Hello and welcome to Big Gay energy.
I'm Bree. I'm Fiora and I'm Caitlin come
along with us while we dive into the fun and nuances of queer
media representation matters. And we're here to talk about it.
So anything else about pretending like it's hard, not
to just keep saying the same things over and over, literally
could keep saying the same things over and over again.
I'm personally very grateful for their existence like, and the
fact that the show had them something that wasn't planned.
And it turned out for me to be like, one of the best like ships
ever personally. They're, they're great and very,
very thankful to both the actresses that, like put 110%
into both of those characters. We cared about Them and you
could tell they cared if they did, they cared about those
characters. They cared about that
relationship between the two of them and just killed it.
And and I'm glad that Heather decided to sing on Glee because
like, their song, every song they had together was, it's just
awesome and super. Well done, I wish this had more
Duets together. Me to their do lepidus.
A lot of Santana's singing to Brittany.
But yeah, because like Nia has the more vocal training.
So like, Get it and they're all just did Heather's just sweet
when they're singing and dancing together because?
Yeah, they're just sharing their passions having fun there.
Yeah, exactly. It's just so sweet.
Yeah. The two of them, the cutest.
But speaking of Heather singing, I just want to touch real quick,
so I forgot to mention it. Her song, My Cup the full
version because all my, it doesn't make sense in the show
because you don't hear the beginning of it, but the whole
thing is freaking hilarious. Is she said, she didn't sing it
on Tick. Tock when ugly, I guess you
called it. The revolution not Revolution.
Know the Renaissance grievance meeting.
They brought it back and made it popular.
I was like, I couldn't really Renaissance.
But yeah, so when that happened she did sing it acapella and her
son is just playing the guitar in the background, not to the
shopping but she's just so, you know, on top of it is, it's
adorable. So I love this.
And then Nia breaking character in it.
It's just, it's so cute. They're they're the best.
Okay, so our next ship. It's the one that Peter and I
were not aware of until we went online.
Yeah. Until I started making friends
that were like super in the fandom like I wasn't really
involved with this fandom but like I was super into Glee and
the ship but I have friends that were super in the fandom and
their Sapphic ship of choice was fabory which was Rachel and
Quinn. II don't understand like a not
like we did anything about this Parable because it's like
enemies to lovers, which Some people prefer which I get as a
Trope is super fun. But apparently, there's just,
that was a thing. Like people were just like know
them, that's the Staffing ship Rachel.
Annoys me too much for me to want to ship her with anybody,
but give her more down-to-earth moment, they did give them her
and Quinn some moments so I get where it came from.
From because they did share stuff with each other times, but
it wasn't that much. So I didn't realize that they
were a thing for pretty odd until I was reading fanfiction.
And then that's when you have to realize what people shooting,
people ship together, people worshipping though.
And I think where that comes from is again at the time when
of Glee was airing, it was in the era of queer, subtext.
So people are picking up on The subject.
Something like, oh no, this is the ship like this is because
this is what we're used to wear used to this.
That I think that's really where that came from.
And like the generation of people that were really watching
it that were experienced in fandom e things, that was the
queer content. We were used to was subtext.
So people were picking up on all of the subtext and again,
there's inconsistency with all the writing.
So there are some lines that are in there that come out of
nowhere and that can be easily read into.
So I think that's it's kind of the birth of it all and it's
like, When you don't have when you don't have it you just
create your own content. So I think it's like that fan of
thing where it's like a game and it became a collective and
everybody are started making their own basically art.
For, I don't understand it. I wasn't in the generation with
you. Are not a subtext person?
No, I'm just like, can we tell me that two people are together
for me to see it because I don't like assuming things.
It's also why don't gaydar. But they do make Quinn's.
Queerness explicit and the show during regionals, I think or
whatever where her and Santana hook up.
Basically that was the wedding. I couldn't remember.
Okay, whatever. Fuck, mr.
Shue. But yeah, the two of them
actually hook up. So, like Quinn does have a
queerness so, like, not out of nowhere.
I really fucking hate Rachel. So like, I know anybody, I'd
wondered why you need to be honest.
We could shift Unholy Trinity together.
I would rather shut the Unholy Trinity obviously, then because
Rachel's not in that, that's pertain uo+ Quinn.
Like sure. Do that makes sense the Quinn
and Santana storyline. It was very random but they're
acting made it work and I know because I believe that they were
closer off screen as well. Probably.
Oh God, the way Diana got screwed by the show to like I
don't know what too much. It just became it.
Just became the Lea Michele show.
That's what ended up had, right? She was Ryan Murphy's favorite
and he gave her everything and like screwed over.
Everybody else was like Diana is like was probably like the most
well-known actor in that in the core bleed group and they like
gave her nothing outside of like the teen pregnancy at like they
never knew what to do with Quinn honestly.
Well, they just like shit like for Glee.
I don't know her history, but like she was like an actual
actor who had like stuff under her belt versus like, Leo is
more Broadway. The actress who played Tina was
more Broadway already same thing, they were more like
Broadway actors. Versus Diana was more in like
movie TV type of acting before this.
So she had more like more of a resume I guess in this area and
like could actually act and like could actually sing and like
she's very talented but they did.
The writer didn't know what to do with her, because they
centered everything around Lea Michele.
And so after the teen pregnancy, which I hate that plotline so
much, that was her plot line after that, it's like, they
didn't know what to do with Quinn ever.
Like they just, they gave her like a burnout phase.
Thank you for that. Really weird.
I gave up my child for adoption. I want the child back.
Weird plot line with like, indeed a Menzel and then they
never knew what to do with Quinn after that.
