I'm a human
and humans make mistakes. 

535
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,040
And he was so vulnerable about 
it. 

536
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,880
And like, again, we rarely get 
that with male characters. 

537
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,640
And so I appreciate that scene 
for what it was and the 

538
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,640
representation that was in that 
scene. 

539
00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:55,200
And I love how it was written 
and acted. 

540
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,280
And I thought that was probably 
one of the best scenes in this 

541
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,640
season, to be honest with you. 
And I really enjoyed having 

542
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,160
that. 
Yeah, that was a really great 

543
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,040
scene and just a great way to 
show that they're on the same 

544
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,160
page with him actually calling 
her Kitty for the first time, 

545
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,320
which was sweet. 
Yeah, because they have more in 

546
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,720
common than they have different.
And yeah, I just love that. 

547
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,600
It was a chaotic bisexual 
bonding moment. 

548
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,600
That was lovely. 
OK. 

549
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,520
And then to transition to the 
gay triangular situationship 

550
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,040
thing with Marius Q and Jen that
you talked about, this was messy

551
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,160
gay drama I could get behind in 
the season. 

552
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,560
This is probably one of the 
highlights, I guess, for me as 

553
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,600
well. 
So like again, to sum it up, Q 

554
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,120
is mad at Marius for being a 
confused bisexual and dumping 

555
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,880
him in the past. 
But then Q became a confused gay

556
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,440
when Marius comes back into the 
picture and he's got all his 

557
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,560
unresolved feelings. 
And then Jin gets mad at Q when 

558
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Q chooses to quote figure things
out with Marius, and it's like 

559
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,680
we're trapped in confused gay 
purgatory with this triangle. 

560
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,520
So it's a funny, like, not funny
funny, but it's like a clever, 

561
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,880
interesting dynamic that we have
going on. 

562
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,000
I thought it was like fun messy 
gay drama. 

563
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,680
If we're going to have messy gay
drama, you know what I mean? 

564
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640
They. 
They were messy gays, they were 

565
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:20,000
and messy bisexuals, etcetera. 
And one thing I do love from 

566
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,600
this dynamic is when we get the 
dinner at Dave's restaurant and 

567
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,440
Jin's mother and Jin's mother, 
Q's mother is there. 

568
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,160
And I love how fiercely Jin 
defends Q to Q's mother, which 

569
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200
leads to the conversation 
between Q and his mother in the 

570
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,760
car ride home, which is probably
one of my favorite scenes in the

571
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,520
series as well because it was 
like she opened up about like 

572
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,480
herself to her son. 
And it's kind of another. 

573
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,480
It's very similar to the Marius 
Kitty scene where it's like we 

574
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,240
have more in common than you 
think we do. 

575
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,840
And it's like, I was a messy 
teenager just like you were. 

576
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,400
Even though I'm perfect, I seem 
to be perfect now because kids 

577
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,840
see their parents as perfect. 
It she was like, no, I also make

578
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,400
mistakes. 
I learned from them. 

579
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,040
I just don't want you to repeat 
them. 

580
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,640
And I want you to do better than
me. 

581
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,400
And it's like one of those 
situations where he couldn't see

582
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
that she couldn't see how she 
was being hard on him. 

583
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,680
And then like they bond and I 
especially love in the car ride 

584
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
where she's like, don't let go 
of gin because he seemed he 

585
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,080
cared. 
The way he behaved shows that he

586
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,160
cares more about you than what I
think of him, which means he his

587
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160
love for you is real. 
Like that's real. 

588
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,800
The fact that he was so brave to
stand up to me in Asian culture 

589
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,360
where like you never do that, 
where like that goes to show how

590
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,400
much Gin cares about you. 
The fact that he bypass that 

591
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,680
huge social pot like to do that 
for Jed and she recognized it 

592
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,640
and I do love that mom was aware
of that and was like the fact 

593
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,120
that he did that means like. 
Don't let that happen That 

594
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:54,400
that's probably my favorite part
too, is just when she's like, he

595
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,720
cares more about you than what I
think. 

596
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,400
That's the alert love you 
deserve. 

597
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:07,640
And it's just so sweet. 
And like, just to see a mom say 

598
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,720
that, be like, she's not caring 
about herself in that moment. 

599
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,240
She truly cares about what's 
best for her son because she 

600
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,560
could have been like, oh, yeah, 
I love Marius. 

601
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:23,320
Like he's he's so sweet. 
And I like my buddy because he's

602
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,680
just doing what she wants. 
But like you said, it's if he 

603
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,320
needs someone to protect him and
have his best interests. 

604
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,840
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605
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608
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613
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614
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,640
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615
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,280
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616
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618
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619
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621
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623
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,560
And if you want to talk about XO
Kitty is what? 

624
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,800
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625
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,520
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Come join our Discord where you 

626
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,600
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627
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Yeah, join the fun. 

628
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,160
Do it. 
All right, let's let's you know,

629
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,120
let's talk about Yuri. 
We haven't talked about Yuri in 

630
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,000
a while. 
And I was afraid the writers 

631
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,480
were going to forget about her 
this season, but they did not. 

632
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,360
And I was pleasantly surprised. 
She kind of got she got like 

633
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,400
pushed to the sidelines in 
Season 2 a little bit. 

634
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,760
It's very all right. 
But I want to talk about her and

635
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,000
Day and their whole situation 
because this was a really 

636
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,760
interesting season for them 
because of the whole like 

637
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,040
lawsuit thing. 
Their roles were reversed pretty

638
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760
significantly in terms of power 
and money. 

639
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,320
And that made things awkward for
a bit, especially for Yuri, 

640
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,920
because Yuri has never been in a
position of being not in power 

641
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,520
when it comes to Day. 
She's like basically his boss 

642
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,400
for like a long time. 
And then that gets reversed and 

643
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,560
it takes a bit. 
But I do like that ultimately, 

644
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,160
they help each other out when it
comes to navigating their new 

645
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,320
lives. 
And like, OK, we knew that Day 

646
00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,120
was going to help Yuri because 
that's who he is as a human 

647
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:01,960
being. 
He's just very nurturing and 

648
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880
caring and would do anything to 
help people. 

649
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,880
But I was pleasantly surprised 
to see that there was like, it 

650
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,600
was mutual in terms of like, 
here's how you navigate having 

651
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,840
money. 
Here's how you navigate not 

652
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,199
having money and like, make the 
most of it kind of thing. 

653
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,320
So on the latter half of that, 
when they were at the theme 

654
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,960
park, like Day is the one that 
helped facilitate fun at the 

655
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,120
theme park without having VIP 
status for Yuri. 

656
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,520
And Yuri ended up having a great
time because she was like, I 

657
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,840
don't know how to do this 
without like attendance and 

658
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,320
stuff like that. 
And he's like, I got you. 

659
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,880
He's like, here's all the street
foods. 

660
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,880
Here's how you like navigate 
lines like, and they ended up 

661
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,560
having a really great day 
together. 

662
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,199
Like you know what I mean? 
It's so sweet to see their 

663
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,480
friendship blossom rather than 
get crushed and torn apart. 

664
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,600
Because like that easily, like 
she could have been resentful 

665
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,800
because he took everything from 
her. 

666
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,280
But she wasn't like, she was a 
person who actually understood 

667
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,240
what was happening. 
And I just, I loved their growth

668
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:04,480
together. 
And I love the line, the the 

669
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,400
scene in Busan at the yacht 
party when she's like, now I'm 

670
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,840
the only broke. 
And I believe it was that Busan,

671
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440
like, she's like, I'm the only 
broke one in her friend group. 

672
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,400
And he's like, yeah. 
And then she realized that, oh, 

673
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,240
I'm talking to the person who 
was the broke one of the friend 

674
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:23,320
group. 
And she's like, I can't really 

675
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,240
complain because this guy also 
had this experience. 

676
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:28,760
And I think that helps them bond
even more because they know 

677
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,120
exactly where the other one is 
at this point. 

678
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,160
Yeah, totally. 
So like Day. 

679
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,760
Yeah. 
So Day helps her, like, have fun

680
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,000
despite not having money 
because, like, to her, money 

681
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,400
equals happiness. 
And then she learns, oh, maybe 

682
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,880
not. 
And then on the other end of 

683
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,680
that, Yuri helps Day realize 
that money opens new doors, 

684
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,160
especially the colleges that he 
didn't previously have access 

685
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,720
to. 
So he was like, super fixated 

686
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,480
on, like, getting the 
scholarship to go to 1 college. 

687
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,160
And he's like, that's the only 
option for me. 

688
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
And she's like, you have money 
now, like you have more options 

689
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,320
than you realize. 
So maybe you could like take a 

690
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,280
new look at what you want and 
what where you want to go that 

691
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,520
you didn't think about because 
there were no other options for 

692
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,240
you or you didn't think there 
were. 

693
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,760
So I like that basically they're
like, it's kind of like a grasp 

694
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,040
is greener on the other side 
kind of situation where the 

695
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,360
other person didn't was blind to
it. 

696
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
And then like the other 
character opens their eyes to 

697
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:25,280
it. 
So it's it's kind of cute. 

698
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,040
So they kind of in a way grow 
together in a way I wasn't 

699
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,000
expecting to really see this 
season. 

700
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,480
And I thought that was really 
cute and good. 

701
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,120
The way it was written and the 
way their story progressed, I 

702
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,600
really enjoyed. 
That I agree. 

703
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,320
And something that I found 
interesting was I, I don't think

704
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,240
it was on camera. 
I think you just mentioned to me

705
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,320
briefly how you were interested 
to see how the money would if it

706
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,560
would change day. 
And I found it very interesting 

707
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,600
that it did change day and the 
fact that he was able to buy 

708
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:04,400
things and but it didn't change 
him as a person. 

709
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,960
And I love that's what I figured
was going to. 

710
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Happen and first of all day is a
gigantic golden retriever and I 

711
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,720
just I love him for it like he's
he tries so hard to be there for

712
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:17,800
everybody love just quick shout 
out to that scene of him trying 

713
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,080
to help Q through the breakup 
because he couldn't talk to 

714
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,800
Kitty like he's like oh so. 
He's like, you're going to talk 

715
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,520
to me about feeling. 
And then he's like, oh, it's my 

716
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,960
turn again. 
It was so cute. 

717
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,760
Oh my gosh, I love him. 
And I liked with his story that 

718
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,600
they showed that sometimes money
doesn't change you, it just 

719
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,880
opens up more opportunities 
because so many times it's like,

720
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:48,480
oh, money doesn't buy happiness.
Like it's even when you have a 

721
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,160
lot of money, you're not happy. 
But they're showing here and 

722
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,280
like, this is real life, like it
gives you more opportunity, 

723
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,840
opportunities to do what you 
want to go out there and 

724
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,760
actually succeed. 
Because now his family was able 

725
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,680
to open that restaurant and they
would never have been able to do

726
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,280
that without the settlement. 
And they're actually succeeding 

727
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,520
and, like, happier. 
So yeah, I, I just, I like that 

728
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,480
comment. 
It's not typical for what you 

729
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,800
see. 
Yeah. 

730
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,240
So like, yeah, because I was 
commenting that on that, Like 

731
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,760
how will that change day? 
Because it it's going to change 

732
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,840
him because it it changes his 
mindset. 

733
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,360
Because to Yuri's point, she's 
like, you're looking at your 

734
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,200
life through this narrow lens, 
but now that you have money, 

735
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,760
there's a bigger lens to see so 
you can make different choices. 

736
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,800
So like Day will then approach 
life differently because he can 

737
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,920
see options that weren't 
available to him, so he can 

738
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,280
explore things that weren't 
available. 

739
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,240
So it is the opportunity thing 
and how having options and 

740
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:47,960
opportunities will ultimately 
change Day as a person, like 

741
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,280
he's going to change. 
Change is not always a bad 

742
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:51,720
thing. 
Like it's going to change him in

743
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:52,880
a way. 
So that's why I was curious. 

744
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,840
I'm like, how will it actually 
change Day? 

745
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,240
I didn't think it was going to 
make him evil and selfish or 

746
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,480
like, you know, but it will 
change him. 

747
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,360
And that's why like when they 
were at the theme park, it's 

748
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,400
like, I'm going to buy all the 
food. 

749
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Like he was never in the 
position to do that before. 

750
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,280
So like he turns into a 
philanthropist. 

751
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,320
That's how it changed him 
because he couldn't be 1 before.

752
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,520
So it did change day. 
But you know, it's like giving a

753
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560
golden retriever money. 
It's going to be very different 

754
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,760
than giving like Lex Luthor 
money. 

755
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,920
Yes, definitely. 
So it's it's still change like 

756
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:26,480
at the end of the day. 
And I'll get back to something 

757
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,360
about Yuri and her storyline 
that I have a slight issue with,

758
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,120
but I wanted just to counter the
days changing. 

759
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,280
Eunice had a storyline that 
we've been talking about and 

760
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,480
like she did change because of 
fame. 

761
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,840
It wasn't well, technically 
that's money too. 

762
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,840
Like fame and money changed her 
for the worst a little bit. 

763
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,120
Like she was ordering people 
around. 

764
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,720
She was, I mean, she had to be 
tired like there's. 

765
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,440
She was overwhelmed. 
Like she's in that position 

766
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,680
where she's like, God, no time. 
You can't be mad at her for 

767
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,120
that. 
But it did change her. 

768
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,080
And but she did a great job of 
bringing herself back to Earth 

769
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,480
when she was, like hit with the 
life crisis and just being like,

770
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,800
this is not what I want. 
Like she didn't, she didn't. 

771
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,160
Yeah. 
She didn't like who she was. 

772
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,440
She didn't like this life, and 
so I'm glad that she was able to

773
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:27,880
recognize that and get back to 
who she was because that's the 

774
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:33,560
best version of her and. 
Yeah, she also really wasn't 

775
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,640
prepared to be thrown into. 
That that was, yeah, that was 

776
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,320
crazy. 
She went from zero to 100. 

777
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,600
Yeah, and, and she was, you 
watched her try and navigate. 

778
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,360
And The thing is like, you can't
be mad at her. 

779
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,560
You watched her try and navigate
like the very beginning where 

780
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,800
she started getting noticed, 
like at the theme park by fans. 

781
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,440
Like she was engaging with the 
fans. 

782
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:54,600
She's like, oh, you recognize 
me? 

783
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,160
Yeah. 
And then she was engaging and 

784
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,240
then she, you see how that 
spirals out of control. 

785
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:02,160
Like you give the fans one inch,
they take 10 miles from you. 

786
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,400
And that's when it started 
getting to her. 

787
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,280
She's like, Oh my God, I'm not 
safe anymore. 

788
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Like, so you see the way like 
it, it also like harped on like 

789
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,000
toxic shipping culture and like 
how that ruins her life and like

790
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,320
takes over and then she has no 
life anymore. 

791
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,160
And that's when she was like, I 
don't even want this. 

792
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,320
Like, I didn't know it was going
to be like this. 

793
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,160
It's like the, you know, life of
a showgirl you didn't see behind

794
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,320
the curtains. 
And now she does. 

795
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,040
And she's like, OK, this wasn't 
what I thought it was. 

796
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,880
I'm willing to step away from 
this. 

797
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,200
It's not what I want. 
And that's and that's a valid 

798
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,680
thing. 
Now, if she was somebody who was

799
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,600
like, no, this is what I want. 
I want to be AK pop star. 

800
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,160
I don't even care what it takes.
And she was so ambitious about 

801
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,160
it that she's willing to deal 
with it or like present a 

802
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,920
different way in public. 
Like that's fine too. 

803
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,080
But so I like that she has let 
her choice and what she wanted 

804
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:50,360
to do. 
She didn't let herself be 

805
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,520
coerced by Mino's dad, who's 
like, you need to get her to do.

806
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,440
She signed a contract. 
She used to do this no matter 

807
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:57,720
what. 
Again, she signed a contract. 

808
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,800
So like, I don't know how she 
actually got out of this, you 

809
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,520
know, legally, but you know, she
didn't let herself get taken 

810
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,280
advantage of by her manager and 
not manager by the producer, I 

811
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,880
guess whatever his role was. 
But it helped her that she had a

812
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,200
manager who was her friend and 
was actually looking out for her

813
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,480
because it could easily have 
been her manager was like, no, 

814
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,480
you're my ticket to money. 
Therefore I must coerce you into

815
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,240
keeping doing these things. 
You know what I mean? 

816
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,440
Which that relationship can also
be toxic because they're 

817
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,000
dependent on each other for 
money. 

818
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,600
So like but because Nino was 
true to his friendship first, it

819
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:38,080
made this more of a cutesy 
situation, not a this could 

820
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,120
easily be toxic and abusive 
situation. 

821
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:47,520
So that I think made it gave 
Eunice an easier Ave. to quote 

822
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,640
go back to her normal life, go 
back to herself. 

823
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,880
Even though she was herself the 
whole time. 

824
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,320
She was just herself in a brand 
new situation. 

825
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,760
She's learning to navigate it. 
And also in that culture, like, 

826
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,000
yeah, Eunice was bossing people 
around because people expect her

827
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,320
to. 
They let her do that. 

828
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,760
They tell her, you you need to 
tell me what to do, boss me or 

829
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,800
like people want her to do that.
So like, it's like she's playing

830
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,920
a role. 
And that's true. 

831
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:15,320
That is very true and fair. 
Yeah. 

832
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,440
I've you brought up how like 
there's a contract. 

833
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,240
Don't know how she got it. 
I feel like Mino. 

834
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,400
I don't know how I mean. 
First of all, we have legal. 

835
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,120
What's legally? 
Bossing it, yeah, it's exo Kitty

836
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,960
we separate. 
Doesn't make any sense. 

837
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:32,520
Honey, there's no reality. 
Yeah, this is like a fantasy AU.

838
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,120
If you were in an International 
School, it could, as a child, do

839
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,720
literally whatever you wanted. 
That is what the show is. 

840
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,880
There's. 
It's not if it's real. 

841
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,480
But I feel like Mino had to do a
lot to get her out of it. 

842
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,160
I think he sacrificed behind the
scenes. 

843
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,960
Yes. 
Yes, with off screen. 

844
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,320
Off screen, he had to sacrifice 
a lot more than just his job and

845
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,800
relationship with his. 
Dad, I agree. 

846
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,720
I agree. 
He probably had to pay some 

847
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:00,280
stuff out and like, yeah, 
there's so much logistical 

848
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,920
things that I think he took over
himself because he is dedicated 

849
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:10,720
to doing this job and I think 
he's going to go far in it also,

850
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,480
if I think that was all. 
But if we were to see that in 

851
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,160
Exo Kitty, yes, he'd be the most
famous manager ever because 

852
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,400
that's just how it goes in the 
Exo Kitty reality. 

853
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,760
Absolutely. 
Anyway, do you have anything 

854
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,280
else about them? 
OK, I'm just going to say 

855
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,200
something quick about Yuri and 
learning to live like a normie. 

856
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,880
Just something that I did not 
like is the fact that Kitty 

857
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,560
basically forced her to sell her
clothes to go back to their 

858
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,360
school and. 
Stay in there. 

859
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,800
Seriously. 
And the issue was like and stay 

860
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,320
in the dorms because first of 
all, Yuri could have found a new

861
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,760
home in another school like or 
at the very least she could have

862
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,120
lived at home to save money. 
She didn't live that far, I. 

863
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,840
Know. 
And like, no, this was crazy. 

864
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,480
And this was purely just for 
Kitty to be happy because, like,

865
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Yuri did not have to sell the 
things that she valued just for 

866
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,840
Kitty to be happy. 
But like, I guess maybe the show

867
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,400
was trying to sell the story 
that, like, friendship is more 

868
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,400
valuable than possessions. 
But you could see, but you could

869
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,320
see that Yuri was like, But my 
possessions, they also bring me 

870
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,240
happiness, and that's OK. 
Yeah, she was also. 

871
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,360
Yuri is like, this is the all I 
have left of my old life. 

872
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,840
Yeah. 
So like, she just, she her life 

873
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,080
just got turned upside down in 
the matter of weeks. 

874
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,200
And she's like, this is all I 
have. 

875
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,800
Kitty and Kitty's like, yeah, 
but you can sell it to pay for 

876
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,040
this semester. 
Yeah, just the semester. 

877
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,760
What are we doing next? 
That's what I mean. 

878
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,400
I'm like, I'm like, girl, yeah. 
What's she doing next semester? 

879
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:40,800
Girl? 
She What do you? 

880
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,360
Like and like. 
Again, cuz Kitty like is as a 

881
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
girl of privilege, she was just 
like, dad, I'm doing this, I'm 

882
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,440
going to the school like it's 
happening and it's just like she

883
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,240
gets what she wants all the 
time. 