She just she sometimes she wouldn't have lines, she got in
the car. Accident was relevant for a few
episodes like they just they never, she became like a
character. The one of the First characters
to to tell token plot lines which ended up being what later
generations of Glee season for me on really leaned into and she
was the first character at which sag she was a main character and
then they're like, we don't want to do with you because the
believe Lead became the lead was Leah, and just like all the
female plots got put on her and died and nothing happened with
Diana. There's don't know what to do
with her. Yeah, it really sucks because
like she got close to Mercedes in season one because they took
her in. I would love to see more of that
relationship because they got really close.
Yeah, and then they just abandoned it because the writers
the writers on the show are famous for that they would build
something and then just abandon it and never talk about it ever.
Again you're like why are my watching the show is so weird.
I was like to know what the show would be like without Lea
Michele. Okay.
Our lesson stressful for everybody involved.
We go think every parent you like car guy.
Yeah. Really a tyrant behind the
scenes and like Brian Murphy fed into that.
Made it a journey toxic work environment, but we won't dwell
on that. But, yeah, nobody knew what to
do with Quinn, but like Quinn actually became like, you know,
Explore her career doesn't stuff.
And so there was that with Quinn, but I don't get the five,
everything. I know some people are just
there. Die-hard, that was their ship.
Sapphic trip and they didn't like, Britannia.
I'm like, probably cuz pertaining was real but I don't
get it personally because I just don't like Rachel that Rachel's
fucking annoying the whole time. I do get it just because I, but
I have to like, literally ignore every problematic thing.
Rachel does so like there's only like a fright is that right?
Are possible to think about, but it's really difficult, that's a
thing. If you're into it.
No shade. Hey, Or more cruise ships, the
better. I didn't see it until later when
I realized like how big of a thing that really was in the fan
of while it was happening because I just wasn't in the
fandom. You have no idea what's
happening during it, if God chose mess.
Anyway, so that was fabri. Kurt and Blaine, Blaine claim
the other queer ship really like that ship named clean but I
don't know the other shit baby would be burnt so and that's the
Weird. Yeah, so Kurt and Blaine I was
called Man. Yeah, so I liked them as a as a
couple. I thought they did a good job
with them, really like establishing their cup.
There they're essentially relationship and going through.
It didn't feel forced, didn't feel like at, oh, here's again.
They must about later but we're going to start.
Oh my God. No, I'm telling you very first,
the beginning, first three seasons.
Like, when they really like we're building the couple.
I thought they did a very good job and like And mostly was from
Kurt's perspective, which he's the one of the lead so that kind
of makes sense. So I really liked it and then
through Blaney got to see other schools.
And yeah, I really like the two of them.
I like to Blaine as a character but like once we got Blaine
Blaine became like the go-to male singer and so they're like,
we have to get him in the Glee Club and then he it just became
the Lea Michele, the Rachel. Lane show because yes again very
like a, he's another established theater actor.
Beautiful singer. So we're trying to sell things
so they just got him on board so he can have duets with Lea
Michele spoiler if you never seen clay in.
If you've never seen Glee, I don't know why you're watching
this. He becomes the new Rachel Season
four. So yeah, it's like always about
the two of them and so he's got to why I don't like Blaine as
much. So like this ship is like kind
of hard but their song That they're the dream sequence like
on the rooftop when they're singing the West Side Story
song. Yeah that I love that one.
Yeah. That was a big plot.
The West Side Story auditioning and all that stuff.
Yeah. Like know, they're both.
They're phenomenal musical theater.
Besides, because they were in New York already.
Oh, and they oh sorry. I don't, I don't know what's
wrong but I thought you meant that, right?
Doesn't know. No, it was like something they
were in New York. Okay, the never mind.
I don't know. Yeah, but like, you probably
wouldn't again, they're just but I like bleeding and, you know,
the clean plotline. I love the way it becomes.
Like, people are obsessed with them like as like a mockery of
that kind of thing, that keeping the satire thing going, but the
two of them again they had they had a fairly healthy
relationship to and again, Fox portraying positive male gay
couples. Which is very unheard of in that
kind of music school environment.
Think, I think Blaine dated Dave, at one point.
Oh, did he? I don't remember give the do
this to season 6 or and 25. They really messed things up.
Again, they once it once we get to season 4, it goes off the
rails. It was going off the rails, but
it goes off there and they just threw again.
It was just tokenism, they're just crazy drama.
I'm not surprised by that one. Bit.
Yeah, overall, I thought they were very positive.
I like them. The fans got insane over the two
of them and we're like stocking the actors and they got crazy.
Yeah. Because like the actor that
plays blade is like, married and has like a kid and they like
harassing him and like, all this stuff and hang my, but like, I
don't blame Chris for like, getting out of acting because
what he went through, they went. Yeah, but not ruin people.
This show like weird people's lives like, It's a hot mess but
they're there. Their relationship was really.
I like the relationship a lot especially at the support from
currents, dad. Curtis dad is like Could a like
a dad, I will. They get they messed up a lot of
characters we have. We made a whole list of
characters who want to talk about that.
Definitely deserved better. They were done dirty and I'll
talk about the season for kids at the end since are my core
group of people that I know All right.
So do you want to start with? First on our list is Mercedes?
Oh my God. Mercedes.
She was on so dirty. First of all Amber Riley has one
of the most gorgeous voices ever and was okay.
So the original Gleek lat Glee class like the club was like
Kurt. I think I already was there,
Tina, Mercedes Rachel. I think that was it like the
original? There's like five pairs them
with mr. Shue.
And then they headed recruit by like mr.
Shue stocking children in the locker room, to find singing
football players who are naked that happened.
And then we got Cheerios from their creepy.
But those are the original five, right?
So we're set up to like that's those are The Underdogs were
rooting for them, right? But only like two of those core
members actually get consistent like lines solos and songs
throughout the whole show which is Rachel and Kurt.
Mercedes Tita already get like shafted hard and the ones who
get shafted hard really quickly are Tina and Mercedes.
Party. Like, literally Already has more
plotline aren't no idea. Tina gets screwed.
The most like Tina has the plot line about the stuttering and
then she has Asian Centrex stuff and that's it.
And then there are there are some episodes where like Tina
doesn't know Tina has like one or two solos in the whole show.
And like, I forget the actors names.
She's literally, she was literally a Broadway actress.
Alongside Lea Michele. Yeah.
However, the same resume they were in the same stuff together
like so she's just as talented. But Lea Michele was Ryan
Murphy's favorite. So she got everything and the
actors that has the plate and I got drafted her Tina, the
actress plays Tina and Artie. Actually, they were friends
because he also grew up in the theater scene and they actually
have a show called showmance that's a podcast and we talk
about, they talk about all the fun things and it's like they're
actually likes, have a distributor and everything like,
The show got bigger recently good and they like how to talk
about all their journey and they have other cast members on and
crew and stuff. So if you're interested, go hang
out and go listen to that because like they were,
supremely talented, guess, completely screwed mother.
Joe mostly Tina. Tina had nothing.
They also didn't know what to do with Tina, but very front.
Upfront, didn't know what to do with that kid.
Took them like switching bodies, like switching characters in
like when she gets hit on the head to actually give her a
Rachel song. It's like we had it in concoct
Insanity to give Tina solo. What?
It's so stupid. It was just it was just so
stupid and then Amber also falls into that bucket as Mercedes.
Where she did get more, she did get more.
She got more music but you need a better story lines.
She has like, no storylines like virtually not, she had some in
the begin again, in the beginning, when it was like the
core five like trying to navigate high school together in
this club like she had more stuff like Mercedes Mercedes got
plots when she had boyfriends hmm which is annoying and in the
treble tones there was would you lie like the trouble tones
because it gave those girls like more of a plot versus like and
the trouble tones also gave this Brittany sink.
Oh my God. Yeah, the troubles are great.
But like, Mercedes had nothing outside of like having
boyfriends, or, like body positivity.
I think type. What's they do again later,
right? They do multiple times so it was
just, they didn't know what to do with her but they gave her
more singing and all of the stuff that she leads is just
insane and her, she has the best duets with Santana.
Yes, that's our next iconic. They're the best River, Deep
Mountain High. I think I could listen to that
iconic. Yeah.
Iconic iconic. They're there.
So their Duets are just High note in there that Amber hits is
ridiculous. She's so good.
It's so good. We'll see it a little bit in the
whole compilation that I chose that making everybody watch, but
her and Melissa Benoist together are really good as well.
Oh I'm sure Melissa is a very good singer too but this is the
wrap up. Now, to wrap up the core 5
already too kind of became already Had more plot lines, but
he got lost to like, yeah, as like, we got Blaine it just
became like the mail stuff, centered around thin and like
Rachel stuff in the beginning and then when Finn went away it
just Blaine and Rachel already did.
Get that directing apparently he couldn't sing or act so he had
to direct when he directing West Side Story.
Yeah. And then he went and I think we
did more and then you went to film School.
But like a lot of storylines with wheelchair and like Tina
making him like telling him, he should walk or like want to lock
something like that, I don't know.
Well, I think already, if I remember that episode correctly,
a kudos to the actor again, like he had to learn how to do all
that stuff, like in the wheelchair and kudos to whoever
did the choreography because they did incorporate the
wheelchair and really great ways.
Like again showing like you don't need to be able bodied to
like pursue theater. Great message in that episode.
I think it was one of those things were already.
Again this young and doesn't like isn't fully accepting.
The fact that this is permanent. So Tina was trying to be
supportive and like, tell him what he wanted to hear.
That's what that was when she's like, you know, maybe if you try
hard enough maybe like more time, that's what that episode
really, why she was trying to like, be supportive of him
because he wasn't fully accepted of his position.
And at the end he is and it's more like, okay.
This is my life have to deal with that kind of thing, that's
what that episode was about. Yeah.
There's another character who becomes kind of core, but
sideline Mike. Oh my God.
Yeah, Mike. I do, you forgot about him.
Well, he wasn't, he was in a course.
So then once like, we had the core guys, the shoe stalked,
Fin, and then get the football guys on which attracts that
Mike, Mike can't. So Mike, I guess, I guess, I
think Harry was signed to be a dancer, mostly just.
And he was like, he was Heather's category, phenomenal,
dancer. And so, and they make that a
running joke that all He knows how to do is dance and all the
time. I forget over time he he has his
own episode later in season 3, when he's like, hey I'm more of
its Asian, a I think is episode where he's like, hey, I want to
pursue theater and like he's been working on his singing and
he has a song he sings and he just Singing in the Rain with
shoe. I think he sings it.
So, like he worked on saying like, how the Singing in the
Rain mashup. It singing in the rain and And
another song, but it's so good. I love that version of it.
Yeah. So he's another one and what was
the other football players name that came within?
We looked at earlier that? Yeah, Matt got through the most
because again they were there to be like back up nothing.
No really talking kind of like they're like Brittany and
Santana but like the boy version, And so that dates is
what guy singing in the rain umbrella.
That was it? Yeah, so Matt gets a plot line
where he's dating since he's dating Mercedes is his for like
a hot for like a hot minute. And then after that, he's gone,
it has like no more lines. He never sings, you never has a
song and they forget about him so much that they just write
about of the show. So that was him.