884
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,560
And it's just like, yeah, Yuri, 
if you, you know, this is the 

885
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,440
toxic version of like you put 
your mind to it. 

886
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,160
You can do whatever you want, 
but I'm like, girl, there's no 

887
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,400
longitudinal planning here that 
like Yuri's broke next semester.

888
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,680
Like then she's still in this 
situation. 

889
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,320
This is a Band-Aid and then she 
doesn't have clothes to sell. 

890
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,920
Then why like? 
Honestly, you can only do this. 

891
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Yuri's storyline really made me 
disconnect from the other 

892
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,760
characters because I'm, it made 
me realize, Oh yeah, all these 

893
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,320
characters have a lot of money. 
They can literally do whatever 

894
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:25,080
it why do I care? 
So it really I it made me more 

895
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:29,680
connected to Yuri, but was more 
like, why are we here with the 

896
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,280
rest of the characters? 
I mean, yeah, that's how I feel 

897
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,680
about rich people problems all 
the time. 

898
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,200
I mean that's if you go back, 
watch season 1, Season 2, that's

899
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,720
day. 
Day is that character. 

900
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,560
You're just like, he's like, I 
can't fuck up anything because 

901
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,560
if I do, I'm out of school and 
there's no second chance for me 

902
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,200
And like that's. 
What actually matters? 

903
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,400
And through this whole thing. 
Yep. 

904
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,280
But yeah, no, that was crazy. 
The way it was framed as like 

905
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,160
kidding her friends together. 
And therefore sell all your 

906
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,120
stuff so I can have you as my 
roommate. 

907
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,240
I was. 
Like yes, in the dorm with her 

908
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:04,200
ex. 
In the door you got telling her 

909
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:08,520
girl, I think she doesn't. 
She doesn't tell them like she 

910
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,120
doesn't tell you like Juliana or
like. 

911
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,080
Kitty and you do it again. 
Like if she stayed at home and 

912
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,560
lived at home, she would have 
still been going to school with 

913
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:19,720
them. 
They still would have seen each 

914
00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:20,400
other. 
Yeah, totally. 

915
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,400
First of all, they could have 
seen each other no matter what, 

916
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,040
because you know you still live 
in the. 

917
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,680
Same state they're in school we 
always forget about. 

918
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,320
We forgot that they're in 
classes this semester also. 

919
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,720
Well, we did have a few classes 
only when it pertained to Kitty 

920
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:36,800
and not being good at it, right?
And then offspring. 

921
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,960
She got good at it. 
Somehow, very quickly, I have to

922
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,200
write that paper. 
That's my question anyway. 

923
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:49,480
Where was I? 
Nope, I lost it. 

924
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Something like, yeah, I guess I 
got it. 

925
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,080
If she lives in the Yeah, so 
like. 

926
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,360
There's that. 
She could. 

927
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,680
They could have seen each other 
no matter what. 

928
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,920
But if she lived at home, she 
could have had more money to pay

929
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,760
for the next semester. 
Yeah, totally. 

930
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,360
So it makes no sense. 
It was purely selfish for a 

931
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,400
Kitty. 
It was. 

932
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,880
It also is convenient for the 
writers because they need them 

933
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,440
all to live together so that 
Juliana and Yuri, but it's not. 

934
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,040
Like she can't just visit 
either. 

935
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,280
She could just visit them and 
have sleepovers. 

936
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,760
It makes no sense anyway. 
It doesn't make sense. 

937
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,160
No, it doesn't. 
It's because this is fantasy 

938
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240
school. 
This is a fantasy story. 

939
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:36,240
If you didn't think you liked 
fantasy genre, this is a fantasy

940
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,560
genre actually. 
But it's just it, I'm not 

941
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,640
kidding. 
It's just in modern, a modern 

942
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,520
setting. 
This is a fantasy story. 

943
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,200
Fantasy YA story. 
That makes sense. 

944
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,160
All right, since we're here, 
since we're back in the dorms, 

945
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,800
let's talk about the sapphic 
triangle. 

946
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,160
I guess that they are trying to 
create for drama reasons. 

947
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,840
So something I did and that's 
that pertains to Juliana, Yuri, 

948
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,560
and Praveena. 
And before we jump into that, I 

949
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,560
just want to talk about like how
Yuri and Praveena becoming 

950
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,600
friends was not something I 
expected, but I'm glad it 

951
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:11,640
happened. 
I thought it was really, really 

952
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,840
sweet in the beginning where 
they were just genuinely bonding

953
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:19,040
because they had things in 
common and I like that part of 

954
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,760
it. 
I like that when Praveena bought

955
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,840
the I think it was, was it tea 
or whatever the drink for the 

956
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,520
drink for Yuri and was like, and
Yuri thought she was just like 

957
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,480
pitying her because she didn't 
have enough money, but she's 

958
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,720
like, no, I truly wanted to buy 
this for you. 

959
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:38,600
I it was not because of 
anything. 

960
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,280
I just want to. 
I think we should talk and get 

961
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,920
to know each other for Juliana. 
And like that makes total sense 

962
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,960
and I did. 
If it would have gone the way 

963
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,840
that it could have, it would 
have been really cute and really

964
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,640
cool to like have that friend 
group and have them be close. 

965
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,280
But XO Kitty can't let them be 
happy. 

966
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,520
No, no one's allowed to be 
happy. 

967
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,280
Well cuz I think what this 
season did is it established all

968
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,160
the end game ships cuz that's 
all it did. 

969
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,960
That's true. 
I Yeah. 

970
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,600
So. 
The end game ship is we have one

971
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,640
more. 
Season this is this is how we're

972
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,040
gonna. 
Yeah, that's where we're headed.

973
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,240
So here's what I want to say 
because to your point, the 

974
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:22,920
Provina and Juliana breakup came
out of nowhere. 

975
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,560
Like it literally like Juliana 
had like 3 lines and then this 

976
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,320
cams like I was at the beginning
of the show I was like they're 

977
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,120
Pluto and Juliana because she's 
barely in it, barely has lines. 

978
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,960
And then like the Provina 
Juliana breakup. 

979
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:41,120
They've Pluto Provina even more.
Yes, she got Pluto the most, but

980
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,480
here's the thing about the 
breakup. 

981
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,640
I appreciate how the two Why is 
it that the side characters are 

982
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,360
more mature than the main 
character? 

983
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,760
Because, OK, because it's less 
interesting, I guess. 

984
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Not for me, but. 
I don't understand it but yeah, 

985
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:58,320
like their conversation was the 
most adult breakup I've ever 

986
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,280
seen and they're like 17. 
OK. 

987
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,800
And honestly, like, and then 
watching their breakup and the 

988
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,760
way they handled it, like, 
Julianna Provina might have been

989
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,880
the most mature relationship in 
the whole series. 

990
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,400
And I'm honestly upset the 
writers ended it, to be honest. 

991
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,640
Yeah. 
And the way that Praveena was 

992
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,560
like, I deserve to have to be 
with somebody who gets excited 

993
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:25,640
when I walk into the room to 
like know that she deserves that

994
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,320
type of love. 
And she's like the way that you 

995
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,160
look at Yuri when she walks into
a room. 

996
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,520
So like she's. 
Which like, did that really 

997
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,160
happen? 
Did the writers really show us 

998
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,960
that they barely did? 
Yeah. 

999
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,320
That she has residual feeling? 
Like yeah she had like 3 scenes 

1000
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,080
preceding this so this felt like
it came. 

1001
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Out, yeah, They needed more 
screen time, definitely. 

1002
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,680
I feel like they had more. 
They had to have had more scenes

1003
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,640
that got cut. 
And maybe they cut them. 

1004
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,760
But like that was that was 
terrible to cut because we 

1005
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,160
needed more. 
We are getting the very least 

1006
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,800
amount of growth, not growth, 
but like on screen depiction of 

1007
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,240
this relationship because 
they're always getting 

1008
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:08,280
sidelined. 
Yeah, the. 

1009
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,920
Sapphic plot line got Plutoed 
for the gay boy plot line and 

1010
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Kitty and MiTo. 
That's what happened. 

1011
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,520
But here's the deal about the 
Juliana Provina thing. 

1012
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,360
I am upset that they broke them 
up because I think they were the

1013
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,880
most mature relationship. 
But I here's what I think 

1014
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,760
happened. 
I anticipate the writers had a 

1015
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,080
difficult time concocting drama 
between the two of them because 

1016
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:35,400
this relationship was so mature 
or other thought the writers 

1017
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,120
ignored the lesbians all 
together until they needed a 

1018
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,320
deep plot slash, something else 
for Yuri to do that wasn't too 

1019
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,880
deep because I throw Yuri in it 
and they're like, yeah, they 

1020
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,760
have feelings still for each 
other, even though I've we've 

1021
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,880
barely showed you anything on 
screen that corroborates that 

1022
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,160
They're like, I think the 
lesbians. 

1023
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:54,480
Are the. 
Here's my. 

1024
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,240
Theory and or they're just like 
there's no drama. 

1025
00:52:57,240 --> 00:53:00,640
My theory is this. 
They did not. 

1026
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:07,800
They are like the sapphic women 
are not giving us enough of our 

1027
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,720
goal like money and views I 
guess. 

1028
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:11,560
Correct. 
Yes, now that. 

1029
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,280
Is that is correct? 
But we still have that audience,

1030
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,320
so we need to make them a little
happy. 

1031
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,520
So let's throw them a bone, 
because apparently we want 

1032
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:25,080
Juliana and Yuri together. 
I don't care who's with. 

1033
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,120
Who? 
I just want them all I was. 

1034
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,760
I wanted Juliana and Provina 
together honestly. 

1035
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:33,040
They, yeah, they would have been
great together. 

1036
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,080
However, they jumped into that 
relationship where Juliana 

1037
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,160
didn't have time to process what
happened, like she didn't have 

1038
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,280
time to heal. 
So like they they just, she just

1039
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,760
got into that relationship. 
That is true. 

1040
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,640
That is true. 
But like she was like Juliana 

1041
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,400
betrayed me. 
I mean jury betrayed me. 

1042
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:54,080
So I make it. 
I like her pining still. 

1043
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,800
I don't know. 
It was just there's not enough 

1044
00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:58,680
of her. 
They're awesome. 

1045
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,760
You don't get to see her process
any of this or like her pining. 

1046
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,360
It's just none of it's there. 
Just be like off screen. 

1047
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,400
This is still happening by the 
way, and it's like. 

1048
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,200
What? 
They also keep harping on the 

1049
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,280
first love thing like you can't 
get over your. 

1050
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,160
That's what I don't like. 
Yes, that's what I don't like. 

1051
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,440
Except with Q, he's the only one
where they're just like, he's 

1052
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,560
not into his first love anymore.
He has Jin now who's better? 

1053
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,280
I'm like, well, I mean, again, 
they gave the gay, the gay men, 

1054
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,400
all the actual character growth.
I'm like, yeah, the lesbians 

1055
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,160
just got. 
That's what I mean. 

1056
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,120
They gave a deep plot. 
They had to give a plot to 

1057
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,200
Yuriana, to Yuri that that 
wasn't deep. 

1058
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,480
So they'd be like, oh, she's 
still hung up on her first love.

1059
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,360
Sure, the audience will believe.
That I mean, like The thing is, 

1060
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,520
it would be more plausible if 
Kitty was somewhat in the day 

1061
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,080
still, because like Kitty, 
that's what I mean. 

1062
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,440
Like it's only the lesbians 
thought that so. 

1063
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,440
It's a it was a very lazy, 
they're just like, we'll we'll 

1064
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:57,320
lean on this trope without 
giving you any substance to back

1065
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,440
this up. 
Like there's no receipts really 

1066
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,960
for it. 
It's just a trope that they 

1067
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:03,240
leaned into. 
So that's why I think like they 

1068
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,240
forgot about the lesbians. 
And then they're just like, 

1069
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:09,280
shit, we need a another subplot.
Yuri needs something else to do 

1070
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,720
that isn't being poor. 
So let's just bring Juliana back

1071
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:13,920
into it. 
Honestly don't think that. 

1072
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,240
They're out of nowhere. 
Either because that's what 

1073
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,160
that's what's being shown. 
The writers ignored the lesbians

1074
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,760
all together until they needed a
D blot. 

1075
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,720
Yeah, that's what I think they 
did. 

1076
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,880
And again, you're again all 
this. 

1077
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,560
This show really hinges on 
relationship drama. 

1078
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,720
And there is no drama between 
Provina and Juliana because they

1079
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:35,520
were in such a mature 
relationship. 

1080
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,360
I think they had to break them 
up because there is no they 

1081
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,880
can't use them for drama. 
What's the point of characters 

1082
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,400
if you can't use them for drama?
They could have been the wise 

1083
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:49,560
lesbians that taught Kitty how 
to actually be in a 

1084
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,280
relationship. 
Kitty would never listen to 

1085
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,240
them. 
Kitty doesn't listen to Kitty. 

1086
00:55:55,240 --> 00:55:57,040
She doesn't. 
That's Exo Kitty. 

1087
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:02,640
That's the subtitle. 
Like the whatever Exo Kitty 

1088
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,280
Kitty doesn't listen to. 
Anyone. 

1089
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,000
No, not even herself. 
It's crazy. 

1090
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,600
OK, Speaking of Kitty. 
So Kitty and Yuri, let's talk 

1091
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,480
about this real quick. 
They mutually friend zoned each 

1092
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,000
other from the first scene. 
If anyone out there was like oh 

1093
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,720
will Kitty and Yuri be a thing? 
No immediately they they both 

1094
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:26,920
friend zone each other and 
season 3 proceeded as if they 

1095
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,600
were never into each other at 
all. 

1096
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:32,720
Yes, like they just erased. 
They didn't like it ever 

1097
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,480
happened. 
So I was like, wasn't there that

1098
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,240
whole thing where they kissed in
the last season? 

1099
00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:42,040
Like there was nothing there. 
There was nothing, No. 

1100
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,640
And so that ship is officially 
lying in a watery grave next to 

1101
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:50,080
the Titanic, like they were just
like they are friends mutually. 

1102
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:51,880
They're never going to talk 
about this. 

1103
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,800
It was just it was annoying, 
just like, and I'm not like mad 

1104
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,040
that kitty's with me. 
You know, it has nothing. 

1105
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,840
It's not that at all. 
Like I'm just like we had this 

1106
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,400
plot line. 
It was like a big deal. 

1107
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,800
And then like it really had no 
resolution whatsoever. 

1108
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,800
They were just like an off 
screen like again, what's off 

1109
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,120
screen Jet? 
They mutually were just like, 

1110
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,640
we're friends. 
So, and here's the thing. 

1111
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640
And like I have to harp on this 
because I understand like saffic

1112
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,400
people are going to be upset 
because that was the ship 

1113
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,440
everybody wanted because like we
all would like a main character 

1114
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,440
to be at a saffic relationship. 
And I, I do, I very much 

1115
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,520
understand that. 
And if you're here and you're 

1116
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,480
upset about that, go watch Thai 
girl love media because you'll 

1117
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,600
there's a plethora of women 
dating women and that's the 

1118
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,760
whole plot. 
So like, just go over there and 

1119
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,920
like eat your fill because it's 
glorious. 

1120
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,520
And so in Western slash American
media, it's extremely 

1121
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,600
frustrating to like never be 
able to have a sapphic queer 

1122
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,320
lead that's in a sapphic 
relationship. 

1123
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,800
So I understand that 
frustration. 

1124
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,640
I'm with you, I get that. 
However, just because Kitty is 

1125
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,960
not actively dating a woman does
not negate her queerness at all.

1126
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:02,520
In fact, they did still put her 
in situations that, like, as a 

1127
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,680
bisexual woman that were unique 
to her, that could happen. 

1128
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,160
So the conversation with Marius 
where he was like explaining his

1129
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,440
past, trying to figure out 
being, you know, bisexual, 

1130
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,960
pansexual. 
He didn't label it, but it 

1131
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,960
doesn't. 
And he doesn't have to. 

1132
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,760
But she understood him there. 
And then at the very first 

1133
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:22,040
episode where she's like 
insecure about Nino being a 

1134
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,520
manager and posting photos for 
work of him with his client. 

1135
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,880
And she's like, oh, I'll make it
seem like I'm having the best 

1136
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,680
summer ever. 
She did the unique queer human 

1137
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,920
thing that only a career woman 
can do where she had the picture

1138
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,920
with the hands with different, 
like nail Polish to be like, 

1139
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:40,000
yeah, I'm with a woman because 
again, she's still bisexual at 

1140
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,760
the end of the day. 
Like it doesn't erase that just 

1141
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,120
because she's with a man, like 
it doesn't. 

1142
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,600
And so like, I'm not mad about 
it, but the fact that Kitty is 

1143
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,280
not with Yuri and that's not the
end game ship, I'm not mad about

1144
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,720
that. 
I'm just like, I feel like that 

1145
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,920
whole thing, like it's almost 
like Yuri was used for drama. 

1146
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,760
Like, it's like Kitty's 
bisexuality was used strictly 

1147
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,600
for drama. 
And then like, you know, and 

1148
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,240
then they just like, not ignored
it, but just like abruptly 

1149
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,120
didn't even finish like ending. 
They didn't really give a 

1150
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,520
resolution to that. 
They just kind of like off 

1151
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,480
screen moved on. 
And that really is like 

1152
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,640
upsetting, you know, and like, 
kind of like, OK, so you used us

1153
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:23,120
for shipping with Kitty, like 
the sapphic, you know, people 

1154
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,400
for shipping and then threw us 
aside. 

1155
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,560
And then in this season, we're 
just like, you'll get some 

1156
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:33,080
crumbs with Juliana and Yuri. 
That's like also clearly an 

1157
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,920
afterthought in the writers 
room. 

1158
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,200
So it's just like, I'm tired of 
being in this situation with 

1159
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,120
sapphic media in like Western 
media, which is why I don't even

1160
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,120
watch it anymore because it's 
like, what's the point? 

1161
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:47,040
This is not it's not fulfilling 
for me. 

1162
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,360
It's like why I'm watching this 
so Kitty can have no character 

1163
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,560
growth. 
Like like Nina was great. 

1164
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,360
I think every character in the 
show was great this season 

1165
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,080
except Juliana because they 
forgot about her and then Kitty.

1166
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,760
Everybody else was great. 
I was. 

1167
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:06,040
Pretty much. 
Sorry if that bothers anybody 

1168
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,320
but like. 
Yeah, I know. 

1169
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:09,960
I'm sorry. 
Just honestly watching the show 

1170
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:15,160
I'm like, I was more invested in
anything but Kitty. 

1171
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Yeah, I was into Mino's manager 
career like I was in today. 

1172
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:24,600
I was, I was into the the boy 
love triangle with Q, Jen and 

1173
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,000
Marius. 
I thought Marius was 

1174
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,000
interesting. 
Madison had a side plot going on

1175
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,000
with her bestie where I'm like, 
are they dating? 

1176
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:32,320
What are they? 
Doing OK. 

1177
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,280
Just real quick, I love Madison.
Just I need her to get more 

1178
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,400
because there's so much 
potential there with her 

1179
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,000
character. 
Yeah. 

1180
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,560
It's like, I know she's like the
comedic relief, but like you 

1181
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,120
could give her stuff too. 
And like we saw a little. 

1182
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,800
She totally could a little bit 
in this season. 

1183
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,880
I would just love to see more of
Madison. 

1184
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,240
She was hilarious. 
And then day in Eunice, like I 

1185
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,240
like every I like all the stuff 
going, even Kitty's like family 

1186
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:03,640
stuff like LJ was back. 
Like it's just like the writers 

1187
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,720
are just allergic to character 
growth for Kitty. 

1188
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,760
And it's like we're three 
seasons in, guys. 

1189
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,600
Like what are we doing? 
Is Kitty like not going to have 

1190
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,080
any character growth at all in 
Four Seasons? 

1191
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,280
Like what are we doing? 
Honestly, we're. 