So he gets royally screwed and then my expect in season 6.
Thought I'd it's hilarious because they have to address
their issues and their mysterious I think he hasn't he
comes back in a couple episodes in season 6.
That's really funny at the end but like they did nothing with
him and didn't even include him in season 2 and just says that
he transferred schools right there, he's got whatever and
never talk about it again. And then Mike Chang, is there
pretty much since the beginning and like again, he just gets it
as it comes like a token stereotype, but the Asian a
episode and that's the plot line.
And that's And then he dates Tina and that gives Tina
something to do and they don't ever really give them anything
those two characters. But like he does get an
opportunity to sing, like Heather did as Britney.
And he's just such a phenomenal dancer and they just, they
didn't know what to do with that guy at all as a character.
They had too many characters that they so they didn't know
what to do and I get that, it's an ensemble show, but it's the
Lea Michele show. So it's not really an ensemble
show. No it rings.
That's the problem. Was, it was really a subplot
show. Correct.
So if it was truly Ensemble, you would get these characters
involved with other characters plot lines, which is the kind of
what they did in the beginning. But then they abandon that for
like topic centered like, we're going to deal with trans people
today and like again, it didn't, it didn't become less about the
characters themselves. More about Lea Michele getting
her solos and less about like the other characters.
Is so like some characters they just never knew what to do with
and to do anything with them period and they just string them
along like Quinn and my training is another one didn't really do
anything with him. So like one of the bigger people
will that we have on the list, I'm going to save the others.
I'm going to go a little out of order Dave.
Because day, they did more with him towards the end and like,
gave him substance. So, you actually asked me to put
him on the list, so I want to hear your reasoning but like
again, with David's different. So, Dave is a true tertiary
character like a true one versus like your Ensemble and they
treat, they gave him more substance than Tina, who was an
actual core member. That's an issue with the writing
for the show major issue. They give more substance or
tertiary character. I had a date because Dave is
another queer character who goes through a really great place.
At line, it's sad, it's triggering and things like that,
but it's very real and I think was a really important story to
tell especially in Ohio, you know, kind of like red State,
blah, blah, blah, whatever great plot line where he, you know,
he's the bully. He's Kurt's.
Bully in the beginning and it turned, and we get the reasoning
for his fixating on Kurt and trying to like bring him down
all the time and it's the same reason that Santana verbally
abuses. Everybody he is because he's
Projecting onto pert, his own fear about himself, which is
that he's also gay, he's on the football team, which like,
Santana on the Cheerios. Like that's not the environment
where, you know, we're supposed to be or whatever, he's supposed
to be manly and toxic masculinity and all that stuff.
And so he becomes Cruise bully. But then over time, like, Their
relationship involves because he needs help navigating.
His queerness, he comes to terms with it and Kurt's.
The only person he knows in the community.
And so Kurt, despite having this relationship with Davis's bully,
like ends up, helping him navigate his queerness and like
having to terms with who he is and Dave really struggles with
it and his life family, and all that stuff and goes through this
period of like suicide, ideation and attempts to take his own
life, because he, yeah, he attempts to take his own life.
Life and the song playing through his cough syrup and
blazing and it's a great song and superpower.
It's a powerful sequence. It's very triggering.
I don't remember this. I know the song because it plays
but I couldn't. It was an episode that I had to
like not fully watch and not watch more than once, because
it's just, it's too much for me, where I am right now.
So, It's his whole thing and again he does he gets more than
a lot of Tina, he gets more than Tina he does he goes through all
of that and then at the end comes to terms with who he is
makes amends with with Kurt he gets a full freaking story arc
throughout the entire show and Tina gets nothing.
So that's a problem. I have Dave is this is the way
they treat Tina, if you really contrasts that she was super
fucked up, but him as a character, I think he's really
important and they did a great job with him.
Out the whole show. Personally, I love that they
did. And you, you come till you come
to love Dave, right? When you realize that like why
he was doing some doing right? It puts, you know, and I like
that, they did that with some characters that you're like, oh,
that's the villain. But it's like are they a villain
or like let's explain their behavior and explore?
Why they're doing why they're acting like that?
And like you can see why it's a defense mechanism somebody who's
scared and that's usually The Bullying really is it's insecure
people. Lashing out.
That's really what it is and I like that.
They took the time to explore him but the one storyline did
not forget. Yeah.
They kept going a day of fun and I like again you can learn to
love him at the end. You're like oh he's a little
boy. He's really nice guy like once,
he's like being himself. So I thought Dave was an
important character. So, I don't know if sugar was
part of it, but let's talk about how they wanted to make more
money and add more characters that they did not need.
They were just trying to make money.
Okay, go ahead. I don't remember as much of
sugar, so you sugar was one of the.
So basically, they had a contest called the Glee project.
Oh no, we need to start with. Okay, let's just listen to, I
think you are during all of this.
So you talk about that whole thing.
Okay. So those are the characters.
We talked about are ones that were casted into the show, by
normal means. So at the time, we're Glee was
starting to lose its mind, they created again, they were trying
to sell iTunes songs, so we got more of the hippity, hoppity
type of songs as people's plot lines to sell songs and make
money. The other way, they try to make
money was through a reality contest show called the Glee
project. I never watched it, but the
premise really was, is they basically you would come and
audition. To be on the project and then
you would have to like basically come up come as the character
you want to be. I don't think they told any of
the actors auditioning this but you had to basically come as the
character you were going to be and if you won the project, you
get to be on the next season of Glee.
I that was really what was happening here.
So the physician three episode Arc or something like, they
weren't just a lot. Right.