1192
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Still at elementary. 
Very frustrating to all the boys

1193
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,960
I've loved before, right? 
I'm like, what are we doing 

1194
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,120
anyway? 
So that's Kitty and Yuri, I 

1195
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:33,680
guess. 
Let's see, last, last thing I 

1196
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,480
have before I just have like a 
giant Kitty rant is LJ and 

1197
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,360
Kitty. 
So I was very glad that LJ was 

1198
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,760
back and like in more than one 
episode because we had we when 

1199
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,880
she first showed up. 
We're like, Oh, I hope I'm like,

1200
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,760
oh man, I hope she comes back 
Because like I feel like they're

1201
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,800
mirroring the shutting up a foil
between like LJ's relationship 

1202
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,600
and then Kitty and me now, which
they were because they're not 

1203
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,600
subtle, but we didn't do the Oh 
my my sister's on the phone with

1204
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,200
me thing. 
Like they actually had her in 

1205
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,240
multiple episodes. 
So it was really nice to see 

1206
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:11,200
her. 
And just the they're really 

1207
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,920
hinting super heavily that like 
LJ and Peter's relationship is 

1208
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,960
going to mirror Kitty and Mino's
like the long distance things 

1209
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,440
that work out in the end. 
We're an end game ship no matter

1210
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:22,920
what. 
So like they really are just 

1211
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:26,200
hyping harping on like the end 
game ship thing with you know, 

1212
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,200
and Kitty, which again, I'm not 
mad about, but I'm just like you

1213
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:30,960
guys are not not subtle with 
your writing. 

1214
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,800
No. 
Which like, it's Aya story, I 

1215
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,600
guess you don't have to be 
because that the audience 

1216
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:41,360
doesn't pick up on subtlety as 
well I guess. 

1217
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,800
I wish Laura Jean came in and 
did more to like teach Kitty 

1218
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,240
because like when she was there,
she's like, I came here to help 

1219
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,720
Kitty, but really, she helped me
more than I thought. 

1220
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,280
That's a whole other rant that I
have. 

1221
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,640
Sorry, 100%. 
Yeah, OK. 

1222
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,920
But yeah, no, you go ahead. 
Go ahead, you can. 

1223
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,320
I'll just jump into my Kitty 
rant now. 

1224
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:15,840
Sorry sorry I just lost all 
thoughts. 

1225
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,480
That's OK. 
What else did you have before? 

1226
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:24,160
We were going to jump into Kitty
and me now unless you want to 

1227
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:25,080
talk about me know as a 
separate. 

1228
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,840
Person I don't know, we can just
I mean I only have that he's 

1229
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,120
like, I love this growth and 
stuff and like. 

1230
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,440
I think it's worth saying I 
don't have any other points 

1231
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,920
other than like the issues I 
have with Kitty. 

1232
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,480
I mean, I'm just I'm glad that 
we did get an episode where 

1233
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,800
Laura Jean actually visited 
Kitty because I was burning that

1234
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,560
when we had that little bit in 
the summer that like that was 

1235
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,000
going to be it and like the 
rest, rest would be text. 

1236
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,680
And so it's like great to have 
because I was worried that they 

1237
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:04,560
were going to not ruin, but like
misuse their opportunity to have

1238
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,920
that actress in the show because
there's so much ample 

1239
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,640
opportunity with the two of them
and the storylines possible. 

1240
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,440
Now, I'm not totally thrilled 
with how things went, but I 

1241
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,760
think it was sweet to see the 
sister bond because that I feel 

1242
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,480
like that's the heart of the 
movies as well. 

1243
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,360
So yes, and like we really got 
to get back to that and like the

1244
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,880
family aspect of it. 
Well, I think they're doing a 

1245
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:35,320
found family aspect. 
That's all the friends, which is

1246
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,000
fair. 
Which, yeah, and that that's 

1247
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,560
fine too. 
Yeah, but I'm glad they used I'm

1248
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,200
with you. 
I'm glad they had the actual 

1249
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,680
sister bonding stuff. 
And then they brought in their 

1250
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:50,360
cousin too, which was also 
really sweet because it's like 

1251
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,400
Kitty has connected with her, 
you know, mom's family also, 

1252
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,360
it's not just her family back in
the States. 

1253
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:59,040
And so I liked having those 3 
characters together. 

1254
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,200
I don't like how that all went 
down in that scene, but which 

1255
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,200
I'll rant about in a second. 
But I enjoyed having like the 

1256
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,040
three of them interacting at all
because I didn't think they were

1257
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,160
they were going to do that, but 
I was glad they did. 

1258
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:18,640
Yeah, I agree. 
OK, Speaking of Juan and Kitty, 

1259
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,640
OK, so this is going to, if you 
love Kitty, just skip ahead like

1260
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,520
20 minutes because I'm going to 
rant about Kitty for a minute, 

1261
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,000
OK? 
And it's mostly it's not Kitty. 

1262
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,200
Oh, it is Kitty, but it's the 
way they write Kitty. 

1263
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,360
And my first complaint about 
Kitty is that we are three 

1264
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,880
seasons in and like Kitty's main
character syndrome really needs 

1265
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:42,160
to change because every season 
she is the same thing with 

1266
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,680
Kitty. 
She unintentionally harms people

1267
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,080
by meddling in their lives, 
which causes issues, but 

1268
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,320
inevitably to your point, you 
sent him a second ago. 

1269
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:54,480
By the end, whoever's life she 
meddled in thanks her, which 

1270
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,920
reinforces this behavior. 
So Kitty faces no actual 

1271
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,680
consequences, but she fucked 
shit up. 

1272
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,960
It is my least acts, my least 
favorite aspect of XO Kitty. 

1273
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,000
And it that's really hard to say
because like she's the main 

1274
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,600
character and I like really hate
her behavior that drives all of 

1275
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:11,560
this. 
And it's a lot of this is a me 

1276
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,560
problem because like I can't 
stand people who meddle in other

1277
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,880
people's lives in real life. 
It drives me insane because it's

1278
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,160
to me, it's such like a invasion
of privacy. 

1279
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,240
It's like ripping people with 
their autonomy. 

1280
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:29,800
It's like people don't behave or
have no empathy for you, things 

1281
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:33,040
like that. 
So personally, it's a pet peeve 

1282
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,400
in life, the kitty's behavior. 
And then narratively in the 

1283
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:40,160
story, it bothers me because 
Kitty never grows out of this. 

1284
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,160
And the drama from season 1 to 
season 2 to season 3 just feels 

1285
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,680
really repetitive because it 
always follows the same format. 

1286
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,760
It's the same thing for three 
seasons straight. 

1287
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,560
So it's like feels like lazy 
writing because you're hinging 

1288
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,320
on this one character trait that
she she has from when she was a 

1289
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,640
child in the movies and you're 
like, we can never change this 

1290
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:04,680
one character trait she had as a
child, even though she's almost 

1291
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,880
she's an adult now and she's 
still behaving childishly. 

1292
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,560
And it's like, why are we still 
doing this? 

1293
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,800
Like it just feels it's boring 
after a while. 

1294
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,680
Why as a story? 
It's still in romantic fantasy 

1295
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:20,440
world like. 
I don't I mean romantic fantasy 

1296
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,080
world's fine, but like why must 
she keeps behaving the same way 

1297
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,680
and it keeps causing problems 
and then like at the end they're

1298
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,480
like thanks Kitty for causing 
problems. 

1299
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,400
I better off because you caused 
problems every season. 

1300
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,040
It's always that it's so 
annoying after a while like have

1301
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:39,040
her do something else. 
It can still be driven by the 

1302
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,840
fact that she wants to match 
make but like why must it always

1303
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,080
follow that format is my 
problem. 

1304
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,160
It is boring and it makes it 
predictive. 

1305
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,160
So it's like not fun to watch 
because I'm like, I already know

1306
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,120
what's going to happen. 
Kitty, who, who's her target 

1307
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,800
this time that she's going to? 
Who's life she going? 

1308
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,320
To the answer is. 
Everyone. 

1309
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,000
It is literally everyone, every 
single season. 

1310
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:04,000
OK, and then OK and then in this
season, season 3. 

1311
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,080
I never loved a character in the
series more than when Juwan 

1312
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,800
tells Kitty off because Kitty 
lures her into the aquarium as a

1313
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,520
bribe to extend her homework 
assignment. 

1314
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,880
But of course Kitty couldn't 
leave it at that. 

1315
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:21,279
She then sets up her cousin on a
blind date with Alex, another 

1316
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,760
professor at the school, and 
Joanna rightfully points out how

1317
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:28,240
Kitty is putting her teaching 
job in jeopardy twice. 

1318
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,279
Like this wasn't the first time 
she did this and clearly it 

1319
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,640
never crosses Kitty's mind. 
Kitty sees the world through 

1320
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,680
rose colored glasses like an 
optimistic child. 

1321
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,080
This is what I mean. 
She they never have this 

1322
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,319
character grow out of childhood 
and she only sees the romantic 

1323
01:08:43,319 --> 01:08:46,359
potential when when her cousin 
with her cousin's happiness 

1324
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:50,319
without actually listening to 
her cousin about what she wants 

1325
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:53,920
and needs. 
So then I love the moment where 

1326
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:57,479
Joanne calls Kitty out and then 
she rescinds the deadline 

1327
01:08:57,479 --> 01:09:01,560
extension and adds consequences,
which is you have to write 10 

1328
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,080
more pages than everybody else, 
OK. 

1329
01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:09,000
And honestly, Kitty needs tough 
love and accountability like she

1330
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:12,560
needs it because she's basically
lived her entire life without it

1331
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,200
and hasn't grown into a 
responsible adult who's ready to

1332
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,240
be on her own. 
And I applaud her cousin for 

1333
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:21,520
giving Kitty the tough love like
this. 

1334
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,040
And what actually happens in the
story? 

1335
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,200
Kitty rises to the challenge 
despite doubting herself, and 

1336
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,359
without realizing it, she proves
she is capable of doing anything

1337
01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,080
she sets her minds to because 
she meets the deadline and does 

1338
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:38,399
the extra work even when that 
task seemed impossible. 

1339
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:41,760
OK, so Kitty does do it. 
She proves she can grow off 

1340
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:42,680
screen. 
But then why? 

1341
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,560
What? 
But what do the writers do with 

1342
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,560
this plot line? 
Cut to Juan confessing her 

1343
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,160
pregnancy and telling Kitty she 
was right about everything and 

1344
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,240
apologizing to Kitty. 
So the writers fucking sabotage 

1345
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:56,320
themselves just like the 
character. 

1346
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,280
And it's like, we had we had 
Kitty prove she could grow and 

1347
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,720
then you were just like, Nah, 
because they're allergic to it. 

1348
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,880
I don't get it. 
They're allergic to it. 

1349
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,720
Why did you write this? 
That's fair, This. 

1350
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:11,880
Is me off OK? 
Yeah, maybe bad. 

1351
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:17,000
I was like, you proved she could
do it, and then like, you fumble

1352
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,360
that hard and there's like mad 
at that. 

1353
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,760
Kitty doesn't grow. 
Come on, guys. 