Exactly. And they weren't really promise
anything. But they yeah like you said
they're guaranteed a couple of episodes and this In the next
season. So the first character we get
is, Rory, who's an Irish? Who's Irish the characters
Irish? So again, things, what they work
on, right? But again, what the that was
just the person, the actor. But again they didn't do
anything with the people that came on really, they were just
like you have to create your own characters, basically what it
was. And so the first character is
Rory who's Irish, who comes as the Irish transfer survey, they
literally did absolutely nothing with this.
Character other than point out, the fact that he was Irish.
That was it? That was just flat line.
That's what I'm saying. So there's they put no effort
into like, actually, like, developing them into characters.
There's just like, you, whatever you give us in the Glee project
that is what you're coming. As which is why all of the
characters that came from that were so flat and
one-dimensional, because the writers did nothing with them,
except put them in there, like, okay, give me a character like
So worried disappeared and just whatever, that was the end of
him. He made no impact on the show,
as are you can remove all of his scenes and nothing would change
for the show. Yeah, unfortunately great as it
done. So the actor was done dirty
because like they did nothing with him.
They were just like, well you, you know, they just were trying
to make money and buy franchising.
Reality show did nothing with the actors and like made no
impact on the show was over. Some of the people who were in
the Glee project did come in as. New kids and say, yeah, because
like later on people who are auditioning are like, oh I
understand what this is now because they didn't tell them
that when they won the project that you're single, you get to
be a character for three episodes but they didn't tell
them like you have to do all the work.
It's like making the character anything like, okay, what
character do you want to play? No, they literally gave them
nothing there. Just like basically.
Okay you gave us Irish person. We're going to write, it was an
Irish person. Like they didn't develop them
into character and just watch it just to see what the hell.
It was. I think it's basically like they
were in the choir room and they had to like audition with songs
and stuff and like I don't really know the right, I don't
know if there's any acting component to it, there had to be
but like basically looking out with you, I only competition.
Yeah. I but like basically that was
the audition and so whatever you were auditioning as that was it.
That's what they put in the show.
Like they, they gave those people, nothing.
So for I was the first example of that of them doing nothing
but over time, the contestants caught on to what was happening
and so they were more integrated into the show like unique.
I think unique was one and then. Yes, you need sugar 1/2.
I don't know about sugar. I don't think so.
I think I'll actor. Yeah, I I put sugar, we put both
decide to put sugar on this list just because She can sing, and
they just did not like say but that was her character, though.
Her character was supposed to be spoiled rich.
Girl, who like bought her way onto it, like, so that to be
fair, the actress could do all the things but like that was the
actual character and like the background and stuff.
Oh, I miss. It's an extra voice.
Yeah, she can but she didn't get much more than because they
called her sugar. Motta money, I believe it's like
the money. Yes, that was the Character
exactly it didn't matter. But from the Glee project, the
other characters like Joe, who was so Unforgettable, I always
forget he's in the show like, he's just supposed to I forgot
about that like he's so he was such a nothing.
They did nothing with that care. If he was nothing, he was just
like, I like Jesus. That was his whole personality
that became his personality, and that was it and that was it.
I don't know anything about that character.
So for another does Britney, Britney brings the whole thing
up that and that's clearly being self-aware, being like these
characters were so Unforgettable because the writers did nothing
with them. What the fuck, that's what that
line was. It was terrible.
They have two super, I'm forgetting but that was
happening. Make money off of Glee at the
same time because they were losing their mind.
They were just trying to make a bunch of money off the show.
I want to talk about the new kids a little bit.
Now these are this is my core group of people like this is
what I know. And I was like, great, but also,
I can't even look at one of them anymore, but again, I watch the
puck. Hmm.
That's how I feel about Puck also.
Well, he did it on screen and off and that was a horrible
person. Yeah.
We'll talk about. I didn't know about.
I didn't know who he was until after everything.
He dated and II, he did. Yeah, he had a file but he was
horrible. I did hear about things that
happen but I wasn't. I didn't know what was going on
when it happened. Yeah, that's bad.
Um but I was an abusive relationship between the two of
them. They brought in a bunch of new
kids. They gave them a story lines in
the beginning and then after a while after that triangle, the
love triangle stop. They just forgot about all of
them basically. So, who was the love triangle
for the people? Yeah, they may not be familiar,
Melissa, who, again, Melissa and Marley, they're just like way
too close in my head. So I only say Melissa.
She just say Supergirl because suppose I could always went on
from this fuckery to play Super off and that's really even in
the queer Community. What she's knows what to do a
whole nother episode about Supergirl.
I love it. Again, what I'd probably do.
That are oversized that episodes and I'm just super.
But anyway, that's another. All right, that's a whole
nother. Yeah topic.
But I'm so stupid. Yeah, not time yet.
Caitlin, makes her faves known. It's okay.
No, that is why. We're here you thirsty.
No, it's not so section. It's not time easier.
So the trio was Supergirl and then who were the Jacob and
writer. And Jacob.
Wasn't he like pucks cousin? Ian.
Like they're related. No half-brother.
I believe I forgot. I think they're, they had the no
had to have like the same dad, I think because Yeah, they have
the same dad and then the one dad the moms and the sun's got
together and had a family dinner, which I thought was
actually pretty cute. It was a, it was a human.
Yeah, again, cute. But yeah.
Okay. So Jacob supposed to be
replacement for Puck and Finn writer is Sam /, Finn.
Yeah. I guess so maybe because he's
supposed to be like the unassuming like and then Jacob
has the Bad Boys streak. Yes, I guess Riders would be
like, I don't know, whatever, but that's the love triangle
that supposed to replace Rachel and when Finn and Quinn and Puck
and everybody that ended up in that Spirit, right?
That's the other new kids are still there, but it's just the
three of them. And then there's Kitty, who is
trying to make, isn't she the Quinn knocking?
Yes, she's the Quinn. Okay.
When Santana, but mostly just Quinn because she's obsessed
with Quinn and you see this in an episode, when the older
killed kids come back and they're like mentors for the new
kids and kitty is so obsessed with Quinn.
So it's a little on the nose there.
They actually do pair them up with their they do.
I don't think how to box Marley gets paired up with Rachel good
but they do get paired up with counterparts so like that's a
lizard very on the nose here, lazy writing so Kitty like makes
Marley think that she is gaining a lot of weight, which Marley's
mom is the lunch lady and she is extremely overweight and that
whole thing I mean not despite like not even talked about like
I know I had like my own issues with it but just how messed up
that was that everybody all the characters forgot themselves in
the beginning of four as well and was just like making fun of
her and not realizing Seeing no one knew that Marley was her
daughter so they're making fun of her right in front of Marley
and that whole storyline like it just it hurt because they were
poor. So Marley had to get tags sewn
in her clothes that so her mom just one of the best for her.
She's like don't tell anyone that that I'm your mom.
I went I don't want this school to be bad for you.
So it's just I love the story lines that Marley was given just
because she was given substance at the beginning.
But then they literally just forgot about everyone and then
in the middle of season 5 was just like yep, you're done.
And it's just it angers me so much because those were my
people they didn't even say goodbye to them.
They gave us a year and nothing. Nothing.
And then there was some really great things.
And really great pair UPS. So I have a another video and
this is Marley and unique. The videos, not like great
quality but I just wanted to show there.
How much Marley cares about people and the Melissa, and Alex
Newell who plays unique Wade in the show, their friends out in
real life, too. So it's always like the people
who get close on the outside, you can tell they become close.
In the show. So, again, the actors just kids
like, oh, they actually like each other.
We don't have to worry about. I'm an animosity here.
Look, it's not a stretch putting those two as friends.
Let's do that. Mount unique storyline that did
go on for a while because it started with that one.
Yeah, regionals or Nationals I've ever gets, I don't know.
Sad one point. They didn't go to Nationals and
National and I know, I can't keep all that straight season
for the one year was store and half of 5.
Yeah. And it was really weird.
Yep. Yep.
He's really confused when I started the show again, because
a year. Was a year and a half when I
watched it. It's just, it's very confusing.
Yes, but a lot of people were telling unique to be themselves
and then Marley and that friendship just really unique
became her own and confident and you saw that confidence and I
think that was really important to be shown a trade for those
who may not. Remember, who unique is, who is
unique oh, you're asking me so unique, we keep saying, unique
but Wade, unique is kind of Wade's like not alter ego but
kind of like that because Wade Is told to only be weighed in
the beginning. So Jesse I believe is like
running. Whatever the Rival Glee Club is
vocal adrenaline. Thank you.
And Wade is there is basically the lead of that and he wants to
be unique as a like the person wear dresses be feminine and I
believe it's I think it was Tina and already two of the new
directions, got way to be unique and because that's who she
wanted to be. And she went out there and at
one point Jesse's like screaming for her to get off the stage.
So that was our introduction to her really and then the season
for Wade unique came into new directions.
It's yeah, yeah. It's really this whole world
basically transferring schools. Yes.
And then we get more back story and more character growth and
then to make ends up being pivotal in be storyline of
accepting himself. So, unique is like the first
trans character. Yes, yes, this is right.
Yeah, and yeah. Beast is in there.
I think I would say that unique is more fluid.
Okay, I wasn't sure. I haven't seen that.
I haven't seen the whole. I have seen in a little while
and I don't, I don't fully know because I did go back and forth
from way to Unique was more consistent later.
But Brigade wasn't like a Race. So I think it was more of a non
binary situation. Yeah.
But using all parents because Alex Newell Themselves, like
they use, I believe they use all pronouns.
So I think that's with our kind of emulating their God, I gotta
get it which is great. Again, very again unique.
At the time I was just a little too on the nose with the name.
Just say Yes again, Glee lost its mind, but the message and
that character was very important period and huge at the
time that it was broadcasting on TV.
So, yeah, very important character at that.
They brought to the front as, like, a quick as the queer
representation in the new group because you had Santana, is
gone, Kurt is really gone. Blaming every lane is kind of
there, but like, that was a new flavor of queerness that came to
the new directions. Basically, lets you think it was
a Yeah. They were doing a lot of talking
storylines but I think those storylines especially at that
time and you know if they get it on Fox go ahead it's like put as
much diversity on that platform as possible.
Yeah, the I think that's what they were going to but they
would do stuff and then like forget about it the next episode
which was my problem. There's no continuity with any
of it. But yeah.
Anything else about any other new characters?
Did you want to get into the triangle?
Did you want to get into any other new characters?
Well, the only new character that I really ever think about
is Melissa. And that's my next sex.
That's my last section. So okay.
So we're going back to Melissa, okay?
Like he took a break and then we're going back to Marley.
Okay. So who is Marley and like why do
you love Marley? What do you have?
Well, It's not even. Just Marley is just Melissa,
it's an actress in person but I know I love her voice.
But do you have anything else for the show and that you want
to talk about? Now things because this section
is called Caitlin, just wants to scream about Melissa.
So we saved it for the end. Go ahead.
Scream about Melissa have a video that.
All right. Yeah, do it.
Because the oars always saying that it's our podcast and we can
do whatever we want. So, I made the other strand.