1354
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:26,360
Like she proved she can do it. 
But if we ignore that part of 

1355
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:32,600
it, I love that Juan actually 
tells her like up, straight up, 

1356
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,240
that like, you manipulated me 
into this. 

1357
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,880
Like, this is what you're doing.
You aren't matchmaking, you are 

1358
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:43,400
manipulating me to spend more 
time so you could hang out with 

1359
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,680
your boyfriend. 
And then she also says that I 

1360
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,840
think you're still too focused 
on, which she totally is. 

1361
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,880
And like the first day of 
school, Jiwan also warns her 

1362
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,040
that she wouldn't be getting 
special treatment from her. 

1363
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:59,520
And I love that Jiwan sets 
boundaries with Kitty. 

1364
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:03,600
She's the only person to set 
boundaries and she does follow 

1365
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,600
them for the most part. 
Like she she does not give Kitty

1366
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,240
special treatment. 
The only special treatment she 

1367
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:13,600
was given was that 5 minute 
warning before she brought 

1368
01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:20,080
Professor Lee to the party. 
Wake up at the party. 

1369
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,200
Yeah, but then also, she was 
going to give her an extension 

1370
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,520
too. 
Yeah, that's fair. 

1371
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:26,920
So like, she was, she was 
crumbling. 

1372
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,320
But then like, again, as a she 
was like, you're you're fucking 

1373
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,240
me over again and not listening 
to me. 

1374
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:37,040
Like as a person and as an 
authority figure, you're just 

1375
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,480
trying to manipulate. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1376
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:40,840
But then, OK, But then how do 
they end it? 

1377
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,680
They end it with the same way 
they end everything. 

1378
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:44,120
They're like, Kitty was right to
meddle. 

1379
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,760
Like, look how her meddling was 
a good thing. 

1380
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,080
It's like, come on. 
Like no stop doing. 

1381
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,800
This yeah they did that with 
literally everybody cuz even Q 

1382
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:58,520
literally you I like because 
like he pushed back on her as 

1383
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,560
well and was like you stop 
messing things up. 

1384
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,840
I do not want you meddling in my
life. 

1385
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,800
And then he eventually is like, 
I made this so much worse 

1386
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,720
anyway. 
Like it literally could not be 

1387
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,680
worse. 
So go ahead. 

1388
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:12,360
What else can you do? 
But he does. 

1389
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,080
But by him saying that he's 
like, you make everything worse 

1390
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,600
no matter what. 
But I just don't think you can 

1391
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,880
make it worse this time. 
So like, go ahead and try. 

1392
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,240
Yeah, at least he got 
exacerbated, but yeah, no, like,

1393
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,160
seriously, every single 
character she does this to will 

1394
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,120
push back at some point but then
end up thanking her in the end. 

1395
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,240
And so like, she faces no 
consequence. 

1396
01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,240
That's what I mean. 
That's why Kitty never grows, 

1397
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:34,760
because they write the other 
characters. 

1398
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,000
Big thanks, Kitty. 
I learned a lesson from you by 

1399
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,040
ignoring everything I was 
telling you and by bulldozing my

1400
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,680
boundaries I was trying to set. 
And so therefore we're three 

1401
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:47,000
seasons that a Kitty has not 
grown at all as a character. 

1402
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:48,720
And that's incredibly 
frustrating. 

1403
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:49,360
She's a main. 
Character. 

1404
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:55,720
I will say with the Q thing in 
Kitty's defense, I do not think 

1405
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,000
it was Kitty's fault for 
accidentally telling Jen about 

1406
01:12:58,040 --> 01:12:58,880
this photo. 
He didn't. 

1407
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,760
She didn't tell him about the. 
Photo like, no, not at all. 

1408
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:01,920
I agree. 
I agree. 

1409
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,320
Not at all. 
Yeah, that was cute. 

1410
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:03,920
That was. 
Cute. 

1411
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,640
That was not her. 
Yeah. 

1412
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:07,080
Right. 
But also it goes to show you, 

1413
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:08,960
you cannot tell her things 
because she will talk. 

1414
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:11,960
But I love how that comes back 
again. 

1415
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:20,120
And what's I forget his Jiwan's 
boyfriend, Alex. 

1416
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,280
Yes, thank you. 
Sorry. 

1417
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:26,160
When Alex is like Kitty, you 
told him to Professor Lee and 

1418
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,080
she's like, no, no, I did it. 
And he ends up just outing 

1419
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,680
himself to Professor Lee. 
That was, yeah. 

1420
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,160
Because again, again, she has a.
She has a pattern. 

1421
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,040
That's what you expect. 
There's a pattern of behavior 

1422
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,680
that doesn't ever change It 
just, and it's just frustrating 

1423
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,840
because, like, it just makes the
story boring because it's I 

1424
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,840
already know what's going to 
happen and that's not fun to 

1425
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,960
watch. 
Whereas like Season 1 and Season

1426
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,600
2, at least it had some more 
unpredictability to it. 

1427
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,320
I feel like Season 3 did not. 
It was extremely predictable. 

1428
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,360
Everything was predictable. 
So I think that's fair. 

1429
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,720
My least favorite season, 
honestly, despite the fact that,

1430
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,000
like, there were elements that I
liked about it, like I really 

1431
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:05,320
did. 
It was just like, the story 

1432
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:09,640
overall felt lazy and boring, 
honestly, which is a shame. 

1433
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,360
Yeah, yeah. 
So I was kind of just kind of a 

1434
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:17,000
let down the way just everything
was like, so we're doing the 

1435
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,880
same thing again. 
I was rewatching. 

1436
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,320
It and I was like the first two 
episodes I was like pretty into 

1437
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,680
it. 
And then I was like, is the 

1438
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,640
second-half of the season really
just filler? 

1439
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:26,960
Because that's what it it felt 
like. 

1440
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,560
Yes, it did. 
It did right? 

1441
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,000
Exactly. 
Because like, again, they set up

1442
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
the fact that Nino and Kitty are
going to be the end game ship 

1443
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,480
and then they're like, well, we 
must create drama to keep them 

1444
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:40,240
apart and then get them together
at the end and have parallel 

1445
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,440
scenes on the plane like in the 
end of season 1. 

1446
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,400
But we they can't be together 
the whole time because what is 

1447
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,240
the show about if it's not about
drama? 

1448
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,400
So that's why I felt boring. 
I was like they're going to 

1449
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,520
break them up cause a 
misunderstanding, get them back 

1450
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,360
together. 
It's just so predictable. 

1451
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:57,040
I just boring. 
I feel like they could have done

1452
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:00,880
other stuff like, I don't know, 
kitties struggling to like it's 

1453
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,720
cool and then just have her 
actually grow and like, you 

1454
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:05,320
know, could help her, like, you 
know what I mean? 

1455
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,200
Like there could have been so 
many other things they did. 

1456
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:08,840
There's it's because they're 
allergic. 

1457
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,520
To external drama too. 
It all has to be relationship 

1458
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,760
drama. 
That was it kind of is external 

1459
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,400
drama. 
It's just like we're caught like

1460
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:23,000
Marius's external drama for 
Kitten or Q and Jen. 

1461
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,040
I mean, it is a it is a romance 
show. 

1462
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:29,920
So like, yeah, relationship is a
big part is the genre we're in. 

1463
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,360
It's not. 
I'm not mad about that. 

1464
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,000
I just feel like you could have 
had other plot lines for the 

1465
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,680
drama other than like the really
predictable. 

1466
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,840
What's going on with Madison, 
man? 

1467
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,560
Again, you could have had other 
drama between MiTo and Kitty, 

1468
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,840
like what if kitty's family 
didn't like him? 

1469
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,440
And then we had he had to like 
we had to navigate that or like 

1470
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,320
they were setting it up that 
like Kitty, like Nino's dad and 

1471
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:53,560
Kitty were going to be like a 
big thing. 

1472
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:55,800
And that was not in it. 
Like we could have kept going 

1473
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:58,000
with other we could have done 
other things that were 

1474
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,760
relationship drama based that 
were at these like super 

1475
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:05,080
predictable misunderstanding. 
It hedges on Kitty being jealous

1476
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,920
and insecure and like, which 
again, like it is a she's a kid 

1477
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,560
who's not grown. 
Well, she's I'm going to call 

1478
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,000
her kid because like they have 
not proof of me. 

1479
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:15,440
She's an adult. 
So like yeah, she and but like 

1480
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,480
Kitty doesn't grow is like the 
problem. 

1481
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:19,600
So it's like you could repeat 
this again next season. 

1482
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,280
It would be as possible because 
they. 

1483
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,480
Don't, and they will. 
Kitty they they know, so they 

1484
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,280
won't let Kitty grow my. 
Only I don't. 

1485
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,760
Know what the writers problem is
when it comes to Kitty? 

1486
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:31,920
It's really annoying. 
My only hope is that they don't 

1487
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,560
forget about the lesbians next 
season. 

1488
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,080
No, they they will, but. 
They will. 

1489
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,760
Hope yeah, they're going to 
watch this obviously and then 

1490
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,200
totally take our comments for 
what they are. 

1491
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,760
No, but like hopefully by like 
saying this and like maybe other

1492
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:51,640
people can have their voice 
heard too and just like speak up

1493
01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:57,120
because they do check social. 
Media they do, but they're going

1494
01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,160
to learn more into the the gay 
stuff because of heated rivalry.

1495
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:05,120
That's why, yeah, that's that 
makes money because straight 

1496
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,560
women are into that. 
And that's a bigger cohort of 

1497
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,520
people to watch it. 
And like, this is like the 

1498
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,520
pandering season because you 
have Kitty and Mino. 

1499
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,800
So you're going to get like the 
bigger heterosexual fan base in 

1500
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:20,400
there. 
And then you have like a big gay

1501
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,320
plot line. 
So get like more women and gay 

1502
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,880
men and like, queer people will 
show up because there's, you 

1503
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,000
know, queer women will show up 
because there's queer people in 

1504
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:31,000
it regardless, even though we're
getting screwed from a 

1505
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,480
representation standpoint. 
So like, it's the perfect 

1506
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:36,240
formula of like things that will
make Netflix funny. 

1507
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,680
And again, it does not negate 
the fact that Kitty Kitty is a 

1508
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,280
queer woman. 
It does not. 

1509
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,160
It's just like this is if you're
looking for sapphic 

1510
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:50,200
representation, this is not the 
show I'm on. 

1511
01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:53,600
And if you're looking for 
something that's like cutesy and

1512
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,840
like wholesome ish, like, yeah, 
this is the show. 

1513
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:59,000
And it's not like a bad show. 
No, it's it's it's good. 

1514
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:04,960
It's not a bad show at all. 
I just wish the would not follow

1515
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:06,760
the same script every single 
season. 

1516
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,120
That's. 
And I honestly don't think that 

1517
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,680
that's. 
Too much to ask for. 

1518
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,840
Like, right? 
I'm just have a story. 

1519
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,000
Kitty's about to. 
Kitty's going to graduate high 

1520
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,560
school and be on her own soon. 
Like, can we have character 

1521
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,320
growth for this person? 
That's all I'm asking. 

1522
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,480
Yeah. 
Yeah, all right, that's my Kitty

1523
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:28,720
rant. 
It was a good one. 

1524
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,800
What else do you got? 
Well, something that didn't 

1525
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:40,840
frustrate me is that I, And I am
really surprised by this, coming

1526
01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:44,440
from the first season to here. 
I really respect him, you know, 

1527
01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:48,160
and kind of love him. 
And I respect his, Yeah, his 

1528
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,600
growth, like, especially the way
that he handled Yunus's desire 

1529
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:57,720
not to be famous anymore because
he cared about the person rather

1530
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:02,040
than money. 
And by the end of the season, we

1531
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:03,720
even see, like, that's helping 
him. 

1532
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:09,160
And it's like he's getting more 
clients because he actually 

1533
01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:11,800
cares. 
And that's sad that that's so 

1534
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:17,040
rare in this industry, but shows
how valuable it can be. 

1535
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,600
And it sets him apart from 
people like his father. 

1536
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,760
So I just thought that that was 
a great contrast. 

1537
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,680
Like just because that's how 
things are done normally doesn't

1538
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:29,440
mean that that's the way that 
they have to be done. 

1539
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,640
You can be a good person and 
protect the person that is 

1540
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,200
underneath and still be 
successful. 

1541
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:40,000
And I love that you that he is 
someone that you can count on to

1542
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,120
be there for you and protect you
because at the end of the day, 

1543
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:47,680
he is protecting. 
He takes his job so serious with

1544
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,600
Eunice because he is right there
to step in and be put his arm 

1545
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,000
over her, run her into Dave's 
restaurant, go with her even 

1546
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,440
when he wants to be with spend 
time with Kitty. 

1547
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:04,320
Like he takes his job seriously 
and that is major growth for 

1548
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:08,040
Mino since the very first season
where he was just like the stuck

1549
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:11,360
up character who didn't really 
care. 

1550
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:18,160
It it's just I, I love him now. 
And it's been great to just see 

1551
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,800
more of him and his character. 
Yeah, I agree. 

1552
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,600
I like Mino. 
Mino is this season in 

1553
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,000
particular. 
It's positive masculinity 

1554
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:31,440
because he's inhabiting the 
traits that men think they have 

1555
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,840
but they don't, where he 
actually is a protector and 

1556
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:39,000
protecting people to your point 
and is reliable, like he's a 

1557
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:42,400
reliable person. 
They, they can count on either 

1558
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,240
as a friend or just as like a 
business partner. 

1559
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,240
So yeah, I, I was happy to see 
that about Mino. 

1560
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,840
I, I am sorry. 
I feel bad for him with the dad 

1561
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:53,160
stuff cuz like he has daddy 
issues. 

1562
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:58,520
That's how you get season 1 Mino
and the fact that he had like I 

1563
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,480
did like the plot line where him
and his like work friend that 

1564
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:07,920
Kitty thought was trying to date
him or whatever, his drama when 

1565
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,480
they were having the 
conversation on their rock 

1566
01:21:09,480 --> 01:21:11,560
climbing or whatever. 
And he's like, he's upset for 

1567
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,400
Kitty not being like being there
for him or whatever. 

1568
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,760
And she's like, you can't expect
her to like fill the void in 

1569
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,000
your heart. 
Like, you know what I mean? 

1570
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,400
You can't, you have to learn to 
love yourself and like let go of

1571
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,600
like trying to chase your dad's 
approval because you're never 

1572
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:27,800
going to get it basically. 
And like, it's really shitty to 

1573
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,080
have to like, come to terms with
that, that like his dad is never

1574
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,880
going to be who he wants him to 
be or like his dad is never 

1575
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:37,640
going to give him the love and 
respect that Nina wants and is 

1576
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,360
trying to like, prove he's 
worthy of. 

1577
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,960
So it's really shitty position 
for him to be in. 

1578
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:47,320
But I do like the way that plot 
line fleshed out where like him 

1579
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,600
and Kitty get into the argument.
She's like, I'm not perfect and 

1580
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,200
you can't expect me to be. 
That was so real. 

1581
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,000
Like that was the real estate 
conversation they ever had. 

1582
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,560
Because like, yeah, you can't 
put all these, you cannot put 

1583
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:00,400
all these expectations, 
unrealistic expectations on your

1584
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:01,760
partner. 
And then when they don't meet 

1585
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:05,160
them, get mad at them. 
It's like she's a human who 

1586
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:06,400
makes mistake. 
You've no. 

1587
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:06,800
Kitty. 
Yeah. 

1588
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:08,560
You know Kitty. 
She's a walking mistake. 

1589
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,040
You're no. 
Kitty, she's a walking mistake 

1590
01:22:11,080 --> 01:22:13,280
and like that's fine. 
Like that's being human. 

1591
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:16,040
And so I like that he kind of 
had to come to terms that and be

1592
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,160
like, I'm projecting onto her. 
It's just not about her, it's 

1593
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,320
about me. 
And like he kind of did the self

1594
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:24,280
reflection thing, which like, 
yes, show more men doing that 

1595
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:27,240
because that's a huge problem in
the world right now. 

1596
01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:31,040
So and, you know, he was happier
for it at the end, you know, 

1597
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:34,720
after he like worked on himself.
So I appreciate that about me, 

1598
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,920
you know, too. 
Like it showed again, a level of

1599
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,400
maturity in a character who's 
like about to like go out in the

1600
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,480
world and be an adult. 
That made sense. 

1601
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:44,440
That's what I mean. 
I think the writers did a great 

1602
01:22:44,440 --> 01:22:49,000
job with most of the characters 
this season in terms of having 

1603
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:52,520
them grow and like grow into 
adults who are mature because 

1604
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,920
we're transitioning into like 
they're graduating high school. 

1605
01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:58,400
It's just like they left Kitty 
behind and the lesbians got 

1606
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,760
shafted. 
But like everybody else, like 

1607
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:04,800
grew into an adult, you know? 
Which I enjoyed about the season

1608
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,200
and particularly Mino. 
Mino was a good one too. 

1609
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:09,560
He wasn't just like Kitty's love
interest. 

1610
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,200
He had his own stuff going on. 
And I'm glad they did that 

1611
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,440
because I was afraid once their 
relationship started, it was 

1612
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:19,360
just going to be Mino obsessed. 
It just his plot line was Kitty,

1613
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,800
but it wasn't. 
And I was pleasantly surprised 

1614
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:23,320
about that. 
I honestly. 

1615
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,960
Yeah, that is true. 
Like he did, he did get, he got 

1616
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,560
a lot this season and I'm not 
mad at it. 

1617
01:23:29,720 --> 01:23:31,280
They did a great. 
Job no, we're not mad at. 

1618
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:37,280
It and we even see his maturity 
and Kitty's lack of maturity, 

1619
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:41,120
kind of like when they have 
their conversations together 

1620
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,400
where Mino has to literally pull
Kitty's thoughts out from her 

1621
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:50,520
like and her feelings like he 
has to be like, stop leading me 

1622
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,880
on. 
Like what is what are you 

1623
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,600
feeling like? 
Were you asking to go on the 

1624
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:56,640
world tour? 
Like what do you actually mean? 

1625
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,840
Stop backtracking, stop mess 
like playing around with these 

1626
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,680
things. 
Just tell me what is going on in

1627
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:05,920
your head. 
And he had to do that multiple 

1628
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,920
times. 
It was like every single 

1629
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,280
actually, I think most episodes 
ended with a conversation 

1630
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,840
between the two of them where 
Nina was trying to get her to 

1631
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,360
tell him how she feels. 
And I don't think she ever would

1632
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:24,160
have admitted her feelings 
without Mino pulling them out of

1633
01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:27,840
her. 
And like, that just shows the 

1634
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,920
imbalance of maturity there 
because like, he was able to 

1635
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,680
have these conversations. 
It took more work for her to be 

1636
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,640
able to talk about it, but he 
initiated it. 

1637
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:44,000
All the time, yeah, which is 
huge, yeah, but it makes sense. 

1638
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,600
Like, and this is her first 
actual, that first religion she 

1639
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:48,960
used a day. 
But they were children. 

1640
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,520
It was long distance. 
That's a very different 

1641
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,360
relationship than I see you 
everyday. 

1642
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,640
I see you interacting with other
people. 

1643
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:59,440
I have to verbalize my feelings,
my adult feelings for you. 

1644
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,680
And like, Kitty is not an adult 
the way they've written her. 

1645
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,640
So it makes sense that she has 
no idea how to express herself 

1646
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,000
like that. 
And so she's learning and she's 

1647
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,560
lucky that Nino is patient and 
willing to like pull the 

1648
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:16,880
feelings out of her. 
Does he very easily be like, 

1649
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,720
this is annoying, I'm done. 
But he's not that person because

1650
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,000
he's a he's a nurturing, caring 
person to your, you know, point 

1651
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,600
that you made earlier. 
So yeah, that me know that was a

1652
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,160
they did a good job with me know
this season they really except 

1653
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:36,320
writing a consensus on how to 
say his name with that. 

1654
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,200
That brings us full circle for 
this episode. 

1655
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:43,840
It sure does. 
Any thoughts and feelings about 

1656
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:45,320
Season 4? 
Because we're going to get a 

1657
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,840
Season 4, let's be honest. 
Yeah, if we don't I'm I'll be 

1658
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,400
super surprised. 
I would be super surprised. 

1659
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,240
Well, I don't want the lesbians 
to be on the back burner, but 

1660
01:25:53,320 --> 01:25:55,200
let's be real, they probably 
will be. 

1661
01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:58,120
They will be. 
I'd like to see more Madison. 

1662
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,400
I would like to see more with 
the family like the actual like 

1663
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,640
the actual family. 
I love the found family, like 

1664
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,600
don't get me wrong, but like 
they they emphasized the family 

1665
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:12,680
part of it so much especially in
the beginning that it fell flat.