This is are doing is already doing this one's called dust
vocal moments of Melissa Benoist on Glee.
I guess we should have talked about beast real quick, what
coach beiste? Oh yeah we did touch on it a
little bit but yeah. Okay let's let's back up maybe
before we jump into, it is pretty wet Belleza.
Yeah. Sorry.
Last like I think character worth mentioning is he Yes.
He's he's I like and hate it at the same time because Beast
Let's be slow lesbian in the show.
I don't know. They portrayed her as straight
ugly woman that was gonna start. I was awful.
No. It her storyline was awful in
the beginning. Yeah, they were just like oh
she's a manly looking woman and just constantly made fun of her
again, just like the writers just parading people on their
looks that she became the butt of all those jokes and she was
the football coach. Who took over for the other
football coach, who I think was a pedophile or some shit.
And so she took over I'm pretty sure it was something like that,
I don't know. Whatever it these became the
coach right Beach. Became the coast female coach
coaching male football. So she had to like beat off and
like get their respect and all the stuff she just became the
butt of all the ugly. She looks like a beast.
Hence the name like the writers are just mean to her.
And then eventually she got the plotline of.
I didn't watch any of this. I just know you can fill in here
at the trans storyline. I think this will happen.
So well, at one point, I just wanted to mention their
storyline a little bit and at one point I don't know if it was
just a boy from her, she was married to a guy and she was
getting physically abused and they had a storyline about that
and That like it. Yeah, obviously very happy.
Yeah, that did happen. Yeah.
I just want to at least touch on because we've been touching on
all the important things that happened for characters.
I don't really know how it starts because again, it's okay.
Just. This is Stephen was the just
what was the journey was basically.
Unique notices that Beast is not comfortable as who she is.
And I think eventually she does admit that that she's trans and
that she wouldn't steer transition.
And I think it was also really important because she was
already established in the show. I don't really know what pronoun
to use right now. I guess I should use he, I don't
know. Where is he?
Or they? I honestly don't know, but well,
I know that he goes by, he knew making no.
Um, got it Beast. So like but talking about Beast
before transition I always forget like what pronouns you're
supposed to use. I just stick with he Yeah, I'll
stick with you ever just a cookie.
Yeah. Not where I was unique notices.
That peace is not comfortable in his skin.
Yeah. And he just okay.
I know I was going because he was already established in the
school so it's not like he's coming in to a new place and
being himself. He has to transition with people
already knowing who he is. And I mean again that's
everybody in life who transitions?
I can't really speak for them. I only know what I've talked.
People about, but that's so difficult.
So having unique there to help him through it.
And we saw a little bit unique gathers as trans choir just to
sing and then Beast ends up going up there and joining them.
And it's just such a powerful moment of not only him accepting
himself but just, you see, everyone being accepting and I
don't know if there's any, I mean, there's probably a joke or
two because it's Glee, but I've like that.
Some of these moments were more serious because it is a serious
topic and it just Make sure to. Give the audience, a feel of
how. Much that this means to these
characters. But I think that hits more from
Beast because Beast wasn't established character.
Like you're saying, not just like a fixture in the school,
but like we've had time with this character.
We watched this character, go through stuff and then coming
into their own coming into their Community.
It's not like a token plot line for that care.
Whereas, they like, like they had a character that came in who
was like an actual actor, whose wheelchair-bound actor who had a
whole episode And then we just forget about this person, the
next that's more, that's what I mean by token e.
Like they would bring people into have an episode about a
topic and they never mention that topic, ever again, and
later. Contradict the topic versus
here, like this is an actual character who was established
went through some stuff. And this is more Ensemble e
sounding like to meet where you had unique, their paths meet and
they have, they tackle this topic together and form,
solidarity Community, that's what Glee was supposed to be
about before it lost. It, really lost its mind.
So that seems more like a, this is what Glee is really about
type of episode and a plentiful are some things where they were
trying to get back to the original but like overarching is
dependent. It depended on who wrote the
episode, that's the thing that really go back and watch, who
wrote the episodes. There were some writers who are
more consistent about keeping Glee Glee and then the other
ones who just went off the rails.
Like it's actually that's, that's why it's so disjointed.
I don't think these writers really talking to someone just
someone had those done analysis of the writers, I'm like
flatlines at somewhere. There's listen to recovering
Gleek podcast. That's why I'm getting a lot of
this from like it went back and looked at who wrote and was like
This is why it feels like that. It was really depend on who
wrote the episode okay like that includes need to clean also also
no actually no Glee wiki exists. So back Lee was so big.
It had its own like the one of the first to have its own Wiki.
If you go it still exists. So like if you go look at Glee
wiki and really want to know about all this, it has all of
these tidbits in it like documented who wrote what that
kind of stuff and if you go back and look the episodes it should
be no more lucky but yeah this is one of the first like again
this was novel at the Time it didn't exist.
This was one of the first and like all the lore of Glee is
really in this wiki page things. You really can't find anywhere
else. But yeah, the continuity of the
show. It depends on who wrote the
episode, like the, I swear these writers didn't talk to each
other. That's why.
I like they would contradict episodes would contradict each
other. And if you go look and written
by different people, Yeah, it was a mess.
So this feels like, oh, gee writer?
Because I overtime to like the OG writers think there's only
two, but Brian Murphy and somebody else who like, were
there the whole time? Yeah, it just yeah it lost its
mind and it was just really the episode tone depending on who
wrote it, really it was very disjointed.
I mean it was a disjointed show and cast and crew, so but I
mean, if you go look at season one, The Original season one, it
was not like that. This was an evolution of them
getting too big, too powerful too quickly and trying to just
make a bunch of money off of it and they lost sight of what the
show was and you can really see it.