1666
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:16,840
Kind of like I love that we got 
G1 as the teacher in this, but 

1667
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:20,400
that was also really sidelined 
this season. 

1668
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,640
It was. 
I was surprised about that. 

1669
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:23,840
I thought there's going to be 
more of that. 

1670
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,520
Yeah, and like, they kind of 
threw the grandmother in every 

1671
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,720
once in a while just to cause 
more vomit. 

1672
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,480
And it shows that she had no 
drama growth either because you 

1673
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,840
would think that after 0 not 
seeing her sister for what 50 

1674
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:39,920
years or however long like she 
would be more like oh I want to 

1675
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,200
keep my family close. 
I'm more open minded. 

1676
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,600
Like no she it just shows that 
some people never change. 

1677
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,440
And you know what? 
Actually, Kitty is resembling 

1678
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:48,960
her the most. 
Oh my God, you know. 

1679
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,080
What that actually makes sense 
why Kitty's not changing. 

1680
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,360
So I just talked myself into 
epiphany here. 

1681
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:59,200
So actually that makes sense 
because they're they do they set

1682
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,520
up Kitty to be like the 
grandmother. 

1683
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:03,680
She's the grandmother. 
Oh, you're right. 

1684
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,040
So maybe she's destined to not 
change. 

1685
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:08,400
I'm so sorry for everybody in 
the life. 

1686
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:11,520
Involved in Sorry Mino. 
Good luck with that. 

1687
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:17,920
But yeah, I would like to see 
more with the family and see how

1688
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,760
that grows. 
I would like Kitty to get some 

1689
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:21,840
growth. 
I don't. 

1690
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:25,640
I think we'll have the same 
formula again cuz that's the 

1691
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:27,480
that's XO Kitty. 
Formula. 

1692
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:34,600
And I would like to see Mino and
Day like team up and take over 

1693
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:38,400
the music world. 
Get some glimpses of Nino and 

1694
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,200
Kitty in America acting with 
meeting the dad I'm hoping we 

1695
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:44,480
Yeah I would like to get. 
Some of that. 

1696
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,400
Meeting the family or just. 
Hanging out. 

1697
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,560
Some more cameos cuz like 
they're at the end game ship, so

1698
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:51,440
let them interact, let us see 
it. 

1699
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:54,440
I don't want it off screen. 
So I would like some of that. 

1700
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,240
I assume there, this is going to
be the graduation season. 

1701
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,960
So I'm hoping we have some kind 
of either glimpse into the 

1702
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,200
future or like they have plans. 
I might. 

1703
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:10,520
My assumption is that like, Mino
is going to end up going to New 

1704
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,720
York to like do music or 
whatever. 

1705
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,800
And that's what this is going to
end up being. 

1706
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,160
She's going to go to NYU, he's 
going to end up in New York with

1707
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,280
day, and then Yuri will 
conveniently end up there for 

1708
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,480
fashion reasons. 
And I feel like they're just 

1709
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:26,040
going to relocate everybody to 
New York and that's my 

1710
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,000
prediction. 
And then we're going to have Exo

1711
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,680
Kitty, New York, the college 
years. 

1712
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:34,360
That's that's a prediction. 
Anyway, but I'm really surprised

1713
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:38,120
that they locked in Kitty's 
future in the. 

1714
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,520
Season like early decision like 
that's a. 

1715
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,200
That's actually a major step for
her because she can't decide 

1716
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,800
anything. 
But I mean, in this, in this 

1717
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,880
way, like it decided for her. 
Well, because, yeah, I think 

1718
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:53,480
they're either that or. 
They're going to do the actual 

1719
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:57,920
parallel to Peter and LJ because
they are heavily setting that up

1720
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:00,800
where like, Katie's going to be 
in New York and then instead of,

1721
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,400
and then instead of being in LA,
well, maybe he'll be in LA. 

1722
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:06,120
Maybe, you know, he'll be in LA 
just like Peter. 

1723
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,400
And they're going to be a part, 
oh, they kind of navigate shit. 

1724
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:11,240
But then like, everything's 
going to be fine because love 

1725
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,440
and matchmaking and there's also
going to be that. 

1726
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:17,840
So I think, you know, airplanes 
exist as they know. 

1727
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,720
Yeah, but also like when you're 
busy. 

1728
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:21,680
In the entertainment industry, 
you don't have time. 

1729
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:24,400
To be flying all the time? 
No, but I think it's one of 

1730
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,320
those two things. 
Either everybody conveniently 

1731
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,520
ends up in New York, or they're 
going to do the LJ Peter plot 

1732
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,400
line for Minnow and Kitty and 
it's going to work out and be 

1733
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,000
fine. 
Is basically what's going to 

1734
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:39,880
happen because it will force 
Kitty too mature enough to be in

1735
01:29:39,880 --> 01:29:42,800
a long distance or like it 
started with a long distance 

1736
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,640
relationship with Day and it's 
going to end with a long 

1737
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:48,840
distance relationship with Mino.
There's that. 

1738
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:50,800
What's going to happen? 
Yeah. 

1739
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,280
I guess day is going to go into 
music with. 

1740
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:54,480
Mino and that'll be their 
adventure. 

1741
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,960
I think that Yuri is going to 
end up in the fashion world, so 

1742
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,200
there's a possibility she ends 
up in New York or Paris or some 

1743
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:08,120
shit day, and Eunice will go to 
the same college and then, like,

1744
01:30:08,440 --> 01:30:11,240
take over the restaurant or 
they're gonna have normal lives.

1745
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:13,160
Probably. 
They're gonna have the most 

1746
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:17,360
normal life ever, Yeah. 
I think Kitty will sideline her 

1747
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,280
Korean family because they're 
getting sidelined. 

1748
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:23,360
Now we're done. 
We've served our purpose with 

1749
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,520
that family. 
I think that that's over. 

1750
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,120
Yeah. 
And I think it, I think it ends 

1751
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:31,040
with them graduating and then 
like some like Clemson to the 

1752
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,040
future is kind of my prediction 
is what's going to end up 

1753
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:37,120
happening with XO Kitty in one 
of those two ways. 

1754
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,760
Those are my predictions. 
I think they're all very 

1755
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,960
plausible. 
Yeah. 

1756
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:44,680
I mean, they're not. 
Subtle in the show. 

1757
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:50,320
Unless they throw in some other 
weird character to like, blow up

1758
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,040
everything, which they might. 
What will the drama be? 

1759
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,280
Who knows. 
It will be relationship drama, 

1760
01:30:56,640 --> 01:31:01,040
but anyway, so that's like, so 
Kitty, do you have any big gay 

1761
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,280
energy awards? 
I don't know that I I was 

1762
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,960
struggling with this and then I 
was like, you know what? 

1763
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:06,240
No, there's there's a couple 
things. 

1764
01:31:06,480 --> 01:31:09,120
So I've. 
Got a couple actually, so we 

1765
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,960
have the amicable breakup 
between Provina and Juliana 

1766
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:14,880
That's true yeah, that a lot of 
gay energy. 

1767
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,080
I like when Julia was like, I'm 
proud of us the way we. 

1768
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:18,880
Yeah, I'm like, I was proud of 
you guys, too. 

1769
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:21,200
Yeah, I love that. 
That scene was great. 

1770
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:26,440
Jen standing up for Q. 
Yeah, that had a lot of big 

1771
01:31:26,440 --> 01:31:27,760
game. 
That might not be the most 

1772
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,080
honestly. 
And then my last one is just Q. 

1773
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,480
Yeah, he has a lot of big energy
in general. 

1774
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:40,080
He did. 
I also I have to give it out to 

1775
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,920
the Marc Marius. 
Kitty chaotic bisexual 

1776
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,920
conversation, yes, that had a 
lot of big game and it was very 

1777
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:49,960
sweet. 
Mutual big energy, do you? 

1778
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What Taylor Swift song for you 
encapsulated XO Kitty season? 

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3. 
For this, I picked a place in 

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this world because Kitty's 
always trying to figure out. 

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Where she belongs. 
And there's a part like there, 

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she says I'm alone on my own a 
lot in the song. 

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And I was like, I know that 
Kitty's always like, oh, my 

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friends, my friends, my friends.
But she always feels like she 

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01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,760
has to do things herself and fix
everyone. 

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So it's like she's alone in the 
fact that like she's has to do 

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01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,440
it by herself. 
So yeah, that's a good. 

1788
01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:24,760
One that's good one I'm going to
give 22. 

1789
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,920
It's going to be my song because
I'm feeling 22 because kitties 

1790
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,480
whole thing was like the bucket 
list. 

1791
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,840
It was just like I got to do you
know, we got to see the sunrise.

1792
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:34,480
We got to like live it up while 
we can. 

1793
01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:37,160
We got to all be together and it
was that's a very much like a 

1794
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we're in a unique time in our 
lives where we like are adults, 

1795
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:42,520
but not really. 
And we kind of like have 

1796
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,040
responsibilities, but not 
really. 

1797
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:47,040
And so like, let's go clubbing, 
let's get food, let's talk about

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01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:49,360
our breakups, let's cry over 
boys, let's do whatever. 

1799
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,480
Like that's the energy of season
3 for me while we're like 

1800
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:55,480
transitioning into being adults 
with our like end game ships and

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01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:56,960
stuff. 
So this was kind of like a party

1802
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:58,960
season in a little, in a little 
bit of a way because we had the 

1803
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:00,040
bucket list thing. 
Yeah. 

1804
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaking of a lot of characters 
doing new things. 

1805
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaking of that, that's how 
season 4 is going to end. 

1806
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,560
It's going to be at the sunset. 
Watching the sunset. 

1807
01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:12,160
There you go with the tree. 
Yeah, with the tree in the. 

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01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,360
Background in. 
The background. 

1809
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,440
All right, so that was our. 
Take on Season 3. 

1810
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,480
We didn't cover everything 
obviously, so if there's 

1811
01:33:21,480 --> 01:33:24,400
something we missed, something 
you loved, wanted to rant about,

1812
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:26,200
please leave it in the comments 
below. 

1813
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,040
Also, if you have any 
predictions or hopes and wishes 

1814
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,440
for season 4, what's going to 
happen, let us know. 

1815
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,800
Let us know in the comments. 
And until next time, hydrate for

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01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,760
lesbian. 
Juice and get it up all over the

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01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,720
place. 
Bye. 

1818
01:33:44,280 --> 01:33:45,880
And with that, we've been Big 
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01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:49,480
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