Like that's why if you start it for like you did and then go
back and watch season 1. It's like watching two different
shows because it was something completely different at that
time. It forgot what it was.
It's what is the which is my frustration with the show and
why ultimately I stopped watching it and didn't I never
finished the I will never finish it because it just it wasn't
Glee anymore like it was something completely different
and just that's not what I was watching.
Not what I want to watch really. Do not know what sucks is that
like there there's season 1 through 3 their season 4 and 5
and then they're six know exactly.
That is how Glee is broken up yet?
It's just Glee is like Seasons. Like I'd be like the fall of
Rome like this kind of its own thing because everyone goes to
New. Can they get rid of everybody?
It's really weird. It's a hot mess but there were
things to treasure from the show, which is why we're here.
This is why there was a Renaissance about it which is
why I like people are still talking about it.
Now there's more of a people how to talk because onic things
especially with cuz like slime. But seriously, like it was the
show that was talked at like this was the most watched
television show when it was airing like seasons one through
three like there are stats on, it is the most, it was the most
watched television and people never watched it.
I don't know how you missed it to be honest, maybe we're too
young at the time, but like it was got conversations going
globally and like so talk of and then would it end, it was so bad
at the end. Nobody talked about this show
anyway. It became the thing globally
that everyone was watching to. Nobody talked about this.
It was like the ending of Game of Thrones, once it ended,
nobody talked about it anymore. It was like the thing.
Everybody was watching, but it was so bad.
Nobody talks about it anymore. After the coffee cup, I've just
never heard of Game of Thrones again.
It just died but like that's what happened to Glee to, you
know. So during the pandemic there was
a Resurgence about people talking about it again.
It was mostly people who were like, I was so traumatized by
the show because of the way it just like blew up.
And so it's worth talking about but that because there were
moments in there and plot lines and characters who were super
important who were so iconic that we're still talking about
it now. Even though it just, it was a
dumpster fire at the end. Truly.
So Caitlin, would you like to take it away and And yell and
scream about your fav as we wrap this up.
So it up. I just love her.
She's just so gracious. Such a great actress.
She is. She's just always so happy and I
love her and she's so cute. And now I'm done.
All right. Well, thank you for coming along
on this trip down memory lane. As we resisted the good bad and
in between of the show Glee, if you guys had a favorite
character, favorite moment, favorite song Please share with
us because I would love to know. There's so many good moments,
I'm sure we missed missed some in our recap.
Now, we just did this off the cuff of our memories but yeah,
so share with us anything we missed at least to me about this
because I will talk about this for Hours.
Can you tell us calebs Kalin specialty?
The size? Watch the show like three times
in a row and the first time Lissa I was going through my
glee phase very late in life. Okay, Caitlin was here for the
Renaissance. I'm an OG, it's never too late
to watch Glee and be a Glee fan, just understand what you're
getting yourself into because of the history of Glee, which we
covered in a totem in this show. So, Hydration hydration shell
time. Okay, now that we've gone
through, we've gone through Glee, how many weeks has it been
to in a while we forgot to do this shush, Kaitlyn so bad so
he's going through ugly in its entirety.
So, On our hydration scale. How much water would you hydrate
for lesbian Cheese's for Glee? The telephone all of Glee, all
of Glee? I mean you can break it up
however you want but this is just Glee.
The project not not Glee the project.
No, not the not the gleep ACT me the TV show.
Way too many clarifications. I'm sorry I'm giving it an
eight. That's good.
Please gets an 8. Remember, but if you watched all
epis Parts while, you know why? Yeah.
No, I would have to give it damn.
Usually, I'm the low Raider, but it's so, I want to give it a 7.
No, I want to give it a six. Overall, it gets a six or me,
like, for everything we talked about most of those come from
Britannica and like, Kurt and Blaine and like, all the queer
representation and like, the first three seasons, I'm gonna
post something out real quick. The way it lost its mind, I
can't give it too much as a, whole, if you've been watching
this whole time as well, you notice that the or adjusted for
10, but it's not 1 cid-42. Anna throughout filming because
I just told her that that was not the shit.
I can't pronounce words. If you've been watching us this
long, that's not surprising. Yeah, but if I it, but if I had
that ship though, gets a 10 for me like the ship itself, gets a
10 and like Kurt, like, the queer representation, from the
first three seasons for me, gets a 10 like them.
Brittany Santana. Kurt Blaine Kurt's dad.
Oh, yeah. Rachel's dad's.
Like overall, the queer representation for me, gets a 10
from the first three seasons. But I overall, I can't, I can't
hear some stuff. You can't discredit though.
In the last three. I agree.
It just for me, the last two, please, the fun.
But, yeah, I think clear representation, I give it a 10
as a show, personally, but the show.
It's, I I watched Glee the Star Wars edition.
Oh, yeah, that's it. Excites.
And then one, two, three, you did, you did, holy shit.
Yeah, you did. You went back and watch the
prequel. Wait a minute does Glee the Star
Wars edition actually? No I was thinking of something
else. Ignore me.
But you did you washed it in Star Wars fashion?
Yeah. It's if if anybody else watched
it like I did, I highly doubt it but maybe super girlfriends.
There were some who did it like that.
Let me know make me not feel alone.
Seriously. Let us know if you're on
Kaitlin's. Hours watching for Glee.
You have a whole different perspective of the show.
Oh yeah. But hey that was Glee Glee was a
thing Glee was we had its good moments and bad moments but we
had a lot of fun with it and this was overall it has to my
heart. All right, thanks for joining
us. We'll see you next time.
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